Consider this a spin-off of the X-thread (http://freedomreborn.net/archive/index.php?topic=44997.0)courtesy of Murs.
Tis close to Christmas so Happy Holidays to all of you. New forum, new thread, and I guess, according to murs, we could condense this into a general Marvel thread. If you don't agree, let me know and blame Murs. :P. It's not a heavy X-week and I wasn't planning to review anything else until next year, but there's only one main universe X-book and I think I can take it. So, let's jump in and start this off.
Wolverine Origins #31:
For the last few issues, the book has been in a minor crossover with X-men: Legacy to help flesh out Daken and Wolverine's history, to alleviate Xavier of his retconned guilt, and to expand on Ms. Sinister and her new partnership with Shaw. As I said in the original X-thread, it's a perfectly good read and since the trades come out in January, I urge you to check it out even if you don't like Daniel Way, Legacy, Daken, or Wolverine. It's a solid read and you don't need to know anything about Daken, Wolverine: Origins, or Legacy to read it.
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The book picks directly off from where Original Sin left off. The Father-Son duo are tracking down Romulus and they find themselves in Africa. Daken reveals that the more violence and blood spilled, the more likely they are to find Romulus. They head into a village and eventually come across another person who was manipulated by Romulus, Cyber. Cyber wants some information out of Daken as he too is tracking Romulus, but Daken refuses to divulge it to him. During that night, Wolverine comes up with a plan to use information he gained earlier in the series to his advantage and it involves him getting shot a lot. Skip to the future and Wolverine is shot down by Cyber's men and is out for awhile as Daken sneaks into his stronghold and ties him up in chain. The book ends on a major twist...instead of Logan getting the upperhand over Cyber, Cyber gets the upperhand over him. Daken strikes again.
This was a very quick read. It was ok, but I feel a little let down after Original Sin. I'm not sure why exactly, but I think it's because of the dynamic between Logan and Daken. It's just a bit weird for me. It's a 2.5-3 worthy book for me. I am glad to see that Daken isn't completely smitten with Wolverine and that there's some obvious tension. Other than that, I got nothing much to say about the book.
Ultimatum #2:
Last issue, a flood broke out and took out most of New York and other parts of the world. People died, latveria froze, and angst was at an all time high. In UFF, Reed attacked Namor and took off to find help and Ben joined up with the mole man. In UXM, Rogue rejoined Vindicator and went out to get her own revenge as the original class of X-men headed off to kill Magneto. In Spider-man...well...that tie in begins today and I haven't read it, but we now know how Gwen got back.
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The book opens with Spider-man helping the trapped/hurt civilians in a now unflooded NY. He also seems to know that Magneto started the flood though thanks to a projection Xavier casted in issue 1. In fact, everyone seems to know at this point, so apparently Xavier got a power push or something since he communicated to a whole bunch of people at one time. Over with the Avengers, Jan is missing and Hank + Hawkeye are looking for her. Meanwhile, Captain America is unconscious and Tony takes him to SHIELD to get help before attempting to head off and deal with Magneto. With the fan4, Ben is still watching over Susan and her powers seem to be malfunctioning as they focus on Ben and actually attack him...which leaves him flying through a wall and left hanging for his life. Flash over to Reed, he's still carrying around an unconscious Namor and accusing him of starting the flood even though Xavier told him it was Magneto. He eventually comes face to face with Doom + Zarda who tell him that they need to go to the Squadron universe and retrieve Nick Fury.
Skip on over to Thor who's looking for his love'r', Valkryie. He finds her lying dead on the cement and he just won't let that be the end of her, so he summons Hela, mistress of the dead. He wants her to restore the soul of Valkryie and she agrees...if Thor can defeat her undead minions. This won't be a problem because for some odd reson, Capt is there to lend a hand! Flash back over to Hank and Hawkeye, Clint thinks he sees something and runs off. What he sees is pretty gruesome—it's a dead Jan being eaten by The Blob. Scene shift to the X-mansion, all the X-men are apparently out of the mansion now and Magneto and Xavier are sharing words. Things get very intense and Xavier compares Magneto to Hitler. This shocks Magneto and...he snaps Xavier's neck. Xavier won't be getting in his way anymore. End.
Um...this book played to a lot of twists and shocks. Some were disturbing and some things didn't really make sense. For example, in UXM and Ultimatum #1, there were several X-men left at the mansion, this issue they're nowhere around. I suppose that'll make sense in the next UXM issue since some religious zealots did attack the school, but Xavier seemed too nonchalant about it. I don't know, it's like I said before...all the different tones is making it hard to judge this event. This issue was ok...but without all the twists and all the plot jumping around, you'd easily realize that not a lot progressed and that Loeb just glossed over explaining some stuff he should have...and I'm sorry, but that Jan scene was disturbing. 2.5 out of 5. The art was very nice for the most part, so those extra points are for Finch's work. Oh, Death Count this issue...3
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1. Valkryie who'll probably be revived (which raises other questions about Ultimates 3 regarding Wanda and Pietro)
2. Jan
3. Xavier
And there ya go...let the reviews pour in if you got anything.
I thought Ultimatum was utter trash and I really want my 3.99 back. I mean oh my god was it bad. The deaths were stupid. I am really hating actual God of Thunder, Thor (why couldn't he stay just a crazy guy with a hammer). And the deaths, my God what a cheap way to shock the reader especially the whole people getting eaten.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on December 25, 2008, 02:11:32 AM
I thought Ultimatum was utter trash and I really want my 3.99 back. I mean oh my god was it bad. The deaths were stupid. I am really hating actual God of Thunder, Thor (why couldn't he stay just a crazy guy with a hammer). And the deaths, my God what a cheap way to shock the reader especially the whole people getting eaten.
This...I agree with. I still think it's "2" worthy as there's some entertainment value in it if you don't think about it at all and the art was pretty good, but other than the shock value...it has nothing going for it. I mean, Magneto got a major power boost to do what he did, Spider-man's appearance amounted to nothing, and if Maggie could do what he did at the end of the issue so easily, then why did he have so much trouble with the X-men in the first place? Not to mention Reed's deadset mindset that Namor tried to hurt Susan...a lot of it just didn't add up.
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New Avengers #48:
Look, I'm branching out...and the book includes Wolverine so it still has ties to the old X-thread requirement. Hey, hey, hey. Fresh off the heels of Secret Invasion, the book finally returns to being a team book and not a partial backstory fill out. The team is BACK in action and this book is said to touch on quite a few open danglers that SI #8 should've touched on, but left open. It's no secret that I don't think highly of SI, but maybe Bendis can make me like him again as I do think he works better on a smaller scale where his decisions don't change the course of the entire [Marvel] universe.
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The book opens to sometime after the Janet thing in SI#8. The New Avengers all agree to meet up at Cap's place and basically go over what happened. A lot of talking goes on and we got a few minor progressions on things that'll be front and center in upcoming books such as Bobbi and Clint's relationship. Eventually Luke, Jessica, and Carol arrive in Cap's house and they're upset. The baby is missing and they can find no signs of it. A distraught Luke asks everyone to help him out and we get a team shot...before a scene shift. Kind of awkward.
The team arrives at Baxter building and asks them to help skope out Skrullvis. They find nothing, so Logan, who seems to have taken on the leader role, suggests they hit up some villains who are known to hide people for the right price. They search several villains and get nothing. They eventually come across a bar with a bunch of Shield agents celebrating the end of Shield as they refuse to work for brillopad head/ex Green Goblin, Norman Osbourne. Logan points out a single agent and it's revealed to be a skrull in hiding. The whole bar points a gun at her and Jessica pleads with them to stop. The skrull tries to escape and Luke tackles it. They fight a bit and Jessica finally gets it to talk. Just as she's about to get the info she wants, a SHIELD agent shoots it dead. Luke and Jessica break down.
The book ends on a twist. Luke goes to someone for help to find his kid. He's willing to do anything at this point. The voice asks Luke if he'd be willing to sign with him and Luke agrees. The deal is made...Norman Osbourne will find the kid! SHOCK! End.
I was actually impressed by the book. It touched on a lot of things and revealed that people still remember Norman as the GG...but it doesn't explain why they would put him in a governmental position so easily and quickly. Several of the Avengers get a story push, and oddly, Logan seems to be shown as a leader more and more these days. My only problem is that I don't recall Bucky doing much at all...in fact, I don't remember Spidey doing all that much either. Also of note, a certain comment Spidey made about Bucky seemed a little off to me, but I'm probably over thinking it. 3.5 out of 5.
Quote from: Previsionary on December 25, 2008, 02:51:48 AM
This...I agree with. I still think it's "2" worthy as there's some entertainment value in it if you don't think about it at all and the art was pretty good, but other than the shock value...it has nothing going for it. I mean, Magneto got a major power boost to do what he did, Spider-man's appearance amounted to nothing, and if Maggie could do what he did at the end of the issue so easily, then why did he have so much trouble with the X-men in the first place? Not to mention Reed's deadset mindset that Namor tried to hurt Susan...a lot of it just didn't add up.
I thought the power boost was because of Thor's hammer?
I agree with you on New Avengers. I liked the previous two teams but this team works well and finding the baby works really well for me. The ending actually had me sort of shocked.
I believe it is, but it's still a pretty major one, imo. I'd think a major rise in power like that with no practice or build up would be more hazardous than, "get what you want on the first try!". That hammer deal is another issue for me as I don't know why it'd provide him with said power boost. A lot of details surrounding it escape me, but I don't think Magneto would be deemed worthy to control or even manipulate that hammer. So...it raises more questions for me and I hope it's actually explained in the book and not months down the line.
Quote from: Previsionary on December 25, 2008, 03:42:50 AM
I believe it is, but it's still a pretty major one, imo. I'd think a major rise in power like that with no practice or build up would be more hazardous than, "get what you want on the first try!". That hammer deal is another issue for me as I don't know why it'd provide him with said power boost. A lot of details surrounding it escape me, but I don't think Magneto would be deemed worthy to control or even manipulate that hammer. So...it raises more questions for me and I hope it's actually explained in the book and not months down the line.
I didn't think there was the worthiness spell on this hammer. Also what happened to Thor? His hammer and costume changes and we are told why? Was his awesome costume before just illusion? There are so many plot holes in this universe lately.
Ultimatum makes Rulk look good. There, I said.
this is why i dont collect comics anymore.i do buy the new thor books but thats it.the powers at marvel have destroyed the spirit of the marvel universe.i guess all the stories in the last couple years have been shots in the dark and drawing straws.writers are running out of GOOD ideas.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on December 25, 2008, 04:39:04 AM
I didn't think there was the worthiness spell on this hammer. Also what happened to Thor? His hammer and costume changes and we are told why? Was his awesome costume before just illusion? There are so many plot holes in this universe lately.
*shrugs* I expect plot holes and tons of errors from Loeb, so THAT'S not surprising. I mean, he did retcon the savage lands to tie it into Wanda's powers for no particular reason at all. As for the hammer, that's my point. Nothing about it has really been explained and nothing about Magneto and his plan has been built up to. I just hope it's all laid out somewhere "soonish" because if anyone can wield Thor's hammer that happens to be able to control magnetism (like Maggie and Lorna) or happens to be a "god"/"asgardian" (Valkyrie?), then it should be told before this event ends and not after in an annual. In fact, what Magneto did and how he did it so effectively and effortlessly should be shown either in UXM or Ultimatum before the finale of this "event", imo.
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Quote from: herodad1 on December 26, 2008, 04:23:27 PM
this is why i dont collect comics anymore.i do buy the new thor books but thats it.the powers at marvel have destroyed the spirit of the marvel universe.i guess all the stories in the last couple years have been shots in the dark and drawing straws.writers are running out of GOOD ideas.
Appreciate your contribution to the thread, but I really want to avoid this becoming a bashing thread. Especially when you're critiquing the whole universe when
GOOD stories are right within reach if you go looking for them and try something new. It's horrible, imo, that so many people bash the entire universe and its collective writers when there are awesome writers out there releasing great stuff but aren't getting noticed. Since I'm very partial to writing and they get the harder time and the sullied reputations, I'm just gonna stick up for them in this instance and say, "No, not all the writers have run out of great ideas, some people just blindly accuse the whole line of being worthless because they haven't experienced the writers or stories yet." Now, if it doesn't
APPEAL to you, that's a different complaint and doesn't mean you throw down the whole line with the exclusion of what you read and liked. That's my opinion, of course. Feel free to disagree and such. ^^
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She-Hulk #36:
It really bothers me that this book is being canceled as I have been enjoying the ride. She-hulk isn't like most female heroes and it's sad that Marvel doesn't have a lot of female solo/team books. At least DC has two or so female oriented books that aren't lovey dovey, Marvel doesn't now that Spider-girl and She-hulk are being canceled again. Anyway, for the last few issues, She-hulk and the Lady liberators have joined up to help a bunch of people in Marinmer who need aid but aren't receiving it. The basic thinking is that if the women heroes do it, the government and higher profiled male heroes will also be shamed into being more helpful. Does it work out the way Shulkie planned? Are you serious...this is Jennifer Walters, of COURSE not!
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Picking up where last issue left off, She-hulk is escorted to the president's mansion where she wonders why evil people seem to live in better places than she does. She's constantly told that he's a big fan of her and she finally comes face to face with him in his office where they "calmly" discuss how the president treats his people. As the discussion gets heavy, Susan is revealed to be in the room as she plops onto the floor unconscious. Seconds later, She-hulk is fated to a similar circumstance. That president is one tricky fellow.
Over with Valkyrie and Red Guardian, a civilian basically breaks down and begins to question her fate in "god". This prompts a very interesting scene between the female civie, Valkyrie, and Red Guardian over their choices, their loyalties and beliefs in "gods", and the paths they chose.
Back with Jenn, she awakens on a bed in her human form as the president stands over he. He wants to have his way with her, but that won't happen as Jazinda bursts into the room, in disguised form, and almost kills the president, but Jenn refuses.
The book ends on a semi-happy note. The president is removed from power thanks to Jenn and Jazinda's plan which I won't go into, A new president is appointed, and Jennifer returns home only to get a knock on her door...she's being arrested for crossing international borders!
I skipped a few good tibits in my review because I didn't really feel like writing, but I have a quota to meet, holiday or not, darn it! It's a good read and some interesting stuff went on, but a certain segment bothered me which I'll detail below as an afterword or some such. Some interesting developments took place within the book between Sue and Jenn and Jenn having to struggle with morality is good stuff. The other Liberators did very little and Thundra, after a few big appearances in the other issues, didn't even share a word this issue. In fact, I don't remember seeing her at all outside of the cover and summary page...well, at least she was in Red Hulk...*explodes*. This book is a 3 for me. I gotta say that I liked the ending a lot. The way they dealt with the Pres. was pretty unique.
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AFTERWORD:
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My problem with this book happens directly in the middle of the issue. It bothers me when male characters...male villains always do things to the women heroes that no female villain, or even male villain, would do to a male superhero. Considering the theme of this particular arc was based around women empowerment and shaming men, it's a little odd that the president was very close to actually raping She-Hulk and this was what made her question her morals on whether to let the guy live or not. I understand the point of it...but I think there could have been a better way to reach it outside of making the president a completely unlikable person that was willing to harm and humiliate a female counterpart of the Hulk. Why couldn't she gotten to this conclusion from the president being dead-set in his ways and treating the people he was governing like pawns. Maybe it's not as powerful, but the same point could have come across.
Maybe it's me, but I don't find writers relying on defiling characters, attempted or not, as a way to make female heroes question things or to find renewed strength all that great. It can work, but it's too overdone and you never see the male superheroes being thrown to this level. It's a clutch...a disturbing clutch and unless writers are going to even the field and put a male hero through something like that and stop making it exclusive to women, I don't want to see it used as a story prop to get a particular emotion anymore this year...or next year!
And that's it...discuss? Disagree? Agree? No opinion? Ok then.
Thor 12: So it's confirmed:
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Loki is in Sif's body. And I've got to re-evaluate my dislike of Fem-Loki - being female is definitely part of his own plans, and not some sort of "punishment" as it was first presented.
I like that we've made this a general Marvel thread. Seems like a good move. I read Nova this week, but Christmas has obliterated the details. It was pretty good though.
I read New Avengers, finally. :blink: It was a good issue, the ending was great. And I agree, the direction it's going in is promising.
What else did I finally read...I'll get back to that later. :unsure:
Latest She Hulk.
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Umm.... Rulk took Thundra because she was the only one willing to kill him. Did he not remember that Valykrie stabbed him through the chest the issue right before this?
Quote from: thanoson on January 01, 2009, 08:26:57 PM
Latest She Hulk. Spoiler
Umm.... Rulk took Thundra because she was the only one willing to kill him. Did he not remember that Valykrie stabbed him through the chest the issue right before this?
That happened in Hulk, not Shehulk. Also, you're talking about Loeb...continuity isn't his strong point as of late. *points to Ultimatum, Ultimates V3, and Heroes*
Oops. You're right. Still, it was the last issue.
I read some X-books this week:
X-Force 10:
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Ghost Rider tells Warpath that he's connected to Indian shamans and can hurt the Demon Bear by tapping into them. They fight the Demon Bear and realize that it has a mystical blade stuck in it. Removing the blade Warpath discovers that the Demon Bear is actually his Apache spirit guides who were driven mad by the wound but are now healed. The originator of this problem is Eli Bard (mystery guy from the first arc) who has apparently dug up John Proudstar and the rest of the Apache's and made things personal for Warpath, and he realizes why he has to be on this team.
The Right attacks X-Force. X-23 has the vial of Legacy Virus but is attacked and the vial breaks inside of her. Infected she runs to dive into some super heated liquid and destroy the virus and accomplish their mission. Elixir runs after her and convinces her not to kill herself. Together with her healing factor they're able to cure the virus. Thus Elixir realizes why he needs to be on this team.
We find out that the person Wolfsbane saw outside was the wolf prince Hrimhari from Asgard who's been looking for her (and I totally needed the internet to figure out who he was).
Cameron Hodge meets with Bastion to inform him they failed to retrieve the virus in Japan. But they did get three other samples of the virus from Sinister's other labs. So just like the first arc even when the bad guys lose they win - just the way I like it (yes Podmark roots for the bad guys in X-Force :cool: )
Anyways it's a pretty great issue. Art is great, and the scenes with Josh and Laura are just prefect. My biggest complaints would be:
a. we barely see the fight with the Right
b. I had no idea who Hrimhari was until I looked it up - and I've read his first appearance. I'm sure it'll be explained in the next issue but it was a little too obscure to not be elaborated on even for me.
c. I wasn't huge on the Warpath plot. I'm not a big magic fan and this was a very spiritual fight.
I give this issue a solid 4/5 of the prev-o-meter.
I also read Young X-Men #9
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New female character Cipher takes Ink on an X-Jet to help the Young X-Men against the "Y-Men". Cipher won't tell us who she is or anything about her (which actually pretty annoying). They meet with the tattoo mutant and Ink makes him give him some new tattoos.
The Young X-Men fight the army of tattoo empowered Y-Men, there's over a hundred of them but really the X-Men are doing pretty decent against them. Dust is trying to get Dani out of the battle since she was shot but they're attacked by one of the Y-Men. Ink arrives and saves them. He then reveals one of his new tattoos the caduceus giving him the power to heal by touch. He then uses his other new tattoo - the phoenix symbol over the eye - to use an imitation Phoenix Force to take away the powers of the Y-Men.
See the way the tattoo mutant works is he imbues whatever image he makes with whatever ability he wants when he makes it. So Ink told him to give him Phoenix powers so he could be all powerful and stop all 100+ Y-Men. However, this mutant apparently has to keep all of them powered by his will so when Ink summoned the Phoenix Force it put him in a coma. Ink will retain his powers until the mutant wakes up (which is pretty contrieved).
So Cyclops, Dani, and Berto agree Ink needs to stay on the team if for no other reason than they need to keep an eye on him. Greymalkin decides to make friends with Ink and Ink asks him who the 'heck' Cipher is.
So for those of you keeping track Ink has the following powers: radiation, flight, telepathy, super-strength, healing, and access to a fake Phoenix Force. Guggenheim likes this character too much.
Anyway I enjoyed the issue but it has it's problems. Pencils are pretty good, not Choi good but I see a lot of potential in Sandoval. On the otherhand I don't like the coluorist on this book, it didn't bother me much this issue but it's been too drab since the beginning. The timing of this book makes no sense: Ink meets Cipher in San Fran after the Y-Men fight has started. They go onto a jet, then travel to La Jolla to the mutant's home then force him to his tattoo parlor, then get two tattoos, then go to the paintball arena where the battle is in time to save Dani. It's just not possible. Also the mystery character thing is probably been used too much in this book. Four X-Men fighting 100+ Y-Men probably doesn't make any logical sense either but I actually enjoyed seeing Anole, Rockslide, and Sunspot easily holding off their foes.
I'll give this issue a 2.5/3 on the prev-o-meter. I did enjoy it, and the art is decent but it certainly has it's problems.
Also I think Cipher is:
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Some kind of construct of the Danger Cave.
Also of note Young X-Men is apparently cancelled as of issue 12. This has been reported to be in the print version of Marvel previews but has yet to be confirmed.
thanks for reviews, Pod. No reviews from me as I won't get anything until tomorrow if even then. :P
From the sounds of it, I made a good decision to not read anymore Young X-men. Ink sounds like a vulcan to me...too much power, way too fast.
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And anything that finds a connection to the "fake" phoenix force at this point is just overkill. *shakes head*
In other news...wasnt Mutant zero revealed this week?
Quote from: Previsionary on January 02, 2009, 05:37:21 AM
In other news...wasnt Mutant zero revealed this week?
Yes. I haven't read the issue yet but hopefully will tomorrow, there was a mix up at the shop.
I pretty much knew who M0 was already and went ahead and spoiled that part of the issue to myself already.
She is:
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Typhoid Mary
X-men: Worlds Apart #3:
Doing some quick reviews as it's what I do. Last issue, Storm and Nehzno escaped into the wilderness and had to fight for their lives. Meanwhile, Cyclops was en route to kill his lover, Emma Frost, thanks to some mental suggestions by Shadow King. Will Storm and Nehzno finally restore the King to his rightful mind? Will Cyclops survive being blasted out of the sky by a thunderbolt? Let's find out!
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We open up to a shot of Cyclops. His hair is flowing out of his costume and he's at an airport. He needs a plane. When one isn't given to him immediately, he fires an optic blast. Insta-scene shift to Storm fighting BP as his claws slice through her flesh. We get a series of fight sequences as BP beats Storm down; however, Storm is willing to cheat to stop Shadow King. She messes with BP's equilibrium and gets the upper hand. When BP feigns being back in his right mind, Storm jump kicks him into unconsciousness as Nehzno watches on in horror. Afterwards, Storm and Nehzno sneak back into the palace They make it to the alter where the Wakandans finally find them. Storm feigns surrender, but enters into the Panther Realm. The Panther God is upset, but Storm doesn't care. She'll do anything to save T'challa and his—her—people. As she does this, she returns from the Panther Realm just as Panthers rush towards her. She commands her people to listen and they do. She orders them to keep BP unconscious as she and Nehzno head for San Fran. Nehzno questions how they'll make it in time and Storm shows him just as a funnel opens in the sky.
Meanwhile, with the X-men, Pixie wonders when Cyclops is coming back and why Emma doesn't check in on him when he's with hot women that has something in common with him. Emma is prepared to be snarky when she reels in pain! Cyclops bursts into the room fuming mad. He confronts Emma and calls her a betrayer. She turned him against the X-men and against Jean! Now...she will pay! End.
Love it. I think I liked the Cyclops part more than the Storm part, but only because Cyclops wasn't his typical self and actually addressing things no other book is at the moment. I can't wait for the finale and it's sad that it's so close now as I doubt Storm and Nehzno will get this type of attention for quite some time. I love that Yost remembered some old details about Storm such as her keeping locks in her hair. After rereading the Phoenix saga recently, it was just nice to see it referenced in some capacity. But yeah, quite a few good scenes this issue and I highly recommend it. 3.5 out of 5.
Incredible Hercules #124:I don't know if I've said it here, but Hercules has become one of my favorite heroes of late and I always look forward to his book. For the past few issues, Cho has been trapped and trying to find a way out of his predicament and Hercules has been forced to work alongside Namor and his lovely cousin.
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The book opens with a scene featuring George Washington witnessing a figure holding up the Earth (Atlas). Flash forward to Cho as he witnesses Artume get praised for ushering in the new Amazonia. As they do this, Hercules, Athena, and Namora meet them and the fighteth is oneth. Before Hercules and pals can even do anything, Cho is used as a hostage and Artume releases Atlas from his duties. Hercules is shocked and seconds later, merely avoids being smashed into a pancake. Hercules eventually leads Atlas into a trap and Namora flies into his crotch and remarks on the stench. Meanwhile, Cho escapes from his capturers and meets a dead end. Lucky for him, his gorgon friend returns and helps him out.
To wrap this all up a bit quicker, Cho gets his 'brains' back and figures out how to get the Omphalos out of Artume's hands before she completes the ritual. What follows are scenes of the heroes trying to catch it and getting their fondest wish just before Artume reclaims it and reality begins to bend. The book ends with an older Cho waking up in bed and getting the 411 on the day's news. We are treated to a few scenes and get to meet some of the She-vengers just before we learn that Artume was successful in bending the world to her rule. End.
Action heavy issue. I enjoyed it. Namora and her wish kind of disturbed me, but I found almost everything in this issue enjoyable and I can't wait for the next issue. There's a certain Atlas scene that literally made me laugh out loud. Not many books make me do that. The only thing I would complain about is the opening pages as I don't think I understood the relevance of them. That's probably my fault for forgetting something, but it's still a good book. So good, that it's a 4 out of 5.
Magneto: Testament #4This book sits firmly at a 3/average for me, so I'm hoping it can really push its way to greatness in the final two issues. As you should know by now, this book aims to flesh out and give a concrete look at Magneto's past. Last issue, Magneto began to show his first sign of having powers just after his family was shot down around him.
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The book opens with max/Eric/Magneto/Magnus getting off a train at another camp. A few steps in and he runs into an old friend (his teacher from issue 1 actually) who informs him to tell the guards he's 18 and willing to work. Max passes this news off to another kid in line and follows through with this information when he's at the "registration" desk—for a lack of better terms. Max is led into a shower with a bunch of other men and awaits his fate. Water pours out to his relief. A few pages later, a guard comes in and asks if any boys under 18 are in the room. Max tries to protect a boy from saying so, but the kid is persistent. Max is hit and the boy is led outside and executed.
Later, Max runs into his teacher again who gives him a bit of cheese and informs him that he's going to set up a bribe to get Max transferred along with him. All he needs Max to do is to stay alive. Max wonders aloud how he can do that and his friend, Herr Kalb, says that Max will figure it out. The plan goes perfectly and Max is almost on his way to a new work assignment with his old teacher...that is until another guard claims him for another job. On his new assignment, Max witnesses a bunch of workers remove their clothes, enter into a building, and be gassed to death thanks to a lie. Another event that scars the kid. Max eventually runs into Herr Kalb again who makes another promise to save him...a promise he ends up not keeping.
The book ends with Max writing a letter and hiding it somewhere urging whoever finds it to never let this happen again. He's given up and this is apparent to the others around him as they walk in lines pass barbed wired fences. That is...he's given up until his eyes catch glimpses of his lady love, Magda. End!
Very interesting read that's full of some powerful scenes, I think. Magneto having to witness so much at his young age and seeing the people that tried to help and protect him get taken away from him is a pretty powerful motivator for his later actions as a super villain. I really do think this book would be a much better read in trade form than in its monthly...well...whenever it's released form, but this issue was fairly good. Will Murs like it...that's the question. I give it a 3.2.
Quote from: Previsionary on January 03, 2009, 04:09:09 AM
Will Murs like it...that's the question. I give it a 3.2.
So that's the question is it? :lol:
QuoteVery interesting read that's full of some powerful scenes, I think.
Absolutely. That pretty much sums up the issue without giving any details. I'm not sure what score to give it exactly but at least a four, if not a near 5.
As far as X-force goes, I actually quite enjoyed Warpath's little excursion. The inclusion of Ghost rider was just great. From what I hear Marvel is trying to include X-men more into the rest of the universe, and I really appreciate little things like this.
This book remains one of my most anticipated each month.
Old Man Logan- Wow! So now we know why he won't pop the claws. I wasn't expecting that in the least.
Spoiler
Mysterio makes Wolverine think he's fighting and killing various villains, but in reality he's killing the X-men.
Ultimate Hulk- So Power Princess is more powerful than Hulk? Who would have thunk? I liked this story. It was very fun.
Quote from: thanoson on January 04, 2009, 09:22:35 AM
Old Man Logan- Wow! So now we know why he won't pop the claws. I wasn't expecting that in the least. Spoiler
Mysterio makes Wolverine think he's fighting and killing various villains, but in reality he's killing the X-men.
Wow, that's a neat trick, when you take into account how powerful Wolverine's senses are.
Cable #10:
This book is the epitome of slow in my eyes. This book has had 11 issues?over 260 pages to tell a story and we?re not very far into the story and we?ve learn very little about Cable, the girl, or his wife. It?s a struggle staying interested in this book as it?s so completely average. I hope the crossover provides the spark it needs because it?ll be a sad day if yet another Cable book gets canceled so soon. Anyway, last issue, Bishop tricked the X-men and took them out while X-force was miles away. In the future, Cable and his family were fighting bugs before escaping the city.
Spoiler
The book opens up with Emma being the only standing survivor in Bishop?s plot. Meanwhile, in the future, Cable and his family are living in an apocalyptic America. The president is still chasing them, but Cable has figured out the kink in their armors. Now, Cable and fam are just waiting around. Back to Emma and Bishop, Bishop doesn?t take kindly to her surviving and blasts her. Following that, he tried to tendril choke her just as Beast reappeared and smashed him into a wall. Back in the future, somehow Hope was captured and Cable allowed himself to be caught to save her. The president orders him to kill his family and the little girl stabs the pres and Cable is able to break free and question the bug. Back in the past, Bishop beats Hank and tries to escape just as X-force arrived. He barely manages to escape Wolverine?s claws and ends up months earlier in the past?where he passes out. In the future, Cable learns that America is the only continent standing and the bugs wanted to reclaim every square inch of it. He and the family decide to head for the X-mansion. On their way, they met resistance and Hope is killed. To wrap this up, Cable and the girl, who he names Hope, reach a missionary where they receive water and Bishop hops into the future. In the past, Emma knows where Bishop is heading and Cyclops tells Wolverine to be prepared.
The book is sped up minimally and I didn?t care about a lot in the book. It?s just all there for me right now. This arc was mostly used to set up Bishop?s plan, limit Cable?s moving area, to name the little girl, and to set up the crossover. It took too many issues to get all that set up especially when most of it came in this issue. Talk about padding. 2 out of 5.
The girl FINALLY got a name? YAY!
Indeed, she did. It'll probably be changed again in Messiah War. :P
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X-men Noir #2:
Last issue, Jean Grey was killed and Peter learned that his father wasn?t so honorable. Meanwhile, the original Angel tried to meet up with the X-men and it all went to hell.
Spoiler
Picking up where my last review left off, we see that Cyclops gave a warning shot and that Tommy has a chance to explain himself. It?s then revealed that Magnus killed Jean and Warren to frame the professor for not joining his brotherhood. With this new information, Tommy is prepared to form an alliance to help take down the Chief of Detectives.
Elsewhere, Mr. Shaw and Magnus look at the X-men latest work. The X-men had stolen everything and Shaw isn?t happy. If Magnus can?t stop the X-men, he can easily be replaced with someone that can. Back at the bar, Peter is still dealing with finding out his father is a criminal and he informs Wanda of this news. She already knew and she believes it to be wonderful.
Over with our merry band of non-mutants, Angel/Tom wants to know where the other X-men were when Jean was killed. This sets Bobby off, but Beast explains that they were scouting out other workers of Shaw at the hellfire club and Jean stayed behind at the hotel. She didn?t directly pull jobs other than sweet talking and prep work. When the other X-men got back to the hotel, Jean was gone. This discussion eventually leads to Tom going to find Rogue to bring her back to the team. Iceman doesn?t want her there as she abandoned them when Warren was killed.
At the prison, an odd-looking Xavier is visited by his old friend, Magnus. Animosity is in the air, but Magnus is only there for one thing?Anna Marie?Rogue. Xavier refuses to give up anything and Magnus ends the discussion by threatening Xavier. He wouldn?t want Rogue to end up like Jean, would he?
Later, Tommy finds Rogue and tries to get her to join the team. He doesn?t have much time as Magneto and his crew find Anna almost seconds later. Tommy fights them off using skills he learned from Cain Marko and escapes with Rogue onto the roof and actually jumps across a building gap with her in tow. Their follower(s) don?t make it.
Even later, Tommy and Rogue continue to talk. Rogue reveals that she passed herself off as Warren?s cousin as she couldn?t take the rising competition between Xavier and Magneto. Tommy probes her mind for more info on Jean and Rogue reveals that she had other men outside of Cyclops. She?ll tell him everything he needs to know as long as Tommy protects her from the bad guys?and there?s no clear distinction.
Over with Peter and Wanda, we learn that Gambit beat her down for continuously making a fool of him and he couldn?t let her keep getting away with it. Wanda wanders what hope lies within Peter because she completely corrupted herself and still paid a price. The book ends with Cyclops and Wolverine facing off over Jean?just like old times.
This is yet another good read. It?s full of X-men references, but no one in the story is a mutant. You see, they all get their nicknames through abilities that link them to their original incarnations. Let?s take, for example, Rogue. They brought a whole new meaning to her ability to absorb powers and personalities. In this universe, she?s basically a chameleon. She can fit in anywhere just by ?absorbing? the traits around her and using them to fit in with her crowd. It?s a very interesting idea. Of course, the Magnus/Xavier relationship shows up in this book and even the Wanda/Peter relationship gets touched on. This issue is slightly better than issue 1, but the art was a bit rougher. Xavier looked weird to me and he was mostly hidden in shadows. In fact, he didn?t look like he did in issue 1, iirc. It?s a very good read and if you don?t plan on buying it monthly, at least consider the trades. I say this early, but I have faith in the book at this point. If it falters near the end, you?ll surely know from me. Oh, the backup "script" focuses on Nimrod, sentinels, and Rachel. It's an ok read and brings in quite a few more characters such as the morlocks and Bastion. It?s a 3.5 out of 5. It loses points for the art.
dont read any of these books but interested in power princ. thing about being stronger than hulk? no one stronger than hulk!!!RRrrr!!! :angry:
Amazing Spider-man: Fear Itself:
I?m not sure what brought this about, but I?ve learned a long time ago not to question crossovers especially when it?s between a mostly unused character and a popular one. I?d have more of an opening, but I just don?t have much to say about a Spider-man/Man-thing crossover. Oh, this book takes place in the BND Spider-man verse though it does reference back to a very young Pete.
Spoiler
I?m not going to get in-depth with this book because there?s nothing to get in-depth about. The story starts with Peter in Florida fighting Man-thing. The reason? Man-thing apparently was wrecking some homes. During this fight, Spider-man got touched and the Man-thing just walked away. Some time later, Peter is back in NY and his spider sense goes off. It?s Man-Thing and Peter can?t fathom why the monster is outside of his swamp in Florida. Instead of fighting and following the creature, Peter just leaves it in an alleyway as he has Aunt may with him, but he can tell something is wrong. Even later, Pete is on a date with Carlie (who has a filthy mouth) and he?s not paying attention to a word she says. In fact, he sees Man-Thing again in the restaurant and runs off after it?or something. Peter eventually asks Dr. Connors to check him out where it?s revealed Peter is becoming a plant hybrid and his spider DNA is being suppressed. Connors gives him some medicine and tells Pete to take it every hour to slow down the disease. Peter leaves and swings over NY. Literally two pages later, Connor calls back with a cure and Peter ignores it as Man-Thing is in his face. He comes up with a plan to use Man-Thing?s ability to cure himself. Initially it doesn?t work, but once Peter thinks about Aunt May being alone, Man-Thing?s touch burns him and the plant mutation comes to a halt. Peter figures out that Man-Thing came after him because it could sense another plant creature, and because it didn?t want to be alone, followed him from Florida. This was the Man-Thing?s biggest fear and?this results in the creature bursting into flame.
I left out some parts, but that small paragraph behind the spoiler tag IS the whole story. While I was reading this story, I wondered why this was needed?why was it made. Not only did Pete basically talk about Aunt May the whole issue and how he couldn?t bear to lose her (because these are things any Spidey reader knows), but Man-Thing was just one giant plot device the whole way through. Peter TOLD pretty much every plot development in this story and we didn?t get to SEE any of it really happen. Everything just seemed rush except Peter constantly going on about his Aunt May. I didn?t like the art much either, but it gave it a pretty good feel. Just not my cup of tea. I?m rating this a 1.5. You need to be really hardcore for one of the characters involved to even want to own it. I dunno if I?m the only one that thinks this but, what?s the point of having Doc Connors in the story trying to figure out something?if he figures out the problem and solution all in three pages flat? If this were a mini-series, it may have worked, but as a one-shot?no go.
Invincible Ironman #9:
Things have really begun to change for Tony Stark. His closest friends don?t all exactly trust him, he?s been replaced by Norman Osbourne, and he?s basically about to wage war with Norman because of the information he contains. Should be very interesting even if you don?t like the direction MOST writers wrote Tony in?because that?s ultimately the problem with his character. More writers (JMS) wrote him in a completely negative light than those that made him likable but with another point of view?one of many problems of Civil War. But that?s not the point of this issue. Last time, Tony was removed from power as head of SHIELD and Norman was ushered in. Tony may have been humiliated, but he made sure to get the last laugh by downloading all the registered heroes information into his head.
Spoiler
Jumping in from last issue, Tony explains that his body was basically remade into some type of computer that allowed him to interact with the iron armor. Every secret and all the information that relates to Tony?s business and some of SHIELD?s information is stored within his brain and it?s up to him and his little crew to make sure it?s all erased?which basically means Tony will end up brain dead. Maria is furious and she doesn?t want to go through with this idea at all. She wonders why Tony just won?t blow his brains out or have a psychic and Tony tells her that a bullet might not hit the right spot in his brain and psychics can?t read a hard drive. What ultimately becomes of this scene is that Tony tricks Maria into doing what he wanted her to do.
Over with Norman, he was upset enough to punch a glass window and allow his knuckles to bleed. Seconds later, he gets a report that his team can?t crack into anything of Tony?s. However, the stuff Tony left behind is being taken apart and relocated to Thunderbolts mtn. Norman isn?t worried at all. He?ll find a way to break both Tony and his company. Good news though, Maria Hill has been found!
Next scene, Maria returns to her apartment building. It?s been months since she?s been a normal girl. She climbs up the stairs and prepares to enter her door. As soon as she does, she?s greeted by a barrage of laser pointed at her. She?s freaked out, understandably, but does a good job of holding her own until she?s captured. Maria wakes up, tied up, in an aircraft. She?s not impressed. Her capturers have received orders to ?pop her?, but Maria isn?t one to go down without a fight. She kicks one of the men out of the aircraft and crashes it into a body of water. She?s seen as the only survivor and she goes after Tony.
Meanwhile, Tony is busy finishing up his plans to erase his mind. It?s revealed that Tony resigned as CEO of his company and signed it over to Pep. He wants her to close it down for good as he goes off to finish the rest of his plan. The book ends with Norman declaring Maria Hill and Tony number one priority, Tony sitting in his iron armor at one of his consoles as Maria comes rushing in, and Pepper signing all the papers to assume head of Stark Industries.
This is really just a set up book. It?s putting everything into place for future storylines. If Dark Reign continues to be set up like this, I might actually have a better hope in it succeeding Fraction?s run on this book has been pretty good?you could say exceptional. If you haven?t liked Ironman since Civila War, this is a good time to pick up this book and test out this version. He?s not the jerk some writers made him out to be and he actually has a soul again. I like the Maria Hill fight scenes and it?s nice to see how far Tony will go to protect his fellow super heroes and friends even if they don?t know anything about his sacrifices. It?s a good read and I enjoyed it a lot. This?from a person that doesn?t really like Ironman in general. 3.5 out of 5.
Hopefully someone other than me reviews this week. :P
Captain Britain and the MI13 #9:
New thread, another opening to push Captain Britain into all of your lives. This has quickly become one of my favorite books probably just behind Incredible Hercules. It?s a very good book that does the Capt right. If you want to see him and his team in some nice adventures without referring much to Claremont?s?run, then this is for you. Over the last few issues, Plotka has been creating ?mindless ones? by trapping people in dream voids. The MI13 catch on to this and try to stop him only to be betrayed by an old friend. Meanwhile, Capt realizes he may not be with the real Meggan and his crazy brother might actually be there to help him.
Spoiler
The book opens with an intense scene mere moments after Capt. Midlands' betrayal. Pete is angry. Very angry. So angry that he throws a fire knife at Midlands' wife and she begins to crack. Outside of Plotka?s domain, Stewart climbs into the Mindless One the team has captured to see if he can find anything of use. What he finds is a direct path to Captain Britain who?s aimlessly floating about. Brian is excited to find out something is finally real, grabs Alistair (Stewart), and tells him to keep his mentality on the real world so they have a reference point.
Meanwhile, in the remains of Midlands' dreams, Pete aims to find a way out and he uses Dane?s sword to do it. He tells it that if it wants more blood, it?ll have to get them out of their predicament. It does so, and Pete goes about ripping through every dream corridor he can find. As Pete does this, the real exit appears for Brian and Alistair. As they head through the door, Meggan appears and claims she?s real. The duo doesn?t see or hear her. Back over at Pete, the team has finally made it over to Plotka as his dream corridors begin to wane. He?s not amused and sends more Mindless Ones after the team. Long story short, Pete plan works out after Captain Britain ad Alistaire show up and imprison Plotka in the cage the Mindless one from earlier was trapped in. This section ends with everyone outside of Plotka?s domain and staring on as Captain Midlands is arrested. Blade is put on probation, but kept on the team.
In the aftermath, Brian learns that Alistair is magical and Spitfire and Blade share a kiss as he tries to apologize. Meggan ends up in a hellish dimension on her own and Captain Midlands is embarrassed by his actions. The book ends with an epilogue that shows the vampires ARE back and Dracula enters the fray and he tells his men to get him Doctor Doom. End.
This wasn?t as big of an ending that I was anticipating, but it was still pretty good overall. I LOVE that a certain character is coming back after she was sent off into limbo almost three-four years ago. I also think I might like this current line up a bit more once Cornell really starts to work on their dynamic. Unfortunately, Blade, Spitfire, Dane, and Faiza barely did anything and some parts felt a bit rushed or something. It?s a 3 for me. Still a good read, but let me down a bit.
X-Infernus #2:
Well, I?m straining to remember what really happened last issue and truth be told, I don?t REALLY remember anything of importance happening. Most of issue 1 was online on myspace, so I guess I should have went over there to look at it or grabbed the book from my shelf or something, but I?m kinda lazy sometimes. ^^. Last time, Magik found the location of her soul sword and went to get it. That?s the important information. Moving on.
Spoiler
Picking up where last issue left off, Illyana wants her sword. We then got the obligatory fight scene which was actually kind of nice?and messy (Mercury is splattered over the walls?literally). Pixie refuses to hand over the sword and even fights Magik to get her soul back. Magik overpowers Pixie, grabs the sword, and tries to return to Limbo. She can?t and her appearance becomes more human. Seconds later, Colossus and the Astonishing team burst into the room. Colossus pleads with his sister, but she refuses his help. She has to save herself (and she feels nothing for her brother) and leaves via one of her teleporting discs. This breaks Peter?s heart. The Astonishing team check on the downed members and learn that Illyana beat them all down. Pixie is still upset and wants to follow Magik?she?s even willing to go alone before she?s calmed down by a weakened NC.
Magik returns to her home and is shocked at how things are changed. She finds S?ym chained to a chair and asks what happened. He tells her that Belasco?s daughter came in and did this to him just seconds before she jumps out of the shadows and attacks Magik. Back with the X-men, Colossus is tired of waiting and he jumps all down Scott?s throat?verbally. As he finishes, Scott tells him that he agrees and tells Colossus to go get his sister along with Mercury, Rockslide, Pixie, Wolverine, and Nightcrawler who?ll lead the team. And that?s where the book ends.
So um?I want to like this book more, but it?s such an incredibly quick read with not a lot happening in it. I guess I just want more substance and not just a bunch of fight scenes. It?s adequate and it?s nice to see Colossus doing something other than mope about like he is in Uncanny. Not to mention that NC actually gets to lead a team again and some New X-men are included, but I just didn?t enjoy this as much as I probably should. I?m also a bit mixed on some characterizations, but it wasn?t a big enough deal for me to deduct any more points. 2.5 out of 5.
CW: HoM #5:
This has been a fairly good series, but nothing has been uber amazing as of yet. This is the final issue and I hope it ends on an incredible high note. I doubt it will, but I?m hoping for a big, amazing finale that?ll make the series a must read. Last issue, Magneto watched as Xavier passed away thanks to a co-ordinated attack by Bucky and his team and Wanda began showing signs of her uber hexing magic.
Spoiler
Following up from last issue, Magneto and his followers continue their attack on Washington D.C. Quicksilver arrives on the scene and alerts Magneto to the situation in Genosha. The Gov?t have launched nukes at Magneto?s island. Magneto isn?t particularly worried about this because he anticipated it and took some measures earlier. He summons Lorna and tells her to lead in his place as he and Quicksilver head for the SHIELD helicarrier. They do this by using Gateway to travel.
In the helicarrier, the vice president wants to see the island go up in clouds on the screen. Unfortunately for him, Magneto?s plan scomes into play as Blackbolt opens his mouth and disintegrates the missiles while they?re in the air. The Vice Prez is upset and wants more missiles sent at Genosha and considers sending them at the Inhumans, but is advised against it. Before anything can happen, Magneto and QS enter the ship and take it out of the air. Magneto tries to reason with the vice president, but he?ll hear none of it. Instead, he summons another sentinel and overrides its safety features to protect humans. Not only is Magneto upset with the outcome, he has no mercy for the vice president and ironically has the VP killed by the sentinel that was sent to take him and QS out. Magneto then flies out of the ship to deal with the sentinels and tells the SHIELD members to escape while they have the chance.
Magneto ends up in central park and continues fighting the sentinels. Back at the helicarrier, Agent Danvers quits SHIELD and asks QS to take her to Magneto. He does so and then leaves her to go get reinforcements. As QS leaves, Agent Danvers reveals that she was close to Xavier and he helped her control her alien powers. She jumps into the fight between Magneto and the sentinels and tries to help just as QS and the mutants from Washington arrive on the scene via Gateway. The fight comes to an abrupt end once Magneto takes out a sentinel with the President?s plane. He then grabs the President and calls the war to the end.
Magneto becomes the new president and makes an impassioned speech on the honor of Charles, Wanda, and Captain Marvel/Danvers, and reveals what he hopes will happen between human and mutant kind. After the speech, Magneto reveals to his kids that he is their father. Lorna is noticeably upset because Magneto wasn?t always there for her and her mother died of cancer. She walks away and doesn?t know if she?ll be back. QS follows her. Only Wanda remains by his side. The book ends with mutants all over the world oppressing humans which most likely leads into HoM: Avengers.
4! This book finally hit home with me. I enjoyed quite a few scenes and I loved the small character moments between Lorna and Magneto, QS and Magneto, and even Wanda and Magneto. That?s what I wanted from the beginning and it?s a shame it came so late. I also loved how highly Magneto continued to think of Charles regardless of their beef throughout the earlier issues. The ending scenes and a few of the fight scenes were my favorite parts and I think I might actually have to reread this book all together. *gasp*. Anyway, if you want to see Magneto in a different setting, sane, fighting for a cause, and coming out on top?this is for you. If you want to see how Magneto and his kids get along, this won?t really be for you, but you?ll enjoy the ride anyway. :P
Deadpool #6:
I don?t like Way?s Deadpool, but people, like Murs, seem to love it. Wait, sorry, I forgot what role I was playing. REDO! I
LOVE Way?s Deadpool and people like Murs seem to hate it. Loser. Anyway, last issue, DP fought off some huge breasted zombie women who didn?t like his taste. This issue ties into Dark Reign and features Tigershark.
The book opens with DP hallucinating something fierce. As he?s giving this fake interview with this fake interviewer, a kid pokes him in the eye with a stick. That?s it. You want more? FINE!
Spoiler
It?s revealed that Tigershark beat DP pretty fiercely, but he didn?t fully honor his deal of taking DP out. The voice on the phone tells him to finish the deal. Tiger agrees and tosses away his phone. He then kills a poor boy by tossing him into an aquarium?a shark aquarium. The next day, DP wakes up in a bed. He?s in a shelter for homeless people. A woman hovers over him as he gets out of bed. She?s concerned and all DP wants to do is leave. This lasts for a page. As DP prepares to go kick Tiger's @#*, Tiger Shark is in an alleyway looking for him. DP decides to stay and he instantly hallucinates. Seconds later, Tiger bursts into the room and a fight scene breaks out?with DP consulting with his other personalities?all two or three of them. As the fight scene draws to a close, it seems the lady DP was crushing on called the cops and they shoot him. DP runs into another room with the woman and some other people and basically hits on her (Tiger Shark escaped). He makes a joke on the phone with the cops for some reason and they burst in and shoot him down.
Later, DP wakes up, unzips his morgue bag, and is shocked to find himself on a wharf. Tiger Shark is there and prepares to finish the job just as?just as BOB shoots him and stands up for his old?um?friend? Master? Captor? Deadpool. He then tosses him the rifle?and it promptly goes into the water. Tiger Shark then pulls Bob under water. The book ends with Bob drowning while being held by Tiger Shark and Deadpool jumping into the water to grab the dropped rifle.
As much as I don?t want to say it, this issue was actually decent. Also?the final two pages actually made me glad. I?ll just say someone Murs loves returned. While I might have enjoyed the issue more than the last?um?5, I still don?t really care for it that much. 2. Too me, it just a whole bunch of nothing that continues to happen in the series in its current incarnation and this issue was a great example of that. Maybe the Thunderbolts crossover can turn Way around like he did in the Wolverine/Legacy crossover.
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In other news, I hear Psylocke will be in Uncanny X-men soon, so she effectively escapes Exiles! Yay. Also, I've seen people say that Messiah War (http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=11365) is part two of a three part event...and that there's an X-men/New Avengers crossover. This year seems to be very busy and event heavy for Marvel's merry mutants.
Black Panther trailer (http://movieblog.ugo.com/index.php/movieblog/comments/marvel_comics_blank_panther_trailer_debut/) -- haven't watched it yet. :P
Uncanny Annual preview (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6593)
Dark Avengers #1 Preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/943/943754p1.html)
BUMP! Did no one read anything this week or is the thread just dying? Anyway, the post above this one got a few reviews added + some previes, so check those out.
X-men/Spider-man #3:
This series is ultimately interesting minus some minor problems like continuity. It’s a team up between Spider-man and the X-men through several decades. When I say decades, I mean our time…it’s probably been…1.5 years Marvel time. :P. Last issue, Pete and the Australian-esque X-men (minus-Psylocke) joined together to figure out what exactly Kraven was up to and they battle the Marauders down in the Morlock tunnels. This issue, Ben Reilly returns.
Spoiler
We open to a scene of the X-men battling Sinister under NJ from a few years ago. Sinister runs from the battle and Cyclops is tired of always being two steps behind his foe. The X-men, which consists of Iceman, Storm, Archangel, Boneclaw Wolverine, and Cyclops, decide to check out the base to see if they can find any clues. Scott finds a file and realizes the team will be ahead of Sinister for once and they can also return a favor. Cue a scene shift and we see Spider-man chasing down Slyde. This lasts a few panels until Slyde is frozen in his tracks—literally—and the X-men asks Spidey if he remembers the last time they met (last issue). Spidey doesn’t and we get a retread of the clone saga thing.
Eventually, while reading the files the X-men retrieved, Spidey finds out that Sinister is after a sample of Carnage’s DNA because it could be used to stabilize and enhance his own clones. Meanwhile, Sinister has found Carnage and aims to get what he wants with or without Carnage’s co-operation. Carnage makes a deal with Sinister, but before anything can happen, the X-men and Spider-man show up to put an end to both villains. The battle rages on for a few pages and Sinister gets the upper hand. He defeats the heroes and simply floats out of the prison after he collects what he came for. Before Carnage can escape, the X-men trap him back in his cell. Ben wonders what Sinister could possibly mean by his :mockery of life” statement. Cyclops and Wolverine console him and they all walk away. The book ends with Sinister in his lab marveling his work…the one thing that may ensure mutantkind survival.
Fairly quick read and it’s nice to see Ben again even though this issue revolved around more clones. I’m not really excited to read this book from week to week especially when I compare it to the last two things I read by Gage, but it’s still nice book to have if you want to see the X-men and Spidey interacting since it rarely happens. The art could be better, but it’s passable. I’d rate it another 2.5.
Amazing Spider-girl #28:
Sad that I’m starting to review this book so far down the line. I mean, it’s literally two issues from cancellation. Lame. Over the past few issues, the book has been toying with the clone saga, but this time, it’s not a mess of a storyline that dragged on for a while. It’s actually fairly good! Go figure. The clone from the 90s storyline has finally reshown itself and May is left wondering if she’s the real deal or the fake. Meanwhile, Peter is dealing with the same problem in his own way and MJ knows nothing. Eventually, May and Arana switch bodies and…know what? Just buy a trade. :p
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Picking up where last issue left off, May finds herself back in her own body and she’s about to be killed by the Tarantula! Why? Because Tarantula thinks Spider-girl’s body is still being controlled and manipulated by Arana. The fight continues on for a few pages until May figures out a way to make Tarantula understand the truth. All it takes is for her to kiss him.
Meanwhile, a falling Arana manages to catch onto a flagpole and hang for safety as she tries to figure out how she switched bodies. While she does so, Spider-girl2 swings overhead and Arana attacks her. Spider-girl2 is confused. She keeps claiming to be the real Spider-girl and she must save her father. Simultaneously, Osbourne and May’s friends are gathered together trying to figure out what to do in their complex situation. During the discussion, Normie reveals that he’s going to take Fury’s deal and take Peter’s place as the leader of the Goblin cult. Over with the Cult, Fury has been shot by a corrupted Peter and Peter/Norman learn of the deal she was trying to make with Normie. Peter asks for the deal to happen so that he may tell Normie in person that he is no longer needed. At the meeting location, Normie tries to comfort his wife about his decision while Peter shows up on the streets below. Green Goblin/Philip notices him and goes to greet him…just as Peter shoots him out of the air.
Gonna skip a few parts and tie this all up. Arana and Spider-girl2 continue to fight and Arana gets the upper hand. She pulls off SG2’s mask and is shocked by her face. Meanwhile, Peter continues to beat up May’s associates and each one is shocked by who the new Goblin is. Elsewhere, Spider-girl and Tarantula continue to hunt for her father. While on route to another location, she sees the new Goblin and confronts him. During the fight, she finds out its her father and is beaten down just the same. The book ends on a big cliffhanger. May, Mary Jane, Benjy, SG2, and Peter all in the same room…and someone just might die. AIE!
This continues to be a good read. It was a little tough to start reviewing this in the middle of a complex arc…but I figured someone would find it interesting. This is looking to be one heck of a finale and it’s tying up several storylines. I’ve really grown to like May and her methods as Spider-girl, especially in this issue, kind of remind me of some of Peter’s classic methods…you know, when he regularly had to rely on his brains. Too bad it’s ending, but I’m sure the transition to “Amazing Spider-man family” will be almost as good…almost. 4 out of 5. Yay.
Secret Warriors #2 preview: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26519
I remember that storyline, for a brief moment I thought marvel was bringing back Ben (Scarlet Spider) Riley, my favorite web-slinger.
As I'm living in such an isolated area, it's great to have someone reviewing books. I think I'll try a few of the ones you've mentioned.
Thanks.
Yeah, I'm not that impressed with X-Infernus, it's really not that great. It has a very strong encompassing feel of 'meh'. It also doesn't feel like enough is happening for a 4 issue mini.
Also Phil Urich is not the Hobgoblin, he's the Green Goblin. The orange threw you off didn't it? Yeah, I think he's color scheme's pretty awful myself.
In other news, Deadpool is getting a mini series by a different writer, Mike Benson:
http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6625.New_Deadpool_Series_Begins_in_April (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6625.New_Deadpool_Series_Begins_in_April)
I personally find it very hard to get excited about Deadpool these days, which is a shame because I used to love looking forward to his books every month. Well, at least there's Weapon X First Class. Those DP pages that were posted here a while back were great!
Quote from: Silver Shocker on January 17, 2009, 10:45:54 PM
Yeah, I'm not that impressed with X-Infernus, it's really not that great. It has a very strong encompassing feel of 'meh'. It also doesn't feel like enough is happening for a 4 issue mini.
I think it'll probably do a bit better in trade form. Maybe. The series doesn't have a lot going on in the first two issues beyond a lot of fighting and colossus angst. Maybe the latter issues will fix this problem.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on January 17, 2009, 10:45:54 PM
Also Phil Urich is not the Hobgoblin, he's the Green Goblin. The orange threw you off didn't it? Yeah, I think he's color scheme's pretty awful myself.
Ack, yeah...also, I wrote that before heading out and the first name that popped into mind was hobby. :p. My bad, thanks for telling me. *fixes*
Quote from: Silver Shocker on January 17, 2009, 10:45:54 PM
In other news, Deadpool is getting a mini series by a different writer, Mike Benson:
http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6625.New_Deadpool_Series_Begins_in_April (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6625.New_Deadpool_Series_Begins_in_April)
I personally find it very hard to get excited about Deadpool these days, which is a shame because I used to love looking forward to his books every month. Well, at least there's Weapon X First Class. Those DP pages that were posted here a while back were great!
Indeed. I hope this series does well as I dislike the current DP a lot. I'm still trying to figure out what the people who do like it see in it. I mean, there's only so much of DP talking to himself I can take.
Picked up Mighty Avengers today.
Big Spoiler:
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-Iron Patriot is confirmed as Norman Osborn.
-Wanda is back, but we're not told anything about what she's been up to.
-It's looking like the tentative lineup for the Avengers is: Wasp, Herc & Cho, Vision, Stature, USAgent, Hulk, Jocasta and Scarlett Witch (possibly just an astral projection at this point).
I do a Mighty summary:
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This is will be low detail as I don't have my issue handy.
The world is going crazy, plagues, rivers of blood, Young Avengers turning to stone, and stuff like that, all over the place. The New and Dark Avengers, Omega Flight, X-Men are all powerless to stop them (the FF have been trapped in television signals) The Scarlet Witch appears before Vision & Stature, Hulk, and USAgent and teleports them.
Jarvis is driving to the new Asgard to enlist Thor's help but it's been wiped off the map. He's found by Herc and Amadeus Cho. They're gathering Avengers to solve the crisis and Cho has mathematically proven that Jarvis is the constant. Jarvis joins them and suggests a leader.
That leader is Hank Pym who is working in a secret lab with Jocasta. Hank has taken on the identity of the Wasp to honor Jan. He's developed all kinds of new inventions since returning from the Skrulls, such as this teleporting link room thing (can't remember exactly what it was and again don't have the issue to check atm). Jarvis and the others plead Hank to join them, and after some convincing he agrees. They all go to Transia which Cho has determined is the point of the problems.
Meanwhile Iron Man has determined the same thing and is also heading that way.
When Hank and the team arrive in Transia Wanda appears and tells them she's gathered them an army, Hank only needs call them. AVENGERS ASSEMBLE! Wasp, Hercules, Vision, Stature, Hulk, USAgent, Scarlet Witch, Jarvis, and Amadeus Cho stand united as the new Avengers.
At Mount Wundagore, Transia the source of the problems is revealed to be Modred (the son of Morgan La Fey if memory serves - who is appearing in Dark Avengers interesting no?) has captured Quicksilver and turned him into the evil Cthon.
I thought it was an excellent first issue. This feels like the Avengers I've been missing since Busiek left the book. Slott is one of my favorite writers right now, and the art is pretty good with some rough spots. Khoi Pham is all over the place in terms of style though, I can see bits of Cheung, Yu, Copiel, and even JR jr in his work. His pretty new to this though and in a year or so I think he'll be a solid artist.
If you're a Hank Pym fan this book is for you. He's the star of this issue really, and Slott has a good handle on the character. Pym is my favorite Avenger so I'm very happy. Jarvis and Cho also shine in this issue too. Herc doesn't quite speak as I'd expect, seems a little too down to earth. And Slott is actually making me like Jocasta.
I give this issue a 4.5/5 it loses points for heavy use of magic - and I hate magicy stuff. Also the art has some rough spots. I had high expectations for this issue and it matched them.
All I'm going to say is, because I haven't read the book, that I've seen pics of Hank's new costume and it looks absolutely idiotic. Bleech.
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Too bad he probably won't carry on Jan's tradition of wear a bijillion different outfits.....
No sumviews this week for me. I think I'm done with those for awhile. *gasp*. Anyway, these are all reviews and some contain spoilers...hence the tags.
Mighty Avengers #21:
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Interesting set up and I can't wait to see the story behind Wanda's return. I really wish we got a few more looks into the Maximoffs before they got thrown into this story though. Perhaps if Marvel weren't so event happy of late.... Anyway, the art was okish, but there were definitely some rough spots. I wasn't happy with Hercules portrayal, but I think that can be fixed with time. Though, Slott could have just read Incredible Herc and basically used that as a template for Cho and Herc. The inclusion of Hulk is very interesting to me. He's still savage, but I didn't think anyone outside of Loeb would be able to touch him. Tis a good read with tons of cameos. 3.5
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These books seem to read through very quickly. It's an interesting idea, though I don't think many people will like the way he gained his powers (organic webs, mystical spider-esque thing). It's cool to see a more hardened Peter and how he took Ulrich's alias as "The Spider" and adapted it to himself. Even more surprising was what JJJ did in this issue. 3 out of 5.
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This issue splits between Rogue and her thoughts and Gambit and Xavier. It's a set up issue and not a lot happens, but you get a few references to continuity especially in Rogue's segment. She spends most of the issue trying to be alone as a Woman follows her around. This issue ushers in the return of Danger and we learn that Emma apparently DIDN'T keep her word if you remember Astonishing X-men, Whedon's run. Meanwhile, Xavier and Gambit hunt down Rogue and have small talk. The Shiar also factor into this issue during Rogue's part. Another quick read and, other than setting up a few plot points, nothing of great interest happened. 2
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The cover was one of the worst Astonishing covers I've seen since the Third volume started. I'm so tired of the mysteriously flowing hair Emma and Storm have. It needs to stop. I think it's a problem that I DON'T remember what happened in the last continuity issue and Ghostboxes doesn't even register with me right now. Regardless, Emma and Storm actually get along in this story and Beast and Cyclops bring up past references regarding Forge (Storm/Forge, Cyclops and his trust of forge, and Beast/Forge in Endangered Species). In fact, a bunch of Forge history is referenced and he's basically made out to be someone that caused problems and fixed the wrong ones (specifically the "powerless" storm era which Emma just learned about this issue). Anyway, all 6 of the x-men, in groups of two, are attacked via ambush and we get some minor semi-confusing fight scenes. All the Forge references are finally brought into the light when the X-men's attackers learn the Astonishing Team work with...Forge. This is probably the most action heavy issue, but the art was so distracting to me that I found myself looking at a few panels over again just to figure out what was going on. I then realized that I cared so little that moving on was the best answer to that problem. Compared to the last few issues, this one was better, but the overhanded dropping of Forge's name and his continuity were bothering me and it was kind of odd since it wasn't happening prehand. Not to mention that it took Beast this long to tell Cyclops about his talks with Forge from before Messiah Complex? Seems like something that'd take place months ago and not during a mission just before another attack. Still, it's an ok read. 3.
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In comparison to Astonishing's cover, this one works. I can actually tell what's going on and the art is clear...even if it does have Emma. This is ultimately just another Dark Reign tie in. It involves most of the big players. Emma, Norman, Drunk Tony, and Namor are all there at the hellfire club. This appears to be the first time Namor and Emma have actually met and he takes a liking to her. The story jumps back and forth through time between Emma and Namor. It's actually a bit interesting and Emma seems to be pretty mad at her bed buddy. Speaking of bed...what an interesting revelation that was revealed in this book regarding Emma, a bed, and Namor. I wonder what Cyclops and Susan would think of such things. Anyway, as the story continues along, tension grows between Shaw and Namor and they become rivals. Shaw is so upset that he even has Emma's mind wiped and she only regained this memory after she was left comatose by Jean (Dark Phoenix Saga). To prove her loyalty to Namor in the present day, she proposes to summon Shaw to them and Namor can get his revenge. Shaw shows up and the two reminisce...seconds before Emma cuts off his head. Or did she? You'll have to find out.
Very good read. Who'd have thought that an annual that only had Emma appear, the only X-man in the whole book, could be good, and it's only a history tie-up + a Dark reign tie-in. The art works for the story, but I think it could be a little better in several parts. It's nice to see Namor actually involved in X-men stories considering he is a mutant. Anyway, I'd consider this the best Uncanny issue since.................a long time. 4 out 5. You Emma lovers will love it. If only because she has depth...something she's been lacking.
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Anthology books are a mixed bag, but I can say for the most part, this series has failed to really connect with me in any way, shape, or form. Iceman's story was way too long and could have been done as a subplot in an actual X-book. The resolution just...was a let down. At least no one fought this time around. I STILL don't know the point behind Avalanche's story other than being an update situation. As for Dazzler's story, it only serves as an interquel between New Excalibur and Uncanny X-men. It basically puts her back into her status quo of singer. 1 out 5. No story stood out. No reason to grab it.
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Interesting idea. Fun, light hearted stories where the villains get the shine time. So much shine time that they even outdo Ironman and Dr. Strange...somehow. The portrayals of these characters are much different and comical than the ones you'll see in mainstream. It's kind of like an adventure/first class book in a way. I think it's an interesting concept, but it won't hold anyone's attention long unless they're actively looking for this sort of thing. Or maybe I'm wrong and it'll be in the ballpark of Modok's 11? 2.5 out of 5.
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This issue was readable. That's not to say it was bad, but I care very little for the characters involved outside of Wolverine...and he's waned a lot on me in current times. It turns out what Daken did last issue was planned, but he's still not fully keen on his father. I read that I should read this issue before Dark Avengers and I did. It certainly DID put things in perspective. I think I might actually be interested in what Way has coming up...maybe. 3 out of 5.
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First thing that came to mind...Bendis...second thing...tons of dialogue that rivals Claremont. This book basically is Norman putting his team into place with some flashbacks to last week. The Dark Avengers are Sentry, Ares, Moonstone (Ms. Marvel), Venom (spider-man), Bullseye (Hawkeye), Daken (Wolverine), Nor-vahh (Marvel), and Norman. Nothing else of considerable note really happens other than everyone being recruited into the team. Though, I do have to wonder about Tony keeping all his Iron armors in one central location. It's a nice start to the series. 3 out of 5.
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http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19645 - Paul Cornell talks vampires in his next story-arc of CB&MI13
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19556 - Stryfe is back...and X-force may be in trouble!
http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=11571 - Ultimate Spider-man...over?
http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=11630 - Ultimate She-hulk...she exists?!
I loved the UXM Annual, I hated Mighty Avengers ( I just thought it was too on the nose and I am ticked about how the Young Avengers have been treated), I liked Astonishing X-Men and I'm sure I will think Dark Avengers is ok but hate a lot of it secretly.
I gotta say that I really like X-Men/Spider-Man. The artist reminds me of a cross between Golden and Windsor-Smith for some reason.
What word of Emma's didn't she keep from Whedon's run on Astonishing?
I think Dark Avengers is weird. It's basically the premise of the Thunderbolts (from back in the day) - villains (minus Sentry) posing as heros. Speaking of the Sentry, someone needs to do something about that plot device - because he's not much of a character. And I forget, is his wife still alive, or was she a skrull? And really, how stupid are the governments of Marvel Universe? Norman Osborn doesn't have anyone overseeing this decision to give a team of psychotics free reign?
Manifest Destiny was largely pointless. I'm so sick of Mystique - I mean, she can look like other people and she'd psychotic, and that's somehow a defence against Iceman, probably one of the most powerful X-men? She should have been dead & stayed dead after the recent Wolverine storyline, at least for a few years.
Mighty Avengers bugged me too - the Young Avengers have been getting the short end of the stick for some time, the Scarlett Witch is another character I've always hated, and Hank Pym doesn't do much for me either (so this issue's little love-fest for him fell flat). Hercules & Amadeus Cho weren't nearly as well-written as in Incredible Hercules, and what does USAgent bring to the team - a shield? Because in what other ways is he like Cap? At least the Hulk is out from under Loeb's thumb a little, even if he is retconned back into idiocy. I'm not a big fan of magic super-villains either because it's usually just an excuse for logic & reason to get thrown out the window.
Quote from: Talavar on January 22, 2009, 07:42:35 PM
What word of Emma's didn't she keep from Whedon's run on Astonishing?
Final arc of his run, and I brought this up in the last thread as well, Emma promised Danger that if it/she helped them, she'd take her/it to Xavier. It didn't happen. Unresolved.
So, Carey picked it back up with Rogue in the place of Emma.
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Manifest Destiny was largely pointless. I'm so sick of Mystique - I mean, she can look like other people and she'd psychotic, and that's somehow a defence against Iceman, probably one of the most powerful X-men? She should have been dead & stayed dead after the recent Wolverine storyline, at least for a few years.
See Pod! Someone else does agree with me! :P
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I'm surprised no one responded to Ultimate Spidey possibly being canceled (and relaunched...). I'd also like to comment on X-factor, but I probably won't until next week. Twas quite an issue though.
Quote from: Talavar on January 22, 2009, 07:42:35 PM
I think Dark Avengers is weird. It's basically the premise of the Thunderbolts (from back in the day) - villains (minus Sentry) posing as heros. Speaking of the Sentry, someone needs to do something about that plot device - because he's not much of a character. And I forget, is his wife still alive, or was she a skrull? And really, how stupid are the governments of Marvel Universe? Norman Osborn doesn't have anyone overseeing this decision to give a team of psychotics free reign?
What what what! Noh Varr isn't a villain. The implies he's done something evil (which he most certainly has not)! Yeah so what he tried to conquer the Earth (he's like the US, we mean well by destroying other people's government but at our core we think we are spreading our awesome ideas!) but he's a young man and like all men his age he was confused when he came into contact with a foreign people).
Ares hasn't been a true villain in a while (since before his mini). Yeah so what he fights with Herc (Havok and Cyke use to fight all the time but neither is seen as villain) and he's killed hundreds if not thousands of people and fought the Avengers (Wolverine has a huge death toll and he's even fought the X-Men a few times) but he's a God and Gods are above good and evil, especially ones who govern over war. I mean come on, Thor fought for the Nazis and no one calls him "evil" which we all know Nazis most certainly were.
Quote from: Talavar on January 22, 2009, 07:42:35 PM
Norman Osborn doesn't have anyone overseeing this decision to give a team of psychotics free reign?
That's part of Osbourne's plan... He was given the keys of the kingdom for being a "war hero" so he is playing up the fact that he revamped The Avengers under his banner while on the other hand declares the originals are pretenders (or Skrull imposters if he has to push for a "Wanted: Dead Or Alive" warrent for them later). As far as the government and general public know the Thunderbolts are locked away in their cells until he needs the old team in public view again. And by making Venom appear as Spider-Man in public he can unleash him in a crowd against a villian but score revenge points on the real hero by declaring that his unheroic actions are just living up to the "menace" that The Bugle always declared he was. ("My apologies that 34 people were hurt during Spider-Man's battle with Zzax.. HAMMER will make sure the damage is repaired and pay for the medical bills of those injured. He will be punished for his bad decisions during the operation and will be dealt with severly. I will not have anyone on my team acting irresponsible or using bad judgement.")
Even though I enjoyed mighty avengers, I have to agree with those who're saying the Young Avengers are getting the shaft time and again. They're by far my favorite superteam, and I wish somebody would get his act together and bring back their own series.
My youthful idealism, though, gives me hope that perhaps with the return of Wanda, it could lead into a new YA series, or at least more of a spotlight on Wiccan (possibly Hulkling by extension?) and Speed.
You're right dude... like whats up with Young X-men, Nick's Secret Avenger's Avenger's Initiative, etc. when the Young Avengers aren't getting enough page time(screen time, etc) they're a solid group of characters that took the derivative character and challenged it in an innovative way. yet they get the shaft again and again... the runaways are like this too. but i feel they work better in their own continuity. Young Avengers deserve better.
Quote from: detourne_me on January 22, 2009, 09:53:43 PM
You're right dude... like whats up with Young X-men, Nick's Secret Avenger's Avenger's Initiative, etc. when the Young Avengers aren't getting enough page time(screen time, etc) they're a solid group of characters that took the derivative character and challenged it in an innovative way. yet they get the shaft again and again... the runaways are like this too. but i feel they work better in their own continuity. Young Avengers deserve better.
While I have no problem with Secret Avengers (I see them as the Outsiders of Marvel) and Initiative (like the Titan run from the early 2000's old mentors Astro and a few others teaching the noobs about powers but in this case they are force to learn rather than hilarious mishaps that would happen if someone that age had powers), I am a little annoyed with Young X-Men (thank Ares it is canceled). It felt so forced and the cast stunk.
I think the deal with YA is well they are waiting on Allen and Jimmy. It was there baby and hopefully one day they will come back and work on it again.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on January 22, 2009, 09:59:06 PM
I think the deal with YA is well they are waiting on Allen and Jimmy. It was there baby and hopefully one day they will come back and work on it again.
Yep that's it.
The Young Avengers has been on hold since issue 12 of their series. It is the most annoying and frustrating thing I've probably seen in comics but Marvel decided to wait for Heinberg. In the interim we get little mini-series and guest appearances with little or no development for any of the characters.
But there's hope. Marvel has stated that Heinberg and Cheung are doing a 'Marvel Universe Project' starring the Young Avengers and involving Kang (Iron Lad). Sadly there's no announced timeline on this thing but I'm expecting it in late 2009 to early 2010 (or you know, never). Honestly I'm hoping once it's done that Marvel lets another writer do a new ongoing. Obviously Heinberg is completely unable to work in monthly comics.
So yeah there won't be any true Young Avengers content for a long while.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on January 22, 2009, 08:00:28 PM
Quote from: Talavar on January 22, 2009, 07:42:35 PM
I think Dark Avengers is weird. It's basically the premise of the Thunderbolts (from back in the day) - villains (minus Sentry) posing as heros. Speaking of the Sentry, someone needs to do something about that plot device - because he's not much of a character. And I forget, is his wife still alive, or was she a skrull? And really, how stupid are the governments of Marvel Universe? Norman Osborn doesn't have anyone overseeing this decision to give a team of psychotics free reign?
What what what! Noh Varr isn't a villain. The implies he's done something evil (which he most certainly has not)! Yeah so what he tried to conquer the Earth (he's like the US, we mean well by destroying other people's government but at our core we think we are spreading our awesome ideas!) but he's a young man and like all men his age he was confused when he came into contact with a foreign people).
Ares hasn't been a true villain in a while (since before his mini). Yeah so what he fights with Herc (Havok and Cyke use to fight all the time but neither is seen as villain) and he's killed hundreds if not thousands of people and fought the Avengers (Wolverine has a huge death toll and he's even fought the X-Men a few times) but he's a God and Gods are above good and evil, especially ones who govern over war. I mean come on, Thor fought for the Nazis and no one calls him "evil" which we all know Nazis most certainly were.
Well, I guess Noh-varr isn't a villain (I forgot about him in my first post actually), and Ares isn't one anymore (questionable). The point stands - it's basically the premise of Thunderbolts.
I just read X-Factor, and can't say I particularly enjoyed it. I don't want to spoil it necessarily, but it felt needlessly cruel, and based on a sketchy interpretation of Madrox's powers.
I agree that it was cruel, but based on the fact that the opening pages asked us not to spoil this issue, or the next couple issues, I'm really hoping this is leading up to something really interesting, and this is just the tip of it.
I find it hilarious that we don't have a DC thread :lol:
Quickie reviews today:
X-Force:
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This issue is spent entirely on Eli Bard's origin. He's a dude from Rome that Selene turned into an evil vampire thing. To prove himself to her he's dug up Warpath's tribe (I think including John) and given them the technarc virus making them robozombies, but also Caliban's body which he will use to hunt down dead mutants and offer their souls to Selene. Also Selene has some new allies, we don't see them well but I assume one is Wither, and one really appears to be Blink.
Rating: 2/5 too much time spent on Eli's story. It was worth telling and it's important but I wish it could have been done in less pages and worked a bit more story in. The end sequence helps make up for it and is totally what I expect from X-Force.
Young X-Men:
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This issue is mostly about Cipher, she's a mutant with invisibility and phasing powers. She's overly secretive, and is hiding from a 'he' who thinks she's dead. She's been around since the Morrision era and is friends with Blindfold. Cyclops knows about her, and she's kinda been on the Young X-Men from the beginning.
Also Dust has a week to live and Hank hasn't found a way to help her so she's going to make a deal with Pierce who says he can save her. Why she hasn't just gone to Ink or Elixir I have no idea.
Rating: 2.5/5 I enjoyed reading this more than X-Force and the art pretty good, but I don't really like Cipher. I dislike her retcony nature and I was very disappointed that an issue that was supposed to reveal her origins really only scratched the surface. X-Force delivered much better on the "who the heck is?" story this week. I have this odd feeling that I'm forgetting something else worth noting too...
Avengers: The Initiative:
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Christos Gage's first true solo issue and it feels....pretty much exactly the same - which is a good thing. This issue touches on almost every character still in the series. Most of the secondary recruits (Prodigy, Batwing, Annex) have been promoted to teams (Batwing actually made the Shadow Initiative!?). This kinda disappointed me as I love having those guys around and I really thought some of them would be picking up the slack leftover from the departing cast, but I not worried about it yet as I suspect when this arc is over things won't work out the way they seem. A status quo change is coming. Anyway, Gauntlet is now the base leader by default, the Shadow Initiative is after Hardball and Hydra, Counter Force is now wanted by Osborn, and Ultragirl recieves a C&D for her Ms. Marvel costume.
The bulk of the issue is Ragnarok (Clor) fighting Thor Girl and Trauma (morphed into Thor). Clor beats both of them and is about to kill Gorilla Girl when Counter Force (including Night Thrasher!?) appears to stop him. Also Blitzschlag might be dead, but probably not.
Rating: 4/5. Really enjoyed the issue. It's packed with content which is usually the way I like things and lots of interesting developments. Art is by Ramos and I mostly happy with it. Ramos is an acquired taste but by this time I tend to like his art now. Which is good cause he appears literally everywhere I go. Also I love Justice and my real New Warriors so anytime they should up leaves me smiling.
Amazing Spider-Man Extra 2
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First story is about Anti-Venom. He's fighting drug dealers and it leads him into a fight with Mr. Negative. At the end Eddie learns that Mr. Negative is fact Martin Li.
Rating: 3.5/5. The overall story isn't all that special, but all the little bits with Mr. Negative are very interesting. Mr. Negative is one of the best things about BND Spidey, he's a character I'm truely interested to see where things go with. Anti-Venom is the same way, great way to reinvigorate a tired character like Eddie Brock, but I'm a bit concerned his story won't go anywhere interesting. Art is by Bachalo who is one of my favorites, but I'm finding more and more his art on Spidey is going in a direction I don't like. He's losing that smoothness I loved in his X-Men run. Still His art here mostly works well.
In the second story Wolverine asks Spidey for help but they end up in a bar where Wolverine gets into a fight. Turns out it's really his birthday and Spider-Man was the only one he wanted to spend it with because Spidey doesn't know the real Wolverine.
Rating 1/5. This story is pointless. It's only vaguely interesting in a character piece way, and if it had been the only story in this issue I wouldn't have gotten it. Art is fine, but nothing I'm really excited about.
Well that's my week. How was yours?
Quote from: Podmark on January 29, 2009, 06:00:48 AM
Well that's my week. How was yours?
I read Nova :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
I'M NOT HAPPY!!!!!They have 1 issue to rectify this, or there will be a new Marvel invasion series. Vertex invades the Marvel offices!
So umm.... something happened in Nova?
I just read Incredible Hercules this week, and...did Marvel just kill Wonder Woman?
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Seriously, the villain was the leader of the Amazons, and a statue brought to life as the daughter of Hippolyta.
So I finally got around to reading Deadpool #6. What took so long, right?
I loved it. I "lol'd" about 3-5 times. True Story.
Life is good again. ^_^
Quote from: Vertex on January 29, 2009, 02:25:47 PM
They have 1 issue to rectify this, or there will be a new Marvel invasion series. Vertex invades the Marvel offices!
Based on the fact that Nova and Darkhawk are going to tie into "War Of Kings" I'm pretty sure that things will work out for the better in the end... however previews of upcoming covers are showing that Nova is going on a slight detour after the aftermath of the upcoming issue before he enters the big battle.
- CQ
Am I really that needed to keep this thread afloat?
Black Panther V5 #1:
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How do I put this delicately? It was not a good issue. I guess I should have expected this with Hudlin still at the helm, but I enjoyed BP: SI so much that I had blind hope that this revamp could do something...better than what we had before. There's not much to comment on story-wise as nothing really happened. BP met up with Namor and turned down his offer to join the Dark Reign. Namor warned him that something bad would happen, and in comes Doom. We don't know what happened to BP, as of issue 1, nor do we know who replaces him as there's no signs or hints of that replacement throughout the issue. My biggest gripe with this issue is how bland a few characters came across. I mean, I just read the issue and I don't remember any amazing moments or key scenes, and I'm beginning to question the timeline a bit in regards to Storm, but I'm not going to force the issue.
Bottom line: Pass on this issue. It's really not worth it. 1.5 out of 5. The art kind of saves it...but then again, this was billed as double sized which is a bit misleading. The story is regular size with a bunch of extra stuff (previews) thrown in.
New Exiles #18:
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This is probably one of the worse issues of New Exiles I have ever glanced across. It's the finale, so I guess I was expecting more than basically a repeat of what happened to some members of the old Exiles run. Following the last issue, the book basically speeds to an ending. Kitty is dead, Sage is now connected with the crystal palace, Gambit is now prince of Atlantis in his world after his father died, Rogue stayed on the world from the last arc as she fell in love (in 3 issues...), Morph also fell in love and was gone for a month, but returned to the team in less than 5 pages...it's a bunch of stuff all packed together. Did I even mention that a new recruit also showed up in this issue? There was so much going on in this issue that there's no point in laying it all out. Nothing was really expanded on, no character developed...just a bunch of random situations. Also, I think Sabretooth and Psylocke finally sealed the deal...after surfing.
I...I just don't know what to make of this...so...
0 out of 5. Very disappointing...even for Claremont. Explosive final issue my butt. I recommend that you avoid this book like you'd avoid a virus.
I read some books yesterday, but I'll just do quicky reviews
Young X-Men
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Dust helps Donald Pierce escape because he claims he can help her with her little dying problem. X-Men find out, fight ensues. Dust dies. Intercut with scenes of the future where only six mutants are left (Wolverine, Emma, Anole, Greymalkin, I think Cyclops and someone else) who live on the island of Xaviera, Wolverine is killed by I think Dust.
Story is about as good as you can get with this title. Nothing too outrageous like Phoenix Ink but it's nothing special. I really liked the art though. Sandoval does the present day scenes and Acuna does the future. Both do a great job.
3/5
X-Factor
No spoilers, except to say that something happens that people have been waiting a while for.
Art's good, story is ok, it's the type of thing you should expect out of X-Factor.
3/5
X-Men Kingbreaker 3Spoiler
The new Starjammers reunite on the prison-planet, only to be pursued there by both Vulcan and the Imperial Guard, as well as his psycho-patrol released to hunt Lilandra & Co.
A pretty solid lead-up to the conclusion issue, though I fear this whole thing won't really be resolved as it leads into War of Kings. Did the art change drastically here as well?
Also, what species is Gladiator, or what gave him powers that there being someone else with his powers is so shocking to most people? I need some Shiarr Imperial Guard lore here
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The issue opens with a little more team-establishing, then it's off to Latveria to save Dr. Doom from Morgan Le Fay. Why is Morgan Le Fay mad at Dr. Doom? I'm not really sure. Anyway, the team gets there and Sentry rips Le Fay's head off, only to disappear as a different version of her reappears from the past, in what is some really questionable time travel logic (ie. if you die at point X in the future, you aren't going to know about it farther in the past to come back to the future from and get revenge - that would mean you already had to know you'd die by going to the future, and if you knew that, why would you go?).
Anyway, I'm still not super-impressed with this series. It'll get a little longer from me (first arc at least) as a trial period, but a number of characters have basically done and said nothing so far, and the Sentry needs to have something done about him - he either insta-wins, or he's totally useless.
Quote from: Talavar on February 20, 2009, 04:11:09 AM
Why is Morgan Le Fay mad at Dr. Doom? I'm not really sure.
For the last few years Doom had been seeing Morgan romantically and it was hardly noticed by readers who didn't recognize her right off the bat. Apparently Doom was using her to get access to her spellbooks and her inside knowledge of magics that he never really tried to harness for himself before plus it was a great place to hide out and crash while he was planning to take back his kingdom. Now Morgan figured out she was being used and he never planned on keeping his promises to her when he reappeared as part of the Cabal.. and "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".
- CQ
I found Dark Avengers rather...lite.
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First we get two pages of Morgana deciding not to kill Doom when he was a boy, and those two pages could have been covered by one dialogue balloon saying something like "I could kill Doom when he was a child....but no, that will not do. He must know it's me who kills him, and why". So she wants to kill him as a child,goes there, stands talking to...errr...herself? him asleep? Us? For two pages. But doesn't kill him. Nothing Happens.
Then some Bendistalk where he unsuccessfully impersonates Warren Ellis writing the Thunderbolts, and nothing happens.
Then its the big fight twixt Doom and Morgana with page after page of Bendismagictalk "miftandana pantswriterana" etc etc etc. It's so painful to read that stuff I think I may be crying a little, just remembering it. I will grant that Something Happens here, sort of. Doom loses.
Then it's the big Dark Avengers/Morgana fight, replete with Sentry ripping her head off. Then as noted above the absurd paradox of her claiming to be able to come back to the future before she was killed, and do it again and again, a notion which an amoeba might find a little low-brow after a moments thought. So essentially, Nothing Happens.
Then she makes Generic Alien Spiderman Villain eat someone (Ares, I think, by this point my eyes were glazing over), except of course he doesn't really eat him, because, all-together now...."Nothing Happens!"
If you were to just read it by looking at the pictures, it wouldn't be all that bad. And even with the writing it's only Bendisbad, not truly awful.
I give it 2 out of 5, for the art.
Okay....What in Hell is wrong with Bendis?...
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Why can't the man write a good story? Seriously...Sentry rips off a villain's head? Morgan Le Fay yammering on and on about nothing and doing nothing? Ugh...Is this Bendis' job at Marvel?..To sucker people into buying Avengers books that have nothing substantial in them at 3.99 a pop? I'm so glad I stopped buying anything written by him.
The art was only a 2 out of 5, that's not very good either....Sigh...
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on February 20, 2009, 07:58:13 PM
...Is this Bendis' job at Marvel?..To sucker people into buying Avengers books that have nothing substantial in them at 3.99 a pop?
Actually... yes.
X-Factor 39 & 40 Peter David asked readers not to spoil these issues, but nuts to him. If you don't want to know, don't click the spoiler tag.
Spoiler
So in X-Factor 39, Siryn has Madrox's kid after a difficult labour and an emergency caesarian section. Long story short, Madrox unintentionally aborbs the baby, who was supposedly a duplicate. Siryn goes crazy and attacks Madrox, popping her stitches, then later threatens to kill Madrox if she ever sees him again.
I really disliked this issue. Hated it might be the right sentiment, and here's why: Siryn's pregnancy, difficult labour and the loss of her child before her eyes is all just a subtler variation on the 'women in the refridgerator' syndrome.
For those who don't know, or know a misinterpretation of 'women in the refridgerator' syndrome, it's when there's some act of violence against a female character, solely as a plot device to move along or motivate the male protagonist. It's an ugly form of sensationalist writing, and one I thought Peter David was better than. That, and the fact that whole thing is based on sketchy techno-babble just makes its status as a plot device all the more transparent.
X-Factor 40 has Madrox return to see a dupe he didn't reabsorb, one who became a minister and has a family. Madrox intends to kill himself after being alienated from the rest of the team. The minister-dupe tries to stop him & fails, only for a woman to show up and get Madrox to stop: Layla Miller, all grown up and somehow back from the future.
That ending made me want to say, "What a twist!" ala Robot Chicken, though I'll admit, it does intrigue me. I initially decided X-factor would get 1 more issue to turn things around for me after 39, or I was dropping the book. While I still may drop it - the bloom is definitely off this rose - I'm on-board for at least one more.
Quote from: Talavar on February 22, 2009, 04:54:20 AM
X-Factor 39 & 40 Peter David asked readers not to spoil these issues, but nuts to him. If you don't want to know, don't click the spoiler tag.
Spoiler
So in X-Factor 39, Siryn has Madrox's kid after a difficult labour and an emergency caesarian section. Long story short, Madrox unintentionally aborbs the baby, who was supposedly a duplicate. Siryn goes crazy and attacks Madrox, popping her stitches, then later threatens to kill Madrox if she ever sees him again.
I really disliked this issue. Hated it might be the right sentiment, and here's why: Siryn's pregnancy, difficult labour and the loss of her child before her eyes is all just a subtler variation on the 'women in the refridgerator' syndrome.
For those who don't know, or know a misinterpretation of 'women in the refridgerator' syndrome, it's when there's some act of violence against a female character, solely as a plot device to move along or motivate the male protagonist. It's an ugly form of sensationalist writing, and one I thought Peter David was better than. That, and the fact that whole thing is based on sketchy techno-babble just makes its status as a plot device all the more transparent.
X-Factor 40 has Madrox return to see a dupe he didn't reabsorb, one who became a minister and has a family. Madrox intends to kill himself after being alienated from the rest of the team. The minister-dupe tries to stop him & fails, only for a woman to show up and get Madrox to stop: Layla Miller, all grown up and somehow back from the future.
That ending made me want to say, "What a twist!" ala Robot Chicken, though I'll admit, it does intrigue me. I initially decided X-factor would get 1 more issue to turn things around for me after 39, or I was dropping the book. While I still may drop it - the bloom is definitely off this rose - I'm on-board for at least one more.
I find it a bit amusing that more people spoke out against what Pete David did in X-factor than what he did in She-hulk a few issues ago during the Lady Libs arc. ^^. Anyway, X-factor 39 is passed the expiration date, but issue 40 is still fresh, so I'll stay vague. Issue 40 was very mediocre and dark until the final page. If it wasn't for that final page, I don't know if I could recommend the last two issues because I'm very wary of books that rely too heavily on twist endings and shockers. Sure, it may get you to talking...but it also feels cheap.
I'm about of a mind that when the day comes that Joe Q is no longer in charge, if someone sane takes over as EIC, the first thing they need to do is say "Okay, EVERYTHING that happened under that moron fanboy who proceeded me NEVER happened!". The second thing? Fire Bendis, or ban him from working on anything outside the Ultimate line.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 22, 2009, 05:27:04 AM
I find it a bit amusing that more people spoke out against what Pete David did in X-factor than what he did in She-hulk a few issues ago during the Lady Libs arc. ^^. Anyway, X-factor 39 is passed the expiration date, but issue 40 is still fresh, so I'll stay vague. Issue 40 was very mediocre and dark until the final page. If it wasn't for that final page, I don't know if I could recommend the last two issues because I'm very wary of books that rely too heavily on twist endings and shockers. Sure, it may get you to talking...but it also feels cheap.
i've been trying to find this ref, what did he do in she hulk during the ll arc?
She Hulk, Jazinda, Sue Storm, Valkyrie?, and some nutcase named Thundra band together to take care of a humanitarian aid problem. She Hulk literally gets captured and tied to the villain's bed..... somehow he'd managed to come up with a (daterapeish) drug that could subdue her and used it as a gas grenade. she then had to hope Jazinda rescued her before something happened.....
Quote from: bearded on February 22, 2009, 10:30:40 AM
i've been trying to find this ref, what did he do in she hulk during the ll arc?
What Marhawk said...but I wrote a whole post (http://freedomreborn.net/forums/index.php?topic=48952.msg668347#msg668347) on it earlier in this thread. Just check that out.
Hmm *reads* actually the reverse has been done in the past. It's just that it doesn't seem to have quite the same impact...
Ok, what about poor Hulk during the Maestro storyline? He was paralyzed and the Betty lookalike slave had her, umm... way with him as he was helpless. I believe Peter David was responsible for that too?
The difference between X-factor 39 and the recent She-hulk storyline is that, as horrible as a sexual assault would be, is that it's not just happening to her give the actual main character something to do - She-hulk is the main character.
By bringing up Women in Refridgerator syndrome, I'm not saying fiction shouldn't ever deal with bad things that may happen to women, I'm saying that they shouldn't be used so often as simple devices to move the plot along for another, male, character.
My point was that whatever you may think of Siryn's storyline (which was used to finally answer a question related to Jamie from early on), Pete's She-hulk story (where he made a normie more powerful by adding an extra dimension that was not needed to push a point home) was worse scene-wise, imo. Both were cruel-worthy, but at least what happened to Siryn served a purpose in some regards and helped forward some part of the x-factor lore. What did She-hulk's scene really serve storywise? I had more written, but it enters heavy territory, so I'll save it.
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On the light side, previews:
NC: Quitting time (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6982) - This interview does nothing for me. It actually makes me dislike the idea a bit more than I already did.
Messiah War (http://comics.ign.com/articles/955/955579p1.html)
Actually I thought the "answer" was STUPID! Um, seriously the child is half Siryn. How do you absorb someone else?
Quote from: marhawkman on February 24, 2009, 06:06:07 PM
Actually I thought the "answer" was STUPID! Um, seriously the child is half Siryn. How do you absorb someone else?
Exactly! And really, a child is
genetically half the mother, but
physically about 99.99% contributed by the mother.
*Pulls out his classic X-Men and goes back to ignoring modern comics* :wacko:
eh, when it comes to scientific matters in non-scientific books, I tend to ignore it unless it's really pushing the boundaries of common sense. I mean, we're arguing about a guy that can pop out a clone with different personality traits. A guy that has produced a clone in someone before...but for killing purposes. But then again, I did say I was wary of books that rely on shockers and twist endings, which is what PAD is skirting on as of now. When he finishes tying up all his plots, then I'll have more definite thoughts on his storylines, ramifications, character development, and specifically, this Jamie/Siryn/M situation.
The Layla one sounds cool. this one was not. :(
Read some comics today.
X-Force 12:Spoiler
Bastion is using the Leper Queen to get the Sapien League to abduct mutants (so far Beautiful Dreamer and Fever Pitch) and infect them with the new Legacy Virus, unleashing them on staged rallies for the Friends of Humanity. The mutants die of the virus but take hundreds of humans with them due to it causing flair-ups with their powers. Thus anti-mutant feelings are increased, more mutants die, and Bastion distracts the X-Men from his true objective.
Cyclops finds out about this, and sends X-Force in teams of two to different rallies trying to stop the them. X-23 and Archangel are caught in Fever Pitch's explosive flair-up.
Earlier, Cyclops meets with Beast. Hank has built as short use portable time travel device. Scott wants 7 of them. Beast is suspicious.
Wolfsbane is MIA having run off with her Asgardian wolf prince.
Tying into Young X-Men, Bastion uses Donald Pierce to learn everything about the X-Men's new base.
I enjoyed the issue. A new scary threat, insight into Bastion and his cabal, tying into the rest of the X-line (as poor as the rest may be). And some good art. A solid 4/5.
Next month Hellion guest stars; possibly for the last time...
Avengers: The Initiative 22:Spoiler
The New Warriors show up to fight Clor - the real New Warriors...or as close as we're going to get. Doesn't really go too well though and the rest of the heroes have to help. And that doesn't go to well either. It takes the death of one of the remaining Scarlet Spiders and the return of a rejuvenated Baron Von Blitzschlag to convince him he is in fact a clone/android. Clor leaves heading to Asgard to destroy it.
Trauma and Thor Girl are both fine.
Justice reveals the real reason the New Warriors returned to Camp Hammond: to retrieve the body of MVP.
The Shadow Initiative are caught by Hardball who now has Scorpion as his new squeeze.
I love the Scarlet Spiders, so I'm pretty sad about Michael's death.
Enjoyed this too. It's mostly just a big fight scene, but basically the whole cast appears and we get little tidbits here and there for most of the main-er characters - which is the type of thing I like about this book.
Another thing I realized reading this book is that a big fight scene with a guy like Chor is so much more tense to read in a book like this. None of these guys are A-list characters, it's so much easier for a writer to kill or maim any of them that I'm honestly worried turning each page about what could happen. And that's a good thing in my book. I pretty much love the whole cast here from Justice down to Gorilla Girl - I don't want anything to happen to them.
Art is by Ramos, it's funky, but I like it. 4/5
Mighty Avengers 22:Spoiler
Through flashback we're shown that Modred manipulated Quicksilver into getting the Darkhold for him and used his body as the host for Chthon, the god of chaos.
After a little scuffle, Hulk won't work with the assembled heroes and runs off. Jocasta was damaged in the fight and Hank stops to repair her. The remaining heroes are told by a villager where Modred is and go to fight him. Modred summons some kind of rock minions that the heroes can't seem to beat.
Meanwhile Hulk has run into Iron Man, who he still blames for Planet Hulk. Iron Man manages to beat Hulk by igniting the giant rocket he used to get there.
Modred is distracted by his prisoner Bova and the arriving Iron Man knocks him out with a repulser blast. Dropping off Banner's unconscious body, he says he'll take charge of the situation.
Bova holds the Darkhold book - it's words are currently on Modred as part of his spell and Quicksilver is stuck within the book.
Didn't enjoy this issue as much as the first. The art is worse, and Pham was inconsistent to begin with. Also it's all about magic gobbledygook - which I'm rarely a fan of. Still I'm enjoying the team interaction and I'm sure I'll enjoy this book alot more when we're out of the magic stuff. 3/5
By all rights, I should have really enjoyed Mighty Avengers #22 a lot more than I did. Just because it's not Bendis writing it. But I too felt the art was a bit lacking, it felt sketchy and like layouts rather than full art some of the time. It was serviceable enough, I guess, I could tell who was who and what was happening, but it didn't really appeal to me.
The story was OK, but felt oddly disconnected from current Marvel continuity somehow, even though they had definite points to establish it in continuity.
I should be a lot more excited by a "proper" avengers book. But the new wasp looks wrong to me and seems to be exactly the same powerset as yellowjacket was, so it's just pointless and a little creepy, almost like Hank was wearing Jan's old costumes. Jocasta seems off somehow, maybe that's her new character but I don't quite know who she is or what she can do anymore. USAgent was last seen in Omega flight but that seems completely forgotten about now, I can't remember much about it, anyway. I have no idea about the Hulk anymore, and he seems "unreal" somehow. Is he WWHulk? Red Hulk? Dumb Old Hulk? I don't know. Iron Man I've pretty much come to loathe as an autocratic corrupt incompetent. Quicksilver and the Scarlet witch have been pretty much ruined and diluted to the point where I have no idea what their powers and characters are anymore. Stature is OK but I don't care about her one way or the other and her powers are a redundancy with Pym on the team. Hercules and Cho I'm OK with.
Now, none of these minus points about the characters are down to Slott himself. I absolve him of blame for the fact that I no longer know about or care about 90% of the Marvel Universe. And he is starting to make me want to read an Avengers book again (Initiative doesn't count as an Avengers book to me).
It does feel different to the Bendis era, and better. Maybe it will take a longer period of time to wash away the bad memories.
Of course, Busiek and Perez did it in their first issue, and I liked Slott's first issue, but Pham is no Perez, by a long long way.
I didn't particularly enjoy Mighty or New Avengers and it really hurts the story for me to see dialogue and scenes repeated week after week. I understand the point of it...but for the same scenes from a week or two ago to still be playing out this week is a bit annoying for me personally. Regardless, Mighty Avengers was very meh for me (3) only because Hercules's voice is still a bit off and it's not very engaging as of the moment. I'm not so sure that the book should have started off with this plot especially considering QS has been off panel since his one shot where he randomly got his original powers back. I think he needed more time to expand before being thrust back into a story where he ends up trapped/body kidnapped. I guess the same thing could be said about Scarlet Witch who hasn't been touched on since.........development wise, Beast and Hawkeye sought her out...storywise, Young Avengers presents. As for the Hulk situation, I think that should have been handled a long time ago. It should have been done in his book...unfortunately, he shares half of that book with Red Hulk and Banner basically gets no plot outside of "chasing Red Hulk".
As for New...um...I don't really remember the bulk of it except the New Avengers standing around watching the broadcast from...2 weeks ago? Well, I remember the basic plot, but I wasn't impressed by it. At the very least, everyone will know about Daken (Wolverine's son) much quicker than I imagined they would. Seeing Daken actually interact with other villains and attempt to get along with them (considering how that has worked out in the past) could be interesting...if anyone ever gets around to giving him his own personality and not just "angst-ridden Logan lite". This is also a 3 for me. Oh, I guess Clint's media speech at the end of the book about Norman and his regime could make some people happy.
Count me in as let down by both New & Mighty Avengers. For a 50th issue, New Avenger was nothing special (they fight Hood's gang again - yay?), and Mighty Avengers just seems...scattered. The team is all over the place, with power-redundancies & sketchy character choices, characterization seems flat, and the plot just isn't doing it for me.
Of more enjoyment was
Nova 22Spoiler
Last time, Richard was depowered by the Worldmind, who's majorly recruiting for the Nova Corps, and doubts were raised as to Richie's sanity after so long with the entire nova force in him.
In this issue, we learn that Richie's not the one with sanity issues - the Worldmind seems to have gone round the bend. The new centurions are being subtly mind-controlled, and threaten Richard when he discovers it.
This is still one of Marvel's best books, hands down. I hope the current issue is resolved well.
Edit: and is it just me, or does Runaways suck now?
She-Hulk #38:
"Book's canceled." The fact that PAD worked that into the final page is a plus! The final issue was good. It wasn't perfect, but it was a much better read than the final issue of New Exiles...but that's not saying much. It's really nice to see how strong Shulk and Jazinda's friendship is and it's even better to see the book end on a positive note with the core team of the Lady Liberators (depending on how you see the Red Hulk version of the LL's). There's not much to say without spoiling the book, but it was a fun ride while it lasted. Maybe one day the book will be relaunched...for the 900th time. The only slight against it, I guess, would be that the art/colors could be a bit better, but it is still worthy of a 3 out of 5!
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Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk #3...yes, it does still exist!: CLICK (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20194)
Deadpool: Suicide King: Click (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.7034.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_Deadpool~colon~_Suicide_King_%231)
War of the Kings #1: Click (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19832)
I didn't mind New Avengers bad because I honestly like the way Luke and Jessica are written and I like the Hood. The Initiative was ok.
I did however find Dark Avengers and Mighty Avengers hard to enjoy especially since I love Ares and Marvel Boy...I mean Captain Marvel. I'm still confused why Noh-Varr would join this team. Ares makes sense but Noh-Varr should be either trying to discover his way (especially after the Captain Skrull-vell thing) instead he hangs out with twisted version of good characters. If that is the path they want to take Noh-Varr to it would be completely against who the character is. He isn't a villain despite his attempt at conquering New York, he's a confused, Kree youth who has no place to go but wants to live up he barely understands. Also does he have new powers now because he should be eating garbage and spitting mind-control toxins are people.
Also I demand a Thor versus Ares comic drawn by Oliver Coipel!
Wolverine Origins #33:
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This issue focuses solely on tying up Wolverine's past with the guest stars of Nick Fury and the X-men. Nick Fury wants Wolverine to give him information on Daken and in return, Nick will give Wolverine information on Weapon X and Romulus. Meanwhile, Cyclops takes the "wolverine killing blade", whose name I forgot, plus a team of X-men (which included Armor, NC, Colossus, and Cannonball) to meet with and threaten Daken. Wolverine and Nick Fury come to the conclusion that Daken and/or Romulus want this to happen so that the blade can be stolen and merged with Daken's claws so that he can become the new ultimate killing weapon. End.
Um...no. This book works fine for what it is, but all the retconning of Wolverine's history to now tie it into the Hudsons (a secret revealed in this book is that Wolverine and his son are Hudsons and his mother was Elizabeth Hudson...so it ties him in more with Alpha Flight as well) and Romulus is complicated. Sometimes things work better with a simpler approach and I see this reveal being retconned like all the other Wolverine reveals/history flubs. My major problem rests solely on Daken though. Way and the rest of the writers that touch him aren't even trying to make him an interesting "
NEW" character. For all purposes, he's just a younger, worse-looking, Wolverine...a mere clone with actual Logan DNA. He should have been the one to bite the dust instead of Sabretooth. I said it. :P Tis a 2...out of 5.
well, they said something about Daken wanting Adamantium and "sort of" getting it, but not quite the way he wanted. Maybe this means he won't actually get the sword?
Eh, Sabretooth biting the dust was long overdue - but that doesn't mean that Daken shouldn't join him on the scrap heap.
It's too early to kill Daken. He needs to simmer for a while. Maybe get semi written off temporarily.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on February 27, 2009, 06:05:21 PM
I didn't mind New Avengers bad because I honestly like the way Luke and Jessica are written and I like the Hood. The Initiative was ok.
I did however find Dark Avengers and Mighty Avengers hard to enjoy especially since I love Ares and Marvel Boy...I mean Captain Marvel. I'm still confused why Noh-Varr would join this team. Ares makes sense but Noh-Varr should be either trying to discover his way (especially after the Captain Skrull-vell thing) instead he hangs out with twisted version of good characters. If that is the path they want to take Noh-Varr to it would be completely against who the character is. He isn't a villain despite his attempt at conquering New York, he's a confused, Kree youth who has no place to go but wants to live up he barely understands. Also does he have new powers now because he should be eating garbage and spitting mind-control toxins are people.
Also I demand a Thor versus Ares comic drawn by Oliver Coipel!
As far as Noh-Varr goes, I assume the name change is a result of 1) Osborn wanting to portray a more powerful and experienced image, and 2) because Mavel Boy (Bob Grayson) is currently active with the Agents of Atlas.
Also, if you've read Ms. Marvel, (i believe) she confronted Noh-Varr and questioned him about his adoption of the Captain Marvel mantle, as well as his involvement with Osborn. His somewhat cryptic responses seem to indicate that he knows all about Osborn and that he's not in it to be his puppet, so hopefully that aspect will be played up.
Also, I completely agree about Thor vs. Ares.
Secret Warrriors 2 Spoiler
I'd like to like this book - I like Nick Fury mainly, and the concept is a servicable one - but I think the result is pretty dumb. Hydra apparently has secretly run Shield since its creation. Um, okay - how? Seriously, how does Hydra have the manpower and resources to pull this crap off? All those defeats by various Marvel superheros over the years, that didn't leave a dent? I mean, in the Marvel universe Hydra's got to be the equivalent of Al Qaeda, yet we're supposed to believe people are lining up to join. That's dumb. With the number of heroes in the Marvel universe, and the resources they can bring to bear, Hydra should be meagerly scraping by on the margins of existence, but instead Baron Stucker destroys an undersea city of 15 000 Hydra members because there were a couple of Skrull infiltrators, and doesn't even care - they're disposable. Dumb.
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This was more enjoyable - the Starjammers flee the Shiar into Kree space (kind of spoiling the end of Kingbreaker) and attend the beginning of Crystal's wedding to Ronan the Accuser. The Shiar use an infiltrator to take down the Kree force field, then attack with the Imperial Guard and their space fleet. Lilandra gets captured and the Imperial Guard retreats, and the Inhumans are ticked off. It's all setup for the rest of the mini-series, but my only major complaint is that Vulcan doesn't have a lot of motivation here. Sure, he wants to kill Lilandra and the Starjammers, but attacking all of Kree space and using their most destructive weapons on Kree planets seems to be pretty generically eeeviiil.
SW2 is ridiculous, but I think that Strucker wasn't intending to kill everyone, just destroy the base.
WoK has shown quite vividly that Vulcan is Nuts. Then again he was always nuts.... He was raised by a maniac after all....
Quote from: marhawkman on March 06, 2009, 03:05:10 PM
WoK has shown quite vividly that Vulcan is Nuts. Then again he was always nuts.... He was raised by a maniac after all....
He was artificially aged and raised a slave.
I liked War of Kings #1, but I'm a fan of Abnett and Lanning's work. Check out their Warhammer 40K novels if you have the chance.
Highlight on...NamorIt's been awhile since I've actually done an indepth review, so pardon me if I'm rusty. I just finished reading all the issues back to back, so I think I can actually talk about this book now since the last issue came out last week. So...let's go!
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Though his name may hold the title, make no mistake, as this is not a Namor led story. It's about a man, Dr. Randolph Stein, as he joins a crew of "deep sea men" in the search of Atlantis. Not because he has any interest in finding it, but because he specializes in disproving myths and legends such as that of the legendary abominable snowman. In this Marvel Knights title by Peter Milligan of X-force fame and Art by Esad Ribic, whom you might know from Wolverine, Loki, or Silver Surfer fame, we learn that Namor is not the heroic, but arrogant, man we know of from WWII, but is seemingly a horrible underwater myth. He's a creature of the night that will do anything to protect his underwater kingdom of Atlantis. And so it begins...
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The book takes a much different approach to Namor and his world than what I initially expected. Instead of a world full of heroics, we are plopped down in a setting that is dominated by realism and rational thought. The age of reason and science, if you will. When the scientific community gets wind of a scientist, Dr. Marlowe, finding Atlantis while on an underwater search through a video reel that was sent up before the man disappeared, they feel it is only right that Dr. Stein set foot on an adventure to prove rather or not it exists. Stein, never one to ignore a challenge, accepts and the story begins.
Stein's time at sea is a very long one. He's not a seaman and being in the ocean makes him sick. His crew members are all believers of the superstition of Namor, but Stein completely rebels against every aspect of the myth, which causes immediate tension between him and the men he leads. He theorizes that the men are simply imagining it as a way to maintain their sanity as they go deeper into depths of the sea. It takes several odd moments of Stein either seeing or dreaming about Namor for his beliefs to begin to be shaken. As the stakes rise from issue to issue, Stein finds it harder and more difficult to believe that Namor and his kingdom do not exist.
The climax of the story is where the book really begins to become interesting. Dr. Stein and his men find Dr. Marlowe upon his ship, but Marlowe is the only one left alive. It's here that the reader learns for sure that Atlantis does exist, but Stein continues to debunk it. This is the point in the story where tensions between Stein and his crew begin to rise to a boil. It's where we get to see how shady Dr. Stein really is as a person and a scientist. It's also one of the only points the book gives us more than a few panels of Namor's presence as Stein comes face to face with him. It's the setting off point that leads to Stein making several tough decisions that could put his life and career on the line once and for all. I'll leave you guessing as to what happened with him, if you can't already guess, but all five issues were a pleasure to read.
The art really helped to set the tone of this book, which I would describe as dark and realistic. You wouldn't think that much could be done with the underwater/submarine/outpost settings, but I think Esad really pulled it off in a way that would draw you into the story without being distracting. I did find some shots involving Namor to be odd, but for the most part, it was all done effectively. If I had to really describe this book in a word or so, I think it'd fit under thriller or suspense. Namor is rarely seen in the first 4 issues and he's always hiding in the darkness of the sea or in the imagination of the men. Namor himself, when you finally get a glance of his full posture, is a different being. More creature of the sea, less human of the land. I equate him to being a shark of a man quite literally. Namor in the mainstream universe may be a tough character, but this version can be seen as utterly ruthless.
The book does have some problems. Stein spends several issues speaking about his dead lover, Annie, that we never learn much about. He apparently did something horrible to her, but every time he's about to reveal what he's done, something dramatic happens. I also wish more time was spent on certain aspects of Namor especially near the end. It's not a lot, but just some things that came to mind immediately.
In the end, one would think that a book named "Sub-Mariner" would feature more..."Sub-Mariner". It doesn't and, considering the tone and themes, it works. This isn't really a book about Namor, but a book about an initially sympathetic character and his self-appointed job of dispelling myths and legends. When he can no longer do his job and all his rationality starts to cave in on him, what's a man to do but question his own beliefs and morality? Tis a
4.5 out of 5. Go get it.
NC: Quitting time/Manifest Destiny: NC
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Nightcrawler is quitting the X-men because he no longer feels needed as Pixie surpasses him in her skills with teleportation. Not only that, he has no reason to stay as the X-men are no longer teachers either. Cyclops tries to reason with Kurt, but he'll have none of it. He's off to Winzeldorf to check out a memorial or museum that was set up in his honor. Unfortunately, no one really seems to be all that happy to see him. NC checks out the museum and meets his biggest fan, a female he saved during an attack. It turns out that NC was led to the town to save them from another monster and not so much because he was being honored. NC is insulted that he was led back to his hometown under false pretenses and thinks the monster is probably a confused kid like he was. He was mistakened. Kurt valiantly fights the monster until it is stabbed with a sword. The monster runs off and Kurt tells his biggest fan he's going after it. He teleports off and his fan sniffs and enjoys his "bamfs".
Kurt eventually finds the monster in the woods and they continue to fight. Kurt obviously has the upperhand and he questions the monster as to the whereabouts of a child that was supposedly kidnapped by the creature. The monster doesn't understand and Kurt halts the fight. It's here that we learn that the monster was just a 16 y/o boy that was cursed by an old gypsy. Kurt and the boy bond a bit before a bunch of men from the village come with torches and weapons threatening to kill the "monsters". Kurt won't allow it to happen and tries to take them all down. In the process of doing this, he is shot and the "monster" continues to fight. Kurt tries to calm him down, but a little girl appears out of nowhere searching for her grandfather--the lost child. Kurt teleports her and her grandfather to safety and returns to the battlefield to find the "monster" shot and unmoving. As he monologues to himself, Mephisto appears and claims the boy's and fallen men's souls for himself. He taunts NC and tells him that he too will be like the "monster" that died. NC isn't phased and now realizes what he overcame. A week later, he's back in san fran and arrives just in time to help the X-men. They're fighting a foe with a magical shield that Pixie can't penetrate via her powers. NC easily can and the day is saved...and he's back with the X-men.
This book didn't make sense. I understand the premise and it's nice to see NC doing stuff again and actually being efficient, but him feeling useless because of Pixie makes no sense and it was really forcing it with the final few pages just to show NC he has a place even if it's combat teleporting. He does have more skills than that, it's just writers don't utilize him as an effective character anymore. Also, I'm always wary of Mephisto and magic showing up around NC. It's a 1 out of 5. It probably will hold no type of relevance beyond this oneshot. Oh, yeah, the art was not very good at all. The book is completely forgettable in every sense of the word and that's disappointing for one of the best X-men characters still around and kicking. Also, it's unforgivable that a "quitting" issue doesn't give us an actual insight on NC nor does it allow us to see how his friends appreciate him. A scene with just Cyclops at the beginning is not enough. Skip the issue.
As a side note, James Asmus wrote the issue and I have no recollection of him as a writer. Has he written anything before?
Hmm... the art was the only thing I enjoyed from this story.
Quote from: thanoson on March 12, 2009, 04:10:30 PM
Hmm... the art was the only thing I enjoyed from this story.
*shrugs* I found most of it to be ok, but certain areas were rough and off to me. Nothing that I found to be very impressive, but that's just me.
Previews:
Ultimatum 3: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2214&disp=table
Wolverine: Weapon X #1: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2213&disp=table
X-men Forever: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/030911-X-Men-Forever01.html
the new mutants
http://media.comics.ign.com/media/143/14320999/img_6538516.html (http://media.comics.ign.com/media/143/14320999/img_6538516.html)
Hmm... Why is Legion in the pic?
And where is Rahne?
Quote from: thanoson on March 13, 2009, 07:12:04 AM
Hmm... Why is Legion in the pic?
Legion is part of the first arc.
Quote from: The Troll on March 13, 2009, 05:13:20 PM
And where is Rahne?
She's on X-Force. She won't be a regular character in New Mutants.
Doug has weird cracks all over his suit and looks a bit odd, is he some kind of zombie? Have Dani's powers returned?
Dana
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on March 13, 2009, 07:23:03 PM
Doug has weird cracks all over his suit and looks a bit odd, is he some kind of zombie? Have Dani's powers returned?
Dana
Yeah I noticed that about Doug. Not sure what's up, have to wait for the series.
Dani is currently still powerless.
I'm excited but worried. Also why does CC keep getting work? And in my mind Sunspot can not fly or shoot energy and his hair does not magically go away when he's powered.
amazing costume designs in my opinion
Maybe Dani just uses a bow now? I do like the costume design too.
I just like that Warlock is in this. I have a soft spot for weird alien robots, so sue me.
Quote from: The Hitman on March 14, 2009, 01:56:02 PM
I just like that Warlock is in this. I have a soft spot for weird alien robots, so sue me.
*sues you*
Quote from: AfghanAnt on March 13, 2009, 11:42:18 PM
I'm excited but worried. Also why does CC keep getting work? And in my mind Sunspot can not fly or shoot energy and his hair does not magically go away when he's powered.
Truth in most of your points about Bobby, but he has flown before under his own power. I also don't know why CC keeps getting work (at least on X-books)...He really should try another type of book, maybe he'd be able to actually have some fresh, different ideas?
Dana
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on March 14, 2009, 08:40:27 PM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on March 13, 2009, 11:42:18 PM
I'm excited but worried. Also why does CC keep getting work? And in my mind Sunspot can not fly or shoot energy and his hair does not magically go away when he's powered.
Truth in most of your points about Bobby, but he has flow before under his own power. I also don't know why CC keeps getting work (at least on X-books)...He really should try another type of book, maybe he'd be able to actually have some fresh, different ideas?
Dana
Where would he go? His presence was only major in the X-men/Captain Britain/Excalibur area. The only thing he hasn't returned to is...Spider-man. I don't think anyone wants that especially after what he did to Miguel/Spider-man 2099.
Unless you guys want him on Avengers or Spider-Woman. Fan4 maybe? You choose! :p
Quote from: Previsionary on March 14, 2009, 08:52:14 PM
Where would he go? His presence was only major in the X-men/Captain Britain/Excalibur area. The only thing he hasn't returned to is...Spider-man. I don't think anyone wants that especially after what he did to Miguel/Spider-man 2099.
Unless you guys want him on Avengers or Spider-Woman. Fan4 maybe? You choose! :p
hasn't Claremont written the FF book in the past? I
think he actually worked previously on all of the books/characters you named above, Prev.
Dana
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on March 14, 2009, 11:50:20 PM
Quote from: Previsionary on March 14, 2009, 08:52:14 PM
Where would he go? His presence was only major in the X-men/Captain Britain/Excalibur area. The only thing he hasn't returned to is...Spider-man. I don't think anyone wants that especially after what he did to Miguel/Spider-man 2099.
Unless you guys want him on Avengers or Spider-Woman. Fan4 maybe? You choose! :p
hasn't Claremont written the FF book in the past? I think he actually worked previously on all of the books/characters you named above, Prev.
Dana
Indeed he has, just not a major presence. He's returned to all the books that made him big, he wasn't big anywhere else (and he used Spidey to bring Captain Britain state wise). So, if he were to finally leave the X-verse, where would he go? He doesn't have a big pull anywhere else. ^^
I guess I should review some comics...
X-Force:
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Leaper Queen captures Hellion, Surge and Boom-Boom. Pierce tells Dust and Scott sends X-Force to save them, but only until he finds Cable in time (it's probably best not to think about the time traveling logic for this story). Surge and Hellion are infected with the Legacy Virus and carted off to the UN. X-Force arrives to find Boom-Boom but before they can save her Cyclops pulls them into the future for Messiah War. Leaper Queen shoots Tabitha between the eyes.
Was surprised Yost and Kyle were allowed to kill Boom-Boom, if she is indeed dead. I thought she was Nextwave safe.
I'll give the issue a 4/5. The art is sometimes murky, funky, and somewhat inconsistent but I like it, and the plot maybe could use a bit more meat but I felt a real sense of suspense waiting to see the fates of the captured mutants, and frustration with how it ended.
Young X-Men finale:
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Dust is dead, and an enraged Rockslide beats up Pierce. Ink tries to heal her but fails. The team is upset and consider quitting. Ink uses his Phoenix tatoo to restore Dust but it lands him in a coma. The team is happy to see Dust return. Then Guggenheim brings back the Neo for the last page fight shot. And I'm told dead Neos were pictured :doh:
There's also the future scenes where evil Dust kills Anole, Greymalkin, and Emma - the last mutants, and Ink who she blames for bringing her back without a soul. The sequence is pretty detached from the present story, I think they're hinting at evil Dust, which honestly sounds like a terrible idea to me.
I'm going to give this a 2.5/5. I actually quite liked the present day stuff, the teams reactions to Dust's death were very good. Was less impressed by the one off return at the end, just seemed random to just bring them back like that. I love the art. Sandoval is great, he gets a little rough near the end though, and Acuna is great for the future sequence (I probably would have disliked his art if it was the present, but it works this way).
The future sequence drags the issue down. I just found it mostly useless. Dust is kinda cliched and I think it's just a poor idea for a number of reasons. If someone picks it up maybe it'll work out, but I have my doubts. And if no one picks it up half the issue was wasted for nothing.
I might have given this a 4 if not for the future sequence.
X-Factor:
Madrox meets up with Layla and we catch up with the rest of the cast. Not going to go into much more than that, PAD's on his no spoilers rampage.
It's an good read, but I wanted a bit more, felt kinda like a heres what everyone is doing issue. I really wanted more of Layla, the issue didn't really give much answers there. Art's good but De Landro is just missing an extra ooph. Might be colouring, it's a little drab for my tastes.
I'll give it a 3.5/5.
Spider-Girl:
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May fights Norman in her fathers mind, and her mind, and her duplicates, it's a little confusing, relieving key memories from her and Peter's life. Outside Spider-Girl's allies try to save MJ and Benjy from the Goblin God (an amagam of Norman Osborn in Peter's body, May, and the symbiot-hybred Brand New May). May is able to convince the other May that they can be friends and they are able to defeat mind Norman. You know that sounds confusing but it's all clear in the issue. New May starts living with the Parkers.
This is the final issue, but the series continues online and in Spider-Man family. I give it a 3.5/5. I found the issue rehashed some old ideas, like the mental fight which a similar thing was used in Spider-Girl 100 and somehow things seemed a little too easy in the end, but it's still a decent read. I really liked how they resolved the whole Brand New May stuff, didn't expect it to end like that. Also I thought Frenz did a good job recreating the old scenes.
Spider-man and Extra 3
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Quick spoilers for both:
-Hollister wins the election
-Menance is beaten by Harry and Spider-Man and imprisoned, but meets Norman at the end.
-Hollister resigns as mayor after finding out his daughter is Menance.
-Vin turns in the police department and gets a six month sentence.
-Flash returns home, Harry gives him a new apartment
-Anna Kraven is shown again and we learn that her mother has a plan, will tie into the Sinister 666 story in the future.
I'll give these two a combined 3. I really liked New Ways to Die but Character Assassination never really clicked the same way. Spidey going to prison didn't quite work out for me. Still it's an ok read and really ties up most of the ongoing plots of BND. I've mostly enjoyed BND but it's a mixed bag, some stuff I really like others are very meh. I'd prefer a tighter plot development, too many one off stories after New Ways to Die. The Extra is kinda a giant subplot issue. We get Flash coming back, Harry dealing with his issues, Vin's situation, and check in on Kraven. I love that kinda stuff, but none of the stories really stand out that strongly. Art is just ok. Wasn't feeling JRjr like I sometimes do, And Jimenez was ok but there's not much in the story to get excited about.
Anyone got Ultimatum spoilers? I want to see what Loeb's newest abomination is.
Thanks, Pod. I haven't read X-force yet, so I skipped the spoiler. Young X-men sounds... X-factor, I'm a little tired of PAD's online persona. Nothing all that "shocking" or dramatic even happened in this issue except for, perhaps, the return of someone from a recent one shot? Still...nothing to be all that guarded about.
I said I was going to try and keep up with Ultimatum, but I literally forgot about it until I read USM...and then I forgot again. Doesn't help that it never comes out on time. :P.
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X-men Legacy #222:
Last issue, Gambit and Xavier were still looking for Rogue, but had no idea where she could be. Meanwhile, Rogue found herself in mortal danger as a gun was pointed at her head and the book ended just after it was fired.
Spoiler
This issue opens up with a flashback to Rogue during her "Ms. Marvel is stuck in mah head" days and Beast helps her to realize what causes Carol to take over her body from time to time and ways to resist it ever happening again. The book then swings back to present day just moments before the gun goes off, we see Rogue make a quick movement, and Scalphunter actually shoots one of the marauders, Scrambler in fact. We then see that Rogue's skin is blue and she has in fact allowed "mental" Mystique to take over.
Over with Xavier, Gambit, and the Shiar salvage crew, the group takes out the sentinels that are chasing them and Xavier and Gambit demand to know what they are doing here on Earth and Xavier deduces that the leader of the Shiar salvage crew started this. The man agrees and notes that he and his crew were after Danger, who shot them out of the sky. They succeeded in lowering her AI, but Danger set off a program that was in tune with Rogue's thinking.
Eventually, both Rogue and her mental follower and Xavier and his crew decide to go to the source of the danger room scenarios, the X-mansion—Danger's hold out. As Rogue travels, she relives a few memories and realizes that she feels like she can't move on and doesn't really know where she's going. She then runs into an image of a young Cody. Meanwhile, Xavier reaches the mansion and sees versions of the X-men battling behind the gates. He asks the Shiar to help him get in. Xavier finally gets into the mansion, with very little effort, and relives a few scenes of his past. Specifically, the day he recruited the "all new, all different" X-men and Kitty's conversation with Emma that reflected on her first meeting with the X-men (Claremont's Phoenix saga—specifically the hellfire portion where Emma was experimenting on the X-men). The book ends with Xavier coming into the danger room where a large Danger is huddled.
It's an average read. Nothing really stood out in this issue as exciting or all that interesting. It'd be fun getting this insight on characters if we hadn't already traveled this road before with Rogue. If this arc leads to her finally getting a new purpose or sense of worth, I'll be fine with it, but if it's just going to be a rehash, I'll be disappointed. However, it was nice seeing some old scenes repeated in this book and I think this is the first Astonishing V3/Whedon flashback, so maybe the book is finally about to find its way into its new function as a "non team, but X-related" book...thing. It's a 3.
Ultimate X-men #100:I haven't bought this book in awhile and I don't even recall looking up information for issue #99, but this is the big finale and Ultimatum tie in. It's no secret that this series has been very bad for a few years, but maybe Heroes' writer, Aron Coleite, can finally give us something worthy as I haven't liked anything by him since the first issue he did. Also, it's odd seeing Beast on the cover as I was sure he was dead, but hey, just a cover.
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The book opens with an army of Madroxes heading for parliament in London. He was chosen to lead a mission...a suicide mission. He and his clone enter into parliament, shoot a guard, and explode just as Captain Britain finishes saying, "we need to send Magneto a message!"
At the Mansion, the original team of X-men returns, holding their dead members, and run into Rogue, who lays a bombshell on them. Xavier is dead! Oh no! The X-men discuss the possibility of killing Magneto and Cyclops is against it. Wolverine tries to explain his point of view and Angel agrees with him. Jean tries to talk Angel out of it, but he no longer cares. He's an angel of death. Jean also feels what Madrox is up to and alerts the X-men to this.
In Chicago, Madrox walks out of a burning school holding a motionless Emma Frost. Iceman, Cyclops, and Rogue show up to handle him and Cyclops threatens to kill Jamie if his brother, Alex, is dead. Madrox multiplies and overpowers Cyclops. Rogue kisses one of the dupes and absorbs its powers allowing her to create her own army of Rogues. Inside the school, everything is on fire and no one is responding to Cyclops's calls. He then runs into a dupe that didn't explode. Cyclops is furious and optic blasts off the dupe's head only to be attacked by another dupe from behind.
In the morlock tunnels, another army of Jamie are about to explode. Well, they would if it weren't for Jean and her semi-phoenix powers (which I thought she lost...) keeping them all under her mind control as Calisto and Storm watch on. Jean is the only thing keeping all of them alive. As Jean and Storm try to figure out how they'll get the Morlocks to safety, a clone breaks free of mind control and Jean can't reestablish her link. Storm then does something drastic, takes Calisto's knife, and throws it into the clones head effectively killing it.
In the Savage Lands, where it is surprisingly snowy, Wolverine teams up with Kazar and Shanna. He asks them for help in tracking down Jamie. They track Jamie's scent down to a home and burst inside only to find Lorelei. Before the trio can do anything, Lorelei orders Kazar to kill Wolverine.
Back at the tunnels, Jean is losing control over all the Jamies and orders everyone to get close. In Chicago, Rogue and Iceman find an unconscious Cyclops and hope he's ok. In the Savage lands, Wolverine is fighting with Kazar and Shanna doesn't understand what is wrong with her mate. Jean manages to save herself and the group around her only to find out there's still a full room of Jamies surrounding her, Rogue is knocked out and Iceman is the last man standing, and Wolverine manages to regain control of his mind and gut Lorelei killing her. Wolverine then heads further into the house and opens a door and finds...Jamie! He doesn't remember anything and thinks Lorelei is his mother and that he's in Wisconsin in the year 1994. Wolverine tries to make him understand what has happened, otherwise, he'll have to kill Jamie.
In the end, it's revealed that Wolverine stopped all the clones and that Cyclops survived. The final page reveals that Wolverine killed the kid and he'll do the same to Magneto. End.
This, um...the ending was very subpar and so very little *significant* action actually happened. Back when this series started, I would have NEVER expected an ending like this. I did, actually, like the idea of how chaotic an evil Jamie could be, but this book didn't do much with it. I guess part of the problem with Ultimate Jamie is that I have no connection to him and he was never really expanded on. He was just a rarely used Brotherhood member. I just didn't ever really connect with the story because nothing really mattered. Part of this is because of Ultimatum, but most of it comes from how far all these characters have fallen. NOTHING was resolved in this book. It's the finale of the ongoing (I'm ignoring requiem and Ultimatum) and, for the most part, everything just rushed by. Trying to put all this development into Jamie last minute isn't going to make me care about him. Having the team discuss Xavier's death at the beginning of the book didn't do anything for me. It felt distant and unmoving. I was hoping for something much stronger...something that would push this team to consider and do things they had never thought of before. The scene we got was flat. I guess that can't be helped as Xavier had just died 10 or so issues before, but still...this time he's really dead and there needed to be some type of emotion from these kids. It's a 2. The book was too rushed in several aspects and, despite some action shots, nothing really stood out to me. It's quite an unfitting end to a book that USED to outdo the mainstream X-men. Sad.
Uncanny X-men #507:Last issue, Beast and his team of nerds landed on an island overrun with creatures to save a scientist long thought dead and Colossus had finally begun to take down a mob boss from his past, and surprisingly, Emma Frost was willing to help him.
Spoiler
The book opens with Beast and his team of scientist being attacked by a giant sea dragon thing known as Leviathan. Luckily for the team, Angel has a plan.
Meanwhile in Colossus's plot, Emma and Colossus manage to stop a mob car and toss it aside. They then rush into the mob's hideout with only one plan of action—to beat everyone inside until they stop hitting back.
Back with the Beast Crew, Angel plan involves revealing his Archangel side which he seems to do just by changing costumes. Beast is surprised, but Angel heads into battle. The scene then shifts back and forth between Angel killing the Leviathan by flying into its mouth and out the back of its head and Peter (powered down) fighting the mob boss. Peter chokes the man until he gets the mob boss to feel what he feels. The mob boss does so, but the tattoos on his torso also reveal how badly Colossus really feels about losing Kitty. Emma comforts Colossus as she hugs him.
However long afterwards, Angel and Beast prepare to leave the island and Colossus goes back to get a tattoo of "Katya's" name in a heart on his chest. After it's done, he breaks down and cries and NC watches on. Hank and Warren eventually return to the new mansion and introduce the X-club to Karma and Pixie. Further inside the mansion, Cyclops is having a meeting with the Mayor who has concerns about Cyclops's operation. She alerts Cyclops that people believe he's building a militia. Cyclops correct her and says they're building an army.
Even further in the mansion, Emma is confronting Shaw whom she has just brought in some time recently. She wants him to repent for all his misdeeds. In this scene, we learn that the new cells have one sided power dampeners. Emma then erases some of Shaw's thoughts and only leaves him with memories of all the people he helped to kill.
Later that night, Hank and Warren finally have a chance to talk about Warren's Archangel secrets. Beast doesn't understand how one of his oldest friends could keep such an important secret from him. Warren says he can't explain and flies off into the night. The book simply ends with scenes of Eric finally getting his powers back thanks to the High Evolutionary.
This book was pretty blah for the most part. There was no central plot, it just jumped all over the place picking and tying up things on a whim instead of doing it naturally. I'm sure at least a day passed somewhere in the middle of the book. I mean, it's good that it FINALLY touched on things such as Colossus's grief, Magneto/High Evolutionary, Emma/Shaw/Namor from the annual, and Beast finding out about Warren's secret, but it could have been done in a much more effective manner. 2 out of 5. Just to note, the art was a little off in some points and the book was the definition of rushing some plots to their ending. Also, I don't know what going on with this nice softer Emma and then "real/current" Emma coming off later in the book, but they need to find a middle ground with her already.
Wolverine Origins #34:Last issue, Wolverine and Nick Fury teamed up to stop Daken from obtaining a sword and Cyclops and the Aston—Unca—the X-men went to threaten Daken with said sword because Cyclops is a great leader these days.
Spoiler
The book opens with the X-men in the park with Cyclops alerting them to what they may be facing with Daken. Cannonball wonders why Emma didn't give them an exact location and Cyclops tells them that Emma didn't agree with the mission, in so many words. Meanwhile, Emma contacts Norman to get him to call off Daken. Norman is amused but has no idea what she's talking about. Now, he wants to be enlightened.
In the park, the X-men continue to scout for Daken. Unaware to them, however, is that Daken is in fact above them in the trees. Colossus halts the X-men and steels up. A landmine was triggered, via remote, and the team is sent scattering. Everyone survives, but Armor faints. Meanwhile, Fury and Wolverine arrive, but Fury can't do much without revealing himself. Wolvie decides to solo it.
Back to the X-men, Cyclops thinks he spotted Daken and has Cannonball take him out. Meanwhile, NC goes to save an innocent survivor. To his surprise, the civilian was Daken, who then guts Nightcrawler with his claws. The person Cannonball saved was Daken's victim. Cannonball is then shocked as the man was wearing a contraption that Daken controls remotely. What follows next is a series of scenes where Daken superiorly disables the whole team including Cyclops. Wolverine then arrives on the scene and he and his son race for the blade. Daken reaches it first, but Wolverine stabs him and takes it. Before Daken can explain that he'll be superior to Logan, he is shot by an optic blast that also apparently hits Wolverine and dragged off. The book ends with Cyclops dragging off Daken and the blade as Hank pleads with him to reconsider. Daken then awakens, stabs Cyclops in the leg, and gains the blade for himself. End.
It was an adequate read and actually had a better team than what Uncanny typically gives us. Still, the Daken/Wolverine thing is getting a bit bleh as these stories currently aren't connected with the rest of the Marvel universe or even the X-verse. What's of particular interest is the continuous dissolving of Emma and Cyclops's trust and commitment to each other, as well as Beast's and Cyclops's relationship. In fact, Cyclops new stance on the mutant race may end up distancing him from all his core group of friends because even Wolverine found himself pleading with Scott to hand over Daken. And as much as I may not like Daken, seeing him effectively take out the entire team of X-men not by using brutal force, but instead advanced planning, was quite a great few panels. Because of this, I consider this a 3. The art was fairly good as well. Way is certainly better at handling Wolverine and Daken than he was pre-Legacy crossover...that does not extend to most of the other characters in this book though.
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Previews:
Messiah War- IGN (http://comics.ign.com/articles/962/962889p1.html)- updated every day until the 26th
Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.7185.Watcher_World_Premiere~colon~_New_Avengers_%2351)- Marvel
Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.7112.Watcher_World_Premiere~colon~_Ult_Wolvie~slash~Hulk_%234)- Marvel 2
Messiah War Prologue (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2255&disp=table)
I did a bad bad thing i got ultimatium 3 today and i have one question
WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE?
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 19, 2009, 02:56:08 PM
I did a bad bad thing i got ultimatium 3 today and i have one question
WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE?
Ultimatum #3:Last issue, stuff happened, people died. This is for you, Pod, even though I swore to destroy you/Canadia after some comment or something.
Spoiler
• It's confirmed for the 900th time that Dazzler, Beast, and NC are dead. In addition, the Academy of Tomorrow in Chicago was destroyed and the whole cast that filled said school died (see Ult. Xmen review) minus Havok/Alex, who is unconfirmed.
• Longshot, Forge, Detonator (whom I don't remember), and Hardrive are also confirmed as dead.
• A madrox clone tries to kill Magneto, but Eric kills him. He can also hold and wield the hammer.
• Yellow Jacket repays Blob by growing giant and chewing off Blob's head.
• Jean realizes Xavier is dead when she can't contact him.
• Yellow Jacket explodes in the ocean trying to take out all the multiple men
• Thor died to revive Valkryie
• Captain America wakes up and learns that several of his teammates are now dead. The remaining Ultimates band together to stop Magneto.
I'm not rating this and I have no after thoughts. It would be nice if the plot would, you know, MOVE.
OMG I just can't believe Ultimatum. Bites off his head?! Who would do that?! Nobody!
Thanks for the spoilers Previsionary, but I'll be on my guard of you. No one threatens my precious Canadia and gets away with it!
Heh. But I didn't even show you this pic!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_SW.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=SW.jpg)
Isn't that a great picture? Scarlet Witch/Mystique makes Emma look like a nun!
Did anyone else find this a particularly crappy week in comics?
Dark Avengers 3 was a chore. Seriously. I intended to at least give it one story arc, but I don't think I'm gonna make it.
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The one part I liked was Osborne talking to the Sentry, which at least semi-explains why he's on the team. The rest was pointless.
None of the X-books really did much for me either. The X-men taken down by Daken in Wolverine Origins seemed poorly thought out, Uncanny was a mishmash of plot threads, Legacy feels like a rerun, and X-force bugged me with the wonky time-travel logic.
I'm not bothering to review any comics this week, but did anyone else find it supremely stupid that...
Spoiler
Marvel made Ms. Marvel 2nd in command of the New Avengers and killed her off in the same week without reference to either event in the opposing book?
RE: Messiah War
I am so stoked.
Actually I really like this idea better than Messiah Complex.
Here are a few reasons why:
1. I started (heavily) reading comics in the early 90's
2. X-Force, Deadpool, and Cable were my favourites at the time
3. Domino and Cable together again
4. "Your scratching my brain, a little to the left please."
5. Dayspring Goodness! Waiting to see some As'kani Son references
Although I do feel that they've ruined Bishop beyond all reconciliation... the same has been said of Gambit and Archangel in the past. (and I think Wolverine may have killed more people than Bishop)
So GOTG...what did anyone else think?
Spoiler
I was extremely annoyed with the choice to strip Phyla of the quantum bands and make her the avatar of Death. Besides the costume not being appealing, I really hate how it was like "well Nova needs these more than you and you have other powers so I'm just going to take these, laterz!"
Haven't been reading GOTG but I have read Nova.
Spoiler
From the Nova POV I liked it. I'm a big Quasar (Wendell) fan so its been cool having him back in the book and making Richard Nova works for me short term.
I'm not going comment on Phyla for now. I hope to pick up GOTG later on at some point so I'll be able to better comment then.
OK... tell me what THIS is:
http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/12768.htm/#comments
Huh?
Dark X-Men?
Loks like Emma, Xavier, Namor, Cloak and Dagger, Mimic, Daken and some Omega guy.
It's either a new series, or part of the Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men crossover I'd think.
SO Cloak and Dagger are Dark X-Men now and Ty has become Hispanic possibly Indian? I'm a lot annoyed and confused.
Also Daken is a Avenger and X-Men? He really is his father's son.
EDIT: I don't think it is Cloak and Dagger after all, it is more likely Exodus and Dazzler.
lol, AA, Hitman and I said something similar in the shack. Also, I wish Emma would lose her wolverine-esque trait of appearing everywhere.
I don't think that's Dazzler. Costume doesn't match and she hasn't really done anything since New Excalibur, and all she managed to do there was die a lot (putting Jean to shame).
Quote from: Previsionary on April 03, 2009, 01:45:01 PM
lol, AA, Hitman and I said something similar in the shack. Also, I wish Emma would lose her wolverine-esque trait of appearing everywhere.
I don't think that's Dazzler. Costume doesn't match and she hasn't really done anything since New Excalibur, and all she managed to do there was die a lot (putting Jean to shame).
I really have a feeling is it Dazzler. She's been in UXM doing nothing and Exodus and Dazzler were a couple and AOA and they as seen with Sunfire, Marvel isn't afraid to reuse 10 year old ideas. Plus why would Dagger be without Cloak yet again and what happened to the Cloak and Dagger comic? http://savetherobot.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/cloak-and-dagger-get-new-series-in-2009/
I'm wondering if the 2-april thing is a coincidence.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 03, 2009, 12:45:28 PM
SO Cloak and Dagger are Dark X-Men now and Ty has become Hispanic possibly Indian? I'm a lot annoyed and confused.
Also Daken is a Avenger and X-Men? He really is his father's son.
EDIT: I don't think it is Cloak and Dagger after all, it is more likely Exodus and Dazzler.
I've seen speculation that these might not be who they appear to be too.
Either way too early to be annoyed as we really have no idea what this could be. Marvel is tricky like that sometimes.
I'm really expecting this to be part of the Dark Avengers/Uncanny crossover.
I am looking forward to Ultimatum 4. Loeb is out Loebing himself.
The "Cloak" in the pic does indeed, look very much like Exodus...But "Dagger" doesn't look at all like Dazzler (wrong hair color/length and nothing of the costume suggests it's Dazzler...You'd think there would be some clue)...It would be funny if it was Darkstar back from the dead.
I wonder why Emma would be wearing black, though? She's never worn black, has she?
It's got to be the ever-whiney, Weapon Omega in the red and white (behind "Emma"). He's floating and too small of frame to be Omega Red (as some folks have suggested on other boards)...And thank dog he's not in Canada and in the Guardian uniform, anymore...Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Daken is of course, easy to spot if his claws (or tattoos) are showing...Typical of Marvel to start having Daken on various teams...Like father, like son?
I'm also guessing that's Mimic in the back as folks have suggested...I doubt it's Warren.
Maybe "Xavier" is really Lex Luthor? LOL!
Speculating is fun, but in the end...The only book I'm getting lately is GOTG.
Dana
my guesstimations:
Spoiler
prof.x = sebastian shaw (he still has sideburns
dark white queen = lady mastermind
cloak = exodus
dagger = vertigo with a dye job
daken and namor
mimic in the back
and the omega guy is probably the new guardian from omega flight, now called weapon omega
I am pretty sure those aren't sideburns just shadow/inking on Xavier.
Also Dazzler is currently shorting long hair blonde hair just like the female in the preview: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/Dazzler_wiki.png
I personally think it is Dagger though.
Astonishing #29 preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2353&disp=table)...3 months later
As far as Shaw goes, unless he broke out of Emma's prison and broke the mental images she implanted in his head, he shouldn't be doing all too much for the next few months.
Quote from: Previsionary on April 06, 2009, 03:20:44 PM
Astonishing #29 preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2353&disp=table)...3 months later
As far as Shaw goes, unless he broke out of Emma's prison and broke the mental images she implanted in his head, he shouldn't be doing all too much for the next few months.
Unless Emma let him out. That might be her on the team.
Quote from: Podmark on April 06, 2009, 03:26:54 PM
Quote from: Previsionary on April 06, 2009, 03:20:44 PM
Astonishing #29 preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2353&disp=table)...3 months later
As far as Shaw goes, unless he broke out of Emma's prison and broke the mental images she implanted in his head, he shouldn't be doing all too much for the next few months.
Unless Emma let him out. That might be her on the team.
Perhaps, but she seemed particularly mad at him at the time (ignoring the way her personality seems to fluctuate). Not to mention that Namor WOULDN'T work with Shaw and would be particularly cross at Emma for deceiving him. Also, I don't know if Daken would willingly work with Sebastian Shaw again considering their last meeting in the crossover. Speaking of, where's Ms. Sinister been of late?
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Annnnnyway, no one reviewed X-infernus #4 which sets up the "new" new mutants. All that happened was that Megan lost another part of her soul and Illyana was convinced to stay with the X-men at the very end.
Now, onto claremont's latest offering of:
X-men: Sword of the Braddocks.
Spoiler
One would think that with a title like that, the book would focus on Psylocke and Brian. Incorrect. The book mostly focused on a storyline from Exiles that wasn't tied up: Psylocke vs. alternate time hopper, Slaymaster. After Slaymaster killed yet another Betsy, and a version of himself that made him stronger, Psylocke decides it's time to stop running and finally deal with her foe. She has Sage run a simulation of Slaymaster, but she royally loses to him. She then decides to run (with cyber sage) to gather her thoughts. During the run, she sees an image of Slaymaster killing her brother as a form of revenge (odd) and decides she'll head back to Britain to save her brother. She does so and Slaymaster almost takes her out with a headshot from a high powered gun. She survives thanks only to a military helmet she got from somewhere and she and Slaymaster fight. Brian then interrupts the fight and is happy to see his sister. Slaymaster then shoots Brian with an energy projectile and aims to finish him off with another shot, which Psylocke taKes in Brian's place. Psylocke eventually wins the fight (while thinking and telling the reader every move she's does AS it takes place) and returns to the exiles. The story ends just after Psylocke kisses sabretooth and the rest of the book is a bakcup story.
It was a bleh story. I don't particularly care for her new rivalry with Slaymaster, though I did like the flashback to her time as Captain Britain when she first met Slaymaster. Um, Brian was particularly pointless in the book and I'm not a huge fan of Psylocke being all lovey dovey with AOA Sabre. All I can say is, "thank the heavens this storyline is finished and she can return to 616 without claremont soon." 1.5 out of 5. The backup story was mildly entertaining...to a degree.
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Exiles #1 (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=27038) preview by Jeff Parker.
Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2334&disp=table)
Quote from: Spectre Lad on April 06, 2009, 02:44:59 PM
I am pretty sure those aren't sideburns just shadow/inking on Xavier.
Also Dazzler is currently shorting long hair blonde hair just like the female in the preview: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/Dazzler_wiki.png
I personally think it is Dagger though.
I also think it's probably Dagger.
Dazzler is and always was a strawberry blond (except when she had the pink dye job), the lady in the Dagger outfit has light blond hair, almost platimunm blonde (hence my comment about being the wrong color)...I have to ask why the heck would Dazzler join a group of villains and anti-heroes, though? Some of them are murderers and I don't see Allison hanging out with them. Dagger on the other hand has been more of a vigilante, she and Cloak have even killed criminals, I believe (I could be mistaken about that, though).
Dana
LITG (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20702) has reported that Cloak and Dagger are "joining the X-books as regular team characters".
Yeah, as if Exodus would resort to playing second fiddle to Emma, Namor, or Osborn...
The Dark Avengers cover has been confirmed as the cover to Uncanny 513.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20717
It mentions a book called Dark X-Men written by Mike Carey but the context makes it unclear. It sounded to me like Fraction might've been waving away speculation.
seems mildly interesting, though I hope the "sex scenes" comment was a joke, because I've gotten more than my fill of Emma and Cyclops. ^^
Naw they will make a new spin off series called "Emma does Marvel"
Ha.
CB&MI13 #12 Preview: CLICK (http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/12387187598031.htm)
Jeff Parker's take on his Exiles team (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/040209exiles.html).
Quote from: Podmark on April 07, 2009, 04:13:31 AM
LITG (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20702) has reported that Cloak and Dagger are "joining the X-books as regular team characters".
It doesn't confirmed enough for me and Rich is notorious for getting his information wrong. He could be running with the whole that's Cloak and Dagger because a bunch of noobs said so. I'm at least standing by that being Exodus and it possibly being Dazzler or someone who isn't Dagger. For me it doesn't make sense that they would use Dagger without Cloak again. Also where is Cloak!?
If the team is full of (possible) villians, could the gal in the Dagger suit be Vertigo?
EDIT: Nevermind, just remembered she was eaten by Predator X in Messiah Whatever.
Quote from: The Hitman on April 08, 2009, 04:41:09 PM
EDIT: Nevermind, just remembered she was eaten by Predator X in Messiah Whatever.
Bah that means nothing:
1) Maruaders have been cloned multiple times
2) In X-Force a couple Vertigo clones showed up (and died)
3) Supposedly there's a second Vertigo that lives in the Savage Land, I'm not sure of her status though.
Actually it's never been clear whether or not the original Vertigo EVER worked for Sinister.
I think it's Cloak because it's absurd to have Exodus actually join someone else's team.
Picked up my comics today, and the only Marvel book in my box was Avengers/Invaders #9. (The only other Marvel title I am reading at the moment is Captain America) I haven't had time to sit down and read it yet, but if you're not reading Avengers/Invaders, I highly recommend picking up the eventual TPB.
That is Daggers outfit, btw.
...And since when does Cloak run around without his hood up? It looks like Exodus to me.
Dana
Well I don't know who "Cloak" (it's probably Donald Pierce again :P) but I do know that Dark X-Men is not the new version of X-Men: Legacy, or so Mike Carey would have us believe in the latest X-Position (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20735).
Also Zeb Wells talks New Mutants here (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.7528.New_Mutants_Week_Q%26A~colon~_Zeb_Wells) and here (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.7545.New_Mutants_Week~colon~_Cannonball) featuring new preview art.
Previews are nice and all, but where're the reviews, peeps! :p
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Exiles V2 (3?) #1:
This is the book I've been looking forward to for a long while. It's no surprise that Exiles slowly began to die after Mimic literally died, but the Claremont double run was excruciatingly horrible, imo. Not just horrible, but almost pointless for several issues of the run, as he didn't even feel the need to establish and develop his characters until the final few arcs. As it stands, the old Exiles team is apparently still together (according to Betsy's book), so I hope that's explained away soon. Regardless, this is Jeff's time to shine on a more mainstream book (B/C list) after his X-men First Class book had been canceled.
Spoiler
The book starts off with the reader checking into the original lives of the new team minus Blink. We get a light hearted Black Panther, a battle ready Lorna, a rash Wanda trying to save her brother from death, a more aggressive Beast who's a part of the Avengers, a Storm-loving Forge who risked his life to save her, and, of course, Blink, the leader. They all are displaced from time literally milli-seconds before their deaths and find themselves in a grassy field with a spiritual being overlooking them. This being turns out to be the fun loving Morph who informs them of their mission and their goals. This basically takes up most of the book as we are filled in as to what the Exiles are, what they do, why they do it, and other terminology such as what is the "Tallus" and who is the "Timebroker". Morph then whisks the team off to their first mission: Helping Wolverine to overthrow Magneto. It's here that the team, minus Morph, takes a few minutes to familiarize themselves with their cache of powers and abilities. This doesn't last long as BP basically sums up the whole team and Lorna and Wanda learn that they are related (in their realities). On the final few pages, the team overlooks a parade as Magneto and his brotherhood + X-men/Phoenix ride on a float through Genosha. End.
Being completely honest, this book didn't do it for me. It was mediocre and was largely a jumping in issue, which I can't knock. I didn't enjoy the art much at all and I feel that it could be of a much higher caliber, but I think that mostly falls onto the coloring. You don't get much on the characters, but I feel you get enough on a few of them to really know how they'll come across for the first few issues. Having Lorna and SW on a team, already knowing they're related, fighting Magneto (and Lorna/SW of that world) should be interesting and I loved the return of fun Morph. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure Magneto was also part of the first arc of Exiles, so that's a nice throwback. I have high expectations for this book, so I hope Jeff can find his groove. For now, however, this is a 2.5. You'll appreciate it more as a new reader than someone who's already associated with the premise of the ORIGINAL team.
So Morph's still around. That's great. Whatever happened with the whole Morph/Proteus thing?
Only books I read this week were DC ones and they don't belong in this thread.
The Morph/Proteus thing was handled in an annual by Claremont I didn't bother to pick up. It apparently ended well since Morph was in the final issue of New Exiles and in Betsy's one shot. According to wiki, Morph regained control of his body and shares it with Proteus as he now wanted to do good instead of bad. So...lame. :p
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Continuing on with the Exiles relaunch, I think I was pretty lenient on it as I suspect several things to be answered sometime this arc, but I truly wouldn't recommend it to anyone but new readers right now. *dagger*. Things such as 'why this incarnation of the team was needed', 'why these group of people were chosen to make up the team', and 'why the sudden revamp after Morph and his team already have control over the crystal palace' weren't answered at all. It was basically just a "back to form" with the return of the tallus to Blink and Morpheus playing the timebroker. Also, Beast's costume...suckage. ^_^
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Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk #4:
Spoiler
I'm not going to go too much into this book because it really doesn't have much going for it. The whole book revolves around Jennifer Walters fixing Banner's serum to become the Hulk without the rage. Betty has Nick Fury keep his eye on Jen as she takes the serum for herself to "save" Hulk. That's right, folks, Betty is the new She-hulk! The book ends with a teaser for the next part of the story: Hulk vs. (She-Hulk).
For a book that has Wolverine and Hulk as its namesake, the two characters only appear for a few panels on 2-3 pages at the very end. So, we're all caught up on the backstory and it should be all forward momentum from here. I'm not very keen on the art in this book (mostly coloring), but it's a average, quick read. 3 out of 5. The Civil War joke was nice. Hulk rat...could do without.
*ahem* If anyone picked up Savage She-hulk, you now know who the green Thundra is...
Spoiler
She's "She-hulk"! Wait, wait...if you read Hulk: Raging Thunder, that is what Thundra nicknamed her. She then showed up in another one shot, and now we know her name as of this book. Lyra, the daughter of Hulk and Thundra.
*ahem* For a universe that used the argument that having children aged their characters, they probably should limit the amount of offsprings they fill the universe with. I'm just sayin'. ;)
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Uncanny #508 preview (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2384&disp=table): the return of Kwannon? Good heavens, I hope not!
Captain America #49 preview (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2371&disp=table)
Kwannon's return could mean Psylocke getting her old body back!
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 11, 2009, 04:29:13 AM
Kwannon's return could mean Psylocke getting her old body back!
But will she still be a Ninja? :P
'Cause, ya know, they lost Shadowcat.
Why not?
I think the Exiles' new mission is the same as the old. Fix the Multiverse. Or die trying. They didn't quite manage to fix it in the last series.
In world war Hulk: x-men I saw that professor X could walk again... WTF??
Quote from: Discoking090 on April 13, 2009, 01:33:10 AM
In world war Hulk: x-men I saw that professor X could walk again... WTF??
After House of M when Scarlet Witch used her reality wrapping powers to take away the powers of 90% (ish) of the world's mutants Xavier was one of them. In some kind of taste of irony he lost his powers but his legs were restored. He's since regained his powers as well.
Also just for the record I prefer Xavier walking. Especially while Elixir's around.
Quote from: Podmark on April 13, 2009, 03:05:43 AM
Quote from: Discoking090 on April 13, 2009, 01:33:10 AM
In world war Hulk: x-men I saw that professor X could walk again... WTF??
After House of M when Scarlet Witch used her reality wrapping powers to take away the powers of 90% (ish) of the world's mutants Xavier was one of them. In some kind of taste of irony he lost his powers but his legs were restored. He's since regained his powers as well.
Also just for the record I prefer Xavier walking. Especially while Elixir's around.
Agreed. I've actually really enjoyed the more proactive Prof X that's been in X-men Legacy lately. It's a nice middle ground between the (frankly boring) squeaky clean Xavier who, despite being the worlds most powerful telepath just sits around using his powers to talk to people from a distance and the overwhelming jerk Xavier who's mind-wiping and manipulating people all over the place.
Spoiler
(http://i44.tinypic.com/29o635d.jpg)
Well I guess it is Cloak and Dagger...
Heh. AA, you're finally accepting. This...is a good step. I don't really feel like reviewing right now, but I will spoil the psylocke scenes in Uncanny because, w/e, I want to. Also, Northstar and Aurora rejoin the X-men...and Logan was a bit weird to me in the issue. I will not speak on Emma and the cuckoos and how a panel looked repeated and how wide their mouths are able to open.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_psylocke.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=psylocke.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_psylocke2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=psylocke2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_psylocke1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=psylocke1.jpg)
Apparently, if that's supposed to be psylocke, she went back to her old costume. Fun. Fun. Also, I've seen some theories that:
Spoiler
Psylocke died and Revanche was revived in her place...
which makes me go..."*ahem* Good heavens, no!"
Double post, but here are some previews/hints about upcoming storylines I actually found interesting enough to post here.
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Spider-manSpoiler
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/Previews/th_MarvelPreview1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/Previews/?action=view¤t=MarvelPreview1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/Previews/th_MarvelPreview6.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/Previews/?action=view¤t=MarvelPreview6.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/Previews/th_MarvelPreview11.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/Previews/?action=view¤t=MarvelPreview11.jpg)
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So they killed her again...?
EDIT: Also...hell YES to her return!
I'm guessing that they revived Kwannon for reasons that have not been explained yet. (other than they're all insane)
It's been reported that Fraction said Psylocke won't be replaced with Kwannon. With this news, I can tolerate this storyline a bit more, but I still don't like the majority of Fraction's work on X-men and I think it's time he's replaced. Not only are his storylines uber slow and break-up the stories in odd ways (X-club? Logan's reaction to Kwannon being dug up?), but they're so completely mediocre that I actually find myself wanting Brubaker back.
Ok, I just read the issue and are you sure Kwannon is returned? The way I read it, it seems like Psylocke's being would be "filling up" Kwannon's (Betsy's original) body.
Also the whole your new body comment. Why would Kwannon think of it as a new body. I really hope it's Psylocke back in her english body with telepathy and butterflies. That is the way I fell in love with her and I would really like it to return to that way. Also how cool was Revanche's Arabian sword?
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 17, 2009, 12:27:48 AM
Ok, I just read the issue and are you sure Kwannon is returned? The way I read it, it seems like Psylocke's being would be "filling up" Kwannon's (Betsy's original) body.
I don't have any solid opinions on what went on with Psylocke. What I posted above was a common theory I saw online.
I will say that this book is really making my continuity senses tingle. Why, you ask? Here's why!
1. Last time Psylocke was in 616, a week ago, she was still in her New Exiles costume. Someone will need to get around to explaining why she randomly returned in her old 616 gear.
2. Her body should be hard to manipulate thanks to Jamie. It was only a plot point Claremont ran with since her initial return and beyond.
3. I'm not particularly sure why Maddie would want Psylocke/Kwannon back in any form.
4. Why did Wolverine go to Northstar moments after learning Kwannon had been dugged up from his X-force teammate? I'd have thought he'd alert someone, but apparently...
5. He's taking after Cyclops who still hasn't alerted anyone that he saw Maddie. -_-. You know...a potential threat he might want to investigate?
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About the new body. It "was" a new body. It was completely new. Revanche/Psylocke's old body was eyeless, worn down, and decaying. Technically, this newer, younger body "would" be new to both.
Is the Invasion storyline worth reading? Should I wait for a graphic novel of it? :huh:
Quote from: Torch on April 17, 2009, 12:43:22 AM
Is the Invasion storyline worth reading? Should I wait for a graphic novel of it? :huh:
Secret Invasion: X-Men? I was very disappointed by it. I expect better from Mike Carey.
Quote from: Podmark on April 17, 2009, 12:51:06 AM
Quote from: Torch on April 17, 2009, 12:43:22 AM
Is the Invasion storyline worth reading? Should I wait for a graphic novel of it? :huh:
Secret Invasion: X-Men? I was very disappointed by it. I expect better from Mike Carey.
I thought the same thing about X-Men Legacy's recent issue. What a snoozer.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 17, 2009, 01:14:03 AM
Quote from: Podmark on April 17, 2009, 12:51:06 AM
Quote from: Torch on April 17, 2009, 12:43:22 AM
Is the Invasion storyline worth reading? Should I wait for a graphic novel of it? :huh:
Secret Invasion: X-Men? I was very disappointed by it. I expect better from Mike Carey.
I thought the same thing about X-Men Legacy's recent issue. What a snoozer.
I was really hoping Legacy would become a new team book like Carey's earlier run, or maybe a student book, but it looks like it's going to be a Rogue solo book. Which could be good, or it could be more of the same. It's not that I think Legacy is bad, it's just...not exciting.
I agree. The current arc is just a bit too long with very little interesting things happening. Legacy's current format comes to an end at issue #225 and it involves Professor Xavier and the acolytes. The description from the previews makes it seem like Prof might take on the role as their new leader.
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In other news: Matt Fraction on Uncanny- http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20846
He talks about the Red Queen and her relationship to Maddie, and more importantly, what's going on with Psylocke.
QuoteThe result of the ritual performed by the Red Queen and the Sisterhood appeared to have returned the spirit of Psylocke to her original body, which had been deceased. Also known as Betsy Braddock, Psyclocke hadn't been seen in the pages of "Uncanny X-Men" for several years, and Fraction wanted to bring her back to the title for a number of reasons. "It's also part of that initiative to bring in more strong and powerful female characters. That's really been our agenda," Fraction said. "Plus Psylocke is great. She's got a rich and complicated history and she provided stuff that no one else on the team had in terms of character, power set, and the complications her return brings about. Those complications made for an intriguing problem and I've got a lot of affection for the character. When she first came into 'Uncanny' was sort of my prime era of reading the book as a fan."
As Fraction mentioned, Psylocke brings with her a complicated back-story that involves switching bodies with a Japanese woman named Kwannon, a death, a resurrection, and a stint protecting alternate realities with her former teammates the Exiles. "Our mission with her is really to simplify as much as possible," Fraction said. "We're trying to bring her back in a way that satisfies people who know who she is and where she's been, but at the same time present this character to people who don't have any idea of who she is. Without blowing where the rest of the arc is going things become clearer in issue #509. She is a very important canary in the coal mine. She's a test run if you will. What they do with Psylocke, they want to do to someone else."
Unfortunately, Matt Fraction also thinks the team needs a speedster even though he used Cannonball very badly and had Storm and Angel (two very fast fliers) basically doing nothing. How embarrassing...and they weren't part of alpha flight. -_-
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As for the Dark X-men. Many thought it was Xavier leading the team. Well, the truth is:
QuoteWhen fans meet Emma Frost's Dark X-Men, the team is fully formed and was handpicked by Norman Osborn -- with the exception of one member who's been placed on the team at Emma Frost's insistence. Unlike Osborn's Avengers, the majority of his X-Men are in the dark as to his current criminal agenda and believe him to be a reformed villain and hero of the Skrull invasion. "You've got to remember what we as readers know the world doesn't, and what Norman did to the Avengers he's now looking to do with the X-Men," Fraction stated. "There is a profound public crisis and what Norman did worked, so he's thinking why wouldn't it work for the X-Men?"
I am happy that Psylocke after almost 20 years is English again but I have a serious problem with Matt's writing.
Also Emma obviously choses Namor as her ace in the hole.
EDIT: Don't drink and write.
Quote from: Podmark on April 17, 2009, 12:51:06 AM
Quote from: Torch on April 17, 2009, 12:43:22 AM
Is the Invasion storyline worth reading? Should I wait for a graphic novel of it? :huh:
Secret Invasion: X-Men? I was very disappointed by it. I expect better from Mike Carey.
Yes. But isn't (wasn't) Secret Invasion a Marvel Universe event (not just X-Men) kinda like Civil War? If so, I'm wondering if the overall storyline is interesting at all.
Quote from: Torch on April 17, 2009, 03:10:27 AM
Quote from: Podmark on April 17, 2009, 12:51:06 AM
Quote from: Torch on April 17, 2009, 12:43:22 AM
Is the Invasion storyline worth reading? Should I wait for a graphic novel of it? :huh:
Secret Invasion: X-Men? I was very disappointed by it. I expect better from Mike Carey.
Yes. But isn't (wasn't) Secret Invasion a Marvel Universe event (not just X-Men) kinda like Civil War? If so, I'm wondering if the overall storyline is interesting at all.
Oh yeah I forgot we changed this to the Marvel thread not just the X-Thread (Great idea there Prev <_<).
Yeah Secret Invasion was a Marvel U event. I didn't read the main mini so someone else will have to fill you in.
Quote from: Podmark on April 17, 2009, 03:21:48 AM
Oh yeah I forgot we changed this to the Marvel thread not just the X-Thread (Great idea there Prev <_<).
*gasp* How dare you! How dare you speak to me in such a manner! Never again speak to me as you have decided to speak to me. You will speak to me in a manner that all must speak to me, sir, and that speech that you must use to speak to me must be the speak I find acceptable to be spoken to me! Learn this and I will return Canadia! ^^
*ahem* Secret Invasion itself is very mediocre and drawn out like a typical Bendis event. I'm not going to retread that area, but instead, I'll just give you a link: I'm a Skrull (http://freedomreborn.net/archive/index.php?topic=46613.30), which is the only thread I can find with some thoughts about the event. Strange, I was sure there were more. But yeah, my opinion of, "mediocre, but some of the tie-in books were superior" remains.
Quote from: Previsionary on April 17, 2009, 03:51:44 AM
Quote from: Podmark on April 17, 2009, 03:21:48 AM
Oh yeah I forgot we changed this to the Marvel thread not just the X-Thread (Great idea there Prev <_<).
*gasp* How dare you! How dare you speak to me in such a manner! Never again speak to me as you have decided to speak to me. You will speak to me in a manner that all must speak to me, sir, and that speech that you must use to speak to me must be the speak I find acceptable to be spoken to me! Learn this and I will return Canadia! ^^
I lost you after the third "speak".
Quote from: Podmark on April 17, 2009, 04:21:14 AM
I lost you after the third "speak".
I'll lose you after speak! Bah!
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X-force #14:
Over the last few issues of this mini-event, we've mostly gotten backstory and very little action of any kind. With the addition of Deadpool and Stryfe to the story, things should really get moving, and become fairly bloody, when the protags and antags finally come head to head and perhaps Bishop will get a new purpose post this event. Anyway, outside of X-force and Cable coming together and the re-introduction of Stryfe as a sneaky partner to Bishop, there's not much to actually recap.
Spoiler
The book opens with Bishop in another timeline chasing after Cable. Of course, nothing in this timeline is real to Bishop, but he does stumble across an important tool he can use in the future. A sleeping god—whom I didn't really miss—that can be used to his benefit. Presently, Cable and X-force are knee deep in action as Stryfe's forces overwhelm them. In an effort to keep Hope safe, Elixir and Vanisher run off with her, but this doesn't please Cable at all. Meanwhile, with Stryfe, one of his minions informs Bishop and him that the X-men are nearby. The X-men finish their fight, thanks to the help of Deadpool, but not before Angel flies off after hearing strange voices. Wolverine comes to the conclusion that they're "flipped" and that none of their lives matter outside of Hope and Warpath. Later, as the team walks to wherever they're going, Stryfe launches from his stronghold and attacks the team. Stryfe obviously overpowers the team and traps Hope in a psionic bubble. The scene then shifts to Angel and we find out whose voice he was hearing while in battle—Apocalypse!
I think my only complaint about this book was some panels where the art and gritty tone didn't come off very well. It was nice to see the team in action again and I also enjoyed the minor scenes of the team interacting with one another. For some reason, Marvel has been really pushing Deadpool this year and this book was no exception. Not only did he get a bunch of screen time over the last [few?] issue(s), but this issue he also makes quite the impressive feat and upstages ALL of X-force with very little effort. This book gets a 4 out of 5. It actually makes up for all those slow issues.
Wolverine Origins #35:
Sometimes I wonder why I keep reading this book, but I can honestly tell you that I'll probably replace it with the superior "Wolverine: Weapon X" by Jason Aaron. *PLUG*. *ahem* I can't recall if it's this book or the main Wolverine book that's going to be replaced with Dark Wolverine starring Daken, but...yeah. Last issue, Daken took out the X-men and got his hands on a special sword.
Spoiler
This issue picks up where last issue left off. Wolverine and Daken staring each other down. However, this time, the X-men come back together and pull out all the stops to try and tame Daken. It doesn't work out as effectively as the X-men might have hoped and Cyclops is seriously close to getting his head chopped off, but a timely intervention from Armor, whom the sword can't really affect, saves the day. Wolverine then retrieves the sword and Daken disappears in an odd display of panels that threw me off for a bit. Daken didn't escape empty-handed though, he took part of the blade and that's all he needed. Cyclops tries to reason with Wolverine in an effort to get him to drop his quest to save Daken and instead kill him; Wolverine doesn't listen and leaves.
The rest of the book focuses on Wolverine trying to track down Daken again, but this time using The Tinkerer to draw Daken out. Why Tinkerer, you ask? Because he's one of the 4 people that can do what Daken wants. Unfortunately, Wolverine gets caught off-guard by Victor Hudson and Daken meets The Tinkerer in an abandoned underground railroad station.
Uh...this book has returned to being a chore to read. I initially liked the idea of Daken being able to one-up the X-men through pre-planning, but STILL doing it in this book when they all *should* know what they're facing, Wolverine-lite + sword, is a bit ridiculous. Not only that, but they all disappeared after their scenes except for Cyclops who advises Wolverine to kill his son. Ignoring how Cyclops is with his own "kids", I don't know if that's advice I can really see coming from even current Cyclops. The last few pages would have probably been much more interesting if they took up the bulk of the story and the X-fight had been cut shorter. Oh, Way, when will you learn? 2.5 out of 5.
Guardians of the Galaxy #13:
Spoiler
After the shocker that was issue 12, the team decide to head out for a night of fun. Of course, this fun turns into a bar fight. Turns out the fight started because a Sh'iar bad mouthed Captain Marvel. Phyla wasn't liking it. She sent the dude through a wall. Fight breaks out. The usual. After the bar fight, Adam Warlock informs the team that the Kree and Sh'iar are warring and they need to intervene. The team is a bit unsure of getting involved considering the races included, but Peter decides that they should split into two teams and talk to both leaders of the warring parties in an effort to prevent more fighting.
Team visiting Blackbolt: Peter, Jack Flag, Gamora, Phyla, and Bug
Team visiting Vulcan: Raccoon, Warlock, Drax, Groot, and Major Victory
Team Rocket [...] begins their mission by putting out the nega-bomb fire/destruction Vulcan and his crew left and Team Quill gets a less dramatic task that is quickly settled with a "no" from Medusa herself. Team Rocket eventually deals with the nega-bomb problem and teleport to Vulcan's ship, only it's teleport-shielded and the team, minus Warlock, ends up in empty space. Warlock himself gets attacked from behind by Vulcan while his teammates get picked up by the Starjammers.
I left out a few parts in the actual summary, but it was a good read, me thinks. Phyla getting a new codename might be a little unneeded though, but we'll see how that goes. The only problem I really have with this book is how big the cast is + with WoK, it's even bigger. Another thing, I think the debriefings/log panels shouldn't be used during big scenes as it kind of draws me out of the story. I'm specifically talking about the Adam Warlock one before his final scene. Still, this is a 3.5 out of 5.
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With sumviews out of the way, some preview pages!
Uncanny X-men: http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=27525
-I'm sorry, but when a book makes me want Claremont and his general wackiness back (I say this knowing Dino Rachel was the most ridiculous thing ever written), I think that's a problem. Not only are they all uber happy with wide mouths (O_O), but general inconsistencies in this book are major turnoffs to me (looks at nehzno). Also, I like how Dazzler and Iceman have done nothing but be random cardboard cutouts since their returns. Nice, Fraction. Though, should the X-force crew be in this book at all at the moment? I figured they'd be in the future and their spots would be replaced until Messiah War was over.
Messiah War takes place (probably) in just 32 hours so theres no reason to really cut the members out of any given story. Of more concern to me is that both Surge and Hellion are depicted in the preview and last we saw them they were about to die. This is either pre Messiah War or they just blew the ending of the Leper Queen arc.
Quote from: Podmark on April 23, 2009, 07:25:54 PM
Messiah War takes place (probably) in just 32 hours so theres no reason to really cut the members out of any given story. Of more concern to me is that both Surge and Hellion are depicted in the preview and last we saw them they were about to die. This is either pre Messiah War or they just blew the ending of the Leper Queen arc.
You're correct in saying there's no reason that they shouldn't show up, but it'd help if they didn't as it'd show that Messiah War is/has taken place in some form outside of the two books it occupies. Perhaps it's me coming from a writer perspective, but anything to show when a story is taking place AND that it has some sort of importance or effect always sits better with me. *shrugs*. Of course, this point is moot if it happens before Messiah War, but that doesn't explain the other inconsistencies away, which is one of the major reasons Fraction disappoints me on Uncanny.
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Astonishing X-men #29Three months later, this book finally comes out. I can sum up what happens in this book in a few lines, so I'm not going to bother with a spoiler tag or a summary. This is the warning, so if you read pass this point...your bad. ^^
- Storm single-handedly, and quite viciously, beats down a mutate to get some information from him. This beat down includes several stabbings and, when her powers return, a tornado.
- Beast tells Cyclops about his last visit with Forge*
- Cyclops has Wolverine interrogate another fallen mutate while Emma mentally probes the mutate Storm beat down to make sure the stories match
- The team regroup, head to the X-jet, and fly off to meet Forge on Mount Wundagore
- Oh, right, Forge can create his own mutants/mutates/whatever you want to call them.
The issue was basically a giant info dump and the book REALLY needed it. Sadly, I don't remember the 6 issues that came before this one that revolved around this arc. I'm not going to keep picking on the art, but Storm's face was missing for a whole panel. I found it odd. Almost as odd as some of the panel shapes that I'm still trying to adjust to. On the writing side, some things just didn't make sense to me. There was a heavy dropping of Forge's name and Ellis managed to paint the man in the most unfavorable light I've seen in awhile. Forge apparently is a borderline villain, slightly off mentally, and is basically a major screw-up now. Moving from him, we land on Cyclops. Cyclops, Mr. brooding, dark leader, was written as being petty enough to consider framing Storm for the death of the mutate she beat up ONLY because she called him out on his new stance on killing. I wouldn't even remember this conversation if I hadn't written a review on it and I hadn't read the superior "Worlds Apart" mini that also had this conversation. Regardless, it never crossed my mind that Cyclops would even consider doing something like that to a long time friend. This book is completely acceptable, but it has a notable absence of some common sense (I'm not sure why he's under-utilizing Emma's abilities) and even the group interaction is more bleh than the last few issues. It may seem like I'm being hard on the book, and maybe I still am, but it's just "there" at the moment to me and I think it could be much better than it has been. So, this book...
3 out of 5.
*This particular visit was from Endangered Species, and Beast seems to have a twisted memory of it. Regardless, that "shouldn't" be the last time Beast met Forge unless this book completely forgot about Messiah Complex.*
Really Marvel should add duplication to Wolverine in every title. I mean how could he be in NYC with the New Avengers, having solo adventures, fighting mutate with the Astonishing team, and be in the future fighting with X-Force?
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 25, 2009, 08:10:47 PM
Really Marvel should add duplication to Wolverine in every title. I mean how could he be in NYC with the New Avengers, having solo adventures, fighting mutate with the Astonishing team, and be in the future fighting with X-Force?
Well the good news is he won't be in Wolverine er Dark Wolverine anymore. :lol:
Today I had a choice between the Illuminati graphic novel (issues #1-5) and Doomquest (collection from Iron Man #149-150 & #249-250). The Illuminati looked interesting (I like the characters) but it appears to be a 'Bendis Event'. Based on previous comments in this thread I decided to avoid it and go with Doomquest (Doom is my favorite villain and an Iron Clad struggle sounds cool).
I may pick up the Illuminati novel at a later date, but what is the opinion of you fine chaps regarding it? :stupor
Quote from: Torch on April 25, 2009, 11:10:36 PM
Today I had a choice between the Illuminati graphic novel (issues #1-5) and Doomquest (collection from Iron Man #149-150 & #249-250). The Illuminati looked interesting (I like the characters) but it appears to be a 'Bendis Event'. Based on previous comments in this thread I decided to avoid it and go with Doomquest (Doom is my favorite villain and an Iron Clad struggle sounds cool).
I may pick up the Illuminati novel at a later date, but what is the opinion of you fine chaps regarding it? :stupor
Personally I'd say you were missing out on some really good writing and amazing art by Jim Cheung.
Bendis isn't a bad writer, per se, he just has writing glitches and his events usually end averagely. As far as Illuminati goes, it's really just a selection of retcons that Bendis created that was also used to front and build up to other events such as World War Hulk, Secret Invasion, Civil War, and New Avengers stories. If you plan on reading any of those events, or seeing some of the things Bendis added into continuity such as Beyonder being a mutant inhuman, then it's probably worth the read. It's definitely not an "event" book if that's what's worrying you.
Quote from: Torch on April 25, 2009, 11:10:36 PM
Today I had a choice between the Illuminati graphic novel (issues #1-5) and Doomquest (collection from Iron Man #149-150 & #249-250). The Illuminati looked interesting (I like the characters) but it appears to be a 'Bendis Event'. Based on previous comments in this thread I decided to avoid it and go with Doomquest (Doom is my favorite villain and an Iron Clad struggle sounds cool).
I may pick up the Illuminati novel at a later date, but what is the opinion of you fine chaps regarding it? :stupor
You've missed nothing of any value, interest or merit. Good choice.
Quote from: tommyboy on April 26, 2009, 01:27:55 AM
Quote from: Torch on April 25, 2009, 11:10:36 PM
Today I had a choice between the Illuminati graphic novel (issues #1-5) and Doomquest (collection from Iron Man #149-150 & #249-250). The Illuminati looked interesting (I like the characters) but it appears to be a 'Bendis Event'. Based on previous comments in this thread I decided to avoid it and go with Doomquest (Doom is my favorite villain and an Iron Clad struggle sounds cool).
I may pick up the Illuminati novel at a later date, but what is the opinion of you fine chaps regarding it? :stupor
You've missed nothing of any value, interest or merit. Good choice.
Not even the pretty pictures?
Quote from: Previsionary on April 25, 2009, 08:50:25 AM
Quote from: Podmark on April 23, 2009, 07:25:54 PM
Messiah War takes place (probably) in just 32 hours so theres no reason to really cut the members out of any given story. Of more concern to me is that both Surge and Hellion are depicted in the preview and last we saw them they were about to die. This is either pre Messiah War or they just blew the ending of the Leper Queen arc.
You're correct in saying there's no reason that they shouldn't show up, but it'd help if they didn't as it'd show that Messiah War is/has taken place in some form outside of the two books it occupies. Perhaps it's me coming from a writer perspective, but anything to show when a story is taking place AND that it has some sort of importance or effect always sits better with me. *shrugs*. Of course, this point is moot if it happens before Messiah War, but that doesn't explain the other inconsistencies away, which is one of the major reasons Fraction disappoints me on Uncanny.
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Astonishing X-men #29
Three months later, this book finally comes out. I can sum up what happens in this book in a few lines, so I'm not going to bother with a spoiler tag or a summary. This is the warning, so if you read pass this point...your bad. ^^
- Storm single-handedly, and quite viciously, beats down a mutate to get some information from him. This beat down includes several stabbings and, when her powers return, a tornado.
- Beast tells Cyclops about his last visit with Forge*
- Cyclops has Wolverine interrogate another fallen mutate while Emma mentally probes the mutate Storm beat down to make sure the stories match
- The team regroup, head to the X-jet, and fly off to meet Forge on Mount Wundagore
- Oh, right, Forge can create his own mutants/mutates/whatever you want to call them.
The issue was basically a giant info dump and the book REALLY needed it. Sadly, I don't remember the 6 issues that came before this one that revolved around this arc. I'm not going to keep picking on the art, but Storm's face was missing for a whole panel. I found it odd. Almost as odd as some of the panel shapes that I'm still trying to adjust to. On the writing side, some things just didn't make sense to me. There was a heavy dropping of Forge's name and Ellis managed to paint the man in the most unfavorable light I've seen in awhile. Forge apparently is a borderline villain, slightly off mentally, and is basically a major screw-up now. Moving from him, we land on Cyclops. Cyclops, Mr. brooding, dark leader, was written as being petty enough to consider framing Storm for the death of the mutate she beat up ONLY because she called him out on his new stance on killing. I wouldn't even remember this conversation if I hadn't written a review on it and I hadn't read the superior "Worlds Apart" mini that also had this conversation. Regardless, it never crossed my mind that Cyclops would even consider doing something like that to a long time friend. This book is completely acceptable, but it has a notable absence of some common sense (I'm not sure why he's under-utilizing Emma's abilities) and even the group interaction is more bleh than the last few issues. It may seem like I'm being hard on the book, and maybe I still am, but it's just "there" at the moment to me and I think it could be much better than it has been. So, this book...3 out of 5.
*This particular visit was from Endangered Species, and Beast seems to have a twisted memory of it. Regardless, that "shouldn't" be the last time Beast met Forge unless this book completely forgot about Messiah Complex.*
o.O wtf? Cyclops? Why...?
I'd say he needs to get laid, but knowing his and Emma's tract record, maybe a break is more needed. I donno. :banghead:
Quote from: Previsionary on April 17, 2009, 03:51:44 AM*ahem* Secret Invasion itself is very mediocre and drawn out like a typical Bendis event. I'm not going to retread that area, but instead, I'll just give you a link: I'm a Skrull (http://freedomreborn.net/archive/index.php?topic=46613.30), which is the only thread I can find with some thoughts about the event. Strange, I was sure there were more. But yeah, my opinion of, "mediocre, but some of the tie-in books were superior" remains.
Yeah, I wish I could disagree, but I can't. It'd have been more interesting if the goals of the Skrulls didn't fail so utterly.... It'd have also been more interesting if the skrulls hadn't gotten slaughtered like cannon fodder. >_< I mean really, it's a classic case of humans matter aliens don't. The story was pretty cool until the end. The ending was a smplistic military victory, oh and we found all the people the skrulls replaced. I'm still hoping they didn't kill Veranke off, but I don't really think the character will be seen again. :(
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 26, 2009, 04:23:53 AM
Not even the pretty pictures?
POD loves Jim Cheung's art.
FCBD is going to be a treat; Cheung art for free should be a crime.
Quote from: Podmark on April 26, 2009, 09:10:49 PM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 26, 2009, 04:23:53 AM
Not even the pretty pictures?
POD loves Jim Cheung's art.
FCBD is going to be a treat; Cheung art for free should be a crime.
And he draws Thor!
I also love Jim Cheung's art. I loved it on YA when it first came out, and I think if anything, it's only gotten better in the years since.
Quote from: Podmark on April 23, 2009, 07:25:54 PMMessiah War takes place (probably) in just 32 hours so theres no reason to really cut the members out of any given story. Of more concern to me is that both Surge and Hellion are depicted in the preview and last we saw them they were about to die. This is either pre Messiah War or they just blew the ending of the Leper Queen arc.
I'm hoping that's it. I just can't seem to visualize them actually killing off that many characters.
Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk #5:
Yay for this book finally coming out on a regular schedule as its one of the only remaining bright spots in this universe. Last issue focused on She-hulk and how exactly she came to be. If you read the book, you know Ultimate She0hulk IS NOT Jennifer Walters, but someone else entirely.
Spoiler
I want to start this summary off with one thing and one thing only. I want you all to let this image soak and marinate in your heads. Take it allllll in and allow the imagery to flourish in your mind. In an endless field of bamboo sits a man meditating. He's unaware of what's happening, but he's at peace. He's nude and sitting in a field. Suddenly, a panda appears. Not just any panda, but a spirit panda. He's here to guide Wolverine. Isn't that just a great image? No, pals, Wolverine isn't hopped up on drugs, but he is hallucinating after having his head cut off. Surprisingly, he still survived. Not to go too indepth, Fury did this and theorizes that Wolverine's powers may be about surviving instead of healing. He wants to know what Betty and Hulk said just before the area was nuked. Wolverine doesn't say anything, but we get several flashbacks as to what happened from Wolverine's perspective. Eventually, Wolverine is pieced back together and finds himself in a prison cell with his hands mitted. While in the cell, he makes a new ally who he convinces to take him up on an offer in order to escape. The new ally accepts, helps Wolvie escape, and then makes him two objects that Wolverine will use in the final part of this storyline. The book concludes with Wolverine heading after Hulk in Casablanca and Nick Fury listening in.
Ultimately, this was somewhat of an interesting read. It wasn't bad by any means, but I wasn't really into the flashback portions and parts of it seemed a little surreal. A certain scene with Wolverine was a bit ridiculous even by his standards and the art seemed a bit off. I know people like Leinil Yu, but I have never been a huge fan of his style, as I think he focuses too much on drawing and pulling attention to the eye ducts of the characters. I don't particularly want to see that in every close-up panel. Anyway, this is less of a Hulk/She-hulk book, which was last issue admittedly, and more of a Wolverine book with a few interesting concepts. It's a 3 for me. Though, I have to admit, the first few pages really got my attention...in a good way.
Quote from: Previsionary on April 30, 2009, 01:51:36 AM
Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk #5:
Yay for this book finally coming out on a regular schedule as its one of the only remaining bright spots in this universe. Last issue focused on She-hulk and how exactly she came to be. If you read the book, you know Ultimate She0hulk IS NOT Jennifer Walters, but someone else entirely.
Spoiler
I want to start this summary off with one thing and one thing only. I want you all to let this image soak and marinate in your heads. Take it allllll in and allow the imagery to flourish in your mind. In an endless field of bamboo sits a man meditating. He's unaware of what's happening, but he's at peace. He's nude and sitting in a field. Suddenly, a panda appears. Not just any panda, but a spirit panda. He's here to guide Wolverine. Isn't that just a great image? No, pals, Wolverine isn't hopped up on drugs, but he is hallucinating after having his head cut off. Surprisingly, he still survived. Not to go too indepth, Fury did this and theorizes that Wolverine's powers may be about surviving instead of healing. He wants to know what Betty and Hulk said just before the area was nuked. Wolverine doesn't say anything, but we get several flashbacks as to what happened from Wolverine's perspective. Eventually, Wolverine is pieced back together and finds himself in a prison cell with his hands mitted. While in the cell, he makes a new ally who he convinces to take him up on an offer in order to escape. The new ally accepts, helps Wolvie escape, and then makes him two objects that Wolverine will use in the final part of this storyline. The book concludes with Wolverine heading after Hulk in Casablanca and Nick Fury listening in.
Ultimately, this was somewhat of an interesting read. It wasn't bad by any means, but I wasn't really into the flashback portions and parts of it seemed a little surreal. A certain scene with Wolverine was a bit ridiculous even by his standards and the art seemed a bit off. I know people like Leinil Yu, but I have never been a huge fan of his style, as I think he focuses too much on drawing and pulling attention to the eye ducts of the characters. I don't particularly want to see that in every close-up panel. Anyway, this is less of a Hulk/She-hulk book, which was last issue admittedly, and more of a Wolverine book with a few interesting concepts. It's a 3 for me. Though, I have to admit, the first few pages really got my attention...in a good way.
A X-Men/Wolverine book opening with Wolverine sitting down, in the buff, meditating? Gee,
that's never happened before. :rolleyes: Granted, the Shadowcat/Jubilee conversation over said naked meditating Wolverine was awesome.
yes, but did it include a random panda spirit guide and was it a hallucination of a disembodied head? Was it? No? So it wasn't nearly as unique! :P
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Uncanny X-men #509:
I don't think I need to point out my feelings on this book, so I won't. However, I hope this title, which is supposed to be the flagship outside of Astonishing that stole the shine for a few years, picks up speed by the time the Avengers/X-men crossover comes into play because lately it's just been a lifeless tread through the mud to me. If you came into this issue hoping to find out anything about Psylocke, move on.
Spoiler
The book opens with a "I'm happy in San Fran" montage and eventually focuses on the newest X-man, Northstar, as he gives an interview. The interview is cut short as breaking news from Sacramento takes a higher priority. Trask is promoting the Proposition X bill, which would order all mutants to be submitted to chemical birth control in response to the events that started Messiah Complex. The X-men are less than pleased and we get a random scene of Pixie fighting hellfire cultists in the danger room for no real reason. Meanwhile, the X-club make a time machine and decide that perhaps they should jump back in time to the birth of the first mutant to study. Someone born around Namor's birth. Someone already on the team and has a knack for sarcastic remark.
Over with the Sisterhood, Maddie-look-alike tells the team what went on with Psylocke while also explaining her history. We also learn that Psylocke was apparently just taken from time/dimension hopping like it was no big deal. Anyway, she's back in her English body, but under the complete control of Maddie.
The rest of the book focuses on Scott (who couldn't even bear to sleep with Emma), Dazzler, Northstar, and a drunk Pixie (*sigh*). Dazzler and Northstar wonder what's up with Scott, as he tells them everything is fine and he likes sleeping on the couch...shirtless. Seconds later, the Sisterhood overwhelm every member of the X-team...well, all the ones that were awake anyway.
I'm still not feeling the book and I have to wonder why Cyclops all of a sudden had a breakdown. It wasn't alluded to beforehand, so his scene here was just random to me. Pixie drinking was also random as she isn't even legal. Granted, I don't know the exact age of Pixie (I assume she's 15), but having Dazzler and Northstar allowing her to drink at a concert seems a little disheartening, and I already dislike Dazzler these days. The Psylocke parts of this issue didn't feel very important to me, as nothing was really gone into with any amount of detail. We now know how she was captured, what happened to her body, and why, but I wasn't very impressed by any of it. Another thing that bothers me in this book is the constant smiling and the "we're in San Fran and everything is better!" montages we've been getting since Fraction took over the book. We know they're in San Fran, quit reminding us! It's worse than when Spider-man kept getting web jams in his first few arcs of BND. Another thing I didn't like was the art. Of course, it was Greg Land, but this seemed a little below par even for him.
Now that I think on it, this book had a lot going on in it in some form, but none of it felt especially gripping. Sometimes I read this book and it feels like it's just another "by the numbers" story with several cameo shots AND THEN 3 plot advancements when it suits the book. The X-men don't really feel like a close family or even real characters to me in this book, but instead pawns. I should care about someone in some form and I think Fraction is failing on that end. I don't even care that Psylocke is back and she's been one of my favorite characters since she was Captain Britain. Anyway, I feel like I bashed this book to high heavens (deserves it) and I should try to compliment it to give it a bit of balance. So, I was taught, if you don't have anything particularly nice to say, just skip it. :P.
2 out of 5. BTW, I remember the days when the X-men were a somewhat effective team...
what happened?
Pixie was 14 during New X-Men. It's conceivable she's 15 now. It's also conceivable that Fraction and especially Land don't know that.
They mention she is drinking age in Wales and Canada so I'm guessing she's 18 now. Also having Psylocke on the cover was a bait and switch and I really did not appreciate that at all.
Quote from: Podmark on April 30, 2009, 05:46:20 PM
Pixie was 14 during New X-Men. It's conceivable she's 15 now. It's also conceivable that Fraction and especially Land don't know that.
I believe Fraction knows (they do have editors that should keep up with that stuff) as he did bring up her being legal in Wales and Canada, which, unless my knowledge fails me, is incorrect without parental permission.
AA ninja'd me!
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Pixie reminds me that I don't think she should even be in this book. NC and Colossus did bring up X-infernus and I don't recall her teleporting back with them because she ran off before Magik did her spell/created a teleporting disc.
So 4 years have passed since Messiah Complex :rolleyes: Wow Marvel time has really sped up.
I did notice in the preview pics that Pixie has her new soul dagger.
Gee, was Northstar panting over a shirtless Cyclops? Or do we think he's still hung up over Iceman?
I love Northstar on the X-Men. Juggernaut too. Hell, all of the Northstar/Juggernaut team ups were awesome. Twp guys who probably shouldn't have gotten along, and they did.
Nope. Northstar was too drunk with bestie Dazzler and underaged Pixie to care about Cyclops. Pixie was obsessed with him though and Dazzler thought Scott and Emma were like, the perfect couple. Obviously they all hit their heads. :P
Northstar and Iceman were actually in one panel together and shared no dialogue. This is probably because Northstar has a slightly different personality and he has a boyfriend.
Quote from: Previsionary on May 01, 2009, 01:29:40 AM
Pixie was obsessed with him though
Actually Pixie has always had a crush on Cyclops. It was first established in the New X-Men Yearbook.
Quote from: Podmark on May 01, 2009, 03:53:12 AM
Quote from: Previsionary on May 01, 2009, 01:29:40 AM
Pixie was obsessed with him though
Actually Pixie has always had a crush on Cyclops. It was first established in the New X-Men Yearbook.
I...didn't say she didn't [have a crush]. I said she was obsessed (with shirtless cyclops) in the issue. ^^.
Silly, Canadian. This is why I constantly threaten to destroy you.
Twofer:
Just read Cornell's blog, so I figured I'd post some updates:
Dark Reign: Young Avengers (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.7666.Young_Avengers~colon~_Children_at_Work)
- I expect Pod or AA to keep us up to date on this book.
Quote from: CornellBut the other two are new developments. Thor and Hercules: Encyclopedia Mythologica is a guidebook put together by Anthony Flamini, covering all of Marvel's mythological worlds, during which he consulted with myself, Fulsome Fred Van Lente and Gregarious Greg Pak. (Did I get those nicknames right?) My own contribution doesn't really deserve cover billing, since it just consisted of me looking at pages concerning Cap and saying they were awesome. But Dark X-Men: The Beginning #1 is me doing actual comics work. It's a miniseries anthology of Dark X-Men stories, covering how this team came together, and the plan at the moment is for me to have a story in every issue (or all but one, we're still working that out). Anyhow, I'm rather looking forward to July
- Emphasis added by myself. Hopefully, Dark X-men is much better than that other anthology attempt that was "X: Manifest Destiny"
I'll do review of young Avengers with help from Pod is possible. I love Wiccan, Hulkling, and Hawkeye. Also Enchantress is Asgardian so yeah I love her too.
Pod looks very much forward to more Young Avengers.
Also New Mutants returns this week. Will it be good...or bad? Tune in later this week.
War of Kings #3:
Over the last few books, we have seen the war play out between the Inhumans/Kree, the Sh'iar, the Guardians, and the Starjammers. Empress Lilandra was kidnapped and the Starjammers aimed to retrieve her and the Inhumans rallied the Kree forces and Blackbolt refused Starlord's/Peter's request to quell the war.
Spoiler
The book opens with Gladiator and Admiral Ka'ardum stopping Vulcan from killing Lilandra because if she's killed, it makes her a martyr that Vulcan's enemies can rally around. Vulcan accepts this logic and decides that Lilandra will face trial and a public execution. In his thoughts, Gladiator comments on the heavy handedness of Vulcan's attacks on the Kree and how strategic Blackbolt and the Inhumans are. He commends BB and thinks Vulcan is too over-extended and urgent in his tactics.
Meanwhile, Crystal is visiting Ronan in the hospital/medical bay and is updating him on the current situation with the Sh'iar. Ronan is impressed with the efforts Crystal is making towards his species and wonders aloud about the "Uplift Program". Cystal says she'll find out everything she can and flies off. Unfortunately, she doesn't find out much as Maximus has been stalled in his effort thanks to the war, and she's alerted to some possible shady actions by her sister Medusa.
Returning to Gladiator, the new Smasher thanks him for the opportunity and Gladiator tells him he should hope he never lets down the Emperor. Seconds later, the Starjammers + the GotG teleport onto the ship and a fight breaks out. The collective Starjammers have the Imperial Guard on the ropes until Rachel and Raccoon's trick on Gladiator fails. Gladiator speeds off towards the Lilandra, knocking all his opponents out of the way, and stops just before her face. The book ends with Gladiator making a very important choice that could help decide the outcome of this war.
This was a mediocre read to me and I can't help but notice how many participants are in this book (and the tie ins) and how hard it is for me to keep track of them from time to time. The ending, I think, wasn't anything special as I saw it coming long ago. I suppose it's nice to get it out of the way. The trick Raccoon tried to pull on Gladiator during the middle of the book was a pretty smart move, but it brought my mind directly to a storyline that has yet to be explain...how strong is a certain red head at the moment and where did her facial marks come from. I was intrigued during the Inhuman/Ronan parts of the book because so many different things seemed to be at play. I do question why Crystal is so devoted to Ronan and the Kree considering she didn't even want to marry him in the first place, but most of my interest happens to fall with Medusa, Black Bolt, and Maximus. I have to wonder just what is going on there and how will It all blow up in their collective faces in the future. I sense future family drama just over the horizon. Anyway,
3 out of 5. I like how they actually pointed out how ineffective Vulcan seems to be without actually saying so. I really have nothing to say about the art. It's just there to me.
Exiles #2:
Last issue left me lukewarm at best, so I'm hoping Jeff Parker can really pull me in with this issue. Previously, the new team were gathered together and sent on a mission to help Wolverine overthrow Magneto. Oh, one catch, Wolverine is a head on a stick. What to do, what to do?
Spoiler
Morph informs us of the general background of the book and we pick up where last issue left off. The new team is staring at Magneto on a float that has Wolverine's head situated nicely on a stick. Blink comes up with a plan and the others agree, though they get sidetracked with a conversation about who should be the leader. The team eventually makes it into Magneto's safe haven and witness Magneto and his mutants disable a missile. The group also realizes that Wanda and Lorna will be their main members on this mission and that their alternate selves have a very fierce rivalry between themselves and Magneto's wife. The Exiles decide it's best to split into two groups and see what they can find out. Once Exiles members Lorna and Wanda replace their alternate selves, we learn a very interesting fact about who the happy-go-lucky BP is as he speaks with Forge. Their plan starts out amazingly well as they attend a party, but it wouldn't be the Exiles if everything didn't fall apart and leave them in a worse position than when they started.
This book was a definite step up. Parker still has a lot to explain as far as to what happened to the last team of Exiles and where they are now, but I can hold off on that for a while. I loved the interaction between Black Panther and Forge. I also enjoyed how the each member of the team reacted to his or her alternate self. Even more intriguing to me is the contrast between both sets of Magneto's kids. Though, I think the setup itself was very similar to Civil War: House of M. In fact, Parker seemed to be poking fun at a bunch of continuities and he even got a sly Mystique/sex joke in. Also, I must, must, must point out the Forge fight scene only because it was unique...and a bit funny...and I missed the funny.
4 out of 5.
Mmmk, Come on through with New Mutants #1, Pod. And who will hit Cable? Oh Noes!
I really enjoyed both War of Kings and Exiles.
Cable #14:
Last issue, in X-force, Stryfe finally caught up with the team and managed to get his hands on Hope and Warpath as the others watched on in horror. Meanwhile, Archangel flew off to meet with the source of the voice in his head...Apocalypse. Before jumping into the summary and review portions, I want to note how difficult it is to jump from X-force art to the stylized, significantly less detailed, pale, yet semi-bright (in comparison to X-force) art of Cable.
Spoiler
With Hope and Warpath stolen from them, the team tries to think up a plan. Cable immediately proposes that they storm the citadel and free Hope. Deadpool agrees and Wolverine points out that Cable's idea is merely a suicide run. Meanwhile, Stryfe tortures Warpath as Hope watches. Bishop remains behind the scenes, noting how smart Warpath is playing it by keeping Stryfe's attention, as he waits for his chance to get in on the action. That time comes soon as he attempts to disrupt Stryfe and finally take out the girl. Of course, his plan falls apart.
In the interim X-force + Cable + Deadpool decide to split into two teams. Wolverine, Cable, and Elixir will storm the citadel while Domino's team tries to figure out what's keeping them trapped in time. Over the course of their assignments, Deadpool finally lets on that the thing keeping them attached to this current timeline isn't an object, but a person. The book ends with Cable and his crew storming the citadel, Stryfe finally figuring out what's up with Hope, and with wildcard Angel making a decision as to whether or not he'll let Apocalypse manipulate him.
Excluding the art, this was a good read. The last few issues have been expository heavy, and as a result, it amounted to them just standing around the majority of the time. These past two issues have broken that stagnation and has given us action and good interaction from all those involved. I can't wait to see how Stryfe will use his looks to his advantage and I must wonder what will happen between Bishop, Wolverine, and Cable once they're in the same room again. Of course, that action might be sidelined until the end of the event. Makes me wonder though, why is Forge all of a sudden the crazy one (Ellis) when Bishop out-crazies him? Silly X-books.
4 out of 5. BTW, Yost hinted that Josh Foley/Elixir would be earning his stripes soon. Whatever could that mean!?!
New Mutants #1:
This is one of the books many of you/us have been looking forward to...the return of Magik and the return of the New Mutants. Will it be a book worthy of continuing pass the first arc or will it end up in flop heaven like Young X-men? Only time and fan reaction can predict the future of this book. So, I suppose we should start that ship to sailing to see if it'll sink or float, right?
Spoiler
Returning from the future, Magik lands at the X-men base to an ornery collection of New X-men. Before anything can go down, Sam and Robert put an end to the fighting and Magik tries to enlighten them about what's going on with Dani and Shan before passing out. Inside of the mansion's prison, Amara is visiting Empath and he informs her that he will get his revenge on the X-men. He's also blind.
Panels later, Cannonball and Sunspot decide that they believe Magik and will help her with Shan and Dani. Cannonball requests permission to go on the mission and the group gets new costumes for their adventure. As a sidenote, I must point out the tension between Magma and Magik. Good scene.
In Colorado, the team splits into two groups. Illyana and Amara go looking for another girl who happens to be missing that Illyana immediately connects to, and Sam and Berto go looking for Dani and Shan. Illyana and Amara eventually reach a home where the little girl apparently lived and 'Yana goes straight inside, semi-crazed, and goes directly to a door leading into the basement. Amara tries to keep the parental figures under control who threaten to fill Magik with holes. Meanwhile at the bar, Sam and Berto get attacked for being mutants. During the fighting, Sam find Shan behind a locked door. Similarly, Magik and Amara also find her inside of a box in the basement. The book ends with a shocker and I think one of the most captivating pages I've read...this month.
Before I give my opinion on the writing, I want to say that the art wasn't really that impressive to me. Neves did the art in X-men: Worlds Apart and I thought it, and the coloring, were superior in comparison to this book. Now, onto the writing. It was nice seeing the team interact again. They've done so little of that over the past few years that nostalgia was sweeping in while reading it. I loved the scenes between Magik and Amara, Sam and Rob, and I liked the Amara and Empath scene. I do have a problem with how Cyclops was portrayed, but considering how he's been of late (practically none caring about the majority of things), it wasn't all that far off the mark. Regardless, I think it was a good scene between him and Sam and probably something that Uncanny needs to make use of. Cyclops is the leader of the X-men, but he rarely comes off as such in Uncanny, imo. Also, Pixie was in this book when Magik showed up, but not a word was said from her and all she managed to do was charge up her new dagger and disappear from every other panel. Overall though, it was quite the first issue and I'm giving it a
3.5 out of 5. If you're a fan of the old book, you'll most likely like this issue. Though, I don't know if it's new reader friendly as of now. Oh, if you want to see the new costumes, click the spoiler tag below.
Spoiler
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_newstumes.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=newstumes.jpg)
Now...who will skin them? :P
Quote from: Previsionary on May 07, 2009, 03:02:35 AM
Mmmk, Come on through with New Mutants #1, Pod. And who will hit Cable? Oh Noes!
Yeah, sorry, didn't get online last night.
I thought Cable and New Mutants were both very good. They'd be 4/5 both for me. Loved all the continuity nods in New Mutants, but I think Neves has no sense of fashion.
Quote from: Previsionary on May 07, 2009, 02:13:45 PM
Now...who will skin them? :P
I really want to, but gotta finish X-Force first.
Final review of this week for me as it just about wraps up my writing quota:
Amazing Spider-man #593:
Breaking up the X-posts because they're abundant and this is the Marvel Thread...not the X-thread! Last issue, Peter stayed in his Spider-man costume for a few days fighting crime to smite JJJ and walked in on his Aunt May getting her wild 'n out on...because 60 is the new 20.
Spoiler
We open up to a full page of Peter washing his brain to erase the image of Aunt May and JJJ Sr. from his mind. Of course, he's been in the shower for a long time and Aunt May wants to discuss what Peter walked in on. We learn that Aunt May and JJJ Sr. have been dating for about a month and Peter is ultimately ok with it. On his way to the subway, Peter notices that someone is attempting to mug some people and Pete swings into action only to be attacked by JJJ's anti-spider-man goon squad, who he easily escapes with a little help from the crowd. All of Spidey's good deeds eventually reach JJJ and he's beyond annoyed with it. So annoyed that he sets up a trap that Pete, once again, easily eludes while venting some frustration over Norman Osbourne. Eventually, the book gets to the point of fully introducing the new Vulture who Spidey thinks is based off Toomes. To his dismay, this Vulture is not and it costs him...his sight.
Ummmm, the new Vulture was...I really don't have a comment on that guy. It's nice to see Peter get over Aunt May and her love life so easily and we also got another reason as to why Pete decided to don his costume for, um, 2-3 days non-stop. Nothing in the book especially gripped me and I think, at this point, I'd rather see Toomes over his replacement. I will say that the ending has me interested to see what will happen with Peter considering what happened to him should last longer than an issue. So this issue, I consider it a
3. I will now return to picking up this book whenever I don't have another book out I want to buy.
Dark Reign: Young Avengers #1 preview: http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?gid=1022
Captain Britain and the MI13 #13:I know I haven't been reviewing this book as much, but I was trying to spread the love a bit more. Over the past few issues, the MI13 have found themselves in a war with Dracula, who has decided to make a deal with Dr. Doom. This war is personal with Blade, and it becomes even more personal when Blade realizes that Spitfire might have been taken from him. Although the team managed to repel Dracula from invading Britain, they find their plan falling apart as the lord of the vampires outsmarts them.
Spoiler
Following the ending of last issue, the MI13 manage to fight and scare off the remaining minions of Dracula's surprise attack. Later, the team gets together and tries to figure out what to do next. Union Jack is obviously peeved and this finally leads into a confrontation between him and Blade over the revival of vampires and the fate of Faiza's dad and Jac. The team calms them down and moments later, Osbourne contacts them and tells Pete he can offer no sort of assistance in the upcoming war between the Vampires and Britain.
Pete is obviously disappointed and slightly unnerved at being compared to Osbourne, but help ports into their base in the form of Scarlet Witch. She brings the team news that Britain has been blocked off magically from the rest of the world. Meanwhile in space, Dracula is amused by how well his plan is progressing and Spitfire's will finally begins to crack as she gives into her suppressed vampyric cravings.
The book ends on an incredible low note for our British heroes as Spitfire returns to Earth, and the war erupts with little to no warning. No hero, other than Blade, is left standing, and we're left with quite an ender. Could someone else on the MI13 actually be dead?!
This, people, is how an invasion should go down. The characters doing the invading shouldn't look like overhyped wimps, which is how I feel Bendis and the majority of the SI writers portrayed the skrulls. They should be cunning, destructive, and evil. They should literally give the heroes a fight that makes you feel like someone might not survive. I find it odd that the Skrulls, with all their planning, couldn't pull it off as effectively as Dracula and his hordes of Vampires. Of course, this book only affects Britain, so Cornell has more leeway, but I think the general feeling of "they might lose" is something that was missing from SI as a whole. Anyway, this book was a very strong read although the art was a little lower in quality to me. There are quite a few moments in the book that stood out to me, but for the most part, those stand out moments revolved around Blade, Spitfire, and Faiza. I give this issue a mighty 4 out of 5. It's nice to see the MA Avengers in this book for a scene or two considering the MI13 appeared in their book a few weeks ago.
X-factor #43:Last issue, Longshot may or may not have stopped an assassination attempt on a woman that wanted to sleep with him, Madrox and Layla fought a sentinel in the future with Ruby Summers, and PAD continued with his persistent snarky 'tude which finds its way into this issue as well. As SS would say, "don't spoil mah books!" Moving on.
Spoiler
We open with Darwin swinging by Longshot's location to make sure he's ok. He gets no answer and is immediately greeted with a gun to his odd-looking face. It turns out to be an older woman and she uses Darwin as a hostage as Longshot and the woman he's protecting run downstairs. The woman threatens to shoot Darwin, but as luck would have it, the gun backfired and she ends up on the floor in blood.
In the far future, Maddox gives Scott a good hug and comes to his senses. The group makes their way to the Summers' stronghold and Jamie eventually has his finger healed thanks to a healer. Layla wonders how Jamie broke his finger and he ponders whether or not she already knows. Layla "knows stuff" Miller, of course, realizes what happened, and Jamie states he doesn't want to talk about it. This leads into a patented romantic comedy type situation which ends in a passionate—unsettling—kiss.
Meanwhile, Rictor and Guido finally reach their destination and try to talk to the dupe of Maddox. Initially, they don't get very far, but Maddox's wife eventually retrieves her husband and the three stride off to the study to have a discussion. Back at home, Monet and Siryn arrive at the hospital Longshot and Darwin are at, and Siryn is in an obvious bad mood. The fem-duo eventually reach the room and Monet uses her telepathy to find out what exactly the old woman that attempted to kill her daughter was planning to do. What she learns overwhelms her and sends her off her feet.
The book ends on a Rictor and Guido learning the details behind Jamie's disappearance and being attacked by...Cortex/Shatterstar.
This issue was moderately good and all the interaction and character development was very good. I have never been a major fan of Longshot, but I somewhat find his friendship with Darwin very enduring. I never really expected Darwin or Longshot to be doing much of anything once they came back into play, so I suppose it's nice to see PAD using them effectively. I think my favorite scenes in this book revolved around Guido and Rictor if only because PAD took the time to flesh them out more and not leave them in their templates. I'm all for character development. The last page reveal is...whatever. We'll see how that plays out. 3.5 out of 5.
Wolverine #73:Last issue...stuff happened that I can't report on because it has yet to come out. Old Man Logan wasn't a mini because...why? Anyway, this issue is a collaborative effort between Jason Aaron of "Get Mystique"/"Wolverine: Weapon X" fame and Daniel Way of "..." fame. Eventually, this book will be turned into Dark Wolverine, so this is more or less a buildup to the change.
Jason Aaron portion:Spoiler
Everyone has gripes with Wolverine and Jason Aaron literally addresses them here. Aaron sums up all those team-ups Wolverine takes part in, his role with the X-men, X-force, and New Avengers, and his free time wonderfully as we go through a day by day schedule with our most beloved/hated mutant. Not only that, but also some essential plot points come out through the small amount of panel time each day is given. We now officially know that Mystique survived her fall in Iceman's Manifest Destiny story and that Wolverine and Cyclops know about it; that Yukio is worried about Logan and thinks he is having a breakdown; and that being everywhere at once obviously wears Wolvie down even if he never shows it.
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Claremont joke = -1 in scoring. Yes, I am opening this portion with that. This story is about Wolverine being pulled over by a cop, a bunch of biker friends helping him out, and Wolverine getting drawn into a fight that doesn't exactly involve him. It's nothing one hasn't already seen.
If this book was just Jason Aaron or if Aaron had written the majority of it, I'd be singing praises. However, that's not the case with this issue. Jason Aaron's portion was good. Jason took a gripe we have all talked about—"Wolverine appearing in so many places at once"—and made it into a cameo driven story that showed how worn out that lifestyle was leaving Wolverine. Even better, the cameos in this book worked out more effectively than anything I've seen by Fraction in Uncanny, so maybe someone needs to ask for tips. I mean, Iceman appeared in this book, had several lines of dialogue, had a brief fight scene, and was much more enjoyable than whatever Fraction has him doing...which is usually having Bobby standing awkwardly. And while it wasn't a very complex story or even all that strong, I just found it enjoyable and it confirmed a few things. Mystique survived her MD fall and the X-men now know she's alive, and Juggernaut is fully on the evil path. Now, Way's portion was just same ol', same ol'. I really could have done without it, and I wasn't a fan of the art style. I don't even have anything to say about it because I stopped reading it halfway in. If I could just judge Aaron's portion, it'd be a
3...but with Way's portion, it's a low
2.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 02, 2009, 03:16:20 AM
I'll do review of young Avengers with help from Pod is possible. I love Wiccan, Hulkling, and Hawkeye. Also Enchantress is Asgardian so yeah I love her too.
Quote from: Podmark on May 03, 2009, 08:07:49 PM
Pod looks very much forward to more Young Avengers.
*emphasis mine*
DA: Young Avengers #1:
I wasn't supposed to review this. Pormark, AA...where y'all at, huh? This is totally your book and you don't even review it? Get out of my reality. :P
Spoiler
We immediately open to the New Young Avengers (NYA) getting into a fight with a bunch of robbers. This battle doesn't go as heroically as planned as several members from the opposing force end up dead and the NYA end up placing the last remaining member in a forced coma and escaping before the cops can get to them. Shortly after, in a bar, the team has a few beers and settles down before heading to Central Park via the Enchantress. This is the location of their base, which is an invisible manor. The rest of the book is fairly low key and focuses on giving us character moments to connect us with the new group. Chris, the leader of the NYA who really aspires to do good, but doesn't know how to go about it, gets the better of the screen time and the book ends with the real YA showing up and wondering why this new group thinks they can use their name.
This book was all right. I enjoyed some of the character moments, and I think it's interesting that Cornell decided to add in a racist character. It certainly helps to build a different dynamic and she seems to love robots like a certain crazy witch. Um, there's not much more to say about the book, as it was fairly low key and focused on character moments more so than action or plot advancement. There's nothing particularly bad to say about it except it lacked the YA, but there's also nothing particularly great to point out either.
So, it's a mild 3. If it helps anyone form a decision about whether or not to pick up this book, I will say that in this issue the team didn't come off as evil. Flawed, yes; directly evil, no.
Black Panther V5 #4:
Spoiler
"Black Panther is Dead!" reports one of Man-ape's subjects to his obvious delight. So delighted is the Man-Ape that he thinks he'll finally take BP's spot. Unfortunately, all does not go as planned as Man-ape finds himself consumed by the evils of Morlun. Meanwhile, in death, BP continues to resist Death's embrace. Death then resorts to showing T'challa his father in an effort to get the hero to accept his fate.
Simultaneously, Storm is still indisposed while taking dangerous measures to save her husband and Shuri is upset that her mother couldn't be with her as she takes a bite into the herb. The scene then jumps back and forth between Shuri's meeting with the Panther god, where we learn that her jealousy keeps her from being chosen for the mantle, and Death's efforts in trying to convince T'challa to accept his death as fate. The book ends with T'challa fighting Death's minions just as Storm shows up on the final page.
While this book may be getting better to a degree, it's still very slow. Four issues in and we still don't really know who the new BP will be. I guess my problem with this arc is that it's soooooo strrrrreeeettttccchhheeeddd out and it doesn't necessarily seem like it needs all this space to get to the point. Anyway, it's an improvement and I rate it a 3. At least Storm does things here and comes off as powerful in comparison to her Uncanny portrayal...*see preview*
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Uncanny X-men 510: http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/124224662886829.htm
Ultimate revamped covers: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21235
-Spidey looks younger via the cover...
Speaking of spidey, can someone cover USM #132?
Quote from: Previsionary on May 17, 2009, 06:24:09 AM
Captain Britain and the MI13 #13:
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 02, 2009, 03:16:20 AM
I'll do review of young Avengers with help from Pod is possible. I love Wiccan, Hulkling, and Hawkeye. Also Enchantress is Asgardian so yeah I love her too.
Quote from: Podmark on May 03, 2009, 08:07:49 PM
Pod looks very much forward to more Young Avengers.
*emphasis mine*
Well
POD hasn't been home in over a week and has only had light internet use <_<
I'll largely agree with your review of DR:YA but it's a setup issue and I think the rest might be stronger.
Also POD is a big fan of Mark Brooks! :thumbup:
I was preparing for a wedding! but yeah I finally picked up a copy of DR:YA yesterday and I was sort of meh and here is why:
Spoiler
The characters seem blah with Coat-of-Arms at the top of the blah list and Egghead at the bottom (I sort of like him better than Vision 2.0).
While Executioner is the one I'm least interested in (I get that he's the teams Wolverine/Punisher and every good team needs one) I find Coat-of-Arms the most boring. She just isn't interesting despite the whole "I have an agenda thing".
Big Zero's racism seems too forced. I know a few racists (not really friends with them but we know each and sort of tolerate one another) and not everything that comes out of their mouths is "frell those other ethnic people".
Melter...what can I say about him other than he's not a bad guy, he's just sort of clueless to what is going on with his team. Also that old woman overreacted to him helping. I've helped people in NYC before they do not mace you for picking up their groceries in daylight.
Enchantress is just the deus ex machina but without the charm or character (see Billy, Scarlet Witch, every female character written by Chris Claremont).
Egghead was the standout for me. I loved his design and he was sort of lovable especially about the whole being programed to be racist thing.
I am hoping the next issue picks up though because I want to like this title more than all the other YA one-shots.
Pre won't like this:
http://www.paulcornell.com/2009/05/goodbye-captain-britain.html (http://www.paulcornell.com/2009/05/goodbye-captain-britain.html)
Quote from: Silver Shocker on May 19, 2009, 07:31:05 PM
Pre won't like this:
http://www.paulcornell.com/2009/05/goodbye-captain-britain.html (http://www.paulcornell.com/2009/05/goodbye-captain-britain.html)
What the heck is this crap? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooOOOoooOOooOOOOO! Why...Why, SS, why? *explodes violently*
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Now that the dramatics are over, at least Cornell got to complete his run the way he saw fit even if he only got 3-4 arcs + an annual. If Marvel is contempt with keeping horrible books on the shelves while ending and barely promoting good books, then that's fine with me. They just get less of me money. ^^
Aug! Captain Britain is one of my top books right now, this is so frustrating.
A little while ago, there was speculation as to whether Emma and Prof were actually part of the Dark X-men. Well, Solicits confirm it is and we should learn how she got Namor on the team and how exactly Prof came into play.
Quote from: http://jasoneaaron.blogspot.com/2009/05/solicitations-for-august.htmlDARK X-MEN: THE BEGINNING #3 (of 3)
Written by PAUL CORNELL, JASON AARON & OTHERS
Penciled by HUMBERTO RAMOS, JOCK & OTHERS
Cover by JAE LEE
The conclusion to the anthology that illustrates the conception of the Dark X-Men. If you're reading UTOPIA and think you know the whole story, think again. In this issue, Emma Frost convinces Namor to join the team. And learn where Professor X fits into UTOPIA. Also, witness the first Marvel Comic with art by JOCK (Losers, Green Arrow: Year One)!
Quote from: http://jasoneaaron.blogspot.com/2009/05/solicitations-for-august.htmlIn this issue, Emma Frost convinces Namor to join the team.
"Convinces." Right.
Someone needs to explain to the Dodsons that Cloak is not a Pimp Named Slickback. He should not have a silk perm and his cloak does not double as a spot for johns to do their business with Dagger.
I swear after someone commented about the Cloak's perm that is the only thing I could think. I mean they were living on the streets since they were teenagers and it wouldn't be that far from reality (though I hope Marvel never adds that on as some secret history of Cloak and Dagger).
Uncanny X-Men 510 (for a real review wait for Prev's but this one has two pictures!)
Spoiler
I would comment on how this issue's art was overly distracting and made what could have been a fast pace action issue into freeze framed porno but that would be stating the obvious if Land is on pencil (or lightbox).
With that said I really wish they would stop teasing this whole Psylocke thing. I'm tired of wasting my money on a comic when a character who I am interested in is only in 4-5 pages and gets stabbed (twice) by the real star of all Marvel Comics (if you don't know I'm talking pick up New Avengers or Astonishing X-Men, or even Spider-man from time to time). But whatever, it's Marvel. This is how they steal my money every Wed, so what's new?
The only major point in this whole comic was that Maddie-Jean Grey thing. She stole some of Jean's hair from Logan, who had it since her death at the hand of Xorneto, to make a new body. That was the whole frickin' point of the Sisterhood's attack. Obtain magical Phoenix hair to make Faker-Jean a real girl again. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't completely confused why they just didn't have Spiral teleport in steal it and not get their lubed up behinds handed to them but I am sure Fraction does not have has a reason.
This may be a total longshot but I think this dimension traveling "Maddie" who found Psylocke is actually a "Jean Grey". If you read any of the issues of X-Man that Warren Ellis plotted you'd know what I'm referring to, but if not read about it here: Red Queen (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/redqueenearth998.htm).
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2gumonl.jpg)
If my guess is true, it would be interesting and it would prove to me that Fraction wants to be a good writer (by stealing good writer's ideas). In fact I'm starting to think it's not that I hate the story or writing but I just can't get past all the L3@h Luv O-faces (if you don't know what I'm talking about please do not ask me or Google it) that Greg Land draws. Everyone knows he can't draw without the aid of a lightbox and dirty movies so what does he continue to be put on major titles? If anyone should be drawing Models Inc (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/120801-MarvelsModels.html). He could just trace pictures from fashion magazines and have stiff lifeless poses and not one what think anything of it. In fact, he just might win award on the fiercest tracing.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/fvk8jr.jpg)
AA beat me. My Sumview of Uncanny isn't much brighter.
Wolverine: Weapon X #2:Jason Aaron was given his own Wolverine book and this is the result of it. Last issue, Wolverine found out from Maverick that the Weapon X files and their adamantium process has been stolen by something known as the Blackguard, and this shady corporation has already begun to use the adamantium process on others.
Spoiler
The opening few panels are in a newsroom as a group of reporters/journalists try to decide which story they should run. Eventually, they decide to go with Punisher, but one reporter isn't happy that his co-worker, who was saved by Wolverine last issue, was trying to cover his beat. He tells her to back off, so she does the exact opposite of backing off and continues to investigate Wolverine and Weapon X. Unfortunately, she doesn't find out anything because no one is willing to speak to her. That is until she gets an anonymous call that informs her to begin investigating something known as the "Blackguard".
Meanwhile, Wolverine is on an airplane heading for Colombia. Once he arrives, he goes to a bar where he knows people and orders a round of drinks in an effort to draw out whoever is looking for him. An undisclosed amount of time later, Logan stumbles out of the bar drunk while singing, and his would-be attackers begin to snipe him out. They came prepared with three bullets that can release 38 different kinds of cancer into Logan's system. It may not kill him, but it'll certainly slow him down. Of course, their plan doesn't go as expected when Wolverine ends up right on top of them without them knowing...but this wouldn't be Wolverine without a showdown...with enhanced enemies that resemble his makeup!
The rest of the book is hardcore battling between Wolverine and the two techno-advanced snipers that came to take him out of commission. The battle lasts just under ten minutes, but Wolverine finds himself surrounded by several other humans that have undergone the advancements from the "Blackguard". In this moment, he realizes he can't win this fight head-on and retreats into the jungle.
I felt this issue was an ok read. While nothing really progressed, I enjoyed Jason Aaron making another joke about Wolverine's overexposure. I wasn't really sold on the art, but it was completely passable. I mean, there were a few panels that stood out to me as being really good, but the majority of it was just mediocre, imo. As for the enemies in this book, I really don't know how I feel about the advancements the villains undertook in this issue. I mean, laser claws? No. This probably comes from me seeing it done before the "admantium men" in Ultimate X-men, but it's really not a concept I dig. Regardless, good read by an author that really seems to understand Logan better than the other current Wolverine writers. I'm thinking two Wolvie books could be canceled and this one could fill the void at the moment, and we're only 2 issues in. Big words, Prev, big words.
3 out of 5.
Uncanny X-men #510:Last issue, the sisterhood surprise attacked the X-men and took out every awake member, I was left wondering why Storm is in Uncanny while she's fighting for her husband's life, and Pixie got drunk with her best friends, Dazzler and Northstar.
Spoiler
This issue jumps off with a huddled Armour being greeted by X23. The two team up and navigate the empty halls of the base in an attempt to escape Chimera. This plan obviously falls apart, but the scared duo are saved by the all mighty power of Pixie, who teleports the two to safety and immediately asks for Wolverine.
Speaking of Wolverine, he's busy fighting with his old bestie, Psylocke. Simultaneously, Emma is still tied down and is having her mind messed with thanks to Lady Mastermind. Eventually, a blurry Jean (?) appears to her and offers a bit of help that allows Emma to escape her bonds in diamond form. Emma then smacks L. Mastermind on the back of the head, which somehow knocks her upside down. Go figure. After the battle, Emma saves Cyclops from his mental hell that happens to be a room full of his dead friends.
Back to Wolverine, he's still fighting Psylocke, and eventually Lady D. joins in. Of course, when "Maddie" begins messing with something personal of Wolverine's, the fight ends quickly and he confronts her.
Meanwhile, Pixie is still hopping around the school gathering up reinforcements. She manages to get a smiling/meditating Elixer and the Three-In-One (TIO) to help her. The team teleports off to Colossus and NC and heals them just before Chimera pops in. the TIO stay and fight while Pixie teleports to the brig and shatters Empath's consciousness.
Anyway, the sisterhood eventually escapes after Maddie retrieves what she was looking for—a lock of Jean's hair—and the X-men realize that a dampening field isn't enough to hold enemies at bay.
I really tried to go into this book being open, but so many problems are piling up every arc we go into. Ignore Psylocke in this arc, she's not even important. Ignore Storm, Dazzler, NC, Colossus, X23, and Armor; they're just cameos for the most part. There were so many things bugging me in this issue that I literally wanted to bang my head into a wall. Emma being able to use her telepathy in diamond form is a big "no-no" right off the back. The Psylocke/Wolverine double showdown looked remarkably similar both times the splash pages showed up. In fact, why was Psylocke even ordered to fight Wolverine when Lady D. was doing an adequate job last issue? Heck, she just ended up back in the fight anyway...only to be defeated off-panel, along with Psylocke, when Maddie walked into Wolverine's room for the object she wanted. The Three Cuckoos, and their creepy smiling because that's EXACTLY what they're known for (-_-), were fighting Chimera and spouting out lines about tantric sex. They're like 15. I know they're related to Emma, but that's pushing it. Oh, didn't I say something about cameos? Martinique was in exactly one panel in this issue. She's a sisterhood member, right? Shouldn't she be doing something? And finally, who...who goes through all the effort they went through to get such a small item? This book was a bunch of crazy plot issues that I refuse to endorse. I'm glad Beast wasn't around hogging pages with his boring X-club story, but still, I wish Fraction would at least attempt to understand the characters he writes. I mean, it's no one's fault but his own that he chose to fill the whole base up with strong characters and then have them all taken out off panel. I'm so uninterested in this run now that I don't even care what happens to Psylocke anymore. I'll pick this up again when the crossover starts. Maybe.
2 out of 5. I was so stuck on the plot points that I didn't even get to mention art. I'll do that now. It was full of teeth and mediocre panels. Done.
Oh one more thing about Uncanny X-Men -
Spoiler
"All we need to know is that Maddie looks a lot like Jean Grey and Scott Summers was once married to her. Oh, and she's called the Red Queen now" From CBR (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=1029)
I think that is yet another point for my theory of her being the X-Man's Maddie/Jean Grey. I would be overjoyed if Nate Grey returned somehow.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 21, 2009, 03:51:39 AM
I think that is yet another point for my theory of her being the X-Man's Maddie/Jean Grey. I would be overjoyed if Nate Grey returned somehow.
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Emo Nate, or Shaman Nate? Both had their ups and downs. Though seeing Shaman Nate talking to Cable about everything that happened around the begining of Cable/Deadpool could be awesome. "Wait, you did what?"
[rant] I needed a superior book to
sumview to erase my thoughts about Uncanny...which i now find unintentionally funny. Like how Land copied the Cuckoos in every panel or how odd Pixie's arms looked in a panel or two. Let's not forget the amazing Fraction Captions that so many review sites want to praise him for, yet never seem to praise other writers for doing the exact same thing! I'll never understand how some reviewers can rate Fraction's Uncanny run as great in comparison to his Ironfist and Ironman runs. Better reads than anything he put out on Uncanny. [/rant]
Captain America #50:Last issue focused entirely on Sharon Carter and on how she was dealing with Cap's death and her own kidnapping/supposed abortion. It also brought back evil 50s cap and Sharon's aunt.
Spoiler
Action! No time for buildup as Bucky immediately finds himself under heavy fire while on patrol. Of course, this is his birthday, and for one reason or another, mechanical flying men with high tech weaponry are chasing him down. After a brief flashback to a time before Bucky met Cap, we rejoin Bucky as he continues to run for his life. He takes a picture of the men following him and contacts Clint for help. After another flashback of a later birthday during WWII, Bucky, as Cap, jumps into action and saves a woman and her child from being killed by a rocket heading their way. This completely enrages Bucky and he aims to end the fight with a well-timed shield throw. Of course, that doesn't exactly end the fight and it continues on for a few more pages until Bucky completely takes his pursuers down. Why were they chasing him? He's not the REAL Captain America. After the battle, Bucky returns to the base and is truly "surprised" by what he finds.
I somewhat enjoyed this issue. It was nothing big or deep; it was just a story about a boy who hasn't had a great birthday in years. The whole theme of this issue more or less revolved around it and the relationship Bucky had with Steve and some of the other characters around him. It's more or less a feel good issue with a happy ending. Nothing wrong with that before the big #600. If you needed a jumping on point for this series, this is the issue for you. Most of it is a giant, "here's what you need to know to catch up," info dump including the backups. Some would call this a filler issue, and I guess you'd be correct, but it's more accurately labeled as a character-building issue. A bit slow and not as important to the overall arc, but not completely pointless or without merit. I give this issue a 3.
Incredible Herc/Hulk solicits (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.8017.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_August_2009_Smashing_Previews)
Looks like Greg Pak is returning to Hulk for issue 601 AND it has a she-hulk back-up by ex-Wolverine First Class/Marvel Zombies 3 writer, Fred Van Lente. Though, one question, what's with the shield, Banner? Also, can anyone explain to me why Red Hulk is 4 dollars when every issue so far is guest appearances and Red Hulk trashing, or killing, them? I refuse to be sucked in by X-force and Deadpool guest-starring in said book.
But why? x-force is AWESOME!
But this is Jeph Loeb we're talking about here. He'll find some way to screw them up.
Hey Prev - I really like this thread. Is there any chance we can implement a rating system for each issue? So we can glance and see if you feel it is worth reading?
For example:
Captain America #50 (B+):
Last issue focused entirely on Sharon Carter and on how she was dealing with Cap's death and her own kidnapping/supposed abortion. It also brought back evil 50s cap and Sharon's aunt....
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It could be something like: A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, D+, D, D-, F
Just to give enough range for how you felt about the book overall (story, art, pacing etc.)
Quote from: Torch on May 27, 2009, 05:41:52 PM
Hey Prev - I really like this thread. Is there any chance we can implement a rating system for each issue? So we can glance and see if you feel it is worth reading?
For example:
(SNIP)
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It could be something like: A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, D+, D, D-, F
Just to give enough range for how you felt about the book overall (story, art, pacing etc.)
My ratings appear at the end of the "sumview," and I use a 5 point scale. Do you mean putting the rating beside the comic title instead of in my summary/opinion section?
Bring back the Prev-O-Meter!
Quote from: Previsionary on May 27, 2009, 09:20:22 PM
Quote from: Torch on May 27, 2009, 05:41:52 PM
Hey Prev - I really like this thread. Is there any chance we can implement a rating system for each issue? So we can glance and see if you feel it is worth reading?
For example:
(SNIP)
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It could be something like: A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, D+, D, D-, F
Just to give enough range for how you felt about the book overall (story, art, pacing etc.)
My ratings appear at the end of the "sumview," and I use a 5 point scale. Do you mean putting the rating beside the comic title instead of in my summary/opinion section?
Yes. Though the bolding where they are also helps. The point is, if I see it as 4 out of 5 at the top, I may just read the book and not spoil it by reading the entire review. Then come back after I read it and check out your summary. If you give it a 1 out of 5, I'll probably just read your summary and not bother with the book. Either way, it is nice of you to post your opinions in the first place so I am happy either way. :thumbup:
Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk #6 (3):Here's the final issue of the series that took years to make! Last issue, Wolverine found himself with his head cut off, freeing Forge from prison, and inadvertently leading Fury to Hulk's location.
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What's one of the most common questions Wolverine gets from people? No, I'm not talking about how he shows up everywhere or how his claws operate exactly, but this one: "how do you go through metal detectors?" This issue tells us exactly how Logan gets past those pesky things, and the way he does it is quite unique. Of course, he puts the attention on someone else, but what could possibly be the harm in that?
Next scene, Wolverine is knocking on Betty's door and ordering her to put on the dampening collar. Betty doesn't immediately agree to this, but after Wolverine reasons with her by almost taking her life—in She-hulk form—she agrees to his demands. Logan then sets off to meet Banner, which he eventually does one day later on a plane heading to Casanova. Logan meets Banner and sits beside him. After Logan attaches the collar to Banner, a conversation starts up where it is revealed that Logan has no problem with Banner, but he does have issues with the Hulk, and Banner claims he can now control the beast inside him. Banner then argues that Logan is really a good person, and to prove this, he jumps out of the plane with Logan following behind him. The two continue to have a conversation about how good Logan is as they plummet to the earth. This discussion continues until the last possible moment where Logan finally makes a decision and...
On the ground, Nick Fury, who claims that Logan is jacking his style, greets Logan and Hulk. Nick is not there to kill Banner/Hulk, but there is a few things he wants to get off his chest. Nick now has Betty in his clutches thanks to Logan, and if he can't kill Hulk, Nick wants to have something in his corner to force Hulk under his control. As for Logan, he's now on Nick's "bad" list. No one wants to be on Nicky's "bad" list. The book and series concludes with Nick riding off and Hulk and Logan being somewhat chummy.
I'm a little mixed on the ending of this series. Sure it had a lot of action in this particular arc, finally tied up a missing part of the storyline, and concluded its run years down the line, but I'm left with a, "was it worth it?" feeling. That's probably not a feeling a book should leave you with. I mean, the majority of the later issues played "flashback," and there was very little Hulk vs. Wolverine action in any issue past issue 3. A problem I had with this book was how fast-forwarded everything was. Wolverine was all over the place in this issue and I can't help but think that if the previous issues weren't so full of flashbacks, some of this could have been culled out or, at the very least, written with more forward momentum. I did find it odd that Lindelof wrote in song lyrics to a Kanye West song that came out, I think, last year, but I'll consider it a joke.
I'll rate this issue a 3 and the overall series a 3. It'll probably be the last good book of the original Ultimates line, but is that really a compliment at this point? Also, the ending of this particular book wasn't the most original or true to form piece of writing I've seen. It might possibly let some of you down if you had too high expectations.
X-men Legacy #224 (3):
Last issue, Rogue was fighting for her life in Danger room scenarios, and Xavier and Gambit found themselves betrayed by the Sh'iar.
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Opening shot, Mystique and Rogue discussing Rogue's inability to touch people and how Mystique is holding her back from something. They then discuss what Rogue did to Gambit and how she should chase after her own interests over her loves. Cut to: Rogue in the Sh'iar ship trying to save her ex-lover Gambit. She manages to shoot one of the Sh'iar members with the ship's weapons, but her luck falls short when the door to the ship is opened and she finds herself beaten by one of the female members. Rogue then finds her life very quickly about to end, but Xavier comes through with a save by reactivating Danger. This, of course, causes the Sh'iar to teleport out of the fray, and Danger and the X-men sit around a fire and have a civilized discussion. Danger and Xavier have now deducted things about Rogue's powers that Xavier wasn't able to see before. The next few pages are of Xavier telepathically walking through Rogue's mind in an effort to tear down the "partitions" that are disallowing her powers to develop naturally. After some time has passed, Rogue awakens and feels like her skin is on fire. Fearing that the procedure failed, she goes and talks to Xavier who tells her that the process worked fine and she'll have to learn how to control her powers. The book ends with Rogue learning she does have some type of control over her powers, she and Remy agreeing to wait on discussing their relationship, and Danger and Xavier being cool with each other.
This issue was better than the last one, methinks, but still remains in that vaguely mediocre area. If you don't have a love for Gambit, Xavier, Rogue, or Danger, this arc just won't impress you. Rogue, of course, was reset to her status quo—no more mystique—but she's also on her way to fine-tuning her powers. I did find it odd that Carey stated she has never experienced control in her powers because I'm pretty sure she has (X-treme X-men) in one form or another. Perhaps not a natural control but that's beside the point.
This issue is a 3. If you're a Rogue fan, this is the issue and arc for you.
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USM #133: Final issue preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2708&disp=table)
Ultimatum #4: Preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2709&disp=table)
About time they finally resolved that dangling plotline.... It's taken what? 50 years?
Quote from: marhawkman on May 29, 2009, 01:25:43 AM
About time they finally resolved that dangling plotline.... It's taken what? 50 years?
Meh, Scott is the same way. Difference is, he asked Emma to put his mental blocks back up. Said he wasn't ready for the control, or something along those lines.
Btw, Does Gambit still look like a Drow? Or is he back to normal? 'cause, seriously. I can't look at "Death" Gambit and
not think "Wtf? It's a dark elf!"
Yeah, Gambit hasn't looked like that in a long while. I'm pretty sure by the time he appeared in Carey's X-Men as part of Sinister's Marauders the Death look was gone for good. He definitely doesn't look like that in Legacy.
Maybe he'll suddenly realize he can do like warren and switch back and forth at will. :)
Astonishing X-men #30: preview (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21398)
Anyway, is anyone going to review/summarize GotG or X-force?
I haven't actually read Guardians yet. X-Force sorta goes like this:
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Stryfe tries to fool Hope into thinking he is Cable after removing his helmet. Warpath breaks out of his bonds and attempts to fight Stryfe but is quickly defeated. Bishop attempts to fight Stryfe but Stryfe defeats him and destroys his bionic arm. Wolverine and Cable attempt to break into Stryfe's headquarters but encounter Stryfe and are hit hard. Using his TK, Styfe gets Wolverine to stab himself in the face (can adamantium claws cut an adamantium skull?) Meanwhile, Archangel discovers that Apocalypse wants to help Cable and X-Force kill Stryfe.
I was fairly disappointed with this issue. It suffered from a consistent problem with this crossover, i.e. that the events are progressing too slowly. Writing the summery for the issue really hit home the fact that very little of note really happened in the issue. In addition to that, Clayton Crain's usually striking artwork was murky, and at times hard to follow, definitely not on par with his work before the crossover started.
I give it a
2 on the
Prevo-Meter (that's out of 5 right?)
am i the only one who read amazing spider-man 595 got to the last page and though ohh for *@?" sake
Quote from: Silver Shocker on May 30, 2009, 03:46:55 PM
I was fairly disappointed with this issue. It suffered from a consistent problem with this crossover, i.e. that the events are progressing too slowly. Writing the summery for the issue really hit home the fact that very little of note really happened in the issue. In addition to that, Clayton Crain's usually striking artwork was murky, and at times hard to follow, definitely not on par with his work before the crossover started.
I give it a 2 on the Prevo-Meter (that's out of 5 right?)
Correct, it's out of 5. I feel similarly to you, though you did cut out some parts of Angels very small subplot...or B-story...or whatever. I think X-force is ultimately suffering from crossing over with Cable because the book is forced to slowdown for
Cable to keep up and contribute to the plot. It doesn't help that this crossover is 7 or so issues. Hopefully it'll have a strong ending that will build up intrigue for Messiah...
whatever.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on May 30, 2009, 07:36:46 PM
am i the only one who read amazing spider-man 595 got to the last page and though ohh for *@?" sake
I actually bought this issue for Joe Kelly. Though I wasn't fond of that final page, I'm more than willing to give Joe a chance to explain his 5 part story.
Previews for next week: Click (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21476)
I really should review things again, but so little time...
I read four comics Secret Six, Amazing Spider-Man, Mighty Avengers, and New Mutants. All I'd give a 3/5. Worst was probably Mighty because of irritating art and a contrived plot with Hank saying "bring it, b#tch!" to Reed (ugh). My favorite was Amazing though.
Yay for quick unhelpful reviews!
thanks for the quickies, Poddy. I decided not to review things this week. I will comment on three books:
Amazing Spider-man:
I like Joe Kelley's run thus far. It makes me miss him on Deadpool because this is probably one of the few times I have found the book to have any real sense of humor. However, I do question the inclusion of a street walker in an all ages book, and a certain scene with Venom wasn't really all that appropriate with the vibe it was giving off. Also, while I can accept the mentioning of Gwen "true love" Stacy, I always find myself becoming cautious when they mention her.
Mighty Avengers:
Between this book and New Avengers, I don't find either very entertaining. New Avengers has a habit of focusing on a few characters while everyone stands around and Mighty Avengers has a habit of mis-characterizing certain characters such as Hercules. The Reed/Hank fight may have been amusing, but I didn't exactly understand the point of it. Hank has made up for his misdeeds several times and, as of this moment, Reed is the bigger screw-up and everyone should be wary of him and Tony having big toys. Regardless, this book and New Avengers just aren't all that great to me at the moment.
Ultimate Spider-man Finale (kinda):
This isn't the real finale as the story officially ends in USM: Requiem. This was a silent issue, but as I read it, I realized that Bendis made a mistake in making it silent. Most of the issue didn't lend itself out to that genre. Since I didn't read ultimatum, the verdict is still out on whether or not Peter is truly dead. I, personally, don't care anymore. Anyway, I found it unusual that "chatty" Bendis would even attempt a silent issue. I think he pulled it off well enough; however, the book's own atmosphere and action didn't make very good use of it. Also, I find it a bit jarring that Bendis resulted to using dumb Hulk just because Loeb is. It's even harder to take in logically when a mini-series just ended explaining that Banner can control his Hulk side better. Whatever.
The silent ultimate spider-man "finale" didn't really work for me; since they're re-starting this series, unless it's titled Ultimate Spider-(wo)man, I think they need the main character among the living, and wordless comics are more of a gimmick.
Quote from: Previsionary on June 06, 2009, 01:40:21 AM
thanks for the quickies, Poddy. I decided not to review things this week. I will comment on three books:
Amazing Spider-man:
I like Joe Kelley's run thus far. It makes me miss him on Deadpool because this is probably one of the few times I have found the book to have any real sense of humor. However, I do question the inclusion of a street walker in an all ages book, and a certain scene with Venom wasn't really all that appropriate with the vibe it was giving off. Also, while I can accept the mentioning of Gwen "true love" Stacy, I always find myself becoming cautious when they mention her.
for me personally replace the word cautious with the words mind numbingly bored
Not reviewing today, but I read Uncanny X-men: First Class. I loved it. The Wolverine portion of the book was at Deadpool levels of humor. In fact, I have pics. Spoilers pics below.
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Read the latest Warmachine. Cool! I like the American Eagle guy. Not much happened, but there was a really cool scene that illustrated why Knights would raise their face shield as a form of salute.
Having read Uncanny now, I reeeeeallly want to see what AA thinks. AA, please post this week. :P
I read it at 1am last night and I have to say it was the most anti-climatic end issue ever and here's why:
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First I understand putting Psylocke in the original body was a test by the Red Queen (who is obviously not who I thought it was) but having a character who showed up two panels out of four/five issues blow off Psylocke's face was stupid and smack in the face to all who actually thought she was going to get her body back. I'm also extremely annoyed with Fraction for once again making Psylocke the victim of brainwashing and having her fight her evil side on the astral plane (or where ever that was suppose to be). Didn't CC just do that in Exiles less than a year ago? Another thing why was Karma and Storm in this story? They both did nothing. Storm blow out some windows. She'd should have been the one who snapped Psylocke out of it? Haven't they been shown as better friends than Psylocke and Dazzler? Maybe Fraction thought he finally had to have Dazzler do something so the fans would be happy but he was severally wrong because she blew off the popular and interesting character's face because that is what old friends do to brainwashed friends (just ask Wolverine when he was going to gut Psylocke even though he knew she was being mind controlled). I guess more fanboys are interested in seeing a psychic-ninja Angelina Jolie (because that is obviously whose face Land was tracing) than a funny, throughbred British girl with a wry wit and a magical connection to Otherworld. It makes me even sadder because you think after being forced into someone's else body you would want to be back in your own. If Fraction wasnt worried about adding non-sense like X-Club and the Mastermind sisters arguing (where was brunette one in this issue?) he could have had Psylocke at least think about staying in her own body. Another thing, who in the frell's body did they dig up and desiccate to trick Maddie? And does anyone care about X-Club because I do not. Here's hoping the Dark X-Men issues are better but I doubt they will be.
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Prev, I want to thank you for posting those pages. I hadn't planned on picking up the book, but after seeing those, I might just (or at least wait for the trade). You're right, that's pure Kelly Deadpool there.
AA, your post amuses me! I will now give my thoughts on this issue. In fact, it's time for a mini.
HIGHLIGHT ON:
Sisterhood-
The Fallacy ReportSpoiler
1. This storyline, or what little of it there was, made no sense. Last issue Maddie/ghost/red queen stole hair from Wolverine. What was the hair for?
- It supposedly led the women to Jean Grey... but it didn't! It led them to a fake body. So... what was the point again? And um, Maddie clone would know where Jean was buried. All the X-men are typically buried in one place... the mansion. Regardless, Jean's body isn't even existent anymore and hasn't been for years. Logic fallacy.
2. So many cameos, so little contributed. On the plus side, at least we didn't get a montage of, "we live happily in san fran!"
- I'd rather the main cast switch around than be pointless cameos galore. In this issue, Domino WAS in Japan, now she's IN New York. Travel fallacy. Northstar was brought in because the X-men needed speed while Cannonball was still around. He's then noticeably absent for most of several issues, then shows off his speed in one page. Usage fallacy.
3. The Creepy Factor. Wolverine randomly collects Jean's hair follicles, Cyclops has mental intercourse with Maddie and never decides to tell anyone he saw her... then has a mental breakdown about it when he barely cried over his dad, brother, or children in the last few years; Wolverine travels to Canada to collect Northstar instead of worrying about the body of someone he stood up for in the past, the constant bondage scenes with Red Queen, Mastermind, Empath, and Emma; and the large smiles. Wait... I didn't even mention Beast sneaking into Cyclops and Emma's room in the middle of the night to give his dramatic speech. Didn't Wolverine ALSO do that... but in the morning? Character development fallacy.
4. Psylocke was used as a pointless draw in this arc. If Fraction REALLY wanted her back and STREAMLINED like he claimed, this was the wrong way to go about it. Way to tease, Fraction. You re-introduced things she hasn't dealt with in years and then moved right back into the status quo. You ultimately made her confusing to any new reader that might pick this up. Wanted streamline? Just say she's back from Exiles since her team is defunct. Simplicity Fallacy.
5. I thought it was bad when Fraction had Emma using TP in diamond form. It got much worse every issue he wrote in this arc. Where to start? Well, Emma is an obvious. The girl became a full blown brawler in this arc with her abuse of Mastermind. I'll explain to you why this doesn't make sense. In diamond form, Emma has no mental defense. Mastermind would take advantage of that. If Emma wanted to use any physical attacks (note, she's not trained in brawl techniques like her predecessor, Jean, is), she'd have to weaken Mastermind mentally first. Secondly, Spiral did absolutely nothing but teleport the team around. Spiral... isn't she the sorceress that has regularly knocked the team around? Maybe you should... use her... correctly. Now to Psylocke. Her psychic knife CUT someone. She was literally using it as if it was a physical knife... and then lobotomized herself to relive the Lady Mandarin storyline from Exiles. Now to Dazzler, who I thought was Emma for a page or two; she can't generate beams like that. There wasn't enough sound around and she'd have better control over it than that. I mean, she was only a herald. Also, I think she negated a psychic knife attack... it's like the constant death storyline all over again. And then there's Chimera... I could go on and on. Power usage fallacy.
6. The Red queen's plan ultimately could have been pulled off much better if she did it alone. I don't understand the major point of whatever she was doing. I know her end goal, but she basically alerted the X-men to her ideas every inch of the way. So... "Plans? What plans?" fallacy.
7. "Hi, I'm Martinique and I'm Mastermind's daughter and Lady Mastermind's sister. I have amnesia... but maybe not anymore. I appear and disappear at random interv--" ... "Who are you and what do you do?" fallacy. Also applies to Storm, KARMA (funny caption, fraction. Funny), and the majority of the team not part of the sacred 4.
8. I don't know if anyone else noticed, but the Psylocke fight started with EMMA and ended with Dazzler. It'd be nice to see how that happened. "You know what? It happened off-panel!" fallacy.
9. Red queen phased through cyclops' attacks and couldn't be touched, but didn't she touch hair and other things in the other issues? "Are you realized or not?" fallacy.
Ultimately, if I look at this Uncanny X-men storyline as a giant arc of unintentional funny moments, it's not bad. The problem comes when you actually begin to look for anything resembling a story, character development, theme, or plot. It doesn't help that Land drew the art. This isn't a slight against him because of his infamous art practices; it's a slight against him because of how many art related problems are strewn throughout each issue. If Fraction was trying to show us how not to write several characters and how not to write certain storylines, then he succeeded. Other than that, well... .
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No worries, GG. I think the book is really worth the 4 dollars (giant sized special, the actual series hasn't begun yet). You get around 40 pages of story split between each character in the book minus Jean. Each story has a different art and writing style, and each character has their moment. Basically, it's a framing story + 5 smaller stories within it it + a few extras. Pretty good read, me thinks. In other news, I have also heard that Claremont's
X-men: Forever started off well.
Quote from: Previsionary on June 11, 2009, 03:22:28 PM
AA, your post amuses me! I will now give my thoughts on this issue. In fact, it's time for a mini.
I had to edit the heck out of that. I should not post when I just wake up.
OHMYGAWD PREV! Your thoughts amused me.
But what about Deadpool vs Bullse....err, Hawkeye? This was frickin hilarious. Prev, please enlighten the folks.
Adding to the Uncanny X-men 511 fallacy report: in this issue Scott pegs Mach 5 at about 300 mph. Um, that's not even Mach 1, the speed of sound (about 700 mph, depending on altitude & temperature). Mach 5 is literally 5 times faster; getting something like that wrong is just lazy writing.
Also, since Northstar can apparently go lightspeed, wouldn't it have been faster for him to go to the Mansion first rather than fly in the plane? I mean, crossing North America at the speed of light is basically teleporting. I guess if one thought the speed of sound is 300 mph one might also be grossly misinformed about how fast the speed of light is.
Quote from: thanoson on June 11, 2009, 07:15:34 PM
But what about Deadpool vs Bullse....err, Hawkeye? This was frickin hilarious. Prev, please enlighten the folks.
Enlighten the people to what? I don't find Way's "he's beating our meat!" DP all that amusing, so I don't think I'm the person for the job. ^^.
Aww... I thought this issue was great for laughs. The call to the radio station really makes Bullseye seem as crazy as Deadpool. Plus, I like the interaction between the two because Bullseye actually relates to Wade in that one scene of the flashbacks. Isn't that meat reference something Deadpool would say? Well, in his own mind at least. What is it about the writing you don't like?
Bullseye vs Deadpool! Looks and sounds :cool:.
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(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7103/dpvsbullseye.jpg)How was Bullseye able to defeat Deadpool?
Okay...just no. I cry myself to sleep every night because of Way's handling of the title.
The art is brilliant. Almost worth the cover price alone...almost.
I feel like Deadpool is now written by a substance abuser for other substance abusers. There is no other possible answer for its positive reviews. I now contemplate substance use, if not alcohol consumption, prior to reading an issue so I don't waste three dollars every month. But then, that would cost me more money...
*explodes*
Quote from: Outcast on June 13, 2009, 04:28:18 AM
Bullseye vs Deadpool! Looks and sounds :cool:.
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(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7103/dpvsbullseye.jpg)How was Bullseye able to defeat Deadpool?
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Deadpool tells Bulleseye that he has no sense of humor. While Deadpool is beating the snot out of Bullseye, Bullseye says "I just don't get it." Which Deadpool responds with, "What, how am I kicking your butt?" after dodging a arrow that Bullseye throws at him. However, the arrow ricohets off a mirror or something, striking Deapool in the head, in which Bullseye responds with, "No, that you think I have no sense of humor."
I thought that was awesome. I'm no expert like Murs or Prev is at Wade, but I like this stuff that's coming out. It entertains me and that's what I'm going for.
I don't feel like going into why I dislike current Deadpool as I have done so before (one spur of the moment rant a week, dangit!). I've reviewed like 4 issues, I think, + I have a general dislike for Way's writing as can be seen in my Wolverine and Wolverine Origins "sumviews". Besides that, I believe Bullseye and Deadpool have been written better (together) in the past without so much of the forced nature. Anyway, my main problem with current DP is the multiple voices. It's not just the use of the voices, but it's the fact that Way introduced it to make up for the lost of DP's cast (which was something JQ felt was wrong with spider-man...). If I were to suggest or recommend a semi-good Deadpool series, it'd be Deadpool: Suicide Kings which makes use of Punisher, Daredevil, Outlaw, Spidey, and Tombstone. Of course, that series seems to mimic Way's style, so it's not that great of a recommendation, but I did enjoy it much more than the actual DP series, which I find to have very little substance.
I'm sorry but Deadpool is hilariously funny. I picked it up when I got my other comics and all I have to say is the current written should be tapped for dialogue for the Deadpool movie. I got a real "Shawn of the Dead" type of banner from the issue and needless to say I'm a Deadpool (and Bulleyes) fan again. I really wish Deadpool and cable was still around though. They were the best comic duo ever.
Is there interaction forced? See I just know Deadpool and while he's not 4th wall breaking Wade I know, I can see what the sort of comedic writing Way is going with (btw I have never read any of Way's work because I stay away from all thing Wolverine accept the Origins tradeback which I enjoyed).
When did Colin Farrell become "comic" Bullseye and why is he dressed like Hawkeye? :huh:
Quote from: Courtnall6 on June 13, 2009, 02:30:41 PM
When did Colin Farrell become "comic" Bullseye and why is he dressed like Hawkeye? :huh:
After the DD movie and during Dark Reign.
Quote from: thanoson on June 13, 2009, 05:36:18 AM
Quote from: Outcast on June 13, 2009, 04:28:18 AM
Bullseye vs Deadpool! Looks and sounds :cool:.
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(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7103/dpvsbullseye.jpg)How was Bullseye able to defeat Deadpool?
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Deadpool tells Bulleseye that he has no sense of humor. While Deadpool is beating the snot out of Bullseye, Bullseye says "I just don't get it." Which Deadpool responds with, "What, how am I kicking your butt?" after dodging a arrow that Bullseye throws at him. However, the arrow ricohets off a mirror or something, striking Deapool in the head, in which Bullseye responds with, "No, that you think I have no sense of humor."
I thought that was awesome. I'm no expert like Murs or Prev is at Wade, but I like this stuff that's coming out. It entertains me and that's what I'm going for.
First off, I'm no expert. An idiot maybe.........an expert idiot...heh.
I actually liked that fight scene as well at the end of issue 10. My frustration is more with issue 11. Way probably got high and thought meat jacket was the greatest thing ever, then he wanted to push it as much as possible. So basically the entire issue revolved around something that wasn't funny in my eyes.
I also have problems with the multiple voices, mostly because it's potential isn't being maximized. So far issues six and nine are worth double their cover price. The rest of the series....I want my money back. Odd how those two issues featured characters of Deadpool's past supporting casts.
I'm glad Wade's getting another solo on-going. It may co-star a zombie's head, but at least it's not written by Daniel Way and that's a victory all on it's own. ^_^
Quote from: Courtnall6 on June 13, 2009, 02:30:41 PM
When did Colin Farrell become "comic" Bullseye and why is he dressed like Hawkeye? :huh:
Deadpool tried attacking Bullseye at a Halloween party.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on June 13, 2009, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: Courtnall6 on June 13, 2009, 02:30:41 PM
When did Colin Farrell become "comic" Bullseye and why is he dressed like Hawkeye? :huh:
After the DD movie and during Dark Reign.
Ah yes...always interesting to see comic books adopt Hollywoods failings.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on June 13, 2009, 06:02:36 AM
I'm sorry but Deadpool is hilariously funny. I picked it up when I got my other comics and all I have to say is the current written should be tapped for dialogue for the Deadpool movie. I got a real "Shawn of the Dead" type of banner from the issue and needless to say I'm a Deadpool (and Bulleyes) fan again. I really wish Deadpool and cable was still around though. They were the best comic duo ever.
Is there interaction forced? See I just know Deadpool and while he's not 4th wall breaking Wade I know, I can see what the sort of comedic writing Way is going with (btw I have never read any of Way's work because I stay away from all thing Wolverine accept the Origins tradeback which I enjoyed).
Way's humor isn't something I can enjoy. To me it just feels like a step down from most of the stuff that came before. I will say he seems to be getting a better handle, but it's just not for me. Also, this DP vs. Bullseye story is forced for one major reason alone. DP "just" got out of a crossover where an entire team was sent to kill him, and they certainly outrank Bullseye in the threat department. So, why exactly would Norman go, "Hrm, my T-bolts were gravely outsmarted, so why don't I send DP's old frienemy after him instead! He's got no powers and has no real chance of accomplishing the feat, but it'll be GRAND!"
Anyway, with all the DP stories going around lately, I've found that DP is portrayed much better in other series outside of his own such as Marvel Zombies, Weapon X: First Class, Suicide Kings, and X-force/Cable; and the major reason for that happens to revolve around the fact that DP actually has someone to interact off again. That's when he's at his best, when he has a "straight" man or two + a myriad of other personalities to annoy.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on June 13, 2009, 02:30:41 PM
When did Colin Farrell become "comic" Bullseye and why is he dressed like Hawkeye? :huh:
C6, you wouldn't like it. :P. When Norman beat the skrull queen and took over as the head of SHIELD/HAMMER, he took some of his old Tbolts team and said, "Now that I'm in charge, you all will be revered as Avengers! We'll show the people we're not evil... while being completely evil! Also, you will wear Avenger costumes that I just happen to have spares of!"
So in short, I've never been a major fan of Daniel Way (and I've read several books by him), but my bias against him doesn't make me count him out immediately, and we now have three Avengers teams: 2 good, 1 evil.
ETA:
Heck, I didn't even mention that ever since the series premiered, it has been greatly tied into Dark Reign and every arc has been about the same thing over and over. Norman sending someone to kill DP and "hilarity" ensues. I'd like a bit more variety in my light plot books. If I want continuous "I'm going to kill you" plots, I'd just read Red Hulk... ok, I wouldn't, but still.
Who knew Deadpool could spark such seriousness. :lol:
ENOUGH!
Dark X-men/Utopia stuffage from IGN. Take a peak (http://comics.ign.com/articles/994/994530p1.html). Could Emma and Cyclops finally be on their way to real relationship drama? Pfft, probably not.
Quote from: Previsionary on June 13, 2009, 07:41:38 PM
ENOUGH!
Dark X-men/Utopia stuffage from IGN. Take a peak (http://comics.ign.com/articles/994/994530p1.html). Could Emma and Cyclops finally be on their way to real relationship drama? Pfft, probably not.
Bah you want Dark X-Men/Utopia stuff? I give you preview pics:
CBR's new Cup of Joe feature (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21573), go down the page, 6 pics total. I've identified all but 2 or 3 characters in the last group shot.
IGN's preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/988/988835p4.html), 4 pics no words.
Pod is very happy to see his beloved New X-Men :D Unfortunately Pod has little interest in Fraction's X-Men :thumbdown:
Prev: Ah! I see. I haven't read a Deadpool comic since Cable and Deadpool ended so I am lapsed in my recent history.
Is Suicide Kings good? Maybe I should pick that up to get my fix.
Also he's been showing up in X-Force too? I have a hard time reading that comic because it feels like I'm reading extremely gory bishonen manga and I don't read Cable because I feel like I'm reading an issue of Heavy Metal.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on June 14, 2009, 01:44:45 AM
Also he's been showing up in X-Force too? I have a hard time reading that comic because it feels like I'm reading extremely gory bishonen manga and I don't read Cable because I feel like I'm reading an issue of Heavy Metal.
The Deadpool in X-Force right now is a future version that's hundreds of years old and more insane than ever before.
Also I can totally see calling Choi's art bishonen, but not Clayton Crain's. Either way it's gory though.
So in current Marvel continuity there are 3 Deadpool's running around? Regular, Zombie and Future?
Quote from: MJB on June 14, 2009, 07:11:30 AM
So in current Marvel continuity there are 3 Deadpool's running around? Regular, Zombie and Future?
Kinda. Zombie Deadpool will star with regular Deadpool in a series (http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=12208) soon, but zombie DP is from a different dimension and just ended up in 616 Marvel in Marvel Zombies 3, iirc. As for X-force, that's supposedly "current" DP, just very far into the future (I.E., time hop!). So technically, there's only 2 DP's running around, though if you count the Exiles versions...
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Suicide Kings is mediocre so far (it's still going), but I found it more amusing than Way's Pool. Not so much for the plot, which involves someone setting DP up as a terrorists and Punisher going after him, but for some of the odd moments in the book and the return and mention of some of DP's old cast. That, and I find it amusing to see DP interact with other heroes he rarely gets a chance to hang around with such as DD and Spidey*.
*little known fact, I really, really, really wanted to write a DP/Spidey scene in Ultimate Trio. Of course, it didn't work out. So... I'm hoping Spidey has a big part in Suicide Kings #4 of 5.
So, I'm thinking a team consisting of Deadpool, Bullseye, Taskmaster and Ant Man would be all kinds of fun.
Quote from: thanoson on June 14, 2009, 04:24:07 PM
So, I'm thinking a team consisting of Deadpool, Bullseye, Taskmaster and Ant Man would be all kinds of fun.
From the sounds of things, we could manage a team of Deadpool, Deadpool, Zombie Deadpool and Deadpool. And Wolverine, cuz, you know, overused joke.
Quote from: The Enigma on June 14, 2009, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: thanoson on June 14, 2009, 04:24:07 PM
So, I'm thinking a team consisting of Deadpool, Bullseye, Taskmaster and Ant Man would be all kinds of fun.
From the sounds of things, we could manage a team of Deadpool, Deadpool, Zombie Deadpool and Deadpool. And Wolverine, cuz, you know, overused joke.
No, no, no. It's Deadpool, Deadpool, Zombie Deadpool, Deadpool, Wolverine and Wolverine. 'Cause seeing Deadpool(s) meeting Logan and "Jr." would be all kinds of funny.
What if Deadpool already has met Daken and Logan at the same time? *See Wolverine Origins... or don't. Best if you don't.*
I think Deadpool, Bob, Reed Richards, and Sue Storm would be the ultimate team-up.
I once made a joke to a friend about Deadpool having the Cosmic Cube as a sidekick, and the Cosmic Cube was voiced by David Hyde Pierce. They went on wacky adventures all through the universe. It was great.
Hey, where's that guy that used to review and summarize? That guy is slackin'!
X-men Legacy #225 (3):
No need for a spoiler tag or even that much info. This issue focuses on Xavier putting an end to the Acolytes. This story also features the return of Karima Sharpander, who decided to stay with Exodus after Xavier and Magneto abandoned her. Outside of Xavier single-handedly attempting to come into and take down the Acolytes, a revisit of Amelia and Xavier's past, and Xavier talking Exodus into changing his purpose in life, not much else happens. However, the X-men should have some new visitors in San Fran and the end of the issue alludes to how Norman got Xavier and Exodus to join/form the Dark X-men.
Overall, I'd rate this issue another 3. Legacy is typically a mediocre read where not much happens, but everyone mostly stays in character. In that sense, I can understand why the book is sometimes labeled as "boring." On the other hand, nothing wildly gross or out of character happens and it's not a book that relies on huge plot twists, a huge cast list, or events that hinge on the very minimalist's idea of a plot. We'll see how this book fares during the Dark X-men/Avengers crossover, though the next issue seems to be about Rogue, Gambit, and Danger going by the teaser/cover. Fun.
Quote from: Podmark on June 15, 2009, 05:00:51 PM
I once made a joke to a friend about Deadpool having the Cosmic Cube as a sidekick, and the Cosmic Cube was voiced by David Hyde Pierce. They went on wacky adventures all through the universe. It was great.
Bat-Mite: "Batman just doesn't appreciate me. I'll show him; I'll find another super-hero and help him to be greater than Batman."
Zoom in on Deadpool: "Wha..."
I don't get why Carey is using Danger so much. Also why does this title feel so incredibly boring when he first started on the title it was the most exciting and best x-title.
I think carey is just stretching his out until the 3rd part of the messiah trilogy (and the next x revamp)- its like he's stuck in limbo until then
on another note
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/061609brubabkercap600.html (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/061609brubabkercap600.html) - an interesting interview
AA, I think the problem with Legacy and why so many people classify it as the "brainy, boring" book is simple. Carey spends issue after issue focusing on character development and the plot usually feels secondary or subtle. In comparison, books like Uncanny and X-force aim for high, exciting action and development typically seems secondary if the issue has any type of development at all.
I should note that character development isn't about how "in-character" a fictional person is, but how much progression or introspection the character is allowed. I can't deny that Xavier needed a lot of fixing thanks to what writers did for him, but I don't know if it was a good idea to spend 20+ issues on fixing him (and Rogue) up. Twas necessary, so hopefully future stories and such bring the excitement factor back. Also of note, I think the extreme focus on Xavier and his "cast" of characters also brings the book down a bit because A ) Xavier isn't a well liked character to begin with and B ) any character that is focused on too much begins to affect your likingment [sic] of them and/or the storyline they're in. (See: "Wolverine" Effect)
Yay more Karima! I missed her so.
I pick up Legacy in bulk whenever my shop has sales. It's a decent read all at once but it doesn't excite me enough for monthly reading.
I didn't realize Exodus would be part of the Dark X-Men.
Pod's quickie reviews:
Young Avengers #2: Mark Brooks is one of my fav artists but I found his work really off on a number of pages. Story is slow, kinda interesting but I find it really odd too. Hard to explain just not what I expected and I really don't know where this will all go. I'm giving it a 2/5 but it's not awful or anything.
Cable (Messiah War #6): God I can't wait for this to end. Too long, too repetitive, and poor art with the exception of the prologue. Ariel Olivetti's art drives me nuts - so static and bulky (Elixir is hilarious looking). There are few surprising/interesting developments in this one though. 2/5
Mighty Avengers #26: This story is so contrived that it's so bad it's good. I found it so unintentionally funny. Art is kinda better than last month in that it didn't bother me nearly as much. The developments with Jocasta and Hank are too fast but interesting. Still waiting for this book to really pick up. 3/5 but it's probably really a 2, I just enjoyed it for all the wrong reasons :D
Captain Britain #14... was an awesome read. It was quite the ride from beginning to end. Any book that is able to tie in an annual, which, on a whole, has become fairly useless in the comic genre, is grand in my book. Doom is a smart man, and the Mi13 really know how to use their heads when they need it. However, I can't help but feel bad for Lady Jac. Tis a 4 out of 5. Trade it, people. It ends in one more issue... sadly. :(
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=28809 - Uncanny Preview. The return of Betsy and Warren? No way! I won't even comment on Psylocke and her power upgrade.
Quote from: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/060918-WordBalloon-Loeb1.html#comments"Hulk #14-#18 features the match-up of Hulk Vs Wolverine in a story called Code Red. The Red Hulk puts together a team consisting of Thundra, Deadpool, Elektra, The Crimson Dynamo, Punisher and a couple of other surprises to come. They encounter X-Force and starts off with someone learning the Red Hulk's deepest secret." -- Loeb
I made a great decision in deciding NOT to pick this up when I first heard about it. Also, DP is teetering on overexposure at the point. They should cut it down a bit. Anyway, unless Hulk is grabbing people from time again, I don't see the bolded characters joining him for ANY reason, especially not Punisher.
Also, any writer that criticizes another should have some good work to back it up currently... not anything named "Hulk" or "Ultimatum." ^^
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I'll miss Captain Britian. #14 had quite the twist in it. Should've been obvious, but it wasn't...
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Dark Wolverine = passable... and by "passable," I mean I'll be able to
pass it on the rack as should you. :P
Pre, which writer(s) was Loeb criticizing? I checked out the article and didn't see anything (just skimmed it) and am not really interested in listening to a podcast interview with Jeph Loeb.
Why is Mighty Avengers so bad? And is it me or was DR Young Avengers really dull this week.
I didn't understand the point of this Mighty Avengers's arc other than developing some characters and moving a plot device around. Why did Reed mistrust Hank... then forgive Hank? What was that built on? It just felt hollow to me. Also, some characters feel very useless to me at the moment. Not to mention that I can do without the reverse of SW and Vision/Cassie and Vision. Hank and Jocasta just feels... very... odd. I'm gonna hafta "no" that development.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on June 19, 2009, 07:47:04 PM
Pre, which writer(s) was Loeb criticizing? I checked out the article and didn't see anything (just skimmed it) and am not really interested in listening to a podcast interview with Jeph Loeb.
Loeb did a lot of hot air talking so it's hard to home in on anything specific. He's an obtuse guy. But anyway, he spoke about Bendis and Brubaker on DD and why he felt that direction was wrong... so to speak. Look, I did you all a favor and made clips of the interview for your enjoyment. I left out the Hulk 600/Hulk 13/Ultimatum stuff because it made me ill.
Warning, may contain some mature language.
[Links Down!]
From those small snippets, you will learn that Loeb is a bit out of it and really HATES Nightwing and Barry. Also, for some reason, he compares his Hulk to Michael Bay's transformers. I'm not sure how to really take that. Anyway, these will be up for a few days before disappearing. Listen while you can.
Huh.
I find his "capes should fight capes" rant incredibly interesting. Especially since my favorite Loeb book is "The Long Halloween."
I've gotta say, Legacy is by far my favorite X-book right now. I love how Xavier is actually being used as "the most powerful mind in the world".
Thanks for the clips. It is weird he talked about how characters should act when he is notorious for OOC.
Wow, I'm really insulted by his Nightwing sucks comment.
Also what is his problem with secret identities getting screen time. Isn't he the one who wrote Superman for All Seasons? Also Geoff obviously knows what he's doing - everything he touches turns to gold where as Loeb just tells ridiculous stories which are always saved by the artist.
http://comics.ign.com/articles/996/996452p1.html -- Fraction on Dark Reign/Utopia/Ironman
- Sometimes, I think Fraction hasn't actually looked into the characters he wants to write. Claiming the X-men are too masculine when he has like 6 females on the team he doesn't use, claiming Emma was never really a villain, and his confusion about Psylocke and Dazzler is a bit off-putting. I really, really hope Dark X-men is worth it.
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21683 - Mike Carey on Legacy's new direction with Rogue. Perhaps we'll see more "New" X-men?
Quote from: CareyThe younger mutants that Rogue interacts with include a who's who of characters from New X-Men and Young X-Men. ?I think it's fair to say that Bling is a very important character and Trance, who is important in issues #226-227 of the series, continues to play a key role,? Carey revealed. ?We'll also be seeing a lot of characters like Indra, Loa, and Hellion.?
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21692 - Aaron, Pak, and Hickman on "The List." The return of Fantomex??
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21673 - Fraction, Bendis, and Remender on "The List."
In other news, did anyone read USM: Requiem part 1?
Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-men #1 (3):
Since Uncanny and this crossover both came out at the same time, I only grabbed one book this week. I more or less dropped Uncanny (again), so this is Fraction?s last chance to get my money back especially with the 4-dollar price tag this crossover boasts. Anyway, this is the big storyline that threatens to change the X-men dynamic once again. How will it pan out? Find out now!
Spoiler
Simon Trask and his followers plan to march in San Fran while promoting Proposition X. However, that won?t fly to well with the X-men and their supporters also staged on the same streets. The two groups have a face down, and, of course, violence breaks out! Unimaginatively, the X-men get the brunt of the blame and Cyclops is ordered to get his ?people? under control. Things go to hell in a hand basket once Norman shows up. Ok, maybe not, but there is a lot of violence following his arrival. Noticing that the X-men can?t keep their city under control, Norman realizes that he and his Avengers will have to swoop in and save the day. And by ?save the day,? I mean ?beat up the X-men for our customary showdown!? As things come to a close, Emma learns Norman?s new plan of action for keeping the mutants in line, Cyclops is taken into custody as is Beast (who is already in jail), and Xavier, in a wheel chair, is shown as the mutants' new leader as he distances himself from Cyclops? or does he?
Overall, this issue was nothing but one giant showdown after another. Fraction did use more of the cast than he ever has, but no one got any sufficient amount of screen time outside of Beast, Cyclops, and Emma. Fraction also managed to hurt the ending to an X-force storyline by using characters that were last seen to be captured and about to die AND for some reason, Carol is still shown to be alive at this point even though she died. Amusingly, this issue is what I?d describe as mostly fighting. That label was applied to issue 510 as well, but the crossover pulls it off much better. I guess that?s another negative mark against Land. Oh well. Anyway, this book didn?t really psyche me and I didn?t really care for the ?shocking? Xavier twist. Tis a 3, for me.
Why were there 9 inkers on this issue?
Also how the hell are they going to fix thing once this disaster is over?
They'll just move in another "new" direction. Speaking of, Beast is one of the most ruined X-characters in recent time. This week hasn't been good to him in the least bit. Uncanny, Astonishing, and the DA/UXM crossover effectively knocked him off his high horse. Speaking of crossovers, don't you love when crossovers result in almost nothing changing? Hi, Messiah War!
Quote from: Previsionary on June 24, 2009, 11:34:13 PMSpeaking of crossovers, don't you love when crossovers result in almost nothing changing? Hi, Messiah War!
lol
Wolverine: First Class #16 (3):
I know I haven?t been reviewing this book much, but it?s really not a book I have much to say about. The original writer, Van Lente, was replaced with PAD some time ago and the issues so far have been good. Over the last few stories, Wolverine teamed up with Daredevil and Elektra to protect a woman who held a most coveted item, and the next issue featured Kitty wanting to meet Thor to show off to her bratty frienemies.
Spoiler
You Dazzler fans, all 2 of you, this is the book for you! It?s all about her. When someone leaves a threatening message on Dazzler?s mirror in her dressing room, Ali seeks out Professor Xavier?s help only to wind up under the watchful eye of Wolverine and teen sidekick, Kitty. Ali isn?t so pleased with Wolverine?s involvement, but Kitty (and Siryn) are jumping off the walls.
On the bus, Kitty tells Siryn to be her backup because she obviously didn?t want Teresa to come on the mission in the first place. While traveling, Ali learns that one of her singers has come down with strep throat and Siryn offers to replace her. This only proves to make Kitty more jealous as Siryn has a beautiful voice.
Jealousy issues aside, the big event finally comes up, and Dazzler and Siryn are putting on a show. Kitty notices a strange man in the crowd and instructs Siryn to up her vocals causing Dazzler?s powers to spike. As the crowd is blinded, Kitty rushes into action and takes care of business with Wolverine offering his assistance. Of course, things weren?t what they seemed and Kitty finds herself being embarrassed. After the show, Kitty then thinks she knows exactly who is threatening Dazzler? her manager! True to form, Kitty was wrong again and the real culprit turns out to be the manager?s ex-boyfriend, who wanted to get back at Dazzler for stealing his GF?s time. He tosses a pie at her (Dazz) and we find out the threatening message was really Pie and not Die. The book ends with the X-men back at home and Kitty learning from her mistakes. Obviously, Logan gets the last words of ?Disco sucks.?
This issue was a fun, quick read similar to
X-men First Class. I?m a little iffy on the plot and the ?twist,? but other than that, it was nice to see Kitty, Siryn, Wolverine, and Dazzler all interacting together. The art was very exaggerated. I guess you could compare it to a Saturday morning cartoon. Other than that, nothing really stood out. Tis a 3. Yay for Dazzler getting characterized again. Fraction, take note.
Wolverine: Weapon X #3 (4):Last issue, Wolverine found himself overpowered by the adamantium men/Strikeforce X and took refuge in the woods. His pursuers gave chase and slowly began to realize that they had just fallen into Logan?s trap.
Spoiler
In the jungle, the Strikeforce X members are trying to track down their prey, Wolverine. One would think that the 12 of them could catch and defeat Wolverine with no problems. Well, friends, one would be wrong. Logan had been employing guerrilla tactics the whole 5 days and managed to take down one member of the team and was able to kidnap another.
Meanwhile in San Fran, the reporter from the last two issues manages to track down more information about Rexxon and the Black Guard from the vice president of the company. She learns that every member of the Strikeforce X was a dishonorably discharged soldier that signed up for the experiments. As the VP tries to leave, the HR department of the Blackguard capture and attempt to kill him? luckily, the VP has luck on his side as his capturers find themselves full of bullets courtesy of Maverick.
Back to Wolverine, Logan attempts to reach out to his hostage by appealing to his human side. It doesn?t work, and the kidnapped soldier makes a run for it. No worries, Logan anticipated this and took measures to track down his prey no matter where he goes.
Shuffling on back to San Fran, the reporter finds herself attacked by someone from the Black Guard who managed to break into her home. Unfortunately for the would-be murderer, the girl manages to realize he?s in the house before any misfortune befalls her. Even worse, the killer then finds himself in a losing struggle with Cristopher Nord (Maverick) who tells the reporter he?s there to help her. The book ends with congress debating the Black Guard issue and Wolverine tracking down his hostage and taking out his eye.
Out of all the Wolverine books on the market at the moment, this is my current fave. Jason really has his voice down and the story is enjoyable thus far. It helps that this book is accessible to a new reader and doesn?t try to ham itself into continuity like some other books do. Also, I must say it?s pretty cool to see Maverick back in action as I haven?t seen him in awhile. This issue is a 4 for me.
Astonishing X-men #30 (3.5):
Last issue, the X-men tracked down Forge to see why he was creating mutants? or whatever.
Spoiler
This issue opens where the last one left off. The X-men are face to face with their old friend and the tension immediately begins to boil. Beast tells Forge that he isn?t really creating mutants, but some type of monstrosity, and Forge will hear none of it. He rants at the team for standing around doing nothing while he did the real work. He?s tired of being drafted into other people?s wars and this time, he?s fighting his own war and there?s nothing the X-men can do to stop him. He took the precaution of activating an inhibitor before the team even arrived.
As things continue to boil, Armour phone goes off as she?s been twittering the whole time the older X-men have been trying to appeal to Forge. On the phone is Agent Brand and she wants to talk to Forge. During this conversation, Agent Brand threatens Forge, and seconds later, Wolverine finds the inhibitor that?s blocking their powers and breaks it with his claws. Having lost all control over the situation, Forge is convinced to open the ghost box to fight ?his? war; however, the X-men don?t plan on sticking around as Agent Brand is primed to fire her weapon if anything so much as steps a foot outside the box. Mere seconds after the X-men hop in their jet and take off, a beam of zettawatt energy rips Forge?s stronghold apart, travels through the ghostbox, and continued to rip that world apart. The book ends with Beast giving his long explanation of what happened, trying to reminisce about the past, and Storm getting over the loss of Forge.
This issue may have been the more exciting issue of this long, long storyline, but the X-men essentially stood around for several pages as Forge spouted off crazy. Essentially, Beast and Agent Brand beat the threat of Forge and whatever could have been in the ghost box using a powerful laser. Too bad Beast and Brand didn?t even consider what might have been on the other side of that box and allowed a world and a teammate to die. I still don?t particularly like Bianchi?s work, but it seemed to be slightly better this issue than the last several few. Also, Forge got off a joke that I really enjoyed ("Emma Frost. I didn't recognize you with your legs together."), but we all know what happens to characters that tick off Cyclops. They disappear! Anyway, this is a 3.5. Midly amusing, but I can do without storylines that make my dislike of catBeast strengthen. Let?s hope the next arc of Astonishing comes out much more frequently without the awkward art.
I thought the forge thing wasn't that bad. And Ghostboxes? Destroy Plz. I'm expecting Forge to live.
Captain America #600What would be issue #51 of the current Captain America series is given the aaniversary numbering treatment for what would have been issue #600 if the series that started with Captain America #100 (It having been Tales of Suspense for #s 1 to 99), and is over 60 pages. The issue shipped with two different covers - released in equal amounts, so there is no gimmick cover - one by Alex Ross and one by Steve Epting (fortunately my comics shop gave me the Alex Ross cover; I like Steve Epting, but the Alex Ross cover design is better).
The issue starts off with a really cool two page origin recap (narrated by Steve Rogers), with the top panels being blue and focusing on the star on his shirt and shield and the bottom panels being alternating red and white stripes. The rest of the issue is mostly short viginettes (most a few pages long) featuring different characters - both friends and allies of Cap (including his old roommates from the era when he lived in an apartment building) and villains. Ed Brubaker wrote most of the issue, with different artists handling the different stories (Howard Chaykin handled the art chores on a sequence featuring the 1950's Cap who is running around - thankfully not in costume in this story). The're aslo a pretty good story written by Mark Waid that is pretty good, and the book closes with a two page comentary by Cap co-creator Joe Simon, a re-print of a story from the Golden Age: a battle with the Red Skull from Captain America Comics #16 from 1942, and a gallery featuring the covers from every issue of Captain America (including the issues of Tales of Suspense).
There are also some tie-ins to the death of Captain America, and some of the sequences featuring Sharon Carter set up the upcoming Captain America Reborn mini-series.
One bit of bad news:
Spoiler
Rikki Barnes, the female Bucky from the Heroes Reborn Captain America series drawn by everyone's least favorite artist, is on the regular Marvel Earth. She meets Patriot in the issue.
I give it a 4/5 - the cover gallery could have been more pages to allow for bigger pictures of the covers, and two of the short viginettes were fairly bad.
Reborn and Uncanny 513 came out. I don't plan on reviewing today (and I didn't buy Uncanny); so, does anyone wanna replace me for the week?
Quote from: Previsionary on July 02, 2009, 03:19:44 AM
Reborn and Uncanny 513 came out. I don't plan on reviewing today (and I didn't buy Uncanny); so, does anyone wanna replace me for the week?
I actually thought Uncanny was ok this week. I don't know if it is the art but I didnt hate it.
reborn could be interesting but the reason steve is comming back totally cheapens his death, it's just bad writing
I wouldn't classify it as bad writing "right" away, though it does remind me of a book and I've seen people compare it to Lost (which I can understand) and Batman/Darkseid (which I can kinda see, but don't agree with). Ed Brubaker went into why he chose the direction he did, but I don't remember where I saw it. The basic reasoning came down to the fact that Steve is basically reliving major parts of his past as a literal interpretation of his mantra: "man out of time." However, the road taken to reach this point has some flaws in it, but I'll give Bru a chance to tidy everything up before I fully judge it.
After reading Fraction recent interview at CBR, did anyone else totally miss that the blonde dude with the hat was Adam-X in UXM 513? I'm a little underwhelmed with this appearance. He doesn't seem like the guy who would scream "let's get "f'ing" extreme". And "bros". He's not a frat guy, he's an roayl interspecies mutant who is probably not Katherine Summers' son.
Also shouldn't he be in space? When did he get back to Earth?
From what I've heard Fraction gets everyone's personalities wrong (Hellion leading an angry mutant mob- I can maybe buy that, but "He?s not really one for strategy" and wearing an Omega gang shirt argh! And what was Sunspot doing there? Does he at least check with Wells? And Meld, seriously?)
Fraction said somewhere way back that he wants to get as many mutants into the story as possible.
Yes, Fraction gets the majority of X-men personalities incorrect and hearing that he sees Pixie as Wolvie's sidekick and somehow thinks she's a mix of Jubilee and Kitty = frightening. Basically, one should be scared if Fraction has an interest in any of their favorite characters outside of Ironfist and Ironman.
Quote from: Podmark on July 07, 2009, 08:45:06 PM
From what I've heard Fraction gets everyone's personalities wrong (Hellion leading an angry mutant mob- I can maybe buy that, but "He?s not really one for strategy" and wearing an Omega gang shirt argh!)
Fraction said somewhere way back that he wants to get as many mutants into the story as possible.
Yeah, Avalanche and Sunspot also seemed out of character. In fact, everyone is. Even though I thought the issue was a stark improvement over the last 6 plus issues, I'm starting to realize he doesn't do his homework. In fact his little blurb said Cloak and Dagger were druggies...when did that happen? They were forced to use drugs (with a lot of other runaways) but that does not make them abusers...urgh...I wish he would leave Adam-X alone. Since Vulcan appeared I have been waiting for him to either A) replace Lilandra as emperor of the Shiar (he is DKen's son) or B) finally be revealed as Katherine Summers' defile baby.
EDIT: I can't type defile!
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 07, 2009, 09:04:52 PM
Yeah, Avalanche and Sunspot also seemed out of character.
Yeah I edited Sunspot into my post later. And I added Meld too. Meld might only be from a 4-issue mini but if I remember right he totally wasn't the type to be in this group.
i just wanted to say although his basic plots are goods faction suffers from "please forgive how dumb i act this issue " sysdrome. which alarms blaring and the masion under attack collouis runs in unarmored and is sliced open by spirl? wtf? wasnt that covered in basic danger room 1, uhhh armor up when were attacked. geez
From what I gathered from reviews, that whole mesh-up of characters was a little off. I'm not sure why Sunspot and Hellion would be hanging out with Avalanche in the first place. Avalanche should be miffed with the X-men in general for what a few of them did to his bar just to teach him a lesson he didn't need (at the time). But, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Kitty found her way out of that bullet just to stand around in the background of this "riot" storyline Fraction refused to build up to. In fact, if she doesn't appear, I will be SHOCKED! :P
I feel so late on this but this morning I read that whole Liefeld backlash to Rictor and Shatterstar. Hasn't it been hinted their relationship was closer than friends for like 15 years now? Is their non-platonic relationship really a shock to anyone? Does anyone even think Shatterstar being revealed as gay is that big of a deal? Because I was honestly underwhelmed. It was sort of like the Alpha Flight/X-Men crossover where Rogue touched Northstar and found out his "secret" and like 10 years later he came out.
It's not like Iceman (who a lot of people think is gay) kissed Northstar.
I think the only part of this whole comic drama is that Liefeld seems to think this was such a terrible thing to happen to one of his characters. If anything he should still be getting flack for the way he disrespects anatomy (http://i.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/livestock~captain.jpg) and reality (http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03a/2009_06_June_releases/youngbloodcov10_temp.jpg).
Ok, I counted 18 pouches in that pic alone. Plus, is that guy carrying a sawnoff laser shotgun? How could I have missed this pic?
Apparently Liefeld wasn't paying attention because Shatterstar and Rictor would have been a couple years ago had a writer not left the book before revealing it. David just finally tied up a loose thread.
just shows you how out of touch i am with x-men i didn't know one character in the group meeting you lot are talking about. and from when did people think iceman was gay
I gave up caring about Shatterstar when he went from being someone from mojoworld to some sick kid who had a spirit or whatever of someone from there to like the 8th summers brother.
Honestly I never thought he would connect to anyone, man or woman, in a meaningful way and I kind of liked that about the character. Made him more alien in a way. Also I am curious about the Rictor thing though since I dont remember getting that hint from him but it really has been a while since I saw him anyway.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 08, 2009, 02:09:48 PMI think the only part of this whole comic drama is that Liefeld seems to think this was such a terrible thing to happen to one of his characters. If anything he should still be getting flack for the way he disrespects anatomy (http://i.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/livestock~captain.jpg) and reality (http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03a/2009_06_June_releases/youngbloodcov10_temp.jpg).
Feh, That cap pic is one of his worst. Seriously... you CAN'T draw a profile and a shot of somebody's pecs!
Liefield's obsession with pouches wouldn't be so bad if he knew how to put them where they don't get in the character's way....
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on July 08, 2009, 07:11:08 PM
just shows you how out of touch i am with x-men i didn't know one character in the group meeting you lot are talking about. and from when did people think iceman was gay
Iceman is Gay (http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS292US308&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=iceman+is+gay)
Even Family Guy thinks Iceman is gay (http://afghanant.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/iceman-on-family-guy/).
Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on July 08, 2009, 07:37:10 PM
I gave up caring about Shatterstar when he went from being someone from mojoworld to some sick kid who had a spirit or whatever of someone from there to like the 8th summers brother.
Honestly I never thought he would connect to anyone, man or woman, in a meaningful way and I kind of liked that about the character. Made him more alien in a way. Also I am curious about the Rictor thing though since I dont remember getting that hint from him but it really has been a while since I saw him anyway.
Well around the same time Shatterstar started having any sort of feeling besides
kill, murder, battle Rictor was helping him adjust to living on Earth like watching TV (which was weird for me considering where he's from) and normal stuff. Sometime during that they both started sharing a bed together and being very protective of each other. That is from like Mid-90s (right before Onslaught probably).
As for Shatterstar I think what Loeb did to him has been reversed (sort of). Last time I checked he was from Mojoworld again (sort of).
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 08, 2009, 08:22:33 PM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on July 08, 2009, 07:11:08 PM
just shows you how out of touch i am with x-men i didn't know one character in the group meeting you lot are talking about. and from when did people think iceman was gay
Iceman is Gay (http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS292US308&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=iceman+is+gay)
Even Family Guy thinks Iceman is gay (http://afghanant.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/iceman-on-family-guy/).
i knew about the family guy joke but just guessed it was them poking fun, didn't think there was a whole thing behind it
Not that much...
I'm tempted to file it with Xena/Gabrielle.
Anyone read anything good this week?
Spider-man annual (3):
This was ok. I'm still wary of mainstream spidey even attempting to rely on the clone saga for storylines. Also, the Reilly's seemed like a very interesting pack. The Parker luck continues, though I now question his mental state a bit more than I usually would.
X-men Legacy 226 (4):
Loved it. This issue seemed to be full of action the majority of the Xavier issues lacked. Also, it was nice seeing a bunch of side mutants that haven't been used in awhile, and Rogue with control over her powers = good. I hope her brisk scuffle with Ares results in the return of her super strength long term though.
Incredible Hulk 600 preview: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3014&disp=table
Fred Van Lente = Tolerable. Jeph Loeb = UGH, NO! Conclusion: Tole-ugh!
Captain America #601I'm going to keep this short:
1. Artwork by Gene Colan. That's reason enough alone to recommend buying the issue.
2. The story is a flashback told by Bucky America to other heroes (including Nick Fury) about a mission he and Steve went on during WW II that involved vampires (Baron Blood is involved, but not directly; he doesn't actually take part in the story). And you know vampires + Gene Colan = a very good thing. (He was THE Tomb of Dracula artist!)
3. The mission has historical signifigance. Gene drew the cover to the last issue of Captain America Comics that was published in the 1940's, and storyline-wise
Spoiler
At the end of the story Bucky A reveals to Nick Fury that it was their last mission before they got involved with a certain experimental plane.....
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HIGHLY recommend this issue.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090716-JoeKellyDeadpool.html
Life is good. :)
I love the cover!
Pod, something else you might like, I recall reading that the YA will appear in Mighty pretty soon. It must be sad having your favorite characters stuck in cameo roles... that's so X-men circa the 60s.
No reviews this week from me; however, I read New Mutants #3! I found it to be enjoyable, though I feel like there was a considerable gap in its release schedule. I also read the final issue of Joe Kelley's "American Son". I found it to be passable, although I wasn't all that enthused about its outcome.
Quote from: Previsionary on July 17, 2009, 06:13:14 AM
Pod, something else you might like, I recall reading that the YA will appear in Mighty pretty soon. It must be sad having your favorite characters stuck in cameo roles... that's so X-men circa the 60s.
No reviews this week from me; however, I read New Mutants #3! I found it to be enjoyable, though I feel like there was a considerable gap in its release schedule. I also read the final issue of Joe Kelley's "American Son". I found it to be passable, although I wasn't all that enthused about its outcome.
New Mutants 3 was either 5 or 6 weeks from #2. The 5 week month has releases kinda screwed up this month.
I liked American Son. Probably one of my favorite BND story arcs.
The YA seem to be permanent guest/cameos in Mighty. One day they will have an ongoing again though. Someone just needs to kick Heinberg.
MMk, it's been awhile since I've reviewed anything in my old style. I'm sure no one has missed them, but whatever! :P
X-force #17:
This issue should be refreshing since we?re finally out of that crossover nonsense that resulted in neither book having a new course or outlook on their mission. It should be? but will it? Let us not forget that several issues ago, the X-men were interrupted mid-mission by the slowly, but surely, mentally degrading, but oh-so-fly Cyclops. How will this story end? Let?s find out. Turn the page.
Spoiler
Opening up where the team left off several issues ago, X-23 finds herself right in front of the Leper Queen, who is raving to herself about wanting to die. Laura fulfills Leper?s wish and Tabitha finds herself safe as X-23 falls to the floor muttering about Julian. Barely a second later, men in HAMMER gear break into the room. Tabitha will be taken to a medical facility, X-23 will become a prisoner, and Leper Queen will be coming face-to-face with heaven?s gate? or hell?s.
Meanwhile, Rahne, who I forgot was in this book, is in a state of bliss with her current love interest. That of course doesn?t last long as Frost Giants stand over them preparing to attack. But let?s not focus on this. It?s such a small part of the book that I shouldn?t even have wasted a paragraph on it.
Moving on to Surge and Julian in New York, the duo manages to escape, but Surge is unable to control her powers. This is all overlaid on top of a scene of Bastion manipulating a congressman giving a speech about the sentinel program. Of course, the scene with Julian and Surge gets bloody as Wolverine and Archangel arrive on the scene and begin to hack people apart. Angel gets a little overwhelmed by his darker personality resulting in Wolverine stabbing him to get his attention and bring Warren back as the dominant personality. By this point, Surge is already on her way towards the meeting. Angel flies off, swoops her up, and takes her as high as he can possibly go before her powers really begin to overload her. As Foley runs to Angel and Nori?s rescue, we get a quick scene change to Domino, and the books ends with a massive explosion of lightning.
This issue was ok, and it was nice to see Rahne again. I think she needs to play a much bigger part than she has in this series, otherwise I don?t see the point of taking her off X-factor. At least there, she had a more active role and storyline. The whole team is split up in this issue, though everyone, minus Warpath, got some amount of adequate screen time. Oh, I can now confidently say that this storyline takes place before Utopia, which makes me wonder why Wolvie and Domino were present in the Psylocke story of Uncanny, but have all been missing for Utopia minus, I guess, Warpath (I think I saw him filling out a background in the one-shot). So coming to a conclusion, this was a pretty good read, but nothing that set my literary heart on fire. I give it a 3 out of 5.
Dark Wolverine #76:
Much to my astonishment, last issue of this book was pretty good, but before I make any official retractions, let?s see how this issue holds up. Previously, Daken was making waves as he slowly began to work through his teammates, starting with Bullseye. Not only that, Daken reveals that he might just be a little bi-curious. Though, of interest, I do find it odd that Daken now has uber-refined tastes after spending the majority of his creation not caring about it. I suspect this was something Majorie Liu added. Anyway, onto the sumview.
I wouldn?t feel human if I let this pass. I just wouldn?t and I hope you all understand, but Ares looks ridiculous without his helmet. I thought the Mohawk thing he used to rock was bad? but this is worse. Leave the helmet on. Now onto the sumview?for real real, not for play play.
Spoiler
Skipping forward in time, the Dark Avengers are in a meeting after their showdown with the Fantastic Four. The majority of the team is upset that they didn?t fight and/or kill their opponents, but as Norman points out, you DON?T kill the Fan4. After the meeting, Daken and Ms. Marvel speak. He warns her that she shouldn?t be attracted to Norman (and I didn?t know she was) and that Bullseye is trying to set him up. Of course, that?s not exactly what happened, but letting Moonstone and Norman think Hawkeye is out to get him works favorably for his plan to take out his current leader. Let the games of deceit begin!
On the other side of town, the Fan 4 are having pretty much the same meeting and reactions as the Avengers minus the snide and evil remarks. Cue Daken?s entrance with his lovely charm, which results in Thing trying to knock his block off. After some more verbal insultage, Thing is about ready to kill Daken and it takes some considerable effort by Johnny and the rest of the fan4 to stop Thing from going mad and leaving Daken a smear on the floor. Daken expected this and isn?t shocked when the Fan4 tell him that Wolverine gave them a warning about him.
After things cool down, Daken quickly alerts them as to his true reasons for coming to visit the team: to get out of Norman?s trap before it all falls down. Also, he wants to find his own identity, and he certainly can?t do that while being a sarcastic flunky. While all of this is going down, Bullseye is watching from afar, and as luck would have it, Norman was watching him as well. What a game we have here. And the game only gets messier when Daken realizes he was followed and sets up even MORE people. Is it possible that Daken might be sneakier than his pops? Yes.
That?s two issues in a row that I found appealing. I?m in shock, but I know this has very little to do with Daniel Way. You see, I don?t think he?s writing the majority of these issues. I think the writing process falls mostly on Majorie, and I?m fine with that. She adds things to this character that makes him seem more than just another Wolverine derivative, which he ultimately is. Regardless of the fact that I question the sudden changes to his personality and his raising degree of smarts, he intrigues me now, and it only took Way getting a Co-Writer. Because of this, gangers, I give this issue a 3.5. I enjoyed it more than X-force, but it still has me questioning a few things.
Guardians of the Galaxy #16:
Sadly, I don?t really remember what happened last issue except the GotG learned that Lilandra was dead, they were attacked, and tracked through their lovely base. Other than that, this book is still stuck in WoK, so if you weren?t involved with this book or the event to begin with, you probably won?t care what happened last time. Consider it? skipped.
Spoiler
Avengers Mansion, 3009, Starhawk and some of the GotG members appear in the mansion and continue to fight. As the battle rages on, wouldn?t you know it, the future version of the GotG (featuring Vance) arrives on the scene to put a halt to their supposed targets! What a predicament. And you know it wouldn?t be a comic if one incarnation of the team didn?t fight the other. That?s a given.
The fighting doesn?t last long as the future Guardians + Starhawk finally get around to explaining what?s going on in their time and why Starhawk brought the ?present? guardians there. Whatever happens in their time wrecks havoc with the future. Who?s the cause of this damage, you ask? None other than King Blackbolt. Before the ?present? team can make use of this information, the badoons (from the future) attack and destroy the time machine. Our team is trapped!
The last session of the book revolves around the future and present GotG trying to break through the Badoon control and send Adam Warlock a message to save the future. And of course, that goes about as expected and leaves the team in a very deadly position!
I think I enjoyed this issue, though it really has no major ties to WoK. Not necessarily a bad thing, but with the banner on the cover, I expected a little more connectivity. Anyway, with Starhawk?s purpose out of the way, and the team once again stuck in a life/death situation, I rate this book a mighty 3.
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Murs linked me to this, so I'll share it with you all. Exiles is canceled... again. (http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/07/23/jeff-parker-atlas-saved-exiles-cancelled/)
Wasn't Wolverine Jr. introduced as being a little bi-curious? I thought in his initial appearances he was leading on a guy or something like that.
Quote from: Talavar on July 23, 2009, 09:55:57 PM
Wasn't Wolverine Jr. introduced as being a little bi-curious? I thought in his initial appearances he was leading on a guy or something like that.
I know next to nothing whatsoever about the character, as the only Marvel books I am reading (since Avengers/Invaders is over) are Captain America and Captain America Reborn, but according to a discussion about him at another board, that seems to be the case.
Another completely stupid thing someone mentioned is that one of his powers is scent glands that he can use to seduce people....and it supposedly can work on straight men. I find that totally laughable.
Apparently an upcoming comic is going to have Bruce Banner (not the Hulk) and Skaar (the Hulk's son) taking on Wolverine and Daken. The picture I've seen has Banner in street clothes (and looking a bit too buff; when did he stop being a beanpole?) standing next to Skaar who is being attacked by Wolverine and Banner is aiming a gun at Daken (whose hand is all that's shown in the picture). Does Banner not turn into the Hulk now, or something?
(I used to be a diehard Marvel Zombie (preferring Marvel titles over DC), but Civil War and its aftermath (ie, all the Dark Reign garbage and the Osborn crap - I really hope he gets killed off again soon) and the One ore Day/Brand New Day thing with Spider-Man has mostly killed my love for Marvel; I want Joe Q, Millar and Bendis gone!)
The only thing I'm waiting to find out outside of the titles I am reading is Rulk's true identity; if it turns out to be
Spoiler
Glen Talbot, like some people suspect
, I may need a barf bucket handy unless he is killed off (not depowered, but deceased!) asap.
Wasn't the identity of Rulky supposed to be revealed in Hulk 600 or one of the following issues? I kinda stopped caring with all the fake-outs.
Talavar, I suppose that's true, but back then, Daken was just using the guy to hurt someone else. Over the past few weeks, the writers have been laying it on thick with the bisexual thing. In fact, I think he slept with a guy a few weeks back, though it wasn't on screen, and in DW 75 and 76, he made passes at both Bullseye and Thing (to intimidate him)... and he also made a pass at Venom. Obviously Daken is very loose and not very picky.
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Anyway, a preview: Dark X-men #2 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3107&disp=table)- We get to learn how Cloak and Dagger (those silly drug addicts/Fraction :P) got into the mix.
Quote from: GhostMachine on July 24, 2009, 05:33:06 AM
Another completely stupid thing someone mentioned is that one of his powers is scent glands that he can use to seduce people....and it supposedly can work on straight men. I find that totally laughable.
I hate to be "that" guy but why is that totally laughable in a world where people can turn into diamond or shoot laser beams from their eyes?
Spider-Woman, Stacy X, Enchantress, Murmur and Persuasion all have similar abilities. Do you find it laughable when they use their abilities to seduce/control people? Is it the fact that he is a man who has a pheromone ability (which by the way Purple Man has as well) or is it because Daken uses this ability to seduce fictional
straight men?
If anything you should think he was morally corrupt for using this ability in this manner but you should think the same about every character who controls another for whatever reason (Professor X, Emma Frost, Dr Doom, etc, etc, etc).
"Rulk" :lol:
When did Scooby-Doo start writing for Marvel? Is that his official name or another oh so clever fan made name like "Clor"?
Quote from: Courtnall6 on July 24, 2009, 02:56:01 PM
"Rulk" :lol:
When did Scooby-Doo start writing for Marvel? Is that his official name or another oh so clever fan made name like "Clor"?
Oh Court, you are what the French call "le tre funny."
it's a fan name... but given the things I've heard about the run, I wouldn't be surprised if Scooby Doo does show up.
Jinkies.
Quote from: The Hitman on July 24, 2009, 04:36:55 PM
Jinkies.
Velma... Velma, is that you? How you been, girly? As for Rulk, I'm pretty sure that name was actually used in a comic at one point in time... and Clor has as well. Maybe I imagined it, but both characters aren't important enough for me to caaaaare. ^_^
Urgh if you thought Rulk was bad...look forward to seeing She-Rulk - http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=cons/cci2009/cupojoe/HULKTHE016_COV.jpg
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 24, 2009, 10:54:15 PM
Urgh if you thought Rulk was bad...look forward to seeing She-Rulk - http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=cons/cci2009/cupojoe/HULKTHE016_COV.jpg
ok between this and megan fox being favorite to play she-hulk, i just think what the hell
it is the rapture I tell you! The end of days!
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 24, 2009, 10:54:15 PM
Urgh if you thought Rulk was bad...look forward to seeing She-Rulk - http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=cons/cci2009/cupojoe/HULKTHE016_COV.jpg
Yup...that's pretty bad. Not sure why the artist bothered to draw any clothes on her at all....I guess there's the comics code...but that hasn't been relevent in years.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 24, 2009, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on July 24, 2009, 05:33:06 AM
Another completely stupid thing someone mentioned is that one of his powers is scent glands that he can use to seduce people....and it supposedly can work on straight men. I find that totally laughable.
I hate to be "that" guy but why is that totally laughable in a world where people can turn into diamond or shoot laser beams from their eyes?
Spider-Woman, Stacy X, Enchantress, Murmur and Persuasion all have similar abilities. Do you find it laughable when they use their abilities to seduce/control people? Is it the fact that he is a man who has a pheromone ability (which by the way Purple Man has as well) or is it because Daken uses this ability to seduce fictional straight men?
If anything you should think he was morally corrupt for using this ability in this manner but you should think the same about every character who controls another for whatever reason (Professor X, Emma Frost, Dr Doom, etc, etc, etc).
I was talking about sexual seduction, not mind control. It doesn't make sense - even as a super power - that someone would be able to seduce someone of the same gender who is not bisexual or homosexual.
Quote from: GhostMachine on July 25, 2009, 02:16:29 AM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 24, 2009, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on July 24, 2009, 05:33:06 AM
Another completely stupid thing someone mentioned is that one of his powers is scent glands that he can use to seduce people....and it supposedly can work on straight men. I find that totally laughable.
I hate to be "that" guy but why is that totally laughable in a world where people can turn into diamond or shoot laser beams from their eyes?
Spider-Woman, Stacy X, Enchantress, Murmur and Persuasion all have similar abilities. Do you find it laughable when they use their abilities to seduce/control people? Is it the fact that he is a man who has a pheromone ability (which by the way Purple Man has as well) or is it because Daken uses this ability to seduce fictional straight men?
If anything you should think he was morally corrupt for using this ability in this manner but you should think the same about every character who controls another for whatever reason (Professor X, Emma Frost, Dr Doom, etc, etc, etc).
I was talking about sexual seduction, not mind control. It doesn't make sense - even as a super power - that someone would be able to seduce someone of the same gender who is not bisexual or homosexual.
His power isn't "sexual seducation" it is pheromone control. In fact he can use his pheromones to
manipulate the emotional state and sensory perceptions of other beings. Isn't manipulating someone's emotional state and sensory perception mind control? Is it because he is emitting a scent that forces people to compile with his will instead of using telepathy that you draw some difference?
Regardless, the mechanics of the power isn't the issue here. The fact that you accept the power of flight and energy emission but believe that heterosexuals can't be seduced into homosexual sex because of their sexual identity is laughable. Sexual identity is a lot more flexible than you realize even without superpowers being involved.
And it's basically the same power as the Purple Man's (though less powerful), because his power is mind control based on pheromones as well.
In other news big X-Force story Necrosha was announced. New Mutants and X-Men: Legacy are tying into the story.
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22196
Essentially Selene is resurrecting Genosha for some dark purpose. I'm looking forward to it.
Quote from: Podmark on July 25, 2009, 05:49:34 AM
In other news big X-Force story Necrosha was announced. New Mutants and X-Men: Legacy are tying into the story.
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22196
Essentially Selene is resurrecting Genosha for some dark purpose. I'm looking forward to it.
Nercosha is a ghetto baby name.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 25, 2009, 12:19:07 PM
Quote from: Podmark on July 25, 2009, 05:49:34 AM
In other news big X-Force story Necrosha was announced. New Mutants and X-Men: Legacy are tying into the story.
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22196
Essentially Selene is resurrecting Genosha for some dark purpose. I'm looking forward to it.
Nercosha is a ghetto baby name.
AA, you're too much sometimes. In other news, I'm tired of X-overs. I thought [the] Avengers were Marvel's hot team at the moment... why do the X-men keep crossing over?
Also of note... Hulk 600 was a giant waste of time and I hope no one here spent 5 bucks on it. If you did, I'm sorry for your wallets.
Hmm.. I like the idea of Necrosha. It gives Selene a real job.
Final review for me this week (month...)
CB&MI13 #15:The final issue of the series. I put it off as long as I could, but I had to read it and review it. I mean, I only talked about it the majority of the time I got, right? So, last issue, Pete and the team revealed they pulled a fast one on Dracula, Doom gave Dracula a small gift that may or may not help him, and Brian and Faiza were ready to layeth the smack downeth. How will this book conclude? Let?s *sniff* find out, shall we?
Spoiler
Where to start? Let?s pick up with Dracula and the newly introduced ?Glorianna.? Dracula isn?t amused by Doom?s tricks and Baron Blood seems to be freaked out by her very presence. Unfortunately for Dracula, her presence also makes CB break into his base and start a fight. Whatever will happen now?! It doesn?t take long for Dracula and his fleet of space vamps to find out that they?ve been had, as member after member burst into flame. Dracula, and the few remaining vamps left, abandon their plan and retreat to their fortress. Pete anticipated this and unleashes more forces upon Dracula once he arrives there. Not to mention that an Angry Captain Britain is still on his tail. You can consider these extra forces to be unimportant cameos with the likes of Death?s Head, Tangerine, Digitek, and Dark Angel.
Meanwhile, Blade and Union Jack are sneaking into Dracula?s fortress to sabotage his coffins. Baron hides in the shadows and eventually reveals himself. He claims that he only did what he did to get his mother back. Union wants to take Baron back with him, but Blade kills him with no remorse and tells Spitfire via comm. Device. Union Jack is disgusted as Blade and Spitfire?s actions and walks back through the portal he and Blade arrived in.
As Dracula?s plan falls apart, he considers just giving up and dying in battle. No, he?s too strong willed and important for that. He flees and heads for his spacecraft only to run into Dane and Faiza. The sword battle is quick between Dane and Dracula as the vamp comes out on top. This angers Faiza and she, with Excalibur in her hands, charges at Dracula hoping she can end things herself. And she does so with the simplest of ease. Oh, she also manages to heal Dane and we find out his heart is no longer made of stone. True love can flourish!
The war is over. The MI13 pulled through. However, one character had to make a very british compromise (Faiza?s dad), but he?ll pull through. He?ll prosper for his daughter. In fact, the whole team will, and the happiest thought of all is? Meggan is back, and the team is complete.
As a finale issue, this felt very rushed. I know Paul said this is how he wanted it to end, but the sword fighting at the end is a perfect example of how quick certain elements of this issue were. The quality held up, sure, but it was just a bit disappointing in that aspect. We also didn?t get any shots of the team all together. The book ended with the team in pairs of two in different locations. I?m not even going to mention the cameos because, like I said in the review, they were basically pointless. If anything, it was just telling where those characters have been, allowing them to have a chance to be used again elsewhere. I didn?t miss Death?s Head though. So as I come to a conclusion, like this book has, I?m going to rate it a
3. I hope the team is used again whether it be a cameo or a new book, but I?m not going to count on it. If anything, I?m happy Brian finally has his wife back and they?ve both matured into more useful forms.
Quote from: GhostMachine on July 25, 2009, 02:16:29 AM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 24, 2009, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on July 24, 2009, 05:33:06 AM
Another completely stupid thing someone mentioned is that one of his powers is scent glands that he can use to seduce people....and it supposedly can work on straight men. I find that totally laughable.
I hate to be "that" guy but why is that totally laughable in a world where people can turn into diamond or shoot laser beams from their eyes?
Spider-Woman, Stacy X, Enchantress, Murmur and Persuasion all have similar abilities. Do you find it laughable when they use their abilities to seduce/control people? Is it the fact that he is a man who has a pheromone ability (which by the way Purple Man has as well) or is it because Daken uses this ability to seduce fictional straight men?
If anything you should think he was morally corrupt for using this ability in this manner but you should think the same about every character who controls another for whatever reason (Professor X, Emma Frost, Dr Doom, etc, etc, etc).
I was talking about sexual seduction, not mind control. It doesn't make sense - even as a super power - that someone would be able to seduce someone of the same gender who is not bisexual or homosexual.
I'm with you as mind control it works as seduction power nope. Sorry AA but everyone's sexual identity is not as fluid as you think. Just seems another excuse to wallow in perversion anyway. God I hate modern comics way more than Benton does.
Quote from: steamteck on July 28, 2009, 03:15:38 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on July 25, 2009, 02:16:29 AM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 24, 2009, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on July 24, 2009, 05:33:06 AM
Another completely stupid thing someone mentioned is that one of his powers is scent glands that he can use to seduce people....and it supposedly can work on straight men. I find that totally laughable.
I hate to be "that" guy but why is that totally laughable in a world where people can turn into diamond or shoot laser beams from their eyes?
Spider-Woman, Stacy X, Enchantress, Murmur and Persuasion all have similar abilities. Do you find it laughable when they use their abilities to seduce/control people? Is it the fact that he is a man who has a pheromone ability (which by the way Purple Man has as well) or is it because Daken uses this ability to seduce fictional straight men?
If anything you should think he was morally corrupt for using this ability in this manner but you should think the same about every character who controls another for whatever reason (Professor X, Emma Frost, Dr Doom, etc, etc, etc).
I was talking about sexual seduction, not mind control. It doesn't make sense - even as a super power - that someone would be able to seduce someone of the same gender who is not bisexual or homosexual.
I'm with you as mind control it works as seduction power nope. Sorry AA but everyone's sexual identity is not as fluid as you think. Just seems another excuse to wallow in perversion anyway. God I hate modern comics way more than Benton does.
AA didn't claim "everyone's" sexual identity was in a state of fluidity. He made a very general statement. Also, it's not a seduction power, it's pheromones. He controls pheromones. Manipulating pheromones = manipulating behavior. Regardless, we don't know if he can make all men sleep with him and we don't know the exact sexual identities of the men he HAS slept with. Those are assumptions.
Also, let's keep in mind that Daken has hit on a lot of men now that haven't jumped into bed with him, so it's not that serious. His "PHEROMONE" control has been shown to do more than make men and women weak in the knees for him.
Pheromone control huh? I wonder how people would react to his farts?
I am so glad Prev got what I was saying.
While I respect your beliefs, I'd be lying if I didn't think GhostMachine's and steamteck's reaction were sort of homophobic. The "straight" men Daken has been shown to control are background characters so why there is this whole "no way" reaction seems to be fear. Are you emotionally invested in these straight men? Do you even care about them enough to even know their names? If not, you should really ask yourself why you are rejecting this whole notion other than some scared heterosexual reaction to a big bad homosexual.
Second, why is it a big deal if Daken can control men (whether straight, gay, bi-curious whatever). These men obviously don't have a choice in the matter anymore than a defile victim would. Would you declare the defile victim had some choice in the matter?
I just see this double standard for straight men which sort of annoys me. Starfox practically forces women every time but that's ok because he's straight and it is women he is manipulating? Moondragon rapes Thor but somehow she is still a considered hero? Is heterosexual defile ok and believable but not homosexual?
What if Starfox decided one day, "you know what I want an orgy with Cap, Tony, and Thor"? It would be in the realm of his power according to the Marvel Handbooks so why couldn't he? Would it be laughable? Would you boycott Marvel because of the defile or because your favorite heterosexual heroes are now gay? FYI, they wouldn't be anymore gay than a person would want to be raped.
Mentally or physically controlling someone for sex (defile) has nothing to do with sexuality and neither does Daken's power.
Quote from: murs47 on July 28, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
Pheromone control huh? I wonder how people would react to his farts?
They smell roses.
AA, my comments weren't meant to sound homophobic. Its just that I don't think it makes sense that pheromones could be used to seduce someone of the same sex who isn't bisexual or homosexual - no matter the gender of the one doing the seducing, because the mind would likely fight off the effects once they realize they're being manipulated by someone they'd never be inclined to be attracted to naturally. I could believe in mind control or Starfox's power being strong enough to pull it off, but I can't buy pheromones being able to do that. Sorry.
It doesn't matter if he uses the powers on background characters or not, because I believe psychology would overcome biology; with mind control or Starfox's pleasure center manipulation ability the brain is being directly manipulated, so I could buy those working, but pheromones work mainly on the senses, and someone would be able to fight that off much easier than they would the other powers.
Quote from: murs47 on July 28, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
Pheromone control huh? I wonder how people would react to his farts?
Go ask Gambit.
Quote from: Podmark on July 28, 2009, 06:38:59 PM
Quote from: murs47 on July 28, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
Pheromone control huh? I wonder how people would react to his farts?
Go ask Gambit.
Daken farted on Gambit! I have to buy this issue!
Quote from: GhostMachine on July 28, 2009, 06:31:33 PM
AA, my comments weren't meant to sound homophobic. Its just that I don't think it makes sense that pheromones could be used to seduce someone of the same sex who isn't bisexual or homosexual - no matter the gender of the one doing the seducing, because the mind would likely fight off the effects once they realize they're being manipulated by someone they'd never be inclined to be attracted to. Mind control, yes. Starfox's power, yes. But I can't buy pheromones being able to do that. Sorry.
The way I look at it is that Daken is affecting their "willpower." That's the whole point of pheromones in general, no? To make someone more susceptible to something while also affecting their moods and thinking. I don't think it necessarily means ANYONE would just go along with Daken if they had strong emotions against doing it, but if their will wasn't strong enough to resist his power, they'd probably lose out. Just look at the other examples of Daken's pheromone control, he made Thing more "susceptible" into giving into his rage, he messed with people's awareness, and he's made people feel calm around him when they probably shouldn't have. He's basically the king of manipulation. Why would there be a line drawn at "sex" when other characters have done so as well + more (Stacy X used it to further her sexual career all the time before she joined the X-men and probably after).
But still, I think you'd have a strong[er] point if he was manipulating someone ESTABLISHED into bedding him. If he was making Johnny (Torch) salivate over him or Bullseye, I'd question it a whole lot more than Mr. No-name, no major purpose. Why, you ask, because those characters have had their characters defined enough to have a strong inclination for women. Background character #298 who I know nothing about, not so much. Also, did anyone here have a problem when Longshot's power affected a male cop when his powers/DNA supposedly only work on members of the opposite sex? Wouldn't that be MUCH harder to believe than Daken releasing pheremones to attempt to get what he wants?
Anyway, I think this will be a much more interesting convo when Daniel Way (bleh) and Majorie (yay) get around to going more indepth with Daken and his sexual orientation and give us more examples of his pheromone control.
QuoteAt the 2009 San Diego Comic-Con International, Marjorie Liu commented that "[Daken] will do anyone and anything [to achieve his goals and he's] past that kind of identification. He's beyond it." Daniel Way added that Daken's sexuality will be addressed later on, but it's more about his personality. "He's no more homosexual than he is heterosexual. It's about control."
So, let's see how that goes before trying to "define" what he is and isn't doing to people of his gender. Of course, this means having faith in the writers actually addressing it... decisions, decisions.
I think the control aspect Way mention echoed my whole point about rap(e) not being about sexuality. Sure I think Daken is disgusting for raping people with his powers (I question why he would have sex with that guy if he could just get what he needed and leave) but I do believe that if the comic is telling me he produces a pheromones that controls other people's emotions and perspective then I honestly could believe that if he tried hard enough he could control Johnny Storm into whatever he wanted (or at least Iceman :P). Do I believe such a thing would work on Wolverine or even Cyclops? No, because they are both use trained to control their mind. I've never read Johnny Storm getting psychic training from Reed. I think distinguishing between mental and physical control aren't so clear cut. However, lets say his powers are akin to getting really drunk and just going along with something (also a form of rap(e)) but I agree with you.
I think we can all agree this conversation is silly because these are fictional characters and in five years Daken will probably be dead.
Quotein five years Daken will probably be dead
ugh...five years too long.
We call them "toots" in my household...you know...kid friendly. :) It's probably appropriate to be speaking of them in the Marvel thread. :)
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 28, 2009, 04:32:29 PM
I am so glad Prev got what I was saying.
While I respect your beliefs, I'd be lying if I didn't think GhostMachine's and steamteck's reaction were sort of homophobic. The "straight" men Daken has been shown to control are background characters so why there is this whole "no way" reaction seems to be fear. Are you emotionally invested in these straight men? Do you even care about them enough to even know their names? If not, you should really ask yourself why you are rejecting this whole notion other than some scared heterosexual reaction to a big bad homosexual.
Second, why is it a big deal if Daken can control men (whether straight, gay, bi-curious whatever). These men obviously don't have a choice in the matter anymore than a defile victim would. Would you declare the defile victim had some choice in the matter?
I just see this double standard for straight men which sort of annoys me. Starfox practically forces women every time but that's ok because he's straight and it is women he is manipulating? Moondragon rapes Thor but somehow she is still a considered hero? Is heterosexual defile ok and believable but not homosexual?
Mentally or physically controlling someone for sex (defile) has nothing to do with sexuality and neither does Daken's power.
And I'd be lying if i didn't think you thinking its homophobic revealed more about you than me but i figure we really don't need to go there.
I just think it doesn't make sense. real mind control . go for it. Pheromones, nope doesn't cut the mustard for me. Then again I never believed the Mandrills power should be as strong and overwhelming as it is anyway and he affects the opposite sex. However he's a monster so that ruins my suspense of disbelief in a very similar way. I've got no double standard here . I'm pretty consistent.
Actually I don't think Moondragon is a hero . She a pretty hardcore villain to me from her actions. She got far far less than she deserved after that episode. I really haven't seen Starfox in action but if its like you describe, yep villainous behavior.
This thread was pointed out to me by someone else, although I had been safely avoiding it 'till then. I wasn't going to say anything, my views about the viability/appropriateness of subjects like this in comics being fairly well known, but I feel like AA's response deserves a comment. I'm disgusted with this whole development, and not just because Daken is gay (I had no idea until I read this thread, and honestly, by this point he's just another name on the list). To use AA's term, "defile" is never a source of entertainment, especially in four color world. It is one of the most abominable acts one human being can perpetrate upon another, and I find the fact that I even need to say it has no place in a world of superheroics infinitely sad. Do I find it more horrible that he is basically "defiling" straight men? Yes, because, to me, that type of violation is more frightening for me personally than a woman taking advantage of me. Either would be terrible, but the former has an extra dimension of horror.
I understand that the question of what exactly he is doing, if it actually consists of the type of control that has been posited, has yet to be completely answered, but the implication is enough to remind me that THESE are the kinds of things I dropped modern books to avoid. I'm sorry for barging in here and bothering y'all with my opinions on books that I'm not going to read, but I thought that a rather important facet of this was being overlooked.
No... no.
*sigh* He's not RAPING people. Everyone under Daken's pheromone control still has a sense of will. They don't HAVE to do anything they don't want to. That's an important fact several people in this thread (especially the one's that don't have a working knowledge of Daken) keep missing.
If Daken gets you under his pheromone control, the only thing he's doing is manipulating your emotions and your senses. He's getting you under his spell to the point where you're more likely to do something (I.E, more likely to find him attractive or more likely to give into your urges), it doesn't mean the person "charmed" is going to rip off their clothes and do the nasty on the floor.
To illustrate this point, I point to Cyber who was also charmed by Daken at one point during a fight. It worked on Cyber a little bit, but once he realized what was going on, he broke Daken's hold. If Cyber wanted to remain under that spell and indulge in his feelings of happiness (which Daken charmed him with), that would have been under his own accord.
So to summarize, Daken may be manipulating emotions, feelings, and what-have-you, but he's not forcing these people into bed. It bothers me that people are overlooking this fact when I've pointed out that not everyone is jumping his bones. Regardless, since today is Wednesday and new books came out for some parts of the world, I'd rather people stop dragging this discussion out and talk about something new.
In other news, Pod/AA, Patriot makes a cameo in MUA2... they're coming up in the world!
Quote from: steamteck on July 29, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
And I'd be lying if i didn't think you thinking its homophobic revealed more about you than me but i figure we really don't need to go there.
Turning something around on me doesn't a point make. And if you have something you would like to say about me I'm all ears.
Quote from: steamteck on July 29, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
I just think it doesn't make sense. real mind control . go for it. Pheromones, nope doesn't cut the mustard for me. Then again I never believed the Mandrills power should be as strong and overwhelming as it is anyway and he affects the opposite sex. However he's a monster so that ruins my suspense of disbelief in a very similar way. I've got no double standard here . I'm pretty consistent.
But unaided flight and flexible organic steel (oxymoron btw) does spread it right? If you are championing this "pheremones don't work that way" idea, well neither does genetics but you probably read X-Men. Species with different genotypes can't breed but Shi'ars can mate and reproduce offspring with humans. Do you find everything that forces the reader to suspend disbelief as not cutting the mustard? Do you only read and enjoy comics that take place in reality? Again this is a comic character we are talking about real world mechanics do no apply.
Quote from: steamteck on July 29, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
Actually I don't think Moondragon is a hero . She a pretty hardcore villain to me from her actions. She got far far less than she deserved after that episode. I really haven't seen Starfox in action but if its like you describe, yep villainous behavior.
As you should with any person who controls an individual for self-gain.
Prev, really? Where did you hear this Patriot news.
It was in the IGN trailer I posted in the MUA2 thread. He was punching someone, iirc.
I do think it's cool that Patriot is in MUA2, but that's not new footage, I've seen that shot in videos on Gametrailers months ago, during E3 I think.
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Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 24, 2009, 10:54:15 PM
Urgh if you thought Rulk was bad...look forward to seeing She-Rulk - http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=cons/cci2009/cupojoe/HULKTHE016_COV.jpg
Yup...that's pretty bad. Not sure why the artist bothered to draw any clothes on her at all....I guess there's the comics code...but that hasn't been relevent in years.
Ugh... Is that supposed to be attractive or sexy? Who's the artist? I can't remember the name I'm thinking of, but it looks like the kind of thing he'd draw. Or at least I hope so... we don't need more than one terrible Marvel artist who can't actually draw.
Bulging he-man biceps NEVER look good on a woman. (Maybe her power is grossing out people to death. Or maybe it's the artist's power.)
I can understand torn leather, but I can't understand torn leather looking like THAT. If you think about it, it's actually obscuring more of her figure than it reveals.
Is that supposed to be a sai in her right hand, or a trident? A pitchfork would have been more believable with that red skin. Somebody's got serious size issues. And why, oh why, would any Hulk-derivative need to carry a gun?
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 29, 2009, 07:08:09 PM
Quote from: steamteck on July 29, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
And I'd be lying if i didn't think you thinking its homophobic revealed more about you than me but i figure we really don't need to go there.
Turning something around on me doesn't a point make. And if you have something you would like to say about me I'm all ears.
I feel you're way too quick to jump to such conclusions and see things where they don't exist. Very common and easy to dismiss arguments as "homophobic" or "racist" etc and miss the point entirely by obsesseings on a connection that doesn't really exist because it touches on a sensitive subject. I think the pheromone power would would fail to seduce truly lesbian women also. I won't believe a female power to seduce gay men with pheromones either. I just don't find it plausible. Because my suspension of disbelief runs different than your own is no reason to see to see issues really irrelevant to the point.
Personally, I think the whole discussion of sexual acts in a comic book and arguments about homophobia/homophilia are out of place in a "PG-13" forum. I would also say that the personal attacks that are starting to happen as a result of this "discussion" are contrary to the spirit of the forum rules if not the letter, in my personal opinion.
Quit it, please. Please find something else to talk about or take the argument private.
Quote from: Previsionary on July 29, 2009, 06:42:25 PM
In other news, Pod/AA, Patriot makes a cameo in MUA2... they're coming up in the world!
Yep and Cable is in it, and Madrox, and
Speedball Penance! They got some cool characters in the new game. Too bad most will be unplayable.
Someone just implied Cable was cool - alert the media!
Quote from: Talavar on July 29, 2009, 09:42:48 PM
Someone just implied Cable was cool - alert the media!
Cable was cool in Cable and Deadpool and Carey's X-Men.
Quote from: steamteck on July 29, 2009, 08:03:18 PM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 29, 2009, 07:08:09 PM
Quote from: steamteck on July 29, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
And I'd be lying if i didn't think you thinking its homophobic revealed more about you than me but i figure we really don't need to go there.
Turning something around on me doesn't a point make. And if you have something you would like to say about me I'm all ears.
I feel you're way too quick to jump to such conclusions and see things where they don't exist. Very common and easy to dismiss arguments as "homophobic" or "racist" etc and miss the point entirely by obsesseings on a connection that doesn't really exist because it touches on a sensitive subject. I think the pheromone power would would fail to seduce truly lesbian women also. I won't believe a female power to seduce gay men with pheromones either. I just don't find it plausible. Because my suspension of disbelief runs different than your own is no reason to see to see issues really irrelevant to the point.
To write me off as seeing things simply as homophobic or racist is a disrespect to me as a person. You have decided (like your ideas on sexuality orientation) there are only two options.
The problem I had with your comment was it was obviously a personal rejection of something you are uncomfortable with, not how the power worked itself yet you still maintain that is all about pheromones. You seem to think that physics, biology, and psychology can take a backseat in comics but sexuality can not. In your view of the comic world, Straight equals Straight and never anything else. That's offensive to me. It not only dismisses millions of people who are stuck-in the middle but it also reinforces this mindset that straight men can't be curious from time to time. For all you know Daken's pheremones along with his knack for manipulation can make a normally "Straight" man succumb to a biological curiosity that is not only accepted for women to do but praised. Yet to you this is laughable.
This is a frickin' comic book we are talking about. Pheremones playing on a person's sexual curiosity is no more laughable than Superman blowing on someone and freezing them.
Quote from: Podmark on July 29, 2009, 10:34:51 PM
Quote from: Talavar on July 29, 2009, 09:42:48 PM
Someone just implied Cable was cool - alert the media!
Cable was cool in Cable and Deadpool and Carey's X-Men.
Cable also walked a thin line between uber and non-uber during parts of that book... which is why he should have Jean's spot in MUA2. Yeah, I said it. :P
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 29, 2009, 10:44:02 PM
To write me off as seeing things simply as homophobic or racist is a disrespect to me as a person. You have decided (like your ideas on sexuality orientation) there are only two options.
The problem I had with your comment was it was obviously a personal rejection of something you are uncomfortable with, not how the power worked itself yet you still maintain that is all about pheromones. You seem to think that physics, biology, and psychology can take a backseat in comics but sexuality can not. In your view of the comic world, Straight equals Straight and never anything else. That's offensive to me. It not only dismisses millions of people who are stuck-in the middle but it also reinforces this mindset that straight men can't be curious from time to time. For all you know Daken's pheremones along with his knack for manipulation can make a normally "Straight" man succumb to a biological curiosity that is not only accepted for women to do but praised. Yet to you this is laughable.
This is a frickin' comic book we are talking about. Pheremones playing on a person's sexual curiosity is no more laughable than Superman blowing on someone and freezing them.
Your obvious assumptions aren't on target. I never addressed in the middle folks at all but didn't think I needed to. Of course it would work on them. You DO make enormous assumptions and post them and then get offended when you feel the same is done to you. You can certainly decide where your own suspension of disbelief lies but I feel free to disagree. Equal with the darkness of modern comics to me is they've crossed that line where I can't suspend my disbelief anymore.
This is getting us no where out of the enormous respect I have for you as an artist. I'll cede now and say I'm sorry I offended you and am sure you never meant to be offensive either.
Quote from: steamteck on July 29, 2009, 11:04:53 PM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 29, 2009, 10:44:02 PM
To write me off as seeing things simply as homophobic or racist is a disrespect to me as a person. You have decided (like your ideas on sexuality orientation) there are only two options.
The problem I had with your comment was it was obviously a personal rejection of something you are uncomfortable with, not how the power worked itself yet you still maintain that is all about pheromones. You seem to think that physics, biology, and psychology can take a backseat in comics but sexuality can not. In your view of the comic world, Straight equals Straight and never anything else. That's offensive to me. It not only dismisses millions of people who are stuck-in the middle but it also reinforces this mindset that straight men can't be curious from time to time. For all you know Daken's pheremones along with his knack for manipulation can make a normally "Straight" man succumb to a biological curiosity that is not only accepted for women to do but praised. Yet to you this is laughable.
This is a frickin' comic book we are talking about. Pheremones playing on a person's sexual curiosity is no more laughable than Superman blowing on someone and freezing them.
Your obvious assumptions aren't on target. I never addressed in the middle folks at all but didn't think I needed to. Of course it would work on them. You DO make enormous assumptions and post them and then get offended when you feel the same is done to you. You can certainly decide where your own suspension of disbelief lies but I feel free to disagree. Equal with the darkness of modern comics to me is they've crossed that line where I can't suspend my disbelief anymore.
This is getting us no where out of the enormous respect I have for you as an artist. I'll cede now and say I'm sorry I offended you and am sure you never meant to be offensive either.
I can assure you if you were a homosexual, I would have responded the same way. You seem to think this about about a sensitive subject when it is about a damn comic book. That was my whole point. You can dislike Daken because he uses people or even forces them to do things to people you dont agree with but to essentially say "I don't agree because that isn't how real science works" is laughable. That is what I have a problem with because I think we both know it isn't about his power or you would apply the same logic to all superpowers which you obviously dont.
annnnnnyway, Ultimatum 5 finally came out this week. Anyone read it and wanna give us a review on this [almost] year long storyline of epic proportions?
I saw it at the shop but I didn't even think to look through it. I can't imagine it's good, anyway. I picked up Dark Reign: Young Avengers (I almost added "Runaways" to the title, but can you blame me?). It was ok, but not really a lot happened.
Quote from: Previsionary on July 30, 2009, 02:20:12 AM
annnnnnyway, Ultimatum 5 finally came out this week. Anyone read it and wanna give us a review on this [almost] year long storyline of epic proportions?
i picked it up in the shop and flicked through it and put it back, i felt dirty, from what i remember there was a lot fo deaths and the final page was moronic.
Spoiler
wolverine is dead, cyclops is dead, magneto is dead, doc doom is dead, his head is crushed by the thing and the whole thing was set up by quicksilver and the scarlet witch
Witchy poo and her brother scare me.
omgah, that... what the... I'll never be able to enjoy the Ultimate verse again regardless of Mark Millar's presence (and to be honest, he's soured a lot in my books since reading some of his mainstream work).
Not tagging this, but here is a death count list I found on CBR:
QuoteDeath Count:
Angel, Beast, Blob, Cannonball, Captain Britain and the European Initiative, Cipher, Cyclops, Daredevil, Dazzler, Detonator, Forge, Dr. Emma Frost, Hardrive, Juggernaut, Longshot, Lorelei, Madrox, Magneto, Nightcrawler, Polaris, Psylocke, Yellowjacket, Wasp, Dr. Franklin Storm, Dr. Stephen Strange, Sunspot, Syndicate, Thor, Toad, Doom, Wolverine, Prof. Charles Xavier
MIA:
Firestar, Havok, Spider-man
edit: I hear Spidey is still alive courtesy of USM: Requiem #2... so... eh
it' was dooms death that just made me wonder what the hell most of all.
Spoiler
thing just walks into dooms castle grabs his head in one hand and squeezes it like a grape, and say " you had to pay for what you did" and leaves
:banghead:
Spoiler
the only thing that does effectively is lower Doom's threat level... and I wouldnt be surprised if it was a doombot. Easy retcon.
UE, did Loeb ever expand on Rick Jones and the Watchers randomly appearing? I know I shouldn't expect that he did anything with his own continuity, but... I want to be somewhat optimistic... and did "lovely" Zarda reappear? No? Par the course.
Quote from: Podmark on July 29, 2009, 09:17:27 PMQuote from: Previsionary on July 29, 2009, 06:42:25 PMIn other news, Pod/AA, Patriot makes a cameo in MUA2... they're coming up in the world!
Yep and Cable is in it, and Madrox, and Speedball Penance! They got some cool characters in the new game. Too bad most will be unplayable.
It needs the real Penance. Though they call her Hollow now.
Quote from: BlueBard on July 29, 2009, 07:58:18 PMQuote from: Courtnall6 on July 25, 2009, 02:08:29 AMQuote from: AfghanAnt on July 24, 2009, 10:54:15 PMUrgh if you thought Rulk was bad...look forward to seeing She-Rulk - http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=cons/cci2009/cupojoe/HULKTHE016_COV.jpg
Yup...that's pretty bad. Not sure why the artist bothered to draw any clothes on her at all....I guess there's the comics code...but that hasn't been relevent in years.
Ugh... Is that supposed to be attractive or sexy? Who's the artist? I can't remember the name I'm thinking of, but it looks like the kind of thing he'd draw. Or at least I hope so... we don't need more than one terrible Marvel artist who can't actually draw.
Bulging he-man biceps NEVER look good on a woman. (Maybe her power is grossing out people to death. Or maybe it's the artist's power.)
I can understand torn leather, but I can't understand torn leather looking like THAT. If you think about it, it's actually obscuring more of her figure than it reveals.
Is that supposed to be a sai in her right hand, or a trident? A pitchfork would have been more believable with that red skin. Somebody's got serious size issues. And why, oh why, would any Hulk-derivative need to carry a gun?
we'll find out soon. In one of the writer commentary things it was mentioned that Shrulk's look was inspired by the Bride of Frankenstein.
Quote from: marhawkman on July 30, 2009, 05:19:57 PM
we'll find out soon. In one of the writer commentary things it was mentioned that Shrulk's look was inspired by the Bride of Frankenstein.
Any guesses on who she'll turn out to be?
Squirrel Girl.
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What?
I'll be honest, I don't see "Bride of Frankenstein in that. Lobo's Girlfriend, maybe, but not the Bride. Did it say what aspect of the Bride they took? I'm completely missing it otherwise.
(quickie link for image comparison) (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=bride%20of%20frankenstein&sa=N&tab=wi&um=1)
OMG! I'm gonna hurl! Enough with this red hulk business already! HULK is green!
What's next? Red money? In America?
Mostly the outfit and hair.
I don't really know enough to make a guess who she is.
Quote from: thalaw2 on July 30, 2009, 06:27:51 PM
OMG! I'm gonna hurl! Enough with this red hulk business already! HULK is green!
What's next? Red money? In America?
Don't be silly. No way that'll happen! *pockets red money*
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She-hulk got a worse deal than Hulk ever did. Not only was her book canceled (again), but she's been replaced by derivatives twice in the same year only a few months apart and she's going off grid. Not only that, rumor is that she's in the lead for one of the Hulk's cast members "dying." Jen Walters, 2009 has not been good for you.
Quote from: Previsionary on July 30, 2009, 04:21:41 PM
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the only thing that does effectively is lower Doom's threat level... and I wouldnt be surprised if it was a doombot. Easy retcon.
UE, did Loeb ever expand on Rick Jones and the Watchers randomly appearing? I know I shouldn't expect that he did anything with his own continuity, but... I want to be somewhat optimistic... and did "lovely" Zarda reappear? No? Par the course.
i didn't read it i only flicked through it
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Quote from: thalaw2 on July 30, 2009, 06:27:51 PM
OMG! I'm gonna hurl! Enough with this red hulk business already! HULK is green!
What's next? Red money? In America?
Don't be silly. No way that'll happen! *pockets red money*
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She-hulk got a worse deal than Hulk ever did. Not only was her book canceled (again), but she's been replaced by derivatives twice in the same year only a few months apart and she's going off grid. Not only that, rumor is that she's in the lead for one of the Hulk's cast members "dying." Jen Walters, 2009 has not been good for you.
No way!? They better kill Doc Samson or something. Even Rick could kick the bucket and I'd be fine with it.
Anyone read, DR: Young Avengers 3 yet. If so can you explain to me what I just read?
Also what the heck is going on in X-Men Forever (I am the reason CC stays in business. I hate his writing but I end up buying at least a few issues of his comics)?
X-men Forever #4:
I originally thought this book was tolerable especially since Claremont stopped doing his LOOOONG caption thing and the "telling + showing" nonsense that annoyed me in Exiles. However, from what I browsed of this issue, I'm kinda glad I didn't buy it because it's slowly heading into convoluted town. Apparently:
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- Kitty now has one of Wolverine's claws and it's fully functional. How she obtained it? Her interaction with Cortez, which also cleared up Rogue's head space.
- Storm seems to be evil, but wait! There's also a younger storm who happens to be the real version that knows Gambit.
- Sabretooth is Wolverine's father, but no one seems to be picking up on this fact this issue.
- Kitty and Jean have tension for some reason.
- Everyone continues to announce their every movement and feeling.
Apparently a lot of this will be touched on in the next few issues, but... I can't help but have my doubts with Claremont. Hopefully it ends up better than I'm expecting it to.
DR: Young Avengers #3:
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- The Young Avengers test the DR: Y. Avengers and see if they're really worthy of holding the title
- Some of them pass, others fail. Speed is still attracted to Coat of Arms.
- The YA have a meeting (JLA first arc style) and determine which members of the DR:YA are worthy of joining them
- Kate reveals that Executioner knows her ID and that puts a damper on their plan to judge the derivative team
- Executioner doesn't reveal Kate's name to his team, but they feel confident they'll be a part of the YA
- Executioner is met by his mother, Python Princess, who inquires about his relationship with Kate
- Norman is revealed to be keeping a watch on all the YA/DR:YA
This book reads ok to me, but I think it has too many characters for a miniseries. 13 active characters + supporting? I don't think you can make that many characters interesting in only 23 pages of story. It's different in longer term stories because you can build it up over years, miniseries... not so much. However, I was impressed by some of the interactions and some of the positions the YA were put in... especially Vision's position. Though, in general, I like it when characters have to work out internal/psychological issues over bare-bone fighting, but hey, that's me. I'd rate the issue a 3 just to be in a safe zone.
Speaking of comics, why don't some of you guys mosey on over to this thread and read the
Ultimate Trio (http://freedomreborn.net/forums/index.php?topic=51061.msg694070#msg694070) script?
Oh Ultimatum, how awful you are. And I'll bet ya it was a top seller.
Did anyone read any of Mark Millar's run on Fan4? How about Fan4 #569? Let me just say that I was very disappointed in his run (from the parts I read) and his final issue (which he and Hitch didn't even work on outside of outlines) was a major case of, "what the heck is this." It just doesn't mesh with anything that's going on at the moment. Another example of "this is what happens when you give someone too much space and don't 'edit'/'guide' them."
I think I would like this issue "a bit" more if it didn't also serve as a marriage issue, which also introduced its own set of problems.
I especially hated that bit about the guys from the future.
What the 'ell? Dark Reign: Young Avengers? Who are the new team members supposed to be? Man, Marvel has really screwed up lately. Okay, that's all I'm saying...now I shall leave this alone...for now!
Since I'm back in the US for the next month I went to check out my local comic shop...I didn't know what Marvel title to buy.... I need to read this thread more carefully. My fav marvel mag, The Incredible HULK, has turned to crap since I last read it. I also picked up HULK #12.
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Rulk manages to kill the Hulk, Thoraxx, and Silver Surfer. Rulk says he can absorb gamma energy, but developed a taste for cosmic. Then he tried to take on Galactus, but got served up...easily my favorite part of the story. Then the Elders restored everyone he killed and he got mad and killed an Immortal Elder who can't be resurrected...hmmm. I was thinking Rulk might be Thanos until he took on Galactus. Thanos knows better than to believe that absorbing the power of heralds would allow him to have enough strength to even make the Big G blink.
I didn't touch any of the X comics because it's too much of a mess for me to make any attempt at getting back into it.
Rulk is actually Quesada! I mean, who else believes he has that much energy to take on the Big G?
Joe Quesada actually has me wishing Bill Jemas was still in charge of Marvel. I like Joe Q as an artist, and I guess he's okay as a writer, but as EIC, he sucks more than the suckiest suck who ever sucked at sucking.
Captain America Reborn #2 came out this week. Anyone grab it and wanna review it? I, personally, thought it was much better than issue 1 and the whole, "Steve is lost in time," is much more explicitly stated this time around for those that doubted/questioned it. But you know, I have one minor problem with this arc, and it applies to Marvel and DC in general. I can't place when this takes place in comparison to Thunderbolts. If you're reading that story, you know Natasha is also active there, as well as being semi-active in New Avengers, which itself seems to be taking place in the past. I kinda miss the days when Marvel actively acknowledged continuity and would keep character appearances low, or at the very least, they would explain when everything was taking place.
Psylocke fans, all 3 of you, Kyle and Yost expand on the upcoming Psylocke mini. Apparently she's the ninja Jean now since she has her TP back + TK.
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22418
QuotePsylocke always relies on her psi-knife instead of using other aspects of her psi-powers. Now that she's a telepath again as well as a telekinetic (not to mention her ninja skills), can we expect her to use her abilities in more creative ways?
YOST: In the upcoming ?Psylocke? miniseries, she?s going to be using her telepathy, her telekinesis, and two katana swords to get the job done. So you?re definitely going to see a wide range of abilities and use of those abilities coming up.
Some necrosha and other x-men news is there as well.
Also: http://psylocke-butterfly.blogspot.com/2009/08/dark-avengersuncanny-x-men-exodus-first.html
How will the crossover between X-men/Dark Avengers end? Do you care?! What if I tell you it's an action heavy, melee battle? Still nothing? Well... I tried. :P
Prev, I think you're the only Psylocke fan in the world. I'm pretty sure Yost is gonna ask you to write the forward for the TPB.
AA likes her, so shut your FAT mouth and go back to perusing "Mayhem" by Tyrese. Also, it's foreword. OH SNAP! ^^
Quote from: Previsionary on August 06, 2009, 03:09:34 PM
...so shut your FAT mouth and...
Are you calling my orifice obese? :mellow:
Quote from: murs47 on August 06, 2009, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: Previsionary on August 06, 2009, 03:09:34 PM
...so shut your FAT mouth and...
Are you calling my orifice obese? :mellow:
maybe. Problem?
Ultimate Comics Spider-man #1 preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3158&disp=table)
In otherwords I was right. When redefining her new powerset they went with all of the above....
Oh well.
I like her anyways.
I'm really diggin the preview for Xmen vs Dark Avengers. Much butt kicking, and coming from some really unexpected characters.
Ultimate verse relaunches today, anyone gonna check it out? Also, Dark X-men will survive past this crossover in another mini-series and Paul Cornell will be writing it!
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22476
And guess who's returning to comic pages. Could it be... Nate Grey? Indeed it is.
this sounds like it'll be amusing. especially if they have a reunion of the entire Summers family. :)
I want Nate to either beat up the Sentry, or at least make him less of a tool (y'know, with his mind and stuff...)
I want Sentry and Red Hulk to beat each other to death. :thumbup:
Have they fought yet?
Quote from: GhostMachine on August 12, 2009, 06:16:04 PM
I want Sentry and Red Hulk to beat each other to death. :thumbup:
Works for me.
Quote from: GhostMachine on August 12, 2009, 06:16:04 PM
I want Sentry and Red Hulk to beat each other to death. :thumbup:
With the way Sentry has been handled since WWH, I doubt Sentry could beat a fly unless he thought it'd please Norman. Of recent, he's had his butt kicked a lot, not by pure power, but by everyone out-thinking him, and this includes Hercules. :P
Quote from: thanoson on August 12, 2009, 09:30:08 PM
Have they fought yet?
Nope. Kinda surprising really.
I'll "try" to add some reviews here later.
The Sentry really needs to be taken out of play for a good chunk of time - he needs to forget his powers again, or go off into space, or something, because all he is now is a plot device.
Quote from: Previsionary on August 12, 2009, 11:41:26 AM
Ultimate verse relaunches today, anyone gonna check it out?
I picked up Ultimate Avengers today. Here's what happens:
Spoiler
Nick Fury is shown outside the new and improved base (Triskelsion) which is being built, talking to Hawkeye, about how he's back but no longer in charge of S.H.I.E.L.D. In his place is Carol Danvers. They talk about the events of Ultimatum a bit (Nick says that he "told them they should have put a bullet in Magneto's head when they had the chance") and Hawkeye tells Nick that Captain America's gone rogue and Danvers want Nick back to lead a black ops team to capture him. He then mentions that Cap found out about the Red Skull. We then see Captain America and Hawkeye on a mission to stop A.I.M. from robbing the Baxter Building in the wake of Ultimatum. Carol contacts Tony Stark and chews him out for not showing up to help them (instead he's drinking and fraternizing with ladies). Cap And Hawkeye manage to beat the A.I.M. goons easily during a battle in a helicopter but the Red Skull shows up and beats the crap out of Cap. He then whispers something in Cap's ear before knocking Cap out of the copter. Hawkeye jumps out and saves him, and the Red Skull gets away. Cap tells Hawkeye that the Red Skull said he's his son.
This issue was light on plot with not a lot happening storywise, but I thought it was a great read regardless. Miller returning to the team he did his best work on for Marvel is working out pretty well, as he's shown he's still able to get the characters right and spew out cool, witty, and funny lines. At least half of the issue is wham-bam action scene, like a big budget action movie sequence, and I found the art by Pacheco was up to the task of pulling off the cool visual moments. There was maybe a bit too much in terms of splash pages and big panels, but it works for Ultimates, and it's something you come to expect from the book. Cap continues to be a arrogant jerk (he goes out of his way to throw the bad guys out of the airborne chopper!) but he spouts the cool action lines like a pro. The scene with Tony didn't add a lot to the plot, thought it does serve to explain why he's not there, but it's a very funny scene that's perfectly in character for the Ultimate Tony, who's basically pre-Civil War Tony, except without any sense of self-restraint or inhibition. And having Nick Fury back in the series feels very good (Pacheco passed the Samual L. Jackson test).
All in all, I really enjoyed the issue, and I'll definitely pick up the next one. It gets a solid 4 on the Prev-O-Meter ™ (that's what we call it right? I think that's right.)
Quote from: Previsionary on August 06, 2009, 03:09:34 PM
AA likes her, so shut your FAT mouth and go back to perusing "Mayhem" by Tyrese. Also, it's foreword. OH SNAP! ^^
I especially love her drawn by the Dodson too bad she is being written by Fraction.
I just read Ultimate Comics Spider-man #1 today:
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It opens with Peter working at a fast food joint getting grief from customers. Later, we're told by MJ Watson, high school reporter, that New York has been repaired and reopened. A crime is stopped by a mysterious vigilante, only for Spidey to show up after it's taken care of. The cops are really pleased just to meet him, and he then returns home to Gwen Stacy waiting for him, and they then make out. Kitty Pryde gets referenced, and Johnny Storm appears to crash on Peter & Aunt May's couch. The Kingpin returns to New York (all evidence of his previous trial destroyed when the city was) only to be apparently killed by some other mystery guy with powers, who kinda looks like Dormammu.
I wasn't terribly impressed here. This is basically the same as the 'One Year Later' stunt DC pulled a while back, where time is jumped after a big event, there are a number of significant continuity changes, and the reader is introduced to events already in progress. It's gimmicky, and has a lot less impact than it would if we just got to see these changes as they unfolded.
Also, I just don't see a lot of reason for Ultimate Spidey to exist any more. At first, it was a way to have teenage, single Peter Parker while 616 Pete was married & older, and to offer a less convoluted continuity for new readers. Now 616 Pete has been reset with Brand New Day, and the Ultimate line is as bogged down in continuity, I'm just not seeing the point.
Quote from: Talavar on August 13, 2009, 05:12:01 PM
Also, I just don't see a lot of reason for Ultimate Spidey to exist any more.
Because Ultimate Spider-woman is better than You (not you personally just "You" generally.)
why were gwen and peter making out? Also, yeah, I think Iceman, Kitty, and Torch are now officially part of Spidey's cast... though I have to wonder what happened to Liz/firestar since she wasn't killed. Also, i read the preview awhile back and I REALLY hope The Hood wasn't ultimized. He's one of the most annoying 616 villains around to me because Bendis won't stop using him and now he's in like 5 different books.
I think the mysterious dormammu-looking guy is...
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Ultimate Mysterio
Zip, you could be correct. Unless Dormammu went through some sort of transformation after whatever happened to him in Ultimatum/Requiem, I don't think he'd be in fighting form right now. Anyway, I plan to review UXM: FC, Marvel Project, and some other random book today...
*sigh* That Prev guy is getting lazy in the reviewing area, isn't he?
I read Ultimate Avengers and really enjoyed it. It's kinda hilarious. Also Pacheco has nice art.
Didn't read Ultimate Spider-Man but I like the idea of Kitty, Iceman and Human Torch being in the cast. Might pick up another trade soon.
Quote from: Zippo on August 13, 2009, 05:43:33 PM
I think the mysterious dormammu-looking guy is...
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Ultimate Mysterio
Ultimate Mysterio first appeared in the Ultimate Spider-Man annual #3. Based on a recent Ultimate Comics Spider-Man cover I saw he seems to still have the same design.
Uncanny X-men: First Class #2:
Last issue focused on the lovable, blue elf, Nightcrawler as he dealt with the feelings of being a pure outcast unlike his teammates. While on a trip to Attilan with Colossus, Nightcrawler experiences a ritual that angers him to the point of action against the Inhumans. What happens next? Click the tag, yo:
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Colossus rushes to his fallen comrade?s aid as the Inhumans demand his death. Fortunately for Kurt, Blackbolt arrives and announces that there will be a trial for Kurt?s interruption of the terrigenesis ritual. As NC is hauled off, Colossus and Triton contact the X-men so that they may be at the trial to help defend their teammate. As Banshee, Storm, and Cyclops make their way to Attilan, they are suddenly stopped midflight by the power of the Phoenix, who joins the party.
The next day, Kurt is put on trial where he gives an impassioned speech about conformity, lack of choices, and societal views. Gorgon isn?t impressed and questions if NC feels bad at all for what he did. Kurt only regrets one thing: insulting his buddy, Colossus. On this precise note, the other X-men arrive and Cyclops demands Blackbolt talk with them. The crowd of Inhumans are enraged, and their thoughts begin to overwhelm Jean, who aptly uses her TK to save NC despite Cyclops?s plan. So, of course, this gives us our obligatory Inhuman royal family vs. X-men fight. During the course of the brawl, Karnak asks NC if he perhaps judged the inhumans too quickly, and Gorgon creates a seismic wave so powerful that everyone is at risk of being crushed by falling boulders from a shattering mountain that protects Attilan. After Jean and Blackbolt save the day, NC is set free and the X-men and Inhumans part ways amicably.
On the plane ride home, Jean and Scott get into a little tiff, which ends with Scott claiming he doesn?t understand Jean anymore. Jean scoffs and responds, ?maybe you never did!? Trouble in paradise, no? The book ends with Wolverine?s location finally being revealed. He was kicked to Georgia? the one near Russia. End.
This issue had a weird dynamic to me. I appreciate Scott Gray giving the spotlight to Colossus and Nightcrawler, considering they don?t do much in regular continuity, but Colossus get less shine than Nightcrawler did in issue 1. With 6 issues to go in this mini-series, I thought Colossus would get a little more highlight in an issue that was supposed to be centered on him. Anyway, the X-men/Inhuman fight was decent, but I?m a little iffy on the art this time around. Sometimes it works, sometimes it looks odd. It was nice to see Jean finally rejoin the team, and her argument with Scott and the use of her powers hints at things to come (or gives more late foreshadowing to her Dark Phoenix storyline?).
Overall, this sits at a 3 for me. Nothing special, but worth a browse.
Incredible Hercules #132:
Last issue involved the troublesome duo traveling to hell to save Hercules father, Zeus. While there, Cho met up with his parents and learned that his sister was still alive. This led to Cho splitting from Herc to go find his sibling, and Hercules being stuck with a teenaged amnesiac who was formerly his father. As of this issue, the book will now come out twice a month (for three months). Let the story begin!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_origin.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=origin.jpg)
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Jumping immediately into the story, Herc explains to a young Zeus that he is the father of both Athena and Herc, himself. After a cringe worthy line from the God of gods, harpies attack the trio, and Athena serves as a distraction as Hercules and Zeus flee. An hour later, Hercules and Zeus run into an Asgardian running from Dark Elves and a Troll. Herc to the rescue! Unfortunately, Herc is man-handled by the Troll, which is quickly struck down by the awesome power of kid Zeus!
With the threat of trolls out of the way, Balder enlists the help of Hercules to handle an upcoming threat, Alflyse, the queen of dark elves. Balder?s plan was to make the elves believe that Thor was still among the asgardians. Hercules?s costume is transformed via magick, and he is given a substitute hammer to imitate Mjolner. Hercule crushes the hammer and instead opts to use his own golden mace. Once again, thanks to magick, it is rendered into the shape of Mjplner to the naked eye.
Skipping past some scenes, the book ends with Hercules and Zeus traveling down their version of the ?world tree? in Axis Mundi and being bombarded with goblins and other creatures while Baldur and the witch in his company are revealed to be? Malekith and some dark elves!
Compared to the other issues, the humor in this one is a little more subdued. It?s a fairly good read and I think the art fit very well (in comparison to an issue or two ago). There?s a small change in tone with the absence of Amadeus, but I think kid Zeus brings an adequate element to the scene with his arrogance and ignorance. Sadly, I don?t have much to say about this issue other than I LOVED the recap page and I think it might have introduced too many things in this issue alone.
Still, I give it a 3.5 out of 5.The Marvels Project #1:
Here?s the latest project by Ed Brubaker. What is it, you ask? Well, Brubaker attempts to flesh out and explain the creation of the marvel universe. Will he succeed? Let?s give it a looksie.
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1938, Matt Hawk lies on his deathbed as a doctor observes him. Matt explains that it all began here and that he was a part of it. His doctor is amused and jots down notes, not knowing whether to believe the man or not. Soon, Matt dies and leaves the doctor a box and a note. Matt Hawk?Two Gun Kid.
The next few pages revolve around FDR as he learns about a breakthrough in a science experiment: A synthetic man that can light on fire. We also learn that the Germans are dropping depth charges in the Atlantic. This cues a transition to the Germans pulling up dead Atlantians in a fishnet moments before Namor bursts out of the ocean and vows vengeance on the entire crew. Meanwhile, ?The Human Torch? is being shown to the public for the first time. In an effort to generate outrage in the Germans, no one planned for the American reaction to be so hostile. This results in the Torch being buried in cement.
Over in Germany, Erskine learns of the synthetic man the Americans have built and that something happened to the vessel which was supposed to bring back more sea creature specimens. He?ll have to make do with the samples he already has. This brings us to Nick Fury who is recruited to help save some scientists that want to defect.
The ending to the book begins with Human Torch breaking free of his cement enclosure and causing a large array of destruction because he/it can?t control its powers yet. This brings us full circle and directly right back to Dr. Thomas Holloway?Angel?as he saves a woman from her attacker and continues to save people from stray fires. The final scene is of Thomas opening the box he received from Matt earlier and realizing his new purpose.
This was an awesome read, especially if you have an interest in the golden age/Timely comics. I loved seeing Angel again, and it intrigues me that Ed was able to connect his story to both the original Human Torch and Two Gun Kid. The art is also spot on for a project like this, and I don?t have any complaints about it at all. Despite the ?retcon? nature of it all, I am truly interested to see where Brubaker takes this story and how many characters he can tie together. If you?re interested in the creation of the Marvel-verse at all, I recommend this to you.
4.5 out of 5. Is this my highest score yet? I think so? wow.
Upcoming series:
S.W.O.R.D: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22465 featuring Agent Brand, Beast, and Lockheed.
I'll perhaps update this post with another review later. Doubt it. :P
Ii so need the Hercules one. :)
X-men Legacy #227:
Previously in X-men Legacy, Rogue, Gambit, and Danger arrived in San Fran to help Cyclops with his plans to take down the Dark Avengers. During the course of all of this, Rogue drained Ares and managed to siphon a bit of his strength. Meanwhile, Gambit meets up with two characters he doesn?t know who were commissioned by Cyclops. Does ?Ariel? ring a bell to any of you?
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Gambit advises Ariel and her helper to take good care of Trance, as she is stuck between ?spirit-walking? and her normal self. Ariel agrees to before she and her helper disappear into a portal leading into the X-base. Following a slightly amusing scene between Candy (Mindee) and Ariel, the team is in shock over Trance?s disappearance, who is later shown falling through a portal in the streets of San Fran where she is almost immediately hunted down by Norman?s men. Unfortunately for the armed men, Trance?s power are out of control and take them all down as she runs into the distance.
On the streets in a high-powered vehicle of some sort, Rogue, Gambit, and Danger get a distress signal from Mindee in regards to Trance. Gambit theorizes that Trance?s bio-energy powers are also out of control, and the team continues onward in search of her. The trio eventually track Trance down, but her powers are raging out of control. Rogue and Danger take point while Gambit provides backup.
As Rogue tries to talk Trance down and give her a needed confidence boost, Ms. Marvel (Karla) arrives on the scene and shoots Danger (who?s returned to Gambit?s side by this point) before getting into a short super-powered brawl with Gambit. Karla and Rogue finally meet, and Karla shoots a beam square in Rogue?s face. This only earns Ms. Marvel a solid punch that lands her a place in the side of a vehicle. However, after the attack, Rogue is drained of her super-strength and Karla gets the upper hand. While Rogue is being manhandled, Trance finally gets her powers in control and saves her mentor. And thanks to some fast thinking and team work, Rogue, Gambit, and Trance manage to beat Karla and teleport away via Pixie.
The book comes to a conclusion with Rogue and Cyclops having a quick conversation about decisions and giving Norman and his team a little retribution.
Maybe I?ve never noticed it before, but I like Mindee?s costume. White looks good on her. Podmark! Also, I find it vaguely intriguing that writers (Fraction and Carey) are giving the three-in-one time to shine on their own. The Stepford thing was getting old, but none of them seems particularly cold anymore. Seems a bit unnatural in the growth, but I guess they?re ignoring that Phoenix mini. I can live with that. Onto the actual content of this story, Ariel and her companion didn?t add very much content to the issue and I question their inclusion. It was nice seeing Rogue trying to help Trance overcome her difficulties, but I think that development was kinda sidestepped by the addition of Karla in the scene. It wasn?t bad, but it wasn?t as good as I felt it could have been. Oddly enough, I really like the dynamic of Rogue, Gambit, and Danger. The only thing missing? Iceman. Seriously, I think Iceman would fit in better with this cast than being wallpaper over in Uncanny. Can we make that happen? Anyway, I rate it a 3. The book is still sitting on that middle line and didn?t really gain anything from or benefit Utopia in any form. It was just there. I hope that the annual and the issue that follows it finally get Rogue and her cast on their way.
Wolverine: Weapon X #4:
What happened in the last Weapon X? Well, Wolverine implanted a tracking device in one of the Adamantium men/Strikeforce X members and found it attached to a tree with the eye he hid it behind. Meanwhile, Alita Gardner (reporter) found out the truth about the Blackguard, and because of her knowledge, she barely escaped death thanks to the help of Maverick.
Spoiler
Opening scene, Bob, an employee for the Blackguard and a potential leaker of information, is being fired from his job. He doesn?t understand why and asks about his benefits. The CEO tells the men in the room with Bob to give him his benefits?a blindfold and a cigarette?before he has his men blow Bob?s brains out. Transition, Maverick is talking to Gertrude (HAMMER) about what happened and she relays this information plus more to him. Seconds after he hangs up, Maverick gets another phone call, but this time, it?s from Wolverine. He?s found someone who?s willing to talk. Cue the Maverick/Wolverine teamup.
Later, Wolverine and Maverick track down the CEO in a limousine, and Wolverine aptly stops it in his own unique way. This leads to an intense 3-page fight between him and one of the Adamantium men on the streets until they end up in the view of a bunch of kids on a bus. This temporarily halts the fight. Well, it does until Wolverine and his opponent find somewhere out of view to continue their fighting. Meanwhile, Maverick tracks down the CEO and another adamantium man and threatens to shoot them. Unfortunately, Maverick doesn?t anticipate that the enhanced fighter he?s facing off against has laser projectile claws.
The book speeds to a conclusion with another series of blows being traded between Logan and his opponent before they both crumble to the ground: one from exhaustion and the other from being brutally stabbed.
This issue had very little plot development and a lot of fighting. It?s a violent issue, but not as violent as
Invincible was an issue or two ago. I really don?t have much to say about it really, as nothing particularly stood out to me. I do find a specific ability an adamantium man portrayed pretty convenient, but other than that, it was just? whatever. 3 out of 5.
Quick reviewASM #603 (3.5):
I read the third issue of the current Spider-man arc, and I must say Van Lente has really impressed me. I never thought I?d think the Chameleon was any sort of bad-arse, but this arc really made me see him differently. Not only did he cause a lot of chaos in Pete?s life in one whole day, but also he made strong hints that MJ just might?ve been the perfect woman for Spidey all along. Maybe that doesn?t seem like a big deal to most, but I grew very tired of reading reviews and issues of BND where Gwen would be brought up almost non-stop. It?s more of a ?please stop rubbing this bland blonde girl in the reader?s faces if she?s not being used in a significant way? feeling than anything. Nice way to switch it up even though Gwennie still found her way into the book.
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I think I really liked one of the themes in this particular issue with Chameleon (as Pete) effecting so many people as he did. One of Parker?s fatal flaws is that he thinks no one appreciates him, and he undermines his own worth to others. Twas interesting, if not clich?d, that Fred Van Lente showed us this but also used it in a twisted, negative light. I guess my only problem with this issue would be two things: 1) The violence??Spidey? isn?t in this issue at all, but Pete has a pretty graphic scene and 2) Implied sex scene. Tis an all ages book, right? The ?braintrust? has been getting a little carried away with a few things and I think they need to reign it back in. So, this arc so far sits at a 3.5 for me. Leading issue was a bit blah, but the second and third issue of the arc really stepped it up.
Hulk 14 preview: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3236&disp=table
--looks painful.
Dark Avengers 8 preview: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3234&disp=table
--You guys reading this crossover need to let us guys who aren?t know if it?s going well. :P. Also, did Fraction just pull a Jason Aaron and have the panels cover a bunch of days? Let us hope his story benefits from it like Aaron?s two part Wolverine story did.
Incredible Herc 134 wordless preview: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3230&disp=table
--If you?re not picking up this book yet, you?re doing a disservice to your funny bone.
So, anymore reviews? X-factor? Punisher Noir? Mighty Avengers guest starring Young Avengers? Anything? :P
I'm really starting to wonder just how Dead Gwen will be at year's end....
Quote from: Previsionary on August 15, 2009, 09:32:37 PM
Upcoming series:
S.W.O.R.D: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22465 featuring Agent Brand, Beast, and Lockheed.
I'll perhaps update this post with another review later. Doubt it. :P
M.I.B. wannabees...Ugh.
Pod read stuff (Legacy, X-Factor, ASM, Mighty) all were decent, liked Legacy the best. Mighty needs a new artist badly.
Since when has Gwen been brought up in BND? I have every issue and the only time I can remember her being mentioned is well this week's issue and that made prefect sense. Oh and there was a grave scene in American Son but that's just to set up the old Osborn/Parker fued. I really don't see Gwen coming back anytime soon.
Quote from: Podmark on August 21, 2009, 06:51:16 PM
Since when has Gwen been brought up in BND? I have every issue and the only time I can remember her being mentioned is well this week's issue and that made prefect sense. Oh and there was a grave scene in American Son but that's just to set up the old Osborn/Parker fued. I really don't see Gwen coming back anytime soon.
Maybe you blocked it out, Pod. I remember her being mentioned in American Son (a few times, iirc), current issue, Character Assassination, and other indirect references to her (I specifically remember him bringing her up when Lily was hitting on him hardcore and I certainly remember "Stacy" being written on an object in the actual art of one comic, can't remember which...). So yeah, she's been mentioned or hinted at a lot. That's not even counting the "status quo" pic which was at the start of BND. Of course, I can admit that my "stop trying to shove blonde girl down my throat!" attitude also stems from the fact she's been all over the place in some form whether it be USM or Spider-girl with the Gwen look-alike.
X-force #18 preview: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3261&disp=table
hmm.. no mutants died. YAY!
Yeah I don't honestly remember every mention, but Spider-Man books always mention her every so often. I haven't seen anything yet that makes me expect a return.
JMS did want to bring back Gwen as part of OMD. Quesada and co. decided to go with Harry instead. I think they made the right choice.
Quote from: Previsionary on August 21, 2009, 09:18:46 PM
I certainly remember "Stacy" being written on an object in the actual art of one comic, can't remember which...)
There was a 'G. Stacey' written on a tube containing a male body in Osborn's lab during American Son. I took it to be Gabriel, Gwen and Norman's son.
New week, new comics. No long reviews today because I've other, more important things to do rather than spoil you all with sumviews. So there!
X-force #18 (3.5):
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I liked the issue. Crazy tongue lady made me want to toss her in acid for hurting poor, poor X-23. Also, tongue lady is up there on the freaky tongue scale... right next to Lady D-strike in Fraction's Sisterhood arc. However, I'm kind of tired of how slowly Rahne's story in progressing. I really don't think she belongs in this book. I'm hoping she goes to New Mutants after the crossover.
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Out of all the issues, this one was my favorite of the series. I loved Aurora's portion and how she continuously got the upper hand over Norman. It was refreshing because Norman has been out thinking everyone lately like a Marvel version of Lex Luthor. However, the book failed to explain why Mystique is back and why she allowed herself to be put under Norman's command and shot up with nanites (?). I kinda doubt the woman is obsessed with Wolverine enough to join any old team just to get the chance to fight him again. She can do that ANY time. Sorry, Jason Aaron, you let me down on that one. Regardless, this issue was good, but the series made me question why it was needed since the Dark X-men fell apart this week and a new version will be set up for the mini-series. Whatever. If I had a say in anything Marvel related, this book would have came out BEFORE Utopia even began. It would have worked out better.
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Good issue. I enjoyed it. Tons of action, a little drama, and some references to Moira and Legion. I feel kinda bad for Sam because he's yet to come into his own as a true leader (Hi, Havok #2), and Dani isn't making that any easier for him. I do feel parts of the story were a little rushed, but nothing really suffered much from it. I continue to like Illyana and I'm glad she's back, and I hope Zeb continues to write the team as a bit shaky for a few more issues.
Anymore reviews? Hulk 14, Incredible Herc, Incredible Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Deadpool? Anything?!
Torch #1 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3289&disp=table) - I'm vaguely interested in this... though I think it'd be odd to have the original Torch running around. Imagine... Two (or Three) Human Torch type characters... who does he think he is? Wolverine (Emma or Deadpool)? Pfft.
Podmark read some comics.
X-ForceSpoiler
Warpath saves Boom-Boom, Elixir saves Surge but is now in a coma, Eli Bard resurrects Doug Ramsey, Wolfsbane and Hrimhari fight Frost Giants, Wolverine punches out Cyclops for being a jerk, X-23 is brought back to the Facility where Kimura tears her apart with a chainsaw.
You in point form a lot happened in this issue, but my biggest complain was that they could have done more. Too many splash pages and pages with only a couple of panels and balloons. Besides that this was a very good issue. This was probably my favorite art from Choi, and the end was pretty horrific. 4/5
Avengers: The InitiativeSpoiler
Half the issue is focused on Dr. Sax and Johnny Guitar, old Dazzler villains. It recaps their careers up to now where they've joined the new all cannon fodder version of the Shadow Initiative on a suicide mission to take back 42 from Blastar. By the end Guitar injures Sax to save him from the mission then dies in the Negative zone. The rest of the issue focuses on Komodo and the others taking back the prison with some help from inmate Hardball who rejoins the Initiative.
This was a decent issue. I'd have rather focused on the regular characters in the first half but for one issue it was ok. I like Rafa Sandoval's art but he's got a lot of room to improve, particularly with Trauma - who I actually rate Initiative artists on their version of him. 3/5
New MutantsSpoiler
The New Mutants fight Legion, Sam orders Dani not to help because she's not a mutant anymore so she's angry at him and of course saves by the end of the fight, Magik goes inside his head and puts David back in charge. Day saved, Cyclops and the X-Men arrive for mop-up.
Yay this arc is finally over. I really liked the first issue but the last 3 were too isolated it was all Legion and I didn't find it that interesting. This issue was decent though, the fight was pretty cool and the Sam/Dani setup should be interesting, and Scott's line at the end was prefect. Next issue we'll hopefully be back to San Fran (or wherever the X-Men will be living) so the stories can touch on more things. Art's ok but there were some rough spots. 3/4
Guardians of the GalaxyIf you're a Guardians reader I suggest you read the issue instead of checking the spoilers first
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After War of Kings there's a giant expanding hole in space. Rocket takes his team to the Inhumans to stop it's growth. They fight some tentacle things and there's this great scene of Groot and Maximus making up some device to save them. Then Adam Warlock and Gamora appear with the Church of Truth's fleet and Adam casts a massive spell to stop the hole from growing. Big heroic moment for Adam then Phyla stabs him through the chest, revealing killing Adam was the deal she made with Oblivion to save Moondragon. Gamora fights Phyla and stabs her through the chest. Adam gets up but it's not Adam anymore, it's the Magus and he snaps Gamora's neck.
I really liked this issue, the Groot scene is the greatest thing ever. I like Walker's art save for a couple characters. 5/5
NovaSpoiler
Nova and his allies fight and beat the Praetorium and take them into custody. Ravenous and Robbie are both ok. Richie decides to keep the Corps small and keep the remaining members including Robbie. Quasar leaves. The Nova Corps take Ego to the new hole in space where they find a Xandarian ship
Good issue, nice fight, but probably too easy. I'm very happy with the new status quo except that Quasar left. Good art. 4/5
Also read Flash: Rebirth, which I liked, but that's not for this thread.
Pod's reviews somehow reminded me that I checked out Wolverine Origins #39. No major spoilers, but Romulus FINALLY appears (underwhelming... very). Also, two of Wolverine's villains "die."
Pod, your complaint about X-force's splash pages made me chuckle... and then I remembered the several pointless, one word splash pages in Wolverine Origins and went... "wow."
Incredible Hulk 601 (4):
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After 13 issues of Red Hulk and 20 or so issues of Incredible Herc, I can happily and honestly say that Banner is back and the story was interesting the WHOLE way through. I loved how Banner was so well-rounded and formidable even without his Hulk powers, and he might just give Cho a run for his money in the sneaky, hacking department. Also, I think this may be the first time I've seen Juggernaut since... Manifest Destiny? Wait, he was in a panel of Wolverine. Nvm, then. Of note is all the references to what the Illuminati did to Hulk and how there's still a sense of untrust on both sides, and with Skaar being in the book, I'm interested in seeing how the dynamic between him and Bruce develops. Anyway, next issue, I look forward to the Skaar/Juggernaut/Banner showdown. I don't really have much to say about "New" She-hulk because she's so new, but I like that she looks up to Jen so much. Kinda sad that she lost her future boi so very early in her creation. Maybe she'll also have the Wolverine death touch in the lovers department!
Of note: Some of the 8 smartest people in the Marvel World in no particular order
- Reed Richards
- Hank Pym
- T'Challa
- Beast
- Amadeus Cho
- Bruce Banner
Don't forget Doom! His latest feat of genius was something even I didn't think Doom was capable of.
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The "Master of Doom" storyline concludes in a twoparter that has even my Dr. Who trained brain baffled. I'm gonna rearrange things into a chronological order to make it easier to explain. Reed fought some guy from an alternate Earth who was the only Mutant on that world at some point in the past. This guy had some reality altering powers that'd make even Proteus look like a chump. Reed beats the guy by trapping him in a dreamworld and essentially leaving him catatonic indefinately. Somehow he wakes up at some point in the future and eventually becomes the badguy calling himself "the Marquis of Death", teh lameness. For unexplained reasons the Marquis travels back in time where he takes on an apprentice who was a formidable weilder of the dark arts in his own right. Then the two of them eventually tutor Victor von Doom in the mystic arts. After a while they come to think of Victor as a failure and decide to eliminate him(by injuring him and sending him back in time several million years) and take revenge on the Fantastic Four for sullying their "reputations". The Marquis does this by trying to force Reed to choose between saving his children and saving all the earths in the multiverse. (It's not even clear whether the Marquis could actually destroy them all.) When Reed (figuratively)tells him "up yours", the Marquis brings in an army of (near identical) alternate versions of the FF. These guys are apparently there to make Reed change his mind. Ben meanwhile had been forced by the Marquis to make a descision of whether or not to kill the guy who would supposedly become the Marquis. Ben chooses to sucker punch the Marquis' apprentice and free him from his slumber. The guy then returns with Ben to the tower to fight the Marquis, and loses, but manages to wear the Marquis down in the process. But while the Marquis is gloating, Reed uses a device to supercharge the FF with energy borrowed from their alternate selves, they then kick the Marquis' tired butt. While the Marquis is talking about how Reed should kill him etc... his apprentice shows up and starts ordering him around. When the Marquis reminds him of who's in charge, the apprentice kills him. Why? It turns out this apprentice was really Victor von Doom the entire time.... Being sent into the past and devoured by giant sharks was apparently not enough to kill him. He somehow used his mystic arts to keep himself alive the entire time, create a completely new body for himself that the Marquis wouldn't recognize, then became his apprentice so that he could get close enough to kill him. Yikes..... I really wanna know how this is gonna affect future stories with Doom.
ugh, marhawk... why did you have to recap something I had been valiantly trying to forget. I didn't mention him because he wasn't in the issue in question, which only had those heroes that attempted to help Banner. I didn't even mention Tony. :P.
Otherwise, I'd have included Doom and the "6th smartest man in the world" from Incredible Herc. ^^. Anyway, since the FF timeline is sooooo wonky right now, I doubt that story will change much unless Hickman continues with it. I'm pretty sure Millar's run is Pre-Dark Reign... or at least I hope it is.
Quote from: Podmark on August 27, 2009, 07:19:40 PM
Podmark read some comics.
X-Force
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Warpath saves Boom-Boom, Elixir saves Surge but is now in a coma, Eli Bard resurrects Doug Ramsey, Wolfsbane and Hrimhari fight Frost Giants, Wolverine punches out Cyclops for being a jerk, X-23 is brought back to the Facility where Kimura tears her apart with a chainsaw.
You in point form a lot happened in this issue, but my biggest complain was that they could have done more. Too many splash pages and pages with only a couple of panels and balloons. Besides that this was a very good issue. This was probably my favorite art from Choi, and the end was pretty horrific. 4/5
Wtf? Oi, I can think of a short, hairy mutant with claws who's gonna be mad. Which reminds me, has Daken even met X-23? How would Wolverine even explain it to him without giving the poor boy a headache and make him want a beer or something? "So, wait, is she my Mom? Sister? Cousin? What the Hell?"
As weird as this may be I like Daken and I love Laura and through them I enjoy Logan again which is odd because I haven't liked him since I was like 6.
Quote from: NeoDarke on August 28, 2009, 07:15:28 AMQuote from: Podmark on August 27, 2009, 07:19:40 PMPodmark read some comics.
X-Force
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Warpath saves Boom-Boom, Elixir saves Surge but is now in a coma, Eli Bard resurrects Doug Ramsey, Wolfsbane and Hrimhari fight Frost Giants, Wolverine punches out Cyclops for being a jerk, X-23 is brought back to the Facility where Kimura tears her apart with a chainsaw.
Wtf? Oi, I can think of a short, hairy mutant with claws who's gonna be mad. Which reminds me, has Daken even met X-23? How would Wolverine even explain it to him without giving the poor boy a headache and make him want a beer or something? "So, wait, is she my Mom? Sister? Cousin? What the Hell?"
I think Aunt would be more appropriate.
@Prev: I only read it yesterday and I wanna forget it already. :p
Quote from: NeoDarke on August 28, 2009, 07:15:28 AM
Quote from: Podmark on August 27, 2009, 07:19:40 PM
Podmark read some comics.
X-Force
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Warpath saves Boom-Boom, Elixir saves Surge but is now in a coma, Eli Bard resurrects Doug Ramsey, Wolfsbane and Hrimhari fight Frost Giants, Wolverine punches out Cyclops for being a jerk, X-23 is brought back to the Facility where Kimura tears her apart with a chainsaw.
You in point form a lot happened in this issue, but my biggest complain was that they could have done more. Too many splash pages and pages with only a couple of panels and balloons. Besides that this was a very good issue. This was probably my favorite art from Choi, and the end was pretty horrific. 4/5
Wtf? Oi, I can think of a short, hairy mutant with claws who's gonna be mad. Which reminds me, has Daken even met X-23? How would Wolverine even explain it to him without giving the poor boy a headache and make him want a beer or something? "So, wait, is she my Mom? Sister? Cousin? What the Hell?"
Didn't Laura and Daken briefly meet in Dark Avengers (Fraction) this week? Daken probably wouldn't care about her unless they use it to give him another "I hate daddy" issue. If that were the case... I hate to see how Logan's other son would act. Yes, Logan has another son (Erista) he doesn't know about.
X-men: Girls on the Run by Chris Claremont (http://psylocke-butterfly.blogspot.com/2009/08/x-men-gals-on-run-by-claremont-manara.html) - Should I be scared by such an advent or amused?
Quote from: Previsionary on August 28, 2009, 03:31:50 PM
Quote from: NeoDarke on August 28, 2009, 07:15:28 AM
Quote from: Podmark on August 27, 2009, 07:19:40 PM
Podmark read some comics.
X-Force
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Warpath saves Boom-Boom, Elixir saves Surge but is now in a coma, Eli Bard resurrects Doug Ramsey, Wolfsbane and Hrimhari fight Frost Giants, Wolverine punches out Cyclops for being a jerk, X-23 is brought back to the Facility where Kimura tears her apart with a chainsaw.
You in point form a lot happened in this issue, but my biggest complain was that they could have done more. Too many splash pages and pages with only a couple of panels and balloons. Besides that this was a very good issue. This was probably my favorite art from Choi, and the end was pretty horrific. 4/5
Wtf? Oi, I can think of a short, hairy mutant with claws who's gonna be mad. Which reminds me, has Daken even met X-23? How would Wolverine even explain it to him without giving the poor boy a headache and make him want a beer or something? "So, wait, is she my Mom? Sister? Cousin? What the Hell?"
Didn't Laura and Daken briefly meet in Dark Avengers (Fraction) this week? Daken probably wouldn't care about her unless they use it to give him another "I hate daddy" issue. If that were the case... I hate to see how Logan's other son would act. Yes, Logan has another son (Erista) he doesn't know about.
X-men: Girls on the Run by Chris Claremont (http://psylocke-butterfly.blogspot.com/2009/08/x-men-gals-on-run-by-claremont-manara.html) - Should I be scared by such an advent or amused?
Erista only counts if Colossus' kid (Peter) counts.
Wait weren't they all killed off with the mutates?
I don't think so....
I count Colossus's child!
*wonders what it is about the savage land that makes the "All New" X-men produce spawns they don't know about despite being on said island millions of times...*
And didn't Logan also adopt a kid or something?
Anyway, just read Wolverine: First Class... gotta love how PAD digs at all the people that downloaded Wolverine Origins before it was done. That's so him.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_origins.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=origins.jpg)
Quote from: Previsionary on August 29, 2009, 12:14:17 AM
I count Colossus's child!
*wonders what it is about the savage land that makes the "All New" X-men produce spawns they don't know about despite being on said island millions of times...*
And didn't Logan also adopt a kid or something?
Anyway, just read Wolverine: First Class... gotta love how PAD digs at all the people that download Wolverine Origins before it was done. That's so him.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_origins.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=origins.jpg)
Pfft! I stopped counting how many kids, mostly girls for some reason, Logan has adopted. Though I still think Daken should hold his head as soon as he hears Laura story. Maybe Logan's family should go see family counseling. Should probably be someone they can't hack apart though. Ah hell, just send 'em all out camping. Ether they'll kill each other, or they won't.
Wolverine considers X-23 his sister. At least that's how he introduced her to the other kids in New X-Men.
Wolvie has 2 sons, Daken and Erista, and an adopted girl who I think is Japanese.
anyone else read dark avengers, it wasn't bad and had quite a few things happen which will impact future x-men stories
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on August 29, 2009, 09:11:50 PM
anyone else read dark avengers, it wasn't bad and had quite a few things happen which will impact future x-men stories
I'm waiting to buy the Utopia story either as a trade or on sale at my shop. What I've seen and heard it seems decent.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on August 29, 2009, 09:11:50 PM
anyone else read dark avengers, it wasn't bad and had quite a few things happen which will impact future x-men stories
Share, share TUE!
Dana
Here's a spoilerific summary: http://uncannyxmen.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6224
Quote from: NeoDarke on August 29, 2009, 07:23:59 AM
Quote from: Previsionary on August 29, 2009, 12:14:17 AM
I count Colossus's child!
*wonders what it is about the savage land that makes the "All New" X-men produce spawns they don't know about despite being on said island millions of times...*
And didn't Logan also adopt a kid or something?
Anyway, just read Wolverine: First Class... gotta love how PAD digs at all the people that download Wolverine Origins before it was done. That's so him.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_origins.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=origins.jpg)
Pfft! I stopped counting how many kids, mostly girls for some reason, Logan has adopted. Though I still think Daken should hold his head as soon as he hears Laura story. Maybe Logan's family should go see family counseling. Should probably be someone they can't hack apart though. Ah hell, just send 'em all out camping. Ether they'll kill each other, or they won't.
Family counseling you say? Someone they can't hack apart you say? Look no further Deadpool merc with a coach is here!
Quote from: Ajax on August 31, 2009, 03:55:32 AM
Quote from: NeoDarke on August 29, 2009, 07:23:59 AM
Quote from: Previsionary on August 29, 2009, 12:14:17 AM
I count Colossus's child!
*wonders what it is about the savage land that makes the "All New" X-men produce spawns they don't know about despite being on said island millions of times...*
And didn't Logan also adopt a kid or something?
Anyway, just read Wolverine: First Class... gotta love how PAD digs at all the people that download Wolverine Origins before it was done. That's so him.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_origins.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=origins.jpg)
Pfft! I stopped counting how many kids, mostly girls for some reason, Logan has adopted. Though I still think Daken should hold his head as soon as he hears Laura story. Maybe Logan's family should go see family counseling. Should probably be someone they can't hack apart though. Ah hell, just send 'em all out camping. Ether they'll kill each other, or they won't.
Family counseling you say? Someone they can't hack apart you say? Look no further Deadpool merc with a coach is here!
No, sadly, I believe Daken can hurt the Merc with the Mouth now. :( Nice try though, gold star. :thumbup:
Quote from: marhawkman on August 30, 2009, 08:27:48 PM
Here's a spoilerific summary: http://uncannyxmen.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6224
Thank you, Marhawkman....That website banner made me very sad, though....I miss Alpha Flight soooooooooo bad.
Dana
Ugh...
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I flipping hate Michael Pointer even more now...He's just a flipping mutant vampire and he doesn't seem to give a fig about draining others...They should just make him totally a villain. I know he survives this crosover with the X-Men...But I just wish that Wolvie would gut Pointer for killing Mac and Heather (they were like Logan's family for pete's sake!).
Thank Dog, Cloak and Dagger left "Dark X-Men"...These two need to be on a hero team.
Dana
Yeah, Pointer seems to have gone completely insane.
New week, new comics, new reviews. Who's up first? If I do review something this week (doubtful), it'll be the final issue of Exiles...
*tear*
Exiles #6: The Finale (3)I really don't have an opening for this review because what is there to really say about a book that was only given 6 issues to shine after a horrible 30 (plus) issue + mini Claremont run? Not much, right? Well, last issue, the team successfully completed their mission and decided to go back to the Earth of their first mission and really fix it. How well does that go, you ask? Click the looooong spoiler on this Mega issue finale!
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Following the completion of the last mission, the Exiles return to the world where Magneto was king and intend to fix it. How, you ask? By forcing the X-men and the Brotherhood to hate each other by revealing Cyclops is having a psychic affair with Emma. Shocking!
Following the completion of the mission, and the death of Scarlet Witch (Magneto version), the team is sent on vacation. As their time winds down, Forge places a tracking device on Blink's tallus -- without her knowledge -- and the team end up at the Crystal Palace while Morph ends up at their next intended place of business. BP knocks Blink out and the team try to find out the truth behind their situation. It's here that we learn that the Exiles realized Blink was helping Morph and, when Morph and Blink find the team again, they reveal the truth. Not only that, Heather and Nocturne are back on the scene and we learn that Claremont's exiles, minus Psylocke, have been sealed and put in stasis by someone. Morph was the only survivor.
As the original Exiles catch up the New new Exiles on the details behind their current situation, the talus sparks to life and the crystal palace shakes with fury. Parts of the palace begin to take on the form of a large female woman, and the Exiles are eaten and come face to face with... Kang the conquerer! However, this Kang isn't bad, and he explains that he was the reason the Exiles were needed. Blink then realizes that the Exiles were never meant to be returned to their timelines. It's then revealed that the other Exiles that were still active were simply absorbed into the crystal palace because, "staying too long in the eye of time slowly makes you join the structure of the zone--a collective conscious."
After this discussion, the current Exiles look into each of their timeline to see what life is like without them and to see if they can safely return. Each of them learn they can't, although Beast could, but his lover, Wonderman, is dead. FOllowing this conclusion, the Exiles continue to work together to help save the timeline, and the original exiles agree to help training new teams. They also decide, along with klang, that access to the crystal palace should be limited and each of them are granted talluses to help keep Kang free. Anyway, Nocturne replaces Blink and the new team head off onto a mission as Blink prepares to train a new team.
In Wakanda on Earth 9744-what-the-heck-ever, Beast explains that the current truth behind the crystal palace will also change because the timeline acts like a loop. So, the timebroker, bugs, old couple, etc. where all true at one point. As the team begins their mission, we learn that the Wanda that was killed in the beginning of the book was actually Exiles Wanda and Wanda (Magneto) replaced her. The end.
Ummm... I don't know what to say about this book. It didn't have enough issues to come to a proper ending, but I liked seeing Heather and Nocturne again. I wish Tbird was in the book, but at least they mentioned him. I don't know how I feel about the ending to the Claremont Exiles, and I'm still waiting on someone to explain Psylocke's departure more clearly but whatever. I give Jeff props for attempting to explain a lot of stuff in this issue, but I'm sure if I were to think about some of it for more than a moment, it'd cave in on itself. I'm so misplaced on this issue because on one hand, it completed everything it could while giving us A LOT of explanation, but on the other, parts of it felt rushed or convoluted. The info dump section, which was the last half of the book, was a bit boring and edged on the side of difficult to read, but can that really be blamed on Jeff? I could probably spend more time on jumping back and forth on this issue, but
I think I'll just settle on giving this book a 3. It has the humor and style of the origianl 5 issues + some twists and turns, and a whole lot of data dumpage. Also, a character is revealed to be gay, which I find funny, because like the Scott/Jean/Emma section of the book, it too was an allusion to a Morrison storyline. Did I just spoil who it was in the non-spoiler section? Oh well.
*implodes* Urg.... >_< oookay... not a good way to end it.
Guess who's coming back in Necrosha (event) gang... could it be... 616 Blink? Yes, it is.
*sigh*
It's... too soon. AOA Blink just left us again... *disappears via shadows... attacks Canadia*
But this isn't AoA Blink. This is a different person who is probably a bit less.... nice.
I did differentiate between them. If I had a choice between Blinks, I want the one I love... AOA! 616 Blink is actually an old character that wasn't around long enough for many to people to get attached to her (she sacrificed herself for her friends). So, I think it'll be interesting to see how C&C write her in contrast to AoA Blink.
Quote from: Previsionary on September 11, 2009, 10:14:07 PM
I did differentiate between them. If I had a choice between Blinks, I want the one I love... AOA! 616 Blink is actually an old character that wasn't around long enough for many to people to get attached to her (she sacrificed herself for her friends). So, I think it'll be interesting to see how C&C write her in contrast to AoA Blink.
I agree. The only Blink I know and love is AOA and frankly 616 Blink (who I suspected never died) looks like a skanky thrall.
Guess who's getting a New Avenger spinoff title written by Rick Remender according to Wizard Magazine?
Spoiler
Doctor Voodoo
This news does nothing for me, but I figured someone might be interested. :P
Someone like me. I already added this to my pull.
Craig Kyle and Chris Yost X-force interview:
Spoiler
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_x-force.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=x-force.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_xforce2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=xforce2.jpg)
After reading that I wish they were in control of all the X-titles together.
i'm surprised no one is talking about the end of the new thunderbolts
Spoiler
osborne puts a bullet at close range in furys head, $5 it's a duplicate though
Hehe... They're certainly good at what they do.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on September 12, 2009, 07:38:00 PM
i'm surprised no one is talking about the end of the new thunderbolts
Spoiler
osborne puts a bullet at close range in furys head, $5 it's a duplicate though
more than likely.
Spoiler
i wonder why ant-man didn't tip off norman to the ghost helping widow and songbird out. he was tailing them the entire time
Quote from: Previsionary on September 11, 2009, 09:54:23 AM
Guess who's coming back in Necrosha (event) gang... could it be... 616 Blink? Yes, it is.
*sigh*
It's... too soon. AOA Blink just left us again... *disappears via shadows... attacks Canadia*
Bah we've known this since back before Messiah War. People need to look closely at the art...and know her costume...and make the logic jump that's it's 616 Blink instead of AoA Blink...All of which I did.
*Attacks Previsionary with 1000 super missiles*
Quote from: Podmark on September 12, 2009, 11:06:19 PM
*Attacks Previsionary with 1000 super missiles*
*joins in the festivities*
Anyone ever hear about this? (http://www.comicvine.com/news/can-the-x-men-survive-the-return-of-cable/139351/)
"Starting in November, things won't be the same for the X-Men. Marvel has stated that Cable and Hope will complete their journey home. What will their return mean for the rest of mutantkind?
Their story, Cable: The Long Way Home will run as interconnected short stories (appearing as bonus content) in Psylocke #1, Dark X-Men #1, X-Men Legacy #230 and X-Force #22. This is said to be "the most shocking change to the X-Men you can imagine." Will Hope save or damn mutantkind?"
Was at comicvine looking up pics of X-Men and saw this news post, but this is the first I've heard of it. Wondering if it's real.
I think Bishop finally realizes the truth and kills himself.
Quote from: marhawkman on September 13, 2009, 06:16:31 PM
I think Bishop finally realizes the truth and kills himself.
I dont think that is going to happen.
Ok I confirmed it. (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9494.Will_The_X-Men_Survive_Cable~apos~s_Return%3F)
Seems odd to me, shouldn't this be covered in Cable? What have they cancelled it? Anyway I'll get two parts of it at least.
I got the X-Men Legacy Annual today. I guess I should give some Spoiler:
Spoiler
Scott offers Rogue a job training/counselling the students, she's not happy about it but she's considering it. A later scene has her talk to Indra about fighting being against his customs which when you consider the Trance scene last issue pretty much says she'll be great at the job.
Emplate attacks Utopia (BTW I love the whole X-Men nation idea) and the X-Men drive him back. He's looking for Penance to feed on but finds a new meal in the also diamond like Bling who he captures.
There's a backup Gambit story where Scott has sent Remy to destroy the Omega device thing from the the Utopia arc. He fights some guards and one uses telepathy on him and discovers a trigger in his head that transforms Gambit back into Death. Death kills the guard and is able to revert back and the story is called prologue. It reminds me of Angel/Archangel over in X-Force and I think this could be very interesting and I don't even like Black Gambit.
This was a great issue. Fast moving but with lots of the nice character work I expect from Mike Carey especially with Indra and Bling two characters who were pretty spare with personality. And I know next to nothing about Emplate but the issue made him out as a credible threat. This was more of a X-Men issue than a Rogue issue. Notably neither Beast nor the New Mutants appeared but that might mean nothing. The Gambit development really intrigues me. The only thing I wasn't huge on was the main artist Daniel Acuna, not a fan of his - but for the most part it was bad and it has it's own style that I kinda like. I give this a 4.5/5.
Thanks for the sumview, Pod! I'm burnt out/busy, so I won't be doing any for awhile. I'm glad Emplate is back and I HOPE Carey gets a chance to write Monet (not to knock PAD, but he writes her as a 30 year old woman and she's 22 at most) and maybe Jubilee. In fact, with the return of Emplate, I hope her sister(s), Penance, return as well because they both + Emplate basically disappeared after GenX.
It'd be cool but honestly I'm not expecting to see Monet or her sisters. But who knows, I never thought I'd see Black Gambit again and he's in MUA2 :blink:
I'm finally getting around to reading comics from last week (the horror, I know) and I honestly love the Herc recap pages:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_thorislame.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=thorislame.jpg)
If you guys aren't picking up or trading this book, you should really consider it. And Marvel should consider paying me because I pimp out their books (this one in particular) more than they do. Jerks. :P
And the end with Thor in Hercules' skirt/sash outfit was pretty hilarious too.
Yeah, I was kinda surprised by that. but it does explain how Remy went back to his normal self so quickly.
Quote from: marhawkman on September 18, 2009, 01:03:04 AM
Yeah, I was kinda surprised by that. but it does explain how Remy went back to his normal self so quickly.
Yeah I'm kinda happy that Carey decided to follow up on it. The original story may have been less than good but I think Carey can do something worthwhile with it.
Anyone read the thor annual and wanna spill some deets? Calling AA! :P
I can't keep the thread alive myself, gang! Discuss! Bicker! Destroy each other with missiles! Verbally attack Canadians for being Canadian! It's the only way to survive.
Ok, I just finished Dark Reign: YA (#4), and I think I've come to a very solid conclusion about this young superhero team. Nothing can be done with them. Nothing. Ok, calm down, chicos. Let me clarify.
Surprisingly, Marvel is actually trying to show a bit of respect towards the writer that basically created, advanced, and made these little tykes likable. However, as we all know, that came at a price. These kids aren't advancing in any way, shape, or form; we're not getting new outlooks on them; and the team has basically stagnated because no writer has been allowed to really shake things up with them. These kids are cameo and mini-book fillers, and I really think it's hurting them in the long run because eventually, Marvel will be forced to make a decision on the latest crop of teens. Will they allow them to just be cameo fillers until Allen returns (whenever that may be), will they slowly fade into the background never to be seen except for the occasional panel appearance, or will Marvel allow a writer or two to take over their evolution and get them kicking again?
Ultimately, Marvel, for once, is trying to appease the fans as well as Allan by giving us these mini, and pointless, appearances. Unfortunately, I think all it's doing, especially as of late, is making people want the real thing because the minis just aren't appetizing any more. We want the full meal now, and if we can't have that... can we PLEASE have something that's a little more filling to hold us over?
Also, note to Dan, please cut back on the [lackluster] storylines in Mighty Avengers. Thanks. Oh, and Jocasta and Hank. No. Let it go. Thanks again.
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Oh, and the Thor Annual was "Ok" at best. Nothing major, nothing earth shattering... just a story about Thor regaining his confidence after being exiled. It was actually a pretty poor showing for Milligan, i think, if only because it was so bland... especially for an annual issue.
Quote from: Previsionary on September 20, 2009, 05:40:43 PM
Ok, I just finished Dark Reign: YA (#4), and I think I've come to a very solid conclusion about this young superhero team. Nothing can be done with them. Nothing. Ok, calm down, chicos. Let me clarify.
Yeah I think most YA fans know this already. Good news is that Heinberg's story is scheduled for 2010 so if things actually go as planned the YA will finally be allowed to evolve.
Quote from: Podmark on September 20, 2009, 05:45:24 PM
Quote from: Previsionary on September 20, 2009, 05:40:43 PM
Ok, I just finished Dark Reign: YA (#4), and I think I've come to a very solid conclusion about this young superhero team. Nothing can be done with them. Nothing. Ok, calm down, chicos. Let me clarify.
Yeah I think most YA fans know this already. Good news is that Heinberg's story is scheduled for 2010 so if things actually go as planned the YA will finally be allowed to evolve.
Yeah I hear Jim Cheung is actually working on the project now - hence new art from him in the last few months.
You want reviews! You got 'em mister!
First up,
Dark Avengers #9:Spoiler
Now that we've got this whole Utopia x-over behind us, which was silly BTW, we can get back to some good 'ol "Avengers Gone Wild."
So what happens? It starts out with an epic scene of Phobos eating cereal. Phobos questions his father's(Ares) allegiance to Norman Osborne. Ares pretty much responds with "I am daddy, so I am right!" Phobos follows that up with tears.
Phobos then gets picked up by Daisy Johnson and they head over to one of Nick Fury's secret fun houses. Unbeknown to Ms. Johnson, they are being trailed by Ares in his awesome customized Harley Davidson. Did I mention it was awesome? Well it is. Now I know why Phobos and Ares live in a small trashy apartment, Ares spent all his money on the damn bike! God of War and Father of the Year, most people would be happy with just one of those titles, he's got both.
Ares infiltrates the hideout and confronts Fury about his son and admits to his poor fathering abilities. This was actually a great scene, prior to this Ares has always been one dimensional to me. "Look at me, I'm good at war, my axe is from Zeus himself, I think I'll go sharpen it...I want Moonstone to rub her fingers through my hairy chest....blah blah blah." Now, he's an onion with layers and ish, yay!
Sentry's wife shoots him in the face with some sort of awesome(power-wise, not looks) gun. He's laying there dead with no face. It ends with Norman stuck in a high tech Port-A-Podie yelling for help. Crazies always need help wiping.
I liked the issue, it added a lot more to Ares' character and it intertwined with Secret Warriors nicely giving some background on Phobos and why he's with Fury. Also, the small airtime that the other "Avengers" received were very entertaining.
Prev-O-Meter Rating: 4 out of 5I'll add some more throughout the day...maybe.
Yeah, even disregarding the fact that it's filler, I've found the mini to be incredibly meh. It's a shame, because Cornell's Vision issue of the YA Presents mini was really good and created a new status quo for the Vision and Statue (them being an actual couple, and Vision having a human identity named "Jonas"). What made this neat was Heinberg said in a chat with some fans was that there would be a Cassie/Vision/Iron Lad love triangle in his book. Heinberg was just starting to hint at the Cassie/Vision relationship in the third arc of the YA ongoing, so apparently Marvel was willing to actually do things with the characters at the time. But at the moment they apparently don't want to do anything with the characters at the moment. At least the Dark Reign mini makes references to continuity by mentioning that Speed was in jail; something that didn't really come up in the other minis ect.
Quote from: Previsionary on September 17, 2009, 05:50:42 AM
I'm finally getting around to reading comics from last week (the horror, I know) and I honestly love the Herc recap pages:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_thorislame.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=thorislame.jpg)
If you guys aren't picking up or trading this book, you should really consider it. And Marvel should consider paying me because I pimp out their books (this one in particular) more than they do. Jerks. :P
I am actually loving
Incredible Hercules...I started collecting, when Snowbird appeared during Sacred Invasion(Because I'm a big Alpha Flight fan) and I haven't got every issue after that (I also find Amadeus annoying as hell and to me, he comes across as a horrible "Mary Sue" character)...I did pick up some of the latest Thercules issues, though...It's a fun read.
Dana
Gary Stu*. He's not a female!
I tolerate Amadeus much better now than I did when he was introduced ages ago. I think his friendship with Herc (which started with the "Renegades" team in WWH) really helped his character to progress. I don't think he's Gary Stuish at all because he has way too many flaws that others have pointed out to be put in that category. He's arrogant, emotional, and slightly reckless in his actions. He always thinks he's right, and he's not above hurting people to get what he wants, buuuuut the characters have pointed this out to him. To really be a Mary Sue/Gary Stu character, people would have to ignore his vices and Amadeus would have to get everything he went after.
Evengers Assemble!
Clicky Clicky (http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/23848.htm/)
Quote from: The Hitman on September 23, 2009, 02:23:44 PM
Evengers Assemble!
Clicky Clicky (http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/23848.htm/)
When I saw the term
Evengers, I was like, "wait... did my Exiles team become canon and they didn't notify me? Those..."
Anyway, I figured that GotG story would branch out and pretty much take over for awhile... might lead into another meh space event.
Some reviews by me. No spoilers because I'm lazy.
Avengers: The Initiative 28:
Loved this isssue. All kinds of stuff happened, most of it unexpected but not out of nowhere. Lots of New Warriors/Avengers Resistance stuff (Pod loves him the New Warriors). Art is a little hit and miss but overall it came together.
4.5/5 points off for the art.
On a side note I so miss Stefano Caselli. Secret Warriors fans better appreciate what they've got. And artists need to learn to draw Trauma better, he's too cool to not be drawn well.
And on the other side of the scale:
Guardians of the Galaxy 18(? not sure of number)
This issue is spent entirely in the future with the original (future) Guardians and Star-Lord team. There's a twist that I didn't care for and Wes Craig's art isn't working for me here. Sad because I loved the last issue. Kang's up next I think which
2/5
Also Pod is getting excited for Necrosha. To kill time I will resurrect an army of Canadian zombies and attack Previsionary. Brains and nachos for all!
Quote from: Previsionary on June 13, 2009, 07:41:38 PM
Dark X-men/Utopia stuffage from IGN. Take a peak (http://comics.ign.com/articles/994/994530p1.html). Could Emma and Cyclops finally be on their way to real relationship drama? Pfft, probably not.
Remember when I said that? Finally read X-men: The confession... it must be nice to have every adversity in Emma and Scott's relationship solved with no issues whatsoever in one single issue 23 pages in length. I guess I wanted more. I wanted this secret thing to play out more and to affect the characters in a visual way... to change their dynamic more-so than it ever did. It was a nice setup with a lot of potential for that soap opera drama the X-men are known for, and they just let it fall flat. So disappointing to me. It's disturbing that they have Emma and Scott on the same page so very often when Jean (who people consider boring thanks to the 90s tas and select comic storylines) and Scott had more up and downs throughout their 20+ year relationship from the very beginning. I just don't see the depth of Emma and Scott because no one will infuse them with it. Again, disappointing.
If I HAD to rate this issue, it'd be a 1.5... 2 if I was in a particular giving mood. There's no reason for any writer to keep using Fraction's recipe for Emma and Cyclops, and it really hurts me that C&C wrote this issue. This is probably the worse thing I've read from them since... Chris's midquel filler space adventure (issue 4) featuring the space x-men and vulcan. I expected so much more... not a one-shot that was useless in the overall scheme of things.
Quote from: Podmark on September 24, 2009, 03:44:33 AMAlso Pod is getting excited for Necrosha. To kill time I will resurrect an army of Canadian zombies and attack Previsionary. Brains and nachos for all!
Don't forget to dunk the zombies that survive in the fountain of youth. :p
Anyone else completely underwhelmed by the conclusion of 'Old Man Logan?' Yay, a giant-sized, fairly pointless fight scene.
I thought it was awesome, mostly because of the art and the fact that I don't put my expectation levels for Wolverine stories very high. Just some highly detailed hack and slash action. The ending left me wanting Millar to continue this tale. I doubt he will though.
Was just about to post something on it. Seriously, what did you expect was going to happen? Logan sits down and has a beer with Banner? I thought it was pretty good. Fun action packed story that reminded me of Clint Eastwood's nameless gunfighter.
Spoiler
Anybody cringe when he said that he "mated" with his cousin? Explains why some of them looked slightly slackjawed. Also, nice how he mates with Jen and instantly became a redneck. :D
Factor in some things and you can understand his and many others disappointment:
1. This book was uber delayed. Was the final issue worth all that wait? Doesn't seem like it.
2. I assume not everyone just wants a fight for an ending. Funny that. People need to realize that Wolverine isn't just a hack 'n slash character 24/7. Just use "Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk #6" as an example of this. Sure it had hacking, but it also tried to enforce themes and make Wolvie (and Hulk) seem human-esque.
Spoiler
And sorry, but having Hulk eat Wolverine and then having Wolverine burst out his guts is forced to me. That's forcing Banner/Hulk to suspend his knowledge and experience just so he can be beaten a page or two later.
3. General question: Millar gets away with some pretty off-the-wall ideas (and suffers from continuity problems from time to time). Why isn't he as bashed as Loeb? Is it because his writing ability is much better? I mean, I can just imagine all the enmity people would harbor for Loeb if he had wrote this series (and this issue in particular), so I find it a bit odd.
I thought it was a cool idea. But because we live in a "made for TPB" era I thought 2 issues in the middle were just filler. To me this should have been a 3-issue + the over-sized special.
One of the other things that makes it good is the art. Steve McNiven is one of those artists whose art takes precedents over writing from time to time. This last issue was about vengeance, and he pretty much told the tale on his own.
Found these preview pics for Strange Tales #2 on newsarama, they made me chuckle on the inside.
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/StrangeTales_02_Preview1.jpg)(http://i.newsarama.com/images/StrangeTales_02_Preview2.jpg)
I just finished reading Vengeance of the Moon Knight issue 1. Did anyone notice how the costume and bike had a heavy influence of The Dark Knight?
so marvel zombie has finished again and the way this one ended seems to be it for the series(yeah right)
Spoiler
it's been years from the last issue where a zombie world war hulk bit the sentry andearth z is now totally dead
the main zombie council consists of sentry, namor, quicksilver, moonknight, thundra, super skrull and quazar. hank pyms sensors indicate that they have found humans in the savage land they missed. there they find a trap consisting of zombie spider-man, hulk, wolverine and jim rhodes iron man from issue 2.
big zombie fight untill hank pym teleports them all to watchers base on the moon to use the wounded sentry to power the dimensional portal, zombie spider-man reveals his secret weapon, a human sandman who has been injected with the nanites who attack decayed flesh.
all the zombies are killed and the watcher is revealed to be alive claiming as he is a being of energy he can not be eaten or turned, explaining that what has been done can not be undone, but the virus can be contained, so the watcher teleports sentry back in time to original world where the zombie virus outbreak occurred.
it wasn't a bad issue and if this is the end it did wrap the idea up nicely even addressing questions fans had like the sentry's appearance, his hair was burnt when he was on fire when pym trapped him hence the short brown/black instead of the long blonde
4/5 for the issue 3.5/5 for the series the weekly release helped it as you didn't get board as quickly in 5 weeks as you did in 5 months
Thunderbolts #136 ? ?A Tale of too Many Conveniences? (2):
Spoiler
Last issue, Black Widow and Songbird were captured. Also, Nick Fury went down fighting. This issue revolves around Black Widow and Songbird trying to escape their circumstances in high action. Only one problem with this plan? the execution Diggle tried to implement. Every save came so easily and so conveniently that it was hard to stomach after awhile. Take for example a scene where Songbird is about to get her head cut off. What do you think happened? Did she outsmart her capturers? Did Black Widow pull off something fancy? Did Nick Fury pop up and save the day? No. None of that. The team simply turned on each other during a heightened moment. Ok, fine. How about when Songbird and BW are about to explode in a car falling off a cliff? Any fancy thinking on their parts? Nope? Mach 5 conveniently shows up. Stuff like this happens 4-5 more times during the course of the issue. Because of this, this book gets a very low 2 from me. I also wasn?t feeling the cliffhanger. Sorry, Andy.
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Spoiler
Last issue, Wolverine and an Adamantium man got into an all out fight while Maverick found himself caught off guard. This issue finds Wolverine in HAMMER custody. Luckily for him, only one person is there and she knows him and his partner, Maverick (who?s waiting outside). After a brief exchange of words, Wolverine is set free, and he and Maverick converse about the Blackguard situation. The Blackguard is waiting on an oilrig for Wolverine. This being Logan, he eagerly accepts the challenge after making a few stops to prepare. I?ll let you figure out how that all went and leave the last half of the book a mystery. Overall, this issue, and this arc, was a great read. I love Aaron?s take on Wolverine, and I like having Maverick, albeit powerless, back in action. And with Psylocke and Nightcrawler popping up next issue to hopefully do useful things, I can?t see this book failing me anytime soon. 4.
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Also, a spider-man review would occupy this space, but I just didn't have the energy to review it. However, the (sub-) title for the review would probably be "ASM #607 -- "How many sex references can we make in a 3 month period?" or "How to reduce a cat to a one track playmate."
agreed i read the new spidey with one half thinking wow black cat is a tramp, and the other half think peter parker has no right to moan about girlfriend troubles
So my comic shop had a half-off sale this week and I picked up the Utopia story arc. I liked it, it's really good Cyclops story I think, and I'm a fan of the X-Men moving to an island. Also to my surprise I actually like Namor as an X-Men. It's the context really, having a King on your team when you start up your own mutant nation just works. Plus Cyclops, Emma, Namor, Charles, Magneto and Storm in the same room has just got to be good.
I give the complete story a 4/5
Also found this on the CBR board:
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/podmark/SecondComing.jpg)
Presumably it's for the Messiah story conclusion crossover.
Are they finally going to reveal her to be Jean Grey?
Quote from: AfghanAnt on October 12, 2009, 12:42:42 PM
Are they finally going to reveal her to be Jean Grey?
Please we're still 5 years away from that at least.
Is there anyone who thinks she's not Jean Grey at this point?
I'm sure I would care more about Hope if the X-men acted as if she were still important outside of crossovers and certain storylines, and I guess Cable's book being so bad helps with my non-caring. At least she's a teenager (pre-teen?) now, so it's almost over!
Astonishing X-men #31 - "How it takes 22 pages to catch a falling space craft" (2)Spoiler
This issue of X-men was very weak to me. Not only did barely anything happen, but I don't think it needed 22 pages for nothing TO happen. I feel like I'm constantly giving Ellis a chance to entice me... to bring me into his world... but he keeps letting me down, packing my bags, and forcing me out onto the street. Anyway, this issue revolved around Agent Brand going into space with her team and fighting with the Brood for some reason that wasn't revealed in this issue. It's a setup, so no one should be expecting one this soon. During the course of the first few pages, Brand is stuck on her own, her spacecraft encounters problems, and she's left in her escape craft, halfway across the earth (conveniently in San Fran), and heading for a collision course with Mother Earth. It's up to the X-men (mostly Storm, Emma, and Beast with a side of Wolverine and Armor [who I didn't even know was on the ship until she jumped out...] to save the day.) Oddly enough, even though all the Astonishing X-men showed up, this was totally a Emma/Storm/Beast/Brand show. And I'll be mighty happy when Ellis finally gets a lock on Storm and stops making her so eager to please/tease Scott.
At this point, I really think Ellis needs to be dropped from the book. His constant sci-fi (and heavily realistic... as far as one can take that) take on the characters doesn't really fit the X-men. IIRC, space/science + X-men = disliked by most X-fans. Now, if Ellis was doing... Fan 4, I'd jump on it because it fits his elements a heckuva lot better than Astonishing. Oh, hey... give Ellis a book with the X-men currently out in space and maybe he can make it work!
Marvel has announced a bunch of stuff for the Diamond Summit.
New Ultimates (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9868.Diamond_Summit_~apos~09~colon~_New_Ultimates) by Jeph Loeb and Frank Cho.
X-Men Second Coming (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9871.Diamond_Summit_~apos~09~colon~_X-Men_-_Second_Coming) a crossover of Uncanny X-Men, X-Force, New Mutants, and X-Men: Legacy.
Ultimate X (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9874.Diamond_Summit_~apos~09~colon~_Ultimate_X) by Jeph Loeb and Arthur Adams.
Doomwar (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9867.Diamond_Summit_~apos~09~colon~_Doomwar) by Jonathan Maberry.
Siege (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9872.Diamond_Summit_~apos~09~colon~_Siege) by Brian Bendis and Olivier Coipel.
How does Jeph Loeb keep getting work?
Quote from: Talavar on October 13, 2009, 03:50:35 AM
How does Jeph Loeb keep getting work?
By being one of the top selling writers every month.
It's crazy, but true.
Anywho, I'm actually looking forward to Siege. Possibly Doomwar too if a certain someone isn't writing Deadpool's appearances in it. <_<
Quote from: murs47 on October 13, 2009, 04:18:43 AM
It's crazy, but true.
Anywho, I'm actually looking forward to Siege. Possibly Doomwar too if a certain someone isn't writing Deadpool's appearances in it. <_<
I'm not really a Bendis fan but Siege is interesting me too. Second Coming is the one that interests me most though.
Murs, Doomwar seems to be a single 5 issue mini, so Deadpool will presumably only be written by Maberry.
Ultimate X by Loeb? Really? The guy that basically removed 80% of the cast gets to write it? Pass. Pod... stop bringing bad news to me. What are you? A harbinger?
*attacks Pod with a bazooka*
Also, he doesn't top the list every month! Red Hulk rarely comes out on time for it to be every month! Maybe every other month... when an event isn't going on. Yeah.
Quote from: Previsionary on October 12, 2009, 07:55:39 PM
I'm sure I would care more about Hope if the X-men acted as if she were still important outside of crossovers and certain storylines, and I guess Cable's book being so bad helps with my non-caring. At least she's a teenager (pre-teen?) now, so it's almost over!
Astonishing X-men #31 - "How it takes 22 pages to catch a falling space craft" (2)
Spoiler
This issue of X-men was very weak to me. Not only did barely anything happen, but I don't think it needed 22 pages for nothing TO happen. I feel like I'm constantly giving Ellis a chance to entice me... to bring me into his world... but he keeps letting me down, packing my bags, and forcing me out onto the street. Anyway, this issue revolved around Agent Brand going into space with her team and fighting with the Brood for some reason that wasn't revealed in this issue. It's a setup, so no one should be expecting one this soon. During the course of the first few pages, Brand is stuck on her own, her spacecraft encounters problems, and she's left in her escape craft, halfway across the earth (conveniently in San Fran), and heading for a collision course with Mother Earth. It's up to the X-men (mostly Storm, Emma, and Beast with a side of Wolverine and Armor [who I didn't even know was on the ship until she jumped out...] to save the day.) Oddly enough, even though all the Astonishing X-men showed up, this was totally a Emma/Storm/Beast/Brand show. And I'll be mighty happy when Ellis finally gets a lock on Storm and stops making her so eager to please/tease Scott.
At this point, I really think Ellis needs to be dropped from the book. His constant sci-fi (and heavily realistic... as far as one can take that) take on the characters doesn't really fit the X-men. IIRC, space/science + X-men = disliked by most X-fans. Now, if Ellis was doing... Fan 4, I'd jump on it because it fits his elements a heckuva lot better than Astonishing. Oh, hey... give Ellis a book with the X-men currently out in space and maybe he can make it work!
But the art was astonishing, Prev!
Also there is a link to the promo trailer for the SIEGE (http://afghanant.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/the-siege-promo-trailer/)
seriously i look at my shelves and one has the whole line of ult spidey,x-men and ultimates. and i think how in the hell do you take one of the biggest success's and turn it into pure 100% bullcrap
Ultimates was good at some point?
Anyways, I read the latest F4 and..... teh weirdness. On a highnote it gave me a reason to get out my Skrull Language translator: http://marhawkman.deviantart.com/gallery/
On a low note.... the council of Reeds is starting to get a bit old. They really act like they think they CAN fix everything that's wrong in the Multiverse (Hello Exiles!)
On a weird note, the Celestials stop by for a visit. :)
Quote from: marhawkman on October 13, 2009, 09:09:16 PM
Ultimates was good at some point?
More than good...amazing!
Quotethe council of Reeds is starting to get a bit old
It's only been two issues...lol.
Actually they've had some foreshadowing of this since before Civil War.
Actually, I'm fairly sure the "Council of Reeds" or something very similar to it has already been done in the fan4 core book years earlier (maybe the 90s?). But more than one of Reed can make it seem like it's lasting longer than it actually is. :P.
MURS, DP got a new X-costume in Waypool. You should skin that. You know you miss DP.
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Some very intersting quotes I found on CBR:
Quote from: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23267Bendis' future plans mostly involve death, including the deaths of Luke Cage in "New Avengers" #60 and the Sentry in "Dark Avengers" #13--though his comment that Spider-Woman would die in the fifth issue of her own series made it pretty clear that he was kidding about these plans.
Parker reminded the audience that beyond working on "Agents of Atlas," he'd be taking over the monthly "Thunderbolts" title from newly appointed "Daredevil" writer Andy Diggle.
Sankovitch, the only non-writer on the panel, stressed that readers should look into two of the books she's currently editing: the "Nomad: Girl Without a World" miniseries written by Sean McKeever, and the upcoming "Strange" by Mark Waid and Emma Rios. "These are some of the most beautiful pages I've seen in a long time," she said of Stephen Strange's upcoming miniseries. "If you love Dr. Strange and need some Dr. Strange loving, this is the book for you."
Aaron revealed that "Wolverine: Weapon X" would introduce a new villain in an upcoming arc that is essentially Wolverine's version of the Joker, "in that he likes to cut people's brains out and do weird things with them." He also promoted his upcoming work on "PunisherMAX" alongside artist Steve Dillon.
Color me intrigued, Marvel.
They better not kill Luke Cage.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on October 14, 2009, 12:35:41 AM
They better not kill Luke Cage.
I don't believe it for a moment. Maybe if Bendis was getting ready to quit Avengers...and Marvel in general.
Quote from: murs47 on October 13, 2009, 09:30:22 PM
Quote from: marhawkman on October 13, 2009, 09:09:16 PM
Ultimates was good at some point?
More than good...amazing!
I second that. Ultimates by Miller is awesome. If any book was the black sheep of the family (of the books mentioned by TUE), it was Ultimate X-Men. It started out decent, but the quality dipped due to repeatedly changing writers. Can't comment on Ultimate FF though.
Did anyone watch the Siege trailer that was shown at Baltimore? It ends with a shot of a Cap/Iron Man/Thor statue marked with a birth and death date: "1963-2010". Implying that the trio are going to die in the storyline. Comics are known for misdirection though, and this kinda reeks of it. But I sure hope they don't kill them. Cap and Thor just came back. Killing them again would be...lame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJsXuWWf-wQ& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJsXuWWf-wQ&)
Quote from: Previsionary on October 13, 2009, 10:32:34 PM* If you skin this... I might kill you. Horribly.
I'm sure that if it lasts more than 1 issue it'll get it. :)
Inc. Hercules #136 - "How 'Thorcules vs. Hercuthor' went down dirtily" (4):
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I'm not going to go much into this as this was a 3 part story that alternated with Amadeus Cho's 3 part story as well. Just know it was an awesome conclusion to the storyline. The fight scenes between Herc and Thor was both amusing and mildly funny, and I found it very interesting that Pak/Lente chose to even make Thor humorous in some of his dialogue and actions. I mean, everyone knows Herc is a dirty fighter... but who knew Thor could throw down when he wanted to. If you're still not picking up this series, do yourself a favor and trade it.
Incredible Hercules has been a hard rocking series, who knew? I started reading it on Marvel.com and finally broke down and started picking up issues now that I've got a nearby comic shop. In general I'm catching up with my marvel series, and I'm loving Dark Reign. Pirate copy avengers assemble!
(I'm a little shocked that Taskmaster did not end up being a dark avenger, but that may have been too obvious).
Quote from: lugaru on October 19, 2009, 05:54:10 AM
(I'm a little shocked that Taskmaster did not end up being a dark avenger, but that may have been too obvious).
Taskmaster will become a member of Norman's Cabal in a few months.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23398
yost and kyle are leaving x-force
QQ dew dew mew mew but no pew pew
Quote from: murs47 on October 22, 2009, 02:58:41 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23398
yost and kyle are leaving x-force
QQ dew dew mew mew but no pew pew
Yeah I saw that back when Second Coming was announced. Should have mentioned it.
I'm really disappointed that they're leaving, but I'm still hopeful they'll be doing something else in the X-Verse, maybe Uncanny.
did i miss something the last time i saw sentry
Spoiler
his wife shot him and he died
but in the new dark avengers everyone is fine
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on October 22, 2009, 03:22:43 PM
did i miss something the last time i saw sentry Spoiler
his wife shot him and he died
That is going to be explained in 12.
thats just stupid and confusing
I'm a little confused about it myself and I hope things start to come together because Dark Avengers may be my favorite book right now. I just kind of prefer "characters" over "heroes/villains" and I feel that the book does a great job of giving everyone a voice. I would love to see this sort of thing continue in the marvel universe... basically with your teams of heroes, your teams of villains but at least a couple of teams of villains who pose as heroes, with a light (dark avengers) and darker (thunderbolts) side to it. And it is weird to see Bullseye so much... I've loved the character since I was a teen but he was a rare sighting, now he is one of the most prominent villains in the marvel U and so long as they dont over expose him too much (or give him powers) I'll be real happy.
Also: I like the fact that Marvel is starting to really set up boundaries and roles for their characters, eliminating some redundancy. Each genius kind of has a field now, each sorceror has a domain, each town has a few heroes... it feels more like an ecosystem than a convoluted mess of contrasting themes.
And question: I have not read spiderman in a while despite hearing it is really good again (too many titles too often, I will catch up on Marvel.com eventually) but are they seriosly trying to do the clone thing again? Why!?
Yes... every book under Spider-man's branch right now has done something with the clone saga. Whether it be a re-telling (Ultimate), a continuation (Spider-girl), a "the way it was meant to be" (6 issue mini of Spider-man Clone Saga), or just another storyline (Spider-man: BND). It's clone central up 'n dat joint, yo.
However, my current feelings on Spider-man BND is very mixed. The last few storylines, and months, have reminded me of the "constant web jammings" problem, only this time it's based on "how vulgar we can get" and "how many sex jokes and references can we fit into one issue!" Tis an all ages book last time I checked. It should try to stay in that little area if it's going to continue being marketed in such a way. *shrugs*
Quote from: Previsionary on October 23, 2009, 02:04:42 AM
However, my current feelings on Spider-man BND is very mixed. The last few storylines, and months, have reminded me of the "constant web jammings" problem, only this time it's based on "how vulgar we can get" and "how many sex jokes and references can we fit into one issue!" Tis an all ages book last time I checked. It should try to stay in that little area if it's going to continue being marketed in such a way. *shrugs*
Exactly why they had to lose the marriage to MJ... [sarcasm-on] So they could pursue those
quality storylines and
fresh ideas that they couldn't tell otherwise. [\sarcasm-off]
Has anyone else read the New Mutants/Necrosha preview pages yet?
I thought it was extremely good and seeing how
Spoiler
Doug
sees things was really neat.
Yeah I saw them, and had similar thoughts. I also liked how Xavier was used, except it really hasn't been that long since he's seen most of the New Mutants.
Where can I see this preview?
Quote from: murs47 on October 27, 2009, 04:12:39 AM
Where can I see this preview?
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3661&disp=table
I read about a whole lot of zombies today.
Quote from: Podmark on October 29, 2009, 01:57:30 AM
I read about a whole lot of zombies today.
Oh didja? How was that, Pod? Also... did anyone pick up Red Hulk today? If you did... please tell me Loeb DID NOT kill off She-hulk/Jen and Domino. I could careless about Elektra. She always gets better.
Quote from: Previsionary on October 29, 2009, 02:11:33 AM
Quote from: Podmark on October 29, 2009, 01:57:30 AM
I read about a whole lot of zombies today.
Oh didja? How was that, Pod? Also... did anyone pick up Red Hulk today? If you did... please tell me Loeb DID NOT kill off She-hulk/Jen and Domino. I could careless about Elektra. She always gets better.
Well he can't kill off Domino. She's in X-Force.
Well I'll leave the DC zombies for a different thread. But over at Marvel I'd give the whole X-Force/Necrosha/New Mutants combo a 3.5 maybe a 4 out of 5.
X-Force was pretty good, it's an action X-23 issue and I liked it. However I feel like they could pack a little more into the issue. The non-X-23 stuff is crawling, and it keeps crawling straight into Necrosha. The stuff with Rhane and the Wolf Prince I just have no idea how it's going to be resolving in the remaining issues of the run. There's I believe 6 issues of Necrosha and then we're straight into Second Coming. Anyway I'm really liking Choi's art, he's starting to cut down a bit on making things look too pretty, just a bit but it's a good change.
Necrosha was a solid start but nothing amazing. I kinda wish things would have gone a little further but this is just the prologue. There's a couple of surprises but nothing too shocking yet. The New Mutants story pretty leads straight into New Mutants, while the Legacy story is a little more set up as the Legacy Necrosha issues don't start til December. Crain's art is bogging it down a bit. He captures the mood prefectly but he's soo murky. Some shots are pretty nice, others are ill defined and murky. You can tell he rushes through some stuff. The other two artists were alright. The Legacy one was kinda I dunno grainy.
New Mutants had some cool stuff. The internal dialogue of Cypher is really cool, and I liked how Xavier was used alot. Actually I've read very little with Doug in it but I really liked him here. Not too sure about the rest of the New Mutants - they skirt the line of seeming too immature and reminding us that they're really only in their early 20s. I like Illyana though, she's all dark and creepy with her own goals. Again I wish the plot had moved a little further but honestly you find that in most comics written these days. The art is mediocre. There's potential there but so much of it looks awkward and maybe rushed. Colours aren't helping either, it suffers from the same problem Young X-Men had for all but the last two issues, the colour palette is too pale. It needs colouring more like the Initiative.
Quote from: Previsionary on October 29, 2009, 02:11:33 AM
Quote from: Podmark on October 29, 2009, 01:57:30 AM
I read about a whole lot of zombies today.
Oh didja? How was that, Pod? Also... did anyone pick up Red Hulk today? If you did... please tell me Loeb DID NOT kill off She-hulk/Jen and Domino. I could careless about Elektra. She always gets better.
Dout it as well, either part of the trap or a mistake on the red she hulks part.
Anyone read Punisher: The List #1?
I've never been able to get into mainstream punisher (although LOVE punisher max) and honestly I keep trying and saying "meh".
This time around I loved the art, the story, everything minus the damn outcome:
Spoiler
Daken butchers Frank Castle. I dont mind Daken as a character, especially when he is getting schooled, but I dont think he should have won and no matter what they do with Frank now it will be as silly as angel frank with magic guns. Not that I care too much, since I almost exclusively read MAX, but I picked this up for the art and was hoping it would be a better new direction.
Quote from: lugaru on October 30, 2009, 09:15:13 PM
.. and no matter what they do with Frank now it will be as silly as angel frank with magic guns.
Possibly sillier.
I present... FRANKENCASTLE (http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1256833997)
I am not making this up. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23503)
... I don't know what I find more bizarre... the idea itself or the fact that in that article the writers are acting like this is not only not completely insane. but the natural thing to do with the character.
Quote from: Tomato on October 31, 2009, 04:36:28 AM
... I don't know what I find more bizarre... the idea itself or the fact that in that article the writers are acting like this is not only not completely insane. but the natural thing to do with the character.
They are so matter of fact about it that they pretty much convinced me.
Btw thanks for the links GG, I knew what was going on from the art floating around but reading the issue confirmed my fears. Thank god for Punisher Max...
Punisher has the worst luck. We all need to accept this. I think this will be finely engraved in your heads once "Punisher and Eminem" comes out.
Short reviews to come later... I suppose.
And I thought OMD was bad...
Wait? So Punisher is dead? And he's coming back as Frankenstein??
That's the most bizarre thing I've ever heard!
Is it really so bizarre considering the origins of hundreds of other superheroes? Not that I'm for it, necessarily (though I could care less what happens to the punisher, that guy is a jerk), but it's just not that strange in a world where radioactive spiders, or being caught in the explosion of damn near anything (gamma bomb, "kree device", hot dog stand (it'll happen eventually)) gives you super powers.
Quote from: Previsionary on October 31, 2009, 06:05:45 AM
Punisher has the worst luck. We all need to accept this. I think this will be finely engraved in your heads once "Punisher and Eminem" comes out.
That story was actually available as a digital comic a long time ago. I read it, it wasn't terrible. It wasn't especially great but it wasn't bad. It was a lot like a cop buddy movie, where Eminem was the funny/annoying guy who's for the most part completely useless in a fight.
*sigh* I'm so glad the only Marvel series I read is Captain America. Bru seems to be the only writer they have who isn't insane or on drugs.
Quote from: Zippo on October 31, 2009, 08:31:51 PM
Is it really so bizarre considering the origins of hundreds of other superheroes? Not that I'm for it, necessarily (though I could care less what happens to the punisher, that guy is a jerk), but it's just not that strange in a world where radioactive spiders, or being caught in the explosion of damn near anything (gamma bomb, "kree device", hot dog stand (it'll happen eventually)) gives you super powers.
I'm not a punisher fan by any means, but I think the main problem is that this is a bizzare plot to begin with(even by Marvel standards this is a bit cheesy), and it's being done with a character who is probably the most "real" (in that he has no powers or cool gadgets) and who consequently doesn't exactly lend himself to the bizzareness that you could accept in an FF plot or an X-book.
I still dunno about this whole thing though... A character is revealed to become a monster that close to Halloween? *shrug*
The thing that actually bothers me the most, is that one of my favorite artists, John Romita Jr, had to draw that crap, with Daken killing Frank. Normally I'd be tempted buy anything that JR Jr drew, but wouldn't touch that with a 10' pole.
Quote from: Tomato on November 01, 2009, 05:05:23 AM
Quote from: Zippo on October 31, 2009, 08:31:51 PM
Is it really so bizarre considering the origins of hundreds of other superheroes? Not that I'm for it, necessarily (though I could care less what happens to the punisher, that guy is a jerk), but it's just not that strange in a world where radioactive spiders, or being caught in the explosion of damn near anything (gamma bomb, "kree device", hot dog stand (it'll happen eventually)) gives you super powers.
I'm not a punisher fan by any means, but I think the main problem is that this is a bizzare plot to begin with(even by Marvel standards this is a bit cheesy), and it's being done with a character who is probably the most "real" (in that he has no powers or cool gadgets) and who consequently doesn't exactly lend himself to the bizzareness that you could accept in an FF plot or an X-book.
I still dunno about this whole thing though... A character is revealed to become a monster that close to Halloween? *shrug*
That is pretty much it, if Batman became a vampire in the regular Batman comics which tend to avoid supernatural events, well it would throw everyone off. Same with the punisher, seeing him so severely altered feels wrong in ways that seeing a mutant or superhero does not.
Still for all the people who are not so sure about what the deal with the punisher is I recomend reading "the slavers" from the max line, just pick up some booze to cheer you up after. It is very much frank saying "What I do makes no difference, I'm powerless to change the larger world, but doing awful things to awful people make's me feel better". You know, such as hanging a guy with his own guts.
btw since the punisher is now a "mystic" character something tells me that in 6 issues he will make a deal with mephisto and emerge with his old body, nobody knowing his secret identity... and married to peter parker in a classic mephisto twist.
This is just another example of why the Punisher shouldn't be in the mainstream Marvel universe. He should stay over in MAX land where he belongs.
Punisher, Punisher, blah blah, Punisher.
Podmark, why did you not report that the X-force cover is a clever homage (easter egg) to "The Lost Boys"? Shame on you. But seriously... a review or two later. Maybe. You know how that goes. :P
Hulk 16:
Spoiler
I glanced this book while I bought comics I actually enjoy. I'm not going to rate it for two reasons: 1. I know I'd dislike it based on Loeb's output and 2. I didn't actually read it. However, from what I glanced, this is basically what went down. Red She-hulk randomly shows up and claims she killed elektra and DOmino just before threatening Wolverine. Logan and Red She Hulk go at it just before Punisher intervenes and shoots Logan right up. Archangel breaks into the fight, and everything begins to settle down when a mysterious man intervenes just after R. Shulk and R. Hulk run for safety. The rest of the book focuses on Red Hulk and Red She-hulk as they bond until... a double cross happens and a missing character re-enters the picture. A character with green hair that was betrayed by Osborne. Whoever could it be? Also, no... no indication about whatever happened to Jen, Elektra, or Domino.
:
Spoiler
After the "startling" conclusion of last issue, this issue finds Jamie, Layla, Ruby, and Fitzroy in a fight for their lives against Senile Doom and Evil Jamie from Messiah CompleX's alternate future. During the first few pages, someone is killed. OMGAH. This death sets Ruby off, and she plans to make someone play for her loss. Well, that was the plan... until she lost someone else in a totally different manner. Talk about a bad day for an offspring. Sometime later, Jamie gets into a fight with his evil clone, who boasts that he can kill Jamie at any time. Jamie prime is shot down and is rescured by the future heroes. The fight begins again... or it would if massive sentinals weren't entering the fray. This leads to a pretty significant event that I'll just ignore, but we do find out Layla's true powers in this issue. Let's not kid around, the last half of this book fills in a lot of gaps in regards to Layla in general.
Issue 50 was an ok read for me. I'm glad the time travel stuff is over, and it's nice to see PAD tie up so much history with Layla and Fitzroy. Knowing what Layla's real power is now kinda cements why she'll be out of the picture for a lot of the time, me thinks. The preview for issue 200 kinda intrigues me, but not by much. Hopefully, it'll fully grab my attention again after it almost lost me with the 5 issues of "lost in time." So... 3.5
Yeah, apparently Layla HAD demonsterated her true power before this. Just in a very small way.
Anyone else thinking that this "necrosha" thing is just a pale imitation of "blackest night"? House of ideas my bottom..
Quote from: tommyboy on November 01, 2009, 10:12:17 PM
Anyone else thinking that this "necrosha" thing is just a pale imitation of "blackest night"? House of ideas my bottom..
This has been in works just as long as Blackest Night has been which is at least 20 months.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 01, 2009, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: tommyboy on November 01, 2009, 10:12:17 PM
Anyone else thinking that this "necrosha" thing is just a pale imitation of "blackest night"? House of ideas my bottom..
This has been in works just as long as Blackest Night has been which is at least 20 months.
Ahh...well, a happy coincidence then. Both companies jumping on the zombie bandwagon.
Colour me wrong.
Quote from: tommyboy on November 01, 2009, 11:26:41 PM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 01, 2009, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: tommyboy on November 01, 2009, 10:12:17 PM
Anyone else thinking that this "necrosha" thing is just a pale imitation of "blackest night"? House of ideas my bottom..
This has been in works just as long as Blackest Night has been which is at least 20 months.
Ahh...well, a happy coincidence then. Both companies jumping on the zombie bandwagon.
Colour me wrong.
And that is giving DC the benefit of the doubt and not assuming it is a direct response to Marvel Zombies, one of the most popular series of events in the last few years.
Lugaru has a point, considering Marvel Zombies has had like 5 series in its collection + several one shots since it began in 2007 (with the latest one ending not even a full month ago).
Umm...in my opinion, the (current comic) zombie bandwagon has less to do with marvel's zombie outings, and much more to do with Robert Kirkman's The Walking Dead (and yes, I know Kirkman wrote Marvel Zombies as well. But if his independent series had not been popular, neither company would be thorax deep in the undead right now).
So I'm not giving DC any more credit than Marvel, but I was unaware of how long necrosha had been in planning (due to my colossal disinterest in all things X), hence my original question.
Both companies jumped on the bandwagon. As they both tend to do.
The earliest seed of Necrosha was in New X-Men 32 from November 2006. That issue only sets up the Selene threat and her alliance with Wither. The first seed of the undead aspect was in X-Force 2 from May 2008. Those are publishing dates so the actual plans would be earlier than that.
Black Widow: Deadly Origins (4):
Spoiler
Over the past few years, Black Widow has slowly become one of those characters I truly enjoy reading about. Now that one of my favorite writers has been given a chance to write her, I should love this extremely, right? Well........ you're right. I did love it. I loved the humorous opening between BW and her target. However, this is not just a baseless book about BW and her origins; it's a book that hopes to streamline all those different takes into something that's cohesive while still making use of the present. Despite the humorous, action oriented opening, this book really does have some emotional moments for Natasha and someone from her past pays a price that makes Natasha seek vengeance.
I must say that I find it so refreshing that mainstream companies are still willing to give female characters a shot at maintaining their own books without resorting to gimmicky plots, sexy outfits, or giving them a male counterpart co-star.
Deadpool Teamup 899 (2):
Spoiler
I don't know what it is about Deadpool, but I feel so disconnected from the series. Everything from the overuse of his random personalities that he keeps developing via captions to his lack of supporting cast members leaves me feeling particularly cold towards him. Also, I just can't understand why he needs three series when none of them are particularly strong. Regardless, this book finds DP and Hercules trapped in a maze by one of DP's comedic/mercenary rivals and a foe that manipulates dreams and subconscious images. Did Van Lente succeed where I feel Way fails? Not particularly. Sure, he's a little funnier, but he, too, decided to do what the "Merc w/ a Mouth" writer does and that is to basically copy Way's style instead of using their own. Also, the red headed villain in the book, and his "should-be-dead" sidekick, didn't really stay true to their characters. Other than the plot being incredibly bad and bland, it's ok. Just ok.
Sidenote, if this is a new ongoing series, why in the world would Marvel continue their numbering gimmick? Make sense, Marvel. Also, I'll never forgive you, Van Lente, for making my "Ultimate Trio" script less viable. Bah.
Psylocke #1 (3.5):
Spoiler
Speaking of strong women, this is the Psylocke story that sees Betsy returning Kwannon's body back to Japan after Fraction's BAD/MESSY story of her return. How well does that go for her? Obviously, not well. Before I detail the story, I want to point out that I got a very "Aeon Flux" feeling from the art direction. It's not something I'd normally like in print form, but it kinda works here. Kinda (a few messy spots). Anyway, the story begins with the New X-men kids fighting "Sack." Psylocke and Dazzler interfere and save the day before the real story gets going once Ali reminds Betsy that she needs to bury her old body. Sadly, Psylocke no longer feels a connection to it. Eventually, she and Wolverine hop in the X-jet and head to Japan. After a minor mishaps, Psylocke is well on her way to burying her original body. As she does this, we get some of her much needed, and missing, thoughts that we never recieved from the early 90s. As she's contemplating, Psylocke is attacked by The Hand, and this leads a very impacting scene where Psylocke has her "Kill Bill" moment. The backup strip revolves around Hope. Nothing big at all. It's just there to fill in the missing moments of Cable and Hope's time together after her foster mother died.
As I said in the spoiler section, a lot of the thoughts and developments Yost implemented here should have been done in the 90s. Missed opportunities. I really enjoyed the small amount of time Yost gave to Psylocke's great friendships with Dazzler and Wolverine. Friendship isn't something that's emphasized in X-men these days.
So what did you guys read?
I read
Nova #31.
Spoiler
It had Nova chasing after Darkhawk, who's a fugitive from the Shiar Empire after taking the rap for the death of Lilandra in War of Kings. Nova chases after him on a planet called shard, a mining colony planet, which the Nova corps has evacuated because of a monstrous plant-like creature that comes out of the Fault during the fight. Nova and Darkhawk decide to team up to handle the threat, but a remaining Kree miner finds an amulet just like the one that lets Chris Powell turn into Darkhawk and this turns him into a Raptor. This new Raptor attacks Nova and Nova briefly mistakes him for Darkhawk, leading to yet more fighting between the two, but the fighting is broken off by the new Raptor who attacks them both. The story then cuts away to the Nova Corp's ship, where the Worldmind explains that Nova's life signs have disapeared. This is followed by the planet exploding with Nova and Darkhawk being dead (this being a monthly comic though, and with preview pics for the next issue showing them in it, it's a given they survived, but how is the mystery).
This is a pretty good issue, but not the best the book's been. The major draw to me was the guest appearance of Darkhawk, who I've enjoyed seeing in Marvel's cosmic books lately. On the art front this issue was an improvement over the previous issue (which came out just last week!), which I felt had very rough art (from a different artist). One thing I've always admired about Divito's art is that it is solid and consistent. It rarely dips in quality, and the character's costumes and body proportions don't tend to differ from panel to panel.
I just read X-Factor 50 and what?
Spoiler
PAD has always been hit and miss with me but he really missed it with explaining Layla's powers.
Heh, AA. I think I glossed over it because of all the time travel elements, and just accepted that Layla had a random power and wouldn't be seen very often from that point on. I mean, she did effectively cause her weird nature and lifestyle. Oh, PAD... did you HAVE to use time travel in a story to explain Layla and Fitzroy?
Um... yes? Hello... it's Fitzroy! A mutant whose only power is to make time portals. Of course the story needed to have a temporal paradox tossed in to spice it up.
Uh, hi, Marhawk. Welcome to sarcasm land. But no, he didn't "have" to use time travel to explain Fitzroy. He chose to do so. That's the beauty of being a writer; you have so many creative ways and paths to take to tie up and answer questions. Also, time travel is a sucky plot device. Just sucky. Sucks more than a Paris Hilton song. ^^.
Quote from: Previsionary on November 10, 2009, 08:02:26 PM
Sucks more than a Paris Hilton song. ^^.
She made a song? :mellow:
Quote from: Previsionary on November 10, 2009, 08:02:26 PM
Just sucky. Sucks more than a Paris Hilton song. ^^.
bwahahahahaha ohh you didn't go for the obvious joke awwwwwwwwww :(
I know this interview is a bit old, but I found parts and pieces of it very interesting. If you guys have any interest in the Ultimate Universe or Mark Millar in general, give it a read.
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Read the latest Spider-Man today guest starring Deadpool. Lot of fun, wasn't a fan of the art though. Plus it builds on the Kraven's which is a story I'm really interested in.
Also read X-Force. It was pretty good, mostly a fight issue. Crain was his usual murky self, the low point being a page where I thought Logan was Warpath, the high point being a pretty sweet Banshee splash.
I read that Miller interview. It was very interesting, and gives me stuff to be excited about in Ultimate Avengers. There seems to be pages missing though. I don't agree with him on some of his points though, his his claim that Nazi-themed supervillains are too outdated for viewers to understand or that the ideal amount of time working on a single book is 24 issues.
Punisher Max 75: hope it does not become a collectors issue because my g.f. accidentally messed up the cover by leaving a half eaten apple on it. Great stories though, especially the first (dolls).
Punisher Max #1: A nice retro story tying in the rise of the kingpin with the punisher. The comic seems like a nice marriage between the Marvel Knights cartoon violence and the punisher Max awful consequences. It is not too much of a spoiler to say something really bad but really funny happens to a mobster in a punisher comic.
Daredevil 502: not much to say without spoiling, but let's just say I'm glad my hunch was right. Anyway Matt Murdoch remains one of the most complex heroes out there, and every time his back is pressed to a wall he fights back a little bit harder, this time with an army of evil ninjas.
Anyone read X-force? If so, was I the only one let down by the art because one couldn't make out what was going on in some panels? Also, it hurt me to see one of my fave characters back in this new position, and I think some of my enthusiasm for this arc is dying out. I blame all the other marvel events going on. Yep. :P
Quote from: Silver Shocker on November 12, 2009, 05:43:48 AM
I read that Miller interview. It was very interesting, and gives me stuff to be excited about in Ultimate Avengers. There seems to be pages missing though. I don't agree with him on some of his points though, his his claim that Nazi-themed supervillains are too outdated for viewers to understand or that the ideal amount of time working on a single book is 24 issues.
No pages were missing. It was only 6 pages long before going to the artist.
I read it. No complaints from me, I actually love Crain's art. It gives the book a very grim and gritty look which is fitting.
Read DD and Punishermax as well. Both entertaining reads.
I mentioned X-Force above.
Quote from: Previsionary on November 13, 2009, 01:25:57 AM
No pages were missing. It was only 6 pages long before going to the artist.
Then how come half the pages end mid-sentence, only for the next scan in sequence to be right dam smack in the middle of a completely different sentence about something else?
Quote from: Silver Shocker on November 13, 2009, 04:18:43 AM
Quote from: Previsionary on November 13, 2009, 01:25:57 AM
No pages were missing. It was only 6 pages long before going to the artist.
Then how come half the pages end mid-sentence, only for the next scan in sequence to be right dam smack in the middle of a completely different sentence about something else?
They don't start up in different places. The sentences are just cut weird in the magazine. Example: page one ends with:
"...[A]nd just comes back and he's cleverly manipu-"
and page 2 picks up with:
"lating everything."
But now that I look at it,
one page is missing. My bad. I'll add it into the earlier post.
Double Post:
I finally got around to reading Dark X-men. I'd rate it a 3. Nothing really happened to draw me in and the team is still a huge failure for Osborn, but at this point, that's not surprising. Osborn's teams are all on the verge of self-imploding at this point. Anyway, remember when news came out that Nate Grey was returning? Well... who would have thought that Mystique's "new" human form would play into it? Certainly not I. :P
Oh, this issue came with the second part of the "Hope" backup minis. Again, it's pointless. Everything these backup strips are trying to get across are the same things we learned from the first few issues of Cable. Duane, you have to stop being so repetitive with your Cable storylines. That's your major problem with that book and you're keeping it going in other books. Hopefully, all of this will add up in the end and add new information. Hopefully.
I really reeeeaaaaally hope that Mystique and Normie aren't somehow able to trick Nate into working with them. Being one of the most powerful telepaths to ever exist, there is really no excuse. Norman already has the Sentry as his power player anyway.... Even though everything seems to be pointing in this direction, I'll be pretty miffed if it happens and lasts longer than one or two issues.
Quote from: Previsionary on November 13, 2009, 04:31:20 AM
They don't start up in different places. The sentences are just cut weird in the magazine. Example: page one ends with:
"...[A]nd just comes back and he's cleverly manipu-"
and page 2 picks up with:
"lating everything."
But now that I look at it, one page is missing. My bad. I'll add it into the earlier post.
Page 2 ends with:
"and sort of an old man in a young man's body, isn't..." [talking about Ultimate Cap]
page 3 starts with
"...open it up so you start seeing a bit more about them." [talking about reinventing characters like Ghost Rider and Blade]
The other example I saw was the one where a page starts with Miller talking about Samuel L. Jackson and Nick Fury, but you added the missing page in that case.
No, actually page 2 (which is a double spread) ends with:
"...but then I want to..."
and page 3 opens with:
"open it up so you start seeing...."
Huh. So it is. My mistake then.
I decided to finally give post BND Spider-Man a try with Amazing 612. It was amazing. ^_^
But really, I like this fresh new direction with Electro. I didn't have a clue who some of the other people were like his female roomate(?). But whatever, Electro's part was worth the cover price to me.
Quote from: murs47 on November 23, 2009, 05:14:55 AM
I decided to finally give post BND Spider-Man a try with Amazing 612. It was amazing. ^_^
But really, I like this fresh new direction with Electro. I didn't have a clue who some of the other people were like his female roomate(?). But whatever, Electro's part was worth the cover price to me.
Is Electro still into female shapeshifters who change into Spider-man for sexual encounters?
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 24, 2009, 02:16:20 AM
Quote from: murs47 on November 23, 2009, 05:14:55 AM
I decided to finally give post BND Spider-Man a try with Amazing 612. It was amazing. ^_^
But really, I like this fresh new direction with Electro. I didn't have a clue who some of the other people were like his female roomate(?). But whatever, Electro's part was worth the cover price to me.
Is Electro still into female shapeshifters who change into Spider-man for sexual encounters?
uhmmm....i'm not sure. he didn't display any kind of kinky behavior in the issue.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 24, 2009, 02:16:20 AM
Quote from: murs47 on November 23, 2009, 05:14:55 AM
I decided to finally give post BND Spider-Man a try with Amazing 612. It was amazing. ^_^
But really, I like this fresh new direction with Electro. I didn't have a clue who some of the other people were like his female roomate(?). But whatever, Electro's part was worth the cover price to me.
Is Electro still into female shapeshifters who change into Spider-man for sexual encounters?
lol no it didn't come up. But I was wondering about it. He's clearly shown to be into women in the issue though.
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New series in 2010 called Shield. Seems like it'll be a more expansive Marvels Project, which has been pure gold so far.
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Uncanny #517 (3):
After a very long hiatus, I decided to give this book another chance to see how well Fraction could do with his own plots. This issue is part of the 8 issue long Nation X plot. Did I change my mind about Fraction writing the X-men? Well...
Spoiler
The story for this issue is simple and very one note. Modified Predator Xs have attacked Utopia and the X-men need to defeat them before they are eaten. This battle lasts all issues and a good deal of the X-men get some screen time including Storm, Iceman, Colossus, and Rogue. Surprisingly, Emma and Wolverine didn't get many, if any, action scenes this go round. Although I still don't think Fraction has a good handle on Storm and her dialogue, I really do have to give the man props for using Rogue as a mutant powerhouse similar to how she was used during X-treme when she could channel the powers she absorbed. It was a pretty impressive scene, though I'm aware that he was really pushing it. Yes, I'm avoiding questioning his thinking process for that scene because I find it nice to see Rogue active in battle again. Another thing I have to praise Fraction on is his use of the cuckoos. Why, you ask? For the first time in several years, someone remembered that they had phoenix segments lodged in their crystal hearts, and Fraction released them in this very issue. Is Jean closer to being back now that she's collected five phoenix fragments and will it tie into Messiah Complex pt 3? We'll have to see. All I can say for certain is that I think Fraction is finally moving on the right path despite a few flubs he had in this issue, which mostly revolved around his dialogue choices for several characters.
As for the art, it's Land. You either love it, hate it, or are indifferent to it. Nothing really distracted me this issue about it, but I did detect traces of copy and pasting jobs and maybe some tracing, but eh... everyone should know where they stand when it comes to his art by now. I rate this issue... a 3. I know, surprised me too, but when I compare it to the last book I read (Psylocke's return storyline), this was definitely better. However, I do feel the need to bring this up: what was the point of bringing Dazzler and Northstar into this book if they BARELY do anything... ever? Weakened Magneto, fine... old X-men characters that just fill up backgrounds and say cheesy dialogue from time to time, I can do without.
AA, this is where you come in and tell me how on or off the mark I am. :P
No, your review seems dead on. I really couldn't stand how almost everybody's hair had a wind machine on it and why was Psylocke on the cover if she isn't in the comic? Oddly enough, I thought this is ok but why did nothing these characters say ring true to who they are (especially Magneto)?
I did like the Rogue bit with the NXMers. It reminded me of all the things I liked about Rogue when she as she appeared in the first 12 issues of Xtreme X-Men.
One more thing, where are they getting their food?
I don't think they eat. :P.
If I were to begin questioning things in Fraction's Uncanny, I can only imagine myself hating the book more than I originally did. I mean, I did completely skip over Cyclops' comment about "needing Emma (as the lead psychic)" since the cuckoos were KOed when Xavier and Psylocke (shouldn't she and Wolvie be in Japan?) are on the island with him. Also, I completely ignored the fact that Fraction FORGOT he already had Storm on utopia for an X-meeting... I just assumed she tornado-ported back to Wakanda and then came back for an "epic/corny" entrance like her moment in Astonishing. And I completely ignored that Fraction had Xavier be a whipping dog and take Magneto's position in a fight they already had in Carey's X-men Legacy when Xavier was captured by Exodus. So, I think it was very easy for me to ignore that they don't have food, but I just assume they teleport back into their old base to get what they need for now like they did in Agents of Atlas vs. X-men #1-2.
Obviously, Fraction's run leaves a lot up to the imagination because such frivolous details are just... unnecessary to whatever Nation X seems to be about (I actually don't know what this storyline is supposed to be about because there doesn't seem to be a major thread running through the issues. Just a bunch of small plots under a banner.).
Wow... everything is right in the world again. ^^.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 26, 2009, 08:36:37 AM
One more thing, where are they getting their food?
I think they convinced the Mayor to ship them stuff. Iceman and Storm are handling water.
I don't how I felt about Uncanny. The action was good, but the dialogue was just so darn poor. I think I'm just reading this to see what's up with Magneto in all honesty. But we'll see how long that lasts, I'm not liking Fraction's portrayal of him.
Reading this back to back with Iron Man baffles me. Same writer, but world's apart in terms of quality. I don't get it.
Quote from: murs47 on November 26, 2009, 05:52:46 PM
I don't how I felt about Uncanny. The action was good, but the dialogue was just so darn poor. I think I'm just reading this to see what's up with Magneto in all honesty. But we'll see how long that lasts, I'm not liking Fraction's portrayal of him.
Reading this back to back with Iron Man baffles me. Same writer, but world's apart in terms of quality. I don't get it.
Those are seriously my major complaints with Fraction - why is Iron Man winning awards and simply amazingly thoughtful and X-Men is incredibly (or uncannily) phoned in.
Also I completely forgot Prof X was on the isle. What the frell is Cyclops talking about with Emma when Prof X has been stated time and time again as the world's most powerful telepath? Thank you Prev for helping me realized I need to stop wasting my money on this series and start buying Secret Warriors more religiously.
My guess is that, as they usually come out in the same week, Fraction spends most of his time writing Iron Man, then churns out a script for Uncanny in a single afternoon.
After reading this weeks issues of each series back to back, I have to agree that it's almost unbelievable that they're written by the same person.
It might be that Fraction is more in his element writing Iron Man, or that he's trying (and failing?) to do something different with Uncanny. I don't know I don't buy any Fraction books regularly.
I've read the Order after it was done, it was pretty good; a Young Avengers issue by Fraction which was also good; Uncanny X-Men 500 - probably the worst comic I've ever read; Utopia, the List, and the first issue of Nation X - all of which I liked to varying degrees. Planning to pick up more of the new Uncanny issues next time my shop has a sale. I'm very interested in the current X-direction.
I might have to try his Iron Man one day.
To be fair, X-men 500 wasn't just Fraction's fault. That fell both on Brubaker and Fraction since they both wrote that issue. If I remember the script correctly though, I think Fraction wrote a bit more of it than Brubaker did.
All the issues that you liked, Pod, are the ones I found low to mediocre for different reasons. Out of all of those, I think I liked "The List" the most despite how Fraction wrote Iceman ('can't freeze water without a [weak] psychic named Psylocke'), Namor ('I have no issues killing my [should be still] dead wife and ripping off her head, despite having strong feelings for her), and his constant need to promote his brand of "witty" and "nerdism." Also, I can really do without him constantly ripping on Alpha Flight. Having Cyclops comment on them like he did to Northstar was pretty low. It's not like the majority of that team didn't die in an explosion a year ago marvel time... oh wait! ^_^
But yeah, as I said in the past about both Fraction and Brubaker, team books of the X-men nature just don't seem to suit them. Fraction has the bigger issue of trying to use the whole cast, but only focusing on 5 big dogs the majority of the time while everyone else is repelled into the background. His use of Namor is really jarring to me because he only uses him as a tank that can barely handle his own. In fact, I've noticed that many fans want Namor out of the book, which I was kinda shocked by. I thought it'd be a good move to explore Namor more, but Fraction isn't providing that at the moment.
This leads to my bigger issue with him. Outside of his half thought-out plots, which usually involves some form of contradiction or omission, Fraction just doesn't have a handle on the majority of the characters he's working with. He doesn't really understand the basics of any character on his main "rotating" cast, so I know he doesn't really grasp the depth the majority of those characters have. It comes across very clearly in his writing, and especially in his interviews, that he just doesn't get them and is trying to make pieces fit to his writing as well as he can make them fit. Maybe he'll get better before his next X-event, but he has quite a long way to go, imo. So, in closing, Fraction's X-work (and Thor minis) is sub-par compared to his runs on Ironfist and Ironman.
Speaking of omissions, Pod, you read Utopia in full, no? Did Fraction ever explain what happened to Beast and how all his hair (and his claws) are back in such a short period of time? I thought that was one of the "big" points in that storyline, so I was hoping he eventually got around to explaining it.
Yeah I liked the issues, but I never said they were prefect. Fraction really doesn't get the characters well at all. Nobody is really written that well. I find Mike Carey, and Yost and Kyle vastly superior with characterization than him.
I really like Namor being in the book, but it's all context - I think him being around while the X-Men setup their own island adds more legitimacy to the idea. I don't really have any problem with the way he writes Namor, but I'm hardly a die-hard Namor fan.
Yeah I read the whole Utopia story, and no he never properly explained the Omega Device in the book. The device allowed Michael Pointer to absorb the mutant energy of whoever was sitting in the chair, thus powering up Pointer and subduing the powers of whoever was in the chair and making them feel sick. That much you can tell in the book, but he explained the rest in an interview, the device's effects were just temporary so Beast's fur and claws just grew back in. If you need an explanation of how that happened so fast just remember that the X-Men have three or four healers right now.
Quote from: Podmark on November 27, 2009, 07:13:09 PM
Yeah I liked the issues, but I never said they were prefect. Fraction really doesn't get the characters well at all. Nobody is really written that well. I find Mike Carey, and Yost and Kyle vastly superior with characterization than him.
I really like Namor being in the book, but it's all context - I think him being around while the X-Men setup their own island adds more legitimacy to the idea. I don't really have any problem with the way he writes Namor, but I'm hardly a die-hard Namor fan.
Yeah I read the whole Utopia story, and no he never properly explained the Omega Device in the book. The device allowed Michael Pointer to absorb the mutant energy of whoever was sitting in the chair, thus powering up Pointer and subduing the powers of whoever was in the chair and making them feel sick. That much you can tell in the book, but he explained the rest in an interview, the device's effects were just temporary so Beast's fur and claws just grew back in. If you need an explanation of how that happened so fast just remember that the X-Men have three or four healers right now.
Also wasn't it set up at some point in the way past...around the time that Logan had just been Apoclaypse's Death, that it was revealed that Beast had a healing factor as well and when they went to jail, his fur was removed by the dampening factor of the area but soon afterwards he grew it back. Just thinking out loud.
Healing wouldn't actually affect the speed of hair growth that much, but this is comic book logic, so I'm not going to push it. Actually, I haven't seen any of the X-healers around lately. They always seem to be missing or KOed. But yes, DJ, Beast has a slight healing factor (though it was boosted at one time) that is rarely used or mentioned kinda like his pheromone ability. ^^. Actually, I wouldn't even call it that. It's more of a, "I heal faster than a typical human," type of thing similar to Spider-man at least in how it's been portrayed.
Incredible Herc #138 (3.5):
If you haven't been keeping up with Hercules, then you're missing out. This is the second part of the "Mount on Olympus" storyline that sees Hercules, Hebe, Cho, Athena, Kid-Zeus, New Avengers (Spider-woman I, Spider-man, and Wolverine), and the Mighty Avengers (USAgent, Pym, Jocasta, and Quicksilver) trying to fight off Hera and put an end to her Continuum plan, which basically involves the Gods reclaiming and recreating the Earth in their image. How well does the book work? Well, let's see:
Spoiler
This issue picks up immediately after last issue. There's no setup here, we hit the ground running. After Hercules and Spider-man's little spat over Hebe, the two find themselves working together, along with the other characters I mentioned earlier, preparing for a way to sneak into Hera's sanctum. With the help of Pym's newly created machine that he places on Hebe's head, the whole team is able to see the building's layout and try to figure out what is the best way to enter it. Hebe points out how impossible it'll be and how many defenses Hera has set up. This provides quite a character building scene where USAgent points out that the Gods are just fading beliefs people once had and he doesn't believe in them. Athena sees wisdom in these words, and Cho comes up with a plan to get the team inside. It involves Hebe, a hologram, and, if you know your classic literature, an updated version of the Trojan horse scene from the epic poem Aeneid.
This issue was easily a good 3.5. It had the humor, the character building, and the action that most of the Inc. Hercules issues contain, but it also continues to round out Amadeus Cho and makes Athena even more ambiguous in her morals. Is she a villain or a hero? Personally, I tend to think she's a chaotic neutral type character that likes to keep certain things in her favor. This storyline also has me very interested in what will happen between Amadeus and Herc (who seems to be back in love with Hebe, his wife). Oh, and for you Atlas fans, the team currently is in the Herc book as a backup. Considering Atlas is at the same place as Hercules, I can see them crossing paths sooner rather than later.
Quote from: Previsionary on November 28, 2009, 09:06:00 PM
Healing wouldn't actually affect the speed of hair growth that much
Elixir's ability isn't healing it's biological manipulation. He could restore Beast's hair, and for once Josh is actually conscious - well he was at the time.
From the latest Uncanny preview: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vmizTggXAos/SxGKjHTwHmI/AAAAAAAABV4/d_55zt1tqoM/s1600/UXM518-03.png
Query, when exactly did Emma go from mid-level telepath with the ability to augment her powers with weapons she created to "omega" level? The X-men and their power levels are harder to keep track of than a pair of socks in a dryer... or something much more witty than that. Sorry, off day. :P
harder to keep track of then continuity in a Marvel or DC comic book?
Quote from: Previsionary on December 02, 2009, 01:47:10 AM
From the latest Uncanny preview: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vmizTggXAos/SxGKjHTwHmI/AAAAAAAABV4/d_55zt1tqoM/s1600/UXM518-03.png
Query, when exactly did Emma go from mid-level telepath with the ability to augment her powers with weapons she created to "omega" level? The X-men and their power levels are harder to keep track of than a pair of socks in a dryer... or something much more witty than that. Sorry, off day. :P
Yeah this is bugging a lot of people from what I've seen, me included. I thought Phoenix Endsong went out of it's way to say Emma was not an Omega level?
Part of the problem is that there's never been a clear definition of what Omega class mutants are. I've always used the definition Nunzio DeFilippis and Christina Weir used when they classified Elixir as an Omega. It was something to the extent that an Omega needed to have the potential to have complete control over whatever their power allows them to manipulate. Essentially an Omega at full potential should be able to do anything within the full context of their powers. But even that is kinda vague and could allow mutants to sneak in who don't belong.
Tis true, Omega class is very vague, but it was always my understanding that it wasn't a level of power you could grow into naturally. It was a level that you were inherently born with such as Iceman, Jean, and Xavier. It's a very exclusive class. The only other way to even reach that point is to have your powers augmented to that level via Cortez or Sage. But then again, the X-men around Emma are also being screwed with power wise (Psylocke, Iceman, Rogue), so maybe they're changing the rules albeit quietly?
I just thought that was a level of power writers were vehemently trying to avoid because of all the restrictions it presented. When Jean reached that level, they stopped using her and killed her off. When Psylocke reached that level under Claremont (recently), she started getting beat up all the time and could barely maintain her uber teke powers. If Emma really reaches that level, I can only imagine what'll happen to her when Fraction isn't controlling/writing her. Besides, the real charm of Emma wasn't how strong she was as a TPer, but how she managed to use her powers in unique and manipulative ways (I.E., an extension of her actual personality).
Yeah, Omega level is something you're born with. You don't randomly get upgraded to that level.
Also Xavier, to my knowledge, is not Omega level. The only ones I know of are Jean, Iceman, Elixir, Franklin, Mister M, Vulcan (though I personally dispute this one) and presumably Rachel, Cable and X-Man but I've never seen these three confirmed on panel myself.
Interesting about Xavier. I always assumed he was because of his and others claims that he was "the strongest telepath in the world." And he kept that title even after Jean went Phoenix. Also, his powers came back and were greatly enhanced after he fell in the M'Kraan crystal, so if he wasn't before, he definitely should be one now. Actually, checking wiki, Fraction named him and Emma both Omega telepaths... so I'm now going to ignore it. :P
I'm not saying Xavier isn't for sure, but I've never heard him cited as one. And personally I don't think he qualifies. But I'm also not sure what a telepath needs to be able to do to qualify.
Jean and her offspring I think qualify based on the telepathy/telekinesis combo. If you've read Cable's fight against the Silver Surfer - that was what an Omega should be capable of. Destroying and immediately reassembling not just parts of a space station but the people inside it.
I always figured a mutant designated as an omega class/threat was because they are capable of committing genocide.
I'd heard it was any mutant capable of very precise and widespread matter, energy or reality manipulation. That's why Jean was Omega when she started being able to TK individual molecules, Iceman has the potential for thermodynamic and water manipulation, Elixir can control biological systems on a very precise level, Mister M, X-man/Cable, and Franklin Richards are pretty self explanatory.
People like Xavier, while very powerful, lacked the ability to manipulate matter or energy and were thus exempt from omega status.
Bah, it's too confusing.
You guys are forgetting about one of the most obvious examples, Kid Omega - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Quire
but let's not even get into what the movie franchise declared to be omega level mutants :P
I tend to ignore Quentin because of his role in Endsong and because of his appearances and storylines that happened around a certain story that I hated in New X-men. :P But regardless, wasn't his power, too, jump-started thanks to the booster drug Kick? I don't know how natural his powers were because he overdosed on that stuff and burnt out. Then again, he was revealed to be a future host to the phoenix force as was Vulcan (in a non-canon "what if" where Quentin was also present). At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Quentin popped up again as a major threat sometime down the line. The mansion was destroyed and he was never recovered, right? Maybe then we'll get a clearer answer on him.
Anyway, new week, new comics. Anyone got any reviews (for those that got them today, of course).
The only book I got this week was Nova.
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After the apparent destruction of the planet Shard, Nova and Darkhawk find themselves in Egypt, where they encounter the Sphinx, an old Nova/New Warriors foe. He tells Nova that he must fight a contest of the gods, while Nova notes that he apparently can't detect Darkhawk's presents. Some strange enemies made out of sand, whom the Sphinx calls Djinns, show up, and Nova and Darkhawk fight them off. The Sphinx helps at first, then says that he's disappointed in Nova's performance and disappears. The Djinn's try to rip Darkhawk's amulet out of his armor, and when Nova tries to summon the Worldmind, he finds that he's cut off from it. He explains that without Worldmind to help him control his power, his powers are much more dangerous, and he destroys the enemies with a large blast. After that Nova finds a past version of Reed Richards, who'd been whisked away to this time and place. After some exposition, they notice The Fault in the sky. Nova and Darkhawk try to fly towards it, but Nova hits some kind of invisible barrier and goes falling back to the surface. Darkhawk, still in the air, is then attacked by more Djinn. Nova wakes up in a tent, attended to by Richards. Walking out of the tent they discover Black Boltalso from the past, who brings with him a female body wrapped in bandages. After fighting a giant crocodile, Darkhawk returns saying that his claw drone (a device in his armor that turns into a bird) gathered some data on where they are. They discover that they aren't on Earth, but a magical construct made to resemble Egypt. Nova takes this time to unwrap the bandages from the woman who turns out to be Namorita, in her non-blue form.
This wasn't a super exciting issue, mainly because a large number of splash pages and large panels during action sequences made it a fairly short read. It would have been shorter had it not been for the amount of exposition in it. It was still a enjoyable read, and fairly fast pages, but I didn't find the guest stars, save for the one at the end, to be very interesting. In interviews DNA hyped up this storyline by saying it would feel a lot more like Nova's older adventures (pre-Annihilation) and seemed to imply that the New Warriors would be in it, so I do have hopes it will get more interesting as it moves along. I found the art strong, but as I mentioned I find Divito rarely does a poor job. I especially liked the way he drew the Sphinx, particularly in the splash page where he shows up.
Thanks for the review, SS! I'm very interested in the cosmic stories these days, so I hope all these stories play out fairly well while the Earth heroes go through event after event after event with no end in sight.
Meanwhile, Beast is gearing to leave Uncanny soon (next issue in fact), which brings me to this: http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7178&page=19#Item_16
Matt Fraction explains what he meant by Omega Telepath and... it still makes no sense, but OK. Let's just roll with that. Also, apparently Brubaker also called Xavier an Omega in Deadly Genesis, which I don't remember at all. However, I am excited for Jubilee's possible return... SOMEWHERE. Haven't seen her since New Warriors ended. And I want classic, but mature, Jubilee... not the Wondra person she was forced to be. :P
Personally I wouldn't have a problem if Jubilee showed up with her Wondra tech (I assume she still has it - I didn't read the end of New Warriors). I like it when continuity is acknowledged.
Eh, I meant more of her personality during New Warriors, not her costume. She wouldn't be nearly as useful without it, especially since most writers forget her none mutant skills.
Yeah, poor characterization is something I don't mind being ignored.
I kinda run a just the facts system. I like to think of comics continuity, when possible, as the characters' actual history. So stuff that happened did happen, unless proven otherwise.
So...
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...Steve is back. But he's dressed as an agent of SHIELD or something and Bucky is still Cap. Interesting indeed.
know what else is interesting, Murs?
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Norman is losing it more than ever and has resorted to talking to his alter ego, who has informed him that he needs to do something about Thor and the other Asgardians. This leads to Norman calling a meeting between his cabal and turning his back on Namor and Emma. Norman then COMMANDS Doom to hand over Namor. This obviously doesn't go well, but Loki is enjoying every minute. Norman uses his secret weapon on Doom... twice... and it's revealed that Doom is actually a DOOMBOT that was sent as part of a trap. A trap so deadly that it kills several agents and weakens Norman's armor significantly. Norman only survives thanks to Sentry. In the aftermath, Norman ends his alliance with Doom and teams up with Loki to get rid of Thor and the Asgardians by staging an event very similar to the Stanford (Civil War) incident... and that sets up... THE SIEGE!
Know what wasn't so interesting?
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The X-force annual written by Robert Kirkman. Seeing his name on an X-man book will CONTINUE to worry me until he makes up for his Ultimate story. In X-force the annual, Wolverine (and the other X-forcers minus Rahne) raid a Hydra base in an effort to kidnap a general. Why? Because he has a daughter and he's the perfect blood donor for said dying daughter that his EX never told him about. That's the whole story in a nutshell. This issue is also very low on the blood and much brighter than the other 20 issues of X-force, so it's a bit jarring.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_loa.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=loa.jpg)
HOWEVER, the Deadpool story by Yost and Kyle was great. Following up on Way's storyline where he put DP on the X-men, DP is playing around in Loa's room when he hears a cry for help. Coincidentally, it's Loa and she's under attack by some dead acolytes who are looking for the Gray King, aka Magneto. Deadpool leaps into action to save Loa, but tries his "best" not to kill anyone. When he learns the Acolytes can't be killed... he runs off and gets more weapons. 20 minutes later, DP is overwhelmed and Loa comes to his rescue... unfortunately for her. The girl... has "flipped." Or that's ONE side of the story.
I skipped the X-Force Annual, seemed pointless, but the backup looks fun. Might get the issue in a sale one day.
Anybody read the Dark X-men annual?
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Personally, I loved it. Being a big fan of Noh-Varr, this book was a huuuuuuuge relief. When he was put on the dark avengers in the first place people worried that they would mischaracterize him, then he ended up being (seemingly) forgotten about entirely. IMO, this is exactly how Varr should be written. Highly intelligent, but humbled by the fact that he knows nothing about earth and humans, and at the same time a huge badarse who doesn't show any fear when taking on the sentry.
Anyway, I'm excited that it seems to be setting him up for more frequent use, as well as the fact that the good guys finally get some more big guns. Not at all stoked on his new costume though, and slightly worried that he'll abandon his awesome hand-hand abilities in favour of using his new nega-bands.
I think you mean Dark Avengers, no, Zippo (Murs talked about it above)? Marvel boy causes somewhat of a minor split in his fanbase. People that like his initial characterization under Grant don't so much care for what he became in normal marvel continuity via Bendis (and it's never really been a stable characterization until probably recently... and that's not even true because of how different Marvel boy was in Wolverine: The List, which harkened back to Grant's take).
But anyway, I would advise people not to read Dark Avengers Annual until after Captain America Reborn ends. The Annual kinda kills some suspense.
I hate Marvel Boy's new costume. Just ugly.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on December 05, 2009, 03:40:54 AM
I hate Marvel Boy's new costume. Just ugly.
ya, the person(s) that approved it at Marvel should be slapped.
Where can I see a picture of this new costume?
Quote from: GhostMachine on December 05, 2009, 11:26:32 AM
Where can I see a picture of this new costume?
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3713/daa101026.jpg - best description I've heard for this costume, "He looks like space ghost if he was redesigned for the DCAU."
Quote from: Previsionary on December 05, 2009, 03:27:50 AM
But anyway, I would advise people not to read Dark Avengers Annual until after Captain America Reborn ends. The Annual kinda kills some suspense.
i've gave up trying to keep stories in order, with this now, and the way dc have blackest night every where. it's not worth the hassle
DC and Marvel are both pushing the 'unbelievable' and 'uncomfortable' envelope for me. Bendis and Johns are getting on my nerves with their 'keep it all in flux for 3 years' storylines.
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As a cap fan, I just want him back already. Bucky's outfit is cool, but come on, Steve an agent of shield? It's almost a USAgent storyline again.
Quote from: Previsionary on December 05, 2009, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on December 05, 2009, 11:26:32 AM
Where can I see a picture of this new costume?
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3713/daa101026.jpg - best description I've heard for this costume, "He looks like space ghost if he was redesigned for the DCAU."
Ugh. It also looks like something that would have been designed in the 90's. With a different mask and belt buckle and a different color scheme it might not look as bad.....but would still suck.
Quote from: udasu on December 05, 2009, 02:39:13 PM
DC and Marvel are both pushing the 'unbelievable' and 'uncomfortable' envelope for me. Bendis and Johns are getting on my nerves with their 'keep it all in flux for 3 years' storylines.
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As a cap fan, I just want him back already. Bucky's outfit is cool, but come on, Steve an agent of shield? It's almost a USAgent storyline again.
Is Reborn over yet? Picked up my comics last week, and the one with the cliffhanger involving the Red Skull
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in Steve's body
was the only issue I got.
(Apologies for the double post)
No, Reborn has one more issue to go. It comes out on Dec. 16th... 2 weeks from now.
Yeah, Reborn probably ends with Cap and Skull duking it out inside Cap's mind for control of the body. Skull loses.... Probably.
10 page preview of Nation X#1 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3982&disp=table) starring Colossus, Wolverine, and Nightcrawler... aka The All New, All Different (and All Male) X-men! Oh, the New new X-men as well. It's sad to say that Magneto hasn't been written in a great light since X-men Legacy... a book many found boring during Xavier's run. It's even sadder to say that Iceman has restarted his ever-lasting loop and has lost all his development from Carey's run... but he is written by Chris Yost, so it can't possibly be that bad, can it?
I just hope that this anthology series fares much better than "Manifest Destiny" did.
not too shabby prev. BTW you can never go wrong with an Allred piece ;)
Hey look on the bright side, this month Legacy starts a new arc with Magneto onboard. Carey written Magneto - yay!
The Nation X preview looked alright...alright I'll admit it I'm just a sucker for the New X-Men. I doubt I'll pick it up but I'm interested with what happens in it.
kinda liked the mag + kids part
I really disliked Iceman's personality in that preview. Especially when he basically tells the New X-Men kids "You suck, you'll be never be as good as me and the 'real X-Men'". Even in Kyle & Yost's run of New X-Men where the X-Men came off as negatively portrayed authority figures with that classic "adults can't do anything right, it's up to us" theme, the senior X-Men weren't INTENTIONALLY antagonistic.
There's a preview of Deadpool: Merc with a Mouth at Marvel.com featuring the debut of Lady Deadpool (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.10573.first_look~colon~_lady_deadpool~apos~s_debut)
That page of Liefeld art is probably some of the best art I've ever seen Liefeld do. It's still undeniably Liefeld and the backgrounds are blatantly photoshopped but it's not nearly as bad as most of the work I've seen by him.
Ugh. DP: merc with a mouth is literally the worst deadpool book on the stands. Even gimmicky DP teamup 898 and 899 are better. But yes... that art is ok for Liefield. He wasn't all too bad in DP 900 either, even though all his trademarks keep showing up such as awkward anatomy/poses.
"Lady Deadpool" - I think I'm gonna be sick. In this day and age isn't it insulting to use women like this?
Lady Deadpool? BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!! That is horrible. Exactly why is Cap fighting them both out above the clouds? When I look at her, I just think of all the other image bad girls he ever drew. It's all of them with just different color pallets. Oh, anybody notice that Cap changes shield arm twice in that?
Yeah, it shows the shield on his left arm in panel 2 and on his right in the rest.
Meh. This would actually look worse I think: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bellechere/4067815442/
And that is a real person in a costume.
Ok, I admit it... Nation X was much better than the previews led me to believe. With that said, it was still completely average and had voice issues. I feel like I'm really losing my connection to all these characters, and it kinda worries me, considering that the X-men are my go-to fave characters the majority of the time.
1. Magneto story (2)
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The New X-men come running to the X-men to warn them that Mercury was kidnapped by a ghost. None of the X-men (Wolverine and Iceman) believe the kids, but Magneto tags along. The New X-men don't completely trust Magneto despite him telling them that they can. In the cave where Mercury was lost, old sentinels attack the kids and Magneto refuses to help... that is until they turn on him. Magneto makes very quick work of the sentinels and discovers what the ghost actually was... an old image recording of him.
2. Nightcrawler and Wolverine (2)
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This story is mostly a major buddy rump. With quick cuts of the two best friends traveling back to San Fran after retrieving a generous donation from someone, the X-buds discuss who's hotter Asian/English Psylocke or Domino, who's Paul Bunyan, and other random stuffage. The meat of the story, and even some humor, comes from the scene where Nightcrawler questions whether or not the X-men are doing the right thing in teaming up with Magneto and living on the island. Wolverine sticks up for Cyclops's decisions and NC wonders if Wolverine has lost his mind.
3. Iceman (2.5)
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In this story, Iceman comes off as a major jerk bag. When Toad and some other random mutants I didn't particularly care about show up asking for some conference time with Scott, Iceman quickly takes care of them by giving them hypothermia. He then spends the rest of his portion pointing out his schedule, which includes picking on Namor, messing with the New X-men, hitting on women, and going to bed. The meat of this story comes from the portion where Iceman meets up with an old female villain named Stinger who wants some reassurance that mutant kind, and Nation X, will be ok. Instead of doing the sensible thing, Iceman makes an inopportune jokes and this leads to Wendy/Stinger running off and kidnapping one of Hank's science clubs friends (Dr. Rao?). During a standoff with Dr. Nemesis, Magma, and Sunspot, Stinger requests that Iceman come to her and bring her the blackbird. Iceman does go to her, but instead of bringing the blackbird, Bobby decides to do the mature thing and reassure the baddy that everyone will be ok. Iceman then reveals that he jokes around because Hank and Scott are doing all the hard work, Warren isn't himself, and Jean is dead. He thinks everyone prefers he lightens the mood rather than admit his true feelings... that maybe this really is the end of days for mutants.
4. Colossus (2)
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This portion is probably the most direct the whole way through because it's a story Colossus has been through at least 5 times now since Kitty has died. Colossus is working on an art project somewhere on Nation X. Moments later, Illyana appears to him and asks for his help. Colossus quickly agrees and finds himself helping the New Mutants learn how to use a tractor. Colossus uses this time to try and reach out to Illyana by constantly referring to their past. This annoys Illyana very much. At the end of the book, Illyana tells Colossus that he needs to let go of the past and work on his present and future before teleporting away. Colossus then looks at his project (a giant X with all the dead X-men's names on it, including Kitty) and comes to agree with Magik.
I know I rated everything a 2, but it really was quite an average read. It's
3-worthy at best when taken as a whole and not individual parts. No story stands out at all as being strong, and you can really tell these are all "missing character beats" that aren't being explored in Uncanny, Astonishing, or Legacy. Honestly, these anthology books for every big change in the X-men universe (2 a year) aren't cutting it because the concepts aren't strong enough. Instead of giving us more insight, it just feels very cookie cutter and a splash back of things readers have already stated. Nothing felt new or intriguing at all, and I'm really tired of Colossus's story now. Speaking of Colossus, I'm fairly sure his tattoo disappeared. I can't say that's a bad thing. Anyway, Jubilee is on the cover for next issue, so I may browse issue 2 for her.
I have a serious problem with the Magento story. I also have an important question (two actually) about the Iceman story.
Magneto:
The X-Men ignore the kids when they say Mercury has gone missing in the caves? So they're not even going to try to find her? (albeit the kids didn't come very believable. "the ghost got her" is something a 4 year old might say, not a teenager). This is exactly the same as when the X-Men brushed off the kids theory about Nimrod and then went off to a wedding when there were terrorists directly targeting the kids, who'd killed more than half of them. In both versions, it wasn't simply a matter of not believing them, it was negligence.
Iceman:
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To Pre, or whoever else has read the story and can shime in:
1. Is Iceman's monologue about his "schedule" in the preview pages something he's saying to himself, or someone else?
2. When Iceman reveals that he's just acting like a jerk, is he telling someone else, or is this a internal monologue?
Iceman:
The parts in captions are to himself. He never lets anyone else know what he really thinks. He just continues the brave/jokey front while actually hating the situation he's in. It kinda contrasts a bit with how Fraction writes him, but not going down that route today... for once. :P
That doesn't make sense though. If the parts in caption boxes are Iceman talking to himself, why is he all like "Life is great, I'm so awesome, I'm gonna hit on the hot girl and give the kids a hard time, and give Namor a hard time, I love myself" and then later on be like "Oh, I don't WANT to act like this, but I have to, it's for everybody's sake". That kinda story kinda falls apart if we already hear what Iceman's thinking in his head, and on the inside he came off just as bad (worse even) than he was outwardly.
[edit: I just wanted to add, I was thinking about it, and I came to a realization. This story would have worked much better as a Hellion story than as an Iceman story. Hellion actually acted like a bully in his early appearances, and even as time went on and he got along better with the other characters he still kept some of his edge. It woulda been more believable than Iceman, whose been shown multiple times to be more mature/nicer than this.]
Let's jump off X-men and go to New Avengers annual for a bit. Did anyone read that? I've heard rumblings that Bendis once again jumped ahead of Captain America Reborn and...
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had Steve, in a maskless Capt costume, appear to the New Avengers after they rescued Clint from Norman.
If that's true, it's worse than the Spider-woman early reveal that Loeb did during Secret Invasion. And I'll just assume this takes place before the big reveal in DA Annual because of Bucky's response.
[edit] Seems Inv. Ironman 21 also spoils Captain America Reborn... ya know, they could've just had the final issue come out a bit earlier instead of having three books with three different timelines basically tell us the outcome.
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So, my makeshift timeline for all of this is shaping out like so: Captain America, Captain America Reborn storyline, NA Annual #3, Iron Man, Dark Avengers, The Siege
Cap Reborn was supposed to be over by now but got an extra issue, and of course you can't rush Bryan Hitch - you're lucky if he runs on time at all.
The real problem is Siege though, as Cap has a core role in it and Marvel didn't want to delay all the many books connected to it.
Seems a bit anticlimactic, but
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At least Cap's back.
Spider-Man is such a ridiculous book. I've been reading some of the issues since BND up to around 570 and I really don't know why, it's in its own class of stupid. I'd really rather instead of 3 issues a month having 1 halfway-decent issue a month. The terrible reboot did offer a great chance to make the book awesome, but they must have found the three worst writers ever. Peter just seems so stupid and annoying. The worst is that they just keep coming up with new villains and it's just agonizingly lame.
Menace *Is a new goblin but I think she's a GIRL? Why not just bring back hobgoblin?
Freak *Is a drug addict who turns into a giant beast from animal DNA or something. Every time he dies he comes back immune to what killed him for example bullets. So he's big and stupid and loves drugs and isn't much of anything else.
Mr. Negative Man * he's literally just a crime boss/charity worker with a photoshop filter and some kind of negative powers that cure cancer?
Overdrive *The worst of the worst. He transforms vehicles into "pimped-out" versions so they grow rockets and stuff to go fast I hate it so much. Why not bring back Rocket Racer? Despite the terrible name, he's a decent villain.
Kraven's daughter * A GIRL version of Kraven who just fails at everything she tries. This issue was especially terrible as Spider-Man gets Daredevil's costume instead of just putting on a ski mask and then leaves her to die at the hands of Rattitude (his name is actually Vermin, but if he had been made by this team of writers, it would have been a GIRL and it would have been named Rattitude).
Jackpot * Not actually a villain, but she's supposed to seem like she's Mary Jane and she talks like Mary Jane, but she's not so its just supposed to be like a tease or something but really makes no sense as to why she acts/looks like Mary Jane. She also serves the same exact same role as Black Cat who is already a girl but they'd probably name her Catastrophe if they'd come up with her.
Screwball * Another GIRL. Her name is kind of gross, but it was in an issue called The Money Shot and her costume looks like a gamete. But I know its supposed to be a baseball. Still, terrible character.
Anti-Venom * Eddie Brock is effected by the negative powers and when Scorpi-Venom touches him, he becomes... Anti-Venom... Honest to god. The best part was I knew exactly what he'd look like. Yup, white costume with black lines. They seriously made a reverse-Venom in a modern comic book and think that's cool.
And yet I still read it, wishing it were halfway decent.
Quote from: BWPS on December 16, 2009, 09:36:06 PM
Spider-Man is such a ridiculous book. I've been reading some of the issues since BND up to around 570 and I really don't know why, it's in its own class of stupid.
...
And yet I still read it, wishing it were halfway decent.
Thus why I preview in the bookstore, decide it's garbage, and resist the impulse to pay for it...
Wow, BWPS... Murs has a habit of calling me critical or stating I have too high of a standard, but you ripped Spidey BND apart much more than I ever have... well, outside of my annoyance with the web shooters constantly jamming in the first few months (and they haven't since), how long it took to finish storylines (not really an issue anymore I hear... but then again, half of the new cast disappeared/stopped being active), and the constant pushing of boundaries (I.E., constant sex talk and scenarios for the past few months, crazy (maybe racist depending on the author) Latina chick, and Peter swearing more than I've ever seen him doing before BND). BWPS... thank you. Now, I can shut Murs up for good. :P
I dunno Prev, BWPS's commentary borders on misogynistic and irrational. I personally enjoyed the aftermath of BND. you can never go wrong with good JR Jr. art!
whats going on with the new avengers and luke cage? i only buy one book and thats THOR. while reading it i saw a advertisement showing luke lying on an operating table? someone please fill me in on that one!
Ugh, New Avengers - a book I wish was good but isn't.
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So, a few issues back the New Avengers got hit by a power dampener - something that not only neutralized the the powers of everyone on the New Avengers and the Dark Avengers (including high technology, super biology & fricking being a deity) - and Luke Cage's heart couldn't take the strain of not having powers for awhile. He needed to get heart surgery, so surrendered himself to Norman Osborne & got the surgery, then the rest of the New Avengers and some helpers rescued him - only for there to be a tracking device implanted near his heart.
thanks for the info! stuff like thats why ive all but quit buying comics. ever since THOR's return, his books have been really good.
Quote from: Previsionary on December 16, 2009, 10:47:36 PM
BWPS... thank you. Now, I can shut Murs up for good. :P
Always trying to censor me...always.
I'm the modern cow-bell, Prev. Accept it
"More Murs."
No we don't need more Murs-bell
Quote from: detourne_me on December 16, 2009, 11:14:11 PM
I dunno Prev, BWPS's commentary borders on misogynistic and irrational. I personally enjoyed the aftermath of BND. you can never go wrong with good JR Jr. art!
Definitely can't complain about the art most of the time though I'd prefer just one artist. And keep in mind I haven't really read many of the issues where Romita was working yet.
Also I don't really buy them, I just read on digital comics.
I enjoy the BND comics, but they do have problems. I love Mr Negative though, and all the Kraven stuff has me very excited. It's an uneven comic I think, but I still like it.
I'm in finals right now so I'm backlogged on comics, but I wanted to point out the new X-Factor Forever mini:
http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.10723.sneak_peek~colon~_x-factor_forever
Series doesn't interest me much but I love the new designs. Very Morrison. I'd probably skin them if I ever found time.
Stop teasing, Pod. We're still waiting on the rest of your X-force skins. :P.
I'm greatly amused that marvel keeps pushing for this "hidden years" type shtick with the first 2 classes of X-men. Despite my love for X-factor vol. 1, I was actually hoping this would tie in more with Alex's team. *shrugs*. Gotta admit the majority of the characters on the [then] revamped X-factor team are pretty underused at the moment.
Quote from: Previsionary on December 17, 2009, 07:56:16 PM
Stop teasing, Pod. We're still waiting on the rest of your X-force skins. :P.
Of course X-Force comes first. Hoping to work on them on the Christmas break.
Quick reviews of stuff I read this week:
X-force #22 (3):
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Um... the artwork was a bit of a miss for me. There was a point in the book where I couldn't actually tell who was talking, and it's a little TOO dark, so I found myself just glimpsing over a lot of it instead of taking in the whole picture. In fact, I just read it and can't tell you any scenes that stuck out to me, and I literally don't remember any backgrounds. Onto the actual story content, it was alright. The thing with Rahne was kind of unexpected and really kinda annoyed me. If this is her big story, then I can completely pass on it. There's not a lot of progression to the actual story (a lot of scenes are fighting based), but there is a bit of intrigue about what's going to happen next, and we do find out that the Decimation had a bigger effect than everyone previously thought. Outside of that and a bunch of twists that tie some other X-force storylines together, the X-men are still regathering and Selene is still trying to collect souls and start her ritual.
The backup script is just Hope and Cable sitting by a campfire. Apparently, this story takes place AFTER Cable #20 and Hope is in her new costume. She's a little tougher than she used to be, and she makes a very Jean/Phoenix statement. Also, phoenix effect appeared in her eye.
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This was pretty good. I loved the scenes between Valeria and the X-factor crew. It's obvious David took full advantage of her new personality and wrote her like he would write Layla... minus some of the weirdness. The book focuses on 3 storylines taking place. I'll comment on them all.
1. Fan 4:
Valeria and Franklin ask X-factor to help them find their mother; she disappeared. No, that's no irony. Anyway, part of X-factor do just that and head back to New York to investigate. Of note here is that Reed seems to be a bit shady, Johnny isn't in the book at all, and Thing, for those that complain about him getting beat up all the time, is beat up and PAD, in Shatterstar's voice, makes it seem like Thing has no type of technique in his fighting (easily ignoring years of his history). Also, Shatterstar makes a snide comment about Thing's non-wedding, though I don't think Shatterstar should actually know anything about that. Bringing up Shatterstar, I really hope PAD doesn't keep pushing Guido's issues with homosexuality down the cliche route. I'd rather not get a "very special issue" comic. Anyway, Jamie suspects something is going on and keeps on the case despite what Reed says.
2. Monet:
Monet has apparently moved with Theresa to Cassidy manor in an effort to help Theresa deal with her issues. Unfortunately, it backfires on her, and Theresa loses more of herself every day. This ultimately leads to Theresa having a one-night stand with an old teammate and lover while Monet goes looking for Jamie to ask for help. While Monet is at X-factor investigation, she receives news from Val Cooper that her father was kidnapped and the terrorists want her to hand herself over to them. After Jamie and the others return to the base, Val and Monet let them know what's up. Jamie assures the others that they'll help Monet when they get more info, but first, they need to continue with the Invisible Woman case. During this sequence, we learn that Layla is actually still around (in Latveria) and she can see Longshot even during his use of psychometry.
3. Theresa:
After her tryst with Deadpool, Theresa goes to her father's grave and attempts to deal with her issues. When Reverend John Maddox arrives on the scene, Theresa instantly goes into a rage and punches him. Once she realizes her mistake, she apologizes. The rest of this story is fairly by the books and deals with themes of religion. Theresa is in pain, so Rev. Maddox helps her and makes her open up and deal. End.
There's a lot going on in the book, and the fan 4 mystery is intriguing. I did find it odd that Johnny was brought up and never mentioned again in the book, and Monet seemed off this issue, but other than that, twas a good read. Also, and it's been awhile, all of X-factor had something to do, and it wasn't just the Maddox show. Tis a big book with quite a few extras, so definitely worth the price if you're interested in this team.
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This issue is kind of a let down after last issue. I can sum up the plot in two sentences. One: Steve is trapped in his mind as Red skull takes over. Two: Bucky and the Avengers try to stop Red Skull and his crew from reaching the president. That's it. Lot of fighting and a lot of head action. Basically, a filler to a storyline that's already over as far as I'm concerned.
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In other news, since I spent so much time on X-based books, I just realized Cable's last arc is going on now before he returns to 616 and we get the next BIG X-event ("Second Coming"... and whatever anthology series that follows it). I can only say two things. They are as follows: "Thank the heavens. I now know the same premise can be used for 24 straight issues before Marvel sees fit to stop it."; "The X-men are becoming too plot-holey, and Bishop needs to go away. Why Forge and not him?!"
I passed on X-Factor this week. I'm just not that interested in the book or the characters anymore.
I REALLY want to know where the Hope story is going.....
As far as Hope goes, my guess is:
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That since she's awakened her powers, and is telekinetic (and likely telepathic, seeing as she's more or less Jean reborn) and the phoenix force has left the cuckoos recently, it's going to pop into Hope when her and Cable show up in the present.
So, who's ready for the DP corps (http://www.comicvine.com/deadpool/29-7606/deadpool-corps-artwork-first-look-at-lady-deadpool/92-416101/) next year? And DP's role in Doomwars? DP = The New Wolverine/Emma.
DP corps is especially interesting as he's found a female version of himself to hangout with.
Eh, I'm thinking female DP is just Dr. Betty... I.E., one of his supporting cast mates in Merc w/ a Mouth.
so who's the kid
Astonishing X-men What If? (3.5):Soooo, if Jean would have been revived instead of Peter in the first arc of Astonishing X-men:
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1. Emma would have succumbed completely to Cassandra and the 3 in 1 would have died while Emma stole their phoenix pieces.
2. Jean would be single, but Cyclops would naturally be attracted to her still. This would make Emma extremely jealous.
3. Emma would have killed Beast, destroyed breakworld (and magic bullet), and attacked the X-men in Phoenix/Cassandra form
4. Cyclops would still attempt to break through to Emma and tell her he loves her (truth according to Emma).
5. Kitty would pull out Emma's heart, which would cause Emma to die. Kitty would then die in an explosion.
6. The Astonishing team would reform with two new members (including Jean) and prepare to take on bigger threats including the Phoenix Force.
7. Cassandra would still be lurking about.
Ignoring the other stories in that "what if," this story was okish, though very quick. A lot of the things revealed later in the run still remained true (Lockheed/Sword, breakworld arc, etc), but it didn't have as much punch. Also, Jean's return was just a giant catalyst that didn't work well for anyone. I did like the exchanged between Emma and Jean though. That particular scene was full of feistiness, and I loved seeing how jealous and easily influenced Emma was once she realized how all the X-men flocked to Jean. This story was bitter sweet for me though. On one hand, I loved seeing Jean back in action and strong enough to handle the phoenix with her basic TP/TK attacks, but on the other, her being back in the fray brought on so many deaths that it wouldn't work out in her favor at all. Bah.
As for the other main story, it too is full of death. In fact, all the x-men died. That would be the result if Ultron had met up with Danger, fell in love with her, and made her understand his way of thinking. I don't have much to say about that story because I barely tolerate Danger and that storyline was a low for Whedon. Overall, I enjoyed the read, so I'll give it a 3.5 for the Jean story alone. And no, this isn't my bias taking over. The Phoenix story just so happens to be the better of the 2 main stories in the book. :P
But honestly, if you're tired of all the Phoenix, Emma vs. Jean, and Danger stuff, then you should skip this book. There's nothing here for you except a blahish backup comic strip.
Captain America: Who Will Wield the Shield? (4):
Even though Reborn STILL isn't over and Steve is appearing in various forms all over marvel, this one-shot by brubaker attempts to answer what Cap is dealing with after the conclusion of Reborn. It's a little odd to get his thoughts on something before the event is even over, but we're way past that point now. The big question post Reborn and Pre-Siege was this: Will Capt wield the shield and mantle in the near future. This one-shot seems to answer that while hinting at events we've still yet to experience. It's very hard to talk about this book without spoiling too much, but I will say it was an enjoyable, low-key read. There's not very much action, but it's the first time in a long while that anyone has gotten into the brains and thoughts of Steve Rogers and where he sees himself headed in the future. If you're a fan of Cap (Steve or Bucky), I recommend you buy or browse this issue.
So who will wield the shield?
Quote from: Podmark on December 25, 2009, 12:49:37 AM
So who will wield the shield?
Buy the book, dannit! So lazy! :P
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Going by Steve's own words to himself and to Obama, he won't be. He's going to let Bucky carry the mantle until he's ready to do it again... if ever. Steve hints that he saw parts of the future and knows that it's essential that Bucky carry the mantle, otherwise he could die. Considering Reborn #6 isn't out yet, we won't know why until January. Fun, fun. Also of interest is the fact that Bucky didn't WANT to carry on the mantle, he only accepted because Steve asked him to do it.
MMK, I'm just now getting around some of the books I have sitting in my "to read" stack. Let's jumpkick this thread back off for tomorrow, shall we?
New Mutants #8 (3):
This issue was relatively simple. Dani and Sunspot attempt to get Amara to safety so that she can be healed and Karma, Sunspot, and Magik attempt to save Cypher. The whole issue is basically a giant fight scene between the Hellions and the New Mutants with very little breaks between them to move the narrative forward. However, Magik and her soul sword do have a prominent part of the story and are used to restore a certain character, or two, that were once "dead."
Of interest to those that care, The Siege #1, which comes out tomorrow, is not getting the greatest reviews. This has me worried that it'll be another Bendis event blunder. Maybe my thoughts will be proven wrong, but I doubt it. :huh:
I read Siege #1
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Not too sure why the Thor beatdown had to happen. Seeing Steve with his fist shaking at the end was cool.
Quote from: udasu on January 07, 2010, 01:56:18 AM
I read Siege #1
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Not too sure why the Thor beatdown had to happen. Seeing Steve with his fist shaking at the end was cool.
Please elaborate you now have my attention.
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Norman, his Avengers, and Initiative invade(illegally) Asgard and beat the snot out of Thor on national television. Steve sees this and shakes his fist at the tube. End.
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wow the coment made it seem like steve somehow beat the crap out of thor and was shaking over what he had done. now I am less intrigued
I got it and I thought it was pretty good. It was surprisingly less talky than Bendis typically is which was a pleasant surprise.
Also the art was fantastic.
The art was good, but I found it blah (overall) myself. Also, Volstagg never appeared again after the beginning DESPITE the "heroes" that kicked off the whole thing, that no one seemed to recognized despite being the official team of that state, iirc, being there. Also, I wasn't fond of the Thor fight. He generally did nothing.
I'm sure that nobody would be surprised that I disliked "Siege" #1.
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It's quibbling slightly to point out that as yet, the term "siege" does not apply. What we have is an attack or an assault, but definitely not a siege. I suppose that could change in coming issues, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, even though they don't actually deserve it.
Next we have the "lets quickly kill 60,000 or so people so we can get this moving". At least "Civil war" had some token scenes of the aftermath and the effect of the tragedy on media coverage and people's opinions. In Siege we get "Boom! Attack Asgard!!". Leaving aside that neither Vector nor X-Ray actually have powers which can cause an explosion killing thousands, and that even if they did, neither could possibly survive such an explosion themselves, it's ludicrous, even by Bendis' standard.
The book manages to be overly talky AND feel like its rushed. Thor is a punching bag who manages to get in one blow before being taken down by by an explosion caused by people standing in the epicenter, all of whom, even DiamondBack, survive, but Thor doesn't. Then Osborne drops Thor with one punch. Cue full page Shakey-Fist Cap. Oooo! What will happen now!?!!1111
The art is OK I guess, a little sketchy and cartoon-y for my tastes, with people in medium shots missing facial features for no good reason, Asgard now looks like DoomStadt crossed with Disneyland Paris (but to be fair, that's how its looked in Thor's new book, so that's consistent with that book, and hey, what did Jack Kirby know about costume design or architectural grandeur anyway?).
In short, for a Big Crossover Universe Changing Event Book, it looks and reads as small and unimpressive.
Everything that happens, as nonsensical and rushed as it is, is just to tick off boxes. We need the US at war with Asgard, so Big Exploasion + Ineffectual President= War. Check. We need Thor out of the way, so lets have him beaten up by Diamondback and the Green Goblin. Check.
Truly, Bendis is the Liefeld of writing. Both have sold comics in vast quantities, so are judged by some as masters of the form. Both will be judged by history as very very lucky men indeed to have been able to parlay less than mediocre abilities into a fortune.
tommyboy, Bendis is NOT the Liefeld of writing. That would be Jeph Loeb. Or maybe Chuck "has no sense of what continuity is" Austen.
I don't like Bendis mainly because his best talent is padding - being able to stretch something that could be done in one or two issues into a 4 to 6 parter. Other than that, he's a decent enough writer, but he's too wordy at times.
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tommyboy, do yourself a favor and go read Bendis' run on Daredevil.
Anyways, I do agree with you on Siege a bit. The aftermath and response(other than Norman's) not being explored of Volstagg's mishap in Chicago bothered me a lot. It loses it's emotional impact because of that.
I think the reason why Thor was so easily beaten is because Mjolnir hasn't been fully restored yet.
Art was pretty good. Funniest cliffhanger ever. It was so corny I el-oh-el'd. I still be picking it up. Things should be getting a lot better.
On the Volstagg front, if you picked up "The Siege: Embedded," it turns out that Volstagg is just walking from Chicago back to Oklahoma and has now joined up with Ben Ulrich and some other journalist on said trip. Ironically, while Norman and his team are out fighting everyone on Asgard, the media/gov't/police just allowed Volstagg to wander from the event with no type of resistance as he tries to turn himself in for judgment. And since this is a big event, you know Ben will be the major character of this book as he once again tries to bring Norman down (and yes, Volstagg told Ben what happened from his POV).
The thing that really concerns me on The Siege front is how easily Norman manipulated and conned everyone into his plan. When you have EVERYONE working for you saying it's a bad idea and it takes less than a page to get them all on your side, it just says "rushed" to me. It really doesn't help that Norman's Dark Reign has done nothing for Norman's character except make him look incompetent, and it didn't help out or redefine Marvel's universe very much at all.
BTW, can anyone inform me as to why Volstagg was in Chicago anyway when he was last seen in town with Thor/Donald?
Quote from: GhostMachine on January 07, 2010, 07:46:55 PM
tommyboy, Bendis is NOT the Liefeld of writing. That would be Jeph Loeb. Or maybe Chuck "has no sense of what continuity is" Austen.
I don't like Bendis mainly because his best talent is padding - being able to stretch something that could be done in one or two issues into a 4 to 6 parter. Other than that, he's a decent enough writer, but he's too wordy at times.
Well, at the risk of beginning a slightly futile argument, I would support my contention and dispute yours as follows:
Chuck Austen has a sense of continuity. During his widely disliked run as Avengers writer, in issue 78 (#493 by the old numbering) he has the Wrecking Crew appear as villains. Thunderball, who has previously been shown to actually be an educated man, (from wikipedia:"Dr. Eliot Franklin was born in Buffalo, New York. He became a brilliant physicist and engineer whose greatest claim to fame was inventing a miniature gamma-ray bomb, something that Dr. Robert Bruce Banner (better known as The Hulk) was unable to do at that time. Dr. Franklin was often called "The Black Bruce Banner" because of his genius-level intellect and his scientific knowledge in the field of gamma radiation.") discusses literature and quotes Frederic Douglass:"Such a worthy woman of letters. It would be a shame to end the life of one so intelligent and well-read". His speech patterns, vocabulary and actions are those of an intelligent, albeit evil man. This is in keeping with previous continuity.
During Thunderball's appearances written by Bendis his dialogue is things like "Dizzy broad" (New Avengers #55), "What the ~@&??" (NA #56), etc in other words, Thunderball is written as if he were a big strong dumb guy. No continuity.
Jeph Loeb appears (to me) to be able to write more than one character, and to actually know the meaning of the words he uses. Bendis does not.
You may dislike their writing intensely, and be able to point to faults in their writing, but I would argue that both Loeb and Austen can spell, have a vocabulary of more than 200 words, understand what a story is, and can tell one.
Bendis, like Liefeld, is highly stylized. You can recognize his verbal tics as easily as Liefeld's missing feet and many many pouches. Like Liefeld he repeats the same few things over and over, and like Liefeld is an astute and rapacious self-publicist. Like Liefeld, Bendis is at the forefront of a "new" movement in mainstream comics and has successfully captured the imagination of a lot of buyers of comics. New Avengers is the X-force/Youngblood of its day, outselling all others, and feted by those for whom sales are the pinnacle of quality. It sells well, but is laughably bad, and is the sort of comic which makes me as an adult once again ashamed to admit to reading comics.
Now, however much one might wish to pursue the argument that there is no bad art or writing, (merely art or writing which is not to ones taste), an inability to master basic human anatomy IS bad art. An inability to write more than ones own voice IS bad writing.
Liefeld is a bad artist, Bendis is a bad writer. If they ever work on a comic together I suspect that would be a portent of the End Of Days, I'm pretty sure they specifically mention it in both Revelations, the writings of Nostrodamus and at the end of the Mayan calender. I would sooner gouge out my eyes than witness such a thing...
Err... I digress a little...
Aaaanyway, he IS the Liefeld of Writers, so there. Ten times anything you say, and no returns.
(And murs, I've read Bendis' Daredevil. It was boring, talky, repetitive, self indulgent and everyone spoke in the same voice. The attempts at legal drama were risible, even for superhero comics. You might as well have told me to do myself a favour and read X-Force for Liefeld's art.)
Um... if I may interject here, I would say that Liefield, having written several horrible horrible comics, is in fact the Liefield of comics. Really Tommy, Whatever you feel about Bendis (which I am not unsympathetic too), at least he's better then Liefield. Give him that much, at least.
Quote from: Tomato on January 08, 2010, 12:13:20 AM
Um... if I may interject here, I would say that Liefield, having written several horrible horrible comics, is in fact the Liefield of comics. Really Tommy, Whatever you feel about Bendis (which I am not unsympathetic too), at least he's better then Liefield. Give him that much, at least.
Nope.
He writes as well as Liefeld draws. I never said he was the Liefeld of comics, but rather asserted that Bendis is the Liefeld of writing.
Of course Liefeld writes badly as well. And of course Bendis draws badly too. Neither writes nor draws well. One is known primarily as a bad artist, the other as a bad writer, both have sold so many comics that I despair.
And that's my annual Bendis rant over. See you next year everybody.
Umm.... have you read Liefelds' writings? He IS the Liefeld of writing.
[edit] Ninja'd. Damn.
Quote from: tommyboy on January 08, 2010, 12:24:18 AM
And that's my annual Bendis rant over. See you next year everybody.
I can't wait! :P
Quote from: murs47 on January 07, 2010, 09:04:22 PM
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tommyboy, do yourself a favor and go read Bendis' run on Daredevil.
And Ultimate Spider Man. ;) :DQuote from: tommyboy on January 07, 2010, 10:25:42 PM
Aaaanyway, he IS the Liefeld of Writers, so there. Ten times anything you say, and no returns.
(And murs, I've read Bendis' Daredevil. It was boring, talky, repetitive, self indulgent and everyone spoke in the same voice. The attempts at legal drama were risible, even for superhero comics. You might as well have told me to do myself a favour and read X-Force for Liefeld's art.)
Eh...I'll disagree with ya there partner but...I whole-hearted respect your opinion. ;)Wrong as you are. :rolleyes: :P
So Iron Man is getting a new armor soon:
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It's alright but I thought the Granov armor was prefect. I'm really quite disappointed that they're moving on from it.
The shoulder separation on the new armor really bugs me.
On Bendis, he definitely has his weaknesses, but he's written stuff I've really liked, and of course stuff I didn't care for. I've enjoyed most of his Ultimate Spider-Man, but haven't really cared for much of his Avengers stuff.
I like it...for the most part but I agree the separation bugs me. For the "gauntlets and boots" as well...it needs to be red in those sections. I also bugged by the "big toe" separation...Ninja Iron Man...that's all we need. I hope that this isn't the final version but the overall thought behind the design I dig. ;)
I like the armour. At least it will be easier to skope then the last few have been. Actually I think I can hear Tommyboy screaming. It has a City Of Heroes feel for some reason.
I haven't been following much Iron Man....is the armor still bonded to him? If so how can it change?
Meh...it looks more like a tight bodysuit Tony would where under his armour...not as his actual armour.
I just feel sorry for the poor SOB who has to draw this design...page after page and panel after panel...for 20+ pages. Don't expect issues of Ironman to come out on a timely fashion anymore.
Gang, here are a couple of prevews/synopses that caught my attention... and not all of them for good reason:
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Also, I'd like to point out the absurdity of how many Marvel events are going on right now.
1. The Siege
2. Realm of Kings (space)
3. Spider-man Gauntlet
4. Doom War
5. Attack on Olympus
6. Fall of Hulks
7. Nation X
8. Necrosha (which seems to have sped by in New Mutants... welcome back, Cypher)
9. Second Coming
Doesn't that seem like a little TOO much to be happening? Every book seems to be tied up in some event to the point of inanity. I disapprove. Also, can anyone let me know what's going on with Red Hulk and the She-Hulks? Will we now be getting 5 Hulk family on-goings (Incredible Hulk, Hulk, Red Hulk, The Savage She-hulks, Skaar) or what?
The mildly ironic bit about the new Iron man suit is the classic mk5 armour was streamlined till they added loads of shoulderpads and flashlights to it. This new one isn't terrible but isn't a great design either. Isn't there a principle that says you should be able to recognize a character in silhouette? And the colour scheme is indistinct and too fiddly. It looks like an MUA2 alternate costume. And unless its what hes wearing in Iron Man 2 the movie, wont it hurt sales a little, too?
I quite like the new armour. I think Tony needs something like this, something a bit more futuristic-looking, a bit more streamlined, so that when he's back in action it's clear that Osborn is/was just a total poser and Stark is the real deal.
Is it just me, or is anyone else wondering how the torso of this new Iron Man armor is supposed to rotate at the waist like a human's would naturally?
The lines would suggest that it could not, unless that metal is flexible. And if it was, why bother with joints at all?
If -I- were Iron Man, I'd be wanting armor that's MORE articulated, not less.
I read this week's Spidey with the new Rhino. I really liked it, it's a great story for the original Rhino. I hadn't read much Joe Kelly before his Spidey tenure but I've really liked his stories.
Thanks for the short review, Pod. Rhino was in Web of Spidey recently as well, and I recall that to be an adequate tale as well.
As for my reads, I checked out X-nation #2. It was average. Art went from great to bleh the further I got into the book. The Jubilee tale didn't really amount to much, though she seems to have taken on her older style and for some reason, Surge has an issue with her. I'm sure I missed something. As for Northstar, his story had less to do with Utopia and more to do with him not operating correctly because he missed his boyfriend.
The other two stories weren't as memorable. One featured Quentine Quire as a super villain vs. Martha Johansson in a game of mind control, and the other one featured Gambit trying to come to terms with his darkside and the fact that Cyclops forgave him.
In other news, Marvels Project #4 is still going strong with this issue revolving around Angel/Thomas Holloway trying to tie up loose ends in his investigation, the official creation and first mission of Captain America, and Nick Fury's adventures in Germany against the Red Skull.
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Thanks for the short review, Pod. Rhino was in Web of Spidey recently as well, and I recall that to be an adequate tale as well.
As for my reads, I checked out X-nation #2. It was average. Art went from great to bleh the further I got into the book. The Jubilee tale didn't really amount to much, though she seems to have taken on her older style and for some reason, Surge has an issue with her. I'm sure I missed something. As for Northstar, his story had less to do with Utopia and more to do with him not operating correctly because he missed his boyfriend.
The other two stories weren't as memorable. One featured Quentine Quire as a super villain vs. Martha Johansson in a game of mind control, and the other one featured Gambit trying to come to terms with his darkside and the fact that Cyclops forgave him.
I thought the Martha Johansson's tales was cute - especially since we never knew she had thoughts (well it was hinted from Ernst btw where is Ernst?).
The Jubilee tale was good until Nori went totally out of character - like totally. Hello David and Danni are still on the island and she is hating on Jubilee? Though upon reading it again (yeah I read comics twice) it seemed more of an Asian thing than a mutant thing (black folks will understand).
The Northstar story was cute but confusing. I thought the Black guy was trying to break up with Jean-Paul but it turns out he doesn't want to be around mutants who are always in danger (completely understandable) but I thought Jean-Paul was adorable in this tale. So gay, so lovable.
Heh, AA. I wish I could enjoy some of the stories like you did. I noted you ignored Gambit altogether. I... don't blame you. ^_^.
Jubilee:
My problem with her tale is that it didn't really develop anyone, so now I have to wait until March to see what Jubes and X-23 have in store. Lame. The Surge thing though... meh. I know she has her little moments where she'll just unjustifiably target someone, but she doesn't even know Jubilee. None of the kids actually know her... so that whole setup was weird to me. I know Jubilee was around the mansion once or twice when they were around, but for the majority of them to like her so much means they had more bonding time than any of us readers are aware of. I'd rather see Jubilee, Emma, and Monet interact again. Imagine the quips, tude, and attempts at being queen "B."
Sidenote: Surge needs to come off it. She's living on an island with "powerless" prostitutes for heaven's sake. And no, I'm not taking shots at Emma.
Martha:
I don't have a problem with this story, I just didn't find it as memorable. I mean, I suspected Quentin would return (I said it a few pages back), but I thought an actual story would be built around him instead of, "I'm back and wanna be bad despite my last few appearances showing me as remorseful and heading towards the good side." It just seemed like a major regression on his part. Also, I thought he and Martha were like best friends at one point? Maybe that's why he chose her, though the ending was kinda... eh? Martha didn't look to be in good shape.
-Sidenote, I found the caption style in that story odd. Martha's box was written in second person, so I was wondering if there was an unnamed narrator telling what she was essentially thinking/doing.
Northstar:
Let me start off with, how should I feel about this story portraying Blindfold about to shoot a basketball at someone lifting weights? :P My issue with this story, other than how badly Northstar and Jean Marie were written, is that it sent very confused messages.
Message 1: "It's OK to bring trouble to your friends (war wolves? they're relevant?) when you're missing your boyfriend, and then you can completely ignore them until said boyfriend leaves. While with your boyfriend, be so dominant that you don't hear a simple request repeated 3 or more times."
And I'm pretty sure arrogant Northstar can fight better than he was portrayed here, but I understand the "War Wolves" weren't the meat of the story.
Message 2: "Be happy to be with your boyfriend, but don't even attempt to be a part of his world. Seriously, outside of maybe a few hours stay, don't try again."
Maybe I'm misinterpreting the intended message, but Kyle was ready to go the second he and Northstar got out of bed. At that point, nothing bad had happened. I understand the need for normalcy, but Kyle/Jean Paul have been together for at least 2 months (dunno how long they were together when Kyle was introduced in Uncanny). Everything around them as a couple just falls flat to me because they have never been built up at all. As a light, fluff tale, I suppose it's fine, but the messages it unintentionally carries bring it down to me.
My ranking: Issue #1 > Martha > Jubilee > Northstar > .... > ... > Gambit.
I hated the Gambit story. The only thing I liked was the art.
So, how is Kitty coming back? You can thank Magneto for doing it as a trust building exercise! Because, obviously, he's been trying so hard to regain the X-men's trust (I think Fraction's overplaying his supposed "Magneto redemption" plot points.).
Quote from: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=24423"The X-Men may not have reacted by thinking, 'He's here. Let's punch him!' But they still don't trust him. So I wanted to build that [trust] by having him give a gift to the X-Men, who are now his people, in the form of Kitty. It felt very right in this weird, full-circle way," Fraction continued. "It brought all these people back and made sense; especially with the way things are with the current 'Nation X' storyline and the emotional and character arcs we've been telling for the past eight months."
Before Fraction implemented his plan to bring Kitty back to the X-Men, he sought out feedback from a fellow creator. "I called Joss Whedon and ran it by him. I enjoyed and respected the job he and John did on 'Astonishing X-Men,' so his approval meant a lot to me. I felt like I was asking if it was okay if I dated his daughter," Fraction joked. "I wanted to make sure that the guy who wrote Kitty's exit approved, and when he said he liked what we wanted to do, it fired me up to do this crazy story."
Kitty's return comes at what seems like a busy time for the X-Men. "Uncanny" #522 is the final installment of the current "Nation X" arc, a story which has found the X-Men dealing with Magneto joining their ranks, the threat of a mysterious new set of enemies and the infrastructure problems stemming from the move to their new island home of Utopia. "Issues #520-521 are kind of the wrap up to 'Nation X,' and #522 serves almost as an epilogue or a coda. Everything but the X-Men and Magneto story is resolved by #522," Fraction explained. "In issues #520-521, the other storylines terminate and everything focuses down to just Magneto and Magneto's return. Magneto problematizes the question of what exactly Utopia is. As 'Nation X' progresses, Magneto will realize that it's going to require deeds, not words, from him. So he decides to present a gift to the X-Men."
I hope this doesn't all end with Magneto having a secret plot and becoming a bad guy again. I like Magneto being a good guy.
The other interesting thing about the article is that it seems to confirm Fraction will be on Uncanny after Second Coming.
I hope there is alwyas an X-Nation book keeping track of other x-characters, but I hope it improves soon.
CBR has the early X-Solicits (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=24440) and our artists for Second Coming are (drum roll):
Uncanny: Terry Dodson
New Mutants: Ibraim Roberson
X-Force: Mike Choi
Legacy: Greg Land
Also X-Factor is tying in.
So somehow Mike Carey drew the short stick. I was hoping Land would be out for this.
Also Cable ends that month as Deadpool and Cable #25, this made me smile a little. Also Deadpool is in at least 5 comics that month - he's giving Wolverine a real run for his money, will it ever end??
Lastly, how did X-Men Forever get up to 22 issues???
Yes, Cable is ending because of Second Coming. X-men Forever will be at issue 22 because it comes out 2 times a month (semi-monthly). It's the ASM of the X-men world... minus an issue.
Also, I find it sad that Greg Land is actually affecting my decision to buy Legacy. I didn't know he would influence my thinking so much in regards to books I considered buying.
AfghanAnt's Quick Dark Avengers #13 Overview:Spoiler
Insanity + Drug Addiction/Secret Serum = God. Or at least this is what Brian Michael Bendis wants us to believe about the Sentry's newest and truest retconned origin story. Like Mose and Jesus before him, Sentry holds the power of the divine and while the Void mentions to Lindy (who's living status is still confusing to me. Is she a construct? Has she been resurrected?) he is "...Galactus...Devourer of Worlds" I'm pretty sure he said this to express to her just how terrifingly powerful he is (as if the power of a million exploding suns wasn't powerful enough). All and all, like more of the Dark Avenger stories, I found this one compelling. Bendis setting up the Void as the Old Testament God (which as a Jew is exciting and insulting) is interesting. It feels like secular comics are finally breaking into Judeo-Christian mythology the same way movies have been doing for ever. I know a few people are going to be annoyed and even insulted that their faith is being presented here as fiction but this is a fictional worlds where Greek and Norse gods walk amongst men. Why can't Jesus (or at least the source of power get the same opportunity? I finished my Dark Avenger #13 rant over at my blog: Dark Avengers #13: Dear Jebus Superhero (http://afghanant.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/jesus-christ-superhero-dark-avengers-13-cbr/)
AA, after reading your blog, I think Bendis has lost his mind. I'm not Jewish, but I'm generally offended by anything that's offensive to Jews given the history of the Jewish people and all they've gone through, and this crap with Sentry also offends me as a non-practicing (ie, I don't attend church, but do believe in God) Christian, for obvious reasons. (I'm Baptist)
I honestly think Judeo-Christian figures making appearances should be a no-no in comics. (Erik Larsen's use of God and the Devil in Savage Dragon made me ill) I like how DC handles things with the Spectre; you know he's the embodiment of the Wrath of God and that the Voice who speaks occasionally is God, but at least they have the sense to not come right out and say it or show God. Of course, I'm sure if there are any people around who still worship the Greek/Roman or Norse gods, they're probably just as offended by their use....
Frankly, I'm hoping Marvel ends up killing Sentry off sometime soon. He was a stupid idea to begin with, and if they can't depower him some and settle on a definitive origin and background for him, he really doesn't need to exist.
I understand how you would think ill of the idea but the whole only these people's religious figures can appear in comic books seems to be a bit of cultural bias.
How many African and Indigenous gods have appeared in the pages of Thor? Tons. How often is Eastern religion and culture bastardized by Western comic writers? Often. Heck, one of Wonder Woman's major love interest was a main god from the world's third largest (and oldest) religion. Religious figures interacting in comics shouldn't call your faith into question anymore than Passion of Christ did to me (sure I feel my religion and people were demonized but what can I do, it's a work of fiction). So saying Jesus is off limit seems like a bit of "we can use your stuff, but you better not use our's".
See what I'm say?
Also how do you feel about characters like Son of Satan, Lilith and Mephisto? Are the enemies of your religion ok to fictionalize but not the heroes?
I agree with AA. We tend to have a bias towards the Big G when it comes to our funny books. He's always off limits. However, everyone else's is fair game? Oh, and I loved the Savage Dragon. Of course Satan cheats. He's Satan!
I'm not going to speak on the religious aspects, as that is a grey area, but I will say that I really dislike Sentry. He's way too inconsistent (reviving people in Dark Avengers but exploding in Dark X-men just because X-man said they were friends?), he hasn't done anything important, and EVERYONE uses him as a glorified bodyguard. Sentry can go sit on an egg all day for all I care; I just don't want to see anything else about him until a new writer takes him on and gives him more of a purpose and direction. Maybe he can meet up with Cyclops and learn how to dispel the Void. Scott did it easily enough. -_-.
Quote from: Previsionary on January 21, 2010, 12:11:51 AM
I'm not going to speak on the religious aspects, as that is a grey area, but I will say that I really dislike Sentry. He's way too inconsistent (reviving people in Dark Avengers but exploding in Dark X-men just because X-man said they were friends?), he hasn't done anything important, and EVERYONE uses him as a glorified bodyguard. Sentry can go sit on an egg all day for all I care; I just don't want to see anything else about him until a new writer takes him on and gives him more of a purpose and direction. Maybe he can meet up with Cyclops and learn how to dispel the Void. Scott did it easily enough. -_-.
I'm actually hoping that this Dark Avengers story and Siege lead to some grand sacrifice. I'm not a Sentry hater (he has a neat design and if his crazy was done right it would be nice) but I would like it if he went far, far away for a long time.
I don't hate the idea of the Sentry, just the execution - especially by Bendis. The character needs to be taken away from him, and used very sparingly for some time.
Not going to comment on the whole Sentry is Jesus thing, I'll need to read more about that, but I have mixed feelings about the Sentry in general. I like that Marvel tried to push a new character - that's usually a plus to me. I've always liked that Bendis takes characters that weren't being used or never really got started and tries to push them back into the spotlight, but I don't always like his portrayal of those characters. My big problem with the Sentry is that he supposedly has the power of one million exploding suns and yet I don't think I've ever seen him beat anyone (granted I don't read Bendis Avengers book with any regularity). The guy is supposed to be so powerful yet most of the time he's the first guy out.
In other news Mysterio got a redesign in the latest Spider-Man. He only had a brief appearance but at the moment I don't like the new design, although the revamped fishbowl is interesting. The issue otherwise was quite enjoyable. Actually the Gauntlet has been pretty decent. It's not exactly senses shattering - but that's probably a good thing.
I always thought The Sentry would work better if they made a new version of The Defenders and had them set up as watchdogs over the Earth in case of major events that would require a more omnihero level of attention. Sentry's base would allow the team to see where they would be most needed and if they were busy then contact a more local hero team in the area to handle things. I figured this would allow heroes like Doctor Strange to work on their own from time to time and Clock would contact him if a major crisis unfolded that required a more magical touch.
As for Sentry's constantly evolving origin.. I'm just enjoying the ride since I do love the concept but having him so inconsistently written (and having his power level bouncing between omniman and godman) and then hardly doing anything worth while in a storyline is bugging me quite often. He either is there to intimidate or take out a threat within a few moments before any real establishment could be made of what his powers are besides flying and being indestructable. I guess I'm with everyone else that Sentry ends up being a key to solving the big Avengers storyline that has been threaded through comics since he was first created and then vanishes once again (waiting for better writers many many many years down the road).
- CQ
At the risk of turning this into a religious debate... (but remember, we're just talking about something Marvel has done... if they bring religion into comics and this is a comics forum...)
If your religion teaches that there is ONE all-powerful God who created ALL other things, who through prophets and holy writings decreed that no other god should be worshipped and that no 'graven image' be created...
...well, wouldn't YOU be offended by some comic-book misrepresentation?
Quote from: BlueBard on January 21, 2010, 03:31:13 PM
At the risk of turning this into a religious debate... (but remember, we're just talking about something Marvel has done... if they bring religion into comics and this is a comics forum...)
If your religion teaches that there is ONE all-powerful God who created ALL other things, who through prophets and holy writings decreed that no other god should be worshipped and that no 'graven image' be created...
...well, wouldn't YOU be offended by some comic-book misrepresentation?
"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them;"
I think God is trying to put the ban on worshipping idols. I'm really hoping that no one starts to worship the fictional Sentry. Of course the beginning of the sentence wording does seem to be against creating any graven images of anything in heaven, on earth, or in the water in which case fake plants and those singing bass fish break the second commandment.
I can still understand someone being offended though, so I don't guess I'm really disagreeing with you. But I don't see anything wrong with the company using Jesus as a comic book character given that they've used almost every other religion's big guys (except Allah of course - some people take "offended" to whole new levels).
Which is why other religions should be just as offended when all their religious figures appear in comics in misrepresented forms. Where's the outrage there? Just another example of the old adage, "it's funny/fine when it's someone else."
But you know what really offends me? This:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_eew.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=eew.jpg)
I'm so friggin offended. SO OFFENDED. I'm writing a letter. Who's in?
I'm in Prem. What's more, while we're at it I'll kick Sentry's butt and end the religious nonsense.
... what? It's not like I'm suggesting me doing something difficult, like fighting Power Pack or Aquaman
I think that the problem here may be less the depiction of a religious figure in a comic, but rather that the Void, an evil, mass murdering entity with no redeeming features, is being identified as the same force as the one which Moses, Jesus et al were connected to. Thor, Hercules etc are generally portrayed as heroic and good. The "evil" members of their respective pantheons are shown as such, or at least there are antagonistic gods.
Bendis could have been trying to imply the Sentry is linked to the Good Deity, and the Void is the Devil/Satan/Manichean Other, but it reads as if the force saving the Israelites is the Void. That makes God Evil, or at the very least Amoral to an almost sociopathic extent.
To me, the whole thing smacks of a bid to court controversy and get attention, which of course is basic marketing these days. And its working, a bit.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on January 20, 2010, 09:09:48 PM
AfghanAnt's Quick Dark Avengers #13 Overview:
Spoiler
Insanity + Drug Addiction/Secret Serum = God. Or at least this is what Brian Michael Bendis wants us to believe about the Sentry's newest and truest retconned origin story. Like Mose and Jesus before him, Sentry holds the power of the divine and while the Void mentions to Lindy (who's living status is still confusing to me. Is she a construct? Has she been resurrected?) he is "...Galactus...Devourer of Worlds" I'm pretty sure he said this to express to her just how terrifingly powerful he is (as if the power of a million exploding suns wasn't powerful enough). All and all, like more of the Dark Avenger stories, I found this one compelling. Bendis setting up the Void as the Old Testament God (which as a Jew is exciting and insulting) is interesting. It feels like secular comics are finally breaking into Judeo-Christian mythology the same way movies have been doing for ever. I know a few people are going to be annoyed and even insulted that their faith is being presented here as fiction but this is a fictional worlds where Greek and Norse gods walk amongst men. Why can't Jesus (or at least the source of power get the same opportunity? I finished my Dark Avenger #13 rant over at my blog: Dark Avengers #13: Dear Jebus Superhero (http://afghanant.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/jesus-christ-superhero-dark-avengers-13-cbr/)
.........................Seriously? That disgusts me. Yeah, color me offended. The Spectre is one thing (and a good use of those concepts), but this is something else. Aligning something with a vague, possibly Judeo-Christian "God" is one thing, but when you bring in Jesus you are crossing a line into something more specific. It is therefore more offensive when you portray it so...callously...for lack of a better term. It's like saying..."people who wear white shirts..." Well, if you have a white shirt, you might take notice, but it is easy enough to ignore. However, if someone points directly at you and says, "YOU! You in the white shirt!" it is a bit harder to ignore.
You've cited examples of Thor and African gods showing up in comics, but Thor worship had pretty much completely died out a few centuries before Stan and Jack brought the God of Thunder into comics. He had no more metaphysical weight than Zeus in the society of the day. The same was true for many of the African gods, those which were actual deities, and not simply made up. (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/liongod.htm). The same goes for the Egyptian gods. I can't remember hearing about anyone worshiping Osiris in the last 500 years or so.
I mean, if you compare this to the use of the Christian God in, say, Sandman, the crass nature of it stands out even more. Sandman used those concepts and mythologies to tell a really compelling story and wrestle with some fairly profound concepts....Marvel grabs onto them as a sales tactic. While I didn't really like what Sandman did with the matter of my faith, it was obvious that Gaiman wasn't taking his subject matter for granted, and I can respect that. I could read and enjoy (some of, not having read all of) those stories.
I sorta' wish I hadn't already quit buying Marvel books, so I could quit all over again. <_<
Fortunately, I feel no compelling urge to burn Bendis at the stake. I'd pray for the sake of his soul if I could work up any strong compassion to do so, but I've got plenty of more relevant things on my mind.
My main concern is for those impressionable minds who might be reading that stuff and getting the wrong ideas.
The Only remedy is still what it's always been... If you don't like it, vote with your wallet. Since I haven't been reading along and don't have a subscription, it's all good. I believe God is capable of handling everything else in His own way.
the whole sentry thing was just meh to me, i finished the book and just thought what the hell was that. i honestly thought hmm seem bendis is going that route huh, i wont say i called it dead on but i did think it was one of the ideas sentry could have been.
dont like sentry and never will. i'm a marvel fan from the time i first picked up a comic but he's the worst superman rip-off yet. as far as GOD and JESUS...lets leave them out of comics. they will end up bendis-ized.
the more i think about it, who says the void is actually god etc. why can't he be marvels spectre instead of vengeance it's death
why can't he be bonded to the angel of death.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on January 22, 2010, 12:17:08 AM
the more i think about it, who says the void is actually god etc. why can't he be marvels spectre instead of vengeance it's death
why can't he be bonded to the angel of death.
I thought of that and if he was the Angel of Death wouldn't it still be insulting to Judeo-Christian belief? The Angel of Death is after all who helped Moses free the Jews - that would make him a central figure to not only Jews but also Christians.
Either way Sentry has been empowered by G-O-D, instead of the various gods that run around Marvel comics currently.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on January 22, 2010, 12:17:08 AM
the more i think about it, who says the void is actually god etc. why can't he be marvels spectre instead of vengeance it's death
why can't he be bonded to the angel of death.
Because:
From Wikipedia
"
? This is what the LORD says: 'About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt?worse than there has ever been or ever will be again. ?
? Exodus 11:4?6
The tenth and final plague of Egypt was the death of all Egyptian first born ? no one escaped, from the lowest servant to Pharaoh's own first-born son, including first-born of livestock. Before the plague, God commanded Moses to inform all the Israelites to mark lamb's blood on the doorposts on every door in which case the LORD (Yahweh in Hebrew, not the angel of death as is commonly thought - see Exodus 12:12-13 and Exodus12:29) will pass over them, thus sparing all the Israelite first-borns. This was the hardest blow upon Egypt and the plague that finally convinced Pharaoh to submit, and let the Israelites go."
So there you have it. It explicitly states that it is God who commands Moses in the scene Bendis shows us, and God who takes the lives of the first born. Not an Angel, but God. And God, in this comic, looks EXACTLY like the Void. Bendis is telling us, or at best strongly suggesting that we should infer, that God = Void. If not, then what is the point of the first two pages? And why have his mouthpiece for this issue, Lindy, spell it out for us?
If it's not the case, and it's yet another fake-out by Bendis, I would not be surprised, but it looks like God = Void to me, based on this comic.
I think what Bendis is suggesting with this comic is some sort of Gnostic relationship, where the Sentry & the Void are two co-equal divine forces, one good and one evil, both basically infinitely powerful. It's not the first time this sort of thing has been suggested in regards to Christianity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism)
I personally don't find this any more offensive than Western comics stealing liberally from everyone else's mythologies; my main objection is that it's not very well done.
As a heathen, I can't wait for Sentry to go on a killing spree that forces the other heroes (gods included) to have to kill him to save the earth.
What?
On a lighter note about the sentry, anybody seen the siege promo art in the back of some comics? I have to say, I REALLY like the way Olivier Coipel draws him. I guess I just like Coipel in general, but the sentry needs some love.
I'd rather they explain it as yet another delusion of Bob's insanity.....
In other news, is anyone reading the 'Fall of the Hulks' nonsense? I've been reading Incredible Hulk since it came back after World War Hulk, but Jeph Loeb & Rulk are my kryptonite, and they seem to be infesting all of the Hulk titles during this event. Incredible Hulk 606 made very little sense to me because I'm not reading the other titles, and I think I'm dropping it until this event is over.
Fall of Hulks and the events in Inc. Hulk 606 are a combination of Hulk, Savage She-Hulk, and Fall of Hulks Gamma and Alpha one-shots. If you're not buying all those things or actively reading spoiler reviews on them, I'd suggest leaving Hulk alone... as I have chosen to do. :P
All you really need to know is that sometime in the past, The Leader put together a group of villains in order to outsmart Banner and the rest of the MU. This partnership lasted through SEVERAL big events until Doom betrayed them. Betty showed up in Fall of Hulks: Gamma, but I don't remember the story behind her appearance because I didn't read the book.
Anyway, seeing Doom's castle blow up AGAIN (what? Is his castle the new X-mansion?) and seeing him say, "once more with feeling," amused me. And then he said, "what the devil," and I wanted him dead.
Quote from: marhawkman on January 22, 2010, 08:03:08 PM
I'd rather they explain it as yet another delusion of Bob's insanity.....
Y'know, after re-reading the issue, I personally get that vibe from it. The only people who claim the sentry has any ties to divinity is his wife and the void. His wife is pretty vague about it too, using it more as a description of his extreme power than an actual fact, and the void being the void, well, it seems like the sort of thing he'd run with to try and get the sentry to bend more to his desires. If the sentry believes he's above human judgement, then the void could just do whatever he wanted with little/no resistance.
Just finished reading Hulk 606... um, I hope that backup was a drug induced dream because what happened to one of my favorite characters (She-hulk) IS NOT acceptable. I'm glad I'm dropping the Hulk line now.
hell i only flicked through hulk at the shop and knew it was crap without reading it.
how do you go from world war to no one gives a damn
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on January 23, 2010, 08:21:19 PM
hell i only flicked through hulk at the shop and knew it was crap without reading it.
how do you go from world war to no one gives a damn
You hire Joe Q.
Quote from: Tomato on January 24, 2010, 08:56:21 AM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on January 23, 2010, 08:21:19 PM
hell i only flicked through hulk at the shop and knew it was crap without reading it.
how do you go from world war to no one gives a damn
You hire Joe Q.
More like you hire Jeph Loeb. Joe Q was on board for both.
The Hulk event, which relies on 5 different books that you have to actively keep track of, was supposedly planned by Loeb, Pak, Van Lente (?), and others at a summit just like Ultimatum apparently was. Loeb and Joe Q do seem to be a common factor in these events.
Anyway, I'm going to spoiler tag this, but the reason She-hulk has been missing since Hulk 600 was finally revealed.
Spoiler
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_jenn.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=jenn.jpg)
Of course, she'll most likely be back sometime during this event since this is her Anniversary and she has several books coming her way, but it really discourages me that Marvel writers have no issues with the unsavory events they lead characters through. It's hard for me to connect with characters when I'm constantly worried about what horrible thing can happen to them this week. Also, is it ironic that we found out what happened to Jen before we even discovered who Red Hulk is? Heck, we're closer to knowing who Red Shulk is than we are to understanding who Rulk might be. :thumbdown:
Quote from: Previsionary on January 24, 2010, 06:42:25 PM
Loeb and Joe Q do seem to be a common factor in these events.
Well Joe Q is involved, at some level, with everything that happens at Marvel, good or bad. Thus I blame Loeb more because he's probably the story lead for this event.
Spoiler
I'm glad She-Hulk isn't Red She-Hulk. I thought she was going to be.
Wait! Jen is dead!
Re: Hulk 606...
Spoiler
I wouldn't write Jen/She-hulk off as dead quite yet - she may have only been choked into unconsciousness (unless people have read previews/solicitations and already have her death confirmed or something). If she does turn out to be dead I'll be done with the Hulk titles a lot longer than just until this event is over, and I'll add another clump to the Jeph Loeb Hatred Sphere I'm constructing in my basement.
Talavar,
Spoiler
Red She-Hulk literally broke her neck, and Red Shulk announced Jen's death in her first few appearances. This is the reason Shulk was missing for so long.
However, with the upcoming "Savage She-hulks" and other She-hulk related material (remember, it's her 30th anniversary this year), it's anybody's guess.
Quote from: Previsionary on January 24, 2010, 08:40:02 PM
Talavar,
Spoiler
Red She-Hulk literally broke her neck, and Red Shulk announced Jen's death in her first few appearances. This is the reason Shulk was missing for so long.
However, with the upcoming "Savage She-hulks" and other She-hulk related material (remember, it's her 30th anniversary this year), it's anybody's guess.
Well that's just great. :thumbdown: I'd avoided reading anything with Red She-hulk up to this point, so I'd missed that little tidbit.
Is there a "farm," somewhere upstate, where Jeph Loeb can get sent to at this point? Bendis can go with him to keep him company, I won't mind.
Spoiler
You know you would think Jenn would have the advantage since she has been a Hulk alot longer
I'm expecting Jen to come back anyways.....
Spoiler
Those crazy Hulks always regenerate. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Exactly! I'm still wondering if that abomination-lite "killed" by Lyra is actually dead.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/blkcasanova247/Heroic-Age_02a.jpg)
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/Heroic-Age-Avengers-Announcement-100127.html#comments
Discuss...and I'll put the first "positive" post on the topic....I'm very excited to see what Marvel has in store. :thumbup:
Looks like the right idea - though I still don't love that new Iron Man armour. I'm pretty sure that's still Bucky as Cap though, judging by the costume.
Yeah, Bucky is still Cap. That was already revealed a few issues ago. Steve is effectively taking a hiatus after Siege if his plan holds up.
Quote from: Previsionary on January 27, 2010, 08:34:09 PM
Yeah, Bucky is still Cap. That was already revealed a few issues ago. Steve is effectively taking a hiatus after Siege if his plan holds up.
Personally I think that they'll have Steve Rogers head whatever the next "world peace keeping force (or possibly superhuman initiative)" that will more than likely be introduced after H.A.M.M.E.R is dismantled...whether it be a new version of S.H.I.E.L.D or something along those lines. It would be a real let down to reintroduce Steve and then "put him on ice". Steve Rogers will bring his "outlaw" friends out of the cold..make everybody rightgeous and square with the law. A "true" leader to the superhuman community....just a theory. :rolleyes: ;)
Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on January 25, 2010, 03:43:56 AM
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You know you would think Jenn would have the advantage since she has been a Hulk alot longer
I am sooo tired of these "edgier" invincible red Hulks.
In actual comic review news, I read X-men Legacy #232 today. I recommend it. 3.5 out of 5.
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Proteus has returned in the form of Destiny due to the fallout of Necrosha. After obtaining Ruth/Blindfold as a new shell, he goes on a rampage and attacks Rogue and her team of X-men (Colossus, Magneto, Psylocke, Husk, Nightcrawler, and Trance). Easily overwhelming the team and sending them on the run 2 members shorter than what they started with, Psylocke reveals what Proteus wants and we learn how Proteus returned to life with newer abilities. The book ends with Magneto challenging Proteus on his own while heading into orbit (Kitty references are made... twice) as Rogue is left to deal with her possessed teammates.
Yeah, one day I'll return to those long reviews. Maybe. You guys don't miss them, right? :P
Heroic Age intrigues me, but I require more info. Beast's presence in particular is interesting.
Read a bunch of comics today. All were pretty decent. Enjoyed Guardians quite a bit, and this week's X-Force was the first Necrosha issue that I really dug. Rest of the arc was kinda meh. And another student died. Those kids just fall like flies.
Who's the monkey with the gun on his back? Also, I hate Spider-Man being an Avenger...not sure why exactly, just that he doesn't really fit.
Quote from: BentonGrey on January 28, 2010, 06:14:50 AM
Who's the monkey with the gun on his back? Also, I hate Spider-Man being an Avenger...not sure why exactly, just that he doesn't really fit.
I think it's the guy from Agents of Atlas, Gorilla Man.
That "Heroic Age" image would be a pretty great Avengers lineup. I'm glad to see (hopefully) bucky still as Cap. I like Blkcasanova's idea of Steve becoming the next head honcho. I'd say the least fitting one is Gorilla Man, just because I can't imagine what would make him join the Avengers and leave his comrades in Atlas.
Then again, it might not be an avengers lineup at all.
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Quote from: BentonGrey on January 28, 2010, 06:14:50 AM
Who's the monkey with the gun on his back? Also, I hate Spider-Man being an Avenger...not sure why exactly, just that he doesn't really fit.
I think it's the guy from Agents of Atlas, Gorilla Man.
Yup, great character, great series.
For me Spidey should not be officially on a team but honestly I have enjoyed him as an avenger... it gives him an audience for his wisecracks, a room full of straightmen.
To me the image is more a repesentation of the "major" players in this "line wide" shift rather than a "team" line up. I most excited that Hawkeye is back to being Hawkeye...not the sword weilding Ronin. Clint Barton is "NOT" a ninja and that always bothered me about him being the character. I'd love to see Beast back in an Avengers line up. I just hope that Spider Man is still an Avenger....personally I thought is was a great move and finally a way to broaden his base. Spider Man is "THE" Marvel super hero too me....and I particularly love the depiction of him in Avengers....he has a way of keeping everyone honest. I still am getting used to the new Iron Man suit...but I don't hate it. I really hope that the art chores on the new Avengers title are done by Stuart Immonen....his New Avengers run has been "OUTSTANDING". :thumbup:
QuoteTo me the image is more a repesentation of the "major" players in this "line wide" shift rather than a "team" line up.
That was my take, too.
Quote from: Blkcasanova247 on January 27, 2010, 07:13:10 PM
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/blkcasanova247/Heroic-Age_02a.jpg)
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/Heroic-Age-Avengers-Announcement-100127.html#comments
Discuss...and I'll put the first "positive" post on the topic....I'm very excited to see what Marvel has in store. :thumbup:
Now it'll only really happen if they fire Joe Q and at least half the current writers you know. (I still prefer Steve as Cap myself also especially in a "heroic age')) But I can hope.
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I think it's the guy from Agents of Atlas, Gorilla Man.
Yup, great character, great series.
I concur. I'm not following many series so the sampling is limited, but Agents of Atlas is my current favourite from the Marvel/DC lineups.
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Quote from: lugaru on January 28, 2010, 07:41:50 AM
Quote from: Podmark on January 28, 2010, 06:18:58 AM
I think it's the guy from Agents of Atlas, Gorilla Man.
Yup, great character, great series.
I concur. I'm not following many series so the sampling is limited, but Agents of Atlas is my current favourite from the Marvel/DC lineups.
Co-signed. Unfortunately, they don't have their own book right now, BUT they're appearing all over the place. From all the backup strips in incredible Hercules (another great book) to the VS. books Jeff Parker/Marvel are pushing, they're popping up frequently enough that the casual reader should know of their existence. Oh, right, Marvel boy: The Uranian and Thunderbolts featured the characters as well, so join in on the fun!
Can't wait till Agents of Atlas returns with their own ongoing. :thumbup: And I'll respectfull disagree with ya Seamteck...I think Joe Q is doing a pretty good job as EIC IMHO...and not half the writers...I can only think of one person that I'd love to see leave Marvel and his name is Jeff Loeb. :P Nothing personal against him...I just think he's past it.
Quote from: Blkcasanova247 on January 29, 2010, 05:33:56 PM
Can't wait till Agents of Atlas returns with their own ongoing. :thumbup: And I'll respectfull disagree with ya Seamteck...I think Joe Q is doing a pretty good job as EIC IMHO...and not half the writers...I can only think of one person that I'd love to see leave Marvel and his name is Jeff Loeb. :P Nothing personal against him...I just think he's past it.
I have something personal against Jeph Loeb. I'm no fan of Joe Q though, I think Marvel's best books are the ones that fly largely under his radar. I mean, I'm sure he's aware of titles like Incredible Hercules and Guardians of the Galaxy, I just don't think they're big enough for him to care much, and the books prosper in his disregard.
There are four writers who have worked for Marvel who I wish would never, ever write comics again.
In no particular order:
1. Jeph Loeb. Still trying to figure out what's happened to him. Because he used to be a fairly decent (not great, but decent) writer.
2. Paul Jenkins. Read his Cvil War:Front Line stuff. `nuff said.
3. Chuck Austen. Apparently has problems with continuity and doesn't mind writing characters completely out of character. (i.e., the Hawkeye/Wasp thing)
4. J. Michael Strazynski (probably spelled wrong). Loved Babylon 5, but a lot of his Spider-Man work was garbage. "Sins Past" is the only comic book storyline that I actually thought the author should be shot for doing and had to wonder how the editor actually let be published (should be tossed out of continuity completely once BND is eventually undone), and "The Other" is crap, too.
Brian Michael Bendis is close to becoming #5 on the list.
I think Jeph would be a lot more tolerable if Marvel... no, ALL publishers would stop tossing him bones that are heavy on continuity and character consistency. He's proven time and time again he's not good with those elements. Heck, these days, he can barely carry a plot past an issue or two without completely ignoring it or drawing it out longer than it needs to be.
JMS, to his credit, wrote Thor. Thor is awesome. His Spider-man work is more miss than hit, but to be fair, a lot of that had Joe Q interference, so I don't know how much to really pin on him. I do, however, blame him for all the darkness Spider-man had for over 3 years that eventually lead to OMD/BND. Super dark Spidey is not what most people want to read for months on end.
Chuck Austen... no real comment. I actually feel bad for him sometimes because he barely writes comics these days (not like he can catch a break in any form), and he's still really hated. He got actual death threats, and no one deserves that. Not over a comic.
Silver Surfer: Requiem by JMS was also awesome.
But Jeph Loeb...he needs to go back to DC. Paul Jenkins has his ups and down. I have no idea who Chuck Austen is.
we've already gone over my thoughts on sins past, i feel it was a terrible idea and not put forward in any decent way, but still say at least JMS had the guts to try and spice up one of the most over played and boring spidey characters in years.
the whole idea of a gwen/norman affair could have made her interesting and more human, but they messed it up with the whole super kids
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on January 30, 2010, 06:28:34 PM
the whole idea of a gwen/norman affair could have made her interesting and more human, but they messed it up with the whole super kids
An affair? Maybe. An affair with Osborn? Come on!
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Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on January 30, 2010, 06:28:34 PM
the whole idea of a gwen/norman affair could have made her interesting and more human, but they messed it up with the whole super kids
An affair? Maybe. An affair with Osborn? Come on!
why not, harry mat have been a more obvious choice but the idea that norman did it to totally mess with peter works for him. i'm not getting into this argument because the last time it was brought up it got personal
Oh yeah I could totally buy it from Norman's side.
Quote from: GhostMachine on January 30, 2010, 06:17:05 AM
1. Jeph Loeb. Still trying to figure out what's happened to him. Because he used to be a fairly decent (not great, but decent) writer.
There are some people online who believe the death of Loeb's son has affected his writing, and I personally find that fairly easy to believe.
There are multiple reasons why I think Sins Past is possibly the worst storyline ever done in comics, and should be totally tossed out:
1. It changes Norman's motivation for why he killed Gwen.
2. It makes Gwen look like a cheap *censored* and less sympathic.
3. The whole kids thing was seriously a dumb idea.
4. Proves JMS has a continuity problem or didn't read or fully understand the storyline he based it on. Gwen was only in Europe for a week or two in the original story, so that requires some retconning for the story to even happen.
Best thing to do once BND is (hopefully) tossed out, is to either ignore it or reveal that it was actually a clone of Gwen and Norman lied to hurt Peter.
I may not have fully "bought" the sins past arc but I do love J. Michael Straczynski's run as a whole with the exception of the end of his run which I know he didn't want to do. I'm hoping that we'll finally see a resolution to Peter's "deal with the devil" this year and put him and MJ back together...wishfull thinking maybe. And I love Brian Michael Bendis as a writer....just figured I'd put that out there. :P
I thought that Sins Past was a neat concept. I was genuinely unhappy to see the kids die at the end. :( Yeah it made Gwen look bad, but it's Norman Goblin-crazy Osborn.....
The Other would have been better if it wasn't such a short arc..... I'd have loved to see Miss Arrow become a recurring villain. Especially if she was still obsessed with Flash Thompson.
I'm pretty sure the boy is still alive.
Quote from: Blkcasanova247 on January 31, 2010, 12:44:06 PM
I'm hoping that we'll finally see a resolution to Peter's "deal with the devil" this year and put him and MJ back together...wishfull thinking maybe.
I wouldn't bet on it. Joe Q himself defended the change, if I recall, basically saying that it freed them up to write fresh stories about Spidey that they couldn't have written otherwise.
It did that, for true. Although the content and/or originality of said stories overall leave a bad taste in my mouth...
Reversing BND is potentially a total continuity wrecking ball, even worse than BND itself. It could be done in the hands of the right writer... and is totally likely to be done by the wrong writer if it ever did.
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Quote from: Blkcasanova247 on January 31, 2010, 12:44:06 PM
I'm hoping that we'll finally see a resolution to Peter's "deal with the devil" this year and put him and MJ back together...wishfull thinking maybe.
I wouldn't bet on it. Joe Q himself defended the change, if I recall, basically saying that it freed them up to write fresh stories about Spidey that they couldn't have written otherwise.
It did that, for true. Although the content and/or originality of said stories overall leave a bad taste in my mouth...
Reversing BND is potentially a total continuity wrecking ball, even worse than BND itself. It could be done in the hands of the right writer... and is totally likely to be done by the wrong writer if it ever did.
Eh, if I recall correctly, the MJ/Peter situation will be dealt with this year, though they may not make any references to Mephisto. Not to mention that writers are now pushing for Peter and Carlie (like they started to do 2 years ago) and Spider-man is messing around with Black Cat (which I realllly hate because of how it now portrays Felicia... and somewhat Pete).
Until then, however, enjoy the majority of spidey writers continuously poking at the marriage despite knowing that their teasing ticks off some fans. Tis good business!
Double post:
Am I the only one excited that Black Widow is getting an ongoing written by Majorie Liu? I can only imagine this is because of how big of a character she's become over the last few years and because Paul Cornell has done so well with her mini-series. Color me a buyer, Marvel... but it better be good.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 02, 2010, 06:04:16 AM
Double post:
Am I the only one excited that Black Widow is getting an ongoing written by Majorie Liu? I can only imagine this is because of how big of a character she's become over the last few years and because Paul Cornell has done so well with her mini-series. Color me a buyer, Marvel... but it better be good.
I'll definitely be into it...did they announce an artist?
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Quote from: Previsionary on February 02, 2010, 06:04:16 AM
Double post:
Am I the only one excited that Black Widow is getting an ongoing written by Majorie Liu? I can only imagine this is because of how big of a character she's become over the last few years and because Paul Cornell has done so well with her mini-series. Color me a buyer, Marvel... but it better be good.
I'll definitely be into it...did they announce an artist?
Daniel Acuna. Most recently off X-Men: Legacy.
Sweet! :thumbup: So how do we feel about John Romita Jr. doing the art chores on Avengers. For me he's good...but not the right guy for this book. I love him on single character books...like Spiderman or Kickass but Avengers....I'm not convinced. Too bad they didn't keep Stuart Immonen on...his New Avengers was really fantastic.
I'd rather JR Jr had done Spidey or Thor.
John Romita Jr is my favorite artist working for Marvel (I think. George Perez isn't doing anything for them at the moment, is he?), and while I think he's a pretty darn good choice for Avengers, I'd rather see him on a solo hero title. Thor, maybe. But not Spider-Man; I'm boycotting any Spider-Man titles until BND is undone. (Note: that doesn't count books with Spider-Man making an appearance, just the actual Spider-books) JR Jr doing another run on Iron Man, or eventually doing a run of Captain America would be sweet. (The Fallen Son issue he did was freakin' awesome)
Oh, and due a headshot sketch I saw him draw at a con for someone else (I got a Iron Man headshot, with the `classic' armor) a few years back, if anyone ever does a James Bond comic, JR Jr should be seriously considered as the artist for it.
I may pick up an issue or two of the Black Widow title when it comes out, but I can't afford to add any more titles to my comics shop subscriptions. I guess this means they'll either stop using her in Captain America or there will be some crossovers. (Natasha's one of my favorite heroines, but its probably because I have a thing for redheads in real life ;) )
There there AA. There there.
Oh ya, sorry AA. But I gotta say, that scene was awesome! Coipel rocked that issue!
bah no siege for the uk. turns out the shipment for uk crashed and most were unusable
OMIGAWD *becomes a Red Lantern and begins vomiting blood*
*stares at AA* Someone... someone help that poor man! He's been possessed!
BTW, did you have an earlier post, AA?
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on February 04, 2010, 09:17:22 PM
bah no siege for the uk. turns out the shipment for uk crashed and most were unusable
That sucks bro...bummer. :( And AA...I feel the same way. But hey...he's a "god"...they have a way of bouncing back. ;)
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BUT HE WAS RIPPED IN HALF BY THAT JEBUS MONSTER! I HATE SENTRY! RAGE!
What? But you loved him not even a week ago! (spoiler) will be fine. Gods don't really die off. When "Olympus" (God event) is over, I'm sure (spoiler) will return to give Hercules a familial rival.
Though, I find it funny. Sentry has been punked by EVERYONE from the Young Avengers to a playful Hercules. The first time he actually does something, it's on someone who has an out to return. Color me unimpressed.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 05, 2010, 05:21:25 PM
What? But you loved him not even a week ago! (spoiler) will be fine. Gods don't really die off. When "Olympus" (God event) is over, I'm sure (spoiler) will return to give Hercules a familial rival.
Though, I find it funny. Sentry has been punked by EVERYONE from the Young Avengers to a playful Hercules. The first time he actually does something, it's on someone who has an out to return. Color me unimpressed.
I liked him until he killed something I loved.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on February 05, 2010, 05:56:25 PM
I liked him until he killed something I loved.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on February 05, 2010, 05:13:13 PM
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BUT HE WAS RIPPED IN HALF BY THAT JEBUS MONSTER! I HATE SENTRY! RAGE!
BAH! What does death mean to a "GOD". Thor and the Asgardians died...they got better...Zues died...he got better. It's only a matter of time. ;)
I don't know if he's coming back. In his heart to heart with Nick Fury in Secret Warriors he gave the impression that he and Phobos could be killed. Of course, this is comics and anything is possible.
god damn it i want to read this
When do they plan on reshipping the comics?
next week, turns out a lot of marvel comics got hit. invincible iron man was another
It’s been almost two months since my last semi-review, so I’ll try to kick it back up, starting with:
Cable #23 (2):
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Hope (17) and Cable (now 17 years older than whatever he was) are in the year 2044 where a bunch of men wearing garbs demands that the duo pay a toll or they will be attacked. Refusing to surrender, Hope and Cable run for safety, but Nathan doesn’t escape being shot a few times. As the two hide behind a conveniently placed wall, Cable passes out (Invisible Girl Syndrome; yes, he developed it), and Hope is forced to defend them both with her increasing cunningness.
As Hope makes quick work of the men, she offers the last man standing an offer he shouldn’t refuse. He obviously does, and as a price, he has a bullet put through his head by a mysterious blonde woman known as Sophie, a friend of Cable’s. As Hope and Cable go off with her, Bishop finally emerges from the lake (or whatever body of water it was, I forget) Hope tricked him into. The garbed men find and prepare to kill him until one of the them recognizes Bishop as their previous leader that had disappeared (Issue 5). Bishop resumes his role and demands that the men bring him all their weapons.
As is the won’t with this series, Bishop makes quick work of finding Cable and Hope and chases them down in a truck. Of course, Hope and Cable also have their own jeep and they head into a park. They crash, time jump again. The book ends with Sophie dying and Cable and Hope being even closer to present day Marvel than they were before.
Whatever I said about the majority of this series still remains in play. The art was nice to look at, and there was some movement, but this book will continue to be slow and over-padded until its ending next issue. It’s amazing, really. Originally, I thought this book would serve a major purpose for the X-men, and it turned out I, and many other fans, were wrong. It’s like the road runner cartoons without the humor and zany violence. The only thing that came out of this series is the growth and MINOR development of Hope into a super warrior. This issue, she showed off PHYSICAL skills she obviously shouldn’t have and managed to out-smart and beat up a whole gang of men while Cable lie unconscious behind a wall. I’ll assume she hasn’t tinkered with her telekinetic powers anymore. Also, Bishop did his same ol’ dance again and managed to kill a very unimportant character. I’m not sure where this idea went wrong, but I know I’ll never be able to look at Cable or Bishop the same again. What… a low point.
Actually didn't they heavily hint at Alexander having "killed" Ares after his powers first emerged?
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Holy moley, Thor frying Daken to a crisp in one hit was almost too satisfying.
Quote from: marhawkman on February 08, 2010, 09:09:23 AM
Actually didn't they heavily hint at Alexander having "killed" Ares after his powers first emerged?
Uhmmm what?
Alexander has killed Ares with the sword, "Grasscutter."
Marvel released today that there will be a Secret Avengers title by Brubaker and Deodato, I'm assuming this replaces Dark Avengers. That goes along with Bendis and Romita Jr's Avengers title, so we're still waiting for Slott and Gage's titles.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on February 05, 2010, 05:56:25 PM
Quote from: Previsionary on February 05, 2010, 05:21:25 PM
What? But you loved him not even a week ago! (spoiler) will be fine. Gods don't really die off. When "Olympus" (God event) is over, I'm sure (spoiler) will return to give Hercules a familial rival.
Though, I find it funny. Sentry has been punked by EVERYONE from the Young Avengers to a playful Hercules. The first time he actually does something, it's on someone who has an out to return. Color me unimpressed.
I liked him until he killed something I loved.
I'm sure Ares will be OK, but it is a bad time to wear a skull on your chest (see Punisher).
Well that is just great news. Brubaker on an Avengers title? Music to my ears. I wonder if it's going to actually be called Secret Avengers. If so, will it have some strong connection to Secret Warriors.
Who do you that is on the cover? I'm guessing Mac Gargan.
Quote from: murs47 on February 09, 2010, 04:44:42 AM
Well that is just great news. Brubaker on an Avengers title? Music to my ears. I wonder if it's going to actually be called Secret Avengers. If so, will it have some strong connection to Secret Warriors.
Who do you that is on the cover? I'm guessing Mac Gargan.
My first thought was Spider-Man, or maybe Daredevil.
I'm wondering if this might be the X-Force of Avengers. I heard some speculation that Dark Avengers would become that after Dark Reign a while back, but it wasn't based on anything real.
I do fear that Brubaker's Avengers might end up like his Uncanny. So I hope this book is tuned to his strengths.
I hope it is Gargan, it looked like the Lizard to me which makes no sense.
Lizard + symbiote.... Hmm.. :)
link to image??
New Thunderbolts team post Siege will be lead by...
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Luke Cage :o
Revealed roster so far is:
Juggernaut
Moonstone
Ghost
Crossbones
Man-Thing
New Secret Avengers teaser too. I have no clue who that could be. Some one that has a cape and long finger nails. Ultimate Green Goblin? Spawn? Etrigan? Hmmmm. Black Panther? That would be cool.
EDIT: Here's the link UE
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/Secret-Avengers-Marvel-100208.html (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/Secret-Avengers-Marvel-100208.html)
Wait...
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has the premise of Thunderbolts changed or are they trying to make Juggernaut a good guy again? It hasn't even been a year since they made him "evil" with an actual in universe "reason" for doing so. Heck, he hasn't really done much of anything except get beaten up by the Hulk crew.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 09, 2010, 09:23:17 PM
Wait...
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has the premise of Thunderbolts changed or are they trying to make Juggernaut a good guy again? It hasn't even been a year since they made him "evil" with an actual in universe "reason" for doing so. Heck, he hasn't really done much of anything except get beaten up by the Hulk crew.
Yes, read the interview with Jeff Parker at Newsarama.com
Bucky will remain as Captain America post-Siege. And a villain makes his return:
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(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7985/capa606cov.jpg)
This is pretty good news.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 09, 2010, 09:23:17 PM
Wait...
Spoiler
has the premise of Thunderbolts changed or are they trying to make Juggernaut a good guy again? It hasn't even been a year since they made him "evil" with an actual in universe "reason" for doing so. Heck, he hasn't really done much of anything except get beaten up by the Hulk crew.
Actually to me it seems like they're going back to a concept that worked really well when Hawkeye was leader...even criminals get a second chance to do some good...get some "redemption". With that said this has got to be one of the most odd ball teams ever. :wacko: :blink: They had me at Jeff Parker as writer but then showed me the door with Kev Walker as penciller. :P
Urge to kill rising!
Zemo as a straight villain again is not cool. You probably just lost me Brubaker.
I think the guy in the new Secret Avengers ad is the Hood.
Prev Juggernaut has really just been in limbo for the last year or so. Whether or not he was good or evil again was pretty vague from what I've read. I got no problem with someone picking him up and using him.
Actually, Juggernaut was last used 2 months ago in Pak's Incredible Hulk (#601-602), and his in-universe reason for going "evil" again was because the cyttorak demanded he do so or continue to lose his powers.
Anyway, why don't you want Zemo as a straight villain? I'm sure there's more to the story than that.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 10, 2010, 01:22:41 AM
Actually, Juggernaut was last used 2 months ago in Pak's Incredible Hulk (#601-602), and his in-universe reason for going "evil" again was because the cyttorak demanded he do so or continue to lose his powers.
Anyway, why don't you want Zemo as a straight villain? I'm sure there's more to the story than that.
Hadn't heard about the Hulk appearance.
Having read all of Thunderbolts and the Zemo mini I think it would be a vast injustice to all the work that was put into Zemo over that time. Zemo was a character who was a good guy - kind of. He was quite complicated and I often thought of it as trying to save the world because it was what he wanted - not necessarily for the greater good. I really enjoyed that portrayal of Zemo.
ok all the new thunderbolts i can understand except crossbones. seriously the guy who shot and "killed" steve rogers is going to be on the same team as luke cage. i know the concept of thunderbolts but thats just stretching it
huh???
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on February 10, 2010, 01:25:57 PM
ok all the new thunderbolts i can understand except crossbones. seriously the guy who shot and "killed" steve rogers is going to be on the same team as luke cage. i know the concept of thunderbolts but thats just stretching it
huh???
:O WUT?
First of all, I know I missed some stuff, but Luke Cage on Thunderbolts is ridiculous to begin with but that's semi-believable.
But there is no way in hell he wouldn't kill Crossbones the second he saw him.
That's fing retarded.
Ya, I did a double take when I saw Crossbones. Makes no sense at all. Luke Cage leading the team made sense once I read the article. But Crossbones I can't see at all.
Eh, I see Luke Cage in a similar role as Hawkeye when he led that team. Hawkeye was an actual villain at one point though, so eh. But then again, Luke does have his prison background.
So it was Crossbones who pulled the trigger, hmm? Should have been Batroc. ^_^
New Secret Avengers teaser up. I think this one is pretty obvious because of the sub-text. Scarlet Witch. Unless a cape was added in there to throw people off. Then I'd say Spider-Woman. Those are the only two female characters I can see saying the sub-text.
Quote from: BentonGrey on February 10, 2010, 06:02:00 PM
So it was Crossbones who pulled the trigger, hmm? Should have been Batroc. ^_^
It was a combo of Sharon Carter and Crossbones. Cap got shot multiple times. Why Batroc? lol
Quote from: murs47 on February 10, 2010, 06:02:38 PM
New Secret Avengers teaser up. I think this one is pretty obvious because of the sub-text. Scarlet Witch. Unless a cape was added in there to throw people off. Then I'd say Spider-Woman. Those are the only two female characters I can see saying the sub-text.
Depending on which Spider-Woman you're referring to, Jessica is on Bendis's team (which is no surprise).
Quote from: murs47 on February 10, 2010, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on February 10, 2010, 06:02:00 PM
So it was Crossbones who pulled the trigger, hmm? Should have been Batroc. ^_^
It was a combo of Sharon Carter and Crossbones. Cap got shot multiple times. Why Batroc? lol
Ahh. Heh, I was just being goofy...and
that is why.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 10, 2010, 06:17:29 PM
Depending on which Spider-Woman you're referring to, Jessica is on Bendis's team (which is no surprise).
Oh right. Nevermind...heh.
Quote from: BentonGrey on February 10, 2010, 06:21:48 PM
Ahh. Heh, I was just being goofy...and that is why.
Benton Grey being goofy? That's just preposterous.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 10, 2010, 05:10:52 PM
Eh, I see Luke Cage in a similar role as Hawkeye when he led that team. Hawkeye was an actual villain at one point though, so eh. But then again, Luke does have his prison background.
HE WAS FALSELY IMPRISONED BY THE MAN!
Quote from: BentonGrey on February 10, 2010, 06:02:00 PM
So it was Crossbones who pulled the trigger, hmm? Should have been Batroc. ^_^
Batroc pretty much handed Cap Jr. his arse the last time he appeared. He's fancy.
For those that were worried about Atlas, it's now back as an ongoing (Parker just announced).
Check it: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=24795
:thumbup:Sweet!
Quote from: BWPS on February 10, 2010, 09:08:22 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on February 10, 2010, 06:02:00 PM
So it was Crossbones who pulled the trigger, hmm? Should have been Batroc. ^_^
Batroc pretty much handed Cap Jr. his arse the last time he appeared. He's fancy.
This makes me happy for some reason. I actually saw that encounter somewhere...maybe I paged through it in the comic shop....
damn still no seige 2, anyone help a guy. i need to read this
maybe this will scratch your itch
Spoiler
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_006.jpg)
rip ares
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_013.jpg)
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_026_027.jpg)
I like fury in this scene
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_028.jpg)
daken gets toasted
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_032.jpg)
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_033.jpg)
Sigh...I don't know how many folks care, but another former Alpha Flight member just bought the farm...
Spoiler
Diamond Lil
in the most recent X-Force.
Seriously, what has Marvel got against Alpha Flight?
Actually, Marvel seems to be displaying a lot of bias against almost all foreign (non-U.S. citizen) characters over the past few years (Alpha Flight characters seem to have giant targets painted on them...Other casualties include Sunfire, Darkstar, Big Hero 6, Arabian Knight, Etc...), using them for cannon fodder/targets for ridicule/used to make American heroes look superior/etc whenever they feel like it. I find this trend highly disturbing, especially since a few of the characters affected are
some of my favorites.
Dana
Poor, Dana. I actually thought of you when that happened. Alpha flight has a poor track record these days. Heck, my mind flashed to you when Cyclops made a joke at their expense a few months ago. On the bright side, at least Snowbird is doing well and is appearing in digital books + random compilations like Marvel Heartbreakers. :S
Quote from: Mystik on February 11, 2010, 06:36:50 PM
maybe this will scratch your itch
Spoiler
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_006.jpg)
rip ares
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_013.jpg)
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_026_027.jpg)
I like fury in this scene
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_028.jpg)
daken gets toasted
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_032.jpg)
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_033.jpg)
.cbr anyone...
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on February 11, 2010, 06:40:06 PM
Sigh...I don't know how many folks care, but another former Alpha Flight member just bought the farm...
Spoiler
Diamond Lil
Seriously, what has Marvel got against Alpha Flight?
Actually, Marvel seems to be displaying a lot of bias against almost all foreign (non-U.S. citizen) characters over the past few years (Alpha Flight characters seem to have giant targets painted on them...Other casualties include Sunfire, Darkstar, Big Hero 6, Arabian Knight, Etc...), using them for cannon fodder/targets for ridicule/used to make American heroes look superior/etc whenever they feel like it. I find this trend highly disturbing, especially since a few of the characters affected are some of my favorites.
Dana
I dont think it's a non-US citizen thing. I think it's more of titles that aren't profitable thing and writing realistic battle scene thing. Just my opinion.
Any thoughts on the latest Secret Avengers teaser? I honestly have no clue. The silhouette is so generic it could be anyone.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 11, 2010, 11:57:37 PM
Poor, Dana. I actually thought of you when that happened. Alpha flight has a poor track record these days. Heck, my mind flashed to you when Cyclops made a joke at their expense a few months ago. On the bright side, at least Snowbird is doing well and is appearing in digital books + random compilations like Marvel Heartbreakers. :S
Yeah...Snowbird had the great outing in Hercules, then the short story you mentioned above...Which is good. Sasquatch is also somewhat popular, I guess. Northstar (and Aurora) are in the X-Men books (sort of), but I really don't know why X-writers always say they want to use Jean Paul, etc...They usually end up using him sparingly, then he fades into limbo or is...Worse..Killed off. He's also been written so badly by most of the X-writers who've claimed they "really want to have Northstar" in their books.
Dana
Quote from: AfghanAnt on February 12, 2010, 01:28:11 AM
I dont think it's a non-US citizen thing. I think it's more of titles that aren't profitable thing and writing realistic battle scene thing. Just my opinion.
Realistic battle scenes?...LOL! Most of them (especially the ones written by BMB) have one panel showing the battle about to start (with lots and lots of talking), in the next panel the battle is over and the casualties are sprawled every where (cue more talking).
Much of the time, it's left to guess work for the fans which characters are dead or alive (since the writers hardly address those facts anymore). Alpha Flight was K-O'ed
off panel by the Collective, Big Hero 6 was massacred
off panel too by another menace (or so I've heard).
Anyway, I'm not really arguing with you AA...In my opinion, I just don't see many Marvel books as having anything remotely "realisitic" about their fight scenes lately. I'm actually kind of concerned about this "Heroes Age" stuff, Marvel is possibly doing...Some of their writers can't even write gritty or dark very well or even a good, fully realized story to save their life...What makes them think they can write noble superheroes? Arrgh!
Dana
Quote from: murs47 on February 12, 2010, 02:08:20 AM
Any thoughts on the latest Secret Avengers teaser? I honestly have no clue. The silhouette is so generic it could be anyone.
I took a peek at the teaser, but I also don't have a clue. I don't get why there is a need for yet another Avengers book (especially a "secret" team).
Dana
Hmmmm...new Secret Avengers teaser. War Machine? Crimson Dynamo? Iron Patriot! :D
I could see War Machine on a Secret Avengers, what with his crazy antics lately. Also, does anybody else think that caped woman could be Emma Frost? The... proportions certainly seem to fit...
Quote from: Mystik on February 11, 2010, 06:36:50 PM
maybe this will scratch your itch
Spoiler
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_006.jpg)
rip ares
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_013.jpg)
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_026_027.jpg)
I like fury in this scene
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_028.jpg)
daken gets toasted
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_032.jpg)
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_033.jpg)
God, I hate the Sentry sooo much.
I'm taking a crack at who the Secret Avengers are:
1. Steve Rogers - The "I lead by example" quote kind of gives that away.
2. War Machine - The silhouette is too similar to Iron Man but he's on Bendis' Avengers. So that leaves us with Rhodey or Norman in his Iron Patriot suit.
3. Captain Marvel - The new one with the lame black and white costume. I honestly have no idea who this could be, I just chose Noh-Varr because Marvel has been trying to make him a major player for a while and this seems like a good spot to do that.
4. Scarlet Witch - She hasn't had control over her powers for a while. Maybe now she does. I don't read Mighty Avengers so I have no idea what her deal is at the moment.
5. Moonknight - The ragged cape and the need for redemption clue me in on it being Moon Knight. Taskmaster would be my second guess.
6. T'Challa - I'd say Beast but he doesn't wear shoes. Plus, Brubaker writing T'Challa sounds like a great thing.
Quote from: murs47 on February 14, 2010, 06:25:57 PM
I'm taking a crack at who the Secret Avengers are:
4. Scarlet Witch - She hasn't had control over her powers for a while. Maybe now she does. I don't read Mighty Avengers so I have no idea what her deal is at the moment.
6. T'Challa - I'd say Beast but he doesn't wear shoes. Plus, Brubaker writing T'Challa sounds like a great thing.
*wonders if Murs ignores me... jerk* Scarlet Witch is open if Brubaker is keen on fleshing out what she's been doing since Clint, Beast, and her twins went searching for her (and found her in certain cases). SW in mighty was no one except Loki in disguise, which I've mentioned to you and has been posted in this thread... a few times... *no further comment*
As for BP, I would assume he'd be too tied up in Doom War to be in Secret Avengers, and there's the fact that T'challa is going down a darker path right now in order to outsmart Doom. Also, he's currently not Black Panther.
The thing that interests me the most at the moment is the new direction in Incredible Hercules. Pak has been building up Amadeus as Herc's replacement for a while. When he finally takes over in May, will it still be the same book I know and love?!
Quote*wonders if Murs ignores me... jerk* Scarlet Witch is open if Brubaker is keen on fleshing out what she's been doing since Clint, Beast, and her twins went searching for her (and found her in certain cases). SW in mighty was no one except Loki in disguise, which I've mentioned to you and has been posted in this thread... a few times... *no further comment*
Interesting. I stand with my guess.
QuoteAs for BP, I would assume he'd be too tied up in Doom War to be in Secret Avengers, and there's the fact that T'challa is going down a darker path right now in order to outsmart Doom. Also, he's currently not Black Panther.
I just read the last 12 issues. That's why I chose T'Challa and not Black Panther. I figure DOOMWAR would be done areound Secret Avengers launch and with T'Challa no longer being the Panther he could join a team.
Is Amadeus actually taking over the ongoing? I know he's getting a mini.
I'm saying Scarlet Witch is NOT a Secret Avenger. I'm guessing the book will be a more espionage possibly wetworks type of series so I don't think she'll fit it. There's also the fact that her return is supposed to be in Avengers: Children's Crusade which I'm hoping finally gets solicited with the Heroic Age. Solicits will be out this week.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/Prince-of-Power-Pak-Ven-Lente-Brown-100211.html <--- that explains all I know about the Herc/Amadeus shake up. My heart! *grasps it*
Wasn't SW the leader of Force Works? That was a espionage team I thought.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on February 12, 2010, 01:26:58 AM
Quote from: Mystik on February 11, 2010, 06:36:50 PM
maybe this will scratch your itch
Spoiler
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_006.jpg)
rip ares
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_013.jpg)
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_026_027.jpg)
I like fury in this scene
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_028.jpg)
daken gets toasted
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_032.jpg)
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_033.jpg)
.cbr anyone...
do u still need it?
Quote from: thanoson on February 14, 2010, 07:44:30 PM
Wasn't SW the leader of Force Works? That was a espionage team I thought.
Yep. She lead it. Wonder Man, USAgent, Iron Man, and Spider-Woman ironed out the rest of the team.
Hmmm...makes me wonder if that generic silhouette teaser is Simon.
guys, i may be really missing something here but in the series where a group of superhumans are attacking asgard and thor, wouldnt that be a nearly hopeless battle? even the weakest asgardian is superhuman.an ordinary asg. can lift/press from 20-35 tons. plus they are trained to be warriors from birth and have been arounds for centuries.i guess they dont consider these things when they throw a big story together.
Quote from: herodad1 on February 15, 2010, 06:45:41 PM
guys, i may be really missing something here but in the series where a group of superhumans are attacking asgard and thor, wouldnt that be a nearly hopeless battle? even the weakest asgardian is superhuman.an ordinary asg. can lift/press from 20-35 tons. plus they are trained to be warriors from birth and have been arounds for centuries.i guess they dont consider these things when they throw a big story together.
I don't know anything about the story under discussion, of course, but an assault upon Asgard isn't necessarily a hopeless gesture. It would depend on how many supers you had and whether or not any of the other races (giants?) were behind them. It is something that has some precedent. However, your average team of 6-12 characters would get slaughtered.
It's not just 6-12 supers, it's a whole community of villains (and some heroes) from different power levels, some with power upgrades at that, attacking Asgard. Let's keep in mind that Thor is no longer their leader and that they just recovered from a particularly hard hit after Dr. Doom tricked, killed, and experimented on many of their members. They're not at a high point right now.
Regardless, this is a Bendis event. Don't expect super plotting and logic... just long "clever" dialogue scenes, fights and shots that may or may not be completed in one book, and "awesome" cliffhangers and action events. Also expect several things to not fit previous continuity because Bendis has issues with stuff like that (EX: see how he writes Thunderball in comparison to other writers who remember he has a PhD.).
Quote from: Previsionary on February 14, 2010, 07:18:49 PM
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/Prince-of-Power-Pak-Ven-Lente-Brown-100211.html <--- that explains all I know about the Herc/Amadeus shake up. My heart! *grasps it*
gee that looks all so familiar
Quote from: herodad1 on February 15, 2010, 06:45:41 PM
guys, i may be really missing something here but in the series where a group of superhumans are attacking asgard and thor, wouldnt that be a nearly hopeless battle? even the weakest asgardian is superhuman.an ordinary asg. can lift/press from 20-35 tons. plus they are trained to be warriors from birth and have been arounds for centuries.i guess they dont consider these things when they throw a big story together.
Wouldn't it be really cool to watch them be as dangerous as they're should be. Most supers should seem like incompetent clods skill-wise vs them. However, battle skill tends to be ignored unless its the character's primary ability.
The Astonishing line expands featuring Jason Aaron! (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.11322.the_astonishing_line_expands)
QuoteThe industry's top creators join forces with the world's most popular super heroes to launch the all-new Astonishing line of comics!
Pioneered to be the books for both the casual and hardcore fans, this new imprint kicks off with two can't miss series: ASTONISHING SPIDER-MAN/WOLVERINE by superstars Jason Aaron and Adam Kubert, and the series that started it all back for a bold new era, ASTONISHING X-MEN #1 by the duo of Warren Ellis and Kaare Andrews.
Here's how Astonishing works: set firmly in the Marvel Universe and providing the perfect starting point for all readers, new or old, these books will tell the most epic stories of heroic action set against the back drop of the real world. New readers will be able to jump right into these epic adventures, while die-hard Marvel fans will also find exciting insights and dramatic changes for Marvel's most prestigious characters.
I have to question why Astonishing X-men is going back to #1 when it's only in the 30s... and why Storm is wearing what she is, but I'm excited for more Jason Aaron Wolverine goodness.
lol @ "house of ideas" = wolverine/spiderman.
Don't act like that's not a new idea, Tommy. It hasn't been done this year at all! So there.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 16, 2010, 12:24:20 AM
I have to question why Astonishing X-men is going back to #1 when it's only in the 30s...
Because they've finally accepted that it can't keep an ongoing schedule. It's a mini now.
I find the new Astonishing costumes interesting, I'd like to see more. I hope they aren't going to be the new regular costumes, but they might be neat in an isolated mini.
Punk Rock Storm returns! :thumbup: Color me excited! :D Joss and John did a fantastic job making "Astonishing" one of the best books on the market...Warren Ellis and Simone Bianchi however really did some damage to that title (Ghost Boxes...Uugh! :thumbdown:) IMO. I for one am not a fan of Ellis' work in particular on THIS book and I'm not looking forward to him continuing...Kaare Andrews however I love his style. The uniforms are like street clothes which I don't mind (the New X-Men all black & gold look I dug) but theres nothing that grabs me so much about these...except for Storms hair. :thumbup: I hope that there'll be more to these looks like jackets or emblems or some sort other embelishment. And yet one more Wolverine title/one-shot that I'll not be picking up...but dammit...Jason Aaron and Adam Kubert are doing it...I'm torn. :wacko: Why couldn't that have been the team for Astonishing X-Men?
The astonishing line sounds like the Marvel Knights line. I wish they did pure 1 issue stories, thwt would be great for both old and new readers as they promised.
Murs, this is for you.
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How do you feel, loco chico?
Quote from: Previsionary on February 16, 2010, 08:06:09 AM
How do you feel, loco chico?
Semi-excited. I remember Duane Swofhdgdghfdgpidksi doing a better job with Deadpool than Way during Messiah War. That must count for something, not sure what though.
Who am I kidding? I'll be buying this. Seeing the two back together brings back fond memories.
Psylocke 4 issue mini-series (
3.5):
Writer: Chris Yost
Artist: Harvey Tolibao
Psylocke is a character that has a lot of baggage to her name, and this is before we even get to the stuff that came after Claremont revived her during his latest Uncanny run. She’s had her powers redefined, her original body has had its face burned off, and she’s constantly used by Fraction as a walking psychic flashlight. What is it about this character that the current writers (excluding Carey) find so difficult to connect with? I’ve no real idea because her history isn’t playing a big part in any of the X-stories right now, but even though she’s all over the place, she’s usually not doing anything of importance. Enter Chris Yost and his
Psylocke mini that he specifically stated would define what Psylocke can currently do with her powers. Did Chris Yost make a hit or another miss in a long line of failures for our purple haired psychic? Check it:
Spoiler
The idea behind this series is that Psylocke has been feeling a little empty since she’s returned from death (her stint as an Exile member is completely ignored, if you’re wondering.); and after that messy Uncanny storyline which told of her homecoming to the X-men, she needed to (re-)bury her old body (now Kwannon) after it was exhumed. Heading to Japan with Wolverine mysteriously in tow, Psylocke realizes that she’s lost her connection to her original body, and over the course of the series, realizes that she’s lost herself. You would think that heading to Japan to bury a body would be simple, but nothing is ever easy for this purple haired mutant.
Upon her arrival, Psylocke is instantly attacked by “The Hand” ninjas, who kidnap Kwannon’s body and set it ablaze. Pushed into a rage, Psylocke goes after the person that did this to her, Matsu’o Tsurayaba. After a series of battle with Yukio and another assassin with fire based abilities named Jinn, Psylocke discovers the real reason behind Matsu’o’s plan and why he has been antagonizing her; he wants to die and escape the wrath of Wolverine.
As I said before, the art reminds me of Aeon Flux with a little manga flavor thrown in. Overall, I thought it worked fantastically, especially for the close up shots of Psylocke and Matsu’o, but sometimes I found it to be a little rough and difficult to make out what was going on exactly during the fight scenes. The coloring really brought this book to life, and I’m speaking specifically of some of the scenes that involved Psylocke showing off her psychic abilities or Jinn throwing around his fire streams. It just really popped without being overwhelming or gaudy.
Writing wise, this is the strongest I’ve seen Psylocke written in years, as unfortunate as they may be to say. She definitely found her voice again and Yost really propped her up as a force to be reckoned with. She stood her ground against several ninjas, Yukio, and Wolverine throughout the series and actually used both her psychic katana and knife. It’s nice to see her butterfly effect back in use, and I can only hope a writer eventually brings back her precognitions to help diversify her even further from the psychics still in the MU. The only issue I had writing wise with this series is that Wolverine and Psylocke’s relationship wasn’t utilized as much as I had hoped and Wolverine’s reason for being in the series wasn’t as strong as I wanted it to be, but there was a revelation or two that I hope is followed up on during or after “Second Coming.” Also, I liked that Yost used Mercury as a sort of bridge to the lesson Psylocke was learning. I think those two could make quite the interesting mentor/student pair if given the chance to interact more often. My overall rating for this series is a 3.5. This is an obvious grab for Psylocke fans, but it probably won’t hold water for those not into the character. On the plus side, it’s new-reader friendly and you don’t have to have a degree in Psylocke to appreciate the story.
So, any other reviews this week? perhaps one of you read
Doomwar #1?
I think I've finally hit old age. I don't care about any of this crud anymore. :P
-goes back to rereading Showcase Presents and Essential reprints-
Quote from: Xenolith on February 18, 2010, 06:25:32 PM
I think I've finally hit old age. I don't care about any of this crud anymore. :P
-goes back to rereading Showcase Presents and Essential reprints-
Welcome to our order. Problem is all my kids including the 20 year just want to read those also
Quote from: steamteck on February 18, 2010, 07:15:23 PM
Quote from: Xenolith on February 18, 2010, 06:25:32 PM
I think I've finally hit old age. I don't care about any of this crud anymore. :P
-goes back to rereading Showcase Presents and Essential reprints-
Welcome to our order. Problem is all my kids including the 20 year just want to read those also
Welcome aboard! ;)
Quote from: BentonGrey on February 18, 2010, 08:10:45 PM
Quote from: steamteck on February 18, 2010, 07:15:23 PM
Quote from: Xenolith on February 18, 2010, 06:25:32 PM
I think I've finally hit old age. I don't care about any of this crud anymore. :P
-goes back to rereading Showcase Presents and Essential reprints-
Welcome to our order. Problem is all my kids including the 20 year just want to read those also
Welcome aboard! ;)
Ditto.
Haha! As much fun as it is to see you guys reaffirm your positions with current comics (again), this is a Marvel review/discussion thread, not a "abandon all hope ye who enter!" thread. I already expend enough energy in trying to keep the thread afloat; I don't need irrelevant negativity making it that much harder. Consider that for next time, please.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 19, 2010, 09:52:39 PM
Haha! As much fun as it is to see you guys reaffirm your positions with current comics (again), this is a Marvel review/discussion thread, not a "abandon all hope ye who enter!" thread. I already expend enough energy in trying to keep the thread afloat; I don't need irrelevant negativity making it that much harder. Consider that for next time, please.
Hey, we were
encouraging someone. That's not negative at all! :P
Quote from: BentonGrey on February 19, 2010, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: Previsionary on February 19, 2010, 09:52:39 PM
Haha! As much fun as it is to see you guys reaffirm your positions with current comics (again), this is a Marvel review/discussion thread, not a "abandon all hope ye who enter!" thread. I already expend enough energy in trying to keep the thread afloat; I don't need irrelevant negativity making it that much harder. Consider that for next time, please.
Hey, we were encouraging someone. That's not negative at all! :P
Pffft... I'll encourage your face off! No one listens to you... you like a man that smells like dead fish. Even Namor knows to take a shower.
In other news, I'll try to review something else since no one else has. *looks at Pod, Murs, and AA* ^^
Quote from: Previsionary on February 19, 2010, 09:52:39 PM
Haha! As much fun as it is to see you guys reaffirm your positions with current comics (again), this is a Marvel review/discussion thread, not a "abandon all hope ye who enter!" thread. I already expend enough energy in trying to keep the thread afloat; I don't need irrelevant negativity making it that much harder. Consider that for next time, please.
Word.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 19, 2010, 10:50:50 PM
In other news, I'll try to review something else since no one else has. *looks at Pod, Murs, and AA* ^^
I don't know what to review. :(
Quote from: Previsionary on February 19, 2010, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on February 19, 2010, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: Previsionary on February 19, 2010, 09:52:39 PM
Haha! As much fun as it is to see you guys reaffirm your positions with current comics (again), this is a Marvel review/discussion thread, not a "abandon all hope ye who enter!" thread. I already expend enough energy in trying to keep the thread afloat; I don't need irrelevant negativity making it that much harder. Consider that for next time, please.
Hey, we were encouraging someone. That's not negative at all! :P
Pffft... I'll encourage your face off! No one listens to you... you like a man that smells like dead fish. Even Namor knows to take a shower.
In other news, I'll try to review something else since no one else has. *looks at Pod, Murs, and AA* ^^
Like Namor showers! Don't be silly.
<Murs> Doomwar!
<Benton> He does and has several times, actually.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 19, 2010, 11:55:25 PM
<Murs> Doomwar!
<Benton> He does and has several times, actually.
It's........odd that you can state that with such certainty.....
Quote from: BentonGrey on February 20, 2010, 12:22:12 AM
Quote from: Previsionary on February 19, 2010, 11:55:25 PM
<Murs> Doomwar!
<Benton> He does and has several times, actually.
It's........odd that you can state that with such certainty.....
What's odd is that you keep several Aqua-facts in your "tiny" brain and pull them out whenever necessary... and pics to go along with it! With Namor, it's just that he has been shown showering (X-men: The List) or, at the very least, had water poured on him (Human Torch during Namor's amnesia days). Sorry, not all fish people carry around the unfortunate scent of dead, raw meat. Imagine the stench during a hot day, BG!
*reason #402 as to why Aquaman was kicked from the League :P*
Quote from: Previsionary on February 19, 2010, 10:50:50 PM
In other news, I'll try to review something else since no one else has. *looks at Pod, Murs, and AA* ^^
Ouch I've been called out. Better review something...
I read this week's Spider-Man.
Spoiler
It's about Spidey and Black Cat sneaking into Mr. Negative's base to switch Spider-Man's blood out with pig's blood so that Negative can't make the Spidey specific poison gas anymore. Spidey stands in as a distraction and faces Mr. Negative and we find out Negative's true level of super strength is enough to send him across the block and punch him through a building.
I liked this issue. Mr. Negative's probably my favorite current Spidey villain, and there was a couple of good subplots in this one. Michael Lark does the art and it's pretty good. I give it a 4/5.
Doomwar #1If you haven't been reading Black Panther since its re-launch here's a brief re-cap:
Spoiler
T'Challa is presumed missing and dead at the beginning of the series. His sister, Shuri, earns the right to become the new Black Panther through rigorous trial. A coup takes effect and Wakanda is under the leadership of a extreme group known as the Disturi. Their strings are pulled by Dr. Doom. This all happens in 12 issues.
Onto the "event"
Spoiler
First off, kudos to Marvel for not forcing this event in our faces and instead, having it organically flow from the Black Panther series. It honestly felt like a continuation of the series rather than having that "distant relative" feeling most events do.
The focal points of the issue concentrated on T'Challa revealing how Doom was able to get the Disturi into power; Storms arrest, trial, and verdict(guilty) which is decided for her because she was uncooperative according the judge. Also, T'Challa visits Utopia in attempt to gain allies(X-Men). The final pages end with the Black Panthers returning to Wakanda with Shuri displaying how serious she takes her role as the new Black Panther(which is effin awesome!).
Was the issue the greatest thing since the invention of toilet paper? No, but it was quality story telling.
Using the standard Prev-O-Meter: 3.5 out of 5
Dial 1-800-047-MURS and let us know!
Pod's quickie review for the day - X-Men Legacy:
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I'm not sure it made sense but Magneto kicked all kinds of arse against Proteus. Carey writes an awesome Magneto. Also Destiny is a great grandmother or so of Blindfold. And Blindfold presumably has a (evil) brother. Art was decent.
Good issue 4/5
Thanks Pod. I planned on reviewing it, but now I won't. I wish Carey wrote the main X-book (Uncanny) because the display of Magneto Fraction has put on there for the past 5 months has been a bit ridiculous. I also choose not to comment on how he's pulling a bullet from out of space although a month earlier he could barely use his powers to keep their lovely island afloat. *misses Uncanny*
I try to use a very simple reviewing system these days. 1-5 no decimals.
1 - hated it
2 - disliked it
3 - meh
4 - liked it
5 - loved it
Quote from: Podmark on February 25, 2010, 02:17:59 AM
I try to use a very simple reviewing system these days. 1-5 no decimals.
1 - hated it
2 - disliked it
3 - meh
4 - liked it
5 - loved it
That's a good rating system. Perhaps you should call it the
Podometer.
Quote from: murs47 on February 25, 2010, 02:20:30 AM
Quote from: Podmark on February 25, 2010, 02:17:59 AM
I try to use a very simple reviewing system these days. 1-5 no decimals.
1 - hated it
2 - disliked it
3 - meh
4 - liked it
5 - loved it
That's a good rating system. Perhaps you should call it the Podometer.
Very well for now on there shall be a Pod-o-meter! At least until it's killed by the Prev-o-meter.
On an unrelated note Pod is a fan of Elixir.
So, I finally got around to reading Incredible Herc #141, the issue in which the Prince of Power title is transferred to dear Amadeus Cho. This book was action packed and Hercules was shown going toe-to-toe with Typhon. Several things happened in this penultimate chapter of the Olympus storyline. Three gods died, a character was punished, a shift in leadership took place... and a betrayal and reveal of the highest calibre was revealed at the same time. How do I feel about this storyline? It's a solid 3. I'm still wary of Amadeus's new role, but I'm willing to give it a shot, if only to see what he'll do once he finds out what really happened in the fall of Hercules.
With this issue now out of the way, I can say for sure that Amadeus's role in [Incredible] Hulk (#607) takes place some time down the road. As for the Atlas back up story... it ended very anti-climactically. All you need to know about this story is that one of the Atlas members ascended to a new role of Goddess and all the characters in this book finally met face to face after the conclusion of the Avengers' fight.
Dana,
I think you'll be interested in knowing that Chris Yost wrote another story in Nation X #3 that involved Diamond Lil and Maddison Jeffries. They finally re-conciliated, though the book ends on a sour note considering what happened to Diamond in X-force. It's just nice to see some characters get closure, am I right? Also, they actually make mention of Marrina again (*looks at Fraction*)
does anyone know if steve rogers is returning to the cap comic?if so i was going to get a subscribe to it monthly.
Did anyone get the Second Coming Prepare free comic? I either had never heard of it or completely forgot about it, but I heard it came out yesterday. I'll have see if my shop has more this week. It's written by Mike Carey with art by Stuart Immonen. I figure it's mostly a recap with a half dozen new pages.
Quote from: herodad1 on February 28, 2010, 10:17:13 PM
does anyone know if steve rogers is returning to the cap comic?if so i was going to get a subscribe to it monthly.
Honestly I'm not sure. I've seen the solicits, and I expect he's in it, but I'm not sure if he's co-starring with Bucky or joining the supporting cast. Someone who's more up on Cap can probably answer this better.
There's a rumor Steve will be rebuilding Shield.
Quote from: Podmark on February 28, 2010, 10:17:25 PM
Did anyone get the Second Coming Prepare free comic? I either had never heard of it or completely forgot about it, but I heard it came out yesterday. I'll have see if my shop has more this week. It's written by Mike Carey with art by Stuart Immonen. I figure it's mostly a recap with a half dozen new pages.
I've it, but I haven't checked it out yet. I'll do so now... IN YOUR HONOR! *rushes away*
EDIT:
Spoiler
The opening 8 pages were scenes of Roxie interviewing various X-men about Utopia and their roles in a recent event that took place 2 days after Hope Summers arrived in the present. Roxie interviews Iceman, Magneto, Cable, Wolverine (who seems solemn about a recent death), Cyclops, and Cannonball. Interposed between all of this is shots of the X-club operating on a body hidden under a sheet.
The rest of the book is previews, sketches, and history lessons (Phoenix force, X-book trades, etc.).
Bendis and Immonen are relaunching New Avengers for the Heroic Age. Luke Cage first confirmed member. (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/avengers-100301.html)
We're up to 3 confirmed Avengers books right now - Avengers, Secret Avengers and New Avengers. There's supposed to be four and I'm positive I read that Gage would be writing an ongoing Avengers book, hopefully a follow-up to the Initiative.
Quote from: Podmark on March 01, 2010, 07:54:49 PM
Bendis and Immonen are relaunching New Avengers for the Heroic Age. Luke Cage first confirmed member. (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/avengers-100301.html)
We're up to 3 confirmed Avengers books right now - Avengers, Secret Avengers and New Avengers. There's supposed to be four and I'm positive I read that Gage would be writing an ongoing Avengers book, hopefully a follow-up to the Initiative.
New, secret dark secret new dark secret new avengers. Now with added Wolverine and Spiderman. Plus, new secret dark Wolverine and dark secret new Spiderman. Also secret Cage and new Spiderwoman. And I'm saying this to you, I'm telling you this; dark secret new. Talking. Six issue "stories" with lots of talking. Four Splash pages per issue. All new. All Dark. All Secret. All Talking. Ten more years of talking, repeating, talking again. Secret. Wolverine. New. Spiderman. Eating and talking, secretly.
"Heroic age" means more talking, more new dark secret running away from The Hood (ooo, scary!) and fleeing from ninjas (aaaah! ninjas!).
Recon.
Quote from: Podmark on February 28, 2010, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: herodad1 on February 28, 2010, 10:17:13 PM
does anyone know if steve rogers is returning to the cap comic?if so i was going to get a subscribe to it monthly.
Honestly I'm not sure. I've seen the solicits, and I expect he's in it, but I'm not sure if he's co-starring with Bucky or joining the supporting cast. Someone who's more up on Cap can probably answer this better.
There's a rumor Steve will be rebuilding Shield.
Right now, Captain America is a pretty good read, even without Steve. The problem is that they've apparently added Nomad (the Heroes' Reborn universe's female Bucky, Rikki Barnes, who is now on the regular Marvel Earth; she turned up in Captain America #600) as a back-up feature an issue or two back.
I like Bucky as Cap okay, but I want Steve back as Cap and Bucky still around with a different gimmick.
They could give Bucky a new code name (American Soldier?) and have him wear something that looks like a cross between his Winter Soldier and Bucky costumes, but with a different mask and using guns with non-lethal ammo. Maybe cut off part of his Captain America mask so the A and wings are gone and his hair is exposed?
Oh, and Bucky America no longer has an obviously cybernetic arm when he's out of costume. He was given a new one that looks like a normal human arm in the last issue. So there's a good case to give him a costume with two sleeves instead of one, or two short sleeves, when he eventually gets a new codename.
Obviously I haven't been following this book, but it just occured to me that Bucky would actually make a pretty great Nomad.
Gracious, Tommy... not every Avenger book is written by Bendis. Did you just need to unleash on the first of the month or something? :P
Though, what was the point of canceling New Avengers only to replace it with... New Avengers. I was really hoping they were going to condense the line a little bit (for a year at least), especially if these teams aren't tackling different tones and issues. It'll be like X-men all over again. My only potential condolence will be that The Hood will stop dominating a book he's supposed to be a minor part of.
I wouldn't expect Steve back as Cap until AFTER Bucky finishes his character arc and growth. We all complain about writers not doing anything new with the characters and keeping them in a state of perpetuity, so I think it's nice that Brubaker is taking the time to actually allow these characters to grow in new ways so that they actually gain more layers rather than relive the same "growth" patterns over and over (I.E., Hank Pym over in Hank Pym, Jocasta, and those other Avengers... I mean, Mighty.) With that said, I see no reason for Steve not to be a supporting character in the book along with Sharon, Black Widow, Clint, and Falcon (and evil cap/50's Cap).
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 01, 2010, 10:55:46 PM
Obviously I haven't been following this book, but it just occured to me that Bucky would actually make a pretty great Nomad.
Bucky would make a good anything. Even a house wife. Act quickly Benton.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love Bucky as Cap. Maybe it's because I'm not american and never really grew up with Captain America in the first place, but Steve is just boring in a Superman/infallible moral compass sort of way. I quite like how they've got it set up now in some books, with Steve in simple black with some sort of energy shield, and Bucky as Cap. I'd like to see it stay like this for a while, with Steve in a more mentor-centric role.
Though, if Steve were to become head of SHIELD or a similar organization, as has been rumored, I would completely support that decision.
Quote from: Zippo on March 02, 2010, 12:55:42 AM
Though, if Steve were to become head of SHIELD or a similar organization, as has been rumored, I would completely support that decision.
I'm pretty sure that Steve Rogers will step into Fury's old job to rebuild SHIELD from the ground up once Nick Fury and his Secret Warriors wraps up enough of HYDRA to make his job much easier. It's obvious after Secret War that the government will no longer trust Fury enough to put him back in charge of any public knowledged groups so he will probably keep running Howling Commandos and his superhuman trainee squads while remaining underground. Steve will take the publicly seen SHIELD group to face larger threats while running the Secret Avengers to handle more delicate missions best left unseen. And of course the New Captain gets to lead the "All-New" Avengers to handle superhuman threats from that point forward.
- CQ
I've been reading Cap through the Omnibuses so I'm way behind, but it's a great series read as a collection. Having read the book and seeing how much development they've put into Bucky I'd be upset if Steve took over the title with Bucky being reduced to a supporting role or worse. Cap taking over SHIELD sounds fine to me. He can be the new Tony/Norman who appears in all the books. I'd also be ok and probably prefer Steve return along Bucky as duel Captain Americas. Having two of the same hero never bothered me.
In other news there's a new and very vague/bland X-Men teaser for post Second Coming (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25032).
Ha! You figure with this new "Heroic Age" they would have made Cage look...now wait for it...HEROIC! Not some guy who looks like he should be working on a chain gang with the Absorbing Man.
So sad and very lame.
Quote from: tommyboy on March 01, 2010, 08:28:46 PM
Quote from: Podmark on March 01, 2010, 07:54:49 PM
Bendis and Immonen are relaunching New Avengers for the Heroic Age. Luke Cage first confirmed member. (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/avengers-100301.html)
We're up to 3 confirmed Avengers books right now - Avengers, Secret Avengers and New Avengers. There's supposed to be four and I'm positive I read that Gage would be writing an ongoing Avengers book, hopefully a follow-up to the Initiative.
New, secret dark secret new dark secret new avengers. Now with added Wolverine and Spiderman. Plus, new secret dark Wolverine and dark secret new Spiderman. Also secret Cage and new Spiderwoman. And I'm saying this to you, I'm telling you this; dark secret new. Talking. Six issue "stories" with lots of talking. Four Splash pages per issue. All new. All Dark. All Secret. All Talking. Ten more years of talking, repeating, talking again. Secret. Wolverine. New. Spiderman. Eating and talking, secretly.
"Heroic age" means more talking, more new dark secret running away from The Hood (ooo, scary!) and fleeing from ninjas (aaaah! ninjas!).
Recon.
Now that's just pure gold right there! :lol:
Here he is...the all new...all heroic Luke Cage!
Spoiler
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v35/Courtnall6/luke_cage_hero.jpg)
:P :P :P
lol, c6. You know you like Luke's new costume... or lack thereof.
I prefer Luke's old moonlighting Power-Man costume. ^_^
is luke cage the new wolverine, thunderbolt, new avengers, heroes for hire
Is Power Man actually that popular, or is he just a personal favorite with somebody on staff? Why is he in so many comics? Sweet Christmas!
Bendis loves him, that's why. Luke has become more popular because of his stint in New Avengers, but let's not kid ourselves... New Avengers was made up of characters Bendis loved (and often miswrote). Yes, he does have quite the pull. :P
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 01, 2010, 10:55:46 PM
Obviously I haven't been following this book, but it just occured to me that Bucky would actually make a pretty great Nomad.
You should. It's the only comic book I read (through TPBs). For the most part, it does a decent job of staying out of huge Marvel events. Or at least it did. The writing is about as good as a monthly comic book can get.
I love the new Captain America. Of course I want Steve to come back, but I would have liked maybe another year. JB's costume is just so cool and he has a robot arm! Also it'd be cool to have Red Skull stay gone a while and let Cap actually do something. (spoiler up to issue 601)
Spoiler
I liked the last one where he saved Human Torch's body with Namor. But Road to Reborn was just so uneventful. I understand Sharon is sad about "killing" Steve, but maybe clue the reader in on what was special about the gun she found instead of just letting us know how everyone misses Steve (we've done this before) and having the big reveal at the end being Sharon saying they might be able to save him and that Red Skull's ghost didn't want to kill him. I expect Reborn to be much more awesome.
I realize these were anniversary issues, which I almost always dislike. The WWII birthday party was pretty great, I love the huge amount of flashbacks in the book.
Overall I'd give it a 3.5/5. Even though I didn't like it, that was relative to the book which is amazing. I read Secret Invasion the other day so that put how bad it COULD be into perspective.
Also, I agree about this new girl Bucky character. What's the point of adding a Jubilee character to any book, let alone one that needs to do more with the characters it has.
Also, Norman Osborne is sweet. I hope he kills Tony Stark.
I approve of C6's Luke Cage redesign. It would've been cooler if he still had Wrecker's crowbar though...
Oh BTW
Spoiler
Spidey is a New Avengers. I have a feeling Wolverine will be as well and Avengers will be just the classic team (I guess Spider-woman counts as classic).
Quote from: BWPS on March 02, 2010, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 01, 2010, 10:55:46 PM
Obviously I haven't been following this book, but it just occured to me that Bucky would actually make a pretty great Nomad.
You should. It's the only comic book I read (through TPBs). For the most part, it does a decent job of staying out of huge Marvel events. Or at least it did. The writing is about as good as a monthly comic book can get.
I love the new Captain America. Of course I want Steve to come back, but I would have liked maybe another year. JB's costume is just so cool and he has a robot arm! Also it'd be cool to have Red Skull stay gone a while and let Cap actually do something. (spoiler up to issue 601) Spoiler
I liked the last one where he saved Human Torch's body with Namor. But Road to Reborn was just so uneventful. I understand Sharon is sad about "killing" Steve, but maybe clue the reader in on what was special about the gun she found instead of just letting us know how everyone misses Steve (we've done this before) and having the big reveal at the end being Sharon saying they might be able to save him and that Red Skull's ghost didn't want to kill him. I expect Reborn to be much more awesome.
I realize these were anniversary issues, which I almost always dislike. The WWII birthday party was pretty great, I love the huge amount of flashbacks in the book.
Overall I'd give it a 3.5/5. Even though I didn't like it, that was relative to the book which is amazing. I read Secret Invasion the other day so that put how bad it COULD be into perspective.
Also, I agree about this new girl Bucky character. What's the point of adding a Jubilee character to any book, let alone one that needs to do more with the characters it has.
Also, Norman Osborne is sweet. I hope he kills Tony Stark.
Ehh, the boycott of modern books continues, but I may read some TPB's of the series through the library at some point.
:EDIT: I do want to be clear here, I mean this straightforwardly, because I have noticed all the praises this book has been getting from y'all.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on March 02, 2010, 05:24:36 PM
I approve of C6's Luke Cage redesign. It would've been cooler if he still had Wrecker's crowbar though...
Oh BTW
Spoiler
Spidey is a New Avengers. I have a feeling Wolverine will be as well and Avengers will be just the classic team (I guess Spider-woman counts as classic).
Curious as both Spidey and Wolverine were on the cover to Avengers #1. I hope Bendis isn't going to pull double duty with his cast for both books.
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 02, 2010, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: BWPS on March 02, 2010, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 01, 2010, 10:55:46 PM
Obviously I haven't been following this book, but it just occured to me that Bucky would actually make a pretty great Nomad.
You should. It's the only comic book I read (through TPBs). For the most part, it does a decent job of staying out of huge Marvel events. Or at least it did. The writing is about as good as a monthly comic book can get.
I love the new Captain America. Of course I want Steve to come back, but I would have liked maybe another year. JB's costume is just so cool and he has a robot arm! Also it'd be cool to have Red Skull stay gone a while and let Cap actually do something. (spoiler up to issue 601) Spoiler
I liked the last one where he saved Human Torch's body with Namor. But Road to Reborn was just so uneventful. I understand Sharon is sad about "killing" Steve, but maybe clue the reader in on what was special about the gun she found instead of just letting us know how everyone misses Steve (we've done this before) and having the big reveal at the end being Sharon saying they might be able to save him and that Red Skull's ghost didn't want to kill him. I expect Reborn to be much more awesome.
I realize these were anniversary issues, which I almost always dislike. The WWII birthday party was pretty great, I love the huge amount of flashbacks in the book.
Overall I'd give it a 3.5/5. Even though I didn't like it, that was relative to the book which is amazing. I read Secret Invasion the other day so that put how bad it COULD be into perspective.
Also, I agree about this new girl Bucky character. What's the point of adding a Jubilee character to any book, let alone one that needs to do more with the characters it has.
Also, Norman Osborne is sweet. I hope he kills Tony Stark.
Ehh, the boycott of modern books continues, but I may read some TPB's of the series through the library at some point.
Ditto.
More Avengers teasers:
Siege: Fallen promo (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/siege-fallen-first-look-100302.html)
It's a farewell issue to a character who dies in Siege. Probably Sentry, if so I say Jenkins is writing.
Avengers Prime: Siege Aftermath mini announced (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/avengers-prime-siege-aftermath-100302.html)
5 issue bi-monthly mini by Bendis and Alan Davis about Steve, Thor, and Iron Man talking out their differences after Siege.
Interestingly Steve isn't shown in costume and his lower half is whited out in the cover preview - hiding a SHIELD uniform perhaps?
Also of note is that Brevoort confirmed the last of the four Avengers books in the interview, Avengers Academy which I assume is the follow-up to Avengers: The Initiative by Gage. This makes me happy, honestly it's the only one of these books that I actually care about.
Quote from: Podmark on March 02, 2010, 08:44:31 PM
More Avengers teasers:
Avengers Prime: Siege Aftermath mini announced (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/avengers-prime-siege-aftermath-100302.html)
5 issue bi-monthly mini by Bendis and Alan Davis about Steve, Thor, and Iron Man talking out their differences after Siege.
5 issues of talking?
Five. Issues. Of Talking.
Just when I think all my hatred has died away, he finds some new way to irritate me.
Quote from: tommyboy on March 02, 2010, 09:03:09 PM
Quote from: Podmark on March 02, 2010, 08:44:31 PM
More Avengers teasers:
Avengers Prime: Siege Aftermath mini announced (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/avengers-prime-siege-aftermath-100302.html)
5 issue bi-monthly mini by Bendis and Alan Davis about Steve, Thor, and Iron Man talking out their differences after Siege.
5 issues of talking?
Five. Issues. Of Talking.
Just when I think all my hatred has died away, he finds some new way to irritate me.
Honestly I find most of your little rants kinda silly but I was waiting for that one.
The series sounds like it should be a one shot to me, maybe there's more to it.
There'll probably be some random villain element that'll force the Avengers 3 to work together... but if Siege is anything to go by, most of the important stuff will happen in other books.
Speaking of Siege, is Ms. Marvel's now canceled book not in continuity at all? No one has explained why Brian Reed wrote Moonstone out of the Ms. Marvel role in his book, but she's Ms. Marvel everywhere else.
Quote from: Podmark on March 02, 2010, 09:35:02 PM
Honestly I find most of your little rants kinda silly but I was waiting for that one.
Now you've hurt my feelings.
The wedding is off.
Quote from: tommyboy on March 02, 2010, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: Podmark on March 02, 2010, 09:35:02 PM
Honestly I find most of your little rants kinda silly but I was waiting for that one.
Now you've hurt my feelings.
The wedding is off.
But I've already picked out a dress! :(
You kids and your silly defunct marriages. Don't you know? Marriages are things for devils to eat.
In other news, I just saw this on TV:
Marvel: Heralds (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-heralds-teaser-100302.html)
I find it interesting that marvel is pushing so many female heroes (and comics) lately. Also of interest... SHE-HULK!
Quote from: Previsionary on March 03, 2010, 12:21:10 AM
I find it interesting that marvel is pushing so many female heroes (and comics) lately. Also of interest... SHE-HULK!
More cheesecake for the thirtysomethings who can't let go.
So, I picked up Mighty Avengers this week because Thor was in it and... I don't even... know what... to say anymore about this book. I don't know what happened to Slott.
Spoiler
So the book opens with Loki asking for help from Thor after the Mighty Avengers (Quicksilver and Hank mostly) captured him in a contraption made to contain a god. Why you ask? Well, let's go back in time.
As the Avengers sit around a table and tell of their recent exploits away from the team, Quicksilver demands to know where his sister is. Hank finally reveals that Scarlet Witch was Loki and Quicksilver demands they find the God and make him answer where Wanda is. Hank agrees and reveals that Loki makes a yearly pilgrimage to a temple in Asgard and they can catch him there. The Avengers head into Asgard and Hank and QS build the machine as the others fight off Trolls. Loki finally appears and is trapped in the machine. Pym and Pietro begin to question Loki and every time they feel he is lying, Pym (and later QS) shock him. It gets so bad that Loki begs his brother for help as blood runs down his face.
Anyway, we come to the conclusion that Loki may or may not have told Pym he was "scientist supreme" in another effort to manipulate the team, Loki doesn't know where Wanda is, and that Pym wants Loki to join the Avengers, which causes Hercules and Amadeus to quit the team. Also, Ultron is returning in the form of Jocasta.
I'd rate this a Mighty
2 out of 5. I don't know what Slott is trying to do with Hank Pym, but I've never disliked or been so uninterested in him more.
As an aside, why didn't no one tell me SWORD was canceled? Good thing I didn't get too attached to that book. I guess Beast will be rejoining the X-men sooner rather than later.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on March 03, 2010, 01:37:06 AM
Quote from: Previsionary on March 03, 2010, 12:21:10 AM
I find it interesting that marvel is pushing so many female heroes (and comics) lately. Also of interest... SHE-HULK!
More cheesecake for the thirtysomethings who can't let go.
Not really - With the exception of Marvel Divas (which was better than people admit), Girl Comics (which was cute and fun!) and Heralds (which is hardly cheesecake) are Marvel's push at incorporating more female artists, writers, and colorists/inkers onto projects.
Quote from: Previsionary on March 04, 2010, 06:14:42 AM
So, I picked up Mighty Avengers this week because Thor was in it and... I don't even... know what... to say anymore about this book. I don't know what happened to Slott.
Spoiler
So the book opens with Loki asking for help from Thor after the Mighty Avengers (Quicksilver and Hank mostly) captured him in a contraption made to contain a god. Why you ask? Well, let's go back in time.
As the Avengers sit around a table and tell of their recent exploits away from the team, Quicksilver demands to know where his sister is. Hank finally reveals that Scarlet Witch was Loki and Quicksilver demands they find the God and make him answer where Wanda is. Hank agrees and reveals that Loki makes a yearly pilgrimage to a temple in Asgard and they can catch him there. The Avengers head into Asgard and Hank and QS build the machine as the others fight off Trolls. Loki finally appears and is trapped in the machine. Pym and Pietro begin to question Loki and every time they feel he is lying, Pym (and later QS) shock him. It gets so bad that Loki begs his brother for help as blood runs down his face.
Anyway, we come to the conclusion that Loki may or may not have told Pym he was "scientist supreme" in another effort to manipulate the team, Loki doesn't know where Wanda is, and that Pym wants Loki to join the Avengers, which causes Hercules and Amadeus to quit the team. Also, Ultron is returning in the form of Jocasta.
I'd rate this a Mighty 2 out of 5. I don't know what Slott is trying to do with Hank Pym, but I've never disliked or been so uninterested in him more.
As an aside, why didn't no one tell me SWORD was canceled? Good thing I didn't get too attached to that book. I guess Beast will be rejoining the X-men sooner rather than later.
That is exactly why I picked up Mighty and I hated it(as usual).
As for Sword, I finally read the last issue and it's not bad. It's a shame something refreshing is getting cancelled (see everything not starring Wolverine, Captain America, or Spider-man).
Indeed, and let's not forget that Black Widow just had 2 of her mini-series finish (
Deadly Origins and
Black Widow and the Marvel Girls + has an ongoing on the way) and one heavily focused on the women of Marvel outside of their sex symbol status. Realistically, this is probably the most prominent female characters have been in the MU in years with all the attention they're now getting. Of course, Marvel just canceled their "Wonder Womanesque" series (Ms. marvel), so it's a mixed signal. :P
Anyway, a Bendis interview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/107/1073387p1.html) on what's coming up for Tony, Steve, and Thor. Speaking of Tony, was anyone really satisfied with how Fraction exonerated Tony in Invincible Ironman #24? I'm hoping the follow-up actually explores Tony's new position a little bit more and actually makes Tony repent for some of his actions (no matter how forced or out of character they were at the time).
Quote from: BendisAs you saw in the solicits, the first villain is Kang. I've never done a Kang story, only some trippy time stuff here and there. I've been sitting on a notebook of Kang ideas for quite a while. And Kang has had some great stories, from Avengers Forever to the Young Avengers stuff. So I've put it away for a while and it's been on my list of things to do. And Tom and Joe said, "Do you want to do Kang?" and when I said yes, they said I should open [the series] with him. Open with a character that I have a new spin on. They always hold the bar for me at Purple Man [from Alias]. "Do a Purple Man with Kang." But in order for the story to really work, the universe had to be in a better place. And now it is.
So now we have Kang pulling a stunt unlike he's ever pulled before, doing damage unlike any he's done before ? when it's most inconvenient. And that's what a time traveler would do ? find a moment that's inconvenient and he'd hit you. But I tell you, for fans of all things Marvel, all the different looks at Marvel's future, there's going to be a lot of fun stuff. We have guests from so many different timelines of the Marvel Universe? Old Man Logan, Future Imperfect? there are so many cool things like that. For those looking to see how esoteric we'll be getting, you will be seeing the Next Avengers, from the Marvel animated DVD movie, in this comic book for the first time ever. And they have never appeared in a comic book. And you don't need to worry if you don't know who these people are? but if you do?
Emphasis added. I found these paragraphs a bit interesting (not all for the right reasons), but I'm kinda excited to see Marvel making use of the
Next Avengers.
Quote from: Previsionary on March 04, 2010, 04:05:23 PM
Speaking of Tony, was anyone really satisfied with how Fraction exonerated Tony in Invincible Ironman #24? I'm hoping the follow-up actually explores Tony's new position a little bit more and actually makes Tony repent for some of his actions (no matter how forced or out of character they were at the time).
For me, he's not exonerated. It was Stark who decided to do all the stuff he did, he's still Stark, ergo, still guilty. He could have repented his actions anyway, without this lame attempted cop-out. they have a Hal Jordan sized problem in redeeming Stark now. Maybe have him sign up for the Mephisto retcon express.
how many books is the SIEGE storyline spread through? just got my thor #607 in the mail.
Oh come on, Prev...
Spoiler
Even I saw the Sword cancellation, when it was first starting. :P
I totally agree with Tom about Bendis...Hate the man's work...Hate it! I'm also frigging cringing at the idea of
Spoiler
Jewel
being in an Avengers book.
Dana
What be you talking about, Dana? That was actually a good book that got rid of creepy, mopey, sneak in your room and lie on your bed Beast. Fun Beast is a million times better than science speak Beast! Brand... take her or leave her.
Quote from: Previsionary on March 05, 2010, 06:53:51 PM
What be you talking about, Dana? That was actually a good book that got rid of creepy, mopey, sneak in your room and lie on your bed Beast. Fun Beast is a million times better than science speak Beast! Brand... take her or leave her.
I meant the premise tipped me off to it's inevitable axing(the cast was not strong enough and the idea behind the organization was MIB tired)...I agree with you on Hank, though. I miss ape-like fun Beast. I'm not a fan of depressed, kitty-Beast.
Dana
Dark X-men #5 (4)It’s no secret that I’m a fan of Paul Cornell, but it doesn’t mean I’m oblivious to some of his shortcomings. After the let down that was
Black Widow: Deadly Origins #4, Cornell comes back again with another ending to a mini-series that I was looking forward to. Did he knock it out of the park this week? Well…
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Dark X-men #5 concludes with the Dark X-men battling Green Goblin in Norman’s psyche as Nate gloats to Norman about how well his plan is succeeding. Norman laughs it off because, obviously, Nate is way out of touch with how things have developed over the past few years. Normal boasts that he actually has the upper hand and that he doesn’t “beat” his opponents like a traditional hero would claim to do. Goblin easily makes mince meat of the Dark X-men and uses two of them to help Norman defeat Nate. The book ends on a bitter note for both the majority of the Dark X-men and Nate. Nate reveals that he would have helped some of the Dark X-men if they had trusted him enough to make a decision about where they stood in life, but in the end, he fell to the might of Norman and winds up in containment, bruised and beaten.
Honestly, this was a satisfactory ending. The Norman/Nate mental showdown was adequate, though I probably wouldn’t have expected Norman’s will to last as long as it did against X-man; but Norman is a special kind of crazy, and he’s known for his willpower. I actually liked that Cornell gave a bittersweet ending to the Dark X-men in an effort to humanize them. So often these days, writers treat the villains they use as 2D obstacles not worthy of having any type of real growth. It’s just nice to see these characters hit in the gut and stuck with the decisions they made (or neglected to make), and this is the first time in a while that I actually had some type of sympathetic connection with Mystique, considering her last few appearances in
Weapon X and that horrible story in
Ms. Marvel. I give this issue a 4 and the entire series a 3.5. It’s a nice little read, and I hope to see these characters again during the “Heroic Age” with some actual weight and character development… and if I’m lucky, new, better looking costumes.
So what did you lot read?
I enjoyed Dark X-men as well Prev. I hope we get to see some more of Nate Grey, maybe during Second Coming or Heroic Age. With both Nate and Hope, the X-men would have a good starting point for leading themselves into some sort of new age.
Loved issue 5 of Dark X-men... talk about having the last laugh (not saying who, I'm too lazy for spoilers today).
Again, I'm gonna miss it being a villains world when it becomes the Heroic Age, I love not being able to count on things to work out in the end.
to be honest things have always had that possibility it's just that writers used it less ofteen before.
seriously unless siege ends with norman in full GG role kicking the hell out of some major heroes i'll be ticked
Shh, talk about GG later. It's all about X-23, Jubilee, and Wolverine now:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=4674&disp=table
Not fond of the art style, but it'll be nice to see Jubilee back in action. I'm ignoring that Nation X story.
ETA:
This is one of the best splash pages I've seen in awhile. It made me giddy:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_awesome.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/awesome.jpg)
Jubes is BACK! sort of....
Is Jubilee the one flying? If so....then boy have I ever missed a lot!
No, that's Lucy In The Sky from Runaways :P
Spiderwoman cancelled.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Maybe he should write a team-up book with Spider-man, Wolverine and Spiderwoman, that'd sell..Oh, wait, he already does that.
And Siege #1 sold around 108k. That's less than WWHulk, less than the tedious Secret war or secret invasion or secret house of secret dark M. It's the worst selling "event" book in some time, a failure 7 years in the making, so thoroughly trounced by the saales of DC's Blackest Night that I can't stop smiling.
Oh, and sales of "new" avengers, dark avengers etc are down, and down by a bigger percentage than those of Slott's Mighty Avengers.
Figures courtesy of:
http://www.comicsbeat.com/2010/03/03/marvel-month-to-month-sales-january-2010/
*does a little dance*
you don't have to be so gleeful.
we're screwed either way, yes modern comics are event after event, and try to push the boundaries to be relevant, but seriously the glory days weren't that glorious, i'm sorry but i'd rather not go back to the big hair,big guns, big muscles of the 90's the dark brooding gothic of the 80's or the gee old chum of the 60's and 70's
there is no way to please everyone
I think Joe Q stated somewhere a few months ago that fans were beginning to feel "event fatigue" and here the numbers show it. This explains the transition into the "Heroic Age" with less/no events. While the other Avengers titles have seen larger decreases in sales
percentages, Mighty still has the lowest amount of individual units sold.
I wish I didn't see that chart. Secret Warriors numbers are dangerously low. :(
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 17, 2010, 07:14:41 PM
we're screwed either way, yes modern comics are event after event, and try to push the boundaries to be relevant, but seriously the glory days weren't that glorious, i'm sorry but i'd rather not go back to the big hair,big guns, big muscles of the 90's the dark brooding gothic of the 80's or the gee old chum of the 60's and 70's
there is no way to please everyone
Word.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 17, 2010, 07:14:41 PM
we're screwed either way, yes modern comics are event after event, and try to push the boundaries to be relevant, but seriously the glory days weren't that glorious, i'm sorry but i'd rather not go back to the big hair,big guns, big muscles of the 90's the dark brooding gothic of the 80's or the gee old chum of the 60's and 70's
there is no way to please everyone
Beg to differ. On 70's comics, there was no "gee old chum" in the work of Gerber, Englehart, O'neil, McGregor or Starlin. Just well written comics.
The 80s and 90s had the likes of Alan Moore, Paul Chadwick, Will Eisner. Brilliant, life-affirming writers.
The glory days were pretty good..
But, there are some good and bad comics in every era, even this one.
And call me crazy, but if I sold a product with a circulation of less than 100,000 (more often 10-30,000), I'd actually
listen to those customers who were unhappy and had stopped buying my product, rather than give them the finger. Because whatever problems old-school fanbuoys like me may bring, we
were loyal, and spent the money year after year. All the "I was never interested in the Avengers till Bendis took over" types
still aren't interested in the Avengers, and you know what? Now that the Avengers are Spider-woman and Wolverine who spend 6 months of the year lying on the ground going "Aaargh! My Powers!",and the rest of the time chatting over chinese food, I'm not interested either.
And Marhawkman, sorry, but I really do have to be so gleeful. Been hearing for 7 years how big sales = great writing. Well, it doesn't. And now they have neither big sales, nor great writing. Hah!
If I may put in a word about those '60s comics:
I know Stan Lee gets demonized today, but I bet that most of the fanboys would have been excited as all get out to have bought 1960s Marvel comics off the rack (provided they had been born early enough). Stan was the first writer I remember who didn't "write down" to his audience. Of course, the way Stan was working at the time, it wasn't just Stan, but it was Stan and Jack, and Stan and Steve, and Stan and Don, and so on. A lot of what Stan and (fill in the blank), or Gardner Fox, or Ed Hamilton, or Alfred Bester, or John Broome, or Joe Gill, or any other of Stan's contemporaries wrote was fluff or garbage, but there were some gems... not all of it was a bunch of empty headed maniquins paling around and fighting harmless criminals with a "Gee Old Chum".
The same can be said of the '50s and the '40s, and probably the '30s.
I think everyone knew Spider-woman would be canceled because of A) how slow and behind it is in congruence with current Marvel, B) anyone can watch the whole thing for free, and C) the artist is working on something else as is Bendis. Nothing to be excited over.
But seriously, we know you dislike Bendis, we know I dislike Fraction's X-men, we know AA dislikes how Ares died; and we know Murs is upset with Deadpool's current treatment (and something about Pod here)... do you really have to go on about it all the time? It goes from being amusing to being annoying. Let's return to the "rant once a month" schedule, please. I honestly can't figure out why you follow Bendis related news so vehemently when you know you'll only be upset. Suffice it to say, this isn't a Bendis thread, but most of the time he's brought up, it's ironically by you. If you'd quit talking about him, then no one would comment on him. I think the thing that bothers me the most is that every time the thread gets back on track, typically by my own efforts, someone pops in and knocks it astray all over again with a comment that contributes nothing to the thread and offers nothing to discuss. If people at least did that, it wouldn't bother me nearly as much. Even worse is that I just made a comment a few weeks ago asking people to consider what they're posting when it came to their negativity.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 19, 2010, 09:52:39 PM
Haha! As much fun as it is to see you guys reaffirm your positions with current comics (again), this is a Marvel review/discussion thread, not a "abandon all hope ye who enter!" thread. I already expend enough energy in trying to keep the thread afloat; I don't need irrelevant negativity making it that much harder. Consider that for next time, please.
I would
really appreciate it if people could heed the message, and if they really feel compelled to rant with no reason, make a thread about it instead.
Daglob, Stan isn't really "demonized" today. It's just very apparent his writing style doesn't hold up well at all without it seeming very cheesy. He's a writer of his time, and there's no mistaking that his team-ups in his day made his work better and much more enjoyable than it has been in the past few years.
X23 #1Spoiler
I showed excitement over this book when I saw the previews, but did it hold up? Well, let's start off with the art. It's very stylized, and though I believe it worked in some of the scenes with the Gamemaster, other times I really disliked it. Since the book has two artists, I can't pinpoint whose style I semi-liked and whose I semi-disliked, so I'll just say the art was OK overall (it works best in the dream sequences). As for the story, Jubilee and Wolverine aren't as integral to the story as the previews would have you believe. The book, which is around 40 pages in length for 4 dollars (I approve), mostly focuses on X-23 and her feelings of not being "real" or complete. Interposed with this are remnants of her past being re-exposed to the reader and also some of her old friends from the NYX mini return. I guess the problem with this book is that there didn't really feel like their was a focused plot point outside of X23's return to cutting and her wanting to feel like a real person. Majorie Liu just seemed to be stuck in making us remember some of the past plots with X23 instead of actually moving this issue forward, and the scenes with Gamemaster seemed so forced to me. Being cryptic for cryptic's sake isn't going to do it for me. I need a purpose, Majorie. A real purpose for you bringing that villain into play. With that said, this was an issue heavy on emotion, so she wins on that front.
Regardless, I think it's a fairly good read if you're a fan of the character or are interested in learning about her without having to go through her history, otherwise pass.
2 (2.5?) out of 5. It really disappoints me that this was a One-shot instead of a mini considering the plot points introduced and then dropped. Of course, this could easily be followed up on, which may change my opinions. On the plus side, Laura had inner dialogue and some stuff happened in the book that should affect her growth a bit. As things stand, however, there's no where to put in said development. Ugh.
So, what do you all think, or what have you read this week?
Quote from: Previsionary on March 17, 2010, 11:48:36 PM
I think everyone knew Spider-woman would be canceled because of A) how slow and behind it is in congruence with current Marvel, B) anyone can watch the whole thing for free, and C) the artist is working on something else as is Bendis. Nothing to be excited over.
But seriously, we know you dislike Bendis, we know I dislike Fraction's X-men, we know AA dislikes how Ares died; and we know Murs is upset with Deadpool's current treatment (and something about Pod here)... do you really have to go on about it all the time? It goes from being amusing to being annoying. Let's return to the "rant once a month" schedule, please. I honestly can't figure out why you follow Bendis related news so vehemently when you know you'll only be upset. Suffice it to say, this isn't a Bendis thread, but most of the time he's brought up, it's ironically by you. If you'd quit talking about him, then no one would comment on him. I think the thing that bothers me the most is that every time the thread gets back on track, typically by my own efforts, someone pops in and knocks it astray all over again with a comment that contributes nothing to the thread and offers nothing to discuss. If people at least did that, it wouldn't bother me nearly as much. Even worse is that I just made a comment a few weeks ago asking people to consider what they're posting when it came to their negativity.
Quote from: Previsionary on February 19, 2010, 09:52:39 PM
Haha! As much fun as it is to see you guys reaffirm your positions with current comics (again), this is a Marvel review/discussion thread, not a "abandon all hope ye who enter!" thread. I already expend enough energy in trying to keep the thread afloat; I don't need irrelevant negativity making it that much harder. Consider that for next time, please.
I would really appreciate it if people could heed the message, and if they really feel compelled to rant with no reason, make a thread about it instead.
umm... yeah, see... my confusion was with the whole "The Marvel Thread" title and all, so I thought that news regarding the sales figures for, and cancellation of, Marvel comic books would be appropriate in this thread rather than that I start another. My bad.
Don't worry, this will be my last post in this thread.
I think Prev was referring to your continuous anti-Bendis "rants." Posting sales numbers is appropriate for this thread, at least in my eyes.
Hercules: Fall of an Avenger #1:
Spoiler
A day after the Prince of Power has died (again), Amadeus finds himself at The Parthenon in Athens to pay his respect to Hercules and to call out Athena for actions Amadeus suspects her of doing. Obviously, she doesn?t appear in the temple, but someone else does. Actually, more than someone, several heroes that were associated with Herc appear to pay their honor from Snowbird and Wolverine to Banner and his son. Thor gives a toast, reminds everyone of some of Herc?s greatest feats, and finishes his speech off with a tale from his childhood involving Hercules that takes place shortly after their first meeting. The story ends on a fairly humorous not, heh heh.
The anecdotes continues as Namor, Snowbird, Black widow, the Dark Elf, Namora, and Banner tell stories about why they loved Herc. Northstar was also there, but he had to go. Let?s just say his brief scene acknowledged a part of Herc?s history that isn?t spoken of these days. The book ends with Amadeus finally coming to terms with the loss of his best friend just seconds before Athena, Pluto, and several other gods appear in her temple and order the heroes out; She needs to speak to the new leader of the Olympus group?Amadeus Cho!
I loved this issue. It may have been a tribute to Herc, but Pak managed to work in some humor and still work in a lot of Herc?s most memorable moments. That scene where the Dark Elf from the Thorcules arc explained a *ahem* technique Hercules performed on her for 28 minutes and the looks on Namor, Wolverine, Snowbird, and Thor?s face was priceless. There?s no real plot to be found here, and there?s really no need for one until after Amadeus is pushed into his new status. The backup is another Atlas tale (written by Paul Tobin) that finds Athena and Namora tying up some loose ends revolving around Herc such as liquidating some of his forgotten holdings and telling the people he helped that he had passed (again).
Overall, tis a 4 for me. Very enjoyable read. If the art was slightly better in the main part, I?d give it a? 4.5. :P
Quote from: Previsionary on March 17, 2010, 11:48:36 PM
But seriously, we know you dislike Bendis, we know I dislike Fraction's X-men, we know AA dislikes how Ares died; and we know Murs is upset with Deadpool's current treatment (and something about Pod here)...
Yeah I don't really get angry much. I'm pretty easy going. The New X-Men cancellation and the Batgirl mess both got to me though.
The stated reason for Spider-Woman's cancellation was the amount of work involved in making a motion comic on Maleev. Which I can believe as most modern artist can only produce about 8-10 issues a year normally, so adding the rest of the work would keep the schedule behind. Still I'm sure sales figures played a role in it's end.
To my disappointment Avengers Academy has been said to not be a direct followup to Avengers: The Initiative as I'd hoped. It's supposed to be thematically similiar and carry over some characters, and I'll definitely try it out but the characters revealed so far haven't really grabbed me. Reptil seemed kinda cool in his one shot and Hazmat caught my eye but that's it at the moment. Still I liked Gage's work and I like McKone so I'm hoping for the best.
And to help keep this boat afloat I will post some short reviews:
Legacy:Spoiler
Rogue borrows the Cuckoos powers so they can try searching for the Phoenix (they fail) and goes about her day. She learns about Gambit's Death problem, has a steamy encounter with Magnus, and helps some of the students. She also picks up the thoughts of someone who's madly in love with her but doesn't find the source, though she does eliminate Bobby (Pod thinks it's Bling). She tells Gambit that she can't be with him now because she needs to maintain control to keep her powers in check, and he symbolizes lack of control in her.
It's the usual solid Carey issue. Art was alright, and I liked the use of the students particularly Rockslide. Carey writes a really good Magneto.
I give it a 4/5 on my meter.
Spider-Man:Spoiler
Norah and Peter watch as the new Rhino attacks the old Rhino and kills his wife in the process. This causes Alexsei, who'd been trying to live his life straight, to return to his costume and leave the man behind and become the animal. The two Rhino face off in a duel to the death. Despite Spider-Man's attempts to stop Alexsei brutally kills the new Rhino, blaming Spider-Man for what happened.
Really enjoyed this issue, and the first one that came before it a month or so back. It wasn't the outcome I wanted, but it was great regardless. I haven't read all of his appearances but I'd think this would be up at the top of best Rhino stories ever. Really enjoyed Max Fiumara art, him and Joe Kelly might be my favorite Spidey team right now (though Bachelo is coming up again...).
I really enjoyed this I'll give it a 5/5 on my scale.
Siege 3:Spoiler
The US government turns against Norman, and the Avengers show up and join the fight. Thor takes on the Sentry who is turning into some kind of horrible monster. Norman orders Sentry to destroy Asgard - which he does and it crashes onto the city below. Tony awakes and dawns an old armor and hacks the Iron Patriot armor allowing Spidey to punch out Osborn (who oddly is green skinned for no stated reason). Norman claims he was the only one protecting them from the Sentry who has now become some demonic creature - I assume this is the Void? I don't really know much about the Sentry. Someone want to fill me in maybe?
I didn't understand a couple things, but overall I enjoyed it. The Sentry makes a pretty good threat, and Copiel depiction of him was a highlight. Copiel is the real star here, his art has really improved since I first saw him in back in Red Zone. He's smoothed things out and looks kinda like a cross of Bachelo and Cheung - two of my favorites.
I dub thee a 4/5 with the art being the biggest factor.
Wow haven't done that much reviewing in a long time. Hope your happy Prev.
The thing I enjoyed so much about the Rhino story is:
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1. When I think about it, it's not just the best Rhino story I've ever read, it's possibly the only good one. With the arguable exception of Peter Milligan's Flowers for Rhino story in Tangled Web (which admittedly I didn't enjoy all that much, though I do consider it a strong effort), and the original two-issue story by Stan Lee and Jr Sr. Now admittedly my knowledge of his major appearances is pretty spotty, but I do know from reading the Marvel Essential line that unless he appeared in Spidey stories in Marvel Team Up or something, he didn't reappear in Spider-Man's books for over TWENTY years. I hear he fought the Hulk though so he probably made appearances in other books, which was a pretty common occurrence back then. Somewhere down the line, I wanna say 90's to early new millennium, the Rhino became the dumb guy Spidey tricked into crashing into a wall at the beginning of stories that weren't about the Rhino.
2. The thing about Flowers for Rhino, is that the entire story hinged on the fact that Rhino was of low intelligence. The story is about how different his life becomes once he temporarily becomes gifted with above average intelligence, and the story ends on a downer note with these developments undone, with the moral being that the guy can't escape the lot life's thrown at him. What I loved about Kelly's Rhino issues was that although it kinda contradicts every marvel story that ever portrayed Rhino as a dumb, uninteresting villain, it told what is almost a mirror opposite story to Flowers for Rhino - one where Rhino doesn't need exposure to any scientific or magical enhancements to make a better life for himself; and even though this story also ends on a downer note for Rhino, it IMO is still an incredible uplifting take on a character who prior to this story had very little potential, to the point that the Spidey cartoons and video games were presenting him as the dumb loser from almost the get-go. It's proof that all it takes a writer with a good idea to make a character interesting (like what DC did with Catman), and it is another story by Kelly during this run of Spidey that given me a respect for him as a writer I didn't even have when he wrote Deadpool, a book that many consider him to be the definitive writer on.
As for Siege: I really enjoyed it. The pace is decent for a Bendis book, and at the risk of mirroring Podmark's comments, Coipel's strong art boosts the book up a few levels. If the thing was drawn by Lenil Francis Yu for example (an artist I personally don't care for), I probably couldn't get into it at all.
One thing I found interesting about Norman is:
Spoiler
When you see his face without the armor, not only is his face green, but he has what looks like a set of teeth over his lips. My gut reaction is "makeup?", leading me to wonder if Bendis is trying to stretch the Osborne = Joker analogy further then he has before (in his original Illuminati one-shot, just before Civil War, he had Maria Hill say a speech about whether or not Spidey was responsible for "all those people the Green Goblin kills", an analogy that sounded more fitting to Batman/Joker than Spidey/GG). However, the fact that his face is treated as a big reveal (appearing at the turn of a page and taking up a large amount of it) makes me really unsure, leading me to guess that Osborne put on some kind of makeup or mask and the scene is supposed to show that the long awaited "Osborne's losing his cool" moment has arrived.
As for the Sentry:
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I found myself having to look at someone else's summary online to get a idea of what was really going on, but apparently what we were supposed to take from the issue was that Osborne's much hyped "secret weapon" was the Void, leaving me a bit disappointed and kinda scratching my head at whether this makes sense in light of what we've been shown before or not.
Quote from: Podmark on March 18, 2010, 03:55:31 AM
Wow haven't done that much reviewing in a long time. Hope your happy Prev.
No, I'm not. Do more. :P. No, I appreciate it, sir. ^^
I read Siege #3 and while it may have been MUCH better than issue #1 and slightly better than #2, it had quite a number of scenes that just didn't make sense for me as were mentioned by you guys already. I also thought the Sentry/Thor was fairly one-sided until Sentry snapped.
I'm also going to conclude, once and for all, that Brian Reed's Ms. Marvel work is out of continuity. I guess I wasn't the only one that saw little value in his work. *snark*
Siege is kinda cool to me in the way that it looks like by the end of it Loki will once again be responsible for the formation of the "real" Avengers :P
Poor guy,for being such a master trickster,seems to me he helps Thor more than hurt him.
Quote from: Bloodshadow on March 18, 2010, 08:12:44 AM
Siege is kinda cool to me in the way that it looks like by the end of it Loki will once again be responsible for the formation of the "real" Avengers :P
Poor guy,for being such a master trickster,seems to me he helps Thor more than hurt him.
Haven't read Siege... might do a TPB when/if... but I'd like to comment on Loki for a moment.
Depending on how you view the character and who's writing him, Loki's agenda has always been to upset the Status Quo for his own reasons and his feelings toward his half-brother are more complex than mere hatred.
Loki gains when Osborne overthrows the established order; he enjoys the chaos. But allowing Osborne to keep the upper hand would not be a gain for Loki in any way, shape, or form. I'm sure Loki had an evil smirk on his face every time Osborne had a setback.
Also, in many ways Loki is like the younger brother who loves to play tricks on his older sibling. To tweak his nose, break his toys, and see what he can get away with. If Thor is on the ropes (and Loki's not the one who put him there) he can't really gloat over it the way he'd like to. If Thor is in a position of strength and authority on the other hand, Loki can't do much to hurt him.
If you really want to follow the actual mythology to its' conclusion, Loki is ultimately responsible for the destruction of the entire world as we know it, along with the destruction of Asgard and the death of Thor. Anything less is just Loki playing for his own amusement.
siege kicked arse. i really think the shorter issue run it helping it a lot
i did think though that it would be an interesting idea if
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carnage was what caused sentry to finally go loopy, sentry ripped the Symbiote apart and it infects him but does it slowly. it's ainteresting left field twist so we know it's not gonna happen
Nah I don't see that being too likely, especially since Bendis said in an interview that "Carnage is crap". Since he made Ultimate Carnage in USM, I'm guessing it's the 616 version of the character he doesn't like. It also doesn't help that his portrayal of Carnage in New Avengers didn't match up with what we've seen before of the villain (i.e. there didn't seem to be a human bonded with the Symbiote when Sentry did what he did to him.) I think it would also probably render the Sentry developments in Dark Avengers or what have you pointless. Now, on the other hand, if he did end up doing that, I'd be kinda impressed.
Siege #3
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I enjoyed the art and the writing was solid. Osborne painting his face like GG wasn't nearly as much as a shock as it should've been. I think Dark X-Men really showed that Osborne's Goblin was very much active and very much ready to be raise to the surface again. If you read Dark Avengers 13-15 you'd know that the Void was revealed to be Osborne's ace. Dark Avengers also reveals that Sentry/Void's powers are based on some force that was wielded in Biblical times. I thought Sentry's statement of how "How many more Gods' do I have to kill" is telling to his existence. He's is a God-slayer - he slayed Ares and then destroyed Asgard. I know people hate Bendis but I've been reading the undertones of this story and I love it - it's new vs old, the God vs the gods. I've actually really enjoyed the developments of Sentry as a character but I ultimately think he never had a place in this world and this was his perfect exit. Not only because he's based on a powerset that just doesn't fit in Marvel (see Superman) but because it's the hero(es)'s journey and we'll see a return to the old mythology of the Marvel Universe. I'm excited for Bendis' Heroic Age titles. He made me buy comics again. I am excited to see what he's going to do with Luke Cage, Spider-man, and Wolverine. I'm equally excited to see his take on the classic Avengers (even if I hate the art).
I'm sure this thread will implode but whatever. I've always felt like comics were growing with me (I'm 27 now). I remember reading old Superboy/Superman comics when I was a 9 and I loved them because they were so fantastic, fun, and easy but as I grew I really started seeing comics are about change and telling a story. There are a lot of alternatives out there. I've particularly grown fond of Bendis' Ult Spider-man (this title is so much fun) and Marvel Adventure Avengers (was this cancelled?). Yeah it's a lot less serious but there is a lot less action and it is definitely more relatable for 60's and 70''s comic fans than more serious mainstream comics.
And as for Bendis' talking heads, I love it. If you don't, don't buy it. It really is that simple. I hate most of Geoff Johns' work but I'm not in the DC thread screaming about it. I do like Blackest Night but it's entirely novelty if you ask me. He's great at rehashing (this whole idea is Alan Moores) but he never knows how to end it. Look at JSA, Teen Titans, Superman, and Adventure Comics - these are all titles that relaunched sold a lot and just fizzled in a year or less but I never see I hate Johns' comment.
Personally, I'm waiting for the TPB, depending on how things turn out, but I am hoping Siege ends with
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Sentry either dead or depowered (as in no powers at all, not as in a lot less powerful) and Osborn outed and exposed so thoroughly he can never gain the kind of power he's had again. Norman Osborn needs to either be the Green Goblin, dead or both. (I've always thought that bringing him back was a huge mistake in the first place.)
I agree with AA and GM. Yeah, I hope people make comics for kids but I'm not angry that most comics are geared to somebody my age. Sucks for the industry, great for me, hahaha. I'm loving siege and I hope it ends with Norman as something other than the goblin. Give him armor, a disfigurement, make him something else. Make one of the 50 or so other people who have been a green (or hob, or demo) goblin the current one. Seriosly I think Norman can be the next Doctor Doom if treated right.
There is only one Victor Von Doom; Nobody, not even Norman Osborne, has close to Doom's ego, Doom's ambition, and Doom's potential. Doom's intellect is rivaled only by the likes of Reed Richards and the other great intellects of the MU. His technology and resources are as great or greater than Tony Stark's at the height of his career. And if technology should fail him? He turns to sorcery. He's no Dormammu, but his knowledge of magic is not to be scoffed at.
There is very little that Doctor Doom would not dare to do, given the opportunity. Look at how he managed to steal the Beyonder's power in Secret Wars as one example.
Furthermore, Doom is not mentally unbalanced. There's no psychotic personality lurking in the back of his psyche threatening to ruin his self-control and risk his schemes.
Doom's only real weakness is his ego, his conviction that no one else's genius could possibly be greater than his own or that no inferior intellect could possibly ruin his plans.
If Marvel would write Doom the way he should be written, Norman Osborne would look ridiculous in comparison and the Void would be just one more entity for Doom to outsmart and exploit.
Quote from: BlueBard on March 19, 2010, 01:21:04 PM
There is only one Victor Von Doom; Nobody, not even Norman Osborne, has close to Doom's ego, Doom's ambition, and Doom's potential. Doom's intellect is rivaled only by the likes of Reed Richards and the other great intellects of the MU. His technology and resources are as great or greater than Tony Stark's at the height of his career. And if technology should fail him? He turns to sorcery. He's no Dormammu, but his knowledge of magic is not to be scoffed at.
There is very little that Doctor Doom would not dare to do, given the opportunity. Look at how he managed to steal the Beyonder's power in Secret Wars as one example.
Furthermore, Doom is not mentally unbalanced. There's no psychotic personality lurking in the back of his psyche threatening to ruin his self-control and risk his schemes.
Doom's only real weakness is his ego, his conviction that no one else's genius could possibly be greater than his own or that no inferior intellect could possibly ruin his plans.
If Marvel would write Doom the way he should be written, Norman Osborne would look ridiculous in comparison and the Void would be just one more entity for Doom to outsmart and exploit.
Totally out of left field with this one.
i dont buy comics much anymore( just Thor ) so i come here for the low down on whats going on.couple questions...1.)how did herc die? 2.) how did ares die? 3.)did sentry and thor throw down?if so how did that battle play out? thanks!
Quote from: AfghanAnt on March 19, 2010, 01:22:46 PM
Quote from: BlueBard on March 19, 2010, 01:21:04 PM
There is only one Victor Von Doom; Nobody, not even Norman Osborne, has close to Doom's ego, Doom's ambition, and Doom's potential. Doom's intellect is rivaled only by the likes of Reed Richards and the other great intellects of the MU. His technology and resources are as great or greater than Tony Stark's at the height of his career. And if technology should fail him? He turns to sorcery. He's no Dormammu, but his knowledge of magic is not to be scoffed at.
There is very little that Doctor Doom would not dare to do, given the opportunity. Look at how he managed to steal the Beyonder's power in Secret Wars as one example.
Furthermore, Doom is not mentally unbalanced. There's no psychotic personality lurking in the back of his psyche threatening to ruin his self-control and risk his schemes.
Doom's only real weakness is his ego, his conviction that no one else's genius could possibly be greater than his own or that no inferior intellect could possibly ruin his plans.
If Marvel would write Doom the way he should be written, Norman Osborne would look ridiculous in comparison and the Void would be just one more entity for Doom to outsmart and exploit.
Totally out of left field with this one.
He was responding to my suggestion that Normie could aspire to a DR. DOOM style position, but it is ok if you skip my posts. Yeah, doom is certainly a more powerful character. He is also smarter, and more versatile, and probably more handsome by the time the heroes are done beating up norman for this. But I would love Norman to be a nation or world level threat at the end of this, a clever scheemer and not a guy on a glider throwing pumpkins at people.
As far as Doom goes, if Millar's run is taken into consideration (and I suppose it should after PAD made use of it *sigh*), then Doom has reached a point where he's over his rivalry with Reed Richards and his magic prowess has grown beyond 10 fold... he was also eaten, so there's that. At this very moment, Doom is seen as a big threat by several players in the Marvel universe because he's involved in 2 events (DOOMwar and Fall of Hulks), and he's doing something in X-factor I can't bring myself to care about.
Herodad, I reviewed the issue of Herc where he died, and AA (and others) reviewed the Ares death. We also were just talking about Thor/Sentry above... but:
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1. Herc died after finding himself bloody and bruised in an alternate universe that collapsed on itself after Athena destroyed the machinery creating the portal.
2. Ares was ripped in half, vertically, by Sentry in Siege #2
3. I... don't have the energy to do a play by play of thor/sentry. Sorry.
I wouldn't be against Osborn being something other than the Goblin. I enjoyed him as the Iron Patriot.
Quote from: Podmark on March 20, 2010, 12:40:13 AM
I wouldn't be against Osborn being something other than the Goblin. I enjoyed him as the Iron Patriot.
Same here... nobody wanted him back but I think they found a good niche for him.
And I've got a sentry theory:
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I think the sentry does not exist... it is 100% void. In other words the void is not a side effect of the sentry, but instead the sentry is the void granting selfish wishes to a weak person to totally get it's claws in him. I'm probably wrong but I do like this idea.
New book day!
Unfortunately, I doubt I'll be doing any today. However, Paul Cornell did an X-position a few days ago and this caught my eye:
Quote from: Paul Cornell, http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=253723) Do you have any idea where can we find out what will happen to Nate Grey (maybe "Second Coming")? Were you told what would happen to him after your book? Or were you just given the directive to have him locked up by the end?
I think Nick wanted to have him locked up; maybe that was in the brief, yes. Or at least, we decided on it towards the end of the process. I don't know what happens to him next. If there's an audience for a solo book, I'd love to write it.
Now, to be honest, I'm not a big fan of X-man (and I only began to like him recently), but if he ends up being the gateway into getting Paul on an ongoing... I'd take it. Heck, I still think the Dark X-men should be operating during the Heroic Age, post "Second Coming." It'd be a good way to develop those characters past the niches they found themselves in. I'd like to think of it as the X-men version of Thunderbolts.
Quote4) I have a weird question about a small detail here, but why was Nate's eye bandaged up at the end of the book? Maybe I don't know enough about the character, but does he derive some of his powers out of his ability to see from that eye?
That's his glowing eye, and following the torture...it may or may not be there anymore. Draw your own conclusions.
This, though, makes me think of Cable.
Double Post!
Can anyone explain to me why Marvel chooses to put event banners on every book they possibly can even if the book in question doesn't tie into the storyline at all? *looks at Mighty Avengers #35* What this book had in common with Siege was wrapped up 3 months ago. Please don't do that Marvel, and please don't use this book to bring back the real Wasp. There's just too much ridiculousness going on -- Ultron and his army of ten billion [Jocasta] brides! On the other hand, I suppose Dan Slott did good in tying everything into recent continuity. If only that had been a priority EARLIER.
I've sort of started to enjoy Mighty Avengers now because of the ridiculousness. At the very least it's surprising.
I hope Nate doesn't get screwed over... Taking out his eye shouldn't be a bother to someone who willed their own body into existence.
So, I broke my boycott on Uncanny for one issue to see how Kitty was going to return. It's funny how a book billed as "The Return of Kitty" is more about Cyclops and Magneto than it is about how Katherine is important to the X-men. This book was a giant cameo city as EVERYONE took a backseat to Cyclops and Magneto (this includes Kitty). Even Emma could only talk about Scott for several pages to a barely conscious Magneto. Look, I've come to the conclusion that Fraction consciously ignored all those safeguards Whedon put on that bullet to keep that poor girl in space, but the lead up to and actual collection of Kitty made no sense. And you know, Fraction also included a few pages of the Fantastic Four scolding the X-men for some decisions they made. Their cameo would have been much better served in the Kitty plot, me thinks, considering the circumstances Kitty finds herself in has already been solved by Reed before. Obviously, that was something I expected, so it didn't happen. The last 3 pages of the book, the aftermath, were wholly out of line with what I thought the book was supposed to be about. Everyone seemed to be in such a light, nonchalant mood despite what Kitty was going through. All I'm saying is I expected more emotion and this book to revolve around Kitty and her friends, not a mishmash of cameos in a story that somehow became about Cyclops. I get it... you like Cyclops, but there are 1,000 other characters in this book. Use them!
On the positive, the art was a minor step up (and the back up was even better as it was drawn by Phil Jimenez). Unfortunately, the backup story is sort of worthless even though the themes it plays with are pertinent to Kitty's time in space. (It also rose the price of the book by a dollar). If it had come earlier in a different book (I.E., when SWORD discovered Kitty was still phasing the bullet or just after Whedon wrote her out), it would have been better.
Uncanny X-men 522 is problematic for the new power level this bumps Magneto to. I mean, he manipulated an already-massive object moving at nearly the speed of light from interstellar distances. Sure, he had to try really hard, but that's kind of ridiculous.
Let's not forget that bullet was phased. I assume it was an oversight, but I really didn't put much thought into it because the bullet was stripped of all its magical properties that left the heroes a drooling mess the first time around.
Quote from: Talavar on March 26, 2010, 09:36:47 PM
Uncanny X-men 522 is problematic for the new power level this bumps Magneto to. I mean, he manipulated an already-massive object moving at nearly the speed of light from interstellar distances. Sure, he had to try really hard, but that's kind of ridiculous.
Which is really strange, as lately they've been portraying Magneto as getting on in years and no longer in the prime of his power.
I never expected Kitty to be gone all that long, nothing against Whedon (his arc was great) but the giant bullet just did not feel all that dramatic. As for Magneto he has done similar before although usually with some boost, like the time he was high on Kick tilting the earths axis. Still I've seen him manipulate dozens of nuclear warheads or move around satelites. What I'm saying is that it is not impossible for him, just a stretch that understandibly left him beat.
Quote from: lugaru on March 28, 2010, 03:53:48 AM
I never expected Kitty to be gone all that long, nothing against Whedon (his arc was great) but the giant bullet just did not feel all that dramatic. As for Magneto he has done similar before although usually with some boost, like the time he was high on Kick tilting the earths axis. Still I've seen him manipulate dozens of nuclear warheads or move around satelites. What I'm saying is that it is not impossible for him, just a stretch that understandibly left him beat.
The confusion comes in with the fact that this is the same writer that showed Magneto having difficulty keeping an island afloat... so why is that hard for him, but using his magnetism to reach "millions of light years" into space is essentially a wait 'n see game? Also, as I said before, that bullet was phased the entire time. He shouldn't have been affecting it at all. :P
DP...
Anyone get any comics this week that they want to summarize and/or review? I'm particularly interested to see what people thought of X-men: Second Coming. I saw the previews and, I like Kyle and Yost, but Hope was being so whiny in it. Whinier that she ever was in "Cable."
Quote from: BlueBard on March 19, 2010, 01:21:04 PMThere is only one Victor Von Doom; Nobody, not even Norman Osborne, has close to Doom's ego, Doom's ambition, and Doom's potential. Doom's intellect is rivaled only by the likes of Reed Richards and the other great intellects of the MU. His technology and resources are as great or greater than Tony Stark's at the height of his career. And if technology should fail him? He turns to sorcery. He's no Dormammu, but his knowledge of magic is not to be scoffed at.
There is very little that Doctor Doom would not dare to do, given the opportunity. Look at how he managed to steal the Beyonder's power in Secret Wars as one example.
Furthermore, Doom is not mentally unbalanced. There's no psychotic personality lurking in the back of his psyche threatening to ruin his self-control and risk his schemes.
Doom's only real weakness is his ego, his conviction that no one else's genius could possibly be greater than his own or that no inferior intellect could possibly ruin his plans.
If Marvel would write Doom the way he should be written, Norman Osborne would look ridiculous in comparison and the Void would be just one more entity for Doom to outsmart and exploit.
YEP! Also Doom is the MU's foremost expert in mixing tech and magic.
Alright I'll give some reviews.
X-Force:
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Selene absorbs the resurrected souls and becomes like a god. X-Force covers themselves with ash to protect themselves from magic and go to fight Selene and her minions. Wolverine and X-23 kill Senyaka, Wolfsbane maims Mortis, Archangel slashes Blink, and Elixir kills Wither. Mortis and Blink escape. X-Force tries to fight Selene and Warpath kills with the spirit dagger. Afterwards Wolverine tells Cyclops that Warpth, Wolfsbane, Elixir and X-23 are leaving X-Force. We're told that some of the resurrected escaped but we're not told who or how many.
I enjoyed this issue, it was a nice conclusion to the storyline. The fights each got at least a page and were conclusive. Crain is his usual murky inconsistent self on art.
I liked this issue, I'll give it a 4/5. Could probably go to 5 on my simple scale if the art was a little better.
New Mutants:
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Dani becomes a Valkyrie to complete her deal with Hela and takes the dead to Hel during Siege.
This was...complete a total filler. It's a harmless but pointless story. Art is ok.
This was a 2/5. I probably should have skipped it.
Second Coming 1:
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Cable returns to the present with Hope. They return to the mansion and don't know where the X-Men are or if they're even alive. Bastion somehow knows where they are and dispatches the Right and the Sapien League to kill them. The Cuckoos detect Cable and Cyclops sends a team to retrieve him. They're one step behind but are able to save them from the Sapien League. Nightcrawler is shocked when X-23 brutally kills a defeated opponent to get another to talk. The secret of X-Force is about to come out. Cable and Hope are still on the run.
I thought this was a pretty good start. I wish a little more happened in it, but thats a standard comment against most comics these days. Art was nice. Looking forward to more.
I liked it, 4/5.
I was very pleased with the ending to Necrosha and the beginning of Second Coming.
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I thought it was great Kyle & Yost used Native American mythology/beliefs as part of the story. Greek and Norse have such a strong place in Marvel, so why not the beliefs of indigenous tribes? Especially when they date back much further. I was hoping at the end John would have been brought back, but I'm not disappointed. Yost and Kyle did a good job with him and more than likely did the right thing by keeping him dead. Also, more Blink sometime in the future!
Second Coming puts a lot of things in motion, that's why I liked it so much. The x-titles seemed to have been going at a turtle's pace waiting for this event to happen.
Cloak & Dagger #1 (2):
I know AA is really in love with these characters, but I've barely been exposed to them despite knowing of their existence for years. Did this one-shot do anything to change my opinion of the characters? No. It didn't. In fact, this one shot did nothing for me, and it did even less for the characters except shuffle them out of Utopia and give them a potential new enemy on the off chance another writer picks them up. That's a long shot, me thinks, unless Marvel already has something in store for them. Like I said about the X-23 mini (which was miles better), if this was a mini, I could understand some of the plot decisions this book went with, but as a one shot, it doesn't really work for me at all.
As for what actually happened in the book, Cloak and Dagger are slowly drifting apart from each other. Dagger wants to find somewhere where she belongs, and she hopes that she's a mutant and can fit in with the X-men, and Cloak doesn't feel comfortable with mutant kind and instead finds relief in visiting his old block (and girlfriend). That's the basis of the next 20 pages of non-resolved drama except I'm leaving out the cliche'd elements and the villain plot. I actually don't even remember the name of the particular anti-mutant group (pro "reform"), so that should tell you how much of an impact they had on me as a reader and the story in general.
As for the portrayal of the X-men, I really like that more writers are using the New X-men and are continuing to develop them since they are without a home (though Carey seems to love a few of them in Legacy). However, on the same token, quite a few writers are removing Cyclops's human elements and are making him way too "leader" oriented to the point where he doesn't recognize when other characters actually need his help. It makes me wonder if the X-writers are attempting to prop up Storm as the next leader of the X-men like she was in the 80s. All in all, it's a cute story that's majorly lacking in the plot and development area. If you're a fan of the characters, you'll probably enjoy this book. As a non-fan, this won't give you anything to latch onto; it's just there. 2 out of 5.
AA, I'm really interested in seeing what you thought of the comic. :P
P.S., if you read the Trio #1 script, definitely give #2 a browse (http://frp.unlimited2.net/ultimate-trio-issue-2/), if you don't mind. ^^.
I liked the one-shot a lot. Yeah the story was blah but the art and character development on Cloak end (it was nice to know Dagger needs his darkness just as much as he needs her light). I didn't particularly like the way Dagger was portrayed especially when in the past she and Cloak was given an opportunity to join the X-Men (the New Mutants days) but turned it down. The revelation that they aren't mutants didn't shock me, in fact Dagger stated she wasn't a mutant to Norman because the Dark X-Men mini so I'm not sure why she would go through test to confirm what she already knew. I was a little shocked at Cyclops' behavior and pleased at Storm's. I'd much rather have her leading the X-Men instead of Cyke (Storm still married?).
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 04, 2010, 01:38:55 PM
I'd much rather have her leading the X-Men instead of Cyke (she Storm still married?).
She was last time I checked (In Doom War). Personally I would love to see a Black Panther / Storm lead international team outside of US jurisdiction (would have made more sense during civil war) but Storm leading x-men would rock... she has lost a lot of relevance to me now that I rarely see her.
New comic week. Anyone get anything? I'm curious about WWHs #1 as I wanted to read it, despite my better judgment, just to see how it lined up against WWH by Greg Pak.
New Avengers: Luke Cage #1 (3)This is a book for Luke Cage fans through and through and it allows us to look at Luke through his Power Man days and see some of the reasons he opened Heroes for Hire and the effect he had on his community. Make no mistake, this isn't a flashback series, as the book is firmly planted in the present; it just allows us to see some smaller moments that may have been forgotten after Bendis got his hands on the character. I find it intriguing to see this character written by others because I've never been super fond of what he's become in New Avengers, and his scenes in Thunderbolts were mostly played for laughs. John Arcudi, a writer I've never heard of, has a solid take on all of the characters involved and nothing seemed out of whack from what I know. The art is kind of exaggerated and I wouldn't say it really fits the book completely, but it doesn't detract from it either. However, I'm constantly wondering if Marvel has editors because 2 errors slipped through on this book. There was a writing error (small) in one of the last pages and Hammerhead is colored incorrectly near the beginning. These may be small omissions, but they were also easily catchable. It lowers the quality of the book a bit in my eyes.
As for the story, it revolves around Luke heading to Philadelphia to investigate what happened to a kid whose mother he once helped. It also sprinkles in some New Avenger action, some relationship drama with him and Jessica and how they've changed over the years, and it ends on a cliffhanger that does nothing to make the book interesting or endearing. Despite some of its shortcomings, it's a decent read. I rate it a 3. Grab it if you're looking for solo Luke action.
Good news, everyone!
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She-hulk is alive and trapped in a containment tube. The Shulk that died? A LMD... that strangely had bones, blood, and was trying to contact Bruce. Go figure.
Shield #1First, hats off to artist Dustin Weaver. Where in the world has he been hiding? This issue has some of the most breath taking art I have ever seen in a comic.
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Now to the tale. The book opens up with a young man, Leodis, late teens/early, twenties being picked up by members of a secret society. He is later brought to this society's base of operations. Where the leaders of this society give him a verbal tour of untold historic moments in the Marvel U. But, these moments have historical figures of our own history book saving the planet. Such as Imhotep saving Earth from a Brood infestation by slaying the Brood Queen. There are others involving Galileo, Da Vinci and Zhang Heng. As the series progresses, I'm sure these moments will be expanded on as well as other moments being revealed. However, the series will more than likely focus on Leodis, who seems to have a super natural power of his own and role he is expected to fulfill similar to those who have defended the planet from annihilation.
This issue was filled with surprise, mystique, wonder, and most importantly, ingenuity. Coupled with the incredible art of Dustin Weaver, this was a blast. Hopefully the series can continue giving off this feeling of exploration and wonder. Using the standard
Prev-O-Meter, I give this issue a
5 out of 5.
Dustin Weaver did art for the Kingbreaker mini, and an arc for Legacy, and he's done some amazing covers for Nation X. I was actually quite disappointed that he left the X-Office. I was hoping he would takeover Legacy or New Mutants. I like his work, and he improved since his first work.
I also really enjoyed SHEILD. It might be obvious, but who else thinks that:
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SHEILD series leads up to the reformation of SHEILD in the marvel U ====> Steve Rogers gets put in charge/in a key position ====> starts using Imhotep's sheild?
I enjoyed Shield as well. Hopefully the next few issues are just as strong, and since Hickman has 3 Marvel books under his belt, he can obviously make some of his work stick.
Meanwhile, Captain Britain is up for a HUGO award, so if you've never read the book, you can check out issue 10 and 11 (beginning of Vampire State) online for free (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.11927.captain_britain_and_mi13_up_for_hugo_award). Give it a read, please.
Quote from: Podmark on April 08, 2010, 11:28:01 PM
Dustin Weaver did art for the Kingbreaker mini, and an arc for Legacy, and he's done some amazing covers for Nation X. I was actually quite disappointed that he left the X-Office. I was hoping he would takeover Legacy or New Mutants. I like his work, and he improved since his first work.
I haven't read Legacy or Nation X, except for the issue with Doop and Warpath on the cover. But ya, he's improved a lot since Kingbreaker and I thought the art on that mini was pretty good to begin with.. I really love all the easter eggs he threw in Shield.
Quote from: Zippo on April 09, 2010, 12:02:28 AM
I also really enjoyed SHEILD. It might be obvious, but who else thinks that:
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SHEILD series leads up to the reformation of SHEILD in the marvel U ====> Steve Rogers gets put in charge/in a key position ====> starts using Imhotep's sheild?
I hope so, he'd be the right man for the job.
http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/38157.htm/
Thought youalls might be interested.
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Quote from: The Hitman on April 09, 2010, 09:10:43 PM
http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/38157.htm/
Thought youalls might be interested.
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I like him as an avenger but this is a stunt for a mini series, I'm sure. Still anyone remember the story when he askeed Hank McCoy if he was a mutant and if he had a kid with MJ would the kid be a mutant and hank basically said Yes since Peters DNA is altered.
I saw that yesterday, and from what I saw on said site, this is being set up as a one shot team-up. Of course, that could be wrong. We'll see in a few days.
Speaking of Hank, how does everyone feel about Beast being an Avenger again, albeit a Secret one?
sums it up really, my dad picked up my copy of seconding coming and asked when the hell did jean go back to being a kid
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on April 09, 2010, 09:31:44 PM
sums it up really, my dad picked up my copy of seconding coming and asked when the hell did jean go back to being a kid
"Out of the mouths of old readers" People cant be blamed for the Hope/Jean thing, she is a godess of mutants in the x-universe.
As for Hank as an avenger well Hank is one of my alltime favorite characters and growing up one of my friends nicknamed me Hank McCoy (because Im smart but hairy as heck). I will follow him to whatever book he goes an he brings science + mutant drama + smart humor + a moral compass to whatever book he goes (provided the writer is good).
i have a confession to make
i picked up deadpool corps, i thought liefeld on did the cover and i'll give it a chance. but bloody hell i haven't even read the thing it hurts my eye so much, seriously what the hell. how does this get past quality control
Quote from: The Hitman on April 09, 2010, 09:10:43 PM
http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/38157.htm/
Thought youalls might be interested.
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That is the stupidest thing I've heard yet.
Is he a scientifically altered human? An avatar for mystical spidey-ness? A mutant?
Or is he possibly a mutant with the power to draw on magical spider deities whose latent mutation was triggered by radiation?
Or maybe this belongs in the 'Traditions' thread... "We will retcon some aspect of Spider-Man's origin, history, or powers on a regular basis."
Puh-leaze. Dumb premise if that's the hook, hopefully the actual story is better.
Spidey doesn't HAVE to be a mutant. Guys like Mimic and Juggernaut were x-men for a while too. Plus Peter has a bit of a history with wolverine, it's not outside the realm of possibility that he's just helping them out for a while as a favor or something, no crazy retconning involved.
I wouldn't worry about it BlueBard. Spider-Man (Or She-Hulk if you've seen the newest one (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25673)) won't be joining the X-Men full-time. At best this is a publicity stunt or it's short term team-up. Maybe they're launching an X-Men team-up book.
There are already over 30 X-Men on the team right now (and they're not killing that many), they're not going to be adding a random Spider-Man to the team. Besides Spidey lives in NY while the X-Men are confirmed to still be in San Fran post Second Coming. What I do take from these promos is that Psylocke and Magneto are staying on the team post SC.
Quote from: Zippo on April 12, 2010, 08:00:51 PM
Spidey doesn't HAVE to be a mutant. Guys like Mimic and Juggernaut were x-men for a while too. Plus Peter has a bit of a history with wolverine, it's not outside the realm of possibility that he's just helping them out for a while as a favor or something, no crazy retconning involved.
Spider-man has a history with the X-men in general (going all the way back to the O5). Wolverine is just his closest association these days. Back during the 70s/80s, Spidey would appear periodically in the X-books... usually, Arcade was involved (see the NC/Spidey team up, UXM #122-124, or the infamous Captain Britain (an obvious associate to the X-men)/Spidey team up).
lugaru, i'm also a big beast fan.i loved him as an avenger. i really like his friendship with wonderman and wish he'd go back to is blue ape look.my gripe with writers on him is despite his brains,brawn, and training over the years he was almost always( besides the vision) the first man taken down.*sigh* no beast love!
Hope and Blade are the latest X-Men. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25693)
There's no way Spider-Man, She-Hulk, and Blade are joining the team, so it's either an arc guest starring the MU or they're launching an X-Men team-up book. More info is supposed to come during C2E2 this weekend.
@Prev: They've done some absurdly "detailed" LMDs in the past. Once Fury showed Wolvie and Storm LMDs of themselves that Wolverine couldn't tell were fake except by the way they acted.
@Zippo: Mimic IS a mutant. A better example would be Carol Danvers.
@Pod: Blade? now things get really interesting. The only connection I can think of off the top of my head comes from the 90s Spiderman. In it one of Blade's enemies was a telekinetic mutant who became a vampire.
Quote from: herodad1 on April 12, 2010, 09:21:12 PM
lugaru, i'm also a big beast fan.i loved him as an avenger. i really like his friendship with wonderman and wish he'd go back to is blue ape look.my gripe with writers on him is despite his brains,brawn, and training over the years he was almost always( besides the vision) the first man taken down.*sigh* no beast love!
That made me laugh, although he gets taken out a bit in the rumble room too. Still I give him some rule bending powers (curing status effects and shorting enemy powers) to represent his science and that makes him quite helpful.
As for "cat beast" as people call him a lot these days it is strange... I like the character more than ever (he was never 1 dimensional but he is a bit more complex now) BUT some artists draw his new shape terribly. Too much room for interpretation or something. I do also like the fact that they are exploring his internal life a little, like using poetry to fight off mind control and the fact that he is reclaiming his sex life. It would be interesting if Agent Brand became an avenger too... hmm...
On the updated lineup:
Magneto: a no brainer for me. Hope they can pin him down for a while without killing, cloning or neutralizing him. Also I would prefer if he stays a hero... I prefer him as a villain but I hate his constant change of sides. I would not mind if he becomes the new centrist "xavier" under Cykes philosophy of militant isolation as opposed to Xaviers Pacifism or Magnetos war on humanity.
Savage Shulk: I dont like her or most of the hulk spin off characters that came out of nowhere recently. I would not mind if Jen was on the team on the other hand. At lest this will keep this character busy.
Blade: :blink: wait... :blink: ... Ok... I would love to see him on a team Book but I hope they dont retconn him into a vampire Namor. "He is a daywalker therefore a mutant vampire".
I remember a comment once to the effect that some Marvel characters who were not X-Men had the mutant power to sell scores of comics just by appearing on the cover ;)...
... WAIT!...
I can see it now-they bring back Blade, Werewolf by Night, Monster of Frankenstein, The Zombie, and assorted old Atlas monsters re-define them as mutants-and they become the X-Monsters, combatting the newly discovered mutant menace that is Dracula...
... and I can't wait to see Xemnu in the new Brotherhood of Evil Mutant Monsters...
Blade won't be on the X-men. I'm pretty sure it's already been said that Blade and his GF/MI13 teammate Spitfire will be busy with their own undercover mission around the time the Avengers relaunch. In fact, it's been hinted at that a member of the MI13 will join, or at least appear in, one of the Avenger books. I'm thinking it'll be Dane and/or Excalibur.
Daglob, I know you were making a joke (going along with that extreme mentality) but... The X-men have already battled Dracula (he was just defeated recently by Blade and his crew), and he's already deeply intertwined with X-baddie Apocalypse... obviously Dracula should come back, bite Apocalypse, then begin a new movement for the survival of mutant/vampyric kind! Good idea, no?
Lugaru, vampire Namor? That... is a horrible thought. :P
Marhawk, yeah. but it doesn't make that giant hole in the plot any smaller, considering it tried to contact Bruce for reasons unknown and it was only made to "test" Red Shulk. I just can't imagine The Leader and Samson making something so complex and life-like that they'd let it "escape," beat up and/or kill some of their men, contact the enemy alerting them of trouble, and then allow it to be killed only to reveal as casually as possible to Red Shulk that it was a robot.
Mmm... fan made one stolen from another forum, I loved this one:
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/04/wearexmen01.jpg)
Quote from: daglob on April 13, 2010, 06:47:06 PM
I can see it now-they bring back Blade, Werewolf by Night, Monster of Frankenstein, The Zombie, and assorted old Atlas monsters re-define them as mutants-and they become the X-Monsters, combatting the newly discovered mutant menace that is Dracula...
... and I can't wait to see Xemnu in the new Brotherhood of Evil Mutant Monsters...
The Punisher (FrankenCastle) is actually doing this, I'm not lying. All the characters you mention (+ Morbious) are back as a minority persecuted by callous fanatical monster hunters.
Quote from: lugaru on April 13, 2010, 07:41:05 PM
Mmm... fan made one stolen from another forum, I loved this one:
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/04/wearexmen01.jpg)
Heh, nice. You know, he's in Marvel Zombies 5 #1 this week. Has anyone read that yet? Is it good?
Quote from: marhawkman on April 13, 2010, 06:32:25 PM
@Prev: They've done some absurdly "detailed" LMDs in the past. Once Fury showed Wolvie and Storm LMDs of themselves that Wolverine couldn't tell were fake except by the way they acted.
@Zippo: Mimic IS a mutant. A better example would be Carol Danvers.
@Pod: Blade? now things get really interesting. The only connection I can think of off the top of my head comes from the 90s Spiderman. In it one of Blade's enemies was a telekinetic mutant who became a vampire.
Mimic is not a mutant. He's a mutate.
QuoteThe original Mimic as created by Stan Lee and Werner Roth was not a mutant, but received his powers after breathing in some gas during an explosion in his father's laboratory. Later X-Men writer Scott Lobdell claimed it merely awakened and enhanced Mimic's latent mutant powers, but this point is never made in the comics themselves and remains a point of discussion.
http://marvel.com/universe/Mimic_(Calvin_Rankin)
Jeff Parker and Kev Walker discuss the new Tbolts team including concept art for the characters. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25706)
I kinda dig some of the concept art. It's hard to explain but some of them really appeal to me. The Cage and Juggernaut ones particularly. Also it's nice and rare to see a team set of concept art.
I read this earlier. I absolutely love the sketches. It's unlikely, but I hope Walker uses that style for the series. Also, that article has me super pumped for the series now.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 14, 2010, 01:23:39 AM
Quote from: marhawkman on April 13, 2010, 06:32:25 PM
@Prev: They've done some absurdly "detailed" LMDs in the past. Once Fury showed Wolvie and Storm LMDs of themselves that Wolverine couldn't tell were fake except by the way they acted.
@Zippo: Mimic IS a mutant. A better example would be Carol Danvers.
@Pod: Blade? now things get really interesting. The only connection I can think of off the top of my head comes from the 90s Spiderman. In it one of Blade's enemies was a telekinetic mutant who became a vampire.
Mimic is not a mutant. He's a mutate.
QuoteThe original Mimic as created by Stan Lee and Werner Roth was not a mutant, but received his powers after breathing in some gas during an explosion in his father's laboratory. Later X-Men writer Scott Lobdell claimed it merely awakened and enhanced Mimic's latent mutant powers, but this point is never made in the comics themselves and remains a point of discussion.
http://marvel.com/universe/Mimic_(Calvin_Rankin)
Thanks AA, I knew I wasn't just going crazy!
Edit: Also, Luke Cage's new design really reminds me of the Raikage from Naruto, if anyone is familiar.
Spoiler
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm176/mrniceash/raikage.jpg)
I'm sorry, but that is hideous.
I would have never expected thunderbolts to become an ongoing staple of the Marvel Universe, but it is consistently one of my favorite books. I like the idea of a team of criminals who Luke Cage can kick around if they get out of line, but Juggs is going to be a problem in that sense. Which is great, Juggernaut and Crossbones are two of my favorite villains (Juggs goes back and forth though).
Quote from: Zippo on April 14, 2010, 04:33:00 AM
Edit: Also, Luke Cage's new design really reminds me of the Raikage from Naruto, if anyone is familiar.
Spoiler
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm176/mrniceash/raikage.jpg)
lmao that's hilarious. I just barely see it though. Mostly the gauntlets.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 14, 2010, 01:23:39 AMQuote from: marhawkman on April 13, 2010, 06:32:25 PM@Prev: They've done some absurdly "detailed" LMDs in the past. Once Fury showed Wolvie and Storm LMDs of themselves that Wolverine couldn't tell were fake except by the way they acted.
@Zippo: Mimic IS a mutant. A better example would be Carol Danvers.
@Pod: Blade? now things get really interesting. The only connection I can think of off the top of my head comes from the 90s Spiderman. In it one of Blade's enemies was a telekinetic mutant who became a vampire.
Mimic is not a mutant. He's a mutate.QuoteThe original Mimic as created by Stan Lee and Werner Roth was not a mutant, but received his powers after breathing in some gas during an explosion in his father's laboratory. Later X-Men writer Scott Lobdell claimed it merely awakened and enhanced Mimic's latent mutant powers, but this point is never made in the comics themselves and remains a point of discussion.
http://marvel.com/universe/Mimic_(Calvin_Rankin)
That is a good point, but the current version of the character IS a mutant. The page you linked states later on that Calvin lost his powers alongside the Mutant members of the brotherhood when the High Evolutionary decided to turn off the X-gene....
Quote from: marhawkman on April 14, 2010, 02:16:05 PM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 14, 2010, 01:23:39 AMQuote from: marhawkman on April 13, 2010, 06:32:25 PM@Prev: They've done some absurdly "detailed" LMDs in the past. Once Fury showed Wolvie and Storm LMDs of themselves that Wolverine couldn't tell were fake except by the way they acted.
@Zippo: Mimic IS a mutant. A better example would be Carol Danvers.
@Pod: Blade? now things get really interesting. The only connection I can think of off the top of my head comes from the 90s Spiderman. In it one of Blade's enemies was a telekinetic mutant who became a vampire.
Mimic is not a mutant. He's a mutate.QuoteThe original Mimic as created by Stan Lee and Werner Roth was not a mutant, but received his powers after breathing in some gas during an explosion in his father's laboratory. Later X-Men writer Scott Lobdell claimed it merely awakened and enhanced Mimic's latent mutant powers, but this point is never made in the comics themselves and remains a point of discussion.
http://marvel.com/universe/Mimic_(Calvin_Rankin)
That is a good point, but the current version of the character IS a mutant. The page you linked states later on that Calvin lost his powers alongside the Mutant members of the brotherhood when the High Evolutionary decided to turn off the X-gene....
Actually the only version of Mimic that is a mutant is the Exile version. When Highly Evolutionary turn-off the x-gene Mimic merely lost the powers of the original five X-Men. We were never told if he lost his mimicry powers. In fact, the only powers Dark X-Men Mimic has displayed are Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, and Iceman. He has not been shown using Telekinesis/Telepathy with the exception of his encounter with Nate Grey and we were told he tapped into Nate's powers. When Jean Grey died, Mimic's imprint on her ceased - I think this proves that when he lost his powers during the High Evolutionary storyline it was because the original X-Men lost their powers and not him.
The main reason I'm arguing his mutantness is I don't like the fact that he was retconned as a mutant when he original origin was fine. It's like they made him a mutant to make him cool when he was cool from the get-go.
Plus Cerebro never once detected him as a mutant and he's not listed on the 198 (which is the most current roster of the Marvel 616 mutants), therefore no x-gene.
*explodes*
He was a mutant, then they retconed that so he wasn't, then they retconed the retcon so that he's a mutant again?
*explodes moar*
i cant see juggernaut on any team.he's indestructable.who's gonna give him a run for his money?he's better as a villian.i'd rather see someone like rhino on the line-up.
I love Rhino, I would not mind seeing him or other classic spidey villains on the team. Honestly when a villain is "humble" enough (street thug with powers) they are not too hard to drop on a hero team. I did like Jugs on excalibur though, so I'm giving it a chance.
As for Mimic: wow that is convoluted. Still I really fell in love with the Exiles version of the character so I would love to see them use the 616 version more. You know... keep him in that nebulous Thunderbolts hero/villain area and write him well. Also it would be fun to watch him play with some other powers much like the Exiles version did, it was cool to watch him drift from one build to another over time.
Herodad, no chance you'll see Rhino on any team for awhile. He's a big ball of rage after what happened to him in his last Spidey appearance.
Anyway, two more avengers have been revealed:
Moonknight (See, Murs... I was right) and Valkryie: http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.11916.they_are_secret_avengers
Quote from: lugaru on April 14, 2010, 07:04:59 PM
Still I really fell in love with the Exiles version of the character...
One of my all time favorites. I wish Marvel would pull a DC and bring him to the "regular" universe from his alternate universe.
Quote from: Previsionary on April 14, 2010, 08:57:43 PM
Moonknight (See, Murs... I was right)
What was my guess? Spawn?
Oh god so I was right about Valkyrie being a Secret Avenger. I am actually not happy with this team so far. Sure people love Beast but he would be just as lovable as a X-Man. Too bad Friction seem to think on an island full of interesting mutants the only ones worthy of the spotlight are Cyke, Emma, Namor, Wolverine and the X-Clubers (it annoys me that he forces artists to draw like 50 random mutants in the background) and Carey is obsession with Rogue is finally losing me.
I hope after Second Coming the X-Men go back to some sort of status quo. I just find it odd that 75% of the people on Utopia have followed Xavier's dream for so many years decide to abandon it and push Charlie in the background so Cyclops and Magneto can fight over control as Emma and Namor flirt, Wolverine stab things, and Dr Nemesis says snarky to a New/Young X-Man.
Though I've been enjoying Astonishing X-Men recently because of Phil Jimenez gorgeous art. The story is not bad but Warren could do better. I do commend him for having his X-Men do something though.
hey, what happened to RHINO?
Quote from: herodad1 on April 14, 2010, 11:25:38 PM
hey, what happened to RHINO?
Spoiler
He went straight and got married. Rhino 2.0 kept trying to get him to crack, become Rhino 1.0 again, and fight him to see who was really worthy of the mantly. Rhino 1.0 refused and tried to go into hiding with Spidey's help, swearing off his bad behavior for good. Rhino 2.0 couldn't take no for an answer and killed Rhino 1.0's wife. Rhino 1.0 snapped, donned his costume, fought Rhino 2.0, and killed him. He also blamed everything that happened on Spider-man.
Part of the Secret Avengers lineup has been revealed:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/04/14/that-secret-avengers-roster-in-full/
Notice Steve's new (horrible) costume and the presence of Nova. I hope that doesn't mean his title is over.
Also I don't know what to make of this team. It seems like a random mishmash of characters. What exactly will be secret about them?
I can see Steve, Beast, and War Machine hooking up to form the foundation of an Avengers team but the others seem so peculiar. Still, very much looking forward to this. Is Steve the new Fighting American?
"We got any leftover characters lying around that we could put in a comic and make some money off of?"
Then again, that sentiment is more or less what produced The Avengers in the first place...
...and Steve DOES look like The Fighting American. Are those sai's on his back?
Quote from: Podmark on April 15, 2010, 04:58:51 AM
Part of the Secret Avengers lineup has been revealed:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/04/14/that-secret-avengers-roster-in-full/
Notice Steve's new (horrible) costume and the presence of Nova. I hope that doesn't mean his title is over.
Also I don't know what to make of this team. It seems like a random mishmash of characters. What exactly will be secret about them?
Yeah, I don't know how you're going to keep that bunch a secret. War Machine and Nova aren't exactly stealthy, for one thing. Except for Steve Rogers, the rest are immediately identifiable in costume and will be 'outed' the first time they're seen together by anyone. Secret probably isn't secret identity or infiltration, since Hank McCoy can't easily conceal those beastly looks.
I'll admit to being curious about what the 'Secret' part is.
Quote from: BlueBard on April 15, 2010, 01:40:27 PM
Yeah, I don't know how you're going to keep that bunch a secret. War Machine and Nova aren't exactly stealthy, for one thing. Except for Steve Rogers, the rest are immediately identifiable in costume and will be 'outed' the first time they're seen together by anyone. Secret probably isn't secret identity or infiltration, since Hank McCoy can't easily conceal those beastly looks.
I'll admit to being curious about what the 'Secret' part is.
I'm wondering the same thing, 'cause being stealthy doesn't seem to be a sharing attribute these characters have. Perhaps there's a hidden threat the general public doesn't know about and they're trying to stop it. The only other book with "Secret" in its title has Nick Fury dealing with a long forgotten clandestine organization and a secretly re-forming HYDRA, both threats are unknown to anyone. That's my only guess about the direction of the book.
Quote from: murs47 on April 15, 2010, 02:52:56 PM
I'm wondering the same thing, 'cause being stealthy doesn't seem to be a sharing attribute these characters have. Perhaps there's a hidden threat the general public doesn't know about and they're trying to stop it. The only other book with "Secret" in its title has Nick Fury dealing with a long forgotten clandestine organization and a secretly re-forming HYDRA, both threats are unknown to anyone. That's my only guess about the direction of the book.
Could be that's the key right there... dealing with hidden threats. Maybe even threats that the powers-that-be don't want to or can't admit even exist.
For example, if there are still Skrulls out there that haven't been revealed yet, this team might be the ones hunting them down. Nobody would want to publicize the fact that there are still Skrulls operating after the Secret Invasion. Ditto for rogue LMD's and such.
That said, this doesn't quite seem to be the right team to ferret out Skrulls (if that were the focus). I can see Moon Knight doing infiltration. I can see Hank McCoy on the electronic warfare front. Both Nova and Cap have fought Skrulls before and would be familiar with them. The choice of Valkyrie is the one that really mystifies me.
Quote from: murs47 on April 14, 2010, 03:24:01 AM
I read this earlier. I absolutely love the sketches. It's unlikely, but I hope Walker uses that style for the series. Also, that article has me super pumped for the series now.
see i'm indifferent to it, i'm just not liking the cast, though i didn't like the dark region cast at first either, so i may give it a go
Quote from: Previsionary on April 15, 2010, 12:13:30 AM
Quote from: herodad1 on April 14, 2010, 11:25:38 PM
hey, what happened to RHINO?
Spoiler
He went straight and got married. Rhino 2.0 kept trying to get him to crack, become Rhino 1.0 again, and fight him to see who was really worthy of the mantly. Rhino 1.0 refused and tried to go into hiding with Spidey's help, swearing off his bad behavior for good. Rhino 2.0 couldn't take no for an answer and killed Rhino 1.0's wife. Rhino 1.0 snapped, donned his costume, fought Rhino 2.0, and killed him. He also blamed everything that happened on Spider-man.
fantastic story and character development, pity they just through it all away to back to the bog standard
Latest X-Men teaser has Nate Grey and 'vampire' Jubilee. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25752)
Rumour is the book will be X-Men versus Vampires by Victor Gischler and Paco Medina. (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/04/15/x-men-versus-twilight/)
Nice to see X-Man back with the X-Men, but this supposed X-Men vs vampires book reeks of gimmickyness.
Is it appropriate to say that Jubilee sucks now?
Victor Gischler? Doesn't he write one of the DP books? If so... I'm not impressed by his writing at all. I think there's a disconnect with him and the characters he's writing. He's a published novelist of crime fiction, so I don't see the correlation between that and X-men (or Deadpool). He's someone I'd see on a Bishop book or Punisher. Marvel's confused.
Quote from: The Hitman on April 15, 2010, 08:36:25 PMIs it appropriate to say that Jubilee sucks now?
Hehe.... Apparently she gets to be on the team as a vampire too. :) Or maybe I'm reading too much in to it.
Steve Rogers: Super Soldier by Ed Brubaker (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.12068.c2e2_2010~colon~_steve_rogers~colon~_super-soldier)
QuoteAward-winning writer Ed Brubaker and artist Dale Eaglesham of FANTASTIC FOUR join forces this July to debut a new life, a new role and a new mission for the man formerly known as Captain America.
STEVE ROGERS: SUPER-SOLDIER, a four-issue limited series, reintroduces one of Marvel's longest-running characters in an entirely new light. No longer Captain America and with his old sidekick wielding the famous shield, Steve Rogers must forge ahead and carve out a new place for himself in the Marvel Universe.
Brubaker explains the thought process that went into Steve Rogers' latest foray into action following the blockbuster Siege.
"It felt like Bucky was doing a great job as Cap, fans dig him in the role [and] I enjoy writing him as Cap," he says. "And it occurred to me that Steve was going to get put through the wringer on his way back to the present, and may have reasons for not wanting to put the Cap uniform back on and go all public for a while, if not forever."
Those reasons remain classified information for now, but conjure up questions concerning Rogers' long-time career as Captain America, his brief sojourn as Nomad and how he'll acclimate to his new role.
After getting a better look at the uniform I kinda like it. This mini sounds interesting, too.
Quote from: BlueBard on April 15, 2010, 03:53:38 PMThe choice of Valkyrie is the one that really mystifies me.
I think I just figured it out, more or less. They wanted a version of the classic Cap-Thor-Iron Man trinity on the team, so they included Steve (Cap), War Machine (Iron Man), and Valkyrie (Thor). Yeah, they could have used, say, Beta Ray Bill, but they probably figured they needed a woman on the team.
Anyway, I kind of like the line-up. Steve, Beast, War Machine, and Moon Knight have all been Avengers before- and all pre-Disassembled, pre-New avengers members, at that. Nova's been overdue for membership- I remember reading that Kurt Busiek had intended to make him an Avenger, but never got around to it- and Valkyrie, or a version of her, first appeared in the Lady Liberators story in Avengers, way back in the Roy Thomas days- she and Medusa are the only Liberators who haven't been Avengers. So, depending on how the whole "Secret" part works, I personally have no problem with the line-up- though I wish they'd stop the whole "multiple Avengers teams" thing.
I'm confused why Steve is dressed up as Fighting American.
Quote from: Podmark on April 15, 2010, 06:57:27 PM
Latest X-Men teaser has Nate Grey and 'vampire' Jubilee. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25752)
Rumour is the book will be X-Men versus Vampires by Victor Gischler and Paco Medina. (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/04/15/x-men-versus-twilight/)
Nice to see X-Man back with the X-Men, but this supposed X-Men vs vampires book reeks of gimmickyness.
I think Millar is being a big baby here. Necrosha was overshadowed by Marvel Zombies and Blackest Night but it was still a very solid read. I think Millar is probably more upset that Ultimate Avengers is the weakest of the Ultimate line right now when he use to be the Commander and Chief but I have to say I'm really enjoying Ultimate X and Ultimate Spider-man and looking forward to Vampire!Jubilee.
Quote from: murs47 on April 15, 2010, 05:09:20 AM
I can see Steve, Beast, and War Machine hooking up to form the foundation of an Avengers team but the others seem so peculiar. Still, very much looking forward to this. Is Steve the new Fighting American?
Quote from: daglob on April 15, 2010, 05:42:37 AM
...and Steve DOES look like The Fighting American. Are those sai's on his back?
HA! I didn't even see these comments!
Quote from: murs47 on April 16, 2010, 03:02:18 PM
After getting a better look at the uniform I kinda like it. This mini sounds interesting, too.
Same here... hated the first image I saw of it but at a distance it looks good... fighting american but a little Shield in it too. BTW Captain America as a director of shield... that would be perfect.
Also on another forum I somehow guessed that Moon Knight would be a secret avenger. His solo book has been so-so (I'm not a hater but I know it is not perfect) but him kinda crazy and violent on a team would make more sense than him doing a downward spiral on his own. You know, Cap can slap him on the back of the head from time to time.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 16, 2010, 04:23:48 PM
I'm confused why Steve is dressed up as Fighting American.
I'm sure that will be kinda explained during C2E2 this weekend where they will debut Secret Avengers and explain all of their plans for the Avengers titles during The Age Of Heroes. My guess is that Steve Rogers will usually be wearing some kinda of traditional uniform when he takes over SHIELD but he figured that he needed some kind of costume for his Secret Avengers role and decided to dust off Fighting American's uniform until he decided on what his official one would be.
- CQ
if caps gonna lead a new avengers team....whats the title to this book? must have missed it.
Quote from: herodad1 on April 16, 2010, 06:18:30 PM
if caps gonna lead a new avengers team....whats the title to this book? must have missed it.
Steven Rogers: Super Soldier
He's a Secret Avenger, Herodad. A lot of the discussion here centered around that team.
From the page prior:
Quote from: Podmark on April 15, 2010, 04:58:51 AM
Part of the Secret Avengers lineup has been revealed:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/04/14/that-secret-avengers-roster-in-full/
Notice Steve's new (horrible) costume and the presence of Nova. I hope that doesn't mean his title is over.
Also I don't know what to make of this team. It seems like a random mishmash of characters. What exactly will be secret about them?
Quote from: Previsionary on April 16, 2010, 06:34:31 PM
He's a Secret Avenger, Herodad. A lot of the discussion here centered around that team.
From the page prior:
Quote from: Podmark on April 15, 2010, 04:58:51 AM
Part of the Secret Avengers lineup has been revealed:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/04/14/that-secret-avengers-roster-in-full/
Notice Steve's new (horrible) costume and the presence of Nova. I hope that doesn't mean his title is over.
Also I don't know what to make of this team. It seems like a random mishmash of characters. What exactly will be secret about them?
Oh wait I thought he was talking about four-issue mini. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/04/16/steve-rogers-super-soldier-by-ed-brubaker-and-dale-eaglesham/
Actually Murs you're right, the costume much better in this pic (http://www.newsarama.com/multimedia/img_display.php?pic=bmV3X3N0ZXZlX3JvZ2Vyc19kZXNpZ25fMjAxMF8wMi5qcGd8QzJFMjogQlJVQkFLRVIgRXhwbG9yZXMgUG9zdC1DYXAgU1RFVkUgUk9HRVJTOiBTVVBFUi1TT0xESUVSfHxjb21pY3M=).
Quote from: Podmark on April 16, 2010, 08:27:56 PM
Actually Murs you're right, the costume much better in this pic (http://www.newsarama.com/multimedia/img_display.php?pic=bmV3X3N0ZXZlX3JvZ2Vyc19kZXNpZ25fMjAxMF8wMi5qcGd8QzJFMjogQlJVQkFLRVIgRXhwbG9yZXMgUG9zdC1DYXAgU1RFVkUgUk9HRVJTOiBTVVBFUi1TT0xESUVSfHxjb21pY3M=).
I aggree, this view makes it look much better, less like The Fighting American, now.
... But Steve just NEEDS to carry a shield. Get him the one with magnets or the energy shield or SOMETHING...
cant he get his old trusty back? i'm sure bucky wouldnt mind knowing the history between steve and the shield. heck, just have ironman or black panther make him a new one.maybe he could order one from the tinker. :lol:
I feel like I've said this before, but I'll just repeat myself:
Steve gave up the shield because he can't handle being Captain America right now. He wants Bucky to carry it, and yes, Bucky tried to return it several times (in fact, that's what Siege: Captain America was about because apparently Captain America [series] and Captain America: Reborn weren't enough to send this point home.)
With that said, Steve has some tools in his arsenal and Bendis reintroduced the energy shield just before Siege kicked off. Some people won't be happy with some of his new weapons, but Bru can't please everyone and peeps are already jumping to conclusions about things they know nothing about... so, a typical day in the fandom, I suppose. :P
Check it, another Captain America mini (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.12070.c2e2_2010~colon~_captain_america~colon~_patriot). No, not for Steve. Another Captain America... Jeff Mace!
Quote from: daglob on April 16, 2010, 08:45:54 PM
... But Steve just NEEDS to carry a shield. Get him the one with magnets or the energy shield or SOMETHING...
Good idea for a skin. Maybe an energy shield that matches his new costume.
C2E2 Marvel Panel news (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25782)
Some highlights, IMO:
QuoteBrevoort took the ball to talk about the just-announced "Steve Rogers: Super-Soldier," saying that the espionage-themed book would tie into the origins of the super-soldier serum, the scientist who created the serum and would drive events that would lead into a major Marvel sighting coming soon. Brevoort also confirmed that Dale Eaglesham would not return to "Fantastic Four" since he's drawing this book instead.
QuoteThe teaching lineup for Gage's "Avengers Academy" was revealed, including Tigra, Justice, Quicksilver, The Wasp (Hank Pym) and Speedball, of whom Gage said, "It's not monkey Speedball!" The writer added "He's trying to move past the horrible things he's been through as Penance, but he's going to find out it's not as easy as changing clothes." In fact, all of the heroes on the teaching team are facing down their past, from Quicksilver's Brotherhood of Evil mutants membership to Justice having killed his own father. Singh added that the goal for the Avengers line in the Heroic Age is so the company can say "every single book as a unique identity."
QuoteHickman said that "Secret Warriors" would reach it's natural conclusion around issue #27 and 28.
QuoteAsked what the decision-making process was for keeping Bucky Barnes as Captain America, Quesada said that it was in part the answer to the question "What was going to make for the best story?" and that the popularity of BuckyCap didn't hurt. Additionally, "Ed [Brubaker] has a wonderful idea for these specific characters, and he's going to take them on a wild ride."
On FRP2, we had a discussion about how much pull Bucky now has as a character. Seems he's a much bigger draw than many realized.
QuoteA fan asked what the panel thought of the fact that "the return of Steve Rogers was botched" with the character showing up before the end of "Captain America: Reborn" hit. Loeb joked, "We try to do that as often as possible. We want to have as many books with continuity that makes no sense as possible...and I'm leading the charge on that front." But Brevoort soon explained that when the "Reborn" story grew to six issues because Bryan Hitch's style necessitated more story pages and they realized the other comics they'd planned to follow up on issue #5 would make less sense, they went with the option that held up less books even though it wasn't ideal. If they had waited on so much of the line for just one issue of "Reborn" to ship, they thought more fans would have been upset in the end.
Thank you for owning up, Loeb. :P
Check the link for more goodies such as sketches and promo pics.
Cap Specific News Here (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25776)
QuoteEd Brubaker knows how hard it can be to give readers what they want in regards to Marvel Comics' star-spangled Avenger.
"You know, originally Steve Rogers was only going to be dead for six months," recalled the writer. "And then the Cap book kept growing and growing, and all the people who were mad that we killed him are now kind of mad that we brought him back, because they're worried that we'll take Captain America from Bucky. That's not happening."
What is happening, as revealed last night at the Diamond Retailer Summit ahead of the Chicago Comics & Entertainment Expo (C2E2) that this July, Marvel will release "Steve Rogers: Super-Soldier" - a four-issue miniseries by Brubaker and artist Dale Eaglesham which promises to take the original Captain America off into his own cloak and dagger adventures while Bucky Barnes continues as Cap."I did miss the character. He and Bucky are among my top three or four Marvel characters that are fun to write. I felt Steve's voice had really been missing, and there's a lot more to do with the guy."
The origins of this new series came from that need to find more of a place for Steve Rogers than as a supporting character in "Captain America" and even though it's also been revealed that the hero (who will sport a new costume designed by Marko Djurdjevic) will star in "Secret Avengers," Brubaker explained that a solo series made sense. "Part of why it came up is just because Steve is back. While he is starring in 'Secret Avengers,' that's a team book, and he's not on every single page. He hasn't been around in a few years, and he was only in 'Reborn' in a really strange way, so part of it was 'Let's spend some time with this guy.'
"Now that he's back, and Bucky's running around as Cap, he's in various Avengers books here and there, and he's the star of 'Secret Avengers,' but really, it's a different role than when he's off on his own. It can bring him into this big, international, high explosive secret story that's going on. It fits in thematically with everything going on in 'Secret Avengers' and 'Cap,' but it's really following up on 'Reborn' to a large degree, too. It answers the question of 'Where's Steve's head at?'"
QuoteHickman said that "Secret Warriors" would reach it's natural conclusion around issue #27 and 28.
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sorry if i bring things up thats already been covered guys! i dont buy comics anymore( i do have a subscription to THOR ) so the only way of knowing whats up in the marvel universe is from you guys!
Justice, Hank, Pietro and Speedball(!) in Avengers Academy? Now that's more like it.
Quote from: Podmark on April 17, 2010, 03:07:10 AM
Justice, Hank, Pietro and Speedball(!) in Avengers Academy? Now that's more like it.
Quicksilver is good again? Robbie isnt slicing his wrists anymore? Well anyways, I kinda like that line-up. I'm still not sold on the students though.
Quote from: murs47 on April 17, 2010, 03:11:18 AM
Quicksilver is good again? Robbie isnt slicing his wrists anymore? Well anyways, I kinda like that line-up. I'm still not sold on the students though.
Quicksilver became good again in Mighty Avengers. Robbie is on the way to good mental health in the most recent issues of The Initiative.
Anyway Justice, Speedball and Hank Pym are among my favorite characters, I really like Quicksilver too. So this is the kind of characters I was hoping would be in the book.
Great news all around... honestly give cap an energy shield and I'll be happy. I agree that Speedball is getting his stuff together but I dont know if I can still picture him as speedball, so it is odd he will be using that name. I'm not "in love" with the penance persona but I would love to see some middle ground. I came into Secret Warriors late but man it is a good book... I dont care if it ends so long as it ends well, from interviews it sounds like Hickman is all about planning huge chunks and seeing 'em through.
Academy is what I'm looking forward to the most given how much I loved Initiative. Tigra has always been one of my favorite characters who just does not do much so it was nice to see her get TOUGH in DR/Siege and hopefully she will become one of the stars with Hank. Oh... and shes... ... and Hank might have to take responsability even though it has nothing to do with him directly.
Quote from: lugaru on April 17, 2010, 03:55:08 AM
I agree that Speedball is getting his stuff together but I dont know if I can still picture him as speedball, so it is odd he will be using that name. I'm not "in love" with the penance persona but I would love to see some middle ground.
I'm actually with you on that. The nice thing about Robbie becoming Penance was that it brought some attention and development to the character and by association it brought more attention to the New Warriors who had largely slipped into obscurity at the time. It seems a shame if Robbie is just going to completely revert back to his old Speedball persona, but considering Gage wrote Penance in Thunderbolts and the Initiative I'm sure his Robbie will play off what happened before.
I miss evil time-travely Quicksilver but I am glad Speedball is coming back sort of.
As for BuckyCap, I love him. It is the first time I've liked Captain America as an idea...
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 17, 2010, 04:54:51 AM
I miss evil time-travely Quicksilver but I am glad Speedball is coming back sort of.
As for BuckyCap, I love him. It is the first time I've liked Captain America as an idea...
Yeah I kinda miss evil Quicksilver too.
I'd be really disappointed if they dumped Bucky Cap. I don't like it when lots of development and investment is dropped. Also I like Bucky Cap, I'd have kept Steve dead.
Quote from: Podmark on April 17, 2010, 05:17:45 AM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 17, 2010, 04:54:51 AM
I miss evil time-travely Quicksilver but I am glad Speedball is coming back sort of.
As for BuckyCap, I love him. It is the first time I've liked Captain America as an idea...
Yeah I kinda miss evil Quicksilver too.
I'd be really disappointed if they dumped Bucky Cap. I don't like it when lots of development and investment is dropped. Also I like Bucky Cap, I'd have kept Steve dead.
Yeah me too. I feel like Steve dying was the end of an era - there really isn't room for a Captain America who isn't willing to make the hard choices. Also having Thor and Tony mentoring Bucky would have been really interesting. It is something that DC seemed to have missed with Superman and Wonder Woman being ousted from JLA when Dick joined. Actually I find it annoying so many Titans are JLA members when Dick became Batman. But whatever...
Quote from: murs47 on April 17, 2010, 03:11:18 AMQuote from: Podmark on April 17, 2010, 03:07:10 AMJustice, Hank, Pietro and Speedball(!) in Avengers Academy? Now that's more like it.
Quicksilver is good again? Robbie isnt slicing his wrists anymore? Well anyways, I kinda like that line-up. I'm still not sold on the students though.
It needs cloud 9 and Komodo. :)
Quote from: marhawkman on April 17, 2010, 05:02:49 PM
Quote from: murs47 on April 17, 2010, 03:11:18 AMQuote from: Podmark on April 17, 2010, 03:07:10 AMJustice, Hank, Pietro and Speedball(!) in Avengers Academy? Now that's more like it.
Quicksilver is good again? Robbie isnt slicing his wrists anymore? Well anyways, I kinda like that line-up. I'm still not sold on the students though.
It needs cloud 9 and Komodo. :)
Yeah, I hope to see Komodo somewhere, I really liked her. Maybe hardball, I was a little annoyed that he became a hydra member. It is easy to back and forth between heroism and villany in Marvel but Hydra is pretty hardcore. And I agree with Prev... maybe if he does not wear the same costume we can see Speedball come back but his powers no longer have anything to do with speed and jimmies, unless you chuck one at his head and he blasts you with electricity.
Cloud 9 will appear in a Heroic Age anthology written by Dan Slott.
I was disappointed when they revealed that the students of Avengers Academy would be all new characters, I was hoping they'd be characters like Kommodo and Trauma and that the book would be a more literal relaunch of the Initiative. But seeing who the teachers are makes me happier.
Young Avengers: Children's Crusade - it does exist! (http://comics.ign.com/articles/108/1084417p1.html)
Also 8-Bit Theatre and Atomic Robo writer Brian Clevinger is writing a retelling of the Infinity Gauntlet (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/c2e2-avengers-infinity-gauntlet-100417.html).
Never read Robo, but I'm a semi fan of 8-Bit, so it's cool to see him doing some Marvel work.
Quote from: Podmark on April 18, 2010, 04:54:56 AM
Young Avengers: Children's Crusade - it does exist! (http://comics.ign.com/articles/108/1084417p1.html)
That I can't wait for! :D
Secret Avengers line-up revealed:
Spoiler
Sharon Carter is also part of the team but she's not pictured. O'Grady is Ant-Man
(http://i39.tinypic.com/acudm1.jpg)
Quote from: murs47 on April 18, 2010, 05:31:03 AM
Quote from: Podmark on April 18, 2010, 04:54:56 AM
Young Avengers: Children's Crusade - it does exist! (http://comics.ign.com/articles/108/1084417p1.html)
That I can't wait for! :D
Secret Avengers line-up revealed:
Spoiler
Sharon Carter is also part of the team but she's not pictured. O'Grady is Ant-Man
(http://i39.tinypic.com/acudm1.jpg)
Sweet. Very sweet.
Obviosly the already revealed team was enough but seeing Black Widow makes a ton of sense.
As for Academy it would be odd to leave out trauma since he is faculty, dude is the therapist. I dunno... we talk about new characters and the new ones in initiative should not be wasted, they where mostly great.
Quote from: lugaru on April 18, 2010, 09:16:07 AM
Obviosly the already revealed team was enough but seeing Black Widow makes a ton of sense.
As for Academy it would be odd to leave out trauma since he is faculty, dude is the therapist. I dunno... we talk about new characters and the new ones in initiative should not be wasted, they where mostly great.
Trauma wandered off after the fight with his dad. So they may not know where he is or he may not want to join. Or maybe he will be in the book - which I would love.
Trauma was probably my favorite character during Slott's run on Initiative. I hope he gets some love somewhere else.
Quote"Steve Rogers becomes the new Nick Fury of the Marvel Universe." And as that role for the former Captain America took shape, Brubaker said, "He's a character in the 'Captain America' series, but he's not the star of 'Captain America.' Bucky is. So this is my chance to do [explore his character]. I wasn't going to let anybody else write the Steve book, you know? It's the Steve Rogers and Sharon Carter book while it's also this high-concept, espionage Avengers idea."
Just a tid-bit from the Meet Your Secret Avengers (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25817) article at CBR.
News from the X-Men panel:
X-23 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1271593133.jpg) ongoing by Marjorie Liu starting in September. Sounds like X-23 is leaving the X-Men and going off on her own.
Daken: Dark Wolverine (http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1271593276.jpg) ongoing by Marjorie Liu, Daniel Way, and Giuseppi Camuncoli starting in September. Replaces Dark Wolverine.
A new X-Men (http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1271593154.jpg) ongoing by Victor Gischler and Paco Medina which will feature the X-Men vs vampires story.
New X-Force (http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1271613519.jpg) ongoing by Rick Remender and Jerome Ope?a starting in October. Replaces X-Force. They'll be facing Apocalypse.
Wolverine (http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1271593346.jpg) ongoing by Jason Aaron and Renato Guedes starting in September. Replaces Wolverine: Weapon X. Wolverine's soul goes to hell.
Whilce Portacio will be the new artist on Uncanny X-Men in July.
Leonard Kirk will be the new artist on New Mutants.
X-men vs Vampire news in X-men #1 by Vischer. (http://marvel.com/news/all.12097.c2e2_2010~colon~_x-men)
QuoteAs the Children of the Atom step into the Heroic Age, they'll have writer Victor Gischler and artist Paco Medina leading the way with a new X-MEN #1 this July launching a new ongoing series spinning out of the events of Second Coming.
"[Readers] can expect a lot of good action and a lot of good storytelling [for] the characters they know as the X-Men," says Gischler. "They're going to be going on some high-profile, high-energy missions. We're going to see the characters develop but with more focus on missions. Each arc will be an event or a mission. It's going to be a lot of fun. It's going to be pretty entertaining I think."
The opening salvo of the new series pits the newly re-formed team against the bloodsucking undead of the Marvel Universe, a group the X-Men has some dark history with.
"It's going to be a nice fresh look at vampires," promises Gischler. "I think people are going to be pretty impressed."
While the writer says the new series borrows a slice of concepts from the past, it certainly won't be a complete return to the old days. Instead, it sets up the idea of the X-Men in the new Heroic Age-the X-Men of tomorrow. But who will comprise that team?
"There are going to be some characters that are going to be some lynchpin, popular characters," says the writer. "But we also want to bring in some faces we haven't seen. Who have we seen plenty of? Who do we want to see more of? And who do we always want to see because they're popular?"
Although some characters will almost certainly appear-don't be surprised to see some claws in the mix-many less familiar names have been thrown in for consideration.
"We got a lot of mutants auditioning for the part," teases Gischler. "But for the first arc, it's going to be kind of wide open. It's going to be a big event. It's going to be a lot of fun. It's sort of come one, come all X-Men. After the first arc, we're going to narrow it to a core four or five characters that are in the cast month-to-month. And also maybe rotate in some surprise faces that people don't normally see in an X-Men book."
In general, September will be a busy month for the X-men with several relauches (Weapon X becomes WOlverine #1, Dark Wolverine becomes Daken: Dark Wolverine, X-force becomes X-force #1 written by Remender, and X23 starts off an ongoing (or mini?) written by Majorie Liu. Uncanny X-men is also getting a new artists known as Whilce Portacio.
I hate you Pod. People already confuse me for you, and now you're ninjaing me. Well, I'll just have to off your canadian butt. I always knew there was a reason we were at war with each other!
I'm still iffy about Victor. His DP work isn't good at all. I still think he'd be better suited for a character like Punisher, Nick Fury, or even Black Widow. Something more towards his element.
Black Widow #1 was a great read, btw. You all should pick that up.
You should just be happy that I'm keeping your precious thread full of discussion :P You'd be nothing without me.
Why X-Men again? Couldn't they give it a more distinctive name? No idea if this will be any good but it intrigues me and I like seeing X-Man on the team. I've never been impressed with any of Remender's work so I'm disappointed he got X-Force. And I don't like that X-23 appears to be leaving the X-Men but it is nice they are giving her a shot at an ongoing. Not much was announced that excited me.
How dare you say those words to me with those fingers typing those words that you typed and thought in that head of yours. How dare you!
I'm in the same boat. Nothing X-related excited me. In fact, Victor getting "X-men" has me worried about Carey's "Legacy." Even though i'm more or less over with whatever he's doing with Rogue, he's still one of the BEST X-writers Marvel has and he seems to get the majority of the characters he's using. I hope they announce some news about him soon or at least let us know that Legacy is continuing.
Addendum: I'm actually glad X23 got an ongoing because it'll make more sense of the development and lack of focus that one shot had. Introducing Game Master as a villain that's toying around in X23's head in a one shot with no indication of a follow up was quite a dangerous game (no pun) to play, Ms. Majorie.
They said in the panel that Legacy will be continuing. It's safe for now Prev.
Looking at the New X-Force cover. It looks like the team is Wolverine with Angel, Psylocke, Fantomex, and one other guy I can't identify. Any ideas? They're taking on Apocalypse so I think Gambit and Chamber would be good choices.
I'm going "wait and see" with Remender's X-Force. I liked his The List: Punisher one shot a lot. But haven't really read much else by him. Regardless, I do like these new guessing game previews Marvel is doing.
Spoiler
(http://i40.tinypic.com/6ymf5c.jpg)
Remender has stated that only one other original member besides Wolverine will be in New X-Force. My guess for the team line up is:
Wolverine
Archangel - The first arc's villain is Apocalypse so it makes sense.
Fantomex - The guy on the right.
Deadpool - Marvel continually over exposing Wade. I'd be ok with this because Wade is most humorous when surrounded by serious people.
Psylocke - Who else has a sash and wields a katana? She also didn't seem too shocked by the actions of Warren and X-23 in Second Coming so far.
Yes, I was going to say Deadpool as well. Also, Psylocke being on X-force isn't surprising at all if you know her character history or saw what she was capable of in Yost's Psylocke mini series, which I reviewed in this thread and on FRP. (http://frp.unlimited2.net/highlight-on-psylocke/)
Yeah Deadpool, I can see that.
When the current X-Force was first announced I had no interest in it. When Yost and Kyle were announced as writers my interest rose but I still wasn't planning to pick it up. It wasn't until near when it was coming out and we learned that X-Force would be going up against the Purifiers that I decided to get it. Perhaps a similar pattern will follow with New X-Force. Taking on Apocalypse does interest me.
Deadpool? I was guessing Neena....
Quote from: marhawkman on April 18, 2010, 10:08:35 PM
Deadpool? I was guessing Neena....
Quite possible. But then who would the winged fellow be? Mimic maybe? I could see that. He's not exactly a very stable person at the moment.
Winged? Archangel could be it. or it could be clothing and not wings. somebody on another board thought it might be Nate Grey.
Quote from: marhawkman on April 19, 2010, 04:03:04 PM
Winged? Archangel could be it. or it could be clothing and not wings. somebody on another board thought it might be Nate Grey.
Yeah that could be it, especially if they are altering the black blob a bit like they did with the Secret Avengers teasers.
Someone also mentioned Magneto, he's always killed for what he believed was the greater good so that would make sense.
Remender stated that Apocalypse's horsemen would be brand new. I have no idea who they could be, but that has always been my favorite aspect of an Apocalypse story. Who's he gonna turn evil?
They are white wings. If you look close enough you will see they didn't cover it up very well.
As for the line-up:
Psylocke (katanna + sash)
Fantomex (guns + long jacket)
Deadpool? I would say Domino but that looks like a long katanna and a man to me.
White wings eh? So presumably Angel or Mimic.
I'm still trying to gather why people are suggesting Mimic as if he and the X-men are on the greatest of terms all of a sudden.
Quote from: Previsionary on April 19, 2010, 09:39:36 PM
I'm still trying to gather why people are suggesting Mimic as if he and the X-men are on the greatest of terms all of a sudden.
I think we're just playing the matching game Prev.
Quote from: Podmark on April 19, 2010, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: Previsionary on April 19, 2010, 09:39:36 PM
I'm still trying to gather why people are suggesting Mimic as if he and the X-men are on the greatest of terms all of a sudden.
I think we're just playing the matching game Prev.
Oh, I'll match you alright, I will. I'll match you real good! *Matches Pod to a donkey* How about that? *war*
*Fires 10 trillion copies of Fraction's Uncanny at Previsionary*
Quote from: Previsionary on April 19, 2010, 09:39:36 PM
I'm still trying to gather why people are suggesting Mimic as if he and the X-men are on the greatest of terms all of a sudden.
Because it's fun! Even though Warren is the obvious choice. Especially thanks to AA pointing out the poorness of the cover-up job.
I think Nightcrawler is going to be one of Apocalypse's Horseman. He's gonna quit the X-Men during/after Second Coming and Apocalypse will approach him with an offer. It'll probably go down like this:
Spoiler
Sun-bathing in a Central Park open field, Kurt Wagner ponders the actions of his former teammates. A tear drips from his right eye. He is sad. Very sad. Without warning, Apocalypse walks by Kurt.
Nightcrawler: AH! Vat are you doing here!
Apocalypse: Oh, hello Mr. Wagner. I'm just taking a breather from a days hard work.
Nightcrawler: Killing people is a chore for you? I thought you enjoyed it!
Apocalypse: No, culling no longer interests.
Nightcrawler: Veally? Vhat does then?
Apocalypse: Gardening.
Nightcrawler: Veally?
Apocalypse: Really. Aren't we all afforded second chances? Isn't that what you preach? Come, I will show you the fruit of my labor.
Nightcrawler: I have heard gardening is very therapeutic. Let us see what your hard work has brought into this world.
The two sit at the dinner table of Apocalypse's loft which is really his spaceship projecting holographic images. They are eating.
Nightcralwer: My, these bell peppers are delicious!
Apocalypse: Aren't they? Zero trans fat to boot.
Nightcrawler: Impressive.
Kurt notices a machine lighting up and making noises in the other room.
Kurt: Vhat is that?
Apocalypse: Oh that, that's nothing. Something the Celestials left on this ship a long time ago. Supposedly it brings its user closer to God.
Kurt: Veally?
Apocalypse: Really. Want to give it a try?
Kurt: Of course! I love God!
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I don't want to spoil anymore so I'll just stop. But I'm sure you guys can see where this is going. :D
You know what's sad about NC? The most he's done since 2006 was probably in that mini where he was once again LEAVING the X-men because he was upset about something. I've come to realize that NC has been in this holding pattern since the late 70s. Always leaving and rejoining the X-men whenever something upsets him. I'm so over NC and his emo habits, and him being typecasted as the religious nut doesn't help him at all. He just needs to go back to Britain and help Pete Wisdom relaunch Excalibur. He can take Kitty and Colossus with him as they also do nothing very often.
Pod, there's a line and you've crossed it. What's wrong with you? Why would you release nuclear bombs in this type of war? So rude!
*bombards Podmark with 6 trillion pieces of Liefield art, 2 million pieces of Stroman art, and 12 trillion scripts written by Jeph Loeb and Rob Liefield individually.*
There's one problem with your idea Murs. And that problem is that Nightcrawler is going to be in a body bag in two weeks.
Alright Prev, I didn't wan to do this but...
*Fires all unfunny Deadpool comics ever made at Previsionary*
War won.
You don't know that, Pod! You don't! Funny thing, as I was just telling Mursy on Wave, is that his joke was more or less the story NC went through in Mike Carey's SI: X-men. What... a bad mini series.
War's not over, punk. DP is Murs's weakness, not mine! *shoots Pod dead* Now do what Capt did and be "dead" for a year!
Bah, I'll be back. Either some embodiment of death will resurrect me with a ring, or some technorganic virus, or some kind of crazy time bullet - one way or another I'll rise again.
Also I guarantee that Kurt is dying.
Quote from: Podmark on April 19, 2010, 10:56:01 PM
There's one problem with your idea Murs. And that problem is that Nightcrawler is going to be in a body bag in two weeks.
Pod, no. Nightcrawler is an incredible character with so much going for him. It's time for him to shine. Stop pretending he's a background character that gets no love, it's ridiculous.
*notices Pod's corpse*
Hmmm...your ears haven't decomposed yet so I know you can hear me.
I hope Nightcrawler isn't killed off (and that a decent writer makes him an important part of one of the X-books), but I kinda think he's going to be. Nightcrawler and Beast are about the only two X-Men left who aren't morally compromised to some degree, and Beast has left to be part of the Secret Avengers. I think Nightcrawler's going to die during 'Second Coming,' and his death will be a wake-up call to Scott to push him back from his current morally grey stance.
It sucks, but I really think that's what's going to happen.
On death in Second Coming
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An X-Man dies in this month's X-Force 26. According to this teaser (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25592) there are 7 candidates:
Colossus: seen in future covers including X-Men #1, mentioned in interviews by Fraction about post-SC Uncanny.
Magik OR Magma: Magik is in the upcoming Hellbound mini, Magma is a possibility but she's shown in July's New Mutants cover.
Iceman: appears in Second Coming Prepare so he's out.
Angel: appears in future covers
Emma: appears in future covers
Nightcrawler: no mention or covers past X-Force 26
Cable: appears in Second Coming Prepare so he's out.
The character who dies is Wolverine's friend which would exclude Magik, Magma and possibly Emma and Cable. Colossus or Kurt would be the obvious friend of Logan. Also note that so far Kurt has had a large role in Second Coming.
So yeah available information would appear to confirm that Kurt is dying. Covers could be lying in which case it could be Emma, Angel, Magma or Colossus. This assumes that teaser was telling the truth.
We definitely know Magik isn't going anywhere. Her story was the thing that kicked off New Mutants in the first place. Of course, it's easy to forget she has a story because New Mutants has been in 3 crossovers since the book began. Interestingly enough, most of the people in your list are on that teaser. How much you wanna bet it's just some barely used character that no one really cares about?
...
Shut up, I'm not talking about Nightcrawler despite how well that description applies to him!
Hmm... Maybe Nightcrawler almost dies but gets "saved" by Apocalypse.
http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.12129.x-men~colon~_a_new_kind_of_hell
Quote"Cyclops lost a strategic asset, and he wants it back," offers Yost. "Bastion is targeting teleporters, and Cyke knows it. And on top of that, she's one of them. Illyana is Colossus' sister, and even though she's a soulless shell of her old self, they can't lose her again. Especially after the events of X-FORCE #26. And while Colossus is pretty firm about going after her, Cyclops has other plans. And that plan is Cannonball."
The group going into Limbo will consist of an array of X-Men, each chosen for a very specific reason.
"Cannonball assembles the team, not only of people Cyclops is willing to spare, but the right people for this particular job," says Yost. "It's like a mantra for Cyke and Sam: get in, get the girl, and get out. They know that Bastion is coming for them, and they've got no time to spare. They need speed, they need recon ability, [so they bring] Northstar and Trance. They need power in case of trouble-Dazzler. They need someone to keep their eye on the prize, no matter what-Gambit.
"And they need a way to get into Limbo, [so they choose] Pixie. But Pixie doesn't have the best relationship with Illyana Rasputin. There was a little incident where Magik tore out a piece of Pixie's soul. Little things like that make Pixie not so eager to help. So Pixie needs some moral support [from] Anole. But Anole's not the biggest fan of Limbo, either. Last time he went there, he got an arm torn off. There's no one particularly happy about this rescue mission."
I'm kinda excited to see some of these characters used in meaningful ways as written by Yost. Also, I loved Harvey's work in Psylocke, so it's a treat to see it again.
Vic, Trance, and Pixie being written by Yost again? I'm in. ^_^
I was hoping Yost would choose Surge, Hellion, or Rockslide, but otherwise it's an interesting team. I've been on the fence about getting this when it comes out but I think I will get it.
Not really feeling the art though. I like Tolibao, and this isn't terrible but I've seen him do better.
I don't want Kurt to die. He's a favorite of mine. But nonetheless his time is up.
Life gives you lemons. So you gotta make lemonade. But sometimes, it throws you anthrax infected razorblades going 300 mph, this is one of those times. Razorade doesn't sound very thirst quenching.
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(http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/201007/60_LADY_DEADPOOL_1.jpg)
Why.......
I mena the idea is cool and all but I can't see it as a main character.
So sad... Land's art is so identifiable to me now that it depresses me because I never have great thoughts about it; I always go negative and have to build up to a "MEH" response. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. Also, can't wait for him to learn a better way to render hair.
*And now a more weighted response... what a Liefield inspired drawing. Big chest, small legs, non-existent thighs and waist. She must be a model.*
Quote from: Previsionary on April 21, 2010, 02:26:03 PM
So sad... Land's art is so identifiable to me now that it depresses me because I never have great thoughts about it; I always go negative and have to build up to a "MEH" response. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. Also, can't wait for him to learn a better way to render hair.
*And now a more weighted response... what a Liefield inspired drawing. Big chest, small legs, non-existent thighs and waist. She must be a model.*
Don't forget, you can't see her feet!
Ultimate Comics Spider-Man #9 Review
(http://i41.tinypic.com/8xsnrn.jpg)
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Really great issue. Spider-woman takes on the mother/daughter team Spidey took on early in the series. Human Torch helps her and the lulz ensue. Jessica tries to get away from Johnny but he follows her to an alley (well I assume it's an alley or that warehouse she's been living out of). He sees her face and falls in love. Johnny immediately ask Jessica out on a date, she freaks.
We cut away to Pete at school, he gets ambushed by Gwen, Mary Jane, and Kitty and gets a haircut in the girl's bathroom. Tandy (powerless Ultimate Dagger) walks in mutters something bitchy and leaves. I'm not a fan of long hair Pete so it was nice - oh they also mention how round his head look in his costume which is a jab at the cover of Ultimate Comics Spider-Man #1
Later that night at the Parker House, Johnny reveals that he has fallen in love and it's with Spider-Woman. Peter freaks out after learning that Johnny and Jessica made-out (Spider-woman being a clone with his memories and all sort of freaks him out about what that means about his relationship with Johnny). Everyone is confused because they have no clue Jessica is Pete's clone, Pete leaves to do the Spidey thing to deal with his feelings. It doesn't work and we get an emo, yet pretty, splash page.
The next day at school, Johnny tries to get Pete to explain but the government comes in to take Kitty away because of the anti-mutant act. She refuses, Peter comes to her defense and tells her they want her to react like this - the government agents point their guns at Kitty and Pete yells "RUN!!" To be continued...
Quick but fun read. Every time I read a new issue I immediately go back and read the others (this comic is that good to me). I'm love Ult Spider-Woman as much if not more than I loved pre-Secret Invasion 616 Spider-Woman (which was a lot). Ultimate Spider-Man is the first Spider-man comic I've really enjoyed and it is a glowing jewel in the middle of mediocre Ultimate titles (though I do love Ultimate X so far).
Bah! Veranke was the best Spider-Woman.
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Pete seems to have forgotten the #1 rule in a successful relationship, friendship(completely different from romance). You start with friendship THEN add romance. Jessie already has step 1 down. :) Thus it's not strange at all. Pete isn't attracted. Jessie is attracted because she's a woman, and courtesy of Pete's memories feels very comfortable with being around Johnny. I wonder what their kids might look like....
@ Prev: I still don't get why he drew only guys as quadzilla....
You guys, I finished Ultimate Trio Script #3 (http://frp.unlimited2.net/ultimate-trio-3/). Which one of my awesome forum buddies is reading my attempt at a Marvel script?
Dark Wolverine 85 (3):It's a nice,
quick read that features Wolverine basically using Daken against Romulus. That's right, the story from
Wolverine Origins has found its way into
Dark Wolverine. Nothing else happened. Daken has a mental spiel about miracles and mysteries earlier in the book that really doesn't really add up to much, and for a character that's based on manipulation and always having the upper hand, he sure has been played a lot of late. The book has good art, and it's nice to see Wolverine used smartly with barely any blood shed spilled for once. With all that said, this is easily a skippable issue that doesn't add anything to the story or plot.
Siege: Spider-man #1 (2):This issue by Brian Reed had me worried once I saw him as the writer. As most of you know, I mostly disliked his
Ms. Marvel run, and Reed seemed to have wanted to write Spidey instead. He got another shot and guess who shows up? Ms. Marvel! Writer patterns are fun.
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Guy 2:
Fun?
Me:
Fun.
Guy 2:
Like... define fun. Do you mean like... fun?
Me:
Yes. I mean fun. Exciting.
Guy 2:
Exciting? Awesome.
Me:
Yep. It is awesome. Are we done?
Guy 2:
Yes. We're done.
Me:
K. Good.
Guy 2:
Good.
Ok, I'm done picking at a certain writer. No, I'm not imitating Brian Reed. Anyway, Ms. Marvel appears and rips Gargan out the symbiote. Once she does, she obviously becomes the next host and fights Spidey. Don't worry, the status quo is only changed for 6 or so pages before Mac ends up with the symbiote again and the heroes win. This was quite a meh, yet cliche, book that I wouldn't really recommend to anyone unless they want a throw away issue. Tis a 2. Also, I need Brian to let the Ms. Marvel/Spidey thing he's been pushing since
Ms. Marvel go. No one wants it to happen. Has he yet to learn that no one references anything in his run? Just let it go. :P
Quote from: Previsionary on April 22, 2010, 02:33:33 AM
Dark Wolverine 85 (3):
It's a nice, quick read that features Wolverine basically using Daken against Romulus. That's right, the story from Wolverine Origins has found its way into Dark Wolverine. Nothing else happened. Daken has a mental spiel about miracles and mysteries earlier in the book that really doesn't really add up to much, and for a character that's based on manipulation and always having the upper hand, he sure has been played a lot of late. The book has good art, and it's nice to see Wolverine used smartly with barely any blood shed spilled for once. With all that said, this is easily a skippable issue that doesn't add anything to the story or plot.
Siege: Spider-man #1 (2):
This issue by Brian Reed had me worried once I saw him as the writer. As most of you know, I mostly disliked his Ms. Marvel run, and Reed seemed to have wanted to write Spidey instead. He got another shot and guess who shows up? Ms. Marvel! Writer patterns are fun.
Spoiler
Guy 2:
Fun?
Me:
Fun.
Guy 2:
Like... define fun. Do you mean like... fun?
Me:
Yes. I mean fun. Exciting.
Guy 2:
Exciting? Awesome.
Me:
Yep. It is awesome. Are we done?
Guy 2:
Yes. We're done.
Me:
K. Good.
Guy 2:
Good.
Ok, I'm done picking at a certain writer. No, I'm not imitating Brian Reed. Anyway, Ms. Marvel appears and rips Gargan out the symbiote. Once she does, she obviously becomes the next host and fights Spidey. Don't worry, the status quo is only changed for 6 or so pages before Mac ends up with the symbiote again and the heroes win. This was quite a meh, yet cliche, book that I wouldn't really recommend to anyone unless they want a throw away issue. Tis a 2. Also, I need Brian to let the Ms. Marvel/Spidey thing he's been pushing since Ms. Marvel go. No one wants it to happen. Has he yet to learn that no one references anything in his run? Just let it go. :P
I thought the Spidey/Ms Marvel parts were fun. It would be interesting to see Spidey with someone other than Gwen, MJ, or Black Cat.
I can see the appeal... to a degree. But during this time, with all the interchangeable and crazy women in Pete's life, there's no need to add more. Plus, I don't know how much of Ms. Marvel you've read, but he's always been pretty inconsistent with her. If other writers add more depth to their friendship first, my opinion could change.
Hmm... I'd check it out just so I can see what Ms. Marvel looks like as Venom.
To those who may be more in the know: are Nova and Guardians of the Galaxy both ending? I can't find solicitations for either past their current issues, just the Thanos Imperative event. If they are ending: Boooo! :thumbdown:
It was announced in March that both books would be going on "hiatus" during the return of Thanos (6 issues). There was no indication if either book would return, which could explain why Nova will be an Avenger during the heroic age.
Quote from: marhawkman on April 22, 2010, 03:15:48 PM
Hmm... I'd check it out just so I can see what Ms. Marvel looks like as Venom.
I looked through it in the store. "She" just appears the same way Venom always does: big hulking monster (who, like in most of his modern day appearances, doesn't look like the original Mac Gargan Venom redesign from Marvel Knights Spider-Man. Sorry, pet peeve).
Quote from: Talavar on April 22, 2010, 09:29:21 PM
To those who may be more in the know: are Nova and Guardians of the Galaxy both ending? I can't find solicitations for either past their current issues, just the Thanos Imperative event. If they are ending: Boooo! :thumbdown:
There's no confirmation on if they are coming back. I have a suspicion we'll a new cosmic DnA book(s) in their place that will fit a new status quo. I really like Guardians and Nova is good too so I hope their stories continue in some form.
Thanos #1 [pencil only] preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=4968&disp=table)
ok i'll review what i got this week
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blank desk
bloody ash cloud :banghead:
Poor, UE. It'll be OK. ANyway, I know this event is over, but this review more or less channels my thoughts on Necrosha X (http://www.housetoastonish.com/?p=304)
QuoteIt?s all ridiculously melodramatic, but hell, it?s comics. Selene?s going to raise the dead and use them to gain ultimate power or something. But in an attempt to wring six issues out of it, it?s become incredibly complicated, littered with unnecessary characters, and plagued by plot holes.
The final two issues have major logic problems. Issue #24 sees X-Force launch a completely unnecessary frontal assault on a castle, charging through an army of the undead, instead of just asking the Vanisher to teleport them straight into the building. Vanisher teleports them in at the start of the scene; he teleports himself into the castle later on. The plot requires him to be separated from the group; but the story brings that about by having everyone?s IQ drop to single figures for two pages.
Issue #25 sees Selene defeated. I honestly don?t understand how. Something about a mystic ritual never mentioned before that issue, but beyond that, I?m lost. It?s obviously supposed to be some sort of pay off for the violation of James? tribe, but there?s no proper set-up, so it doesn?t work.
And what about the early issues, where Selene?s zombies attack the X-Men?s island? Granted, Selene has a reason to attack the island. She needs to recover the magic knife that Eli Bard lost to Warpath in a previous issue, because apparently it?s essential to her ritual. But she only discovers that she?s missing a macguffin in chapter three, by which point the invasion is well underway. So why did she order the invasion in the first place? The dialogue seems to suggest that she just wants revenge on Emma Frost and Sebastian Shaw, but that?s a ridiculously flimsy motivation ? can?t she wait until after she?s become a goddess in twelve hours time? ? and the story does nothing with it anyway.
Read more at the link.
Ed Brubaker on Capt/Secret Avengers (http://io9.com/5523704/ed-brubaker-talks-secret-avengers-receiving-death-threats-for-writing-captain-america)
QuoteThe first arc is very much about defining who their secret enemy is. I can't really talk too much about, a lot of it is about the history of these guys. This is my chance to do something like SPECTRE or COBRA without going too corny. It's very much something that ties in with real world history, but bringing in that Doc Savage, H.P. Lovecraft tradition that superheroes came out of. It's very much about stuff we haven't seen in Marvel.
In Captain America, the main antagonists are the Watchdogs and an insane, chipper 1950s Cap. What was your inspiration for this dementedly wholesome evil Captain America?
The first comic I ever bought with my own money was Captain America 156, which was the Captain America from the 1950s and the real Cap fighting on the cover. That was my first experience to the idea of another Cap ? the hard-core conservative, HUAC-loving Cap. I always thought that this character was really tragic. He remembers the Eisenhower era; he's a man out of the time. I brought him back during the "Death of Captain America" story.
I always intended to hook him up with the Watchdogs. The Watchdogs ? when they were created by Mark Gruenwald way back when ? were reflective of those extreme right-wing, Middle America militia movements. I wanted to bring them back to reflect the world we live in today since Obama was elected. He's the Captain America for that slightly crazed, highly paranoid side of reality.
Speaking of the Watchdogs, what's been the readers' response to the media hubbub concerning the signs in Captain America 602?
I don't want to talk about that stuff too much. The only thing we apologized for was identifying those protesters as specifically the Tea Party Movement. In Marvel comics it's Roxxon Oil, not Exxon. It's a step removed from reality. It reflects the world without actually being the world, and that was what the apology was for - not that they got offended. People were reading stuff into that. No one ever said "All protesters are evil." I had to shut down my public email because I started getting death threats from, y'know, peaceful protesters.
Oh man! Yikes.
That was really pleasant. [laughs] I guess they're all for freedom of speech except for mine! What was really infuriating is that they're weren't reading the story, they were just reading some blogger. Has our media really come to the point where anyone can just blog about something and it becomes a news article that warrants death threats? We're seeing this with Trey Parker and Matt Stone of [South Park] receiving death threats from Muslims. How is this any different from Tea Partiers telling me I should die in a fire because I wrote an issue of Captain America? It's a little disconcerting to me. It makes me feel like our society has gotten to the point where it's a little too easy to get access to people. So yeah, I shut down my public email and now my only contact with the world is through my Twitter account [laughs].
I said it before, and I'll say it again. There's something inherently wrong with people taking things SO FAR that they feel the need to make death threats to someone for writing a story or making a statement (that one may or may not agree with).
Avengers #1 preview on Marvel (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.12225.sneak_peek~colon~_avengers_%231)
Looks like Wonderman is gonna have a part in the story and maybe... The Young Avengers?
Sweet Justice appears. An the variant cover seems to give away that Noh-Varr will be on the team.
New book day! What is everyone planning on getting and hopefully reviewing? If I find the time, I'm going to try to review some less talked about books like I used to do circa last year and during the X-thread days. We need more diversity, and we must start highlighting some of the lesser known, better books out there every once in a while. :P
[If only to prove that there is still quality out there]
I may do a write up on Sif #1 from last week written by Fraction's wife (who JUST had a baby today, iirc). Since Kieron will be off the book soon, and Fraction will effectively be the next Thor writer in a few months (he actually should have taken over around issue 610), then I figured I should see what I should be expecting and whether or not it'd be another book I'm dropping.
And can I just say I'm really jealous the MU writers got to see Ironman 2 weeks early? Jerk hats.
If I review any books it will be a couple days late. I'm stuck working on finals all day today, and I expect I'll have to crash most of Thursday.
Podmark, I just want to say something to you. I know we were in a war... and that I coldly killed you like any self-respecting hero would (even though I'm a villain... or very neutral these days), but you were right.
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At least he went out heroically saving Jean Jr.
Thor #609 (3):
I want to make this clear. I'm tired of seeing Asgard destroyed in EVERY Siege book I pick up. It made sense for it to appear again in Thor, but seeing it destroyed over 6 times is just... too much. Other than that, this was a standard issue. Thor wasn't in the book at all, and instead, it focused on the secondary characters of Kelda vs. HAMMER, Volstagg vs. Dirt and HAMMER, Tyr vs. Thunderball (who remembered he's a physicist and didn't throw around stereotypical slang as he would in New Avengers), and Baldur vs. Loki (who finally decided to reappaear in this event and reveal his wrongdoings). I can't say a lot of development was made at all. It felt kinda fillerish to me, which is why I'm rating it a 3. I think I'm being generous considering the irony this issue presented me with. A solo book SHOULD have its star in it at some point, by golly.
I have a question... since I'm not planning to pick up the book...
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how did Kurt die?
Just curious whether they left an out to bring him back (no body to bury) or if it was very final (as final as death ever is in the Marvel U)?
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Quote from: BlueBard on April 29, 2010, 12:43:31 PM
I have a question... since I'm not planning to pick up the book... how did Kurt die?
Just curious whether they left an out to bring him back (no body to bury) or if it was very final (as final as death ever is in the Marvel U)?
Yeah, ya know.. I sat down with my pile of comics here staring at that cool alternate "ghostly" cover on my issue of X-Force and wondered how long it would take to spoil what's inside before I crack open the cover.. ooh, wait... :blink:
Not that most of us have figured WHO it would be by their lack of an appearance on the promotional material if we looked hard enough.
Oh, and just in case people wanted to actually read the book..
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Kurt was badly wounded trying to save Hope from an attack by Bastion and took a fairly powerful energy blast to his back blocking his shot from hitting her. While Rogue distracted Bastion and nearly getting pretty badly beat up herself, Kurt made a last desperate move to get Hope to Utopia and found himself teleporting into the same space that Bastion's arm was before teleporting away. Hope found herself lying on the beach of Utopia moments later and Kurt slowly bleeding to death with a robotic arm sticking out of the middle of his chest. His last words to Hope before dying was "I believe in you".
So unless they bring him back with a cloned body or finding an omega-level healer with Xorn's resurrection powers that work after an autopsy .. it will be awhile before Kurt makes an appearance in the main universe until someone retcons his exact death. (then again if Hope does become the next Phoenix.. mmmm.. looks like she owes Kurt a favor.)
- CQ
Sorry CQ, didn't think it was a big secret considering Pod's avatar text and other comments that had been made in-forum.
:(
Quote from: BlueBard on April 29, 2010, 05:29:31 PM
Sorry CQ, didn't think it was a big secret considering Pod's avatar text and other comments that had been made in-forum.
My avatar comments reflect logical speculation from last week. They don't reflect the contents of this week's issue.
I'm sad now.
It stinks.
You know why I think it was done?
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Kurt is probably the X-Men's most religious hero, so they had to remove him from the upcoming X-Men vs. Vampires story. Just give him a cross, a super soaker full of holy water (I watched From Dusk To Dawn again recently) and some wooden stakes, and storyline = over!
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 29, 2010, 10:34:28 PM
You know why I think it was done?
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Kurt is probably the X-Men's most religious hero, so they had to remove him from the upcoming X-Men vs. Vampires story. Just give him a cross, a super soaker full of holy water (I watched From Dusk To Dawn again recently) and some wooden stakes, and storyline = over!
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I highly doubt Yost and Kyle killed him for a storyline they had nothing to do with - I think they killed him to shake up the status quo for Cyclops and the X-Men because he was the "soul" of the X-Men for the last 35 years.
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Well put AA, also he was one of the only "untouched" all new-all different X-men
Colossus has died and come back
John Proudstar has died
Banshee has died
Sunfire has died and come back
Storm has been depowered, reverted to childhood, brought back
Wolverine has...well... done everything.
It will be interesting to see how long this lasts.
I just read uncanny #523 and honestly that's been the only x-book i've read since well...messiah complex
it pains me that i'm not interested in x-men at all anymore.
So X-Force:
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I was right! Well honestly it was painfully obvious if you paid attention to Marvel's solicits etc. They should be more careful about that.
I liked the death. He got to be the hero and he was taken out by Bastion himself not some random mook. Whether we needed a death is another story.
I liked the issue. I was pretty happy with the art, especially Bastion's robotic form. I shudder to think how that would have come out with Land.
I also read the final issue of Mighty.
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Mighty was a strange disappointing journey. I had high hopes for it, but it didn't measure up.
In the final issue Hank and friends fight Ultron. Jocasta offers to be his bride if Ultron will leave which he agrees to. The infinite mansion is revealed to be created to assist in bringing Jan back. Hank goes to join the battle at Asgard where we get a Siege 4 spoiler that Loki will help the Avengers - which validates Hank's request that Loki join the team so the Mighty Avengers now like Hank again.
Mighty was a mess but I was pretty happy with Hank's use through it. Hank's one of my favorite Avengers, so I'm happy he'll be in Academy.
Hmm... So is Pym-space going to be collapsed in order to restore Janet?
Quote from: marhawkman on April 30, 2010, 06:01:34 PM
Hmm... So is Pym-space going to be collapsed in order to restore Janet?
I guess, but I don't think it's about to happen anytime soon. But Jan's return is already set up.
Thunderbolts #143 (3):
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After the shock ending of last issue where USAgent found out what it was like to be Red Arrow + (Read: Red Arrow Plus), we open just before the final scenes in Siege #3 with Ironman shutting down Norman's suit. Before Norman is completely disabled (and dons his green face/purple hood paint thing), he contacts his Thunderbolts, Nuke in this case, and asks if they have the Spear of Odin. Of course they do, and the T-bolts set off to help Norman. Well, that would have been the plan, but Paladin is tired of taking orders and turn coats while Ghost helps Amadeus Cho contact some of his teammates.
With the Thunderbolts falling apart during the midst of battle, Antman takes this as a perfect time to show where his loyalties really lay and makes short work of Grizzly. In the interim, Quicksilver arrives on the scene and has this nice series of panels where he shows that just because Mr. X has the ability to anticipate movement, doesn't mean he'll be able to do anything about it... even if he is equipped with Odin's Spear. This is probably one of my favorite battle scenes that involves QS as he hasn't been particularly active in many fights in a while.
Moving towards the end of the book, as the issue closes with Antman/Eric O'Grady informing Headman's brother about the final days of the Thunderbolts (that's right, it skipped 2 weeks into the future PAST Siege #4), we learn that Eric wants to start making better choices in his life. The story finally closes with Luke and Jess looking at repurposed Raft off the coast of Manhattan, setting up for Cage's tenure as their leader.
This was a perfectly adequate read that didn't really require you to know much about Siege, The Mighty Avengers, or The Thunderbolts in order for you to follow the story. In all honesty, Siege was a backdrop that enabled the plot to move forward while the remaining Mighty Avengers (minus Pym) and the Thunderbolts did battle and some of the remaining stories were tied up. Unfortunately, Parker didn't give us any more details on USAgent, and we don't get any hints about what happened in Siege #4, which is more of a good thing than bad, but he uses the Mighty Avengers better than they were used in their own book and managed to reference Ghost's attempt at killing Tony in
Invincible Ironman. I give this book a 3.
I have to agree with you Prev:
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The Quicksilver/Mr. X fight was sweeeeet. X really gets on my nerves for some reason...
Quote from: Zippo on May 02, 2010, 05:02:10 AM
I have to agree with you Prev:
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The Quicksilver/Mr. X fight was sweeeeet. X really gets on my nerves for some reason...
That fight made me SOOO happy. We live in this era of matrix'ed out invincible fighter characters who use mind reading/bullet time/brain enhancements to win every fight and it is great to see classic hero take somebody out like that. Also the character in question is a bit of a %^$#
I was not that let down by the end of Mighty and this issue of Thunderbolts was great. Cant wait to read seige #4, I know it will be late but not by how much. Bendis should stick to 4 issue events, so far it is all killer and no filler.
Still in shock over USAgent. I always liked that character, he is my favorite flawed cap.
Quote from: lugaru on May 02, 2010, 11:33:43 AM
Cant wait to read seige #4, I know it will be late but not by how much.
It's scheduled for May 12 right now. I hope it comes out.
Mike Carey talks about X-Men Legacy on CBR. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26066)
Second Coming #2 is apparently going to be a series of aftermath stories. Carey's will focus on Rogue and Hope.
After second coming he's doing a four part story where Rogue, Magneto, Indra, Anole, and Loa go to India to see Indra's family. It reintroduces some X-villains from recent times that Carey is very, very fond of. Art will be by Clay Mann who did the Necrosha arc.
After that will be an arc focusing on Hellion, playing off stuff that happens to him in Second Coming (which he so far hasn't appeared in). Omega Sentinel is also supposed to return.
Honestly all of that sounds good to me. Looking forward to more Legacy.
I'd look forward to Legacy a little more if Carey wasn't so obviously in love with Rogue. Still, a good title.
I wish he loved Iceman as much as he loves Rogue. Carey should have been on Uncanny or the newly relaunched "X-men" with a team of his own to control.
Anyway, now that Lady Mastermind and her sister, whose name I can never remember without effort, are back and are teaming up with Pixie's "mom" (how many mothers does this annoying girl have?), I wonder if he'll start using her again?
Quote from: Previsionary on May 05, 2010, 01:04:51 AMI wish he loved Iceman as much as he loves Rogue. Carey should have been on Uncanny or the newly relaunched "X-men" with a team of his own to control.
Anyway, now that Lady Mastermind and her sister, whose name I can never remember without effort, are back and are teaming up with Pixie's "mom" (how many mothers does this annoying girl have?), I wonder if he'll start using her again?
He's making a team..... what do you think the storyline revolves around? :p
So I read this week's X-Men books.
Uncanny:
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This issue is the funeral and setting up act two. I liked it, lots of different interactions, art was good.
Some nitpicks though:
I had no idea who the priest was - I later looked it up and it was Iceman, which I should have known because Scott told him to look up Catholic rites, but the art didn't make it clear at all.
Why doesn't Ariel get a funeral? Nice double standards there X-Men.
Why doesn't Bastion have his usual yellow speech bubbles in Uncanny, and why does Fraction's Bastion not talk anything like Yost and Kyles? Drives me nuts.
Hellbound:
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This issue was mostly the setup with Sam choosing his team, then the next chunk them arriving in Limbo. It's only a three issue series so I'm not expecting too much but so far I've liked it. Random team though.
Art is ok, I like Tolibao but I find his art inconsistent, and this wasn't his best. His characters seemed a little squashed for some reason, reminded me of some Paco Medina's art in that way.
And we get more angsty, bratty New X-Men. It makes logical sense in the story but I wish I could have more fun New X-Men more often.
And Bachalo was back on Spider-Man this week :D
Ariel doesn't get a funeral because Mike Carey intentionally wrote an out for her just in case he wanted to use her again. Also, the X-men don't have her body (as there was none left at the scene... and even if there was one, it'd be burnt up and the X-men left without picking it up). Of course, I suspected them to mention her in passing, but I remembered which book this was, and, as I've said before, continuity isn't Uncanny's strong point *looks at Colossus, Emma, and Psylocke*.
Speaking of Colossus, I'm really shocked that he wasn't chosen to go back into Limbo after his sister. He spent a whole issue making a stink about it, and then he's not even given a reason for not going? The problems are already starting to crop up in this event and we have over 15 issues to go (I'm including the WHOLE event, not just the main storyline)
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Ariel doesn't get a funeral because Mike Carey intentionally wrote an out for her just in case he wanted to use her again. Also, the X-men don't have her body (as there was none left at the scene... and even if there was one, it'd be burnt up and the X-men left without picking it up). Of course, I suspected them to mention her in passing, but I remembered which book this was, and, as I've said before, continuity isn't Uncanny's strong point *looks at Colossus, Emma, and Psylocke*.
Speaking of Colossus, I'm really shocked that he wasn't chosen to go back into Limbo after his sister. He spent a whole issue making a stink about it, and then he's not even given a reason for not going? The problems are already starting to crop up in this event and we have over 15 issues to go (I'm including the WHOLE event, not just the main storyline)
Regardless of whether Carey may have left an out, Ariel is considered dead by the X-Men. She should have been mentioned at the funeral. I wasn't expected it, but logically it should have been there.
Cyclops gave Colossus some reasons why he shouldn't go in Hellbound. The main ones being that he wants Colossus on Utopia because he's a powerhouse and that Colossus is too emotional and could compromise the mission. They made sense to me.
Using the same logic, Cyclops also needed his remaining teleporter around, but he sent her off all willy-nilly.
Regardless, Uncanny was a big miss to me and probably the low point of SC (imo, of course). This is also around the same time Messiah Complex's quality began to drop. I really wish Uncanny would stop revolving around Cyclops so often. This was supposed to be a moving, emotional issue about a fallen, long time X-man (that has done nothing for years) and what he meant to the team... it came out the gate missing the point and immediately put focus on Scott and his OOC coldness and collectivity. This representation of Scott has run its course with me, especially when he's had random breakdowns in the earlier issues of UXM I've actually read. I don't get it. I'm ignoring what a certain blue character did during NC's actual moments, and I'll just accept Emma's scene, and I'll even ignore that Emma was never that close to NC and that Psylocke was readily available and played no major part in the funeral.
Yes, Ariel should have been mentioned (like I said above), but remember what book this is and the tone it took, and you'll understand why it didn't happen.
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And if you were wondering, no... the Iceman scenes didn't appease me. Bobby is not ordained, dangit! Twas obvious that he was forced into that role when there are characters on that island, that Fraction uses as cameo, that actually know things about Catholicism. I mean... Northstar was cameo fodder in this very issue, right? It would have given him something to do.
He still has Vanisher, but he didn't really have a choice about sending Pixie. She was their only immediate way into Limbo so she had to go. Colossus wouldn't have accepted putting off going after his sister - he just barely accepted not going himself. So Scott was stuck, he had to send someone after Illyana. Plus he wants her back anyway because she's valuable as a teleporter and she's the most combat-ready teleporter he has since Kurt died. I doubt the Hellbound team will be back in time to help though considering the last issue comes out at the end of the event.
Do Psylocke and Nightcrawler really have much history? I can't recall many times when they were on the same team for very long. I'll agree that Emma didn't make much sense there though, but she's the leading lady of the X-Franchise since Jean died, and she's one of Fraction's main characters so of course he makes sure she gets a line in.
I like Scott the way he is portrayed now, but I also skipped most of Fraction's Uncanny so I haven't had to put up with as much bad writing. The crossover isn't prefect, but I don't expect it to be. I just enjoy a big all encompassing high stakes X-Men story.
Another thing that bugged me is Magneto's coma, and Karma's leg. The X-Men have healers. They have Elixir and Ink. Now X-Force implied Elixir was having trouble staying gold but really that needs better explanation. I'm not sure what the deal with Ink is, he was in a coma, but then he showed up in Utopia but hasn't been seen or mentioned since. So maybe that was supposed to be pre-coma? Which makes no sense because Dani and Berto were on the New Mutants during Utopia so logically Young X-Men must have occurred before Utopia. They also have Warren, whose healing blood has never been officially written out. Also they had Dagger around up until recently, I assume she must have left before Magneto's coma. And then there's Rogue. With her current abilities she could probably take Elixir's powers for a while and use them better than him if he's having trouble.
I really wish the X-writers would better address stuff like healers being on the island. I realize they cause problems with plots but they need to do better than just ignoring them.
Psylocke and Nightcrawler are a heckuva lot closer than Emma and NC. In fact, NC and Psylocke have some sort of playful relationship, and they've teamed up quite a few time to help out their best buddy Wolverine... the last time being in Weapon X during the Rotwell arc. In fact, Psylocke and NC were the only two X-men to go out and save Wolverine during that arc because Wolverine only left information for those two characters to be contacted, iirc. Then there's the Pixie mini that I don't care to keep up with at all + the Proteus arc in Legacy. There's a bond there, so I can only imagine she'd have something to say (and weren't they together during Claremont's Uncanny run?).
[Actually thinking about it, Psylocke and Nightcrawler have been paired together and active more so now than they have been since her initial return]
Fraction creates this weird conflict with me. I mostly enjoy his Ironman work, I liked his Thor/Ironman free comic, but then we hit X-men, and I want him to go away. :( That funeral was just a bunch of inappropriate moments one after another....
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Re: Healers
I don't think Elixir is on that island anymore. I think he took a leave of absence... or maybe he's off somewhere trying to hook up with all three cuckoos again. Angel... they really do need to get around to that plot point again. I'm assuming his healing factor/blood is a bit different now because of his secondary transformation into Archangel, but they could always say his blood type isn't compatible with Karma. Dagger and Cloak did, in fact, leave before Second Coming in their one-shot. They're back in New York... or should be. It's funny that you mention Dagger, actually. I've said for awhile now that it's weird that Dagger never got used while Cloak is off helping Wolverine (and Hulk) with their various problems. I always thought Dagger would get more use during her tenure as an X-man than Cloak. As for Rogue, I don't have anything to say about her. Ideally, Bastion should be taking out the X-men's healers and teleporters (do they still have Vanisher? I was pretty sure it was said he and Domino were off doing stuff). I was actually wondering when Rogue made it back to Utopia myself.
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I guess I should review something. I'll do it later. Maybe.
I think most of Kurt and Betsy's time together is in comics I haven't read. But either way they have to have a better bond than Kurt and Emma considering I can't really recall a scene between the two.
I didn't really like the Thor/Ironman free comic. It had a bunch of little things that bugged me.
They only thing we know about Elixir is that he's out of X-Force and having trouble staying gold. Otherwise I assume he's still on Utopia, especially considering he's like a 16 year old kid whose closest family is Dani. I figure Elixir will play a role at some point because he's supposed to be the only one that knows what Hope is.
Vanisher is still with the X-Men. Cyclops had him and Domino waiting in San Fran during the first act of SC. I was expecting that to go somewhere but I guess they were a contingency that Cyclops didn't end up needing.
I was wondering how Rogue got back myself. She was in San Fran, maybe Vanisher and Dom picked her up. She is back on Utopia in Uncanny.
Well, Emma's last words of remembrance to Nightcrawler was a callback to the only time she and Kurt ever had a scene alone with each other in the past 4-5 years. It was just after they moved to San Fran while their base was still being worked on. Probably just around the time Colossus brought back those Russian prostitutes that disappeared from existence (along with that horrible tattoo). It was odd that she brought it up because it wasn't a character building scene for them. It was just her being herself (the Fraction version anyway) and poking fun at NC's beliefs. Recently, however, Emma and Nightcrawler have been working together in the Pixie mini along with Psylocke, Rockslide, and some other characters.
Having read the book again, it just dawned on me that Fraction has declared Iceman a Methodist. That'd be fine and all... if he wasn't raised in a Jewish/catholic household. Bobby doesn't practice any religion in general, but I found it weird that out of nowhere, he became a methodist. I really wish Fraction would have just used Northstar for that scene (and would have studied up more on that particular religion). It would have fit NS a lot better than Iceman, who didn't have a particular great relationship with NC as is. And that's just me going with non-obvious characters who were there at the moment. Storm, Xavier, or even Beast... real Beast, not the one in this issue, would have been more appropriate.
[you know, I already felt the art was inappropriate for this part of the story, and I still think the funeral should have come at the END or as a one shot written by Carey or Yost/Kyle, but I really couldn't tell that was Domino walking with Wolverine in the last panel of the book. Who was beside her? X23?]
Ultimate Comic Avengers 2 #1 (3):I'm a week behind, but I really had to think about buying this issue because I was really let down by volume 1 of this book. Millar didn't seem to have the same spark with the previous installment as he did with Ultimates V. 1 and 2. The plot was no where near as strong, and he emphasized the action aspect way too much. I dropped the book 2 issues in, and from what I've read from reviews, the book never recovered with the ending being pretty pathetic for what was built up. Anyway, review:
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If you read the preview of this issue, then you know it opened up with SIX pages of wordless action where the only thing that happened was that Punisher killed people. Yes, we really had 6 pages dedicated to seeing Ultimate Punisher behave like 616 Punisher. Actually, the whole issue seems to be dedicated to showing Ultimate Punisher is all about, and I can't say that any of it is all that interesting or intriguing. He's after a particular criminal named Red Hammer. After killing more people and finally water-boarding some information from some high school kid, Frank finally gets the information he wants and goes after Red Hammer only to be manhandled by Captain America in disguise. Now in SHIELD custody, Nick Fury recruits Frank Castle into his new group of Black Ops Avengers... and Frank will be his Captain America.
Essentially, this is just a Punisher book under the Avengers's title and branding. Punisher has never been a big character in the UU, and iirc, the last time I saw him, he was nothing like he was presented here, but it doesn't bother me. I wish Millar didn't make him a direct clone of mainstream Punisher though because it defeats the purpose of making the characters DIFFERENT, which should be the key reasoning in updating these characters in a more "realistic" setting. I think the new role Punisher is being forced into might net some interesting results, and I'm semi-intrigued by what the Black Op Avengers will be doing over the next 5 (?) issues, and I really hope Millar didn't introduce yet another Hulk in the Ultimate Universe. We're hitting number 4 now, and that's a little too much, imo.
I rate this a 3. It has its share of problems, but I found it more enjoyable than Ultimate Comic Avengers Volume 1 (although the connection between these books isn't immediately obvious as of right now).
Updated Ultimate Punisher costume below:
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Yeah that was X-23 beside her.
Xavier would have been prefect. I don't know why he chose Iceman either.
Just working together on a team doesn't equal a relationship. You need some actual interactions. Warpath and Elixir were both on X-Force but I don't think they shared a line together.
I don't understand why Rogue was left out. Isn't she his "foster sister" and haven't they shared more tender moments than he has with Angel or Emma? Also Prof X is irrelevant now which is why he never says anything and Fraction obviously wishes he was dead.
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Ultimate Comic Avengers 2 #1 (3):
As a huge punisher fan I've always felt cheated that ultimate punisher is you know... bland punisher. Shoot him up with super soldier serum, give him some war machine armor, change his origin... I go to ultimate not just for the streamlined origins but also for the differences. HOPEFULLY what they are doing with him will set him appart, and it looks like it has potential.
Behind on the x-books, I'll get back to you guys.
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do they still have Vanisher?
Ok so I just read the preview for New Mutants 13 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5138&disp=table) and
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It appears Vanisher is dead now. So Scott is out of teleporters I'm pretty sure.
Oh what the crap! I really liked him! :angry:
Ok so using solicited covers and summaries and interview information I've assembled a list of X-Men who will survive Second Coming (barring misinformation and blatant lies):
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- Cyclops
- Beast
- Hope
- Wolverine
- X-23
- Rogue
- Indra
- Magneto
- Anole
- Loa
- Hellion
- Kitty
- Cannonball
- Dani
- Magma
- Cypher
- Warlock
- Karma
- Sunspot
- Emma
- Namor
- Gambit
- Psylocke
- Angel
- Storm
- Colossus
- X-Man
Heh, Pod... I was just going to point out that Vanisher meets a bit of trouble in the next issue of New Mutants. The previews already spoil that. The previews also show Domino and Vanisher off in a completely different part of San Fran... so why were they at the funeral in Uncanny. My gosh. Domino didn't even KNOW about Kurt and Ariel. It's like they keep wanting to prove to me how out of sync I already believe Uncanny is. Did they not talk about the flow of issues 4, 5, and 6 at all?
Anyway, what they did to Vanisher was so wrong. So wrong.
Unless Fraction or Dodson messed up (which wouldn't surprise me) I'm assuming that the New Mutants scene is meant to happen before the funeral. I don't remember Vanisher being shown at the funeral but Domino was definitely there at the end.
We haven't talked about Shadowland, guys. Is there no interest in it or the characters? Well, one of the writers I really like, Fred Van Lente, will be writing a Power Man mini! And since we had a thread that was closed and erased (not sure why) dealing with new heroes (to a degree), I think you all would be interested in knowing that this mini will introduce a NEW character into the Marvel verse. A young'n at that. Unfortunately, this new teenaged hero is taking on the role of becoming the next Power Man (and for once, he has a costume!), so we'll see how well that works out for him.
Quote from: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/shadowland-power-man-100511.htmlAmong all the gritty, street-level brawls inherent in a story like this summer's Shadowland event, one tie-in mini-series promises to lighten things up a bit while introducing a new young hero to the Marvel Universe.
Shadowland: Power Man, a four-issue mini-series by Fred Van Lente, starts in August with a teenaged hero in the lead role. This new Power Man has ties to both Iron Fist and Luke Cage, with a slew of newly revived street villains and a power set and origin that links him to Bullseye.
With art by Mahmud Asrar, Shadowland: Power Man takes place within the framework of the Shadowland event, which focuses on the battle between Daredevil and the heroes who oppose his reign as a kingpin of New York City.
Newsarama talked to Van Lente about his mini-series to find out more about this new Power Man, how he's tied to Danny Rand, and which obscure Luke Cage villains will be showing up in his story.
Newsarama: What's the story behind the Power Man mini-series? And how does this arise out of the battle for New York City?
Fred Van Lente: The catchphrase for the Shadowland event is "The Battle for the Soul of New York." And I think the more we learn about Power Man, the more we come to understand that he is, in fact, the soul of New York.
And so this battle is playing out in a grand scale in the main book, and sort of microcosmically in our book, where we introduce the all-new, all-different, all-awesome Power Man.
Nrama: You say "all new," so this doesn't have anything to do with the old Power Man?
Van Lente: I didn't say that. That's an excellent point. It has quite a lot to do with Luke Cage and Iron Fist. A new Power Man comes on the scene, a hero for hire who advertises on the internet, of course, where all good classifieds can be found now. Unfortunately for him, this is not good timing for becoming a superhero in New York City, because in the areas controlled by Daredevil and The Hand, they have forbidden all, what they call, "costumes" to operate without their sanction.
So he has the Hand after him, and he also has Luke Cage and Iron Fist after him, ostensibly to save him, but also to find out who he is and what the heck he thinks he's doing. Is he going to join The Hand? Is he going to ally himself with Daredevil? Or will he ally himself with the heroes who are attempting to stop Daredevil before he goes insane with power?
I don't know about this new Power Man. I'd feel better if I knew there was a plan to spin him off into another book like Young Allies or something. Too often they introduce these new characters, some of which are really cool, in minis or an arc and there's no real plan to use them beyond that.
Although his design is kinda cool. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1273575620)
Speaking of Young Allies, Arana is getting a new costume. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26163)
I'm wondering if this might be related to events in Grim Hunt.
Well, if you're gonna bring up Young Allies, I'm gonna bring up this interview, which mentions their rivals: The Ba****ds of Evil! (http://comics.ign.com/articles/107/1075917p1.html)
I'm actually kinda shocked that they're going to revive another Heroes Reborn character. Welcome back, Manbull/Toro?
Love the art and I love Gravity. I'm in a good mood now.
Crap, if they have Arana and Tarantula in shadowland I might have to get it....
So, I read Siege #4, and my overall feeling for this issue was a serious case of "MEH." I was so unimpressed. From parts of this story being spoiled 2 weeks ago to the actual issue being pushed back twice and then not actually having much weight to it, there's a real sense of disappointment for me. Bendis didn't even see fit to explain what was going on with Norman's face (I believe he just called it paint... must have been a random idea he just added for no reason), and the fight was VERY underwhelming. Both of them. But I guess it's nice to see yet another character explode? I thought that was a Sentry only thing as he exploded at least 6 times in Dark Avengers alone.
Anyway, the majority of the issue was a fight scene that seemed incredibly one sided (no big moments at all... but that's been every fight scene in the main book), and the ending put the Avengers on even ground trying to find their way in the world. I want to say that Steve Rogers's scene tied back into Captain America Reborn, and I really hope this is the LAST TIME I see Bucky and Capt go through their little song and dance about who should be Cap. We've been over it 5 times now, and that's all Siege: Captain America was about. We don't have to keep going over it. I'd rate this issue a low 2. I probably expected too much but is that my fault? Marvel hyped it, Bendis hyped it, and it's an event. I should expect more, and it should deliver on some level. It didn't.
UGH! Can someone please explain to me why a character that is just one big retcon continues to retcon history with characters he's not even associated with? Why in the world would Paul Jenkins find it acceptable to alter Rogue's history with this nonsense. I'm so annoyed.
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Seems The Sentry was Rogue's first love now. Yes, he and Rogue had a romantic fling because he was apparently the only one she could touch.
Siege #4 was as eventful as reading a spoiler. :thumbdown:
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UGH! Can someone please explain to me why a character that is just one big retcon continues to retcon history with characters he's not even associated with? Why in the world would Paul Jenkins find it acceptable to alter Rogue's history with this nonsense. I'm so annoyed.
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Seems The Sentry was Rogue's first love now. Yes, he and Rogue had a romantic fling because he was apparently the only one she could touch.
Because Paul Jenkins is a complete and total hack?
I read four books today: Siege, Second Coming, Initiative and Spider-Man. I found all of them were reasonably enjoyable.
Siege was fairly predictable. The art, which I've really liked, seemed less cool in this issue. I think Coipel was in a bit of a rush. the story was alright, but nothing special. One thing that did bug me was that the SHRA was just thrown out, it just seemed like a waste.
X-Men was alright, mostly just more setup and some character development. It was my worst of the week because little happened. Will probably read better as part of a whole.
Mixed feelings about the
Initiative. This has been one of my favorite books over the last couple years, but the Siege arc was a low point. Too much repeating scenes from Siege and some of the books weakest art. This last issue was better, Gage tried to stuff alot of stuff into the issue and give the series a good conclusion. Some characters who have been barely used in the last few issues like Cloud9, Hardball, Komodo, and the Nazi have some scenes - which I loved because I like those characters alot - but they come out kind of tacked on since these characters have been lightly used. And Hardball got some kind of redemption for no reason apparently. But don't get me wrong, I'm very happy that Gage touched on so many of the characters in the book. Some spoilers:
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- Tigra had her baby back when Osborn took over. It's a cat boy and the cat people she got her powers from have been taking care of it.
- The New Warriors are thinking about getting back together.
- Hardball gave Komodo her powers back
- Gauntlet went back to fight in Afghanistan
- Tigra decides not to kill the Hood
- Tigra and Justice decide they want to teach - setting up Avengers Academy
I think that's it...
The art was nice in some spots, but inconsistent. I could see Molina being pretty good in a year or two but right now he needs a lot of refinement.
Anyway, good book, I'm going to miss it.
Last book of the day was
Amazing Spider-Man. Part 2 of the Lizard story line and I'm really liking it. It's got this horror vibe to it with the Lizard being portrayed more a giant monster. Also it's using the Kravens in a significant way which for me is a big plus. Bachalo is the main artist but theres a second artist who did the opening sequence and I was very happy with both.
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Thanks to Ana and Alyosha Kraven's intervention the Lizard eats Dr. Connors son, apparently killing Dr. Connors. Very powerful sequence.
The issue reminded me alot of the Rhino story. This was my favorite book for this week.
GM, that's extreme. Why do you think that about Paul? I remember his original Sentry stories, and some of them were OK.
Anyway, Red Hulk and Red She hulk were finally revealed this week (almost 3 years later?).
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They are Thunderbolt Ross and Betty Ross respectively
Pod, one of your initiative spoilers is incomplete. Hardball gave Komodo what?
ETA: Just going to add this here until I actually review something else. Avengers #1 preview (http://previews.diamondcomics.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=6&s=783&ai=95227) featuring the NEXT AVENGERS!
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GM, that's extreme. Why do you think that about Paul? I remember his original Sentry stories, and some of them were OK.
Anyway, Red Hulk and Red She hulk were finally revealed this week (almost 3 years later?).
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They are Thunderbolt Ross and Betty Ross respectively
Pod, one of your initiative spoilers is incomplete. Hardball gave Komodo what?
That reveal was so obvious. Urgh this whole Red Hulk thing lost it's novelty to me. I still like the character design though.
Oops, sorry Prev. That must have been when I decided to add in the list. It's fixed now.
So that's who they are. Interesting.
I still dont get how red hulk is who he is.
Siege #4: give or take exactly what I expected. Probably would have packed more punch if it did not come out delayed and after some comics that spoiled what was going to happen but I liked it.
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It is nice to see that the "obligatory self sacrifice" that every arc has was by a character with some motivation (bittersweet revenge for Asgard) and the power to do what he did.
Otherwise still catching up... zero comics budget but I need to pick up the initiative ones, did not know ALL THAT happened. Hope to see more Komodo in the future.
Quote from: Previsionary on May 13, 2010, 03:36:55 AM
GM, that's extreme. Why do you think that about Paul? I remember his original Sentry stories, and some of them were OK.
Anyway, Red Hulk and Red She hulk were finally revealed this week (almost 3 years later?).
Spoiler
They are Thunderbolt Ross and Betty Ross respectively
Pod, one of your initiative spoilers is incomplete. Hardball gave Komodo what?
ETA: Just going to add this here until I actually review something else. Avengers #1 preview (http://previews.diamondcomics.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=6&s=783&ai=95227) featuring the NEXT AVENGERS!
1. Paul Jenkins' work on Civil War cheesed me off bigtime, and may cloud my judgement towards his other stuff. (And I hate Sentry, so to me there's no such thing as a good Sentry story....unless they do one that completely wipes him out of existence)
2. The Red Hulk and Red She-Hulk reveal sounds to me like a case of "we had absolutely no clue what were were doing and never thought this out, so lets just go with two of the most obvious choices because we're lazy and an original thought would hurt our brains." SOOO glad I don't read the Hulk books.
My biggest problem with Siege is the main books. If you didn't read ANY of the tie ins (or New Avengers, Thor, and Siege: LOKI), you wouldn't know anything at all about Loki's motivation and why he did his sudden 180. He wasn't even in the first 3 books, so his appearance was very jarring. None of that was expounded upon in the book. That's bad story telling on Bendis's side. I also find it highly ironic that one of the 500 books he writes spoiled what was going to happen to Loki. All this did for me is just affirm why I hate when Bendis is writing events (along with the majority of the tie ins). Marvel needs to reduce his role and show more love to their other talents NOT originally from Ultimate Marvel.
[Yes, I find it very annoying that he managed to work in the Bucky/Steve "passing of the torch" dialogue for the 5th time, but not actual plot points]
With that said, I really disliked the fight scenes. No creative planning there at all. Just punch, punch, kick... basically, the heroes button mashed the boss and somehow came out on top. Once again, if over 3 years weren't dedicated to making NORMAL Sentry seem like such a top tier character, w/ more emphasis put on his dark side, then maybe it'd be more believable. I just can't get behind the way they beat him. He became a giant tentacled monster that just hovered about in place waving his tentacles around while the heroes beat on him (and he healed). He did nothing to fight back, then 2-3 pages later, a single hero can beat him. *shakes head*
BTB, I remember Bendis saying this issue would have been double sized. Did I just imagine that?
ETA: Ya'know, I just noted how many ways were set up to help take down Sentry. Spear of Odin, Phobos, and the Norn Stones, yet only one of them came into play. Heck, neither Spider-man or Tony were part of Norman's downfall. So many potential good stories wiped away in one moment.
Namor: The First Mutant (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.12484.exclusive~colon~_new_namor_ongoing_series) -- about time Namor gets a new book!
Second Coming Ch. 8 preview (http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/127376829362148.htm) -- Look at those Land mouths!
As someone who didn't read any of the Bendis tie-in books I didn't really have much difficulty following Siege. Yeah I'm probably not getting the full picture but I thought it read alright by itself. So what was I missing with Loki?
So will this Namor book be working off X-Men or will he be doing his own thing?
And in the Legacy preview did Luke Cage join the X-Men between scenes? Honestly I have no idea who the bald black guy with the goatee is supposed to be.
I'm pretty turned on by those Land mouths. Eew.
Quote from: Podmark on May 13, 2010, 05:50:56 PM
As someone who didn't read any of the Bendis tie-in books I didn't really have much difficulty following Siege. Yeah I'm probably not getting the full picture but I thought it read alright by itself. So what was I missing with Loki?
Siege: Loki wasn't a Bendis book. It was written by current Thor writer, Kieron Gillen. The important thing about Loki's motivations were revealed in JMS's - Kieron's Thor run, and Siege: Loki was specifically about this event. It revealed that Loki was tired of Asgard following its cycle (Thor being noble, Baldur being brave, etc.) and decided it needed to be cleaned. This is what led to him manipulating Norman. This also explains part of the story in New Mutants in regards to Dani and her role as a valkryie. It's a very important part of the story that "Siege" didn't even bother to cover. It shows just how cunning and manipulative Loki was being, and how far ahead he planned. He, Hela, and Mephisto even made arrangements for something that should be coming into play. It also explains why Loki's "situation" is not such a big deal to him. All important things that should have been apparent in the main book. Without some of these plot points, you're missing concepts and stories that have been put into play. Having Loki only appear in a few scenes in Siege 4 when he's nowhere to be found in Siege 1-3 is just weird... and yet, we got to see Asgard fall almost 200 [exag.] times. Loki didn't just change his mind in this story, dear Pod; he's attempting to make his mark on this world. In his words: "This isn't mischief. This is Mayhem. Just watch."
[I suppose it also shows how right the Mighty Avengers were in not trusting Hank's misguided decisions.]
Obviously, Thor 609 was the follow up, which showed Loki pleading with Baldur, putting more of his plans into effect.
Quote from: Podmark on May 13, 2010, 05:50:56 PMSo will this Namor book be working off X-Men or will he be doing his own thing?
It says spin-off... and atlantean vampires... so I think it's a combo of both.
Quote from: Podmark on May 13, 2010, 05:50:56 PMAnd in the Legacy preview did Luke Cage join the X-Men between scenes? Honestly I have no idea who the bald black guy with the goatee is supposed to be.
LOL. I was scratching my head trying to figure out who that guy was. I automatically went, "Is Bishop back? Wait... that's a New Mutants costume. Did Roberto become black?" I also thought it was an older Prodigy.
Hmm, sounds like at least some of that should have been in there, but the way you described it it sounds pretty involved and only lightly related to the main point of Siege. It actually sounds like the kind of thing that would be prefect for a tie - specifically a Thor tie-in as it's most relevant to that series.
Quote from: Previsionary on May 13, 2010, 06:35:59 PM
I also thought it was an older Prodigy.
But Prodigy was just shown on the previous page! Arrgh Land :banghead:
Yes, it was fine for a tie in, but some of it should have been in Siege because Loki was pushing things... and what was Siege about? The Siege of Asgard. So, you know.... :P.
I will review something else... in this space. Later.
Marvels Project #8 (4):
Ed brubaker's take on Marvel's golden age finally comes to a conclusion, and I must say I enjoyed the ride. With the majority of the book focused on what happened on Dec. 7, 1941 in two different locations, we finally get to see the formation of some of Marvel's earlier heroic teams! That's right, the Invaders and The Howling Commandos. There were some subtle character building moments in the book that I truly enjoyed like Jim Hammond's (Human Torch I) response to the destruction of pearl harbor and how inhuman people could behave, and I loved how the book closed on a circular note. I give this issue a 4. When this is put out in trade, I recommend that you all consider giving it a read.
Deadpool Team Up #893 (1):
The only reason I picked this book up is because of Captain Britain. I'm not a fan of
Deadpool Team Up. I wasn't a fan of it from issue one (or #899, since this is its gimmick), which was written by Fred Van Lente (which Murs reminded me of. I had effectively wiped it from my mind) and featured Hercules, Deadpool, and Arcade. This set up reminds me of what
Cable and Deadpool did for their final few issues except it was more successful. It also reminds me of Ultimate Trio (http://frp.unlimited2.net/ultimate-trio-the-script/), written by me, which you all need to go read. Anyway, the story in this issue is that Deadpool is traveling to England to grab some of Slaymaster's hidden stash (and there's some intense stereotyping in this sequence). Meanwhile, Pete Wisdom and some random techie are alerting Brian/Captain Britain of this stash as well and send him after it, considering Slaymaster is Brian's (and Psylocke's) old enemy. Anyway, the two characters eventually meet up and the typical misunderstanding (which has been the basis of every book thus far to my knowledge) occurs, which makes the two go at it while the main threat accomplishes his goal.
I want to take a sidebar for a second and point out the art in this issue is fairly blah. I've also got a problem with all the accents and double box captions in this issue. It annoyed me, and I already dislike the triple personality that D. Way introduced during his run. And if I see one more joke about all of Deadpool's monthly titles, I will go down to Marvel's office and off them.
To end this, this issue bordered on offensive quite a few time and relayed HEAVILY on every stereotype it could. From Deadpool mimicking all the Bond accents, and then speaking bad "English" (read: British dialect), to the "culture switch," which made Captain Britain speak like a surfer... or a stoner... or Ashton Kutcher. I didn't enjoy the book at all, and I'm reminded why I haven't picked up this book since the first issue.
1 out of 5. If I had my choice, I'd say lets leave Slaymaster and his legacy alone. We just got rid of the time hopping one last year; we definitely don't need anyone to take up that mantle. Overall, this book was a mess. Possibly the worst of the DP books. I originally thought that title belonged to
Merc w/ a Mouth, but I was wrong. Not recommended at all. Sorry, Rob Williams. I'm not impressed.
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Siege was about the fall of the Dark Reign and the rise of the Heroic Age. Asgard was really more of a backdrop and a vehicle to work Thor back into the Avengers.
That's the Marvel reason, Podnifico, not the in-universe reason. They were in Asgard, Loki had major plans for Asgard all throughout Dark Reign, and then he was only in a few pages of the main book where he did nothing of importance other than be a target. I guess I expected too much because not even Dark Reign, or the actions therein, played a big part in what went down in this event. Everything just seemed like an afterthought.
Anyways, is Tony rich again (with assets to his name) or is he not? I was already aware from Bendis's Siege #1 script that he thinks his scripts influences what Fraction does, but Invincible Ironman #25 and Siege #4 leave Tony in two completely different states financially. I wish the writers appeared to be on the same page sometimes.
If anyone ever thinks I'm tough on books (and lit in general), then this reviewer (http://comicbookrevolution.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=377:siege-4-review&catid=67:marvel&Itemid=70) makes me look like a novice. :P
Also, added a few reviews to my previous post.
As critical as the reviewer is, he's absolutely right. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first 3 issues of Siege but that has to be the worst event conclusion I have ever read in my life.
Quote from: thanoson on May 13, 2010, 05:53:50 PM
I'm pretty turned on by those Land mouths. Eew.
Speaking of which I present to you a bunch of Manara mouths. Yeah, Manara has an X-Men special coming out soon in the US.
Work safe... but still suggestive.
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Quote from: Previsionary on May 13, 2010, 06:35:59 PM
Siege: Loki wasn't a Bendis book. It was written by current Thor writer, Kieron Gillen.
Kieron's writing for the big boys now? That's kinda awesome. I mostly remember him from his time on PC Gamer in the late 90s (and, of course, from Phonogram). Is he actually any good at writing existing Marvel characters? (The plot as you described it sounds a bit odd, Prev, but I figure that's an editorial decision.)
Kieron's writes an adequate Thor book. I enjoy his stuff. His Siege one shot is a top tier tie in (with Siege: Captain America being a low tier one to put it in perspective). I guess you need to know some of what happened in Thor, Dark Reign, and the actual Siege event to understand the particulars of Siege: Loki. As it stands, Kieron handles Thor and the asgardians as well as JMS did. The shift in writers wasn't very noticeable to me at all, so that's a major accomplishment.
Lugaru, I saw scans of that book when it came out in Europe. I wasn't impressed that Claremont would even endorse and write such a thing.
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Quote from: thanoson on May 13, 2010, 05:53:50 PM
I'm pretty turned on by those Land mouths. Eew.
Speaking of which I present to you a bunch of Manara mouths. Yeah, Manara has an X-Men special coming out soon in the US.
Work safe... but still suggestive.
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XdP6Lp2ceqY/S85MDzB06GI/AAAAAAAAOb8/tCmsZGxTGiA/s1600/xwomen1.jpg)
*Shakes head* And people say women aren't taken seriously in comics. How silly.
That is really a bit much, hmm?
Brubaker on Secret Avengers: http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.12491.secret_avengers_assemble
First off, I only collect a limited amount of comics, so I've missed a lot of what's happened the past few years. Please forgive me if I sound ignorant or make an incorrect statement.
That being said, I have to agree that Siege #4 was disappointing. The artwork was suprisingly poor and inconsistent. I love Coipel's work and this was really a letdown. Podmark mentioned that he thought Coipel may have been rushed, but honestly, I don't see how that can happen. If he's working on other titles, that would be a factor. The only reason for him to be rushed is if they didn't get the story to him in proper time. I would think that a universe altering event like this would have been planned out well in advance and would take precedence over anything else, seeing that it affects so many characters. Even with a delayed release, the quality was still subpar.
As someone already stated, the timing of events was poor throughout the whole series. I know this can be difficult due to all the tie-ins and delays, but
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I saw Loki get blown to smithereens weeks ago in another title, so this event lost all impact for me in Siege #4
I guess I'm pretty much agreeing with everything that Prev said. The fight scene was pretty unspectacular. I don't know how you have a being that literally ripped one god to pieces and obliterated another to have so much difficulty with the group he faced at the end.
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I would have at least expected Thor to have to resort to his God-Force to do any damage.
I also think the motivation for those who assisted in the defense was a little skewed. It seemed like they were more concerned with getting in the way of Normon's plans than assisting Thor and Asgard. I mean, Thor has faced death multiple times alongside a number of these characters.
On that last note, I noticed three distinct absences in the defense of Asgard.
1. Beta Ray Bill: He's doing the cosmic thing, so I can understand his absence. Though, I believe the Asgardians would have some way to reach him.
2. Hercules: From what I was able to research, Olympus had it's own issues that he was tending to and ended up dying. (Though, it looks like he will be restored)
3. Tarene (Thor Girl): The last time I saw her was when Ragnarok took on The Initiative a little while ago. She owes Thor and Asgard quite a bit and I was surprised not to see her in attendance.
And, lastly, a question: Wasn't The Void extracted from The Sentry by Emma frost? I have a friend who collects the X-Men titles who filled me in on this. He doesn't keep up with his reading, though, and had no answers for me when I asked him how The Void was back with The Sentry.
Well, thanks for reading my little rant and I'm sorry I'm not current with my current Marvel Universe happenings.
A lot of the top comics artist take more than a month to finish an issue, so despite lead time many of them can't do more than 3 or 4 issues in a row before they needed a break. I'm quite sure Coipel is one of these artists as Thor was regularly delayed while he was on it. The delay is unlikely to be Bendis' fault since he writes multiple books that ship on time. I'm pretty sure Coipel got behind on schedule and was rushing to get the book finished without too much of a delay. But that has happened on every big event.
I'm disappointed we didn't see any Tarene either - not in the main book but in the Initiative or Thor. Wasn't Thor fighting Ragnarok in his own book? Tarene didn't show up did she?
No, Thor nor Thor Girl fought Ragnarok. The other Asgardians (Volstagg specifically) did. Thor wasn't in the Thor book during the Siege tie in. It was effectively The Asgardian book at the time.
I personally would like Bendis to write less books. Ignoring that I have serious issues with his writing ticks (that have not improved in years), it just seems like Marvel is stretching him thin, so a lot of his work becomes mediocre and falls into the "hit and miss" territory more often than it probably should. Marvel is the only company that I know of that would put such a large work load on one writer, despite how well he may handle it, and expect him to deliver gold over and over. Apply that thinking to other things in the real world and see how it would fall apart and how many more people would complain. It's just not logical.
Overall, Marvel is too lapse on their delays. What other job let's you miss your scheduled deadline repeatedly with no consequence? Once in awhile? Fine. Several months later? No... there's something wrong there. Again, I point to Astonishing X-men still not being done while the relaunched Astonishing book started last week. Astonishing X-men #35 has been pushed back around 10 times (8 months?), and we're still no closer to getting it. Meanwhile, X-men Forever is about to hit the 30 issues benchmark and it's been around a year. I'm all for nice art, but if the delays are causing issues for other people (and a series of other books), then I really don't think it should be tolerated. This isn't aimed at Coipel specifically, btb.
Quote from: murs47 on May 13, 2010, 10:45:22 PM
As critical as the reviewer is, he's absolutely right. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first 3 issues of Siege but that has to be the worst event conclusion I have ever read in my life.
Haven't
almost every Bendis-involved big event ended with a thud? It seems to me, most of them don't make sense, have huge plot holes, don't pan out and/or leave many readers wondering, "WTF?".
Dana
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Quote from: murs47 on May 13, 2010, 10:45:22 PM
As critical as the reviewer is, he's absolutely right. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first 3 issues of Siege but that has to be the worst event conclusion I have ever read in my life.
Haven't almost every Bendis-involved big event ended with a thud? It seems to me, most of them don't make sense, have huge plot holes, don't pan out and/or leave many readers wondering, "WTF?".
Dana
I'd say so, yes. But the conclusion to Siege, quite frankly, just felt unprofessional. I feel Bendis didn't try and Coipel rushed his pencils. And some how Marvel allowed this half-hearted product to hit the shelves. While the other events didn't have spectacular endings they were at least worth reading. As terrible as Siege #4 was, it does put us into the "Heroic Age" which looks to have a bunch of fun titles and stories in for us to read.
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Quote from: murs47 on May 13, 2010, 10:45:22 PM
As critical as the reviewer is, he's absolutely right. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first 3 issues of Siege but that has to be the worst event conclusion I have ever read in my life.
Haven't almost every Bendis-involved big event ended with a thud? It seems to me, most of them don't make sense, have huge plot holes, don't pan out and/or leave many readers wondering, "WTF?".
Dana
Pretty much. What are all the big, Bendis-scripted events so far? Avengers Disassembled (Didn't read), House of M (kinda funky idea, but totally irrelevant except for the last page), Secret Invasion (dragged on way too long), and Siege? Am I missing any by Bendis? The guy just isn't good at big action.
QuoteI'm disappointed we didn't see any Tarene either - not in the main book but in the Initiative or Thor. Wasn't Thor fighting Ragnarok in his own book? Tarene didn't show up did she?
From the preview cover on the last page of last month's Thor, it looks like Thor will FINALLY be taking on Ragnarok this month (Thor comes out the last week of the month). Long overdue in my opinion.
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Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on May 15, 2010, 05:13:14 AM
Quote from: murs47 on May 13, 2010, 10:45:22 PM
As critical as the reviewer is, he's absolutely right. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first 3 issues of Siege but that has to be the worst event conclusion I have ever read in my life.
Haven't almost every Bendis-involved big event ended with a thud? It seems to me, most of them don't make sense, have huge plot holes, don't pan out and/or leave many readers wondering, "WTF?".
Dana
Pretty much. What are all the big, Bendis-scripted events so far? Avengers Disassembled (Didn't read), House of M (kinda funky idea, but totally irrelevant except for the last page), Secret Invasion (dragged on way too long), and Siege? Am I missing any by Bendis? The guy just isn't good at big action.
Siege #4 was just a series of "heroes-punch-villains" panels, with no characterization, or great moments. We heard a lot of hype about Osborn's plans and about the Sentry and then...
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Cap punches Osborn, Thor punches The Sentry, end of the game. Remember when heroes would make a plan to stop a cosmic powerful villain? In most of recent crossovers the "plan" is only "we jumped on and punch him!".
On one hand I'm glad that they did not have to build some crazy device or perform some other deus ex machina action but on the other hand things did resolve a little too neatly given how awesome all other issues leading up to this had been. 3 made it feel like the end of the world, 4 was a little too "superfirends" punch punch and it is over.
That could have been adverted if the majority of the latter half of Dark Avengers wasn't dedicated to making Sentry and the Void (who was just black eyed Sentry at the time... so tentacle monster was random to me) into a god pastiche (or angel of death. Whatever). Having Sentry rebuild himself from molecules, explode 500 times, and attempt suicide by throwing himself into the sun made it difficult to write a convincing ending, I think. Couple that with Bendis avoiding giving him an interesting story or power cap, and never actually defining his power, must have made Sentry a difficult boss to fight in an event he somehow became the big bad of (Dark Reign was about Norman, right? Bendis probably should have reworked his ideas a bit more. I also find it amusing that he's the only one that has been altering Bob significantly, and he never had an "out" thought up).
With that said, us readers weren't even given a day to enjoy Sentry being gone. His "funeral" issue took all that away.
Anyway, I'm still wondering how the SHRA was revoked in a single day just because Norman is out of power and Steve is now at the forefront. Osborn didn't have anything to do with that act passing. That was a Tony Stark/Civil War storyline. Why was it reduced to just a ticker? Why wasn't any time dedicated to fighting the SHRA during Dark Reign? It only served as a plot point for Iron Man (for part of an arc) and wasn't a big deal elsewhere. So much story potential just wasted. I eagerly await the day Marvel and DC stop with all the events, focus in on the plots they want to highlight, and give the climax, denouement, and fallout just as much time as they dedicate to the main event.
Presumably Cap said "You want me in? I want the SHRA out" and the president (notably a different president then when it was passed) agreed. I didn't like it either.
What I would have done is switched the SHRA to a less oppressive system. Something more voluntary but still enforcing a level of responsibility.
So did Fallen leave an out for Sentry's return?
Quote from: Podmark on May 16, 2010, 07:51:30 AM
So did Fallen leave an out for Sentry's return?
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Kind of, I guess. His crazy robot, Cloc, showed up and told everyone he will be preparing for his master's return.
Cloc basically came out and said that Sentry wrote journal entries instructing it of what to do when he was indisposed and that he would return at some undetermined time in a pre-established location Robert owns. So yes, he has an out that is as vague as his powers and history. :P
Superhuman registration is a tricky thing, conceptually.
Half the thrill of heroes is that they are putting on masks to anonymously do what they think is right. And yeah, at the same time they are super powerful and should be registered.
I liked it during civil war because there was a conflict, but I dont know if there is any way Cap could have his own "beningn" registration act, especially after dying to fight it (several year old spoiler!).
Did not dig the Fallen Sun comic, but the CLOC bit was kind of a trip.
Has anyone read Spidey/Wolverine and Astonishing X-Men yet? I have not made it out to the shop but I think they should be out. I'm especially curious about Astonishing.
I thought the way the SHRA should have been dealt with is something along the lines of this:
It backfires. Something bad happens as a result of its passage. For instance, a crooked politician or a supervillain who has infiltrated the government gets access to the database and people start getting killed (think of something along the lines of the Scourge of the Underworld, except this time its really lame heroes and their relatives being killed instead of villains). The government tries to cover it up, but somehow the superhuman community finds out the truth.
This results in a march on Washington (a protest, NOT an attack), with an ultimatum given to the government. They either:
1. Do away with the SHRA completely and wipe out the database; no backup copies.
or
2. Appoint a superhuman representative to Congress (basically making the superhuman community the 51st state) who oversees the SHRA, serves on any committee regarding superhuman related issues and is elected only by the votes of registered superhumans, with the general public not getting to vote.
I have Astonishing Spidey/Wolvie, but haven't read it yet. It's by Jason Aaron, which already guarantees it'll be readable, and I have seen GREAT reviews for it on most sites. I wanted to review it 2 weeks ago, but... life happens (yes, it came out before Siege completed).
I have read AXM: Xenogenesis, and luckily, you don't need Ellis's previous issues to follow up on it. It's about babies being born with deadly super powers in an area near Wakanda (the exact name escapes me) and the X-men have to check it out. That's all it's about... quite literally. Most of the book is just character interaction with Wolverine going on about African history. Black Panther (T'challa) also makes an appearance to give Storm the news. It's an average read at best. It also comes with Ellis's script at the end, and it shows you just how much Kaare Andrews deviated from the script. On the topic of art, Kaare's cartoonish style is wonky. He draws the worst Emma I've seen in ages. Her chest is distractingly huge (there's a panel where she's talking to Wolverine, and they're inches away from his face. I don't know how he could see over them or carry on with his conversation), her face is of the "butter" variety, and her age is beginning to show as her body looked quite deformed and saggy. I was disgusted... but at least someone finally talked about her accent, and Scott seems to be a mix of classic Cyclops and current one. I'd give it a 3. More probably could have happened in the issue to push it along, but it is what it is. I have a bit of trouble of recommending it at the $4 price tag, though.
Ellis also did some explaining on why he has 2 Astonishing X-men titles running simultaneously on his site if you care to find out. The PC version anyway.
Quote from: GhostMachine on May 16, 2010, 12:57:38 PM
2. Appoint a superhuman representative to Congress (basically making the superhuman community the 51st state) who oversees the SHRA, serves on any committee regarding superhuman related issues and is elected only by the votes of registered superhumans, with the general public not getting to vote.
They had that more or less with Iron Man. When Norman took over he was technically in charge but Tony (I think it was Tony) wiped the database before he left.
I'm glad Prev reminded me: the art on AXM Xenogenesis was terrible - not to my taste at all.
Quote from: Talavar on May 15, 2010, 01:22:34 PMQuote from: cmdrkoenig67 on May 15, 2010, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: murs47 on May 13, 2010, 10:45:22 PMAs critical as the reviewer is, he's absolutely right. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first 3 issues of Siege but that has to be the worst event conclusion I have ever read in my life.
Haven't almost every Bendis-involved big event ended with a thud? It seems to me, most of them don't make sense, have huge plot holes, don't pan out and/or leave many readers wondering, "WTF?".
Dana
Pretty much. What are all the big, Bendis-scripted events so far? Avengers Disassembled (Didn't read), House of M (kinda funky idea, but totally irrelevant except for the last page), Secret Invasion (dragged on way too long), and Siege? Am I missing any by Bendis? The guy just isn't good at big action.
Secret invasion's premise was GREAT! It was the ending that sucked. It sooo needed another issue to explain how the Skrulls lost.
i might have missed the thread but how does siege #4 end?everyone's disappointed with it.dont know if i'll buy the TPB.might since it involves thor and the asgardians.how went the battle between thor and sentry?just read thor 609.i,m rooting for the asgardians!i hate sentry so i hope thor put up a good fight.
... If you go back a page or two in this thread, you'll see a lot of our discussion on that issue and some of the tie-ins + a link to a spoiler-heavy review site, buddy.
Quote from: herodad1 on May 17, 2010, 10:11:15 PM
i might have missed the thread but how does siege #4 end?everyone's disappointed with it.dont know if i'll buy the TPB.might since it involves thor and the asgardians.how went the battle between thor and sentry?just read thor 609.i,m rooting for the asgardians!i hate sentry so i hope thor put up a good fight.
Most of us that read it agree..
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that the final issue was a huge build up to something that fizzled out quickly due to a rushed job while already way way behind schedule. (opens the comic) First off, we start off the issue with Loki suddenly having a change of heart about siding with Osborne and Sentry since both turned into such loose cannons and destroyed Asgard as a result. So he yanks away the Rune stones from The Hood and uses their power to "power up" the Avengers to help them take on the remaining bad guys (and Hood's villians suddenly wonder why their magic powers suddenly vanish) and Void (who has now suddenly become a half-spider Angel of Death). Of course Void doesn't approve of this change in gameplay and takes out Loki in a rather deja vu god-killing moment. Of course this swiftly ends the use of the Rune stone power up and the heroes once again have to face Void on just their own powers. Things start looking bad so Iron Man decides to override the controls on the giant HAMMER Helicarrier and ram it right down Void's throat in an epic explosion. When the dust clears the human side of Sentry is revealed in the middle of the crater and begging the heroes to kill him while they have the chance. Thor pauses to tell him that he will be arrested and put on trial for his crimes like Osborne which gives Void all the time he needs to recover and reassume control. Everyone panics and Thor just sighs and brings down a ultimate god-like lightning bolt by hitting the ground with his hammer and (we turn the page of the comic) find a burned out corpse of Sentry and we cut to New York City as Sentry's tower slowly fades away. The heroes try to understand what just happened and Thor wraps up the body and flies toward the sun and lets the body go so it burns up as it drifts into the solar flames. Cut back to the heroes talking with Captian America about what was going to happen next. Then cut to Steve Rogers standing in the Oval Office with the President asking him to step up into taking over the "top cop" spot since everyone else hasn't worked so far and Steve stating that if he did it would be only be "his way". Cut AGAIN to a party on top of Stark Tower with every hero involved with Seige in attentence and Thor along with a few Asgardians appear and use their magic to make a all-new Asgardian designed tower appear (in the place of Sentry's old tower) stating that Earth is now their allies and anyone who attacks one or the other will occur the wrath of both worlds. Thor also states that he is also willing to return to being an Avenger and that's when Steve arrives and announces that he will need everyone for what comes next. End.
That about covers it..
- CQ
thanks CQ! :thumbup:
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Quote from: Talavar on May 15, 2010, 01:22:34 PMQuote from: cmdrkoenig67 on May 15, 2010, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: murs47 on May 13, 2010, 10:45:22 PMAs critical as the reviewer is, he's absolutely right. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first 3 issues of Siege but that has to be the worst event conclusion I have ever read in my life.
Haven't almost every Bendis-involved big event ended with a thud? It seems to me, most of them don't make sense, have huge plot holes, don't pan out and/or leave many readers wondering, "WTF?".
Dana
Pretty much. What are all the big, Bendis-scripted events so far? Avengers Disassembled (Didn't read), House of M (kinda funky idea, but totally irrelevant except for the last page), Secret Invasion (dragged on way too long), and Siege? Am I missing any by Bendis? The guy just isn't good at big action.
Secret invasion's premise was GREAT! It was the ending that sucked. It sooo needed another issue to explain how the Skrulls lost.
Secret Invasion had its moments, but it dragged on way too long in the middle (8 issues? Really?) and the ending did suck, though not as badly as Siege. In Secret Invasion, the skrulls' advantage was secrecy, mistrust and numbers - with the first two gone, them losing a straight-up fight to earth's combined superhuman forces makes sense - losing to superheroes is what skrulls have been doing since the '60s. The Sentry had been built up and up and up as basically unbeatable ...
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only to be beaten by a few punches, a crashing helicarrier and Thor's lightning. How does any of that trump his ability to self-resurrect, as seen in Dark Avengers? It didn't make sense.
Sentry = Bad concept = Bad end
The equation makes perfect sense to me.
Bob basically got klled by Magic.
A new era is among us! What book did you all read? I read:
Avengers V4 #1 (3):
It's a new day in the lives of the Avengers, and with Bendis taking it upon himself to do new, and better, stuff (...), it's time we see just how good this book is. I've made no secret that I'm very mixed on Bendis's work (and having read some of his scripts, his repetitive nature is NOT unique to dialoge), but how did this book fare to me?
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Well, I'm going to start out with the art because that's immediately what got my attention. I know JRjr. is a legend in the comic industry, just as his father was before him, but his art just doesn't seem appropriate for this book. Some of the characters just look bad to me. I do understand they were going for an "old school," classic style, but it needs more refinement. There are just some characters that look ridiculous like Thor and his big, blocky head, and Spider-woman with her mop top hair do. Also, the cover I have has Wolverine and Spidey on the cover with the classic three. Why? Those are Bendis's pet characters. They don't belong on the cover. Not on this book (or the issue at least).
The first scene opens with a teaser of the NEXT Avengers confronting a deranged Immortus (thanks, AA) before heading into present day with Steve and the Avengers. Steve, as the new head in charge, has asked all the Avengers he could find to join him on his mission. Of course, the majority of them are happy (queue the double page montage of the Avenger just saying, "yes," with their own personal voices. I like to call it page waster.), but one man of the wonder variety thinks they're all insane. This will probably be a source on conflict for Wonder-man and Steve for the next few months (see issue 2).
Later on, Steve gets around to creating his first Avengers team, which consists of Hawkeye (Clint Barton), Spider-man, Wolverine, Ironman, Thor, Spider-woman (the only female), and Captain America (Bucky for those that don't accept him). And who'll lead this wonderful group of heroes? Tony Stark. Ha, no. I kid. Maria Hill. That's right; the person that got under Steve's collar the most (and sometimes Tony's) is the head of the Avengers.
While all this happy happy is going on, Kang decides to make an appearance to warn the The Avengers of upcoming problems. Of course, that's what he would have done if Thor, like any normal hero, didn't rush into action and start a fight. After Kang bounces around the city a few times, the heroes and him face off, only this time, Kang has the advantage as he's carrying a weapon Tony hasn't even made yet (but he immediately recognizes it as his Doom's day device). Now with everyone's attention in his grasp, Kang reveals that the children of the Avengers have defeated the Ultron of their world with a ruthlessness Alexander the Great would wince at, and the Avengers need to jump across time and deal with them as they do not know how to deal with their powers and new position in their timeline. If the Avengers help Kang, then he promises to never cause them suffering again.
The book ends with the Avengers discussing the possibility of going into the future and the mechanics of time travel that I really don't care to discuss. Since Tony doesn't have a time machine, they resolve to find someone who can help them. Coincidentally, Wolverine already has someone in mind. Meanwhile, in the future, Kang is revealed to be working with future Hulk and some female villain I didn't recognize.
After reading this issue, I'm left with a feeling of "meh." We went through Dark Reign and Siege for this? If you're going to relaunch Avengers, then it better be a BIG relaunch. It should be a premise that captivates me and makes me realize this is the team I have been missing. There should be things in motion here that make me feel GLUED to what I am reading. None of that happened. It felt like yet another resolution to Siege/Civil War with everyone just reverting to their classic forms (see: Hawkeye). Overall, I think this is a book that's going to suffer from Bendis-typical decompression, and this first issue made it more than obvious.
I give this issue a 3. When you're given 10+ more pages to move your story, please do something with them. It reminded me of Siege #4 all over again... minus the giant monster.
ETA: Anyone wanna explain to me why Bendis keeps writing the Bucky/Thor meeting scene? Didn't they already meet under his pen? Even better, haven't Bucky and Thor met just before Bucky "died" way back when? I clearly remember the two talking in an issue of "The Invaders," which I have.
It wasn't
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Strange
it was
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Immortus
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Damn you for beating me with a review.
Ack, my goof. Thanks, AA (though to be honest, that dude looked too much like Strange). You should write your review anyway. It's always good to get more perspectives!
Quote from: Previsionary on May 19, 2010, 07:46:36 PM
Ack, my goof. Thanks, AA (though to be honest, that dude looked too much like Strange). You should write your review anyway. It's always good to get more perspectives!
Well I was just going summarize with images and talk about how nothing happened but hey it's a Bendis book. I was surprised by
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Next Avengers showing up and being killers. I've never seen the DVD but I'm pretty sure they don't murder in it.
Ah Bendis. Also with the bad characterization.
Oh also!
I hated the art. It really made the story seem slower in my opinion. Which is weird because I loved his work on Kickass.
Speaking of bad art...Greg Land. It's not like Legacy was great this week anyway, but Land just dragged it straight down.
Quote from: Podmark on May 20, 2010, 12:02:00 AM
Speaking of bad art...Greg Land. It's not like Legacy was great this week anyway, but Land just dragged it straight down.
I only flipped through but yeah... the art seemed particularly bad.
I think the preview was more than enough to prove that. :P. How was the issue over all? The second part of Second Coming has been sloppy to me. I still can't believe a 20+ year old woman got into a fight with a teenaged, red-headed, time-jumping orphan. I... will review something else later. Maybe.
It mostly meh. I didn't have any specific problems with it other than the art, but nothing has really happened in a few issues. Next issue could very well be great with the setup at the end of Legacy.
Second Coming will probably read pretty well as a whole but this month has dragged. I almost wonder if maybe they should have rolled Hellbound into the main story. It seems a bit like they don't quite have enough material for 3 full months.
I looked through Avengers at the shop, because I'm curious about Kang (who's one of my favorite villains in comics), and I wanted to see how Bendis handles him. It didn't seem as bad as it could be but there were some lines that kinda annoyed me/seemed off to me. (not surprisingly, this happens a lot with Bendis when he writes mainstream 616 Marvel)
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-Bucky ( or Steve, I forget) calls Kang a "time terrorist" and Kang scoffs at that for being short-sighted, since Kang thinks in terms of the grand scheme of things. Yet a little later Kang says if the Avengers help him he would end his feud with them. If Kang thinks in such grand-scheme terms, why does he even consider the Avengers enemies? Admittedly I've not read all of the Kang appearances (though I've read most of the ones in the main Avengers book from the 60s to the 70s and most or all of the stuff since Busiek's run) but I figure Kang would consider the Avengers more of a minor inconvenience than anything. I mean the guy travels to all sorts of eras of time and space, I'm sure he does stuff that doesn't end up involving the Avengers (see: Kang's backstory in Avengers Forever)
-Kang claims that he tried to fight Ultron (or the kids, not 100%) "twenty times", with allies from all of time and space, but failed to stop them every time, and therefore needs the Avengers' help. Really? You realize the kind of high-tech, armies Kang could have access to and has in past stories. In Avengers Forever, seemingly hundreds of Avengers from time and space appeared for the final battle, and that included guys who'd never been Avengers in the regular timeline (including Songbird, for one). Why didn't Kang just get an army like that?
-Kang claims this is the first time he asked the Avengers to help him. I'm pretty sure that's wrong. For one thing, Kang worked with the Avengers during Avengers Forever.
Now I might be nitpicky about these things, but its little things like that in Bendis' writing that bug me. Regardless, I'll keep my eye on the rest of this arc to see how Kang is used (and I'm also curious about the supposed use of Spider-Girl).
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I've been noticing an awful lot of DC parallels at Marvel lately. Sentry is a Superman clone and for the past few years, Marvel has been aping DC's Silver Age...I mean, how many of Marvel's heroes and villains have children now (who all pretty much happen to be adults and are either heroes or villains too)? Three Hulk kids, Wolverine basically has two kids, Galactus even has a kid for criminy's sake!
Dana
Hulk has 2 kids unless I'm missing something; Wolverine has 3 + a clone (who would be like his younger sister); and Galactus does not have a child in mainstream marvel (unless they got around to confirming that digital comic + her appearance from '09 is canon). Also, Marvel has not been silver age inspired for the past few years and even the Heroic Age is just going back to what Marvel was before Bendis/Millar began morphing the universe into Ultimate Marvel clone.
I'm not really seeing the Marve/DC Silver age comparison. Marvel wasn't even copying DC's silver age during their own silver age.
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Hulk has 2 kids unless I'm missing something;
Skaar, Hiro-Kala and his sons if I understand correctly. Wasn't Scorpion thought to be his daughter? And isn't the Savage She-Hulk an alternate world daughter?
I think the reason why we're getting a lot of kids lately is for a number of reasons. The biggest one is that creators want to launch new characters and linking them to existing ones gives them the best chance of being successful. Another reason is that most of these characters have 30+ years of continuity behind them so children are often a way to cover new ground.
Yes, Lyra is his daughter (not alternate world... alternate time. She does have his actual DNA inside of her). What's the story behind Hiro-kala? The Scorpion/Hulk thing hasn't been touched on anymore. Scorpion is also a character that isn't used very much.
[This somehow reminded me that Echo/Ronin has been missing as well, though I hear Bendis will be using her for a story arc or two]
Alright dark humour warning:
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Preview for X-Force 27 (http://comics.ign.com/articles/109/1091423p1.html)
Think Julian can borrow that hand Bastion left in Nightcrawler?
Quote from: Previsionary on May 20, 2010, 11:24:45 PM
Yes, Lyra is his daughter (not alternate world... alternate time. She does have his actual DNA inside of her). What's the story behind Hiro-kala? The Scorpion/Hulk thing hasn't been touched on anymore. Scorpion is also a character that isn't used very much.
[This somehow reminded me that Echo/Ronin has been missing as well, though I hear Bendis will be using her for a story arc or two]
Have we even seen Echo since Stupid Invasion...Sorry...Secret Invasion, where she was supposedly "killed" by Veranke posing as Spider-Woman? Not that I really care, Bendis really hasn't even been able to write her correctly as a deaf character.
My DC Silver Age comparison was due to stories featuring the headlining heroes (mostly Superman and Batman) having kids...Even if it's an "imaginary story" like the Galactus' daughter story (many of DC's "heroes with kids" adventures took place in "Imaginary stories" in the 60s)...Should I bring up Marvel's recent fascination with gorillas/apes (LOL!)?
Sorry, I'm rather peeved that they've put Guardians of the Galaxy on hiatus, effectively killing the book.
Dana
Quote from: Podmark on May 21, 2010, 12:49:32 AM
Alright dark humour warning:
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Preview for X-Force 27 (http://comics.ign.com/articles/109/1091423p1.html)
Think Julian can borrow that hand Bastion left in Nightcrawler?
Um...Do his hands always do that when he uses his powers? I don't get it.
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The fight against Nimrod/Bastion would be over in less than a second if they'd just use Madison Jeffries to his potential.
Dana
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on May 21, 2010, 04:51:36 AM
Sorry, I'm rather peeved that they've put Guardians of the Galaxy on hiatus, effectively killing the book.
No idea what the ultimate fate of Guardians or Nova will be but the Thanos Imperative, essentially the two series put into one book, starts next week.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on May 21, 2010, 04:54:04 AM
Um...Do his hands always do that when he uses his powers? I don't get it.
No.
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One of the Nimrods has blasted off his hands with an attack. This is just the latest in a series of crappy things to happen in Hellion's life. Looking forward to his arc in Legacy. Will he get hooks? Robot hands? Will Josh be around to heal him?
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on May 21, 2010, 04:54:04 AM
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The fight against Nimrod/Bastion would be over in less than a second if they'd just use Madison Jeffries to his potential.
Dana
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I guess that's why Bastion already planned for that and has taken Jeffries out of the fight.
Yes... Madison isn't even on X-island anymore. Instead, he and the "X-club" are off dealing with their own stuff *see the tie in*
I don't really see how having kids is a DC silver age thing, but KK. A good deal of Marvel's heroes were having kids before this point, and Marvel usually doesn't try to force the headlining character into the background or an early grave as they [slowly] work on the next gen. They mostly share the stage.
And no, let's not talk about Marvel Apes (which people requested and bought) or their excellent use of Gorilla Man (thank heavens for Jeff Parker). We've already had that discussion last year. It's about moving forward now! That's right, FR is entering the Heroic Age. What that means exactly is a mystery... so... stay as you are, I guess? ^_^
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I'd love to know what's up with superhero comics and their need to dismember characters in some way. What, is this number 4 or 5 in the past few months? Also, can Elixir heal wounds like that? A wall probably fell on him... or a rock... that's why he's missing.
Quote from: Previsionary on May 21, 2010, 05:20:03 AM
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Also, can Elixir heal wounds like that? A wall probably fell on him... or a rock... that's why he's missing.
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Have you seen the damage that Elixir healed Vanisher from? In the second arc Porter was cut to ribbons including losing his jaw and Josh healed him of all of it in a second. In Necrosha Porter lost a limb among other damage and again Josh healed him in a second. When he's not hampered by a random coma or what not Josh can heal pretty much anything. It makes him a bit of a plot headache (hence the comas) so I wouldn't be surprised if he dies in Second Coming.
Elixir's current hindrance is "having trouble staying gold" after fighting Wither and Selene in Necrosha.
Elixir isn't really a character I pay attention to. I notice him, but I don't track his feats. The New X-men didn't really connect with me as a whole minus a few. I don't expect to see him at all in this arc though because it's an event... and they need pain, chaos, and death. Though an easy way to deal with Elixir, as I said before, would be to have Bastion aim for teleporters and healers. Josh could also be overwhelmed by using his powers too much. They just needed a bit of creative thinking to deal with him.
Well the New X-Men are my favorites, so I try to always keep track of them.
I actually fully expect Elixir to be with X-Force again in Second Coming. I'm expecting him to go on the mission into the future with the rest of the team. He seems to be on the cover, unless that's Cypher - who I think the solicits said would be going with X-Force into the future.
i lost all interest in the avengers comic when I saw the stupid kids from that crappy cartoon
I read Avengers #01 this week, and I've got to ask: does anyone have a large enough stick that we can use to pry Bendis off the Avengers books? I'm not a complete Bendis hater or anything - the man has some strengths - but he's all wrong for these characters and this type of book.
Quote from: Talavar on May 21, 2010, 09:40:26 PM
I read Avengers #01 this week, and I've got to ask: does anyone have a large enough stick that we can use to pry Bendis off the Avengers books? I'm not a complete Bendis hater or anything - the man has some strengths - but he's all wrong for these characters and this type of book.
I thought it was an ok start. Did I miss something?
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 21, 2010, 09:51:58 PM
Quote from: Talavar on May 21, 2010, 09:40:26 PM
I read Avengers #01 this week, and I've got to ask: does anyone have a large enough stick that we can use to pry Bendis off the Avengers books? I'm not a complete Bendis hater or anything - the man has some strengths - but he's all wrong for these characters and this type of book.
I thought it was an ok start. Did I miss something?
I didn't think it was
bad, exactly, just sort of 'meh.' A lot of the character's voices seem off and Bendis rarely delivers big action that satisfies (or makes any sense). I think dialogue is usually one of Bendis' strong points, but not here. Hopefully, the next issue will improve.
Oh, I also read X-Men Legacy 236, and Greg Land needs to go away from comics entirely.
Know what's the worst thing about Second Coming? Hope still doesn't do anything, and instead, they're giving us filler. Why is the middle portion of events always so difficult for X-writers? I'm actually annoyed by this because I keep seeing people ask what Hope does and when she'll show her powers. I guess less people read Cable than I expected, lol. It certainly shows that a few X-writers haven't because Hope goes from useful to useless every other issue.
Know what I loved? Psylocke casually going from telekinetically flying to being carried in Angel's arms then back to flying. Oh, Land.
Heroic Age: Prince of Power #1 (4)After the Fall of Hercules, this is Amadeus's true ushering in as Hercules's replacement written by the same creative team that handle Incredible Herc. How did it do, my fair FRers? Allow me to tell you.
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The book opens up with the Council of Godheads discussing who shall be the "Greatest Champion of the Heroic age." Obviously, the three main mascots are up for debate, but Athena, who was newly appointed to this position, suggests it can only be one person: Amadeus Cho, the new Prince of Power and current C.E.O. of the Olympus Group! But how will Amadeus, a boy with no real power beyond his brain, be able to stop evil? Enter the fight scene between Amadeus and Griffin, which shows that Amadeus, armed with Herc's adamantine mace and Banner's shield tech, is more than capable of protecting himself and the lives of innocents who get stuck in the way.
Later, Amadeus returns to the Olympus Group R&D lab where he runs into his assistant Hebe, who's worried about a large sum of money disappearing from the groups holding, and Banner. Amadeus reveals that he spent money on a machine that Banner built to search the multiverse for any signs of Hercules. This pleases Hebe, but unfortunately, Banner reveals that finding Hercules could take a nearly infinite amount of time.
Several pages of brooding later, enter Vali Halfling who presents Amadeus with a plan to become a legitimate god himself. He only has to collect several items and help him kill the gods. Amadeus thinks this over before setting into motion a plan of his own, effectively ridding himself of a nuisance. With the list to obtain forced godhood in his hands, Amadeus creates his own plan to obtain immortality, using it as a means to search for Hercules until he finds him. As he lands in Asgard, Amadeus immediately sets forth to grab an apple of Idunn only to discover he's been set up... and now he has to deal with a disappointed Thor! Drama!
I loved this book and having Cho as the leading character hasn't really damaged the brand at all, imo. Of course, some of the humor is missing now that Hercules is absent as the funny man, but the benefit of that is that Amadeus finally gets some much needed characterization that will hopefully evolve him into a more relatable character. Typically portrayed as the straight man with the never ending smarts and the sarcastic tongue, even Amadeus can bring some funny from time to time. One of the better things about the Herc books are the SFX. Name me one book where you'll see onomatopoeia such as "KRAKAHUMMMMAA," "CHOBOOM," and "REBOOOOOOT"? Can't do it? Exactly. The things that helped make this series what it is are still there; only Hercules is missing... and if Amadeus has anything to say about that, he'll find a way to bring that missing element back.
4 out of 5! Get it. Get it now. Next issue, expect some Thor and Cho fun.... But it is $4 dollars, so maybe wait on the trades. Books are expensive!
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Heroic Age: Prince of Power #1 (4)
After the Fall of Hercules, this is Amadeus's true ushering in as Hercules's replacement written by the same creative team that handle Incredible Herc. How did it do, my fair FRers? Allow me to tell you.
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The book opens up with the Council of Godheads discussing who shall be the "Greatest Champion of the Heroic age." Obviously, the three main mascots are up for debate, but Athena, who was newly appointed to this position, suggests it can only be one person: Amadeus Cho, the new Prince of Power and current C.E.O. of the Olympus Group! But how will Amadeus, a boy with no real power beyond his brain, be able to stop evil? Enter the fight scene between Amadeus and Griffin, which shows that Amadeus, armed with Herc's adamantine mace and Banner's shield tech, is more than capable of protecting himself and the lives of innocents who get stuck in the way.
Later, Amadeus returns to the Olympus Group R&D lab where he runs into his assistant Hebe, who's worried about a large sum of money disappearing from the groups holding, and Banner. Amadeus reveals that he spent money on a machine that Banner built to search the multiverse for any signs of Hercules. This pleases Hebe, but unfortunately, Banner reveals that finding Hercules could take a nearly infinite amount of time.
Several pages of brooding later, enter Vali Halfling who presents Amadeus with a plan to become a legitimate god himself. He only has to collect several items and help him kill the gods. Amadeus thinks this over before setting into motion a plan of his own, effectively ridding himself of a nuisance. With the list to obtain forced godhood in his hands, Amadeus creates his own plan to obtain immortality, using it as a means to search for Hercules until he finds him. As he lands in Asgard, Amadeus immediately sets forth to grab an apple of Idunn only to discover he's been set up... and now he has to deal with a disappointed Thor! Drama!
I loved this book and having Cho as the leading character hasn't really damaged the brand at all, imo. Of course, some of the humor is missing now that Hercules is absent as the funny man, but the benefit of that is that Amadeus finally gets some much needed characterization that will hopefully evolve him into a more relatable character. Typically portrayed as the straight man with the never ending smarts and the sarcastic tongue, even Amadeus can bring some funny from time to time. One of the better things about the Herc books are the SFX. Name me one book where you'll see onomatopoeia such as "KRAKAHUMMMMAA," "CHOBOOM," and "REBOOOOOOT"? Can't do it? Exactly. The things that helped make this series what it is are still there; only Hercules is missing... and if Amadeus has anything to say about that, he'll find a way to bring that missing element back. 4 out of 5! Get it. Get it now. Next issue, expect some Thor and Cho fun.... But it is $4 dollars, so maybe wait on the trades. Books are expensive!
Cho is prime example of how a minority character can be fostered and promoted correctly. I'm so amazed with how much love Marvel has for characters while DC murders it's one non-stereotypical Asian lead. RIP Ryan Choi. Long Live Amadeus Cho.
Incredible Hercules has been one of my favourite Marvel titles since it launched, and Prince of Power was a fine continuation. I did miss Hercules himself though, and hope it's not too long before he rejoins the title.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 22, 2010, 01:04:14 PM
Quote from: Previsionary on May 22, 2010, 12:13:36 PM
Heroic Age: Prince of Power #1 (4)
After the Fall of Hercules, this is Amadeus's true ushering in as Hercules's replacement written by the same creative team that handle Incredible Herc. How did it do, my fair FRers? Allow me to tell you.
Spoiler
The book opens up with the Council of Godheads discussing who shall be the "Greatest Champion of the Heroic age." Obviously, the three main mascots are up for debate, but Athena, who was newly appointed to this position, suggests it can only be one person: Amadeus Cho, the new Prince of Power and current C.E.O. of the Olympus Group! But how will Amadeus, a boy with no real power beyond his brain, be able to stop evil? Enter the fight scene between Amadeus and Griffin, which shows that Amadeus, armed with Herc's adamantine mace and Banner's shield tech, is more than capable of protecting himself and the lives of innocents who get stuck in the way.
Later, Amadeus returns to the Olympus Group R&D lab where he runs into his assistant Hebe, who's worried about a large sum of money disappearing from the groups holding, and Banner. Amadeus reveals that he spent money on a machine that Banner built to search the multiverse for any signs of Hercules. This pleases Hebe, but unfortunately, Banner reveals that finding Hercules could take a nearly infinite amount of time.
Several pages of brooding later, enter Vali Halfling who presents Amadeus with a plan to become a legitimate god himself. He only has to collect several items and help him kill the gods. Amadeus thinks this over before setting into motion a plan of his own, effectively ridding himself of a nuisance. With the list to obtain forced godhood in his hands, Amadeus creates his own plan to obtain immortality, using it as a means to search for Hercules until he finds him. As he lands in Asgard, Amadeus immediately sets forth to grab an apple of Idunn only to discover he's been set up... and now he has to deal with a disappointed Thor! Drama!
I loved this book and having Cho as the leading character hasn't really damaged the brand at all, imo. Of course, some of the humor is missing now that Hercules is absent as the funny man, but the benefit of that is that Amadeus finally gets some much needed characterization that will hopefully evolve him into a more relatable character. Typically portrayed as the straight man with the never ending smarts and the sarcastic tongue, even Amadeus can bring some funny from time to time. One of the better things about the Herc books are the SFX. Name me one book where you'll see onomatopoeia such as "KRAKAHUMMMMAA," "CHOBOOM," and "REBOOOOOOT"? Can't do it? Exactly. The things that helped make this series what it is are still there; only Hercules is missing... and if Amadeus has anything to say about that, he'll find a way to bring that missing element back. 4 out of 5! Get it. Get it now. Next issue, expect some Thor and Cho fun.... But it is $4 dollars, so maybe wait on the trades. Books are expensive!
Cho is prime example of how a minority character can be fostered and promoted correctly. I'm so amazed with how much love Marvel has for characters while DC murders it's one non-stereotypical Asian lead. RIP Ryan Choi. Long Live Amadeus Cho.
not a fan of the great ten, then?
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Heroic Age: Prince of Power #1 (4)
After the Fall of Hercules, this is Amadeus's true ushering in as Hercules's replacement written by the same creative team that handle Incredible Herc. How did it do, my fair FRers? Allow me to tell you.
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The book opens up with the Council of Godheads discussing who shall be the "Greatest Champion of the Heroic age." Obviously, the three main mascots are up for debate, but Athena, who was newly appointed to this position, suggests it can only be one person: Amadeus Cho, the new Prince of Power and current C.E.O. of the Olympus Group! But how will Amadeus, a boy with no real power beyond his brain, be able to stop evil? Enter the fight scene between Amadeus and Griffin, which shows that Amadeus, armed with Herc's adamantine mace and Banner's shield tech, is more than capable of protecting himself and the lives of innocents who get stuck in the way.
Later, Amadeus returns to the Olympus Group R&D lab where he runs into his assistant Hebe, who's worried about a large sum of money disappearing from the groups holding, and Banner. Amadeus reveals that he spent money on a machine that Banner built to search the multiverse for any signs of Hercules. This pleases Hebe, but unfortunately, Banner reveals that finding Hercules could take a nearly infinite amount of time.
Several pages of brooding later, enter Vali Halfling who presents Amadeus with a plan to become a legitimate god himself. He only has to collect several items and help him kill the gods. Amadeus thinks this over before setting into motion a plan of his own, effectively ridding himself of a nuisance. With the list to obtain forced godhood in his hands, Amadeus creates his own plan to obtain immortality, using it as a means to search for Hercules until he finds him. As he lands in Asgard, Amadeus immediately sets forth to grab an apple of Idunn only to discover he's been set up... and now he has to deal with a disappointed Thor! Drama!
I loved this book and having Cho as the leading character hasn't really damaged the brand at all, imo. Of course, some of the humor is missing now that Hercules is absent as the funny man, but the benefit of that is that Amadeus finally gets some much needed characterization that will hopefully evolve him into a more relatable character. Typically portrayed as the straight man with the never ending smarts and the sarcastic tongue, even Amadeus can bring some funny from time to time. One of the better things about the Herc books are the SFX. Name me one book where you'll see onomatopoeia such as "KRAKAHUMMMMAA," "CHOBOOM," and "REBOOOOOOT"? Can't do it? Exactly. The things that helped make this series what it is are still there; only Hercules is missing... and if Amadeus has anything to say about that, he'll find a way to bring that missing element back. 4 out of 5! Get it. Get it now. Next issue, expect some Thor and Cho fun.... But it is $4 dollars, so maybe wait on the trades. Books are expensive!
Cho is prime example of how a minority character can be fostered and promoted correctly. I'm so amazed with how much love Marvel has for characters while DC murders it's one non-stereotypical Asian lead. RIP Ryan Choi. Long Live Amadeus Cho.
not a fan of the great ten, then?
No. I'm not a fan of caricatures of Asians whose powers are being Asian. Seriously their powersets are offensive - super pregnancy, really?
lol, i was kidding.
there's still kimiyo hoshi, who deserves a lot more than she's getting (mcduffie and robinson... ugh).
So, I was reading a list of tropes randomly and ended up on Bendis's entry (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrianBendis) (I actually almost called this man, "Bentry."). One thing that immediately caught my eye was the Whedon/Diablo Cody dialogue comparison. That... has never occurred to me. Ever. Has anyone ever read any of BMB's work and connected it with Whedon's Buffyisms or Diablo Cody's Junoisms? I'm sincerely curious as I'm reading a book now that actually DOES remind me of early Buffy to a degree (which I hopefully will blog about one day).
I take it more to mean he has a specific style of dialogue, not necessarily the same style as Whedon or Diablo.
Quote from: Previsionary on May 20, 2010, 11:24:45 PMYes, Lyra is his daughter (not alternate world... alternate time. She does have his actual DNA inside of her). What's the story behind Hiro-kala? The Scorpion/Hulk thing hasn't been touched on anymore. Scorpion is also a character that isn't used very much.
Scorpion, aka Carmilla Black, aka Thanassee Rapaccini is the daughter of the AIM scientist supreme Monica Rapaccini. It's been confirmed that Bruce Banner was romantically involved with Monica shortly before she got pregnant, but I don't think they've ever directly stated who the father is.
I do see a similarity between Bendis, Whedon and Diablo Cody though - not that they all have the same style, but they do all use a stylistic, pop-culture-reference dropping, inventive-slang using form of dialogue that suits some characters and feels awkward coming out of other characters' mouths. During Whedon's run on Astonishing X-men, Kitty Pryde could have fit right in among the cast of Buffy, for instance, and Bendis' run on Ultimate Spider-man was always a favourite of mine until Jeph Loeb nuked the Ultimate universe.
Of the three of them (well, mainly two - Diablo Cody has only written 2 movies, and I've only seen one of them) I think Whedon is the best at stretching beyond his linguistic tics. He better found the 'voice' of the other X-men characters than I think Bendis gets certain characters (Captain America/Steve Rogers, traditional, monologuing villains, and I've never thought he writes a very good Wolverine).
I always said Whedon's Kitty was just her masquerading as a differently powered Buffy, as ironic as that may be considering the story behind the character. It's just, I've never even considered Bendis's dialogue style to be that... stylistic. He has more of a "realistic," repeats several times, full of interruptions, gritty/street level, swear-happy, and long-winded type of approach that I don't really get from the other two (I have two frames of references for Diablo: Juno and U.S. of Tara [which is a dramatically different style with some of her same ticks. Check it out.])
With that said, the current book I'm reviewing, even with it's different style, automatically made me think of Whedon's linguistic method, and it doesn't use the slang or the awkward/quirky approach at all.
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I do see a similarity between Bendis, Whedon and Diablo Cody though - not that they all have the same style, but they do all use a stylistic, pop-culture-reference dropping, inventive-slang using form of dialogue that suits some characters and feels awkward coming out of other characters' mouths. During Whedon's run on Astonishing X-men, Kitty Pryde could have fit right in among the cast of Buffy, for instance, and Bendis' run on Ultimate Spider-man was always a favourite of mine until Jeph Loeb nuked the Ultimate universe.
Of the three of them (well, mainly two - Diablo Cody has only written 2 movies, and I've only seen one of them) I think Whedon is the best at stretching beyond his linguistic tics. He better found the 'voice' of the other X-men characters than I think Bendis gets certain characters (Captain America/Steve Rogers, traditional, monologuing villains, and I've never thought he writes a very good Wolverine).
I really like that! Hmm... you know what is the big flaw with those 3 writers? They lend the vocal ticks and cutesy dialog to EVERYONE instead of one or two characters. I mean yeah, Whedon and Bendis can have the villains talk tough but that is inevitable (I dont think Diablo has done anything yet with "badguys") but they seem to almost be incapable of thinking in a voice that is not overthought.
*points out U.S. of Tara again*
Diablo can vary up her ticks a bit to not rely on that strange dialogue style she implemented in Juno. U.S. of Tara has relatively normal dialogue, as it should since it deals with a realistic subject matter with humor and drama thrown in, but you can still tell it's Diablo's work (yes, other writers come in and out). I think with an editor, all three of them can be better than what they are.
Yeah... I'm trying not to say Diablo might be the better writer (since she has done less work) but "Jennifer's Body" was better writen than a movie of it's sort deserved to be. Whedon had some killer moments in Buffy too and Bendis really kicks with a small or street level cast. Yeah, let's buy them a round of editors.
I picked up Avengers #1 with the hope that the Heroic Age will be something more than another crossover.
I really didn't hate it. It was okay. I don't think a battle with Kang should last about one panel, but whatever.
I suspect Marvel is giving me a nice bagel (which I like) but once I bite into it I'll find out it was made with puppy brains or something. I just feel like this is a big set up for something I will completely hate.
I'm hoping for something like the first few arcs of New Avengers, big crazy stories that had no particular overarching plot. You know... the pre-civil war days. I'm talking out of my @$$ but I expect at least 8 - 12 normal issues.
Secret Avengers #1 (4)The next Avenger team is assembled and heading into action with Brubaker behind the wheel. The last time Brubaker had a team book, it didn't turn out too well. It definitely wasn't bad, but it had a case of being so completely average and drawn out that it left many feeling indifferent until the benefit of hindsight came into play. How will Brubaker fare with this team book? Let's take a look. It's in a book. It's
Reading Rainbow!
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We open up to a scene of Black Widow and Valkryie working undercover by seducing a Roxxon Senior VP. All is going well until the women make it into the VP's office where things quickly take a turn for the worse when the VP violates Valkryie's space. As a fight breaks out, the women make quick work of their opponents, with the help of Steve Rogers, of course (once again in two places at one time...), and secure a secret box they were after. Steve congratulates them on a job well done, and they all take off in their plane completely unaware that they left a traceable heat signature.
Enter Beast who reveals that the artifact they were after -- The Serpent's crown -- is not what they retrieved. After a bit more of exposition I won't go through, Steve makes his way to the pilot seat and talks with Sharon. This is where we get a brief Invaders reference, which is a good series you all should read, and a bit of romance.
Meanwhile in Delaware, Antman III and Moonknight strike another Roxxon corporation and attempt to recover some intel. While this is going on, we get quick scenes of their recruitment into the Secret Avengers. These panels work for me and are fairly simple, 1 page setups. No time is wasted unnecessarily, which I think works in the books favor. As the intel transfers, Beast digs through the information and discovers that Roxxon had men digging on Mars and all their information disappeared around the same time the Serpent crown was found.
Two nights later, Steve reassembles his team and alerts them that they will be heading for Mars with the last member of the team. Unfortunately, that morning, Steve lost contact with the last addition -- Nova -- because he was'attacked by primitive creatures in humvees shooting blasts at him he can't absorb. As Nova attempts to escape, her burrows into a mountain and discovers and discovers as crown. As Richard forsakens his helmet, the worldmind warns him. What could possibly happen?!
The book ends on a cliffhanger as Sharon is attacked by none other than... NICK FURY!
I loved this issue. It didn't feature a bunch of heroes sitting around talking at each other while the villains did nothing, but it also didn't just drop us into a story with no set up or exposition. Every member of the team got the spotlight and some character moments, and we got all the info we could need without it being jammed into our heads. I loved the character interaction between Antman III and Moonknight, and I liked that the book attempted to work in "joining" scenes for at least three of the members without the need for a 2 page montage of people saying "yes." This is the type of setup issue I enjoy. Compared to his X-men work, Brubaker is off to a good start and I give this issue a 4. It may please you all that Beast even refers to his previous time as an Avenger as his personality seems to be stable again. Maybe he
DID need to get away from the X-men because he seems to be his best when he's not around them of late.
All in all, it's nice to see Steve in a new role still leading a team of Avengers. With Brubaker at the helm, it seems completely natural. It actually worries me now to think of a time where Brubaker won't be in charge of Bucky and Steve's development. This has been such a great ride that I'd hate to see what'll happen if Marvel picks the wrong guy to follow him. Oh well, let's stick to the present, right?
In other news, looks like this $4 price tag is gonna stick. Looks like I'll be dropping a few more books.
Well good to hear Bru's Avengers are starting off well. Honestly wasn't sure what to expect from this. How's Antman written?
I was concerned about Nova being on the team but I took a look at today's interview with Bru at Newsarama where he said Nova wouldn't be used much because he had his own ongoing. That seems to imply the cosmic will continue in some form at least.
Speaking of...
Some thoughts on some of my books this week.
Thanos Imperative Ignition was really good, all the story elements of Realm of Kings are coming into play. I'm actually glad they put Nova and Guardians on hold (hopefully) for this because the story reads better without having to do tie-ins (also it's lighter on the wallet). Of course I want Nova and GotG back when it's over. One surprising twist:
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Adam Magus, the main antagonist of GotG lately, was quickly killed for failure by the new big bag from the Fault - Evil Mar-Vell.
4/5
Enjoyed this week's Second Coming. To start, art was a million suns better than Greg Land.
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The first 10 or so pages are a pretty decent wordless fight scene where we learn the Nimrods must have been massively downgraded in the future so that individual X-Men can destroy them on their own. The rest of the issue sets up the threat and has Cable and Cypher join whats left of X-Force to go to the future and stop the Nimrods. The only thing that really bugged me is that Warpath and Elixir aren't mentioned. Elixir in particular because while he'd be useless against Sentinels, he could have healed Julian and Iceman - but I guess he can't heal right now? Why can't the actual book tell me this?
4/5
Also read the first issue of the new Tbolts run. The whole issue is just setting up the team, Cage talking to each member and telling us why they were chosen. There's some spotty characterization/use of history here and there that bugged, the art was a little hit or miss, and overall it was mostly meh. Nothing bad per se but nothing great either. I wasn't even sure I wanted to pick up the next issue...until I hit the last page:
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And Baron Freaking Zemo shows up. That's one way to make sure I buy the next one.
You guys know I'm HUGE fan of Zemo in Tbolts right?
3/5
last page 10/5
Honestly, Antman doesn't get a lot of dialogue in this issue. He keeps his "funny man" and superficial nature, and he's not on this team for complete redemption. Obviously, he wants to be on a more public team just so he could get the immediate benefits such as women and fame. ^^. Also, his helmet has been upgraded a bit.
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For all intents and purposes, this is a wrap-up issues that has the Asgardians cleaning up the remains of Asgard. Thor is no longer exiled but refuses to return to the throne, opting instead to be an adviser to Baldur, Volstagg attempts to make up for his part in Siege, and Kelda finally gets to see Bill again, although she can't be with him. For those that wanted the Ragnarok/Thor fight, you might enjoy the final 4-5 pages as the two exchange blows and a reference to Black Goliath is made.
. I was a little iffy on the art in this book, and I found that some of the fighting scenes weren't as lucid as they could have been. Nothing exciting but it does its job.
Wolverine: Weapon X #13 (3.5):
Over the past few issues, Wolverine has been on a mission to stop the Dethloks from killing Captain America in an effort to alter the future. You'd think this would mean Steve after the opening issue, but surprisingly, it's Bucky! What's with this Roxxon company anyway? They're so... evil.
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22 years in the future, a mob protests to Roxxon's control. They will be no one's corporate whore, dannit. So, of course, they must be dealt with. Enter: The Dethloks and commence a killing spree. Luckily, however, Peter Parker is on the scene and guns down as many Dethloks as he can before he's killed off.
Present day: Spider-man comes across a fallen Dethlok and attempts to help it, not realizing this thing is an enemy. Dethlok responds by kindly sending Peter through a wall. Meanwhile, Bucky and Wolverine are still fighting Dethloks. They're faring well, but the fight gets even more fair when Steve, Thing, Luke, Ironfist, Spider-man, and Spider-woman arrive and join the fray. I would like to stop here and point out that J. Aaron does an adequate job at writing Spidey and the other Avengers. He should have taken one of Bendis's books.
With the Avengers on the scene, Wolverine and the people he's protecting give Steve and the others all the information they know. Steve then decides to round up all the targets he can find and relocate them to the Baxter building for safekeeping. During the interim, Wolverine and Bucky head to one of Osborn's ex-lackeys and try to get some information on the Dethlok's he'll create in the future (this scene references the Dark Reign: Wolverine one shot.). Since this goon isn't providing any useful info, Wolverine suggest they kill the man. That doesn't happen... well, not in the way you would expect. Instead, a broken down, headless Dethlok brought in by Wolvie wakes up and shoves an arm through the doctor's back.
The book ends on yet another cliffhanger. The New Avengers have been defeated at their base, and Wolverine and Bucky have been taken off guard. The dethloks new objective: Kill Miranda, the girl Wolvie has been protecting.
I'm not typically a fan of time travel stuff, but it didn't play a big role in this issue. Jason writes a wonderful Spider-man, and the riffs between Thing and Spidey reminded me of the interaction between the characters in Slott's "The Thing" ongoing that was canceled much too soon. The scenes featuring Bucky and Wolvie were also great because it shows that these two characters still have tension between them but can get along. No other book shows them like that. Not
New Avengers nor
Black Widow. It's a nice dynamic that plays off well. For such an action heavy, plot forward book, it's good to see Aaron work in some humor were he can without it feeling too force. There was a scene with the doctor, although, where I thought the jeers were pushing it a little too far, but overall, if Marvel ever decides to cut Bendis down to one book, Aaron would be my choice for the next
New Avengers writer. Also, once again, Steve is everywhere. He must have caught the Logan disease.
Age of Heroes #1 (2):
Yet another anthology series by Marvel that will usher us into yet another new (old) age with no STATED definition. I haven't heard good things about this book, but I like to make my own decisions in life. I encourage everyone to do the same... but when I recommend a book, you should go buy it. I obviously don't grade lightly. :P
JJJ in "Thumb on the Pulse" by Kurt Busiek and Marko DjurdjevicSpoiler
This story is completely one sided and nothing you haven't seen before with JJJ. After the events of Siege #4, JJJ is preparing a speech for Queen's in order to make them see that Costumed vigilantes are dangerous and we, as people, should be backing real heroes -- everyday people. He even goes so far as to call Norman a good man that was driven mad by the heroic community. As JJJ walks down the street, still working on his speech, the news breaks that a town is about to be washed away by a giant flood caused by the fall of Asgard. JJJ smiles to himself as the Avengers heads into action. He expects the people to hate them, but instead, the public cheer for the work the Avengers do to save the town. The vignette ends with JJJ being disappointed as he changes his speech to honor the Avengers instead; however, he will be keeping the old speech on file... just in case.
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If one were to blink, they'd forget that Doc Voodoo was the new Sorcerer Supreme. Anyway, Jericho takes a girl on a date to make up with her after abandoning her on the first one. Unfortunately, life is never that simple for a hero as he's almost immediately called into action to handle a creature known as the Hypermind. After all that is done, Jericho returns to his date and manages to make things work out in his favor.
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At the gov't reception of the British superheroes, with Steve presiding, the MI13 are celebrated for their work and progress as a team. As Steve congratulates the team, he stops at Brian and tells him that he has already invited Dane/Black Knight back to the team, but he'd love for Brian to consider joining as well. THis shocks the whole team, especially Pete who goes on a small tirade against Steve and needing Capt. B around to handle threats as the first line of defense. After Meggan/Gloriana and the rest of the team voice their opinion, Pete allows Brian to serve both teams after they work out a time-share agreement.
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Um... Spider-man catches Griffin and New York still hates him.
The JJJ story was pointless to me. Did we really need to see such a one dimensional tale of a man that has had the same shtick for over 40 years? Although I don't recall him hating the sum total of the heroic community, this story didn't do anything for me but cement that JJJ is a character desperately in the need of a storyline that doesn't play him off as a loud-mouth, arrogant, and bitter man that refuses to change. I'm actually going to juxtapose 616 JJJ with Ultimate JJJ. You see, when Bendis wrote his farewell issues to the original Ultimate Marvel and Spider-man using JJJ as a mouth piece, it worked. The character was given depth and realized that he wasn't always right in his firm beliefs. He realized that Spider-man was doing something good for the community, and he, JJJ, was just giving Spidey a hard time. I wanted something like that to happen in this story. It didn't. It was useless. Ironically, a flood was used in both stories to force JJJ's change in opinion.
2 out of 5.The Doc Voodoo story was nothing to bat an eye it. It's there, and that's all you need to know. You've seen the setup in a million different sitcoms by now.
3 out of 5. I did find it odd that Jericho, a known lady's man, I guess, is now after a new woman after professing his feelings for Monica/Photon a few months back.
As far as a 2 page story goes, it's OK. I don't remember Brian's name being brought up for any Avenger book, so we'll see what happens. The last time a Capt. Britain was on the team, she barely did much and ended up in a horrible series in cahoots with an evil Capt Brit... and then landed up in limbo, never to be heard from again.
3 out of 5.Remember when I said the JJJ piece was useless? Well... this is the epitome of "Why are you in this book." Sorry, Slott, you should have passed on this 1 pager.
1 out of 5.Overall, like most Marvel anthologies, this is a mixed bag of poor to OK stories with a variance in pages allotted to the story being told. Averaging my scores, this is a low
2 out of 5 [2.25 for you math whizzes]. Not recommended.
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Having not read X-force yet, I don't think Iceman "should" need a healer depending on what happened to him. He should be able to take care of himself for the most part. Of course, this is relying on the fact that writers remember what he's capable of with his powers.
I picked up Secret Avengers this week, more out of curiosity than anything else, and I thought it was pretty good. It was better than the Avengers.
I haven't read a Marvel comic other than Nova and GotG for the last two or three years so...
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What is the Shadow Council, and why is Nick Fury the leader, and does Steve Rogers know about it?
X-Force 27/Second Coming: Biggest question that needs answering now - where the heck is Elixir?
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Karma and Hellion could be up and about in no time, let alone Bobby, who shouldn't even have been burned (I hate when writers forget that Iceman and Colossus don't just coat themselves in ice/metal but actually become ice/metal, and that Bobby can actually come back from being vaporized). I know having a healer with his power-level can be frustrating, but the writers need to stop pretending he doesn't exist.
Also - why was Surge so visibly upset? Hellion's injuries, or am I missing something?
I'm personally with fine the Nimrod sentinels' diminishing returns - it's been a long time since most of the X-men have fought one (the new new X-men not withstanding) and there's been a lot of power creep among the team. If the new X-men can take one down - which they did - I have no problem with Namor being able to handle a couple.
get Jason Aaron on New Avengers, stat! He writes these characters quite nicely, at least in this cameo. Otherwise, I get a feeling of been there, done that from the plot - how many competing dystopian futures does Marvel have at the moment? Maybe they should fight each other.
Secret Avengers 1: Very nice first issue, like others have already said. We get some action
and some team set-up, and the team dynamic is working much better than when Brubaker wrote Uncanny X-men (which wasn't bad, just bland). Xenolith:
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the Shadow Council & Nick Fury's involvement with it are new developments. As far as I know, this is their first appearance.
Having read X-force now, I'm not fond on several pages being wordless especially since not all of the action was clear on the first read, imo. And I really wish the writers would figure out where they want Iceman's power levels to be because he seems to be near his O5 levels now... as in extremely inefficient with his powers and relying too heavily on ice beams (Iceman would actually be very proficient to use in these types of situations if utilized correctly). Funny... just last year he relearned how to walk through fire in ice form, and he knows how to heal himself using his ice abilities under the right circumstances... with that said, isn't it funny how in the Uncanny previews, Iceman looks to be fine and fighting? At least the rest of the X-men know about X-force now.
Xeno, Talavar is correct in regards to the spoilers.
Talavar:
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As I've mentioned before there is a kinda explanation of why Elixir can't heal right now. Apparently he's having trouble staying gold - which presumably inhibits his ability to heal. Still I'd have appreciated a throw away line in one of the crossover issues explaining away this fact. I'm also annoyed at his lack of appearances because he knows Hope's secret and you'd think someone would want to know.
Iceman is back up and fighting in the Uncanny in two weeks. Saw the preview pics up at Marvel. Guess his injuries weren't severe. As to how he could even be hurt like that, either Yost and Kyle screwed up, or it's possible the Nimrod used an attack that neutralized his powers - I can't remember if they do that or not.
Also does Bobby always become ice rather than just being coated? Or is that a more powerful use of his powers?
I think Surge is so upset because of Hellion's injuries and the hopelessness of the situation. Surge was (is?) leader of the New X-Men and takes the rest of the kids well being pretty hard. She feels it's her job to protect them. Also she's probably closest to Hellion of the remaining kids since Prodigy broke up with her - she's a bit of a loner.
Anyway Surge is back up and fighting in the next issue too.
Keep in mind that 7 New X-Men and Forge just barely beat a damaged Nimrod that was in a less powerful body at the time. I can easily agree that the X-Men are stronger than when they first fought Nimrod, and Namor is a significant addition to the team, but the Nimrods should have been better than their showing in X-Force. Most of them were going down in one hit. But this is actually pretty common when you have a really powerful enemy attack in large amounts later in a series (for example the uber vamps in season 7 of Buffy).
Yes, Iceman becomes ice the same way Torch used to become a pure ball of fire. It's been described as organic ice. This is why I said his levels seem to be going back to his O5 days. Back then, his temperature just lowered, and he covered himself with thick snow. That eventually developed into ice armor... but for the past few years, it's been living ice.
Pod, did you happen to pick up the Blind Science tie in to Second Coming?
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Yes, Iceman becomes ice the same way Torch used to become a pure ball of fire. It's been described as organic ice. This is why I said his levels seem to be going back to his O5 days. Back then, his temperature just lowered, and he covered himself with thick snow. That eventually developed into ice armor... but for the past few years, it's been living ice.
...and before that he coverd himself with ice, and before that he turned into ice, and before that... you get the picture. I still remember the bit where he first went "icy", and you could actually see through him...
So... I reread Second Coming: Prepare today and realized Karma was being operated on in that book. Looks like Elixir won't be coming to her aid. -_-.
I think my favorite Marvel book of the week was Thunderbolts. I really loved the exaggerated art and the cliffhanger. The only thing that bothered me was the Man-Thing...thing. It was just too complex feeling more like a DC tactic. Also, why the prison guards didn't hose down Ghost is beyond me.
Avengers Prime #1 (3)Another week, another Bendis book. Why does he have a monopoly on the Avengers when he can barely write 4 distinct characters? I'll never know. Marvel, recognize his strengths already. Gritty street books is his forte. It's what he keeps returning to (see: Scarlet). That's not what the Avengers are, but I'm fine with him keeping his pet book unless Jason Aaron wants it. :P. So, remember when Bendis said that Tony, Steve, and Thor would resolve their issues in a talk-filled mini. Here it is. Was Avengers Prime any different (or actually needed) from Avengers V4 #1? Check the review.
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Almost immediately after Siege, Marvel's [forced] prime 3 watch as Asgard burns away. Thor is a bit distraught, and Steve asks what he'll need to help with the rebuilding of Asgard. Ironman makes it a point to mention that anything can be rebuilt and usually for the better. This sets off the "talking" we were waiting for. Steve and Tony begin to exchange words, and we can tell how much vitriol remains between these characters despite one of them being "dead" for a few years and the other suffering from a forced mind blanking. Eventually, Thor breaks them up and they head for Heimdall's observatory where we learn that the rainbow road is broken and that it'll have to be blocked off. Before anything can be done, however, Ironman, Thor, and Steve find themselves whisked away, and separated, in... um... the only appropriate word would be "fantasy/mystical land."
The book ends with all three characters dealing with their fair share of drama. Tony must repair his armor as something off screen confronts him, Steve gets into a match between a house of trolls (I suppose) and takes some of their gear, and Thor is caught off guard and attacked by The Enchantress.
This book.... Allow me to collect my thoughts. When Bendis promoted this a few months ago, it was built up as a series where Steve and Tony would finally resolve their issues. Well, when that moment comes in issue 1, it's broken apart before we actually get to anything new. This was just a rehash of what was going on between them in their Civil War days except the roles are reversed and Thor is alive. Before we can get anymore characterization, all three characters are whisked away into three separate locations where the fallout of Siege and Civil War are tossed aside, and it becomes an action adventure comic. I question the ideology behind that decision. We're not given a reason for why these characters are whisked away or why they ended up in different locations, though we can infer, but I can only hope the next 4 issues (which I'm sure this could be a 3 issue tale realistically...) make up for issue 1's faults. The art is nice to look at though, but I'm left wondering how long after Siege this issue took place since Steve is in his black costume (which he had in New Avengers but not in Siege...), Tony is still in an old armor, and Clint is in his Hawkeye gear instead of his Ronin stuff.
I give it a 3. Passable, but not very intriguing.
Isn't Prime Bi-Monthly? This is going to be a long mini...
Yep, bimonthly. By the time it's done, it'll probably be another case of "what was the point of this book again, and why did it take so long to complete?" I'm thinking it's to give Davis time to finish, but this thing would have been better off as a "talky" one shot where they actually got to the point instead of shoving it aside in order to give us unneeded and unseemingly connected action. This point is especially clear since by the time it completes, Tony, Thor, and Cap will have already moved on by almost a year's time, and they already appeared to be fine in Siege #4 and Avengers #1. Seems like a misstep giving the circumstances. I mean, Tony is already in new armor, and people are complaining about the Steve/Tony scene in the beginning of the book where Steve was considering whether or not Tony needed access to his OLD armors after Siege, but OK then.
*note: That scene didn't even come across as much of a big deal to me*
It's gotta be Davis. Bendis has never had a problem being late with multiple books a month.
Considering Amora's personality, Thor doesn't have much to worry about. :p (she'd rather sleep with him than kill him)
ahhh thor....what a rough life he has. :lol:
X-men #1 preview: http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.12753.sneak_peek~colon~_x-men_%231
I must say, there's nothing there that interests me at all. I feel like I'm growing further apart from the team that initially caught my interest everyday. Also, I wish they'd stop showing previews months in advance when they have a giant "status changing" event going on. It just doesn't make sense to me. I can do with less Pixie as well.
Well it didn't turn me off, but it doesn't have me all excited either. I'd really like if this series was good, I'm not expecting it but another good X-Men book is always a plus for me.
Also I can add 4 more to my list of X-Men that survive Second Coming.
Quote from: Previsionary on June 07, 2010, 03:53:29 PM
X-men #1 preview: http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.12753.sneak_peek~colon~_x-men_%231
I must say, there's nothing there that interests me at all. I feel like I'm growing further apart from the team that initially caught my interest everyday. Also, I wish they'd stop showing previews months in advance when they have a giant "status changing" event going on. It just doesn't make sense to me. I can do with less Pixie as well.
eww.
Vampires? The Curse of the Mutants?
You've got to be kidding me. That's the best Marvel's got? Jump on the latest round of vampire fads?
Eccch. Less than zero interest.
Could someone please fill me on why Thor and Tony aren't at odds? After their confrontation in Thor #3 and subsequent meeting during Secret Invasion (where Thor informs Tony that their reuniting to face a common enemy changes nothing), I completely missed where they resolved anything. I was wondering how Tony ended up in Oklahoma at the start of Siege. I assumed that Donald Blake may have had a hand in Thor and Tony smoothing things over. I haven't picked up an Iron Man comic in ages, so I'm sure I missed something.
Also, if Thor had an issue with Tony and his part in constructing Ragnarok, shouldn't he also have an issue with Reed Richards and Hank Pym?
Quote from: hoss20 on June 08, 2010, 04:54:56 PM
Also, if Thor had an issue with Tony and his part in constructing Ragnarok, shouldn't he also have an issue with Reed Richards and Hank Pym?
Hank Pym did no such thing. The skrull who was impersonating him however...
The reasons why Tony ended up in Oklahoma were explained adequately in Fraction's Ironman issues. I reviewed a few of them. That wasn't a problem (more of a error was Ghost, as I pointed out during Siege 2 or 3, being in Oklahoma when he was sent to the other side of the world). Donald Blake doesn't have an issue with Tony, Thor does. Tony and Thor haven't completely made up yet, but they were on the path to friendship again while Siege was going on and just after. Nothing smooth, but this is Bendis we're talking about. He often ignores other people's continuity (which is why a lot of old school fans still hate him), and he's now ignoring his own, so don't bother trying to figure it out.
*Thor, Donald, Bucky, Dr. Strange, Rhodey, and Steve actually came to Tony's aid during Invincible Ironman to make sure he lived when Tony was on the run from Osborn and wiping his own memory.*
Thor and Reed haven't actually been in the same area of each other since Janet's funeral until now in X-men. It was a common complaint that Reed got off scott-free for his actions while Hank, Tony, and even Spider-woman had a more difficult time. It's something that was just wiped under the table. Stuff like this happens in an event oriented industry. Just look at Dark Reign. Individual parts are fun/good... but nothing big was accomplished at all. None of the villains are any better off and none of them took advantage of the surroundings at the time. Norman wasn't even actively chasing heroes (or even Ironman for that matter) and often found himself punked more so than on the winning side. Heck, despite Moonstone, Venom, and Bullseye being all over the place, none of them really got developed and they were subverted in the actual Dark Avengers book. And I don't even have words for Daken and how wildly he's portrayed. He went from interesting to one note again. Maybe his Punisher crossover will make the writers remember that he's lacking in development. And they never did explain his pheromone powers.
*Side note: I wish War Machine was still an ongoing book. I just got around to reading more issues of it. I was wondering when Rhodey stopped being Cyborg... I mean Cyborg like).
QuoteDonald Blake doesn't have an issue with Tony, Thor does.
That's why I thought Don may have tried to reason with Thor about making up with Tony. Thanks, Prev, for the update. I agree with you on the comment you made regarding the current comics' price tag. I already collect only a scant few titles because of the cost. It doesn't help that I can actually recall collecting comics for 35 cents (wow, I'm old) and the outrage when the cost eventually hit $1.
Thanks for the correction, Pod. I forgot all about Henry being a skrull at the time. :doh:
Just goes to show what a lasting effect the current regime has when I can't even remember what happened a year or so ago.
Quote from: hoss20 on June 08, 2010, 06:41:29 PM
QuoteDonald Blake doesn't have an issue with Tony, Thor does.
That's why I thought Don may have tried to reason with Thor about making up with Tony. Thanks, Prev, for the update. I agree with you on the comment you made regarding the current comics' price tag. I already collect only a scant few titles because of the cost. It doesn't help that I can actually recall collecting comics for 35 cents (wow, I'm old) and the outrage when the cost eventually hit $1.
Thanks for the correction, Pod. I forgot all about Henry being a skrull at the time. :doh:
Just goes to show what a lasting effect the current regime has when I can't even remember what happened a year or so ago.
I vaguely remember them changing from 10c to 12c...
Quote from: hoss20 on June 08, 2010, 06:41:29 PM
QuoteDonald Blake doesn't have an issue with Tony, Thor does.
That's why I thought Don may have tried to reason with Thor about making up with Tony. Thanks, Prev, for the update. I agree with you on the comment you made regarding the current comics' price tag. I already collect only a scant few titles because of the cost. It doesn't help that I can actually recall collecting comics for 35 cents (wow, I'm old) and the outrage when the cost eventually hit $1.
Thanks for the correction, Pod. I forgot all about Henry being a skrull at the time. :doh:
Just goes to show what a lasting effect the current regime has when I can't even remember what happened a year or so ago.
Dont get me started... In the early 90's I used to buy Spider-man in Mexico and each "magazine" (I might as well call it that) had two issues inside, comic and pop culture news, puzzles and pin ups. I think I used to pay 2 pesos (2000 back then but that is a different story) aka 20c.
Well, it's nice to see I'm not the only old-timer here on the boards. :lol:
Had some 15 centers I believe.
When I started reading em in my early teens, comics were $3.99 and I ordered them from my home computer! The art was all done in some fancy digital programs, and there were these huge convoluted overarching storylines! Everything else always took exactly 5 or 6 issues to do so they could sell the funny books in bigger funny books! There were only two or three good writers in the whole business at a time, and one of them was a lady! Batgirl was in a wheel-chair, every villain wasn't bad enough unless they turned into a rapist or a cannibal and often both, Aquaman had a hand made out of WATER, and I read books where criminals with guns were the heroes!
Quote from: BWPS on June 09, 2010, 11:34:18 AM
Aquaman had a hand made out of WATER
How dare you, BWPS. We don't talk about Aquaman here... unless it's about the aquaman that keeps killing innocent fish and summoning dead whales that try to eat him. Obviously, Arthur is now an ironic comedy or something. He could never be cast in Free Willy at this point. Long Live King Namor!
New X-Position (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26613) with Yost & Kyle. Our very own Podmark gets one of his questions answered by them. That is too cool. :cool:
Quote from: murs47 on June 09, 2010, 11:18:34 PM
New X-Position (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26613) with Yost & Kyle. Our very own Podmark gets one of his questions answered by them. That is too cool. :cool:
So, I was right? Elixir high tailed it off that island.
Quote from: murs47 on June 09, 2010, 11:18:34 PM
New X-Position (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26613) with Yost & Kyle. Our very own Podmark gets one of his questions answered by them. That is too cool. :cool:
So Elixir is Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Film re:
Second Coming? Seems lazy.
Quote from: murs47 on June 09, 2010, 11:18:34 PM
New X-Position (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26613) with Yost & Kyle. Our very own Podmark gets one of his questions answered by them. That is too cool. :cool:
Not the first time either :D
See now all this could have been avoided if they'd just said that at the end of X-Force. I'm just going to assume Warpath and Hepzibah high tailed it to Hawaii until told otherwise too.
Hepzibah never played a big part in X-force, so it wasn't their job to touch up on her. That fell into Fraction's hands, so she's probably hovering around that island all aimless like. :P
Actually, when Beast came back for the funeral, I was surprised (and I still am) that Lockheed, Brand, and Hepzibah didn't get off with him.
Oh I just mention Hepzibah because she's Warpath's girlfriend and she hasn't appeared in Second Coming yet. So I'm just guessing James just decided to take her on a vacation after he got sick of killing people.
Anyway from a logical perspective the X-Men shouldn't let Elixir out of their sight. Bastion has tons of resources and could easily pick off Josh if he's just hanging around Necrosha by himself. With his healing abilities and killing abilities he's a high value target. But when you're working with multiple writers and you have limited page counts it's difficult to handle all the logical aspects of every story.
Didn't Uncanny come out today (and yesterday)? Anyone wanna review it or the newest Avenger book... Avenger Academy?
Speaking of Avenger, a fan recently asked Dan about his Mighty Avenger run, and I found it interesting, so I'm gonna post it. Is that OK with you all?
Quote from: FanI have to admit Mighty Avengers wasn't a homerun for me (it's ok, it happens) but I was wondering if you knew when you signed on that it would be limited run (ending with Siege) or if you thought/hoped it might be open-ended?
to which he responded with:
Quote from: Dan SlottOkay, here goes... :)
When I was given the assignment it was open ended.
At the start there were some big bumps-- mainly which characters I could-and-couldn't use, and my own personal reluctance to "graduate" Initiative characters up into Mighty-- which in hindsight, would've made my life a heck-of-a-lot easier. (And YET another time when I can put a check in the column that reads: "Listen to Tom Brevoort, he's usually right."). :)
As I struggled in the beginning, I had a hard go at getting multiple MIGHTY AVENGERS scripts in a month (while getting multiple ASM scripts in at the same time). This lead to scheduling problems, where Khoi would need a script, but I'd just finished a script for a guest-artist. That wasn't Khoi's problem-- that was MY problem. And then the cycle would continue.
In that regard, I wish I could've been faster. You were getting an issue a month-- or, during a rare slip, you'd get two issues the next month. Thanks to Chris Gage coming in to co-script-- when I was working on things like the triple-sized ASM #600 and other projects-- we had licked. So again, thanks to Chris for that help!
Okay... That said...
By the time I was moving into "The Unspoken" arc, I got offered a REALLY great assignment at Marvel. But, with my speed (about 2 issues a month... plus change), that editor wisely said, "You can't do this ON TOP of your current workload, that's just not going to work. You have to give something up."
And that was MIGHTY. At THAT moment, I knew my time on MIGHTY was finite. Originally, BEFORE I was given MIGHTY, back when I was on INITIATIVE, I knew where I wanted to take THAT book into the HEROIC AGE. But to take MIGHTY, I had to leave INITIATIVE. Once I was on MIGHTY, I knew what my plans were for THAT title once IT became part of the HEROIC AGE. But once I knew I was leaving MIGHTY there was a hard choice for both myself AND editorial to make: WHEN?
I waffled back-and-forth on this for some time. There were times that I just wanted to move onto the NEXT assignment and jump off MIGHTY right after THE UNSPOKEN arc... But that felt too soon. That would have been LESS than a year on the title. As a fan-- I HATE it when creators have short runs on titles. If someone invests their time and money following your title, you owe it to them to put in the time and give it your all. (That's my take.)
So if I WAS staying on-- there were a number of stories I either wanted to tell (Ultron) or felt I needed to tell due to the premise of this part of the run (a Thor/Loki story and a Mighty Avengers/Dark Avengers conflict). There were other stories I wanted to tell as well... I wanted to do a Change-the-Roster story, a Squadron Supreme universe-related story, some stuff with the Elders of the Universe, and my infamous (some day I WILL get to it) Reckoning War story. But ANY of those would've (due to time) put me half a YEAR into the Heroic Age. And that wouldn't be fair to the NEXT Avengers team OR the readership-- because I'd be setting up a NEW Heroic Age status quo for Mighty, telling ONE story arc, and then leaving. And with the approach of the NEW project, there was no way (timing-wise) I could've stayed on for 1 or 2 more story arcs.
So...
It was decided. I shouldn't leave right after THE UNSPOKEN, there were stories I needed to tell, and I couldn't stay for the Heroic Age. And all of that came into focus during the early issues of THE UNSPOKEN arc.
And there's your behind-the-scenes, long-winded answer. :)]
Things like this is one of the reasons I have a lot of respect for Slott despite not really loving much of his Mighty run or that Spidey one-pager in
Age of Heroes. He's one of the few active creators who consistently responds to his fans regardless of whether or not they're giving him praise or critiques. More writers/artists should be that way. It's also one of the reasons I often don't read CBR interviews. By comparison, they seem to ignore a lot of the better questions just to let the writers off easy, which is not helping anyone and usually makes the article come across as pointless or "fluff."
Anyway, Dan answered this on his formspring, so if you care enough to ask him a question or keep up with his answers, click (http://www.formspring.me/DanSlott)
I'll review Avengers Academy sometime later but I liked it.
I got Uncanny too, it was a little blah. I still believe Second Coming will read pretty well as a whole story but the individual chapters need work. They just don't have enough to them and/or need a to be more focused as an individual episode in a series.
Thanks for posting that Prev. I never would have seen that and it was something that really interests me. I'd been hearing about this big project Slott got, it's supposed to be announced in July I think. I like Slott, and I enjoyed parts of Mighty but other parts were pretty poor. It's good to hear about the problems he had, and I really wish he had put Initiative characters on the team. Also interesting to know that he had Heroic Age plans for Initiative before he left. Marvel really does plan this stuff out. He made the right choice staying after the Unspoken arc, that would've been a pretty short run and I found the stories after that more enjoyable anyway.
Review time!
Young Allies #1 (3):This is one of the books I was looking forward to in the "Heroic Age." It has Gravity in it, who hasn't done a whole lot since
BEYOND! and Firestar, who spent a lot of time off panel until last year where she got cancer. It also features the return of Toro, a character that was dropped sometime in the 90s when the Marvel verse returned to normal. How will this book hold up? Is it worth investing into? Well, let's check it out.
Spoiler
Opening with a young Benito and his sister reading, the book immediately heads into action with the characters being attacked by military men, who take Benito and several other children and force them to learn procedures such as firing a gun and physical combat. These children have been chosen to carry on the future of their glorious leader, with or without their consent. Years later, Benito and the others are completely trained, loyal to the cause, and have no qualms over killing (this includes prostitutes). The first portion of the issue ends with Benito going through a painful experiment in order to become Toro, a being similar to a demon.
Present day: The remainder of the soon to be created team is living their lives as normal. Rikki Barnes/Nomad and Anya Corazon/Arana (in a new costume to boot -- see ASM) are battling a bunch of middle school creeps while discussing their new found dynamic, Greg Willis/Gravity is having a debate with some friends about murderous villains constantly escaping jail (possibly theme of this arc?), and Angelica Jones/Firestar is running around campus trying to reach class. But just like any day in NYC, trouble starts and the heroes head into action where we meet a bunch of new villains: Mortar, Aftershock, Ember, Singularity, and Warhead... the "Basticks" of Evil!*
The book ends with the Young Allies and their newly acquired foes (the sons and daughters of villains) battling it out while Warhead (son of Radioactive Man) does something drastic....
*I censored their true team name. You can figure it out.
I'm a little mixed on how I feel about this series. As of issue #1, they're just like the Avengers (which makes them compete directly with the YA), The Champions, or even the Defenders... heroes that just happen to be at the same place at the same time when evil breaks out. There's nothing there that makes them inherently unique, different, or needed. The only thing going for it IS the characters. If you missed any of these heroes, then you'll be glad to see them back in action in the hands of a writer that "gets" them. You'll also get to see some more villain children, who refuse to live by established dynamics and want to make their own statement -- they don't actually have a reason to be attacking... they just do, which is an interesting concept to explore if done correctly. Because this book takes place AFTER
Spider-man Grim Hunt, which isn't out yet, there is a pretty big outcome spoiler in regards to Arana and what happens to her during the storyline, so if you don't want to be obtain vague information about the outcome of her, then I'd suggest holding off on this book. On the other hand, this book has some tolerable art and it's quite the average read. Nothing extraordinary, but it's not horrible either.
Tis a 3. My only real problem with this book was the decision not to identify the villain kids. A caption box would have been appreciated rather than relying on dialogue that sometimes came after the villain in question was off the page.
I got that one too, I liked it.
I think they might have purposely held off the caption for the villains in this issue because they're new characters. This way it creates some mystery as to who they are, what their powers are, and who their parents are for a while.
Interesting note, the villain Aftershock has the same name and powers as a character McKeever created in his one issue of Spider-Girl. If she is Electro's daughter then he basically imported a character he made like 5 or more years ago in another book.
I agree, Slott should have took some of his Initiative characters with him. I remember dropping that title after the 3rd issue and it was something I was looking forward too when it was announced he was taking over.
Anyone read Shield #2? That book is incredibly interesting. I really like it so far. I wish some of the scenes from issue one would have been expanded on. Like Galileo pointing a huge machine at Galactus, etc.
Marvel just finished a big conference call to promote Avengers: Children's Crusade (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-avengers-childrens-crusade-100610.html), which comes out next month. So looking forward to that book.
Piggy back!
Young Avenger preview images: http://ifanboy.com/content/articles/FIRST_LOOK__Avengers__Children_s_Crusade_from_Allan_Heinberg_and_Jim_Cheung
So I said I'd do a review of Avengers Academy so here we go.
Spoiler
The first issue is told from the prespective of Veil, whose power is to transform into gases. After her power manifested Norman Osborn took her in promising her she was special. He tortured her to force her to develop her powers more. The result of that torture is that her body is slowly coming apart, but Dr. Pym says it may take years and promises to cure her before then.
The other students are Reptil who can change parts of his body into dinosaurs parts, Hazmat who is trapped in a protective suit because her power to project toxic energy makes her toxic to others, Striker who generates electricity, Finesse who masters skills easily but has no social skills, and Mettle who is trapped in a metal form and can't feel the outside world. The teachers are Wasp, Justice, Tigra, Quicksilver and Robbie Baldwin who is now going by Speedball again. Other Avengers will guest teach as needed. The school is held in the Infinite Avengers mansion from Mighty Avengers.
The students meet and then have a sparring session with Justice and Speedball. Robbie is playing rough so Hazmat cuts loose and Robbie flips out on her because she could kill innocent people recklessly using her powers like that. Vance tells Robbie to take a break and him and the other teachers discuss a secret they are keeping from the students. Finesse lip reads part of the conversation which gets the kids to hack Pym's files later and learn that the reason they are being taught is because they were all badly tortured by Osborn, have dangerous powers, and have concerning psyche profiles. They're being taught because the Avengers fear they could become dangers villains in the future.
I liked the issue. It's all character work introducing the new characters so nothing too exciting. The kids might be a bit bland right now but I'm a big fan of most of the teachers so I think I'll enjoy this book. Art is good but I have some issues with Mckone's work. I predicted the ending twist but it's a good premise to build the book around.
Anyone read this weeks Cap? I must know about Zemo!
I thought someone would have responded to you by now, Pod. I guess I will.
Captain America #606 (3):
Spoiler
Consider this a quick sumview. Immediately, we're greeted to Baron Zemon at an old Thunderbolts facility which happens to be occupied with a thieving Ghost. The two interact politely for a bit while Ghost reveals to Zemo who the new Captain America is. Elsewhere, Falcon is worried about Bucky because he's been making reckless decisions ever since his fight with 50s Cap. During a battle with the Wrecking Crew (guess they escaped capturement?), Capt. fought as if he wanted to be hurt. Because of his actions, the Crew escaped with an armored vehicle. Falcon worries that if things get much worse, innocents could be hurt or killed, and Steve agrees to have a chat with Bucky to set things right.
The rest of the book jumps between focusing on Baron Zemo gathering his forces and getting information on Bucky, and Steve, Falcon, and Bucky chatting about what happened with 50s Cap. The story ends with Baron making his first move against Bucky that ends with Falcon being severely injured, and the return of Sin, whose face has yet to heal.
On the art side, I wasn't really impressed by Butch Guice's work. It's OK, but it feels like a step backward from the art from the previous arcs. Some scenes look as if they were rendered very stiffly and others just look a bit messy. I wasn't really feelin' the coloring job by Dean White either. It seemed to hop between being too dark to being too bright the majority of the time. It never felt "right" to me. Just adequate. There was a particular scene where Bucky had a nightmare that involved a skull and a chess board, and it did nothing for me. It reminded me of the old Johnny Quest cartoons... but without the excuse of "time" going for it. Storywise, I think it's OK. It's not a strong showing, but I think it's a step in the right direction after the 50s stuff. I don't think Brubaker has fully recovered from the
Captain America: Reborn fudge up, but I doubt this or the next few issues will incite Tea Bagger rage.
I give it a generous 3.In other news, Stan Lee will be on Craig Ferguson tonight. Why? Dunno... but why question it?
Quote from: Previsionary on June 15, 2010, 10:26:52 PM
In other news, Stan Lee will be on Craig Ferguson tonight. Why? Dunno... but why question it?
Now, y'see... if you were on The Twitter, you'd know why he's gonna be on. For the past few months, Stan and Craig have been amassing their Twitter followers, and staging a fake "war" between Smilin' Stan's Brigadiers and Ferguson's Robot Army, and tonight is the culmination of their "war." Awesome, right?
Dear Hitman,
I have enough life of my own to deal with than getting on a social site where other people tell me about their lives. :P I'm sure if I ever get the need to catch up on mundane elements of other people's days, I can just look outside my window and imagine. It'd probably be more fun for the writer within me.
Yeah, well... can your "imagination" tell you what your next door neighbor had for breakfast, and whether or not it was "hella delicious?"
... Don't answer that. :thumbup:
Quote from: The Hitman on June 16, 2010, 02:08:23 AM
Yeah, well... can your "imagination" tell you what your next door neighbor had for breakfast, and whether or not it was "hella delicious?"
... Don't answer that. :thumbup:
lol
Quote from: The Hitman on June 16, 2010, 02:08:23 AM
Yeah, well... can your "imagination" tell you what your next door neighbor had for breakfast, and whether or not it was "hella delicious?"
Yo, don't direct me. I'll tell you what I want to pluckin' tell you! My next door neighbors ate a nice slice of pink flesh dipped in mango sauce. There was a delightful side dish of Mexican Murs and some Hitman dip which they just sipped up. Their teeth dripped with a indescribable red liquid, and they licked their forked tongues across the tables as if it were made of sugar. And when they finished, Hitman... when they finished, they licked from the toilets making sure to collect every tasty morsel they could find while quenching their insatiable guts. Twitter that, pimpin'. Twitter that all over your page. And if you must know, they found the meal absolutely pulchritudinous and lovely. I'm sure they took pics; you can find it on their page. Follow 'em.
Not much I want to say about my comics yesterday except that I love Spider-Man artist Max Fiumara, who did the two Rhino stories and is doing a Kraven/Kaine backup story during the Grim Hunt arc. I wish he was doing the main art instead of Michael Lark.
Three noteworthy developments from part 1 of Grim Hunt:
Spoiler
Ezekeil from JMS run has returned.
Mattie Franklin/Spider-Woman was killed.
Vladimir Kravinoff/Grim Hunter was resurrected as some kind of lion/human creature.
Looks to be a good arc. I've really liked Kelly's Spider-Man stuff.
And in other Spider-Man news Rich Johnson has reported a rumour that Dan Slott will be announced as the sole Spider-Man writer during July's San Diego ComicCon and that the book will drop to two issues a month sometime later this year (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/06/17/a-twice-monthly-spider-man-slott/). Slott has teased that he was handed a dream assignment that caused him to leave Mighty Avengers and it could be Amazing Spider-Man. I like Slott's work so I'm OK with this change if it's true but I'm definitely going to be disappointed to see Kelly leave, and the multi-headed writer monster did have it's good points. Plus I'm going to miss reading 3 issues of Spidey a month that was great.
Spoiler
How did they kill Mattie Franklin? She hasn't even been used in years! I say don't use a character if the only use is fish food.
Slott knows his Marvel characters, so if he is the only writer I'll be buying the book. His Spider-Man/Human Torch series from a few years ago was a nice ride.
Too bad Young Allies spoiled that something happened to Mattie, therefore affecting the effect said spoiler had on me. Gotta love Marvel scheduling.
Quote from: Previsionary on June 18, 2010, 01:52:22 PM
Gotta love Marvel scheduling.
It's referred to as temporal multisequential flux with mutable time dilation.
That's what happens when you cross the streams.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on June 18, 2010, 12:27:40 PM
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How did they kill Mattie Franklin? She hasn't even been used in years! I say don't use a character if the only use is fish food.
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Mattie had been appearing occasionally in Spider-Man for the past few months as she was captured by the Kraven family. She was killed in a ritual sacrifice to resurrect Vladimir Kravinoff.
Quote from: Previsionary on June 18, 2010, 01:52:22 PM
Too bad Young Allies spoiled that something happened to Mattie, therefore affecting the effect said spoiler had on me. Gotta love Marvel scheduling.
How did Young Allies spoil Mattie's death? Arana's new costume has me thinking it may spoil Julia Carpenter/Arachne's death because the costumes look similar. I didn't notice anything related to Mattie though.
Occasionally? You're overstating it, Pod. Rarely. The first time she appeared in years was just her being captured. I had a feeling then that something drastic was gonna happen to her. I'm pretty sure I posted about it, right? Maybe it was just a discussion between SS and me. *shrugs*
As for Young allies, it didn't so much hint at something happening to Mattie, but the spoiler about Arana + how Mattie was treated in her appearances in ASM + the event status more than sealed the deal about her for me.
Quote from: Previsionary on June 18, 2010, 07:26:58 PM
Occasionally? You're overstating it, Pod. Rarely. The first time she appeared in years was just her being captured. I had a feeling then that something drastic was gonna happen to her. I'm pretty sure I posted about it, right? Maybe it was just a discussion between SS and me. *shrugs*
As for Young allies, it didn't so much hint at something happening to Mattie, but the spoiler about Arana + how Mattie was treated in her appearances in ASM + the event status more than sealed the deal about her for me.
Yeah it was really just 3-5 side appearances starting at the beginning of the Gauntlet. And you don't need Young Allies to predict something bad happening to her. ASM 600's backup story by itself was enough for me to expect some bad stuff coming up, then every issue she's appeared hinted that the Kraven's wanted her for some dark purpose.
If Bachalo hadn't been running late on his arc Grim Hunt part 1 would have shipped the same week as Young Allies. But I still don't feel Young Allies spoiled anything regarding Mattie. It didn't mention the character at all, I don't believe it implied any deaths in Grim Hunt, and it didn't even really mention Grim Hunt in the story if my memory is holding up. Now if Julia Carpenter dies or retires thats a different story.
EDIT:
Was looking through my Spidey issues and Mattie did make much less appearances than I thought. Checking through issues that I recalled used the Kravens she only appeared in 3. The Deadpool issue where she was captured, the first Lizard issue where she was just shown in the background, and the free recap story where she appeared in about 2 or 3 pages of the short story. Disappointing, I thought she appeared more.
Urg, since Murs, AA, and I will be doing a chat about the book later [if Murs ever logs on!], I won't review, summarize, or sumview it. I will just give my basic thoughts.
New Avengers V2 #1:
I thought this book was OK. I wasn't really excited by anything in it, but I was impressed that Bendis actually moved the villain plot along much more quickly than I anticipated he would. I don't, however, see the point of adding Thing to the team, and I was really, really mixed on the scene between Luke Cage and Victoria Hand. I don't think it was wise to have Luke do a sonic clap that knocked a woman that was barely a threat across the room and into a vase. Unnecessary violence never sits well with me. I'm still more fond of Jason Aaron's writing of the team than I am of Bendis's, but at least Ms. Marvel and Ironfist are fixtures of the roster and can actively do things again. I'm really starting to wonder why every Avengers #1 Bendis writes heavily involves magic (or mysticism) though. It's an odd thing I'm starting to notice about him. Oh, although this book is accessible to new readers, it also picks up on plot points scattered throughout the final few arcs of New Avengers V1.
It's not even worth reviewing. :thumbdown:
I thought the sonic clap was justified by the woman in question pointing an extremely large gun at a Jessica Jones holding her baby. Sure, Jessica could probably take the hit, but the baby is presumably powerless at the moment, that and it's just a bad idea among a group of people already inclined to see you as the enemy.
Really, they should have just kicked Victoria Hand to the curb - she's clearly a terrible decision maker (helping Norman Osborn, that worked out so well, and pointing a gun at a team of superheroes + baby. She's someone who should probably have a life coach for day-to-day choices, let alone guiding an Avengers team).
I think Bendis relies on magic for big threats because its easy - in the Marvel U magic basically has no rules, so whatever Bendis wants to happen can happen with less chance of being called out on errors regarding character power levels, histories or continuity than other types of threats.
Considering she explained what she was doing and Luke is bullet-proof and could have just crushed the gun, I don't think he HAD to go with that. Victoria may be brash, but she's never actually harmed another person's life (and they've never seen her do anything that would make them consider her a major threat). On a visceral level for Luke, maybe that would be an appropriate action instead of just grabbing the gun, but in the long run, that sonic clap could have done collateral damage and hurt his child's ears. It was powerful enough to send Victoria sprawling and forced Jessica to cover her child ("Joo!") while her hair danced from the resulting wind.
Anyway, I also picked up Dark Wolverine again. Why did I do that? I figured Marjorie and Way would give this character a new purpose after that ridiculous crossover. Boy, was I wrong. The whole issue is just Daken moping around Rome manipulating people and using his sexuality (which they've never explained nor his pheromones). And now that he's crossing over with Franken-Castle, I am content with letting this character fade into my mental abyss.
Wow was I the only one who liked New Avengers?
Nah, most online reviewers are in love with it. I'm middle line with it, and Murs hates it for whatever reason. :P. When we do the review chat thing, it should bring interesting perspectives, no? Hopefully we can do that today.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on June 18, 2010, 12:27:40 PM
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How did they kill Mattie Franklin? She hasn't even been used in years! I say don't use a character if the only use is fish food.
Why not, AA?
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They just did it to Diamond Lil over in X-Men (it's been a while since we've seen her)...Well...Also, they offed most of Alpha Flight a few years back in New Avengers...Oh, and Darkstar when she showed up as a member of X-Corporation...Sigh...Now I'm sad again.
Dana :(
Speaking of character death, another dan slott comment to talk about:
Quote from: FanGiven your antipathy towards that Doc Samson miniseries you did, whose decision was it to have Geiger (from that miniseries) appear in the Initiative - yours, or Christos Gage's?
to which Dan responded with:
Quote from: Dan SlottBefore SECRET INVASION started, Brian told me he wanted to kill all the Initiative kids in SI (though I could pick a couple survivors). So... I graduated everybody out of the program and brought in a new busload of recruits to be the Secret Invasion "red shirts".
It was all a bait-and-switch on my part to keep the original Initiative kids from becoming cannon fodder. :)
I honestly thought that everybody who was walking off that bus were dead meat. So I figured-- eh-- let 'em kill Geiger. :-P
In the end, only 1 Initiative kid got killed in SI. :) So looking back, if I knew that was gonna happen, I'd've probably kept Cloud 9, Hardball, Komodo, and the gang around at Camp Hammond longer.
Emphasis mine. I'm really starting to pick up trends I'm not fond of. Someone is kill happy, and now I have to be even more wary of events involving characters I like. I don't find this comforting. It's actually aiding me in figuring out which books to drop with the current pricing situation. As if 22 pages of story for 4 dollars wasn't enough to sway my decision.
I knew part of that story, but I didn't realize that was why Slott graduated Cloud9 and the others. It's interesting, sometimes disappointing how outside influences can affect books you like.
It also continues to reinforce my belief that Bendis holds a lot of power at Marvel. And it's been that way for a long time.
Yes, Bendis has a lot of power. He writes all the core avenger books and the majority of the big MU events. I still don't understand how that happened. I remember all the outrage he garnered from his first Avenger story. You just wouldn't think a writer that caused so much chaos would be controlling the universe. Just for comparison sake, what happened to Chuck Austen when his X-stories caused an outrage? Fans turned against him, and he eventually was forced out of comics. It's interesting that the same didn't happen to Bendis (or he wasn't banished back into the ultimate verse).
Having read the book again in order to prepare questions for the still yet-to-be-done group chat, I realized that Spidey, Wolverine, and Hawkeye agreed with Luke's position. I found that to be weird since all three are ON Cap's team as well. Also, at one point, I thought Bendis was having a conversation with himself. That scene where Steve was telling Luke to pick a team but these "A-listers/forced Prime Avengers" are off limits just read to me like Bendis was reminding himself that no big member can appear on this "New" team... and yet the New team looks like the old one. I wish he would have jumped out of his safety zone and actually built a "new" team led by Luke. There's over 100 Avengers out there; please use them.
Now that that's out of the way, Murs wanted me to post the following:
Apparently, Dan has found some time to talk about some of his battles with fans on message boards. A question was posed to him.
Quote from: fanYour tweets about some fans makes me wonder how you were when you were a reader. I often think when the distinction between creator and fan comes into play, do the now active employees forget what they were like and how harshly they used to judge.
to which he responded with the following, long comment:
Quote from: Dan SlottHere's the thing: There is no divide. All pros ARE fans. No "pro" falls into this industry. They're all fans-made-good.
Despite how fans are portrayed on shows like THE SIMPSONS, not all fans are "harsh" judges. (Though some on the internet would sure like you to think otherwise.) :)
As a reader I was-- and still am-- ENTHUSIASTIC about comics. As a fan, the things that got me the most excited about comics weren't the things that got me worked up, they were the things I ENJOYED! The stuff I'd be talking about with w/ other friends/fans was more about what we were INTO instead of what we weren't. It was way more-- "Are you checking out Walt Simonson's THOR?" Or "I don't care if you're not into Superman, you've got to check out these Alan Moore issues! They're called 'Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow'!" Or "I know he's an obscure DC guy, but this ANIMAL MAN book that just came out is SOOO good!"
Sure, we slammed on stuff ("This new NEW MUTANTS character, Bird Brain, looks so stupid!", "Post-Crisis continuity? Why did they do that?!", "Jean Grey didn't die? She was in a tube?! WHAT?!") it was never a crusade-- never months and months, (or in some cases today, years and years)-- of the SAME whinging and complaining. It wasn't about trashing something-- it was about looking for the next big thing: "This Grey Hulk stuff is interesting, I think I might start following this regularly..."
I remember when I was in college, the friends I had who were fans-- We'd make a comic shop run (back then I think new books were out on Fridays) and read 'em at PETE'S BLUE CHIP (over burgers-- Pete's Blue Chip Special w/ a burger, chips, and soda under $2 was hard to pass up on a college budget) and talk about 'em. (This was *gasp* before the internet). And, yeah, there'd be books we'd bag on. I remember with THIS group, NO ONE liked the status quo change when the X-MEN went through the Siege Perilous and moved to Australia. That made all of us drop that book for awhile. But here's the thing-- that NEVER turned into a monthly whine-session* about X-MEN-- or some self-righteous crusade to get Chris Claremont tossed off of the book-- or to threaten a boycott if the wind wasn't blowing in any one direction we liked. We moved onto stuff we LIKED and we talked about THAT. (Byrne on SUPERMAN, or BATMAN: YEAR ONE, or this McFarlane guy they were trying out on AMAZING SPIDER-MAN.) :)
I think the internet's wired for for short bursts of cynicism, sarcasm, and knee-jerk reactions. How many threads do you see praising ANY book in the industry VERSUS the number of threads bashing it?
* = I mildly edited that word to fit in with our forum rules.
Honestly, I think he has a few points. This thread and forum alone can attest for his conclusion; however, I think he's underplaying the divide between creator and readers. Once you become a creator, you're now in a position to be judged, and you then begin to play the marketing game. Your comments are typically censored (though not so much these days from the Marvel side with all the fights some creators are getting in), and you never really say your true thoughts towards some of the work your company puts out... at least not publicly. Also, he's comparing a small sample size of intimate friends to a large sample size of anonymous users who mostly don't know each other. Plus, the threads stay around significantly longer and it's harder to get annoyed by someone constantly bashing unless they reach an obnoxious degree. It's a shaky road. What say you, my FR members?
The thing about Bendis is that his books have sold well regards of how readers have reacted and they continue to sell. Avengers Disassembled, I believe, was among the top selling books when it came out. Now part of that goes to the hype machine, but Bendis must be good at inspiring his editors because his books are always highly promoted. It helped that early in his career he was well received as a writer.
I think Slott has a point. Generally I try to focus more on stuff I like than stuff I don't. Honestly I'd rather praise Max Fiumara than complain about Greg Land. Helps that I don't tend to read stuff I don't like.
I try to have that attitude as well - read comics I like, and if I don't like them, I move on. Sometimes I linger a little too long on a comic going south in the hopes it will recover, but there are always good comics out there, they just might not star the biggest name characters at the moment.
i hate how he's jacked up luke cage's power level.when could he ever do a sonic clap? luke was a 3 ton level,thing was 85,colossus was 70 plus,and she-hulk was 70 ton level. now everyone can lift roughly 100 tons.i'm a marvel fan all the way but i'm really discussed with them. :thumbdown:
He shouldn't be able to (although he's been growing more powerful over the years), but he can in this book; and I just stopped questioning certain aspects because it's not worth it. Por ejemplo, I didn't make a single comment, until now, about that typo on page 1 and that little reoccurring error involving Clint and his costume (hi, Hawkeye and Ronin on the same page on opposite sides of each other :P). You just have to brush it off until Marvel finds editors that actually edit everyone equally.
As an aside, I picked up Dark Wing Duck. I hope to review that soon. Did anyone else do so?
Quote from: Previsionary on June 22, 2010, 12:22:29 AM
Por ejemplo, I didn't make a single comment, until now, about that typo on page 1 and that little reoccurring error involving Clint and his costume (hi, Hawkeye and Ronin on the same page on opposite sides of each other :P).
I don't think it's a "typo"...this clearly happens before he takes his name and costume back and before Avengers number one. Hence Kate's still the person Clint allowed to be called Hawkeye and he's still in the Ronin gear. My only problem is that you don't get a real sense of time specifically passing...so you have no idea how long after Siege this "party" happens...when this stuff with strange goes down...when they move in. Yes you're supposed to suspend your natural senses and assume the passage of time. But IMO for this story to have been better paced..a few "time-markers" would have been nice and also appropriate. ;) Speakin of Ronin...where in the hell is Echo? She just went "poof" after Secret Invasion...what gives? :huh: Yes...I like the character...before anyone jumps all over how much they think she sucks...I've just been curious for a while and I don't read every title out there...so any appearences of her?
I'm not sure if she ever did, but she was supposed to show up in Spider-Woman.
Is this party the same one from the end of Siege? Well that would be before Avengers #1.
BTW I'm annoyed with Marvel naming conventions. Why have a book that's just called Avengers? It's confusing. I still don't get why they're bringing back X-Men.
I said there's a typo on the FIRST page. Daimon is talking about something entering the "world." He said "word." Also, the ronin/hawkeye error was pretty blatant. It happened on the same page; there was no time lapse. Yes, it was the same party from Siege. Pod, Avengers #1 also starts out from the same party. That scene where Luke is randomly swearing with Patriot, Ironfist, and Jessica by his side is fleshed out in New Avengers.
Also, I already detailed the other trouble with Clint and his ronin/hawkeye gear appearing in different books. Ronin gear in Siege, Hawkeye gear MOMENTS after Siege in Avengers: Prime, Ronin gear in Avengers, and Ronin and Hawkeye gear in New Avengers on the same page. I'll upload a pic in a bit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_whoami.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=whoami.jpg)
As you see, Hawkeye costume colored yellow in the first panel, 2 panels later, Ronin costume. Or maybe Bullseye broke out of jail and decided to change his color and eat with the team.
As for the timeline, it's roughly like so: Siege 4 > Avengers Prime > Party scene > Avengers [through party/recruitment] > New Avengers [end party]
Whoa that's pretty silly. Whats worse is that, in the page you posted positionally there is both a Hawkeye and a Ronin. Hawkeye is behind Cap, and while he's not seen in the third panel logically he would still be there. So there are (logically) two Clints.
Now what would be kinda cool is if Bendis later revealed somekind of time paradox and there really was a Ronin and a Hawkeye. Otherwise that's really lazy editing, and really sad from the artist.
My apologies Prev...I stand corrected. I completely "glazed" over that....damn it's glaring! :blink: :doh:Quote from: Previsionary on June 22, 2010, 12:22:29 AM
You just have to brush it off until Marvel finds editors that actually edit everyone equally.
Now I completely agree. Speaking of costume errors...at least Allan Heinberg has addressed that there will be costume/uniform/armor errors in Children's Crusade. But you figure that somewhere at one of these creative summits that they had the marvel folks would have let Allan and Jimmy know about the changes. Hey...I certainly don't mind having Cap back in his uniform and Tony in the Extremis Armor but it'll certainly change the experience of the book.
Quote from: Blkcasanova247 on June 22, 2010, 12:37:13 PM
My apologies Prev...I stand corrected. I completely "glazed" over that....damn it's glaring! :blink: :doh:
Quote from: Previsionary on June 22, 2010, 12:22:29 AM
You just have to brush it off until Marvel finds editors that actually edit everyone equally.
Now I completely agree. Speaking of costume errors...at least Allan Heinberg has addressed that there will be costume/uniform/armor errors in Children's Crusade. But you figure that somewhere at one of these creative summits that they had the marvel folks would have let Allan and Jimmy know about the changes. Hey...I certainly don't mind having Cap back in his uniform and Tony in the Extremis Armor but it'll certainly change the experience of the book.
My understanding is that Cheung started drawing this series sometime in the last two years. So pages were finished, possibly even coloured way before the costumes changed.
Ok, any reviews on any books? Any Second Coming news (which I dropped for being so padded out) or Avengers news (which I'm reading now while cringing at some of the art and dialogue respectively)?
[And yes... the chat about New Avengers #1 will be coming soon. I've yet to figure out why I can't get AA and Murs on at the same time. I think they're the same person. :P]
I finished the book, and I have a few thoughts. I typically try to give an ongoing series 3 issues to an arc to gauge how I feel about it, and I don't know if I can do that with this book.
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1. It shouldn't take 14 pages for a book to get its plot rolling. Even the CLASSIC Avenger books weren't this slow. In truth, the original stories probably packed too much into 22 pages, but I'd rather have that than having everyone sitting around chatting the whole time before the main plot comes back into focus. Ellis also suffers from this problem in Astonishing X-men, but at least his dialogue is amusing and mostly fits the characters. Bendis doesn't have that benefit as his Thor, Bucky, and Tony are all grossly misrepresented. He needs to stop trying to make everyone witty and sarcastic. That only really works with Spider-man.
2. The art this issue made me cringe... a lot. JR jr. doesn't really fit this book. I didn't like his work in that Spidey arc either, but here... I dislike it more. All those double page spreads Bendis scripted into the book are not working towards JR's favor. That pizza scene where Wolvie had Jessica's hair wrapped around his claw was just odd. Also odd... Thor munching down on pizza. I guess Donald is influencing him.
3. I wish the obligatory fight scene didn't involve Simon just shouting like a mad man while beating on people before disappearing 3 pages later. It was like a reversal of the Kang situation to a degree.
4. I hate that this book is full of 2 page spreads. Full of them. Like I said, it doesn't work in JR's favor, and the reader soon forgets the importance of them when they're piled on. The final splash with "Apocalypse & his horsemen" didn't impress me at all.
5. I'm trying to understand why Bendis is adding so many villain elements into this story. The Avengers spent 14 pages building a machine to check out what Kang was talking about (and got a new recruit as well) before Wonderman burst in and went crazy, only to have it end with Apocalpyse and his Avenger horsemen showing up as the time stream was disrupted. Let's not forgot about future Hulk who they have yet to meet. All of this in 32 pages.... but WHY? I think he needs to focus his plot a little more for next issue.
6. I really wish the Exiles were still around. All the time talk made me miss them. So much. they could've fixed this broken time stream thing in like 3 issues! Maybe 2.
Overall though...
I'm rating it a 2. If the actual plot was brought into focus and the dialog wasn't so bad and repetitive, I'd rank it higher. However, JR jr's art made me cringe more than anything Bendis did, so this mostly falls on him, I guess.
In other news, because Marvel doesn't know how NOT to spoil people and don't know how to keep up suspense, we now know that Hercules and the remaining Hulks will be teaming up with the majority of the MU to fight off some evil gods. That's right, Hercules will be leading his own God squad! People, do you not understand? Hercules will be leading characters like Thor and GALACTUS! I'm psyched.
Quote from: Previsionary on June 20, 2010, 03:46:26 PM
Speaking of character death, another dan slott comment to talk about:
Quote from: FanGiven your antipathy towards that Doc Samson miniseries you did, whose decision was it to have Geiger (from that miniseries) appear in the Initiative - yours, or Christos Gage's?
to which Dan responded with:
Quote from: Dan SlottBefore SECRET INVASION started, Brian told me he wanted to kill all the Initiative kids in SI (though I could pick a couple survivors). So... I graduated everybody out of the program and brought in a new busload of recruits to be the Secret Invasion "red shirts".
It was all a bait-and-switch on my part to keep the original Initiative kids from becoming cannon fodder. :)
I honestly thought that everybody who was walking off that bus were dead meat. So I figured-- eh-- let 'em kill Geiger. :-P
In the end, only 1 Initiative kid got killed in SI. :) So looking back, if I knew that was gonna happen, I'd've probably kept Cloud 9, Hardball, Komodo, and the gang around at Camp Hammond longer.
Emphasis mine. I'm really starting to pick up trends I'm not fond of. Someone is kill happy, and now I have to be even more wary of events involving characters I like. I don't find this comforting. It's actually aiding me in figuring out which books to drop with the current pricing situation. As if 22 pages of story for 4 dollars wasn't enough to sway my decision.
Hmmm...That confirms it for me, IMHO BMB is a kill-happy hack.
Dana :thumbdown:
Quote from: Previsionary on June 22, 2010, 06:25:13 AM
I said there's a typo on the FIRST page. Daimon is talking about something entering the "world." He said "word." Also, the ronin/hawkeye error was pretty blatant. It happened on the same page; there was no time lapse. Yes, it was the same party from Siege. Pod, Avengers #1 also starts out from the same party. That scene where Luke is randomly swearing with Patriot, Ironfist, and Jessica by his side is fleshed out in New Avengers.
Also, I already detailed the other trouble with Clint and his ronin/hawkeye gear appearing in different books. Ronin gear in Siege, Hawkeye gear MOMENTS after Siege in Avengers: Prime, Ronin gear in Avengers, and Ronin and Hawkeye gear in New Avengers on the same page. I'll upload a pic in a bit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_whoami.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/?action=view¤t=whoami.jpg)
As you see, Hawkeye costume colored yellow in the first panel, 2 panels later, Ronin costume. Or maybe Bullseye broke out of jail and decided to change his color and eat with the team.
As for the timeline, it's roughly like so: Siege 4 > Avengers Prime > Party scene > Avengers [through party/recruitment] > New Avengers [end party]
Y'know, I think that whoever colored that page thought he was coloring Wolverine...
Especially interesting is the fact that the quiver is NOT colored at all. It's just lines over the background....
Quote from: Previsionary on June 24, 2010, 09:42:49 PM
[And yes... the chat about New Avengers #1 will be coming soon. I've yet to figure out why I can't get AA and Murs on at the same time. I think they're the same person. :P]
Hey now...Murs is MY clone. :angry: Don't get it twisted. :P
Really? How does that work? Have you seen Murs's other clones? Why would you willingly associate with that? Oh, Casanova... what a can of worms you've opened.
Curse of the X-men: Blade news: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/blade-xmen-curse-mutants-100625.html
Looks like it won't be featuring any X-men in this one shot. I'd rather them give Blade a book back rather than giving him a Dracula vs. one shot that leads into an X-story. I'm also mixed on Duane providing yet another story for a character I like (Black Widow first, now Blade) because I can't think of one story by him that I actually like outside of that one Cable issue.
And yet another interesting development. We all remember Mutant Zero, correct? I remember this thread was buzzing with mystery before Typhoid Mary was revealed. How did that come about? Dan allows us into his thinking process.
Quote from: fanWould you ever consider writing an X-book?
Quote from: Dan SlottYears ago, back when I was working on SHE-HULK Vol.1 an X-Editor (who's not at Marvel now) asked me to join the group of people who were pitching for the NIGHTCRAWLER book (which eventually went to the very talented Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa).
After reading and liking my pitch, I was asked to pitch my idea for an X-Book... And I turned in a proposal for an X-Universe version of THE AVENGERS (not the Marvel Avengers, a modern-day updating of the old British TV from the 60's).
It would've been a 2 person team taking on strange & bizarre cases in the X-Universe, starring Banshee and... Emma, but she was busy... then Domino, but she was busy... so I made up my own character for the girl. And there would've been a mysterious 3rd member who sometimes swooped in to save our heroes, an established X-character who's identity would be kept a secret... but until then, they'd be nicknamed the "Deus X-Man." (Groan all you want.)
Eventually I cannibalized all the bits and pieces of that for other projects: The 2 person team became BLACKJACK (over in AMAZING FANTASY Vol.2 #15, and later MIGHTY AVENGERS). And the Deus X-Man became MUTANT ZERO over in AVENGERS THE INITIATIVE.
He then expounded upon that when another fan asked:
Quote from: fan"Deus X-Man." was going to be an established X-character, but the idea of that role turned into Mutant Zero, who turned out to be Typhoid Mary. Can you tell us who the established X-character behind the Deus X-Man mask would have been?
Quote from: Dan SlottSame concept: Mutant w/ Multiple Personality Disorder, with "Deus X-Man" being a new power/personality set. In the pitch it was Legion (David Charles Haller). And that's who I originally wanted for Mutant Zero.
When we couldn't get David, Typhoid Mary fit the bill perfectly. In fact, we realized that due to the red hair, telekinesis, and pyrokinesis, she was even better. Because if we played our cards right, we could throw people a red herring and make them think it was either Jean or Rachel or-- going out on a limb-- Copycat. :)
How interesting would it have been to have Legion in a hero role BEFORE Second Coming? Also, an X-character interacting with the MU would be awesome, but I think he more than accomplished his goal with Typhoid and making people think she was Jean.
Reading Avengers 2 I suddenly wondered what the point of the New Avengers book is now. The main Avengers line-up is half classic and half New anyway, and there are at least two or three characters pulling double-duty on both teams. Is this just shameless successful title padding at this point?
Quote from: Previsionary on June 26, 2010, 12:33:26 AM
Really? How does that work? Have you seen Murs's other clones? Why would you willingly associate with that? Oh, Casanova... what a can of worms you've opened.
That's why the 47th one was the trick. :thumbup: And why..oh why can't the X-Men get away from gosh darn Vampire stories? :angry: I'm really gonna hate this arc. :( But I hope I'm wrong.
I have never been too fond of X-Men in space or X-Men against supernatural (demons, vampires). Whatever... both have good examples (Phoenix saga for example rocked) so we will see.
Quote from: daglob on June 25, 2010, 05:40:07 PM
Y'know, I think that whoever colored that page thought he was coloring Wolverine...
I was thinking it looked a lot like they were colouring Ronin. Notice the blonde "hair" above the flesh-coloured "H". The bizarre colouring on the chest also sorta matches up with the yellow/black aspects of the ronin costume we see in the other panel.
I hope they fix it before printing the comic.....
Quote from: marhawkman on June 28, 2010, 07:54:41 PM
I hope they fix it before printing the comic.....
Hrm? It's already out; It's been out over 2 weeks now.
>_<' Never mind....I was thinking this was a preview.
In the old days, this might be worth a No-Prize...
Quote from: daglob on June 29, 2010, 04:19:21 PM
In the old days, this might be worth a No-Prize...
It's only a No-Prize if you can explain away the discrepancy. :)
Not an official announcement, but Millar has begun working on the sequel (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/06/mark-millar-begins-work-on-old-man-logan-sequel/) to Old Man Logan.
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In the old days, this might be worth a No-Prize...
It's only a No-Prize if you can explain away the discrepancy. :)
Once upon a time, all you needed to do was be the first to point out a blatant error on the part of the Marvel Madmen. I don't remember when they started the "then you have to explain it" business (but you are right, they did). I had a friend get one for pointing out that Gabe in Sgt. Fury etc. was miscolored on one page.
Yeah, the no-prize rules changed from regime to regime (or EIC to EIC). I'm not going to do any reviews this week, but Murs, LP, and I got together and made this: Roundhouse Chat #2: Secret Avengers #2 (http://frp.unlimited2.net/roundhouse-chat-2-secret-avengers-2/)
Please read and leave an opinion or two. :P.
Allan Heinberg + Uncanny X-men = http://www.newsarama.com/comics/allan-heinberg-xmen-100701.html
QuoteWhile the main X-Men story by Matt Fraction and Whilce Portacio will deal with the after-effects of "Second Coming," Heinberg will be focusing on how the fall-out from that event are connected to his Young Avengers ? and particularly Scarlet Witch, whose character returns within the pages of Avengers: The Children's Crusade.
"The most important thing to know about this story is that it was drawn by Olivier Coipel, who is one of the finest artists on the planet," Heinberg said up front. "The story deals with the fallout from 'Second Coming' and principally features Wolverine, Cyclops, Magneto, and Doctor Nemesis.
"[Marvel] Editor Nick Lowe felt that this story could shed some light on the X-Men's relationship to ? and feelings about ? the Young Avengers," Heinberg said. "Particularly in light of Magneto's possibly being Wiccan and Speed's grandfather."
Sooooo... Fred Van Lente will be writing an Avenger book. Question is, will it be an ongoing, a mini, or even in continuity? Come on, Marvel, leak the deets!
I am so excited about the Coipel and Heinberg backup. Two of my all-time favs.
What does everyone think of the newest Generation of Hope promo? Some people are saying it's Sabertooth but I think it might be Landslide or Wildchild.
That Heinberg thing makes me wonder if they'll mention http://marvel.wikia.com/Sylvie_Lushton_(Earth-616) AKA "Enchantress". Sylvie's origin has loads of loose ends that need tied up. Such as why Loki's death affected her the way it did.
Quote from: marhawkman on July 07, 2010, 06:02:49 PM
That Heinberg thing makes me wonder if they'll mention http://marvel.wikia.com/Sylvie_Lushton_(Earth-616) AKA "Enchantress". Sylvie's origin has loads of loose ends that need tied up. Such as why Loki's death affected her the way it did.
I highly doubt they'll mention Sylvie especially since his backup is focusing on Magneto and the X-Men's (aka Wolverine) connection to Young Avengers. In fact, I highly doubt the Young Masters will make anything more than a mention or flashback in the 9 issue mini. It seems like Heinberg already has a lot to clarify with the paternity of Wiccan and Speed, as well as, the mutant decimation and Wanda's return.
Another thing, I wonder how Cyclops and his new position on the mutant race will react to Wanda's return and Magneto's expected defense of his daughter. In a way, Scott should consider her a Hitler/Stalin-like figure to the mutant race and I don't think Magneto is going to allow anything to happen to Wanda regardless of her past sins.
I was talking to SS about this a few days ago. We shouldn't expect anyone to pick up anything on the Young Masters now that Cornell is gone. Despite having a 2 page appearance in Age of Heroes, those characters still don't really have a future unless Sean McKeever picks them up, but he already has a group of villains for the Young Allies. I'm thinking the Young Masters will fade into limbo for a few years unless the Young Avengers finally get an ongoing or the Avenger Academy kids need some villain fodder. I don't think Marvel actually has long term plans for anything Cornell touched, which is unfortunate.
I mean, they were Norman's Young Avengers, and no one picked up on that fallen plot point at all. The fact that their story had to be tied up in an anthology should point out just how much Marvel cares about them. :P
Quote from: Previsionary on July 07, 2010, 06:19:46 PM
...those characters still don't really have a future unless Sean McKeever picks them up, but he already has a group of villains for the Young Allies.
Speaking of McKeever, I assumed Young Allies was a children friendly book, so consider me dumbfounded that Marvel allowed him to name his villain group "Bastards of Evil". I understand they are "The discarded and disavowed sons and daughters of supervillains" but really? Bastards of Evil?
Another thing, having a child of Radioactive Man when I assume Hazmat is going to be revealed as his child seems odd to me. In fact, the character designs and names of all the Bastards of Evil seem weak to me. Like they will die by the end of the first arc or something.
they don't seem to be all that adept at menacing the public yet...
I was surprised by that name as well, AA. Warhead (Radioactive man's son) should be quite the menace considering he and Gravity have already fought, and he managed to kill a few people and caused a lot of havoc with a radiation explosion. It could explain Gravity's darker disposition in Young Allies and why those two characters seem to have more tension between them.
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Another thing, having a child of Radioactive Man when I assume Hazmat is going to be revealed as his child seems odd to me. In fact, the character designs and names of all the Bastards of Evil seem weak to me. Like they will die by the end of the first arc or something.
I don't have my issue with me at the moment but after reading Avengers Academy #1 I'm thinking she won't be related to him. Her last name was revealed to be Takeda which would make her Japanese-American rather than Chinese and I recall it mentioned both her parents when it talked about her origin. So I'm thinking she won't be his son but we'll see.
There always the possibility that the Bastards won't actually be the children of the villains they think they are too.
As for the Generation of Hope teasers I don't know what to think, but the third one I was thinking Wild Child too AA.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 07, 2010, 06:32:24 PM
Speaking of McKeever, I assumed Young Allies was a children friendly book, so consider me dumbfounded that Marvel allowed him to name his villain group "Bastards of Evil". I understand they are "The discarded and disavowed sons and daughters of supervillains" but really? Bastards of Evil?
The book's actual rating is T +, so mild language probably isn't that big a deal (not that these comics companies really enforce the content level too strictly).
As for the character's being the parents of known villains, the newest issue seems to imply that at least one of them isn't related to the villain they were previously indicated to be.
Anyway, I enjoyed Young Allies, I'm planning to continue picking it up for now, I'll probably at least give it the initial arc. I also read Children's Crusade today. While not too much happened in the first issue, IMO the art was great and the writing was very strong. I'm looking forward to reading the rest of it.
What did people think of X-force and the latest X-death? I can't say I was surprised by it. Nothing surprising has come out of this event, and it looks like it'll be another pointless ending (see: Messiah War).
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I don't have my issue with me at the moment but after reading Avengers Academy #1 I'm thinking she won't be related to him. Her last name was revealed to be Takeda which would make her Japanese-American rather than Chinese and I recall it mentioned both her parents when it talked about her origin. So I'm thinking she won't be his son but we'll see.
I think it's a pretty good guess that
she won't be his
son. ;)
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Quote from: Podmark on July 08, 2010, 04:33:17 AM
I don't have my issue with me at the moment but after reading Avengers Academy #1 I'm thinking she won't be related to him. Her last name was revealed to be Takeda which would make her Japanese-American rather than Chinese and I recall it mentioned both her parents when it talked about her origin. So I'm thinking she won't be his son but we'll see.
I think it's a pretty good guess that she won't be his son. ;)
:doh: Ouch, yeah that's a bad mistake. Gotta stop posting before bed.
anybody know anything about a new book called "AVENGERS"? thought of subscribing to it but dont know who's gonna be in it or anything about it. :wacko:
Quote from: herodad1 on July 08, 2010, 02:44:51 PM
anybody know anything about a new book called "AVENGERS"? thought of subscribing to it but dont know who's gonna be in it or anything about it. :wacko:
I'd say pick up the first two issues to give it a try. I enjoyed the first issue but thought the second was a huge waste of time.
Quote from: herodad1 on July 08, 2010, 02:44:51 PM
anybody know anything about a new book called "AVENGERS"? thought of subscribing to it but dont know who's gonna be in it or anything about it. :wacko:
Avengers is written by Brian Bendis with John Romita Jr doing the art. The team currently featured includes Captain America (Bucky), Iron Man, Thor, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Spider-Woman, Hawkeye, and Protector (Noh-Varr). The first arc deals with Wonderman, Kang, and alternate timelines. I haven't read it so I can't give any indication of quality.
Quote from: Previsionary on July 08, 2010, 07:48:53 AM
What did people think of X-force and the latest X-death? I can't say I was surprised by it. Nothing surprising has come out of this event, and it looks like it'll be another pointless ending (see: Messiah War).
WTF?....Who in Marvel's infinite "wisdom" did they kill off now?
Dana :rolleyes:
Urgh so that character died huh? Well at least Hope did something other than cry about not wanting to be the messiah. I can't wait until she is fridged in 6 years.
X-Men #1 was painfully dull despite all the action. Vampires and mutants are not a good match.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 08, 2010, 05:44:10 PM
I can't wait until she is fridged in 6 years.
Me too, but first she has to turn into a lady Apocalypse. (http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/44763.htm/)
I thought it was pretty obvious since before the event that
Spoiler
Cable
was going to die. And thematically I think it makes sense. I just hope that he actually stays dead this time. It was a pretty definitive death I think and resurrections without an obvious out tend to bug me.
I want to like Hope, but so far she hasn't really done anything to endear me to her. I'm hoping a writer changes that eventually.
so how in the hell is steve cap, if the new young avengers takes place after siege
and as for the debate at least said character went out like a hero saving his/her team rather than some stupid death
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on July 08, 2010, 06:43:34 PM
so how in the hell is steve cap, if the new young avengers takes place after siege
It's an error. It's even noted in the first page of the comic.
What happened is that Children's Crusade was being drawn well in advance and they didn't properly anticipate how continuity would turn out. So they knew Steve would be back but they must have thought that he'd be back as Captain America or they just used the identity as a default because his new identity/costume hadn't been designed at the time the book was being drawn. Same with Iron Man.
Basically Jim Cheung is
slooooow. Awesome but
sloooooow.
I'm curious if they'll properly handle Magneto's current status quo, or if the book is going to mostly side step these issues.
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Quote from: herodad1 on July 08, 2010, 02:44:51 PM
anybody know anything about a new book called "AVENGERS"? thought of subscribing to it but dont know who's gonna be in it or anything about it. :wacko:
Avengers is written by Brian Bendis with John Romita Jr doing the art. The team currently featured includes Captain America (Bucky), Iron Man, Thor, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Spider-Woman, Hawkeye, and Protector (Noh-Varr). The first arc deals with Wonderman, Kang, and alternate timelines. I haven't read it so I can't give any indication of quality.
It's funny because I'm fairly sure this thread contains three discussions on all three Bendis books. It is "The Marvel Thread." It's not like those discussions aren't just a page away. Oy [and] Vey!
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At least I get to say, "told ya so," to UE, who insisted that Hope was going to turn out to be Jean. :P. The current X-regime don't want Jean back; they just want someone very similar to her. Very, very similar (including Fraction's Emma).
I do think X-men and vampires can have a good story (see the 80s), but not a whole opening event based on it. Victor Gischler shouldn't be writing X-men... especially not a team that focuses on Pixie and tries to shoehorn in Jubilee. Vampires shouldn't even be active right now after their failed British invasion, and I'm pretty sure they just returned to the land of the living a year ago, Marvel time. Way to set yourself up for major disappointment, Mr. Gischler.
Actual the way they returned means they'd have what they need to do this. The Montressi formula was basically an enchantment that banished vampires from earth. When the enchantment was broken ALL the vampires came back.
Oh there's still plenty of time to tie her into Jean and/or the Phoenix. But I hope she doesn't turn out to be literally Jean. I'd rather Hope be a separate, possibly connected if need be, character.
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I thought it was pretty obvious since before the event that Spoiler
Cable
I want to like Hope, but so far she hasn't really done anything to endear me to her. I'm hoping a writer changes that eventually.
One possible out that I think was used with the character once before (iffy on that though)...
Spoiler
and has been used with Kang and (maybe) Apocalypse: a slightly different version of him comes back from an alternate future, one that diverged at some point from the timeline of the Cable who just died. Time travel based characters can be so irritating.
Quote from: Talavar on July 08, 2010, 08:34:50 PM
One possible out that I think was used with the character once before (iffy on that though)...Spoiler
and has been used with Kang and (maybe) Apocalypse: a slightly different version of him comes back from an alternate future, one that diverged at some point from the timeline of the Cable who just died. Time travel based characters can be so irritating.
Well yeah of course there's always that. But technically he wouldn't be exactly the same version that died. That scenario was pretty much used in
Spoiler
Cable and Deadpool after Cable was killed by the Skorrn at the end of X-Force volume 2. Deadpool retrieved the House of M Cable which was a baby in the care of Mr. Sinister. Technically it was an alternate Cable but it was treated as if it was the same one once he grew to adult age again. I can't remember if there was an explanation why he was treated as the same.
Two quick thoughts on some books, with no spoilers.
Amazing Spider-Man #636: I'm not a fan of Spider-Man but this "Grim Hunt" arc has been very good. The art is great and, seeing as I don't follow the characters, it's pretty easy for me to jump right in. My main complaint, though? Where the heck is Calypso. This story arc should have her all over the place.
Shadowland #1: I've been reading Diggle's take on Daredevil for years now and I'm not usually a fan of DD. The artwork is great and I love the writing and where the plot is going. The issue is good and makes me hype for the rest of the issues. My only minor complaint.. stop showing us the same 'iconic pose' when someone gets stabbed with a sai in a Daredevil comic.
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Amazing Spider-Man #636: I'm not a fan of Spider-Man but this "Grim Hunt" arc has been very good. The art is great and, seeing as I don't follow the characters, it's pretty easy for me to jump right in. My main complaint, though? Where the heck is Calypso. This story arc should have her all over the place.
I'm also enjoying Grim Hunt.
Calypso was killed years ago by Alyosha Kravinoff. I think she's come back from the dead before but it wouldn't make much sense to have her in this storyline. I don't think Sasha Kravinoff would want her husband's lover hanging around. I imagine Alyosha and Ana wouldn't want her around either.
The odd thing about Shadowland is that this is more or less an alteration of Daredevil's Kingpin arc from a few years ago. Danny and Luke were there for that too but reacted in a completely different way.
Anyway... after reading X-men #1, I agree with AA on how blah it was. I don't understand why they keep de-aging Jubilee. She's not a teenager anymore. Let her be a young adult. I'll flip if this girl graduates again, She's only done it 3 or so times now. I also didn't understand why Pixie and Cyclops were so chummy with Jubilee while Wolverine never spoke to her. Doesn't that just seem wrong? I can tell Victor did some X-research (see Storm... even though Cyclops denied her), but simple things like that annoy me. All the focus Pixie is getting also annoys me. :P
On the art side, I'm always mixed on Paco Medina's style. It worked OK for Deadpool, but it looks a bit weird here, especially given the content and how well endowed all the women (and Pixie) are.
Second ComingSpoiler
Cable has an easy out just by saying the portal collapsed on him. Also, with Rachel still around, she could grab him or a version of him at any time. He did it for her; I'm sure she could do the same considering her not oft-used powers. However, I don't see Cable returning any time soon, with Nate returning to the forefront. Nate would be a better teacher for Hope as well, so I see them going down that route.
Overall, Second Coming has disappointed me in so many ways. Messiah Complex is still the superior X-event. This event was way too long for very little pay off. After issue 4, it meandered. We still don't know what's up with Hope and why she's considered a messiah or what her powers are and why she's able to access so many abilities at once like Rogue.
So many characters died off in bleh ways. Nightcrawler may have been the most heroic even though it wasn't necessary at all. There was not one point in this event where I was surprised or eagerly awaiting the next issue. I always seemed to know what was going to happen even without reading spoilers or keeping up with where characters were appearing via covers or solicits. I never felt like the villains were much of a menace and a lot of the X-men's predicaments fell on poor tactics via Cyclops's command. And how sad is it that I stopped reading sometime around issue 6 and still feel like I missed nothing in the latest issue? I also loved how Xavier and Legion were kicking butt a few issues ago and then completely disappeared from the story. Stuff like that seemed to happen a lot.
Basically, if this story was 7 issues + an epilogue and a few tie-ins, it would have fared much better. I'm still wondering why X-factor was stopped mid-storyline to be brought into this event (and yes, Trask dies in this storyline, if you didn't know). Event happy Marvel is a bit ridiculous. But hey, at least there's Old Man Logan 2 to look forward to, which was OKed just because Millar wanted to do it. No pitch necessary in the Quesada era.
Speaking of Cable and Quesada, you should check out today's installment of "Gutters (http://www.the-gutters.com/comic/12-sheldon-vella)".
The only part of Paco's art I hated was how he drew Pixie.
Yeah I'll agree with you about Second Coming Previsionary. Complex was far superior. Second Coming should have been 2 months at most and have the writers write less decompressed issues. The book needed some more story beats and I wonder if maybe Hellbound and Blind Science should have been rolled into the main books. Marvel also needs to be more careful with solicitations and upcoming covers because they basically gave away the entire story. There's still one more issue but we needed at least one definitive thing about Hope. And she better be used significantly from now on or the entire point of this trilogy and the Cable ongoing will be pointless.
I enjoyed it enough to pick up the whole thing but it could have been so much better.
Once Second Coming is over, Hellion, Hope, Psylocke, Colossus, Omega Sentinel (Karima), and Danger are heading into the lime light via Carey's X-men Legacy. Could this mean it'll stop being a Rogue + lesser New X-men book and start focusing on the future and how Hope is supposed to be important? Still, it's great to see Psylocke and Colossus used in stories again outside of being bland fighters and cannon fodder.
Quote from: Previsionary on July 13, 2010, 04:18:14 AM
Once Second Coming is over, Hellion, Hope, Psylocke, Colossus, Omega Sentinel (Karima), and Danger are heading into the lime light via Carey's X-men Legacy. Could this mean it'll stop being a Rogue + lesser New X-men book and start focusing on the future and how Hope is supposed to be important? Still, it's great to see Psylocke and Colossus used in stories again outside of being bland fighters and cannon fodder.
Actually thats the second arc after Second Coming. The first one is Rogue, Magneto and the survivors of Alpha Squadron in India to face the Children of the Vault.
I'm pretty sure it's going to remain the Rogue and students book though.
Will Legacy be tied into this vampire business?
Quote from: murs47 on July 13, 2010, 04:56:03 AM
Will Legacy be tied into this vampire business?
Carey's already detailed at least his next six issues none of which involve vampires, surely that will get us outside of the vampire stuff. Right? Right? :(
Actually it's possible the Hellion arc could have vampires. We don't know too much about it yet.
Bleeding Cool is reporting that New X-Force will be renamed Uncanny X-Force and that the team will consist of Wolverine, Archangel, Fantomex, Deadpool and Psylocke (which what we were guessing here).
Quote from: Podmark on July 13, 2010, 02:44:49 PM
Bleeding Cool is reporting that New X-Force will be renamed Uncanny X-Force and that the team will consist of Wolverine, Archangel, Fantomex, Deadpool and Psylocke (which what we were guessing here).
Sweet! That's a pretty cool line-up
Hrm, well it's confirmed and Jeff Parker's
Atlas was canceled again. Unfortunately, despite Marvel trying everything in its power to keep the book going, it just wasn't a big draw. Jeff has some bad luck with his funny books despite being an above average writer the majority of the time.
Quote from: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/07/13/jeff-parker-ken-hale-on-gorilla-man-the-end-of-agents-of-atlas/Jeff Parker: Why hello, Chris!
CA: How's it going, Jeff? Thanks for taking a minute to chat between writing your... what is it, 28 monthly titles now?
JP: Oh please, it's just 26. About to be 25.
CA: Uh oh. I don't like the sound of that.
JP: Me neither, so I might as well rip the bandaid off now. I'm killing "Atlas" at issue 5.
CA: Oh no!
JP: Yeah. So there, haters who predicted we'd go down- you win! Don't you feel great and wise? But at least it was me who went out back and shot Lenny while he looked for bunnies, not Marvel.
CA: So what brought this on?
JP: Well first, maybe we should embed an audio file for mood. I'd suggest "Parting of the Sensory" by Modest Mouse.
Anyway, our orders for ATLAS 1 started off in the low 20ks, which isn't surprising because a lot of things are coming in low right now, and we've always been on the fringe. Atlas has actually always sold better than a lot of books that get to go on much longer- a good bit of DC's line. But the Marvel danger zone is 20k more or less, and since books tend to trend downward, that always sets off alarms. I know some people think I try to cram them in everywhere, but that's really more editors suggesting it, and me usually agreeing. I brought up at least four different characters for "Deadpool Team Up" that were shot down before I finally said "uh... Gorilla Man?" and got greenlit. And that issue has ordered really well, so that makes me think Gorilla Man is probably a character who will have some legs after Atlas. Namora too.
CA: So this is the end?
JP: Yeah. I could have kept it going, but the options offered were to tie the book into another crossover mini-event, I just wasn't feeling it. I did it a couple of times already and feel we got some good stuff out of it, but I'm just not interested in doing it again, introducing the team again, all that. This 3-D Man story really turned out to be pretty great, it's going to be a definite highwater mark. And I don't want to follow it with something that would probably be less inspired. Because the whole reason for doing the book is to do the kinds of stories I set the book up for, and if we're not going to do that, there's not much point.
At least we got a Gorilla man spin off???
Sometimes no matter how good a book is, the character(s) just aren't enough of a draw. That's what happed with Atlas.
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1279112536.jpg)
I'm officially pumped, Deadpool is finally with a cast! Can't go wrong with Fantomex either and I'm sure Psylocke fans are happy she's getting some serious limelight. I'm also glad they are keeping Warren as Archangel, he hasn't been interesting to me since...uhm...he wasn't Archangel. We all know about Wolverine already. But, to be honest, this and Aaron's Weapon X are where he belongs. The real question is: will Podmark be expanding his X-Force skin set?
Honestly including Fantomex and Deadpool to a mutant protection strikeforce seems out of character for Cyke. Especially given his "if you aren't a mutant, get out" persona. In fact, he should have probably kicked Danger, Mirage, and Psylocke off of Utopia. Though one could argue that Psylocke current body has the x-gene but originally she was half-human, half-otherworlder like Jamie and Brian (both non-mutants). Whatever, I'm probably going to buy this.
Quote from: murs47 on July 14, 2010, 03:36:35 PM
The real question is: will Podmark be expanding his X-Force skin set?
That answer will probably be yes, but it may depend on whether I pick up the book.
Supposedly Wolverine is fully in charge of this version of X-Force not Cyclops.
AA that Cloak and Dagger one shot made no sense for Cyclops. Matt Fraction had Cyclops say that Utopia was open to the families of the mutants as well, and the Russian girls should still be on the island, and of course there's characters like Danger, Prodigy, Moonstar, Warlock, and Ink who Cyclops welcomed with open arms. Not to mention that Cyclops himself welcomed Cloak and Dagger to Utopia at the end of the crossover.
That was just a lazy excuse by a writer to write out Cloak and Dagger, it's not how Cyclops thinks.
Eh, you're assuming the current X-writers remember anything about classic Psylocke and her British history. None of them actually reference it... ever. Not even Carey. :P. As far as they're concerned, she's a psychic/telekinetic ninja in a bathing suit that can fight well (and be a flashlight if under Fraction's pen). Fantomex has an in just because of how Fraction utilized him. Still, as Kitty would say, CYCLOPS IS A JERK!
[Wonder when they're gonna get Reed to undo Kitty's perma-phase like he did last time. Eh.]
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 14, 2010, 04:06:36 PM
Honestly including Fantomex and Deadpool to a mutant protection strikeforce seems out of character for Cyke. Especially given his "if you aren't a mutant, get out" persona. In fact, he should have probably kicked Danger, Mirage, and Psylocke off of Utopia. Though one could argue that Psylocke current body has the x-gene but originally she was half-human, half-otherworlder like Jamie and Brian (both non-mutants). Whatever, I'm probably going to buy this.
According to Marvel's description of "mutants", wouldn't Betsy, Brian and Jamie all qualify as mutants (just as Namor does)? They possess abilities not possessed by either parent? I dunno...Maybe they don't have the "x-gene", but they fit into Namor's description of a mutant hybrid.
Dana
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Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 14, 2010, 04:06:36 PM
Honestly including Fantomex and Deadpool to a mutant protection strikeforce seems out of character for Cyke. Especially given his "if you aren't a mutant, get out" persona. In fact, he should have probably kicked Danger, Mirage, and Psylocke off of Utopia. Though one could argue that Psylocke current body has the x-gene but originally she was half-human, half-otherworlder like Jamie and Brian (both non-mutants). Whatever, I'm probably going to buy this.
According to Marvel's description of "mutants", wouldn't Betsy, Brian and Jamie all qualify as mutants (just as Namor does)? They possess abilities not possessed by either parent? I dunno...Maybe they don't have the "x-gene", but they fit into Namor's description of a mutant hybrid.
Dana
That's actually not the definition of a mutant in Marvel: "a mutant is an individual who possesses a genetic trait called an X-gene that allows them to naturally develop superhuman powers and abilities. Mutants are members of the subspecies Homo sapiens superior, an evolutionary progeny of Homo sapiens, and are considered the next stage in human evolution."
All of the Braddock children have powers because of their mystical ties to the Otherworld. Namor is classified as a mutant but I don't think he has the x-gene (I could be wrong especially since he was classified as the first mutant in House of M).
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Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on July 14, 2010, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 14, 2010, 04:06:36 PM
Honestly including Fantomex and Deadpool to a mutant protection strikeforce seems out of character for Cyke. Especially given his "if you aren't a mutant, get out" persona. In fact, he should have probably kicked Danger, Mirage, and Psylocke off of Utopia. Though one could argue that Psylocke current body has the x-gene but originally she was half-human, half-otherworlder like Jamie and Brian (both non-mutants). Whatever, I'm probably going to buy this.
According to Marvel's description of "mutants", wouldn't Betsy, Brian and Jamie all qualify as mutants (just as Namor does)? They possess abilities not possessed by either parent? I dunno...Maybe they don't have the "x-gene", but they fit into Namor's description of a mutant hybrid.
Dana
That's actually not the definition of a mutant in Marvel: "a mutant is an individual who possesses a genetic trait called an X-gene that allows them to naturally develop superhuman powers and abilities. Mutants are members of the subspecies Homo sapiens superior, an evolutionary progeny of Homo sapiens, and are considered the next stage in human evolution."
All of the Braddock children have powers because of their mystical ties to the Otherworld. Namor is classified as a mutant but I don't think he has the x-gene (I could be wrong especially since he was classified as the first mutant in House of M).
How is Namor the first mutant in-world though? I mean, chronologically in real life, the character of Namor is sort of the first mutant character, but in-setting, there are mutants much older than Namor - Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister to name two.
He's not... it's just a title at this point. Perhaps he's the first RECOGNIZED mutant or something. Also, Dana's definition of a mutant was one Marvel clung to for awhile (see: Rachel Grey. She wasn't a mutant because of her genes and powers... but because she had the ability to send her mind across time, something her mother couldn't do.). It's like that rule that mutant siblings can't hurt each other that comes and goes whenever it's convenient.
Namor was called Marvel's first mutant well before House of M. It was just a marketing ploy meaning that he was the first character introduced by Marvel to be a mutant - even though they only started calling him that afterwards.
Um...That's the new(er) definition, AA...Not the original (thanks, Prev).
Dana
The original definition is here...
http://marvel.com/universe/Category_talk:Mutants
"Marvel's policy is that a mutant is defined as someone who has a genetic "x-factor" that allows him or her to exhibit traits different than his or her parents."
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Honestly including Fantomex and Deadpool to a mutant protection strikeforce seems out of character for Cyke. Especially given his "if you aren't a mutant, get out" persona. In fact, he should have probably kicked Danger, Mirage, and Psylocke off of Utopia. Though one could argue that Psylocke current body has the x-gene but originally she was half-human, half-otherworlder like Jamie and Brian (both non-mutants). Whatever, I'm probably going to buy this.
According to Marvel's description of "mutants", wouldn't Betsy, Brian and Jamie all qualify as mutants (just as Namor does)? They possess abilities not possessed by either parent? I dunno...Maybe they don't have the "x-gene", but they fit into Namor's description of a mutant hybrid.
That's actually not the definition of a mutant in Marvel: "a mutant is an individual who possesses a genetic trait called an X-gene that allows them to naturally develop superhuman powers and abilities. Mutants are members of the subspecies Homo sapiens superior, an evolutionary progeny of Homo sapiens, and are considered the next stage in human evolution."
All of the Braddock children have powers because of their mystical ties to the Otherworld. Namor is classified as a mutant but I don't think he has the x-gene (I could be wrong especially since he was classified as the first mutant in House of M).
What I don't get is that Brian seems to be the only one who's powers depend on his Otherworld connection...Betsy and Jamie don't seem to be hindered in that way. Betsy's powers even went with her when her soul/mind/spirit was placed in Kwannon's body. Poor Brian seems to be the weakest of the three...And he and Betsy are twins.
Dana
Hrm? No, that's not how his powers work anymore. His powers are now directly related to his confidence levels and emotions. It's not even related to his costume anymore. See: Captain Britain and the MI13 issues #1-4 (Secret Invasion tie in)
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Anyway, any books read today? End of Second Coming? Kyle and Yost's final X-force story (X-force: Sex and Violence)? The end of Grim Hunt?
Actually Betsy power did not go soul to body. Kwannon was mutant with psychic powers who was inhabited by Betsy after the fact. Considering Psylocke was an English character without ties to the X-Men or that psychic knife, and she was born of otherworlder magic, not a marvel comics x-gene proves she is not as mutant.
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Anyway, any books read today? End of Second Coming? Kyle and Yost's final X-force story (X-force: Sex and Violence)? The end of Grim Hunt?
Light on time so a few quick thoughts.
Second Coming #2
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4 stories. I liked the Yost and Kyle one best as it closed out X-Force and set up the next X-Force which is fully ran by Wolverine and a secret to Cyclops. Cyclops no longer thinks he needs a X-Force but he's happy with the work they did. Sadly that story was drawn by Land
Fraction's story had Emma see Hope create Phoenix flames and ends with Cyclops discovering 5 new mutant signatures.
The rest was mostly meh, art was ok.
Hellbound was ok. I wasn't huge on Tolibao's art in this series.
I actually really enjoyed X-Force Sex and Violence. Art is very nice, story is simple but well done I thought. The Assassins Guild is after Domino after she double crossed them and Wolverine is helping her.
Grim Hunt
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End results:
Mattie Franklin = killed by Sasha.
Madame Web = killed by Sasha.
Julia Carpenter = gained Madame Web's powers and role.
Arana = given Julia's costume.
Kaine = killed by Sasha, but rises from the grave at the end with the caption calling him Taratula.
Kraven= resurrected, possibly can only be killed by Spider-Man.
Sasha = killed by Kraven at the end.
Vladimir = killed by Kraven at the end.
Alyosha = left Kraven.
Ana = stayed with Kraven, was sent to kill Alyosha.
That's essentially it. Spider-Man defeated Kraven by the end but thanks to Arana and Julia he refused to kill him (Spidey was consumed by rage by the end of the story). The Kravens escaped to the Savage Land at the end and Sergei decided to thin the herd and killed Sasha and Vladimir. Ana wants to be trained by him but Alyosha wanted out. Sergei told Ana that he would train whichever of her and Alyosha was still alive so she left to kill her brother.
Was a pretty good story, might have benefited from another issue as there were a lot of characters in play here. I'm very interested with the Kaine twist at the end.
I also read Avengers Academy, which was pretty good. It essentially just fleshes out the character of Finesse who is a girl who learns skills easily but doesn't understand human interaction.
Yes... that Land art paired with Yost and Kyle was... very juxtaposing in how much I enjoy those people's work separately. Really contrasting. I need Land out of the X-books and into a series I don't care about... like DP teamup.
Sex and Violence was pretty good. I'm trying to figure out if this takes place before or during the time Wolverine hooked up with reporter girl over in Weapon X. I'm assuming before because I recall Domino giving Wolvie advice on his relationship in the same book.
Deadpool Origins was alright. It poked and had a lot of fun at the idea of a Deadpool movie and how bad it could go. I enjoyed it for what it was, and I'm convinced Duane long S-name can write DP better than Way. That's a compliment from me. Besides, James Cameron and Michael Bay jokes are the in-thing right now, right?
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Sex and Violence was pretty good. I'm trying to figure out if this takes place before or during the time Wolverine hooked up with reporter girl over in Weapon X. I'm assuming before because I recall Domino giving Wolvie advice on his relationship in the same book.
I was hoping it would include a note giving some indication of when it's supposed to take place. It's obviously somewhere between the Old Ghosts arc and Necrosha. I have no idea how that lines up with Weapon X.
The only thing I can hope for out of the Second Coming finale is that Hope learns to be interesting (nice explanation of her powers, guys. *eyes rolling*) and that Emma finally finds her way home to her personality. Gravy, I'd even take the Morrison/Whedon personality again. Submissive, Jean-lite Emma is not what I want. Why is Marvel and the X-editors letting Fraction tame her so much? The fact that I no longer dislike her but feel bad for her should say all it needs to! "Always good," my boot. My boot, I say. My boot!
Anyone pick up Shadowland #1? I really dug the book... I'm a huge street level fan so a whole crossover revolving around Matt Murdoch has me psyched. Also with one promo image come true (Daredevil Vs Bullseye, for keeps) I cant wait to see some more come true (like restored Frank Castle).
I picked it up last week and thought it was a decent start. This week's DD issue was pretty good. Hopefully Shadowland keeps climbing up, a "bad" DD could be a lot of fun, even if it temporary.
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Bleeding Cool is reporting that New X-Force will be renamed Uncanny X-Force and that the team will consist of Wolverine, Archangel, Fantomex, Deadpool and Psylocke (which what we were guessing here).
My only question is..why isn't X-23 and Domino included in this group? I mean, they fit the X-Force idea so much better than any other team. Or did I miss these two dying or something?
Wolverine doesn't want X23 on the team anymore. He finally decided to stop using her as a weapon and let her attempt at becoming a little more regular. Henceforth, she will be getting said development in her solo ongoing. Domino... eh, who knows?
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Grim Hunt
Spoiler
End results:
Mattie Franklin = killed by Sasha.
Madame Web = killed by Sasha.
Julia Carpenter = gained Madame Web's powers and role.
Arana = given Julia's costume.
Kaine = killed by Sasha, but rises from the grave at the end with the caption calling him Taratula.
Kraven= resurrected, possibly can only be killed by Spider-Man.
Sasha = killed by Kraven at the end.
Vladimir = killed by Kraven at the end.
Alyosha = left Kraven.
Ana = stayed with Kraven, was sent to kill Alyosha.
That's essentially it. Spider-Man defeated Kraven by the end but thanks to Arana and Julia he refused to kill him (Spidey was consumed by rage by the end of the story). The Kravens escaped to the Savage Land at the end and Sergei decided to thin the herd and killed Sasha and Vladimir. Ana wants to be trained by him but Alyosha wanted out. Sergei told Ana that he would train whichever of her and Alyosha was still alive so she left to kill her brother.
Was a pretty good story, might have benefited from another issue as there were a lot of characters in play here. I'm very interested with the Kaine twist at the end.
agreed grim hunt was a lot better than i thought it had any right to be, it'll be one that works really well as a tpb, one thing though
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when in the hell did spidey learn to the whole mark of kaine thing
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on July 17, 2010, 04:51:03 PM
agreed grim hunt was a lot better than i thought it had any right to be, it'll be one that works really well as a tpb, one thing though
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when in the hell did spidey learn to the whole mark of kaine thing
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I guess it's really just using his spider clinging ability and using that to rip off skin, so it wouldn't be hard to do. There was a lot of spiritual stuff going on in that arc maybe it had something to do with that.
Anyway I'm probably off Spidey for the next arc. I gotta a feeling that Quesada's just going to muck things up.
Quote from: Previsionary on July 17, 2010, 04:19:45 PM
Wolverine doesn't want X23 on the team anymore. He finally decided to stop using her as a weapon and let her attempt at becoming a little more regular. Henceforth, she will be getting said development in her solo ongoing. Domino... eh, who knows?
Yeah I was wondering about Domino as well. She fits really well and I can't understand why Wolverine wouldn't want her there. I'll probably ask about that when Remender does an X-Position on CBR.
Should I be reading Spidey? I haven't read a Spider-man comic since I was like 13 but oddly enough this appeals to me.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on July 17, 2010, 08:09:03 PM
Should I be reading Spidey? I haven't read a Spider-man comic since I was like 13 but oddly enough this appeals to me.
I've really been enjoying it, but you have to put up with different writers and artist every few issues so the overall reading experience is uneven. Subplots sometimes go too long without being touched while they wait for the writer who started them to come back through the rotation. If you want to hit the trades or back issues there's a bunch of stories I'd recommend. If your interested in the new issues you should keep in mind that rumour is the book is about to change format in the near future.
Also if you havent read spidey since you where 13 there is a lot of good spidey here and there to choose from if you go to the trades. But for recent stuff I also highly recomend "Fever", a psychedelic spidey and stephen strange story.
Hrm, AA, with OMIT being the next spidey story, which explains the particularities behind MJ and Pete's split (I.E., the follow up to One More Day) as written by Joe Quesada, I wouldn't advise jumping into the current storyline, but there's no issues with you reading the earlier BND stuff since it was made with new comers in mind. The constant web jamming may annoy you though. :P
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Hrm, AA, with OMIT being the next spidey story, which explains the particularities behind MJ and Pete's split (I.E., the follow up to One More Day) as written by Joe Quesada, I wouldn't advise jumping into the current storyline, but there's no issues with you reading the earlier BND stuff since it was made with new comers in mind. The constant web jamming may annoy you though. :P
Ok. I've really enjoyed Ultimate Comics Spidey but I have been staying far way from 616 Spidey because of all the horrible things I've heard (Gwen being cloned, Kaine, Anti-Venom, Chameleon raping Pete's roommate and the MJ/Pete marriage being magically annulled) this story and the one with the Rhino seems awesome. Maybe I'll pick up the first couple of this current run (what issue should I start with) and work my way backwards.
The current run Brand New Day started with Amazing Spider-Man 546 which starts a three issue arc by Dan Slott and Steve McNiven. I liked that one and it introduces most of the elements that were in play for the first year.
Some of the better stories in my opinion:
New Ways to Die 568-573 - introduces Anit-Venom and pits Spider-Man against Norman Osborn and the Thunderbolts.
American Son 595-599 - essentially a sequel to New Ways to Die pitting Spidey against Norman and the Dark Avengers
611 - Joe Kelley written Deadpool, one of Deadpool's best appearances since C&D ended.
617 & 625 - the Rhino story which is 2 of the best comics I've read.
Grim Hunt 634-637 - The just finished Kraven arc.
If you get Grim Hunt you might want to start with Kraven's First Hunt 565-567 which starts up the story. Story is decent and the art is Phil Jimenez who developed the story.
So maybe start at the beginning if you like maybe keep going, if not just try some of the stories I listed.
Spider-Man The List was great too... him Vs Norman in Ironman Armor. Great fight, good dialog, nice ending.
Atlas cancelled... Sigh.
Aside: The iPad is a surprisingly great comic book reading platform. Now, Marvel (and other publishers), try to offer a few more recent titles, OK?
Sorry for asking, but this just clicked in my mind. Pod, UE... did they get around to explaining Arana's power loss? It'd be kinda weird for Young Allies to tell us to read this story to find out why and then not have it explained. Maybe it's been relegated to the Spider-girl book coming up?
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Sorry for asking, but this just clicked in my mind. Pod, UE... did they get around to explaining Arana's power loss? It'd be kinda weird for Young Allies to tell us to read this story to find out why and then not have it explained. Maybe it's been relegated to the Spider-girl book coming up?
She didn't lose her powers in Grim Hunt, and it didn't show or mention Arana having powers either. I'm not really well versed in Arana's history, but the end of the Young Allies had a recap on each character and in the Arana section it mentioned her relinquishing her powers in a past story. I'd have to dig up the issue but I think it was a story before she was in Ms Marvel, so I don't really know what's going on with her powers.
I think the footnote in Young Allies was just referring to the new costume and being referred to as Spider-Girl. I thought it was a weird footnote to begin with as it didn't seem to be referring to anything specifically.
My review of Avengers 3. My last issue of that series.
So...
Yeah?
I read it.
Right.
What happens?
Well...
Why the pause?
Things happened.
Really?
Yeah. A thousand things. On the first two pages.
Really.
Yes.
So, anything else.
Hawkeye.
Barely in it?
Yeah. But also the coloring thing.
Bad?
Well...
Well, what?
His uniform is colored in three different ways.
Oh?
Yeah.
Anything else?
Yeah, space boy.
What?
Right. Randomly inserted. Strange.
Okay.
And broken dialogue. Maybe 50% complete sentences.
Because people talk that way.
They do?
Yeah.
Boring.
Yeah.
Nice art, but the coloring is terrible and the dialogue is dreadful. For the record, I gave it a shot. Three to be specific.
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Nice art, but the coloring is terrible and the dialogue is dreadful. For the record, I gave it a shot. Three to be specific.
Heh, one issue longer than I did. I simply gave it a glance on the shelf today.
I gave it 2 myself. The dialogue and rushed art in the preceding issue drove me up a wall and through the roof. Now, who has read OMIT and how mad will the internetz be?
*I hate how people who love Bendis's ode to David Mamet try to say everyone speaks that way. I certainly don't, and I've never heard anyone speak like that. I'd be so annoyed if someone kept interrupting and repeating me. Besides, every character speaking like that in his books when they have such diverse backgrounds is automatically wrong to me. Ultimate Spidey, fine. Avengers... no.
It seems like the sole reason for Spidey to be there is to facilitate that dialogue.
I actually thought it was the best issue of the series so far. I liked the end and the dialog didn't bother me but I'm a fan of Ult Spidey.
just started reading spidey so lets see how this goes..............BAH SCARY RED HEADED LADY
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so what have we learnt so far, the wedding is called off because peter gets knocked out during a fight and sleeps through it, really guys this is the best crap you can come up with, ohh that parker luck, boring excuse hopefully the next part gives us something better
ohh and lest not forget the obligatory gwen is is only one true love **** we have to have shoved down our throats, we get it jo Q you like gwen and MJ is ruined the comic.
it was paced decently but nothing spectacular but the art bloody hell. i will put my hand on the bible and say i can not draw for crap but seriously what the hell was up with the proportions for this, the atomic chins are back and it seems MJ hit the junk food and peters hit the crack
But UE... he got hit by a brick (cinder block). The brick is an excellent villain in MU. First, Cyclops, now Spidey. Acceptable. His enhanced healing took a day off, me thinks.
But... we finally know what MJ whispered to Mephisto that took 3 years to reveal. Was the reveal worth keeping a secret for so long?
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But UE... he got hit by a brick (cinder block). The brick is an excellent villain in MU. First, Cyclops, now Spidey. Acceptable. His enhanced healing took a day off, me thinks.
But... we finally know what MJ whispered to Mephisto that took 3 years to reveal. Was the reveal worth keeping a secret for so long?
Spoil please: what did she say?
First two pages of the book:
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yeah all that time and though it shows how much MJ loved pete, part of me thought, is that it
though "So I guess the fat guy who falls on Spidey to prevent the marriage is a metaphor for Joe Q?" quote of the week
Thanks for that Prev. Not only have you satisfied my curiosity, but strengthened my resolve to continue not reading Spider-man.
But Talavar... Pete got smacked by a brick! The legendary brick clan is trying to knock sense into all these heroes! I'm a big fan of the brick clan so far... even large ones that couldn't possibly be tossed into the air by a normal man... not in the way this one was. But who cares? Brick totally owned Spidey. Who'll be next? Hulk? Tony? Logan? Cyclops again?
How do you know these bricks aren't really Skrulls in disguise?
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The fact that his response is "As far as I'm concerned this never happened" makes me think that since "this never happened" he can screw with peter any time he wants because "this never happened"
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But Talavar... Pete got smacked by a brick! The legendary brick clan is trying to knock sense into all these heroes! I'm a big fan of the brick clan so far... even large ones that couldn't possibly be tossed into the air by a normal man... not in the way this one was. But who cares? Brick totally owned Spidey. Who'll be next? Hulk? Tony? Logan? Cyclops again?
I can't wait until the next Marvel mega-event: World War Brick! Or maybe Avengers: Brick-ssembled.
PS: when did Cyclops get hit with a brick?
Regardless, Mephisto is a liar...He always has been always will be. Both MJ and Peter are fools to think he'll keep any sort of bargain with them. AFAIC, Peter and Mary Jane were written as if they are idiots during that whole mess.
Dana
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Quote from: Previsionary on July 22, 2010, 10:54:16 PM
But Talavar... Pete got smacked by a brick! The legendary brick clan is trying to knock sense into all these heroes! I'm a big fan of the brick clan so far... even large ones that couldn't possibly be tossed into the air by a normal man... not in the way this one was. But who cares? Brick totally owned Spidey. Who'll be next? Hulk? Tony? Logan? Cyclops again?
I can't wait until the next Marvel mega-event: World War Brick! Or maybe Avengers: Brick-ssembled.
PS: when did Cyclops get hit with a brick?
Utopia -- Dark Avengers vs. X-men. It was my avatar for about a month. That's how much I loved it.
OMIT:
The opening two pages made me think Joe Q was doing damage control on Peter. Sure, he made MJ look heroic in her own sense, but Joey also removed more blame from Peter and placed it on MJ for CONVINCING Pete to give up their marriage. Editorial has been putting blame on MJ since that story ended, and now they're cementing it. It's so sad that it took 3 years for them to get back to this lingering plot line, and it's this that they came up with.
Rumors are confirmed... The "Brand New Day" era comes to a close, and Dan Slott will be the sole writer of ASM:
Quote from: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27460Issue #647 may be the final issue of you guys working together as a team on "Amazing Spider-Man," but it's not the final issue of the series. Any hints or teases as to how this issue leaves Spidey and how it sets the stage for issue #648, which I believe marks the beginning of Dan's run as the sole writer on the book?
Slott: Well, I've already written stuff for next March. So if it doesn't end with Pete and Norman Osborn playing Twister in a vat of Jello, I'm hosed. 'Cause that's where I'm picking up from.
Any final thoughts you would like to share about "Amazing Spider-Man" #647 or your work as a whole on the series?
Wells:We had our last conference call a week ago, but none of us could bring ourselves to admit it. Steve had to quickly schedule another one once everything was finished. We weren't ready to let it go.
Slott: This was a really great experience. Everyone was really supportive and inspiring. I'm going to miss being part of this team.
Kelly: The only thing I wanted to add as a final thought was mega - kudos to Steve, Tom and Tom. We writer-types got breaks in between issues and arcs, but editorial as a whole really held the ship together and not only pulled off the herculean feat of putting out essentially 3 books a month for 3 years, but they were good books. And they shook up Spidey's world, suffered the slings and arrows of naysayers, all with an unwavering directive: to take Spidey to new heights and give him a kick arse story. We just helped that along. Seriously, all credit is due to you guys.
is it sad that this whole BND only one story delivered the grim hunt. the two with the thunderbolts/dark avengers had promise but never really delivered
the rest meh
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on July 23, 2010, 05:23:30 AM
Regardless, Mephisto is a liar...He always has been always will be. Both MJ and Peter are fools to think he'll keep any sort of bargain with them. AFAIC, Peter and Mary Jane were written as if they are idiots during that whole mess.
Dana
Seconded. Peter would have known better, if he'd been written correctly, and no BND. Heroes don't make deals with Mephisto.
Honestly, what
good storylines did they come up with that couldn't have been done without BND? I haven't been following Spidey since, but from the sounds of the reviews in this thread the best storylines didn't have anything to do with BND. Unless of course they choose to retcon them to be Mephisto pulling strings.
am i the only one who would have liked BND more if it was loki. i know loki owed peter a favour so peter cashes it in to save aunt may, only loki being his usual self forgets to mention that to do so would change the past and take away the marriage
at least that way everyone's in character
What his new upcoming look?
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Um...Ick (on the new "look").
Dana
I really enjoyed BND as a whole, but I'll agree that little of it needed an unmarried Spider-Man. You'd lose three characters: Carlie Cooper, Michelle Gonzales, and Black Cat. None would have been a big loss. Everything else could have been done more or less the same. The biggest difference would be that MJ would have to be in it all the time, which would have changed Peter's living conditions, and put more or less pressure on him if he was still having money problems. That would have changed things up, but the stories could still have been done.
OMD was done because Quesada believed that the long-term future of Spider-Man would be stronger without him being married. So it wasn't really done for these stories specifically, and I think the writers did the right thing not focusing on stories that didn't need the marriage.
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So as Previsionary said, starting November I think, Amazing switches to twice a month with Dan Slott being the solo writer. The opening artists are Humberto Ramos, Stefano Casselli, and Marcos Martin. Slott said that opening arcs will feature the return of the Hobgoblin, Mac Gargan becoming the scorpion again, and Spider-Man teaming up with or joining the Fantastic Four. Other story points include Peter getting a dream career, and developing new Spider-Man costumes. I'm really looking forward to all of it, especially having Casselli on the book. I loved his work on the Avengers: The Initiative.
It's funny it seems like Ramos follows me around. Any book I get he seems to end up on eventually. I used to hate his art but I've grown to like it.
Quote from: Podmark on July 26, 2010, 05:01:02 PM
OMD was done because Quesada believed that the long-term future of Spider-Man would be stronger without him being married. So it wasn't really done for these stories specifically, and I think the writers did the right thing not focusing on stories that didn't need the marriage.
i'm not usually the fan to moan and complain, but OMD was done simply because joey Q wanted what he thought was the status quo. it was simply a i can do what i want so suck it up to the fan base
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Quote from: Podmark on July 26, 2010, 05:01:02 PM
OMD was done because Quesada believed that the long-term future of Spider-Man would be stronger without him being married. So it wasn't really done for these stories specifically, and I think the writers did the right thing not focusing on stories that didn't need the marriage.
i'm not usually the fan to moan and complain, but OMD was done simply because joey Q wanted what he thought was the status quo. it was simply a i can do what i want so suck it up to the fan base
I'm not really disagreeing with you. I just stated the reasoning he's given.
Quote from: Podmark on July 26, 2010, 05:01:02 PM
So as Previsionary said, starting November I think, Amazing switches to twice a month with Dan Slott being the solo writer. The opening artists are Humberto Ramos, Stefano Casselli, and Marcos Martin. Slott said that opening arcs will feature the return of the Hobgoblin, Mac Gargan becoming the scorpion again, and Spider-Man teaming up with or joining the Fantastic Four. Other story points include Peter getting a dream career, and developing new Spider-Man costumes. I'm really looking forward to all of it, especially having Casselli on the book. I loved his work on the Avengers: The Initiative.
My guess would be that Peter manages to get a job working at Reed Richard's labs (possibly because Reed feels bad that Stark used Peter to his advantage during the whole Civil War mess but Peter never got the chance to work in the lab as he was promised) and finally has access to his own work area and starts experimenting with new takes on his costume and improving his spider gadgets. And I assume that once Fantastic Four finishes up it's current storyline that ends with the Fantastic Three and Reed just asks Pete to join the team on some missions (which makes sense since Spidey adds the same She-Hulk humor element and muscle). I'm looking forward to it honestly because Peter finally starts getting a chance to be the scientist he always wanted to be and we get to see some cool new spider-toys along the way (along with lots of villians getting updated and retooled - I love Scorpion's new look with the heavy armor and pinchers added onto his forearms). But I can already see some skinners on FR start to cringe that a bunch of requests for skins of short lived spidey costumes will be flooding their way.
And to be honest I love the new look of Hobgoblin because while he had mostly the same weapons and glider that Green Goblin did.. it was time that he had his own new unique look that separated him at a glance.
- CQ
I'm not a Spidey reader, but when you put it like that CQ, I think I may start. I still need to read The Gauntlet. Is that out in trade yet?
CQ you could be right on the mark about Reed giving Peter a job with the FF. I could totally see Slott doing something like that. And it'd probably be really cool.
Quote from: murs47 on July 26, 2010, 07:06:40 PM
I'm not a Spidey reader, but when you put it like that CQ, I think I may start. I still need to read The Gauntlet. Is that out in trade yet?
The Gauntlet is a series of arcs.
Spider-Man: The Gauntlet Volume 1 - Electro & Sandman is released in HC and TPB
Spider-Man: The Gauntlet Volume 2 - Rhino & Mysterio Premiere HC is released in HC with TPB coming at the end of September.
Spider-Man: The Gauntlet Volume 3 - Vulture & Morbius Premiere HC
There will be 5 volumes plus Grim Hunt.
I was just reading an interview with Slott on CBR (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27471). Peter will be getting a new girlfriend for Slott's solo run. He says it's an established character. I'm guessing Carlie Cooper, unless they do a swerve and get him back with MJ.
When creators say things like this:
Quote from: http://comics.ign.com/articles/110/1108839p1.htmlIGN Comics: We're told Peter is set for a new job, new girlfriend and so on. What can you tell us about these changes?
Slott: We've seen Peter struggle as a freelancer, we've seen him take on jobs that can't logically fit into his Spider-Man schedule, and now we've seen him unemployed. It's time. Time for him to be an adult, and not just get a job, get a career. With great power comes great responsibility. That can't just hold true for Spider-powers. That also speaks to Peter Parker's potential. If he sidelines all the wonderful things he can be AS Peter, all of the gifts he can share with the world, isn't that being irresponsible?
On the other side of the coin, he hurt and ended one of the biggest relationships of his lifetime. And that's very human. We've all done that. And after a period of time, we pick ourselves up and see what else life has in store for us. That's human too. The interesting thing we're going to see is that as Peter goes on this new journey, he's going to have some help from his ex. Mary Jane is one of the most important people in his world. She's an ex, but she's also one of his best friends, and she's the one person in the supporting cast who knows his secret.
It bothers me a lot. Marvel editorial made, and continues to make, a big fuss about Pete's youth and how certain things aged him too much and made the book difficult to write (and somehow caused a bunch of bad stories). Everything Dan is pushing for now was already in place for him... but MJ was along for the ride. You can't expect me to take any relationship seriously after OMD, so I won't address that, but the "growing up" part... how long before we retcon it again?
Quote from: http://comics.ign.com/articles/110/1108839p2.html
IGN Comics: With the shift to "Big Time" are you looking to thematically or tonally shift Spider-Man?
Wacker: I wanted a very drastic change in the book to make all the hubbub worth it. The web-heads have done a good job re-establishing many aspects of Pete's life that had fallen away over the past few years and now I want to tear it all up again.
Be careful, sir Wacker. Don't go too far or we'll have another OMD issue, and you'll be stuck defending poorly thought out decisions involving fat men, demon birds, and impossible to throw bricks while haranguing fans in your free time.
The one promising thing that I get out of that interview is that it sounds like they're going to re-establish the sci-fi aspect that's always been a part of Spider-Man before they started getting him involved in all of the mystic, supernatural junk in later years.
I really like the idea of Peter Parker, Your Friendly, Neighborhood Scientist.
Heck, I'm intrigued enough to think about picking up an issue or two. I haven't done THAT in years.
The one thing that leaves me mildly skeptical is the idea that Peter could have a job that doesn't interfere with being Spider-Man and vice-versa. The tension of balancing the demands of being Spider-Man and of Peter's private life has been one of those things that we associate with the character.
Ha! They really have no idea what they're doing, do they? Bah.
Let's face it, Spider-Man has always been soap opera for a comic geek audience, in addition to its' more redeeming qualities.
1. There is the constant pressure to keep an aging star relevant.
2. The relationships change constantly.
3. Due to the sheer number of 'episodes', there is a constant churn of plotlines. This invariably results in either a) more of the same, or b) 'jumping the shark' on a regular basis.
Quote from: crimsonquill on July 26, 2010, 06:56:59 PM
My guess would be that Peter manages to get a job working at Reed Richard's labs (possibly because Reed feels bad that Stark used Peter to his advantage during the whole Civil War mess but Peter never got the chance to work in the lab as he was promised) and finally has access to his own work area and starts experimenting with new takes on his costume and improving his spider gadgets. And I assume that once Fantastic Four finishes up it's current storyline that ends with the Fantastic Three and Reed just asks Pete to join the team on some missions (which makes sense since Spidey adds the same She-Hulk humor element and muscle). I'm looking forward to it honestly because Peter finally starts getting a chance to be the scientist he always wanted to be and we get to see some cool new spider-toys along the way (along with lots of villians getting updated and retooled - I love Scorpion's new look with the heavy armor and pinchers added onto his forearms). But I can already see some skinners on FR start to cringe that a bunch of requests for skins of short lived spidey costumes will be flooding their way.
And to be honest I love the new look of Hobgoblin because while he had mostly the same weapons and glider that Green Goblin did.. it was time that he had his own new unique look that separated him at a glance.
- CQ
Er, what? So who has Venom?
Also, I'm kinda "meh" on that new costume.
I pick up the Marvel Adventures line. I highly recommend both titles. Bullseye just about whipped ol' teen-aged Spider-Man last issue.
The new Spidey costume looks like an attempt to reinvent the black costume (a sad attempt, at that).
I agree with BB about there being too many "episodes" and repetition...Marvel is flooding the market with too many Spider-Man books, too many Avengers books and way too many X-Books. We're going to end up seeing a lot of "been there, done that" or "We just saw this in the other Spidey/Avengers/X book" stories, I'm afraid.
I feel Marvel should cut the books back...One(?) Spider-Man book and maybe a Marvel Team-Up series (starring Spidey), Two Avengers books (maybe an additional Solo Avengers book, that features team members that don't have their own solo series) and cut X-Men back to four or five books. I know they won't and it's probably not realisitic, but I just see them heading down a bad road with this.
Dana
Looks like the new outfit is trying turn him into an actual "radioactive" Spider-Man. The green glow just screams radiation to me.
Guess who's becoming an Avenger.
Quote from: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27574Shifting to the Marvel Universe, word broke that Brian Bendis will be bringing the Red Hulk character into the "Avengers" title in the months ahead as a team member. This stood out to me in terms of how you manage this stuff, because the Hulk line over the past few years under Greg Pak and Jeph Loeb has grown into its own thing, kind of aside from some of the other series, but also, if you look in general at Marvel history, the Hulk character and concept has kind of sustained itself as being the thing that doesn't always play well with others. Even though the Avengers at its core is "all the big names in one spot," Hulk's never been much of a team player. With this new character in "Avengers" are we starting to see that pendulum swing back towards the Marvel U a bit?
There tend to be periods where certain books kind of go off and do their own thing, and then eventually kind of braid back into the spine of whatever's going on in the Marvel Universe. Certainly over the last two years or so, Hulk and the various Hulk titles have been off doing their own thing, and it feels in some intangible way that it's time to bring the Hulk back towards the center of the Marvel Universe.
Everything that you're saying in terms of the Hulk is correct and accurate, but the caveat I'd put on it is that we're not dealing with the traditional Hulk in this case. We're dealing with the Red Hulk, who is a different character, who will be motivated by different things and be in a different place by the end of the current "World War Hulks" arc and by the end of the following arc Jeff Parker is writing on "Hulk." Hopefully, he'll be an interesting addition to the Avengers that'll be just as volatile, but in different ways than the Bruce Banner Hulk was, and who will create interesting friction and an interesting dynamic amongst all the characters in that book. On top of everything else, for all that people have sworn up and down about him or disparaged him, this is a character that's gotten a ton of attention and gotten a lot of people emotionally invested – even if that emotion is pure, unbridled hate. [Laughs] We’d like to harness that emotion. Any character that's gotten that kind of a reaction is intrinsically valuable to us, and as you say, in the Avengers line as a whole, they're pretty much the central trading post of the Marvel Universe. Stuff from all the rest of the Marvel publishing line will congregate and pass through the Avengers books in one way, shape or form. So it feels like time for the Hulk, who's been off for a little while, to come back home and be a little more connected with everything else that's going on.
And the real story here is that Jeph and Brian had a conversation at one of our retreats, off to the side, and Jeph said, "I'm going to be finishing my arc on 'Hulk' and I'm going to leave the Red Hulk here" and Brian said, "That's interesting. I'd like to do stuff with that." So they pitched it back out to the rest of the group, and everyone said, "Sounds neat. Let's do that." That's typically how stories tend to evolve over here. It wasn’t a case of us sitting and going "What are we going to do with Red Hulk now?" It was a natural outgrowth of two guys talking about their plans and finding that there was a natural touch point where a character could segue from one place to another place and have some added value across the boards.
And even though Jeff Parker is taking over the "Hulk" book once Loeb is through, I have to say I'm not going to pick up that book ever again, and I can only hope the "Parker" luck (Ha) works against it, so we can finally be rid of it.
Can someone make Jeph Loeb stop writing? Please?
Quote from: Talavar on July 31, 2010, 03:21:27 PM
Can someone make Jeph Loeb stop writing? Please?
He will be done writing. Red Hulk joining the Avengers was all Bendis. He pitched it, and Loeb agreed... and they pitched it together to everyone else.
What about the Red Brick? I'm sure there are some heads that need klonked in the Avengers.
I love that brick. Best Marvel character in a long time. I also love that Rocket Raccoon and Groot are getting a mini:
Quote from: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/rocket-raccoon-groot-100723.htmlNewsarama contacted Abnett and Lanning (answering collectively as "DnA") and series editor Bill Rosemann via e-mail to gather more information on Rocket Raccoon & Groot, and discover how Hellboy creator Mike Mignola, who drew the original Rocket Raccoon miniseries back in 1985, got on board with providing cover art for issue #1.
Newsarama: This picks up on story threads from Guardians of the Galaxy, but is also intended to be new reader friendly. Why was it important to make this accessible to those who might not be familiar with the characters?
DnA: Always. You can get a great texture and depth to an ongoing story, something that really adds weight and significance to a tale and should never be avoided, but every issue is always someone's first, and that shouldn't ever be forgotten either. This story should satisfy the interests of readers who've been with the cosmic books for a while now, but also give new readers the opportunity to hitch a ride.
Nrama: So is it tough to make a comic accessible when it stars a talking space raccoon and a plant monster?
DnA: Nonsense, not with plain-old regular characters like that.
Quote from: Previsionary on August 01, 2010, 04:58:00 AM
I love that brick. Best Marvel character in a long time. I also love that Rocket Raccoon and Groot are getting a mini:
I saw that too. Very very awesome. I love Groot.
I am Groot!
I thought it was funny when Maximus the Mad was translating Groot. Classic.
Thunderstrike is returning a mini. I hate the 90s.
could someone post pics please of red brick and groot. they sound interesting!
Here's a pic of his Divine Majesty King Groot the 23rd, Monarch of Planet X, custodian of the branch worlds, ruler of all he shades, flora colossus:
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/podmark/groot.jpg)
For more go here:
http://www.comicvine.com/groot/29-24341/images/
Someone else can post The Brick.
Just finished reading this week's Avengers Academy and Thunderbolts. They were doing a crossover, though I'd call it more of a plot intersection as the two stories are separate just telling different parts of the same event. Both were good, though I liked Academy better.
Avengers the Initiative was one of my favorite books and while Academy isn't the same it's been a good follow-up. Right now the book is focused on character development building up the new students. This one focused on Hazmat who is trapped in her suit because of her toxic powers and she's pretty angry about it. The book packs a fair bit of story which is nice and the art is pretty decent.
The new era of Tbolts is interesting, but I'm not completely sold on it though I'm not quite sure why. The art is funky but I like it most of the time. I wish the book focused more on the old Tbolts than the new ones.
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Lots of Chaos War projects have been announced lately with the return of dead heroes (probably temporarily).
There's Jim McCann writing the return of the original Alpha Flight (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27862) (minus Puck for some reason).
Oeming bringing back Ares. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27893)
Van Lente assembling the dead Avengers (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27841) - Vision, Dr. Druid, Swordsman, Yellowjacket, Captain Marvel and Deathcry.
Also there's a new She-Hulks (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27838) book debuting in November written by Harrison Wilcox. This one will star Jen and Lyra.
I'm actually most interested in Deathcry. He claims to have actually picked her for a specific reason. Hmmm...
Is Secret Avengers boring anyone else?
Quote from: AfghanAnt on August 18, 2010, 10:40:11 PM
Is Secret Avengers boring anyone else?
My comic book store is good about having the last 2 or 3 issues available so I have not picked up anything yet after the first one but the first one seemed cool. The team is a little awkward though... why is beast not on the regular avengers and logan on the secret ones?
Also: dead avengers looks really cool, I love stories like that. For example a while back there was Dead Girl (from Xtatix) with a bunch of dead heroes in the afterlife.
I'm only excited that THE Alpha Flight is coming back (McCann said they are totally resurrected, so I guess they are back for good...or most of them, anyway)...Oh and characters form the Micronauts in Incredible Hulks: Enigma Force! Yay!...I can start buying comics again (at least, for a little while).
I wish Guardians of the Galaxy wasn't on "hiatus"... :thumbdown:
Dana
Quote from: lugaru on August 19, 2010, 12:22:17 AM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on August 18, 2010, 10:40:11 PM
Is Secret Avengers boring anyone else?
My comic book store is good about having the last 2 or 3 issues available so I have not picked up anything yet after the first one but the first one seemed cool. The team is a little awkward though... why is beast not on the regular avengers and logan on the secret ones?
Because bendis controls 3 Avengers books (I'm including the Prime mini) and didn't want Beast. He just wanted to write the New Avenger teams... twice w/ guests. Secret Avengers also wouldn't fit Logan because they're not X-force. They're not trying to spill blood and get into extreme action, which is how most writers like Logan.
Secret Avengers is the only Avengers title I read. The rest bored me silly so I dropped them. Brubaker really draws stories out though, which is frustrating.
I like the ones with the kids.
Quote from: marhawkman on August 19, 2010, 06:27:18 PM
I like the ones with the kids.
Yeah I realized today I only like Avengers Academy and Avengers: Children Crusade. The rest of the Avengers titles can pay it.
Pretty much. New characters that are interesting. the only interesting character on the other books are Bucky and strange, but that's because they're in new roles.
Well, I read the new Powerman book. I thought it was pretty good, despite it tying into the Shadowland stuff, which I could've sworn was going to be a SMALLLLLLLL event, not one with 6ish tie-ins. I like that the new Power man is of a mixed descent, and if it interests anyone, he's also bilingual (English/Spanish). It's a step in the right direction for diversifying heroes, and I wasn't annoyed by him at all, despite him taking Luke's name and shtick. As it stands, it's a book I'd recommend to anyone even if you aren't getting caught up with the Daredevil stuff. Luckily, Van Lente keeps this books on the outskirts of all the DD happenings and fills in everything you need to know to enjoy this story. 3.5 out of 5.
Well that's good to hear, I thought the character looked kinda cool.
I would also recommend the new Power Man book. It was surprisingly good.
Generation Hope cover - http://io9.com/5620034/30%252B-comics-that-were-craving-this-fall/gallery/24
This actually makes me hopeful for the title. Olivier Coipel should draw everything.
I do like the cover but the interior artist is Salva Espin, who I'm not familiar with. I'm not planning to pick up Generation Hope, but I'll keep an eye on it. Might change my mind.
I was actually really worried Greg Land was going to be doing the art.
Quote from: Podmark on August 24, 2010, 03:18:20 AM
I do like the cover but the interior artist is Salva Espin, who I'm not familiar with. I'm not planning to pick up Generation Hope, but I'll keep an eye on it. Might change my mind.
I was actually really worried Greg Land was going to be doing the art.
I liked his work on Exiles. It was blah but very likable. I hope Olivier is doing the cover a while ala Cheung Secret Warriors. I actually only bought copies of Secret Warriors for the covers some times.
Jeph Loeb actually wrote a Hulk comic that was written as though it was the modern day and not overpowered by his nostalgia...that and Ross was so STOMPED by Bruce. So loving it....Greg Pak is on the book, the Hulk doesn't speak like a 4 year old and the Worldbreaker/Bruce Hulk has returned. Yay! Now if only they would stop screwing up DD and undo the Mephisto/Spidey nonsense, all would be right (mostly) with the Mavel U. Maybe...
Just read some comics
In Young Allies we learn that
Spoiler
Warhead isn't really the son of Radioactive Man and the characters theorize that the other Bastards of Evil aren't who they claim to be either. The mastermind behind them is revealed to be a kid named Superior who claims to be the son of the Leader.
Been liking this book. I can't say there's anything special about it, but it's enjoyable.
And in Young Avengers: Children's Crusade:
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The kids meet Magneto who wants to help them find Wanda, then have to fight the Avengers who don't trust Magneto and don't want the kids to find Wanda, then Wiccan uses his magic to teleport the kids and Magneto to Transia, and then Magneto Wiccan and Speed use magic to locate Wanda but first they run into Quicksilver (who unlike other characters is in his current costume) and he doesn't trust Magneto and attacks him in the town but his attack ends up impaling Wanda.
And then it's revealed that Wanda is really a Doombot - and the real Wanda is a captive of Doctor Doom.
Good book, great art. Twist at the end surprises and intrigues me.
I've loved Daredevil for years but, really, is anyone else feeling that the Shadowland storyline feels a bit forced or contrived?
Quote from: Spe-Dog on September 02, 2010, 02:58:40 AM
I've loved Daredevil for years but, really, is anyone else feeling that the Shadowland storyline feels a bit forced or contrived?
I've never really read Daredevil and I'm only vaguely following whats going on with Shadowland, but the general premise seems interesting to me. I can easily see why DD fans would be upset considering they've basically made him a villain.
I'm not upset, per se, but (and I hate the use of the word organic) the story doesn't feel like it grew organically; like it was a real growth out of previous storylines. It seems more like something the writer wanted to explore and instead of building up to it, he just shoehorned it into the book.
I'm glad to get a street level event around Matt Murdoch but I would have prefered it under other circumstances. I'm actually cool with Matt taking over the hand and trying to reign them in and there have been some great moments so far so I'm giving it a chance. Still I know this ends with a re-defining of Murdoch and that is sad, he is one of my favorite characters in comics. Hopefully we can keep getting a Matt Murdoch comic even if somebody else is Daredevil... I would love to read a comic of him and his crazy relationships, court battles and occasional street fights.
I cant see myself really reading a Steve Rogers or Bruce Wayne book but Matt is really interesting without the mask.
It appears that Hank Pym will be returning to the Giant-Man identitiy in Avengers Academy #7:
http://i.livescience.com/images/AVENGERSACAD_7_MCKONE_02.jpg
Costume looks a bit like his costume for the upcoming Avengers cartoon so that makes sense. I'm a little disappointed that he's changing IDs again. I kinda liked the Wasp identity and the development Slott did with the character while he was wearing it. Still I love Hank so I'm looking forward to the issue. I wonder what causes Hank to change? Maybe a breakthrough in bringing Jan back?
Also this is going to be a little confusing with the Ant-Man & the Wasp mini, teaming up Eric O'Grady and Hank, running at the same time.
I dont mind... for some reason I was used to Jan being wasp but seing Pym run around in a costume that prominently showed his blond hair always made me think "hey, it is white anglo saxon protestant man!". Still Mighty Avengers really got me back into Hank Pym again so I just hope his character continues to be cool.
white anglo saxon protestant man? WOW! that sounds like me only i'm not protestant and dont size change. :blink:
Is it Hank or someone else taking over the role? If it is Hank, maybe this is just a one off. Wouldn't be uncommon for him to rotate between identities.
Quote from: Spe-Dog on September 02, 2010, 11:40:24 PM
Is it Hank or someone else taking over the role? If it is Hank, maybe this is just a one off. Wouldn't be uncommon for him to rotate between identities.
The press release didn't say so, but the report I read from Fan Expo said that it was "the still-living Giant-Man's resumption of that name", so I'd say it's Hank. It could be a one off, but I'd bet against it.
...Clint was a Giant Man for a while too and he's still sucking air... :doh:
Quote from: Spe-Dog on September 03, 2010, 01:31:46 AM
...Clint was a Giant Man for a while too and he's still sucking air... :doh:
Technically Clint was Goliath not Giant-Man. The only other Giant-Man I know of was Bill Foster, who was also (and died as) Goliath.
Quote from: herodad1 on September 02, 2010, 08:20:50 PM
white anglo saxon protestant man? WOW! that sounds like me only i'm not protestant and dont size change. :blink:
Yeah, WASP is a crappy term, redundant as heck (anglo saxon and white) but I hear it a lot in literary criticism and political discussions when they refer to the (now dying) upper class.
I'm still a little upset about Bill Foster, and while I like the Giant Man persona more than the current one I wish he would drop the 1960s looking antenas. He does not need to go all Ultimate, just streamline a little.
Quote from: Podmark on September 01, 2010, 07:47:18 PM
And in Young Avengers: Children's Crusade:
Spoiler
The kids meet Magneto who wants to help them find Wanda, then have to fight the Avengers who don't trust Magneto and don't want the kids to find Wanda, then Wiccan uses his magic to teleport the kids and Magneto to Transia, and then Magneto Wiccan and Speed use magic to locate Wanda but first they run into Quicksilver (who unlike other characters is in his current costume) and he doesn't trust Magneto and attacks him in the town but his attack ends up impaling Wanda.
And then it's revealed that Wanda is really a Doombot - and the real Wanda is a captive of Doctor Doom.
was i the only one who thought his issue was missing pages, and logans speech was way out of character even for him
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on September 04, 2010, 07:03:15 PM
was i the only one who thought his issue was missing pages, and logans speech was way out of character even for him
I didn't feel like it was missing any pages, but Logan was being pretty brutal. I expect (hope) he was just trying to scare the kids.
Quote from: Podmark on September 04, 2010, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on September 04, 2010, 07:03:15 PM
was i the only one who thought his issue was missing pages, and logans speech was way out of character even for him
I didn't feel like it was missing any pages, but Logan was being pretty brutal. I expect (hope) he was just trying to scare the kids.
yeah but even after they were gone he was talking about gutting her. i know logans a hardass but that just seemed out of character.
as much as i'm enjoying the book the editorial staff should have had a closer look between character development and costumes
It's Magneto and the Scarlet Witch he was talking about though. Magneto ripped the adamantium from his bones (against other things) and Scarlet Witch basically Hitler'd the mutant race. I thought his attitude was about right for someone who has no problem killing for lesser reasons.
I DID think Iron Man was out of character though.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on September 05, 2010, 02:29:01 PM
I DID think Iron Man was out of character though.
Did Iron Man even say anything? Honestly I don't remember.
I'm with AA to some extent, it isn't unreasonable for Wolverine to say they should kill the Scarlet Witch. She's potentially too dangerous and Wolverine's always been the first to go with the permanent solution. Still I don't think Wolverine would just run in and gut her before knowing what her current state is. He's being more brutal than I'd want, but I don't think it's too out of character.
As for him being out of character I was referring to him threatening to kill the kids. I remember him saying something like that.
Yeah, wolvie kind of can be played both ways... he is the guy who will pull the trigger the day a hero needs to be taken out (and has done so in the past) but also he is the one that often gets melted to the bown to save a hero.
I need to pick up childrens crusade... mini series often pass me by but I LOVE the young avengers, they really need an ongoing.
Quote from: Podmark on September 02, 2010, 06:57:33 PM
It appears that Hank Pym will be returning to the Giant-Man identitiy in Avengers Academy #7:
http://i.livescience.com/images/AVENGERSACAD_7_MCKONE_02.jpg
Costume looks a bit like his costume for the upcoming Avengers cartoon so that makes sense. I'm a little disappointed that he's changing IDs again. I kinda liked the Wasp identity and the development Slott did with the character while he was wearing it. Still I love Hank so I'm looking forward to the issue. I wonder what causes Hank to change? Maybe a breakthrough in bringing Jan back?
Also this is going to be a little confusing with the Ant-Man & the Wasp mini, teaming up Eric O'Grady and Hank, running at the same time.
And the whole "I can't grow anymore because it would kill me" thing gets swept under the rug? Or will they actually bother to explain it?
Quote from: BlueBard on September 07, 2010, 02:51:08 PM
And the whole "I can't grow anymore because it would kill me" thing gets swept under the rug? Or will they actually bother to explain it?
That was written out at least over a decade ago, though I'm not sure when or by who. Hank has freely grown during Busiek, Johns, Austen, Bendis, and Slott's runs. He shrinks and grows as the Wasp.
Quote from: Podmark on September 07, 2010, 05:28:52 PM
Quote from: BlueBard on September 07, 2010, 02:51:08 PM
And the whole "I can't grow anymore because it would kill me" thing gets swept under the rug? Or will they actually bother to explain it?
That was written out at least over a decade ago, though I'm not sure when or by who. Hank has freely grown during Busiek, Johns, Austen, Bendis, and Slott's runs. He shrinks and grows as the Wasp.
It was during Bob Harras' run, in the '90s. Hank resumed his Giant Man identity, can't remember how... I have the "Avengers 40 year collection" dvd, which has every issue from 1963 through 2005, including annuals (unfortunately, it doesn't include Giant Size or West Coast), so I could look it up if anyone's really interested...
So Taskmaster was a favorite of mine already... his powers are cool and I like the concept behind him. Then he taught in The Initiative and I got even more into the character, since I got to read about him regularly.
Now he has his own Mini, and Taskmaster #1 did not dissapoint. It does not hurt that they got Fred VanLente to write the book, and he rarely does wrong by me. Also it explores the mechanics behind his ability to memorize martial arts moves, and has a dozen lame supervillain henchmen groups thrown in for good measure.
So after taking a few issues off during OMIT I'm back to reading Spidey again, yay! New issue isn't too special but premise of Doc Ock getting numerous Spidey villains to capture Lily and Norman's baby has some potential.
X-Force Sex and Violence finished up this week. I really enjoyed the mini. It had nice art and it was a fun little story. I didn't expect to like it this much but it was a nice going away present from Yost and Kyle. I'm going to miss those guys.
Best part:
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Wolverine and Domino are at the mercy of the Assassins Guild when the Hand shows up, but they're not really the Hand - they're X-Force. Much violence and victory ensues.
Also the Thanos Imperative continues to be a solid read.
Next week the X-23 ongoing starts up. I'm really thinking of picking it up. I wasn't huge on the character when she first came to comics but she's grown on me. I'd like to see what comes next.
so two marvel comics that you ever love or hate
curse of the mutants
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ok i seem to be the only guy on here enjoying this at some level. i will admit the plot is weak and the characterisation is way off on some people, but what can i say my immature love of vampires and the x-men seem to keep bringing me back. i think it may go back to my comic beginning on of my first comics i ever seen but never read was what if wolverine became the vampire king, maybe that has something to do with it or maybe i'm just a rubber neck at a car crash
OMIT
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can someone find joey q cause that git just kicked me in the jimmies
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on September 10, 2010, 06:33:01 PM
so two marvel comics that you ever love or hate
curse of the mutants
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ok i seem to be the only guy on here enjoying this at some level. i will admit the plot is weak and the characterisation is way off on some people, but what can i say my immature love of vampires and the x-men seem to keep bringing me back. i think it may go back to my comic beginning on of my first comics i ever seen but never read was what if wolverine became the vampire king, maybe that has something to do with it or maybe i'm just a rubber neck at a car crash
OMIT
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can someone find joey q cause that git just kicked me in the jimmies
I too remember the What If...? special with Wolvie as king of the vampires and really hope that some of that is factored in. Either his healing factor should change him back or he should just try and take over and then maybe they will realize bringing him across was a HUGE mistake. Either way, I have a hard time thinking that Logan will just capitulate and be evil just out of nowhere. Now as for OMIT...
Don't you hate going into something and feeling like an idiot for doing it, but you do anyway just out of blind hope? Then feeling like an even bigger idiot because you're proven to be an idiot even though you knew it was going to happen anyway? That is my feeling after buying these issues of Amazing Spider-Man. I broke my vow and purchased the OMIT issues of Amazing; my first issue of any Spider-Man title since OMD. Once that went down, I swore off collecting Spidey, a character I had been collecting for around 25 years...yes, they are fictional characters but that is how offended I was and it bugs me monthly to see his title on the shelf and not pick it up. So, yeah, I have a definite opinion. When they cancel a character you enjoy, at least that is it; it is over. With Spider-Man, it's like Joe Q. cancelled Spider-Man and yet kept publishing it anyway as a tease. It is melodramatic, yes, but it is a wound that will not heal because it is in your face EVERY week when you go get new books. There used to be a choice for everyone. If you liked married Spidey, you have 616 universe; if you wanted single Spidey you had the ultimate universe; and if you wanted MJ's and Peter's child to be a part of their lives you had Spider-Girl...then Joe started his anti marriage crusade. He unmarried Peter, and then said that if you loved married Peter to keep reading Spider-Girl...even though he was no longer active as Spider-Man which was of no help, but at least there was still some choice. Then that book got cancelled, and now you have no choices. You buy his Spider-Man (and this one only) and his opinion of what makes the character great or you can read Wikipedia, borrow issues from friends to keep up, or just read reprints of Stan Lee's ongoing newspaper comic which still has the character married; again you know where I fall. I've taken my love of Spider-Man underground for several years now and hoped that with the end of BND and OMIT maybe at the least Peter and MJ would be in a relationship again...maybe not undoing the Mephisto mess but at least have them as a couple again. The first issues of the storyline seemed to be pointing that way and then...Joe Q shows you how weak of a person he thinks MJ is again. Right after OMD, I read a lot of articles and responses from Quesada about how it was MJ who made the deal with the devil, and not Peter. She threw away her marriage for May. I understand what she means to Peter, but it would have been a Brand New Day without May instead of what could actually be called "The Same Old Day" since most of this seems like a re-tread of stories that have already been written and from what I have read of them, none of them had to have a single Spidey in them to be told...that was just Joe's "justification" to throw a monkey wrench into the mythos, but I'm getting off point. In this new storyline, he has MJ give up their relationship again and just pretty much whine and cry the WHOLE time about what a trial it is to be with Peter. GEEZ! So, let me get this straight: she gives up on the marriage but says that she and Peter will be together again because their love is so super duper strong and then at the ultimate moment when they can come back together again she walks away again!? I think my head exploded when I read that. (Yes, think Scanners and you get the idea) In addition, there is still the matter of Peter's powers from 'The Other' storyline which has STILL NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. Quesada has said that the even did happen and that Peter did still have those powers, but if that is the case why are we going back to the web shooters and Peter running out of fluid every 15 minutes? Did we just conveniently forget this or what? Oh that's right, "It's magic, we don't have to explain it." I'm done. I'm sick and I am done with Spider-Man all together until a change in editorial at least. Quesada has done some things right for Marvel and really helped them creatively as a whole, but I cannot say that I am okay with some of these changes and as a long time fan it makes me almost physically ill to stop hoping now (up until now I at least had that) and realize that anything that even resembles throwing some fans a bone is nothing but a thinly veiled method of raising the company's revenue stream. I have to go throw up now.
Quote from: Spe-Dog on September 12, 2010, 02:21:58 PM
Don't you hate going into something and feeling like an idiot for doing it, but you do anyway just out of blind hope? Then feeling like an even bigger idiot because you're proven to be an idiot even though you knew it was going to happen anyway?
Yeah that's why I skipped the OMIT issues.
I haven't seen the sales for the OMIT issues but I really hope they're not too much higher than stuff like Grim Hunt. Everyone seems to hate OMD so why would you pick up an arc that's only purpose is to explain the changes between it and BND. Did people actually think it might make OMD better somehow? That's probably not possible. Or is it the train wreck effect where everyone wants to pick it up to see how worse it can get?
I read the interviews and previews and I never got any impression that this would be anything more than checking off a list of 'how'd this happen'. I've read every issue of BND and I enjoy the run but I didn't see any reason to pick OMIT.
I wasn't sure that it was going to make OMD or BND any better, but I had some hope. That hope culminated in the kiss that MJ laid on Pete...and then crashed to the ground and was stomped upon personally by Joey Q in the very next panel. Sadly, it even fell short on the explaining how it all happened as the issue didn't give any insight into Peter's missing powers. I understand that everyone has an opinion and I will not say that it is wrong one way or the other but nothing done since OMD has added anything meaningful to the mythos and could have been done with them married as well. Change for changes sake never makes sense. With that, I climb off the soapbox.
I did also read the new iteration of the Phantom from Dynamite. Pick it up. It was really amazing and really a bit of a fresh take on the character. I've always dug the Phantom and this was an excellent restart. Give it a shot!
Quote from: Spe-Dog on September 13, 2010, 01:12:26 AMand could have been done with them married as well.
Totally agree, nothing in BND needed an unmarried Spidey. While I like BND I'm with everyone else that OMD was stupid.
Quote from: Spe-Dog on September 13, 2010, 01:12:26 AM
I did also read the new iteration of the Phantom from Dynamite. Pick it up. It was really amazing and really a bit of a fresh take on the character. I've always dug the Phantom and this was an excellent restart. Give it a shot!
Wha-What-What? This is the Marvel Thread! Take your take of other companies comics to the appropriate thread or face Stan Lee's wrath! :P
True enough, but everyone always needs a palate cleanser. :D I was overcome with excitement for just a moment...composure regained, pulse slowing...non-Marvel speak shall cease now. :doh:
I like Curse of the mutants. The premise is fun!
Haven't paid much attention to spidey since BND started....
Wow, haven't posted in this thread in a while... wonder why?
Anyway, could it be? The Return of Heroes for Hire (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28312) featuring Falcon and Elektra (as revealed so far) and drawn by Harvey Tolibao? I may consider this book... as long as it doesn't feature a cover full of busty women and tentacles.
Quote from: Previsionary on September 17, 2010, 04:30:42 PM
I may consider this book... as long as it doesn't feature a cover full of busty women and tentacles.
Sounds like Japanese cartoons.
Wait Elektra is going to a hero for hire? Blah...
BTW a Black Panther and Falcon title would be infinitely more entertaining as long as they were both written as angry black men trying to change society one bigot at a time.
Won't happen. T'challa is now Daredevil... or so I'm hearing. Meh. ALSO, Banshee and Thunderbird return: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28366
Quote from: Previsionary on September 18, 2010, 02:38:51 AM
ALSO, Banshee and Thunderbird return: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28366
No need to panic Prev.. It's part of the Chaos King storyline which runs into the next year I believe (hence the previews of Dead Avengers, Dead Alpha Flight, and other titles as such). Lots of dead heroes will be restored to life in this "big crossover event" but rumors are that the majority of them will remain dead afterwards. It's not like the writers planned on having a big event with the technorganic virus raising mutant villains and heroes then just a few months later decide to resurrect everyone else including mutants because Marvel decided to have a much bigger event with Gods that kinda makes the previous story kinda redundant. Vampires, zombies, and "walking dead" kinda seem to be the obvious default supernatural storylines these days isn't it?
- CQ
I actually am kinda interested in Chaos War, particularly the X-Men one (and Dead Avengers is on my radar; not an instant buy yet, but I'll definitely keep an eye on it and we'll see if my standing on it changes come interview and preview time).
I find myself low on books right now, so I'm looking a bit into trying other books. There's a really good chance I'll pick up Hickman and Pacheco's Ultimate Thor mini. I've heard plenty of high praise for Hickman and I'm kinda curious to read something by him to see what I thought, and I think Pacheco's current work is awesome.
Quote from: Previsionary on September 18, 2010, 02:38:51 AM
Won't happen. T'challa is now Daredevil... or so I'm hearing. Meh.
It appears so
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ComicBookNews/news/?a=22634
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To be more precise he`ll just have the "man without fear" title, since apparently Daredevil won`t be around after Shadowland is over.
Quote from: Previsionary on September 17, 2010, 04:30:42 PM
Wow, haven't posted in this thread in a while... wonder why?
Anyway, could it be? The Return of Heroes for Hire (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28312) featuring Falcon and Elektra (as revealed so far) and drawn by Harvey Tolibao? I may consider this book... as long as it doesn't feature a cover full of busty women and tentacles.
LOL! Bustacles...Anyway...I have to take issue with a team of heroes accepting an assassin into their ranks (considering Elektra's teaser has her walking away from the dead body of her victim)...Seems a bit at odds with what they should be standing for. What exactly is this "Age of Heroes" thing really about, if the "heroes" aren't more heroic than they have been?
Dana
Quote from: AfghanAnt on September 17, 2010, 05:22:15 PM
Wait Elektra is going to a hero for hire? Blah...
BTW a Black Panther and Falcon title would be infinitely more entertaining as long as they were both written as angry black men trying to change society one bigot at a time.
I dunno...I always liked the "Falcon as a social worker, trying to do good in the streets" angle...Do we really need more angry black men, perpetuating the stereotype? Wait...Are you being sarcastic, AA?
Dana
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on September 19, 2010, 08:04:37 PM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on September 17, 2010, 05:22:15 PM
Wait Elektra is going to a hero for hire? Blah...
BTW a Black Panther and Falcon title would be infinitely more entertaining as long as they were both written as angry black men trying to change society one bigot at a time.
I dunno...I always liked the "Falcon as a social worker, trying to do good in the streets" angle...Do we really need more angry black men, perpetuating the stereotype? Wait...Are you being sarcastic, AA?
Dana
Yes, that was my attempt at humor but I do think a buddy comic starring the two would be interesting.
Just saw on newsarama that the new Heroes for Hire series will be written by Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning with Brad Walker on art. Normally I wouldn't have any interest in a Heroes for Hire series but DnA writing piques my interest.
But more interesting/worrying to me is that they DnA and Walker were the team on Guardians of the Galaxy. With DnA also writing the Thor/Iron Man and Groot/Rocket Raccoon minis I'm getting worried they won't be writing whatever cosmic book(s) follow the Thanos Imperative.
Deadpool romancing Siryn (http://reillybrown.deviantart.com/#/d2z8t0o) courtesy of previous Deadpool artist and co-writer, Reilly Brown.
Quote from: murs47 on September 22, 2010, 07:52:24 PM
Deadpool romancing Siryn (http://reillybrown.deviantart.com/#/d2z8t0o) courtesy of previous Deadpool artist and co-writer, Reilly Brown.
I think she would have preferred the diamond ring.
I'm ok with DD being replaced with Black Panther for the interim but what does that do with his marriage to Storm...they are still married, yes? The Incredible Hulks storyline is getting interesting again, but I'm getting a bit tired of splitting the book with only a few pages of Bruce and company and then Hiro-Kala. Both are interesting but I think both suffer from the small amount of space given here. The X-men/Dracula storyline is kind of interesting and amusing but I am just not buying into Wolverine just being a rank and file vampire though...still want to see where that goes. The new team on Thor looks good and I'm looking forward to where this goes, but the vibe between Blake and Thor seems...odd or off; does anyone else see how the dynamic has changed so drastically with no explanation since Siege?
Not sure about Thor, but I can write it off as "stuff changed".
The new Thor storyline reminds me way too much of Thor/Asgard being attacked by Darkseid and the evil New Gods from DC. And I agree, the Blake/Thor talk was way off.
I wasn't sure if I was going to pick it up but Uncanny X-Force #1 was pretty good. Decent characterization and really nice artwork. I'll get the next issue. Fantomex really stole the show for me.
I have nothing to review (it's been awhile, hasn't it), but I must say that I'm dreading the Angel/Psylocke retread. That's not a relationship I want to see again. I may have longer thoughts to present sometime later. Maybe.
Quote from: Previsionary on October 07, 2010, 02:46:10 AM
but I must say that I'm dreading the Angel/Psylocke retread.
They're already back together when the story starts. I've actually never read any issues with them together before, but I wasn't looking forward to it either.
Anyone have a picture of what Apocalypse looks like from Uncanny X-Force?
Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on October 07, 2010, 03:28:38 AM
Anyone have a picture of what Apocalypse looks like from Uncanny X-Force?
I don't have a picture handy, but presumably he's just a little boy...for now.
Lil Poccy was annoyingly cute.
Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on October 07, 2010, 03:28:38 AM
Anyone have a picture of what Apocalypse looks like from Uncanny X-Force?
And now a pic. (http://www.comicvine.com/apocalypse/29-7612/all-images/108-210116/picture_4/105-1440157/)
Reminds me of Little Tom Marvolo Riddle.
Urgh...I just read Thor and I am lost for words. Blake's and Thor's dialog was just awful and shows Fraction doesn't understand either character. Also why does everything look so modern now? It is so jarring when compared to JMS and Gillen's runs. The title's charm and myth feels lost.
In a word, it feels "alien".
Quote from: AfghanAnt on October 08, 2010, 03:43:55 AM
Blake's and Thor's dialog was just awful and shows Fraction doesn't understand either character. Also why does everything look so modern now? It is so jarring when compared to JMS and Gillen's runs. The title's charm and myth feels lost.
That whole conversation between Thor and Blake seemed like something out of DC's Firestorm comic.. I hardly ever imagined Thor having a conversation with Blake in that manner much less then one telling the other about the proper ways of handling personal matters of girl relationships. You would wonder how the other Avengers would react to hearing Thor talking to himself and saying "would you shut up" to nobody while his communicator was open while flying long distance on a mission because this seemed hardly abnormal to Thor at all just annoying.
- CQ
Quote from: Podmark on October 08, 2010, 12:45:56 AM
Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on October 07, 2010, 03:28:38 AM
Anyone have a picture of what Apocalypse looks like from Uncanny X-Force?
And now a pic. (http://www.comicvine.com/apocalypse/29-7612/all-images/108-210116/picture_4/105-1440157/)
I just got flashbacks of The Omen. Also why no face lines or anything cool. MEh, lol
My response to Apocalypse The brat...Ugh! Seriously? Makes me happy I barely read Marvel, anymore.
Dana
Ok, I know a lot of us don't care about it anymore, but it seems that Marvel is trying to draw more attention to the Ultimate Universe by sending their top tier talent over there to do their takes on some characters. First up is Ultimate Comic Thor by J. Hickman, which is not a bad read and sets up some interesting scenarios for Thor, Loki, Baron Zemo, Donald Blake, and the Braddocks. I recommend the book to anyone that liked the original Ultimates flavor. Secondly, Jason Aaron is doing an Ultimate Captain America book and I'll post the deets:
Quote from: NYCC liveblogFyreball13:
Jason Aaron in the ultimate universe? That'd be aweosme.... right? Ultimate Cap is coming! and the crowd goes wild!
UltimateKidNova:
Ron Garney, Jason's Wolverine: Weapon X cohort will be the artist
UltimateKidNova:
Crowd likes this quite a bit!
Fyreball13:
Ron Garney doing the art, and it's coming in 2011 and Aaron says that Cap's life is "going to suck pretty hard"
Fyreball13:
While Cap was in ice, they made a new Cap, rather than being forged in WW2, he was forged in Vietnam, a very different experience. THat Cap disappeared and he feels like Cap got off easy by not being in Vietnam, so he's going to teach Steve what he needs to know!
Fyreball13:
Two different Caps, two different ideologies, one amazing book!
UltimateKidNova:
That second Cap will be a character we know from the Marvel Universe, but who is new to the Ultimate Universe
In cosmic news, DnA have said that the cosmic universe will not be done after the Thanos event. The aftermath will be explored and it will be called "Devestation." We get another new status quo along with it.
Jason Aaron can do no wrong. So I'm pumped for Ultimate Captain America!
Also, Marvel really hates its X-Fans. Check out this horrific news (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/astonishing-x-men-daniel-way-101008.html). Fail.
That link is a dirty lie, and I cannot believe that someone who claims to be my friend would link us to such a monstrosity. I'll never forgive you.
sounds amusing. :)
Young Allies is getting cancelled with issue 6 :(
got a link, Pod? Why is it being canceled? If Jeff Parker was writing this, I could see why, but the team JUST formed, and they haven't had time to actually form an audience yet.
A link. (http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/10/14/young-allies-ending-with-issue-6/)
It was pretty much stealth cancelled, and there was an issue 7 solicited which is now dead.
I liked the book. It wasn't amazing or anything but I enjoyed it. It was a tough sell no doubt.
The book being uber bland with no real unique value to it didn't help. I saw that Sean McKeever said that issue 7 was only partially plotted and not written, so there's no real loss on that end. Since Arana/Spider girl will have an ongoing, and Nomad keeps a backup in Captain America, I'm not too worried about them. I feel bad for Gravity though, as he's generally an interesting character who was shoved into the background after his eponymous mini series concluded until he appeared in "Beyond" and "died." And when he came back, he barely got any type of role even though he appeared more frequently. Marvel is now claiming the book is on hiatus, and I know the Young Allies (YA... even though I keep wanting to call them Young Justice) will be doing a triple crossover over soon, and there's an Onslaught storyline coming up, so that book just might be coming back... or relaunched... or whatever.
In other news, Zeb Wells is leaving New Mutants. I want to say that saddens me, but I could care less given how that book has been treated since it premiered. I only really liked the first arc and nothing since.
Quote from: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28897Hello all,
Before I assume the X-POSITION, I'd like to give everyone the heads up that my last issue writing the "New Mutants" will be issue #21. I've got a lot of stuff coming down the pike in the coming months and after much discussion with X-Editor Nick Lowe and the rest of the Marvel gang we realized that issue #21 would be a great end-point to the journey we started in "New Mutants" #1.
We have a lot of story momentum coming out of "Fall of the New Mutants" that leads perfectly into the two-issue climax of our 20+ issue mega-arc. Things are going to get absolutely insane, and I can't wait for people to read how this thing wraps up.
Before the door hits my [butt], I'd like to thank Nick Lowe for being a great collaborator on this run and bringing on great artists like Diogenes Neves, Zachary Baldus, Ibraim Roberson, Paul Davidson and the ever-inspiring Leonard Kirk, who all deserve my gratitude for their visions of these characters. I also want to give props to letterer Joe Caramagna, who continues to be one of my favorite collaborators in comics. And I'd be a cad not to mention the wizards at Guru Efx, who are killing it on the current arc.
I'm happy to read the cosmic stuff will contiue. I love the whole Cthulhu-verse thing they have going right now. Pretty creepy stuff.
Quote from: Podmark on October 15, 2010, 04:30:56 AM
Young Allies is getting cancelled with issue 6 :(
YES!
I had to chime in regarding the previous comments on Thor. I was a bit behind on my reading and just finished up the last two issues. I completely agree with everything said here. Seeing that Matt Fraction has written on the Ages of Thunder extended mini-series, it's a bit confusing that it looks like he's never read a Thor comic in his life. Thor has always had a touch of arrogance in his character, which is understandable, being that he's a god and all. Now, quite frankly, he's just acting like a douchebag to everyone.
With even greater differences of opinion, Thor and Don Blake have never communicated like that before. For both of them to say, "I hate you" to each other over a disagreement on relationship advice is just assinine. I've been collecting Thor for just about 30 years and don't recall him ever saying the words "shut up" and in this one issue he says it three times. One of those times, he says it to Balder, of all people.
Lastly, bringing back Loki. Really? "I miss my brother." Come on. Thor remembers their childhood together with fond memories. Obviously, Fraction has never read the old Tales of Asgard. Loki wasn't exactly all goodness and light as a child, either. He was nothing but a pain in the rump from the day he was brought to Asgard. Even if Thor does remember their childhood with happiness, what about the past thousand years or so? Destroying Thor and Asgard has been Loki's only purpose. Besides the countless times Loki tried to kill Thor, the god of thunder has actually killed Loki before. In the end, Loki did sacrifice himself to defend Asgard (although, he had a hand in it's fall to begin with). For all the damage he did to Asgard over the course of numerous centuries, I don't believe that Thor, as an honorable warrior, would disregard Loki's sacrifice by bringing him back. It was the only noble thing he did in his entire existence and I would think if that Thor had any affection for his brother, then he would leave Loki to be remembered by his last act, rather than bring him back to sully that and create more mayhem.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on October 15, 2010, 06:26:45 PMQuote from: Podmark on October 15, 2010, 04:30:56 AMYoung Allies is getting cancelled with issue 6 :(
YES!
NO!@Hoss: I think Thor felt that his "brother" had earned a chance to redeem himself.
i'd bring odin back before i'd even think of loki. nah...bring back bill. just read last issue also. what killed me was hemidall screaming like a wimp and curling up into a ball. come on! these are rough-n-tough viking immortals. dying in battle is an honorable thing! *sigh* :(
I read Carnage today. I like it. Clayton Crain was actually trying and the plot is intriguing.
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It's totally a sequel to Maximum Carnage as Spider-Man's Doppelganger and Shriek reappear. Some shady organization has the Carnage symbiote and have brought Shriek to it. Will Shriek be the new Carnage?
I've also been trying the new X-23 ongoing. It's been meh so far.
Whatever happened to Toxin anyway?
I'm really digging Incredible Hulk again now that Pak is back on the title and we have a return of the Hulk/Banner psuedo melding or at least goal alignment at present. I'm jazzed for this but really want the split book to stop and just go for a full book story instead of half story and half filler.
I'm really hoping that Iron Man starts to show up in his own book more. It reminds me of the Bruce Jones Hulk, whereas the author was really trying to give it a punch when Hulk showed up and the majority of the time we had Banner. I know that this not too long after the heavy action story line of Stark: Disassembled, but he is building himself back up and a bit more action in armor and less industrial espionage might be in order.
Daredevil is just a freaking mess...I'm not angry, as I was during the OMIT and OMD storylines in Amazing Spider-Man, but just flat out disappointed. There aren't words to really describe the letdown. I'm hoping that there will be something redeeming in the finale, but if Marvel has shown me anything of late, it is that hope is only an X-Man and not something you can hold onto in their universe.
So... X-men vs. Vampires.
I'm liking it so far. Vampires have been cliche and over used for 100 years, so I don't see any reason to count that against the story.
The new Queen of the Undead is certainly entertaining to watch. And Wolvie as a vampire. :) Can you say "YESSS!!!!!"?
Quote from: marhawkman on October 26, 2010, 05:32:58 PM
So... X-men vs. Vampires.
And Wolvie as a vampire. :)
:banghead:
The Origin of The Species arc wrapped yesterday in Amazing Spider-Man.
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It is revealed that the father of Menace's baby is not Norman but Harry. Not really a surprise but possibly a good development. Lily never finds out and runs off thinking she'll be a danger to her child, so now we'll presumably see Harry as a single father. I wonder how Normie will react to his younger brother?
Worked out to be a pretty decent arc that touched on almost every past aspect of Brand New Day. Next week is the final issue which is supposed to feature all of the writers of BND, then the week after Dan Slott's run begins.
The one issue I had with this arc is that it pitted Spider-Man against almost all of his rogues. Spidey didn't come off as worn down by the end so it really made the villains seem much weaker than the would be in an individual story. But that's what tends to happen in stories like this. I did like that they touched on so many villains as it made the arc a better finale for BND, I just wish more of them could have been portrayed more dangerously.
Quote from: marhawkman on October 26, 2010, 05:32:58 PM
So... X-men vs. Vampires.
I'm liking it so far. Vampires have been cliche and over used for 100 years, so I don't see any reason to count that against the story.
The new Queen of the Undead is certainly entertaining to watch. And Wolvie as a vampire. :) Can you say "YESSS!!!!!"?
Hmmm... they don't have an "upchuck" icon.
'Sides, X-Men vs. vampires has been done. Dracula survived.
Yep...Been there, read that...Especially in the What If series (What If Wolverine Was Lord of The Vampires)
http://www.comicvine.com/what-if-what-if-wolverine-was-lord-of-the-vampires/37-34113/
It's old hat.
Dana
ah, well, did they do a "What if Jubilee was Queen of the Vampires?" :D
I like it because Wolvie kinda bores me.
Before Dan Slott's solo run on Spider-man can even properly begin, guess what Marvel decides to promote: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29333
I'd love it if the big two would actually let a storyline to play out just a little before promoting the next "big" thing.
Quote from: Previsionary on November 10, 2010, 05:03:12 PM
Before Dan Slott's solo run on Spider-man can even properly begin, guess what Marvel decides to promote: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29333
I'd love it if the big two would actually let a storyline to play out just a little before promoting the next "big" thing.
Bleh. I nearly don't even care. In this case, it would be an act of mercy.
Quote from: Previsionary on November 10, 2010, 05:03:12 PM
Before Dan Slott's solo run on Spider-man can even properly begin, guess what Marvel decides to promote: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29333
I'd love it if the big two would actually let a storyline to play out just a little before promoting the next "big" thing.
Interesting...
Read some of my comics today.
Slott solo Spidey run started pretty good. But the new job is pretty silly.
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Peter was basically handed a spot on an exclusive super think tank that sets it's own hours. There wasn't even an interview, the job was just his basically.
And Hobgoblin is:
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Kingsley.
Also interesting to me:
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Phil Ulrich (Green Goblin, Loners, Spider-Girl) was reintroduced. I foresee evil in his future. Perhaps even Venom.
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However bigger news comes from the Thanos Imperative:
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Nova and Starlord died at the end :( :( :(
It seems this may truly be the end of the DnA cosmic era. I really didn't believe it would be true.
Also I have no idea how Secret Avengers fits into continuity.
So this big "Death of Spider-man" thing Marvel is promoting is actually referring to Ultimate Spider-man. Did they finally realize Jeph Loeb ruined the Ultimate line and are closing shop on it? Only time will tell.
Avengers #7 (2)
At AA's negative urgings, I cracked open this book. I immediately realized that I hadn't read this series in ages, but I was assured I didn't need to know what happened in issues 1-6. This information was correct. Upon seeing The Hood, I immediately groaned. It's no secret that Bendis is in love with this... character he's twisted and shaped, but enough is enough, and Bendis must learn to let his pet characters lie! What started out as a mild annoyance transformed into full on head scratching as I witnessed scene after scene of implausibilities that dared me to remove even more of my sensibilities than I normally would. I'm sorry, I can only suspend so much of my disbelief, and this book pushed me to a point that threatened to make me believe the Earth was flat. Anyway, Marvel promoted this issue specifically as a Red Hulk biggie, and that was not the case at all. The character was in 2 pages at best, and he got to experience what many of his past victims did. I suppose it's karma, but it did nothing for me because The Hood is to Bendis what Red Hulk was to Loeb... and that's all I will say about that.
Avengers #7 gets a 2 from me. It's clear to me that Bendis has no real idea how to go about reaching a "classic" feel and is just resorting to his old tropes. At least there was no Hawkeye scene this time around (New Avengers reference). Regardless, i feel I'm being generous considering Bendis messed up his own continuity and even the supposed editor (Hi, Brevoort) failed to correct something that could have been easily caught if, I dunno, they'd go over their past books.
Ono! Did you all die?
Well, I caught up on a few books this week, after being behind 4-5 months. I'm going to briefly talk about each one. There may be spoilers, and this is your warning.
Chaos War #1-3 & Chaos War: Thor
As much as I love Greg Pak and Fred Van Lente's work on Hercules, I really can't endorse this event. The first issue was as corny as it could be, and Hercules ascending into god hood was mostly played for laughs. Having a bunch of heroes doubt and pinpoint reasons why they should never believe in anything Herc has to say as if he's a giant screw up all the time is a little too much for me, considering they've all seen how dedicated he can be when faced with trouble, and they all know of his path for redemption. It just didn't ring true and seemed to be more for humor. To me, it came off as a time waster and filler. The Chaos King himself hasn't done much of interest and comes off as a generic villain. Everything about the series is just mediocre, and thanks to Marvel's hype machine, I expected more. Heck, because of the creators involved, I expected more. They're not living up, and I've been mostly disappointed. However, if you're a fan of fallen characters like Ares and Zeus, you get to see them back in action at the end of issue #1 and throughout the majority of issue #2.
The Thor tie-in was a bit... of a major miss to me. Not only can I not pinpoint when this book takes place, but it's more about a woman getting over losing her family than it is about Thor, who has been beaten by a creature named Glory and has left an amnestic Donald Blake in his place. That would be fine if, oh, I dunno, three issues of Chaos War didn't go out of its way to tell us that everyone who didn't have some sort of connection to a god was left in a coma due to the Chao's King's powers. That's just messy, but we'll see what issue 2 does to tie this up.
Overall, the event is mediocre, but at least it doesn't have a lot of unnecessary tie ins like the last few X-men and Avenger events have. As it stands, it ranks a disappointing 3.
Black Widow #6 & 7
Once Marjorie left this book, I was worried that it'd begin to descend. This, however, has not been the case for the most part, and the latest issues, despite historical fallacies and some off art, have kept up some of the steam the Majorie issues provided. Centered on Natasha putting her life on the line for a man that thought she killed his father, the whole tale focuses on Natasha trying to figure out who the man's sources are while she attempts to protect him from another spy that has used her visage to pull off murders. It's a little bit of Cat & Mouse + a case of stolen identity, but it works, imo. Unfortunately, Duane S-long name decides to habitually rely on some of the most cliche and boring cliffhangers known to fans of literature, the spy genre, and comics in general. 3.
Daken #3
Still trying to figure out how this landed in my pile, but since I'm an equal opportunist, I read it with an open mind. Continuing from the last few issues, Daken has actively put into action his plan to become the next Romulus and that involves making everyone think he was killed by a possessed Wolverine, who goes on to chase after Mystique for the remainder of the book. The last portion of the story centers on the Fan 4 and their ties to Daken, which I assume will be covered in the next arc. I don't have anything good or bad to say about this book. It's nice to see Romulus finally get some depth, but if you weren't a fan before, you're not going to be one now. That's just the way it is. 3.
Antman and The Wasp #1:
I almost forgot about this book that focuses on the fun, little character known as Eric O'grady, and his predecessor Hank, the original Ant-man, as they're forced to align themselves with one another in other to stop AIM from using one of Hank's experiments, which was intended to give Bill Foster an artificial heaven to live in. Honestly, it's an entertaining book, and this is the closest to the REAL Eric O'grady we've seen since his role in The Initiative was marginalized and eventually ended when he finally found his way to T-bolts... and then boring Avengers (Secret). The book also manages to work in characters from Eric's past, Reed Richards, Tigra, and some of the Avenger Academy characters, so it feels like it's taking place in actual rich continuity and not just another useless mini. The only problem this book has going for it, and it's a MAJOR one, is that it's 4 dollars for a bunch of C & D-list characters. If we actually look at Marvel's prices for the next 4 months, it seems they're holding steadfast to this 4 dollar pricing point as a bunch of books are going up to that price by March, and only a few books not featuring A-listers will remain at 2.99. It seems completely contrary to what C.B and Marvel were putting out in the news a few months earlier when they were complaining about DC's decisions. Regardless, it's a very enjoyable book so far, so if you don't have the dough, trade it. 4.
I read Ant-man and The Wasp too. It's a fun little book.
Amazing Spider-Man came out this week, the second issue of Dan Slott's run. The most interesting stuff involves the Hobgoblin:
Spoiler
Last issue the Kingpin hired the original Hobgoblin Roderick Kingsley. In this issue we learn that while Osborn was in charge he stole Kingsley's fortune forcing Kingsley to come out of retirement. Kingsley goes to one of Osborn's cache's and finds the wings and flaming sword we've all seen on the covers. He also finds Phil Urich, the former good Green Goblin. As he's about to kill him, Phil uses his sonic scream and then takes the flaming sword and decapitates Kingsley while laughing like a maniac. Phil becomes the new Hobgoblin and goes on to attack Peter's new workplace for as yet unrevealed reasons.
I knew Slott was bringing Phil in to be a new villain or at least rival of Peters, but I didn't expect him to decapitate Kingsley. And Phil's totally nuts, which if memory serves fits well with his last appearance in Loners. Now I just want to see if Slott mentions Hollow at all.
Liking Slott's run so far. The new job is still ridiculous though.
Also read the newest X-Men Legacy which deals with Hellion and the loss of his hands. Pretty good so far but nothing really noteworthy.
Chaos War: Alpha Flight....Loved it!
Spoiler
Great premise for this story...Sasquatch/Walter Langkowski makes a deal with the Great Beasts to bring his friends back from the dead (Guardian/Mac Hudson, Vindicator/Heather Hudson, Shaman/Michael Twoyoungmen, Marrina and Puck). Puck doesn't make it back, as he is trapped in hell...But the rest do. The Great Beasts also call Snowbird, Aurora and Northstar together to complete the team. This felt like an actual issue of an Alpha Flight comic, rather than just a One-shot...It also felt very much like the Byrne years classic Alpha Flight.
It has a few flaws, but the story is touching, exciting and made me want more. I hope they are back for good.
I'd give this book a solid 4 out of 5.
Dana
honestly i face palmed at the big shocker moment, in spidey 649 that is so gonna bite them in the arse
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on November 25, 2010, 07:47:54 AM
Chaos War: Alpha Flight....Loved it!
Dana
Holy amateur hour Batman!
Was the art throughout the book as bad as the preview pages I saw at CBR? It would be nice if they had an artist that can actually draw these characters properly.
I thought the art was pretty good (it did have a few rough spots, though)...Maybe it was the inker? I dunno.
Dana
Quote from: Podmark on November 25, 2010, 05:11:13 AM
I read Ant-man and The Wasp too. It's a fun little book.
The art and story are somewhere between average and above average, but given that I love those two characters I could not be happier.
I haven't read an Alpha Flight comic in years (frankly because all of the relaunches look dull to me) but I really thought Chaos War: Alpha Flight is exceptional.
C6, you thought the art was bad? I think Reily Brown's art is pretty good but I've been a fan of his work since Hercules - http://reillybrown.deviantart.com/#/d33hzvw
havent read the book but ive always liked the original Alpha Flight team!
Quote from: herodad1 on November 27, 2010, 07:29:11 PM
havent read the book but ive always liked the original Alpha Flight team!
You might like this one-shot then, HD...It's the original team with the original team feel. I feel Jim McCann and Reilly Brown did a very good job with this book.
Dana
I've liked Reilly Brown since his run on Cable and Deadpool. Can't say he's the best artist but I always like seeing him get work.
Secret Warriors Spoilers:
Spoiler
So they killed Alex too. It seems Marvel hates Greek gods of war and their demigod children...
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 27, 2010, 07:00:02 PM
C6, you thought the art was bad? I think Reily Brown's art is pretty good but I've been a fan of his work since Hercules - http://reillybrown.deviantart.com/#/d33hzvw
It mostly has to do with it being the original Alpha Flight roster (minus Puck :thumbdown: )...if John Byrne isn't drawing them...they just look wrong :P. It is nice to that Marvel
finally gave AF fans back the original team.
Now they just need Heather to hang up the suit. We don't need two "Guardians" on the team.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on November 28, 2010, 03:13:49 AM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 27, 2010, 07:00:02 PM
C6, you thought the art was bad? I think Reily Brown's art is pretty good but I've been a fan of his work since Hercules - http://reillybrown.deviantart.com/#/d33hzvw
It mostly has to do with it being the original Alpha Flight roster (minus Puck :thumbdown: )...if John Byrne isn't drawing them...they just look wrong :P. It is nice to that Marvel finally gave AF fans back the original team.
Now they just need Heather to hang up the suit. We don't need two "Guardians" on the team.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Heather rocks!
One Guardian, one Vindicator?
I just find she's a redundant hero now with Mac back in the saddle. She chose to lead as Vindicator after Mac's death and after John Byrne left the book. Byrne has stated that if he had stayed on AF Heather would have lead the team...but he never would have put her in the suit. I think it would have been more interesting to see her deal with that task rather than becoming just another Guardian "clone".
i'm just glad we're getting back the original sasquatch. :thumbup:
Quote from: Courtnall6 on November 28, 2010, 11:39:20 PM
I just find she's a redundant hero now with Mac back in the saddle. She chose to lead as Vindicator after Mac's death and after John Byrne left the book. Byrne has stated that if he had stayed on AF Heather would have lead the team...but he never would have put her in the suit. I think it would have been more interesting to see her deal with that task rather than becoming just another Guardian "clone".
John Byrne already had her leading the team (for several issues), when he left Alpha Flight.
Dana
QuoteJohn Byrne already had her leading the team (for several issues), when he left Alpha Flight.
Yes that's true...my mistake...but she was going to continue to lead as is and not as the new Guardian/Vindicator. My guess is that Byrne would have brought Guardian back eventually...maybe not Mac...but someone. The Guardian costume design is just too awesome to keep out of comics anyway! :D
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 28, 2010, 01:20:39 AM
Secret Warriors Spoilers:
Spoiler
So they killed Alex too. It seems Marvel hates Greek gods of war and their demigod children...
Spoiler
Remember...Alex is supposed to "die" then be reborn to come into his full godhood according to Ares ;)
Quote from: Courtnall6 on November 30, 2010, 10:50:41 PM
QuoteJohn Byrne already had her leading the team (for several issues), when he left Alpha Flight.
Yes that's true...my mistake...but she was going to continue to lead as is and not as the new Guardian/Vindicator. My guess is that Byrne would have brought Guardian back eventually...maybe not Mac...but someone. The Guardian costume design is just too awesome to keep out of comics anyway! :D
I agree C6, the Guardian uniform is a fantastic design. Bill Mantlo slapped Heather into the suit as soon as he could, when he took the book over...I would have preferred if we saw Heather become a capable leader first and then (maybe) have her put the suit on. Mantlo made her look like a liability (and inept) as a leader.
And yes, Cas...
Spoiler
I'm also hoping they'll keep Alpha alive somehow at the end of the Chaos War and not shuffle them off back to the land of the dead.
Dana
Read the first issue of Thor the Mighty Avenger. Not bad. I like the take they have on the character. Too bad it's soon to be cancelled. :(
Quote from: MJB on December 03, 2010, 12:44:31 AM
Read the first issue of Thor the Mighty Avenger. Not bad. I like the take they have on the character. Too bad it's soon to be cancelled. :(
Is this a second series they're canceling, or are they really canceling the main series again? :huh:
Quote from: kkhohoho on December 03, 2010, 02:26:53 AM
Quote from: MJB on December 03, 2010, 12:44:31 AM
Read the first issue of Thor the Mighty Avenger. Not bad. I like the take they have on the character. Too bad it's soon to be cancelled. :(
Is this a second series they're canceling, or are they really canceling the main series again? :huh:
Thor the Mighty Avenger is an all-ages book. I believe it's separate from main continuity, and those two things pretty much explain the cancellation as sadly all ages out of continuity books tend to sell poorly.
Too bad, it was easily one of the better comics out there.
So, I've been reading Ant Man & the Wasp. I like it, it's a fun book. And I like that The book references other appearances of O'Grady, especially Irredeemable Ant-Man. I recently got to read that series, and when I did, I was somewhat disappointed to learn that the book ended with O'Grady undergoing some character development and not being such a weasel, but most of his other appearances haven't followed suit, pursuing him as the skirt-chasing liar he started out as. This book is at least a decent middle ground.
Quote from: Epimethee on December 03, 2010, 04:33:30 AM
Too bad, it was easily one of the better comics out there.
Some of Marvel's creative forces (I specifically remember Reilly Brown right now) banded behind the book and tried to start a "save Thor" rally. I don't think it went very far, but it did start an interesting discussion about books not counted in main continuity and why they may not sell well. It mostly focused on all-ages books, and why that classification/wording may be harmful in the long run.
In other news, since someone brought up Jim McCann earlier, if you were a fan of his "Hawkeye & Mockingbird" series, then you can begin your "unfanning" process immediately, as that book is now dead in the water.
Hmm...he broke up Bobbie and Clint. Me, not so much...
Quote from: Previsionary on December 04, 2010, 12:22:23 AM
In other news, since someone brought up Jim McCann earlier, if you were a fan of his "Hawkeye & Mockingbird" series, then you can begin your "unfanning" process immediately, as that book is now dead in the water.
Let me guess, Prev... You're actually the real Harbinger of Doom, aren't you? :o
Atlas cancelled, Thor TMA cancelled, H&M cancelled... what's left?
Hey, it's not my fault! I bought the books! This was announced awhile ago; I just wasn't posting at the time. :P.
On the Thor front: http://agentmlovestacos.com/post/2110730422/if-you-wanna-see-more-thor-the-mighty-avenger
You have Marvel writers, editors, artists, and workers on your side. Now, you just gotta get people to read the book. But if I were to be honest, I don't see that working. It didn't work for Capt Britain or Exiles, so I don't have high hopes for Thor. And if I were to be even more frank, I think New Mutants, Avengers Academy, Hulk (red), and/or Black Widow will join the pile eventually. If Secret Avengers doesn't actually get a little more interesting, I'd think it'd be at risk as well (sorry, Brubaker).
Speaking of piles, did anyone else read/finish Shadowland? Was all that mess really just so they could take one of DD's biggest foes off the board? The characterization was way off and the story was just bad overall. I'm hard pressed to find any upside or benefits to the character coming out of this.
However, The Dark Son storyline over in Incredible Hulks was great. I'm not saying that it was EPIC or anything of that nature, but it was really pretty well done and I can't wait to see where the fallout from this event is going to leave Bruce and Betty now.
Typically, I'm not moved enough to write reviews about things I absolutely hate, but today, at this very moment, I'm going to make an exception because Charlie Huston and Axel Alonso... and everyone involved with the book deserve to be shamed for what they did. Please arm yourself with knowledge, my friends. That's right, no spoiler tag.
Wolverine: The Best There Is #1
For a book that's visibly rockin' the "Parental Advisory" tag, this issue sure did censor itself a lot. Even the most common of swears (think your rear end) was written out in symbols and the only "swear" that made into the book in one piece is a biblical term used in a none biblical sense. I mean, if you're going to label it with an advisory tag, then something in the book other than more censored words should be... advisable against. As this issue is presented, it could just be a regular Marvel book, which already pushes the language barrier anyway. The beginning could have been pushing it, but I doubt it. With the way comics work now-a-days, that scene would just need minor editing to be put out for kids/pre-teens.
Anyway, the tag did ultimately end up serving a purpose, but the "parental" part should be removed and "warning" should be added to indicate to all those interested in yet another Wolverine book to look elsewhere because, yes, this issue is THAT bad. It's possibly the worst Wolverine book I've read in years, and I guarantee you that there are a lot of bad Wolverine solos out there. Thankfully, I did not buy this book, but I still feel a lot of shame for even browsing it. Forgive me.
Instead of even summarizing the story, I'd just like to point out some ridiculous things that happened this issue. Wolverine danced at a party. Wolverine made jokes and said, "I don't get my groove on." Wolverine became a hair dresser and talked about American idol for a page or two. Wolverine was walked while he was naked like a dog, which was never fully explained. I mean, it's explained how he got captured and ended up in that predicament, but it's like an after thought because all it does is explain why Logan needed a ride and his clothing choice. It's what I'd like to call an arbitrary plot device. There's also some other part of the story that is mildly confusing and littered with horrid dialogue that I will not get into because I like you guys... and I don't want to hurt you. I'm bearing this pain for us all.
To end on a positive note, I'd just like to say that I'm glad... GLAD... that my name is not associated with this book in any shape or form. I would suggest that the writer ask for his name to be removed, and he should hope and pray that this "ongoing" is canceled before he does too much harm on his name and skill level. Marvel should be horrified that they let this book get out as it once again highlights the caliber of their thinking lately and that their editors don't really edit as best they should. To add insult to injury, this thing is 4 dollars. That's 5 dollars too much. Yeah, they should pay you to take this comic off their hands. So much for that positivity, huh? 0. Zero. A big fat goose egg. Time to give Wolvie a rest, Marvel. Dare not weaken your line more than you have.
I just would like to say that you are an educated and eloquent individual, sir.
saw a hard back of DOOM WARS yesterday at haston's. if anyones read it...is it worth buying? i love doc doom but thats not enough to spend 25 bucks. :doom2:
Quote from: herodad1 on December 08, 2010, 05:51:27 PM
saw a hard back of DOOM WARS yesterday at haston's. if anyones read it...is it worth buying? i love doc doom but thats not enough to spend 25 bucks. :doom2:
I thought it was pretty darn good. I'd call that a event worthy of a person's money. It makes Siege look like a bloody tampon in a public bathroom sink. Then again, if it wasn't for the art, Siege would be that on its own. If you're unsure, wait for the softcover and grab it on amazon.com.
Jason Aaron on Pricing. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29782)
The new Venom? (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/12/new-venom-series-to-blend-hardcore-violence-with-international-intrigue/)
I'm disappointed they're giving Venom a new ongoing right away. I was hoping the new Venom would be an ongoing story element in Amazing. I don't want to say much about the design until I know more but it doesn't excite me at the moment.
On the pricing topic, Marvel just announced some $2.99 minis. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29799) For the moment it seems Marvel may be giving you more bang your buck but I suspect in a year or two they'll probably drop to 20 pages as well.
EDIT:
Apparently the new Venom will be government agent. (http://marvel.com/news/story/14792/who_is_venom)
I like the premise...
Spoiler
the symbiont is bound to a new host who's trying to control it in order to serve his country... but the host has to struggle to overcome the symbiont's influence in much the same way Peter had to.
Cosmic Marvel continues with Annihilators by DnA! (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/abnett-lanning-annihilators-march-101210.html)
Please note that there will be NO Rocket Racoon and Groot miniseries. Instead it was be a backup feature in Annihilators, with each issue of Annihilators being more than 40 pages long.
Sweet!
Though I'm slightly disappointed that Rocket and Groot won't be a full mini. I hope this mini will lead to more DnA cosmic stuff.
Shame it's only a miniseries, since we've lost both the ongoing Nova and Guardians of the Galaxy series.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on December 10, 2010, 05:37:18 PM
Cosmic Marvel continues with Annihilators by DnA! (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/abnett-lanning-annihilators-march-101210.html)
Please note that there will be NO Rocket Racoon and Groot miniseries. Instead it was be a backup feature in Annihilators, with each issue of Annihilators being more than 40 pages long.
That team needs some powerful members, it is just a bunch of wimps.
;)
Quote from: lugaru on December 10, 2010, 11:52:27 PM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on December 10, 2010, 05:37:18 PM
Cosmic Marvel continues with Annihilators by DnA! (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/abnett-lanning-annihilators-march-101210.html)
Please note that there will be NO Rocket Racoon and Groot miniseries. Instead it was be a backup feature in Annihilators, with each issue of Annihilators being more than 40 pages long.
That team needs some powerful members, it is just a bunch of wimps.
;)
Kind of reminds me of a letter once proposing that The Specter, The Phantom Stranger, Captain Marvel, Zatanna, or somebody like that should be in a group. The LOC editor could onlay ask who did he propose they fight?
Quote from: Podmark on December 10, 2010, 06:05:04 PM
Though I'm slightly disappointed that Rocket and Groot won't be a full mini.
After reading the press release more properly I've realized the the Rocket and Groot story is actually full length. So Annihilators is two full length books in one.
Wanna pick the next Thunderbolt member? Now's your chance: http://marvel.com/news/story/14891/choose_the_next_thunderbolt
Thanks for the link Prev. I wonder who will end up joining.
I voted for Deadpool. ^_^
I was tempted to write in the Punisher, but I voted Madam Masque.
I ended up goin' for Batroc. ;)
Thanks for the link Prev. T-bolts is the only modern book that I still follow closely.
Dr. Demonicus doesn't stand a chance :(
It won't matter who the fans pick...the execs that run Marvel will demand the spot got to Wolverine. :lol:
Quote from: Courtnall6 on December 21, 2010, 06:52:09 AM
It won't matter who the fans pick...the execs that run Marvel will demand the spot got to Wolverine. :lol:
Sure it will matter. The fan pick will be on the team long enough to get destroyed.
Then it will go to Wolverine.
i went Batroc too! :thumbup:
Quote from: murs47 on December 21, 2010, 01:06:13 AM
I voted for Deadpool. ^_^
You're so backwards. Like he's not in enough books even with two being canceled.
Aaaaaaaanyway, Marvel press conference live, if you care to watch: http://marvel.com/news/story/14888/watch_the_marvel_press_conference_live
I assume it's about the next Marvel event, Fear itself, which Tom Brevoort compared to Civil War. My head has already begun shaking in disbelief and I'll say no more. I wonder how this event will "change everything forever." *some companies never learn*
ETA:
Have to admit. They got my attention by mentioning WWII, Invaders, and Brubaker in the same sentence. I'll at least look at the prologue.
QuoteI wonder how this event will "change everything forever."
This has been getting to me for a while; for years now, Marvel (and DC) have, every year, been doing 'big events' that will 'change everything forever'. Just one problem with that; 'The more things change, the more they stay the same.' Seriously, I'm not against 'big events', but they don't always have to change the status quo; in the last several years, we've had House of M, Civil War, Secret Invasion, and now this whole Heroic Age deal, not to mention the Chaos War. At this point, the only way things would 'change forever', as they put it, is to
not change everything for a while; now
that would certainly be be different from the current norm, wouldn't it? ;)
Regarding "Fear Itself" I pretty much picked up on that the key baddies will be Phobos (who is reborn in his new God-like state) and Trauma (son of Nightmare) who are going to be facing their own family legacy and taking their rightful positions. I assume that the Illuminati was involved in keeping another big secret after locking something away and cracks are formed between supernatural worlds after being abused by the rebirth of vampires (why else would Dracula be in the group shot), King Chaos, and magical forces pushing into the normal world. Something or someone forces the "chosen ones" to face their worst fears possible to test them against the big threat to come which of course leads to destruction, death, and rebirths of several characters who have been kinda been in a state of self doubt for quite awhile now.
- CQ
It's like Global Warming: Event Fatigue is real. You can choose to ignore it now, but with the readership in ALL comics being low, how much longer can the Marvel and others deny it?
If Trauma really is involved that will increase my interest. He was a favorite from Avengers: The Initiative. I don't want to see him as a villain though. Otherwise Fear Itself isn't doing anything for me right now.
The thing that bothers me most is that Marvel/Quesada/the editors PROMISED us they'd take some time off from events to allow the readers some room to breathe. I'm still waiting on them to honor their words. Apparently, they're ignoring Siege (wish I could) or aren't counting it as a big event (when it was), so I dunno. Wevs. That doesn't account for the Daredevil (Shadowland), Black Panther, and X-men events.
The only good thing I got out of this is that Kieron Gillen will be helping Fraction out on Uncanny. Maybe I'll buy the book again, but looking at "Generation Hope" and how bland it is, maybe I won't.
Calling all Young Avengers Fans! (http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2645885.html)
That's crazy. I've been wanting to skin the Young Avengers as the future Avengers for quite some while. Pretty lack luster costume designs though. Still, it looks interesting, I'll probably be picking this up.
Titania was my vote. SHe is so abused by She Hulk it's a shame.
I'm very excited about that Young Avengers book. Especially since the cover shows Cassie Lang as Stinger from the MC 2 universe.
I thought I was gonna be the only vote for The Shocker but he is in the lead.
Otherwise I was gonna go with Sandman, who is a nice character who has worked on both sides of the law.
Avengers 8 I don't know why I keep reading this book - I think it must be some kind of sick masochism, because I really can't stand it. This is the second issue in a row that the Avengers themselves are barely in, focusing much more on Bendis' Illuminati. The Hood is a terrible character that Bendis won't stop trying to cram down the audience's collective throat, and he gets every character voice wrong except for one or two. At least I just read someone else's copy - I can take solace in not actually financially supporting it.
So I read Children's Crusade #4:
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Wiccan tries to fight Dr. Doom but gets hurt. Doom later heals him but also deactivates his powers, leaving him helpless and giving him an ultimatum to either attend the wedding of Doom and Scarlet Witch, or remain a prisoner in Doom's dungeons. Billy chooses the former. Billy later talks to Wanda alone, and at her request, Billy relates to her the memories of her life that she's lost. Meanwhile the Young Avengers, Magneto and Quicksilver start up a fight in Latveria to lure out Doom, and the Avengers show up soon after. When Doom, Wanda and Billy show themselves, and pretty much everybody starts fighting everyone else, Wolverine attempts to kill the Scartlet Witch. Billy stops Logan and tries to debate the moral implications of murdering Wanda (with Wiccan, who's always been the "Hurley" of the Young Avengers, potentially speaking for the audience that's been questioning Wolverine's kill-happy attitude this whole book). Wolverine tries to attack Wanda again, but is stopped by the appearance of founding Young Avenger Iron Lad, boy who would one day become Kang the Conqueror, who says he needs to protect Billy, and that the future depends on it.
The ending of the issue was the absolute highlight to me. It manages to get me pumped up for the next issue in a way all the previous issues completely failed to do. The rest of the issue was the same experience as the previous three: solid characterizations (with the exception of Heinberg laying it on thick with the Avengers and Wolverine), some entertaining dynamics (with Magneto and Pietro`s bickering with each other and the kids specifically standing out), darn-near flawless art, and a pace that's a little too slow for my tastes. I love Heinberg, but Kurt Busiek he is not. Admittedly some sequences in the book are very clearly tailored to show off Cheung's art (the sequence with Wolverine being a good example), and with 9 issues, at a bi-monthly pace, I wish things got moving a little faster. Also, a question for any Doom experts: why was Latveria swarming with spaceships? I assumed it to tie into some status quo from another book Doom has appeared in, but I don't think I've ever heard of this happening.
Overall the issue gets a
4 out of 5. It probably would have gotten a 3 or 3-and-a-half if not for the ending.
I also read the final issue of Ant-Man and the Wasp. No summery, as I'm lazy and don't feel like writing it right now (short version: they beat the bad guys and went home) but I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was full of fun/cool moments. I give it a
4-and-a-half out of 5. The only possible complaint I could have about the book is it still straddles the line between Eric O'Grady being the more fully fleshed-out character from the end of Kirkman's solo book and being the weaselly comic relief everyone else liked to write him as. But since this book had more of an emphasis on laughs and fun moments than major character development, I think its something I can forgive. Tim Seely still made far more of an effort to acknowledge characters and events from Ant-Man's book than any of the other writers combined, so I give him points for that.
I <3 YA so much but I really don't like stab, stab, kill Wolvie. I much prefer old ronin Wolvie or even love-crazed Wolvie. Besides that another excellent issue of excellent comic series - too bad I have to wait at least 3 months before the next issue since it is not in March's solicits. There is always this terribly design future Avengers starring the team though...
Isn't that one-shot by Heinberg himself though? Personally that's enough for me to pick it up.
And speaking of Avengers: The Children's Crusade:
http://i.newsarama.com/images/avncrusad005_cov_col_02.jpg (http://i.newsarama.com/images/avncrusad005_cov_col_02.jpg)
Looks like we may be seeing the return of Jack of Hearts! Cool! Could Scott Lang be far behind?
Oh, hey, Cmdrkoenig... guess what! Someone got their wish and a certain event book may or may not have returned a certain team back to life. Take that dead fan 4 member. *tear*
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Oh, hey, Cmdrkoenig... guess what! Someone got their wish and a certain event book may or may not have returned a certain team back to life. Take that dead fan 4 member. *tear*
Oooh...Intrigued. Yay, I think?
BTW: I don't get the whole
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"kill Johnny Storm off"
thing, just to raise reader interest. It's sad that after how much death has been abused in comics, writers and editors still think it's the way to go to get sales.
Dana
Bleeding Cool is reporting that Marvel will start moving towards a 20 page $2.99 model. (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/01/27/marvel-to-follow-dc-with-twenty-page-2-99-price-point/) It won't be line wide for now though.
Wacker spilled the identity of the new Venom:
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Flash Thompson. (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-next-big-thing-venom-110128.html)
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Wacker spilled the identity of the new Venom:
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Flash Thompson. (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-next-big-thing-venom-110128.html)
Now THAT is actually a mildly interesting twist.
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totaly called it. Since he is now a hero that wants to get back into action the symbiote is the perfect vehicle for him as it replaces his legs and has an interesting relationship with peter.
I'm also really tired of all the guff about Fantastic Four lately. You gotta read the book, it's the best it has been in a long time, I may even call it Fantastic! I honestly had shivers and cried a little during Johnny's last stand.
I don't think the Millar stuff was bad at all, pretty cool if you ask me, but Hickman just has this way of writing, it's so expositional in explaining a situation, but a lot of action happens off panel too that just lets you imagine crazy things.
I'm really excited to see what he does with the FF next.
Fun, everyone has been predicting him to be venom, and now that it is spoiled I might pick up the book.
As for the marvel thing, that is great, you cant find a more mainstream opinion than $3.99 is silly. As for 20 pages THE WALKING DEAD has done that since forever to give the artist a little more vacation and it is still one of the best books out there.
To Dana:
It's a yay. Some of Alpha Flight is back... until their next death.
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I'm also really tired of all the guff about Fantastic Four lately. You gotta read the book, it's the best it has been in a long time, I may even call it Fantastic! I honestly had shivers and cried a little during Johnny's last stand.
I don't think the Millar stuff was bad at all, pretty cool if you ask me, but Hickman just has this way of writing, it's so expositional in explaining a situation, but a lot of action happens off panel too that just lets you imagine crazy things.
I'm really excited to see what he does with the FF next.
We've discussed this before, but I always think you're waaaaaaay too forgiving about certain things. :P. Millar's run was bleh.* Also, Johnny's death was not "fantastic." It may have pulled at the heart strings, but speaking as an actual Human Torch fan (of both incarnations), that's not the way I would have thought Johnny would have went down. But like I said in the other thread, I'm accustomed to Iceman and Torch conveniently forgetting their powers so they can go down easier.
The reduction to 20 pages is interesting. The reason it bothers certain writers, and readers, is that it drastically affects pacing. I linked to an article by Jason Aaron earlier where he pontificated about DC's change in page numbers and how that may alter his writing style in the future. It's an interesting read if you care enough. Still, it's 3 dollars for 20 pages... is that really a good thing for us as fans? We were at 22 pages at 3 dollars less than a decade ago.
*opinions, like miles, may vary.
Well the interesting thing about Marvel's plan is that they plan to give those books affected 13 issues a year. Still works out to slightly less pages (4 I think) per year though.
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To Dana:
It's a yay. Some of Alpha Flight is back... until their next death.
I picked up the Issue and I was very happy. Thanks P.
Dana
Has anybody been reading the current Heroes For Hire book by Abnett and Lanning?
I have nothing but love for this book already. The concept is basic but engaging, where Misty Knight (doing her best impression of the DJ from the Warriors movie) is almost like DC's Oracle, doling out jobs for heroes that are for hire. Silver Sable, Paladin, Ghost Rider, Elektra, Falcon, Back Widow.. it the kind of book where certain random heroes could pop up and it would make sense, depending on the job. A surprise twist was revealed in the first issue and it just left me wanting to read more to figure out exactly what is going on. Such a great book.. love the art. And after reading the latest issue, who's ever going to see the Flinstones in the same way again?
LP, you're obviously confused. This ain't the DC thread, so don't be speakin' 'bout them up in here. Get yo' mind right.
Anyway, a new writer and artist will be taking over Secret Avengers for the Fear, Itself event. Who's excited?: http://marvel.com/news/story/15183/nick_spencer_joins_the_secret_avengers
Prev, gnub. He's talking about Heroes for Hire. I've been hearing positive things about this book.
Nick Spencer on Secret Avengers? Hmmmm. I thought the first arc was mediocre but after that the title has been quite entertaining. Nick Spencer is a rising star though. His Image stuff is great and his take on THUNDER Agents and The Atom has been awesome thus far. Sucks to see Bru go but at least we're getting a quality replacement who might even do a better job with the title.
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Prev, gnub. He's talking about Heroes for Hire. I've been hearing positive things about this book.
You're as daft as he is. He had a whole section talking about Birds of Prey and Adventure Comics. He edited it, duh. DUH, Murs. DUH! Go to your corner, dumb dog.
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Prev, gnub. He's talking about Heroes for Hire. I've been hearing positive things about this book.
You're as daft as he is. He had a whole section talking about Birds of Prey and Adventure Comics. He edited it, duh. DUH, Murs. DUH! Go to your corner, dumb dog.
You are.
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Prev, gnub. He's talking about Heroes for Hire. I've been hearing positive things about this book.
You're as daft as he is. He had a whole section talking about Birds of Prey and Adventure Comics. He edited it, duh. DUH, Murs. DUH! Go to your corner, dumb dog.
You mean what I wrote in the DC thread? You're crazy, Prev. CRAZY! :D
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Prev, gnub. He's talking about Heroes for Hire. I've been hearing positive things about this book.
You're as daft as he is. He had a whole section talking about Birds of Prey and Adventure Comics. He edited it, duh. DUH, Murs. DUH! Go to your corner, dumb dog.
You are.
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Prev, gnub. He's talking about Heroes for Hire. I've been hearing positive things about this book.
You're as daft as he is. He had a whole section talking about Birds of Prey and Adventure Comics. He edited it, duh. DUH, Murs. DUH! Go to your corner, dumb dog.
You mean what I wrote in the DC thread? You're crazy, Prev. CRAZY! :D
Both of you just shut your mouth! Shut your mouth! *DRAMA*
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HA cletus cassidy is back suck it bendis
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HA cletus cassidy is back suck it bendis
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With a robot lower half :lol:
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HA cletus cassidy is back suck it bendis
That's a shame - getting rid of that '90s throwback was the only good thing Bendis did with New Avengers.
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HA cletus cassidy is back suck it bendis
That's a shame - getting rid of that '90s throwback was the only good thing Bendis did with New Avengers.
to you maybe to me it was a petty small minded act just because he didn't like the fact people enjoyed a character he didn't
He didn't like the fact that people enjoyed a character he didn't? So, basically, he did it to spite you? I think more likely he did it because he thought Carnage is a bad character.
And, this time, he's right (stopped clocks and all that). Carnage - right after Cable - is the epitome of '90s comic book excess. If only he could somehow have pouches all over his waving tendrils, carry a ridiculously giant gun, have curiously tiny, off-camera feet and come with a foil-embossed hologram cover variant, he'd be the poster boy for probably the worst decade of superhero comics.
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HA cletus cassidy is back suck it bendis
That's a shame - getting rid of that '90s throwback was the only good thing Bendis did with New Avengers.
to you maybe to me it was a petty small minded act just because he didn't like the fact people enjoyed a character he didn't
He did the same thing with Alpha Flight a few years back. He didn't like them, so he killed them...Nevermind the fact that another writer may like and want to use them (and Alpha Flight has fans? Who cares?)...sheesh!
Dana
Quote from: Talavar on February 11, 2011, 01:26:10 AM
He didn't like the fact that people enjoyed a character he didn't? So, basically, he did it to spite you? I think more likely he did it because he thought Carnage is a bad character.
And, this time, he's right (stopped clocks and all that). Carnage - right after Cable - is the epitome of '90s comic book excess. If only he could somehow have pouches all over his waving tendrils, carry a ridiculously giant gun, have curiously tiny, off-camera feet and come with a foil-embossed hologram cover variant, he'd be the poster boy for probably the worst decade of superhero comics.
Couldn't the exact same thing be said of Venom (and Deadpool)? Except now Venom looks like a GI Joe character.
Dana
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Quote from: Talavar on February 11, 2011, 01:26:10 AM
He didn't like the fact that people enjoyed a character he didn't? So, basically, he did it to spite you? I think more likely he did it because he thought Carnage is a bad character.
And, this time, he's right (stopped clocks and all that). Carnage - right after Cable - is the epitome of '90s comic book excess. If only he could somehow have pouches all over his waving tendrils, carry a ridiculously giant gun, have curiously tiny, off-camera feet and come with a foil-embossed hologram cover variant, he'd be the poster boy for probably the worst decade of superhero comics.
Couldn't the exact same thing be said of Venom (and Deadpool)? Except now Venom looks like a GI Joe character.
Dana
I'm no fan of Venom either, but he is a (marginally) better character than Carnage. Deadpool though, I don't agree with - at least when he's done well. Deadpool is to 90s superhero comics what Spinal Tap is to 80s heavy metal bands: satire.
Tal, Bendis has a history of doing things like that, and he has admitted to offing characters he didn't like (see: Antman/Scott Lang). What UE put forth is not a stretch. Also, I will point out Sentry. He knew people didn't like the way the character was being portrayed, but he kept him around because he loved him. Then when he got tired of him, he offed him without much thought about it. Again, his own words. The Avengers in general is made up of the same 10ish characters Bendis loves while the other 40+ Avengers sit in limbo. How much evidence do you need before you realize his influence? :P
I don't like that, killing characters just because you don't like them. To me if you've got a problem with a character then you should be trying to find a way to make it better or just avoiding it, not just offing him. Deaths should be story based, not writer based. Carnage's death in New Avengers was most certainly not story based as he was simply a cameo before being killed. Alpha Flight was the same way.
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Tal, Bendis has a history of doing things like that, and he has admitted to offing characters he didn't like (see: Antman/Scott Lang). What UE put forth is not a stretch. Also, I will point out Sentry. He knew people didn't like the way the character was being portrayed, but he kept him around because he loved him. Then when he got tired of him, he offed him without much thought about it. Again, his own words. The Avengers in general is made up of the same 10ish characters Bendis loves while the other 40+ Avengers sit in limbo. How much evidence do you need before you realize his influence? :P
I'm not defending Bendis (I dont' think he's done much in mainstream Marvel that's worth a damn); I'm attacking Carnage. That's an important ideological difference.
i still find it funny that people moan about carnage, when he was the factor in one of spideys best arc. bendis has said in the past he didn't like the character and killed him off you please himself
is carnage an 90's character yes of course he is, he's no where near as bad as cable or the crap image comics flooded the market with. the sad fact is no one has had the guts from maximum carnage to write him as anything but a dumb killer.
you can not have a character that is purely about letting go of all human morals without playing up the idea that his way of life is wrong.
It's like they're targeting books directly at me:
Fear Itself: Youth In Revolt (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/fear-itself-youth-in-revolt-110211.html)
A mini starring the Avengers: The Initiative and Young Allies cast? I am so there.
I'll totally pick that up. I'm very amused by the fact that Sean Mckeever is getting a string of minis to replace his canceled ongoing. It reminds me of Jeff Parker and Atlas.
Well, he said a long time ago that Initiative and Young Allies would still have their crossover regardless.
I'm just mad at Bendis for breaking Terrax's Axe. You know, the one made from Galactus? Just to show how awesome his prettyboy was.
Straight from the horse's mouth: "As a result of the Fantastic Four sales and media coverage, Marvel is going to kill a main character every quarter. This is not a joke." The horse, in this instance, is David Gabriel, Senior Vice President of Sales at Marvel. Click through to read for yourself.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/hey-thats-my-cape-marvel-deaths-for-sales-110216.html (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/hey-thats-my-cape-marvel-deaths-for-sales-110216.html)
Boo.
How lame.
Hahahaha! What a great show of artistic integrity!
After A few quarters of this recipe, I guess we'll be seeing A LOT of zombie books...
<_<
Ehh, it isn't like this is something we didn't know already...but it is surprising to see them admit it so openly. That is just sorta' weak-sauce. At least pretend you've got stories to tell.
:doh:
Oy, this is a great argument for why comic books probably shouldn't be published every month.
So is Marvel's master plan to kill off the rest of the Fantastic Four or just some random character in their universe?
Looks like they already got a head start with Spider-Woman last summer.
http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2048878.html [Warning for disturbing images]
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I don't like that, killing characters just because you don't like them. To me if you've got a problem with a character then you should be trying to find a way to make it better or just avoiding it, not just offing him. Deaths should be story based, not writer based. Carnage's death in New Avengers was most certainly not story based as he was simply a cameo before being killed. Alpha Flight was the same way.
What's even more moronic in Bendis' Alpha Flight death, is that they were taken out by the supposedly mega-powered Collective (Alpha Flight consisting of a hulk-level ancient god-beast, two skilled and experienced people in super-powered battle suits and a Dr Strange-level mystic), but his mostly street-level Avengers stood up to the Collective for an extended battle (and none of them were killed). Thankfully, Alpha Flight is back and being written quite well.
The FF member being killed every quarter is another moronic Marvel misstep...When will they just learn to write good stories (then they wouldn't need constant deaths to get sales).
Dana
I can deal with character deaths, as long as they're well written and story progressive (Classic Squadron Supreme-No one died just because). But my biggest peeve is bringing the character back just to have him/her back. Even though DC has been doing this forever, they at least have legacy heroes who attempt to not only fill the void left by whichever character's death, but they usually allow the new character to grow as individual characters.
Wow, I remember this thread. It's been so long. Remember when reviews used to be posted in this thread? Lol, good times. *destroys thread because of Podmark* :loupitchfork
Well, lets get it moving.
Marvel I have been reading : Which is saying a lot, b/c for a while there I wasn't reading any.
Hickman's Freedom Foundation - The FF in any incarnation done right is awesome
S.H.I.E.L.D - Hickman my be my new Mark Waid.
The Avengers, New, Regular, and Secret - So far, I must say I am not unhappy. Each one gives a different flavor of the Avengers, (although the New Avengers are indeed the Defenders, but thats cool.)
Herc- Love Herc
That's it right now. No X-Books, still can't break that barrier.
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*destroys thread because of Podmark* :loupitchfork
Leave that nice Mister Podmark alone. That kind gentleman can't even access his old account.
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The Avengers, New, Regular, and Secret - So far, I must say I am not unhappy. Each one gives a different flavor of the Avengers, (although the New Avengers are indeed the Defenders, but thats cool.)
I'm quite enjoying Avengers Academy myself. I highly recommend it.
I second Avengers Academy - it's a great book!
Looks like Alpha Flight is becoming an on-going book. They're safe from Bendis for a few more issues!
Anybody read Fear Itself #6 yet?
I don't get mine til next tues. so I'm just curious about whats happening and not patient enough to wait :)
I'm really enjoying Alpha Flight...It's really messed up (but in a good, I can't put this book down sort of way)....I'm very happy it's now an ongoing series (I hope it lasts a few years).
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Alpha Flight is on the run from their own government, thanks to the new Prime Minister (former ally, Gary Cody), Marrina is a teen with a bad attitude, Heather/Vindicator has apparently been brain-washed and has turned on the team, Jeanne Marie is posing as Aurora to fool Alpha Flight and Puck's alive again (not to mention, a bit insane)
Dana
Anyone read the new Ultimate Spider-Man?
It was good I suppose. Little on the short side, but still a great introduction to Miles and his family. But how is Norman legally free? That needs explaining ASAP. This should have been 40 pages.
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Anyone read the new Ultimate Spider-Man?
It was good I suppose. Little on the short side, but still a great introduction to Miles and his family. But how is Norman legally free? That needs explaining ASAP. This should have been 40 pages.
It was 11 months ago which would have been before he was arrested.
Also it was a pretty damn good comic but I just wonder if the spider bite anyone else though.
Ooooooh. That makes a LOT more sense.
So it sounds like Cable: X-Sanction is going to be CablePoint...I'm not surprised given how much money DC (a company that hasn't outsold Marvel in many, many years) made with this relaunch. The problem is DC is having issues with keeping creative teams intact (there are several titles that are getting new creative teams by issue 4, some already have new creative teams by issue 2).
The state of comics are a mess these days.
Who's leaving which titles after a few issues? I really hope it's not Scott Snyder or Jeff Lemire.
Wait, Cable is back... or is coming back? I'm so behind on X-news... because I no longer care.
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Who's leaving which titles after a few issues? I really hope it's not Scott Snyder or Jeff Lemire.
Static Shock and Blackhawks (another one I can't think of yet too). I'll find the article I read earlier this morning. Oh and the artist on Suicide Squad.
And yes Prev, Cable is coming back to remove the Avengers from time. I'm hoping/guessing it has something to do with Scarlet Witch and M-Day.
There's Avengers stuck in time? I thought they were fighting Odin's brother.
*baffled*
Oh, ew. Yanick Pacquatte is off Swamp Thing by issue 4. Ugh! His art was frickin amazing in the first issue.
(December solicits were released a little bit ago. Changes are there.)
Mister Terrific also has had a revolving door of artists.
Childrens' Crusade felt like it was worth the money for something other than the pretty pictures. I bought 4 comics today and it was the one that took the longest to read and I really loved certain parts but it feels like Doom is going to end up the father of Billy and Tommy.
Children's Crusade is STILL going? Good lord. I haven't picked up a single comic in a good 5 months, and I'm surprised storylines I was reading back then are still slowly crawling along. :(
I think Childrens Crusade is bi-monthly meaning it has been peoples good book to fall back on for a while.
Right now I'm really grooving on the Daredevil reboot, it is pure caviar. The Punisher (616) reboot is not bad (love the art!) but the MAX book is consistently great.
Children's Crusade is semi-monthly, correct, but it's also way behind schedule. :D. Speaking of Daredevil, what happened with Black Panther? I hear he's joining the Avengers again, so how is that transition taking place?
I liked Children's Crusade (and it looks fantastic!) but I found the X-Men were acting a bit like idiots. You things are screwy when Magneto is the most reasonable person there.
I'm really hoping Scott Lang and Iron Lad make out of the story intact.
Good news - Nova looks like he's coming back! Bad news - Jeph Loeb is possibly writing it http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-point-one-teaser-110926.html (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-point-one-teaser-110926.html)
I thank my lucky stars for these threads.
Everytime I want to care about modern comics, I find another good reason not to buy any. Can't tell you how much money and brain cells I've saved as a result, but it's a lot.
So the "leak" that Marvel's going to start killing main characters on a regular basis to generate sales hype... that doesn't raise my blood pressure like it might've. Hey, these threads are even good for my cardiovascular heath!
Keep up the good work! :thumbup:
I skipped the Black Panther in Hells Kitchen arc... as much as I like the character (and think Daredevil villains are perfect for him) I just did not hear much buzz around that storyline.
I have heard mentions of him becoming an avenger too... personally I would love to see him lead an international group of avengers, something outside of US authority, in case we get a civil war or Dark Reign again.
Miles Morales is really shaping up to be my favorite new character from any comic publisher. He's young and everything is so new and the art is superb. Only crit, needs mo' action now.
Not interested in Schism, so I haven't read it at all, but this intrigues me:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=34628 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=34628)
and Jason has been answering some questions all over the place, and he plans to give Iceman and Beast some love, so I just might have to break my hiatus and give this book an arc. The line up is also quite eccentric for an X-book, especially if we count the last decade which has essentially been ONE steady team with very little change.
Line up (so far): Quentin Quire, Wolverine, Iceman, Beast, Doop, some NC looking guy, Kitty
With Wolvie as a headmaster, I guess he'll be less choppy choppy in the future? I know his arc in Wolverine was leading him in a more spiritual, less kill happy direction. How will his new job factor into his Avenger status as Bendis rarely takes into account anything that goes on with the X-men? Also, what's up with X-factor? Never would I imagine that'd be one of the largest X-teams. Now with Polaris and Havok rejoining the team (and Darwin missing), it might be in for a change of direction.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/105399/2021949-uncanny_x_men_wolverine_s_team.jpg
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I thank my lucky stars for these threads.
Everytime I want to care about modern comics, I find another good reason not to buy any. Can't tell you how much money and brain cells I've saved as a result, but it's a lot.
So the "leak" that Marvel's going to start killing main characters on a regular basis to generate sales hype... that doesn't raise my blood pressure like it might've. Hey, these threads are even good for my cardiovascular heath!
Keep up the good work! :thumbup:
I'm surprised people have just started talking about this "leak" when I know it was talked about before FR died. In fact, I think I mentioned something about it and said something about not being surprised because it was happening in every event any way.
Yeah, I first posted that link in February. It's not exactly news any more.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on September 28, 2011, 06:45:09 PM
Miles Morales is really shaping up to be my favorite new character from any comic publisher. He's young and everything is so new and the art is superb. Only crit, needs mo' action now.
Issue two was amazing! In fact, this Ultimate line re-launch has been amazing!
Quote from: Talavar on September 28, 2011, 07:26:13 PM
Yeah, I first posted that link in February. It's not exactly news any more.
Was news to me, I guess :)
Quote from: murs47 on September 29, 2011, 04:42:45 AM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on September 28, 2011, 06:45:09 PM
Miles Morales is really shaping up to be my favorite new character from any comic publisher. He's young and everything is so new and the art is superb. Only crit, needs mo' action now.
Issue two was amazing! In fact, this Ultimate line re-launch has been amazing!
Completely agree.
Ultimate Spider-Man continues to be awesome.
Miles Morales = win
Anyone reading Punisher Max?
:blink:
The book, uhm... wow. Jason Aaron is not pulling punches, and this is very much his own universe now.
Still loving it though, maybe moreso, but I definately see it as a "what if" now.
Quote from: lugaru on October 13, 2011, 09:28:19 PM
Anyone reading Punisher Max?
:blink:
The book, uhm... wow. Jason Aaron is not pulling punches, and this is very much his own universe now.
Still loving it though, maybe moreso, but I definately see it as a "what if" now.
Okay, now I need spoilers. If you would be so kind...?
Quote from: Talavar on October 13, 2011, 11:53:59 PM
Quote from: lugaru on October 13, 2011, 09:28:19 PM
Anyone reading Punisher Max?
:blink:
The book, uhm... wow. Jason Aaron is not pulling punches, and this is very much his own universe now.
Still loving it though, maybe moreso, but I definately see it as a "what if" now.
Okay, now I need spoilers. If you would be so kind...?
Well lets see (just got home a little tipsy, but will try to refrain from colorful language)
Spoiler
On one of the first pages Frank blows out Bulleyes brains, while he is in a coma. Yeah... Then you are treated to Elektra having sex with both the Kingpin AND his wife who hired her to get close and assassinate him. And finally Frank digs up The Kingpins sons body, in a final effort to make the kingpin come to him, because he does not have enough firepower to take on the kingpin on his own territory. Basically Jason Aaron is burning the candle at both ends, and not only is the Kingpin going to die but Frank probably will too. I dont care, since it is a max book, but it still has a major "holy %#@@ factor".
My Marvel picks this week:
-Ultimate Spider-Man #3: Man, this comic is still freakin' on-point. The art is flawless, the script is great.. I just can't wait for him to actually put on the suit! The foundation has all been laid for some awesome adventures now.
-X-Men Regenesis: This was.. Interesting. Kind of a regret purchase now though, because it felt like a long commercial for the upcoming series of [too many] X-Books. Which, I mean, it was. But what was up with the cavemen allegorical segments? Very strange.
-Amazing Spider-Man #671: Man. I almost don't want Spider Island to end! This has just been oodles of fun! One of my favorite cross-overs in a long time. Love the script, and I especially love how Jackal is drawn in this book. His facial expressions are HILARIOUS.
-Casanova: Avarita #2: Loving the art in this book and I love the idea... but man, they really aren't doing any favors to make the story any more understandable, huh? Confusing as hell with some (usually) delightfully trippy visuals. Don't know if I'll be picking up #3, but it's been good so far.. (But at $4.99 a pop, eesh. I mean, it's awesome there are no ads, but man.)
-New Avengers #17: I don't think I've ever bought a non-Ultimate Avengers book before this one.. but the premise sounded fun and I heard it was a good jumping-on point. Y'know what? It really was. I really enjoyed the chemistry between all the members of the team, it had a nice mix of humor and action... Considering subscribing to this one.
So those are my Marvel pulls this week.. I'll definitely be continuing with Amazing Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man, will probably be adding New Avengers, and I need to make a decision about which X-Book(s) I want to follow.. Am considering Wolverine and the X-Men and Uncanny X-Force? Need to decide.. Don't think I'll be continuing with Casanova though; I'll wait for the trade...
- :cardmaster
Uncanny X-Force is a very good book Card, if you haven't been reading it I'd recommend it.
Schism was hot and cold for me but I really liked the Regenesis one shot. I ws particularly impressed with how much of the X-Men cast was hit on and how well the explanations for choosing a side worked for me. I'm going to try out both Uncanny and Wolverine and the X-Men but I'm not really sure what to expect from either.
I'm also enjoying Spider-Island and it appears we have a new Scarlet Spider incoming. Colour me intrigued.
EDIT: Opps wrote X-Men instead of X-Force.
Haha...I'm obviously not following what's going on in Marvel with any particular attention, but I came across this today, and it made me laugh.:
http://www.the-gutters.com/comic/204-rus-wooton
I thought I'd share it with y'all. So, we've seen DC going back to the 90's...perhaps Marvel is going back to the 80's. :D
just finished fear itself, my god was that a bloody car wreck
and as for the tease as much as a fan i am of the character, meh
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on October 20, 2011, 02:52:34 PM
just finished fear itself, my god was that a bloody car wreck
and as for the tease as much as a fan i am of the character, meh
I keep warning you people about getting involved in these events, and you all keep finding reasons, even VERY mundane ones, to spend your monies on it. I don't know why you act surprised and expect different results year after year, UE. If you wanna waste your money, I know a mogul in Africa that needs your help.... <_<
Quote from: Podmark on October 15, 2011, 02:28:32 AM
Uncanny X-Men is a very good book Card, if you haven't been reading it I'd recommend it.
Thanks for the tip, Pod! I'll check that one out this month... :)
- :cardmaster
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on October 20, 2011, 02:52:34 PM
just finished fear itself, my god was that a bloody car wreck
and as for the tease as much as a fan i am of the character, meh
Yet another event that took away things that I loved...
Fear Itself...ugh!
It started out really well but ended so poorly.
speaking of poor:
QuoteToday Comic Book Resources has announced (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35042) that Marvel Comics is expected to lay off as many as 15 employees as purely a cost-cutting measure. The lay offs come right on the heels of the lay off of Chief Operating Officer Jim "Ski" Sokolowski two weeks ago. Although Marvel has made no official announcement of the staff cuts, there have been information leaks and tweets about who has gotten the axe at the company. Editors Alejandro Arbona and Jody LeHeup, assistant editor Rachel Pinnelas, and production artist Damien Lucchese are among the names of those that have been let go – with more to come.
Industry news site ICv2 has tried to contact Marvel for confirmation (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/21312.html) but Marvel has declined to comment.
Rich Johnston at Bleeding Cool (http://www.bleedingcool.com/) has a very interesting article laying out what's going on at Marvel and how the cuts by Isaac Perlmutter are adversely affecting the publishing arm. Here are some selections from the must-read article (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/20/the-spinning-pennies-of-marvel%E2%80%99s-isaac-perlmutter/).
More: http://comicbookcritic.net/2011/10/20/marvel-makes-cuts-lays-off-up-to-15-employees/
Would that Marvel would get rid of certain writers as well.
And never, ever, ever give Liefield any more work.
Re: Fear Itself 7....
Spoiler
didn't Thor just come back to life pretty recently? And with him being featured in both Avengers this summers and a Thor sequel in the not too distant future, I can't imagine this dirtnap being a long one. Is Thor becoming Marvel's new Jean Grey?
Quote from: Talavar on October 21, 2011, 03:02:51 PM
Re: Fear Itself 7....Spoiler
didn't Thor just come back to life pretty recently? And with him being featured in both Avengers this summers and a Thor sequel in the not too distant future, I can't imagine this dirtnap being a long one. Is Thor becoming Marvel's new Jean Grey?
Recent as in nearly 6 years ago? Regardless
Spoiler
gods
never stay dead...not even the good ones.
Quote from: Previsionary on October 20, 2011, 10:43:33 PM
speaking of poor:
QuoteToday Comic Book Resources has announced (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35042) that Marvel Comics is expected to lay off as many as 15 employees as purely a cost-cutting measure. The lay offs come right on the heels of the lay off of Chief Operating Officer Jim "Ski" Sokolowski two weeks ago. Although Marvel has made no official announcement of the staff cuts, there have been information leaks and tweets about who has gotten the axe at the company. Editors Alejandro Arbona and Jody LeHeup, assistant editor Rachel Pinnelas, and production artist Damien Lucchese are among the names of those that have been let go – with more to come.
Industry news site ICv2 has tried to contact Marvel for confirmation (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/21312.html) but Marvel has declined to comment.
Rich Johnston at Bleeding Cool (http://www.bleedingcool.com/) has a very interesting article laying out what's going on at Marvel and how the cuts by Isaac Perlmutter are adversely affecting the publishing arm. Here are some selections from the must-read article (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/20/the-spinning-pennies-of-marvel%E2%80%99s-isaac-perlmutter/).
More: http://comicbookcritic.net/2011/10/20/marvel-makes-cuts-lays-off-up-to-15-employees/
More on the cutbacks & working conditions.
article here (http://www.comicsbeat.com/2011/10/21/marvel-layoffs-the-cheapskate-is-coming-from-inside-the-house-of-ideas/)
Quote from: AfghanAnt on October 21, 2011, 04:13:32 PM
Quote from: Talavar on October 21, 2011, 03:02:51 PM
Re: Fear Itself 7....Spoiler
didn't Thor just come back to life pretty recently? And with him being featured in both Avengers this summers and a Thor sequel in the not too distant future, I can't imagine this dirtnap being a long one. Is Thor becoming Marvel's new Jean Grey?
Recent as in nearly 6 years ago? Regardless Spoiler
gods
Okay, it's a little longer ago than I realized.
Quote from: Talavar on October 21, 2011, 08:49:40 PM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on October 21, 2011, 04:13:32 PM
Quote from: Talavar on October 21, 2011, 03:02:51 PM
Re: Fear Itself 7....Spoiler
didn't Thor just come back to life pretty recently? And with him being featured in both Avengers this summers and a Thor sequel in the not too distant future, I can't imagine this dirtnap being a long one. Is Thor becoming Marvel's new Jean Grey?
Recent as in nearly 6 years ago? Regardless Spoiler
gods
Okay, it's a little longer ago than I realized.
I'm beginning to think that Thor has it in his contract to die at least twice a decade.
Marvel has also set Alpha Flight back to being just a 8 issue Maxi (after announcing that it would be an ongoing)... :angry: Forget you, Marvel.
Dana :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
Quote from: Cardmaster on October 20, 2011, 05:06:17 PM
Quote from: Podmark on October 15, 2011, 02:28:32 AM
Uncanny X-Men is a very good book Card, if you haven't been reading it I'd recommend it.
Thanks for the tip, Pod! I'll check that one out this month... :)
- :cardmaster
Opps, Card I actually meant Uncanny
X-FORCE. Totally wrote the wrong word. Silly Marvel with their similar title.
Uncanny X-Men is just starting a new era so I can't give any recommendation.
Quote from: Glitch Girl on October 21, 2011, 05:44:01 PM
More on the cutbacks & working conditions.
article here (http://www.comicsbeat.com/2011/10/21/marvel-layoffs-the-cheapskate-is-coming-from-inside-the-house-of-ideas/)
Okay, here's the problem:
(http://www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/isaacperlmutter.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/MichaelScott.png)
EDIT: Juust in case that's a little too obscure... Marvel's CEO looks like he stepped out of an episode of 'The Office'. C'mon, guys! It's funny!
You're rude, Bluebard. So rude! Get out! (j/k)
...
So, I'm reading Wolverine & The X-men #1 right now. I haven't read an x-book of any kind in MONTHS. It's been at least half a year. I'll let you all know what I think. I can tell you right off the back that I still don't care for Bachalo's art. It's rarely worked for me, and the last time I saw it (X-men and Spider-man), it left me cold... and confused.
Daredevil is really fun. So are the Marvel Super Adventures books.
Wolverine and the X-men #1:
A big ol' pile of MEH from me. I disliked the art, the book was kinda slow, and I didn't agree with some characterization, but then again, I'm missing months of "development." Interesting faculty list, and when did Kid Gladiator enter the picture? He looked horrible under Bachalo's pen. Sorry. Also, some traditions hold up on the X-mansion front, Aaron remembered something about Iceman's long forgotten career, and the new Black King showed up and dropped bombs in the final few pages. Actually, he pretty much laid out why he's a villain and what he's doing, and that's bluh. So, there you go.
Also, someone tell me this rendition of Kitty doesn't look like a brunette Psylocke:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HG5edrB_QJ8/TqhQuiBTjPI/AAAAAAAAAPM/h98lE7qUB8U/s400/kitty.jpg)
I also read Wolverine and the X-Men #1 but I had a different reaction - I thought it was great! One of the comics I've enjoyed the most this year. Granted I am a sucker for any New X-Men appearances, and Bachalo is probably my favorite artist. I found the issue thoroughly enjoyable and quite funny, if every issue is like this I'll be quite happy.
I also read the conclusion to Spider-Island. I liked it, it's nothing super special though. Kaine's characterization is way off though, Slott writes him like Peter instead of Kaine, I'm curious if that will follow into the new series. Also Mary Jane may have kept her Spider powers, which could be interesting.
Also Avengers Academy continues to be a very solid book that I highly recommend to everyone. This issue wraps up some plot threads and sets up the book's new status quo with the Academy moving to the old West Coast Avengers HQ and opening up the school to new students.
I don't think Wolvie/X-men was a bad book at all, but Bachalo isn't an artist that fits X-men to me, and the writing left me cold in a few places. The book, as a whole, wasn't enough to make me want to pick up X-men anymore, so I guess my hiatus stands.
Also, I now assume I was right about Kid Gladiator being a new character? I didn't voice that here but elsewhere. Also, Pod, didn't you say you were gonna do a highlight on New X-men for me? Still waiting, jerk! :D
Quote from: Previsionary on October 28, 2011, 04:11:23 AM
Also, I now assume I was right about Kid Gladiator being a new character? I didn't voice that here but elsewhere. Also, Pod, didn't you say you were gonna do a highlight on New X-men for me? Still waiting, jerk! :D
Yeah Kid Gladiator is a new character I'm pretty sure. I like him in theory, having an arrogant alien likely will fit with this goofy setup Aaron seems to have built, can't say much about the actual character yet. However, presumably he's the son of Gladiator which I don't think fits into continuity.
Yes...I keep forgetting about that highlight. I'll see if I can get it finished sometime soon.
Read Uncanny #1. A few thoughts:
1. Sinister is back. This isn't a spoiler since it happened in the last issue of Uncanny's OTHER run. *sigh*
2. What happened to Colossus's hair? Apparently, I missed something. I assume it's related to Fear Itself as I do recall Colossus taking on a Juggernaut like appearance in teasers.
3. Hope Summers should NOT be on this team. If she's the "messiah," you'd think Cyclops would keep her OUT of the line of fire as much as possible. Why has that changed?
4. Emma... well, I hope someone can pull a Jean and help her out.
5. Storm... *sigh*
6. Nice to see Psylocke heading her own team and Jubilee/Domino are a part of it. That's a trio of women + Warpath I can get behind.
7. Glad X-man is back in action. I guess the whole summers clan will be around for the Phoenix crap.
8. This has nothing to do with Uncanny, but I now know where the "Kitty is pregnant" rumors came from.
Overall, I liked Jason's X-men book much more than this one. I definitely don't like the personality Sinister has this time around. Maybe they should have spent more time on giving Ms. Sinister something to do. I did approve of the art more so in this book than Aaron's, however, even if it was a little bland/boring.
I think my major problem with this book is that none of the characters on the team appeal to me. Kieron is left with the characters that were oversaturated all through Fraction's run and the X-books in general. Half the team hasn't done anything of interest in years, and that includes Storm and Colossus who have been major background characters since Utopia began. Storm has not been developed ONE BIT since she returned to the X-men. She might as well still be in Africa. Her last X-contribution was in a mini... and an event that was Black Panther related. What does she really have to offer at this point? This is the problem I've had with the X-men for a while now. The writers chose to focus so much on their "leading" X-team that the other characters have become minimalized. They have no one to blame for that but themselves. This will be quite the hurdle for Kieron to overcome. Also, why is it that the Scott/Emma relationship still has no depth? It's been over a decade, right? At some point, writers need to stop treating her as "Jean's replacement" and give Scott and Emma a real bond beyond superficial. I guess it doesn't really matter if they're going to go through with the Namor/Emma stuff, so whatever.
2) Colossus is the new avatar of Cyttorak, aka he is the new Juggernaut. Apparently that means he has to be bald.
I read Uncanny and I liked it, can't say it wowed me or anything though. I'll give the next issue a try.
Quote from: Podmark on November 04, 2011, 12:38:57 AM
I read Uncanny and I liked it, can't say it wowed me or anything though. I'll give the next issue a try.
Stop being contrary to me. You obviously want our rivalry to respark. Keep it up, Podmark. Keep. It. Up. :angry:
I read Wolverine and the X-Men last week, and I also thought it was a very fun first issue. I'm planning to keep reading it for now. I read Uncanny this issue and I liked it. Not great but decent, and I'll probably give it another issue or two to see if I like it enough to stick around.
So what's up with you guys not telling me Storm was becoming an official Avenger... under Bendis's pen. It's cool that Storm is finally becoming one after the tease of her becoming one decades ago and her role in Marvel Adventures, but... I don't know how I feel about Bendis writing her.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/10/15/storm-avengers-nycc2011-bendis-acuna/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter
Just finished reading Fear Itself #7.1 and...
Spoiler
Bucky's death has already been retconed. I'm glad. The death was uneventful and Bucky has become one of my favorite Marvel characters. Looking forward to the new Winter Soldier series.
Is it me or is the New Ultimate Spider-Man series the greatest thing ever? :wub:
Quote from: murs47 on November 09, 2011, 10:29:15 PM
Is it me or is the New Ultimate Spider-Man series the greatest thing ever? :wub:
It is the greatest thing ever, Murs.
so good old norman has combined, the remaining hammer, AIM and hydra into one big super organisation, and is starting off his dark avengers again. some interesting choices
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on November 10, 2011, 10:44:34 PM
so good old norman has combined, the remaining hammer, AIM and hydra into one big super organisation, and is starting off his dark avengers again. some interesting choices
I am so confused by all of his choices for "Avengers". They are so random.
Out of some perverse masochism I keep reading Avengers books written by Bendis, and a theme he keeps coming back to (and one other writers have used before) is really sticking in my craw - that normal people are sick of/blame superheroes for the deaths & destruction caused by villains. It's going on in a couple of the Avengers books right now - with Wonder Man & his recruits deciding that the Avengers must be stopped for those reasons, and in the recent Avengers 18 a former SHIELD tech goes to Norman Osbourn and his super group with secrets she's accumulated for basically the same thing.
What bothers me mainly, aside from the crushing pessimism, is how stupid it is. How many Marvel superheroes have ever saved a city? The planet? The universe? These dumb #$@% who bemoan the existence of superheroes would feel pretty stupid if the universe had been destroyed. How many exploded cars or buildings are worth a whole universe? Because I'd imagine it's a lot.
Some writers have made the argument that supervillainy wouldn't exist without the heroes (Avengers 18 specifically shows Civil War, Secret Invasion, Fear Itself in this light) but it's so easy to disprove. Take just those 3 events: Civil War, sure, it only happened because of superheroes/villains, and the result was pretty stupid. Secret Invasion might not have happened exactly without superheroes, but earth would have been conquered by the Skrulls or Kree (or destroyed by either one) long ago, Marvel time. And Fear Itself was the result of an evil Norse god escaping his captivity - something completely beyond the scope of human civilization.
And finally, I just don't buy the malaise and disinterest Bendis has a lot of normal people show for superheroes. In the real world, people near worship celebrities and athletes because they pretend to be or resemble something actually heroic. Someone who makes a living saving bystanders from instant death? They'd be rock stars.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on November 10, 2011, 10:44:34 PM
so good old norman has combined, the remaining hammer, AIM and hydra into one big super organisation, and is starting off his dark avengers again. some interesting choices
I hope he gets his own book rather than be an event villain... I LOVED dark avengers.
So Fantastic Four #600 came out yesterday at a price of $7.99. Damn was it worth it. One of the most, if not the most, awesome milestone issues ever. Hickman's really weaving a grand tale here.
Quote from: murs47 on November 24, 2011, 06:58:11 PM
So Fantastic Four #600 came out yesterday at a price of $7.99. Damn was it worth it. One of the most, if not the most, awesome milestone issues ever. Hickman's really weaving a grand tale here.
For $8, it had better be worth that and more. In fact, it better have taken a good 10+ minutes to read that book plus extras... REAL extras, not the reprint/sketches stuff that Marvel constantly tries to get away with.
Funny thing bout FF #600, Marvel once again spoiled it early that morning which caused some of Marvel's writers/editors/artists to debate spoilers and deaths with some fans. When a company keeps finding itself in the position where its employees have to keep explaining their decisions, then perhaps it needs to ALTER the way it handles some things.
So...what's been happening with the Fantastic Four these days? Care to give some spoilers? :)
Quote from: Previsionary on November 25, 2011, 03:59:38 PM
For $8, it had better be worth that and more. In fact, it better have taken a good 10+ minutes to read that book plus extras... REAL extras, not the reprint/sketches stuff that Marvel constantly tries to get away with.
Funny thing bout FF #600, Marvel once again spoiled it early that morning which caused some of Marvel's writers/editors/artists to debate spoilers and deaths with some fans. When a company keeps finding itself in the position where its employees have to keep explaining their decisions, then perhaps it needs to ALTER the way it handles some things.
It was about a 100 pages. All stories written by Hickman, but a different artist for each story. Luckily I wasn't paying attention to the news or anything like that on Wednesday. Just got my issue and read it. Pure awesome.
Quote from: Outcast on November 25, 2011, 05:21:06 PM
So...what's been happening with the Fantastic Four these days? Care to give some spoilers? :)
A lot really. I don't even know where to begin. It reminds me a lot of Kirkman's Invincible. So many plots going on but issue 600 really tied them all together in grand fashion.
I passed by our local comic shop today and saw the cover. It's been a while....so i was surprised to see the new costumes. :)
Quote from: murs47 on November 25, 2011, 11:33:31 PM
It was about a 100 pages. All stories written by Hickman, but a different artist for each story.
A lot really. I don't even know where to begin. It reminds me a lot of Kirkman's Invincible. So many plots going on but issue 600 really tied them all together in grand fashion.
Hmm...i see what you mean with it having lots of stories and plots. Found this review just recently.
Spoiler
http://www.examiner.com/comic-books-in-tulsa/fantastic-four-reaches-its-600th-issue-milestone (http://www.examiner.com/comic-books-in-tulsa/fantastic-four-reaches-its-600th-issue-milestone)
And no wonder the price is higher....100 pages... :mellow:....I've also read that Johnny is back (from the dead?). I'm curious as to how he came back....
Well, Outcast:
Spoiler
Johnny was never confirmed or shown as dead. He was just trapped in another dimension with a gang of bads jumping him while he suddenly forgot how to use his powers effectively. Most of us figured he'd return sooner rather than later in this very thread.
Unfortunately, I can't tell you how any of thing has gone with the FF since BEFORE Johnny was removed from the team because I dropped it a long time ago, and Murs replaced me as a frequent buyer. :D
I've glanced through some new books recently (as of two-three weeks ago), and a lot has changed from the time I was reading, and I wasn't all that impressed with many of the decisions/story arcs. I also don't like the Hawkeye/Mockingbird situation, and Hawkeye's "new" costume. :(
Quote from: Previsionary on November 26, 2011, 06:06:09 PM
Spoiler
Johnny was never confirmed or shown as dead. He was just trapped in another dimension with a gang of bads jumping him while he suddenly forgot how to use his powers effectively. Most of us figured he'd return sooner rather than later in this very thread.
Good point there... especially the one wherein he suddenly forgot..:P
Quote from: Previsionary on November 26, 2011, 06:06:09 PM
Unfortunately, I can't tell you how any of thing has gone with the FF since BEFORE Johnny was removed from the team because I dropped it a long time ago, and Murs replaced me as a frequent buyer. :D
That's ok. I have a feeling Murs is preparing a long list of spoilers to fill us in on what's been happening. Or i could just try the ever reliable world wide web. :P
Quote from: Previsionary on November 26, 2011, 06:06:09 PM
I've glanced through some new books recently (as of two-three weeks ago), and a lot has changed from the time I was reading, and I wasn't all that impressed with many of the decisions/story arcs. I also don't like the Hawkeye/Mockingbird situation, and Hawkeye's "new" costume. :(
I also saw Hawkeye on a comic book cover...i think it was Avenger's Solo. Can't say that i like the costume either, and Hawkeye's a favorite character of mine. I think i still prefer his classic look with the arm bands?
What's happening with the Hawkeye/Mockingbird situation? Don't tell me they are fighting again? :doh:
QuoteGood point there... especially the one wherein he suddenly forgot.
Spoiler
He goes nova twice after the door shuts. Plus, they capture him in that mob mess.
QuoteThat's ok. I have a feeling Murs is preparing a long list of spoilers to fill us in on what's been happening. Or i could just try the ever reliable world wide web.
Lol sorry Mr. Cast, the world wide is more reliable.
QuoteWhat's happening with the Hawkeye/Mockingbird situation?
Spoiler
Hawkeye and Spider-Woman are now dating.
Quote from: murs47 on November 27, 2011, 04:16:15 PM
QuoteGood point there... especially the one wherein he suddenly forgot.
Spoiler
He goes nova twice after the door shuts. Plus, they capture him in that mob mess.
Well, that explain things a lot better... :wacko:... though last i knew of the Human Torch's powers was that he could only go Nova once and he'll become extremely weak after that or faint even? But that was a loooooong time ago. And if his Nova range didn't cover/reach/burn the whole mob...then he could be captured...
Quote from: murs47 on November 27, 2011, 04:16:15 PM
QuoteWhat's happening with the Hawkeye/Mockingbird situation?
Spoiler
Hawkeye and Spider-Woman are now dating.
Well....Spider-Woman is quite a babe. But...but....what about Mockingbird? How did all this happen? :blink:
Dont know if anyone is reading Punisher Max but I highly recommend it... Also because...
Spoiler
I think everyone is going to die... Frank Castle, The Kingpin, Elektra, etc. I think he is taking advantage that it is Max to go 100% out of continuity, which is a rare treat in this day and age. Also the story has been great, good art and Aaron is great at giving everyone a voice.
Quote from: Outcast on November 27, 2011, 02:46:10 PM
I also saw Hawkeye on a comic book cover...i think it was Avenger's Solo. Can't say that i like the costume either, and Hawkeye's a favorite character of mine. I think i still prefer his classic look with the arm bands?
The costume Hawkeye's wearing in Avengers Solo, including on the covers, IIRC, is the one he's been wearing since the Heroic Age branding began.
http://marvel.wikia.com/File:1238846-1147879_1116841_iamanavenger_avengers_04_super.jpg (http://marvel.wikia.com/File:1238846-1147879_1116841_iamanavenger_avengers_04_super.jpg)
This is his new costume; I'm not sure if it's debuted yet or not:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/201202/SECAVN2010022_cov.jpg (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/201202/SECAVN2010022_cov.jpg)
Is Marvel throwing stuff against the wall since they are going to "reboot" their universe next year?
Marvel's re-booting their universe?
Quote from: Silver Shocker on November 29, 2011, 03:37:22 AM
The costume Hawkeye's wearing in Avengers Solo, including on the covers, IIRC, is the one he's been wearing since the Heroic Age branding began.
http://marvel.wikia.com/File:1238846-1147879_1116841_iamanavenger_avengers_04_super.jpg (http://marvel.wikia.com/File:1238846-1147879_1116841_iamanavenger_avengers_04_super.jpg)
Yeah, that's the one (the one that i can't say that i like that much). I thought the Heroic Age costume was still the latest of Hawkeye's costumes. I guess i was wrong. :doh:
Quote from: Silver Shocker on November 29, 2011, 03:37:22 AM
This is his new costume; I'm not sure if it's debuted yet or not:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/201202/SECAVN2010022_cov.jpg (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/201202/SECAVN2010022_cov.jpg)
I get the feeling that they made this Hawkeye's new costume, so that fans can appreciate him more in the upcoming Avengers movie. But it looks alright i guess. I think Clint's a little more confident and sure of himself now. Enough to go like Steve Rogers (by not wearing a mask anymore?). Well, he's always been kind of reckless and doesn't mind showing his true identity..(well, in some comic issues i've read that is... :unsure:)...add the super registration act event...makes sense i guess. :blink:
And further internet investigations on this Hawkeye and Spider-Woman situation led me to this old but funny video.
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Parental Guidance is advised... :mellow:http://www.youtube.com/user/avengersweb#p/u/12/MGpgWPQDDws (http://www.youtube.com/user/avengersweb#p/u/12/MGpgWPQDDws)
Edited to add: Marvel is going like DC's new 52? :o
There was a little promotional poster at my comic shop that seemed to promise "the new Marvel universe" in 2012. I just assumed they were copying DC and rebooting. I don't really know for sure.
You know, I may be misunderstanding the "Point One" promotions. http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/story/2011-11-09/Point-One-teases-a-new-year-of-Marvel-Comics/51133222/1
Quote from: Xenolith on November 29, 2011, 06:31:52 PM
There was a little promotional poster at my comic shop that seemed to promise "the new Marvel universe" in 2012. I just assumed they were copying DC and rebooting. I don't really know for sure.
True or not, my first thought:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qdn4YBwIPo
Uhmmm Marvel isn't planning a 52 event. If you are referring to Point One that is just an interwoven story line - just like every event Marvel does now.
Anybody who knows me... knows I'm a life long fan of this character and now I'm very happy again!
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I SEE NOVA!!!!
He's back from the abyss yet again... damn you Marvel for all these times you've depowered him or cast him from the universe altogether.
Quote from: Vertex on November 29, 2011, 06:58:21 PM
Anybody who knows me... knows I'm a life long fan of this character and now I'm very happy again!
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I SEE NOVA!!!!
He's back from the abyss yet again... damn you Marvel for all these times you've depowered him or cast him from the universe altogether.
I too am super excited about the apparent return of...that character, except for one thing: he's apparently being written by Jeph Loeb.
The heck? I thought Jeph Loeb gave up comics to do the whole TV thing he's the head of. That was the reason he quit Hulk and his VERY, VERY late Ultimate X comic. I'm sure this would bother me more if I bought comics like I used to, but for now, he;s not my problem. :D
At this point I could care less who writes for him...
Just so long as after all is said and done... he's alive, has his powers and active for future story use for a change.
K, so I'm making a team of avengers based on semi-modern looks (nothing to do with FR, it's for me personally) so I am trying, tentatively you understand, to find out what's occurring with the 616 Avengers. Now, I haven't really kept up with Marvel in a long while, and I haven't really read Avengers since... the end of Civil War? Yeah, I'm a lot behind. Granted, I've read a few scattered things here and there (I actually do need to catch up on YA, since I only read the first few issues of Children's Crusade) but there are certain things I'm trying to piece together right now, and google isn't nearly as big a help as it normally is.
I've got a couple dozen questions but, for right now, I'm gonna focus in on the Pym-clan. Most of these I've asked prem, but (as usual) he was of no real help.
-What's going on with Janet right now? I know that she's supposedly dead (which I expect will last juuust as long as it takes them to get the two of them in an Avengers movie) but I'm more wondering what's going on with her coming back? From what I've found ala google, her body was supposedly floating in some other dimension, and then they found out it wasn't her, or something. Can anyone clarify exactly what's going on with her?
-So I know Hank finally stopped mourning Janet long enough to realize that taking the Wasp identity was kinda creepy (you have enough identities dude, no point stealing other people's) and went back to Giant Man... has he changed since then? Trying to keep up with Pym's identities is like trying to understand why Joey Q. is allowed to run marvel the way he does (hint: it's not run very well).
-From what I've discerned from Google, Lang is apparently not dead anymore (which seems pointless to me... his replacements in O'Grady and Stature are far more interesting anyway), but I've not been able to find out anything concrete about him since. I did hear one rumor that he's becoming the new Yellowjacket, but it's unsubstantiated and I can't find any pictures of him in costume.
-O'Grady... W.T.F? He had a sweet, well designed, modern Ant-man costume... but all I can find now is this blah Hank-Pym throwback thing. He should fire his designer.
-Janet is still dead. The body that Hank found in under space was Korvac's bride.
-Hank is still Giant-Man. He's the Headmaster of Avengers Academy (now located in the west coast), and it appears he'll be joining the Secret Avengers.
-Scott Lang is back currently in Children's Crusade due to time traveling shenanigans, but I wouldn't guarantee him staying that way. He hasn't made any appearances outside of that book yet. I like Scott so I'm very happy to see him back.
-Blame Ed Brubaker, he wanted O'Grady in the classic costume. O'Grady is still appearing but I'm not 100% sure which ones, he's been in upcoming images for Secret Avengers, Defenders, and one of those post Fear Itself minis.
Hank is in the only good Avengers ongoing, Avengers Academy, which I highly recommend.
Hank, Hawkeye, Captain Britain (<3), and Venom will soon join Secret Avengers, a book I've heard very little about since before Brubaker left it.
Vert, as I recall, you liked Hulk at one point while it was written by Jeph, right? Jeph is a writer that scares me just because he can write some very action-esque stuff... but it usually the WORST traits of an action comic. He did a lot of harm in the Hulk universe and it took a few years + Greg Pak/Jeff Parker/Fred Van Lente to actually clean all that up. I dunno if Nova can afford that considering all the space books are gone, and the #1 space writer team is doing Earth stuff.
Actually, I read a couple of issues of Secret Avengers recently; Warren Ellis has been writing one & done issues for a little while apparently, and the two I read weren't bad. Do the new team members come with a new creative staff? Or is Warren Ellis continuing?
And yes, Jeph Loeb's work on the Hulk was terrible. Nova can't take that kind of abuse. What are Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning (writers of Nova's last series, which was great - along with most of Marvel's recent cosmic stuff) working on now anyway?
Quote from: Talavar on November 30, 2011, 04:10:40 PM
Actually, I read a couple of issues of Secret Avengers recently; Warren Ellis has been writing one & done issues for a little while apparently, and the two I read weren't bad. Do the new team members come with a new creative staff? Or is Warren Ellis continuing?
And yes, Jeph Loeb's work on the Hulk was terrible. Nova can't take that kind of abuse. What are Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning (writers of Nova's last series, which was great - along with most of Marvel's recent cosmic stuff) working on now anyway?
1. Correct, Warren Ellis is writing SA now. I knew about him and his plans before Brubaker was done with his run because Marvel advertised that realllly early. Rick Remender is taking over with issue 21, and Captain Britain will be the catalyst for the story, and it (and Captain Britain) will share a storyline with Uncanny X-force. It's the only reason I'll be picking up a few issues. Gabriel Hardman will do art, and I don't think I've been exposed to him yet.
2. I believe they're still in the X-universe doing New Mutant stuff. Haven't read that book in ages, so I have no idea what's going on with them.
It's that time again. Marvel is hyping it's next, 12 part event:
Avengers vs. X-men (http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/story/2011-12-06/marvel-comics-avengers-x-men/51672784/1)
Seems the book may be following the Messiah Complex model this time around,
... Just when I was starting to have hope for Marvel again... ugh.
I'm cautiously excited about this. But I'm always interested in X-Related stuff.
12 issues is loooong though, I hope it's more than monthly.
And in other news, Bendis is apparently leaving the Avengers books sometime in 2012! Can I hear a hallelujah?
Quote from: Talavar on December 07, 2011, 03:45:58 AM
And in other news, Bendis is apparently leaving the Avengers books sometime in 2012! Can I hear a hallelujah?
Hallelujah! I love some of his other stuff but Avengers has been really BLAH post Secret Invasion.
Quote from: murs47 on December 07, 2011, 05:26:53 AM
Quote from: Talavar on December 07, 2011, 03:45:58 AM
And in other news, Bendis is apparently leaving the Avengers books sometime in 2012! Can I hear a hallelujah?
Hallelujah! I love some of his other stuff but Avengers has been really BLAH post Secret Invasion.
It wasn't much better before Secret Invasion either. It's interesting that he's used pretty much the same characters his whole run.
Article for those that care: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35772
End of that article when bend is says he's been on the avengers longer than any other writer....kinda hard to believe, but I guess it's true. It will be neat to see who steps in for him.
I wouldn't mind seeing pak/van Lente or DnA take it up.theyre both teams that are good with a variety of voices for an ensemble cast. I guess Hickman could do it, but I'd prefer to see two monthly ff titles from him. And keep slott on spidey!
Who else is in the marvel bullpen these days that could handle it? I couldn't imagine Aaron or Remender matching their styles to a flagship book like that.... Maybe Brubaker?
Brubaker needs to remain away from team books because it's not his strong point at all (recall X-men and Secret Avengers, their story lines, their build ups, and how said story lines typically focused on ONE or TWO characters while the others played background support). Jason Aaron actually COULD handle an Avenger book, as he's used the New Avenger team quite a bit in his Wolverine series, and the characters came out fine and, for the most part, fun.
It's hard to say who else could handle those books because Marvel only really promotes 5-6 writers while their other writers get no real focus or public support as compared to their "pillars of Marvel." I have a feeling that if Slott is up to it again, he may get a book back, and the other books will go to other members of "the pillar," the teams will get more diverse, and perhaps long forgotten members will reappear. They might tap into Jeff Parker, Christos Gage, and/or Jim McCann as well. If Paul Cornell were still around for Marvel to use, I think he'd make a nice "side" Avengers writer considering how well he wrote CB&MI:13.
Remender would be an excellent choice for an Avenger's book. I didn't warm up to him until the second X-Force arc, but by golly, the man can write a team book. Yost & Kyle back together again for an Avengers book could be awesome as well.
Remender will be writing Secret Avengers soon.
I doubt it will be Slott, he can just barely do two books a month and I don't see him leaving Spidey anytime soon.
Hey, anyone else think that the polybagging of this week's Uncanny X-Force (#18) was a bit overkill? There wasn't really anything that happened that would make it a "collector's item."
Also, as a shameless self-promotion, I wrote a bit about some of this week's comics here (http://www.pizzaxtremeteam.com/2011/12/15/the-pull-list-2-electric-boogaloo-review/).
Polybagging is just Marvel's latest gimmick to get people interested. It's less about collectors items and more about getting attention. They've done it tons of times and only a few books were actually worth it, and those ones were spoiled in the news.
I really enjoyed Uncanny X-Force though. Genesis in particular caught my interest.
Yeah, Genesis was probably my favorite part of the issue. The idea of
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a teenage Apocalypse with a semi-Superman upbringing and Rouge-like southern accent
makes me giddy. I hope they keep him around.
I also enjoyed the art shift for the 3 pages that take place in Angel's mind.
Guuuuuys, I'm kinda excited about these new "Season 1" books, specifically the Dr. Strange and Hulk ones.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/12/16/doctor-strange-season-one-greg-pak-emma-rios-exclusiv/
I must say, Marvel gave me an awesome early Christmas gift with the latest issues of FF, X-Force, and Ultimate Spidey. Well done, Marvel. Well. Done.
I'm looking forward to how Genesis will develop in time. Hopefully it isn't rushed.
Plus:
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AoA Nightcrawler joining X-Force = awesome!
don't forget to include Wolverine and the X-Men and Amazing Spider-man in that list ;)
Quote from: murs47 on December 21, 2011, 08:46:45 PM
I must say, Marvel gave me an awesome early Christmas gift with the latest issues of FF, X-Force, and Ultimate Spidey. Well done, Marvel. Well. Done.
I'm looking forward to how Genesis will develop in time. Hopefully it isn't rushed.
Plus: Spoiler
AoA Nightcrawler joining X-Force = awesome!
I don't remember a lot about that character, but I'm glad a version of him is back in action (or several versions of him). I wonder how the other x-men will react to his presence.
In other news, reports are going around that Marvel supports SOPA (stop online privacy act). That's very disheartening for me to hear.
Quote from: Previsionary on December 23, 2011, 04:45:48 PM
In other news, reports are going around that Marvel supports SOPA (stop online privacy act). That's very disheartening for me to hear.
I believe that's true, and while disheartening, it doesn't surprise me. Marvel is, and is owned by, a movie company now, and the major impetus for SOPA has come from the Motion Picture Association of America's lobbyists and government toadies.
Wolverine and the X-Men #4 came out yesterday and I wanted to say that I'm loving this book. It's just so much fun. This issue added Angel and Genesis to the class.
Christos Gage's run on X-Men Legacy also started this week, I really enjoyed that as well. It feels very similar to where Carey left off and I like that. Also Cannonball got a cool new costume.
Scarlet Spider also started this week. I quite liked it and Chris Yost has a solid handle on Kaine.
So good comic week for me.
Quote from: Podmark on January 13, 2012, 12:57:17 AM
Wolverine and the X-Men #4 came out yesterday and I wanted to say that I'm loving this book. It's just so much fun. This issue added Angel and Genesis to the class.
Christos Gage's run on X-Men Legacy also started this week, I really enjoyed that as well. It feels very similar to where Carey left off and I like that. Also Cannonball got a cool new costume.
Scarlet Spider also started this week. I quite liked it and Chris Yost has a solid handle on Kaine.
So good comic week for me.
Wolvie and the X-Men is my favorite comic of the moment and I really hope the artist from issue 4 stays on. It's very Art Adams and I admired his work so much growing up.
Legacy was just ok for me. It's funny how I use to hate the X-books and I've been drawn in again.
Scarlet Spider = Dexter with Spider-Powers and I love it.
Which Angel? Angel S... the non-mutant? I dunno who Genesis is, so who is that?
Quote from: Previsionary on January 13, 2012, 04:04:19 AM
Which Angel? Angel S... the non-mutant? I dunno who Genesis is, so who is that?
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Archangel became Apocangel in X-Force. Betsy had to find something called a lifeseed to save him from himself. She delivered the "deathblow" to Apocangel which reverted him to Archangel. In a really sweet but messed up fashion, Betsy cast an illusion that he spent his life with her and he died a nature life. When he awakened he thought he was an "angel" and has the ability to restore life (left over Chuck Austen nonsense).
At the same time, Poccylyps had a clone made of him which named itself Genesis. Genesis was convinced her was raised by Ultmon and Uncle Charlie Cluster-7 in this "Clark Kent" midwest by Fantomax. He is called Evan.
Personally I think Psylocke is the reason Angel doesn't remember who he is. She forced his mind to live this whole life with her with children and old age and eventually death and when he awoke, he was "new".
I still need to know where Broo comes from, what are Bamfs, and how is Quentin now dead?
Thanks, AA. i plan on reading that story in TPB form, so once I knew where it was from, I skipped the majority of your post. I hope that's okay. Don't wanna be ruuuuude.
Broo is the little alien/Brood, right? If so, he's from an Astonishing storyline that wrapped up last year while the X-men were in space. Storm and team brought him back to earth with them. I posted a scan from that arc somewhere (I know it's on G+) because the brood infected X-men were weird looking, and Kitty had GIANT, Angelina-esque lips for some reason.
The bamfs... I don't know where the current version hails from, but they're a classic creation/villain from when Illyana was a child, and she and Kitty actually had a developed relationship. They used to be a fairy tale creature, then they turned out to be real, alternate versions of NC. I assume the versions that showed up in WatX are the same ones from that alternate reality.
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Quentin, i doubt he's dead. I heard he was going to be facing Wolverine soon in a spin-off mini that ties into the current ongoing. Or do you mean how is he "not" dead? Nation X + Schism answer that. Or is this something specific to the current issue?
Quote from: Previsionary on January 13, 2012, 08:22:26 AM
Broo is the little alien/Brood, right?
Broo isn't short for Brubaker?
Quote from: Previsionary on January 13, 2012, 08:22:26 AM
Thanks, AA. i plan on reading that story in TPB form, so once I knew where it was from, I skipped the majority of your post. I hope that's okay. Don't wanna be ruuuuude.
Broo is the little alien/Brood, right? If so, he's from an Astonishing storyline that wrapped up last year while the X-men were in space. Storm and team brought him back to earth with them. I posted a scan from that arc somewhere (I know it's on G+) because the brood infected X-men were weird looking, and Kitty had GIANT, Angelina-esque lips for some reason.
The bamfs... I don't know where the current version hails from, but they're a classic creation/villain from when Illyana was a child, and she and Kitty actually had a developed relationship. They used to be a fairy tale creature, then they turned out to be real, alternate versions of NC. I assume the versions that showed up in WatX are the same ones from that alternate reality.
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Quentin, i doubt he's dead. I heard he was going to be facing Wolverine soon in a spin-off mini that ties into the current ongoing. Or do you mean how is he "not" dead? Nation X + Schism answer that. Or is this something specific to the current issue?
I meant "not". :)
Wow so Broo isn't a brand new character? Didn't know that. Respect for Arron rising.
So I picked up Ultimate Comics Spider-Man, Uncanny X-Force, and The Avengers. Here are my thoughts:
Ultimate Comics Spider-Man #6
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Ultimate Spider-Man continues to be a delight. It's revealed that Miles' uncle is Ultimate Prowler. We meet a new Ultimate Scorpion in Mexico. Miles has a heart-to-heart with his mom after a public battle with some thieves. Ganke (his comic fanboy best friend) tell him he needs to be Peter Parker but only better since Parker died being Spidey. J.J. gets wind of the new Spidey. Uncle Aaron is in a Mexican prison after a deal gone sour with Scorpion and demanding for the guard to read a newspaper about the new Spider-Man to him.
Uncanny X-Force #20
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Uncanny X-Force was just amazing. Otherworld, Captain Britain, Parliament, Jamie Braddock reformed, oh and Psylocke restored to her original body and in a Captain Britain costume. :)
The Avengers #21
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The Avengers was the most boring title I've read from Marvel in some times despite it being ALL-ACTION. Bendis should really stick to Ultimate Comics because that is really the only place he shines now.
So..
The X-men books are awful again. To me, anyway.
Thunderbolts is awesome. So is Villains for Hire. (Too bad that's only a mini.) I'm looking forward to the new Secret Avengers.. I enjoyed the interaction in the last issue.
That's really about it, unfortunately. Oh, Avengers Academy is ok. I guess.
Quote from: laughing paradox on February 23, 2012, 04:11:06 AM
So..
The X-men books are awful again. To me, anyway.
Read Uncanny X-Force and Wolverine and the X-Men, they are the only two comics by Marvel worth reading on a monthly basis.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on February 23, 2012, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: laughing paradox on February 23, 2012, 04:11:06 AM
So..
The X-men books are awful again. To me, anyway.
Read Uncanny X-Force and Wolverine and the X-Men, they are the only two comics by Marvel worth reading on a monthly basis.
QFT, also he Alpha and Omega miniseries is good right now, got a cool vibe to it that feeds off of the wolverine and the x-men series vibe.
AA, what happened to your love for Ultimate Spider-Man?
I've said it before but I love Wolverine and the X-Men and I've been enjoying Legacy, Uncanny X-Force and to a lesser extent Uncanny X-Men.
I tried the Alpha and Omega mini, but it wasn't working for me.
Quote from: murs47 on February 23, 2012, 03:10:30 PM
AA, what happened to your love for Ultimate Spider-Man?
While I still love the writing it is feeling a little slow the last two issues but I think next issue will be great.
Aren't you guys looking forward to the avengers vs. x-men event, the Four Circles (?) event with ghost rider/venom/etc, and the Spidey event?
Quote from: Previsionary on February 24, 2012, 01:24:00 AM
Aren't you guys looking forward to the avengers vs. x-men event, the Four Circles (?) event with ghost rider/venom/etc, and the Spidey event?
I'm looking forward to the event where they fire the next writer or editor to use the word 'event'.
^LOL
Is it just me or has Marvel begun to jump the shark with the overuse of some of their characters? I mean, Spidey has who knows how many comics now plus he's an avenger, a member of the FF, and at times passing by the X-Men, Wolvie seems to be every bloody place you look, and Hawkeye is in quite a few of the Avengers, a teacher for Avengers Acadamy, and appearing in Spidey's books also. Plus the fact that didn't they just kill Bucky and Thor after bringing them back from the dead like not too long ago. What the 'ell?!?! Were they brought back to just to have someone to kill again?
I personally cannot get into Wolverine and the X-men.. I find the art terrible (I found his art better in the first issues of Generation X), the story isn't the kind I like to read (Let's nano ourselves into Kitty's now-Brood-pregnant body.. oh, and Logan gets all intergalactic with Quentin!) It's too space-y for my taste, and it's only a few issues in. I was expecting more of a grounded take on the new school.
The story arc in Uncanny X-Force is not my cup of tea, either. I don't like X-Force.. a team created to hunt down and terminate threats to the mutant race.. going on mystical other-dimensional adventures when, again, there is enough on the planet to contend with. With the previous story arc, and the team going to the AOA universe, it was more organic and made sense. This is just.. eh? I'm looking forward to the next storyline though.
I actually forgot to mention Ultimate Spider-Man. That really is a great story. The latest issue was pretty, pretty good.
LP, if you haven't already, you might want to check Mark Waid's Daredevil and Dan Slott's Amazing Spiderman. Simply put, they are fun.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on January 13, 2012, 05:35:57 AM
Quote from: Previsionary on January 13, 2012, 04:04:19 AM
Which Angel? Angel S... the non-mutant? I dunno who Genesis is, so who is that?
Spoiler
Archangel became Apocangel in X-Force. Betsy had to find something called a lifeseed to save him from himself. She delivered the "deathblow" to Apocangel which reverted him to Archangel. In a really sweet but messed up fashion, Betsy cast an illusion that he spent his life with her and he died a nature life. When he awakened he thought he was an "angel" and has the ability to restore life (left over Chuck Austen nonsense).
At the same time, Poccylyps had a clone made of him which named itself Genesis. Genesis was convinced her was raised by Ultmon and Uncle Charlie Cluster-7 in this "Clark Kent" midwest by Fantomax. He is called Evan.
Personally I think Psylocke is the reason Angel doesn't remember who he is. She forced his mind to live this whole life with her with children and old age and eventually death and when he awoke, he was "new".
I still need to know where Broo comes from, what are Bamfs, and how is Quentin now dead?
That made my head hurt.
Dana
Quote from: Epimethee on February 26, 2012, 05:18:57 PM
LP, if you haven't already, you might want to check Mark Waid's Daredevil and Dan Slott's Amazing Spiderman. Simply put, they are fun.
I'll give them a shot. I know Black Cat was in a recent Daredevil issue, and I'm a fan of that character. I know there's a big storyline bringing back the Sinister Six, so I may check that out when it comes out.
Forgot to say that I love X-Factor. I've been re-reading the issues from the beginning (with Rictor wanting to commit suicide for losing his powers) and the run is just.. fantastic.
So Children's Crusade finally wrapped up and I have to say I found the ending quite depressing. Not the way I wanted the Young Avengers to end up.
Yeah it was a big ball of depressing.
Ono! Any hints as to what happened for those of us that don't read the books but have love for the characters?
Half the YA dies, Doom loses, Scarlet Witch is Marvel's Hal Jordon.
Oh, wait, that was issue 8.
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Cassie dies fighting Doom. Iron Lad wants to prevent her dying through the magic of time travel. When Teen!Vision tells him not to, Iron Lad throws a gasket and murders Vision. Then he leaves, ranting and raving like the villain-in-the-making that he is. The Young Avengers retire from being superheroes, Patriot says he's going to move out of the city to live with his mom, Wican and Hulkling discuss getting married and have a oncreen kiss, we get a sequence of events showing the Young Avengers watching the news and reacting to events such as Spider-Island and Schism, and it's now months later and the Avengers invite them to show up at the Avengers mansion courtyard, where the Avengers tell the YA kids that they're full-fledged Avengers in their eyes, and show them new statues of Stature, Teen!Vision and the Scott Lang version of Ant-Man (who's still alive, but may have also retired from being a superhero.
Yeah, I also found it depressing and a bit disappointing. I was hoping Heinberg would pass the torch to future writers ala Arnold in "The Rundown" ("Have Fun!") and....yeah.
*sigh* Glad I didnt stick with that book then. This is more disappointing than finding out Hulk Hogan has a naughty tape out, though that was more shocking and horrifying.
AA, you and I should talk more to remedy this problem. Silver Shocker, I'm glad you randomly pop up to answer questions. Podmark, you may live.
Quote from: Previsionary on March 10, 2012, 06:01:47 AMPodmark, you may live.
Uh thanks?
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Cassie was my favorite YA, and I always hoped they'd try to go the opposite route with Iron Lad. And the whole ending just had this big depressing feel to it. I was really disappointed. I love that Scott Lang is back (and hate the Eric O'Grady is apparently dead) but it wasn't worth the price, not even close.
so marvel took one of they're first extremely popular teams of new characters dragged the story out for months with delays and they just whizzed(bloody censors) them all away because they couldn't be bothered
i grew up as a marvel fan but this just shows why for every marvel book i buy there are 4 dc ones on my pull list
as for AvsX i will give it one issue to see if it gets my attention, and that is only due to my love for frank cho's artwork
DC isn't much better in that regard, so you're not standing on a firm boat, UE. Also, this YA mini introduces so many continuity problems that they were better off leaving it a 6 issue mini about, and only about, the YA and SW. Also, how more hypocritical and annoying can they make Cyclops at this point? Stop doing that to his character. It's gone way too far now. I can't stomach him as a character at all now.
Aside: I like how character deaths are now handle by Marvel. Characters are literally ignoring and avoiding helping dying members now. And here I thought NC's death was bad. Get ready for another one, as Marvel has already announced that ANOTHER avenger will die in the upcoming AvX event. I wonder who will replace that (most likely male) member.
Another note: they need to find a new scapegoat and leave Doom alone for a while. He's done so much damage over the past 5 years to the hero community that it looks REALLY shady when teams like the Fan4 willingly team up with him. I mean, he started a war with Wakanda and almost killed Storm and Panther (FF, Xmen, and Avenger members), helped to kidnap heroes for that horrid Hulk event, experimented on Thor's people and helped to kill some of them, was involved in Dark Reign, tried to alter time and gain some form of ultimate power in Fan4 (and was never depowered... but was eaten or something), and now he's taking blame for the stuff SW did? Why is Scott threatening Wanda when the ultimate threat to hero kind is apparently Doom. But no, let's let him get away scot-free, as per usual.
I think they ran all that bs to set up the fact that they are doing Avengers vs X-Men...becuase if you look at the ads for it you'll notice that Hope and Scarlet Witch are front and center in them. Not sure though. All I know is I'm getting tired of all the bs both DC and Marvel have pulled int he past two or three years..all their doing is destroying their once great universes.
Having read and processed the last issue, I'm going to add a voice of (admittedly minor) descent here. Are the circumstances between Scarlet Witch being "innocent", Doom once again being evil incarnate, and Cyclops being a total tool here overdone? Of course they are. There are a lot of annoying issues with the series in general that should have been smoothed out over the several months of delays the blasted thing had.
That said though, I admit I'm oddly not upset about one thing in all this...
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Surprisingly, I actually did like how the deaths of Cassie and Vision were handled. Unlike most of the deaths we see in comics, this didn't feel like death for the sake of dumb shock value. One of the things I always appreciated about the Young Avengers books is that despite how obvious something looks (Oh, sidekicks for Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, and Captain America. How original!) each of the characters had a unique history that tied neatly into the Avengers continuity in a way you wouldn't expect at first glace. There's very clearly been a rough plan in place as to who each of these characters were since the series started.
Iron Lad was a unique character because, at the end of the day, no matter how much he tried to change history and become a hero, he was always going to become Kang the Conqueror. As such, I feel like Cassie's death was always going to happen, to be that final catalyst to put him over the edge. And for him to have murdered the Vision, a representation of his continuing heroism... he can't come back from that now, not really.
Yes, it's depressing. It sucks because both characters were among the very few characters created this decade I actually liked. But at the same time, I don't really feel cheated by their deaths either.
Captain Marvel is back... or is she?
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=37616
The writing in the final issue of Young Avengers was not up to Heinberg's usual standard. It felt very artificial.
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Kid Vision's death seemed very gratuitous to me, as my immediate reaction was that it was only done because Bendis had just brought the adult Vision back in the epithet-free Avengers book. I guess some editor thought it would be confusing. Mind you, there are still two Hawkeyes going around, but they're a bit easier to distinguish visually.
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I disagree. Yeah, the fact that original Vision's back says something about it maybe being a little forced, but again, my feeling is that Kid Vision's death served to underline Iron Lad's character arc. Vision was everything good and noble about Iron Lad, and by killing off that part of himself he forever sealed his fate of becoming Kang the conqueror. Besides, it's not like they didn't leave it open for him to come back, since they might as well have come out and yelled THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT HINT HINT with that whole "he's made backups but we don't have a decent body" segment.
Again, my feeling is at least with these deaths, there's a natural progression of the characters. Do I like that some of the few characters at marvel I still care about have died? Not really, no. But at least their deaths served the story, rather than being shoe-horned in for shock value. Besides... this is comics. They'll both be back alive somehow in a year, and I can think of at least one way they could revive Cassie just off the top of my head.
While the issue as a whole still didn't feel very well written, good point about the evolution of Iron Lad, Tomato.
There are some artists I wish Marvel would use less. This is one of them:
(http://comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/avengers-vs-xmen-2-preveiw-1.jpg)
Someone was paid to do that?!??! For a mainstream comicbook?
Romita Jr?
Quote from: murs47 on March 24, 2012, 03:49:13 PM
Romita Jr?
indeed it is. He has the art duties of issue 2 of the AvX event.
Yuk. At least he's better than his dad.
But there's so much talent out there! Like Weaver! Djurdekshdjfhdjghjghjghkvic! Immonen! C'mon Marvel! Step your game up!
:blink: ok maybe its the headache but really not sure if you guys are serious about the romitas
so cho isn't drawing the entire series, thats just lost them the main selling point for me
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 24, 2012, 08:00:55 PM
so cho isn't drawing the entire series, thats just lost them the main selling point for me
Cho is just drawing issue 0. The main series is by Romita Jr, Coipel, and Kubert.
I'll be getting it, not sure what to expect though.
As for Romita Jr, I used to love him on Spider-Man years ago, but he's dropped a few pegs for me since then.
Guys, no offense, but this is an industry where Liefield and Land still get paid. Romita Jr may not be everyone's favorite, but at least I can look at his artwork without seeing "O" faces on every face or musculature that breaks the laws of physics.
Quote from: Previsionary on March 24, 2012, 01:41:06 PM
There are some artists I wish Marvel would use less. This is one of them:
(http://comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/avengers-vs-xmen-2-preveiw-1.jpg)
Are you sure this wasn't taken from an issue of "What The?!" - You broke my heart JRJr, you broke my heart.
Quote from: Tomato on March 24, 2012, 11:16:21 PM
Guys, no offense, but this is an industry...
I'm offended.
Seriously, Romita Jr. gets work because of the nostalgia factor. There are far better artists for "big" events like this.
Maybe, but they're probably all busy trying to work on comics that actually matter.
I'm a bit shocked by some of the comments on Romita Jr. We're not exactly talking about some Liefield wannabe. His style may not be to everyone's taste and his recent Avengers work was IMO completely uninspired. However, he has at least to be credited for work ranging from very good (his early X-Men work) to truly great (Daredevil and Iron-Man).
Quote from: Podmark on March 24, 2012, 09:19:24 PM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 24, 2012, 08:00:55 PM
so cho isn't drawing the entire series, thats just lost them the main selling point for me
Cho is just drawing issue 0. The main series is by Romita Jr, Coipel, and Kubert.
I'll be getting it, not sure what to expect though.
As for Romita Jr, I used to love him on Spider-Man years ago, but he's dropped a few pegs for me since then.
ok kubert, either is fine with me i'm back in
Quote from: Tomato on March 24, 2012, 11:16:21 PM
Guys, no offense, but this is an industry where Liefield and Land still get paid. Romita Jr may not be everyone's favorite, but at least I can look at his artwork without seeing "O" faces on every face or musculature that breaks the laws of physics.
land i will defend to a degree, he's a cover artist and thats it. he works well on pin ups and splash pages. sequential art should never be attempted
liefeld can go to the holy hell of people with too many pouches and shoulder pads for all i care
No. Don't you dare defend Land. He outright steals work from everything he gets his little thief hands on, most of which is porn (thus why so many "O" faces in his comics). It's well documented.
You know, I think some of the problem with the above work by Romita Jr has to do with the colourist and inker (unless he's inking it himself then he's at fault for sure). I'm not saying that the way he drew Wovie, Giant Man and the rest of the group is good...it isn't...but for me the colour work really sucks compared to some of the work I've seen in the past. Really poor work al the way around!
so, Ironfist is now being tied into the phoenix force. That's JUST what that bird needed, more people tied into its convoluted history:
http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/03/29/new-avengers-25-a-marvel-avengers-vs-x-men-preview/
Quote from: Previsionary on March 30, 2012, 03:20:53 AM
so, Ironfist is now being tied into the phoenix force. That's JUST what that bird needed, more people tied into its convoluted history:
http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/03/29/new-avengers-25-a-marvel-avengers-vs-x-men-preview/
Whu??!?! Okay, that's the ultimate shark jumping moment in Marvel...I say it's time to jump ship on them!!
That's terrible.
...
Since I'm pretty sure either prem told me or I told him about that nonsense like, over a month ago, I'm neither shocked nor disgusted at this point. Heck, this was one of the very first things I found out about the whole "Avengers Vs. X-men" farce, so my opinion of this event was pretty low right out of the gate.
Seriously, this garbage is why I don't read Marvel books with any consistency anymore. DC's new 52 garbage is no less annoying, but at least that provided an opening for some interesting books, whereas Marvel seems intent on destroying all their decent books with BACK TO BACK events that SHAKE ALL OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE.
Ummm... Marvel? Yeah, I just want to read decent books like Secret Avengers without having event crap shoved in my face every other year. It's not going to make me read the event, especially when you consider that I have avoided EVERY SINGLE EVENT POST CIVIL WAR.
i think ironfist is gonna be more of the "anti-phoenix" in the myths the dragon is the opposite or spouse of the phoenix
can someone explain to me why in avengers 24.1 everyone was fecking pink. i mean really bright pink skin tone
Astonishing X-men #48 already has a roster that feels like an old school X-men team. It's great to see characters like Dr. Cecilia Reyes return, and it seems Karma is going to join as well (thanks to the cover), so I'm really looking forward to where this goes. I was pleased to see the villains in this issue, as well.. including its new member(s?). However, who the hell is Jean-Claude?! His name is Jean-Paul!
And why is Marvel hellbent on making Vision an irrational d-bag?
AvX #1 is finally out after being advertised in such an annoying way since November. Did anyone buy it, and if so, what are your thoughts?
Quote from: Previsionary on April 05, 2012, 07:38:20 PM
AvX #1 is finally out after being advertised in such an annoying way since November. Did anyone buy it, and if so, what are your thoughts?
Felt
too contrived (But what isn't these days)
I did read it via a friend and I feel like Bendis leading off the event was not a great idea. The story, thus far, feels too Civil War-esque with the X-men added in, and in fact, the argument Cyclops made to Capt is the same one Emma made to Ironman way back then. That said, Cyclops made several good points in the issue, but he came off as very unlikable, and part of that is due to his development for the past few years. It hasn't been kind to him at all.
Overall, I feel like this was a bland first issue and that it rushed into setting up a conflict. I'm not going to talk about the dialogue at all because, by now, I think many of you know where I stand with that, lol.
I got it. It was pretty much what I expected, forced conflict and poor continuity acknowledgment. Still enjoyed it, but I'm hoping the plot improves.
Having trouble redeeming my digital copy though.
I'm beginning to think that all this bad characterization of Cyclops has to do with something bigger...like maybe their trying to push him towards being the new Magneto or such...you know, humankind must be dealt with type idea...unsure...
I suspect it has something to do with the softening up of Logan over the years, since there's always been that friction between them, now that wolverine's *ahem* matured, they need a new reason for them to be at odds
Art was horrendous. Thank god Romita isnt drawing the entire event.
So, read a review, and I'm hearing Daken is dead? I have to be honest and say that I'm not going to miss him, and his intrigue wore off VERY early in his career. The way his story was shaping up with his desires to outgrow Logan's shadow and figure out his real purpose in the MU was an okay story, and they should respect that narrative for once and allow him to stay gone and buried, if not forever, then for at least half a decade.
Quote from: Previsionary on April 07, 2012, 10:28:05 PM
So, read a review, and I'm hearing Daken is dead? I have to be honest and say that I'm not going to miss him, and his intrigue wore off VERY early in his career. The way his story was shaping up with his desires to outgrow Logan's shadow and figure out his real purpose in the MU was an okay story, and they should respect that narrative for once and allow him to stay gone and buried, if not forever, then for at least half a decade.
I was actually looking at a summary of his last issue the other day, his death seemed a little ambiguous to me though, a no body deal.
However, I'm confused because Daken appears in both Deadpool and Wolverine issues coming out next week, so maybe he is still alive or there's some time line issues going on.
Northstar and his boyfriend are finally important, guys! After finally having their first kiss on panel over in Alpha Flight... months after they were first seen in bed together in one of those X anthology books... and then doing nothing of note together for months afterwards... Marvel has finally found another way to exploit their relationship!
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=57559
It looks like the "Ultimate" universe will finally be crossing over into the "616" universe with Spider-Men this summer.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/04/11/spider-men-peter-parker-miles-morales-ultimate-crossover-bendis-pichelli/ (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/04/11/spider-men-peter-parker-miles-morales-ultimate-crossover-bendis-pichelli/)
Could be interesting.
I feel like Marvel keeps misunderstanding what "accessible" means. Crossovers are what led to the destruction of the Ultimate U the first time.
Exciting news! At least imo, Fraction and Aja are teaming up again for a Hawkeye ongoing series. What they did with Iron Fist was great, I'm hoping for the same results with this.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/04/15/matt-fraction-hawkeye/ (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/04/15/matt-fraction-hawkeye/)
That'll be canceled in under 8 issues. <_< . Actually, maybe not because of Fraction's name despite the last two Hawkeye books lasting 6 issues or less.
ETA:
Congrats to Murs for being the 1900th post in this revamped thread. You did it, Mursy Manilow. You did it!
Quote from: Previsionary on April 16, 2012, 06:01:11 AM
That'll be canceled in under 8 issues. <_< . Actually, maybe not because of Fraction's name despite the last two Hawkeye books lasting 6 issues or less.
You know, I think not. I have a strong feeling Hawkeye's popularity will skyrocket with the upcoming Avengers movie. Jeremy Renner is a beast too.
Just read AvX2 and JR Jr's art was horrendously bad. There were some okay panels but most of it was way below the bar. Not even close to good enough for an event.
As for the story itself...well it's Avengers vs the X-Men alright.
Pod, Ue told me that Cyclops came off in a horrid light. Would you agree? Also, is this book really shipping twice a month for 6 months? That... is a mistake. Cut that in half, Marvel.
Funny I see it the other way around, Steve seems like a big idiot in this to me. But I'm very biased towards the X-Men. I hope they kick some Avenger butt.
Also...
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Paige and Toad?
No, no, just no, no, no, nonono, not in a million years, no, no...
Quote from: Podmark on April 19, 2012, 02:07:03 AM
Funny I see it the other way around, Steve seems like a big idiot in this to me. But I'm very biased towards the X-Men. I hope they kick some Avenger butt.
Also...
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Paige and Toad?
I thought she was still hung up on Angel?!?!?!?!
Quote from: murs47 on April 16, 2012, 04:30:22 AM
Exciting news! At least imo, Fraction and Aja are teaming up again for a Hawkeye ongoing series. What they did with Iron Fist was great, I'm hoping for the same results with this.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/04/15/matt-fraction-hawkeye/ (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/04/15/matt-fraction-hawkeye/)
Wow...Just when I thought Marvel's nu superhero "costumes" couldn't get any more stupid...Hawkeye's proves me wrong.
Dana
Quote from: Deaths Jester on April 20, 2012, 06:05:57 PM
Quote from: Podmark on April 19, 2012, 02:07:03 AM
Funny I see it the other way around, Steve seems like a big idiot in this to me. But I'm very biased towards the X-Men. I hope they kick some Avenger butt.
Also...
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Paige and Toad?
I thought she was still hung up on Angel?!?!?!?!
I loved that bit. It's the little things that Aaron works in to the book that make it worthwhile.... My marvel pull list has really skyrocketed lately as it seems like the writers just want to have fun with the characters.
And the Omega Effect crossover with DD, Punisher and Spider-man? That's been great too.
It's just too bad when former greats like the Captain America line have really been slipping in quality.
Black Fury and Agent Coulson are now canon... ish (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/04/25/agent-coulson-nick-fury-son-battle-scars-616/)
Quote from: Tomato on April 28, 2012, 03:07:12 AM
Black Fury and Agent Coulson are now canon... ish (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/04/25/agent-coulson-nick-fury-son-battle-scars-616/)
GAH!!! That's all I have to say about that...
Marcus Johnson/Nick Fury Jr? Arrgh...Sooooo stupid. Fury Sr really gets around.
Dana
So, I recently discovered that Marvel seems to be starting an ongoing series based on Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Anyone reading that?
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on April 28, 2012, 08:39:47 PM
Marcus Johnson/Nick Fury Jr? Arrgh...Sooooo stupid. Fury Sr really gets around.
Dana
Yep... 2 kids is surely getting around in this modern age, St. Dana of Danaton. What... a prude. :P
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 29, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
So, I recently discovered that Marvel seems to be starting an ongoing series based on Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Anyone reading that?
is this another one? i had the first 3 or four issues from a while ago was pretty disappointed when it stopped showing up in comixology
the series was cool. anthology style with bios in the last few pages.
Quote from: Previsionary on April 29, 2012, 11:44:10 PM
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on April 28, 2012, 08:39:47 PM
Marcus Johnson/Nick Fury Jr? Arrgh...Sooooo stupid. Fury Sr really gets around.
Dana
Yep... 2 kids is surely getting around in this modern age, St. Dana of Danaton. What... a prude. :P
Oh stop. :P I just don't see the point of the character.
Dana
Actually, I'm surprised it took Marvel this long, to be perfectly honest. Aside from the mua games, the Sam Jackson Fury has been THE Nick Fury used in every single piece of Marvel related media since Xmen Legends 2. The only reason Marvel kept him white in the comics for as long as they did was to appease the comic book purists, but it's offputting to newer fans brought in by the recent movies. Making "Black Fury" Nick Jr. is Marvel's compromise... they aren't removing white fury so the purists won't pitch a fit, but new Fury is still in there so new readers won't feel confused.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on April 30, 2012, 09:38:03 AM
Quote from: Previsionary on April 29, 2012, 11:44:10 PM
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on April 28, 2012, 08:39:47 PM
Marcus Johnson/Nick Fury Jr? Arrgh...Sooooo stupid. Fury Sr really gets around.
Dana
Yep... 2 kids is surely getting around in this modern age, St. Dana of Danaton. What... a prude. :P
Oh stop. :P I just don't see the point of the character.
Dana
I don't see the point of you, but I allow you to exist. Know that. *cackles magnificently and disappears in a bolt of lightning*
So now Samuel L. Jackson is the illegitimate child of Clint Eastwood? That's acceptable.
Quote from: murs47 on April 30, 2012, 01:25:57 PM
So now Samuel L. Jackson is the illegitimate child of Clint Eastwood? That's acceptable.
Wouldn't it make him David Hasselhoff's illegitimate kid ? :banghead:
Quote from: detourne_me on April 30, 2012, 09:23:52 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 29, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
So, I recently discovered that Marvel seems to be starting an ongoing series based on Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Anyone reading that?
is this another one? i had the first 3 or four issues from a while ago was pretty disappointed when it stopped showing up in comixology
the series was cool. anthology style with bios in the last few pages.
Yeah DM, I think they're launching an ongoing with the same crew as the mini-series. Having recently read the mini online, I am pretty excited about this, as that mini was really quite good. It looks like it starts in April.
In comics news, it looks like Brian Michael Bendis is leaving the Avengers line of books (yay!) for...
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a possible revive of Guardians of the Galaxy, having resurrected Thanos in a recent issue of Avengers Assemble, as per this link: http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/05/10/speculation-bendis-post-avengers-plans-partially-revealed/ (http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/05/10/speculation-bendis-post-avengers-plans-partially-revealed/). I'm a big fan of the DnA Guardians and Nova, and I'm all for the team's return, but written by Bendis? I'll pass.
Way to raise my hopes, then dash them quite expertly, Marvel.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! *goes into denial and believes Talavar is just lying to troll*
ETA:
New Ironman?
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(http://comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/InvincibleIronMan_518_Cover.jpg)
Great...more reasons to stay away from the mainstream comic groups....if they'd only learn...especially Marvel, ever since they handed the keys Quesadia and his lame sidekick Bendo things have gone downhill!
Well said DJ.
Is it the new Marvel way to create great books and characters just to crap on them and kill them?
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For example,The Immortal Weapons,my favorite new concept and characters in the past 20 or so years and here now they've killed three of them and turned another into the killer.
I do somewhat like A vs. X,but thats my twisted side hoping they bring out the dark side with Hope,In my opinion she has the potential to be a great villain for years to come.Either that or kill her,but enough of this "Messiah" crap.
This is happening:
QuoteViscardi kicked off the call by introducing the participants and opened it up for the creators to tell the origins of "The First X-Men" as a series.
"I had these wonderful warm memories of Jack Kirby's 'X-Men,'" said Adams, who mentioned he had been on the book two issues before it had been cancelled. "At the beginning, Stan and Jack were just experimenting with things. Right at the very first issue, you have Professor X who is bald and in a wheelchair and these kids standing around them in costume and they are going to become the X-Men." Adams noted it seemed like readers were starting in the middle of the story rather than the beginning.
"Something must have happened before Professor X became Professor X," Adams said. "He could pass. He didn't look like a strange X-Man. He didn't look like a mutant."
Adams posited the concept was that Professor X wasn't the person who started protecting young mutants. "Maybe this was going on when Professor X was a teenager and mutants were being abused by the government ... and somebody stepped out to protect these kids. ... Who would he be and why would he go to Charles Xavier? ... That became my premise."
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38666 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38666)
Isn't the fact that Professor X can pass as human part of the reason why he is the one to start stepping up and protecting those mutant kids who can't hide their abilities? This just seems totally pointless, like a prequel to a prequel.
And I never lie just to troll. I troll with the truth, which is much worse.
Wolverine's pre-X-Men...Horrible, so horrible!
Oh, hey, remember, guys, northstar is getting married soon to his flat boyfriend... and by flat, I mean having no development.
(http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/marvel-comics-hosts-first-gay-wedding-in-astonishing-x-men-20120522/1000x306/main.jpg)
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/marvel-comics-hosts-first-gay-wedding-in-astonishing-x-men-20120522 (http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/marvel-comics-hosts-first-gay-wedding-in-astonishing-x-men-20120522)
Meanwhile, DC is planning on one of their very own characters coming out. As you can imagine, the very idea of coming out and getting married has upset some people, and that's all I can say on FR.
Interesting idea, right?
http://marvel.com/news/story/18763/first_look_civil_war_prose_novel (http://marvel.com/news/story/18763/first_look_civil_war_prose_novel)
QuoteOn June 6 courtesy of writer Stuart Moore, "Civil War" arrives as a prose novel, and we've got an exclusive look at the prologue to the book. This will be the first in a series of all-new novels for all fans old and new, and will serve as an amazing entry point for the millions of fans who’ve only experienced the Marvel super heroes through the blockbuster films!
"Civil War" follows the heroes of the Marvel Universe, including the Avengers. For those who have seen “Marvel’s The Avengers,” you’ve experienced the creation of this historic team. This story will put them through the ringer, dividing the group into two conflicting factions, and ultimately bringing those sides to war. Fans returning to the Civil War saga will find that all-new material has been added to the experience, including a new take on Spider-Man's role, with the story set in the post-"One More Day" reality and showing these events as they unfolded without Peter Parker and Mary Jane being married for the first time.
Take a look at the prologue (http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/pdf/CivilWarHC_Prologue.pdf), chapter one (http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/pdf/CivilWarHC_PartOne.pdf) and chapter two (http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/pdf/CivilWarHC_PartTwo.pdf) before picking up "Civil War" for yourself on June 6!
Bendis is said to be taking over two X-men books, so once again, he gets to taint more things I love
D. I will continue not picking up those books, and now, I'll add in the lovely benefit of not even being curious. Enough is enough.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/13/brian-bendis-to-write-x-men-and-uncanny-x-men/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/13/brian-bendis-to-write-x-men-and-uncanny-x-men/)
QuoteApparently, Bendis will write both Uncanny X-Men and relaunch X-Men. Jason Aaron will continue to write Wolverine And The X-Men. And yes, as Bendis wrote, what he is actually doing with Marvel is a whole lot bigger than that. Which tempts me to speculate it will be part of one enormous cosmic story that will see the X-Men go spacewards with the Guardians Of The Galaxy against Thanos or whatnot. Well, they do all live on an asteroid…
I'm hoping this rumor is proven false.
Quote from: Previsionary on May 23, 2012, 12:04:50 AM
Oh, hey, remember, guys, northstar is getting married soon to his flat boyfriend... and by flat, I mean having no development.
(http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/marvel-comics-hosts-first-gay-wedding-in-astonishing-x-men-20120522/1000x306/main.jpg)
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/marvel-comics-hosts-first-gay-wedding-in-astonishing-x-men-20120522 (http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/marvel-comics-hosts-first-gay-wedding-in-astonishing-x-men-20120522)
Meanwhile, DC is planning on one of their very own characters coming out. As you can imagine, the very idea of coming out and getting married has upset some people, and that's all I can say on FR.
are they going to rename it the fabulous xmen?
There are even more rumors about the Marvel shake up.
Spoiler
Astonishing Avengers From Remender And Opena
Jonathan Hickman And Esad Ribic On The Avengers
Matt Fraction And Salvador Larroca Take On Fantastic Four
Brian Bendis To Write X-Men And Uncanny X-Men
Gillen and Land to write Iron Man
I like a lot of these ideas, but I'm a little wary.
I think Bendis on the X-men might be a good thing, as 1: He'll finally be away from the Avengers and 2: Maybe resuscitate the X-men, because that Gillen book is awful.
Aaron is staying on as writer of that god-awful Wolverine and the X-men
Quote from: Previsionary on June 14, 2012, 10:17:42 AM
Bendis is said to be taking over two X-men books, so once again, he gets to taint more things I loveD. I will continue not picking up those books, and now, I'll add in the lovely benefit of not even being curious. Enough is enough.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/13/brian-bendis-to-write-x-men-and-uncanny-x-men/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/13/brian-bendis-to-write-x-men-and-uncanny-x-men/)
QuoteApparently, Bendis will write both Uncanny X-Men and relaunch X-Men. Jason Aaron will continue to write Wolverine And The X-Men. And yes, as Bendis wrote, what he is actually doing with Marvel is a whole lot bigger than that. Which tempts me to speculate it will be part of one enormous cosmic story that will see the X-Men go spacewards with the Guardians Of The Galaxy against Thanos or whatnot. Well, they do all live on an asteroid...
I'm hoping this rumor is proven false.
Bendis' comic writing is like an old school video game boss - the key is just to be where he isn't. He writes all the Avengers, so read all the X-men; he follows you over to X-men, so now it might be safe to jump back over to the Avengers.... I just wish I knew how many turtle shells it took to knock him out of mainstream comics entirely.
A few thoughts:
Spoiler
Wolverine and the X-men, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, FF, Amazing Spider-man, and Uncanny X-Force are the best comics Marvel has going these days in my opinion.
I'll probably be jumping ship to wherever Hickman and Remender go.
I'll give Bendis a shot with X-Men... it needs to get back to the family of misfits vibe. This Extinction team BS makes me weary
Hickman and Remender on Avengers? I'm all in. :cool:
I've reasonably enjoyed Gillen's Uncanny but I won't miss it if he leaves.
I LOVE Wolverine and the X-Men by Jason Aaron. Easily my favorite book right now. I'll be gutted if he leaves.
Very weary of Bendis taking over the X-Men, but I may give him a chance. I always have some interest in the X-Books.
The Avengers shakeup looks promising.
I also love Aaron's Wat X-Men. I really hope he stays on, it'd just be a shame if his run is cut short this so soon.
Hickman and Remender on Avengers does indeed sound cool. I would try those out.
Quote from: Previsionary on May 23, 2012, 12:04:50 AM
Oh, hey, remember, guys, northstar is getting married soon to his flat boyfriend... and by flat, I mean having no development.
Yeah, wait a week. He will get powers, die, come back as a villain, reform, and finally be outed as a skrull. My rule is if I was in the marvel universe I would never date a superhero, unless I wanted my life to get really interesting, really fast.
I jsut wonder...whatever happened to Havok and Polaris? I mean, Marvel Girl returned to Earth, Korvus was given captianship of the loony space pirate groups by Rouge, Cho'd and Raza are still Starjammers...but Havok and Polaris disappeared. Where did they go?
Havok and Polaris are now on X-factor. Havok co-leads the team with Maddox. It's a crowded book, and it was crowded before. Now the book seems to be at a crossroads, from what I've read, due to the different directions a character like Havok would go as opposed to what Maddox shaped the team to be.
Quote from: Previsionary on June 17, 2012, 06:40:34 PM
Havok and Polaris are now on X-factor. Havok co-leads the team with Maddox. It's a crowded book, and it was crowded before. Now the book seems to be at a crossroads, from what I've read, due to the different directions a character like Havok would go as opposed to what Maddox shaped the team to be.
Mien Gott, they so doesn't deserve to be on X-Factor..I would of thought they would end up with Wolvie's group. At least then they would be allowed to grow as characters instead of being stifled with so many folks in X-Factor.
Well, three characters[Rahne, Rictor, and Shatterstar] just dropped from X-Factor in the latest issue. Peter David said he'll be shaking up and trimming the roster over the next couple months. So it looks like Havok and Polaris will be getting more limelight once that's settled.
Did anyone read the latest issue of Avengers vs. X-Men? Last issue I was like :rolleyes: but with the latest, I was like :o Hickman just brings it, and Coipel is a HUGE upgrade over the garbage[Romita] from the first 5 issues.
AvX 6 was sick. Vast improvement from the rest of the series. Also, Romita didn't do the artwork, as you mentioned Murs, and that already made this issue better.
Now I'm really excited to read the rest of the story. The Infinite issue was pretty great, too.
Spidey gets a sidekick (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1688506/amazing-spiderman-sidekick-alpha.jhtml)
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 27, 2012, 04:13:07 PM
Spidey gets a sidekick (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1688506/amazing-spiderman-sidekick-alpha.jhtml)
I'm immediately reminded of a Simpsons episode from way back, where Homer & Barney are unveiled as new NASA astronauts.
Reporter 1: Is this a joke?
Reporter 2: No, really: is this a joke?
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 27, 2012, 04:13:07 PM
Spidey gets a sidekick (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1688506/amazing-spiderman-sidekick-alpha.jhtml)
This just falls into the.. "well, why the hell not?!" category for a year plot run since obviously they ran out of better ideas and figured it would be funny to see Spidey swinging around New York with a bad attitude sidekick for him to teach. If it doesn't work then they just dump the character off at Avengers Academy once the gimmick wears off and publicity finally drops to a dull golf clap of the handful of fans who loved the idea.
- CQ
I looked at the comic preview introducing the character, and while we're obviously supposed to draw comparisons to ol' Puny Parker (not to mention movie!Peter Parker, as some were quick to point out), I can't help but immediately think of the "First World Problems" meme. This amused me.
Every time I try to get back into comics, something like this happens and pushes me away. :(
What's wrong with Spidey having a sidekick/protege?
I think this is a pretty cool idea.
If they were saying that Spidey would get a sidekick forever, and this is how its going to be, I'd be sceptical. But its kind of a cool idea for a year or two's subplot, and it does tie into a lot of the key Spiderman themes. Power and responsibility, Peter having been a teacher, guilt over causing the accident and so on.
Its a chance for Peter Parker to grow up by being forced into the mentor role, but in a way that can naturally be reverted when they're done with it. We won't need to invoke Mephisto this time, just have Alpha walk away for good or bad at the end.
DrMike hits on my problem with it: just a couple of years ago, 'One More Day' was unleashed upon the world, nullifying Peter's marriage through a literal deal with the devil. Why? Because having Spider-man be married made him seem too old. Know what else makes a character seem old? Having a teenage sidekick. It's the willy-nilly, back and forth of the editorial decision making that's turning me off.
You know, when I read that it made me think about the comic Top Ten and their anti-child endagerment law about sidekicks..and the jokes that follow about the guys "kick on the side". Creeepppppyyyyy!!!
I'm a bit perplexed by Spider-Man's sidekick's name...Is it Alpha? Really? I'll be really P'Oed if it is.
Dana
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on June 28, 2012, 03:44:56 PM
I'm a bit perplexed by Spider-Man's sidekick's name...Is it Alpha? Really? I'll be really P'Oed if it is.
Dana
Uh, why? DOes it bring you power ranger flashbacks or somethin'?
Quote from: Previsionary on June 28, 2012, 03:54:16 PM
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on June 28, 2012, 03:44:56 PM
I'm a bit perplexed by Spider-Man's sidekick's name...Is it Alpha? Really? I'll be really P'Oed if it is.
Dana
Uh, why? DOes it bring you power ranger flashbacks or somethin'?
AHHHHH!!!! Power Ranger flashbacks!!! AHHHHHH!!!! *kicks Prev all karate like for saying those three words.*
If they wanted him to grow up then they should have kept him married and then let him get a sidekick. The sidekick could have been part of the family, almost like the Bat-Family and he could go off on his own like Robin/ Nightwing did.
new issue of avsx thor gut punches a kid
jesus marvel seriously
which kid and for what reason?
Also, Peter Parker played the mentor role once... to Spider-girl... his daughter. Marvel has been a bit bipolar with Spidey post-OMD, so I'm not really surprised by any development they take with him.
Quote from: Previsionary on June 28, 2012, 09:19:07 PM
which kid and for what reason?
Kid Gladiator...who's nearly invincible...like his daddy.
That's such a none-issue then. UE, you made me think he punched one of the Avenger Academy kids or Hope. Kid Gladiator is also an alien, so who knows how old that kid really is.
I'm concerned the "flavor of the week" kid's name is Alpha because of Alpha Flight, my fave superhero team. Alpha Flight gets little enough exposure and I'm afraid that Marvel will ignore them now in trying to avoid confusion with this new character (as they have in the past with characters of similar or the same name)...I just don't think it bodes well for Alpha Flight, as usual.
Thor's a millenia-old god. 18 years old isn't a huge line to him - almost everyone's a kid in his eyes. He's older, bigger and stronger than almost everyone in the XMen.
Anyway, back to Spidey, I dont think having a sidekick necessarily ages him. Spidey can be more big brother than dad here- its not like he's going to get his butler to make Alpha dinner or adopt him as a ward, more just show him the ropes as a superpowered crimefighter.
I'm intrigued by this idea. I always had a story in my head of Spidey taking on a young partner.
Like all things it all comes down to the actual story though. I hope the kid's not a little brat.
Slott is writing this story, yes? I have avg. hopes then. He seems to be doing a good job on Spidey since becoming the lead writer, so don't knock the idea until you have something actually in front of you to judge. Regardless, it's not like I'll be reading it anytime soon, which is why I'm not making a firm stance one way or another.
Quote from: Previsionary on June 29, 2012, 03:46:11 AM
He seems to be doing a good job on Spidey since becoming the lead writer,
That's a matter of opinion. I've heard a lot of criticisms about his run/writing that I think are really valid points. Personally, I like his run, but it's certainly not without its flaws. A lack of subtlety or nuance in the characterizations/dialogue is one. And while I think he can spin a good superhero yarn, I don't particularly trust him to write teenagers or high school drama.
Furthermore, if someone's read his previous issues of Amazing and doesn't like it, there's a good chance they won't like the new stuff, and so they're better off passing. I mean, that's how people who don't care for Bendis treat his work, right?
Quoteso don't knock the idea until you have something actually in front of you to judge.
That's why we have the preview. So far, I think the character as presented is pretty hard to sympathize with or like, for the reason I listed above: lack of subtlety in the writing. It's all laid on so thick it's hard to take seriously. I'm still going to keep reading Amazing so I'll just have to wait and see what I think of him once he becomes "Alpha". I'm kinda hoping he's not in every arc or taking up too much focus in the plot, because if I don't like him, it really affect how much I'm able to enjoy the book from issue to issue.
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 28, 2012, 05:23:25 PM
If they wanted him to grow up then they should have kept him married and then let him get a sidekick. The sidekick could have been part of the family, almost like the Bat-Family and he could go off on his own like Robin/ Nightwing did.
Ugh. Tell me you didn't go there, Jey.
Um. Too late -- you did.
Isn't Peter Parker's life dysfunctional enough without making it official?
Quote from: BlueBard on June 29, 2012, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 28, 2012, 05:23:25 PM
If they wanted him to grow up then they should have kept him married and then let him get a sidekick. The sidekick could have been part of the family, almost like the Bat-Family and he could go off on his own like Robin/ Nightwing did.
Ugh. Tell me you didn't go there, Jey.
Um. Too late -- you did.
Isn't Peter Parker's life dysfunctional enough without making it official?
But that was the reason why Spidey was so popular. He was a superhero with everyday problem, just like the rest of us. I wouldn't make him dysfunctional as Bats, but it would have be interesting to see how he handles having a wife & a sidekick who he sees as a little brother/ son.
No, SS, not everyone ignores or avoids Bendis when they don't like his work, and you know this. ;)
A 5-7 page preview isn't a lot to go on. It's just enough. A full book or arc is a better tool to judge by. With that said, again, I probably won't care in a week or two as I don't read Spidey (or any Marvel books at the moment), so I'll not have a firm stance until I run into the twerp down the line, if ever. As long as he doesn't give me a Hope Summers vibe....
Some details emerge. More will be revealed with SDCC right around the corner, I'm sure.
QuoteUncanny Avengers: (oct 2012) written by [Rick ]Remender. It is going to be the new flagship marvel title and will have among others Cap, Thor, Wolvy, Rogue and Havok in it and both sides will still have some AVX tension.
Avengers (dec 2012): Bi weekly with more then 18 avengers on the team. Written by [Jonathan] Hickman with one shot stories and longer galaxy spanning multi-issue arcs
X-men: (nov 2012) hold on to your hats...... Bendis!!! about the original five x-men time-travel two the present in a pleasantville style story and who are not going to like what they see once they are in the present and will find it unacceptable. Bendis says the time travel aspect of the story is not as important as the character based drama.
Bendis should be nowhere near the O5 X-men. That's awful. I long for the time where he claimed he couldn't write X-men because he was too ignorant of them. Considering how weak the O5 were as compared to what they became, maybe he'll tone his usual tendencies even though he went to one of his time honored tropes of time hopping.
Uncanny Avengers might well be good, with Remender on it, and regular Avengers might even be readable again. I'll pass on Bendis X-men though.
Apparently this is Marvel's response to DC's nu52 reboot, called Marvel NOW.
More info here. (http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/07/03/marvel-now-jean-grey-exclusive/)
After reading the article, I get the sense that there will be no consequences for either side of the AvX event. I'm hoping that's not the case.
I really don't have a horse in this race, I gave up buying Marvel comics a long time ago. BUT I do want to weigh in on some of the (supposed) costume re-designs.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=39525 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=39525)
From top to bottom...
Spider-Man: I'm a fan of the smaller bug eyes on the mask but this may just be Quesada's style for Spidey these days. I do miss the stripes that ran down his arms connecting his shoulder pattern to his gloves but it's not a deal breaker. I guess this brings the 616 costume closer to the animated Ultimate Spider-Man.
Hulk: He. Does. Not. Need. Armor. Moving on...
Thor: Cape-less Thor makes Meejub sad. He just looks like something out of Lord of the Rings or something now. Generic.
Cable: Not big on the red/black costume or the eye patch but I honestly could care less.
Marvel Girl: It's just the classic X-men uniform. I couldn't yawn loud or hard enough to express my emotions.
Nova: I preferred his costume from his last solo series but this isn't all that different. Color me "meh".
Iron Man: No. Just... no. The comic versions of Tony's armor have been in a steady decline since they dropped the armor design that inspired the look for the original IM movie. I do not like this new design.
Invisible Woman: Looks like her Future Foundation uniform. Fine by me.
Nick Fury Jr: I was a fan of Steve Rogers S.H.I.E.L.D. look. Having Jr. pick up the uniform is putting a good design to use.
Cyclops: Not an X-men fan by any stretch of the imagination. My views may be skew but that costume is just terrible. The John Cassady Astonishing X-men design (http://thatcostumegirl.com/gallery/d/419-2/astonishing-x-men-1-100k-1.jpg) was perfect. It was simple and really drew the focus to his visor. This much red piping really makes his power source just blend into the coloring.
Captain America: I may be one of the few that actually misses the Bucky-Cap design. Changing Caps look to fall inline with the movie version seems to be a step backward. I get that they want the character to be more recognizable to kids who watched the movie but I don't think that was a real problem. I don't hate this look. Again I'm "meh".
Wolverine: Doen't look like they changed much. Moving on.
Rocket Racoon: I'm not terribly familiar with his original costume but this is really close to the design, right? I miss his Guardians of the Galaxy red/black costume. Made him look hard core. :p
Spider-Man doesn't look bad, but Cyclops' x visor/helmet thingy is stupid beyond stupid. I agree with MJB, Marvel Girl (is that Jean? If so, why is she calling herself Marvel Girl) wearing the original X-Men outfit is yawn-worthy (although, I find Cable being back is be yawn-inducing as well). Thor needs swords now? Again I agree with MJB...Hulk in armor (ugh)? I'm tired and don't even want to comment on the rest...Bleh.
Dana
Rules say I can't make one word posts, but really, in this case... "Ew" just about sums up my reaction.
She calls herself Marvel girl because that's her codename, Dana... and she's from the past. Did you, like, not read the descriptions? Young man, go sit in the corner.
Haven't had a chance to read any of the articles but I'm not impressed so far. New costumes look pretty ugh from this image, and Bendis on Avengers plus (more) X-Men on an Avengers team doesn't fill me with positive vibes.
Ultimately my opinion will be based on 1. Books I like continuing (ie Wolverine and the X-Men, Avengers Academy) and hopefully something being announced that I'll be really into.
I love the idea of X-men.. well, mutants.. being in the Avengers. It makes total sense.
Yes, Scarlet Witch was a long standing mutant member of the team, but she never fought for mutant rights and acceptance. Neither did any of the other mutant Avengers. Mutants could use all the good PR they could get, which would mean getting some on the number #1 loved super-team, the Avengers. The X-men did it without much fanfare, which is something they needed. Why did they never have a publicist in the old days?
Havok and Rogue being on the Avengers, done by Remender? Sign me up! If only Havok could rock his original costume, tho..
The original X-men time traveling, tho? I'm not a fan.
I'm not against mutants being on the Avengers. But what I don't like is abruptly moving characters to completely different books. It would appear to break off their ongoing plots/status quo. Take Rogue, she's going to be an Avenger now, but will she continue to appear in any X-Men books? What about her relationship with Magneto and Gambit, will these be abruptly dropped?
Ms. Marvel is not going to approve of Rogue being on the Avengers... and Havok just rejoined X-factor. He hasn't even been back a year, and he's moving around like a rabbit.
LP, the "Original" X-factor was going down that route of trying to clear the name of mutant kind (building off the X-men original purpose), but the series always got sidetracked with other, bigger drama, so nothing ever came of it.
I want to comment on this but I don't even know where to start. I just going to go to my mancave and read my old comics from the 80's & 90's. This is just sad.
Quote from: Previsionary on July 03, 2012, 10:36:25 PM
She calls herself Marvel girl because that's her codename, Dana... and she's from the past. Did you, like, not read the descriptions? Young man, go sit in the corner.
Whoops, I missed that part, somehow...I apologize. However, bringing heroes from the past is becoming old hat with Marvel, isn't it?
Dana
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on July 05, 2012, 01:09:48 AM
Quote from: Previsionary on July 03, 2012, 10:36:25 PM
She calls herself Marvel girl because that's her codename, Dana... and she's from the past. Did you, like, not read the descriptions? Young man, go sit in the corner.
Whoops, I missed that part, somehow...I apologize. However, bringing heroes from the past is becoming old hat with Marvel, isn't it?
Dana
Why are you hating? Ain't nobody here for that. :P
The cover of Uncanny Avengers #1 is out there on the interwebs, and it's significantly different than some of the characters appear in the Marvel NOW image linked above. Thor's still got his red cape, and no stupid swords, and Havok's costume looks pretty old school.
Hmm yes, Cap, Wolvie and Thor all have noticeable differences between the Quesada and Cassidy images. With Thor I imagine there's probably versaitility in what he wears but the others one of the artists (if not both) aren't following the designs properly.
I read one article and apparently Marvel will be releasing 22 relaunched or new titles over a 5 month period. All of the Avengers books (except Academy wasn't listed) will be returning apparently.
Quote from: Previsionary on July 05, 2012, 01:38:10 AM
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on July 05, 2012, 01:09:48 AM
Quote from: Previsionary on July 03, 2012, 10:36:25 PM
She calls herself Marvel girl because that's her codename, Dana... and she's from the past. Did you, like, not read the descriptions? Young man, go sit in the corner.
Whoops, I missed that part, somehow...I apologize. However, bringing heroes from the past is becoming old hat with Marvel, isn't it?
Dana
Why are you hating? Ain't nobody here for that. :P
I said "old hat", silly...not old hate.
Dana
Quote from: Podmark on July 05, 2012, 09:59:23 PM
Hmm yes, Cap, Wolvie and Thor all have noticeable differences between the Quesada and Cassidy images. With Thor I imagine there's probably versaitility in what he wears but the others one of the artists (if not both) aren't following the designs properly.
I read one article and apparently Marvel will be releasing 22 relaunched or new titles over a 5 month period. All of the Avengers books (except Academy wasn't listed) will be returning apparently.
If Avengers Academy is ending I will be sad.
Quote from: murs47 on July 03, 2012, 02:07:00 PM
Some details emerge. More will be revealed with SDCC right around the corner, I'm sure.
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X-men: (nov 2012) hold on to your hats...... Bendis!!! about the original five x-men time-travel two the present in a pleasantville style story and who are not going to like what they see once they are in the present and will find it unacceptable. Bendis says the time travel aspect of the story is not as important as the character based drama.
I'm amazed someone hasn't mentioned this...but doesn't this soun dlike what Ross, Dynamite, and Marvel did a few years back with the Invaders. Remember, they brought the original Invaders into the current time and worked over the way they reacted..specially Bucky wondering what happened to him. Sounds like a retread to me!
Marvel Teases Minimum Carnage (http://marvelousnews.com/index.php?catid=23&itemid=15171)
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Really? Really Marvel? MINIMUM Carnage? That's what you're trying to sell me on now? Seriously?
Quote from: Tomato on July 07, 2012, 02:21:06 PM
Really? Really Marvel? MINIMUM Carnage? That's what you're trying to sell me on now? Seriously?
What Thomas? It could be a symbiote romance.
I believe the minimum acceptable amount of Carnage is zero....
Quote from: Talavar on July 07, 2012, 08:21:35 PM
I believe the minimum acceptable amount of Carnage is zero....
Oh, I agree that less Carnage (or better yet, NO Carnage) is best,
Minimum Carnage has got to be one of the most underwhelming titles for an event/promo EVER. What's next: "Xavier vs Magneto: The Mutants Masters of Chess"?!
It could actually be quite compelling if handled correctly.
Carnage reworked into a silent serial killer that's really tough to track down, or protect his next victim would really fly in the face of peter's bombastic style of "NOBODY DIES!"
Minimum Carnage is a pretty silly idea but the image implies it will be teaming up Flash and Kaine and that is cool.
Quote from: Podmark on July 08, 2012, 03:00:27 PM
Minimum Carnage is a pretty silly idea but the image implies it will be teaming up Flash and Kaine and that is cool.
Really? That is cool. :cool:
Will it cross just between Scarlet Spider and Venom? Or will Amazing tie into it as well?
Quote from: murs47 on July 08, 2012, 07:20:08 PM
Quote from: Podmark on July 08, 2012, 03:00:27 PM
Minimum Carnage is a pretty silly idea but the image implies it will be teaming up Flash and Kaine and that is cool.
Really? That is cool. :cool:
Will it cross just between Scarlet Spider and Venom? Or will Amazing tie into it as well?
The only thing I know about it is that it is a follow up mini to Carnage and Carnage USA presumably by Zeb Wells and Clayton Crain. The image implies it's about a tiny Carnage and a team up between Venom and the Scarlet Spider. It was first announced a while ago when Carnage USA ended. I recall it being solicited but maybe not.
New solicits are out for October. The following titles are ending (most to be relaunched): Captain America, Fantastic Four, FF, Incredible Hulk, Invincible Iron Man, New Mutants, The Mighty Thor, Uncanny X-Men and X-Men Legacy. Journey Into Mystery might be ending as well.
Newsarama believes that Wolverine and the X-Men and Avengers Academy will be continuing, so that's a plus for me. Disappointed that Legacy is ending (and probably not coming back).
Didn't Captain America and Incredible Hulk (at least) just get new number 1s within the year? That's dumb. Too bad about X-men Legacy as well...
That's a shame about the New Mutants.. I wonder if they will return.
Unfortunately, comics are not in our budget right now. (It may have more to do with my compulsion to increase my pulls to twenty books or so...) But I frequent Newsarama to keep up on what is happening in the industry as well as this Marvel thread. Restarting books, renumbering books, and renaming books seems to have become a new industry gimmick. Does it work? If Cap and Hulk were just renumbered and now they are being "canceled" and restarted... why not just keep the books going with the original number? Does the number or title on the cover really effect sells that much?
They pretty much have to renumber sooner or later... They're saving ink by keeping the numbers in the triple digits or lower. Plus they don't have room for four digits in that little box ;)
Actually, I imagine they're trying to preserve the illusion that things are a changin' and that they have fresh ideas.
Cancellation of titles certainly isn't new. They're better off putting an unpopular title out to pasture and letting the manure cool off before they try again.
But I suspect that the marketing types have more to do with this than any really good reason. They're probably looking to shake up the overall brand image.
Well, to be honest, Cap has just gone off in all the wrong directions. I have a feeling that Bru is tired of writing Cap. And what the heck is up with the Captain America & Bucky/Hawkeye/Falcon book?
It's a shame to see it go, but I understand why FF and F4 might need some shaking up after Hickman leaves. He left some really big shoes to fill on the title. Only someone like Waid could follow up on that maybe.
I'm not sure what happened to Fraction's writing either. It looks like a lot of his books will get switched up.
Did anyone pick up the new books this week? Uncanny X-Force was excellent and Venom delivered a lot of action.
I'm happy about the character growth in WatX, hope to see some more of it with characters like Husk and Rachel Grey.
I just bought a couple issues of X-Men with Northstar's wedding and a few Hulk (Rulk) issues with Alpha Flight guest appearing. They were all fairly good reads too...Yay!
Dana
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on July 11, 2012, 08:02:18 PM
I just bought a couple issues of X-Men with Northstar's wedding and a few Hulk (Rulk) issues with Alpha Flight guest appearing. They were all fairly good reads too...Yay!
Dana
Astonishing X-men under Marjorie Liu has been fun. It's my favorite X-men book out right now.
Quote from: laughing paradox on July 12, 2012, 06:24:01 PM
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on July 11, 2012, 08:02:18 PM
I just bought a couple issues of X-Men with Northstar's wedding and a few Hulk (Rulk) issues with Alpha Flight guest appearing. They were all fairly good reads too...Yay!
Dana
Astonishing X-men under Marjorie Liu has been fun. It's my favorite X-men book out right now.
Pfff...Wolverine & the X-Men poops on Liu and Astonishing!
Lots of interesting things in this week's X-Force:
Spoiler
Fantomex is dead.
EVA has evolved.
Daken is alive.
I also read Avengers Assemble with the return of the Guardians of the Galaxy! Oh how I missed them. Of course Bendis completely ignores that Drax and Starlord (and Thanos for that matter) are supposed to dead and the team has been disbanded for quite some time, and several members are missing like Groot and Mantis. And I miss the old costumes. Other than that they were fine.
Ugh, that's disgusting. He was a better character when he wasn't around (in regards to Pod's spoiler). :D
Is Avengers Assemble in continuity or no?
Quote from: Podmark on July 12, 2012, 10:26:07 PM
Lots of interesting things in this week's X-Force:
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Fantomex is dead.
EVA has evolved.
Daken is alive.
Excellent issue, would have been my pick of the week but I had to go with Walking Dead #100. What an issue!
Quote from: Podmark on July 08, 2012, 08:03:25 PM
Minimum Carnage is a pretty silly idea but the image implies it will be teaming up Flash and Kaine and that is cool.
Looks like you were on target about Minimum Carnage, it is a Scarlet Spider/Venom x-over. I'm actually really looking forward to this. Article here (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=39674).
Quote from: murs47 on July 15, 2012, 07:48:15 PM
Looks like you were on target about Minimum Carnage, it is a Scarlet Spider/Venom x-over. I'm actually really looking forward to this. Article here (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=39674).
I thought it would be Wells/Crain mini but I'm just as happy with this. Flash and Kaine teaming up should be fun. Was worried when Venom and Scarlet Spider weren't in the solicits but they were just hiding them for this announcement.
Quote from: laughing paradox on July 12, 2012, 06:24:01 PM
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on July 11, 2012, 08:02:18 PM
I just bought a couple issues of X-Men with Northstar's wedding and a few Hulk (Rulk) issues with Alpha Flight guest appearing. They were all fairly good reads too...Yay!
Dana
Astonishing X-men under Marjorie Liu has been fun. It's my favorite X-men book out right now.
I'm considering buying more Astonishing x-men and I haven't actively collected any x-books since the mid nineties.
Dana
Avengers Academy is ending in November. :(
Sigh.
you should have expected it. It's always the fan faves that go first with Marvel, especially if it's not a core, well established book.
All New X-men #1 previews:
http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/08/21/marvel-now-preview-all-new-x-men-1/
(http://comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/all-new-x-men-1-immonen-2.jpg)
Quote from: Previsionary on August 21, 2012, 05:34:11 PM
you should have expected it. It's always the fan faves that go first with Marvel, especially if it's not a core, well established book.
I actually got tricked. I had been expecting it to be cancelled for Marvel Now, then Newsarama ran an article with the previous set of solicits where they said they thought it was sticking around.
so Marvel big internet shattering story centred around spider-man 700 is
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peter creates a lab accident that hits a midtown high student who happens to be a loner, hates sports and has neglectful parents, who turns him in to a super hero, not just any hero but in reeds own terms "phoenix and galactus are omega level, he's the first ever alpha level hero
so there is that so what do we do
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have him become a complete prat until dun dun duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh spider-man makes him his sidekick
:unsure:
say what?
Wouldn't Reed's own son be alpha level..... since he can create whole universes?
Also I love the idea that Franklin is the linchpin of the entire marvel universe. He has pretty much stopped time, and only causes it to progress in some instances:
http://majorspoilers.com/2011/08/19/major-spoilers-confidential-case-file-0001-the-franklin-richards-paradox/
http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/ff_franklin.html
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I thought Alpha level in Marvel was below Omega but ahead of beta? also this sounds terrible. What is going on with comics?
Yeah, Alpha is below Omega. What's up, Marvel? Where your editors at? Det, Franklin is an Omega+, as was Vulcan. Alpha level characters are those such as Emma (now), Prof X (before he fell into the M'Kraan crystal), Gambit, Psylocke (depending on which version of her is walking around), and Rogue (now) or Dazzler.
I don't like Tobey Garfield. And judging from online reception, neither do most other readers. Mind you, this is intentional, but it's still a pretty botched execution.
Thanks for clearing up the power rankings,even though some of those seem a bit suspect. Also, doesn't that ranking only apply for mutants?
Maybe Tobey Garfield is a clever stab at how the actors never wanted their face covered?
Also, comics alliance just ran a pretty good article at how much of an asshat Peter Parker was in the early issues of ASM, He really was a reluctant hero.
Just for my own edification...
What are the definitions of Omega and Alpha levels?
Dazzler I kind of get... her ability to transmute sound into light is virtually limitless as demonstrated by Galactus. Professor X I could also see.
Don't understand what makes the others mentioned "Alpha".
My (admittedly fuzzy) understanding was - alpha mutants were those who looked perfectly normal, and whose powers had no real downside. Beta level were those with a physical mutation accompanying their powers (a la beast, Wolverine, Nightcrawler), gamma level were those with a physical mutation but no real power (like some of the morlocks), and omega level were those whose power level was nearly limitless (Jean, Vulcan after M-day, Iceman I think, others).
I'd never really heard this system applied to non-mutants until now, so this could all be wrong.
Talavar is correct (Gamma level were those classified as above human level with physical manifestations accompanying their powers that affected every day life. I recall that Rogue was at this level for a while), though as I said, Vulcan and Franklin are officially classed as "Beyond Omega."
Quote from: Previsionary on August 23, 2012, 02:41:59 AM
Yeah, Alpha is below Omega. What's up, Marvel? Where your editors at?
They're all bowing before what they believe to be is the grand Bendis but is actually just a lowly bald man sittingon a toilet becuase there never was such a thing as the grand Bendis!!
anyone reading deadpool kills the marvel U. was curious to see if its worth picking up
I passed on it, but I've heard inklings that it's good. And I like what I've read by Cullen Bunn, so I'll keep that book in mind in case I want to pick it up down the line.
Time for some stuff I liked this week:
Amazing Spider-Man #693: I'm a sucker for the Jackal.
Avengers Academy #36: Going to miss this book when it's gone.
Hawkeye #2: The first issue was pretty decent but this issue was a lot of fun, I can't recommend it enough. The art had style, and if you're a Young Avengers fan I felt this might be the best written Kate Bishop ever.
On another note, earlier this week Marvel revealed 3 interlocking covers for Jonathan Hickman's twice monthly Avengers (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/avengers-lineup-revealed-marvel-now.html) revealing some of the supposedly 18 member team.
Of particular note is Sunspot and Cannonball (both in new costumes - I might have to add another skin to my Cannonball pack). I'm happy to see Sam being used but I never really thought of him as an Avenger before. That ought to be interesting.
Quote from: Podmark on September 07, 2012, 01:00:50 AM
Hawkeye #2: The first issue was pretty decent but this issue was a lot of fun, I can't recommend it enough. The art had style, and if you're a Young Avengers fan I felt this might be the best written Kate Bishop ever.
Book of the week, by a landslide.
Yep. I loved this issue. With the first issue, I found I had to try to check my bias at the door, because I knew it was a well done book but it wasn't really my cup of tea. But I was planning to keep reading since it's a Clint Barton and Kate Bishop book and Fraction didn't disappoint. The two characters play off each other really well. I'm looking forward to reading more of this book.
Hawkeye is already the best Marvel book out there. The art and writing is on point. I hope Aja and Fraction decide to stick together, because the magic would be lost with either of them missing.
I'd say the best Marvel books right now are Waid's Daredevil, Avengers Academy and the new Hawkeye book (with honourable mentions for the new Captain Marvel and Wolverine & the X-men).
I gotta go with Uncanny X-Force as the best Marvel title ATM. But, if Hawkeye keeps it up, it'll easily take the top spot. It's just too early to call it the best title right now.
Huge AvX spoilers revealed by daily news
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http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/50-years-original-marvel-comics-x-man-killed-prized-student-article-1.1156859
Not amused. DUmb decision. Typical Marvel.
Honestly...
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I'd forgotten Professor X was even alive at the moment. He's largely been a non-presence in the X-men books for quite awhile now. At least they didn't paralyze him again.
That's Marvel's fault.
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They completely minimalized his role after a pretty good stint on Legacy and empowering him to possible omega levels, and then they let Cyclops talk down to him at ever pass before finally replacing him with Magneto. Nothing was stopping them from allowing Xavier to have a more impactful role to continue his redemption. He and Storm could have started a new team, he could have taken over the training for some of the younger X-men, he could have helped some mutants cope... but nope, they pushed him aside.
in regards to the spoilers
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i'm kind of glad too. the x-men as a franchise had kind of lost it's direction. hopefully the whole uncanny avengers setup will help clear the board. give x-men sometime to be superheroes, and then decide on a role for mutantkind.
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You know, Chuck died more times than Flash and Resurrection Man put together, so it's hard to believe this time will be different
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/09/12/the-many-deaths-of-spoiler/
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So I'm disappointed Charles died, he's a favorite of mine. It was pretty obvious though and it does fit what's happening in the story. Who knows maybe he'll turn out alive again like after Bishop shot him in the head in Messiah Complex.
So Cyclops became the Dark Phoenix. I'm reasonably happy with how that played out, how Cyclops was slowly corrupted as the series went on. I have to say the Avengers have handled things very poorly over the course of this story. Things should have played out very differently if everyone had just talked this one through - but then it wouldn't be A vs X then. I'm very interested to see where Marvel goes next with Cyclops.
Some things I liked from this week's comics:
Uncanny X-Men #18 and
New Avengers #30 each revealed what happened to some of the defeated Phoenix Five. I'd really been wondering about that. Colossus and Magik's scene was interesting.
X-Men Legacy #273 finally ended it's storyline. Really didn't care for Rogue fighting a war in another dimension.
Uncanny X-Force #31 continues to be good. Looking back I remember how Remender said everything would play into later storylines and it really is true. I'm very interested to see what happens to Evan. Newsarama did recently say that Apocalypse would be in Uncanny Avengers.
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I thought the scene where Scott choked Emma to death(well that's what it looked like initially) was more dramatic than Prof. X's death.
Ugh, a newly-announced Marvel book has far exceeded my reaction to the most recent event-death: Avengers Arena http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40986 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40986)
Not only is it a shameless cash-in on Hunger Games' popularity, it's also threatening to take characters from good books - Avengers Academy, Runaways, Avengers Initiative - and kill them. Screw you, Marvel.
Quote from: Talavar on September 13, 2012, 04:27:44 PM
Ugh, a newly-announced Marvel book has far exceeded my reaction to the most recent event-death: Avengers Arena http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40986 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40986)
Not only is it a shameless cash-in on Hunger Games' popularity, it's also threatening to take characters from good books - Avengers Academy, Runaways, Avengers Initiative - and kill them. Screw you, Marvel.
Marvel can suck it, and they need to leave Arcade alone.
so this must have been what that "Killers." tease was about.
It is pretty shamelessly ripping off battle royale and hunger games. and that would be ok to cull off a lot of the new cash-in heroes, but the avengers academy kids had really come into their own (right? I never read that book myself) I'm sure a bunch of the pointless new x-kids could be killed off too.
There was a good point about (recent AVX spoilers)
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Prof. X being killed because the majority of the x-men had grown up already, and don't really need a teacher now. Heck, even some of the more interesting students at the Jean Grey School have been shipped off/disposed of (Kid Gladiator, Evan, Angel graduating)
The only real interesting students left there seem to be that girl with the fro, Armor, Broo and Quire
The new Thunderbolts on the other hand looks like it might be fun.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40965
Sounds meh but Kev Walker's on art and I love his style...looks like I'll be supporting this book.
Quote from: detourne_me on September 13, 2012, 04:49:27 PM
so this must have been what that "Killers." tease was about.
Actually it referred to the Survive teaser.
Well I'm happy to see characters like the Avengers Academy being used, but I'm less happy about them appearing in a murder heavy series, especially if they are killing each other. Also how can this be an ongoing? Surely the Hank Pym's and Wolverine's will be trying to find and save these kids.
Okay then.... which of the teases are left to be revealed?
Indestructible = Waid Yu - Hulk
Soldier = Remender Romita - Captain America
Invincible = Gillen Land - Iron Man
Worthy = Aaron Ribic - ? (Thor?)Legacy = Spurrier Huat - ?Family = Fraction Bagley - F4
Extended = Fraction Allred - FF
Chimichangas = Posehn Duggan Moore - Deadpool
Lightning = Way Dillon - Thunderbolts
Survive = Hopeless Walker - Avengers Arena
Killers = Humphries Garney - ?
Wanted = Hopeless Larroca - ?Quote from: Podmark on September 14, 2012, 01:26:37 AM
Quote from: detourne_me on September 13, 2012, 04:49:27 PM
so this must have been what that "Killers." tease was about.
Actually it referred to the Survive teaser.
Well I'm happy to see characters like the Avengers Academy being used, but I'm less happy about them appearing in a murder heavy series, especially if they are killing each other. Also how can this be an ongoing? Surely the Hank Pym's and Wolverine's will be trying to find and save these kids.
Quote from: detourne_me on September 14, 2012, 09:12:13 AM
Okay then.... which of the teases are left to be revealed?
Indestructible = Waid Yu - Hulk
Soldier = Remender Romita - Captain America
Invincible = Gillen Land - Iron Man
Worthy = Aaron Ribic - ? (Thor?)
Legacy = Spurrier Huat - ?
Family = Fraction Bagley - F4
Extended = Fraction Allred - FF
Chimichangas = Posehn Duggan Moore - Deadpool
Lightning = Way Dillon - Thunderbolts
Survive = Hopeless Walker - Avengers Arena
Killers = Humphries Garney - ?
Wanted = Hopeless Larroca - ?
Worthy = Thor (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40310)
Legacy = X-Men: Legacy (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40377)
Wanted = Cable & X-Force (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40999)
Killers = ??? [the only one not to be revealed]
I'm looking forward to this new 'line' of Marvel. They needed a refresh to their universe, in my opinion, and I like that it's being handled this way.
Avengers Arena seems kinda interesting to me, only because it has Arcade and because it's an obvious homage to Battle Royale. The cover is pretty sa-weeet!
That new Thunderbolts book also looks interesting. It's X-force without the X, and I don't mind it. I would love to see Remender take a crack at the concept, though.. he does such great on X-force that I'd like to see his ideas expand more in the Marvel Universe.
I am hating the cover of that new Thor book. Sorry, I meant Captain America. The one with Thor and Hit Girl on the cover.
I'm surprised the Uncanny Avengers isn't one of those 'words'. I'm curious about the Killers one.
Cable & X-force seems ok, in theory, but when I saw Cable's absurd arm, I rapidly lost interest. And what's up with Colossus? Why is he with these guys?
Quote from: laughing paradox on September 14, 2012, 03:10:48 PM
And what's up with Colossus? Why is he with these guys?
I'm assuming he's on the run for his actions as a Phoenix 5
Hmm Cable and the X-Force...
The Good:
-Cable
-Colossus, I've been very interested in him since he became Juggernaut and I'm interested to see where he goes after the latest Uncanny.
-Somewhat interesting premise.
-Domino and Cable in the same book. I liked them together in C&D.
-Doctor Nemesis, he was kinda cool.
The Bad:
-...Interesting fashion choices.
-Forge is back from the dead.
-THAT'S Doctor Nemesis?! Really?!
-I've never read anything by Hopeless (ironic name for a Cable book), I'm not even sure what he's written before.
-Seriously that's Doctor Nemesis? Has Larroca ever seen him before?
I'll probably try it out.
New teaser is out: Superior (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-nycc-superior-announcement-2013.html).
Current guesses seem to be either new Marvelman material or something Spider-Man related.
So the Killers are...
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Uncanny X-Force starring Psylocke, Spiral (WTF), Storm (again WTF), and Puck (Meh). Storm has killed only twice that I can remember and both times she felt awful (even though one of those killing got better). I'm not sure why should would be on this team with murderous bikini ninja but whatever. Psylocke is probably my favorite character and while I enjoyed that RR did acknowledge that she is in fact the sister of Brian and Jamie, she has gone down a really dark road and will probably never be the adventurous, witty English rose again. Too bad.
Read more here - http://www.newsarama.com/comics/uncanny-x-force-psylocke-humphries.html
Storm a killer? Humprhies must be stuck in Ultimates mode. Puck...lulwut? I'll give him Spiral. That could be interesting. Humphries has big shoes to fill and seeing how poorly Ultimates has been since Hickman's departure I can't say I have much confidence in this reboot.
I can't for the life of me ever see Psylocke and Spiral working together... their history together isn't congruent. Also, not even Ultimate Storm was a killer last time I checked into that universe, so he must be channeling an alt version of Storm that probably frequented the Exiles book.
Yeah that's a weird team. Didn't Psylocke quit X-Force for a bit back at the beginning of Final Execution? I got the impression she wanted out. Storm was very much on the Beast side of hating the idea of X-Force so it's bizarre to see her here.
It's really bizarre having two X-Force books too, isn't it?
Pslocke's team are going to be hunters, while Cable's team is the hunted? What are they running away from?
I'm pretty confused about the direction of the X line after Marvel Now.
I'll be reading the Hickman, Remender and Fraction books.... But I'm not sure what else.
Storm and killer shouldn't even be in the same sentence. I am already disappointed, unless she's meant to be the 'heart' of the team, because I don't see her condoning murder. (Even though she did stab Callisto in the heart and really left her for dead... maybe this will be a return of mohawk Storm?)
I don't like there being two X-Force books. Come up with a new title, it's not that hard.
Quote from: laughing paradox on September 18, 2012, 07:16:02 PM
I don't like there being two X-Force books. Come up with a new title, it's not that hard.
If the new Uncanny X-Force follows the last two versions then it will be a secret team, so at least in universe this won't be an issue. Considering Cable's team is being described as a heist type team it might not be officially called X-Force either.
In other news, in the Ultimate Universe:
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it seems Captain America is about to be elected president. I haven't read any Ultimates books in a while but I will say that I like this idea in that at this point the Ultimate Universe is best utilized doing stories that can't be done in the regular books.
on the lighter side ofthings... has anyone else read the conclusion to Spider-Men?
I thought it was fantastic, I just got caught up on the whole series this week, and it was a fun, excellent story... i'm hoping to see some more inter-dimensional team-ups in the future.
Quote from: detourne_me on September 20, 2012, 04:02:57 PM
on the lighter side ofthings... has anyone else read the conclusion to Spider-Men?
I thought it was fantastic, I just got caught up on the whole series this week, and it was a fun, excellent story... i'm hoping to see some more inter-dimensional team-ups in the future.
I have not read the final issue but the previous four have ultimately been amazing![Spectacular pun not intended] I'll probably grab the final issue next week. I honestly don't know why Bendis is going to the X-Men when Spider-Man is clearly his strength. Even in his Avengers titles, Bendis' portrayal of Peter Parker/Spider-Man has been dead on.
Total agree. Bendis does well with street-level superheroes so much better than these huge idea/cosmic titles. His Avengers Assemble has been just blah.
I'm planning in get Spider-Men down the line in reprint form or in bulk during a sale if I can find it. But I kinda feel like I should read some of the earlier USM stuff I haven't read yet first? What you, honorable masters? (that's a Ninja Turtles reference, by the way)
Quote from: Silver Shocker on September 20, 2012, 09:44:20 PM
I'm planning in get Spider-Men down the line in reprint form or in bulk during a sale if I can find it. But I kinda feel like I should read some of the earlier USM stuff I haven't read yet first? What you, honorable masters? (that's a Ninja Turtles reference, by the way)
I think having a better understanding of who Miles Morales would help you enjoy Spider-Men a lot more. So I'd definitely recommend reading the relaunch. You're fine without reading anything ultimate before hand.
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If you didn't know already: Ultimate Peter Parker died saving Gwen and Aunt May from Ultimate Green Goblin.
I'd say that's the only other thing you need to know.
You know the more I read about what Marvel and Dc are doing the more I'm reminded of what happened in the late 80s early 90s when the comics were trying everything to get the readership up and was only running folks away!
Quote from: Deaths Jester on September 24, 2012, 03:34:29 PM
You know the more I read about what Marvel and Dc are doing the more I'm reminded of what happened in the late 80s early 90s when the comics were trying everything to get the readership up and was only running folks away!
One difference though: sales are actually up.
Quote from: Talavar on September 24, 2012, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: Deaths Jester on September 24, 2012, 03:34:29 PM
You know the more I read about what Marvel and Dc are doing the more I'm reminded of what happened in the late 80s early 90s when the comics were trying everything to get the readership up and was only running folks away!
One difference though: sales are actually up.
Yeah, well, I blame that on the movies!
Well, a DC sponsored poll pointed that they got about 5% new readers, the rest was some relapsed readers who came back (about 25%) and some guys buying lots and lots of comics (about 20 titles each). So, they got a few new readers, but convinced their regular ones to buy more comics. I wouldn't be surprised to find Marvel had a similar change.
And I agree with DJ, with the movie effect the sales rise should be even higher.
All those great movies DC has been putting out? :lol:
I was thinking how Dark Knight, Amazing Spidey and and the Avengers movies should had a higher impact sales wise. A lot of people don't know (and don't care) which character is DC and which one is Marvel, they see everyone as just "super-heroes".
I imagine that super hero movies don't really drive people to comic books that much. Everyone knows the major comic book heroes and probably read a comic at some point in their lives. Most people probably know whether they're interested in super hero comics already.
I think that's why we see huge sales boosts for The Walking Dead and Watchmen when those came out. Yes they are comics but they're comics that the mainstream isn't familiar with yet.
Personally I'm of the opinion that comics are a secondary entertainment medium and that there probably isn't anything that can be done that can significantly increase sales over a long term. So Marvel and DC keep pulling these big media moves to ensure attention stays on them so they don't fade out of mind for the fringe readers.
Quote from: John Jr. on September 25, 2012, 11:07:53 PM
I was thinking how Dark Knight, Amazing Spidey and and the Avengers movies should had a higher impact sales wise. A lot of people don't know (and don't care) which character is DC and which one is Marvel, they see everyone as just "super-heroes".
And the people who don't know the difference between Marvel and DC are never going to pick up a superhero comic anyway. Going after those people is as useful as marketing iPads to the Amish.
Quote from: Talavar on September 26, 2012, 01:27:50 AM
Quote from: John Jr. on September 25, 2012, 11:07:53 PM
I was thinking how Dark Knight, Amazing Spidey and and the Avengers movies should had a higher impact sales wise. A lot of people don't know (and don't care) which character is DC and which one is Marvel, they see everyone as just "super-heroes".
And the people who don't know the difference between Marvel and DC are never going to pick up a superhero comic anyway. Going after those people is as useful as marketing iPads to the Amish.
I'm sorry, but I disagree. A lot of people know the characters from tv, movies and games and they will buy comics in some point of their lives, but they don't care about "this guy is DC, but the other one is Marvel". Here, in Brazil, the same publisher (Panini Comics) have the rights for the DC and Marvel lines, so all our super-hero comics come from the same publisher. Most kids I know who read comics aren't interested in the publisher name (in fact, most of them don't care about writers and artists too, just the characters).
Of course we still can buy comics in newsstands, so it's a different game.
John has a point. There are people out there, those who do NOT follow companies, who do not know where each character belongs. I've heard discussions of people thinking Green Lantern was a Marvel character or that the Avengers were DC. These people went out and watched the movies and saw the toons. If the books were presented to them in a convenient locations, and there are areas where that still happens, they would at least browse them. Don't write off the variables.
Way off topic, but I believe that Superheroes, as a genre, have transgressed the medium of comic books. Yes they are originally from comics, but that doesn't mean a fan needs to read the comics to be aware of the characters, stories, tropes and themes.
How many of us know everything about vampires, but have never read a vampire novel? (raises hand)
So, keeping this in mind, I don't lament the fact that movie sales don't bring in new readers. I'm more excited about the fact that one of my favorite genres is afforded a wider audience because of the popularity of the genre across all media - not just the origin.
Of course it would be nice to have that same kind of synergy Harry Potter had, where the sales of the novels kept increasing with each new media product, but just the sheer volume of comics to be bought can be a bit troublesome for new readers....
Det also has a point, and the problem with comics in the 00s in general is that the companies have moved away from general exposure as far as comics go. Comic stores are specialty stores, and not everyone has a Barnes/Nobles in their close vicinity. Moving comics out of general markets was a huge mistake, imo. I remember browsing through many a DC/Marvel (specifically ultimate) books a decade or so ago (right next to the gaming/gossip mags), and then they disappeared off the shelves. Heck, in the 90s, they gave away mini comics in video boxes of shows like X-men: TAS (X-men: Adventures). Companies need to work on their synergy, me thinks.
The difference between films of Harry Potter, for example, helping to sell more novels and superhero films not really helping to sell more comics is I think largely the fault of continuity. I mean, the Harry Potter books and movies are basically telling the same story, with the same characters - the novels are just a more-detailed version.
On the other hand, say a fan of the Captain America & Avengers films wants to read comics about Cap. In those two movies you have a character barely introduced to the modern world, where in the comics he's been in the modern world since the '60s, had numerous secondary identities, major supporting cast changes, death, resurrection, heading SHIELD - I think in the ultimate line he just got elected president. Not only the plot, but the characterization is wildly different than what your movie fan has just seen. To a new reader it's both confusing and daunting.
Quote from: Previsionary on September 26, 2012, 03:47:32 PM
Det also has a point, and the problem with comics in the 00s in general is that the companies have moved away from general exposure as far as comics go. Comic stores are specialty stores, and not everyone has a Barnes/Nobles in their close vicinity. Moving comics out of general markets was a huge mistake, imo. I remember browsing through many a DC/Marvel (specifically ultimate) books a decade or so ago (right next to the gaming/gossip mags), and then they disappeared off the shelves. Heck, in the 90s, they gave away mini comics in video boxes of shows like X-men: TAS (X-men: Adventures). Companies need to work on their synergy, me thinks.
Agreed. Like I said before we still have comics in newsstands here in Brazil, and believe me, it really helps to get the occasional reader...
Talavar is right about the confusing/complex chronology, but I believe Prev nailed the main problem.
Talavar, this is why it constantly disappoints me that both DC and Marvel keep cancelling their easy access/new reader friendly books. You can't keep telling the fans that you want new fans/eyes and then do everything in your power to keep them from even being able to put a toe into the water. Even I, as a long time fan, feel a little daunted at going back to DC or Marvel because of how much has changed since I last read. I never understood their thinking on that.
Just an example, but my niece went through a really heavy Spider-man phase. At the time, only Spider-man 1 & 2 were out, with 3 on the way. Back then, I had a few choices of books I could safely show her without worrying about anything. Years later, those choices dried up. I wouldn't dare show her anything now if her interest ever resparked in any comic property by the big 2.
Some comments from this week's Marvel comics:
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X-Men Legacy: Happy to see David Baldeon back on art. House cleaning continues as Gage ends Rogue and Magneto's relationship - this makes me sad. Also there's some hints as to Magneto's post AvX role. One more issue as this run crawls to a close.
Amazing Spider-Man: I don't have much to say about this issue. For those interested Alpha was essentially depowered but his powers will return and Spider-Man will give him another shot at being a hero in the future. More exciting next week the Hobgoblin arc begins! Been waiting for this for a while.
Secret Avengers: Enjoyed this especially since it focuses on Agent Venom and (the probably a fake) Ant-Man, two favorites of mine. Rick Remender continues to write good stuff, I look forward to Uncanny Avengers.
Wolverine and the X-Men: I don't really care much about Doop, but as a one shot story this was fun.
Quote from: Previsionary on September 26, 2012, 11:28:32 PM
Talavar, this is why it constantly disappoints me that both DC and Marvel keep cancelling their easy access/new reader friendly books. You can't keep telling the fans that you want new fans/eyes and then do everything in your power to keep them from even being able to put a toe into the water. Even I, as a long time fan, feel a little daunted at going back to DC or Marvel because of how much has changed since I last read. I never understood their thinking on that.
Just an example, but my niece went through a really heavy Spider-man phase. At the time, only Spider-man 1 & 2 were out, with 3 on the way. Back then, I had a few choices of books I could safely show her without worrying about anything. Years later, those choices dried up. I wouldn't dare show her anything now if her interest ever resparked in any comic property by the big 2.
well there are new ultimate spider-man and avengers:emh (both based on toons) books
and the young justice comic is very much in continuity for the show.
Wow..look at me...I say a short sentence or two about how poor the comics are looking nowadays and a whole new converstaion begins. Didn't know I had it in me! :P
Quote from: John Jr. on September 25, 2012, 03:29:07 AM
Well, a DC sponsored poll pointed that they got about 5% new readers, the rest was some relapsed readers who came back (about 25%) and some guys buying lots and lots of comics (about 20 titles each). So, they got a few new readers, but convinced their regular ones to buy more comics. I wouldn't be surprised to find Marvel had a similar change.
And I agree with DJ, with the movie effect the sales rise should be even higher.
I can't imagine that Marvel's results were much different, and the thing is, most of those returning prodigals, like me, will read for a time, realize that nothing has changed, and eventually drop their books. Thus, a massive event caused very little long-term change...but that's a conversation we've already had.
Quote from: Podmark on September 25, 2012, 11:53:41 PM
I imagine that super hero movies don't really drive people to comic books that much. Everyone knows the major comic book heroes and probably read a comic at some point in their lives. Most people probably know whether they're interested in super hero comics already.
I think that's why we see huge sales boosts for The Walking Dead and Watchmen when those came out. Yes they are comics but they're comics that the mainstream isn't familiar with yet.
Personally I'm of the opinion that comics are a secondary entertainment medium and that there probably isn't anything that can be done that can significantly increase sales over a long term. So Marvel and DC keep pulling these big media moves to ensure attention stays on them so they don't fade out of mind for the fringe readers.
Pod...I think you're being a bit too narrow minded. As Prev. and JJ pointed out, just because people aren't responding to what has been done, it doesn't mean that they wouldn't respond to anything. Providing easy access to comics, making comics accessible, and actually building synchronicity between their other media undertakings and the books themselves would likely have a pretty profound effect, but only if they targeted all of these efforts, UNIFIED efforts, to recruiting and keeping NEW readers. Unless comics start getting kids to read again, and managing to hold on to those kids as they grow, there isn't much future for the medium as it has existed. In other words, yeah, if the big two continue to try the same thing again and again, they'll continue to get the same results...but if they changed the game, they might just see something different happen.
Quote from: BentonGrey on September 28, 2012, 06:04:36 PM
Pod...I think you're being a bit too narrow minded. As Prev. and JJ pointed out, just because people aren't responding to what has been done, it doesn't mean that they wouldn't respond to anything. Providing easy access to comics, making comics accessible, and actually building synchronicity between their other media undertakings and the books themselves would likely have a pretty profound effect, but only if they targeted all of these efforts, UNIFIED efforts, to recruiting and keeping NEW readers. Unless comics start getting kids to read again, and managing to hold on to those kids as they grow, there isn't much future for the medium as it has existed. In other words, yeah, if the big two continue to try the same thing again and again, they'll continue to get the same results...but if they changed the game, they might just see something different happen.
Perhaps, and I probably came off more pessimistic than I intended, and I wasn't really accounting for a game changer either. There is certainly room for growth, and there are lots of things that the comics industry could do to improve things.
Continuity is clearly the biggest problem. How do you sell a brand new reader on Captain America, for example, when there's hundreds of in canon solo stories, Avengers stories, etc. to read - all of varying tone, and quality.
Quote from: Podmark on September 28, 2012, 10:44:00 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on September 28, 2012, 06:04:36 PM
Pod...I think you're being a bit too narrow minded. As Prev. and JJ pointed out, just because people aren't responding to what has been done, it doesn't mean that they wouldn't respond to anything. Providing easy access to comics, making comics accessible, and actually building synchronicity between their other media undertakings and the books themselves would likely have a pretty profound effect, but only if they targeted all of these efforts, UNIFIED efforts, to recruiting and keeping NEW readers. Unless comics start getting kids to read again, and managing to hold on to those kids as they grow, there isn't much future for the medium as it has existed. In other words, yeah, if the big two continue to try the same thing again and again, they'll continue to get the same results...but if they changed the game, they might just see something different happen.
Perhaps, and I probably came off more pessimistic than I intended, and I wasn't really accounting for a game changer either. There is certainly room for growth, and there are lots of things that the comics industry could do to improve things.
Continuity is clearly the biggest problem. How do you sell a brand new reader on Captain America, for example, when there's hundreds of in canon solo stories, Avengers stories, etc. to read - all of varying tone, and quality.
Yep, a completely blank slate is the only thing that's going to really change things, as far as I'm concerned, though preferably they'd do this in conjunction with a great TV show. *looks sadly at Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes and its great accompanying comic* The continuity issue would be less of a problem going forward, given the nature of the digital age, especially if they could find ways to make electronic back-issues more easily available and more high profile. You can put physical books in the toy isle of Walmart or the like, but how do you get kids to notice something digital? Perhaps partner with websites kids visit?
I'm not convinced tying into a cartoon (or movie) is the way to go (I mean as an exclusive direction). Not unless you've got the live action people totally on board.
You run a serious risk of feeling like a secondary/supplementary medium. For example I'm a fan of the Young Justice cartoon, which has a (apparently very good) comic written by one of the show runners - but I don't read it. I've thought about it and probably will get the trade eventually, but so far I haven't. The reason why is that my understanding is that the comic plays in the gaps between the episodes, and that hurts my interest.
As a gateway tying into a show/movie works, but after that you need to stand on your own... unless you created a new paradigm where watching/reading both was essential, neither was the primary work.
Cyclops was right. and again they are turning Cap into a whiny loser that comes off looking like a bossy winner. (especially if you look at the preview for uncanny avengers at the way he's bullying havok around)
I'm of the mindset that Marvel/DC really needs to keep their light, easy to read books around to satiate the newer fans that might come their way via the toons/movies. The Adventure line was perfect for that when the writers didn't write the books as if they were for 2 year olds. Marvel and DC really messed up by getting rid of all those books. Like I said before, I would never let any kids read the majority of their book line up now. Even the 90s had a better selection of books you could actually find a child reading in school.
Quote from: Podmark on September 28, 2012, 11:20:47 PM
I'm not convinced tying into a cartoon (or movie) is the way to go (I mean as an exclusive direction). Not unless you've got the live action people totally on board.
You run a serious risk of feeling like a secondary/supplementary medium. For example I'm a fan of the Young Justice cartoon, which has a (apparently very good) comic written by one of the show runners - but I don't read it. I've thought about it and probably will get the trade eventually, but so far I haven't. The reason why is that my understanding is that the comic plays in the gaps between the episodes, and that hurts my interest.
As a gateway tying into a show/movie works, but after that you need to stand on your own... unless you created a new paradigm where watching/reading both was essential, neither was the primary work.
I'm gonna defend the young justice comic, as it's just about the only marvel/dc comic I look forward to reading anymore. Whereas most tie-in books have to avoid doing stories that have any relevance to the plot of the show, because YJ is written by one of the shows creators (Greg Weisman, of Gargoyles and Spectacular Spiderman lore) the comic can weave in and out of the storyline from the show and give more details about the stuff going on in the background that the show doesn't have time for.
For example, the little blurb we saw with the Clayface fight... we're told that Aqualad made a bad call and that he was distracted, but the show doesn't tell us what the call was and why it was a mistake. The comic fills in that information, and thus feels more like an expansion of the series rather than a normal tie-in book.
So... UE told me about this:
Superior Spider-man (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2012/10/10/superior-spider-man-comic-book-series/1624319/)
MJ and Spidey reunite? (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/10/11/dan-slott-talks-superior-spider-man-at-nycc/)
So, the Uncanny Avengers came out this week.. what did you think?
I liked it. It's a solid beginning to a new era and even though I knew who to expect, the ending was still a decent surprise.
Anyone else like it?
I picked it up this week, and I thought it was rather good.
Confirmation from NYCC: a new Nova ongoing is coming, written by Jeph Loeb, and a new Guardians of the Galaxy, written by Brian Bendis. Sigh. At least now maybe Avengers books will be good.
I've been meaning to make a few comic posts over the last couple weeks but I've been sick and busy.
NewsAs Talavar posted the new
Guardians of the Galaxy has been confirmed with Steve McNiven on art (yay). So I'm not a Bendis booster either but I'll definitely be giving this series a try, I really liked the previous one. Not sure about
Nova though. It is supposed to be Sam Alexander, but will they ever get around to explaining what happened to Richie and how Star-Lord, Drax and Thanos are even alive. That's been bugging me.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/guardians-of-the-galaxy-brian-bendis.html
New
Young Avengers title is confirmed by Kieron Gillen with art by Jamie McKelvie and Mike Norton. New lineup includes: Wiccan, Hulkling, Hawkeye, Noh-Varr, Miss America, and Kid Loki. Some new customes have been promised. Looking forward to this, but it feels weird to have the Young Avengers with so many of the originals missing.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-now-young-avengers.html
The cover to the new
Uncanny X-Force has been revealed. Bishop is the villain and we have a female Fantomex and a mohawk wearing Storm. Those last two have me wondering if this might involve alternate realities as Storm has been shown in All New X-Men and Wolverine and the X-Men previews and she has her normal hair in those.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-now-uncanny-x-force-1-cover.html
Jonathan Hickman had a conference call about
Avengers and
New Avengers a week or two back. The New Avengers book will feature the Illuminati characters (Mr Fantastic, Iron Man, Black Bolt, Black Panther, Doctor Strange, and Namor) plus Captain America and Beast subbing for Xavier. Interesting choice and Hickman states that the two books will be sister titles. Also Avengers is now supposed to have a roster of about 25. Black Panther and Namor on the same team after AvX and Wakanda should be entertaining.
Comics
AvX is over and here are some thoughts:
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Ultimately I think I liked it. It was a long story and most of the tie-ins were weak, but I like what it accomplished and how it wrapped up the X-Men storylines of the last several years. The thing about the story is that it's really just about people being idiots and not working together. The end result - Hope using the Phoenix to restore mutants is exactly what Cyclops wanted, and if the Avengers hadn't got in their way then that's what might have happened. A one issue story - mutants restored. Instead of fighting the two teams should have worked together to train and prepare Hope and prepare contingencies if something went wrong. But no, instead we get a war because we can't get along - there's a moral there.
I really liked how everything played out with Cyclops and I'm really looking forward to how his story plays out. I just hope they don't try to turn him into a proper villain though. Putting him in a normal prison in AvX Consequences is dumb, he should be in some SHIELD facility.
I'm happy that Hope is still around, but I'm not happy she's going to try living a normal life - it makes sense but I'm rather her appear in a book. I grew to like Hope over the years so I'm happy they didn't kill her off. One thing I didn't like about AvX is that the Lights played no role whatsoever in the story, which makes no sense in terms of everything played up in Generation Hope.
I liked
Uncanny Avengers. I've enjoyed Remender's most recent Marvel titles and I'm hoping for more of the same.
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I both love and hate the ending with the Red Skull getting Xavier's brain. Love it because there's some cool stuff you could do with that. Hate it because come on the guy just didn't, stealing his brain just isn't right Skull.
I continue to enjoy
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Last issue ended on a sad note as Broo has apparently been killed by the Hellfire Club. He's been showed in future previews though and he seemed like a big part of the book so I'm hoping he pulls through. Though they might just pull a Secret Avengers.
One thing from
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A few months ago Eric O'Grady, the most recent Ant-Man, was seemingly killed and I was sad. Then he came back and I was happy. Now it's been all but confirmed that the returning O'Grady is instead a double agent LMD which makes me kinda sad again but the story has been pretty cool. Now he has become the Black Ant and is ready to attack the team.
Also Hawkeye is an idiot in this book.
Why won't they just leave Bishop alone? I knew he would come back eventually. Marvel isn't done digging his hole yet. Still not happy with the illuminati returning, but wevskies.
Read Uncanny Avengers. Not bad, solid comic to say the least. Read the latest WATX (obviously). Me and Jason Aaron aren't on friendly terms for awhile given the ending. I've always been iffy on this series as it is. It's not unwell for what it is, but I'm not sure if what it is is what appeals to me personally. Oh, and I did read Red She-Hulk of the new crop, almost forgot. The book surprised me, clean read and good on the action front. I have a heart for Machine Man as well so it won points with me.
Currently in a state of Corn Fusion with this Marvel Now! thing. Uncertain about Superior Spider-man, but at least the same talent is staying on. It seems like an awkward premise, but Slott hasn't steered me wrong yet on this so I'll have faith. I tend to follow certain talent. I'm also an X-men first person, not really so hot on Avengers and I have an off and on relationship with all of that stable. Now, It seems the talent is mixed around and I almost always have to read about Avengers if I want to read about mutants? Or vice-versa or whatever. Uncertainty is my best description for my feeling as I won't really knock anything until I've tried it. I love Hickman, don't care about the Illuminati. Care about Fantastic Four (due to Hickman though), don't really enjoy Fraction on team books. Marvel claims FF will be the sleeper hit of 2013...I'm not sure, are they saying this because the previous run was? I feel like the one is going to be the sleeper hit is Avengers Arena (I have yet to get excited, but left field books usually end up grabbing me) or Young Avengers (I love the YA, love Noh-Var, and love Vengeance, this looks like the series for me!) Not stoked about Bishop either, nor Forge for the same reason. Yet I somehow have an eyebrow raised for the X-Force book itself? Maybe that's for Cable and Domino. New Thunderbolts series that looks like Code Red really doesn't interest me. LOVE Captain Marvel, very refreshing and beautiful stuff. I'll give anything by Deconnick a shot that comes next. Only a Bendis fan when he's on a gritty/street book, not interested in new GoTg. Nova looks...eh, lol. Marvel shouldn't have jerked around DnA, that's all I'll say to that. Not sure I really care to read about a book focusing on Legion in Legacy, or whatever passes as Legion now days. Hulk doesn't really interest me, but looks like it could surprise me. AvX Consequences is okay so far...but just Avx run off. Not sure I'll finish it. A+X, despite having a really lame name looks like something I'll be interested in. I like short story/multi-talent compilation books. Yeah, Corn Fusion, that's about it. Though " All New All Different Your Marvel Universe " really isn't anything I'm not used to seeing after every event to two, so still not an overall surprise either. If for some reason Allred being full time at Marvel brings an X-Static series back the shelves my year will be made.
Ha! I feel the same way about these too SickAlice.
But... I can't wait for FF, Allred on art with a character called Miss Thing? I'm sold!
I'm hoping she becomes the new U-Go Girl! (without the dying bit)
Also the main F4 title looks interesting, I hope they follow up on what adult Val has been planning.
Young Avengers might be pretty great too. I loved Vengeance as well and McKelvie's style can be similar to Dragotta's at times.
I get anything with Jen in it, and love Allred so I'm getting FF. Reading my own words, I could probably reword the opinion on FF a little better (and pretty much all of it, half asleep and my brain was replaying the Walking Dead premiere at the moment). As far as Marvel Now! FF is concerned, I love Allred. I am noticing a lot of new readers and younger ones don't seem to as much, usually the opinion is regarding his style as too cartoon. I can't even argue with that. I know I like Mike's stuff because he's fan hard and nostalgic to me, I read books like Madman and X-Static. It would be like if Todd McFarlane announced he was doing a new book, people who read Spawn and bought the figures and what not would jump for joy, even if it was about a slice of bread (there's a super vague Slott reference, yes ;P). But there are those still that do appreciate Allred. But Mike isn't driving the vehicle, that's Fraction. Really, I did love his The Order (clearly by some of the skins I did). I also thought he fit Tony Stark like a glove. His X-men however I wasn't too comfortable with, and nor were a lot of readers. Fraction likes to write techy, that works for most fiction. His characterization seems to be that he tends to write characters like snobby overconfident stars. That worked with The Order, as that's pretty much what the characters were. Also with Tony Stark, since that's pretty much his lifestyle. When it came to X-Men, well that kind of demeanor fit people that like Namor, and Emma, and even Dr.Nemesis, but it was out of place when it came to people like Colossus and Cyclops. At least that's how I felt out (again, so did a lot of people, many to the point of being outspoken). Now, given the cast of FF he may actually be a good. I question it more though with Fantastic 4. I just don't see him fitting those characters, except maybe Johnny? But still it's not in my hands so this is speculation, anything could go. But do I see FF becoming a sleeper hit? Not really. FF was a hit already. But it was a hit because it was coming off the end of Fantastic 4 by Hickman, which was already hot, and off the death issue, which was red hot and front page comic news. And it stared Spider-man, Mr.Fantastic, Thing, Susan Storm, Franklin Richards, Dr.Doom, and Val upfront to name a few. I like vague stuff personally, I like the characters that make up the 4 in FF, but to wish for it to live up to success that the previous run had? I just don't see it. My experience is that it's the type of book that ends prematurely like most vague books staring vague characters do (see: Blue Marvel, Nextwave, X-23, recent She-Hulk attempts ect.), and readers are then online wondering why Marvel where such jerks and cancelled the most original book(s) they had. And the math is too obvious, because the majority of the readers whom actually pay for comics are going to pick up the ones staring the popular character first, your Wolverines, Spider-mans, Supermans, Batmans, and on, as well make a choice of ease on their pocketbook and get the family book that also represents the flagship characters, in this case the Fantastic 4 book over FF. I forecast a similar fate for Avengers Arena. I recall a series once upon a time not too long ago called Avengers The Initiative. When first in print, one would mention this series and most people would respond " Huh? ". At it's end the readers it pulled in loved it instead. But it really didn't pull because frankly, their aren't swarms of fans for characters like Tarene, Komodo, Cloud 9, Prodigy, Butterball, and whom else, nor even enough to keep a comic a float. So I think I'll like FF in that respect, I'm sure a few people will. But I think a few people coming in off the previous run are going to scratching their heads, and I think Marvel's being presumtious (or tossing out the usual sales pitch) when they say that books going to be their big hit. And I think all in all as far as Marvel Now! is concerned, their are many really innovative looking ideas slated, and there are a lot of really talented people to look fore ward too, but I think also overall they're going to alienate much of their hardcore fans with these drastic shifts, much as they did with Dark Reign. Like I stated in the DC thread, I do know the details of why they " have to " do all this as much as I understand why DC does, but I also know where the fallout will happen as well, and thus for myself the independents floated to the top of my list for their better ability to stay both refreshing yet stable at the same time. Additionally, I feel I see as much rebranding for Marvel here to relate to live action audiences as I do see relative to their new animation plan and production team (Loeb's Nova especially sticking out like a sore thumb) though can't say for certain whether that's a good or bad thing (good in the way it brings in more readers, thus keeping sales, comics and quality on the up, negative in the way it may diminish the quality of the reading and again alienate longtime readers? Just a probable of course). As a bonus, it looks like Marvel Now! will provide us with tons of chances to make meshes and skins through 2013. :)
* noting: Whereas AvX ended as the flipside of Disassembled/House Of M, Marvel Now! appears (at least in reading from a lot of dialogue coming off NYCC at this point, particularly Alonzo) as it's Decimation. Sound about right to anyone else?
Quote from: Previsionary on October 11, 2012, 09:37:05 PM
So... UE told me about this:
Superior Spider-man (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2012/10/10/superior-spider-man-comic-book-series/1624319/)
MJ and Spidey reunite? (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/10/11/dan-slott-talks-superior-spider-man-at-nycc/)
Why do I have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach?
The title alone, "Superior Spider-Man", does not resonate with me.
The idea that MJ will be "getting together with Spider-Man" but it's not "Peter Parker Spider-Man" is even worse.
What is going on with Peter Parker that's leading into this?
I've been reading some articles (here (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-now-next-big-thing-all-new-x-men.html)and here (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41814)) about Brian Bendis's All New X-Men this past week and I'm actually pretty happy with what I'm hearing.
When it was confirmed he was coming into the X-Verse I was afraid he was going rebuild everything in his image the way he did when he took over the Avengers. But it sounds like he's going continue building on what was already there along with Jason Aaron.
Definitely looking forward to trying the book but Bendis' writing tends to wear on me so I'm not getting my hopes up.
Overall I'm pretty excited about Marvel now. New writers on Avengers is a very welcome change. The X-Books (which I like) haven't changed too much. We've got Guardians of the Galaxy and Young Avengers starting up again. Some of the costumes are questionable and Avengers Arena looks like a potential disaster but right now I'm looking forward to a lot of the relaunches.
In other news Slott either spoiled the identity of the Superior Spider-Man or he's playing with fans (I'm guessing the later). On twitter he apparently accidentally made a private post public that referred to
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Miguel, presumably Miguel O'Hara the Spider-Man 2099.
Last week's Spider-Man featured the old and new Hobgoblins facing off, which is a story I've been looking forward to. Was actually planning some Hobgoblin skins but time has gotten away from me this month.
Quote from: Podmark on October 27, 2012, 06:18:17 PM
In other news Slott either spoiled the identity of the Superior Spider-Man or he's playing with fans (I'm guessing the later). On twitter he apparently accidentally made a private post public that referred to Spoiler
Miguel, presumably Miguel O'Hara the Spider-Man 2099.
If that's true, they might just as well have entitled it --
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Spider-Man: The Next Generation
Or even if it isn't true. :P
Story about Marvel Now with some covers over at CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/06/showbiz/marvel-then-now/index.html?hpt=hp_rr_7
I haven't gone through my stack from this week yet (an insane number of comics to get this week! WATX, Batman, Walking Dead, Saga...)
But has anyone else read All-New X-Men?
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I really like this direction, and I actually enjoy seeing Scott as a proactive Mutant Terrorist... He's like the anti-establishment Greenpeace movement of the '70s
The three teams they have set up seem to work really well too!
Yeah, I liked it too. Bendis' worst writing quirks seemed to be in check, and I think Immonen's gotten a lot better since Fear Itself. Though...
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1. I'm worried about Beast
2. I find the ideas for the new mutants a bit redundant. We've got a white hetero girl with time-manipulation powers (similar to the powers Sway had in Deadly Genesis) and a black guy who looks kinda like Prodigy with healing powers (yeah, let's not USE Elixir, let's just create a new character with the exact same power set. On the plus side, the X-Men universe now has at least three characters who can heal others (including Angel) so they have no excuse now). And NEITHER of them look like exotic aliens! I just wonder if a little more diversity might have been preferable, yaknow since X-Men is a franchise based entirely around diversity. That's all I'm saying.
Yeah I quite liked All New X-Men, looking forward to more.
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I'm liking Cyclops direction too DM.
Well, about diversity... There is in the new WatX
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A Brazilian girl wereshark, an Alabaman white boy crawdad, and numerous other misfits...although they are part ofa new Hellfire School...we think.
Wasn't there also the Chinese butterfly girl too?
Read All New X-men. Much better than I expect it to be. I was shocked. Not getting the thing about Beast though. I assume that's an artifact from the ton of stories I missed?
Also, I read that janet is back alive. How'd that happen?
Quote from: Previsionary on November 16, 2012, 04:47:15 AM
Also, I read that janet is back alive. How'd that happen?
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Jan was apparently shrank down into a subatomic universe when she tried fighting the Skrull super virus they put into her Pym particles. So while Thor was pulling all of the overload energy from Jan and everyone believing she was sacrificing herself she was dropped into the other subatomic world and living as a freedom fighter against the army that controlled that realm she was trapped in. It was just blind luck that an old communicator frequency finally was able to be detected by Pym and Tony Stark to locate her.
The post-AVX storyline seems to be setting up roots for the infamous Summers Rebellion which sends Cyclops off into a deeper relationship with Emma and having kids with her including Ruby (who was part of an alternate earth storyline with Madrox and Layla in X-Factor). I'm all up for having Scott striking off to prove himself with his own X-Men team and loving the idea of young Cyclops and old Cyclops clashing over their methods and maybe ending up with the younger Cyclops trying to step up and not make the same mistakes.
- CQ
Quote from: crimsonquill on November 16, 2012, 06:24:48 AM
The post-AVX storyline seems to be setting up roots for the infamous Summers Rebellion which sends Cyclops off into a deeper relationship with Emma and having kids with her including Ruby
Actually Bendis has said Emma and Scott will be breaking up in Uncanny.
Thanks Crimson for the Janet info. Oi. Vey. It's weird that she "wasn't dead" when I clearly recall seeing her in hell, but then again, Mighty Avengers negated that appearance first, lol.
Podmark, did he now? The possibility of Scott/Emma heading towards the timeline we saw in X-factor was actually amusing, and I could get on board with that. Current Scott actually fits Emma more than any other character as of this moment. Of course, he'd be better off alone, me thinks.
Amazing Spider-Man #698:
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Peter Parker has been left for dead. Long live Doc Ock in Peter's body (with Peter in Otto's, which is in cardiac arrest)
I was pretty sure this was coming up, I'd heard extensive speculation about it online. That being said the issue is really well done. And while it has a fill-in artist, the guy's really good. Like one of the best fill-ins I've ever seen. Also Sha-Shan makes a brief appearance as Aunt May's physical rehab nurse. Neat.
Storyline has me intrigued, interested in seeing where it goes. But Otto making the moves on MJ? Yeah, eww.
Haven't read anything else from this week yet, so pop in later once I have.
How is Cyclops no longer incarcerated?
Quote from: murs47 on November 25, 2012, 10:30:44 PM
How is Cyclops no longer incarcerated?
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Magneto, Magik, and Danger busted him out on Cyclops' orders. This occurred in AvX Consequences #5. I'm assuming they busted Emma out afterwards.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on November 21, 2012, 09:34:28 PM
Amazing Spider-Man #698:
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Peter Parker has been left for dead. Long live Doc Ock in Peter's body (with Peter in Otto's, which is in cardiac arrest)
Storyline has me intrigued, interested in seeing where it goes. But Otto making the moves on MJ? Yeah, eww.
Waitaminit...
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Doc Ock is the new Spider-Man? Seriously? Isn't he one of the bad guys?
Now I'm confused. I should hope that's not going to be permanent, and that they have a logical 'out' already prepared in advance...
So I just wanted to express my love for Hawkeye, Uncanny Avengers and All-New X-men.
They've been great. That is all.
Reading over the thread, and I believe Prevs link to the USA Today article screams Spiderman 2009! Look at the talons on the hands and feet, and the use of black over blue. This could be a real possibility... Maybe Pete's near death experience will lead to another retirement (ahem... vacation). Only thing we are missing is the web cape. [color]
(http://htmlimg4.scribdassets.com/8lo7mgmji81vd17l/images/1-6c7c515f6e.jpg)
Quote from: laughing paradox on November 30, 2012, 04:08:56 PM
So I just wanted to express my love for Hawkeye, Uncanny Avengers and All-New X-men.
They've been great. That is all.
Heck Yeah!
and I really love X-men Legacy too.
Quote from: XStream on November 30, 2012, 05:15:26 PM
Reading over the thread, and I believe Prevs link to the USA Today article screams Spiderman 2009! Look at the talons on the hands and feet, and the use of black over blue. This could be a real possibility... Maybe Pete's near death experience will lead to another retirement (ahem... vacation). Only thing we are missing is the web cape. [color]
Personally I'm predicting the Superior Spider-Man is:
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Peter Parker
...
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in the body of someone else most likely Miguel O'Hara or Norman Osborn. Not sure how it happens but that's what I'm expecting.
Doc Ock will continue to control Peter's body I think.
Thus far I'm really enjoying the Marvel Now era. Bendis has impressed me on All-New X-Men, and I'm really enjoying Uncanny Avengers, Hawkeye, Uncanny X-Force, Wolverine and the X-Men and Amazing Spider-Man.
Looking forward to Uncanny X-Men, Superior Spider-Man, and Hickman's Avengers. Avengers starts next week and I have pretty high expectations.
i just read an old one, onslaught reborn, from 08. the story was good, and i thought the art was superb. it is the best work I have seen liefeld do. so, i sent him an email, telling him this. and he replied!
QuoteI had a blast doing that series. Glad you enjoyed. Thx, Rob
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(http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/2/2a/Scarlet_Witch_%28by_Rob_Liefeld%29_1.jpg)
In the latest issue of
All New X-Men it finally happened...
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Beast is no longer a cat :(
A new secondary mutation, likely triggered by the Phoenix restoring mutants, has turned him into what X-Men editor Nick Lowe calls Gorilla Beast. You can see it here (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/spoiler-sport-all-new-x-men-character-change.html).
I like it, the pants are nice. But I was a huge fan of Cat Beast and I am very sad to see it go.
Been really enjoying All New X-Men. Only real complain might be that the pace is a little slow, but that's fairly common in modern comics.
And here's a few other tidbits about comics I've been reading:
Venom has really dropped off in quality since Rick Remender left both in art and writing. I'm still picking it up for now.
On the same note the
Minimum Carnage crossover was pretty poor. Just a complete lack of anything interesting, and far too much Microverse.
I've been super excited about Jonathan Hickman's
Avengers and
New Avengers, but the results thus far have been mixed. I like the stuff with the actual Avengers, but the villains have done nothing for me so far. Really neat team in Avengers though, very interested in the new Smasher and Captain Universe.
The premise of
Avengers Arena, with teen heroes forced to fight each other to death by Arcade, has been very controversial for many fans including myself, but so far I've found the series very engaging. But it has killed a character in each of the first two issues, so controversy is definitely justified thus far.
Avengers Arena - the best done comic I don't like. Two issues in, both very well done, with strong writing and an apparently good understanding of character, but I don't think I can get past the core concept - it just offends me. And Arcade getting all Dr. Light-ed
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by that I mean becoming suddenly deadly competent and monstrous after years of being pretty much a joke
doesn't do much for me either.
+1 to Beast's new look.
Just wanted to share my thoughts about the spoilers for ASM #700 and the coming "Superior" Spider-Man.
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Marvel has ruined Spider-Man for me forever. I cannot accept Otto Octavius as Spider-Man, especially the vile way the deed has been portrayed. Otto possessing Peter's body, impersonating Peter, murdering Peter, and essentially stealing Peter's life and relationships... it's just horrible and sick, no matter how they end up spinning it.
Oh, I'm sure that eventually "Peter" will probably be back... somehow. It's not like Marvel didn't leave themselves enough of an "out" from what little I've read. How they're going to have a Doctor Octopus character going forward is another question.
But this storyline, among others, marks what I feel is the dark and twisted mind of present-day Marvel. They've corrupted characters who stood for something better, to satisfy the egos of writers who think they can top everything that has gone before.
It's pretty simple. Peter was a survivor who was also a hero -- a rare combination. Now he's dead and he's been replaced by a murderer who's deluded himself into thinking he can become the hero. And he's not the only one who's deluding themselves, if Marvel thinks this is a great story. This was even worse than Brand New Day, and it's the last nail in Spider-Man's coffin as far as I'm concerned.
'Nuff said. Goodbye, Peter... you deserved better.
http://www.spiderfan.org/faq/dead.html
read that, it might make you feel a little better.
Anyway, in my opinion it was truly an excellent story, you can really tell that Slott has nothing but the utmost respect for the history of Spider-Man when you actually read his run on ASM. More than once I've cried while reading it this year. Tears of joy, nostaligia, and awe at the heroism that Slott instills in the character. For the past 2+ years Peter's rallying cry was "Nobody dies!"... we'll have to see how this story plays out.
The only other superhero comics in which i've openly wept for this year have been the Hickman F4 issues when Spidey joins the FF and when Reed and Ben share a beer at the end.
I really enjoyed ASM 700 as well, Det.
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It was a very gripping story and I really didn't know how it would end. My favorite part was at the end where Peter turned certain defeat into a victory, by making Ock relive his memories and take on Peter's responsibility before Peter died. That moment actually felt like a pretty perfect cap to Peter's life to me.
I'll be surprised if Peter's not back within two years (I can think of at least 3 easy outs) but in the meantime I'm very interested in seeing how Superior plays out.
Quote from: detourne_me on January 07, 2013, 08:10:06 PM
http://www.spiderfan.org/faq/dead.html
read that, it might make you feel a little better.
Nope.
Look, I know comic book characters die and that death is normally about as permanent as jello.
But this is not Spider-Man. This is "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" Marvel-style. Doesn't anyone else find this creepy?
Quote from: BlueBard on January 08, 2013, 03:00:45 PM
Quote from: detourne_me on January 07, 2013, 08:10:06 PM
http://www.spiderfan.org/faq/dead.html
read that, it might make you feel a little better.
Nope.
Look, I know comic book characters die and that death is normally about as permanent as jello.
But this is not Spider-Man. This is "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" Marvel-style. Doesn't anyone else find this creepy?
I do. I have no interest in reading about the current Spider-man for this reason.
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Otto, even trying to do good, is not a heroic character; at best they've made Spider-man into some kind of anti-hero, and I'm not interested.
So here's my main problem with this.
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It's not so much the fact that Peter has been replaced. That's been done before. Various Marvel characters have at various times been cloned or impersonated or possessed.
Most of the time, we don't know for sure that the character has been replaced, or how, or why until the big reveal. We're not really involved in the private life and thoughts of those characters... mostly we just see the public persona.
This is vastly different.
Marvel expects their readers to experience Peter's life through Doctor Octavius' eyes. They will KNOW every step of the way that this isn't really Peter Parker, that Otto has stolen Peter's body and his life. We're being cordially invited to live Peter Parker's life through the mind of a psychopath.
This is sick and twisted. There's nothing beautiful about it.
I certainly wouldn't want my children exposed to that version of Spider-Man, and it makes me very uncomfortable with the exposure they already have with Spider-Man because I have no idea how far Marvel will go in tainting it. How would I even explain something like this?
The twist of Spidey 700 has already been "tamed" in the first issue of Superior from what I've seen. That's all I'll say about that.
Beast's new look is like a mix of his old look and his cat look. It's whatever.
If by "tamed" you mean --
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Peter's memories and personality begin to reassert dominance and it's basically Peter again with Doc Ock's memories
It would be one of the ways in which I expected Marvel to eventually reverse themselves, but doesn't change a whole lot.
And I'm not buying "Superior" to find out.
I quite enjoyed Superior Spider-Man #1, but I'm a fan of Slott's run so that's not really surprising. I really liked Stegman's art and the new Sinister Six was fun. I both liked and disliked that it was a done in one. Liked because short arcs are always nice, and disliked because I wanted more of this Sinister Six.
As for the twist:
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Peter appears in a ghostly form to stop Otto from killing Boomerang. The issue doesn't really give details about what Peter is, but likely guesses would be a) he's a ghost or b) he's still present in his brain. Either way Peter is "still in this fight!" - reading that totally had me giddy.
Wasn't that surprised by this development, Slott or Wacker alluded to a twist in the first issue a week or two ago and I figured it'd be something like this.
Quote from: Podmark on January 12, 2013, 02:01:08 AM
As for the twist:
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Peter appears in a ghostly form to stop Otto from killing Boomerang. The issue doesn't really give details about what Peter is, but likely guesses would be a) he's a ghost or b) he's still present in his brain. Either way Peter is "still in this fight!" - reading that totally had me giddy.
Wasn't that surprised by this development, Slott or Wacker alluded to a twist in the first issue a week or two ago and I figured it'd be something like this.
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I think what you have under b) is correct. Wacker or Slott (not sure who) said that Peter taking full controll of his body might seem like a logical continuation of the development at the end of SS#1, but that might not happen. That being said, I'd like to see what BB posted at the end of this arc, Peter being in charge of his body while still retaining Otto's memories. That way even if they sorta return to old status quo Peter is still changed from the experience, and is still "superior" in a way.
I liked the first issue, lots of fun. Liked the interaction between new Spidey and sinister six. This current status quo has a lot of potential for fun stories, rlly wanna see where they go with this.
Quote from: bat1987 on January 12, 2013, 01:06:22 PM
Quote from: Podmark on January 12, 2013, 02:01:08 AM
As for the twist:
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Peter appears in a ghostly form to stop Otto from killing Boomerang. The issue doesn't really give details about what Peter is, but likely guesses would be a) he's a ghost or b) he's still present in his brain. Either way Peter is "still in this fight!" - reading that totally had me giddy.
Wasn't that surprised by this development, Slott or Wacker alluded to a twist in the first issue a week or two ago and I figured it'd be something like this.
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I think what you have under b) is correct. Wacker or Slott (not sure who) said that Peter taking full controll of his body might seem like a logical continuation of the development at the end of SS#1, but that might not happen. That being said, I'd like to see what BB posted at the end of this arc, Peter being in charge of his body while still retaining Otto's memories. That way even if they sorta return to old status quo Peter is still changed from the experience, and is still "superior" in a way.
I liked the first issue, lots of fun. Liked the interaction between new Spidey and sinister six. This current status quo has a lot of potential for fun stories, rlly wanna see where they go with this.
What would make the most sense from a psychological perspective, under the circumstances...
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1. A peculiar manifestation of Multiple Personality Disorder, where either of the two personalities might surface and take control under the right stimulus even if one of those personalities happens to be the dominant one. Even in real cases of MPD I've read about, it's possible that the different personalities would be aware of each other and might be able to communicate with each other. Sounds like that's kind of what's happening already as of SSM #1.
2. A merge/fusion of the two personalities. Which coincidentally is a therapy for MPD, that seeks to integrate the separate personalities into one dominant personality.
Which leaves the distinct possibility that even if Peter "returns"...
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Otto might still manifest as a separate personality later down the road. It might even be revealed that Otto himself suffered from a form of MPD and Peter might have more than one other personality to worry about rattling around in that brain. For that matter, given everything Peter's been through I wouldn't be surprised if his personality fractured, too.
As surprised as I was to see how Amazing ended (although we knew they were pulling the trigger, so to speak) I think I know where this is going.... and I like it. I read this article on Newsarama this morning and thought I would share.
But do not read unless you are curious how Superior Spiderman might fix the status quo for everyone's favorite wall-crawler.http://www.newsarama.com/comics/op-ed-superior-spider-man-theory.html (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/op-ed-superior-spider-man-theory.html)
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I like his theory and it makes perfect sense for the story. I only hope Marvel doesn't decide that the fan community knowing the ending (maybe...) means they will need to draw it out so we might forget where they were going (Think clone saga or nose-less Wolvie [woops I meant adamantium-less... but same thing]. As a tool for rebooting (I know we hate that word but it could be a clean reboot) it will make a great story, but if it becomes drawn out for a couple of years and we lose the creative team who dreamed it up.... the story may become lost. Anyway, Doc Spider- Ock Man could be great for the book!
So... I read some X-men comics yesterday.
I know, that shouldn't be a huge surprise, as up until a few years ago, I was a fan of anything and everything X-men related. I still am really, but over the last few years... I haven't exactly been thrilled with the comics. Many of my favorite characters have either been killed (Nightcrawler) or stripped of everything I enjoyed about them to begin with (Cyclops, Colossus), and the increasing levels they were going to isolate themselves from humanity was more akin to what I had associated with the Brotherhood than with the X-men. I kinda sped through the second coming/hope arc, and that's about the last X-men book I bothered to read. And yeah, I'd heard good things about WatX, but between my growing disgust with Marvel Comics in general and the fact that the book almost instantly got dragged into an EVENT, I didn't ever bother with it.
But between the talk of Beast getting an updated look (which I personally love, btw) and my curiosity of how they justified time-travelling X-men, I picked up copies of All New X-men. This book... it really resonates with me. The reactions these X-men are having to the modern X-men world... that's how I've felt as a fan of the series. I've loved every panel of it, and I can't wait for more.
I think I read most or all of the AvX tie-ins now and Wolverine and the X-Men had some of if not the best tie-ins. Most books either largely dropped their regular plots (like Secret Avengers) or were fairly dull, but WatX was pretty good at still staying relevant.
I've been impressed by Bendis on the X-books. I often found his characters seemed off in Avengers, but I don't have that problem with his X-books so far.
Something just occurred to me as I'm sitting in my car waiting for the next class, and I was curious what you guys thought about it. Now that past Beast has been transported from the 1960s, what do you think will happen when...
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He discovers that his modern self came out as gay? It's one of those interesting bits from the Morrison run that I'm somewhat grateful other writers just glossed over (we get beaten over the head with some characters being gay in the hands of lesser writer) but it's one of those character bits I think kinda added to the type of person Beast is.
That said, to have a 1960s era high school student find out he came out as gay when he clearly isn't would be an interesting commentary on just how much society has changed over the course of 5-6 decades.
Quote from: Tomato on January 26, 2013, 05:18:09 PM
Something just occurred to me as I'm sitting in my car waiting for the next class, and I was curious what you guys thought about it. Now that past Beast has been transported from the 1960s, what do you think will happen when...
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He discovers that his modern self came out as gay? It's one of those interesting bits from the Morrison run that I'm somewhat grateful other writers just glossed over (we get beaten over the head with some characters being gay in the hands of lesser writer) but it's one of those character bits I think kinda added to the type of person Beast is.
That said, to have a 1960s era high school student find out he came out as gay when he clearly isn't would be an interesting commentary on just how much society has changed over the course of 5-6 decades.
If memory serves...
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Beast wasn't actually gay. He came out as some kind of ploy that I don't remember the details to.
Either way Beast has been in a heterosexual relationship with Abigail Brand of SWORD for several years now.
Yeah, Beast was interested in women after that Morrison reveal/joke. That's the main reason that tidbit is often ignored from that run. And yeah, he has been with Abigail for a couple of years now, falling for her during Whedon's Astonishing run. I didn't know it was still going on, but they were established as in a relationship a while ago, just before he left Utopia to join SWORD.
I actually knew that, what I meant was how would beast, knowing he's straight, react to older Beast's decision to come out as gay despite knowing he really isn't. The comment about being bashed over the head with gay characters was more a general commentary on the "is ___ gay or not" game comic publishers keep playing.
Sorry if that was garbled, I was posting via my phone.
So lemme tell y'all about a comic I read today called Superior Spider-Man #2. Spoilers ahoy.
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So nearly the entire issue is about SpOCK trying to score with Mary Jane while ghost Peter is along for the ride without being able to do anything about it except act indignant the whole way through. After several dates where Ock is not getting what he wants, he logs into Pete's memories of him and MJ (and we're treated to some steamy MJ/Pete images with Ock in Pete's place; tastefully done, as course ;) ) and Ock goes home and...uh... does something else that would never make it into a Spidey cartoon. The next day he goes to work and hits on one of Pete's coworkers, which annoys Pete. There's a tease for an upcoming Vulture appearance, Ock swings past a mugging, which Peter did not approve of for obvious reasons, and Ock saves MJ from falling to her death. He ends up telling her they should stop going out because him being Spider-Man gets in the way too much (you know, that old chestnut) and he needs to get over her. She takes it very well and Pete is impressed by Ock for breaking it off.
Oh boy, where to begin with this issue? Well, it was entertaining and fun on a very simple level. It wasn't boring, it was paced very well, there's a good amount of subplot, scenes that don't linger too long, a nice continuity nod to Gwen Stacy's death, and some pretty good art (though there was parts of it I found a bit rough or grungy). However, the bigger issue is that this issue is nearly 22 straight pages of squick, much of it played for laughs. Ock going on date after date with MJ and not getting any hot coffee is done kinda like a Road Runner gag, and Pete comes off as very lame, powerless and impotent (pun not intended). Which is a 180 from the reveal last issue IMO where Pete came off super cool. Whereas there he stopped Ock from killing a lame super villain, here he seems unable to influence what Ock does in any way. I'm left thinking, this story could have been a perfect Robot Chicken skit (you wouldn't even have to change much to make it one), but as an actual story in a Spider-Man comic, it seems in bad taste. If they had to address it, it probably would have been better if they just touched on it briefly and moved on. And ultimately the story makes Ock feel like a creep, not a hero.
i get ya, man
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at least Carlie might've clued in....maybe this series will be shorter than we thought?
Actually, supposedly Slott said in an interview that the book might have a shorter run due to the negative backlash. I haven't read the interview myself, supposedly it was on Newsarama, so if I have time I might check that later to see if that's true. [EDITED to add: Turns out it was an interview with editor Steve Wacker and the people interviewing him asked if the book's run might be shorter due to the reception. So yeah, Marvel didn't say that. ]
Since I didn't mention the previous issues, I should just add my thoughts quick. I really enjoyed 700 and the entirely of Dying Wish arc. It was exciting, well paced, had great art, and I was always looking forward to seeing what happened next. And even though the ending is a bit sad, the fact that big comic storylines are telegraphed so far in advance these days and my enjoyment of the actual issues alleviated that concern for me considerably.
Superior #1 I really enjoyed, because it was Spidey vs a group of supervillains and that was fun. I really enjoyed the new Sinister Six, including the Living Brain, who I find lame, but nostalgic enough to enjoy seeing in the book again. Future issues are going to have a lot of other returning villains (including Cardiac!) so I'm looking forward to those.
Well, it got a negative backlash because of the way that story played out, but usually, Marvel sticks to their guns for a bit before showing any signs of undoing anything. Look at the bad taste OMD left in people's mouths for YEARS, and they were very slow about undoing anything in regards to that. Of course, that was Joe Q's baby, so there was more pride involved. But here's my thinking, if Marvel pushed through with that story knowing months in advance it would leave a bad taste and they did nothing to mitigate it, then they might as well play it out a bit more and get all the exploring they can done with the concept and try to turn minds like they did with BND. I won't be picking up the book, and it'll still be a turn off for many, but I also recognize that you can't be fickle in your changes and you can't instantly bow down to the fans and give them too much power. It needs to be balanced.
Also, i feel that I'd say something completely different if I still had any real Marvel love, specifically for Spider-man, but I don't, so this is what you get. I'm really removed from the comic scene, so I'm not as opinionated anymore, lol.
That said, it really bothers me that MJ can't catch onto any changes in Peter. That's unlike the character she grew into and unrealistic based on how she was just before the Mephisto thing. Keeping that in mind, I guess I keep forgetting that we're dealing with a slightly different, altered MJ, but I'd assume she'd still be able to pick up on subtle things about Peter much better than Carlie Cooper.
It was the best selling comic in January, so unless the sales drop, there is no way they will shorten its run.
There was a huge backlash on the internet and even death threats to Slott, but internet folks tend to be vocal minority that doesn't reflect sales, and that's the most important factor for comic book companies.
*sigh*
so a week after setting up this earth shaking reveal in All new xmen as to who else from the Jean Grey school was going to be joining the Uncanny team, uncanny xmen 4 just totally ruined the surprise.
Quote from: Tomato on April 11, 2013, 09:21:52 PM
*sigh*
so a week after setting up this earth shaking reveal in All new xmen as to who else from the Jean Grey school was going to be joining the Uncanny team, uncanny xmen 4 just totally ruined the surprise.
I actually thought that made sense and was expecting it, as the two books were essentially crossing over. Additionally, All-New had already revealed the first set of students that were joining Uncanny.
The original X-Men that joined totally surprised me. I was expecting it to be...
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Jean Grey.
EDIT:
Was just looking at the July solicitation for Uncanny Avengers and a new set of Horsemen are revealed...
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Daken, Sentry, Banshee, and Grim Reaper. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/201307/UNCAVEN2012010COV_col.jpg)
Daken's inclusion is hilarious. He was apparently killed at the end of his solo series, then returned (with no explanation as far as I know) in Uncanny X-Force before being killed by his father. And now he's back. I think all that happened within 2 years, maybe less. Should be a good reaction with Wolverine.
I really wish they'd keep Banshee dead though. I just don't see much remaining story potential save for a reunion with his daughter.
Also, I wanted to say that Rick Remender is a great writer, possibly my favorite currently. Uncanny X-Force, Venom, Secret Avengers, and Uncanny Avengers have all been excellent reads and I love how he makes them all connect to each other.
It doesn't bother me that the surprise was ruined, it bothers me how it was revealed... Like, the way I read it, Cyclops was just like "oh, and _____ is here now too. He's totally great and stuff, or something." No explanations on why he's there, no development for the character in question (it had been set up in ANX, but there was no payoff to that in Uncanny) not even a continuation of the scene from ANX... just a splash page with the Cuckoos and the "surprise" character and that's it. More time was spent on Goldballs and the Danger Room in that issue.
Don't get me wrong, I like the series overall, but this issue just fell flat for me. It really ruined a good setup, which is a shame.
But yeah, I'm loving Uncanny Avengers about as much as ANX and Uncanny X-men.
There's a character called Goldballs?!?!?!?!?
There's a character a few other team members jokingly refer to as goldballs, yes. He's one of the students cyclops rescued in the first couple issues. His mutant ability hasn't been explained well yet, but basically whenever he gets attacked his body shoots out a bunch of gold colored orbs that either hover around him or fly all over the place at random.
To be fair, it's still better then the dude whose power seems to be just to randomly shapechange his face into whoever he's nearest to.
Edit: Seriously? The board censorship got me on the plural of "ball"? I mean yeah, I know it can mean the other thing, but really?
Quote from: Tomato on April 12, 2013, 02:49:21 AM
It doesn't bother me that the surprise was ruined, it bothers me how it was revealed... Like, the way I read it, Cyclops was just like "oh, and _____ is here now too. He's totally great and stuff, or something." No explanations on why he's there, no development for the character in question
That's fair.
I expect the explanations and development will come in subsequent issues of at least ANX, and maybe UXM. The thing that really surprised me about ______ joining was the almost nothing was done with that character in the issue of ANX. They tricked me.
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Admittedly, they got me too (I also thought it might be Jean right at first) but had I had more than a week to think about it I likely would have gotten it. I'd already discounted Jean by the time Uncanny came out, mostly because she's mostly the lead character in ANX and the only reason she'd legitimately join Uncanny would be to spy on them.
Looking at the others:
Cyclops- aside from the fact that putting two versions of the same character in a book would be silly, having Kid Cyclops join his older self would destroy his merit as a character, and toss aside his inner turmoil about the person he's going to become.
Iceman-No. Kid Iceman seems to love the JG school, and I doubt Cyclops' message would appeal to him.
Beast-Might have been workable, but not well. It's more likely that he'd do it just to spy out their location, and that destroys the dynamic Uncanny's built over the last 4 issues with their headquarters and such.
Angel- He's shown clear separation from the team right from the start, he's probably resentful of Jean's mind tampering, etc.
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Well we knew it couldn't be kid Cyclops as he'd been shown in the scene where the off screen Original joined Uncanny.
I figured it was Jean mostly because a) big focus and b) biggest impact. But I thought she'd just join to spy, I'm not even discounting Warren joining as a spy.
The real trick to me was that Warren does nothing in either of the last issues of All-New or Uncanny, so I really wasn't thinking about him, even though as you pointed out he does make the most sense.
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I feel like Angel might be a spy eventually, but not from the start like Jean would have been. The big thing with Uncanny, especially in this last issue has been establishing their headquarters... which gets ruined the moment a spy reveals their location and they have to move. Long term yeah, I can't see Angel falling in line with them, but for right now I don't think he's going to jump into betraying them.
Superior Spider-Man #9. The issue Marvel says will make you more angry than Spidey 700
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Doc Ock uses some kind of high-tech device to attempt to erase "Ghost Peter" from his brain. The process, not surprisingly, involves a battle between Ock and Spidey inside a world in their mind. There's cameos by Peter's human, civilian supporting cast, as well, as his rogue's gallery (largely stemming from the Ditko era). One by one, Doc Ock erases characters and events from Peter's memory, as Pete struggles to remember those events and people's names. The villains are shown killing some of the supporting cast (the burgler shoots Uncle Ben, Ock kills Captain Stacy, and the Green Goblin shoots Gwen Stacy in the back with his finger beams). As the fight nears its end, both Pete and Otto rip off their faces to reveal their Spider-Man costumes, with Ock once again declaring himself "The Superior Spider-Man". Pete calls him out on this, pointing out that he's made the Avengers untrusting of him, brutally beaten villains to the point that people are scared of him, and murdered one of them (Massacre). Dock Ock points out that the police support Spider-Man now more than ever, and that Massacre killed 30 people, including someone Peter knew (Dr. Ashley Kafka). Doc then brings up a young ill girl whom he was trying to treat before Ghost Peter interfered (the events of last issue). Pete pointed out that he didn't want Ock using the device that allowed Ock to find and be aware of Ghost Peter's presence inside his body, much less find a way to get rid of him. Ock then accuses Pete of placing his own well-being over that of the little girl (during this sequence Pete is portrayed as looking weak, guilt-stricken, and unconvincing as he tries to explain himself, indicating that Pete takes this to be true.) Ock then declares that Peter lacks the much-vaunted responsibility expected of Spider-Man, doesn't deserve to be Spider-Man, and "commences mindwipe", which is visualized as Peter being crushed under rubble. Right before this happens, Peter is shown struggling to remember his own name, calling himself "Peter Palmer" (probably a throwback to the Brand New Day character Dexter Bennett, who couldn't remember Peter's name)[EDIT: I was wrong, It's actually a reference to a typo from an old Silver Age issue that became an in joke] Cut to the real world, where Ock declares himself victorious.
I'll start with the art, since that won't take long. I like Ryan Stegman, but he's not always at his best, and here while I liked his depiction of all the other characters, I hated his Doc Ock. I've never particularly liked Ock's classic "green jumpsuit" look, unless a really good (usually "classic") artist does it, and Ock wears this look in the world in his mind (which is fair; it's his iconic look, and that's what they were going for). Here he just looks ugly, thugly, and almost ape-like, though I'll grant the parts where he's meant to look freaky are pulled off well.
As for the story, it's a exciting little trip down memory lane, but that's not really the part anyone wants to talk about, is it? No, the real meat of the issue here is the complete destruction of Peter Parker (or so it would seem). Many people could guess this was going to happen, but the real one-two punch is the destruction of his memories, and the implication that Peter is a "selfish hypocrite" (as I've already seen people call him online in regards to this issue). The "memory loss" part seems especially mean-spirited, probably more-so than any other Spidey story I've read since One More Day. As for the little girl, I went back and checked the previous issue and in it Pete does indeed want to stop Ock from getting his helmet device, at first, but after he finds out about the girl's condition, he's shown as supportive towards Ock treating her. So I don't really buy that "You would have let that little girl die" bit. As for the implication that Pete is a "selfish hypocrite", that's kinda always been a staple of Spider-Man. Pete's often let his emotions cloud his judgement, but he tries to make up for it; that's what's always made him a hero. He's constantly blaming himself for everything, but that's just his nature.
As for whether Pete's gone for good? Psaw, yeah, right. We all know he'll be back. He could very well be back by the very next issue.
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Superior Spider-Man #9. The issue Marvel says will make you more angry than Spidey 700
It might... if I cared that much anymore.
The only modern version of Spider-Man that still resonates with me at all is the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon (the one where he works for S.H.I.E.L.D.) on Netflix.
Let's face it, Marvel has been destroying Peter Parker for years. This is just a continuation of that process.
If and when they put Peter Parker back in Peter Parker's body, then maybe they'll get my attention again.
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This book is sooooo much fun. I love Ock's approach to fighting crime, minions and all. And Kingpin being scared was kinda cool too. The only time that i find changing the person under the costume justified is when it makes the book a totally different experience, which SS totally does! We all know Peter will be back at some point, I recommend enjoying the ride in the meantime.
I can't... I don't... WHAT!?!
So, I just "caught up" on the "Battle for the Atom" crossover that's been going on for the last few weeks... and I am at the point where I want time travel to dig itself a pit to the center of the earth, bury itself, and then have someone build a tower on top of it that stretches all the way up to the moon so that it can never escape. :banghead:
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So, before I start this, I want it noted that the last issue I've read of this story is part 6, All New X-men #17. The crossover still has 4 more parts to go. It's important that you know this, because we have already flown off the crazy train and we still have four more issues for it to get WORSE.
As most of you are aware, the current "flagship" X-book is "All-new X-men," which features the original X-men coming into the present and stirring up craziness, and it's actually one of the better books, yes?
Wll, the event starts with X-men from the future (Future versions of Jean, Kitty, Beast, Deadpool, and Xavier's grandson) coming back to make the past X-men go back to their proper time, and the first bit of the book has all this craziness because the future X-men won't tell the current X-men or Past X-men why the past X-men have to go back, but they're super aggressive about them having to go back (to the point where even present X-men who feel like the x-men should go back are like "guys, calm down")
After a ton of big action scenes where past Jean and Cyclops are like "We're not going back!" and attack everyone, past Jean pulls a Miss Martian and looks into her future self's mind, finally agreeing to go back... That is, until Magik takes some of the other Past X-men into the future, and they discover that the future X-men AREN'T the future X-men, but just crazy future versions of some of the X-men that are messing with the timestream even more because Dazzler was killed.
Yeah this crossover isn't the best, though I find it's biggest problem is just lacking something really compelling. I will say that the twist from the latest issues piqued my interest.
While this storyline has been a little mediocre I have been really enjoyed the X-Books for a while. Bendis transitioned to them really smoothly and his books are among my favorite each month. I am curious what will happen to All-New after the crossover. I really doubt that the original X-Men will be going anywhere, at least not all of them, but there's going to be some kind of change. X-23 is going to appear in the coming months so that's got me excited. It also implies that she survives Avengers Arena (which is a surprisingly good read).
The first arc of Brian Wood's X-Men was pretty good, though it wrapped up pretty quick.
Well that's what's so annoying about this crossover for me... it's this bizarre anomaly in what has otherwise been a fantastic run on the X-men books post-AvX.
I find this crossover feels like "Well it's time for an X-Men crossover! What do we got?" / "Isn't it some anniversary of Days of Future Past? We gotta do something big for that!"
Crossovers should be epic, and this one doesn't feel that way yet.
IMO, Time travel stories stop working when the chain of cause, effect, and paradox is too convoluted.
Or in other words, when the reader's "aha!" moments are drowning in their "huh?" moments.
The reader needs to be able to cleanly connect the events in their own minds like a puzzle. When the writer throws in too many weird paradoxes without carefully building that chain of events, it pulls the reader out of that and they will no longer consider the plot to be cleverly constructed.
And that's the fun of a time-travel story. A good one depends on irony, I think. If the writer destroys that sense of irony with a confused plot, they've lost the reader.
Sounds like that's what happened to you, 'Mato. Even granted that you understand why things happened, it's like somebody took pieces from three different puzzles and forced them to fit together... the pieces are all there, but the picture is a mess.
I might be in the minority, I actually really like what's happening with Battle of the Atom.
Although I do love having the O5 around now, and I don't think they should be here indefinitely, I do think it's a bit too early to send them home.
And it's good to see Dazzler being slowly worked back into the spotlight. It's hard to imagine that at one time she was one of the key X-Men.
Yeah, the story is a little meandering, but I guess I've always loved the soap opera element of the x-men more than them saving the world.
The problem with Battle for the Atom is that it WILL make sense, but it currently DOESN'T. To use the puzzle analogy, we don't have quite all the pieces yet, so when we're trying to put the puzzle together there are these giant holes we can't fill, which is making it harder to put the puzzle together.
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For example, as much as I whined about the whole "the future X-men aren't the future X-men" plot twist, it actually answered more questions than it raised. The first batch of X-men didn't sit quite right with me... they didn't strike me as "evil" future X-men, but they were always a bit too shady about their motives to be completely legit. So I feel like once we get the rest of the picture it'll be fine, but right now I'm just pulling my hair out trying to keep up with the three different timelines that are interacting with each other.
The Venom ongoing series ended this week.
This caught me off guard, I thought there was another issue. I had mixed feelings about this series from the very beginning. First off I loved the idea of Flash Thompson as the new Venom, and I loved his costume. I didn't pick up the book when it first launched but once I did I loved Rick Remender's writing (he's one of my favorites now). I didn't pick up the book initially because it was pitched as an international espionage type book in interviews, but that didn't sound appealing for Flash and Venom. When I finally read the book it wasn't really like that, more of a dark superhero story. This dark element was one of the things I wasn't completely happy with either, too much time was spent on Flash's demons, his alcoholism, parental abuse, and controlling the symbiote. I have no problem with dark elements but I wanted to see more Flash as Spider-Man, that idea of becoming your idol and learning what it takes to be him. Regardless the book under Rememder was great. When he left the writing fell to Cullen Bunn and the art took a bit of dip, it felt like the book had gone from a B straight to a C. Bunn's initial stories focusing on Venom dealing with demons did very little for me, but his next stories bringing in Toxin, Lord Ogre and Mania were pretty decent.
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The final issue didn't really feel like a final issue at all. It felt like the end of an arc and then Bunn received a call that it was the last issue. Nothing really comes to a final conclusion. On the plus side that means Venom's newest spawn and Flash's sidekick Mania is still around and I really hope Marvel finds someplace for her to be used. I really hope she appears in the upcoming Venom storyline of Superior Spider-Man.
An upcoming arc of Superior Spider-Man will guest star Flash and promises to set up the next status quo of the symbiote and Flash. Personally I hope he keeps the symboite and gets a new book or a recurring spot in Superior. The Venom Flash is an awesome idea and I'm not ready for it to end.
(Also now I really want to finally finish my Venom skope/skin)
On another note two books I'd like to mention are Matt Fraction's Hawkeye and Nick Spencer's Superior Foes of Spider-Man. Both are really fun, non-traditional superhero books, with Hawkeye following Clint in very down to earth street level stories, and Foes focusing on Boomerang and the most recent Sinister Six as small time super crooks. They've been very pleasant surprises.
Quote from: Podmark on October 27, 2013, 02:29:05 AM
On another note two books I'd like to mention are Matt Fraction's Hawkeye and Nick Spencer's Superior Foes of Spider-Man. Both are really fun, non-traditional superhero books, with Hawkeye following Clint in very down to earth street level stories, and Foes focusing on Boomerang and the most recent Sinister Six as small time super crooks. They've been very pleasant surprises.
I fully agree – probably my favourite Marvel books with Daredevil and FF.
So the X-Men crossover Battle of the Atom finished today. As I said before it's alright but hardly my favorite X-Over. I think the main issue is that it's pretty much a bubble story that almost could take place any time after the initial issues of All New and Uncanny X-Men. Unlike Messiah Complex or Second Coming it doesn't really feel like things were building to this story. So in that regard I wasn't invested much as an ongoing reader looking at the payoff/development of the ongoing series'.
Now the aftermath of the book did lead to some interesting things!
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We're left with new ongoing villains in Xavier II, Ice Thing, and Raze.
SHIELD is revealed to be building Sentinels, to be followed up in Wolverine and the X-Men.
Future X-Men Kymera, the daughter of Storm, will be sticking around in Brian Wood's X-Men.
And the big one, Kitty and the All New X-Men leaving the Jean Grey School and joining Team Cyclops.
The net result is that Brian Bendis controls the Cyclops side of the X-Men universe, while Jason Arron (with Amazing X-Men launching this week) controls the Wolverine side. The Schism carries on.
Really looking forward to the upcoming X-Men books.
Well put Pod. That's exactly how I felt about the X-over too.
It's really something that the x-universe is so diverse these days.
You've got the two branches of Aaron and Bendis, but then there are the "mature" or "darker" books like Astonishing, Cable and the X-Force, and Uncanny X-Force.
I don't really follow those, and I have no idea what Amazing will be. Is it written by Aaron too?
If they have it as a fifth week book, similar to the Battle if the atom bookends, I might pick it up.
I really enjoyed getting just one x-book a week for the past few months.
Quote from: Podmark on November 03, 2013, 02:10:34 AM
So the X-Men crossover Battle of the Atom finished today. As I said before it's alright but hardly my favorite X-Over. I think the main issue is that it's pretty much a bubble story that almost could take place any time after the initial issues of All New and Uncanny X-Men. Unlike Messiah Complex or Second Coming it doesn't really feel like things were building to this story. So in that regard I wasn't invested much as an ongoing reader looking at the payoff/development of the ongoing series'.
Now the aftermath of the book did lead to some interesting things!
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We're left with new ongoing villains in Xavier II, Ice Thing, and Raze.
SHIELD is revealed to be building Sentinels, to be followed up in Wolverine and the X-Men.
Future X-Men Kymera, the daughter of Storm, will be sticking around in Brian Wood's X-Men.
And the big one, Kitty and the All New X-Men leaving the Jean Grey School and joining Team Cyclops.
The net result is that Brian Bendis controls the Cyclops side of the X-Men universe, while Jason Arron (with Amazing X-Men launching this week) controls the Wolverine side. The Schism carries on.
Really looking forward to the upcoming X-Men books.
Having not read it, what made Kitty switch sides? Spoil me mercilessly please.
Quote from: Talavar on November 03, 2013, 04:04:39 PM
Having not read it, what made Kitty switch sides? Spoil me mercilessly please.
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The rest of the X-Men didn't trust her when she started to have doubts about the first set of future X-Men, who turned out to be the Brotherhood. So she went with the time displaced X-Men to Scott's side.
To be honest it seemed like a big overreaction.
And things change again........http://omg.yahoo.com/news/marvel-comics-ms-marvel-returns-muslim-teen-211344608.html
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And things change again........http://omg.yahoo.com/news/marvel-comics-ms-marvel-returns-muslim-teen-211344608.html
Exactly...are they going to have two Ms. Marvels now or something gonna happen to Carol again?
From what I read in the comments section beow the story, Carol will be/ is taking up the official name of Captain Marvel.
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Quote from: Randomdays on November 06, 2013, 09:05:59 AM
And things change again........http://omg.yahoo.com/news/marvel-comics-ms-marvel-returns-muslim-teen-211344608.html
Exactly...are they going to have two Ms. Marvels now or something gonna happen to Carol again?
I don't think so. Carol is Captain Marvel now and has a new book relaunching later this year. It think this new Ms Marvel will be sort of a side kick to Carol. Marvel has mentioned this new girl being a fan of Carol.
New teen heroes always catch my interest, and she looks kinda cool. I doubt I'll jump into her book though.
Carol has been Captain Marvel for quite some time now, and I think that's where she'll stay.
Yeah the blog DCwomenkickingass had a pretty nice write up about her. She's a Muslim American, and will deal with having a conservative family. Her new costume looks alright too! Kind of like a more reserved original ms marvel costume. I'm not sure about her powers. Kind of like Phat or Plastic Man I think.
I was reading Amazing X-Men #1 today and I just wanted to say that I love how Jason Aaron writes Beast. He's just wacky and insane and he cracks me up.
This book begins the return of Nightcrawler and the Kurt sections were kinda meh, but the scenes at the Jean Grey school were great. It's the same kind of hilariousness from the beginning of Wolverine and the X-Men.
Yeah, I really loved that issue too, the bits with Firestar and Iceman were great. I think she'll make a nice addition to the cast.
I was also wondering if something happened to Astonishing, since Northstar and Warbird are in Amazing X-men now, does that mean Astonishing is done?
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I was also wondering if something happened to Astonishing, since Northstar and Warbird are in Amazing X-men now, does that mean Astonishing is done?
Yeah Astonishing ended in October. Amazing is essentially it's replacement in the schedule.
Marvel's February solicitations came out today and now I am sad :( .
Wolverine and the X-Men is ending. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=49140)
Twas such a fun series. It slipped a bit after AvX but I will miss it.
Granted Amazing X-Men will carry on Jason Arron take on the X-Men but sadly it seems the students may be slipping to the background once again. Such a shame, he did wonders with Quintin Quire.
Arron did confirm that the Jean Grey School will continue on, which is good.
Young Avengers is also ending (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=49147). I won't miss it as much as WatX but I still enjoyed it as well.
In both cases it seems the creative team was ready to move on and Marvel chose to end the book.
Ok, I'm getting back into comics again and I figure I start reading Superior Spider-man. I'm really liking the series and was wondering if anybody else is enjoying the series or you waiting for Peter Parker to come back?
I'm definitely enjoying it. It's an interesting series because I find I don't necessarily root for the star character. Ock basically uses the means of a villain to accomplish the work of a hero, and essentially alienates everyone close to Peter Parker in the process. When Peter does eventually come back I'm looking forward to seeing him deal with the fallout of all Ock has wrought in his life (assuming they don't clean the slate first).
I'm pretty excited about upcoming Goblin storyline, and particularly curious if the Goblin King is in fact Norman or someone else.
Rumour is that the Superior era is in it's last chunk. So Peter could be back by the end of the year.
Also interesting Marvel news, this years Free Comic Book Day issue will feature the Guardians of the Galaxy with Venom (Flash based on the costume) and Captain Marvel joining the team. Carol isn't a big surprise since her upcoming series is space based and she's a decent fit, but Flash is interesting especially since it would seem to reveal how the upcoming Venom story in Superior will end.
Some quick thoughts about this weeks books:
Young Avengers was great! Kinda sad to see it go, but I like that the whole series was just an epic storyline. Kind of like Nextwave. I like that. Also the Scott Pilgrim references were great.
Uncanny X-men was focused on one of the new mutants, who has been named Morph! I wonder if it will stick. Also some great Scott Pilgrim references.
And Finally X-Men #7 shows the team building again, and a new(ish) villain. Monet is back and her relationship with Jubilee is just as I remembered it, plus I've been re-reading Generation X.
Now there's another trend I noticed in these comics, it might be a touchy subject so I'll put it in spoilers.
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Three different characters came out in these three issues. Each way was handled maturely and without making a big deal of it at all.
America Chavez was really nuanced about it "I'm not on your team" and I'm not sure if I read it properly...
Morph just flat out said it. And Emma Frost was pretty blasé about it "that doesn't matter, it's not the task at hand"
And Bling came out to Jubilee (I haven't read much about bling before, so maybe it's common knowledge) and Jubilee was quick to defend her.
Now in all of these cases, it's really a non-issue, and in X-Men specifically, the idea of social justice is tied hand-in-hand with the concept of the book. It's the fact that these books are written so matter-of-factly when it comes to sexuality that makes me happy I've stopped supporting DC.
I don't know. I don't want to get up on a soapbox here, but I guess I already have. Sorry if this rustles anyone's jimmies.
Just finished Uncanny X-Men and I loved the issue and I love Morph. Bendis is really doing something special with the X-Men.
BTW
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I'm pretty sure Bling had been a lesbian since Mulligan's run. She had a crush on Fox (Mystique in disguise).
Yeah some good books this week. I was happy to see Karima joining Storm's X-Men team, but I'm disappointed that she's no longer an Omega Sentinel though. I liked the idea of Sentinel on the X-Men.
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I think Bling! is actually bi. That was part of her intro story years ago. I'm not sure if all the characters know though.
Yeah, the Uncanny X-Men issue spotlighting Benjamin Deeds/Morph was pure brilliance.
I particularly like the way he's been hanging around in the background unnoticed for 12 issues or so now ( for example the chip-eating panels in last weeks All-New X-Men while Hank, Scott and Jean argue around him). It all makes sense :)
And Chris Bacchalo's current artwork has really grown on me. I used to compare it unfavourably to his old stuff on Shade, but not any more.
I'm not so keen on Wood's X-Men series though. After the initial excitement it seems to have lost its momentum a bit. Still, I like the Dodsons on art, and I'm intrigued by Monet, so it stays on my list for now.
And yeah, I agree, its nice to see some gay characters introduced without any big fanfare.
Has anybody been reading CATACLYSM: THE ULTIMATES' LAST STAND? I'm guessing that MArvel is going to merge the Ultimate & Marvel (616) universe together or at least bring some heroes over like MILES MORALES
I know they are doing a Spider-Men 2 so I assume Mile is making it out but as for everyone else...yeah...Ultimate-U has been a mess (with the exception of UCSM) for a while now.
anyone reading uncanny avengers, surprised others arnt talking about it
I know pod and I are... Well, I'm reading it as often as I do anything anymore, but it's a solid series. It's a bit on the weird side, but it's got some good character writing and I adore the fact that some of the more obscure characters are getting some love.
Yea as Tomato says I also read Uncanny Avengers. One of my favorite (although I have a number of favorites these days. Pretty happy with Marvel's output lately). The one thing I'll say about Uncanny Avengers is you get a lot more out of it if you've read writer Rick Remender's other books in particular Uncanny X-Force - it's basically a straight sequel series. Actually the Apocalypse Twins storyline was planned as part of X-Force. Actually I might even say Remender is my favorite writer of the past couple years.
About the last issue:
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The reason I haven't really talked about it is I don't see it sticking. With Kang and the Twins, and the upcoming Planet X storyline there's so much time travel going on I don't see any of it sticking.
On other Marvel news the new solicitations came out today and I guess I was grieving for Wolverine and the X-Men too soon. It's being relaunched with a new writer. I'll check it out but I can't see it match Aaron's quality.
Also there's a new Magneto ongoing starting up. The one thing I keep thinking is "about time." It surprises me that this is the first chance he's had at his own series, he's one character I could see really taking off in a solo book. But it's written by Cullen Bunn so maybe not. The most notable thing about it is that supposedly Magneto will be breaking from the X-Men. I'm dubious on that, I don't see Bendis letting go of Magneto. It's probably just for the solo series, while he still appears in Uncanny.
Marvel has a LOT of time travel going on.
Just read the preview for Silver Surfer, with art by Mike and Laura Allred, and I am already loving it.
Silver Surfer and Allred are such a perfect fit, it's crazy how it hasn't happened before.
The artwork in Black Widow #1, by Phil Noto, is beautiful.
Not sure how I feel about All-New X-Factor yet. The costumes are kind of hideous to me.
Superior Foes of Spider-Man definitely has a Hawkeye vibe going on, which I love. Those books are aces in my.. book.
Yes, Superior Foes of Spider-man is an awesome book.
Quote from: Talavar on January 10, 2014, 04:01:58 AM
Yes, Superior Foes of Spider-man is an awesome book.
Agreed :thumbup:
Also in other news it appears Marvel is bringing back Amazing Spider-Man in April. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50156) Slott will still be writing with Ramos again on art.
Also Doop is getting an ongoing (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50172) :blink:
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Quote from: Talavar on January 10, 2014, 04:01:58 AM
Yes, Superior Foes of Spider-man is an awesome book.
Agreed :thumbup:
Also in other news it appears Marvel is bringing back Amazing Spider-Man in April. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50156) Slott will still be writing with Ramos again on art.
Also Doop is getting an ongoing (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=50172) :blink:
Looking forward to David Lafuente's art.
More noteworthy Marvel news today (http://www.newsarama.com/20005-all-new-now-invades-the-ultimate-universe-as-april-brings-new-titles-big-changes.html). It appears that the Ultimate Universe will survive the Cataclysmic with three new titles: Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-Man (Still by Bendis and Marquez), Ultimate FF (starring Sue, Iron Man, Machine Man and Falcon), and All-New Ultimates (starring Miles and his teen hero friends).
It was widely expected that the Ultimate Universe was finally going to end but I guess Marvel decided to try and reinvigorate it again, this time firmly centered around Miles. Probably a good choice. I still haven't read the new Ultimate Spider-Man stuff, I know there's a lot of fans of Miles, I'll have to pick up a trade one day.
Quote from: Podmark on January 11, 2014, 01:06:18 AM
I still haven't read the new Ultimate Spider-Man stuff, I know there's a lot of fans of Miles, I'll have to pick up a trade one day.
Def do that, I love the book and Miles is an awesome character!
As for Peter coming back ofc it was expected, but SSM was such a rollercoaster ride with cliffhangers, status quo changes, overarching plot, sure gonna miss it. Glad to see Pete back, but Ock was so much fun.
Miles Morales is everything good about comics.
Quote from: murs47 on January 15, 2014, 06:03:26 PM
Miles Morales is everything good about comics.
This.
* weeps in the corner over Fearless Defenders cancellation *
Marvel just announced a Spider-Man story coming in November called Spider-Verse where Spidey (Peter back in the driver's seat) teams up with all his alternate and historical spider brethren.
http://www.newsarama.com/20655-dan-slott-teams-1000-s-of-spider-men-vs-morlun-in-spider-verse.html
Sounds like fun. I'm especially looking forward to seeing Spider-Girl again, but I'm not expecting a big role (unless she gets a tie in mini (by Defalco)).
Sounds like fun! I really like Slott's work on Spidey as you can really see the love for the character.
And wow they're bringing Morlun back? Haven't seen him in a while, I wasn't a fan of "The Other" story though. We'll see how this goes.
Well some Spider-Man spoilers of note:
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Peter is officially back.
With the Goblin King and his armies rampaging through the city, the Superior Spider-Man pretty much failing at every turn, with Ock's girlfriend in mortal danger he decides to turn to the only hope, the true Spider-Man. Ock essentially commits suicide by erasing himself from Peter's mind so that Peter will have no distractions against the Goblin King.
This played out similar to how I was expecting the series to end from the beginning. Ock admits that Peter is the better hero and lets him come back. I enjoyed Superior, it was interesting seeing how Ock attempted to be a hero through essentially villainous means. Still, it had it's run and it's good to see Peter back, should be interesting to see how he deals with the mess Ock made of his life. And I can't wait to see who the Goblin King really is.
Anyway the point is Peter Parker is back. Just in time for the new movie.
While I do love Superior Spider-man, I do believe that the ending was rushed:
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If Doc Ock could just bring Peter just like that, then that means he knew that he didn't complete wiped Peter from his mind. Also Doc Ock mind must be backed up somewhere like what Tony did with his, so I expect to see Doc Ock again sometime in the future.
I'm pretty sure I read a Slott interview where he said it was ending a lot sooner than was planned:
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That being said I never understood some of the vitriol for this book from certain segments of fandom. It's as if they actually believed they weren't going to bring Pete back. Frankly I think Marvel learned their lesson with the clone saga, as they were willing to literally dust Ben Reilly just to make sure we knew who the real one was. And honestly I'm feeling as uncomfortable with this as I would if Ben had lived, like who's to say that really is Pete and not a construct of Ock's mind, created by his own guilt and insecurities.After all he had access to all Pete's memories, he was even able to delete them.Definitely gonna need Doc Strange to give the okay on this one ;)
Honestly, a part of that goes all the way back to "One More Day"... A good chunk of Spiderman fans, like myself have refused to read a single Spiderman book since that book occurred. It is such a betrayal of everything the character stands for, specifically concerning the book's own mantra about responsibility, that it has tainted everything that has come after it. For fans like me, and even for those who are sticking with the books in spite of their negative feelings towards OMD, for marvel to turn around just a few years later and "kill" the character to replace him with Doc Ock... Yeah, there's going to be more resentment than there would have been had it been just another Spiderman story.
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Honestly, a part of that goes all the way back to "One More Day"... A good chunk of Spiderman fans, like myself have refused to read a single Spiderman book since that book occurred. It is such a betrayal of everything the character stands for, specifically concerning the book's own mantra about responsibility, that it has tainted everything that has come after it. For fans like me, and even for those who are sticking with the books in spite of their negative feelings towards OMD, for marvel to turn around just a few years later and "kill" the character to replace him with Doc Ock... Yeah, there's going to be more resentment than there would have been had it been just another Spiderman story.
I see your point, I guess since I missed the whole "OMD" (Orchestral Manuevers?) storyline, I wasn't seeing that aspect of it, but I totally agree with you, because I completely hated the clone saga (though I loved Ben).
I've just been enjoying Slott's run so much (it's really brought me back the book after a long time off), that I can't see people having such problem with it. It's probably some editors fault :rolleyes:
Not really about the comics exactly, but the thought has been rattling around in my head lately that I really would like to see their animation division start kicking up some prolific work soon. With Wacker now joining at least Buckly, Loeb and Timm of all people it's hard to understand why that end of their affairs is still trailing a bit, or at the least isn't up to snub with the level of animation work they were doing in the 90's. Anyone else feeling that?
Love Slott's SPM stuff BTW. I agree the end did feel rushed as well, then again much of what's happened in Spider-man's universe over the years hasn't been very organic. Hey at least Dan candidly did the fans a solid and blipped out the results of OMD/OMIT, I remember it was brief but definitely there. I take it he wasn't a fan of that move either. Personally I didn't care that much that they did it (OMD) as much as they didn't really bear any tangible fruit from it. If your going to introduce a plot point, especially one that creates a huge upheaval in the already flowing fictional world then it should pan out as drastically rather than being more of a backdrop status quo. I can't say I loathed the series at any point though personally. Okay O.M.I.T. was way too convoluted to get a shred of enjoyment out of, I'll give on that one.
Quote from: Tomato on April 01, 2014, 05:54:43 PM
Honestly, a part of that goes all the way back to "One More Day"... A good chunk of Spiderman fans, like myself have refused to read a single Spiderman book since that book occurred. It is such a betrayal of everything the character stands for, specifically concerning the book's own mantra about responsibility, that it has tainted everything that has come after it. For fans like me, and even for those who are sticking with the books in spite of their negative feelings towards OMD, for marvel to turn around just a few years later and "kill" the character to replace him with Doc Ock... Yeah, there's going to be more resentment than there would have been had it been just another Spiderman story.
For me, the Spider-Man comics jumped the shark a long time ago. Between Marvel's mishandling of the character and Sony's mishandling of the character, I've lost a lot of attachment to the whole Spider-Man franchise. Space and time does not permit me to list all of the awful decisions made over the years.
The only thing holding my interest in the character right now is the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon on Netflix. If they screw that up...
I've watched enough Ultimate Spiderman to know that it isn't a show I have any real interest in. It's obviously trying to reach a much younger audience (with the anime-esque elements and the over the top humor), but the animation style doesn't appeal to that age range as much as Spectacular Spiderman did.
As for Sony's treatment of the films... While I think Amazing Spiderman was a bit mediocre, the really stupid ideas were wisely excised (by Sony) and there's very little wrong with the movie itself. The only real problem most fans have with it is "wah, they rebooted it" and that is NOT a solid reason to bash a film. ASM laid the groundwork for building a proper movieverse out of Spiderman, and I'm genuinely excited for what they're doing... I'm also terrified that they're trying to do too much too quickly and it's going to blow up in their faces, but that hinges on how well ASM2 balances the elements it's introducing.
I haven't seen the sequel to weigh in (I live in the sticks = what is this reality of which you speak?) proper, but ASM was executed correctly just as a movie in and of itself, and always as dedicated comic book enthusiasts are concern over difference in idiosyncrasies is a spec factor considering the very small percent of the movie going group we actually represent (or society in general for that matter, exactly 0% percent of the people I know understand what I mean when I say Constantine comic book) to how a film stacks up in quality of the whole. But I can't say it's all dismissible either. Now granted one could say that there wouldn't be a sequel even if the first ASM sucked, I've heard this before, but one could argue that any company that gets to make movies based on Marvel characters has a legal responsibility to produce a film in due time with a cap to the draw lest they find themselves under the gavel (look up Marvel's movie contract sometime if you haven't, they are pretty cut throat though the results of their actual lawsuits say enough as well, like Fox for example). But as far as that fan complaint, which is floating around for certain, there is another angle you realize and one even non-fans see of just the film series overall. Which is, and again this is just my knowledge with the first film, that it's clear that many of the differences in the ASM from the SM series are blatantly present solely for re-branding the franchise and creating that very difference and not because they need to be there artistically or the story necessitates it. Understandably, making money is there job, at the end of the day sole responsibility is fiscal and to the investors and shareholders. That's just real life and I wouldn't fault them on intent for that. But still that sort of came/comes off as a cheap move to those seeing it and stutters the overall quality of the film and enjoyment of the experience. Like I said I like the film myself, I even seem to be a part of a very small group that actually prefers Andrew as Peter but I'm also not unable to look away from the clear amount of commercialism glazing the film. Again, maybe when I finally get to see the second there will be less of that, or it least won't be as blaring. So to sum that up, the delivery is correct and they clearly know what they're doing, and the film isn't idiotic, but I can't see complaints about the production as exactly invalid either. A way to explain it was the Coka ad in Superman The Movie. Many movies have ad placements, that's just to be expected. But that one has been pointed out because it points itself out. Despite the efforts to work the ad into the film it still stands out on it's own and works to break down the suspension of disbelief a movie is supposed to adhere to. ASM has that same presence but in its case the ad is for itself, by which I mean the movie is filtered as partial ad for the ASM franchise. It's overlapped but apparent and distracting.
Yeah, I wasn't feeling USM either and I actually love overly corny and/or sugary cartoons. Like I said with the stable they have now Marvel should be putting out a better level of animation, especially since they showed better previously. Then again they Arad which if anything I've read about the man is he was a workaholic the likes of Henson and Winston and his absence may be showing.
I liked the SSM ending for the most part. But I do agree that some things felt a bit rushed.
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Otto reviving Peter just like that for example felt weird, though like Pod said, it plays pretty much exactly how you'd expect it. Otto admits Peter is superior and that only he can do this etc. I did like how everyone recognizes that Peter is back, including Norman. The bits with Anna Maria were touching. End of an era I guess, happy that Pete is back, but Spock was so much fun.
I just hope they keep Anna Maria in the series. She was one of my favorite characters in SSM
Agreed on both. At least they had the honesty to come out say it they did it because of the new films release as well and not try and sugar coat under some oddball creative vision statement. I was bit of a Ren & Stimpy Show fanatic (seriously Spidey fans, find the Spider-man Vs. PTM issue and read it if you haven't) so I'm maybe more in Slott's defense than one should be half the time. I like Anne Marie. I had the passing thought what if they have her
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become the new Doctor Octopus? It seems like the kind of thing they would pull in a Spider-man book. She's a doctor, she was in love with Otto for her motive, ect. That or she actually revives him somehow.
What are anyone's calculations on the Original Sin event now that the #0 issue is out and the event laid out at C2E2?
I read #0. Just for the story it reads " okay " imo. I found it like a smash-up of a Watcher story and an issue of the NOW! Nova series. I have a lot of love for Uatu so I generally accepted what I was reading. As for the events concept I'm having a time pinning down any kind of feelings nor expectations, despite how straight fore ward the idea itself it. I can estimate a lot of backlash over the notion that parts of old history are being embellished, as is usually the case and I'm foreseeing the most of it in regards to the announced tampering of Spider-mans origin, literally to the first appearance. Most readers don't tend to take that lightly, as a few opinions in this thread already attest to. I made a personal observation that even though early to tell, it seems as if Marvel disregarded The Thousand, a character weaved into Peter's origin in the series Webspinners. I can't say I feel a great deal of excitement over what's previewed though I'm minding I may be surprised. I am glad they're choosing to address issues with the Illuminati that I think were on the back burner too long as it was.
I'm not that interested in Original Sin, but I could see it making a decent read later on as a collection.
I'm weary of all the revelations they're planning for this. I'm sure some will make for interesting stories but just seems like a lot of mucking up things retcons.
Interestingly from the teases so far I'm completely on board with the Spider-Man one. Having another character be bitten by the Spider shouldn't really muck with Peter's history, just add a new character (Silk) to play with. I'm looking forward to it (for now at least).
As for the Thousand, he could still fit since he ate the spider after it bite Peter (and later Silk). But very few people remember him anyway.
Personally I don't see it as something that will change his history (guessing for now though), probably more like The Thousand (happy I'm not the only person who read that nightmare fuel of an arc then) where it's something else that was happening " over there " out of frame. I'm okay here but I don't tend to get to heated about what happens with comics. But I can see much of the community getting fired up (hopefully not to the point of threats, I'm tired of seeing this type of attitude displayed by our fellow enthusiasts), in fact I won't doubt a bunch of furious blogs and such will crop up very soon and well before the comics release (same for the Thor/Loki revelation). Myself I just can't get stoked for it short of " moar comics ". Not the Silk character either. I'm apprehensive right out the gate about becoming attached to new Marvel characters, especially female ones as the House Of Ideas has a habit of sweeping them under the rug after awhile (did anyone hear an
Echo in here?...get it? ;)). I am a bit more interested in the Spider cross-over featuring all sorts of spiders, according to the same news every Spider-Woman would be showing up, which itself though makes tossing another female Spider into the mix sort of redundant. Why not work with any of the existing ones which the space instead? Or reignite either MJ's or Carlie's spider virus powers? Or make the secret that May Parker is still alive, it's what fans are really clamoring for anyways. Just seems meh. REAL excited about 2099 though, especially after seeing whose writing. Speaking of Spider-man I raised an eyebrow at this partially vague bit of info:
QuoteWill Peter incorporate any of Doc Ock's costume modifications into his own suit? They said not for now as Peter will have a lot of things to catch up on from being away, but they teased an image hinting someone else might be wearing that suit.
Hmmm....
and this bit for the prior conversation here:
Quote"We are nowhere near done seeing Anna-Maria. You will see her in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man #1, and she's not going anywhere. There's a very uncomfortable conversation coming up between Peter and her," Lowe said. "There are amazing plans for her as a character, too," he promised a fan of hers.
Yay! Else like I said not bumming, nor am I icking at it right out the gate, but it's not something I got amped about. I have enough other books I'm on the edge of my seat about anyways, Aphrodite IX, Cyberforce and Turtles being my tops (*spins head about looking for Top Cow thread*) so my joy from comics remains intact. Still excited about Marvel otherwise. The Wolverine announcement is intriguing, really a story they should have attempted some time ago.
* edit: in regards to what I said about fanrage, nvmd. Hopped about the comic sites, see fires lighting everywhere. Especially in regards to Angela. Oh well, as I've said before I guess everyone just shows their passion for things in different ways.
So if anyone missed it, Marvel is killing of Wolverine in september. According to Charles Soule, the tittle (Death of Wolverine) is not figurative, Logan is really dying at the end of the arc.
Interesting article here
http://www.newsarama.com/20986-c2e2-2014-yes-wolverine-is-really-dying-soule-promises.html
I like the premise of Wolverine's foes coming after him because he doesn't have his healing factor anymore, and him having to adapt his fighting style since he needs to be more careful now.
My main problem is that the whole death and rebirth thing has been done way too many times before (by both Marvel and DC). You get a sales boost for the issues in which the character dies and for the brand new #1 when he comes back. It's getting really hard to care for things like these, aside from the fact that you won't be reading about your favorite character for a year or two when he inevitably comes back.
Still like I said, its an interesting premise for Wolverine, and I hope it ends up being a fun story, eventhough its only a matter of time before they bring him back.
I don't even think of it as killing and rebirth anymore, it more of a "Let change this whole character around and once we're done, we'll reboot him"
Quote from: bat1987 on April 29, 2014, 03:32:04 PM
So if anyone missed it, Marvel is killing of Wolverine in september. According to Charles Soule, the tittle (Death of Wolverine) is not figurative, Logan is really dying at the end of the arc.
Interesting article here
http://www.newsarama.com/20986-c2e2-2014-yes-wolverine-is-really-dying-soule-promises.html
I like the premise of Wolverine's foes coming after him because he doesn't have his healing factor anymore, and him having to adapt his fighting style since he needs to be more careful now.
My main problem is that the whole death and rebirth thing has been done way too many times before (by both Marvel and DC). You get a sales boost for the issues in which the character dies and for the brand new #1 when he comes back. It's getting really hard to care for things like these, aside from the fact that you won't be reading about your favorite character for a year or two when he inevitably comes back.
Still like I said, its an interesting premise for Wolverine, and I hope it ends up being a fun story, eventhough its only a matter of time before they bring him back.
Yeah, it really does get hard to become involved in these stories as 99% of the time, the hero always comes back (R.I.P., Thunderbird I).
Death in the Marvel Universe (conceptually not the character of course) is more a character steps off to another plane of existence/reality/dimension. Just ask Nightcrawler. Or Wolverine, Puck and Sabretooth considering they all recently died and went to Hell for a bit then sort of just got tired of it and walked out. I think it's corny that characters can get sent, or sentenced to afterlife realms that they normally just walked in and out of by their own volition in the first place and pretty much any other character can. " Oh Wolverine's dead? Hey guys, want to go on a field trip and go visit him, maybe bring him a six pack or something? " I remember his first (?) death as well in the Twelve, though revealed to be a Skrull and Wolverine had become a Horseman (still want to make this skin for FFVTTR sometime). Then just stopped being a horseman because he wasn't really feeling it. Yeah death has no meaning in comics, it makes the reading experience a little easier to just accept that as it is. Like I said personally just for where they can go with it I actually think a Wolverine death is long overdue and if played right can make for some interesting stories. Wolverine Goes To Hell wasn't half bad, even if a bit overbaked. Likewise that's another one guaranteed to heat fanrage to the point of atomic explosion. Recall when Frank Castle died (I mean the Dark Reign time, not the one before it), and Wolverine's a bit more popular than that. It'll probably be closer to the lashing out we saw over the Red Hulk, which I think was more due to that they removed the core Green Hulk character than introduced a new one (Spider-man saw the same effect when they removed Peter from the equation. I also think this is part of why the Red She-Hulk series failed, due to Jen not being in the picture). Personally it's a story I'm looking fore ward to reading, but not excited for adding to that overall feeling I'm having. Mainly because it's a cliche concept that's beaten to death. Likewise aside Nightcrawler and that Wolverine himself went through this already just prior to Schism, I haven't been able to feel the whole " lost my healing factor, can die now " thing since the same story ran in Deadpool before NOW! And erm, 100% Thunderbird did in fact come back, more than once I think (speaking for Chaos War that I recall, and I'm pretty sure Necrosha right after it (it was a good read though). Like I said, never really death more the character is just hanging out somewhere else. Jean Grey is a perfect example. She's not dead, nor never was, just in the White Room or whatever.
* I thought about the notion of " rebooting " Wolverine's character a little more and thinking of how convuluted his character and history are, especially off recent events this may actually be a good move if all else to bring the various threads hanging from him to a conclusion and allow him to move foreward as a character.
It is disappointing how things have gotten with deaths and resurrections but ultimately I try to judge the stories by themselves. Still not that interested in Wolverine's death storyline, but I am more interested in how it might affect the books I am reading like Wolverine and the X-Men and Uncanny Avengers.
I just hope that if it's a legit death, not a magical or ambiguous one, that they find a real good way to bring him back or even better live with him dead for a long time.
Quote from: Podmark on April 30, 2014, 04:24:16 AM
It is disappointing how things have gotten with deaths and resurrections but ultimately I try to judge the stories by themselves. Still not that interested in Wolverine's death storyline, but I am more interested in how it might affect the books I am reading like Wolverine and the X-Men and Uncanny Avengers.
I just hope that if it's a legit death, not a magical or ambiguous one, that they find a real good way to bring him back or even better live with him dead for a long time.
With time I learned to be open minded about things like this. More often than not we got good stories that followed character's "death". Aftermath of Cap's death was really well done and Bucky Cap was a great read while it lasted, Dick as Batman and Damian as Robin was great fun while Bruce was gone (was super ticked when they removed Bruce, but came around once i saw the story potential), more recently Doc Ock as Spidey was a blast.
So as long as they do something worthwile with the aftermath, I'm more than OK with this. Whether there's gonna be a new Wolverine or not remains to be seen.
If we go with that theory, then who would replace Logan? X-23? A clone or an Android that thinks he's Logan?
Quote from: bat1987 on April 30, 2014, 11:19:04 AM
With time I learned to be open minded about things like this. More often than not we got good stories that followed character's "death". Aftermath of Cap's death was really well done and Bucky Cap was a great read while it lasted, Dick as Batman and Damian as Robin was great fun while Bruce was gone (was super ticked when they removed Bruce, but came around once i saw the story potential), more recently Doc Ock as Spidey was a blast.
Agreed. That's the view I try to have as well.
Forgive me for putting this in the mix but its just been ticking in my mind. I am as excited as anyone for the new X-Men movie. Seeing the Sentinels in a live action film is a childhood dream come true, no matter how it comes off in real time. Note, I still live in Narnia so this will happen much later for me than it will for most of you. That said I'm watching an advert for the film on Dish and this happens:
" I'm a princess. What are you? "
" I'm the Wolverine. "
Phew! Did someone break wind? It seems like the room just cleared out. I dunno but I think that may be a confirmed shark jump for the Ol' Knucklehead and completely warrant a character death, imo.
Speaking of Dish I was flipping through the pay channels, saw a film titled " Gambit " and was disappointing to find it was not a movie about Remy.
SA, I had the same reaction to seeing that Gambit movie title.
As for Wolverine's death...blah. This will last all of about five minutes. He's still a gravy train for Marvel. I wonder how this will affect the 125 teams he's on. Of course, it's been a LONG time since I cared about Wolverine, so bah. :P
Didn't they already do this once with Wolvie? As in when he lost his adamantium and hsi healing factor went to crap then? Geh...repeats....
Wolverine has such a messed up sense of grief. He kills all his kids that he never knew he had accidentally in a fit of rage (in retrospect he was probably in shock when he considered how much back child support he owed), goes into grief mode and off the grid. Get's mad at Cyclops for child endangerment as a result, breaks up the X-Men and unified mutant race and goes off to become a teacher where he can provide a safe environment for children. Decides to constantly endanger said children to teach them to be safe (over the whole killed his kids thing at this point, living life to it's fullest by gambling and drinking), kills his last kid (I think) Daken in a fit of rage, goes into guilt mode and off the grid, at least in some books, forgets he even cared, loses his powers and metal, goes in grief mode and off the grid, quits the X-Men and school, at least in some books. Yet doesn't seem to care that he destroyed time itself recently in a fit of rage. Every time it's brought up he doesn't even say anything. " My bad. ". " Hey Wolverine? What are going to do about the space time problem? The multiverse is all screwed up, the universe is mad at us, we can't even send the classic X-Men home." " Huh, sorry I'll get back to you when I'm done being depressed about about wearing this armor. mans gotta have his priorities! " ...lol. I just don't know anymore.
I read Amazing Spider-Man #1
Good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otbjhl-c3lw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otbjhl-c3lw)
I had a nightmare last night that Skin from Generation X had an ongoing Marvel Now! book. That wasn't the nightmare, more of something that happened in the prologue.
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As for Wolverine's death...blah. This will last all of about five minutes. He's still a gravy train for Marvel. I wonder how this will affect the 125 teams he's on. Of course, it's been a LONG time since I cared about Wolverine, so bah. :P
See, if they really wanted to shock and awe, they wouldn't come out and telegraph the fact that they're "killing him off". It's a PR stunt, like pretty much every other Marvel death/retcon over the last few years. This is just about riling up a different set of fans.
I think I have to blame the "Death of Superman" story, in a small way. That showed how it was possible to shake up the status quo for an iconic character and make him relevant (and profitable!) again. It wasn't the first (or worst) time a comic book character apparently died, nor the last, but it had a ripple effect. In 2014, the Death/Rebirth theme in comics has been robbed of its' gravitas because it's been overused and cheapened.
When did they ever stop making Wolverine relevant? He's in freaking everything. They'd put him in Avengers if Fox didn't have the rights. (j/k, but there's a grain of truth there.)
Everybody with any experience with Marvel already knows they're not about to kill one of their golden geese, at least not permanently. Worse, when they do bring him back, they're going to continue to make really weird changes to the character before they 'fix' him.
When will Marvel and DC learn that they can't make things "un-happen" and you can't ever really fix continuity problems?
I think Wolverine would be a lot more interesting if they simply decided to lose the nigh-immortal healing factor permanently or semi-permanently, and let him face the world like that. He'd still need to keep the claws somehow, and maybe his enhanced senses, but he doesn't need the healing factor. The character was never really about that. It was always about taming the wild animal within. And about the claws.
Except even in that instance, while Superman's death DID boost sales for the death and resurrection period, sales tanked shortly after. Fans who didn't yet know better felt betrayed and lied to by the whole mess, and it took years for the Superman books to recover from the whole ordeal. On the whole, DC might have made money in the short term, but it backfired in the long term.
I'm not saying this will have nearly the same impact (most comic fans know this is a gimmick, so I doubt it will impact sales very much on the positive or negative) but it really doesn't do anything either. A "good" character death is one that you can tell good stories about... Batman's death allowed for you to tell good stories about Dick Grayson under the cowl, and about what the entire bat family does in the wake of his death. For Wolverine? He's apparently died so many times by now that, for the X-men, this is a tuesday.
Wolverine/X-Men
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In it's defense I think the current Wolverine volume is a decent read. It's a straight forward Wolverine story as well as an X-Men one and I think I'm pretty picky about both. I like many of the X-titles currently. While not completely original I feel the current status quo is refreshing at least. X-Factor is my favorite right now, X-Force the least.
Amazing Spider-man
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I think that the character Panda-mania and Silk are one in the same. I started working on a skin when the first issue came out but halted it since I think it's going to be a variant for another mesh. The hair and body type are a match and it seems like the kind of clue Slott would leave in one of his books. Overall this series delivers and I'm not let down in the least. I think I'm also going to end up being right in seeing Ana attempt to resurrect Octavius in the future.
Original Sin
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Not terrible but not terribly interesting thus far. It reads out the gate like most modern events. Many different select characters are hodgepodged into a team despite some of them having any reason not to be there. Much set-up and regarding an unknown variable in the Marvel Universe though this time it's upfront. I don't think Nick Fury Sr. being in the book is just for kicks either. I wouldn't doubt if both the " mystery boss " has a relation to his character if not the whole plot. Marvel announced at C2E2 that Hickman's S.H.I.E.L.D. series would be in print again soon. I think it's probable that this series may be related to past issue events there.
Just picked up the original Thunderbolts.Best Marvel comic ever IMO.
Yeah the original Busiek/Nicieza Thunderbolts run is great stuff, highly recommended.
^Even when I knew it,the reveal still caught me by suprise.
There powers are vaguely defined.
So what is Jolts power anyway?Electricity?
IIRC originally Jolt had augmented physical traits (vaguely like Captain America, I suppose). After she was shot by the new-at-the-time Scourge (and MAN that makes me feel old. There have been a LOT of Scourges!), she came back in an electrical energy form.
While we're talking T-Bolts, yeah, T-Bolts kicked butt. Fixer was a favorite of mine, though in the later years I became a huge fan of Ghost (who I think totally deserves his own one-shot or miniseries. Make it happen Marvel!). I admit I did grow a fondness for later incarnations such as DiggleBolts and Parker Bolts was not without its moments, but I've really dropped off it since then. I dropped it after it was renamed Dark Avengers and wrote out Songbird and the others (speaking of which, Songbird, and Atlas need to show up again. Make it happen Marvel! Mach is already present in the awesome Superior Foes of Spider-Man, so good for him!) I never tried Way Bolts but to be honest my interest in that one has always been pretty truncated (though Deadpool and Agent Venom were a incentive). Maybe one day.
Some awessome moments there.Ghost rider reaveals he made a few movies,but they all sucked :thumbup:
Heh. Cute.
Also Zemo watched Animal House,but he was rooting for the dean.
Oh man, I remember that. That takes me back. So many good lines in that comic.
Best Marvel comic EVER.
Introducing.......
THE SUPERIOR AVENGERS!!
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Nice piece of art, but who are the girl with the sword and the new Cap?
Sam Wilson (the Falcon) has been asked to fill in after Steve Rogers had the super-soldier serum drained from his body.
The woman with the sword is Angela, originally from Spawn, now hanging around with the Guardians of the Galaxy, and I think Thor and Loki's sister?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_(comics)
Quote from: DrMike2000 on July 17, 2014, 05:54:35 AMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_(comics)
Yep. Original Sin revealed that there was once a Tenth Realm to Asgardian mythos that was inhabited by Angels. The Angels fought the Asgardians and took Odin and Frigga's daughter. Odin sealed off that realm from Asgard in shame, I guess, and he never told Thor and Loki about her.
Shake ups are OK and all, but didn't Steve just recently return as Cap? I think its way too soon to do it again. Falcon makes sense as a replacement but they did a good Cap replacement story with Bucky. Sam is a different character from Bucky that's for sure, and this could prove to be interesting, but I think they should have waited a few years.
If you've been reading Original Sin, the same thing that's happen with Cap is happening with Nick Fury as well, but Steve is still Cap in the Original Sin comic.......Go figure that one out!
I don't mind the line up (I'm always happy to see more Ant-Man, and I'm sure we'll see lots more of him when that movie get made/comes out) and the silver Iron Man suit looks pretty cool, but "Superior Avengers"? "Superior Iron Man"? What, do we need "Superior" versions of everyone now? That's seems silly and lame. Also, wasn't Osborn as Iron Patriot basically the "Superior Iron Man"? As for who's behind the armor and why, I'd have to know more before I could comment on it.
I'm perfectly happy with Falcon as Cap at the moment. The only concern I have is he can keep up interest in the books and if they're good (I have a stack of Remender Cap issues I haven't read, but I've read his other recent runs and I liked those so I'm confident I'll like his Cap). I really did enjoy Brubaker's Cap (though I never finished it) so a good Cap story with an ally of his in the lead role is fine by me.
Cap is being replaced because of negative effects of the super solider serum being removed, despite the fact that its been removed before with no ill effects.
If you're not going to do a reboot, then keep your dang continuity straight or else why bother?
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Nice image, and interesting set of characters.
Haven't seen anything about an actual "Superior" Avengers title, from what I've gathered this is actually a shot of individual characters that are getting pushes.
Medusa - I assume this refers to Marvel's current Inhuman ongoing which they keep trying to push
Scarlet Witch - currently staring in Uncanny Avengers, could be more coming considering her role in Avengers Age of Ultron
Iron Man - new Superior Iron Man title coming
Doctor Strange - probably a new push inspired from the upcoming movie
Ant-Man - probably a new push inspired from the upcoming movie
Winter Soldier - new ongoing coming
Angela - She appears spordically in Guardians of the Galaxy and is now linked to Thor, could be more coming.
Thor (girl) - new Thor ongoing, see other thread.
Captain America (Falcon) - New ongoing.
Inhuman character (I think his name is Inferno) - I assume this refers to Marvel's current Inhuman ongoing which they keep trying to push
Deathlok - new ongoing inspired from Agents of Shield
I kinda wish this was a team though, it's an interesting collection of characters.
The new Iron Man armor looks really cool, very sleek and futuristic. I've read that it is still Tony under the helmet, apparently his ego and superiority complex are unleashed, some kind of anti-hero is he right or wrong kind of hook. The premise doesn't sound that interesting to me, but I like the armor at least.
I love the idea of Falcon as the new Captain America, I thought it would have been a good idea back when Cap "died" a few years ago and Bucky took over. The movie makes this much more valuable to Marvel of course, with viewers of The Winter Soldier more likely to be interested now that they actually know who Sam Wilson is. It also could create some intrigue about who might take over from Chris Evans as Cap if Marvel Studios is going that route (and I think they are). However, I'm not big on the costume from what I've seen. It just doesn't look iconic. Cap is all about being an icon, a symbol and this look seems too piecemeal. He looks like super cop to me. Maybe I'll change my mind as I see it more though.
Quote from: bredon7777 on July 18, 2014, 11:34:30 AM
Cap is being replaced because of negative effects of the super solider serum being removed, despite the fact that its been removed before with no ill effects.
If you're not going to do a reboot, then keep your dang continuity straight or else why bother?
smh
While a decent point, and I've had similar complains while reading comics, I ultimately come down to an ends justify the means perspective. The potential story of having Steve deal with suddenly becoming old sounds quite interesting to me and isn't something I can recall being attempting, at least not on this scale. It's unfortunate that the method to achieve this doesn't fit with past history, but it would be easy for me to no-prize it and say something about this event was different (and having not read this story or any past ones where he lost the super soldier serum - as far as I know it is different).
It seems to stem from a point of "What would Steve do if he became his actual age? How would the MU deal with that?" and that sounds like a interesting story to me. And then they thought "Well how does this happen?" and a method was written and apparently it doesn't quite fit with continuity and for whatever reason that was missed or ignored.
Quote from: Podmark on July 19, 2014, 07:54:23 PM
While a decent point, and I've had similar complains while reading comics, I ultimately come down to an ends justify the means perspective. The potential story of having Steve deal with suddenly becoming old sounds quite interesting to me and isn't something I can recall being attempting, at least not on this scale. It's unfortunate that the method to achieve this doesn't fit with past history, but it would be easy for me to no-prize it and say something about this event was different (and having not read this story or any past ones where he lost the super soldier serum - as far as I know it is different).
It seems to stem from a point of "What would Steve do if he became his actual age? How would the MU deal with that?" and that sounds like a interesting story to me. And then they thought "Well how does this happen?" and a method was written and apparently it doesn't quite fit with continuity and for whatever reason that was missed or ignored.
Here's the thing- if there is ABSOLUTELY no other way to tell the story you want to tell (and it's a good story), by all means violate continuity. But as far as I am concerned you are obligated to try your damndest to avoid violating it, or else you're just being a lazy writer- in which case I ask again, why bother?
I agree that ""What would Steve do if he became his actual age? How would the MU deal with that?" sounds like a very interesting story. Thing is I can think of half a dozen ways it could be done without violating already established continuity - and that's without trying very hard.
That said, I would hope that Marvel are not such UTTER screw-ups that they would neglect to mention that removing the serum has been tried before and at least provide some sort of pseudo-scientific reason why this time is such a cock-up.
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Quote from: Podmark on July 19, 2014, 07:54:23 PM
I agree that ""What would Steve do if he became his actual age? How would the MU deal with that?" sounds like a very interesting story. Thing is I can think of half a dozen ways it could be done without violating already established continuity - and that's without trying very hard.
Care to elaborate on some of those ways? Out of curiosity, of course.
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Quote from: Podmark on July 19, 2014, 07:54:23 PM
I agree that ""What would Steve do if he became his actual age? How would the MU deal with that?" sounds like a very interesting story. Thing is I can think of half a dozen ways it could be done without violating already established continuity - and that's without trying very hard.
Care to elaborate on some of those ways? Out of curiosity, of course.
1) Cap teams up with Dr. Strange and gets hit with an aging spell
2) One of reed's time machines leaks time on to him causing him to age
3) There's an accident with one of Reed's dimension machines and he's swapped with a normal aged steve rogers from another Dimension
4) More if you want to explore the MU's reaction than Steve's, but- kidnapped and replaced with a LMD designed to simulate an aging Steve
etc, etc.
Since the super soldier serum has altered Captain America's body chemistry, removing it has a range of negative side effects, is the way I interpret it.
As Podmark mentioned, Steve becoming old is an interesting story. From memory, the only initial side-effect Captain America suffered in the 1990s' "Streets of Poison" story arc when his super soldier serum was removed was the loss of his enhanced strength (even though he retained his musculature). He fought Crossbones (who had just finished laying a smack down on both Daredevil and Bullseye a few issues earlier), and still defeated him after a brief tussle.
The point of that story was that Super Soldier serum didn't make Captain America, it was the man behind the shield, but it was a point made in a slightly boring fashion (despite Steve being high on crystal meth for most of it). I'm looking forward to seeing "old" Steve in a mentor role for awhile and this particular massaging of continuity isn't universe breaking.
There was a mini series during Ed Brubaker's run, "Steve Rogers: Super Soldier" that took place during Heroic Age, where Steve was the director of S.H.I.E.L.D, where Steve lost his powers as well. They were "deactivated" by Machinesmith, and Steve just turned less muscular but not old. Later in the mini he got the super soldier serum "reactivated" by being exposed to a "Vita Ray" projector. I had to look this up just now for the details because it's been years since I read that storyline and my memory is foggy. No idea how it syncs with the other stories mentioned here but I think the "deactivated/reactivated" bit has a lot to do with it (the serum was presumably still in his body but was "inert". Doesn't really explain the sudden shift in body mass but hey comics).
I hate the mucking around with Steve, period. Anyone else they put the Captain America name on it going to be a pretender, at best. Even if Steve endorses them.
The twist I'd like to see, rather than what's being done with him and Thor? Make Steve the new Thor, since he has proven worthy of lifting Mjolnir.
I'm hoping the new Thor is Sif. If its Jane Foster, color me unimpressed. If its a different character, I hope they meet the same fate as Thundestrike. Still not happy they killed him off. (I'd rather have Eric Masterson alive and powerless and USAgent (who I usually call by a name I can't repeat here) dead)
Quote from: GhostMachine on July 23, 2014, 05:40:55 AM
I hate the mucking around with Steve, period. Anyone else they put the Captain America name on it going to be a pretender, at best. Even if Steve endorses them.
The twist I'd like to see, rather than what's being done with him and Thor? Make Steve the new Thor, since he has proven worthy of lifting Mjolnir.
I'm hoping the new Thor is Sif. If its Jane Foster, color me unimpressed. If its a different character, I hope they meet the same fate as Thundestrike. Still not happy they killed him off. (I'd rather have Eric Masterson alive and powerless and USAgent (who I usually call by a name I can't repeat here) dead)
Steve possessing the power of Thor to help him would have been a good story. Thor becomes unworthy to carry the hammer, so he gives it to the only guy he can trust with it, Steve Rogers. Thor comics would continue with Thor trying to be worthy of the hammer again. This sound so similar to a Batman story......
All very interesting changes. Wish I had the funds to give all these an extended try once they're on the shelf.
Is there any information on who will be writing Captain America while Falcon is rocking the shield? Ditto on the upcoming Winter Soldier ongoing?
Quote from: murs47 on July 23, 2014, 06:56:11 PM
All very interesting changes. Wish I had the funds to give all these an extended try once they're on the shelf.
Is there any information on who will be writing Captain America while Falcon is rocking the shield? Ditto on the upcoming Winter Soldier ongoing?
Remender will still be on Cap, the whole thing was his idea in the first place. A definite plus is Stuart Immonen on the art :thumbup:
Quote from: murs47 on July 23, 2014, 06:56:11 PM
Is there any information on who will be writing Captain America while Falcon is rocking the shield? Ditto on the upcoming Winter Soldier ongoing?
All New Captain AmericaWriter: Rick Remender
Artist: Stuart Immonen
Bucky Barnes: The Winter SoldierWriter: Ales Kot
Artist: Marco Rudy
Kot and Remender? Good...good...
I think Spider-man 2099 #1 may have made my vote for best Marvel issue of the month. I was a fan of the original series so I may be bias though.
Reading Original Sin. Eh. I'm not going to put it down but I can't say it's great either. It comes like most Marvel events do (speaking for the main series itself here). The team of characters assembled are pretty mismatched and appear to be present as hooks to bring in readerships from different corners of the MU and introduce them to other corners. A few mistakes made regarding continuity and such as if the writer either didn't do the research or just care, though not major ones either (Emma getting the drop on Gamora while standing right in front of her with one-punch no less...then again Gamora always get's the shaft when fighting a popular character so maybe it does fit?).
I feel the " secrets " highlighted here would have been better played if they chose to use already established ones that we the reader know but the characters do not. Like Steve and the Illuminati for example. What they doing instead seems to be sidestepping continuity in order to tell fresh stories without being called out for it. That is a good or bad thing I guess depending on how one receives it.
While I like the " secret character " personally I feel he's irrelevant to current books and feel new readers might be at a loss here. As well his hard fanbase may be a bit irate with the changes made (I'm not a devoted " you know who " fan so if someone can correct me there "). The event at this point anyways feels like a concept just to have and less like it will be something that has much of a lasting effect on Marvel's overall status quo, much like Fear Itself was. I'm enjoying the mini's but I usually do as they tend to highlight characters who otherwise aren't getting any attention.
If I'm seeing it right it appears the Fantastic 4 ones are a springboard to change the series in a way that it lines up with the new film in time for it's release. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
I wouldn't give Original Sin high marks at this point but I'll say it's readable if that means anything. I'm more pumped for Infinity Revelation at this point especially as it appears Starlin may be returning to his characters and his usual go-to characters could well return with him (Adam Warlock for example).
Ultimate Spider Man 4
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I seriously hope that's not really Peter. Miles is such a great character and I don't want him to take a backseat. When "Peter" appeared in first issue, I didn't think it was him for a second, but Aunt May's mother instinct at the end says otherwise. Although with Spider-verse approaching this might be Peter from universe similar to Ultimate one, but he didn't die there.
As to what Bat said....
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This is a long shot, but maybe Doc Ock would take over Ultimate Peter body and fight in the future (2099), since Spidey 2099 is now in 2014. Then we can still keep Miles and Doc Ock as Spidey. Then Marvel can make a new series call Superior Spider-man 2099
Has anybody been reading Original Sin???
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What the heck could Fury had said that would make Thor unworthy??
Reading it yeah. Which issue (won't pick up the new one for a week or so)?
As for Ultimate SpM:
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They've iterated this a few times since, now in the new series and I think a few of the other Spider books, but during Spider-men when Miles met 616 Spider-man, Peter whispered a secret to him and warned him about clones. Can't call it for sure but that's likely 616 Peter's warning panning out.
Quote from: JeyNyce on August 16, 2014, 03:15:45 AM
Has anybody been reading Original Sin???
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What the heck could Fury had said that would make Thor unworthy??
Yeah, I don't get that. Maybe it'll be explained well, but I have my doubts.
Quote from: Talavar on August 16, 2014, 04:27:25 AM
Yeah, I don't get that. Maybe it'll be explained well, but I have my doubts.
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If it's something really stupid like Jane Foster is your lost sister I'm gonna knock myself unconconcious after hitting my head against a brick wall :banghead:
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Quote from: Talavar on August 16, 2014, 04:27:25 AM
Yeah, I don't get that. Maybe it'll be explained well, but I have my doubts.
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If it's something really stupid like Jane Foster is your lost sister I'm gonna knock myself unconconcious after hitting my head against a brick wall :banghead:
That's the thing:
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Anything Nick Fury says can't change what Thor has done; all it can do is reveal some hidden consequence or secret that casts something Thor has done in a different light. That has an unpleasant consequence - Mjolnir is no longer the arbiter of worthiness, and it instead becomes a potential wielder's view of their own actions. Thor can't wield Mjolnir because he no longer thinks of himself as worthy, not in itself a problem. That comes when a delusional psychopath, who thinks they're totally justified in every terrible thing they've done, could wield the hammer. This is conjecture, but seems like the way they're going. :thumbdown:
Quote from: Talavar on August 16, 2014, 02:40:26 PM
Quote from: crimsonquill on August 16, 2014, 07:52:46 AM
Quote from: Talavar on August 16, 2014, 04:27:25 AM
Yeah, I don't get that. Maybe it'll be explained well, but I have my doubts.
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If it's something really stupid like Jane Foster is your lost sister I'm gonna knock myself unconconcious after hitting my head against a brick wall :banghead:
That's the thing: Spoiler
Anything Nick Fury says can't change what Thor has done; all it can do is reveal some hidden consequence or secret that casts something Thor has done in a different light. That has an unpleasant consequence - Mjolnir is no longer the arbiter of worthiness, and it instead becomes a potential wielder's view of their own actions. Thor can't wield Mjolnir because he no longer thinks of himself as worthy, not in itself a problem. That comes when a delusional psychopath, who thinks they're totally justified in every terrible thing they've done, could wield the hammer. This is conjecture, but seems like the way they're going. :thumbdown:
I'm not trying to justify this (this whole thing is stupid beyond reason), but
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perhaps Fury didn't say something about Thor's past, but instead muttered an ancient phrase that acts sort of like a "reset button" for Thor? Like he has to prove himself all over again? That might sound really dumb, but I find it more likeable than telling Thor that he did something naughty and Mjolnir going "OHHHHH HEL NO!!!"
Quote from: Talavar on August 16, 2014, 02:40:26 PM
Quote from: crimsonquill on August 16, 2014, 07:52:46 AM
Quote from: Talavar on August 16, 2014, 04:27:25 AM
Yeah, I don't get that. Maybe it'll be explained well, but I have my doubts.
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If it's something really stupid like Jane Foster is your lost sister I'm gonna knock myself unconconcious after hitting my head against a brick wall :banghead:
That's the thing: Spoiler
Anything Nick Fury says can't change what Thor has done; all it can do is reveal some hidden consequence or secret that casts something Thor has done in a different light. That has an unpleasant consequence - Mjolnir is no longer the arbiter of worthiness, and it instead becomes a potential wielder's view of their own actions. Thor can't wield Mjolnir because he no longer thinks of himself as worthy, not in itself a problem. That comes when a delusional psychopath, who thinks they're totally justified in every terrible thing they've done, could wield the hammer. This is conjecture, but seems like the way they're going. :thumbdown:
What if it was something like this:
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Whatever Fury said makes THOR think he's unworthy and HE can't lift the hammer through some subconscious block. So the hammer is still working like it always has but Thor can't see himself as worthy anymore.
Not sure if that's better or worse. I'm not even speculating that's what's happening. Just something I thought of while reading your post.
Quote from: spydermann93 on August 16, 2014, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: Talavar on August 16, 2014, 02:40:26 PM
Quote from: crimsonquill on August 16, 2014, 07:52:46 AM
Quote from: Talavar on August 16, 2014, 04:27:25 AM
Yeah, I don't get that. Maybe it'll be explained well, but I have my doubts.
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If it's something really stupid like Jane Foster is your lost sister I'm gonna knock myself unconconcious after hitting my head against a brick wall :banghead:
That's the thing: Spoiler
Anything Nick Fury says can't change what Thor has done; all it can do is reveal some hidden consequence or secret that casts something Thor has done in a different light. That has an unpleasant consequence - Mjolnir is no longer the arbiter of worthiness, and it instead becomes a potential wielder's view of their own actions. Thor can't wield Mjolnir because he no longer thinks of himself as worthy, not in itself a problem. That comes when a delusional psychopath, who thinks they're totally justified in every terrible thing they've done, could wield the hammer. This is conjecture, but seems like the way they're going. :thumbdown:
I'm not trying to justify this (this whole thing is stupid beyond reason), but
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perhaps Fury didn't say something about Thor's past, but instead muttered an ancient phrase that acts sort of like a "reset button" for Thor? Like he has to prove himself all over again? That might sound really dumb, but I find it more likeable than telling Thor that he did something naughty and Mjolnir going "OHHHHH HEL NO!!!"
That would definitely be preferrable.
Quote from: spydermann93 on August 16, 2014, 03:49:18 PM
I'm not trying to justify this (this whole thing is stupid beyond reason), but
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perhaps Fury didn't say something about Thor's past, but instead muttered an ancient phrase that acts sort of like a "reset button" for Thor? Like he has to prove himself all over again? That might sound really dumb, but I find it more likeable than telling Thor that he did something naughty and Mjolnir going "OHHHHH HEL NO!!!"
I'd I have no problem with this.
Hey, Marvel is actually putting out a book that I'm considering buying! Amazing!:
http://majorspoilers.com/2014/09/07/sneak-peek-guardians-3000-1/
Quote from: BentonGrey on September 07, 2014, 09:08:30 PM
Hey, Marvel is actually putting out a book that I'm considering buying! Amazing!:
http://majorspoilers.com/2014/09/07/sneak-peek-guardians-3000-1/
With a solid writer like Abnett and a talent like Sandoval drawing it, I can't blame you. I may check this out as well.
Anyone looking forward to the AXIS event? I can't say I'm excited, but I find myself not dreading it. It just has that classic 'evil vs. good' theme to it. I do appreciate the fact that it's been a slow build up to this, opposed to it being made out of thin air and slammed down my throat. Good ol' Remender with the slow build up. Hopefully, it has his high stakes end game as well.
For anyone that hasn't been reading marvel lately, the jist of AXIS is:
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After Xavier was killed by Cyclops(Dark Phoenix mode) in AvX, Red Skull steals his corpse and surgically implants Xavier's brain with his own giving him Xavier's powers. He's also turned Genosha in to a modern Auschwitz for mutants.
I'm very excited for Axis. Remender has consistently been one of my favourites at Marvel for the past few years so I'm expecting a solid story. However...
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The premise of Axis isn't simply a classic good vs evil story. Somehow the Red Skull will shift the characters of the MU on their moral Axis. This is how we're getting the jerk Tony Stark as the Superior Iron Man. We'll also be getting a heroic Hobgoblin and Carnage, and presumable evil X-Men.
I'm very dubious of this concept. I love the idea of seeing the X-Men and Avengers team up to take down the Red Skull. That sounds awesome, but this added wrinkle I'm not so sure about. Still I'm very much on board for the ride. This a Spider-Verse are two comics I'm all over.
Oh wow, I was not expecting that. I can see why you're wary of the concept. But, I think under Remender it should be good.
As long as Bendis stays the heck away it will be good.
Honestly I can't believe I'm still buying Uncanny and All New.
In the time its taken Bendis to get...anywhere with his plot, or advance Cyclops' storyline, both Aaron and Remender had already accomplished so much with their runs on Uncanny X-Force and Wolverine and the X-Men.
Sounds interesting,but I won't be picking it up because I'm a little worn out, mentally, from all of Marvel big events. There was Original Sin, which brings the new Captain America and Thor and the effects are still rippling throughout the MU, then there's the Spider-Verse. There's so much going on that sometimes I just want to sit down and read a self contain one-shot story.
Quote from: detourne_me on September 19, 2014, 03:46:18 PM
As long as Bendis stays the heck away it will be good.
Honestly I can't believe I'm still buying Uncanny and All New.
In the time its taken Bendis to get...anywhere with his plot, or advance Cyclops' storyline, both Aaron and Remender had already accomplished so much with their runs on Uncanny X-Force and Wolverine and the X-Men.
Agreed. Very much agreed. I like the characters and all, but jeez louise, do something already, Bendis.
Quote from: JeyNyce on September 19, 2014, 03:50:59 PM
Sounds interesting,but I won't be picking it up because I'm a little worn out, mentally, from all of Marvel big events. There was Original Sin, which brings the new Captain America and Thor and the effects are still rippling throughout the MU, then there's the Spider-Verse. There's so much going on that sometimes I just want to sit down and read a self contain one-shot story.
Ya, I don't blame you. Especially because Original Sin was so underwhelming.
Wow, NA#34 didn't pull any punches now did it? I don't know where to begin and I mean that literally.
Quote from: SickAlice on September 29, 2014, 03:25:58 AM
Wow, NA#34 didn't pull any punches now did it? I don't know where to begin and I mean that literally.
Dr. Doom...so boss.
But yes, New Avengers #24 and Avengers #35 are an epic opening for this "8 months later..." story. I also wouldn't know where to begin.
see what happen when big companies can't play together....
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/10/05/confirmed-fantastic-four-to-be-cancelled-in-2015-with-a-triple-sized-issue-645-as-january-kicks-off-fantastic-fourever/
Now that's just silly.
* shrug * Honestly, and I think Robinson's run is decent if not heavy handed and disregards continuity, but F4 has been on the lamb for the past decade or more with the exceptions of Jim Lee's Heroes Reborn and Hickman's run. If it wasn't one thing it would be another ending this volume. Personally I think Dr.Doom is traveling outside continuity into the real world and sabotaging the series to spite Reed. Hey don't giggle, he's actually done it already canon and everything.
Quote from: SickAlice on October 05, 2014, 10:27:22 PM
* shrug * Honestly, and I think Robinson's run is decent if not heavy handed and disregards continuity, but F4 has been on the lamb for the past decade or more with the exceptions of Jim Lee's Heroes Reborn and Hickman's run. If it wasn't one thing it would be another ending this volume. Personally I think Dr.Doom is traveling outside continuity into the real world and sabotaging the series to spite Reed. Hey don't giggle, he's actually done it already canon and everything.
And kids think only Deadpool can break the 4th wall.... :D
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 05, 2014, 02:35:03 PM
see what happen when big companies can't play together....
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/10/05/confirmed-fantastic-four-to-be-cancelled-in-2015-with-a-triple-sized-issue-645-as-january-kicks-off-fantastic-fourever/
Now, this is just plain asinine.
Note to whomever it concerns. Don't read the 4th issue of Edge Of Spider-verse right before bedtime. Page after page of nightmare fuel that issue is.
Want! Want now!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56038 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56038)
It's about time. I will be picking this one up
Hmmmm... I'm thinking....
Huh, Squirrel Girl and I are both Computer Science majors.
Quote from: Comic Vine InterviewCV: Squirrel Girl's going to be going to college now. What kind of classes will she be taking?
Ryan North: There's actually a conversation about this in the first issue! She and Tippy-Toe (her squirrel friend) are talking, and Tippy is APPALLED that she'd go to college and not study squirrels. And Squirrel Girl explains that she ALREADY knows all about squirrels! She's SQUIRREL GIRL. Why would she go to college to study what she already knows?
Anyway, this is all to say: she's studying computer science.
Interesting :P
Quote from: spydermann93 on October 08, 2014, 09:19:25 PM
Huh, Squirrel Girl and I are both Computer Science majors.
Quote from: Comic Vine InterviewCV: Squirrel Girl's going to be going to college now. What kind of classes will she be taking?
Ryan North: There's actually a conversation about this in the first issue! She and Tippy-Toe (her squirrel friend) are talking, and Tippy is APPALLED that she'd go to college and not study squirrels. And Squirrel Girl explains that she ALREADY knows all about squirrels! She's SQUIRREL GIRL. Why would she go to college to study what she already knows?
Anyway, this is all to say: she's studying computer science.
Interesting :P
She is going to be Tony Starks assistance and she will become IRON SQUIRREL! :thumbup:
One of MARVEL's upcoming big events of 2015 was just teased at NYCC and it looks like we are getting a sequel to SECRET WARS after all merged with CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS at the same time.
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/136/368/original/Secret-Wars.jpg?1412902547)
Personally, I just saved that image and planning to make it my menu screen for Freedom Force because it looks like something out of our FF modding dreams doesn't it? LOL
- CQ
Nice art. I would totally make that wallpaper for the month if this one didn't already take the spot.
(https://static.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/51ce6099e4b0d911b4489b79/51ce6193e4b0d911b4498dee/1351029254397/1000w/spider-maneockwaeel10222012.jpeg)
Another Secret Wars? And what is American Dream doing there? Isn't she from the future/ Alternate Universe?
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 10, 2014, 07:59:03 PM
Another Secret Wars? And what is American Dream doing there? Isn't she from the future/ Alternate Universe?
Rumors are that MARVEL is planning a CRISIS of their very own to merge the Ultimate Universe, MC2, 2099, Earth X, Old Man Logan, New Universe, and various others into a single universe to clean house and undo some damage along the way. Secret Wars is part of that by having the Beyonder return and this time he decides to play fanboy by bringing versions of heroes and villains from every alternate timeline together to see which is the better version. All of these "big event" stories are aftershocks of messing around with time travel and crossing over into alternate universes which ends with the birth of a new universe. Least that is what the rumors coming from NYCC are saying.
- CQ
Quote from: crimsonquill on October 10, 2014, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 10, 2014, 07:59:03 PM
Another Secret Wars? And what is American Dream doing there? Isn't she from the future/ Alternate Universe?
Rumors are that MARVEL is planning a CRISIS of their very own to merge the Ultimate Universe, MC2, 2099, New Universe, and various others into a single universe to clean house and undo some damage along the way. Secret Wars is part of that by having the Beyonder return and this time he decides to play fanboy by bringing versions of heroes and villains from every alternate timeline together to see which is the better version. All of these "big event" stories are aftershocks of messing around with time travel and crossing over into alternate universes which ends with the birth of a new universe. Least that is what the rumors coming from NYCC are saying.
- CQ
In other words...
A way to bring back Cap, Thor, Wolverine and anybody else we may have screwed over. Gotcha! ;)
As of the events of Age Of Ultron time and space where badly damaged. The result has lead to various characters from different timelines/realities bumping into each other as has been the ongoing theme in...well pretty much every Marvel NOW! book since the lines stated shipping with that header.
Speaking of alternate realities I just read ASM#7 and...
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After the seeing Spider-man and his Amazing Friends (the cartoons designation is Earth-8107) brutally murdered right in front of Ms.Lion I'm pretty sure part of my own actually died too. I didn't realize " killing my childhood " could come to pass in such a literal sense. Words escape me past this.
Quote from: crimsonquill on October 10, 2014, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 10, 2014, 07:59:03 PM
Another Secret Wars? And what is American Dream doing there? Isn't she from the future/ Alternate Universe?
Rumors are that MARVEL is planning a CRISIS of their very own to merge the Ultimate Universe, MC2, 2099, New Universe, and various others into a single universe to clean house and undo some damage along the way. Secret Wars is part of that by having the Beyonder return and this time he decides to play fanboy by bringing versions of heroes and villains from every alternate timeline together to see which is the better version. All of these "big event" stories are aftershocks of messing around with time travel and crossing over into alternate universes which ends with the birth of a new universe. Least that is what the rumors coming from NYCC are saying.
- CQ
I'm actually pretty excited about this one. Has anybody else noticed Dr. Zero, from Epic's Shadowline saga? Never thought I'd see that guy again. Hopefully they'll find a way to include the Malibu/ Ultraverse characters in this, a few of those had potential. Heck at this point I'd settle for some Strikeforce Morituri, or Nth Man the ultimate ninja.
Quote from: SickAlice on October 10, 2014, 11:34:48 PM
As of the events of Age Of Ultron time and space where badly damaged. The result has lead to various characters from different timelines/realities bumping into each other as has been the ongoing theme in...well pretty much every Marvel NOW! book since the lines stated shipping with that header.
Speaking of alternate realities I just read ASM#7 and...
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After the seeing Spider-man and his Amazing Friends (the cartoons designation is Earth-8107) brutally murdered right in front of Ms.Lion I'm pretty sure part of my own actually died too. I didn't realize " killing my childhood " could come to pass in such a literal sense. Words escape me past this.
I've been having this feeling for years.
Secret Wars intrigues me. Haven't read much except that it's by Jonathan Hickman current writer of Avengers and New Avengers, so one would presume that it's the finale of his run. His run has largely been about alternate universes colliding with the main MU, which fits that image to a tee.
Most exciting for me is that there are several MC2 characters depicted. I'd love to see them in action again!
I see Ghost Rider 2099, I am happy, too.
Interesting to point out that there are no x-men in that teaser.
Fantastic Four and X-Men are oddly absent from all Marvel comic promotions because of that stupid feud in upper management between Disney and FOX. The Fantastic FourEVER storyline occurs just before SECRET WARS which ends the team and introduces a storyline which crosses thru Fantastic Four and X-Men called "No More Mutants" which was previewed at NYCC with a promotional painting of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch standing in some kind of spotlight looking like they were cornered by something or somebody. Looks like MARVEL has their own event planned for those titles which ties into the new universe reboot.
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/450/0/1/nomoremutants-1552e.jpg)
- CQ
Weird. I'm reading the promotional stuff for the X-Men comics from NYCC right now. Maybe the journalist who originally shared that notion jumped the starting gun a little?
Quote from: SickAlice on October 12, 2014, 03:32:32 PM
Weird. I'm reading the promotional stuff for the X-Men comics from NYCC right now. Maybe the journalist who originally shared that notion jumped the starting gun a little?
This is what I found on Newsarama so far about the art and newsfeed about the image itself:
QuoteFriday morning at the conclusion of Marvel's "Retailer Exclusive: Meet MARVEL!" panel at New York Comic Con, the publisher posted a teaser slide featuring artwork showing the sibling mutants Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch caught in a red-ish spotlight with the title "No More Mutants" behind them with the date January 2015, according to a retailer in attendance who supplied us the image.
The artwork appears to be by Daniel Acuna, who recently completed a run on Uncanny Avengers – also starring the Scarlet Witch.
We caught up with X-Men executive editor Mike Marts at NYCC and asked about the teaser and he assured us his corner of the Marvel Universe isn't going away.
"No More Mutants" isn't even an X-Men event, but an Avengers story, he told us. The story is "growing out of the events of [their current event] Axis," according to Marvel editor and Senior Vice President of Publishing Tom Brevoort, who was also on hand to clarify.
Marts went on to also reassure fans that the X-Men are even "massively involved" in the spring and summer 2015 event Secret Wars announced Thursday night, despite the lack of mutants in the Alex Ross image that was released with the news.
- CQ
Thanks t like I said I read it. I'll just quote Bendis from last week here then:
QuoteJust so we say it on the record -- it's coming from my mouth to the pages of Comic Book Resources -- the X-Men line is not cancelled. It is not near cancelled, no book that I'm writing is cancelled. We are planning, in fact, the day before New York Comic Con, I am going into Marvel -- just myself -- to sit and lock down all the things we have planned. That includes four or five big questions we're just going to lock down. That's going to happen.
The following Saturday, there's an X-Men panel! It is focused on "Death of Wolverine" because that is the X-Men event, and we do -- even when I was on "Avengers," we had a "Secret Invasion" panel, not an Avengers panel. It doesn't mean that Marvel hates the Avengers, it's the subject that will get people in. We will be covering and showing stuff, but Wolverine is an X-Man and it's an X-Men panel!
I feel bad that some people online are making other people online nervous or feel bad with half-truths or just misreading, "Oh my God! There's no X-Men on the cover of this book, Marvel hates the X-Men!" There are characters that Disney has an investment in their future. But the X-Men are a very vital part of publishing and are treated so all the way through. There's no one working on this book that isn't an A-List talent. The art is amazing top to bottom. The best artist that was working on DC that wasn't working at Marvel was Andrea Sorrentino. The minute they became available, I was offered him. To me, that says everything! They didn't say put him on "Guardians," which is obviously the book. They said, "How about him and you doing an X-Men project?" and I said, "I know which one to do where he can do everything that he does!"
You go online, and I just think, "You're wrong! You're looking at a cover and I'm telling you look at who they're putting on the books." I just wanted to reiterate that, and it kind of hurts my feelings a little bit. I literally write X-Men every day and then people go, "You guys don't care about it." Sometimes I have tears in my eyes while I'm writing this stuff. I care so much! I've never been on a book where people were so sure there was a conspiracy and were so wrong.
- Brian Michael Bendis
I had to check it over three times in case it needed to be edited as Bendis tends to curse a lot, lol.
Of course the X-Men aren't going anywhere. Including Deadpool comics, that line is 1/3 of all publishing revenue. Greater than any other line, including Avengers. The thing that troubles me is that the mutants are still being sequestered off into their own group. Then when events roll around like AvX, the supposed villain of the story, Cyclops, can say things like "the Avengers have never been there for mutants" and be completely right.
Maybe the concept of mutants as a hated and feared race of people just doesn't work within a shared universe. They actually have to be marginalised in order to be marginalised.
I don't know about anyone else but none of the NYCC news really got me excited. I'm " looking foreward " to a lot of things but most were upcoming stuff that's already been revealed either by the press, in universe or both. I like the new Silk costume and the news of her and Spider-Gwen getting their own series (moreso the latter) but not jumping off my hooves excited. The Archie Vs Predator one got an eyebrow raise but to me the whole contrast Archie against a darker opposite thing has lost it's luster in becoming cliche'. When they did it with the Punisher what was so appealing was the fact that it was so out of left field and unexpected. I suppose in the digital age it's nearly impossible to be surprised nor should one have an expectation for it though. The Secret Wars thing looks interesting too. I really haven't been steered wrong by Hickman so I'm sure to digest it. Again since I'm reading the books it's not really shocking news either since a merging of alternate realities has been the going rate since NOW! began.
Oh, and is it just me but does the Black Vortex header kind of look like something out of a Don Bluth animation?
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/features/nycc-humphries-marts-open-up-marvels-the-black-vortex.jpg)
Has anybody been reading the new HULK series? It's pretty good and I like the way Marvel is cleaning up the Hulk characters that have outlasted their welcome. You'll know what I mean if you read the last few issues, but just in case you haven't...
Spoiler
The Hulk or Doc Green as he is called is curing all the Gamma infected heroes. First he started with A-Bomb (Rick Jones) and the went after Skarr. Next on his list are the Red Hulks and then he's going to deal with She-Hulk, which I think is going to be the most interesting meetings of them all.
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 17, 2014, 02:10:33 PM
Has anybody been reading the new HULK series? It's pretty good and I like the way Marvel is cleaning up the Hulk characters that have outlasted their welcome. You'll know what I mean if you read the last few issues, but just in case you haven't...
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The Hulk or Doc Green as he is called is curing all the Gamma infected heroes. First he started with A-Bomb (Rick Jones) and the went after Skarr. Next on his list are the Red Hulks and then he's going to deal with She-Hulk, which I think is going to be the most interesting meetings of them all.
Yep, personally hoping Betty's next
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Which is probably more than likely looking at the last few pages
I've read the first couple issues of Axis and I'm quite liking it. The 2nd issue dragged a fair bit though, but the ending made up for it.
The funny thing is the first issue felt much more like the end of a story, not the beginning. This is mostly because it was a direct continuation of Uncanny Avengers.
I think it's digestible. Enjoying Spider-verse more. Magneto is my favorite character in AXIS so far, not a hard grab since he's center stage.
Favorite moment:
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Cyclops and Havok bro moment. Hit me in the feels.
First Fantastic Four, now She-Hulk... :banghead:
https://games.yahoo.com/news/three-books-come-end-january-160300551.html
This is sort of amusing. Have you ever Google image searched " Marvel Secret Wars 2014 " ? This is what came up, just a big block-out of the same image. Note where my slider is at.
(http://catman.freedomforceforever.com/temp/secretwarsblock.jpg)
I should probably let it run for a bit before making a final call but I'll say now for how cliche and flat the concept itself is Death Of Wolverine is decent reading. Maybe I'm swayed to see characters like X-23 and Mystique get more attention but of the mini itself the story is a solid Wolverine one and the art is especially gorgeous. The surprise in the end did make the hairs on my neck stand up and brought back nostalgic feelings about Fatal Attractions. In the least I'll say it didn't come out the ham I was expecting.
INTERESTING!:
https://games.yahoo.com/news/marvel-teases-x-men-92-143300812.html
This could actually get me to buy a mainstream comic again.
Interesting crossover:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56813
^ YA!!!
Just finished ASM#9, the kick-off of Spider-verse. Every page had me bouncing about on my seat
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- Loved that Peter (616) finally got some due (the most important Spider in the Multiverse). He's been kicked around so much, the last time I can even recall him getting a shining moment was AvX.
- Sad to see Bullet Points Spider-man didn't get more panel time if for any reason that I like the variation.
- Noticed a Watchmen " Rorschach " Spider-man, a Grifter (Wildcats) one and a Tarzan one in the Web Of Life and Destiny fold-out. Lol, awesome!
I on the other hand, thought it was mostly terrible, aside from Oliver Coipel's art, which was pretty great for the most part. I don't think I really spoken on the subject here but I'm grown quite tired with the current run of Spidey as late, to the point that nowadays I'm just picking up the book for a friend who still likes it and I read his copies. I could write paragraphs about this and the last few years of Spidey, but I'll just do a tl:dr version and say: The whole thing reads like a really inept fanfic, and with the heavy abuse of the C-List Cannon Fodder trope, I'm finding it hard to figure out why I should care.
[EDIT] Also since it hasn't come up here and I've really been meaning to vent about it to some capacity, that Spider-Girl backup last issue really was, IMO, atrocious and a spit in the face of the character's 8 year run. Even SG writer Tom Defalco has publicly said the characters deserve better (though, to be fair, in the form of a "polite version" that quite probably hints at a cosmic reset button at the end of the arc. Not that that excuses poor writing, of course).
[EDIT] Also, in the interest of sprinkling in some positives, I might as well say, since this is probably the only time I've ever find myself saying this, I actually kinda like Spider-Ham in this. I should also mention that I found the humble-but solid "Spider-Verse Team-Up" book out this same week far superior to the main book.
I though ASM was awesome, not so much for the story but see all the different Spideys...
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When did Bruce Banner become Spider-man? And it was great seeing Mayday again. I just finish reading the whole Spider-Girl series, and I'm glad to see her again.
As I said before in an earlier post, you guys should be reading the new series, it's pretty good. Nothing too complicated, but the storyline is very good.
Quote from: JeyNyce on November 06, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
I though ASM was awesome, not so much for the story but see all the different Spideys...
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When did Bruce Banner become Spider-man? And it was great seeing Mayday again. I just finish reading the whole Spider-Girl series, and I'm glad to see her again.
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That happened in Bullet Points, an AU series where the Nazy spy who shot Professor Erskine instead shot him 24 hours earlier on a plane, which not only killed Erskine, but a young Uncle Ben in the process. As a result, Steve Rogers never got the Super Soldier Serum, and Peter never had an uncle telling him all about great power&responsibility, and that's just the start of it. One bullet is all it takes to turn the entire Marvel Universe on it's head, including Steve Rogers becoming Iron Man, Reed Richards becoming the director of Shield, Peter Parker becoming the Hulk and, yes, Bruce Banner becoming Spiderman.
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Looks like MARVEL dropped a big easter egg with their teaser for the upcoming SECRET WARS event in 2015..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FQRDW3IaZ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FQRDW3IaZ4)
As I figured it's apparent that some "big entity" (*cough*Beyonder*cough*) is going to try to fix the time/alternate reality problems by creating this BATTLEWORLD to save the alternate realities while saving the Prime reality.
But how many of you are going to pause the comic covers to see which realities are being forged into BATTLEWORLD. I totally noticed that X-MEN '92 isn't just an extended season of the cartoon but one of the realities that might be merged into the prime reality. Please discuss which reality are you most excited about seeing in the teaser.
- CQ
Quote from: crimsonquill on November 07, 2014, 08:17:16 AM
Looks like MARVEL dropped a big easter egg with their teaser for the upcoming SECRET WARS event in 2015..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FQRDW3IaZ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FQRDW3IaZ4)
As I figured it's apparent that some "big entity" (*cough*Beyonder*cough*) is going to try to fix the time/alternate reality problems by creating this BATTLEWORLD to save the alternate realities while saving the Prime reality.
But how many of you are going to pause the comic covers to see which realities are being forged into BATTLEWORLD. I totally noticed that X-MEN '92 isn't just an extended season of the cartoon but one of the realities that might be merged into the prime reality. Please discuss which reality are you most excited about seeing in the teaser.
- CQ
The one where Peter is still married to Mary Jane. That was the reason why I stopped collecting comics for a while, when I heard Marvel was going to break them up.
If they're going to have Alternate Universes beat the crap out of each other, then they might as well include Squadron Supreme, MC2, Marvel 2099, Marvel 1602, and Killraven. If you're doing to do a multiversal brawl, you should at least get the classics in there first. ;)
Isn't Marvel 2099 just Marvel 616's future, or did Marvel change that too?
Quote from: JeyNyce on November 07, 2014, 09:17:43 PM
Isn't Marvel 2099 just Marvel 616's future, or did Marvel change that too?
Yup, they did. As of recently, Spiderman 2099 just traveled from the future and accidentally created Alchemist in the present, thus rendering his own time an alternate future, as Alchemist isn't supposed to exist until several decades from now.
No and yes. It's a potential alternate future, much as their are potential alternate presents and pasts. There are other potential alternate futures that branch off from the alpha timeline tree. So technically they are all and aren't all the future to come. However the past is the the same past to the alternate futures. Unless of course that changes then it becomes the alternate futures true past whereas the current 616 canon becomes it's alternate past.
Take Timestorm as an example. Not to long ago a deviation in the past caused the 2099 alternate future as anyone originally read it to cease to exist (technically, hold that thought). A new 2099 took it's place, designated Earth 2099-2099. This new 2099 has different versions of the 2099 characters we knew or different characters all together. For example Miguel was now a youth much more akin to the Ultimates design. That change was never undone however just because it had happened didn't dismiss the previous 2099 as a potential alternate future nor the fact that it had existed and therefore did in some time and space. Hence the Miguel we knew was able to travel back from his experienced present future to his known past and Superior vice-vera. Added to that mix is a 2099 Spider-man from Exiles, whom we read about in Exiles naturally and saw recently in the Spider-man 2099's cross-over. His potential version of the future continues to exist as well as a branch. None however are slated to be the true future until the day one of them actually becomes the present.
Phew.
* Edit: @Silver_Shocker: Sorry this is late. That's a respectable position I think. Slott Spider-man in my view is a take it or leave it kind of series and mainly the leave it end tends to fall on readers who have read the series/character exploits for a duration. Like much of the dissonance with BND current Spider-man stories tend to really mix things up and radically change the base story elements which naturally does not appeal to all long time readers. For myself it mostly rules out. Not in every comic but when it comes to Spider-man I just like seeing his antics. Keeping things streamlined yet traditional doesn't really factor in for me with Peter as it does normally for other characters. Kind of like Deadpool. There's a few factions of fans there that tend to head butt over which version of the character Deadpool is currently behaving like. I didn't feel any end of the spectrum myself as I don't feel it's relevant enough to said character. Spider-man more so is a lot like the Ninja Turtles for me though where I came to know the character initially through mixed media forms so I'm able to enjoy him now in a more universal way and regardless of whether continuity is minded or not. Spider-girl is non for me as well because I really didn't get into MC2 (like the character but didn't care either way) and at best the presence of her character was a bit of a tick because it kept a blot on Spider-man's history (at the time) in the form of Peter and MJ's daughter in then present continuity.
Speaking of that my negatives here:
1.) Continuity is not minded: I'm taking that from the get with a big grain salt though. The big selling point was " every Spider-man ever " of course for the arc here. I laughed even when I first read that because let's face facts, while one can say they're going to write every character ever they're not going to be able to actually do it and the result is going to be that characters are more just " accounted for ". Additionally those other Spider-peeps aren't going to get their histories and stories focused on properly because not only would that be a ridiculous task to manage but more the actual character whose series it is needs to be minded first and above all else in this case Peter of 616 of course. So noting most of the Spider-people we've see now, they just show their face, do exactly nothing significant to either their own stories or even 616 for that matter and then either die or hang out as back drop. I just don't see it being written any other way than keeping the focus on the currently written character and the ones that have new series slated. So effectively there's no real disappointment for me here as I see the story being told as it should be.
2.) Slott can't write Peter Parker or at least he's hesitant to do it for whatever reason. A generally statement about his run and not as much this event, and yes I just made a poop but I see it enough that it stings my experience with his run. Slott seems to either 1.) Try and write any other character but Peter Parker and at the same time try and push Peter into the backdrop where he doesn't belong, sort of like writing a Spider-man "World " or " Tales Of " book rather than the traditional mold 2.) Up and write a different Spider all together, this event of course widening that gulf and/or 3.) Write Peter but not as Peter but instead a character that resembles him. I don't know what the deal is here but the result is the major component that ends up lacking is the inspirational side of Peter being the life's lessons he learns and the ones he in turn teaches. He instead is sort of just there wearing a shirt that says " Hey I'm that guy " rather than being the character in the 3d dimensional sense. Granted Slott does hit the character mark but it seems rarely and that isn't really agreeable when it's a character driven story, at least it isn't for me.
Has anybody read Thor #2 yet? It gave big clues as to who is the new Thor. Comic view has an article about it:
Be warned, it contain spoilers!
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/five-developments-from-thor-2/1100-150385/
Great week for comics, Axis, Superior Iron Man, Spider-verse, All New Captain America and Captain America and the Mighty Avengers. Next week is going to big too, Spider woman #1 will be coming out!
Honestly, from what I've heard of Superior Ironman, it raises Tony's level of dick-ish-ness to heights not seen since Civil War. Considering what that did to Tony's reputation for the next few years afterward, (such as those various pictures of Tony photoshopped with a Hitler mustache...) I can't say I'm really new keen on this new 'Superior' take on Tony...
I read somewhere that they wanted Superior Tony to be like RDJ in the movie, but after reading the first issue, I think RDJ would say that this guy is a total D-bag. For some strange reason I like Tony like this because when we gets his dues, you'll know that he deserves it.
I have the Iron Man issue sitting there, need to get on that. Read Spider-verse #1. My only complaint could be there stories are either too short or too crammed together so they play out that way. I'd would liked a little more time with Manga Spider-man as well the new Steampunk Spider-girl though I'm certain with the latter I'll have it given Marvel's recent female Spider character push. Read Axis #5. I haven't been too enthusiastic with this book so far but this was a decent issue with some substance to it. The writers take on Spider-man was very entertaining as well. Getting Cap and the Mighty Avengers and Spider-woman, unsettled on Cap. I'm interested in Sam (though it seems like they made him Cap only to make him into a humongous jerknob?) but I dropped the series when it was Steve only three issues deep so I'm apprehensive as well.
I think Sam would have been a great Captain America if it wasn't for the whole Axis storyline. Expect Cage to start acting like a jerk too in the Mighty Avengers.
Quote from: JeyNyce on November 16, 2014, 01:33:37 PM
Expect Cage to start acting like a jerk too in the Mighty Avengers.
Start? Lol, Marvel's had him acting like sandpaper sauce since Thunderbolts. Totally agreed on Sam. A lot of potential there sideswiped by event editorial. I see him in the Secret War promo so hopefully we'll see some fleshing out after Axis. The Hobgoblin series is my take home treat of the event so far.
The solo All New Captain America book is either ignoring Axis or set after it; Sam is not acting like a jerk there.
That's pleasing to here Talavar. I have that one and the new MA book sitting in the hold box. Note that I didn't care particularly how he was acting in Axis since he's supposed to given the inversion and everything, just that they got him into the costume and did that automatically without given him a run first. It would have been nicer if they would have timed it and had him step into the role a couple months earlier so we could some quality Sam in Avengers time.
Regarding New Avengers and Hickmans overall Incursions/Time Run's Out opus. Now this is just a suspicion but I'm starting to believe that Black Swan is...
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Val Richards.
Interesting theory! What are your thoughts on that storyline so far?
I was really drawn to Hickman's F4/FF run from the starting gun. Maybe because he adds so much dimension and detail to his writing or because the run prior was very flat. Regardless I followed him to Avengers and am equally as happy with that again especially the layers of foundation he applies. NA is my favorite of the mix. I like damaged characters and moral conflict and that book has it in spades. As for the story it's an extension of the story he started with (in Avengers and more and more it seems F4 as well) so I'm enjoying it. At worst if it's not impressive (usually there's at least a moment or two) it's at least firm storytelling so I can say none of the titles have been opted for the drop list yet.
I also picked the Sam stuff and read it last night. Definitely a different version in his solo book. Even more contrasted in Mighty than he is in the actual AXIS series (more of jerk). I like all three of those books in their way but it's a little disorientating reading three almost distinct versions of the same character at the same time. I'm more in the main series for Magneto though anyways. I'm glad to see someone (Bunn) finally pull off the version of Magneto fans have long wanted. The solo series for him is also one I get a little excited to for the new issue. I thought the abrasive tone would turn me off but it's paced correctly (violence in place > violence for the thrill).
Some info about the Mighty Avengers
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57318
Feels pretty much like the same book (Mighty) as before except the infusion of the AXIS factor. Which is okay with me, that series has many characters who don't normally get panel time in other books and appeals to me. I could do without the Inversion thing though that's less about MA and more that the concept itself just doesn't appeal to me overall despite producing a few entertaining tie-ins. I'd be okay just reading the Mighty Avengers or much of anything else operating as they were previously: superpower people doing the job of saving lives and dealing with their personal problems in the meantime. But I suppose events and themes sell books so it evens out. And really if your giving me She-Hulk, Blue Marvel, White Tiger and Monica you would have to take the series down a really bad path to actually turn me away from it.
So just wanted to say I've liked pt 2 and 3 of Spider-Verse more than part 1 for reasons I've already forgotten, but there's one specific scenario I wanted to bring up:
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In a brief sequence in Amazing, setting up issue two of Spider-Verse team up, Mile Morales, and the cartoon version of Ultimate Spider-Man go to the world of the 60's Spider-Man cartoon. While I don't have the memetic fondness for that show that others on the internet have, I found this bit very cute, and especially got a kick out of the comic making fun of the cartoon Ultimate Spidey. The bit mocking the recycled backgrounds and building design for the Bugle in the 60's cartoon was full of win.
In other news, this weeks issue of Avengers World (#16) reveals:
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Doctor Doom uses magic to bring Cassie Lang/Stature back to life! It was mentioned in a recent interview by Nick Spencer that Cassie would be in the new Ant-Man ongoing, which I'm looking forward to picking up, but I wasn't sure if it was the 616 Cassie, or a different one brought about by time travel, or alternate universes (since the current Avengers stories have been doing stuff with alt worlds). Doom says something about "erasing the pain he caused" which has me thinking that the memory of Cassie dying might be erased. She seems surprised to see her dad at the end of the comic though. I'm very curious to see if Cassie will still be a superhero, but I'm personally not expecting it.
Also, this week's Axis:
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According to the Scarlet Witch, her and Quicsilver are not the biological kids of Magneto. I'm sure this is part of Marvel's long running attempt to screw over Fox with the X-Men movies, and there's a teaser image for the relaunched Uncanny Avengers with the tagline "Mutants No More" showing Wanda and Pietro. This no doubt causes an absurd number of plot holes and continuity errors, but this point in the game I'm like, whatever.
Definitely was thinking that AXIS...
Spoiler
inwrite had something to do with films, though more my first was that they may be aligning comic continuity so that the films no longer seems out of place. Whereas those two are to be in Avengers 2 but that studio doesn't have the rights to entities in the X-Universe or lest they pay a likely silly price to the other retain it. Now when anyone watches Avengers 2 and says " Wait, aren't those two supposed to be Magneto's children? This movie blew it! " Marvel or whoever can say " Wrong. Aren't you reading the comics? ". Meh, whatevs then.
Not that it's a big deal but I picked up the Avengers Now! Handbook, the first OHTMU entry Marvel put out in sometime, and have to give it a thumbs down. The selling point in the ad and center character on the cover is the new Thor. Naturally since nothing much has been revealed the bio entry is pretty much empty telling us only that the character is female and has the powers of Thor and comes out as a stub in the very back of the book. Just saying Marvel if you can't reveal anything about the character then we don't need a bio telling us that and certainly not a book using them as the selling point. That's contrary to the function of a bio. Next time slow your row and make a synopsis when there's something to actually write about. There are a few other entries for anyone wondering, most of which are footnotes to previous entries though or summaries of story arcs but I would suggest any serious collectors of these actually pass on this one. Also they misspelled Iron Man's header as " Ron Man " which is sort of funny.
* Just caught the news bit about Spider-woman's new costume. Lol, I kid you not I was just reading #2 and wondered to myself how long before creative decided to redesign her costume. Just can't keep their hands out of the cookie jar. The design doesn't look half bad though. I'm happy they gave an advance here as well before I released that nif so I can work it into the skins.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2014/12/18/spider-woman-new-costume-exclusive/20574271/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2014/12/18/spider-woman-new-costume-exclusive/20574271/)
Quote from: SickAlice on December 18, 2014, 05:30:29 PM
* Just caught the news bit about Spider-woman's new costume. Lol, I kid you not I was just reading #2 and wondered to myself how long before creative decided to redesign her costume. Just can't keep their hands out of the cookie jar. The design doesn't look half bad though. I'm happy they gave an advance here as well before I released that nif so I can work it into the skins.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2014/12/18/spider-woman-new-costume-exclusive/20574271/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2014/12/18/spider-woman-new-costume-exclusive/20574271/)
I actually quite dislike Spider-Woman's regular costume, it's probably been a big factor in my never developing any interest in the character (should run it in the character polls one day). This new one is an improvement for me I think, though I'm not yet sure how much. Really reminds of Batgirl's new look though.
Quote from: Podmark on December 19, 2014, 01:11:24 AM
I actually quite dislike Spider-Woman's regular costume, it's probably been a big factor in my never developing any interest in the character (should run it in the character polls one day). This new one is an improvement for me I think, though I'm not yet sure how much. Really reminds of Batgirl's new look though.
I'm actually going to have to disagree with you here Pod. I've always really liked Spider Woman's classic suit. Not really liking the newer design though. I think it would be alright for a newer version of the Character, maybe a younger version. But for such an established Character, the original design is much more suitable.
Quote from: Cyber Burn on December 19, 2014, 01:56:31 AM
Quote from: Podmark on December 19, 2014, 01:11:24 AM
I actually quite dislike Spider-Woman's regular costume, it's probably been a big factor in my never developing any interest in the character (should run it in the character polls one day). This new one is an improvement for me I think, though I'm not yet sure how much. Really reminds of Batgirl's new look though.
I'm actually going to have to disagree with you here Pod. I've always really liked Spider Woman's classic suit. Not really liking the newer design though. I think it would be alright for a newer version of the Character, maybe a younger version. But for such an established Character, the original design is much more suitable.
Agree with you CB. It seems they are tyring to make comicsverse and movieverse work together. I feel like it takes away some of the magic of these characters if they are wearing branded streetwear. That being said Kris Anka's rendering of the costume is far superior than some of this other art.
Just a guess but I wondered if the costume redesign for Jess is partly due to the outrage on this series that the covers were examples of misogyny. It would be hard to for an artist to depict her in a reserved manner as the original design is intended to show off her curves. That and to distance the series as it's own story from the Spider-verse cross-over, which would end prior to the new costume unveiling. And probably " Now!" branding even. The gamers should be happy though. The ones at the Playdom hub at least have been asking for an alternate costume for Jess for awhile and like Tigra she has a lack of canon ones. I'm with CB as well. My first thought was that it looked like what a costume would like for an aged Ultimates Spider-woman (Black Widow now) as opposed to something that really screamed Jessica.
The Marvel Universe is dead!
Long live the Marvel Universe
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=58625
It's crisis all over again
http://marvel.com/comics/events/323/secret_wars_2015
Battleworld is just a huge nod towards the original Secret Wars Beyonder's Battle Planet with the goal of every chunk of alternate worlds or timelines getting to claim it's stake in the new Prime Marvel Reality.
Honestly, I think it's a great idea because you end up with some awesome VS stories that probably only existed in fan fiction or nerd debates and hopefully the results end up with a new complete Marvel Universe that isn't a mess and merges in some long forgotten characters and storylines that should have not been messed with in the first place.
I keep saying this whole event is like every Freedom Force mod dream made possible for a Marvel fan who wanted every version of (insert a character name here) to battle it out for the sole survivor to become THE Prime version.
- CQ
I'm yakking it on the other side the link but briefly here - it's not like most of the current NOW! stable is close to what diehards would consider the proper version of the character anyways to feel that Marvel would be flipping on tradition? Like them or love them these (NOW!) aren't the characters as you grew to knew them right now by a long shot.
In other news, boy is this really going to increase everyone's to do list here or what? Come on Marvel and DC as well, pace the switch-ups a little would ya? How do expect anyone to skin all this stuff? :P
So Marvel's finally bit the bullet and committed to a reboot. I'm surprised it's taken them this long, honestly, but don't really feel this is a good idea. First, nothing should be combined with the Ultimate universe. Miles Morales should flee it in some sort of Kryptonian-esque escape vessel while the rest is quietly erased - its riddled with infectious Loeb poisoning. Also, have they learned nothing from watching DC flail from reboot to reboot for the last 20 years?
I don't know, from the bits I've read so far I'm not convinced they're really doing a reboot. I think we may be looking at something similar to Age of Apocalypse but on a bigger scale with more things carrying forward. But right now I think the history will be kept intact. Might amend that statement once I read more though.
Quote from: Podmark on January 22, 2015, 06:03:10 AM
I don't know, from the bits I've read so far I'm not convinced they're really doing a reboot. I think we may be looking at something similar to Age of Apocalypse but on a bigger scale with more things carrying forward. But right now I think the history will be kept intact. Might amend that statement once I read more though.
As some history was intact after Crisis on Infinite Earths. Or Flashpoint. To me, this seems like another attempt to do a "have your cake & eat it too" reboot. Some history will be preserved, some streamlined, and some ugly bits swept under rugs. I'm okay with all that; the problem arises when readers and writers are still trying to figure out what's canon in the aftermath.
I don't know if you want to call it a reboot, but from what I'm reading, it's going to be multiple universes living on one big planet. It will start in May and will be like that for the next 8 months. It should be interesting to see how they interact with each other.
Only blinking my eyes at the news right now since speculation is about it past the structure of the story.
Partly put out because I don't want to let myself get invested in current stories if they're going to be put hold at best in a bit. Which could be said for any event.
The way Marvel puts out events and books temporarily sideline I feel like I'm in car that drives and *YANK* (head flies into dash and back against seat) and driving aaaaaaaaannnnnnnd *YANK* (half digested pancake swishes about in stomach) and driving aaaaaaaaaannnnd * YANK* (Picking up Spider-verse chapter 1) and...
I really wouldn't mind if they just let most of the stories go for a long while and cultivate themselves. I know events and themes sell more overall units, but I still wouldn't mind a break. I can't actually remember the last year when there wasn't fragmented event years. Before Onslaught? Was it then or even farther back?
I'm really confused by this whole thing. Why in the world would they think that mixing the Ultimate and the 616 Universes together would be a good idea? Does anyone even care about the Ultimates anymore? Why would they think it was a good idea to take all of the recognition they've garnered from their movies, movies based on the 616 comics, and mix in a bunch of other stuff? Ahh well, I suppose it isn't like the comics are recognizable or accessible to anyone but the same old aging group of fanboys anyway.
If they want to reset their universe and undo stupid things like the nullification of Peter Parker's marriage, it seems like there would be a cleaner way to go about it.
Quote from: BentonGrey on January 24, 2015, 05:04:18 AM
I'm really confused by this whole thing. Why in the world would they think that mixing the Ultimate and the 616 Universes together would be a good idea? Does anyone even care about the Ultimates anymore?
Two words: Miles Morales.
Granted I agree there's far cleaner ways to do that...but I'm still not convinced we really know what they're doing. Battle World is one thing, but what comes after?
Also the movies take a fair bit of inspiration from the Ultimate Comics (Nick Fury, Tony Stark, and Falcon being notable examples). Though the current Ultimate Universe bears little resemblance to any of that.
Quote from: Podmark on January 24, 2015, 05:15:51 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on January 24, 2015, 05:04:18 AM
I'm really confused by this whole thing. Why in the world would they think that mixing the Ultimate and the 616 Universes together would be a good idea? Does anyone even care about the Ultimates anymore?
Two words: Miles Morales.
Arguably the strongest combination of two words in the history of man kind.
Been on Facebook way too long, I'm looking for the like button. :doh:
QuoteI'm really confused by this whole thing. Why in the world would they think that mixing the Ultimate and the 616 Universes together would be a good idea?
I guess the people who work on the Marvel Cinematic Universe series thought it was a good idea, since that's what Marvel movies basically are ... a mix of the best elements of the classic 616 stories and the modern Ultimate stories and character designs. Which is why the two lines are being amalgamated now. Because movies, which make a ton of cash, are dictating what the comics can do.
Some people (like my LCS) feels that they are doing this to make their comics streamline with the movie
I've opted the route of reserving all judgements on it sans the small bit they've even promoted. I'm seeing way to huge of an explosion of assumption regarding the event to the point it's assumed a head canon version of the series from start to finish and people getting really worked up about it. Boycotting Marvel and what not. It isn't even published yet. It's fun to imagine and wonder but it shouldn't go past that either, at least I know I don't want that for me.
Are there really that many Ultimate elements, though? You've got the Ultimate look for Fury, though he's not necessarily all that much like the character, and you've got...what else? Falcon and Tony are like their Ultimate counterparts? As y'all might imagine, I don't know much about the Ultimates, other than the general, outrageous stuff that makes headlines. I will say that recasting Falcon's origins to him being a soldier is almost certainly a good thing, considering the really awful mess his 616 origins were/are.
Miles Morales is popular?
Yes, Miles is very popular. He's more popular than Ultimate Peter Parker
Quote from: BentonGrey on January 27, 2015, 02:00:53 AM
Are there really that many Ultimate elements, though? You've got the Ultimate look for Fury, though he's not necessarily all that much like the character, and you've got...what else? Falcon and Tony are like their Ultimate counterparts? As y'all might imagine, I don't know much about the Ultimates, other than the general, outrageous stuff that makes headlines. I will say that recasting Falcon's origins to him being a soldier is almost certainly a good thing, considering the really awful mess his 616 origins were/are.
Miles Morales is popular?
Tony Stark is
not like Ultimate Tony Stark in any but a very superficial way. The influence of the Ultimate line is actually quite limited, in my opinion. Maybe Captain America's power level - MCU Cap seems stronger with some of his feats than even the "peak-human" of 616 Cap would be able to do. Hawkeye & Falcon's origins I suppose (in that Hawkeye doesn't really have one, and is just a Shield agent with good aim). Hulk and Thor certainly aren't.
Quote from: BentonGrey on January 27, 2015, 02:00:53 AM
Are there really that many Ultimate elements, though? You've got the Ultimate look for Fury, though he's not necessarily all that much like the character, and you've got...what else? Falcon and Tony are like their Ultimate counterparts? As y'all might imagine, I don't know much about the Ultimates, other than the general, outrageous stuff that makes headlines. I will say that recasting Falcon's origins to him being a soldier is almost certainly a good thing, considering the really awful mess his 616 origins were/are.
There's a number of things and I'll list some in second, nothing gigantic but stuff that is smart and useful. It's largely just from Miller and Hitch's two Ultimates runs, and yes there's the outrageous headline elements to those runs, but beyond that the run was designed to be like a movie so the ways that it modernized the characters and pulled them together was, at least in my opinion, pretty good. I'm pretty sure I've read comments from the MCU creators citing inspiration from those comics.
MCU elements inspired from Ultimate Comics:
-Tony's personality
-Nick Fury's complete character
-SHIELD bringing together the Avengers
-Black Widow and Hawkeye as SHIELD agents, and their visual designs
-The Avengers line up (minus Giant-Man and Wasp)
-Falcon as military (technically he was SHIELD) and visual design
-Elements of Cap's costumes
-The Chitauri name for the aliens
-An alien invasion as the first big battle for the Avengers
-The Triskelian as SHIELD headquarters
Probably some others I can't think of right now.
Now bringing things back to Secret Wars and merging universes, other than Miles and maybe Jessica Drew, and maybe the legit Jackson Fury, I can't think of much that Marvel and fans would
really want to bring in. Especially in the Ultimate Comics current form. Most stuff would be incompatible or could just be done with existing 616 characters.
Quote from: Talavar on January 27, 2015, 05:02:48 AM
Tony Stark is not like Ultimate Tony Stark in any but a very superficial way. The influence of the Ultimate line is actually quite limited, in my opinion. Maybe Captain America's power level - MCU Cap seems stronger with some of his feats than even the "peak-human" of 616 Cap would be able to do. Hawkeye & Falcon's origins I suppose (in that Hawkeye doesn't really have one, and is just a Shield agent with good aim). Hulk and Thor certainly aren't.
Yeah Cap's powers as well.
I disagree about Tony. The flippant attitude that he has in the films is very similar to the one he had in The Ultimates, and I really don't remember Tony acting like that prior to the Ultimates. I'm not saying he's the same character, I'm saying that I see a direct inspiration.
" Many ". As far as I see adding up opinion across the board not really. I considered though that might not be as much a factor. Part of it may rely on their creators wanting to keep the characters and keep working with them as well, as opposed to leaving them on island so to speak that will inevitable sink. So for example Bendis may enjoy some of those characters and be proud of them and not want to eventually lose the time he put into them. Most alt Universe characters tend to go on the shelf once their battery expires only to be pulled out for an anniversary of their of the original event. Nothing has been said to make such a thing factual, however I think it's a reasonable enough motive and in contrast to much of the Ultimate Universe while being popular in it's way not being substantial nor cared about in the way 616 canon is not supporting that this is what the fans/readers want by large.
I'm surprise nobody thought about this. What's going to happen to the regular people in Battle World? Is Battle World just for the heroes or what?
Sure they have. The Internets been batting that back and forth nonstop. Any single thing about SW which says in the least they got the hype they were seeking. The fact is though that hasn't been revealed yet. My presumption is that since it's chunks of realities, not just characters, making up the Earth each chunk would have the types of things in it that it would in it's respective fiction or lack thereof. Again just a guess though since there's nothing to go on at this point.
I thought this was clever, and from what y'all said, apparently apt:
http://textsfromsuperheroes.com/image/109162409992
Quote from: BentonGrey on January 30, 2015, 06:17:01 AM
I thought this was clever, and from what y'all said, apparently apt:
http://textsfromsuperheroes.com/image/109162409992
:lol:
Yeah that's pretty much true!
A few funny stuff I noted just now in Thunderbolts: Charcoal refers to his transformation as Clark Kent routine at one point,in the same issue a kid at school has a shirt with Batmans logo.Much later Counter-Earth/Bucky calles Redeemers "Teen Titans".Why so many DC allusions? :)
A-Force, Like X-Force. Do Marvel know how dirty that sounds, A-Force? I hope they change it later on
http://io9.com/marvel-is-creating-the-first-ever-all-female-avengers-t-1684215923?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Has Marvel stated whether A-Force is ongoing or mini? (I guess as it's a Secret Wars title they're being intentionally vague).
I was thinking recently about how Marvel has recently launched a number of new or upcoming ongoings (Ant-Man, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Howard the Duck, Guardians Team-Up). Secret Wars hits in May I believe and runs until September I think. That's a minimum of 7 or a maximum of 16 issues depending on double shipping and half of those should occur during Battle World. That seems low for a new ongoing and fuels my belief that Marvel is not doing a reboot.
BTW Ant-Man is great. If you read Superior Foes you'll love it.
On another note a couple weeks ago Agent Venom got a new costume:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=58617
I'm really mixed on this. See I like the new design (but I suspect only some artists will draw it well) but it shifts Flash back to the big brawler Brock style Venom (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/15659/3434281-venom-separation_anxiety%233-forcing_itself_onto_a_bad_host.jpg), and I prefer Flash as the gun toting soldier Venom (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/11136/3505610-5915871951-tumbl.jpg) - it helps set him apart. The good news was that was the first issue that Flash actually felt like part of the Guardians book, instead of just showing up.
Also I didn't like the previous new costume he had for Guardians (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111173891/3928005-agent+venom+%28guardians+of+the+galaxy%29.jpg), so this is an improvement for me.
Lastly Brian Bendis announced he's leaving the X-Books just before Secret Wars. I've mostly enjoyed his run on the books though the current arcs have been really slow. He's done some cool stuff with the characters, introduced some interesting new characters, and really made me enjoy the time displaced original X-Men (I actually hope they stick around). I just hope he has a strong finale coming. I'd like to see something definitive about Cyclops' character.
Curious who will be the next X-Men writer. Remender would be good.
I wouldn't be shocked to see Bendis on Fantastic Four or Spider-Man next.
Hickman is also ending his Avengers run prior to Secret Wars, and supposedly stepping away from Marvel for a while afterwards. I'm expecting Jason Aaron to take over Avengers post Secret Wars.
Huge week in comic news all around indeed. I don't know where to even sit on anything right now. To busy examine my future pull lists. On Flash Thompson though:
Venom's Klyntar form I think is more just branding for GOTG, in other words his GOTG look. Most characters are revisited, streamlined, and conformed to the group around them eventually at some point in a team book. Take Uncanny Avengers Vol.2 for example. I liked the old costume but now looking at the new realize that it did stick out like a sore thumb in contrast to the rest of the Guardians NOW! costumes.
I've seen a bit of contention if not outrage more towards the inwrite on the symbiote races origin more, especially in light of them being painted as a universal peace keeping corps rather than malicious entities. Personally I didn't take the races previous origins very seriously so this didn't phase me either way.
I like the new design of Agent Venom costume, but like Pod, I don't like the bulkiness.
Ant-Man is a funny comic and a good read. It seems like because of the style of the recent Hawkeye comic, Marvel will be that style with some of their heroes. She-Hulk was concentrating on her practice as a lawyer and now Ant-Man will start his own business while being a father.
About the Fantastic Four.....It may be a while before we see them again: http://collider.com/marvel-fights-fox-cancels-fantastic-four/
I think we'll see the FF as soon as the movie comes and goes. So I'd guess this will probably be in Marvel's all new Marvel now in the fall or early next year.
I don't see Marvel doing a straight on reboot with Secret wars-to me its just a way to play with the continuity and keep what you like and get rid of what you don't. More of a soft reboot
if you will.
I'm just curious how many of the alternate characters and their histories make it into the main universe.
I'd love to see them bring back the Spider-marriage with this. I'm not sure if it will happen though.
along with Miles, I'd love to see Sue from the ultimate universe make it to the main one as well. She was the best character from the ultimate FF.
jeff
I currently think the opinions of the Fantastic Four and Marvel's relationship with the comic book versions of the characters is a bunch of speculation and nonsense. Thor as in the Odinson is also removed from his station in contrast to this and clearly is not being produced by the same movie house as F4. Also Peter Parker was removed from his. At the time the same idea's that it had to do with the movie series were in play and really it was that it served the story and to try something new in the comics. The only influence the film did have on the Spider-man book was that the powers that be reverted Spider-man to Parker again to line up with the release of ASM 2, in other words they supported thew studios en-devour in the comic. So the evidence thus far stacks against this idea and I tend to stick to what's shown rather than what's imagined myself.
Secondly Marvel is a publisher. They want to sell books and the title is irrelevant to that. Third as had been pointed to before them changing the comic book does not affect the movie audience as the majority of the film goers worldwide do not read comic books, it only works the other way around being that new readers come into the fold after being introduced to the characters by the film experience. Lastly is that Hickman as much as said early on that this happening for the reason of story, specifically Time Run's Out and Secret Wars, being that the F4 will be present but divided as has been shown in the comics already and we'll see them presented differently during the event. None of this equals " Marvel is trying to stick it to the movie house by fudging up their own profit margin with the books " and really there's no logic behind the base assumption.
Well put, Alice.
More new about Secret Wars....well, kinda...
http://comicbook.com/2015/02/17/marvel-launches-infinity-gauntlet-during-secret-wars/#Image6
http://marvel.com/cards/60/all-new_all-different_avengers_assemble (http://marvel.com/cards/60/all-new_all-different_avengers_assemble)
All new politicaly correct Avengers.Im gonna cry a bit now.. :(
Your thoughts?
Quote from: Spade on March 27, 2015, 05:36:35 AM
http://marvel.com/cards/60/all-new_all-different_avengers_assemble (http://marvel.com/cards/60/all-new_all-different_avengers_assemble)
All new politicaly correct Avengers.Im gonna cry a bit now.. :(
Your thoughts?
There are going to be like 10 Avengers titles. Don't like it, read another one.
Also how exactly is this team politically correct? Because it has three minorities? :huh:
Quote from: AfghanAnt on March 27, 2015, 05:56:24 AM
Quote from: Spade on March 27, 2015, 05:36:35 AM
http://marvel.com/cards/60/all-new_all-different_avengers_assemble (http://marvel.com/cards/60/all-new_all-different_avengers_assemble)
All new politicaly correct Avengers.Im gonna cry a bit now.. :(
Your thoughts?
There are going to be like 10 Avengers titles. Don't like it, read another one.
Also how exactly is this team politically correct? Because it has three minorities? :huh:
Cuz everyone is a minority.Not that I have something against that,I just think they went too far.And if Tony is brainwashing San Francisko now,who is Iron Man here?
QuoteAll new politicaly correct Avengers.Im gonna cry a bit now.. :(
Your thoughts?
Er, why would that make you sad?
Those are some awesome characters whose individual books are great at the moment, particularly Ms Marvel, Thor and Miles Morales.
QuoteCuz everyone is a minority.Not that I have something against that,I just think they went too far.
Maybe just focus on the robot and the blonde haired white woman. As AA mentioned, there are plenty of Avengers books if you want to read about an ethnic mix that won't make you tear up.
Read Superior Iron Man and then you'll know who this Iron Man is. Marvel is really pushing the Avengers, Huh? You make one good movie.......LOL!
Quote from: JeyNyce on March 27, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
Read Superior Iron Man and then you'll know who this Iron Man is. Marvel is really pushing the Avengers, Huh? You make one good movie.......LOL!
Did.
Quote from: Starman on March 27, 2015, 01:09:15 PM
QuoteAll new politicaly correct Avengers.Im gonna cry a bit now.. :(
Your thoughts?
Er, why would that make you sad?
Those are some awesome characters whose individual books are great at the moment, particularly Ms Marvel, Thor and Miles Morales.
QuoteCuz everyone is a minority.Not that I have something against that,I just think they went too far.
Maybe just focus on the robot and the blonde haired white woman. As AA mentioned, there are plenty of Avengers books if you want to read about an ethnic mix that won't make you tear up.
Again,I dont have a problem with "ethnical mix",I have a problem with CHANGING the characters.Basicly this is just trying to boost sales in every group imaginable.
If they wanted to have a hero of X background,just make a new one.Dont change the old ones to fit the mold.
I'm a big Miles fan so definitely gonna check this out. Hoping that characters like Ganke stick around after Secret Wars as well.
Waid on writing duties is also a definite plus.
Quote from: Spade on March 27, 2015, 01:53:37 PM
Again,I dont have a problem with "ethnical mix",I have a problem with CHANGING the characters.Basicly this is just trying to boost sales in every group imaginable.
A for-profit trying to make a profit? Scandalous.
Quote from: Spade on March 27, 2015, 01:53:37 PM
If they wanted to have a hero of X background,just make a new one.Dont change the old ones to fit the mold.
They did. Miles Morales and Ms. Marvel are the brand new characters they made. Peter Parker is still Spider-Man. Carol Danvers is still Captain Marvel. The sky is not falling.
QuoteMaybe just focus on the robot and the blonde haired white woman. As AA mentioned, there are plenty of Avengers books if you want to read about an ethnic mix that won't make you tear up.
lol
Quote from: murs47 on March 27, 2015, 07:23:43 PM
Quote from: Spade on March 27, 2015, 01:53:37 PM
If they wanted to have a hero of X background,just make a new one.Dont change the old ones to fit the mold.
They did. Miles Morales and Ms. Marvel are the brand new characters they made. Peter Parker is still Spider-Man. Carol Danvers is still Captain Marvel. The sky is not falling.
Haha,
Well said.
Basically this eras New Avengers: All the big hype characters in one team.
^Whatever,forget I said anything.
This is just applying Ms Marvel formula on the whole team.
Out of everything in season 2014/15 I only liked Silk and Deathlok.I have somewhat mixed feelings about Thor.
QuoteThis is just applying Ms Marvel formula on the whole team
^Whatever,forget I said anything.
Fixed.
Quote from: Starman on March 28, 2015, 06:24:44 AM
QuoteThis is just applying Ms Marvel formula on the whole team
^Whatever,forget I said anything.
Fixed.
Dont be a jerk,dude.
Im not in any way obliged to like the same things as you.If I dont like this version of Avengers thats my thing,you can worship them as much as you like.
I literally did fix your post. You said "forget I said anything", then repeated the stuff you asked everyone to forget about! No need to call anyone jerks or say they worship this or that. You're obviously still upset about all that mind-blowing political correctness, but still...
:lol:
Quote from: Starman on March 28, 2015, 12:02:55 PM
I literally did fix your post. You said "forget I said anything", then repeated the stuff you asked everyone to forget about! No need to call anyone jerks or say they worship this or that. You're obviously still upset about all that mind-blowing political correctness, but still...
:lol:
I suppose you think that was terribly clever... :P
But in all seriousnes,thats not what I said,so I dont need you fixing anything.
And you OBVIOUSLY missed most of what I said.
Quote from: JeyNyce on March 27, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
Read Superior Iron Man and then you'll know who this Iron Man is. Marvel is really pushing the Avengers, Huh? You make one good movie.......LOL!
Does this mean that this Iron man is
Spoiler
Pepper?
As for this group of Avengers, I don't really have a problem with it. Although I prefer Steve Rogers to Captain falcon, and Classic Thor to current Thor(i refuse to call her She-Thor-that's unfair to her), I read both All new Cap and all new Thor. And I like Miles.Vison has always been a favorite of mine.
Plus, this has Mark waid on it, so I'll give it a fair shot, even though I'm a classic avengers guy. Given a chance, fans might actually like this book.
Trust me, there will be more Avengers books for classic fans. I'm sure there will be an Uncanny Avengers, or an Ultimates(since they are merging the Ultimate and the 616), so there will be
more Avengers books.
I'm sure. Avengers are too much of a cash cow right now.
jeff
Thor ongoing just isnt my thing.New Thor is a tottal Mary Sue.Everyone thinks shes great,villains surrender to her cuz they WANT to go to jail...its hilarious really...
I've read that if you include digital sales, the Khamala Khan Ms. Marvel outsells Uncanny X-Men by Bendis. If true (I personally believe it) this just proves one basic thing: All Marvel and DC have to do is be inclusive, and they get all the money. There's a reason they've been playing to the Tmblr crowd with some of their young heroes books these days.
I've also heard people say the new Ms Marvel is awesome. Again, I don't doubt it. But I read a preview of issue #1 and it wasn't for me. It happens. That being sad, I'm still looking forward to this new Avengers lineup and book and I do intend to read the FCBD book. I imagine I'll like it (though memo to Marvel: Mahmud Asrar is NOT God-Tier artist. Stop pretending he is.)
Quote from: Silver Shocker on April 07, 2015, 06:15:29 AM
I've read that if you include digital sales, the Khamala Khan Ms. Marvel outsells Uncanny X-Men by Bendis.
That's true but you wouldnt know it the way fanboy complain on the intratubes.
Quote from: Spade on March 29, 2015, 10:01:32 AM
Thor ongoing just isnt my thing.New Thor is a tottal Mary Sue.Everyone thinks shes great,villains surrender to her cuz they WANT to go to jail...its hilarious really...
Explain how the new Thor is a Mary Sue? No one ever called Eric Masterson a Mary Sue. Also give me your definition of a Mary Sue.
I gave up on Bendis long ago, but still buy Ms. Marvel and Silk.
I really dont see what Thunderstrike has to do with the ongoing Thor?
And I already said why I think new Thor is a Mary Sue.Everybody thinks shes awessome,Thor thinks shes better then him and villains surrender to her cuz they want to go to jail.
Quote from: Spade on March 28, 2015, 12:06:10 PM
Quote from: Starman on March 28, 2015, 12:02:55 PM
I literally did fix your post. You said "forget I said anything", then repeated the stuff you asked everyone to forget about! No need to call anyone jerks or say they worship this or that. You're obviously still upset about all that mind-blowing political correctness, but still...
:lol:
I suppose you think that was terribly clever... :P
But in all seriousnes,thats not what I said,so I dont need you fixing anything.
And you OBVIOUSLY missed most of what I said.
Nope, it's exactly what you said. Utilise your own terrible cleverness and go back and check your post.
Quote from: Spade on April 07, 2015, 09:50:35 AM
I really dont see what Thunderstrike has to do with the ongoing Thor?
And I already said why I think new Thor is a Mary Sue.Everybody thinks shes awessome,Thor thinks shes better then him and villains surrender to her cuz they want to go to jail.
So in any other words, as Tvtropes would say, they're Shilling the Wesley.
They should just reveal she's Loki trolling everyone. That'd probably be funny in a meta way.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 07, 2015, 06:17:45 AM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on April 07, 2015, 06:15:29 AM
I've read that if you include digital sales, the Khamala Khan Ms. Marvel outsells Uncanny X-Men by Bendis.
That's true but you wouldnt know it the way fanboy complain on the intratubes.
Maybe I've not been reading the right innernets (probably for the best) but I've not seen the complaints. I've seen the Lamestream Media complain about her being a Muslim, but that's standard operating procedure.
As much as I love Young Avengers (and Stature and Teen Vision technically made it to the big show with Mighty Avengers) LOTTA WHITE GUYS on that team. Just sayin'.
Basicly in TvTropes terms,we could say that shes Creators Pet,something Marvel suffers from a lott lately.Carlie,for example.
And Spiderman being Joe Quesada look-alike.I could go on,but I wont.
And Stardude,chill. ;)
And before somebody missunderstand it,and attacks me for it:I dont think Spider-man is creators pet,I think its Joes self-insert fic,with Spidermans love interest being modeled and named after Joes daughter...hmmm...
Quote from: Spade on April 07, 2015, 11:02:33 AM
Basicly in TvTropes terms,we could say that shes Creators Pet,something Marvel suffers from a lott lately.Carlie,for example.
And Spiderman being Joe Quesada look-alike.I could go on,but I wont.
And before somebody missunderstand it,and attacks me for it:I don't Spider-man is creators pet,I think its Joes self-insert fic,With Spidermans love interest being modeled and named after Joes daughter...hmmm...
LOL, I was actually going to mention Carlie but didn't want to sidetrack. And yeah, I did see the art in One Moment in Time where Pete looked like Joe Q.
As someone who actually has read every issue of Thunderstrike: I don't think he was a Mary Sue. He was very much portrayed as a everyman, and as Thunderstrike, his foes were more low key (The Moongoose, for example, who originated in the Thor run), than the grandiose threats Thor went up against.
I got majorly sidetracked here...
Anyway,while the Thor ongoing has an interesting concept,and cool villains,the main charachter is kinda bland,and the story bends everything around her to make her look good.
And btw,its Jane,right,the hammer cured her,right?Right?
Completly different subject now.I noticed a lott about UNCANNY Inhumans,and a lott shiling for the Inhumans in general.And not so much about X-men.There is 92 and AoA,both which Im looking forward to,btw.And I noticed Inhumans being stand-ins for mutants on few occasions.So is Marvel replacing X-men with Inhumans,are X-men being moved to their own universe(As some theories say),or just what is going on with the whole thing?
Someone someplace posted something (I know, not helpful), that the studio that is producing the X-Men is trying to copyright the term "mutant". If so (and I'm not delusional-heavy drugs involved), there are a lot of SF stories that will either need to change their names or not get reprinted. "Baldies" by Henry Kutter doesn't really have the same ring.
Quote from: daglob on April 07, 2015, 06:26:07 PM
Someone someplace posted something (I know, not helpful), that the studio that is producing the X-Men is trying to copyright the term "mutant". If so (and I'm not delusional-heavy drugs involved), there are a lot of SF stories that will either need to change their names or not get reprinted. "Baldies" by Henry Kutter doesn't really have the same ring.
FOX Suits DO NOT get along with the Disney/Marvel Suits at all mostly due to how mishandled Fantastic Four/X-Men were. FOX is so determined to have their own movieverse by crossing over X-MEN and FANTASTIC FOUR they are playing hardball and MARVEL is returning the hate by not allowing X-MEN/Fantastic Four movie promotion (which includes toys, books, comics, etc).
From the rumors that I am hearing Marvel is keeping the X-Men/Mutants around but they have locked any further new mutants and retooled the Inhumans as being the prominent "natural" superpower source from this point forward. I'm thinking that a major shift with occur in the X-Universe in the post-SECRET WARS Marvel with the huge possibility of the Young X-Men remaining in the prime Earth along with James Hudson Jr (Wolverine's son) and various other mutants from alternate universes (Morph from X-MEN '92?) and an all-new Alpha Flight.
- CQ
QuoteI really dont see what Thunderstrike has to do with the ongoing Thor?
Spade and
Silver Shocker, I think what AA is getting at is: no-one ever called Eric Masterson a Mary Sue ... because he's a male character. But because Thor's title has been taken by a female character, a certain section of comic book readers are calling the character a Mary Sue ... because she's competent and doing things the guys have done.
QuoteAnd I already said why I think new Thor is a Mary Sue.Everybody thinks shes awessome,Thor thinks shes better then him and villains surrender to her cuz they want to go to jail.
From the issues I read, Thor (Odinson) has never said the new Thor is "better than him" (in terms of superheroic ability) ... he acknowledged that he was unworthy to wield the hammer. "A" villain surrendered to her, as a one-off statement, not "cuz they want to go to jail".
A "Mary Sue" character is loosely a character who is so perfect that they can do no wrong no matter how intense or bad the situation is, and could also be used to represent the author themselves. But it seems like proportion of comic book readers on the internet just call a character a Mary Sue out of annoyance that a character is well-received or outperforming their favourite.
QuoteSomeone someplace posted something (I know, not helpful), that the studio that is producing the X-Men is trying to copyright the term "mutant". If so (and I'm not delusional-heavy drugs involved), there are a lot of SF stories that will either need to change their names or not get reprinted. "Baldies" by Henry Kutter doesn't really have the same ring.
Fox is keeping X-Men, Fantastic Four and 99% of everything involving Marvel's "mutant" properties ... a massive amount of characters / storylines.
Attempting to put the squeeze on Fox, Marvel has ceased creating new "mutant" characters, is repositioning the Inhumans to take over from mutants as the "people born with superpowers" in the Marvel universe, is bringing the Fantastic Four comic to an end before Fox's film comes out, and (as
crimsonquill mentioned) not doing any direct promotions for the Fox films.
IMO, I think Marvel is trying to force Fox to eventually "loan" some of its characters back, similar to Sony with Spiderman.
Quote from: Starman on April 07, 2015, 11:54:45 PM
QuoteI really dont see what Thunderstrike has to do with the ongoing Thor?
Spade and Silver Shocker, I think what AA is getting at is: no-one ever called Eric Masterson a Mary Sue ... because he's a male character. But because Thor's title has been taken by a female character, a certain section of comic book readers are calling the character a Mary Sue ... because she's competent and doing things the guys have done.
I just assumed he was talking about the fact that both characters replaced the classic Thor (Eric Masterson being Thor before becoming Thunderstrike). I don't really have a problem with that. I have a fondness for Carol Danvers, and she was a female spin-off of Mar-Vell, so there you go.
-Titania surrenders to her as a one time deal because she respects her?And think jail time would do her good?Just name when something similar happened to ANY other hero?
-If this Thor was male,I would still think
he/she/IT is kind of a Mary Sue.Like I said,the story tries too much to make her look cool.It like having neon signs all over the place.
-I dont have something against Inhumans,but I dont like this switch.Actually,a new dimension for just the X-family now seems like a great idea. :)
Quote-Titania surrenders to her as a one time deal because she respects her?And think jail time would do her good?Just name when something similar happened to ANY other hero?
If you can't think of any examples where a) a villain surrenders to police (example: Armadillo!) or b) has respect for the hero they are fighting (example: Batroc and Captain America!), I suggest you haven't read many comics. This isn't something new that was invented for that particular issue of Thor.
I think some people online were just blown away because the word "feminism" was mentioned. I mean, it's not like Titania was ever a member of the Femizons, a group of established female criminals and super villainesses. whose goal was to conquer Earth and create a utopia where women ruled. Oh wait ... yes she was!
Quote-If this Thor was male,I would still think he/she/IT is kind of a Mary Sue.Like I said,the story tries too much to make her look cool.It like having neon signs all over the place.
I'm going to ignore the inference that a transgender character would be called "IT", just like I've tried to ignore your inferences about "minorities" ... you are on a roll, man!
Please, explain to us how the story "tries too much to make her look cool" to the point that she becomes a Mary Sue character? I know this isn't just some angry rhetoric you're parroting from the internet ... these are your genuine, original opinions! Expound on them and illuminate us!
Quote from: Starman on April 08, 2015, 07:23:35 AM
Quote-Titania surrenders to her as a one time deal because she respects her?And think jail time would do her good?Just name when something similar happened to ANY other hero?
If you can't think of any examples where a) a villain surrenders to police (example: Armadillo!) or b) has respect for the hero they are fighting (example: Batroc and Captain America!), I suggest you haven't read many comics. This isn't something new that was invented for that particular issue of Thor.
I think some people online were just blown away because the word "feminism" was mentioned. I mean, it's not like Titania was ever a member of the Femizons, a group of established female criminals and super villainesses. whose goal was to conquer Earth and create a utopia where women ruled. Oh wait ... yes she was!
Quote-If this Thor was male,I would still think he/she/IT is kind of a Mary Sue.Like I said,the story tries too much to make her look cool.It like having neon signs all over the place.
I'm going to ignore the inference that a transgender character would be called "IT", just like I've tried to ignore your inferences about "minorities" ... you are on a roll, man!
Please, explain to us how the story "tries too much to make her look cool" to the point that she becomes a Mary Sue character? I know this isn't just some angry rhetoric you're parroting from the internet ... these are your genuine, original opinions! Expound on them and illuminate us!
To quote myself about the Avengers minority issue I HAVE according to you,since,hell,you know me so well,ergo you know my opinion:
Not that I have something against that,I just think they went too farTitania surrender to Thor only BECAUSE she is A WOMAN.That isnt femisam,like AT ALL,if anything its COMPLETLY OPPOSITE.And FYI thats not surrendering to the police,or having respect for the hero as you call it,thats being CONDECENDING.
A quote from Comic Vine:
And the bit with Titania? Come on. The woman's a bank robber, multiple-murderer, sadistic bully and all-round terrible human being, but girl power is where she draws the honor line? This is the same Titania who kidnapped Sue Storm and tried to convince the rest of the Frightful Four to let her kill Sue, right? And the same Titania who's been trying to kill She-Hulk for something like 30 years now?
Yes,THAT ONE.
He/she/it comment is just WOW,man.Your like Fox news,you twist everything you hear so it suits you. :doh:
About what I think on the whole story,I said it already multiple times,but Im assuming its TL;DR for you,so why would I bother repeating it.
And btw,trying to paint me as racist,is not really helping you with your case,whatever that may be at this point. :doh:
-Since we were comparing Thunderstrike,IIRC didnt he go out of his way to convince everyone hes NOT THOR?While here,everyone is trying to convince us she IS THOR.That would be a notable difference.
I don't know you personally,
Spade ... I've only read THE OPINIONS you have shared in this thread.
QuoteNot that I have something against that,I just think they went too far
Yes and how is that different from saying "Not that I have anything against minority groups, I just think they put too many on the team!"? :unsure:
QuoteTitania surrender to Thor only BECAUSE she is A WOMAN.That isnt femisam,like AT ALL,if anything its COMPLETLY OPPOSITE.And FYI thats not surrendering to the police,or having respect for the hero as you call it,thats being CONDECENDING.
Do
you even know what you're trying to say here or are you just mashing your face into the keyboard at this point?
QuoteA quote from Comic Vine:
And the bit with Titania? Come on. The woman's a bank robber, multiple-murderer, sadistic bully and all-round terrible human being, but girl power is where she draws the honor line? This is the same Titania who kidnapped Sue Storm and tried to convince the rest of the Frightful Four to let her kill Sue, right? And the same Titania who's been trying to kill She-Hulk for something like 30 years now?
In my last post, I wrote (sarcastically): "I know this isn't just some angry rhetoric you're parroting from the internet ... these are your genuine, original opinions!" Oh wait, it turns out you
are just parroting angry rhetoric from the internet. I guess we'll just ignore the whole bit about Titania being a member of a team called the FEMIZONS because ... Comic Vine didn't say anything about that? :unsure:
QuoteHe/she/it comment is just WOW,man.Your like Fox news,you twist everything you hear so it suits you.
Pot, meet kettle. Once again, you're the one who typed:
QuoteIf this Thor was male,I would still think he/she/IT is kind of a Mary Sue.
With your enlightened attitudes towards race and gender,
Spade, I think you'd be a great candidate for the Fox News team.
You missed the part where I say why its unbelivable Titania would surrender,because you dont like its from Comic Vine?Seriously,help me out here,just what are you trying to prove here?
I provided some arguments why I think its unbelivable,you kinda just went into insulting me.So,yeah,by this point Im giving up on talking to you.Anyone with two brain cells to rub together figured out what I ment by now.
TLDR version for you:My problem isnt with heroes being "minorities" as you call them,my problem is with every member of the Avengers being replaced with ANOTHER person.Well except Cap America and Falcon being sort of fused together.
-Your saying every female villain should just surrender to every female hero?Is that YOUR idea of feminism?
And again Titania tried to kill Sue,and is trying to kill She-Hulk for a long while now,so why does she have a policy of not fighting a woman now?
And once again,just for you Star-dude:My comment means I wouldn like the new Thor no matter its looks,background or whatever,because I dont like how the character itself is writen.And,for the love of god,dont ask me about it,AGAIN,I explained it 3 times.
Starman, Spade...You guys remind me of Abbott and Costello and while reading you two go back and forth with each other is fun, it needs to stop before somebody goes too far and it gets personal. Ok guys? Love you both, now let go read some comics, it's Wednesday!
That cover (All New Avengers) is pretty spoilerific I can say that for it. It gives away a couple stories if it's placed where they say it is. I guess Marvel is just going with flow. No use trying to keep the kids from peeking at their presents in the digital age. Like Black Vortex as well. They gave up the plot for that in the solicits before releasing the first issue even. Speaking of spoilers I just read the final Deadpool issue. Or I finished with the main story anyways, it's a thick issue. Worth the dime for it I'll give it that. I don't feel it's a cheap send off. But spoilers...this issue gives away Time Runs Out which hasn't gotten to that point yet. I won't say anymore of it but I thought I'd drop word since Marvel didn't give anyone a heads up about this issue. If you don't want TRO spoiled don't read the last DP right away or read about it online is the forewarning.
Not only did the Deadpool issue gave it away, so did Ultimate Spider-man.
Quote from: JeyNyce on April 09, 2015, 12:44:05 PM
Not only did the Deadpool issue gave it away, so did Ultimate Spider-man.
Saw that as well though sort of in USM since they didn't follow through and left it open to interpretation you know? With DP I actually curled my toes a little and thought " Whoa, did they just show all that?! ". Cool to read really but that's a big spoiler if there ever was one. Reminds me I need to read the back-up stories in Pool yet.
Anyone reading Avengers world?At first I just picked it because of Cannonball and Sunspot,but then I stayed because...well its a good comic.And what I like the most,its not happening in New York.Also it shows other teams like Euroforce and Ascendant.
I am yeah, working on some nifs from that actually (Andrew Forson is up next from me). Loving every bit of it. Just read the newest one last night.
I kinda lost track of Hyperion(s) after his brief time as a Thunderbolt,so can somebody explain what was he up to between then and AW?Who are the kids hes taking care for?
I LOVE that Graviton,and his new costume. :)
I think the Hyperion in Hickman's run is a different version than the one that was in Thunderbolts. In short he was discovered by AIM in the white space between universes after his universe had ended, which we later found out was due to an Incursion, then ended up in 616. The Zebra Kids in short were created on Earth by a celestial event that had been triggered which was prelude to the events in Infinity, which itself is prelude to Time Runs Out. There's a lot of detail otherwise to cover and it's in Hickman's volume, mainly the current volumes of Avengers, New Avengers and Avengers World as well Infinity. You can found out most of it on marvelwiki under Hyperion (Marcus Milton Earth-13034), Children Of The Sun (Zebra Kids) and Sunspot's Avengers entries. Fair warning if your not up to date there's a lot of spoiler sensitive stuff there.
Okay,thank for the expo. :)
Im just a casual reader,so I miss parts of the continuity.
Okay,people will probably hate me for commenting but I just have to.
Entire Superior Iron Man #7 builds towards the idea of
Spoiler
this Tony being replaced with his mind backup from 8 years ago
,only for that not to happen?Seriously,whats with that? XD
Quote from: Spade on April 15, 2015, 03:05:22 PM
Okay,people will probably hate me for commenting but I just have to.
Entire Superior Iron Man #7 builds towards the idea of Spoiler
this Tony being replaced with his mind backup from 8 years ago
It would be kind of lame if they did that again, as that's how they absolved Tony of everything Civil War & Initiative-related.
^I actually thought that would be a good idea.Like All New Tony would have to come to term with everything old one has done,and question why he did it all?But okay,they can still redeem Tony in other ways,I think...
Sort of felt that as well. The no more anticlimactic than the base reasoning and the " kid " thing:
Spoiler
The base of course being that he's now jerk Tony because well...magic so okay then and the build up to Teen Abomination only for him to end being someone else's child anyways. Really it's weird how this makes waves yet in the previous run they actually retconned Tony's origin and I didn't see a single article about that or arms raised. It's a fun book to read but like most of what Marvel and DC are doing reads like a What If? or some other alternate book. The story structure is there and the armor design is nice I'll give it this.
Something google alerts is poking me with for the past few Thor 8 will reveal the identity of the new Thor.
And I hope answer some questions like:
-What did Nick whisper to break Thors fragile ego?No doubt revelation as satisfying as MJs talk with Mephisto.
-Why Odin cant lift the hammer?HE put the FRIGGIN enchantment on the thing.
-Is the hammer now sentint and suddenly picky about who wields it?Seriously,this makes no sense.
Oh,yeah Im rooting for Malekith here.I dont usualy like homicidal nutcases,but here its completly appropriate. XD
Quote from: Spade on April 18, 2015, 05:07:15 PM
Something google alerts is poking me with for the past few Thor 8 will reveal the identity of the new Thor.
And I hope answer some questions like
-What did Nick whisper to break Thors fragile ego?No doubt revelation as satisfying as MJs talk with Mephisto.
-Why Odin cant lift the hammer?HE put the FRIGGIN enchantment on the thing.
-Is the hammer now sentint and suddenly picky about who wields it?Seriously,this makes no sense.
Oh,yeah Im rooting for Malekith here.I dont usualy like homicidal nutcases,but here its completly appropriate. XD
- This makes no sense, because how can whispering something make him not worthy, unless it was a spell he put on Thor
- Odin did put the enchantment on the hammer, but he forgot to exclude himself from it.
- It seems like the hammer can talk to it's welder, this is new to me too, but I like it with this new Thor
-Im guessing it some armor-piercing question like "Why cant you save Jane?" or something like that.Its Nick Fury,he would do something like that?
-Considering the list of people who lifted the hammer,I always thought that the enchantment isnt 100 % working.And now its working all too well.And just a long shot here,if nothing else works,Odin would at least be able to lift the enchantment?
I would hazard a guess that what he did is tied to the identity of the new Thor. It would rationalize why they didn't reveal his hidden sin in Original Sin if it would end up spoiling another thing down the road.
I finally finished Superior Spider-man(slowpoke jokes,I know).While its not as bad as people made it out to be,its not great either.Peters return was AWESSOME,thou.
GG: ...its you!
S: One and only! :)
I thought Superior Spider-man was an awesome. It gave Spidey some new life, even not Peter is still being affected by the things that Otto did as Spidey.
Ottos mad scientist approach to superheroics is entertaining,but EVERYTHING else he does?Its hard to like the guy,which I assume was the point.And we once again learn that standard heroes are better then anti-heroes,something we already know from Kingdom Come.Knightfall and Superman vs the Elite.To me,an okay series,but the moral of the story was overused at this point.
I liked it for what it was tbh. He was very efficient and different Spider-man. I like how he had his own secret island, henchmen etc. It really did look like a villain being a hero in his own way. Alas his own ego was his undoing.
His relationship with Anna Maria was interesting and showed his more humane side. So I wouldn't say he was completely unlikable.
But I do get what you're trying to say. It's just how the stories like these go, I don't expect anything groundbreaking other than: someone with different moral views takes over the hero role, fails, true hero returns triumphantly.
Well,yeah I understand him being more anti-heroic and killing villains,but stuff like beating up Black Cat and taking the symbiote from Flash were a bit too much.
I'm so glad that they did keep Anna Maria. She's my favorite character in the comic, besides Peter.
^ Yeah, I can't agree with that. Anna Maria is an awful character. She's every bit an empty, unnatural sounding fanfic character as all of the supporting characters Slott's created for the series. She's not a character at all, she's an assemblage of tropes put together in a human form (she's a diminutive person! She likes to cook! She's smarter than Peter! She's of Italian descent!) And the latest issue just Shilled the Wesley by having her constantly say things to demonstrate how "perfect" she is for Peter while other characters say the same thing (like Aunt May, who was previously taken aback at Pete dating a little person). It's no different than Carlie Cooper when she was in the book.
Inferior Spider-Man was garbage. Probably the worst Spidey story I've ever read. Any morality play was botched beyond belief, and Doc Ock most certainly was NOT entertaining. He was one of the most irritating leads I've ever encountered. All he did was rant and rave about how he was the greatest hero ever, with no sense of irony or self awareness, while nearly every character in the Marvel U acted like brain-dead morons because the plot says so. Team Rocket from Pokemon do a better job of staying in character than Ock did. And no, that's not an exaggeration.
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As someone who has lived with a disability and mental illness for his entire adolescent/young adult life, I also find it INCREDIBLY offensive that someone pretending to be my favorite super-hero would gun down a mental patient who was unarmed and no longer a threat, rather than return him to the asylum so he can get the help he needs. And get away with it, scott-free to boot, to the point that the police were lying their butts off to cover for him (despite the police hounding Spidey for way less in older, better stories). If Batman did that to the Joker (or any of the villains from Arkham), noone would ever let him live it down, in-universe or out.
There were a few positives, like the debut of the Superior Foes cast, the hammy villains like Green Goblin, and, my favorite part, Robbie Robertson telling the Inferior Spider-Man that he won't be bullied around by him (thus proving Robbie is a man of integrity and one of the most admirable men in the MU). But it wasn't even close to enough to save the rest of the story.
Some Spoilers, but I'm going to just leave this here, please discuss:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/04/21/tomorrow-an-original-x-men-will-be-outed-as-gay/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
On the whole Spidy killing a villain thing,did they forgot Maximus Carnage and the whole question there?And on the issue on the whole MU being idiots...except Carlie ofc.She figures out his identity by following his credit card.Yes,Avengers were too dumb to do that,but not super special awessome Carlie.
-On the X-men thing,I kinda suspected that...
^^ I would have have rather been completely surprised when I read the book (though in fairness, I am 2 weeks behind in the comics), and I'd rather we never link to that site since it's practiced some INCREDIBLY unethical business practices in the past, but I guess I might as well comment on it.
Well, that's Bendis for you. For good or for ill. He's made so many changes to the comics canon in his Avengers and X-Men run that at this point it's probably best to just relax, not take it too seriously and roll with it. Besides, he's off the X-Books, which means, they don't really have to follow up on or use anything he did unless they want to (he did, after all, reset nearly everything he did in his Avengers run in the end).
^ Darn, I forgot about that. Yeah, Carlie knew, but it still took her forever to figure it out despite her being told point blank by Peter. Again, it's nothing but contrivances to reach a narrative goal. If they couldn't have tried harder to make it make it sense, they shouldn't have bothered. Mind you, given the troll-heavy nature of Slott and the editors, it is depressingly likely that they intentionally made it make no sense just to annoy people. I mean, just read the newest solicits: "The most controversial Spidey story ever!" "Will Spidey cross that line?"
Ah, Maximum Carnage. Even if you ignore my blatant bias due to childhood nostalgia for the video game, that was a pretty cool storyline (and Bagley's art was awesome), and I've never understood why it gets the scorn it does. I'd probably rather enjoying going back and reading that more than the current run of Spidey.
Did they forget what came before? Of course they did. They forgot Sandman had an adoptive daughter that he wants to protect (despite that being introduced during post-OMD Spidey.). They forgot that time MJ saw through the Chameleon's disguise immediately. They forgot that the Skrull's used a combination of science and magic to avoid detection. They forgot that Doc Ock was genuinely interested in being altruistic in JMS's run and enjoyed being a Thunderbolt in New Thunderbolts during Civil War. And they apparently forgot Dr. Kakfa's personality and role as a psychiatrist ("You used the word 'freaks'. These are people with a disease."). Assuming they didn't choose to throw that continuity in the trash to make way for their own trash.
Im guessing the X-men reveal was supposed to be shocking,but its already done a few times(Midnighter,Apollo,
Batwoman,Northstar) so it just doesnt have THAT much of an effect on people.
About the X-Men reveal, my personal opinion and a rambling mess of thoughts.
MAJOR SPOILERS
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I can't wait for Bendis to leave the X-Men. He's run the franchise into the ground.
I'm incredibly upset about this retcon. Homosexuality isn't a choice, or a switch that can be flipped. When the original five were brought into the present, they were touted as the original 5, the 616 originals, our universe, not an alternate universe's version of the X-Men.
If that is the case, you can not just poop on decades of continuity by all of a sudden altering one of the main character's sexualities because it is convenient for a story.
In doing so I believe Bendis has been really disrespectful to the gay community. He has basically said that you could become gay, just like that. Especially in the interests of causing controversy.
If they were an alternate universe group, no problem! Bring it on! Miles and Phat had some great scenes in X-Statix, and I could imagine some hilarious moments between Bobby and Warren. Like Bobby making an ice mirror and playfully hitting on Angel while also making fun of his vanity.
The biggest issue I have with this reveal though, is the manner in which it was done. He was outed by Jean Grey, against his own will, and his own suggestions of bisexuality were rudely dismissed by Jean Grey. The outing itself took place on a page with 8 panels. actually I guess it would be more 4 panels, with 2 of them repeated 3 times each for comedic effect laziness.
Oh wait, and then they also dismissed the fact that 616 Bobby is straight by saying he's been in the closet his whole life because he can't marry a woman. :thumbdown:
Marvel was REALLY dodging any questions about bringing back Ben Reilly.There could be something there?Or not?Oh,yeah Vows is the final Spider-man story ever?Yeah,right.
Based on what I've seen, I'm finding it incredibly hard to care about "Renew Your Vows". Possible spoilers based on promotional material:
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The "Married to MJ with a kid" thing and the title is a marketing ploy, pure and simple. It's no different then what DC did with Stephanie Brown in Batman Eternal. The story is apparently an alternate tale with the lurid hook of "The final Spider-Man story" where Peter is forced to kill Venom. So it's effectively an attempt to make a Spider-Man version of the classic Alan Moore Superman story "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tommorrow?" As Spider-Girl artist Ron Frenz said, Dan Slott is no Roger Stern. He certainly isn't Alan Moore.
Attempts to artificially recreate an classic alternate universe endgame story rarely, if ever, work out well. Spider-Man Reign was an attempt to make a Spider-Man version of the Dark Knight Returns (it's a pretty blatant ripoff too, from the premise to the art style) but it's only ever been remembered for a gross, silly plot point that reached minor internet meme status. Surprisingly, less infamous is Peter making an uncharacteristically dark humor quip. If I wanted such a story, I could read that on my Digital Comics Unlimited account right now at no extra cost instead of shelling out $3.99 + on Renew Your Vows.
Like I said, they court controversy and Bile Fascination ("How bad can it get?") to raise awareness because they know a lot of people have legitimate issues with the book. They're effectively the Sharknado of comics.
Im not that excited about Secret wars,considering the creative team of Hickman,Slott and Bendis.Seeing what they did individualy I shuder to thing what they can do combined.Or it could be just another event comic where heroes fight each other instead of the villains.Because we know those turned out great. (Y)
Vows is supposed to an apology for OMD.And I did kinda notice the similarity to What happend stories.
Shocker, the whole Marvel Secret Wars stuff is nothing but a marketing ploy, every longtime comic reader knows this. There is no reason for them to do this except to make as much money they can from the Marvel movies. But this will not stop me from checking it out. I am interested on how they are going to do this, plus Spidey's One More Day is what stopped me from collecting comics for a while.
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Shocker, the whole Marvel Secret Wars stuff is nothing but a marketing ploy, every longtime comic reader knows this. There is no reason for them to do this except to make as much money they can from the Marvel movies. But this will not stop me from checking it out. I am interested on how they are going to do this, plus Spidey's One More Day is what stopped me from collecting comics for a while.
Like every event comic basicly...
Well Age of Apocalypse and X-men '92 are something Im looking forward to.Other then that...Korvac saga,maybe??
http://www.newsarama.com/24245-axel-alonso-secret-wars-interview.html (http://www.newsarama.com/24245-axel-alonso-secret-wars-interview.html)
Marvels EiC Axel Alonso explains that the current continuity isnt broken and doesnt need fixing.And readers can think whatever they like. :huh:
And Miles and Thor will be very important.Just great...
That coming from a guy who said X-men will get their own universe,then claimed he never said something like THAT.
GREAT CONTINUITY! :thumbup:
*hangs head in frustration in the corner*
As someone online said around the time of the DC reboot, the comics industry needs to stop lying to their audience, if for no other reason then they're terrible at it.
I'm actually not very interested in Secret Wars at all. It seems really similar to Convergence but with better creative teams, and it seems to be entirely alternate universes instead of just mostly, except maybe the main book. There's just too many books, all coming out at the same time, and almost none of it looks like it'll matter outside of their own self contained minis, so I just don't see a need to bother reading them. There might be a handful I want to read, I'd have to look over them all again. I got a massive backlog of older ( and new) stuff I can read anyway.
Im really unsure if anyone at Marvel knows how this is supposed to go down.And considering the creative team...Well Hickman can write a good story,but it takes him 100 issues to do that.Slott and Bendis I really dont want to comment.
Dan Abnett is promising in all of this.Loved Gaunts Ghosts. :)
I used to read Hickman's Avengers, but I fell out of it and never got back into it. It was too dry for my tastes and I wasn't in love with his new villains.
Dan Abnett (along with Andy Lanning), I loved on the cosmic Marvel books before the new versions of Guardians and Nova. Those were awesome. I don't think I've read much by them since, but I've liked other stuff by them (Heroes for Hire/Villains for Hire was pretty good)
In the spirit of being more positive, Ant Man by Nick Spencer is still awesome. Like Superior Foes before it, I genuinely think it's the best book on the stands right now.
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In the latest issue, Machinesmith is made into a straight up comic relief character. I thought it was pretty funny, but it is kinda strange considering he was a legit villain in Brubaker's Cap. That's just one of those things that happen in Marvel/DC comcis a lot these days.
Continuing on the the whole Iceman reveal: Anyone remembers Chuck Austens run?When Northstar had a crush on Bobby?Yeah,Its kinda funny now. XD
About Bobby...
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Eh... I understand what Bendis was going for, but... This really just doesn't make sense. This reveal relies entirely on Bobby being so deeply afraid of revealing his orientation that he's kept it a secret from everyone around him this entire time. But the people closest to Bobby, the other X-men... they don't care. Heck, Beast actually "came out" (during Morrison's run on the series) despite not actually being gay, for no other reason than to give young people someone to look up to. It just wasn't that big of a deal to him. So yeah, I kind of find it hard to believe that Adult Bobby would be so deep in the closet he wouldn't admit it to anyone, ESPECIALLY when he's freaking surrounded by telepaths.
So... yeah, I appreciate the thought, but... eh.
About Bobby..
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Now that we are going into Secret Wars, I'm just getting more convinced that the All-New X-Men (original five) will be left behind in the Prime Timeline.. so they are setting up Bobby's new orientation like a neon sign right off the bat to avoid any more subtle hints in further stories. Angel already got his new wings to avoid turning him into Archangel/Angel Of Death and Cyclops is being trained as a space pirate by his Dad to eliminate his daddy issues and terminal depression.
- CQ
I really don't care if Iceman is gay or not, what really bothers me about it that Jean told him that he was gay. That makes no sense to me what so ever. Can you trust a person with telepathic and telekinetic powers telling you stuff about yourself? For all we know she could be using her powers to make him think that he's gay. Next issue she be like, "Oh Bobby, I forgot to tell you, not only are you gay, but you're a chicken too!" Oh well, that's enough of me ranting, I don't read the book anyway.
" Don't care " would be my reaction as well. As in " either way ". Normally when you make a big move or drop an important plot point it should have some weight and value to it. I really didn't feel anything other than " Oh okay, great. Moving on? ". And of course they didn't. It read like filler to me honestly. Sort of like the recent Catwoman bit. Many readers were up in arms or on the other end of spectrum saluting the gesture. I didn't really grasp the shock reaction since it read to me as no more impactful than if a character was shown eating a hamburger. I suppose though we live in the buzzword era though that doesn't mean writers need to capitalize on the nature of the beast. I've personally always been pretty strict that something should only be in a story or in frame if it " needs " to be there. If it's essential to serving the plot movement in other words. Else it just serves discombobulation as Ebert put it.
Strangly enough,I dont think I saw even one argument about this.I guess nobody really cares?
Apparently Chuck Austen was on to something there... XD
That's probably a good thing really. It either means society, or at least the comic reading circles have become more lax and adjusted to men being homosexual and/or they actually handled it well enough? Still I felt if anything it was out of place. I don't understand why a character can't be gay or anything else without a big production being made of it. Again though I think it's just a reflection of the times.
What's insane is that they *did* have a char come out without it being a big deal, in a book I'm pretty sure was also written by bendis, and it was not even that long ago. It was back in Uncanny Xmen, with the kid who mirrors traits or whatever.
If I see the sentence: The Iceman cometh out,one more time Im gonna have to kill someone.Wasnt funny the first time people,not gonna be funny ever.
Anyone else thinks that Sunspot buying AIM wont stick for long?
Not just Morph, that same month Bling! Came out in adjectiveless X-Men, too. I wrote about it a while ago, naively hopeful that Bendis was working on something good.
Magneto: That wasn't me.
Wolverine: Oh really now?
Magneto: That was actually Xorn's evil twin brother, possessed by the sentient mold Sublime, pretending to be me, pretending to be Xorn.
Beast: That defies all logic!
Axel Alonso: Continuity does not need fixing,why would you want that? :banghead:
Well and first off a little about myself: I work in politics on and off helping secure LGBT rights in the US. I've spent a lot of time in mayors offices and drop-in centers towards this end. So diversity and equality are high priority for me. Just to excuse myself from any verbal faux pas here.
I guess in real life if you find out a friend is gay or an associate and you make a huge production about it that would make you sort of a jerk? Now Northstar for example, or Anole. These characters were just gay and that's who they are, then we moved on. It wasn't this thing were the people who knew them were up in arms or something. Obviously to if you lived in a world were people suddenly grew wings and fly and what not the normal personal traits wouldn't have the kind of impact that they do in our real world (and really at this point in 2015 shouldn't anyways, imo). Yet here how many pages of attempted shock value? Iceman could have been like " I'm gay guys " and Jean is like " We know and we're cool with that. Your Iceman and that's what matters to us. " Kind of like how well Future Foundation handled having Tong be trans.
It isn't a big complaint here mind you but just saying it was out of place and lacking in tact. More something a say heterosexual college fratboy might write from a lacking P.O.V. on how homosexuality works. And yeah as you pointed out Tomato...Bendis. He's a great writer in his own season but he's, well, he has a real Spanky's Clubhouse demeanor about him as well often displays a lack of tact. So not really a surprise seeing him not handling social moments anymore than not seeing Slott handle romance (he has that Secret Wars title to prove me wrong here but otherwise, the guy just write romance).
Moving on decent enough book anyways, in a lot of ways I'm not looking forward to seeing the current line-up and environment of most of Marvels books go away during Secret Wars. The Schism thing is pretty convoluted but I find the team and school structures to be rather enjoyable as is.
Out of the left field a bit,but you know whats the best Marvel comic(s) ever?Marvel Adventures.Seriously,its superior to canon in every way.That why they canceled it,I guess.
Marvel is going Gwen crazy. Starting in June, some of their cover will have Gwen Stacy with a hero's power. Some of them includes:
The InGWENible Hulk
Gwenon
G.W.E.N.D.O.K.
Dr Strange-gwen
Thor, Gwen of Thunder
Iron Gwen
Marvel made up these names, not me. Looking at some of the covers they do look interesting, but I hope they stay as just covers.
Well that Avengers/Attack on Titan crossover was retarded. :thumbdown:
Adjectivless Avengers were just sort of bland. :unsure:
Uncanny Inhumans pretty much establishes that mutants were replaced.With Inhumans poping eveywhere and only around 200 mutants left.Something that I kinda only noticed now: New Thor is blonde,wears a silver mask,and we dont know her true identity--She is A CHAR. :P
First issue of SW certainly didn't pull any punches. My eyes are swollen. " Could " have been longer yet it got the point across as is so maybe not. All I can think of the say on the matter.
I haven't been really reading comics for the past year (with the exception of The Walking Dead and The New Avengers) and I got Secret Wars #1.
My god, this is how you start an event. I loved the roller coaster effect I felt while reading it. It's also nice to see what New Avengers was finally leading to, with all the incursions and the Illuminati and the Cabal.
I can't wait to continue reading on.
New Thors identity is reveled before the issue was out.Im just gonna say: I tawld ya so! XD
Quote from: Spade on May 13, 2015, 05:25:31 AM
New Thors identity is reveled before the issue was out.Im just gonna say: I tawld ya so! XD
All the fans though one way, but Marvel tricked everybody by thinking it was that way, but at the end it was the one way all along, make sense? :doh:
What a fantastic second issue to Secret Wars! So much flavor! Mmmmmmmmmmm! :wub:
Good golly Sinister is so cool! I can't even the last time he jobbed much less had anything other than a high showing on panel.
Big Marvel day. Can't sleep. Going to sleep though so I can get my butt to town. There really isn't much on my Marvel pull list I'm not geared up for today.
Just finished reading A-Force. Really owns up to it's hype.
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- The Megalodon is a pretty huge cameo. I'm not sure how they're going to play it out but that's a hat tip The Masters Of Doom story arc by Mark Millar. Anyone recognize it?
- No kidding, when Namor and Co. showed up, right then as I was reading that page the A-Team theme was playing on the television. :thumbup:
I did read a few issue of SW and Im not sold on the event.Dont get me wrong,Frank Castle Sorcerer Supreme is probably the coolest concept Marvel ever came up with,but this is just impossible for one person to read...so many tie-ins and preludes etc...I didnt even touch the main series,Im pretty sure I missed 50 issues od prologues and thus I cant understand nothing. :blink:
On the whole disscusion of cool,Captain America and Devil Dinosaur team-up. ^_^
I'm really enjoying the side stories. Planet Hulk, Battle World and A-Force were all a good read. My only complain is that A-Force was quick, as soon as it started to get interesting, it was over.
I'm playing it like Convergence. I'm in the event for the main series, in this case because I'm following Hickman out from back on F4 and not requiring myself to look at anything else. I consider it a great opportunity to clean up both pull lists else I'm looking at whatever and if I like it I keep it if not I don't pick the next issue (usually the latter which my bank account is liking).
- Spade: You don't have to read the tie-ins to get the main story. If you thought those were an ajoined plotline that's probably why you got confused? That bit with Dr.Strange *spoilers?* is the only thing I can think of actually though one could as well get that online and pass (unless you like MODOK centric stuff, not my cup of tea). That was what I meant by marvelwiki blowing it, oddly since their whole thing is cataloging alternate timeline characters and in this they messed up almost all of them right out the gate. They for example listed the Dr.Strange in the main series as " 616 ". It isn't, that one's fate was revealed in Battleworld #1. The one in the main series is from 1602, it was even stated on panel. The red haired Thor is also not King Thor. King Thor has white hair and an eyepatch. I digress the tie-ins are pick and choose. Your not retaining part of the plot by reading Spider-verse or something. Marvel let Hickman keep his own story pretty self contained. I'd say Ultimate End though does highlight ALOT though and is probably a good one to tack on with the main book. Honestly at this point I think Time Runs Out and Ultimates are the only " needed " reads but really we live in an age with the internet so there's not really a good reason to be uninformed. There's literally an individual wikipedia or at least fanpage for every comic series these days with cliffnotes.
You are not wrong that there are a HOLY-GUACOMOLI! amount of books being published in this though. Word is Marvel is cutting it's venue way down after SW. No kidding, probably to make up for the loss they're going to incur over this over-saturation effort. Ironically too as that's exactly why they ended up bankrupt back when yet they keep making the same mistake over and over again. You'd think avoiding that route would be straight up instinctual for them by now. And really no one should be faulted nor even consider shaming themselves if they pass over more than half of these books. If you don't actually own an LCS I can only imagine you would have to actually choose between 1.) Every Secret Wars title or 2.) food. I want to say something here as well about being wary of going with the flow and the talk on the street as it is in internet terms but minding guidelines most of the top promoters you find on the comic forums are not who they are saying and you should take any " you must buy " and information you come along with a huge grain of salt.
- JeyNyce: A-Force is an ongoing JeyNyce. The story continues in issue #2 like any normal comic would. Most of the SW tie-ins are mini-series for that matter. Unless you mean the issue itself was really short?
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My picks so far:
- Secret Wars: Staying with until conclusion
- Ultimate End: Staying
- A-Force: Staying obviously. I actually believe 100% this series if no other will not end after Secret Wars does. They could not have marketed a comic better than this to be honest.
- Planet Hulk: dropping
- Deadpools Secret War: I have it but haven't read but DP is an auto stay for me. That's my break from the serious stuff now that She-Hulk isn't in print
- Battleworld: I don't know. I thought the first issue was boring and again I don't care about MODOK. But this is an anthology series and every story stands to be different. Something might happen here that I want to see. I guess I'll play it by ear.
- Spider-verse: Staying I guess but honestly I wasn't doing backflips. The character depth is great as they point out in the backpage but the story itself is weak. That 6th *spoiler* though pretty much snagged me
- Master Of Kung-Fu: I only wanted one thing from this book and that was to not even bother with it. Somehow I grabbed one issue anyways. This book is a sleeper hit and Secret Wars Shang-Chi is the best Shang-Chi ever!!! Staying all the way.
* - Last Days: Like with anyone else this is a gimme. I'm following out any books I was already reading so there are no new hooks here.
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Projections:
- Inhumans: I dropped Inhumans pretty early on. Issue 5 or 6 I think? I like the Inhumans a lot but this incarnation did nothing for me. I don't even think I'll look at this one.
- Journal: Anthology so same opinion as Battleworld. Playing this by ear/depends who shows up in the issue.
- Ghost Racers: I'm heavily into Ghost Rider, any version of even but this looks cheesy as heck. I'll give the first issue a shot though.
- Thors: On my pull list. I love Marvel NOW Thor and I already dig the Thor Corps concept.
- Age of Ultron vs Marvel Zombies: Almost no interest short of the fact that Elsa is the protagonist.
- Starlord and Kitty Pryde: This is for all intents and purposes a continuation of Legendary Star-Lord just retitled. I like that series so I'm following this.
- Runaways: I was sold the second they announced it. Don't let me down.
- Korvac Saga: Retitled continuation here as well (Guardians 3000). I like that book and love Korvac so I'm staying with this.
- Red Skull: I missed this one somehow. I heard the title, zero interest. read the synopsis (dark, gritty and edgy...lol), zero interest. Saw the inspiration (Heart Of Darkness), saw the line-up...holy moly the cast! Giving it a shot.
- Siege: Gillen writing Agent Brand. Absolutely. I'd wear a t-shirt of it.
- Secret Love: Just a 1-shot so it won't really break my bank. This one has a big wealth of talent jumping into it. The idea off doing a shout out to the romance age of comic books itself is intriguing. Yeah I'll buy one.
- 2099: Following Peter David to this. I'm a huge fan.
- Where Monsters Dwell: Not on my pull list. I'm indifferent. Imo Garth Ennis is at his best when he's not actually writing over the top borderline X-Rated material so I could see this having a lot of depth, however the core concept and characters hold no interest.
- MODOK: See: No interest in MODOK.
- Inferno. I'm a classic X-Men fan so yes. I'm already in love with the characters they introduced for this already.
- Old Man Logan: The original story made me puke, I mean I actually did throw up. I'm not going anywhere near this one, no offense to anyone who does. That series was just too gross for me.
- Infinity Gauntlet: I like scifi so I pulled it but I'm wary of what the content is going to be like.
- X-tinction Agenda: See: Inferno
- Weirdworld: No interest in Arkon and fairies. Pass.
- Mrs.Deadpool: This was my first definitive " yes " when I was making my pull for the event. I don't care if this the worst read ever because I'll be too busy staring at Shiklah in awe of how such a thing could even come to be. The fact that the monsters are in this helps as well.
- AvX: I have no interest in Skottie Young and I never have. I actually draw cute cartoons better than he does for one and he's the one that's a professional. For two I do think he is talented and shows it when he challenges himself but he keeps taking the lazy way out and drawing this garbage instead all the while diminishing his real art skills over time. It's fine to cartoon, sure, but even the elders in that field will tell you if you don't continually stretch outside of that single style your overall skills will diminish and your art will lose it's soul. I get even more irked by the fact my bonus covers are constantly dominated by this huey as well my bonus backstories. Does he give Marvel discount? Thank Doom Marvel actually sprung the extra dough to get Ross to the covers for SW instead of that manchild. I may have died from the sheer banality. That also means Howard The Human is a no as well. On a side note what even is that? Isn't the whole appeal of that character supposed to be that he's not human, rather a duck? That would be liking publishing a book about Steve Rogers: Gas Station Attendant. Sounds like a waste of paper and everyone's hard earned moola to me.
- 1602: Witch Hunter Angela: OH MY GOD YES! And that cover!
- A couple in sequence here since I have the exact opinion of all them which is not pulled, not largely interested but not really turned off either so maybe I'll look at #1 if I have the spending cash and time (phew...did I just anime dub myself?): Armour Wars, Civil War, Hail Hydra, Mighty Defenders, House Of M, Hank Johnson.
- Age of Apocalypse: Pulled. Like the other X-books this is nostalgia for me. Not only did the X-Books get me into comics full swing but it began with AOA, so any AOA book is always purchased. X-Men '92 right along with it then.
- Renew Your Vows: We're going to get screwed I'm telling you this now. Marvel went out of their way to call this " The Spider-man book YOU want! ". Thing is if they actually cared about what you want Peter and MJ would still be married anyways. Marvel is a company first and foremost. It is their job to dictate the market to ensure their own future and that of their shareholders. In other words to force feed you and I what they either want to or can produce, not what our hearts desire. That's the root of consumerism. So what am I guessing this book is going to show us? It's going to show us that the worst thing that could ever ever ever ever have happened to Amazing Spider-man would be if MJ and Peter stayed married. I'll literally put money on that prediction. Added here I really love Slotts writing except when it comes to one single area and that is love and romance. The man tome has no clue even what a relationship is and it seems his only POV on it is based on college hijinks and escapades where the woman is only around to serve the mans physical needs should they arise. I'm not sure he actually even knows what passion is to be honest. In other words this is a no for me. Marvel burned me on MJ one too many times, I'm not reaching in the oven for those cookies again.
- 1872: I'm not interested in cowboy stories. The old west just isn't my thing. I'm sure the writing will be up to snub anyways. Funny bit here, I briefly got called out by Duggan on this. I said with no snark whatsoever exactly what I typed here. I also added that I loved Duggan's writing and as it was I was buying everything else by him so I'm sure he'd be okay with it. Apparently the dude was lurking because he literally contacted me and scolded me for not wanting his cowboy book, lol. I just shook my head and decided that he must have been drunk or something. I mean saying you like 99.9% of a persons art isn't really an insult.
I meant that the issue itself was short.
On a side note, I've became friends with Marguerite Bennett (one of the writers). She signed my book and we talked about some of her upcoming projects. She is really proud of A Force. She told me that Marvel is really pushing this book.
@Alice I was going the other way around,reading the tie-ins and ignoring the main event.Which like I said I missed the set up for.
-Planet Hulk seemed just sort of fun,I mean Cap and Devil Dinosaur fighting a bunch of Hulks?Sign me up!
-Spider-verse was mediocre.Gwen stops Jackal from robbing graves,you get it?Whats with that?
-Battleworld I talked about.
-Punisher 19 and 20 I would be geting anyway.
-AoA,X-tinction agenda and '92 seem like a certain throw in
Some Info about Secret Wars
http://marvel.com/cards/50/secret_wars_battleworld_checklist/all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars_(2015_comic_book)
@Jeynyce: I agree on that end. Or maybe it was full but it was exciting enough to want more right now so it seemed that way. If issue two was out right now I'd break plans to get it in my hands. And totally. I mean they gave that a national television promo, can't remember what show anymore but that's a pretty big deal. This one is going places and that's fine by me. I'm happy to have it as a standard pull.
@Spade: That'll do it yeah. The tie-ins are all...well it seems in the environment of the story but otherwise almost self contained like a What If? or MAX book would be. And again to heck with buying all of them anyways. I mean unless your in the collectors market then more power to you but I was cracking just trying to list the titles here and having an equally tiring time compiling a character list for the request thread. I'm no genius so maybe they'll show me whats what but I have to stand that overall Marvel may be overdoing this and stands a change at suffering some loss here, possibly returns from LCS in the long run. Sort of how Blackest Night went down if I remember right. Not that the reps will ever own up to the low numbers though. Then again that's their job so no scorn to them either. I figured Hulk would hit with a few readers. That's either your thing or not but if you like Hulk brawling it's for you. I'm picky with Hulk comics personally, I usually only like them when they border scifi. Like I said I loathe Old Man Logan but that one is going to be a hit. A lot of people really loved that series. Just not my thing. So happy '92 is getting a physical issue. When they first said exclusive digital only I practically choked on my gum. I mean since the first teasers that's literally been one of the most chatted up announcements then they considered pulling the rug off under and making available to a confined group? So glad they changed their minds. I would have had to read it vicariously through one of you, lol.
I'm still overall buzzing about it, just giving my pocketbook and time a little love here too and being decisive. Easy swing I know but apples to oranges I think they structure blows Convergence out of the water. Noting that directs to mainly Time Runs Out and the main series but doesn't neglect most of the recent Ultimates stuff, in Secret Wars case at least they took the time to go through the proper foundation building: The background layout > the problems > all of the players motives are established (in this case a reason for why each character is fighting one another other later as opposed to Convergences " cause man in the sky says so " > further character building and rising action > apex/the conflict itself before the falling action (resolution) which is of course the point we're at with Battleworld, the apex I mean. With Convergence they seemed to jump right onto the apex with only Earth 2 as a somewhat loose establishing point. To their credit I think DC could have done it properly but choose not to and seemed constrained by both other publishing and story issues as well by time. Marvel had the advantage of starting theirs way early (by at least the end of AOU by their account) and knowing the exact date they would be drawing the final curtain back. Not nergasming either but I am enjoying Hickman's prose in particular. Too bad he's going on hiatus after words but then again I think he needs it. His talents shouldn't be confined to one office and frankly I've seen the long haul turn the best writers into the most despised by the readership (Bendis and Loeb when you really look back to their beginnings to now).
Seeing some reviews online,I think the whole event is pretty much hit or miss.You either love it,or you compare it to Nu52.
Not that Nu52 is bad,its just that it needed time to find itself,so to speak.
There is a preview for '92 out.Issue 1 is comming next week.
Hickman being in charge is probably what got us 652 issues in total.He really takes time to set up a story.In short,I think this will function better when/if its collected in an omnibus or tpb.
X-men 92 was pretty good.Inferno was okay.Where monsters dwell is promising.And suprisingly tame for a Garth Ennis work.
O_O
Wow friend. I actually forgot it was LCS time with all the fun I've been having. That's when you know your in over your head, when you forget comic day. Thanks to for heads up.
It's cliche to compare it to Nu52 but like Aquaman to Namor it's going to happen so I say broach it. More I compare Convergence to Secret Wars (original). In fact I would call it a rip off in a lot of ways. Now I don't think being inspired make a thing bad mind you but I won't make bones about it either. Deadpool is inspired but I like him anyways. Of course when it comes to comics as well when you trace anything back for enough everything has a grandfather before it so horse a piece also. But SW205 is a reboot speaking of making no bones. Marvel can call it however they wish but this the Marvel Universe and timeline reinvented. That's okay if you ask me, like DC's new line after Convergence I think Marvel was getting stale and needed a fresh perspective. Really too Marvel is always sort of in a perpetual states of reboot/revamp. Again they won't come out and say it but that's the way being a salesperson goes, but it most certainly is. I can't remember the year I didn't look at the Marvel characters and not see something " All New And All Different " there. For SW2015 I'm mostly still into where Hickmans story is going. God I love that guy. Did you say you missed some of his stuff Spade? If so treat yourself to his trades all the way back to Fantastic 4. Every bit of it is worth your time. I'm also invested with where the Marvel U ends up. Battleworld is a grey area. I can take or leave anything yet I like having this option of being able to rather than the usual where I'm expected to pick up every Marvel book. That was the draw of New 52 for me as well. I like being able to go in and not really know what I " have " to read rather to say something looks good and I'll give it a shot. Basically the difference between a well stocked buffet and one that has the same old corn and potatoes each day. Variety is the spice of life or so it's said.
After finishing Avengers World,I had to pick up Time runs out.Suprisingly,I understood most of it without reading Avengers or New Avengers before that.While I dont like seeing Thanos everywhere like lately,here hes pretty convincing,so to speak.
And they say I read at warp speed. I agree with that and don't really have the word for it either other than " he fits ". Hickman really loves the cosmic characters and is inclined to give them dimension. I got my SW books and otherwise. Surgery drugs and yard work all day unfortunately are making me nod off so I only finished Secret War Journal. The 1602 Kate Bishop story was the one chalked up in reviews here. I didn't feel it held up. They mentioned the original series and it's characters in the reviews but really only a 1602 Kate two 1602 YA's are there and most are pretty flat. It more read as a preview for the Siege book coming, in fact I can think of more than one they did that with now. Really a full story shouldn't be a preview for another, it should be it's own story even if it's in an anthology. The second story I thought was the real treat. It's about alt X-Men who live in an Egypt style land ruled by Khonshu. I won't say anymore and though short that one's worth the price of admission. Lot's more work tomorrow but hopefully I'll get an early sit and crack into the LCS stack. Still can't believe I forgot. I'm foggy but that's like forgetting Christmas, lol.
I read the first 2 issue of Secret Wars after all.And its... actually pretty good.I did notice same Game of Thrones inspiration there. :)
So...is Doom
Spoiler
Reed Richards
or what? :)
Quote from: Spade on May 29, 2015, 07:08:40 AM
I read the first 2 issue of Secret Wars after all.And its... actually pretty good.I did notice same Game of Thrones inspiration there. :)
So...is Doom Spoiler
Reed Richards
No I don't think so because
Spoiler
In the first issue, Doom was with the Beyonders. I thought he stole their powers again
But I could be wrong
Quote from: JeyNyce on May 29, 2015, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: Spade on May 29, 2015, 07:08:40 AM
I read the first 2 issue of Secret Wars after all.And its... actually pretty good.I did notice same Game of Thrones inspiration there. :)
So...is Doom Spoiler
Reed Richards
No I don't think so because
Spoiler
In the first issue, Doom was with the Beyonders. I thought he stole their powers again
But I could be wrong
IDK,it is kinda weird.
Spoiler
At the end 0f first issue their narration starts overlaping IIRC.
And the weirdest of all:Doom having family.Like,Richards family.
Doom...
Spoiler
With his newfound power Doom has coveted what was Richards. That's classic Doom motive. As well Reed did betray and abandon his family in TRU. His intent was honest but he blew it and through the usual Reed way by over analyzing everything. His family discovered Reed and the Illuminati took kept the fate of the world a secret from well, the world and tried taking matters into their own hands partly by becoming world killers themselves (manipulated by Black Swan but they followed through nonetheless, not very herioc). They were already at odds with him as was everyone else and at the rest of the Illuminati (Brasher's scold summed it up really). Then again at the end of 616 Reed failed and left his family behind. Now enter Battleworld, the new order created by Doom and Molecule Man where Reed's wife and children have been spared. The Cabal shows up and were certain to see the Illuminati show up as well with was it Cyclops and Star Lord in tow? That looks to be what the cover of issue three is telling us. Anyways Doom is Doom though Hickman indicated in interviews that he is " another Doom from another timeline " and left it at that. The implication is there's two Dr.Doom's and the one we see now may not be the one we last saw in AXIS. What that means I don't know but I assume that is the big plot twist were all waiting for.
Spoiler
Why did I just remember the title "Five Dooms to Save Tormorrow"?
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New poster.Notice the lack of Mutants.
X-tinction Agenda,Days of the Future Past,Renew your Vows and Armor Wars.Tommorow looks interesting.
Quote from: Spade on June 02, 2015, 11:26:38 AM
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New poster.Notice the lack of Mutants.
X-tinction Agenda,Days of the Future Past,Renew your Vows and Armor Wars.Tommorow looks interesting.
Lack of mutants and the Fantastic Four
Is this fan-made or official?
Either way, it's really disappointing and sad that the X-Men and the Fantastic Four aren't in the poster. They're both such huge parts of the Marvel Universe, it's a crime to not include them.
Marvel isn't ditching the F4 or X-Men. I know none of you are saying the exactly but you know too many readers are really sold on that nonsense. Doom and Mr.Fantastic are the lead characters in the event. The X-Men have even more titles than they had before the event. Math doesn't lie, just saying don't perpetuate that tin foil noise.
Speaking of large public forums someone tried selling me a poster for Secret Wars on one, as well as some...a board game or chess set or something? Those sites I swear. That's why I love little tight knit communities like this one so much. Go into a big forum and it's like being at the Chicago Greyhound station or something. A little overwhelming and way misinformed. That poster is obviously Disney merch, not actually Marvel so yeah it's only going to center on the parts of the franchise they have their mitts on. It's just a contract breach is all. They can't or aren't supposed to merch things X-men. Fox get's to do all the merch there and get the royalties, game rights and so on. Not a conspiracy just more union b.s.
Poster was official.
Marvel wont be dropping X-men,thats obvious.I guess its just trying to isolate them and sabotage the movies.
I talked about it here,but nobody has any idea what is going to happen to mutants after SW.Editors and writers claim one thing,then claim they never said those same things.Its just all over the place.
Quote from: SickAlice on June 02, 2015, 05:43:37 PM
Marvel isn't ditching the F4 or X-Men. I know none of you are saying the exactly but you know too many readers are really sold on that nonsense. Doom and Mr.Fantastic are the lead characters in the event. The X-Men have even more titles than they had before the event. Math doesn't lie, just saying don't perpetuate that tin foil noise.
Quote from: Spade on June 02, 2015, 06:02:58 PM
Poster was official.
Marvel wont be dropping X-men,thats obvious.I guess its just trying to isolate them and sabotage the movies.
I talked about it here,but nobody has any idea what is going to happen to mutants after SW.Editors and writers claim one thing,then claim they never said those same things.Its just all over the place.
I'm aware that Marvel won't be dropping either of the two groups. It's just a shame that this is an official poster and petty grievances are forcing the exclusion of two prominent groups in Marvel.
Also, the poster looks like a compilation of various snippets from different comics. While it is kind of neat to see the art of various artists together, it's just a bit disappointing to me that it wasn't all consistent, you know?
It's not the first time a poster like this was made. I have a version of this poster where it's Wolverine, Spidey and Iron man at the center. My daughter has another version where the Avengers are in the middle. If you asked me, I think it's kind of lazy to just cut and paste heroes together like that.
@Spyderman
Pretty much what I said.And seeing how Marvel and Fox are really at each others throats...situation doesnt look that great.
But yeah,sidelining some of their characters just to mess up a movie seems petty.
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 02, 2015, 06:21:58 PM
It's not the first time a poster like this was made. I have a version of this poster where it's Wolverine, Spidey and Iron man at the center. My daughter has another version where the Avengers are in the middle. If you asked me, I think it's kind of lazy to just cut and paste heroes together like that.
Yeah, I've seen those posters, and every time it's the same thing. Take a bunch of crop images from the comics and photoshop them together. All it takes is time, and not much else.
I just don't feel the love in it.
Now posters like Alex Ross' group paintings are the type of art that I would love to see. I can feel the work and effort put into it and the poster doesn't feel "cheapened."
The hack and paste always blows, but you know. Don't give them the money and force them to put better production into to get your attention. I used to collect Marvel card series and remember when they started using stock art like this as opposed to the Jusko, Boris, Bell and Hildebrant art they had been. Wasn't surprised to see that fad die shortly after. Like I said though definitely looks like stock Disney merch so it's not really a surprise. This seems like the kind of thing you'd find at stores in malls like TY and such next to ugly plastic character head mugs and goofy wind-up cars. Not the kind of thing made for the LCS or serious collector anyways so I'm sweating it.
Tomorrow is comic book day and Amazing Spider-Man Renew Your Vows #1 comes out. Anybody else looking forward to this? It also starts the Gwen covers
http://marvel.com/news/comics/24438/gwen_takes_over
http://www.mtv.com/news/2152333/gwen-stacey-variants-marvel-comics-exclusive/
I'm on the fence. I'm sort of dismayed that while other books got tributes to different eras and talent from the years the Spider-man ones all fell on the current talents works (mainly Slott). I also don't feel Slott can write romance, though I won't count my chickens until they hatch. Likewise I have a bad feeling they're going to use this as springboard to show us how horrible things would be if they stayed married, basically to justify their own claims and shut the rest of complainers about the marriage up. It's just a topical issue. It is new comic book day though so excited, heck yes! Thanks for the reminder BTW, I straight up forgot again and was going to drive right past the shop in the morning again.
Secret Wars #3 shoots down one theory.
I dont know about all of you,but Renew your vows wasnt all that for me.Is the aesop of the story that you cant have a family and be a superhero?
Little Marvel AvX is THE best story I have read in the whole Secret Wars.Not kidding here.Its great. :thumbup:
X-tinction Agenda really hits you in the nostalgia.Good stuff.
Superior Iron Man is over?I really thought that Tony cant sink any lower,but Im suprised yet again.This pretty much warrant him entry on Marvels Complete Monster page.
Only read SW3 yet today. The rest later tonight. Regarding SW3:
Spoiler
I have concluded that Dr.Strange's one go to move is to sell out. Trouble at hand? Find the nearest powerful bad guy or demon and make a deal. I'm surprised he doesn't get bagged on as much in the comic forums as characters like Wanda and Cyclops do honestly.You think one of his bros would have said something at a point " Hey Steve. The fellas have been talking and we don't know how to put this but we think you need help. Not trying to shame you here but you keep serving one benign entity after another and it's making us look bad as well most of can't keep track of our own continuities anymore. I mean does anyone even know who Spider-man is anymore? It was bad enough keeping track with the clones but this has gotten out of hand. We're giving our all to make sure no demons invade and take over, at your bequest BTW, and then nope, you like telling Zom or whoever to just use you as a vessel and come on in to our dimension. It seems a little redundant dontcha' think dude? ". It's a surprise Strange isn't a full on demon or zombie by now considering his soul has been passed around more than a cold plate of beans at a coal miners convention. No hate for the character but it would be nice to see something different with him maybe even, heroic and him standing up to the monsters like he's supposed to.
Linkara: Stephen Strange can rip open the fabric of time and space,but he cant heal a bullet wound?Hes also supposed to be the worlds best surgeon.
I dont know everything about Doc Strange,but I sometimes get the feeling that writers just dont know what to do with him.If he so great,he could just solve any problem on his own,right?And that wouldnt be much of a story?
Basicly,hes to magic what Charles Xavier is to telephaty.
I only picked up SW3 and X-tinction Agenda. Both great, but wow, the Secret Wars main story is heating up!
All New. All Different Marvel Universe
http://comicbook.com/2015/06/04/marvel-teases-the-post-secret-wars-all-new-all-different-marvel-/
They went with Coulson instead of Wolverine or Deadpool?That is weird.
And 4 spider characters. Doesn't that seem ridiculous to anyone else?
I kinda like the idea of keeping Steve Rogers as an older guy.
Quote from: Spade on June 04, 2015, 01:09:43 PM
They went with Coulson instead of Wolverine or Deadpool?That is weird.
You're not serious, are you? You know why they went with Coulson and not with the
mutants I'm not sure if I can say that word.
I kinda like Cap as an old guy too, but keep him active. Either let him run SHIELD with Coulson or let him lead the Avengers, working from HQ, or let him be like Nick Fury was back in the day and he'll have his own adventures.
4 Spiders in one universe. Notice that nothing was said about Spidey 2099. They can all get together and call themselves The Spider Friends
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 04, 2015, 03:25:59 PM
Quote from: Spade on June 04, 2015, 01:09:43 PM
They went with Coulson instead of Wolverine or Deadpool?That is weird.
You're not serious, are you? You know why they went with Coulson and not with the mutants I'm not sure if I can say that word.
Plus,
Spoiler
they're both dead, for the time being anyway
.
Some quick rundown on the known facts about post SW Marvel U, including interesting Wolverine and Hulk info
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvels-all-new-all-different-universe-what-we-know-so-far
Apparently,
Spoiler
there's gonna be a new Wolverine and a new Hulk, not sure if I'm a fan of this many identity switcheroos but if the story behind is good, I'm fine with them.
@Spade: Right? Or a sword wound as well. I love his character fiercely don't get me wrong but it seems like the writers at Marvel just slacked off with him. I'm assuming he'll get much needed TLC with a film coming out and all however. Also what was it you liked about Little Marvel? Wondering as I'm not interested but who knows, maybe I'm missing a good comic.
As for Wolverine what's up there is shown in the Wolverines series (last ish). I suggest that whole run either way, great series by my accounts.
Read my other SW books, brief summary:
SW#3: I love Hickman's writing so I loved this again. This issue pretty much sets the stage and gets all of the players in place. Some big answers dropped here (a huge one if you look close enough and check ahead on the solicits actually) and some left hanging.
Master Of Kung-Fu#2: As good as the previous issue, SW Shang-Chi is awesome. Can't prop this series enough.
X-Tinction Agenda: Bleh. Not bad but not great either. More I'd say it's not compelling. They did a good job at capturing the nineties comic style but most of the characters aren't interesting or are just completely unknown. It seems to assume the reader will just have a vested interest in the characters before reading the book which of course there's no way they could. I might not even follow this one out.
Years Of Futures Past: The better of the X books if you ask me. This wasn't mind blowing either but the story structure and characterization held up. The new characters are a little strange but the story makes up for it in heart.
Renew Your Vows: Well I called this one. If Peter and MJ stayed married the world would go to pot, how nice of Marvel to not make us suffer all these years, lol. Not really to my credit though. Much of that came from sitting in a round table of creators and fans about both the topic of whether the marriage should have been retconned, whether OMD/OMIT where good or not, and whether Slott was past his due and had too much creative control. Naturally most currently employed by Marvel swear by all of the above and that anyone (reader or creator) against is just dumb and has no understanding of how a comic book should be made. This matters here because the story is being shoved aside in favor of pushing that agenda and thus makes for a bad read. Axing this one to make space for any of the other numerous titles as well. Again I'm a little miffed that Slott got all the Spider books and they didn't dedicate one to any of the great stories of the past. There were a lot of Spider orientated stories they could have used for SW that I feel they really passed up on here (the 1st issue, Maximum Carnage and The Other spring to mind immediately). Sorry if my attitude rubs anyone the wrong way but I'm just not in the Slott camp. I love his prior works and swear by Superior but I think he's past his due date. I also think (again from speaking to the man) that he's sadly the kind of artist that rather than take criticism on the chin and consider applying it to his craft gets too offended and rebels against intentionally putting in his books what the fans don't want. That said I wouldn't hold your breath that the status quo of this book will carry over (616 Peter is in another book anyways, this is NOT your Spider-man despite what the advert says) and we will return to Slotts Black Cat story once all is aid and done. Slott is another imo that maybe would be better served moving over to the animation division. Him and Wacker had a good working relationship as well so that would be a bonus there.
Armor Wars: Not bad but it's all over the place. This is a must for Iron Man enthusiasts though, lots of little Easter eggs here. There's also a Iron man Spider-man and Rhodey takes up a unique position in this book. Iron Man 2020 also makes his debut here for anyone into that character (and adds a second skin to the nif I'm making).
Battleworld#2: This was a preview for other books, being Howard The Duck and Planet Hulk. Not a lot happening here though both stories were entertaining enough and had heart.
Future Imperfect: My next favorite issue aside from MOKF. I'm bias here though because I'm a Ruby Summers fan and this book had her all over it. It's a good complex tale though. Looking ahead Maestro is going to be a very important character both in SW and after it so this is probably going to be an essential read.
JK about Wolverine.Chillax people.Coulson FTW!
@Alice Little Marvels was just fun.Iceman selling Ice-cream,Cyclops and his eye puns,zany stuff.And baby Cable is the most adorable thing ever.
Renew your Vows:
Seeing the opening scenes I almost expected them to live in a trailer...That sitcom family feel.The story fans wanted to see!
Or: You asked for it,now take it,suckers!
Worth mentioning is that the artwork of SW is great.Esad Ribic does an awesome job.
As big as a Spidey fan I am, I have mix feeling about Renew your Vows. It felt like a bait and switch. I thought it would be the years before May "Mayday" Parker got her Spidey powers, but it's not, whole different story. I'm also guessing the lesson he learned from Ben, doesn't whole much weight when you have a family to take care of
Maybe I'll leaf through AvX. A fun book is a good thing every now and then. I'm mostly being frugal and trying not to pile on the titles in service to my bank account. It's like SW 2 or Onslaught all over again, lol. I suppose if I were them I'd make a mad grab at the cash as well. Still a little unhappy to not have my 1602 Angela or Shiklah books yet.
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Second poster is even weirder.
Huh, so X-23 is the new Wolverine, kinda makes sense, her being the clone and what not. Old man Logan will be sticking around as expected. The Thing is gonna join Guardians? Not a fan of DD's new look. They were going for Netflix meets shadowlands I guess.
Also didn't get to comment on Spidey's new look from the first poster. I can dig it. Small tweaks here and there but it's still true to the form.
Im the only one noticing
Citizen-V?
Quote from: Spade on June 05, 2015, 11:11:30 AM
Im the only one noticing
Citizen-V?
I see him and I also notice that they change everybody in that poster except for Iron Man. I wonder what Marvel has plan for him.
^Judging by Superior Iron Man,nothing good.
Does anybody knows who's the guy in the green hood? At first I thought Killer Croc, then Electro, LOL!
Playing it reserved as always regarding this. I read a few articles when the news hit and most are apparently written by time traveler from the future who read the next ten years of Marvel and DC comics and absolutely hated it. I only hated their articles, lol. Not worth buying into hype and more never worth buying into made up paranoia. Had I ever gone that route in life I would probably find myself now trying to figure out how to get my investment in the bomb shelter and solar panels I would have purchased during the end of the world scenario during 1999. Seriously hate coming off dissonant all the time about it but it would be nice if we had more reporters who were upbeat and stuck to factual basis, as well actually had a degree in journalism *cough* rather than the click bait writers I've seen most of it devolve into. Integrity wouldn't actually hurt the world, just saying. As for what is at hand I'm sure it will read like everything else. Despite how often (weekly?) they push the All New button at Marvel the overall experience has felt the same to me since Disassembled at least short an original title here and there, something which I like and think is positive FYI. I like change and variety but I also don't like being uprooted completely. Aside from SWS Marvels been fairly consistent at least at providing the same " sort of " thing on the menu.
Also I've wanted Laura to take the mantle forever, so if that's going to stick I'm excited and will be there acting quite immature and rubbing it in the faces of my friends who say X-23 sucks and Sabretooth is the only one who deserves to be Wolverine. Oh yes, believe it.
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 05, 2015, 12:44:01 PM
Does anybody knows who's the guy in the green hood? At first I thought Killer Croc, then Electro, LOL!
Found it, Inhuman Karnak rocking a street-level look
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/new-marvel-teaser-features-new-wolverine-different-daredevil-thing
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 05, 2015, 11:13:54 AM
Quote from: Spade on June 05, 2015, 11:11:30 AM
Im the only one noticing
Citizen-V?
I see him and I also notice that they change everybody in that poster except for Iron Man. I wonder what Marvel has plan for him.
According to Marvel's EIC he's supposed to be the flagship character for the entire relaunch, whatever that means.
It doesn't bother me, but I think Marvel is over doing it with their female heroes. I can understand promoting the female heroes they have now, but now they're creating female counterpart to their male heroes. Anybody else notice this as well or am I just making a big deal out of nothing?
I don't think so. Women of Marvel have been their stock and trade and something notable about the company for decades. The X-Women really stand out there. I more concern though not greatly that they aren't doing it right, which applies universally rather than to them specifically. More often than not for example I see a social network status of a person attempting to come off as the champion of diversity, often self congratulatory despite not having made a real time impact sadly, instead completely blow it do to being woefully ignorant of another lifestyle. The first step in acceptance is understanding that you can't understand what it is to be the other person, the second that what anyone needs is someone to listen rather than tell them nor speak on their behalf, let them speak when they need to in other words. Because as someone who isn't them while the intent is well enough your apt to actually make things worse and come off half baked. Noting that's even more convoluted by the fact that in this age the going rate is between legitimately caring and going through the motions and trying to portray oneself as being " with the times ". When it comes to companies that make product I tend to not take to heart either in offense nor applause what they motion towards since it's undeniable that they are a company and therefore obligated to target demographics, in this case the lesser female buyers of their products as well the majority of shoppers whom happen to also be mothers. All the goofy little stuff I learned when I used to be in sales and really not depressing as it serves to simplify and make matters easier to swallow.
I think Marvel is overdoing a lott of things lately...Mostly replacing existing heroes with younger and hipper people.But thats a long story...
I am positivly suprised by a lott of comics lately.So yeah,the future is looking a bit brighter.
Old Man Logan #1 was actually a lott better then I expected.
A part of me wonders if they are trying to set up legacy generations, like what DC had in the past.
Marvel had been more about costume swapping before, but everyone was generally the same age. I wonder if they want to reflect their history now by setting up different 'tiers', Steve Rogers, Old Man Logan, and I assume Fury Sr. Would be like the old guard. Peter Parker, Sam Wilson, Iron Man, etc. are the veterans and mentors.
So.....
Old Man Logan, Steve Rogers, Nick Fury Sr - Justice Society
Parker, Sam, Tony, and any of the classic Marvel heroes - JLA
Spider-Gwen, X-23, Miles, Ms. Marvel - Teen Titans
It makes sense if you look at it like that.
@detourne_me: I think mostly re-branding. I know I come off cynical when I go the business route, and partly that's my training (one of my majors is journalism as well hence my dissonance to blogs and web sites) however they are a business and they're fiscal responsibilities proceed everything else. Outside what's visually apparent, whereas the big twos franchises frequently are shaken up and given a new look that no one seemed to be asking for are the talents frequent comments about editorial control and how " well we have a businesses to run after all " or some such, more openly of course after they leave their employer and if there was bad blood/creative differences. Re-branding of course means selling " new " despite it being the old product. Like New Coke or having a different flavor variation of the same soda. Stan Lee said once, I think in an old Wizard interview in regards to Ben Reilly " The thing that sells better than Spider-man is two of them ". Both Marvel and DC have become pretty rabid about doing this lately, myself registering the complaint often that I'd like for one concept to stay in place long enough to enjoy it, and easily as the current economic climate itself is in a state of chaos and constant flux.
@JeyNyce: I really doubt the industry leader is trying to follow number two in the numbers. It makes no sense when you do the math. That's like concluding that Wal-Mart is modelling themselves after K-Mart to try and improve themselves. A person in first place wouldn't follow the one in second. Mind you like I've said I don't buy into the Marvel ripped off DC or DC ripped off Marvel ideology. I just think it's been going for decades past it's use personally and is a long dead horse that really needs a tribunal.
I dont know the sales number,but I dont belive Marvel is so much ahead of DC.
About the whole generation setup...I dont think they can pull it of.The whole universe runs on present time.There was a great blog I once read,about why a series like Starman would be impossible for Marvel.
BTW,not that I care,but whats gonna happen with Ultimate universe after all of this?
They're still ahead and I'm referring to the company as a whole but probably eschewing the point by adding to it myself with that. Among too many other things the clefting accusation is a part of the nerd culture we would be so much better off without and frankly most of us and I believe all of you are better than. Not even close to being in league with the real unsavory stuff in our cultures...and I mean man *shakes head * so sorry if it read as such a thing, but likewise it just serves no purpose to whatever company nor artist one is attempting to either stand for, defend nor evaluate in any sense. Marvel is not trying to be DC. DC is not trying to be Marvel. Never have been they are just two peas in a pod following the same market leads and if anything their very livelihoods are dependent on the contrast they create between one another in order to perpetuate a competitive and flowing market. Either way what does this serve in talking about what Marvel is doing in their next phase in the Marvel thread other than as the base incendiary powder keg it always has in comic culture? Just saying that as it is and at least imo I think or at least wish for nerd culture to see a major movement of change for the better as we are sadly and especially from the outside view in pretty sorry shape overall, though a full conversation for another place clearly. However and the bush we keep beating around I believe in both the upcoming reshuffling of the Marvel and DC lines is relevant and this: Both comic companies are clearly acknowledging the decay of the moral center of the fanbase, not as a whole of course but large enough in part and regrettably in negatory action and revising the very nature of their material to a more saturated, political correct and friendly state akin to what was in place when the CCA had the lease firmly hand. Not as homogenized of course but the tonal shift in both houses is clearly there and also coincides with events in our wonderful culture doesn't it? Even if not a literal moral action on their part, though I have to believe as human beings and with some of their own best and brightest becoming victims themselves, that enough inside the industry must well be it's at least observable that their doing it to save the crafts reputation as a whole and perhaps try to avoid a hard endline that really not them nor any of us wants to see happen. Myself I think I'm too old that any of this has a drastic effect on me, like many my age I'm living in comics and games of the past anyways and also have distanced myself from the larger circles (I refer to as The City BTW, and this place as the nice Coffe Haus if that analogy makes sense?) due to having been on the same receiving end of the worst of our number and up front about being imbued with fear. Yet I still see the state of it and care, more than most maybe would understand, for what happens to the all of the many good ones in nerd culture present and future and to the unique and magical forms of arts that have held our hearts and captivated all our imaginations since our childhoods. Hopefully and respectfully this is concise enough but to harsh, it's obviously a if not the most sensitive subject in our culture or at least I think, and a very difficult one to broach without tip-toeing around eggshells so to speak. Clearly something that's been on my mind a lot but it's so hard to ignore and not care about though most time when I try to motion it I simply operate out of tender feelings and just end up venting and lashing, coming off us an outright mad hatter. But that's my piece, my two copper disks, what have you in case and the best explanation to where I stand and why I do.
@Spade: Ultimate U incorporates by the look of it. Most of the ahead solicits include Ultimate characters. That Universe was created by the folks who became the head architects of Marvel so it's easy to see them keeping their own creations in the game, likewise why they folded the two together in the first place (so Bendis can write Miles in 616 and so on). If you mean the physical place it's gone. As the reps stated " there is only Battleworld going forward ". So not technically gone but more neighboring. Both universes are now the new Manhattan. The first issue of Ultimate End I thought set the stage nicely imo.
I did check the numbers for last month.Star Wars by Marvel is first,then Convergence.Marvels original works arent near the first two.
Im guessing that Ultimate Nick Fury stays.Im cool with that.But if Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver start sleeping together...
Confession time: I dont like Ultimate universe.I almost hate it.
Like I said big picture and again a redundant point so my bad for bringing up the math. If we want to have a discussion about whether Marvel is copying DC that should be another topic or at least held in the DC thread. Likewise I won't be including myself because I think it's a dead horse and silly whatever it swings. Of course same goes for the state of affairs I guess but it is at least relevant to the upheaval of both companies lines so maybe it has a place when discussing the aesthetic changes taking place?
I'm not a fan on the basis that I could only afford one universe and opted out, so no real point of reference from me. I can't help but thinking this is more creators tailoring the books to suit themselves rather than the readers, protecting their own pet projects in this case, as well I never saw anyone demanding 616 and Ultimate be mashed together. In fact I'm pretty sure I saw the reader demand continuity be preserved? I guess maybe the big wigs at the House Of M see this as an ends to a means just as DC did so whatever, I'm not the one running their companies. I'm just happy printed comic books are still thing at any rate and I can read them every month. I would like to see more of the old Bullpen rules in play at Marvel again but hey, there's my wishes and there's what's going to happen so time to get eaten by the bar, ispo facto.
That was just trivia.I dont really care who sells more since they arent making me any money either way.
I blame Joe Quesada,for everything...
Bendis...was good.But hes kinda slipping for some time now.I mean John Byrne slipping.
I agree actually Spade. The only thing I do is that they both stay afloat and keep my beloved comics alive. So in my case I actually want the rivalry between them and again for the Inpendandants to be stronger. I would like to see Image have the kind of foothold they did in the 80's again especially the Top Cow end of it (I'm friends with Matt so I'm bias for my friend and want him and his family to have the best but there it is). So I guess I care enough that they break bread like I would for any person just not what fills their greed.
I'm not sure. It seems easy to blame Q and worse he takes it on himself. Like a President it's part of his job to put the weight on himself. Problems yet Marvel and as well the genre is stronger than it's ever been (I mean the movies we have now, gosh!) so he's done something right at least. The thing is and this is natural to most entrenched entertainers the architects really don't relate to us. They aren't everymen and most fall in the 1% or close to it. Most live in a bubble and only associate with people in their own profession rather than finding themselves in the back of some LCS playing Magic against the locals. That and the new rift between the content creators and fans which sorry to say again falls more on our end (some of our own attacked comic writers in their homes, my head is still grasping what's happening to us?). So I can excuse a bit because the nature of everything just seems set. The brat pack mentality though no, again the comics catering to the company rather than the fan and the fan being told " This is what you like now, deal with it " (Spider-man/MJ for example). Seems sometimes like customer service is a dead art, at least I'll say that's the case in America. Bendis I give some support to. I think he just stretched himself too thin though someone had to step into the position. Really they're all greats but maybe it's just time for a new regime in order to inject something fresh into the business. After all that seems to be the goal they're reaching for doesn't it? Then again convincing an old man he is obsolete is easier said then done, most will fight for their thrones to the death. Byrne, ha ha. Don't go there man. That's borderline obscenity to bring that one up dontcha' know (imagining JB with a giant hot air balloon head floating over the Land Of Oz). :P
Bendis is good on street level heroes,but give him a team or superpower and he falls apart.
Im not commenting his statements or anything,but Byrne was adamant in his belives that only he knows how ANY character works.And really messed up those he didnt like.Which is sadly something Im seeing a lott lately.
Seeing it a lot too. More of a superstar trend? Though that's a social trend isn't it especially in the digital age where Worthington's Law (pay grade equals personal value) is being replaced by Approval Rating (Likes, appraisal comments) and static action by stance. Not to say egalitarianism is the standard mind you, missing the bullseye has and will always be our natural state and being flawed is okay, beautiful even in it's way. But there's a tonal shift and I have to direct it to the Bullpen standard as well. Is it possible that becoming corporate has changed the way they relate? I mean when your union even your legally obligated to all sorts of measurement some boarding gag orders. You can't well come about and say " Yeah, that story was totally stupid. Sorry folks my bad, I was a having a crisis of faith and hitting the sauce a little too much that month ". Maybe in the Bullpen ear when Marvel owned themselves could they be so blatant and honest but now they're all under lock and key, most of them now working in the film (Bendis largely here) and animation sides of their respective industries, breaking big dollars and hanging with the stars (Great And Powerful Oz Effect). Somethings changed. I talk to many of these people as do most given this nice internet we have and sadly I feel most of the time I'm being lied to and like I'm speaking to a vacuum salesperson at my doorstep. Honesty does sell people, just ask the Girl Scouts. Again they are just human so passable though notable when trying to understand what it is they're selling us these days. Byrne again...easy target. Mean of me but when he just up and decided to try and rewrite Spider-man's history I was done with him. Then again we just saw an inwrite later so bar eat you I guess. They swear by all that but again " company men ", that's the way the monkey suit is zipped. Probably why I chat more with the Image people. They own themselves and don't have to beat around the bush when they speak. No ones going to fire them for what they say or do with their characters or tell them how this and that needs to be done.
Completely on Bendis as well. Age Of Ultron was one of the better things he did in awhile and the reason was obvious: It was What If Bendis Created The Marvel Universe? And naturally his MU was a grim and gritty city scape where all the street levelers were the center of attention. There's my evidence about him being spread too thin. Marvel for whatever reason takes a name when they get big and spreads them about like jam. Suddenly the writer and artist are on books that aren't necessarily a match for their style and suddenly they're tasked to do tons of books and event plotting. And anything else. I've never been told but by that I can assume they work on salary you know? Anyways so here we have an Avengers title everyone loathes, rightfully so because the team on the book isn't a match for it. But hey, NA is pretty good. Of course it is, that book is street characters that tailor to Bendis's style. I can do models and skopes for you fine because I'm versed in those things, toss me a map project and I'll hand you something taped together that looks like garbage. Again Bullpen difference here. The Bullpen assigned talent to what it was best at, not unlike baseball and it worked seamlessly for them. Fortunately Bendis "seems" to stepping back a little and shifting more into other divisions. He is really good as an adviser in their cinematic department, I mean the results speak for themselves there. Hence why I mean no insult but just think more of the old guard should be moved to other company ends and new blood brought in on the comics. That's just smart infrastructure when you think about it. Personally I just want him to get back to Scarlet because I'm selfish like that (easily one of his best though) but I'm not holding my breath. He also needs to stop dropping f-bombs in every interview. He'd tell me to f-off for saying that of course but really the mans a representative of a family entertainment company and that's all there is to it. No need to be a robotic schmuck all the time, Stan Lee pulled it off humble of course, but no need to act come out like a soused frat boy either. Though again both Marvel and DC seems to be restructuring on every level to match the current rapidly changed social climate (heck, even Sony has) so most of this probably doesn't matter and guys like Joe and Brian are probably going to be obsolete relics of yesterday soon as it is. The more things change.
I wish I could say somebody does it for the art,but letts be realistic: its all about the money,and it always was.
Something minor thats come to my attention.Marvel putts Jim Lees name EVERYWHERE.Most of X-men books credit him as the main artist,even if he only did 1-2 issues in the book.Not a big deal,just kinda unfair to some other artists.
Nothing wrong with that though. I mean it can water things down on our but people have to eat. Also when you have a hard working artist you just can't have them working a second job to make the ends meet else they'd never make their deadlines. Jim Lee sort of reinforces the point about " big name ". The DC reboot also comes to mind. Obviously many people put a lot of work into all that but when it launched every news site ran his name. His name just sells like that, same as Alex Ross, Bruce Timm and the last name Romita. It's bells and whistles some times when you read between the lines but whatever keeps the numbers above the drowning point I suppose. To his credit Lee pretty much drove that whole Heroes Reborn epic especially after Rob left early and to it's credit that gave life to many otherwise dead titles. He's capable when he needs to be I guess is the point and for whatever reason be it Marvel, Image, Wildstorm or DC the mans name just sells anything like adding adding bacon to it.
This reminds me...What did you guys think of Chris Claremonts Nightcrawler series?It ended a while back IIRC.
Wasn't a fan. Wasn't bad or anything but not captivating enough, dry I guess. He makes mention of current events especially involving Kurt of course but still writes overall like the story is stuck in 90's canon and it felt like it was contrasting at the time Marvel and X-Men books. Then again it was stacking up against a lot of titles and of events as usual. In my case I dropped by about issue six. Basically if your looking for something that reads like old Excaliber may be for you but there's better series to catch up on imo.
I found it kinda easy to relate to Kurt,since I also missed about 10 years of X-men. XD
I guess that was the intention?
I've meet Chris Claremont over the weekend at a comic con and he's not into comics like was in the past. He's more into writing his own stories. I can respect that.
Not sure whether I respect it but I can understand it. If I took up the craft I'd be apt to write or draw retroactively and everything would breath like the comics of my youth. It's easy enough to get though, Starlin writes the same way, comics and notably Marvel have changed vastly which of course we we're just talking about and myself I'm not even sure how I feel about the current state of things (particular the shape of what is the Marvel U at this time). I know I'm uncomfortable not really knowing where it's going though I don't deal well in surprises, I like everything to be stable and uniform so I can anticipate and prepare for it. I don't know what comics I'm getting from Marvel after SW in other words and that sort of bothers me. Likewise I can imagine CC looks at the current state of the Marvel U and just goes " Erm? Whatever. " and just does his own thing. Alex Ross has been pretty vocal about not liking how comics and characters are handled these days as well. I suppose that leaves the question whether all the radical reinvention is in what Marvel Comics needs and if it's what's good for the reader, all generations accounted for?
Chris Claremont has his way of writing.You cant blame him if it seems a bit dated.But yeah,hes not at his peak,sadly.
Happens. I can't work three jobs and go four days without sleep anymore either. Also I don't get the music of " kids these days ". I'm not one to diss it however just because I don't feel it, it's music either way, but it's simply past me I'm a relic as far as that's concerned. Totally comfortable in that fact, we all have to get out of the way eventually.
Quote from: SickAlice on June 08, 2015, 07:38:12 PM
Happens. I can't work three jobs and go four days without sleep anymore either. Also I don't get the music of " kids these days ". I'm not one to diss it however just because I don't feel it, it's music either way, but it's simply past me I'm a relic as far as that's concerned. Totally comfortable in that fact, we all have to get out of the way eventually.
I'd argue that point. ;)
Yeah, I must be getting old; I feel the same way about some stuff.
I like it. Childhood was a confusing time for me. Adulthood offers stability and comfort, I pretty much know exactly where I'll be whether it's tomorrow or three years from now. But if I ever become one that walks out in my front yard and yells something like " Those darn kids today by gosh it all! " feel free to ship me to the glue factory. My generation used to go on about how we would never be like the old one, like we would grow up and be all Bill S, Preston ESQ. and Ted Theodore Logan yet sadly see most of my former posse fallen right into the cranky habits they said they never would. " Filled out his job application with Crayons? No, of course we won't hire him. I never. ". Nope, none for me. I'll be all about the fun till the day I die.
Ok if everyone admited they are old... XD
I like Chris Claremont,but he can get a bit hard to read.Purple prose,bunch of thought bubbles,explaining power.
Almost every single issue of X-men takes time to explain Wolverines powers.In X-men #1 Cykes explaines them to Wolverine himself.
When you read it in a bulk,it can just be a chore.I know some people will probaly hate me for saying this.
Alright guys, let give Chris a break. His ears are probably burning from us talking about him. :D
Some news about Post Secret Wars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKKfmNf5WFk
http://marvel.com/news/comics/24701/invincible_iron_man_live_chat
Ghost Racers is pretty much Twisted Metal the comic.
Quote from: Spade on June 10, 2015, 06:11:52 PM
Ghost Racers is pretty much Twisted Metal the comic.
NICE!!! :ghostrider: :jeyrox
Killsville brings GTA to mind.Vice City in particular.Considering Siege is advertised as Nights Watch up to 11,and Squadron Sinister as Sons of Anarchy with superpowers...I would say that any similarity to other works of fiction is purely intentional. XD
They're definitely trying to diversify as far as genre's go, I'd wager an edict was even passed along at one of the retreats. The plot of Ghost Racers is frighteningly close to Death Race (2008). Speaking of old X-Men stuff loved the 2nd issue of X-Men '92. They could have hired this guy to write a direct continuation of XMTAS and I would have been perfectly happy with it.
Spoiler
Using Cassandra Nova to reenact the stringent dialogue censorship the original cartoon was known for was a brilliant idea.
Ultimate End #2 was decent, still saying this is as essential as the main series itself to getting the story in. Or at least if a person is craving the original mainstays it's where to find them. Bendis writes a good Tony Stark, the exchanges between the two almost seem like he'd drawing from his own current self (Bendis) speaking to his younger self. Journal #2 is a mix bag as always. The first story (Killsville) didn't captivate me. Like with Battleworld basically they're using this to give a short preview of another book, in this case MODOK Assassin, which I consider a waste of printed page. Sell me an intended comic, keep previews elsewhere. This preview also didn't really speak for what you'll actually be reading in the MODOK book anyways. The second story is about Sinister and his nasty domain. Great story reminiscent of old anthology thriller stories and more reinforcement that SW Sinister is awesome and as diabolical as the character should always have been. Picked up Marvel Zombies on a whim even though I was going to overlook it because I'm an Elsa fan. Didn't disappoint. SW Bloodstone is immediately up there with Shang-Chi for me as far as awesome and fun to read characterization goes. She's so cold and tough she makes Frank Castle look friendly, people that like gritty Ennis-type vigilante comics should give this series a look as well as Emma Frostaphiles. Inferno #2 reads the same as the first, nothing changed there. Still " digestible " but nothing that blows me out of my seat. Basically a great comic if your big on Colossus. And I got my Shiklah on wasn't let down there whatsoever. Shiklah is my favorite SW character. It's even fun to say the name. " Shhhhhiiiiiiiklaaaaaaah! " Didn't get to anything else. Took some Benadryl after a hard days work and blacked out.
Yes,X-men 92 was great.Watch EVERYONE at the Institute.Cameos.
Inferno continues the story.Which is still just okay.
Journal mostly reminds us that Sinister is a monster.Arcade isnt far behind,either.
IMO MODOK was nothing special.Basicly hes a GTA player.XD
I found Inhumans interesting.Whole concept of the Quiet room seems pretty important.
Nobody likes Greenland in-universe.Wonder why...
I can't find X-men 92 comic anywhere. Is it an online only thing?
Its digitally released.
It will be printed,but I dont know the date.
The printed version is given a " summer " release date at this time which places it as far out as July. It's a one-shot I think that compiles the digital shorts so likely held off as not to spoil the online content. Seriously though that one was a shot in the date. It either would do the animated series or fall flat, luckily it the high mark.
I wasn't drawn in by MODOK, but like I said before I'm not interested in the character nor style of the book so that was a given for me. I got the first like most to give it the benefit of a doubt but probably won't follow up with it. Like the style of Inhumans: AR a lot as well. Very elegant approach in that series and the characters feel authentic. Speaking of authentic characterization 2099 #2 was a step up in that department. Black Widow 2099 is also entering my list of most entertaining SW characters. 2nd Spider-verse issue read a little better than the first issue (I just got done playing the Spider-verse Ops in MAA before reading it though so it's possible I was swayed by hype). More going in it than the first though like the first Gwen's part drags out pretty far and characters like UK and India get bare bones attention, so that's give or take depending on how you roll. Still have Weirdworld and 1602 Angela in the pile. Excited about the latter and hope it measures up, don't care about Weirdworld but giving it a shot though more or less because I read that Le Fay stars in it. I'd like to save those and take a break to read my DC books and the new Lady Death issue though. Get a little ill spending too much time in Battleworld. How many months again? Yeah, I can see myself being a huge tired grump months out once the event fatigue takes full hold, lol.
A bit of ramble about Captain Marvel. I leafed through Carol Corps and got bored with it and closed it again. There was an expectation and led in much by the solicits and interviews that we were getting Carol and this neat team thing that commemorates Carols past. As of issue one though this is just a revisit more or less to DeConnick's Banshee Squadron story from volume 7. A rag tag group of military officers and a day in their life. If you like army/airforce stuff than you'll probably be down for it. I think DeConnick writes good but I have an off with her CM volumes I should put on the table here: I'm for empowerment and equal rights, however DeConnick pushes is way too hard with this series by illustrating that the majority of living persons in Carol Danvers world are women and any (occasional) men are either distanced acquaintances though more usually villains. Mostly the enemies are also female and even the life on other planets is predominately female. First off this is obviously unrealistic but being as it's a comic I can't hold it to that standard. As a long time Carol fan and reader I can hold it to the fact that that isn't Carol Danvers. Carol as I've grown with her has had a long life with positive working relationships with men. In fact shes most often shown to look up to Mar-Vell for inspiration. DeConnick however seems to be washing any of this history from her character and I don't think it's for agenda nor does it actually serve to push a positive. I think it's laziness, partly in that this version of Carol mirrors anything Kelly Sue has to say of her own-self and more so in part that rather than tackle diverse and established character in the Marvel line she opted to create her own cast most of whom are again close to her own personality and thought process. The Secret Wars comic read basically like 100% that. I called it on laziness because I have seen and know that she can diversify her writing and put herself in the head space of someone who contrasts herself, without making them an antagonist or pushing an agenda. And really if your looking for the feminist message done right G.W.W already does it properly and without overbaking it in A-Force. Heck I'll even say Elsa in Marvel Zombies is a much better example of woman empowerment and more 3-dimesional when it comes to standing up to a history of pattern abuse and suffrage. Not saying DeConnick stinks or something mind you, quite the opposite. @$&* Planet is great to me for example and $3 was my pick for best comic of it's month. But I don't think she's doing Carol Danvers " correctly " if that makes sense. Sometimes writers aren't a match to certain characters. Also I think she falls in what we were talking about before were a " name " will sell a book often regardless of whether the person is right for it's climate or not. It would be well enough as a stand alone but when I try and line it up with the previous volumes and books where Carol was a key player it just doesn't line up. Sorry and no offense to people who love her writing, I respect all of you and your reasons for liking but these are the reasons this specific work of hers doesn't appeal to me. I though to spell it out since it's a little complex on my end than with most comics and I didn't want to misrepresent myself on this one due to being vague.
Thors - I was expecting Green Lantern Corps,but I got LAPD.Because when you say Thor,forensics is the first thing that comes to mind.And they had to say: I AM THOR!
Deadpools Secret SW - First issue was better.It had Doop.
Squadron Sinister is the only thing left to read.I hope its better than these.
I have a tall stack of comics waiting for me. I just need to find some time to read them all
There I went rambling again. Anyways short of that was imo DeConnick is a good writer but I think her Carol is over rated and especially doesn't read like Carol (usually what it's given credit for) rather like she dismissed Danver's character and instead just scripted up her own version. Her Deathbird version pretty much sums it up.
Thors was unusual. CSI: Asgard. Pretty much. Was expecting NOW Thor here but Ultimate Thor is the main character for anyone wondering what the skinny is. It's a detective mystery book basically, same as Iron Armor Wars is. This book does make great use of the little details of Battleworld like the lingo and such and of ones from Thor mythos. The writer is clearly doing their homework in other words. The death scene touched me a little as well but that's one of my long time favorite characters (shhhh!).
Angela 1602 was decent. Basically reads exactly as continuation of the Angela series but with a different theme laid over it.
Deadpool reads as a Deadpool book. It's a rip on the original Secret Wars series with Wade providing the rips. I enjoy this for the break from the otherwise event fatigue but Ms.Deadpool is better, funnier, edgier and sexier.
Squadron Sinister reads like the New 52 Crime Syndicate. That isn't to say it's clefted as the concept itself is old as dirt. The concept being old as dirt and something I've read and or watched a hundred times in life is the drawback of the read. It's hard to read the same story again and feel surprised obviously. Else it's fun. Expect to see some of your old favorite characters show up here (if you've seen my site you know where I was at here)...and get no respect given to them, lol. It get's an " okay " from me but isn't thrilling.
Weirdworld actually surprised me. Suggested read to anyone. It lives up to it's moniker " weird " but not in a silly sense. It's an avant-garde and fresh story and the artist chosen fits it perfectly. The story literally lives in it's own realm.
Old Man Logan #2 actually surprised me. I won't give away the spoiler here but I had little interest in this and instead I'm interested now. I may be made into a believer here yet.
Sparse week really. I haven't read any of the ongoing ones yet and DC got more love from me this week. Going to leave Battleworld to catch up there for awhile albeit a slow pace.
I agree.Squadron Sinister is the Crime Syndicate,in all but names.
I believe I mentioned it,but I'm trying to catch up with around 10 years of X-men.Messiah war was actually great.Bishop becoming evil doesnt make much sense,but other then that its all good.Finale reminds me why Apocalypse is so cool. :thumbup:
I normally don't push the follow the leader agenda but to believe that Marvel looked at the sales of Forever Evil and said " something like that " and did it isn't implausible here. Though nothing shocking as the comic industry and very genre itself is the culmination of following trends.
MW is one of the better X-Men eras. Surprisingly as at the time the idea of Wolverine leading a team, or X-23 (her epic moment got a loud booyah from me) and Hope were snubbed by most as bad ideas yet ended up driving it. And nothing like Apocalypse done right. Looks like that's one service SWS may be providing. The Bishop thing was as out of the blue as the death (not even keeping count how many times that was for him ) and immediate resurrection of Xavier though that was more on Civil War and tracks over to Endangered Species. Bishop did make for a compelling Cable villain though as he was a believable threat. Else most was summarized in Life And Times Of Lucas Bishop. In short his childhood led to him being perpetually awol and a paranoid delusional which while that doesn't line up with later character development it does sort of jive with his introduction. The artwork through the whole series was also very good as was Necrosha despite that story arc being sort of half baked.
Uncanny X-Force was also great.All of the newer incarnations were good.I like that Forge is back after his mad scientist phase.Thou he did have a point there...Sadly,none of them have the original team.I liked John Francis Moores run and that is probably the best incarnation.I would kill to see something like that again.Iv been told some of the storylines carry on.So I might even try Uncanny Avengers.
Yeah, UA pretty much trials right off from Remenders X-Force. If you like his story there you'll enjoy UA as well.
I actually haven't picked up a book in forever and a day, but was kind of considering trying to get my hands on the "Squadron Sinister". "Supreme" or "Sinister", I've always been a "Squadron" fan. Is this a bad read, or is there any entertainment value to it?
Quote from: Cyber Burn on June 19, 2015, 12:03:20 AM
I actually haven't picked up a book in forever and a day, but was kind of considering trying to get my hands on the "Squadron Sinister". "Supreme" or "Sinister", I've always been a "Squadron" fan. Is this a bad read, or is there any entertainment value to it?
Since it's part of Marvel's Battleworld, "Squadron Sinister" is the match-up between the "Supreme" universe (the Ultimate-ized versions) and the classic "Squadron Supreme" universe team. I thought it was pretty good for a tie-in series which probably merges both teams into a new version in the post-Secret Wars Earth.
- CQ
If you like Squadron stuff you'll probably like it though without dropping to much you may also be upset with something that happens. I still give it a " waves hand near sternum ". An okay read but nothing spectacular. Just your straightforward bad guy team book. Noting that's a judgement on issue #1 which was mostly set-up. I had a lesser opinion of OML #1 (adding here I was disgusted by the original) but #2 turned me onto it. If you can drop the dime why not cause " comics " else I'd wait to see where the hype meter stands by #3.
Very cool. If I can get a ride within the next couple of days, I'll try to hit the Comic Shop and pick up Issue #1. Definitely appreciate the responses. :thumbup:
I like the idea of it, but the reasoning is really stupid
http://www.thecomicbookcast.com/miles-morales-becomes-the-main-spiderman-after-secret-wars/
It's probably just the site, but I'm hoping Marvel had plenty of reasons for doing this, not just the one that was stated.
Runaways 1- Bully(the game).Is there any work of fiction that isnt implemented into Battleworld?And no Runaway characters other then Molly Hayes,the Scrappy.Bucky Barnes,the Hall Monitor has a certain ring to it,thou.
Old Man Logan 2- Its mini AoA.Not that neccesary since we have actual AoA coming up,but okay.
E is for Extinction Its bad IMO.They mostly make fun of New X-men.Like they havent done that already?They also tried to imitate the artwork,but fail miserably.It just looks so bad.
Infinity Gauntlet #2 Its a setup for #3.But I think it will really hit the fan then.
Korvac Saga There isnt much to be said about this one.Looks promising.
Planet Hulk #2 Steve meets up with Doc Green.And they hike thru the jungle.Actually more interesting then it sounds.
MODOK #2 I see where this story is going.Its X-Force: Sex and Violence,but without sex or realistic violence.
Lol. Scratch all the long winded ranty stuff I typed earlier. I just read that Captain Marvel is getting a reboot after SW and DeConnick is out. So my concern about the continuity and writer are both moot now. Catching up on my SW stuff, sparse releases this week though I'm burnt out as is my bank account (lawn mower needs parts) so that's cool. I'll weigh in later.
@JeyNyce: Sort of. Miles is slated to be " the " Spider-man of " the " Avengers after SWS right now. Though if I'm reading SWS correctly there isn't a " main " character concept in play anymore, rather there can be multiple of any given character. If it's true that this status quo sticks going forward as Marvel put it then I imagine that would stay the same as well. In other words there could well be two or more Spider-man all on equal footing by the end of this.
I love comics and I love Marvel but rebooting the books again?? You just started a couple of new series and you want to reboot them again.....ugh! The sad thing is that I will be picking them up no matter what.
http://comicbook.com/2015/06/29/marvel-announces-45-all-new-all-different-series/
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 30, 2015, 04:26:51 PM
I love comics and I love Marvel but rebooting the books again?? You just started a couple of new series and you want to reboot them again.....ugh!.
Yup, It's the horrible fact that.. post-Secret Wars.. We are getting ALL NEW series with this clean slate which merges elements and characters from Battleworld into one world. This is permanent.. Earth 616 and Ultimate Earth and all of the other alternates were wiped out. The new Earth is Battleworld but restored into completely new timeline.
Note: I would be sooooo much happier if we got a full on CLEAN SLATE reboot with just the characters from all kinds of different realities being dumped into an Earth picked from some period in time where no heroes, mutants, or aliens had ever discovered it. Sure they did something like this with Heroes Reborn (*shutters* We all know how bad of a train wreck that turned out) but in the right team hands it could work. HOWEVER, It looks like Marvel just sat down creative teams in their offices and then let folks pick characters from the Marvel character pool and then just shove them into whatever dream team they wanted.. then Editorial has to weave everything into one single whole universe. I'm hoping for the best.. expecting lots of titles to crash and burn.. just like DC's New 52 Did.
- CQ
Notice Deadpool and X-23 in a lott of places.
BTW,if you want to see relaunch done good I point you to Valiant.Actually I will just point you to Valiant.
X-men 92 #3 and WMD #2 were both great,btw.
Did anybody see Spider-Woman #1?
Jessica Drew is noticeably pregnant. I can see a lot of "Is Spider-man the father?" jokes in this.
Quote from: crimsonquill on June 30, 2015, 05:02:06 PM
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 30, 2015, 04:26:51 PM
I love comics and I love Marvel but rebooting the books again?? You just started a couple of new series and you want to reboot them again.....ugh!.
Yup, It's the horrible fact that.. post-Secret Wars.. We are getting ALL NEW series with this clean slate which merges elements and characters from Battleworld into one world. This is permanent.. Earth 616 and Ultimate Earth and all of the other alternates were wiped out. The new Earth is Battleworld but restored into completely new timeline.
Note: I would be sooooo much happier if we got a full on CLEAN SLATE reboot with just the characters from all kinds of different realities being dumped into an Earth picked from some period in time where no heroes, mutants, or aliens had ever discovered it. Sure they did something like this with Heroes Reborn (*shutters* We all know how bad of a train wreck that turned out) but in the right team hands it could work. HOWEVER, It looks like Marvel just sat down creative teams in their offices and then let folks pick characters from the Marvel character pool and then just shove them into whatever dream team they wanted.. then Editorial has to weave everything into one single whole universe. I'm hoping for the best.. expecting lots of titles to crash and burn.. just like DC's New 52 Did.
- CQ
1.Secret Wars isn't over yet, so we don't know what's going to happen to Battleworld or what the main outcome's going to be. Plus, I've heard that Battleworld's actually going to stick around after Secret Wars, but as a place seperate from the main MU, so there's that.
2.From the many different solicits going around, it seems like this is less of a reboot, and more of just a few select AU characters being transferred over to the main MU, which still looks like the main MU we've known for the past 50+ years as opposed to being an actual honest-to-gosh reboot. I'm betting that when all's said and done, the 'new' MU will be nearly virtually indistinguishable from the previous MU in terms of what's gone before, to the point where it might as well be the same one. As for the upcoming relaunch, while there's a bunch of changes going on, that's because they're skipping ahead 8 months as opposed to rebooting. Big difference there.
I understand what you mean, but when I said reboot, I meant that they are starting over with issue number 1. Spider-woman nor Spider-Gwen didn't even make it to their 10th issue and their books are being reset to issue 1
Quote from: kkhohoho on June 30, 2015, 10:17:52 PM
1.Secret Wars isn't over yet, so we don't know what's going to happen to Battleworld or what the main outcome's going to be. Plus, I've heard that Battleworld's actually going to stick around after Secret Wars, but as a place seperate from the main MU, so there's that.
Wouldn't shock me that Battleworld becomes the NEW counter-Earth.. and remains the base of Doom with whomever decides to remain with him.
- CQ
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 30, 2015, 10:24:21 PM
I understand what you mean, but when I said reboot, I meant that they are starting over with issue number 1. Spider-woman nor Spider-Gwen didn't even make it to their 10th issue and their books are being reset to issue 1
Oh.. uhmmm.. NEVERMIND my previous comments. :doh: I was thinking reboot in the Marvel sense not the Comic Issue sense. :unsure:
- CQ
So I just got caught up in my comics, and I have something I've been meaning to say:
In all of the discussion of the recent developments in All-New X-Men you all buried the lead on the
real story.
Spoiler
Elixir is back! He hasn't gotten to do much but he's back! I was genuinely surprised when I reached that final page reveal; I had no idea who those characters were going to be!
So with the new books revealed, few assorted comments from me:
1) New Avengers with Wiccan, Hulkling and Songbird. WOO! Is Al Ewing any good?
2) Uncanny X-Men with art by *sigh* Greg Land.
3). I've been meaning to ask. Why do all of Quicksilver's new costumes suck? We go from mustard yellow to snowboarder gear to a guldarn fast-forword symbol on his chest. What part of "light blue with lightning-bolt motif" is so hard to get? It's bad enough Rick Remender consistently writes him as Spider-Man.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on July 01, 2015, 01:03:55 AM
Is Al Ewing any good?
He's more than good; he's freaking amazing. He's been writing Mighty Avengers for the last couple of years, and it's been the best Avengers run I've seen in a long while. The writing's good, the characters are likeable and interesting, and whenever the art's not done by Greg Land, it's phenomenal. But most importantly, it's got that classic Avengers 'feel' that's been mostly missing since Bendis took over, despite barely having any iconic Avengers characters in it. It's a modern classic, and I'd really recommend going back and checking it out. (Thanks to Secret Wars, it's unfortunately done now, kind of. Ultimates, which will be written by Ewing, will several of the same characters as in his Mighty run, so it might be a follow-up to that despite not sharing the 'Avengers' name.)
Ultimate End #3 Is this gonna be Punisher kills the Ultimate universe sort of thing?Actually Im not sure which Punisher survived.
YoFP #2 A lott of exposition then Doom Sentinels bust in.Cue dramatic music...
X-Tinction Agenda #2 This was great.Liked the Bishop cameo.He still has hair. :)
Secret Wars #4 Well Stephen,that went well...Melee a Trois of sort?
Red Skull #1 It start like Suicide Squad,but ends with a Terminator quote.Still,better then expected.
Honestly and I'll have to cross that road when we get to it but I'm pretty excited about All New All Different. The large complaint here is it's a steer from continuity. However I feel in recent times especially in regards to the NOW and Avengers NOW labels Marvel has already drifted much from what it's characters traditionally were as is to the point of convolution and the ANAD initiative looks much more streamlined and focused. That and the talent worked in there. Most of the books look appealing. They're keeping A-Force and Miles which were givens and both fine by me especially as I think they have the right writers in place. Pak on Hulk works for me. Carol is getting an overhaul and Tara Butters which clearly is in my favor. Dr.Strange is getting a series which I want. Angela and Spider-woman are staying which works as they're top picks for me right now. I was iffy on the idea of a Wanda solo but I have faith in Robinson. Lemire on the core X-Men title? Count me in. I read his ideas for it and he really gets the dynamic of the X-Men. SM 2099 and Peter David return which is awesome, I don't understand why they kept that a secret really. Hell yes to Soule on Daredevil. More Soule, Ewing, Humphries, Robinson, Lemire, Bunn, Hopeless and Dugan is okay. They have a real nice bullpen formed this time around. Nice to see the big names aren't going to be hogging all the hot titles anymore. Indifferent to Slott staying on SM though that was also a given. He really brought out some cool stories but I think he's past his due date with it and the character needs someone more energetic (Christos Gage would be perfect imo after reading SW Spider-Island). On the other hand there's going to be more than enough Spider-man to choose from and Dan may surprise me here. Nice to see Carnage getting a shot. Overall this looks acceptable to me. Bendis on GOTG is probably my only meh.
@Spade: I think it was the Time Runs Out Punisher? That is the characters that aren't exactly from 616 but from moments before Battleworld occurred. It took me a bit to wrap my head on around " 616 Manhattan " but SW#4 sort of unfogged that for me.
@Alice Not in a metaphysical sense.I dont know which one of the 2 is this guy. :rolleyes:
Punisher sits in a room,then another Punisher,dressed exactly the same,walks in a shoots him.Its just hard to tell them apart.
Age of Apocalypse #1 was great btw.Nicieza never disappoints,truly. :thumbup:
Whole ANAD Marvel-its really hard to tell how its gonna turn out.
Warren Ellis will be interesting with Karnak,probably.
Tom Taylor(Injustice) on Wolverine...that doesn't really raise any hope.
Seeing Jeff Lemires work for Valiant,I'm totally up for him writing X-men.Uncanny X-men are a strange beast...Lineup is basically Brotherhood.And no mather what.Sabretooth is still the guy who ate babies,so...
And Ultimates will be a PROACTIVE superhero team.Oh boy...not that again...
Something I wanted to talk about in my catching up with X-men.I know it could offend some people,but Im speaking only about the COMIC,and don't want to discuss politics.
Cyclops compares Utopias position to Iraq.But because they REALLY do have WMDs(themselves),that actually a deterrent to an invasion.His words,not mine.And Captain America is all too happy when they are doing his job and "fighting the good fight".Only later to barge(full 'MURICA mode) and demands Cyclops to hand over his daughter.Yeah,Steve,you demanded from a leader of sovereign nation to hand over his child to you.Smooth.When that fails(Surprisingly),it results in basically an American invasion.Now,ignoring the fact this is the first time Avengers give a crap for X-men business,what was the point of a story?Not-so-subtle political satire/comment?Notion that Avengers play the World Cop in Marvel universe?
It's not offensive. A lot of people had that issue with AvsX immediately. I already spelled out how I hate when Marvel pushes political agendas, though I suppose counter-terrorism and U.S. pride is still better than having to read fracking stories, lol. If I wanted to watch the news I wouldn't be reading comics then. At any rate the first half of AvsX was a steaming heap of contrived garbage anyways. They could have shoved it out in one to two comics and moved onto the Phoenix 5 stuff no prob. The " big fights " weren't even worth it since most equated to bulky exposition with the fight finally happening, one character winning via Deus ex Machina then striking a pose and saying something witty. Bleh. No surprise it irritated anyone yourself included here. If you not through the whole thing expect many more feelings like this to happen sorry to say.
If the point of the story was political satire,it wasnt subtle.At all.
That,or in hindsight,and just sight,Avengers come of as jerks.Yes,Cyclops is the bad guy.For stoping wars,and feeding the hungry.Cant have that now,can we?
^ For the record, Hope is Cable's (adopted) daughter, not Cyclops'. Cable was temporarily dead at the time so she was hanging out with the X-Men.
Ah, yes, AVX. Not sure you were around here back then, but when it came out, a lot of us criticized it for being contrived and having the Avengers act like jerks. And the omnipotent, world-problem solving thing was not handled particularly well. Not sure how far you are in AVX, but when members of the Phoenix Five actually cross the line and do bad stuff, its made abundantly clear. Like you said, not subtle, at all.
I've always felt Schism and AVX were both contrived "holding the conflict ball" stories that the writers just had to get out of the way so they can get to the next plot point/status quo. As such, I've never really held it against the creative teams, since most of them were usually great elsewhere (sorry Bendis ;) )
As Marvel and DC tend to repeat themselves with some plots, if you want an example of AVX done better(though without the Avengers), one example would be the first two arcs of Cable & Deadpool (it went for a decidedly more Jesus metaphor though. The working title for the 2nd arc was, I kid you not, "Passion of the Cable")
Speaking of Deadpool, Marvel just announced a Deadpool/Spider-Man team-up book by classic Deadpool creative team Joe Kelly and Ed Mcguinness. They apparently haven't said if it's an ongoing or mini yet.
I'm going to confess an unpopular opinion: I don't really like the original Joe Kelly run of Deadpool that much. Oh, I like things about it: the steady supporting cast, Deadpool struggling to be a hero (another plot that gets repeated again and again), the interaction with Cable, and the serious drama and character along with the humor. But I'm not a big fan of Kelly's humor. I was always more fond of Simone's and Fabian Niceiza's. (Incidentally, I feel the same way about Giffen/DeMatteis JLI, which is probably more blasphemous). But I've found Kelly did some great work on Spider-Man during Brand New Day, and the issue with Deadpool was a genuine hoot, so I'd probably pick this up if it's a mini. Plus McGuiness as a artist really grew on me in recent years. If it's an ongoing, I'm not sure. There's a LOT of Deadpool comics since the 2009 boom and there's a lot I haven't read (I never finished Way's run), so I don't think I need to pick it up monthly, though it's a creative team I have more confidence in than most of the others (Duggan's run seems to be good).
I used the term daughter for the sake of simplicity.Anyway,Summers family tree is complicated. :wacko:
Gillens run on Uncanny was actually good until it derails into AvX.There was really a lott of potential there.Most powerful X-team EVER for one.Namor was great,liked him.
-The story for one ignores that Rachel is still around.W&X-men tries to make some sense of that,but they just kinda gave up...
-Tony Stark has a Phoenix detector.How?Why?Where was it for the past 20 years?Phoenix is coming to Earth to restore Mutant race,destroying planets along the way.Why is it necessary for it to barrel thru planets on the way here?And how does Tony even know about that destruction?Skrulls sent him a Snapchat?
And for all his "expertise" Tony still throws an Iron Man suit at it,which creates the Phoenix Force etc.People make fun of Reed Richards for his screw ups and being the resident dumb genius,but hes got nothing on Tony. :doh:
-I made fun of Captain America before,but actually hes an okay guy.So invading a sovereign nation?Interment camps?Bit out of characters,right?
-But it gets worst.The two brainiacs don't consult any actual experts,including several former host of Phoenix.No,they go to Wolverine. :thumbup:
Who just had a huge fight with Cyclops.It just escalates from there.
By the time the dust settles,most of these plots are pretty much forgotten,anyway.
Lol. Like I said it's going to be rife with moments you'll enjoy. Best moment and probably issue I'll give it is the Spider-man one. The Sinister stuff in the second half is also pretty good. Else I pretty much decided that and Schism were caused by Hope stealing Cyclops's rocket pack. It sounds silly but it's right there on panel and makes more sense than the reasons they tried to feed us. I mean kid displays some rebellious behavior, kids elders go a bit overboard on the proactive end, everyone else gets involved and somehow we arrive at the point of legislature all because a teen did something any normal teen would do? Ha, hows that for subtle poli-discourse!
All that stuff was " sort of " explained though not for better. The Rachel stuff is dropped in here and there over the course of multiple X-Men arcs, mainly the whole space epic against Vulcan and in a Phoenix handbook that come out shortly before Hope's arrival in the present tense. Tony having anti-mutant tech came up in X-Sanction where Cable tried to get ahead of this very happening by going to war with the Avengers, though if you think it's idiotic that Tony would have that you haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg. Not really a bad spoiler imo here but after all is said and done expect Tony to blamed for all of this in his own books because you know, Tony Stark Card. Personally I almost passed on it when it came out and kind of regret dropping as much cash on it as I did. I really regret Schism but frankly that one was so bad I don't even want to delve into it.
Him having anti-mutant tech(like Sentinels or something) is somewhat plausible.Him having a Phoenix detector.Thats hard to believe.Its just- They didnt even care.
But,Tony is big in the movies,so no karma for him.(See:Superior Iron Man)
In something similar we have Red Skull eating Xaviers brain.Classy. <_<
Oh yeah,and there is this exchange.My favourite bit of dialogue since well ever:
Wolverine: You killed Professor Xavier!
Cykes: You killed thousands of peolpe!
W: Oh Yeah?!Well I didnt kill anyone important. :blink:
Personally, I like to consider this story 'Civil War 2.0', which tells you just how bad it was. The heroes are fighting each other -- again -- over a contrived and rather stupid reason -- again -- and instead of acting like mature, sensible adults, they're instead essentially little kids in a sandbox fighting over who gets to play in it. AGAIN. Granted, the fine details aren't quite the same, but at their core, they're both stories that try to be both political, as well as get some fan-service-fueled fights in. Honestly, if I wanted some fan-service-fueled fights, I'd just play Freedom Force. ;)
And adding to the sandbox analogy for AvX, Captain America is the kid who thinks that he and his own band of kids needs the sandbox more; Cyclops is the kid already in the sandbox who refuses to give it up or compromise; Iron Man is the kid who tries to intervene and patch things up but only makes the whole situation worse; and Hope&Wolverine are the kids who have had enough of this and just leave the sandbox for greener pastures.
Quote from: kkhohoho on July 13, 2015, 03:31:37 PM
And adding to the sandbox analogy for AvX, Captain America is the kid who thinks that he and his own band of kids needs the sandbox more; Cyclops is the kid already in the sandbox who refuses to give it up or compromise; Iron Man is the kid who tries to intervene and patch things up but only makes the whole situation worse; and Hope&Wolverine are the kids who have had enough of this and just leave the sandbox for greener pastures.
Little Marvel AvX actually takes that analogy and runs with it.Its bloody hilarious. :thumbup:
Quote from: Spade on July 13, 2015, 03:36:43 PM
Quote from: kkhohoho on July 13, 2015, 03:31:37 PM
And adding to the sandbox analogy for AvX, Captain America is the kid who thinks that he and his own band of kids needs the sandbox more; Cyclops is the kid already in the sandbox who refuses to give it up or compromise; Iron Man is the kid who tries to intervene and patch things up but only makes the whole situation worse; and Hope&Wolverine are the kids who have had enough of this and just leave the sandbox for greener pastures.
Little Marvel AvX actually takes that analogy and runs with it.Its bloody hilarious. :thumbup:
I know. I was actually going to edit my post quick and add that in there, though I guess there's not much need to now. Curses! Foiled again!
(Though it
was bloody hilarious. :lol:)
Heh, bucky bear.
The thing is, I like the RESULTS of AvX, but the book itself was garbage. The central conflict was something that could have been legitimate, but they took it to such absurd lengths that it just got stupid. That plus the whole "____ VS ____" tally thing they had was constantly undercutting whatever seriousness the book was managing to pull off. But that said, what came out of it... a Captain America who was trying to better integrate mutants into the Avengers and get them into the public eye, a Cyclops who splintered off and became basically the new Magneto, basically a reboot for the X-books in general... that all worked for me.
And to be fair, there were elements in AvX that did work, they were just scattered so thin I didn't care for them. In particular, I like how the battle lines came down with the X-men... on average, it was the X-men who had been exposed to non-human characters the most (Wolverine, Beast, etc) who either side with the Avengers to start with or who defect later in the series. The most staunch proponents of the X-men are the ones more or less isolated from human teams... most notably Cyclops. It underlines the fundamental failure of the Xavier School: I want humans and mutants to be able to live together in peace, so I created a place where some mutants will never have been exposed to humans other than when humans attack us, thus causing them to constantly live in fear of humans.
Im risking being boring here but anyway...
Vol.3 of Uncanny X-men Bendis..what can I say? Emma actually calls out Tony Stark for being the idiot who started and escalated the whole AvX mess.Emma Frost-my spirit animal. :)
Tony at least had an excuse(massive brain damage cause by year of alcoholism and drug abuse), but others are just morons for the sake of being morons.Spider-man getting the beating of his life was strangely satisfying.If anyone deserved a punch in the face,its Peter Parker. <_<
Hawkeye is mad at Cyclops for killing Chuck?Seriously,dude,HAVE YOU EVEN MEET CHARLES XAVIER?Like,ever? :huh: And this comes from a guy who spent AvX flinging arrows at Emma's diamond form. Point being... at last,somebody points out that Avengers were morons.
And police is beating up mutants in the streets...again,not subtle if it was meant to be satire. <_<
X-men update,if anyone cares. :P
Kinda weird that for most part nobody call out Scarlet Witch for killing 2 MILLION people?And I thought Tony got off easy for everything.
Anyway...Jason Aaron does a good job on Wolverine and X-men.He liked Kid Omega a bit too much,thou.Quentins funny-anarchist tendencies are sometimes funny,but mostly not that much. :mellow:
Eh? Don't want to spoil it but Children's Crusades. Get Out Of Jail free cards all around as usual lets put it that way. The Wanda thing will get pushed in other books but not hard and you know the score which is Wanda has a lot of fans so like Wolverine or Magneto the other cheek turns and that's the bottom line. It makes no sense from a logic standpoint but really when do comics ever. Just repeat the MST3K Mantra and you'll be fine. Tony will be blamed later for killing the Phoenix, in his series he's actually known as The Phoenix Killer through out the universe. I couldn't figure that one out anymore than I could figure out why he was blamed for the Age Of Ultron happening but...The Tony Card, never leave 616 without it I guess? WATXM did way more for me then I thought it would coming out the gate. Bendis's X-Men are better than the haters give him credit for. They're not the classics (or some in a sense of course) but they are entertaining and his original characters are a lot of fun. Personally the Legion series was my favorite of that era though it didn't seem to most peoples cup of tea. I grew up on Liquid Television and like a lot of avant-garde art and animation so that was part of the appeal to me.
Going to present here I have to say Secret Wars isn't living up to it's marketing line but personally I don't think that's a bad thing. The point was that it's a horror story through and through and likewise. Marvel sold that notion as did Hickman. It really doesn't read it at all though. Most of it is completely warped and out of bounds experimental and fun really. It works for me though because it has panache and vigor and when it comes to Marvel and DC for that matter when everything hums at a steady and serious pace everything gets I guess gloomy and drab, and therefore boring to me if that's the right way to put it? Still WAY too many books but just saying. Also I'm finding myself more surprised with the titles I thought wouldn't captivate me and less with the ones I was excited for. I think I mentioned somewhere here no interest in Marvel Zombies, Shang-Chi or Weirdworld yet they're now on the top of the pull list. It's an interesting experiment if anything to say the least. Still glad to see a creative restructuring coming out of it.
I have to agree with Tomato above as well that I did like what the AvX series set-up, the status quo and dynamic that is. It had that going for it.
I havent read Childrens Crusade,but I hear it was a Parallax-style retcon and Wanda was possesed by....Dr Doom?Some entity?
Just a piece of trivia.There were around 2 million mutants.There are 10 times more colourblind people in the world.I guess there is the next big event. XD
But enough about that.Im not reading in any sort of chronological order,just going with the things that seem interesting.Heck,I caught up with Uncanny X-men and I STILL havent finished 198.Most important characters who lost their powers:Blob,Jubilee and Chamber.And it doesnt even stick with them.
I heard that Legacy is good,but havent checked it out yet.BTW,another case of Marvels weird numbering.Lets say these 3 comics were the same and we have #300,YEY!
Yeah,Team Wolverine is a bit more entertaining,I have to admit.Amazing X-men were great,btw.Like I said,my only problem with W&X is that Quentins running gags wore real thin,real fast.OMG,potato for lunch,RIOT!
My problem with WatXM is that it tries to turn the X-Men into a sitcom, but it does so by treating it's characters so out-of-character that I can't just enjoy it. I still cringe at what Aaron did to Oya. She was a nuanced, complicated character, and then Aaron turned into a one-dimensional parody of herself. (Like he did with most of the characters in that run, admittedly.) Additionally, he kept the X-Men cooped up in the mansion, not even trying to get out there and promote mutants rights while Scott's team actually tried to do so, first in San Francisco before AvX and then all over the states afterwards.
Though it's not like this was Aaron's first strike(out) at the bat either. Just look at Schism. Wolverine and Scott end up fighting over what should be done with the kids because Wolverine, after decades of not being that protective of kids, (sure, he cared for Kitty and Jubilee, but he'd still let them fight,) suddenly starts being over-protective of them, thinking they should have a normal life despite the fact that, with the Purifiers and who else coming after them on a regular basis, they can't really have one anyway. Admittedly, this sudden change could be because his own kid apparently died in his solo book, but it's never brought up, so it might as well as not have happened as far as Schism is concerned. Scott had the right idea: Those kids needed to be ready for what's out there because whatever's out there wouldn't be waiting for them to be ready, and the best way to be ready is get actual field experience. In a time where there mutants were an endangered species and so many people wanted to finish the job, the kid mutants couldn't really afford to just sit on their arses and let the adults handle everything, and you'd think that Wolverine of all people would understand this. But he doesn't. Because Aaron didn't know what he was doing. Oh, yeah, and Wolverine and Scott literally fight right in front of a gigantic sentinel about to destroy Utopia, with said robot being sent by none other than the Hellfire Brats, whom I HAAAAAAAATE with every fiber of my being. And since they showed up again in WatXM, that's another strike against that book for me personally.
Well yeah,I agree some running gags get old fast,like I said.And in a sense of doing good for the mutant race Cyclops DEFINITELY does a bigger job.There is a whole page of talk about EVERYONE grabbing the idiot ball in Schism and AvX,so I cant really add anything I haven't already said.
Tony Stark is an idiot.There,that was worth repeating. :P
In the defense of Wolverines team...they fought pirates in hell,that's pretty awesome. :thumbup:
And I also hated the Hellfire Brats.Pretty sure,everybody did.
In 2 of his X-men reviews Linkara imitates Charles Xavier as he tries to explain his school to authorities. :lol:
-Why do you need buzz-saws for school?
-Well,you see...its because....
Guess what Wolverine has to do in the first issue? XD
On the case constant infighting...Cable comments that the mutant leaders(I.E. Cyclops,Wolverine,Storm and Magneto) are so busy arguing among themselves that they didnt NOTICE that G7 countries banned mutant from the military and put mutant-detectors on airports.OFC,this being the Marvel universe,those sanctions have no freaking sense.What,Hulks okay on the plane,but mutants are the problem? XD
Quote from: Spade on July 22, 2015, 04:46:42 PM
On the case constant infighting...Cable comments that the mutant leaders(I.E. Cyclops,Wolverine,Storm and Magneto) are so busy arguing among themselves that they didnt NOTICE that G7 countries banned mutant from the military and put mutant-detectors on airports.OFC,this being the Marvel universe,those sanctions have no freaking sense.What,Hulks okay on the plane,but mutants are the problem? XD
The rationale behind the distrust of mutants has less to do with any actual physical threats, and more to do with a philosophical one. The Hulk may be a dangerous beast, but at least he was just created by science; he was a mere fluke, or an isolated accident. Mutants, on the other hand, represent the next step for humanity, and ordinary humans fear that one day, mutants may overtake the world and make mere humanity obsolete. Whereas non-mutant Superheroes and the like don't represent that sort of mass, nigh-inevitable threat. Of course, it makes you wonder how ordinary humans can even tell the difference between mutants and non-mutants, which makes you wonder why they don't give Superheroes the same sheer level of hatred and bile as they do mutants, but it's still the only explanation that makes any sort of sense.
^Going by some X-factor issues,ordinary people CANT tell the difference.Avengers are called muties at one point.But that was in the 80's so who knows if it still applies.
Marvel has handwaved the issue with various explanations.
A)Superheroes wear nice costumes and are purty so people like them.For obvious reasons,IM NOT BUYING THAT.
B)Mutants have(had?) their own culture.Like music,films and gangs.A little better,but still not that convincing.
Or its just a question of better PR?
But in this case,wouldnt they want to ban all the superhumans from airports if they are afraid of them?If 1 person can blow up the plane,does it matter where they got their powers?
Doc Samson almost brought down the Air Force 1,for example.Osborn was manipulating him,but thats a different subject.
Another thing I have to mention,since its similar to AvX examples above.Where:
a)Writer didnt realise how something will sound
b)Its a lousy attempt at political satire(probably not in this case).
>Uncanny Avengers<
Team that should showcase the diversity of heroes.Yet,ironicly,Red Skulls team is more diversive then the heroes. XD
But thats a differet story.Im talking,ofc, about Havoks infamous speech.How they should try to assimilate into society and stop using the M-word.Because its offensive.
Hoo,boy,there are so many things wrong with that!If they dont accept you,imitate them.And abandon your cultural identity.
Wait,what?
Even if every mutant followed that advice,it still wouldnt work.Sure,Havok can pass as a regular human,but what about those who cant?They should go live in the sewers or something?Serioulsy,the speech is dumb and offensive in the context of the comic itself.Not to mention to pretty much every reader...
Quote from: Spade on July 23, 2015, 05:13:38 AM
Another thing I have to mention,since its similar to AvX examples above.Where:
a)Writer didnt realise how something will sound
b)Its a lousy attempt at political satire(probably not in this case).
>Uncanny Avengers<
Team that should showcase the diversity of heroes.Yet,ironicly,Red Skulls team is more diversive then the heroes. XD
But thats a differet story.Im talking,ofc, about Havoks infamous speech.How they should try to assimilate into society and stop using the M-word.Because its offensive.
Hoo,boy,there are so many things wrong with that!If they dont accept you,imitate them.And abandon your cultural identity.
Wait,what?
Even if every mutant followed that advice,it still wouldnt work.Sure,Havok can pass as a regular human,but what about those who cant?They should go live in the sewers or something?Serioulsy,the speech is dumb and offensive in the context of the comic itself.Not to mention to pretty much every reader...
You know what would make it even better? If he insisted that, instead of mutants, they should all be called 'Gecees'. ('Genetically Challenged', in other words.)
Thats actually a fair point,since he never offers an alternative to the word mutant. :blink:
-...AND dont call us mutants?
-How should we call you?
-....ALEX!
Seriously,as a spokesman for a minority group,Havok sucks! :thumbdown:
Quote from: Spade on July 23, 2015, 02:56:22 PM
-...AND dont call us mutants?
-How should we call you?
-....ALEX!
STORM: Alex, we need to talk.
HAVOK: Hey, if this is about that press conference the other day--
STORM: It is, and shut up.
HAVOK: Okay, look, what's the problem? If it's something I said--
STORM: Indeed.
{Plays recording of Havok's speech on a TV; pauses right at the end of 'Alex'.} I don't recall giving you permission to rename all mutants 'Alex'. Do you?
HAVOK: ...Uh-oh.
And Rick Reemender said he didnt think this would sound wrong...
How editors,letterers and everyone involved also missed that is hard to comperhand...
His point is that they should abandon their cultural identity and assimilate into human society.Oh yeah,sure.Thats works for YOU.But what about Leech,Beast or others who dont look human?
Even if this was his view(and he wasnt brainwashed by Captain America as other mutants accused him),he still could have worded it a lot freaking better.
X-men '92 #5 There is some sexual tension between Cyclops and Psylocke.I havent seen that in a long time.And whats up with those guns?Cable carries a bazooka as a handgun.Im not even kidding. ;)
Battle of the atom was just kinda ...meh.I dont have that much complaints,but Im not exactly thrilled either.
I strongly disliked All New X-men.Present/Cyclops is bad because...he protects mutants?They were doing the same thing for 50 years!And those uniforms...Kitty Pryde is now with Star Lord.Is there anyone she wasnt with at this point?And worst of all,Miles Morales is in it.A character from different universe,that has NO RELATIONS with the X-men,AT ALL.Almost like Bendis tried to cram every character he liked into the comic.While,as always,ignoring continuity.
And now,in no particular order AXIS,Age of X and maybe War of the Kings...Are those stories even worth reading?I would appreciate if somebody could give me some pointers on those. :)
Maybe War of Kings. It's a continuation of the Annihilation cosmic storyline from a few years back, if I'm remembering correctly.
Quote from: kkhohoho on July 23, 2015, 05:08:24 PM
Quote from: Spade on July 23, 2015, 02:56:22 PM
-...AND dont call us mutants?
-How should we call you?
-....ALEX!
STORM: Alex, we need to talk.
HAVOK: Hey, if this is about that press conference the other day--
STORM: It is, and shut up.
HAVOK: Okay, look, what's the problem? If it's something I said--
STORM: Indeed. {Plays recording of Havok's speech on a TV; pauses right at the end of 'Alex'.} I don't recall giving you permission to rename all mutants 'Alex'. Do you?
HAVOK: ...Uh-oh.
I really don't understand the hate Remender got for this. I know people associate it with 'Color blindness' in terms of race, and he is pretty much saying that it is unfair to just label all mutants as such and assume that they are all part of a community with similar goals and aspirations. That is definitely not the case, as has been shown numerous times with different factions of mutants.
People that follow Kitty Pryde's line of thought reduce all mutants to just that, mutants, a kind of unified race. Alex wants people and mutants to be recognized for the individuals that they are. Some mutants are evil, we should stop them, some mutants are super-model superheroes, that's cool. Some mutants want to take a cure because of a variety of reasons, and we should let them have that option, it's their choice.
Also, I'm not sure many people noticed it, but a chunk of Alex's speech is pretty much ripped from NOFX's 'Don't call me white!' Which satirizes misrepresentation of race. As Remender has a history of referencing punk and rock in the past, I immediately saw the reference to NOFX, too bad some X-Men (and people online) took offence to it and had differing opinions. Which, by the way, was Alex's whole point.
Havok probably meant well,but his wording was bad. Or maybe Remender was really going for a parody.Arguing with people on Twitter didnt help his case anyway.
Back to the point.Charles Xavier was going for cohabitation,Havok goes for assimilation.As in they should stop being mutants and try to pass as humans.Again,good for him,but what about those who cant pass as humans?
He hates the word mutant and everything it represents.Its pretty much a speech about self-loathing.And if the term mutant IS offensive,why didnt he come up with a more politicly correct term?Like,IDK,dont call us mutants,call us eXtra-humans?
Something I kinda didnt pay attention before.Bishop came to this era in the 90's lik we already know.And he knew that M-day is gonna happen and it will set a chain of events that will lead to his time?And in 20 years it never came to him to kill Scarlet Witch and thus avoid his bad future?Life and times of Lucas Bishop is one dumb retcon.
Quote from: Spade on July 24, 2015, 07:57:10 AM
X-men '92 #5 There is some sexual tension between Cyclops and Psylocke.I havent seen that in a long time.And whats up with those guns?Cable carries a bazooka as a handgun.Im not even kidding. ;)
That comic is an extension of the old TAS animated series and the comic books series called X-Men Adventures that spun off it. That's were all of those and the rest of the elements come from right down to the bazooka handgun. I'm applauding the writer for really doing his research with this actually. Basically view it as a direct sequel or new season of the old TAS show rather than any kind of relation to the 616 series and the details will add up.
Quote from: SickAlice on July 27, 2015, 02:50:45 PM
Quote from: Spade on July 24, 2015, 07:57:10 AM
X-men '92 #5 There is some sexual tension between Cyclops and Psylocke.I havent seen that in a long time.And whats up with those guns?Cable carries a bazooka as a handgun.Im not even kidding. ;)
That comic is an extension of the old TAS animated series and the comic books series called X-Men Adventures that spun off it. That's were all of those and the rest of the elements come from right down to the bazooka handgun. I'm applauding the writer for really doing his research with this actually. Basically view it as a direct sequel or new season of the old TAS show rather than any kind of relation to the 616 series and the details will add up.
Yeah,I know.I just think those guns are a bit too cartoonish. ^_^
About Cyclops and Psylocke,I know there was some tension during Chris Claremont era,so kudos for continuing with that.Which like a lot of plots was abandoned after Chris left.And lets not bring up X-Men Forever. :unsure:
In Inhumanity(only issue of it I did read) a newly empowered Inhuman knocks out every female member of Cyclopses team,without even trying.Yes,Emma Frost,Magik,Stepford Sisters and teen/Jean.I know you wants us to think Inhumans are all the rage now,but come on,those are some of the most powerful people on Earth.
I know there was an X-men vs Inhumans story a long time ago,but can anyone remember more details? :huh:
That was the whole idea. I didn't dig into the comic spin-off so some of the finer points of the plot are lost on me but I do recognize a few from the actual cartoon, like that CN was one of the faceless mutants in Apocalypse's holding tanks and where the SK left off. But the guns where in the cartoon. They were a marketing tie-in to the action figure line which also has ridiculously huge guns, so large in fact they would tip the figure over if you didn't support it with something. What went down and what's played out in the book is that a sin-off to the X-men cartoon was greenlit for X-Force and a toyline for it produced in advance (in the 80's and 90's there was a standard that any boy targeted Saturday morning series had to have an accompanying toyline to be approved), however as with many things in the series itself the whole idea was shut down by the censors hence what you see in the book. Again...it's not a continuation of the 616 book by CC, it's a continuation of the cartoon series and it's cartoon spin-off hence your confusion. Sorry I made a few presumptions, I know a lot of people got confused and thought it was a revisit to the 90's canon comic book era which it isn't. Here is the continuity and things '92 is actually coming out from:
The TAS continuity from which '92 is a continuation of:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_(TV_series) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_(TV_series))
The spin-off comic of the series that it's also a continuation of:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_(TV_series)#X-Men_Adventures (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_(TV_series)#X-Men_Adventures)
The known of angle and considerable controversy that surrounded the original cartoon series that the writer of X-Men '92 is making his focus story (see BS&P NOTES):
http://marvel.toonzone.net/xmen/backstage/melching/ (http://marvel.toonzone.net/xmen/backstage/melching/)
Hope that helps to unfog it a bit. Sorry I just assumed you knew of that cartoon.
Yes,I knew about the animated series.I didnt argue about what the comic is continuing.I said its SIMILAR to 90's comics.Which was given,ofc.My comment about X-men Forever was mostly unrelated.
And I was just kidding about the guns,lets not overthink that. XD
It is but only because the cartoon was similar and based within. Not to bogey at all just noting as I said since the previews even I noticed many people jumped to the idea that it was a comic derivative, many misled by journalists who themselves jumped the gun and most believing it (Secret Wars book) was a take on the Jim Lee era X-Men comics which isn't the case. So the marks against it in comparison to those works really don'y hold water as design flaws since that's not the premise. In it's intended, which is as continuation of TAS it more than holds up and surprises imo though again I never read XMA so I'm lost on some plot points. The Kelly thing immediately sticks out of course from the cartoon, all the way back to the Night Of The Sentinels pilot I think? I really enjoyed how they spun the CN character into a representation of the BS&P, and let's be honest if you read any of the ridiculous edicts they laid on this show they were getting a little out of hand. The Cable thing immediately jumped out more so how his attitude is displayed in 92' as that's a direct riff on his cartoon appearance. There he was a 2-dimensional overly gruff character, pretty much the whole " Grawl! We must shoot our problems! No time for anything else! " type of archetype. I'm rating the title personally as one of the better SW books because it delivers and it delivers something those of us who sat around in our pajamas watching that cartoon have long waited. Heck it even had Storm over-dramatizing her lines! I won't say the best title mind you. I don't want to " officially take score " until everything is on the table but right now for me it's still the more avante-garde titles that are top notch, odd again because I wasn't expecting it. In fact the last issue of Weirdworld was just better than the previous. I never thought since I first saw the character in a Handbook that I would love Arkon this much.
Speaking of since this is the Marvel thread and your going through the current X-Men, shout out to whoever read the last and spoiler alert to you but...GOLDBALLS!
Yeah,Goldballs...
Bendis really cant write superpowers to save his life.Almost any confrontation ends with two people standing a panel apart and shooting energy beam.Or one person wiping out teams in a single swoop.
On a different note,here is a fun drinking game.Take a shoot everytime Wolverine shouts "Quentin" or "Quire".You will be hammered before you finish a storyline.Any storyline.
Lol, you sure habor a lot of dissonance for the talent at the companies it seems Spade. Quit that stinkin thinkin, it'll destroy your ability to enjoy comic books trust me. I would argue that Bendis is one of the best writers of this era hence his position and also the very reason readers become quick to point out inconsistency in his works, because at his caliber they really shouldn't be there. I blame being spread too thin in his work and missing beats (like in the average persons world when you juggle too many jobs your bound to drop a ball somewhere) and taking on books that are not really in his season/style, gritty and street more in his case of course. Like I said before I think he gets lowballed for his X-men writing more than he should though it always seemed anyone who attempts to write that series does, the bar is just set sky high and does a pretty good job at it as far as I can see. He's brought a lot of new and fun elements into the mutants world for my money. I also think he's an excellent for Iron Man as he showed he gets Tony more than once now. Still not with his GOTG but again " seasons " and space opera and sci-fi just really aren't where he's at.
And truthfully how is that use of powers not the going rate. I'd challenge a drinking game were Superman punches someone, Spider-man webs someone up or Batman throws a batarang knocking a foes weapon out of their hand but I wouldn't want to encourage death by binging. Superpowers and use of them is sort of the point of the craft of comics itself as are costumes and codenames. What else would the characters be doing in a fight. And being honest I rarely recall seeing a writer/artist team versed in fighting choreography and when they are in use it's for a martial artist character as they should be. Bendis like many has to focus on plot and drama and while most boys in the clubhouse never want to admit to it we all show up for the soap opera as we do wrestling rather than the stunts and action. For that we go to the Power Rangers. Just saying I don't find it out of place myself but do remember the time I came to think that way about it. I also ended up dropping comics all together during that patch unironically.
Actually Bendis is the only one I really have problem on X-men.Kieron Gillen was a lot better IMO.And I could name a bunch of creative uses of superpowers.Magneto and Iron Man shooting lasers at each other isn't one of them.Or that personal favorite of mine,Hawkeye vs Emma Frost. :doh:
No pun intended,Marvel could use some diversity,which I hope we will see after SW.
About soap opera angle,that was kinda the point of X-men for years.XD
I remember thinking "Wait,does this mean Rogue is Nightcrawlers sister?" :o
In my defense I was a lot younger,so...
Which again,Aaron does a bit better job at that department,but WaXM does have a few issues on its own.
And,btw,Bendis is sometimes creepy with his Kitty Pryde obsession. :blink:
It's good you still have discernment left. I've seen Kieron and anyone else torn apart all the same by readers. Like I said any series gets that but the X-Men books REALLY do for some reason and basically any writer can only do wrong even if they themselves created the concept. To each their own but I hate to see people reach the point in cynicism that they lose the ability to enjoy, or better try to and allow themselves to enjoy life. Goldilocks scrutinized the porridge but really it all was porridge just the same and she was only making it more difficult for herself. Though in her case she was a burglar so foresight probably wasn't in her nature, lol. Just saying though it's easy especially the older you get to let yourself get bogged down by all the details and forget how to just enjoy the ride for what it is, rather than what it isn't.
Bendis is like Liefeld in that the turn against him is so agreed upon it's easy to fault anything he does despite it being the same as any celebrated writer does and just a trope of the medium itself, and to me that's all these things are. Though your using the event as example here and that's part. The very concept was schlocky and only could yield equal results. The whole Vs. thing always does. The AvsX itself was a shaky time for Marvel and more or less a quick move to try and boost sales and correct several issues in the overall canon, much as Tomato just pointed and it worked to pretty good degrees so best to write off a lot of the hokey nonsense that went down there. I mean the idea of it was hokey anyways so what else would the result be? Lol, funny about Kitty but it's not him. Humphries is pushing her as well and more so so it's safe to believe that's an order from high up in the company telling the creative to highlight her character in order to make a more staple household and franchise. She was an important character in the film series so it only makes sense to see that strong of a push now.
I shall take that as a compliment.
I dont like Bendis,but I wouldnt compare him to Rob just yet. XD
And I admit,Bendis does a good job with streetwise heroes like Cage,but with team like Avengers and X-men hes out of his league.
And speaking of Kitty Pryde,she was with Spiderman in the Ultimate Universe.Because,why not?I only read maybe 30 issues of Ultimate Spiderman and I wasnt that sold.Its a neet idea to modernise Spiderman saga,but I dont see how demonic Green Goblin is more modern or "mature".And thats the only Ultimate book I can be positive about. XD
I thought Scarlet was brilliant, hope he gets back on that when his break comes up. I think SW Old Man Logan is decent which is a mouth full since I loathed that series. A better example though is Age Of Ultron, comic not the film of course. I don't think it was stellar but it was a solid read and the story structure was intact. Now granted in this like HoM Bendis was able to craft a world more suited to his own style, more with AoU as it was a gritty street level event but all the same his writing was on point there. But from most they shot it down right out of the gate and before entering it even simply because " BENDIS! ". And that's sort of what I mean. Too often I see readership just going with this click mentality and jumping on a square no compromise attitude like that " Bendis wrote it so it sucks, every page of it! I want to kill him and his little dog too! " or something. Yet with AoU I saw virtually nothing offered in the way of realistic constructive criticism of the books actual design nor buffering fine point, just " Bendis = bad = the enemy ". Granted he does have missed beats in stories to say he's incapable seriously makes me question the readers ability to well, comprehend what they're reading? In the same turn I see compliment here and there to his Ultimate books yet at very seldom points does anyone praise him directly for it rather seems to credit some sort of ghost writer. Also in the same hand I read many compliments to the AoU Superior Spider-man 1-shot and specifically to Dan Slott for that despite the fact it was written by Christos Gage. Because they became so used to saying these things you see that it's the first thing out without really thinking it through. Like as you say " Rob level " basically? But you know Rob is not only a decent dude but brought a lot to the industry and us as the readers, a lot of current fan favorite stuff. Though again he's a special case because a lot like Loeb he stokes those flames worse and makes a mess for himself publicly. But Loeb is in the same vein of course and why? He wrote a volume of Red Hulk. Seems petty to me and past it's due date to hate the man and honestly he is the sweetest guy, I mean I would want to be adopted by that man he's so cool. And Greg Land of course which brings me to my stance and a short story.
I took part like most years ago in one of those trash talk Land for swiping threads, you know the kind. And boy we roasted him but good. Well, pages into this circus his daughter made an account and came on and petitioned us, rationally and politely to stop. As it turned out Mr.Land had been reading and following along with this and by his daughters account was currently breaking down and crying. Some people pulled a chan and snubbed her of course but for me? It all changed that day because I realized how carried away we get and forget these are people who are trying their best and putting their heart into it, not some kind of product themselves nor machines that aren't allowed flaws. I mean I resented myself deeply for anytime I whizzed on him or any person in the craft (I was especially dedicated to being hard on Rob too this point) and swore to practice a little conviction from here on out. That isn't to say I won't say something negative but I'll keep it constructive, recently I came at Steve Wacker online like this but he appreciated my tone he said. So take from it what you will, or hold everything in comics in disdain if it's what suits you. But know at the end of day it's about how your making yourself and how your making yourself feel about a thing. No offense but I see you putting snark emoticons at the end of some of your comments as if they were entertaining (XD) but I don't find them to be so, just for reference. I'm actually friends with another person you said something pretty directly about and grossly inaccurate at that. So I'm saying if you think they're all brainless, talent-less and suck more power to you but that's you on you, not them on you and frankly they're the few who were chosen to actually make comic books. Just my two cents.
I cant really remember I ever said somebody sucked in those exact words.I always try to find something positive in everything.At worst I will admit something has few good ideas,but isnt executed well.And Im sorry if I somehow offended you or something.
Not really offended, just giving advise. I doubt you'll take it now and I don't think you can really see the things you've wrote, clearly by your response here but I think you will someday and you'll wonder why you ever did. Saying that personal experience and wishing someone would have pointed it out to me. It took me nearly a decade to wake up myself which sucks. Can't blame me for trying anyways, sorry for the interruption.
I think your projecting stuff from other places.For starters I never even mentioned Greg Land of Jeph Loeb once.
I was drawing a comparison in hopes of finding a way to make it click with you, like I said I get a bit wordy and loose track of the point. Anyways like I said pardon and as you were then.
Its a free market,if they can print what they want,readers can review it how they want.And if somebody is a good person or not makes little difference to their writing abilities.Rob Liefeld could be the nicest person on Earth,but his magnum opus is still Youngblood.Just saying.
Im not sure if W&X-men is supposed to be serious or not.There is some story about the kids and the teachers,but there is also Doop fighting Nazi bowlers.And Doop doing "weird stuff" with Warbird.And just Doop. :wacko:
Last will and testament of Charles Xavier Well...if we learned anything from Identity Crisis its DON'T MIND-WIPE PEOPLE,it never ends well.I was expecting a bit more from that last will,I mean who gets the flying wheelchair? Yeah,yeah,not funny,I know. ;)
True in itself but not actually widely applicable as it requires legitimate au courant for merit and then the flaw in design actually exist in the first place, and snark isn't hypothesis just because a person says it is. Saying soda is bad because it's sugary isn't evidence of a fault nor backing of sagacity, it's just pointing out a common component and at best stating preference. Saying soda is bad because it's made of watermelons on the other hand of course is just being uninformed, repeating the opinion after being informed otherwise is just being stubborn of course. Anyways I give up Slade, sorry to interrupt your reviews. Just trying to help like I said and I've all but figured I'll just be hitting my head on a wall repeating myself here. Just consider at least for your own benefit that " Tropes Will Ruin Your Life ". Or don't, sup to you dude.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife)
Review wasnt the right word.In a nutshell,if people dont like something,I think they are allowed to say they dont like,reasons or no reason.Just I dont like something because its not my style and thats it.And may be a bit negative sometimes,but I try give praise where praise is due.For example,I didnt like AvX,but I liked the Messiah trilogy.Thou Bishop retcons dont make much sense,but okay. :unsure:
Anyway,I may not agree with somebodies oppinion,but I respect it and it really isnt too much to expect the same in return.
I know I can be boring and negative,but try to understand.You had 10 years to process those storylines,I went thru them in 2 months.Now imagine reading from Decimation to AvX,from Bishop turning evil to Havok insulting everyone to Red Skull eating Charles Xaviers brain in just 2 months.I think everyone would be negative.
Yes exactly. Your POV, not the actual writing. Bishop happened eight years ago, The point of Axis was characters that were good turned evil and vice-versa, The point of AvsX was one character fights another, the fight between Magneto and Iron Man was written by Jason Aaron not Bendis, Kitty Pryde is a staple and highly fan demanded character in the X-men books whose recent revival was brought about by Joss Whedon not Bendis, The Ultimate reality is a different reality than 616 and was meant to be an alternative to the 616 one hence the characters are different, The Kitty and Spider-man date was built up in the Ultimate books and Kitty having a loose dating outlook has always been part of her character, and I gave up comics as I said and only started reading and playing catch up again as of about four years ago right around the time I started working on Freedom Force again.
I'm not saying it's your negativity, I'm saying your putting your lack of understanding of the source material on the writer, or more since I do know your intelligent at least your habitually skewering it as such. Because a person can't do long division doesn't make the math nor mathematician flawed. You do as you please, like I said it doesn't effect me one way or the other though you seem to want it to? I just keep passing over these threads and picked up on a pattern from you and thought I'd try to be nice and give you some advice. I'm pretty much of the mind it won't sink in today or tomorrow anyways but it's something you'll come too later by your own volition. Personally I love comics for what they are even the silly and illogical mass of it in fact more so that, your frustrated with them not being something else as far as I can see from what your telling me. From what you say you seem to be staring at one thing for so long that's it's blown up in your mind and your missing what it is at base, forgetting to look at the sky and see the sunshine in favor of rocks ahead. You say your reading it all at once in " trade " so that's at fault but since you acknowledge knowing it the only logical recourse is you are applying the perspective willingly and digging your own hole, and have the option not to and to just step back. I do get this again, I did the same thing and it's why I stopped reading comic books. Long enough to figure out that the comics nor creators of them weren't what ruined my enjoyment of them, it was just me. Likewise I loved kicking the line and trying to subtlety light fires under other peoples feet as well but grew out of it. So my motive in speaking to you know is seeing another person do the same thing I did and hoping to save you a little grief. Else to each their own, and really I've said all I can say here and this will just be a spinning record past the point so really have a nice day, or try to. Or don't. Enjoyment after all can only be found when sought.
Magneto vs Iron Man was just an example of not that great match up.And I know what Ultimate Universe is.And btw,this goes for a few people here,but your insults are pretty thinly veiled.
No matter how long ago something did happen,important thing is,IT DID.8 years ago,or 18 years ago.In this case,it retcons that Bishop new about Decimation,Hopes birth and that Cable would oppose him.If he did know that why didnt he act on it before?He had 20 years to kill Cable if he wanted to.
I finished Annihilation and Im halfway thru Annihilation Conquest and I gotta say:that was a great event.One of the best one I have seen from Marvel,hands down.
Quote from: Spade on August 13, 2015, 05:42:27 PM
I finished Annihilation and Im halfway thru Annihilation Conquest and I gotta say:that was a great event.One of the best one I have seen from Marvel,hands down.
Yeah, Annihilation was great. Marvel's cosmic stuff was pretty awesome there a few years ago now, when Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning were writing Nova and Guardians of the Galaxy. Sadly, it didn't last long enough.
So any thoughts on the latest Secret Wars?
I think it was an interesting way to catch up. I also wonder what Owen Reece's true contribution to Battleworld is.
There is some kind of connection to the old Secret Wars. Owen was a major part of that too. Maybe he is holding Battle World together??
I had a long buss drive and nothing else to read so I picked up Skaar,King of Savage Land.And its actually pretty entertaining.Dinosaurs,Giant Robots,Cowboys,it pretty much has everything.
X-men,the all-female-team series,is good,from what I have read so far.Thou Im still confused on what the hell Sublime is.
Quote from: Spade on August 16, 2015, 10:23:13 AM
Thou Im still confused on what the hell Sublime is.
Sublime is an sentient bacteria that was created billions of years ago, before any other lifeforms came into being. It could also infect these lifeforms, using them as hosts, and through them was able to stay alive. It considered itself the greatest lifeform on the planet, and for much of it's existence, it was content with that. But at some point, mutants started being born, and for whatever reason, Sublime couldn't infect or take over some of them -- not all of them, but some of them -- and so if mutants became the dominant species, than Sublime's very existence would be at stake. It sought to prevent this from occurring, and to this end, it took over a human host and took several steps to halt mutant-kind's dominance. It's first act was to create the Weapon Plus program, responsible for Wolverine, Deapool, Fantomex, and even Captain America, with the intent being on controlling mutants as well working towards creating a 'weapon' to wipe them out.
Later on, it went public, dubbing it's host 'John Sublime', and created the 'Transpecies' or 'Homo Perfectus' movement; a cult based around the idea of mutants born in human bodies. This was naturally BS, with the groups' actual mundus operandi being to graft mutant parts onto themselves to gain their powers, though the idea that the group spread was also designed to gather troops to their cause and further slander mutants. To make a long story short, the X-Men confronted him, stopped him, and he got pushed out a building to his supposed death. However, being a sentient bacteria controlling a host must have given him enhanced durability, because he survived, long enough to show up in the X-Men run you're reading. Also, it appears that there was another lifeform similar to Sublime, Archea, though this particular bacteria is more malevolent than Sublime, and possess technology rather than life.
Does that help?
Rhetorical question,but thanks anyway.
I know what HE IS.But that doesn't make it any less confusing.Which is a similar problem I had with New X-men.You constantly feel like you missed a page.
My knowledge of Sublime perfect,so I mybe missed some storyline with him.Him being a sentient bacteria who wants to stop evolution was established in Here comes Tomorrow,a storyline that was mostly ignored by later writers if not outright retconed. So some things are canon,some not.I guess this is in some form.
The story also implies hes the DNA,or in the DNA of all living creatures.Its Grant Morrison,so confusion is a given.
DC is popular for doing comic cover with movie themes or Looney Tunes, now Marvel is expanding with their action figure covers:
http://comicbook.com/2015/08/17/exclusive-marvel-action-figure-variants-for-venom-hercules-and-s/#Image8
While the covers are nice, I rather have the actually action figure
Quote from: JeyNyce on August 18, 2015, 05:15:41 PM
While the covers are nice, I rather have the actually action figure
Cosigned. It's like getting an advert for a really nice looking pair of shoes that doesn't actually exist .
(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/1435645911995.jpg)
Songbird will join New Avengers after Secret Wars.Thats cool.
Is that Squirrel Girl??
Sure looks like her.
I actually commented on that two pages ago when the solicits for that month came out. I love that roster, and I'm probably going to try that book out since people in this thread assured me that Al Ewing is a fantastic Avengers writer and I think he deserves a a try from me.
Definitely happy to see Songbird in Avengers. if nothing else, that aspect of the future seen in Busiek's Avengers Forever has come to fruition (plus there was the Avengers/Hellcat annual where Hawkeye brought Songbird along on a mission for that express reason). Mind you, I don't know if this is an "Avengers" team. The solicits describe it as "Avengers Idea Mechanics" which sounds similar to the Initiative or Avengers Acadamy, though the book and it title seems to be somewhat inspired by the New Avengers of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Yeah it is. Like SS said this was from the Marvel Previews that came out a month or so ago. The same team members also appear in her renumbered 1st issue or at least on the cover. Great to see Songbird back in action and back in hairstyle.
* edit: I have to agree that Ewing writes a good Avengers book though we seem to have similar tastes so it's not surprise.
Well I wasnt sure about Ewing,but im glad to see you guys like him.
Citizen V was also in the previews,so where will he/she show up remains to be seen.
And btw whos the guy in the red cape next to Hulkling?
Wiccan. It's an awkward cover. I couldn't tell that was Doreen actually until I saw the Squirrel Girl promo. The Uncanny Avengers cover is pretty dicey as well imo but Stegman's interiors usually hold up and I'm a sucker for Duggan so it's a pass here.
Yeah.The artwork is a bit different then we are used to.Not that its a bad thing.
I guess the comic picks up after Avengers World.
Oh it's not that. I'm used to Gerardo's exaggerated style from Guardians but he tends to get a little of control sometimes in this case Wiccan is freaking He-Man there which is a little weird. His facial expressions are really nice and his Songbird especially well done, he definitely grasped the nostalgic feel of the character. I'm reading a bit on it now and it appears to be a melting pot continuation of Ewing's Mighty Avengers, Sunspot's story from AW as you pointed out and the prior Young Avengers epics of course. I'm for this one too, like I've said before the ANAD phase appeals to me mostly because I like the variety of a creative shake-up as well that they're moving back to the core of what makes the characters and teams enjoyable.
http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?50588-New-Avengers-(2015-) (http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?50588-New-Avengers-(2015-))
War of Kings was also another great event.Greatest moment: Maximus understands Groot.When Groot is talking about quasi-dimensional physics. :wacko:
I really appreciated WOK as well. It got a lot of neg at the time but I think mostly fans where motioning to what happened to some of their favorite characters in favor of critiquing the actually story structure and dynamic itself in that case.
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/marvel-announces-hip-hop-variant-covers/1100-152916/?ftag=YHR3d385aa (http://www.comicvine.com/articles/marvel-announces-hip-hop-variant-covers/1100-152916/?ftag=YHR3d385aa)
Hip-Hop Variant covers announced.Squadron Supreme and Captain America ones are really good.
Dan Abnett is doing a new Guardians book with artist Carlo Barberi. Guardians of Infinity. A team up of three different eras of Guardians: Guardians 3000, the modern era (Rocket and Groot), and a new team called Guardians 1000 (http://ca.ign.com/articles/2015/08/28/new-guardians-of-the-galaxy-spinoff-comic-announced).
Sounds great to me. I really liked Abnett's work on the cosmic books (with Andy Lanning), and Carlo Barberi is a good artist with some fun dynamics (he just wrapped up the Amazing Spider-Man point 1 storyline, for which he might have been the best part). At the moment I'm planning to pick this up.
I'm glad he's not bowing out. 3000 and SW Korvac Sage have been the better modern GOTG books imo.
Just out of curiosity, in comparison with the original "Age of Apocalypse" series, how's the current series compare?
It has nostalgia especially as far as visual appeal goes though like any SW title it's chained to Battleworld. It definitely doesn't have the scale or at least not yet, more of a local tale. I'm slanted though since AoA was one of my introductory comics.
I mentioned this before,but who do you think Burner is?Now,there was already an obscure mutant named Burner,but this guy isnt him probably.Marvel wiki lists him as Adam Neramani,but I didnt see that confirmed anywhere else.
My mind immediately said Sunfire given he was a front stage character in that series and the only one that's MIA. I didn't think much past that since he seems like a footnote as far as the plot goes. I've been wary of the editors of MW as far as this event is concerned. They jumped the gun a lot and have ended up revising multiple pages after creation in weeks or less (tracking for the SW request thread, and yeah sorry I'll update that real soon. Medical issues again). As it is that very page is a stub awaiting confirmation. Sometimes they go right to the horses mouth but when they do they usually cite much like Marvelunapp does but that doesn't seem to be the case there. My bottom line is imo don't trust MW on this event until the clouds clear and else I guess we'll find out sooner than later. I have no doubt in my mind Marvel will release a Handbook companion for Battleworld once they feel all the spoilers are out of the way (imo here they already did that with the solicitations but eh, Handbooks = a few extra bucks squeezed from the cow).
Quote from: SickAlice on September 01, 2015, 04:19:44 AM
It has nostalgia especially as far as visual appeal goes though like any SW title it's chained to Battleworld. It definitely doesn't have the scale or at least not yet, more of a local tale. I'm slanted though since AoA was one of my introductory comics.
That alone sounds awesome. Maybe I'll pick it up, if I can find the first issue, thank you SA.
I was mostly guessing his identity.He tells Carol he can set her on fire if she gets a cut,and Nicieza mentioned hes an old character given new form.And he did have plans for Adam.Then again,there is a mutant called Burner already.Thou he was mostly a background character.
And some have claimed that Burner will stick around after SW.Dont think thats likely,but...okay,I guess?
I don't think so but wouldn't rule it out, as they claim " this is Marvel going forward ". Again on the solicits we're pretty clear on who at least will be going forward though Maestro was announced before SW started and Miles was a gimme. I like guessing at that stuff too, in this case though I don't really have a clue nor enough to pursue it. Like I said though I'm sure we'll know soon enough knowing Marvel. They're not going to allow they're properties to remain vague or unknown, they like having a label on everything they sell. I was more interested in seeing other characters, Carol as you mentioned since I loved her and her look in Weapon X and others I'll keep under my hat as not to spoil it for our bro Cyber here.
And yeah, go for it Cyber. Now that I remember your love for AoA is up there with mine. It won't be AoA of course but it'll be a nice compliment to it in the way any of the other mini's and such related to the series were. I actually like Anniversary though just to outline my own looking glass again which I know many frowned on, but like I said AoA is that important to me as it's the series that turned me legitimately into a monthly comic book reader. Oh also and I'm sure you noticed but AoA Blink, Exodus and Rogue are in and I don't know about you but that was already enough to get my dollar. :)
* confirmed Secret Wars Handbook kicks off, due for October.
Full roster for Uncanny X-men still isnt out,so there will be a few suprises.Also AoA#3 gives Burners name as UNKNOWN.And he can really set blood on fire.Which is either a false lead,or worst true identity mystery ever. :huh:
Having read almost everything up to Thanos Imperative,I can say I really enjoyed Marvels Cosmic stories.But Brian Bendis got his hands on that TOO.Seriously why the hell did they allow him to write all the comics at some point?
Read it tonight and seeing it now and it's definitely a the plot twist. Seems like at least over thirty people on the net drew the same conclusion all on there own. The writer says it's revealed in #5. Again imo I don't really care and cutting myself off because I don't spoil things for anyone here hasn't made it to the LCS yet. That is of course pretty rude and another reason I avoid the sites. Too many people there steal their books and the first they do is come online and give away the plot for every book before anyone else gets the chance to get to the store.
Well the power to set blood on fire is pretty unique and a lott of people recognized it right away.Maybe Nicieza did it just to provied a false lead,thou.
Issue of comic book privacy is pretty complicated,and a pretty futile disscusion anyway.
Oh possibly. Like I said mostly it turn my dial. I never really cared about Adam-X not to knock anyone's favorite. It's more like Xorn either in canon, Battle Of The Atom or AoA Anniversary. It was something that happened where I was like " oh that's whats up " but it really didn't knock me off my seat you know?
And true that. It urks me personally because I bust my hump literally to the point of taking damage just to earn extra cash to buy comics then travel 20 miles for them (which is better than the 100+ I used to of course). As well I want content creators to make money. No money = no comics. Like stealing from an apple cart then one day it isn't there and the apple addict is like " Where the apples? ". But futile yes because it's not everyone's stance and hence why I just avoid the situation all together. Though I can say I don't understand why comic creators are so lax about forum users coming right out on the day of release and dropping the plot and/or posting scans. If I saw the goods that were stolen from me in someone elses store front window I would pitch the biggest fit, and have in fact. And I mean how expensive is a digital copy anyways? But again I understand this as my preference and practice it as such.
I didnt really cared for Adam myself,but a new look is welcome.Being set on fire beats ponytail and baseball hat any day.
Lol, we are in mutual agreement. In fact now I want it to be Adam-X just to insure that redonkulus Fresh Prince Of X-Force outfit never see's dry land again.
Hate to repeat myself,but Nicieza had a story to tell about Adam,but then he left so it never came to pass.Namely,he was intended to be the half-brother of Cyclops and Havok.And Sinister somehow knew about that,since he talked about Cyclopses brothers at one point,way before Vulcan was introduced.Now,Burner has some conections to Sinisters labs.
I know about it and was thinking about the same thing. It's part of the reason I didn't like the character. His set-up was that exactly and once they yanked it the character lost his purpose and was left with just being " extreme looking ". Characters shouldn't exist just to exist. Added again that costume design. It would have maybe worked if he was in a solo or a street level vigilante team but it stuck out like a sore thumb were he was at. And I don't mean Dawn Greenwood " Rock Out With Your Silly Old Frock Out " like but well enough on it's own of course. So again mutual here in fact if they keep this version around after SWS I'll be okay with that. Yeah the whole Third Summer Bros thing was really a mess until Vulcan finally came along. I read that Apocalypse and even Gambit were elected for that role at one point. Though I do love those era's of X-comics regardless of course.
Quote from: SickAlice on September 03, 2015, 08:31:27 PM
And I mean how expensive is a digital copy anyways?
According to a quick look at Comixology, $2.99 or $3.99, depending on the comic. That's new comics, of course.
Yeah, piracy and spoilers urine me off too. The creators DO care, they just can't do much about it. Gail Simone had a really good rant about it on Comic Book Resources back in the day:
You work on a comic for possibly as long as a year. The artist works on it day and night. Maybe you work on it when you're sick or when there's a family tragedy. You stay up nights fixing and editing and doing solicits and then dozens of people do the best they can to ink it, color it, letter it, ship it, and sell it. Their jobs depend on it, but beyond that, they are all working their asses off to do the job right because they love comics and they want to make the readers happy.
And often, the torrent versions are up before the stores even open on the West coast. These evil, repulsive people actually compete with each other as if they had some legitimate part of the process.
I guess now that people figured out Burners identity,there is a possibility that Marvel will pull a Monarch on us and switch it in the last moment.
And the new Uncanny X-men are "for real,yo" so somebody from AoA would fit in.Or maybe in some new version of X-force.Which is going to happen somewhere in the future.
I think either way he's going to stay a minor character at best. The forecast shows Marvel pushing their cash cow properties more or less and movie tie-ins. I mean Drax and Karnak have solos coming. Who ever would've predicted a Karnak book ten years ago? Then again I would have never believed I would one day see an Inhumans movie much less Groot on the big screen. I'm still in awe of all that and get pretty amazed by what I'm witnessing as a grown up. Heck when I was a teen nobody ever believed a Spider-man movie was going to happen.
Yet,there is no Royal Family to be seen anywhere in the movies.And Marvel turned them from ancient civilization to bargain bin X-men.Because they want to stick it to Fox.
We saw a lot of these reboots in the past years,so we know how this will play out.Some of it will be canceled in the first few months,some will last longer.Some new will be launched instead.Smells very much like New 52,but with added continuity problems.
Quote from: Spade on September 05, 2015, 01:42:41 PM
Yet,there is no Royal Family to be seen anywhere in the movies.And Marvel turned them from ancient civilization to bargain bin X-men.Because they want to stick it to Fox.
We saw a lot of these reboots in the past years,so we know how this will play out.Some of it will be canceled in the first few months,some will last longer.Some new will be launched instead.Smells very much like New 52,but with added continuity problems.
Well, the Inhumans movie hasn't come out yet. There haven't been any Inhumans in the movies yet. Pure speculation on my part, but I would imagine the Inhuman movie will be about Attilan and the royal family.
Long ago debunked big forum semantics and leaving that at that. Like Talavar said the movie is a ways off and wasn't actually a sure thing until recently anyways. The same can be said for Dr.Strange and Carol Danvers so the reasoning doesn't add up aside a number of other fallacies already covered last year.
Whats so incredible?That some of the newly launched series will be canceled and replaced with something different?
Marvel isn't fighting Fox, they're partners. Marvel and Disney make part of the profit margin since they own the property and Fox is under contract with them. Hurting Fox would affect their own bottom line. The only time their at odds is when Fox isn't pulling a profit. At odds meaning in an irregular business stance but still helping one another. The emotional baggage belongs to hardwired readers and is projected on the two companies. Marvel isn't trying to affect the X-Men line. They profit on the sale of comic books. They make more X-Men books than they do Inhuman books, despite the weird claims by certain readers that they do not. Marvels upcoming is being pushed down to favor more top selling Star Wars books, nothing else. Marvel is reordering their line as they always do and DC as they always do. It's not a gimmick. You repaint and resell your existing product so your consumers won't become bored with it. Marvel reconstructed the Inhumans to be more reliable, naturally modelling them after books that do sell as the Inhumans normally do not. How would them selling Inhuman comics " stick it " to Fox movies bottom line? Like I said long ago debunked skepticism that showed up on the big forums is all. That in turn gets big sites page hits the same as skewering headlines gets the news views. People generally aren't excited by bland and easy answers, which is and in my opinion what life really is, thus they generate trumped up nonsense and rely on people to forget to check the numbers, or just look behind the curtain and see the man for themselves. In other words just another day at the old salt mine.
Because...them being a "hidden" civilization was outdated somehow?UNCANNY Inhumans?Really?
Since Marvel is adapting movies to comics,and they cant use mutants,they decided to replace them with Inhumans in both media.Because Terrigen mist now gives superpowers to EVERYONE,not hideously disfigures normal people like we saw before,right?Or to depowered mutants,or Crossbones?
Its a metaphor for puberty not an empowering fairy dust,people. <_<
Quote from: Spade on September 07, 2015, 07:21:34 AM
Because...them being a "hidden" civilization was outdated somehow?UNCANNY Inhumans?Really?
Since Marvel is adapting movies to comics,and they cant use mutants,they decided to replace them with Inhumans in both media.Because Terrigen mist now gives superpowers to EVERYONE,not hideously disfigures normal people like we saw before,right?Or to depowered mutants,or Crossbones?
Its a metaphor for puberty not an empowering fairy dust,people. <_<
It clearly doesn't give powers to everyone, in either the current comics or the TV shows. Don't know how you missed that.
Quote from: Talavar on September 07, 2015, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Spade on September 07, 2015, 07:21:34 AM
Because...them being a "hidden" civilization was outdated somehow?UNCANNY Inhumans?Really?
Since Marvel is adapting movies to comics,and they cant use mutants,they decided to replace them with Inhumans in both media.Because Terrigen mist now gives superpowers to EVERYONE,not hideously disfigures normal people like we saw before,right?Or to depowered mutants,or Crossbones?
Its a metaphor for puberty not an empowering fairy dust,people. <_<
It clearly doesn't give powers to everyone, in either the current comics or the TV shows. Don't know how you missed that.
It acts as an activator for Inhumans,or it did at least.
Crossbones is exposed to the mist and can then fire energy beams from his face,Quicksilver gets the weird time jumping ability,new Ms Marvel got her powers from the Mists,so did a bunch of other people.I belive even some Agents of SHIELD did too.
Lol. I dunno Spade. It isn't some sort of crime. A different writer is taking a story in a different direction than the writer who established it in the past did and a company is conforming to what's in or at least trying to in order to sell a product to a current generation and social climate of peoples. Nothing is out of order and certainly not a sign of some conspiracy. Believe what you wish. Imo I they're just comics, like them or don't but don't get worked up about especially for the reason that they are comics. Or do if that's how you prefer to enjoy things I guess. You should watch this though, it's pretty funny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUQfHRfX2o8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUQfHRfX2o8)
I'm going to add something here. " Defending the fantasy genre with terminal intensity ". That was exactly my hometowns LCS when I was a child. Those people would just rail be in an a furious nonsensical rage about my purchases. Specifically anything by Marvel, anything TMNT which wasn't printed by Mirage and anything that wasn't Batman basically. And I was a child you know? They even nicknamed me " Marvel Kid " in jest and to date when they come across me they pull that name out as a snarky barb for all the effect it has an a grown adult. But I ended up avoiding that place, naturally. I either bought comics at hardware or grocery stores, ordered them in the mail and if I really wanted back issues one of my uncles would go into the LCS to buy them for me. Applicable online because most of the large comic forum goers are actually children covering their age. It's a silly fun sketch granted to whose in it but it makes a solid point about just smelling the roses rather than being infuriated by the thorns. The point is I think you should allow yourself some more leeway and grace in the hobby you follow, if you can't let yourself enjoy and only because cynicism needs to have it's due what's the point? Though again that's on you whether or not to take that step that, it certainly doesn't become me even if it's sad to watch transpire.
Quote from: Spade on September 07, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
Quote from: Talavar on September 07, 2015, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Spade on September 07, 2015, 07:21:34 AM
Because...them being a "hidden" civilization was outdated somehow?UNCANNY Inhumans?Really?
Since Marvel is adapting movies to comics,and they cant use mutants,they decided to replace them with Inhumans in both media.Because Terrigen mist now gives superpowers to EVERYONE,not hideously disfigures normal people like we saw before,right?Or to depowered mutants,or Crossbones?
Its a metaphor for puberty not an empowering fairy dust,people. <_<
It clearly doesn't give powers to everyone, in either the current comics or the TV shows. Don't know how you missed that.
It acts as an activator for Inhumans,or it did at least.
Crossbones is exposed to the mist and can then fire energy beams from his face,Quicksilver gets the weird time jumping ability,new Ms Marvel got her powers from the Mists,so did a bunch of other people.I belive even some Agents of SHIELD did too.
Yeah, an activator for Inhumans. The new Ms. Marvel and Skye on Agents of Shield were both people descended from Inhumans - though without knowing it. Lots of other people were exposed and didn't get powers. Quicksilver never inhaled terrigen mists, but did something weird and unique with the crystals, so he's a weird exception. I don't know what's up with Crossbones, but maybe he was one of the unknown Inhuman descendents as well. It's doesn't work on everyone.
^^ SickAlice:
Sorry to hear that. My experiences at my local comic book store have almost always been great. The only person like that I've encountered is a regular who has an irrational hatred for the 60's Adam West Batman for "ruining" Batman, and thought Squadron Supreme was just a ripoff and didn't know the original Mark Gruenwald series was a deconstruction that got a lot of mileage out of the concept.
Don't be. It wasn't scaring or anything in fact was a learning experience that taught me to allow some elbow room when appreciating the arts. It's possible art school also helped there since I was drawn to a lot of unconventional work, like Francis Bacon for example. The barbs really meant nothing, I'm strong and the type that let's insults slide off my back usually trying not to laugh at how juvenile the person is acting in turn. But wow that place. I know I've mentioned this before but they hired someone to make a wall mural that said " Down With Archies " and after awhile refused to sell the Archies Turtles comics again. Fortunately I took a summer job at a video game rental store and the owner also sold comics and made them available to me. They also had a picture of Stan Lee with a steak cutting knife stuck in the forehead, lol. Other sorts of weird testimonies about like that between the unrealistically busty pin-up girl foldouts from Wizard Magazine of course. More it was their miserable attitudes and towards the craft itself that were off putting and why I didn't want to be around them. That and the pee smell of the shop. I've been to other shops that were more comfortable. The hardware store I mentioned actually ended becoming a comic/RPG station and the biggest in the valley beating out the LCS I grew up. I'm just illuminating though that I believe things are what we make of them and enjoyment is at least partly dictated by how we come into any experience and our subsequent mindset. The paradigm can be changed at the base and seeking anything other than happiness in life strikes me as illogical. Again just my caring and overstated advice, however one chooses to live is of course their right.
I've encountered the Adam West haters, more the ones who hate the old Super Friends cartoon believing it " killed " the DC icons. It of course didn't as the state of these characters proves today. Likewise all those shows ever did was generate mass interest in the characters and solidify them as household names, mileage as you put it. Again another case were the viewer is just channeling.
I just think that Inhumans(unlike mutants) should be somewhat low in numbers,since they are a closed society and that kinda makes them unique.Thats my 2 cents about it.
On your second point,some fandoms just hate themselves and thats it.Think comics are bad?Try playing the "wrong" tabletop game. XD
@Silver Shocker About that guy: Thats a pretty common mistake.People usually hold Watchman as the first deconstruction,but Squadron Supreme and Elementals did it before them.
It's not that hard to grasp Spade. The reason comic books are shifting from the concepts they used to have in the seventies, eighties and nineties is because those concepts where only there in the first place because they were relevant and things people at the time, us aging readers, and wanted to see. It's obviously no longer those eras and most people these days are not recalling those eras fondly as the days of yore nor looking for a media to reignite a sense of nostalgia that doesn't exist for them to begin with. Any industry needs to expand and to do so needs new customers else it sinks and more folds in much as many small to big name companies have done in the past decade (Marvel obviously, primary reason for the sale to Disney was it was projected that Marvel had reached it's apex and could no longer grow thus needing someone elses resources to tap). The things of current interest to people as you can clearly see by being online are human rights interests and equality, largely in the way of gender roles and lifestyle choices. As well of course terrorism and counter-terrorism, green party dichotomies like fracking and the effect of various energy emissions on everything around and a new branding of technology and design materials (cellphones and internet always featured prominently in comic books now, best example).
The times change whether anyone wishes they didn't or not, it's a matter of having an open mind and accepting change, going with the flow. There simply is no fault in the way they're doing and changing things now no more than there ever was. The 80's and 90's comics for that matter weren't either. Most readers from those eras perceive change from the original now where in contrast readers from the seventies saw the same thing in the 80's and 90's comics and them as flawed. The flaw of course is actually in human perception though and ignoring chronos, that is seeing 4th dimensionally. The New 52 was easily the standard of this. Many readers of the previous form of DC saw it as the artistic shift it was but clung to the notion that it no longer was what it used to be. Yet readers from the seventies saw that generations Post Crisis and Post-Zero Hour continuities and styles as a broken version of something that didn't need to be fixed.
So again the Inhumans can't be that way because they don't appeal to the consumer the way the are or the way you think they should be. That's fine for you and they could as well stay support characters then but that won't sell Inhuman comics will it? That should be clear by the fact that the Inhumans never were able to hold their own in the first place since they weren't what the majority of readers were looking for. The change is uncomfortable, I get that don't let me imply otherwise but it isn't actually wrong. I don't listen to most new music simply because it doesn't appeal to me. That doesn't mean it's out of place, doesn't have a market nor isn't dominating sales because the fact is it is. And I wasn't asking for advice on POV Spade, I don't need it as I don't seem to be the one that thinks comics are bad here, I was giving it. Or trying fruitlessly more likely.
At the end of the day you must know that if you can't stomach modern works, or the writing of people like say Bendis your to blame for subjecting yourself to it over and over again and the truth is it isn't bad as much as it doesn't match your own preferences. Just stop reading them and re-read what you actually enjoy. I do it especially with movies and video games and it works fine. The only hole was of course being compelled to keep on top of things but the advent of the internet all but solved that problem. I mean with the amount of TPB's and entire runs you've said you read in the past two months alone you would have spent a fortune, enough to buy a brand new television and maybe then some, so why would you gravitate towards runs by a writer you adamantly loathe?
Yes,I know how economy work,thank you.Again just my opinion,but political satire is something I could do without in superhero comics.
I dont hate everything,for the love of God.Right here I mentioned some great works like Skaar,King of Savage Land and Avengers by Hickman.
I dont read THAT much right now,and only Bendis writen book were X-men.I dont enjoy his works thus I avoid them,that all I can say.I took a glance at his GotG,saw I dont like it and DIDNT read it.
Trouble is that you cant really say much about a good story other then: Its great.But a bad story you could tear apart for days.So yeah,we talk a lot more about bad stories and it all seems a lot more negative then it is.
I beg to differ with exactly 100% of that but what more is to say? As before sorry for interrupting your thread.
AoA #4 So Havoks powers dont work on Burner?Thats odd...
Third summers brother?
Quote from: detourne_me on September 20, 2015, 07:11:50 AM
Third summers brother?
That seems to be the working theory.Fans pretty much accepted that Burner is Adam-X.We will know in the next issue.
X-tinction agenda is over.There is a bit of a stinger at the end.It would be cool if Havok keept this uniform after the (not)reboot.
I started Hawkeye by Matt Fraction.Its really fun,bro.
-Whats the dogs name?
-"Arrow"...I think we can do better then that. ;)
Me and my arrow... straight up and... never mind.
Quote from: daglob on September 23, 2015, 08:30:23 PM
Me and my arrow... straight up and... never mind.
Harry Nilsson?
I know some people wont like it but I have to ask: Did anyone else found AXIS dissapointing?It didnt cause the same hate as AvX,it was just kinda dull IMO.
You bet I did. Me and the guy who runs the comic book store kvetched about the series on a regular basis when it was coming out. I talked about how it wasn't as good as I was expecting from Remender (whose work I really enjoyed from book to book up to that point), and he agreed, but was also really annoyed at him not getting some of the issues shipped to the store, and how poorly it sold for an event book there, causing him to have way too much of it in stock. These days it's Convergence he complains about.
I can't remember if I said anything about it here when it was coming out, but I've always firmly believed that the story suffered for being made into an event book and would have been better off as just an story in Remender's Uncanny Avengers (which is what it started as, anyways). Well, we did get the Inverted characters, which was hit-or-miss (I found both the idea and execution of Kluh lame, though Superior Iron Man is a magnificent d-bag, and Carnage was very entertaining). Wasn't huge on the art either.
Spoiler
Doctor Voodoo being resurrected off screen purely because the plot demanded it was eye-rolling convenient, and makes you wonder why the characters don't just do that whenever they want. I think it might also contradict other stories too (like One More Day, but from what I heard, OMIT already did that anyway)
Yeah,Carnage and Hobgoblin were pretty fun to read.And that's one of the few highpoint.Everyone treating Magneto as evil for shooting Red Skull is cringe worthy.
In general inverted villains are entertaining,while inverted heroes are pretty generic in their evil.I didn't like Kluh either.And ofc,heroes end up fighting among themselves.I guess its tradition now,so why not? :huh:
Oh yeah, I forgot about Hobgoblin. Axis: Hobgoblin was a fun little miniseries. It reminded me of Saul from Breaking Bad because of the marketing campaign angle.
Haven't read Axis: Carnage. I was strictly commending on him in the main book. I may have to go back and read that mini sometime (still haven't finished Superior Carnage yet).
Quote from: Silver Shocker on September 25, 2015, 03:01:20 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot about Hobgoblin. Axis: Hobgoblin was a fun little miniseries. It reminded me of Saul from Breaking Bad because of the marketing campaign angle.
Haven't read Axis: Carnage. I was strictly commending on him in the main book. I may have to go back and read that mini sometime (still haven't finished Superior Carnage yet).
Im not for redeeming Carnage and Sabretooth,but "heroic" Carnage was a blast to read. :thumbup:
Your friendly neighborhood Carnage-man.
Spider-man: Thats just disturbing.AND COPYRIGHTS INFRINGEMENT! :lol:
Speaking of Spidey,hes moving to San Francisco?
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/spidey-heads-to-san-francisco-in-amazing-spider-ma/1100-153670/ (http://www.comicvine.com/articles/spidey-heads-to-san-francisco-in-amazing-spider-ma/1100-153670/)
Ohh man, Marvel is talking about putting out a book based on the 90s X-Men cartoon. This could actually get me to buy a modern Marvel book, which hasn't happened in...well, when did they stop publishing those Marvel Adventures book? :P
https://games.yahoo.com/news/92-x-men-coming-different-234700746.html
There's just one thing I don't get; it seems that Marvel is going to make it about the classic show continuity, but they are also shoe-horning in someone named Casandra Nova's students as part of the school. I don't know or care who that is, and I know nothing about these characters. I assume that this book is designed to appeal to folks like me, folks who loved the old 'toon, but who aren't interested in modern Marvel continuity. So, how does it make sense to inject that continuity that presumably doesn't interest your target audience into the book?
^X-men 92 are already ongoing as part of SW.Its a digital comic and there are 7 issues out.Its fairly decent.Cassandra is a bit better villain then in New X-men,thats all I can say,really.
P.S. Yes,Marvel Adventures were great. :)
Interesting, Spade! I had no idea! So, do I have to have any background besides the 'toon to follow the series? If not, I think I'll pick 'em up.
Rumor has it that X-men'92 is going to be an ongoing series. Maybe they will continue from where the cartoon left off
@Benton Basicly everything you need to now is explained on the first page.Its easy to catch up.Its part of the Battleworld,but that doesnt play into the story.
Also,if anyone wants a fun series,not continuity heavy: Little Marvel: AvX babies.Seriously,its really good.
And speaking of 90's X-men,X-tinction agenda was solid.
Thats my 2 cents about SW X-men books.There are others,but I cant comment on those.
Haha, that's the same story I just posted. ^_^
My bad...
Anyone liked Revolutionary War?Thats was actually a good event.Im really starting to like Marvel UK characters.
No worries, I just thought it was funny. It's still good news. :)
Quote from: Spade on September 26, 2015, 05:57:57 AM
Also,if anyone wants a fun series,not continuity heavy: Little Marvel: AvX babies.Seriously,its really good.
Actually, I'd been meaning to respond to SickAlice's post on AvX Babies from several pages ago for a long time, so now's the best time to do so:
QuoteAvX: I have no interest in Skottie Young and I never have. I actually draw cute cartoons better than he does for one and he's the one that's a professional. For two I do think he is talented and shows it when he challenges himself but he keeps taking the lazy way out and drawing this garbage instead all the while diminishing his real art skills over time. It's fine to cartoon, sure, but even the elders in that field will tell you if you don't continually stretch outside of that single style your overall skills will diminish and your art will lose it's soul. I get even more irked by the fact my bonus covers are constantly dominated by this huey as well my bonus backstories. Does he give Marvel discount? Thank Doom Marvel actually sprung the extra dough to get Ross to the covers for SW instead of that manchild. I may have died from the sheer banality. That also means Howard The Human is a no as well. On a side note what even is that? Isn't the whole appeal of that character supposed to be that he's not human, rather a duck? That would be liking publishing a book about Steve Rogers: Gas Station Attendant. Sounds like a waste of paper and everyone's hard earned moola to me.
I'm glad someone else thinks Scottie Young sucks. I pretty much agree with everything in the above quote. Would never waste my money or time on AvX babies, would probably read every other Marvel and DC superhero comic first.
Its just a fun all-age comic,you cant really expect it to be the next Watchman or anything.Just sayin...
I didn't say it was. I didn't even comment on the writing in any way (though I can safely assume it would be a series of comedic cartoon-like done-in-one stories). I was strictly speaking of the fact that it's built around a artist who's art style is almost completely unappealing to me. Generally I do not buy comics I know in advance I'm not going to enjoy.
As long as I'm responding to slightly older posts, and slightly on-topic, I personally don't agree that the Marvel Adventures line was better than the main comics. I'd read a decent chunk of them on marvel's digital comic service, and while they have some good qualities, I wasn't that impressed with them, the lack of continuity and development held them back, and there was some sub-par art in some issues. It's possible they got better past where I got, but I kinda doubt it.
If you like those, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm just giving my take on the comics in question.
No problem.I get what your saying.
http://sciencefiction.com/2015/09/18/inhumans-killing-off-x-men-new-different-marvels-extraordinary-x-men/ (http://sciencefiction.com/2015/09/18/inhumans-killing-off-x-men-new-different-marvels-extraordinary-x-men/)
I had (cant really say high) hopes for Jeff Lamires X-men,but then this rolls in.Looks like the first storyline establishes that Terrigen Mists are not only killing mutants but also sterilaze them.
X-men are dead,live long the Inhumans! <_<
Or in the immortal words of John Constantine: Up yours,Marvel!
Lame lame lame. I'm starting to get tired of Marvel and Fox's pissing contest, but more than anything else, this is just lazy, redundant (it's just M Day all over again) and restrictive to writers. Sterilized means no characters can have children (then again this is Marvel we're talking about). It also means Marvel's going to need one hell of a retcon or storyline to undo it down the line. This also means we can look forward to some more C-list cannon fodder killings, preventing writers of lower-profile books from using cult favorite or obscure characters and having to jump through hoops if they want to bring anyone back, which I'm truly, truly sick of at this point.
In addition to that, it's all about propping up the Inhumans, who I really don't care about. I don't think I'll ever care about them, except maybe Kamala Khan and Blizzard. And that's supposed to be the trade off for sabotaging one of the all-time best Marvel properties. :( Count me in as someone whose interest in Lamire's X-Men is hurt because of this.
This ofc comes after yet another failed negotiation with Fox.Also going thru ANAD list I notice there is no Fantastic Four.At all.[And CM Punk is writing Drax.That I have to see]
There are 2-3 Wolverine titles ,which Im not really interested in.Duggan stays on Deadpool.And Uncanny X-men by Cullen Bun and [drumroll] Greg Land.Im dont know what to expect there.
Is this really that big of a deal? I mean there will more than half a dozen x-titles on the shelves and they are bringing back a 90s X-Book. This seems more like they are pushing Inhumans to for forefront which isn't a bad idea given how connected everything is with the other Marvel Properties while giving the X-Men their own breathing room. Also given what Fox did to Fantastic Four can you blame Marvel for canceling an already low selling comic?
Fox recently announced Fantastic Four 2,new Wolverine movie,New Mutants and X-Factor movies.So Marvel isn't exactly slowing them down this way.
In terms of sale FF was never really a powerhouse like X-men or Avengers.But still I would like to believe there is a place for Marvels first family somewhere.
Got nothing against Inhumans,but this shilling is a bit annoying.Mostly because it comes on the account of X-men.Another massive killing/depowering/sterilization of mutants?Thats just lazy.
Yes,there will be X-books around but would you pick them up just to see X-men killed off by Inhumans(indirectly in this case)?
#CableWasRight
I don't think I'd buy any book just to see characters killed off. A story has to have something else to offer than a snuff film.
And before anyone mentions "The Death of Captain Marvel" or "The Death of Wolverine" (both of which I really need to read sometime) in the case of the former, the C list canon fodder trope was, to my knowledge, never a big problem prior to the last 10-20 years of comics. In the case of the latter: 1. Wolverine's had some really good creative teams in recent years, such as Jason Aaron, so that's made me want to read his book 2. A list characters always come back in about 2 years, so their dying in a high profile story line doesn't do that much damage. As I said earlier, as with M-Day, it'll be C-listers who will be affected by this. They won't be killing Storm, Colossus ect in droves all at once unless it's a higher profile, heavily marketed event.
^ Technically they aren't being depowered this time right?
I hope not.Thou you can never tell. :unsure:
Sad thing is: Jeff Lemire can do better then this.Editorial mandate or not-this is just a rehash of an already maligned story.
And speaking of rehashing,here is a page from upcoming Uncanny:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQGhnP5WcAAkSbJ.jpg:small)
LAAAAND!
Oh, Land, I'm not sure which is worse. That the higher ups at Marvel genuinely think you're a good artist, or that you do in fact have the negatives. ;)
On the topic of Lemire, while it's DC and not Marvel, I did his Superboy run and some of Justice League United (haven't finished it though) and thought those were decent. Need to read All-New Hawkeye one day.
Bloodshot Reborn,all Im gonna say.
Its supposed to be Monet on the above page.Its easy to miss since she has the same face and hairstyle as every other woman drawn by Land.
So I'm not picking up the new volume of Amazing Spider-Man, because, as mentioned earlier, I won't buy a book I know I won't enjoy, but I did see an article about what happens in it.
Spoiler
Doc Ock is back in the mind of the Living Brain, a robot who he appropriated (aka stole) to use as his assistant during Inferior Spider-Man.
Seriously, just let. him. DIE. You've had over thirty issues of this character, and because of them, I no longer want to see that character again. I don't even like seeing him in other mediums now because it reminds me of the comic version. I knew Ock was coming back, cuz they seeded it earlier, twice in fact. But that's the problem. One of the only good things in Spider-Verse was Ock getting this epic, righteous beatdown that exposed him for the selfish villain that he is. And I couldn't even fully enjoy it because he was already set up to come back. The only way I'd be onboard for this would be if Otto was being put on a roller coaster ride of humbling humiliation, but that isn't going to happen (I've seen a scan of the last page cliffhanger, and he's being played up as "trouble").
In addition, a 616 version of Regent, the villain from Renew Your Vows, debuts in this comic, so I guess that's supposed to make it seem like RYV mattered. Except that would only be the case if it was the same character with the same memories and history.
So glad I didn't shell out the $5.99 (yes, FIVE NINETY NINE!) for this junk. Also, Dan Slott, the "Micheal Jordan of comics"? Yeah, just go ahead and imagine me doing an "obscene gesture" Starlord style.
Yeah, I won't lampshade the snark on this. Marvel just blew it. It's Forever Evil all over again. Same excuse given too " Using the additional time to give all of you content that we know you'll love. It'll be worth the wait. " or some such. Lol, whatever. Why can't they just own it like the Indy companies do and say " Sorry sorry we messed this one up. ". Good grief. Still enjoying the series anyways and some of the odd titles. Picked up my ANAD ones today, not in a rush to open them until I finish the SWS and DC stacks though. Again I am thankful for this overhaul and the DC one as it allowed me to get away from multiple tie-ins and start over my pull list, much smaller now with more room for indy stuff so the pay-off was worth the wait as I hoped it would be.
From what I saw in the reviews Peter Parker just became Tony Stark.
New Squadron Supreme will be fixing alternate realities.Basicly Exiles.James Robinson is writing it,so Im not sure if Im interested or just scared.
ASM is packed with the usual Slott tropes. So it's either you love his style and it will appeal to you or you don't and it won't. I'm in the latter category though like X-Men and Batman Spider-man is one of my staple titles and I tend to ride it out even when it's not digestible to me. I think back and I've actually read Spider-man since my first Kraven's Last Hunt issues. Regardless I won't bag on Slott and the reasons I don't like his take but it's not how I take my Peter. I digress and again too it looks silly on the surface but Spider-woman by Hopeless is the Spider book not to miss out on especially if you liked the NOW run of Dardevil as it has the same flavor. That book has all the down to Earthness, character, intimacy and fun one would want from a Spider book.
http://www.denofgeek.us/books-comics/spider-man/247319/spider-man-renew-your-vows-how-it-renews-peter-parker (http://www.denofgeek.us/books-comics/spider-man/247319/spider-man-renew-your-vows-how-it-renews-peter-parker)
I have to ask: Am I the only one who didnt see how Peter was refreshed? :unsure:
No offense to those who liked it,but Renew your vows was pretty pointless IMO.
Quote from: SickAlice on October 08, 2015, 11:49:22 AM
ASM is packed with the usual Slott tropes. So it's either you love his style and it will appeal to you or you don't and it won't. I'm in the latter category though like X-Men and Batman Spider-man is one of my staple titles and I tend to ride it out even when it's not digestible to me. I think back and I've actually read Spider-man since my first Kraven's Last Hunt issues. Regardless I won't bag on Slott and the reasons I don't like his take but it's not how I take my Peter. I digress and again too it looks silly on the surface but Spider-woman by Hopeless is the Spider book not to miss out on especially if you liked the NOW run of Dardevil as it has the same flavor. That book has all the down to Earthness, character, intimacy and fun one would want from a Spider book.
That's fair, if you find enough positives to enjoy it then good for you; I will say I respect your opinion since you acknowledge there are flaws or otherwise elements that aren't for everyone. Funny thing is, I used to be a big fan of Slott's Spider-Man, from the start of Brand New Day up until somewhere between Big Time and Inferior. I appreciated his tendency for subplots, good pacing, supporting characters, and lots of continuity references (these are my positives for his entire run, btw. All of these are still present). Any problems I had were minor and not a deal breaker, making my feelings on that era the polar opposite of my feelings on Inferior. That being sad, there were always early warning signs in his work. His treatment of the Young Avengers Stature and Vision, or the New Warriors, both in She-Hulk, is a good example. As is his portrayal of Phil Ulrich as an unrepentant monster (albeit an entertaining one, IMO) instead of a former hero turned victim of mental illness. He seems more interested in "his" version of a character, plot point, ect, nullifying the good will of having them show up at all. I will say that Carlie Cooper has sucked ever since early Big Time.
The problem is he's been on the book too long. Even some supporters of his run have admitted that. For example, he's had at least 3 big Swan Song stories (four if you want to count Spider-Island). Some say he's burnt out; I don't know about that. But I do think his run is starting to repeat itself in a lot of places, and problems with the book are starting to snowball and build up.
Case in point: Doc Ock. The irony is I had no significant issues with Ends of the Earth and Dying Wish (despite Spider-Torture and Ock turning from a villain with some redeeming qualities to a genocidal monster who was more than happy to Godwin himself). But Inferior went on for so long, that version of Ock was so unlikable, and with him never going away it's been said many times that Slott is more interested in writing Otto (something he's at least joked about in interviews).
Spoiler
As for the new volume? Doc Ock's back? Doc Ock was gone for like 3 issues! It might mean more if we actually moved on from this character for a while, but thanks to that piece of crap Spider-Verse, that never happened.
Quotehttp://www.denofgeek.us/books-comics/spider-man/247319/spider-man-renew-your-vows-how-it-renews-peter-parker
I have to ask: Am I the only one who didnt see how Peter was refreshed? :unsure:
No offense to those who liked it,but Renew your vows was pretty pointless IMO.
I skimmed the article, it was TL;DR. Though I am dubious about it; if nothing else, it mistakenly listed Mark Bagley as one of the creative team on Spider-Girl. To my memory he only worked on the U.K. only stories.
I will disagree that the Spidey creative team had it out for Spider-Girl. I've heard it said many times that Quesada ect. were quite supportive of the book and gave it many extra chances despite low sales. They even published new stories in that universe in the pages of a Spidey anthology book during Brand New Day. The one main exception was the pseudo Mayday in One More Day. For whatever reason, that didn't bother me, but then again, neither did the straw nerd until Linkara pointed it out in his review.
Spider-Verse on the other hand... (don't get me started; that's a rant for another day)
Back on topic:
If you're looking for more well-rounded criticism of modern Spidey you should check out the Spider-Man Crawl Space fansite. Very well thought out, scintillating discussion of all things Spidey, including the post OMD stuff, and far less toxic than some would have you believe. A lot of the good points made by the people there have shaped my feelings on the current run. The podcast is especially entertaining. And I'm pretty sure they will be others there who share your opinion on RYV.
I haven't read it (I might read it on Digital Comics Unlimited one day) so I can't speak from first hand experience but from what I've read, the Peter-Mary Jane-daughter dynamic was pretty widely praised. But since I know it was an alternate universe mini and them being married didn't carry over, it just doesn't sound like it would hold impact. In the main canon, Peter often acts immature, and I doubt that will change as long as Slott is the writer because he does not seem to grow as an artist or storyteller. I've heard people say Peter's finally acting mature now, but the same issue also features him discovering he gave a speech with his fly open so I doubt it. Such was said about Big Time and Horizon Labs, but that also featured a comparable joke involving pornography. I just don't see a real sense of maturity that I recognized immediately in JMS' run and other various stories such as Gerry Conway's pretty good recent outing, Spiral. I do feel like I've grown tired of Spidey (at least this version of him), it just took me a lot longer than some people.
The ultimate irony is that due to controversial storylines, and Slott's online persona, criticism of the book, including constructive and well-rounded criticism, has gained a toxic, negative connotation that it never should have. Discussion of literature and entertainment must always allow for criticism, and is better for it. I don't know how many people in nerd culture know this, but in the days of Greek and Roman theater, criticism was seen as an art form in and of itself, since it was strictly the domain of the wealthy and high-cultured.
I do feel like the healthiest thing to do, as someone displeased with the run, is to get some distance from the run, and dropping the book was the best way to do so for me. I am still giving my thoughts on the book, since I've had a lot to get off my chest, but also because my feelings on it have changed over time. There are still lots of other Spidey stuff elsewhere (I just recently finished a pretty-darn-good Spidey video game), and there's a nice buildup of other Spidey books I can always read that I likely will enjoy more.
Outside of Superior Spider-man I havent read Slotts run so I cant judge.And I found Superior to be a very mixed bag,like I said before.
My problem with RYV was almost the same as with X-men.Marvel editors promised big thing,from retconing OMD to the return of Ben Reilley,but none of those things seem to stick afters SW.
Basicly SW manages to be pretty much like Convergence.Old characters are back for a while,people wonder if its a reboot,but once its done-everything is pretty much the same as before.
Quote from: Spade on October 14, 2015, 09:08:02 AM
Outside of Superior Spider-man I havent read Slotts run so I cant judge.And I found Superior to be a very mixed bag,like I said before.
My problem with RYV was almost the same as with X-men.Marvel editors promised big thing,from retconing OMD to the return of Ben Reilley,but none of those things seem to stick afters SW.
Basicly SW manages to be pretty much like Convergence.Old characters are back for a while,people wonder if its a reboot,but once its done-everything is pretty much the same as before.
Can't comment on Secret Wars since I haven't read that either (I fell out of Hickman's Avengers a long time ago, and besides, it's not finished yet anyways right) but I also never had time to read any interviews so I don't know what was promised or implied. I'm not sure if I feel that should be a negative against the story itself, but it could have been so much misdirection. Marvel writers and editors often play coy in interviews, especially concerning mystery stories.
Forgot to comment on this:
Quote from: SickAlice on October 07, 2015, 11:26:42 PM
Yeah, I won't lampshade the snark on this. Marvel just blew it. It's Forever Evil all over again. Same excuse given too " Using the additional time to give all of you content that we know you'll love. It'll be worth the wait. " or some such. Lol, whatever.
I didn't think Forever Evil was
that bad about it, but I was a big fan of that series and the delays never bothered me as much as they did other people. I do admit I had a huge bias going in though.
Ya, from what I saw, the first Invincible Iron Man had a pretty big spoiler for the status quo of an important character post Secret Wars that really should have hit after the series had concluded. I think it's a bit of a shame, but I wasn't reading the books so my investment was pretty low. I don't know what went wrong (maybe the artist had trouble meeting deadlines) but I had fewer books to pick up during Secret Wars so this actually works out ok for me.
QuoteWhy can't they just own it like the Indy companies do and say " Sorry sorry we messed this one up. ".
*cough* On Time in 09. Oh wait, I'm not supposed to talk about that. ;)
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Good grief. Still enjoying the series anyways and some of the odd titles. Picked up my ANAD ones today, not in a rush to open them until I finish the SWS and DC stacks though.
I've actually had a lot of trouble keeping up on my books, even with the reduced number coming in due to SW, due to other factors in my life. Sadly, the situation
isn't going to improve when SW ends, so I'm just going to fall further behind. I can't remember if I ever said this here, but about a year ago I was actually seriously considering quitting comics. Due to a number of factors, I wasn't enjoying the hobby as much anymore, and it had gathered a lot of negative baggage it never should have. I didn't give up on them, though I did skip a Wednesday visit for the first time in all my time getting comics (right now I reserve copies most weeks, and will likely continue to) and I did manage to bounce back and go back to getting some joy out of the hobby, largely due to fun books like Ant-Man.
On a different topic, since I don't think it's been brought up: did anyone see the teaser for Civil War 2 or the upcoming Avengers crossover Standoff? I can barely imagine what a new Civil War made now would be like, but I am curious if it'd be a good read (I actually quite liked the original back in the day, but I knew a lot less about politics at the time and I have my doubts I'd like it as much nowadays if I read it again). As for Standoff, I'd only have to buy two extra books for the crossover, so I'm actually kinda on board for it.
Uncanny Avengers #1 Team just expanded to include Inhumans. :thumbdown:
And the mutants are
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apparently all missing.And Rogue has terrigen poisoning.So yeah its global. <_<
Its the most average book I have seen in months.Nothing stands out,but nothing is all that bad.And the villain is
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The Maker
So...spoiler for Secret Wars?
That's disappointing (didn't read the spoiler, I'll wait to read it myself). That was the book I was most optimistic about and I reserved a copy at my local shop just today. I'll pick it up next week and see for myself if it's any good. I will say that a lot of books start slow in their first issue and take a while to get going.
@Silver Shocker: I may have mistyped that. I'm not a fan of Slotts Peter. I just always stick with mainstay books regardless, sort of as a foundation to the craft (ASM, UXM, Detective Comics, GLC, Harley Quinn in whatever book, Ninja Turtles). I just don't want to bash here but in short he can't write Peter Parker or is intimated by the character. He keeps making strides to write a "different version" of Peter and build a different cast and world around him. Even now this version of Peter really isn't Parker, it's some callous assuming version of his making. Peter is supposed to be the intimate, confused, passionate every person who never let's go of the people he cares for and always puts their needs before his own. That and Slott has been rehashing event cliches since about Spider-Island. I think he was a delight when he first came on the series, I enjoyed the Gauntlet in particular but I think any writer can overstay their welcome and it's just time for a fresh perspective. I was also a little miffed that the SWS titles all centered around his takes on the character considering there's a volume of history in Spider-mans legacy. Personally I think he just has the character in a stranglehold at this point and can't wait for him to move on. Though I do like the family titles again especially Spider-woman and 2099. Also I liked Forever Evil. It's merits weren't what I was speaking about. While published DC screwed up and the ending of FE didn't coincide with the new DC releases. That's what I mean by "pulled a Forever Evil". Marvel really blew the end of Secret Wars into ANAD. That's a little messed up for something they say they've been building for a decade.
As for ANAD in short it's basically Marvel makes teams of second and third stringers and Peter Parker is Steve Jobs. Most of the books don't appeal to me thus far with the exceptions of Angela, A-Force and Weirdworld. I'm okay with this again because I wanted to cut down on books from both Marvel and DC and pick up more Independents and trades thereof, now is the chance for that. I can totally see the day coming where Marvel does the whole "return of the classics" bit too. Not a real loss. Guardians Of The Galaxy makes exactly no sense BTW, it's Bendis's NA all over again. UA was awful sorry. NA with AIM is decent. A-Force, Spider-woman and 2099 are still on point. I don't read Gwen so no idea there.
Peter Parker is a rich,handsome genius with his own coorporation,who dates supermodels.So his not exactly the most relatable guy around.
I still hold that Ultimate Peter was a way better character.I didnt like a lot of his other works,but Bendis did a great job with Ultimate Spiderman.
After reading Spidey 2099, Peter is a good guy type Tony Stark. Miles & Gwen are going to be like the old Peter back in the Lee/ Romnita Sr days. I'm kind of glad I picked up Renew Your Vows because I don't think I want to see Peter with Mary Jane anytime soon
That. More though it's the attitude and how aloof he is. Peter could have all that in his life IF he still acted like Peter. Emotional strung and the heart of Marvel Comics. It's the fact that Slotts doesn't that bothers me the most. Peter is any of us, he makes emotional outbursts and says things he regrets but then goes to do something about his mistakes or at least try and fail. To me I'm reading something that looks like Peter but is missing his heart if that makes any sense.
I like Bendis past his later Avengers stuff and GOTG. I think he got to that big name point where he was doing the job rather than just writing the stories. He's hardly the only one who will be that way but he sticks out and gets more grief for it given his station. I wouldn't doubt for a second that they wanted to bring back Ultimate Peter and make him the new one. Marvel has been dying to reset Spider-man for years. But there's no way the longtime readers would go for it. Personally giving how convoluted the canon version has become though I can't see why. I'm on the fence about Miles now so I guess I'll see when it comes out. The appeal was the same, with Miles he was a clean slate and they could just focus on the writing and character. I fear though a lot of the focus will be on making him a household name and integrated him into the new Marvel U. I already see 616 characters in his preview. Then again I think Spider-men, when Miles crossed over, read very well so maybe he'll just fit. At any rate the state of Spider-man is in a weird state. 2099 is the only one that's true to character right now imo.
Well I guess its been enought time now,so I can talk about New Avengers #1.
Basicly 2 problems
-The writing is almost random.Team members from Avengers,Young Avengers,Secret Avengers,Thunderbolts,Squirrel Girl(Why?)...Zombies with crystals instead of head?Is this Adventure Time of something?Maker manages to be the highpoint thou.
-Manga-style art-style just doesnt work for this book.And the artwork itself is muddy and washed out.
(But its still miles better then Uncanny Avengers) :)
So far, I'm not feeling the new Avengers books. A.I.M is ok because I like Squirrel Girl, but the story is not all that. The other Avengers book is just.....wrong. Steve is acting like Fury (the white one), I'm not feeling Deadpool, and why in the world is Brother VooDoo is in the group??? I kinda missed the old Avengers from the 80's-90's now. I hope it gets better.
Same. Glad I'm not the only one not feeling UA. That's already a pass on my pull list here. The first issue felt degrading. NA is iffy. Mainly I like Songbird a lot and want to see her through again. But again it gets a decent from me and that's about it. Totally agree that the Maker is the highlight as well. I suppose when it comes to Sunspots Avengers Hyperion was spoken for elsewhere and that left the Zebra Kids so it's not like there was much to draw from. They probably has to pick from the left overs after the other books grabbed all the big name characters. Really the whole thing smells like a marketing push to expand 2nd and 3rd tier characters into more well known to me.
^That has crossed my mind.I would dare to say that #1 somewhat reminds me of the JLI.But I will wait and see how this develops. :)
It shows promise,even if the execution is a bit lacking.
PS. AoA #5 is coming this week,so we will get that resolution.
We already knew it from #4,but
AoA #5 confirms it:
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Burner is Adam,the brother of Cyclops and Havoc.And for once everybody was right
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BTW Nicieza expressed desire to return to X-men full time,but sadly dont think that will happen.Thou hes writing Cable and Deadpool.
I just don't even know with Marvel right now but again it's sort of a good thing. I could sort of care less about AoA unless it returns AoA Blink to the fold. What I would like is if the events of 92' pan out.
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This was the return of the classic Generation X team and characters.
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2015/10/26/robotalk-an-interview-with-descender-creators-jeff-lemire-and-dustin-nguyen/ (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2015/10/26/robotalk-an-interview-with-descender-creators-jeff-lemire-and-dustin-nguyen/)
There is some talk about X-men.Jeff does have a few different stories planned if its any comfort.
BTW Punisher is missing from New60.Now thats plain weird.
Quote from: Spade on October 26, 2015, 06:34:45 PM
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2015/10/26/robotalk-an-interview-with-descender-creators-jeff-lemire-and-dustin-nguyen/ (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2015/10/26/robotalk-an-interview-with-descender-creators-jeff-lemire-and-dustin-nguyen/)
There is some talk about X-men.Jeff does have a few different stories planned if its any comfort.
BTW Punisher is missing from New60.Now thats plain weird.
I may have missed something, but what's New60? is that a site that lists comics coming out?
That's good for Jeff Lemire, but I'm still soured on this whole X-Men thing, and I've never been super into Lemire's other work from the DC books I read by him. Lots of writers have more plans than they end up being able to write (Sean Mckeever's Young Allies were cancelled after
six issues, and he had to resolve his plots in a follow up miniseries) and I kinda imagine the Terrogen mist side-effects will be more of a subplot running through more than one storyarc. That's how a lot of X-Men runs have gone.
I still haven't read Uncanny Avengers, but I might chime in some more on the X-Men situation when I do.
QuoteI may have mistyped that. I'm not a fan of Slotts Peter. I just always stick with mainstay books regardless, sort of as a foundation to the craft (ASM, UXM, Detective Comics, GLC, Harley Quinn in whatever book, Ninja Turtles). I just don't want to bash here but in short he can't write Peter Parker or is intimated by the character. He keeps making strides to write a "different version" of Peter and build a different cast and world around him. Even now this version of Peter really isn't Parker, it's some callous assuming version of his making. Peter is supposed to be the intimate, confused, passionate every person who never let's go of the people he cares for and always puts their needs before his own. That and Slott has been rehashing event cliches since about Spider-Island. I think he was a delight when he first came on the series, I enjoyed the Gauntlet in particular but I think any writer can overstay their welcome and it's just time for a fresh perspective. I was also a little miffed that the SWS titles all centered around his takes on the character considering there's a volume of history in Spider-mans legacy. Personally I think he just has the character in a stranglehold at this point and can't wait for him to move on. Though I do like the family titles again especially Spider-woman and 2099.
I didn't quite catch this post until just now, so I'll reply to it here. What's "SWS" stand for? Spider-Woman and Silk? That part threw me.
I'm not sure when the last time I actually related with Peter Parker/Spider-Man was. I feels like it's been awhile. I related to and sympathized with him a lot when I was in junior high and high school and had just starting picking up Spidey comics.
On the topic of Spidey's history, there's a new series coming out called "Spidey". As I understand it's supposed to be a younger version of the character who's still in high school. It's not something I'm personally interesting in but it is a different take on the character and it could very well be a good.
QuoteWe already knew it from #4,but AoA #5 confirms it:
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BTW Nicieza expressed desire to return to X-men full time,but sadly dont think that will happen.Thou hes writing Cable and Deadpool.
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I read an appearance by the older version of Adam X in Fabian's short-lived Captain Marvel book (which I really liked) and while the character was oh-so 90's in design, Fabian did take writing him seriously (I imagine he was taking the opportunity to carry one of his X-Men plots over into another book) and I've heard many times he intended him to be the third Summer's Brother.
I heard Nicieza talked about his experience writing X-Men books in a podcast years ago and talked about later writers will change stuff after their predecessor's are gone so I'm sure he was happy to recycle his unused ideas in an alternate universe miniseries. I'm kinda surprised he doesn't get more opportunities to write X-Men books other than Deadpool, giving how many X-Men books there have been over the years. I don't know how likely that is now, given the current status quo of the X-Men. Looking forward to picking up the print version of C&D when it comes out in December. Loved the original series, warts and all.
Thats kinda of a nickname for ANAD universe since there are around 60 titles and..you know New52...not funny I know. :rolleyes:
Well Jeff Lemire is better at solo titles then at team ones anyway.And seeing that series now come out in "seasons" hardly anything will go for over 20 issues.
I guess we can only hope it will get better after the first story?
There is actually a good number of characters missing currently.I guess they will all eventually get reintroduced.I doubt they would ditch Punisher right before his appearance on Daredevil?
Marvel won me over today as most of my choice titles were up. Aside IXth Generation, Ninja Turtles and Batman & Robin Eternal today was a good comic day. For Marvel SWS wraps in Where Monsters Dwell (spoiler:Phantom Eagle is official the biggest pile of dung in the MU) and House Of M (good start to finish). Else Angela's new series and it gets better straight away. Again I digress that this is the Thor book in the traditional sense as opposed to the Jane one's somewhat Bay-sih elements. Classical mythology elements blended with a powerful, unswerving, fiery protagonist and rich art to boot. Deadpool Vs Thanos is surprisingly funny and well read. New Avengers #2 read a little better than the last. Maker is still the highlight. The story is good but the characterization is poor where the team members are very 2-dimensional and cardboard cutout like. Hopefully that will change and these were just the establishing stories.
And Spider-man 2099 is choice with me as I loved the original series. I'm liking the new scorned Miguel. I think I figured out Marvels Spider-man angle now and it's too represent the most popular Peter era's in different characters. Miles is the classic young and spry one finding his footing in the world and himself all the while pursuing young love. Jessica is the 80's street Spider-man who deals with the personal local problems as a snoop. Miguel is the edgy, fast and angry 90's Spider-man while Peter is Slott's (Big Time) version. Where Gwen fits in I don't know, seemingly though as her own thing.
@Silver Shocker: SWS: Secret Wars 2015, SW: Secret Wars classic, MU: Marvel Universe, DR: Dark Reign, HA: Herioc Age, NOW: Marvel Now, ANAD: All New All Different era.
Honestly again either Spider-woman or 2099 are the way to go. Probably the latter if I'm guessing that was your youth as well though personally Spider-woman reads the best. I dropped Silk and the character already read flat to me even in Slott's ASM but to each their own.
Yeah,New Avengers #2 was a bit better.Sadly thats still lands it somewher in the average range.And it zooms a bit too fast for any kind of character drama.
No Peter who works as a teacher?Ah,the glory days of early JMS Amazing and Mark Millars MK Spider-man.I liked Kaine and Venom from NOW era,I really thought they will stick around.Yeah,Venom-Space Knight just doesnt sound interesting to me.
http://www.newsarama.com/26559-spoilers-a-surprise-x-man-returns-in-extraordinary-x-men-1.html (http://www.newsarama.com/26559-spoilers-a-surprise-x-man-returns-in-extraordinary-x-men-1.html)
Guess whos back in Extraordinary X-men?If its now just a vision/dream or a ghost.
Also Storm is pretty much echoing things Cable said to her way back in Cable and X-force.
So I got caught up in my comics a few days ago. Read New Avengers, Uncanny Avengers, Guardians, and Ant-Man.
New Avengers: I know a lot of people have been unimpressed by this book, and so I had my expectations set fairy low. That being sad, I liked it. It's short, it skips over recruiting the characters and setting up the team, and it's strictly setting up the arc, but other than that I didn't think it was that bad. It's not great, but I'm still willing to pick up more. I liked the gag with Hawkeye, and I especially liked the tease in Avengers #0 where they play up future storylines. I've seen other books, such as Wolverine and the X-Men by Jason Aaron, do that and it's a good way to get me intrigued at future stories. I liked the art more than I thought I would. I fully admit that I'm going in with a massive bias because I'm a fan of Wiccan, Hulkling, Songbird, and to a lesser extent the Victor Alvarez Power Man.
Uncanny Avengers: Not impressed with this one. Old man Steve Rogers running around like a superhero is ridiculous, A good chunk of the issue is spent on bickering, the X-Men are dying because Fox, Pietro's new costume still sucks, and Stegman's art has been better in the past. We have a tease for a new villain who I'm not interested in at all. I'm not sure about this book. I'll probably pick up the next one, but it'll have to improve soon if I'm going to keep picking it up. I do feel a little dirty for supporting a book where Marvel is killing the X-Men though.
Guardians of the Galaxy: I only have one thing to say about this issue:
Spoiler
So is Kitty still cosmic or not? I've been wondering this ever since the solicts and covers for this volume came out and I still don't have an answer one way or the other. I'm really not a fan of Bendis' run keeping you waiting for answers to simple questions that should have been addressed from the beginning.
Ant-Man!! :thumbup: Ant-Man still awesome. The book's picking up right where it left off with the various plot points from earlier, and that's fine by me.
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They finally acknowledged Cassie's time with the Young Avengers. Yay! Also Scott Lang's in jail, again. Watch your back in the showers Scott. I may be remembering the earlier issues poorly, but Darren Cross' son seems a little childish for his age. I'm sure that's supposed to be for comedic effect, but it kinda makes me think he has some kind of condition.
This was in the previews a long time ago,so I dont know if its still relevant,but IIRC both Kitty and Thing are with the Guardians,because;I quote Bendis: "We wanted more Jews in space".His words,not mine.
BTW,tommorow we get Extraordinary #1 and Uncanny X-men #600.Im actually interested to see how will Bendis will finish his run.And just to get over the hype around EX.
I'd say it's more anti-hype with EX. I've definitely felt like it's been a long wait for closure on Bendis' X-Men run.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on November 03, 2015, 06:47:28 AM
I'd say it's more anti-hype with EX. I've definitely felt like it's been a long wait for closure on Bendis' X-Men run.
Didnt say it was a good hype.I have seen that a lot of people hold Justice League United against Jeff Lemire for some reason.
On the plus side I like the lineup and the costumes from what I saw in the previews. :unsure:
On the other hand,I havent seen much excitement about Uncanny or (new) All New X-men.Mostly because...well,Greg Land. <_<
I'm also not a big fan of Cullen Bunn. And I haven't entirely forgiven Dennis Hopeless for Avengers Arena/Undercover.
I've read some of JL United. I don't think it's bad. It's alright, it's just not amazing.
Hopeless did a good job with Cable and X-force,but Im not really interested in the original five anyway.
Reed Richards once said(first story by Mark Waid IIRC):People like us have to reinvent themselves once in a while or people will forget them.
Extraordinary X-men DOES NOT apply that lesson.
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If you read 198,THIS IS BASICALLY IT.Im not exaggerating,it a literal rehash of M-day.Professor isn't actually back,guessed that one.Nightcrawler is again randomly quoting Bible.Ah,the quirks from Chuck Austens run. <_<
I wasnt expecting much,but Im still completely disappointed.
was actually entertaining.They mention Punisher,so I guess he did make the transition.
On the other hand I cant complain about
Hercules #1,that was great.
Uncanny X-men #600 end pretty pointlessly.Long version-
Spoiler
Every mutant in the world gathers at the same place.And they got teleported or something? :wacko:
Also young/Iceman outs old/Iceman.Who was actually always gay,just he decided not to be gay because being a gay mutant would be too much.His words,not mine.Well...that was awkward at best...
Peter Parker is the new Tony Stark and is working with SHIELD. Do you guys think he's going to fund his own team?? Will Parker fund the Web Warriors??
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/cloonan-dillons-punisher-is-like-a-criminal-targeting-jason-voorhees (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/cloonan-dillons-punisher-is-like-a-criminal-targeting-jason-voorhees)
Punisher will get a new series by Becky Cloonan and Steve Dillon.That doesnt really sound exciting to be honest.
Btw has anyone seen Citizen V?Anywhere?Anyone?
The last Punisher series was pretty good until the last couple of issues. If they keep with the same style, I might pick it up.
Quote from: JeyNyce on November 09, 2015, 02:32:58 PM
The last Punisher series was pretty good until the last couple of issues. If they keep with the same style, I might pick it up.
Seeing Steve Dillon is involved,I would say this is more of a throwback to early '00.Which was arguably the best era for the character.I know Im probably the only one,but I liked Marvel Knights series a lot better then the MAX series.
Yeah, I haven't seen or heard anything about Citizen V since that teaser. Still kinda curious when that will surface.
Just out of curiosity, anyone know if Squadron Sinister #4 has been released yet? I thought it had an October 28 release date, but I haven't been able to find it yet. Thank you for any help you guys can provide here.
Quote from: Cyber Burn on November 10, 2015, 02:23:48 PM
Just out of curiosity, anyone know if Squadron Sinister #4 has been released yet? I thought it had an October 28 release date, but I haven't been able to find it yet. Thank you for any help you guys can provide here.
This might seem like an obvious question,but did you check ComicList?
http://www.comiclist.com/index.php (http://www.comiclist.com/index.php)
Actually, "Squadron" is the first series that I've picked up in YEARS, and I think that is a major understatement, so I definitely appreciate the link.
Carnage #1 was more of the same,basically.Which isnt a bad thing in this case.If you liked Carnage before,you will probably want to follow this series.
I did like the story of Illuminati #1,the artwork looks like a colouring book,and it couldnt be more out of place if they tried.Here is a preview for those interested.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/illuminati-1-marvel-comics-2015-2015 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/illuminati-1-marvel-comics-2015-2015)
And we now have Chitauri in the main universe?Who liked them that much anyway?
re: Carnage: That's fine by me, I still haven't read Superior Carnage, Deadpool vs Carnage, and Axis: Carnage. So I'll just read those first.
re: Chitauri: Actually, the Chitauri have been in the main MCU for a few years now. They appeared in the Sam Alexander Nova series and have appeared pretty regularly.
On the topic of Nova, I just finished the first issue of the new volume just the other day and it was alright. Not amazing, but decent. The best thing I can ever say about the SA Nova is that ever since the book started, no matter which writer is writing the book (we're on our fourth regular writer), the book still feels like the same story. It's not like most other ongoings where a new regular writer/run means a completely different direction and tone.
I havent read Nova in a long time,so I missed that.Well,I dont doubt Mark Waid will do a good job with them and The Avengers,but I dont really care about any of them.No offense to fans of the current Avengers.
I found the new arrivals to Marvel universe to be almost random.Supreme Power Nighthawk will get a solo series?Nobody saw that coming.
While Old Man Logan is almost only Millars work I liked,its a bit unnececary to have him join the X-men.Story itself is a homage to Unforgiven(Wolverine even looks like Clint Eastwood),and it even ends in an idealistic tone(weird for Millar).But its a complete story,there isnt much need to transplant the character to regular universe.
I haven't Nova in years. I pretty much like Richard Rider as Nova, what happen to him? I do like this other female Nova that was in Secret Wars Infinity Gauntlet, is she still around?
Quote from: JeyNyce on November 12, 2015, 01:46:54 PM
I haven't Nova in years. I pretty much like Richard Rider as Nova, what happen to him? I do like this other female Nova that was in Secret Wars Infinity Gauntlet, is she still around?
Last I know,Richard was stuck in the Cancerverse at the end of Thanos Imperative and presumed dead.But that was some time ago...
I caught up to Star Wars and Darth Vader,and I gotta say-great stuff. :cool:
Cant wait for Vader Down.
And speaking of events-early next year we got Avengers: Standoff,crossover between EVERY Avengers title.Too soon?
A year ago or so Guardians of the Galaxy showed what happened to Starlord, Drax, Thanos and Nova (since the book put off revealing this up until this point) and yeah, he dead.
I'm pretty sure I brought up Standoff in an earlier post. It's not that big a deal to me since I'm already buying all but two of the Avengers books anyway, and one of the books in the crossover is Captain America by Nick Spencer, which I'm interested in anyways.
Im only following New Avengers from Avengers family.BTW If Illuminati had the same artstyle that would have been great.I dont know who was assigning art duties,but he might have switched the up on few cases.
On the other side we are probably getting X-men vs Inhumans,also next year.That is too soon.
And regular Wolverine might be back just in time for the movie from what I hear.
Quote from: Cyber Burn on November 10, 2015, 02:23:48 PM
Just out of curiosity, anyone know if Squadron Sinister #4 has been released yet? I thought it had an October 28 release date, but I haven't been able to find it yet. Thank you for any help you guys can provide here.
Sorry for the late reply, I meant to check and post this, yes, #4 is available on Comixology (digital comics platform) which usually means the print version came out the same week. Hope you're able to find a copy if you haven't yet.
Thank you Shocker. I was able to grab a (Print) copy yesterday on the way home from work. I am such a sucker when it comes to the Squadron, even though I don't really collect anything anymore, I had to have this set.
I really got to read more Squadron Supreme myself. I've heard a lot of good things about the original Mark Gruenwald series.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on November 14, 2015, 08:46:20 AM
I really got to read more Squadron Supreme myself. I've heard a lot of good things about the original Mark Gruenwald series.
I would also recommend Supreme Power,if you haven't read it already.Its kind of a What If story.What If Superman was raised by government.Maybe not the most original plot but JMS makes it work.After he left the title decayed fast I have to say.
Speaking of Squadron Supreme, there's a CBR article saying that in the new Squadron Supreme series, Namor apparently bites the big one. To quote...
QuoteAlex Ross's cover to "Squadron Supreme" #2, released back in September, depicted Squadron member Hyperion holding Namor's severed head
Yeeeeeeeeah. Think I'll take a pass on that one.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-reveals-major-character-death-in-squadron-supreme-1 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-reveals-major-character-death-in-squadron-supreme-1)
And covers always depict something that happens in the issue?Right...
New Avengers #3-this story actually makes more sense.Thou the artwork is still wrong.I liked the interaction between Songbird and Hawkeye however short it was.
Vader Down is off to an explosive start,cant wait to see more. :)
On the Namor cover,its probably just a gimmick.Btw Marvel recently got the rights to Namor back,so I dont see why they would want to kill him?
Quote from: Spade on November 18, 2015, 05:29:37 PM
On the Namor cover,its probably just a gimmick.Btw Marvel recently got the rights to Namor back,so I dont see why they would want to kill him?
That's what I would have thought, if I hadn't read the article. According to the article, Marvel has stated that they are in fact killing off Namor, with the writer responsible, James Robinson, talking about how Namor has gone off the deep end, and that he believes "...people should pay for what they do.'
EDIT: Frick it, here's an excerpt:
QuoteAs revealed Monday on ComicBook.com, "Squadron Supreme" #1, from writer James Robinson and artist Leonard Kirk and scheduled for release in December, will see the team killing off Namor, one of Marvel's longest-running superhero characters, due to the Sub-Mariner destroying Doctor Spectrum's world. Of course, death in superhero comics is never permanent -- or rarely even lasts this long -- but it looks like Marvel and Robinson are looking for this one to have an impact.
"It is bittersweet, but I think that people have to pay for what they do," Robinson said. "I think that as you'll see in 'Squadron,' Namor's death will open up a lot of amazing story opportunities which will evolve in the future."
If its James Robinson,then Im not that suprised.I would question why hes the writer of a JLA-like team seeing his track record with the real thing,but there is no point anymore.
I liked Black Knight #1 up until the point the Uncanny Avengers show up.I dont want to read about them,stop trying to make me.The series isnt even set in Marvel universe.
I know it's probably a bit late to post about this issue, but...
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I'm so bummed that they killed off Jack Russell, the Werewolf (one of my favorite characters since childhood), N'Kantu the Living Mummy and the Frankenstein monster in the last issue of Mrs Deadpool and The Howling Commandos.
:thumbdown:
Dana
If you think about it, you can understand why.....
Spoiler
I think Marvel wants to stay away from the classic monsters and use their own monsters. Plus isn't there a cartoon coming out with the Howling Commandos Monsters or something???
A couple of those characters a change like that is probably a temporary inconvenience.
http://comicsalliance.com/super-inhumans-vs-mutants/ (http://comicsalliance.com/super-inhumans-vs-mutants/)
Didnt really consider it before,but replacing Mutants with Inhumans has some baaaad implications.Since,you know,X-men symbolised oppresed minorities and Inhumans are a society based on eugenics,with its own slave caste and royal family.And while X-men were strangers who bonded as a family,Inhumans are a real blueblood family.As mutant replacements go,Inhumans were probably the worst option you could go with.
Originally, Stan & Co. used the X-Men to tell tales of racial prejudice and teen angst. I guess those stories just aren't meaningful anymore.
God knows I felt like an X-Man when I was growing up.
Quote from: Spade on November 18, 2015, 05:29:37 PM
New Avengers #3-this story actually makes more sense.Thou the artwork is still wrong.I liked the interaction between Songbird and Hawkeye however short it was.
Vader Down is off to an explosive start,cant wait to see more. :)
On the Namor cover,its probably just a gimmick.Btw Marvel recently got the rights to Namor back,so I dont see why they would want to kill him?
I wonder if they will bring back Subbie the Sea Lad and explain him? Give them a whole new Namor.
Quote from: Spade on November 21, 2015, 07:08:08 AM
http://comicsalliance.com/super-inhumans-vs-mutants/ (http://comicsalliance.com/super-inhumans-vs-mutants/)
Didnt really consider it before,but replacing Mutants with Inhumans has some baaaad implications.Since,you know,X-men symbolised oppresed minorities and Inhumans are a society based on eugenics,with its own slave caste and royal family.And while X-men were strangers who bonded as a family,Inhumans are a real blueblood family.As mutant replacements go,Inhumans were probably the worst option you could go with.
Very true, though most of these new Inhumans don't have anything to do with the Inhuman society proper and royal family. It's definitely muddy when you think about the symbolic side of things.
About the whole Namor issue,I would give it a year max before a different writer brings him back.
Quote from: Spade on November 21, 2015, 03:46:10 PM
About the whole Namor issue,I would give it a year max before a different writer brings him back.
Even with the justification, it smacks of a ploy to increase sales.
James Robinson killing somebody for shock value?I have never been less suprised.
So Im reading Ultimate Comics: Ultimates.Mostly because Hickman really did a good job there.And while they started as basicly parodies of Avengers,at this point its really hard to tell them apart.Outside some things you couldnt do in main universe(blowing up half of Europe,dissolution of USA)its almost impossible to tell its an alternate universe.So that was my problem,Ultimate became too much like the regular universe,or regular MU became too much like Ultimate universe.
It's been a problem ever since The Watchmen; writers want to deconstruct the super hero, make him gritty and realistic. Have real consequences to their actions.
It's been done.
Quote from: daglob on November 22, 2015, 04:31:37 PM
It's been a problem ever since The Watchmen; writers want to deconstruct the super hero, make him gritty and realistic. Have real consequences to their actions.
It's been done.
Only it never really stuck in any shared universe.Going by the same logic,arent other Illuminati members also responsible?Namor pulled the trigger,but others arent so innocent either.
Also on the missing list-Thor.Last time we saw him was (IIRC) when he and Hyperion were making a last stand in Time Runs Out.Hyperion survived,so I guess he did too?
Venom,Space Knight was...well it was Venom in space.It shows some promise.And once again (photorealistic) artwork doesnt really fit the story.
I was going thru the Previews and next year everyone goes to Weirdworld.Seriously almost every title.Thats also next storyline for EXt X-men.Is there going to be a Weirdworld movie?Why is Weirdworld a thing now?
Quote from: Spade on November 27, 2015, 06:45:26 PM
I was going thru the Previews and next year everyone goes to Weirdworld.
Oh, come on! Secret Wars isn't even over yet, is it? And they're already having another giant crossover just a few months after it ends? And you'll probably have to read it to fully understand just what's going on in early every single title, won't you?
Sorry if I'm overreacting, (and I probably am,) but I've actually been wondering if I should start reading modern Marvel and DC again, though between this and severing Namor's head, I"m not sure if it's worth it. I actually started binging through the Marvel backlog for the explicit purpose of catching up to the modern era, but when I actually got there, it turned out to be full of 'earth-shaking', lackluster crossover events at least twice a year, characters coming back and dying again due to contrived reasons, past characterizations being trampled into the ground, some of the books not moving forward when they should, (X-Men, I'm looking at you,) some of the books moving forward in questionable ways (X-Men, still looking at you), needing to read multiple books just to understand what's going on in one single title, etc. And from the look of things, none of this is going to change any time soon, if at all.
Really, I'm wondering if I should just mostly stick to old Marvel comics and maybe the odd standalone new one rather than trying to keep up with most of the current stuff. And it's not like I've already gone through most of the old stuff either; sure, I've got most of Avengers and X-Men covered, but I've still got Spiderman, Defenders, Alpha Flight, and even more to go through. And I think I'd actually be happy with that, if it weren't for me feeling like I'd be still be missing out in some way by just dropping most everything being put out nowadays. (Though I might try Ms.Marvel and Squirrel Girl out. I've heard good things about those two.)
Sorry if it seems like I was rambling, but I just needed to get this off my chest.
Im not sure if its a crossover is is everyone just going there.For reasons.And yes,everyone is tired of the various events.If you liked Alpha Flight,you probably wont be that happy with their past few years.Xorn kills them in Bendises Avengers,then they come back during Chaos War and get their own miniseries that ties into Fear Itself.
Whats really bothering me,and I know a lot of people will hate me for saying it,are legacy heroes.If you want new heroes,think of some new ones.Passing on the costume is a really cheap gimmick.Which only serves to spark internet arguments.Valiant invents new characters from scratch,DC gives more space to some second stringers,whats stoping Marvel from having similar approach?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/11/24/the-truth-behind-marvels-next-event-assault-on-pleasant-hill-and-how-its-all-about-captain-americas-75th/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/11/24/the-truth-behind-marvels-next-event-assault-on-pleasant-hill-and-how-its-all-about-captain-americas-75th/)
Speaking of next crossover-Avengers Standoff will find the 3 Captains at odds with various Avenger teams picking sides.Heroes fighting heroes in a knockoff of Trinity War--how novel. <_<
I fully expect Squadron Sinister to take control over the universe right after this.And Daredevil to be unmasked on TV so that he can start working as a secret agent in a new series.
Quote from: Spade on November 28, 2015, 05:30:40 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/11/24/the-truth-behind-marvels-next-event-assault-on-pleasant-hill-and-how-its-all-about-captain-americas-75th/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/11/24/the-truth-behind-marvels-next-event-assault-on-pleasant-hill-and-how-its-all-about-captain-americas-75th/)
Speaking of next crossover-Avengers Standoff will find the 3 Captains at odds with various Avenger teams picking sides.Heroes fighting heroes in a knockoff of Trinity War--how novel. <_<
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Why. Just. Just... why? I don't care if the Civil War movie's coming up and they want promote it by doing something similar; I don't care if it's Cap's 75th anniversary because there are far better ways to celebrate it than this. There is absolutely no good reason to do this storyline, espically since it's only been three years since the last time they had their heroes go at it. (And less than that if you count AXIS.) Heroes vs heroes is not why I read comics, (even though I don't mind fighting other heroes in fighting games and the like,) and I can't imagine it's why most people read other comics either. And yet, stunts like this draw people in, so they do it. Just...
NO.I think this might have been the last straw for me when it comes to modern Marvel. I'll read a few select series and I'll definitely check out more of their backlog, but when it comes to regularly following their main ongoing series and storylines, I'm done. (For now, anyway.) Honestly, I feel like a grumpy old man who's fed up with the way comics are going and wants to back to 'the good old days', even though I'm only in my early twenties. I guess that's what I get for starting from the beginning rather than just picking up the current stuff. Give me Claremont's X-Men and Busiek's Avengers over whatever we've got now any day.
Now you know why I miss Stan Lee, Roy Thomas, and even Tony Isabella (private joke).
I second that.The House of Ideas is pretty much running out of ideas.[Im obliged to say it:check out Valiant,they restored my faith in the future of comics.And are around since 2012,so its not really hard to catch up].
I really think you dont need a crossover in the first 10 issues(like here).Give the writers chance to properly introduce characters before throwing them into an event.
And I agree Kurt Busieks run is the best era of Avengers.Comparing those Avengers and their incarnations in the past 10 years its hard to belive those are the same characters.Expecialy the Scarlet Witch.
Yeah I read Busiek's Avengers early on when I started reading comics, and I've always held it in high regard (well, that and the original run of Thunderbolts of course ;) ) Haven't reread it in years, been meaning to go back and read Maximum Security and the rest of Busiek's Iron Man.
I've liked Busiek since The Liberty Project...
Quote from: Spade on November 28, 2015, 06:16:41 PM
Im obliged to say it:check out Valiant,they restored my faith in the future of comics.And are around since 2012,so its not really hard to catch up].
Thanks, but as much as I'd like to, I just don't know if I want to right now. It's not because Valiant is bad by means; I did check out a few volumes, and it's good stuff. But going through it, you've still got 8 or so different ongoing series which one should probably read if they want to get the full picture, and I just don't want to be reading a bunch of related titles at once right now. If Valiant was a really small universe with only 2 or 3 titles, I might still be reading it, but that's just not the case. What I want right now is a series -- maybe two or three, like IDW's Transformers line that I've been hearing about -- that stands on it's own without being part of some larger universe. No crossovers, no events, no references to other titles. (With the exception being if there's only a really small number of connected titles, because I'm fine with that.) That's what I really want right now. (Well, aside from stuff from Marvel's backlog, obviously. I'm still going to go through that. But you get the idea.)
There's always The Digital Comics Museum and Comic Book Plus.
Quote from: daglob on November 28, 2015, 11:19:55 PM
There's always The Digital Comics Museum and Comic Book Plus.
Thanks, but reading old Golden Age comics wasn't exactly what I had in mind. (Though that doesn't mean I'm not open to doing it. Free comics is free comics.) I was talking more about reading current ongoing comics, which Marvel and DC just doing aren't that good a job with right now. And there
are other options out there, like IDW. I just have to find them.
What gets me down though is that Marvel and DC ever got into such a state that I'd be cutting myself off from most of their current output in the first place, but at the same time, I can't say I didn't see it coming. Most of the elements that brought things to where they are now had always been around in some shape or form, but around 2004 with Avengers Disassembled and Identity Crisis is when it all seemed to finally come together. Both stories featured past characterizations mangled and stomped on, as well as complete disrespect to the teams who are supposed to be the heroes. After that, we got Bendis' Avengers and House of M, and a slew of 'must-read' events began popping up on either side. Meanwhile, the death and resurrection counts continued to increase and get even more contrived, and the status quo of each universe began changing so much so frequently that there was no longer a status quo to change. Spectacles and editorial mandate became the rule of the day, and while there was still good stuff being put out, it was still being hampered by everything else that it all had to be saddled with. So while it's disappointing that things have gotten to where they are now, it's not that hard to see how it got there.
Well we have different topics for Valiant and Transformers so I leave those for later discussion(fun fact:Identity Crisis didn't happen according to Secret Six,thou Sue Dibney works for Riddler now).
Also,I didn't see Citizen V in the Previews(which go till February).Just bait,I guess?This new universe has been a bit weird for me.Mostly because (I guess) an editor got art duties mixed up.Mark Bagley on New X-men?Thats just a waste.Greg Land...working on comics...
So a few series Im sticking with:Hercules,Illuminati,Deadpool,New Avengers(mostly because of Hawkeye and Songbird),Carnage and Ext X-men(force of habit).
Now looking back at recent years(lets say from Siege to Secret Wars),not everything Marvel published was gold(far from it) but there was still a number of series I enjoyed.Uncanny X-Force,New Warriors,Rick Remmenders Venom,Scarlet Spider,Hickmans Fantastic Four,Hickman's Ultimates,Hickman's Avengers(I sense a pattern here),Secret Avengers,Superior Foes.Its all a matter of calculating does the bad out-weights the good.
Anyone noticed how X-men and Spider-man spinoffs were way better then the main book?
Quote from: Spade on November 29, 2015, 06:41:23 AM
Well we have different topics for Valiant and Transformers so I leave those for later discussion(fun fact:Identity Crisis didn't happen according to Secret Six,thou Sue Dibney works for Riddler now).
Also,I didn't see Citizen V in the Previews(which go till February).Just bait,I guess?This new universe has been a bit weird for me.Mostly because (I guess) an editor got art duties mixed up.Mark Bagley on New X-men?Thats just a waste.Greg Land...working on comics...
So a few series Im sticking with:Hercules,Illuminati,Deadpool,New Avengers(mostly because of Hawkeye and Songbird),Carnage and Ext X-men(force of habit).
Now looking back at recent years(lets say from Siege to Secret Wars),not everything Marvel published was gold(far from it) but there was still a number of series I enjoyed.Uncanny X-Force,New Warriors,Rick Remmenders Venom,Scarlet Spider,Hickmans Fantastic Four,Hickman's Ultimates,Hickman's Avengers(I sense a pattern here),Secret Avengers,Superior Foes.Its all a matter of calculating does the bad out-weights the good.
Anyone noticed how X-men and Spider-man spinoffs were way better then the main book?
Most of those series were good, sure, but I'd actually say that Hickman's Avengers was a low point in the franchise. It wasn't bad persay, but it was rather like Grant Morrison's JLA run, for better or worse. It was all about the plot with little in the way of character development. All of the pieces were there for a good comic, but it had no heart to make it a truly compelling experience. Hickman had it even worse, because with over twenty different Avengers, many of which had their own books, there wasn't a lot of room for them to really develop or interact. It was an unfeeling machine. Technically it worked, but it just didn't have any soul.
Yeah,it does suffer from too many characters.Some of them do get some more focus in Avengers World,but in just Avengers...I guess he kinda assumes the reader is familiar enough with the established characters.Like-you know who Hawkeye and Spider-man are,so lets rather talk about Hyperion or Starbrand.New characters do actually get focus and development.From the old ones-outside Captain and Iron Man-Thor gets most attention thru his interaction with Hyperion.And you could say Sunspot,Cannonball and Doctor Doom get their moments later.
The real problem of Hickmans Avengers is the aftermath.Seems like nobody knows what to do with the Avengers after this.
How about we talk about the sales themself?Depending on number 1s and variant cover can only work for so long.Its been done before.It didnt really work out for Marvel.There is also the fact that both Marvel and DC now set prices at 4.99 for some comics. And DC already has financial issues because their number #1 didnt sold that one.
The end is truly near.
Quote from: Spade on November 29, 2015, 06:32:28 PM
How about we talk about the sales themself?Depending on number 1s and variant cover can only work for so long.Its been done before.It didnt really work out for Marvel.There is also the fact that both Marvel and DC now set prices at 4.99 for some comics. And DC already has financial issues because their number #1 didnt sold that one.
The end is truly near.
And that's another thing that's turning me off of modern comics. The prices are getting so high for 5-10 minutes of entertainment that I'm almost resorting to the yohoho method. Imagine if you wanted to pick up just all of the Avengers titles, along with any of the solos featuring characters from those various titles. That's around over $80.00 altogether, and that's just for one month. Now, if you just picked up only the Avengers titles, that's still 25$, which isn't so expensive by comparison, but that's still a decent chunk of money to pay each month, and you're still not getting the complete picture either. And if you wanted to buy all 60 titles that Marvel will eventually be putting out, that would be, say, $299 dollars and 4 cents. It is just too much. Too many titles, too high a price. Whereas you could buy a ticket for a 2 hour long film for $6-$10 bucks if you wanted to.
I saw it go from 1.99 to 2.99 to 3.99 and now to 4.99,is there ever going to be a line somewhere?Im pretty sure some of the older members saw it go from 10c to today.
But my point is,how long are these gimmicks going to work?Restart every so often to sell #1?I was never into speculating,but somebodys gonna spend 100$ on a variant cover?In 2015?There are people like that?
Quote from: Spade on November 29, 2015, 06:55:32 PM
I saw it go from 1.99 to 2.99 to 3.99 and now to 4.99,is there ever going to be a line somewhere?Im pretty sure some of the older members saw it go from 10c to today.
But my point is,how long are these gimmicks going to work?Restart every so often to sell #1?I was never into speculating,but somebodys gonna spend 100$ on a variant cover?In 2015?There are people like that?
There are people who would spend $1000 dollars on a cover if they were ever priced that high. But yes, if Marvel needs to keep relaunching their titles to keep sales up, then it's clear that the industry, at least as far as mainstream comics are concerned, is wearing out. I wouldn't say it's on its last legs just yet, but it's getting there. I still think comics will continue to be around if Marvel and DC ever retire from the comics biz, but at the same time, their departure would have a heck of an impact, and it would also just be sad to see them go.
But lets face it,nothing published in the last 20 years wont reach millions in value.Or thousands.IIRC Death of Superman was priced at 300$.Uncanny Avengers #1 or Spiderman #1 will never reach that.
While DC has financial issues and Marvel is on a good road to making them-I dont think they will ever shut down.Maybe bankrupt or go on a hiatus;but they are both backed by major corporation and it would take a lot to bring them down.Its more likely that the big 2 will eventually wise up a change some things.Executives,publishing model,editors.Well,maybe not tommorow,but in a few years it will happen.And its a real question would the industry survive losing any of the 2?
I read an article once by I think, Chris Warner (Black Cross). He basically said that the comic industry periodically goes into a downward spiral, but something happens that stops the trend and it staggers on.
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/133893-secret-wars-delayed-again-whole-series-revealed-to-be-elaborate-prank-by-marvel-hickman-and-ribic.html?utm_content=buffer8557e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/133893-secret-wars-delayed-again-whole-series-revealed-to-be-elaborate-prank-by-marvel-hickman-and-ribic.html?utm_content=buffer8557e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
Secret Wars delayed (again) till 2016.And you people complained about Forever Evil? :|
Can someone explain Spidey to me?Is is meant to emulate the upcoming movie?Why doesnt anyone look like themself?Since when does Flash have black hair?
Quote from: Spade on November 30, 2015, 03:39:32 PM
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/133893-secret-wars-delayed-again-whole-series-revealed-to-be-elaborate-prank-by-marvel-hickman-and-ribic.html?utm_content=buffer8557e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/133893-secret-wars-delayed-again-whole-series-revealed-to-be-elaborate-prank-by-marvel-hickman-and-ribic.html?utm_content=buffer8557e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
Secret Wars delayed (again) till 2016.And you people complained about Forever Evil? :|
That was funny! Nice one
Extraordinary X-men #3 So Cyclops was killed by the Inhumans.How completely unexpected. :thumbdown:
And Storm still sees dead people.
Notice how X-men used in the current titles are those who will appear in the upcoming movies?
So. Apparently, this is a thing: http://comicbook.com/2015/10/05/marvel-teases-civil-war-ii/ (http://comicbook.com/2015/10/05/marvel-teases-civil-war-ii/)
Yes indeedy, it seems that Marvel is in fact putting out a sequel to 2006's Civil War. Probably as a means to promote the Civil War movie.
Excuse me for a minute...
:banghead:
First it was Secret Wars, Secret Wars 2, and then Secret Wars again..
Now it's Civil War, then Civil War II
What's next: Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity War, and then.....Infinity Gauntlet War 2!!!!
Kinda like Crisis, Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, 52...
Quote from: kkhohoho on December 05, 2015, 03:15:23 AM
So. Apparently, this is a thing: http://comicbook.com/2015/10/05/marvel-teases-civil-war-ii/ (http://comicbook.com/2015/10/05/marvel-teases-civil-war-ii/)
Yes indeedy, it seems that Marvel is in fact putting out a sequel to 2006's Civil War. Probably as a means to promote the Civil War movie.
Excuse me for a minute...
:banghead:
I think thats still Avengers:Standoff.And somewhat (un)expected X-men line will also get their own crossover: Apocalypse Wars.That one actually sounds like it involves fighting a villain.But that would just be crazy,right?
Quote from: Spade on December 05, 2015, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: kkhohoho on December 05, 2015, 03:15:23 AM
So. Apparently, this is a thing: http://comicbook.com/2015/10/05/marvel-teases-civil-war-ii/ (http://comicbook.com/2015/10/05/marvel-teases-civil-war-ii/)
Yes indeedy, it seems that Marvel is in fact putting out a sequel to 2006's Civil War. Probably as a means to promote the Civil War movie.
Excuse me for a minute...
:banghead:
I think thats still Avengers:Standoff.
You'd think so, except that Bleeding Cool article you linked to earlier said that Standoff was just the prelude to an even bigger event later in the year. I don't know what else heroes fighting other heroes
could be a prelude to.
Another Civil War?Because movie.And we havent suffered enough these past 10 years?Good excuse(not that its needed) to stay away from the current Avengers titles.
Marvel just finish (almost finishing) Secret Wars, they really don't need a big, cross-over event so soon. Let the books mature and people get to know the characters better before you start having them fight each other over something stupid and start killing off all the mutants.
Quote from: JeyNyce on December 06, 2015, 03:55:33 AM
Let the books mature and people get to know the characters better before you start having them fight each other over something stupid
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Civil War 2: In the wake of the Standoff at Pleasant Hill, our heroes once again find themselves at odds due to a conflict that is impossible to resolve without much drama and bloodshed. That conflict is: Peanut butter... or jelly?'
Whether to have their toast butter side up or butter side down?
Quote from: daglob on December 06, 2015, 04:15:09 AM
Whether to have their toast butter side up or butter side down?
That too. They also can't agree on whether or not they should have their eggs sunny side up or sunny side down, nor whether their coffee should be light or black. Truly, these are pressing concerns that Earth's Mightiest Heroes must settle between themselves at all costs, or die trying.
No.This time its the eternal question: Did Harry Potter copied Books of Magic? :/
Spider-family doesnt have an event announced,but I expect that to be fixed. :|
Back to X-men;All New (new) X-men NEVER mentions the T-mist.Because it affects people in the Limbo,but not actually on Earth?Oh,and Cyclops is set to appear in Unc Inhumans.I guess we will see him die,or he will return as a villain.Classy anyway. :|
Funny you guys should say that, in the Avengers Finale that wrapped up Bendis' first arc "Avengers Disassembled" the other Avengers were reminiscing about Hawkeye (who was dead at the time), and they were talking about how much Hawkeye would clash with Cap, and the example they used was: "So Cap would be like 'I like turkey', and then Clint would be like 'Turkey sucks and you suck and who made you boss around here'".
Eh, I agree that Marvel (and DC) need to cool it with the events, but I'm not really ready to write off Standoff or Civil War 2. I don't know anything about Civil War 2 yet, so I'm going to wait and see. Standoff sounds like it's two parts Civil War and two parts a cynical, blatant attempt to rip off every arc of the Walking Dead ever, but as I've said before, I'm already buying all but two of the books involved so I'll pick it up. And if I think it sucks I'll be sure to let you guys know. :cool:
Read New Avengers #3 a while back. Not amazing, but I definitely appreciated the emphasis on Hulkling and Wiccan as they're among my favorites. Playing off Hulkling's original origin is especially appealing to me even if the stuff with the Skrulls is kinda gobbledygook.
Oh and a little late to the party, but I just want to comment on the James Robinson/Squadron Supreme/Namor thing. If nothing else, I can't let this comment by Robinson go unchallenged:
Quote"It is bittersweet, but I think that people have to pay for what they do," Robinson said.
And when will you be paying for what you've done, Mr. Robinson? Oh that's right,
other writers have to clean up your messes (see Cry for Justice) :thumbdown:
And thats still terribly naive coming from a comic writer.We all know Namor is going to stay dead until hes announced in a movie,or just another writer comes by.(see http://iswolverinestilldead.com (http://iswolverinestilldead.com))
I dont watch WD,but Im sure similarity is intentional.In Marvels own words;we had Supervillain Sons of Anarchy and Breaking Bad meets GoT(Black Knight).They really want to convince you your watching TV?
Haha, that Wolverine site his hilarious. I'm impressed Marvel has kept it up that long.
Quote from: BentonGrey on December 07, 2015, 04:55:10 PM
Haha, that Wolverine site his hilarious. I'm impressed Marvel has kept it up that long.
Be sure to check out its companion site http://hasdcdonesomethingstupidtoday.com/ (http://hasdcdonesomethingstupidtoday.com/)
But yeah,who knew they will keep it up for this long?60 weeks for now.
Quote from: kkhohoho on December 07, 2015, 03:34:26 PM
Quote from: Spade on December 07, 2015, 06:21:46 AM
I dont watch WD...
WD? What's WD?
I was referring to Walking Dead.I also dont read it,thou everyone says the comic is better.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-confirms-bendis-marquez-on-civil-war-ii (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-confirms-bendis-marquez-on-civil-war-ii)
Civil War 2 is really happening.And Bendis is writing it.Surely this can only end in good. :(
You not speak Bizarro way now, no?
Quote from: Spade on December 07, 2015, 07:32:44 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-confirms-bendis-marquez-on-civil-war-ii (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-confirms-bendis-marquez-on-civil-war-ii)
Civil War 2 is really happening.And Bendis is writing it.Surely this can only end in good. :(
As if Millar wasn't bad enough. Bendis isn't necessarily a bad writer, but he can't write anything beyond street-level conflicts that's worth a darn. As has been no doubt said, the concept itself is good, but Millar and the rest of the writers just weren't able to pull it off, nevermind the complications of trying to pull something like that in a universe that already had multiple unlicensed heroes running around since the 1940's. And in any case, I don't think Bendis is the right person to mastermind it. What they also need this time around though is an actual written set-in-stone act that all writers should have on their person at all times, which should help a lot of kerfluffels that popped up in the ongoings and tie-ins the first time around. But that won't matter much if the main series by Bendis isn't able to stand on it's own two feet, written act or no.
Aside from that: We just had Secret Wars — scratch that, we're still having Secret Wars — and we're already going to be having Standoff at Pleasant Hill from February-April, which means we're going to being having events straight into near the end of next year; possibly longer if it gets delayed. Just give us a break Marvel. We don't need an event every single minute of the day, espically when said event is a sequel to one of the worst events Marvel's ever published.
According to an interview Bendis says "no one is safe" and "If you are scared of earth shattering Marvel events where no one is safe... be afraid, be very afraid." (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/more-civil-war-ii-details-revealed-no-one-is-safe-bendis-says)
To quote Red Letter Media, "Yay, more murder!".
Probably not going to pick it up with that creative team unless plot/character details grab me or the book is really short, like Siege short.
Also, Secret Wars delayed again because of course it is.
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-delays-secret-wars-finale-one-more-week)
This is just getting sad. I'm not sure what in the world went wrong here (probably the artist) but Marvel really should have found some way to schedule this properly. I think if I was picking up Secret Wars I'd be really annoyed, now I'm kinda perplexed and a bit disappointed in Marvel.
QuoteI dont watch WD,but Im sure similarity is intentional
What I meant by that is that the Walking Dead, be it TV show, comic or video game, routinely involves the cast finding a large area they can live in. A gated community, for example, and it will seem safe and secure and pleasant for a while. But it will fall apart with time or someone there is hiding a horrible secret. That's how I've read Standoff described. I'm expecting it will involve not necessarily zombies, but an existing Marvel threat, group or species that fill out a similar role.
QuoteCan someone explain Spidey to me?Is is meant to emulate the upcoming movie?Why doesnt anyone look like themself?Since when does Flash have black hair?
I was under the impression that Spidey was supposed to be a series set during Spidey's high school years for people who wanted a series lighter on continuity or set back in high school; a kind of alternative to the main Spider-Man comics. However, I didn't know that much about it, and I definitely didn't know that the characters in it had different visual looks and hair colors. At this point I would guess it's something similar to the Marvel Age and Marvel Adventures line, but also, yes, almost certainly to emulate the modern movies much like other stuff in Marvel comics.
@KK Pretty much what I said about Bendis.Hes okay on heroes like Daredevil and Spiderman,but hes terrible on teams like Avengers and X-men.
I understand reprinting WHOLE Civil War(anybody who gives 500 $ for it should have his/her head examined),but why the hell would you do a sequel?Its like DC doing Identity Crisis 2.But its all new,because we have a new Captain America.And a whole new generation of heroes gets to act like fascist.That sure goes a long was to getting people to like them...
And yey,kill more second stringers,thats what we all want.
Who will die in the next issue: Rocket Racer or She Man-Thing?!
Deadpool #3 Duggans run was strong when it started,but now its just barely average.Other Deadpools might have actually been a mistake.
Hercules #2 is still great.Btw wasnt Gilgamesh dead?
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Deadpool #3 Duggans run was strong when it started,but now its just barely average.Other Deadpools might have actually been a mistake.
Hercules #2 is still great.Btw wasnt Gilgamesh dead?
Gilgamesh is an Eternal. Whenever they die, they generally spawn a new body for themselves back at their homebase. He's also been up an' at 'em on page since the late 2000's, thanks to a short-lived Eternals ongoing following Gaiman's miniseries.
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More Spider-man and Deadpool then you ever wanted!2 events.People going to Weirdworld.X-men 92.Jim Starlin and Alan Davis are here for another Infinity story,focusing on Adam Warlock this time.Avengers Assemble has Civil War,because ofc it does.Collections are expected-Civil War,Punisher,Black Panther and more Civil War.Also Hawkeye and Thunderbolts,that I didnt expect.
Love me some more X-Men 92. And I especially love the Souls of Mischief shoutout in that teaser image!
So out of morbid curiosity-Squadron Supreme #1-and its way worst then you could imagine.And nobody ever shuts up about justice.Whatever happened to James
Robinson who wrote Starman and JLA? :banghead:
But does someone ever say "And together we can BE justice!"? ^_^
Ironic though that James Robinson wrote JLA around the same time as Cry for Justice.
I have heard many times that his Earth 2 series was really good though.
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But does someone ever say "And together we can BE justice!"? ^_^
Ironic though that James Robinson wrote JLA around the same time as Cry for Justice.
I have heard many times that his Earth 2 series was really good though.
Not in those words,but Hyperion does in fact decapitate Namor,and Doctor Spectrum punts his head.That really makes up for it.But Doctor Strange,Reed Richards(if he survived SW which I doubt) and Tony Stark are innocent for the whole thing somehow.OUR HEROES,LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!
This whole "Someone Must Pay" thing makes me wonder: how may villains are in the Marvel universe who have killed and gotten away with it? This doesn't count The Punisher who isn't a villain, but should have a body count in the hundreds (at least).
2000 in one night with a nuke,Ennis puts his count at over 2000,so Punisher has a score of over 4k confirmed.Now in their defense,other heroes try to arrest him all the time,but hes just better(see Society of Dunces).
But Frank Castle is a simple character.He has a cool shirt,he kills criminals and sometimes he has a dark sense of humor.
Squadron Supreme(this one) are just ansty jerks who kick severed heads around.They arent even the protagonists,they are just straw character,plot devices that make other heroes look good.
^^ That depends on whether you count villains who have killed but go in and out of prison.
It also depends on what crimes they were or weren't convicted for. Was Norman Osborne convicted for the death of Swordsman?
Does it count if the character they killed has come back to life? (ah comics. How often do you get to say stuff like that?)
Does it count if the villain dies, is captured or otherwise punished for different reasons (example: Arcade, Vulcan)
-The Kingpin's definitely gotten away with killing people. If nothing else, he killed a body double stand-in during Inferior Spider-Man in order to fake his death.
-The Phil Urich Hobgoblin (now the Goblin King) killed the brother of the original Hobgoblin, and is still at large. He's probably killed others, but I've forgotten.
-Mystique's gotten away with killing people at least once. Here's an example. (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2015/12/04/provide-some-answers-who-killed-mystique-and-sabretooths-son/) There's probably others. Did she get away with killing Moira McTaggert?
-Zemo killed Andrea Von Strucker during his time as Citizen V. To my knowledge Zemo has not been captured or convicted for any crimes since Thunderbolts started. Though as of his most recent appearance in Captain America apparently his fate is ambiguous as he was caught in an explosion.
-Henry Peter Gyrich was written as a villain in Thunderbolts, and mind controlled Jack Munroe/Nomad/Scourge who killed Zemo, Jolt, Fixer and Atlas (all of which got better). Then Gyrich got swiped by other writers for Avengers books and he got off scott free for his crimes.
What about Magneto? He goes back and forth between hero and villain, but has killed and gotten away with it during his time with the X-Men in recent years (as have many heroes)
It's funny. In the 90's New Warriors Justice willingly served prison time because he accidentally killed his abusive father with his powers. Same with Abe Jenkins/Beetle/Mach in Thunderbolts, and for a death caused in a much older story no less. Gotta love that Busiek/Fabian Necieza. We should get those two on this.
Thats barely the tip of the iceberg.Bullseye,Red Skull,Kingpin himself all got free on hundreds of occasions.Sabretooth eats babies,but now hes a "hero".From human monsters like Cameron Hodge and William Stryker to immortals like Apocalypse and Selene to cosmic threaths like Mephisto and Annihilus,there are are lot of villains who really deserved to die for what they did/still do.
Ext X-men #4 For once,I have to say: HOLY FLYING S*IT!
In his own style Sinister has been working on a Mutant/Inhuman hybrid.Not only has he created one,but its
Spoiler
Cyclops.
That was unexpected.
Spoiler
Admittedly, it's Mr. Sinister. Dude was creeping on Slim since he was a little kid in the orphanage.
That's actually a pretty neat twist. I might pick up this series on the cheap during my LCS's boxing day sale. Depends if they got any left.
Well,I might have actually been too harsh on the series.Everything else aside,at least its miles better then the run by Bendis.
Deadpool #4 Deadpools in all the colors of the rainbow!Duggan is really phoning this one in...
New Avengers #4 Sunspot also has terrigen sickness.At least they are consistent with other books.
Again,out of morbid curiosity-
Uncanny X-men #1 Its pretty much what I expected from Bunn.And Greg Land.So yeah the artwork is traced from Lands previous works and the story is pretty much nonexistent.And
Spoiler
Dark Riders
are back.Because Apocalypse is in again. :thumbdown:
Quote from: JeyNyce on November 20, 2015, 06:52:00 PM
If you think about it, you can understand why.....
Spoiler
I think Marvel wants to stay away from the classic monsters and use their own monsters. Plus isn't there a cartoon coming out with the Howling Commandos Monsters or something???
However,
Spoiler
Jack (Werewolf By Night) and N'Kantu (The Living Mummy) were Marvel's own monsters.
Dana
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You guessed it!Somebody will die in Civil War 2.
And this time Tony is the "good guy",while Captain Marvel is the...well...Nazi if we keep up with CW themes.
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You guessed it!Somebody will die in Civil War 2.
And this time Tony is the "good guy",while Captain Marvel is the...well...Nazi if we keep up with CW themes.
So... Captain Marvel's going to become the new Captain Nazi? (JK)
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You guessed it!Somebody will die in Civil War 2.
And this time Tony is the "good guy",while Captain Marvel is the...well...Nazi if we keep up with CW themes.
If Captain Marvel is like Tony in the original Civil War, I do not understand Marvel at all. "I know, we've got a character poised to break out to a whole new level of popularity! She's got a movie coming, and it'll be our first female-led one! Let's make her a huge jerk*"
*'Jerk' is in lieu of an actual bad word to call someone.
Never thought I would say this but,can we get Mark Millar back?
I also never thought Marvel can produce anything dumber the Avengers/Attack on Titan but they proved me wrong on almost weekly basis. :|
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Marvels newest teaser.Are they talking about somebody short,hairy and Canadian?
Quote from: Spade on January 13, 2016, 06:13:29 AM
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Marvels newest teaser.Are they talking about somebody short,hairy and Canadian?
I hope not, because i really liking the current Wolverine and I wouldn't mind if she stays that way. What is Marvel planning on doing? have two Spider-men as well as two Wolverines?
Isn't there like a whole Spider-men corps right now?
I guess it could be Prof. X?Storm does have vision of him.
Who else is dead?Uncle Ben?Yeah,its probably Uncle Ben.Its the only thing that would "shock" the readers at this point.
Also
Secret Wars are over!Yey! :rolleyes:
Thou we already knew how its going to end.Except the FF part.
Spoiler
Franklin is building the multiverse again?
"And yet somehow, I just can't seem to care"
~Angel (the Buffy character, not the X-Man)
Uncle Ben or Gwen Stacy could make sense, since it sounds like "Spider-Man No More" and Gwen Stacy has for some ungodly reason become the new Deadpool or Squirrel Girl.
Only problem with Uncle Ben is that they already done that story beat like 3 or 4 times in the last few years. Spider-Verse was especially embarrassing since they promoted it as a big twist, despite:
1. Just being an alternate universe version (which incidentally was the story one of the previous times he came back)
2. He was already introduced in a earlier issue of the storyline.
Spider-Verse/Web Warriors is alternate universe shenanigans though, so it doesn't count I guess.
At this point the only way I'd actually get excited or even interested is if Marvel started bringing back c-list characters who were used as canon fodder. That wouldn't be an event though, so it's obviously going to be someone high profile. Just in time for them to kill someone high profile but not too high profile in Civil War! Maybe they should bring them back for this event in media rez! ;)
Actually, you know what, I was just joking, but now I actually want them to do that. It'd at least be different and unconventional. Eisner please! :P
Some have guessed it could be Uatu,but I don't really see that getting so much attention.
Could be Jean Grey,but doubt it since we have teen/Jean around.
Namor?Richard Rider?Ben Reilly?
Anyone dead and supposed to show up in an upcoming movie?
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Anyone dead and supposed to show up in an upcoming movie?
Uncle Ben?! Uncle Ben comes back and Peter learns that his uncle was a Shield agent and faked his death to help Fury (old white one) fight the evil aliens out in space. For his good deeds, Ben was offer to become a Watcher to replace the fallen Uatu. Ben accepted the role and now he watch Peter and all of earth as
The Watcher!!!With these ideas in my head, I can get a job with Marvel! :D :P
On a serious note, I hope it's Bill Foster (Goliath). It would be great to see him again and according to rumors and Lego toys, Giant man is suppose to make an appearance in the Civil War movie.
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Quote from: Spade on January 13, 2016, 03:49:45 PM
Anyone dead and supposed to show up in an upcoming movie?
Uncle Ben?! Uncle Ben comes back and Peter learns that his uncle was a Shield agent and faked his death to help Fury (old white one) fight the evil aliens out in space. For his good deeds, Ben was offer to become a Watcher to replace the fallen Uatu. Ben accepted the role and now he watch Peter and all of earth as The Watcher!!!
With these ideas in my head, I can get a job with Marvel! :D :P
No you cant.That is actually a good idea. ;-)
We all know Wolverine and Namor are going to come back any day now,so dont think that would be teased.
My final guess is either uncle Ben or Ben Reilly.Its been 20 years from the end of Clone Saga,kindaaaa makes sense.
Its Ben in any case.
Its going to be Uncle Ben, but he's going to return from the dead with the ability to shoot rice from his fingertips. :P
OR actually we got it wrong,and its all just a Deadpool promo.He could become just Pool or Livepool. :)
Wait... wait... I can see it... Deadpool in a white on white costume with a hand-like emblem on the chest...
That kinda did happen in AXIS.He became ZenPool.
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Which reminds me,Spiderman/Deadpool was actually pretty funny.Wish Joe Kelly would become a regular DP writer again.
Yeah I actually read that a few days ago (got caught up on all my new comics lately) and I enjoyed it. I meant to bring it up here but forgot. It was funny but man was it crude. Almost the whole thing was innuendo and toilet humor.
When promoting the series Marvel said the first issue ended with a big twist and I gotta say it didn't disappoint. It's got a great premise:
Spoiler
Deadpool has been hired to assassinate Peter Parker. That should be pretty fun to see.
Oh yeah I also read the first print issue of Deadpool & Cable: Split Second. Really enjoyed it. Loved the Liefeld flashback and of course, Deadpool and Cable's banter.
Agreed.Its like they tried to make every sentence a joke.Sometimes it works,sometimes it doesnt.
Deadpool: Cable,back just the way his fans like him.All four of them.
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Todays teaser.Wasp is alive,I belive?Somebody related?Eric O'Grady?
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Todays teaser.Wasp is alive,I belive?Somebody related?Eric O'Grady?
I'm thinking they found a way to work in Yellowjacket's Ant-Man movie look using Eric O'Grady resurrection in a post-Secret Wars universe (based on the color scheme).
- CQ
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Marvels FCBD introduced All New All Different Wasp.Im guessing its Hope,to go along with the movies.And I guess that shows who the teasers were about.
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4 crossovers!
Apocalypse Wars
War-machines
Standoff
Spiderwomen
This has really gonne too far.Also Spiderman and Silk travel thru time and meet Uncle Ben.So he does come back.Kinda.
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4 crossovers!
Apocalypse Wars
War-machines
Standoff
Spiderwomen
This has really gonne too far.Also Spiderman and Silk travel thru time and meet Uncle Ben.So he does come back.Kinda.
Thunderbolts is back! Injustice, Like Lightning!
(http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/01/20/marvel-teases-a-new-thunderbolts-team-for-2016)
:thumbup:
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Looking forward to finding out more about this! Loves me some old-school Thunderbolts! Is Fixer coming back? Why is there no sword in the spot where Citizen V's silhouette would be? Who are the new Thunderbolts going to be? Who's the creative team going to be?
Yes!Some good news.
I think Fabian Nicieza might be returning,because he recently mentioned he has some Marvel projects in the future.It would be great if Mark Bagley would be the artist.
And after Standoff Steve Rodgers is young again and Captain America again.With a new ongoing by Nick Spencer.Suprise!
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Marvels newest teaser.Are they talking about somebody short,hairy and Canadian?
Puck? LOL...Kidding.
dana
Actually-Dead No More is a story arc.Related to Captain America? :blink:
Personally I still think it could be the return of Ben Reilly.Since its been 20 years and all that.
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New Avengers So when you turn on a time machine,versions of you from the future arrive?I see somebody has been reading Planetary. :-)
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Its Thunderbolts!Almost the whole original team!With Winter Soldier and a new character instead of Zemo and Songbird.Creative team being Jim Zub(I did like Wayward,but Im not sure hes the right choice here) and Jon Marlin(IDK much about him,but his artwork looks very 90's from what I saw).
I'm not familiar with the creative team at all, so I'm not sure about them, but the lineup is great. I think Winter Soldier is a great choice for Thunderbolts. The little girl is going to be introduced in Standoff: Assault on Pleasant Hill, so I have added incentive to pick that up. I think I'll have to pick this up and see if I like it.
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Here is the regular cover by Jon Malin.If it looks familiar,remember that Malin is a student of Rob Liefeld.Thats why I dont really think he is good choice.
That looks like a Liefeld drawing. My goodness, that's a lot of 90s-ness.
Again,he was Malins mentor.Not kidding here.Marvel has some weird choices with the art duties lately.
Why not Mark Bagley,or Rafa Sandoval,or ANYONE other then Jon Malin?
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Here is the regular cover by Jon Malin.If it looks familiar,remember that Malin is a student of Rob Liefeld.Thats why I dont really think he is good choice.
Is that why I don't see any feet???
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So it is somebody Spider-man(men) related.Uncle Ben shows up in Spider-man/Silk,so this probably isnt about him.I still think its Ben Rilley.Or its Wolverine and Marvel is just trying to confuse us.
It could be Ben Rilley. Remember, he did sacrifice himself to save the others in Spider-Verse.....or it could be Kane...Oh I hope not.
That was another universe version of Ben?And I think Kane survive Spider-verse?
Ext X-men travel to Weirdworld.Because Weirdworld is a thing now.I get the Inhumans,but why are they pushing Weirdworld?
I did like the cameo of Crystar they had in Weirdworld. Maybe Crystar is coming back to the Marvel Universe
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I get the Inhumans,but why are they pushing Weirdworld?
Marvel's been trying to make an effort to be more diverse lately. Maybe they want some more epic fantasy in their line-up?
I dont really notice any diversity in stories.Black Knight was shaping up to be different,but then they throw in Uncanny Avengers and all originality vanishes.
Old Man Logan was actually better then expected.Thou it feels like Bloodshot lite.
Hi, you guys. It's nice to see this thread is still pretty active since the last time I was really around, and some of the people I discussed books with are still here among the new faces. Unfortunately, my interests in comics mostly waned immensely a couple of years ago, and I reduced my reading to very few Marvel books and mostly independent and various other company's selections. That said, I checked out several titles around and just after Secret Wars to test the waters. Here are my brief thoughts.
Hercules #1-3
This is a more modern take on the ol' Herc, who is finally (once again) breaking away from his days of being associated with fighting, being lazy, and generally being a massive screw up. This version of Hercules lives in an apartment with Gilgamesh, another hero/mythological representation/eternal who has decided to crash Hercules's pad and become the lazy roommate no one wants. The arc starts out with Herc taking on a job from a bunch of kids who suspect their sister's boyfriend is a demon. This launches Herc first mission that also reveals that he's done being tied to the old way and now brandishes a gun, a man bun, and a new costume that comes with a crotch protector thing as he asks everyone around him that shared a history with him to grow and adapt.
This series is... interesting, as it's not how I typically envision Herc, and the humor element that used to be prevalent in his adventures is almost missing. It's also very on the nose about telling readers that Herc is trying to adapt and that everyone around him needs to do so as well. I'm very mixed on it.
The Totally Awesome Hulk #1-2
Since I talked about Herc, then it's only right that I talk about his ex sidekick (and ex Prince of Power) Amadeus Cho. While the humor may be missing from Herc's book, it's overly present here to the point that it becomes a detriment to the story and the characters themselves. Amadeus is suddenly very happy to throw out quips at the expense of actually helping people until he's cutting it close, and he has no issue being rude to She-Hulk about her age, despite having a few run ins with her from his previous adventures. While the book has yet to give the origins of Amadeus's device that he uses to transform into his version of Hulk, and it seems to be stringing along what happened to Banner, Amadeus's Hulk comes across as very juvenile. So juvenile, in fact, that it's like he's going through puberty again whenever he's around an attractive female, and he got the added bonus of losing his pants in a scene (played for laughs). Added to his cast is his bossy sister Maddy who, like Cho, has high intellect and acts as his Barbara Gordon.
Honestly, I had high hopes for this series, but so far, it does nothing for me. I expected better from Greg Pak, and the art is solid, but the book constantly hinders itself in an attempt to draw out scenes. It's okay.
Uncanny Inhumans #1-4
I thought it was an interesting choice to finally bring this characters further into the spotlight, considering how complex their history is and how tied they were into space Marvel up until recently. So, witht hat said, it only makes sense that the first arc would be heavily tied into Kang and time travel, my least favorite type of story! I don't really have a lot to say about the story here without immediately spoiling things, so I won't. I will say that I like Beast and Johnny's inclusion, and that I appreciate the dynamics between the characters.
This series started out on the rough side for me, and I can't say I cared for the conclusion of the first arc, but it grew on me more than the books that came before it in this post, but that's not really a declaration of anything positive on its behalf.
Uncanny X-men #1-2
First of all, let's get it out of the way right now. This book features art by Greg Land, so that means that Mystique, Monet, and Psylocke, three different women of different racial backgrounds, ALL look alike. In the first issue specifically, Monet looked like a tanned white woman, and Psylocke looked like a lighter tanned version. That was definitely an experience. Story wise, this book is all about this mashup of X-men flying around "freeing" mutants who willingly put themselves into stasis to escape the effects of terrigen mist. However, unknown to them, is that mutants are being hunted, specifically healers, and the X-men are trying to put a stop to that. The side story involves Psylocke trying to come to terms with whatever Archangel currently is who, more or less, operates as a mindless attack drone.
As an X-men lover, you'd think I'd love this. I didn't. Art aside, some of the characterizations seem off for one reason or another. Monet, specifically, seems like a misstep, and it doesn't help that her interactions with Sabretooth are offputting, and she keeps smiling like a Cheshire cat every other scene. There are interesting tidbits here and there, but not enough for me to recommend this series to anyone as it currently stands. I've read that there's an upcoming explanation to Monet's characterization coming up. Hopefully, it's a good one.
Extraordinary X-men #1
Again, you'd think I'd love this book because not only is it an X-book, but it features several of the characters I like. Lol, maybe you should stop guessing? Extraordinary X-men is the story of Storm leading her version of the X-team (been there, done that) and also the slow build up of actually adding X-men characters to the team beyond Magik and Iceman. Sounds entertaining, right? It's not. Basically, this is the setting the paces issue. All the stuff you need to know is here, and a story pops its little head in here and there, but nothing about the issue is enticing enough on its own to be of much interest. Hoping for the best with this one.
Spidey #1
If you ever wanted a back to basics, high school version of Peter Parer, this book is for you. It's a very light read that you can comfortably buy for those who are into all ages books that used to be easily available before they were all canceled. I'd recommend it to anyone that just wants a fun version of Spidey without being tied to current going ons. Of course, there are changes to consider, but everything is there in the book.
Silver Surfer #1
If you liked how the book was handled pre-relaunch, then you should be fine with this version as well. It's fun. It's cute. It exists.
The Vision #1-3
This series was a major surprise to me. I hae no idea what went on with The Vision to reach the point beforehand, and it doesn't seem important, but I really enjoy this series. Instead of being your typical superhero story, this one comes across as more of a tale of suspense. I honestly got creeped out a few times while reading the issues, and it's the first time in years that I see The Vision as a viable character on his own, except that's not true, as I find more intrigue in his supporting family members and he just happens to be there as the straight man.
I'd recommend this to anyone that wants to give a new, creepier take on The Vision a chance without being tied into whatever is going on in the main universe (as of right now).
All New Wolverine #1-4
While reading this, one thing that stood out to me is how quickly I finished four issues in one sitting. Tht's either a good or bad thing. Fortunately for this series, I really enjoy it, and the little pot shots at fans who weren't willing to give Laura a chance amuses me. I'd definitely recommend it if you're a fan of X23 and want to see her continued development.
Patsy Walker, Hellcat #1-2
Much like Silver Surfer and Spidey, it's a cute, fun book starring Patsy, who apparently died and came back from the dead. None of that matters except to let you know it happened and she's trying to restart her life. This is more on the humor side of things with the heroics playing a small, secondary role. Great book to give to new readers without having to worry about extreme violence, swears, or any of that usual stuff that fills comics... or the Jessica Jones series. :P
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All right, that's enough. I did read more books, but eh. My overall opinion on Post Secret War Marvel is that it's something that exists, and it has a lot of growing to do to actually grab and maintain my interest outside of 3 or 4 books.A bunch of okay books isn't enough.
Quote from: Previsionary on January 29, 2016, 05:39:44 AM
All right, that's enough. I did read more books, but eh. My overall opinion on Post Secret War Marvel is that it's something that exists, and it has a lot of growing to do to actually grab and maintain my interest outside of 3 or 4 books.A bunch of okay books isn't enough.
You should try Ms.Marvel. It's an awesome mostly stand alone series that actually stars a brand new character, has organic storytelling, doesn't drown itself in a lot of the problems that comics have these days, and is just amazing. If all of those comics you just tried out aren't grabbing you, then you should really give Ms.Marvel a whirl. (Though you might want to start at the beginning, not that it's a problem, as there isn't that much of it just yet.)
Ext X-men actually gets better.Never stellar,but it gets better.Btw,ironic that Bloodshots current arc is pretty similar to Old Man Logan.
I have got to say it even if it invites a ****storm.If somebody uses a name of an existing character,then they are not a new character.They are just lazy attempt at legacy heroes.A concept that Marvel sucks at.If your universe is constantly in THE PRESENT,where is the past to draw legacy from?
Quote from: Spade on January 29, 2016, 06:22:52 AM
Ext X-men actually gets better.Never stellar,but it gets better.Btw,ironic that Bloodshots current arc is pretty similar to Old Man Logan.
I have got to say it even if it invites a ****storm.If somebody uses a name of an existing character,then they are not a new character.They are just lazy attempt at legacy heroes.A concept that Marvel sucks at.If your universe is constantly in THE PRESENT,where is the past to draw legacy from?
There
is a past to draw legacy from, if Marvel ever bothered to actually use it. They still have a Golden Age, which is something that DC's actually pushed to the wayside. (As in they completely wiped it from their main universes' history.) DC always put more emphasis on it, but at least Marvel still has one, and they could use that as a source for legacy characters if they ever bothered to do so.
Really though, I don't have that much of a problem with all of these legacy characters that Marvel's putting out. Would it be better if they had actual new Superhero identities? Maybe, but here's the thing: If they had actual new Superhero identities, they probably wouldn't sell. As far as Marvel is concerned, a completely brand new IP these days isn't viable because they just haven't been selling; either that or they're just too afraid to take a risk. However, they still want to introduce new characters, so they've compromised by giving them the identities of old heroes, which lets them have their cake and eat it too.
I'd also argue that these
are new characters, as opposed to not being so because they don' t have a brand new Superhero ID. It's like saying Jay Garrick, Barry Allen, and Wally West are all the same character just because they put on a red suit and call themselves the Flash, or that all Green Lanterns are the same guy despite them having their own lives and distinct personalities which set them apart. To me, if they've got a different personality and background, then they're a new character, regardless of whether or not they share a codename with someone else.
Sort of what I said.Inventing new heroes would require work and new ideas-so surely the House of Ideas can do that?Again,this is just lazy attempt at being...what?Inclusive?Politically correct?(you can call me names now,people)There are better ways of doing that.
Wally West-good example.Its a story about living up to heroic legacy-a character arc that lasted nearly 30 years.And then did you see what happened when the universe got remade and all that went out the window?They are pretty much same evil at this point,but DC used to handle legacies better then Marvel,you have to admit.There were genuine story arcs,not just: Here random guy,take my costume!
Valiant invents new heroes,DC gives spotlight to some more obscure ones,Marvel can at least do some of those things,right?
And if your replace a hero,don't you also risk alienating current fans?Again,some DC examples could be made.
http://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-cancels-black-knight-with-issue-5/ (http://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-cancels-black-knight-with-issue-5/)
Black Knight canceled after issue #5.Not a big suprise really.But its sad that a book actually had so much potential yet wasted it on a crossover in issue #1.Im guessing that annoyed a lot of people.Anyway,ANAD has its first victim.Who will be next?
I personally think Marvel Comics should have fully rebooted (i.e. *wipe the slate clean*) using Secret Wars as the starting point. It would have made much more sense to have Franklin Richards create a Prime Earth (616 and all of the other alternate universes were wiped out why would Franklin just restart everything like they all were saved on a backup hard drive in case they was deleted?) which allows all of the Battleworld survivors to remain but it's a action movie version of the Cinematic universe. It would allow them to use all of the movie costumes, settings, and environments they created thus far but allowing all of these alternative realities to be introduced by having survivors of those other worlds waking up in the Prime world and discovering their new lives (i.e. Old Man Logan realizing that he really needs to step into Xavier's shoes as the elder teacher).
So many titles were in mid-story arc before Secret Wars was dropped that Marvel Editorial really screwed themselves by promising them to continue once the Crossover was over like Secret Wars never happened except for the time jump because it forced them to just keep the 616 Universe intact like it was and just mess it up further. Marvel really keeps shooting themselves in the foot by setting up these annual events not allowing for any slack in case of delays or extending the crossover story so that is now overlaps into the aftermath which confuses everyone. Marvel and DC have managed to tangle all of their universes so much now that I'm fully more invested in the Cinematic universes because I have far more faith in their production crews then the dart throwing that seems to be going on in the comic offices.
- CQ
Quote from: crimsonquill on February 02, 2016, 11:53:51 PM
I personally think Marvel Comics should have fully rebooted (i.e. *wipe the slate clean*) using Secret Wars as the starting point. It would have made much more sense to have Franklin Richards create a Prime Earth (616 and all of the other alternate universes were wiped out why would Franklin just restart everything like they all were saved on a backup hard drive in case they was deleted?) which allows all of the Battleworld survivors to remain but it's a version of the Cinematic universe. It would allow them to use all of the movie costumes, settings, and environments they created thus far but allowing all of these alternative realities to be introduced by having survivors of those other worlds waking up in the Prime world and discovering their new lives (i.e. Old Man Logan realizing that he really needs to step into Xavier's shoes as the elder teacher).
So many titles were in mid-story arc before Secret Wars was dropped that Marvel Editorial really screwed themselves by promising them to continue once the Crossover was over like Secret Wars never happened except for the time jump because it forced them to just keep the 616 Universe intact like it was and just mess it up further. Marvel really keeps shooting themselves in the foot by setting up these annual events not allowing for any slack in case of delays or extending the crossover story so that is now overlaps into the aftermath which confuses everyone. Marvel and DC have managed to tangle all of their universes so much now that I'm fully more invested in the Cinematic universes because I have far more faith in their production crews then the dart throwing that seems to be going on in the comic offices.
- CQ
Hey, I'm as disillusioned with the current state of Marvel and DC as you are, but I'm not sure if a reboot is the way to go, or at least not in terms of how reboots in comics tend to be handled. If Marvel ever did reboot, I'd want to them start completely over; no previous continuity, and no previous versions of existing characters, which also means no AU versions from other universes. Only changing some parts of the universe while keeping others just muddles the waters and makes the rebooted universe even more convoluted and undesirable than the last one. If you're going to do a reboot, do a real goshdarned reboot, and don't stop halfway.
That said, I'm not sure if I want a reboot anyway. Even if we got one, there's no guarantee that Marvel would quit doing event after event, nor is there anything saying that the new MU wouldn't become just as convoluted and event-driven as the previous one given enough time. On top of that, we might lose a slew of B, C, and D listers that the current Marvel writers don't really care for; you don't see Wonder Man and Valkyrie getting a lot of use these days, so who's to say they'd even be around in a rebooted MU, nevermind what they'd do to the FF and the X-Men?
That said, at this point, a reboot if done right might be the only way for Marvel to salvage their comics in the long run, but if they're just going to serve to promote the Movies and essentially be a carbon copy of them in paper form, I'm not sure if there would really be a point to doing that either.
What you are thinking of is a relaunch,which I doubt Marvel will do any time soon.
Havent they already done enough for movie fans?Something like 5 Deadpool titles this month,Civil War 2,Soon introducing Hope van Dyne,bunch of Spider-man titles,renumbering for almost every movie,Agents of Shield comic,throwing Inhumans into every single title there is?It already is a 60% copy of MCU.Any more and you would have to get Robert Downey Junior as a writer.Thou he would probably do a better job then some of the current ones.
Quote from: Spade on February 03, 2016, 07:10:58 AM
What you are thinking of is a relaunch,which I doubt Marvel will do any time soon.
Havent they already done enough for movie fans?Something like 5 Deadpool titles this month,Civil War 2,Soon introducing Hope van Dyne,bunch of Spider-man titles,renumbering for almost every movie,Agents of Shield comic,throwing Inhumans into every single title there is?It already is a 60% copy of MCU.Any more and you would have to get Robert Downey Junior as a writer.Thou he would probably do a better job then some of the current ones.
My thinking is more along the lines of Marvel using the success of the cinematic universe as the core Prime World (Face it, Marvel's cinematic team is on a serious roll with finding a happy medium with what works in the comics and yet bringing what worked in the classic comics to a much larger audience) but allowing the writing teams to expand into new areas which would seed stories further down the line (Phase 5 or even 6). Marvel comics could easily establish supporting cinematic comics which enhance or advertise their current movies, expand their worlds with new characters using new talent, and still manage to build their Prime Universe with larger story arcs. The whole mess with Inhumans/Mutants is just because Disney/FOX suits can't learn to get along over the rights and forcing Marvel to force a Plan B down our throats. X-Men are really going to take off with Deadpool and X-Men Apocalypse aiming for new fans and letting old fans know they are in good solid hands BUT Marvel Comics has to sideline them because upper management says they have to. I really think Civil War 2 is a horrible idea because technically it's just history repeating itself with another rights problem becoming the ignition point and showing that nobody really learned a lesson the first time around. Secret Wars really shouldn't have hit a reset button with common sense among the heroes unless the first Civil War never happened or was erased from folks memories. I'm really starting to think that the Men In Black now work as Editorial Staff and just walk around flashing people with their memory erasers and handing them post-it notes of ideas that worked before for crossovers as long as it ties into whatever cinematic arc that goes on in Phase Whatever they are doing. I'm fully expecting to be revisiting Infinity War for the fifth time since they brought Thanos back from limbo or death or whatever which seems incredibly stupid since the universe is just getting rebuilt after Secret Wars. So is Ultimate Thanos going to be the welder of the Infinity Gauntlet this time around?
- CQ
But didnt Thanos die in SW?When did they brought him back?
Im okay with movies being movies and comics being comics.I respect that Marvel is trying to bring in new readers,but I dont like the 616(its still that?) looking more and more like MCU.You could just have more comics set in the MCU and solve that problem.Like Flash Season Zero or Arrow 2,5 for example.
Btw,crazy theory,but could Peters marriage be Dead No More?
Quote from: Spade on February 03, 2016, 12:00:58 PM
Btw,crazy theory,but could Peters marriage be Dead No More?
Hopeful Answer: Gosh yes. :)
Realistic Answer: F*** no. <_<
Quote from: Spade on February 03, 2016, 12:00:58 PM
But didnt Thanos die in SW?When did they brought him back?
I dont like the 616(its still that?) looking more and more like MCU.You could just have more comics set in the MCU and solve that problem.Like
As for Ultimate Thanos, I just went back and rechecked my copies of Secret Wars and yes, he DID die but I'm sure that Thanos (of 616) is still kicking around somewhere.. so once again I guess we get to see him wield the Gauntlet just to tie into the movies. Yay?
Marvel Editiorial says that 616 and all of the other pre-Secret Wars universes are gone and erased. There is only Earth Prime, Battleworld (which is a limbo of all of the parts of the surviving old Earths including Weird World), and all of the new alternate universes that Franklin Richards is building (which will be slowly revealed in time and probably placing back the parts of Battleworld that nobody wants to use in any titles).
- CQ
Quote from: crimsonquill on February 04, 2016, 04:02:43 AM
Quote from: Spade on February 03, 2016, 12:00:58 PM
But didnt Thanos die in SW?When did they brought him back?
I dont like the 616(its still that?) looking more and more like MCU.You could just have more comics set in the MCU and solve that problem.Like
Marvel Editiorial says that 616 and all of the other pre-Secret Wars universes are gone and erased.
I've said this elsewhere, but regardless of how much Marvel tries to tout the main MU as being simply 'The Marvel Universe' or what have you, it's always going to be known as 616. Writers and fans alike have been using it for years, and it's not going to just drop off the face off the map like Marvel wants it to. As far as I can tell, 616 is here to stay, even if Marvel wishes it wouldn't.
Quote from: kkhohoho on February 04, 2016, 05:05:42 AM
I've said this elsewhere, but regardless of how much Marvel tries to tout the main MU as being simply 'The Marvel Universe' or what have you, it's always going to be known as 616. Writers and fans alike have been using it for years, and it's not going to just drop off the face off the map like Marvel wants it to. As far as I can tell, 616 is here to stay, even if Marvel wishes it wouldn't.
Yeah, Fans are always going to refer the main universe as 616 because it's always been that.. even if Marvel Editorial will just call it Marvel Prime from this point forward. Least until they start flooding comics with What If? and Alternate Universes and they have to dust off the idea of addressing Prime as some sort of recorded identity on a reality map. Some writer will just pull 616 out of their memories of old school Marvel and it will be stuck once again.
- CQ
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I should have seen that coming.Aaand once again they manage to top Avengers/Attack on Titan.
So how exactly did Deadpool kill his parent while brainwashed by Butler?We saw how his father died in Cable and Deadpool.
-When did Terror have a metal arm?Not in his own series IIRC.
-New Foolkiller?What did I miss?
-Btw,calling Taskmaster Skeletor was never really funny,neither were the Aquaman jokes.Deadpool holding a grudge because Sabretooth called him a Slade ripoff was hilarious.
Old Man Logan still holds up.Worthy sequel to the original story.Which is one of the 2 Mark Millars works I liked.
New Avengers are still consistently...meh.
Quote from: Spade on February 10, 2016, 06:55:00 PM
Old Man Logan still holds up.Worthy sequel to the original story.Which is one of the 2 Mark Millars works I liked.
I think he's had a bit more good stuff than that. Believe it or not, Mark Millar actually used to be a pretty decent writer back in the 90's.He did fill-in issues for JLA and Mark Waid's Flash run, worked with freaking Grant Morrison on Aztek, and had a nice run on Adventures of Superman, (the Superman TAS comic,) of all things. As Linkara put it, Millar is best on a leash, and when he was working with DC back then, that leash was on pretty darn tight. But when he started working for Marvel and doing his own stuff, he broke free of that leash, and so we got Ultimates, Civil War, Trouble, and all of the indie stuff he did like Nemesis and Wanted and God knows what else. We still got Superman Red Son out of it, which is amazingly the one Superhero Millar actually gets and respects, but other than that, he's one writer I've learned to stay away from.
Well those i also liked,but Grant Morrison was also involved there.Maybe I phrased it wrong,2 of Mark Millars Marvel works I liked.Other being Marvel Knights Spider-man.Which I really recommend.
Second point being,I found that Mark works best when keeping things simple.Like Wolverine is brainwashed,or villains rule the Earth or Spiderman runs a gauntlet of his old foes.Not original ideas,but they worked.
Btw,I always guessed that OML reality was a product of Acts of Vengeance done right(wrong?),but it actually diverges from main universe sometime after 2016.
Quote from: Spade on February 10, 2016, 06:55:00 PM
So how exactly did Deadpool kill his parent while brainwashed by Butler?We saw how his father died in Cable and Deadpool.
For what it's worth, that backstory in Cable & Deadpool itselft contradicted an earlier story in the original Deadpool ongoing regarding Deadpool's father. If I recall correctly, it was the Priest run.
And that's without getting into whether or not Deadpool stole the name Wade Wilson from T-Ray. Deadpool's is a major top-down case of "Depending on the Writer".
TBH I only read a few issues of the first series.He was cursed to look like Thom Cruz,I remember that.
Btw,my bad,Foolkiller is Greg Salinger.Im mostly familiar with MAX version.
And still(weird enough) Punisher is missing.I guess they are waiting for season 2 of Daredevil.
There was talk about the Punisher series starting again later on this year. I really enjoyed the last series. Have you guys notice that all the heroes are moving back to NY. Punisher, Iron Man & Daredevil were all on the West Coast, but now they are coming back to NY.
^Yes,a new series is in the works.By Becky Cloonan and Steve Dillon.Unless they adopt the cartoonish black comedy of MK Punisher-Steve Dillon is not a good choice.And there is still the fact he can draw only 1 face.
Last series was okay,but nothing spectacular.
http://comicbook.com/2016/02/05/the-mystery-of-marvels-dead-no-more-solved-/ (http://comicbook.com/2016/02/05/the-mystery-of-marvels-dead-no-more-solved-/)
Another Dead no more theory.Somebody,who can revive the dead, is recruiting Spider-mans villains for a crossovers.
Norman?The guy who hired Deadpool?Somebody new?
Avengers Standoff starts a bit better then I expected.Predictable,but there is a nice twist at the end.Cool reunion.
Quote from: Spade on February 17, 2016, 05:18:29 PM
Avengers Standoff starts a bit better then I expected.Predictable,but there is a nice twist at the end.Cool reunion.
It was better than I expected. This also suppose to lead into bringing back Steve Rogers as Captain America again.
^So I have heard.That was expected.That makes 3 of Captain Americas?
I hope Alpha and Omega will be enough to understand Standoff.I really dont feel like picking up 15-16 titles I dont read usually.
Btw Apocalypse War is starting next month,or in 2 weeks.Soon anyway.I only read Ext X-men anyway and thats not going to change soon.Probably.And mutant mass graves in Germany?Not subtle.
Late reply here, but I also want to chime in and say that I loved the Standoff one-shot. I was interested in the story to begin with, but like the others in the thread, I did think it was quite a bit better than I was expecting. It was a really solid little mystery series with a nice atmosphere to it and decent art by Bagley, but of course the ending makes the whole damn comic. I still haven't decided if I'm going to buy all of the tie-ins, or just the ones that are books I'm already buying. I'll read the next issue and judge from there.
Btw,you would expect the X-men to be better at things like Mindscapes and Alternate universes,since they are doing this for at least 20 years in universe.
New Avengers got a new artist.Good news.
Bit unrelated but after reading his Absolution,I would like to see Christos Gage write Punisher.Oh yeah,there is a Daredevil vs Punisher miniseries coming.You can probably guess why are they fighting.
Quote from: Spade on February 25, 2016, 08:23:04 AM
You can probably guess why are they fighting.
Because
MOVIE TV SERIES. MAKE IT THE
MOVIE TV SERIES.
And Punisher wants to kill a criminal while Daredevil wants to protect him so he could face justice.That plot has been used at least 3 times by now.
Cover for the upcoming comic
(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n558/JeyNyce/DDvP.jpg) (http://s1139.photobucket.com/user/JeyNyce/media/DDvP.jpg.html)
So it was
Spoiler
Sabretooth
who killed Deadpools parents?This just reached Spawn territory.But it looks like an interesting showdown on the other hand.
I kinda hoped that Old Man Logan and Kate will go on a road trip,but that's not happening.
-Im from the future
-Oh...
-Oh?Thats it?
-Well,you are an X-men
Avengers Standoff Alpha Spoiler
I guess that explains the kid from the previews.Its a living Cosmic Cube.Maria Hill is a total troll,btw.IIRC Atlas was last seen with the Defenders,then he retired,but now hes back in jail?Thats odd...
I haven't kept track of it in years, but:
Spoiler
Didn't The Shaper of Worlds say that The Cosmic Cube was an egg, of some sort? Like whatever species he is?
So true Spade, Maria Hill started off funny and was trolling big time towards the end of the book
Yep, totally trolling. Hill was so snarky in this book she could have been written by Bendis.
Still enjoying this book. It's very much an extension of Nick Spencer's Cap run, but it's quite good and makes me want to read his run as well. Don't think I'm going to pick up the extra tie-ins; I'm probably just going to stick to the titles I'm already buying.
Spoiler
Actually Atlas was part of Wonder Man's Revengers team in Bendis' Avengers run, after Last Defenders. I never bought that group of characters going up against the Avengers myself, but it was Bendis so that was standard operating procedure.
https://imgur.com/a/lCHcq (https://imgur.com/a/lCHcq)
Bendis sparks another contraversy.Its hard to tell was he taking a jab at fans or Marvel.Btw,in-universe bystanders seem to quote internet comments a lot recently.
I'd like to see what some of the other examples are, but that wouldn't surprise me.
If it is a jab at fans, that's not entirely new. Post OMD Spidey took jabs at and quoted internet comments quite a few times. Of course, pretty much all of them just made the creators themselves look like antagonistic jerks.
Was there ever a scene like this in the Ultimate run with Miles?
Funny thing is, Spidey claimed to be black in an early issue of Dan Slott's She-Hulk. Mind you, he only said that to screw with Jameson, and we didn't get to find out how many people believed it or cared (though Jameson did get immediately defensive).
IIRC during the fake Spider-man arc in Ultimate,a bystander comments how she always imagined Spidey as white,but now she thinks that was racist of her.
But I guess it shouldnt really matter to the people in-universe.If somebody is saving your life,why do you care who it is?
http://brianmichaelbendis.tumblr.com/post/140357163692/i-love-what-you-do-with-miles-i-always-have-but (http://brianmichaelbendis.tumblr.com/post/140357163692/i-love-what-you-do-with-miles-i-always-have-but)
Bendis takes to tumblr.And this time...he kinda has a point?
Well,as usual,both sides are taking this too far and too seriously.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/exclusive-jean-grey-teases-phoenix-force-in-new-civil-war-ii-image (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/exclusive-jean-grey-teases-phoenix-force-in-new-civil-war-ii-image)
Phoenix is in Civil War 2?So the whole thing is about an Inhuman who can predict the future,and half of heroes want to use that power to punish people for the crimes they will commit?Minority report meets Civil War.
Re: Bendis: I just read that tumblr post, meant to do it earlier than forgot. My thoughts:
Yes, he has a point. An admirable one at that, but his bedside manner needs some work. Because He's Bendis, I'm not sure he can say anything without me being tempted to disagree with it because of his candor.
"You don't know who I run my &*%^ by". Then WHY DO YOU GET SO MUCH WRONG B? WHY DO YOU GET SO MUCH WRONG?
The nice thing about opinions on the internet, is you never have to agree 100% percent with it. Good thing too, because some of the things Bendis says in his post make me to break them down and rant about it.
I have to agree with Bendis on this one. The story just started so we don't know what to expect.
It could be that Marvel is just the most exosed company right now,but this kinda a stuff happens to them a lot.From Havocs speech,Icemans akward outing,whole mess over hip-hop covers,rumors about Nathan Edmonson.They can urine off internet every week,it seems.
Interesting development in Uncanny Avengers, the latest installment in Standoff:
Spoiler
The team encounters Maria Hill leaving outside Pleasant Hill, then at at the end of the issue encounter a second Maria Hill. Now the real question is, which one was the one who be trollin' in the earlier issues?
Not as good as the Nick Spencer issues, but does move the story forward a little bit.
LMDs?
Btw,werent Dark Riders killed by Wolverine in their last apperance in his series?How did Deadbolt glued his head back on?I guess that shouldnt have killed him in the first place.
Quote from: Spade on March 11, 2016, 06:04:42 AM
Btw,werent Dark Riders killed by Wolverine in their last apperance in his series?How did Deadbolt glued his head back on?I guess that shouldnt have killed him in the first place.
If Mr. Sinister can clone his Marauders to have backups.. I'm pretty sure that Apocalypse has his own spare clones for his enforcers as well even if these are apparently going rogue to do their masters mission since there is no active Apocalypse.. yet.
- CQ
:doh: Clones,ofc.
Considering that Apocalypse is making a comeback next week,they might not have been working alone.
Well,3 Apocalypses,to be exact.You would expect the Uncanny Avengers to also be involved,but they are busy with Standoff.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/axel-in-charge-introducing-x-men-to-civil-war-mark-millars-icon-return?utm_campaign=axel-in-charge-introducing-the-x-men-to-civil-war-mark-millars-i&utm_medium=email&utm_source=breaking_bulletin (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/axel-in-charge-introducing-x-men-to-civil-war-mark-millars-icon-return?utm_campaign=axel-in-charge-introducing-the-x-men-to-civil-war-mark-millars-i&utm_medium=email&utm_source=breaking_bulletin)
Axel in charge-hes super excited about everything.To show people Marvel cares,X-men will have a bigger role in Civil War.Its a mini series by Cullen Bunn where they fight Inhumans,and each other ofc.Also there is some talk about Millars movie pitch,er,comic Empress.Where he deconstructs the space opera genre.Yey...
Quote from: Spade on March 15, 2016, 06:12:22 AM
\Axel in charge-hes super excited about everything.To show people Marvel cares,X-men will have a bigger role in Civil War.Its a mini series by Cullen Bunn where they fight Inhumans,and each other ofc.Also there is some talk about Millars movie pitch,er,comic Empress.Where he deconstructs the space opera genre.Yey...
Is it too much to ask that Marvel just, you know, stop having their heroes fight each other every few years and instead just fight other villains? Pretty please? (With sugar on top?)
Its Civil War 2.By Brian Michael Bendis.Avengers will probably end up worst then X-men.Best Avengers moments according to Bendis: Avengers defeating Michael Korvac,and Ultron.
-Hey,remember when we failed to stop Ultron from killing a whole country?
-Yeah,good times.
Also,that reminds me,Doctor Strange is kind of a jerk.
It astonishes me that Bendis is still allowed to write comics.
Quote from: Spade on March 15, 2016, 06:46:03 PM
Its Civil War 2.By Brian Michael Bendis.Avengers will probably end up worst then X-men.Best Avengers moments according to Bendis: Avengers defeating Michael Korvac,and Ultron.
-Hey,remember when we failed to stop Ultron from killing a whole country?
-Yeah,good times.
-Hey, remember when we all fricking
died in trying and ultimatly failing to beat Korvac, and were only just barely saved due to his girlfriend turning on him at the last minute?
-Yeah, good times.
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 15, 2016, 08:14:49 PM
It astonishes me that Bendis is still allowed to write comics.
Hey now; Bendis isn't a
complete hack. ;) His runs on Daredevil and Jessica Jones were actually pretty darn good, and I've heard good things about his Ultimate Spiderman. His X-Men run wasn't even that bad.
The problem Bendis ultimately has though is that he doesn't realy 'get' larger scale Superhero books. He's fine with street books and the like, but if you take him above that, he just can't seem to tell a compelling story. And it isn't just that he can't handle cosmic-scale situations, no; it's that, beyond possibly the X-Men, he doesn't know how to handle actual teams. He can't give most of his characters unique voices that seperate them apart, because he refuses to write any dialouge that doesn't 'roll off the tounge', even if a certain character should probally be speaking in a specific way instead of as if they're having a casual chat at a BBQ. And partly because of this, his Avengers ended up wisecraking nearly every goshdarn second instead of having actual meaningful conversations that either promoted character development or actually dealt with the problem at hand. Because of all of this, even though a given story in his Avengers or the like should by all rights be a mighty epic, it just doesn't have the scale to support it, nor will he make us care about his characters enough so that we give a darn about what's happening. In fiction, it isn't enough that the world's at stake; we also need to care about who's actually saving it. And in big team books like Avengers, Bendis just isn't able to make us care.
Quote from: kkhohoho on March 16, 2016, 01:32:07 AM
Quote from: Spade on March 15, 2016, 06:46:03 PM
Its Civil War 2.By Brian Michael Bendis.Avengers will probably end up worst then X-men.Best Avengers moments according to Bendis: Avengers defeating Michael Korvac,and Ultron.
-Hey,remember when we failed to stop Ultron from killing a whole country?
-Yeah,good times.
-Hey, remember when we all fricking died in trying and ultimatly failing to beat Korvac, and were only just barely saved due to his girlfriend turning on him at the last minute?
-Yeah, good times.
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 15, 2016, 08:14:49 PM
It astonishes me that Bendis is still allowed to write comics.
Hey now; Bendis isn't a complete hack. ;) His runs on Daredevil and Jessica Jones were actually pretty darn good, and I've heard good things about his Ultimate Spiderman. His X-Men run wasn't even that bad.
The problem Bendis ultimately has though is that he doesn't realy 'get' larger scale Superhero books. He's fine with street books and the like, but if you take him above that, he just can't seem to tell a compelling story. And it isn't just that he can't handle cosmic-scale situations, no; it's that, beyond possibly the X-Men, he doesn't know how to handle actual teams. He can't give most of his characters unique voices that seperate them apart, because he refuses to write any dialouge that doesn't 'roll off the tounge', even if a certain character should probally be speaking in a specific way instead of as if they're having a casual chat at a BBQ. And partly because of this, his Avengers ended up wisecraking nearly every goshdarn second instead of having actual meaningful conversations that either promoted character development or actually dealt with the problem at hand. Because of all of this, even though a given story in his Avengers or the like should by all rights be a mighty epic, it just doesn't have the scale to support it, nor will he make us care about his characters enough so that we give a darn about what's happening. In fiction, it isn't enough that the world's at stake; we also need to care about who's actually saving it. And in big team books like Avengers, Bendis just isn't able to make us care.
This is exactly the case! I agree 100%, and have thought similarly about him. It's like the office worker getting promoted out of a job they're great at until they end up in a job they're terrible at. If you'll forgive a few years dated tv reference, Bendis is the Michael Scott of comic books.
His Ultimate Spider-man is one of the two runs that introduced me to Spidey in the first place,and its really good.Just like you all said,he cant handle teams very well.Thing and Carol are discussing Ghostbusters in the middle of the fight,Doctor Strange is in an alternate dimension,Iron fist in another alternate dimension,Spider-man and Wolverine are there to sell the book;and nobody knows whats going on.
His X-men were so-so at best.His writing of Cyclops is one thing I liked.Im surprised they haven't promoted Bendis into editor by now.
-Once I start remembering Avengers Disassembled,I just cant stop...Correct me if Im wrong,but wasn't Michael Korvac a good guy who got killed because of poor communication on Avengers part?Thou I believe it was later retconed as him being evil from the start?
I always liked his Ultimate Spider-Man (though there's years of it I haven't read) and the only problem I ever remember having with it was the pacing. Some of those issues man....I swear they took about 5 to 10 minutes to read. A lot of it was written for the trade. Honestly that might be my biggest issue with Bendis of all. For all his shaky dialogue and characterization, his dubious takes on continuity, and his often anti-climatic superpowered fights that should be more epic....the pace leaves you unsatisfied a lot of the time. You often don't feel like you got your money's worth (I read the vast majority of Bendis' Avengers run on Marvel's digital comics service, which is just a flat rate per month, so I was fine on that front)
So Daredevil wants to stop Punisher from killing a guy,so he could stand trial and get the death sentence.And Punisher is trying to kill a guy who will probably get the death sentence.I guess irony is lost on these people.
Ext X-men #8 I guess the previews lied to us.
Spoiler
Forge is back.So is No-Girl.After a confrontation with Sugarman(pretty clever plan for him,I have to say),X-men tumble into the future where Colossus is Apocalypse with Deadpool,Moon Knight and Man-thing(?)Venom as his Horsemen.
Also,you would expect people to stop asking Doctor Strange for help at this point,but...
That actually went a bit better then I expected.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/16/international-iron-man-doesnt-know-much-about-geography-or-history/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/16/international-iron-man-doesnt-know-much-about-geography-or-history/)
Speaking of Bendis...Tony went to Cambridge university,in London.And they had Google back in '96.Man,Franklin really screwed up when he recreated the world.
Also,I belive that was Venom,not Man-thing as one of the Horsmen.My mistake.
Yeah, I was going to say, both articles I saw on the subject (CBR's and IGN'S) both said it was Venom, and I'd say it looks more like Venom than Man-Thing.
Spoiler
In my defense,it isnt easy to tell who it is.Maybe its Man-thing with Venom symbiote.Venom-Thing? :)
(http://media.comicbook.com/2016/03/extraordinary-x-men-8-174409.png)
Is Colossus the new Apocalypse,or is he Death,actually?Now,I assume Death.
Spoiler
Is that Moon Knight? Moon Knight as a Horesemen would be awesome
Yes,but I dont think its Mark Spector.
http://comicbook.com/2016/03/18/exclusive-mary-jane-dons-iron-spider-armor-on-amazing-spider-man
Didn't see that coming. In the same vein as Agent Venom, Mary Jane is apparently becoming the second Iron Spider, and it's looking likely that she'll be on Tony's team during Civil War II. This also means that with Spidey already on Team Carol, the two of them will likely be on opposite sides, continuing Marvel's vaunted efforts to smash the pairs' relationship into the ground.
...
WHY?!
I kinda confused why Spiderman supports Carol in the first place?Because hes jealous,I guess?Also I dont see why Captain America(Steve) supports Carol.Other then to have Cap vs Iron Man again.And She-Hulk?Im just curious why are these people supporting Minority report side?
Quote from: kkhohoho on March 18, 2016, 06:57:45 PM
http://comicbook.com/2016/03/18/exclusive-mary-jane-dons-iron-spider-armor-on-amazing-spider-man
Didn't see that coming. In the same vein as Agent Venom, Mary Jane is apparently becoming the second Iron Spider, and it's looking likely that she'll be on Tony's team during Civil War II. This also means that with Spidey already on Team Carol, the two of them will likely be on opposite sides, continuing Marvel's vaunted efforts to smash the pairs' relationship into the ground.
...
WHY?!
Perhaps these people don't have any personal relationships to use as a basis? I would hope that thy don't have one as convoluted, disappointing, and sad as most of the ones I hear about in the comics today.
Hmmm... and I did an Iron Spider-Woman...
(http://www.theouthousers.com/images/jce/S.F._Jude_Terror/2016/03/Civil_War_II_Amazing_Spider-Man_1_Cover_Khary_Randolph.jpg)
That sums it up nicely.
And it was Uncle Ben thats Dead No More,along with everyone else who died in Spiderman comics?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/18/is-that-the-return-of-uncle-ben-in-spider-man-dead-no-more/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/18/is-that-the-return-of-uncle-ben-in-spider-man-dead-no-more/)
And Deadpool and Mercs for Money will be an ongoing series.Because YOU demanded it!
'Hey, you remember that really promising idea that we utterly ruined the first time! Well, we're all set to ruin it again!'
Quote from: Spade on March 19, 2016, 10:46:26 AM
And it was Uncle Ben thats Dead No More,along with everyone else who died in Spiderman comics?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/18/is-that-the-return-of-uncle-ben-in-spider-man-dead-no-more/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/18/is-that-the-return-of-uncle-ben-in-spider-man-dead-no-more/)
Oh for the love of... :banghead:
Quote from: kkhohoho on March 19, 2016, 04:06:15 PM
Quote from: Spade on March 19, 2016, 10:46:26 AM
And it was Uncle Ben thats Dead No More,along with everyone else who died in Spiderman comics?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/18/is-that-the-return-of-uncle-ben-in-spider-man-dead-no-more/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/18/is-that-the-return-of-uncle-ben-in-spider-man-dead-no-more/)
Oh for the love of... :banghead:
Nobody thought they would do something so stereotypical,so thats probably why they did it.
And Cullen Bun gets another title.Maybe hiring some new writers wouldnt be a bad idea,they kinda stretched out these out.Seems like Bendis is the only "big name" writer they have left.
After the disaster that was Bunn's run on Aquaman, I would avoid anything else he was asked to write.
Currently hes writing 3 titles at Marvel,1 at DC,and 2-3 for Dark Horse and Oni Press.Thats just overkill.
Sometimes I miss Stan Lee...
... and Roy Thomas...
...and Marv Wolfman...
...and Chris Claremont...
...and Len Wein...
...and Tony Isabella...
...and Steve Skeats...
...and Joe Gill...
...and "Grass Green"...
...and Doug Monech...
...and Richard E. Hughes and company...
...and
So here's my question:
With Spidey making a deal with the devil and the whole recent Secret Wars thing, does anybody remembers the first Civil War?? You figure you would learn from your mistakes
That doesn't happen in comics. This is why Johnny Storm always learns his lesson, becomes mature, and leaves behind the childishness and impulsiveness of youth and three issues later he is an immature schnook and the cycle starts again.
Booster Gold had the same problem. I'm sure there are others.
Quote from: JeyNyce on March 20, 2016, 03:17:17 PM
So here's my question:
With Spidey making a deal with the devil and the whole recent Secret Wars thing, does anybody remembers the first Civil War?? You figure you would learn from your mistakes
i assumed thats why hes facepalming.Btw,fun fact,in an issue just before OMD,Peter talks to (its heavily hinted) God,who tells him everything will be okay and that he will be rewarded for his heroism.Obviously,Peter has a memory of a goldfish.
Quote from: daglob on March 20, 2016, 03:51:39 PM
That doesn't happen in comics. This is why Johnny Storm always learns his lesson, becomes mature, and leaves behind the childishness and impulsiveness of youth and three issues later he is an immature schnook and the cycle starts again.
Booster Gold had the same problem. I'm sure there are others.
To be fair,Johnny learns to be mature several times.It last until a new writer takes over.
Quote from: Spade on March 20, 2016, 04:16:04 PM
To be fair,Johnny learns to be mature several times.It last until a new writer takes over.
This is kind of my point ;)
Well,comics are a self canibalising medium.Thing tend to repeat after a while.
http//:www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/134810-c2e2-marvel-announces-mighty-men-of-marvel-variant-theme.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/134810-c2e2-marvel-announces-mighty-men-of-marvel-variant-theme.html)
Marvels newest pitch(along with actually printing Daily Bugle).Weird thing is,nobody is complaining that is sexualised and that real men dont look like that.
So, we're talking about he Chippendale Age of Marvel Comics?
Well...I think they have slightly misread their audience.
Only Deadpool and Doctor Strange covers fit the theme.Others are just people in full costumes standing around.Just like regular covers.
Btw,anyone remembers Marvel swimsuit editions?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/fc/d4/7cfcd44085c7100ffd3e44ca432132e4.jpg)
You guys know that site is a joke, right?
I believe it's satirizing how March is the Women of Power month, yet every other month men are on the covers in the same poses.
No,really?
You do know that covers are still real,right?
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/c2e2-mighty-men-of-marvel-take-over-julys-variants (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/c2e2-mighty-men-of-marvel-take-over-julys-variants)
Exactly same article on CBR.The one actually listed under source.
Holy crow, they are actually doing it?
That's pretty funny then! I kinda wish they did go more beefcake for laughs (just no Skullkini like Punisher had in the swimsuit edition)
Shield mole in
New Avengers was
Spoiler
Songbird.
Huh.
I finally got around to reading Spider Island.Fun event,even if a bit chaotic.Points for fixing Jackal,And Kaine;his later series was great.
And there is another cancellation
(http://www.theouthousers.com/images/jce/S.F._Jude_Terror/2016/03/IMG_00082-600x595.jpg)
Quote from: Spade on March 23, 2016, 04:26:36 PM
Shield mole in New Avengers wasSpoiler
Songbird.
Yeah, I'm not sure I'm cool with that one. I'll wait and see if they give it a good justification but I fear Ewing will screw up the character with that this.
QuoteI finally got around to reading Spider Island.Fun event,even if a bit chaotic.Points for fixing Jackal,
I'm curious what you mean by "fixing" Jackal. I found they (aka Slott) just played him to the nines and let him be the ridiculous, hammy, his-motives-make-no-damn-sense-but-whatever cartoon character that he was in the nineties.
QuoteAnd Kaine;his later series was great.
Disagree, Kaine got turned "un-decaying" because the plot said so, which was a recurring justification for a lot of the stuff that happened in his book. Been meaning to give my thoughts on his book since you've brought it up once before. I've never understood why people like his solo. It had weak art most of the time, relied on guest stars because the actual characters weren't strong enough to carry the book, had a truly annoying, unlikable, badly written kid character (Aracaly), and displayed a blatant double standard for Spidey books, that being a "grim and gritty" lead wearing Spidey's costume that gets a free pass, while the book parades sex slavery, prostitution and naked, underage murder victims in full view of Kaine, who's not a cop, during a active crime scene investigation in
daytime (L.A. Noire handled that with more class, and that game takes place during the 1940's!), in a SPIDEY book (aka kid-friendly property), while Spidey got lambasted (rightfully so) for comparably sleazy content.
And that's without getting into the atrocious pacing, glaring lack of accessibility, "Writer On Board"/"Worf Effect" style B.S. and legendarily dropped plots (which could have been picked up in New Warriors, but weren't) that are stables of the equally overrated writer, Chris Yost.
On a unrelated topic: just read the latest Astonishing Ant-Man, with a spotlight on Cassie Lang. LOVED IT. Less pleased am I, however, with the letters page, which implies they're going to bring back a gimmick from last year's volume I genuinely despised and have
also been meaning to rant about. (RANT WARNING BTW)
See, because it's Ant-Man, they opted to make the letter's page's text
so small you can't read it.Not even joking, they actually made it so you
can't read the text in a BOOK that you're expected to pay full price for.
Now, here's the thing: the digital copy of the comic, allows you to zoom in on the page and read the text. Marvel did something similar in one of the stories in the Spider-Verse anthology: it was told
entirely in Spanish. But don't worry, they provided a translation....but ONLY in the digital version.
I don't like Marvel making MY comics, that I pay FULL price for, unreadable. One might attempt to defend this to by calling it an "experiment" as if any supposed artistic merit (I'll get to that) could take priority over me being able to read the product. My response is that if they continue this I drop the book, and I may very well make good on that if they continue doing this with Ant-Man. On the plus side, I have a Digital Comics Unlimited subscription, so I'd get to read the issues at no extra price a few months later anyway.
The funny thing is, I don't even entirely buy Marvel is even doing this for artistic merit (really, how much do they even have at this point?). I have a theory this is one of their many ultimately misguided attempts to fight piracy. C.B. Cebuski once said in an interview that they've "tried everything", including printing their books with special ink that made them impossible to scan. At which point the pirates took hi-res photos of them and went about their business. The only problem is I've never actually seen them bring up the fact that the un-tainted content is in the digital copy (which only makes things worse; How am I supposed to read said content if you don't make it clear to me it's there?). I only learned about the Spanish-to-English translation because it was mentioned in a online review.
I suspect they're might be doing the Spanish trick with Massacre, the Mexican Deadpool in Duggan's run of DP. I'm going to check the digital copy of Spidey/DP #3 to confirm this.
So, yeah, that's just a thing that bothers me.
TBH,Im having a hard time recalling everything about Scarlet Spider(V2 or v3?),I just found it fun.And that was enough for the moment.
Jackal was hammy and over the top,but there is some charm in that.
Not sure what you mean about Massacre.He does speak in Spanish,and it isnt translated.Hes kinda like Lopez from RvB,come to think of it.
Oh don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against Jackal being hammy and over the top, I actually enjoyed him in those stories too. I'm just saying the way he's written there doesn't strike me as different than the way he was written in the Clone Saga, nor was there anything really changed about the character that would constitute a "fix".
I do find it an apt comparison that Slott's run is on par with the slipshod writing of the Clone Saga. I hold far more contempt for Inferior Spider-Man and Spider-Verse than I do TCS though, but admittedly I've not read the entirely of TCS (I imagine quite a few haven't, its a monster of a story).
Regarding Scarlet Spider, that's a perfectly fine response. If you did have anything to add about any of the stuff I mentioned, I would have been quite interesting in your response. I could easily go into more detail about how the book handled things compared to other works that I'd give a pass with similar material or tropes. I'll say this though: Carlo Barberi's art on the book rocked (hence why I said "most of the art was weak", not "all"), and if he hadn't done an arc on the book, he might not have done the art in the "Point One" Spidey story "Spyral", which also rocked despite a rather glaring mistake involving Mister Negative.
What I mean about Massacre is I'm curious if the Spanish dialogue is translated within the digital copy of the comic that comes with the print version, since that's what they did with the Spanish Spider-Man story. I do think it's less likely since he's isn't the central character and him speaking in another language is no doubt for comedy reasons (I read on the Marvel fan wiki that it was a joke about how Spanish reprints of Deadpool comics would leave his name "untranslated", though that confused me because the same entry also claimed "Massacre" is the name for Deadpool in Mexico, so I guess they used the word "Massacre" instead of the Spanish word for "Massacre"? ????)
Speaking of Slott and Spider-Man, there's going to be a Spider-Man Civil War tie-in mini and it's going to be written by long-time Slott co-writer Christos Gage. I'm not raging at Civil War II like others here, so I'm open to the prospect of buying a Spidey mini (Spidey's tie-in to the original Civil War was, IMO, one of the best parts of it, though it did vilify Tony further), but so far they've said pretty much zilch about what the plot is so I'm not sure. What I do know, though, is I respect the hell out of Christos Gage due to his polite, classy way of talking to fans even in the face of criticism, and his tendency to spin crap into gold, or at least a decent Silver-Age style Fix-Fic (see: The Hood and Tigra in Avengers Acadamy), even though I find him a somewhat shaky writer on his own. His writing and characterization can get a bit awkward, and characters of opposing sides in AA got handed the Conflict Ball and thus fought because the plot said so. A good example of this was the reoccurring element (in modern comics in general, not strictly Gage's work) of Quicksilver and Magneto being unable to be in a scene together without trying to kill each other.
I've given up on Slott's Spider-Man, but I might be willing to pick up a solely-Gage written one. I quite enjoyed his Spider-Island tie-in one shot, and the fill-in two-parter in Amazing Spider-Man featuring the AA.
I mentioned it before,but I thought Gage could right an interesting Punisher after reading his Absolution.
Btw,I was talking with a friend about Bendis-es New Avengers(again) and I realized that Carnage was dead for almost 10 year.And that Bendis was really trigger happy.
Oh yeah. I'm not really sure what kicked off the big Carnage revival that shows no signs of stopping (still haven't finished Superior Carnage, BTW) but it was actually pretty impressive and admirable how the Carnage mini by Zeb Wells and Clayton Crain bent over backwards to explain how Cletus Cassiday/Carnage survived The Sentry flying him into space, ripping him in half, and leaving him there.
Mind you, in any remotely realistic world he'd be dead within seconds, but hey comics.
Can't remember if I mentioned this in this thread awhile back, but the Inverted version of Carnage from Axis was incredibly entertaining. I loved how he got Spidey to make him a statue.
[Edited to add]
Also wanted to reply to the comments about Cullen Bunn. Back in the day, I actually really talked him up because I liked Fear Itself: The Deep, which he wrote. Since then, I wasn't entirely sure what I liked about his work so much. His Venom run was very much Remender-lite, and Bunn ran the "Flash Thompson has daddy issues" trope into the ground.
That being sad, I actually have zero problem with Mercs for Money getting an ongoing with him as the writer, both because I like the concept of the Mercs for Money, and because I kinda liked Bunn's Deadpool "Killology" minis (Deadpool kills the Marvel U, Deadpool Classics Killustrated, and Deadpool Kills Deadpool, even though DKD was pretty much a better version of Spider-Verse, killing and all)
Re: Angela cancellation: Oh you mean the book where the female writer had Odin's father appear just so they could rant about how offensive men are? Yeah, maybe that book should be cancelled. If a male writer did that....
Oh, you know what else I wanted to bring up/rant about? So Marvel's seriously doing a comic about Loki running for president. (http://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-loki-for-president/)
I could bring up that as an Asgardian, and thus a non-U.S. citizen (and possibly a convicted felon to boot!) Loki would be ineligible to run for prez, but I imagine the story's going to involve those illusion based powers he's so fond of using (mind you, even if that weren't the case, it'd still make more sense than nobody figuring out Ock wasn't the real Spider-Man, but I digress). I could do that, but I'm not going to.
Instead I'm going to ask a simple question: WHY? EFFING WHY?
I get that Marvel puts Loki-sempei in everything because people liked him in them movies and 14-year old girls on tmblr think he's sexy but was anyone outside said tmblrites asking for this specific comic?
And I'm going to throw out ideas here, but if you're going to do a political satire comic, with a popular Marvel mischief maker running for president, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be, oh I don't know, the character who's whole thing is making commentary on pop culture and breaking the fourth wall and being un-PC and who also just had an absurdly successful movie...you know, Deadpool?
The irony is Sam Wilson's reaction on the cover (facepalming) is a better reaction than any I could give, so I give Marvel props for being at least that self-aware.
What's also morbidly amusing is I recently read a rant online by someone decrying the shoehorning of politics and such into a fictional work, specifically using Loki as an example (pushing vegan food, but still). If you only knew.
And I know I've ranted about a BUNCH of stuff in this thread over the past year or so, but I imagine by far the most controversial opinion I'll ever express is that I'm possibly the only person on this spinning blue orb who doesn't really dig Loki. I knew I'd have to bite the bullet, get in the confession box and bring this up at one point or another but genuinely in my heart of hearts never thought in a million years it'd be a comic about Loki running for president that would get me to do it.
....and yes, I'd still rather vote for him than Trump. Yaknow, if I wasn't Canadian.
I saw that,and I first I thought Asgard(ia) became democratic,which would make more sense then this.We are already bombed with presidential campaigns everywhere,why would somebody read a comic about it?
Hate to sound like Linkara,but superhero comics are an escapist medium at its core,and while there is always some room for satire(or dropping Bill Clinton in Irak),this seems like overdoing it.And im not that crazy about Loki myself either.
Before somebody asks,Im dont live in US and thus dont really care about your elections.No offense.
I can think of far, far worse people to sound like than Linkara (cough Yahtzee cough) but don't political satire comics (Barack the Barbarian, ect), yaknow, usually suck? I haven't even seen who the creative team on this thing is but I like to think whoever's writing is slumming it like a boss :cool:. So Christos Gage then. Fun fact: Gage wrote the Batman v Superman comics that come inside Frito Lay family packs and (I assume) General Mills cereal. That is real, you can look that up.
Also, in case you didn't see it, I updated my post earlier with a response about Angela getting cancelled.
I haven't been reading Angela,but I know that pretty much every panel became a meme.
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah95/bganimeteam28/11/p00L2gp_zps3ynafqz1.jpg)
And haven't really read satire comics,since again I dont care that much.Well stuff that Mark Millar and Warren Ellis do is a bit too blunt to be satire,so dont think that counts.
Anyway,I generally like Gage.He can write lighter stuff like Avengers Academy and pretty dark stuff like Absolution.And somewhat in-between stuff like Deadshot.He can do pretty much everything it seems.
I think I mentioned Al Ewing before so forgive me if I repeat myself.(To quote Rob Liefeld "who is Al Ewing?" :rolleyes: Okay,I know who he is,but it doesn't mean much.)He not good,hes not bad,hes perfectly mediocre.I have no reason to compliment him,but I cant bash him either.He hammers out stuff each month and thats pretty much all there is.
A book cannot live on memes alone. When's the last you heard someone talk about the Grumpy Cat, My Little Pony, or Littlest Pet Shop comic. Oh that's right, when Linkara made a cameo. ;)
Hercules giving a thumbs up this comic is not.
Yeah, I hate to be that guy, but that's Gamer Gate business right there. NO MAN would get away with that with a "nagging feminist" editorial cartoon.
And also, um....yeah, not to be a jack, but I barely know who Bor is and I KNOW it's not like he's never appeared before. Making him an editorial cartoon kinda does a huge disrespect to the lore. And this is the person writing a book ABOUT the Asgardians? Yeah, byebye.
Yeah, you did mention Ewing, in yet another post I've been meaning to reply to. You mentioned how that clickbait merchant over at Bleeding Crap called him the modern "Alan Moore". Ignoring that nobody gets to be the modern Alan Moore including Alan Moore, I've read some of his books including New Avengers. He's ok but he's not even Fabian Necieza. But considering that Johnson also said Waid's Daredevil was somehow "the next Watchmen" (whatever that means),yeah, no reason to take any stake in his "unsolicted opinions on comics".
Ah,Rich...you know,when Rob Liefeld is the realistic one in the argument,you are obviously doing something wrong. <_< But twitter arguments aside for the moment...
I just found that Ewing and (his New Avengers) lack any sort of voice.There is really nothing to be called unique,hes trying to run plots from 3-4 previous series.(Oh yeah,naming yourself Wiccan is offensive to Wiccans.)And since I haven't read Kierons Young Avengers Im a bit lost with some plots.
Since I already commented on everyone-Cullen Bunn is very 50/50 to me.Something good,something bad.I hear hes better with his own comics then mainstream stuff.
Repeating myself again,sorry.
So I fully admit I have a huge bias with Ewing's new Avengers because I'm a fan of Wiccan, Hulkling, and Songbird. The Young Avengers and Thunderbolts in general. However I haven't had an issue with their characterization so far (we'll see about that business in this week's issue). I've also liked Victor Alvarez/Power Man in the stuff I've read, and of course Hawkeye.
The business with Wiccan is a direct lift from Kieron Gillen's Young Avengers. I honestly forgot all about it and had to look it up to get up to speed. Also I should mention, the time travelling business with the future Avengers is straight from the Ewing storyline Avengers: Ultron Forever, which I made a point to read before the issue of NA where they came up. It was pretty good, but I felt it ran it's course by the end. So yeah, so far he's strictly "just ok." I've been meaning to read his Mighty Avengers run since there is a little carrying over from it here, and people on this forum have it's fantastic old-school Avengers, and yes, (sigh) Rich talked it up. Not looking forward to the Land art though, or the Inferior Spider-Man.
The funny thing is, Wiccan is Billiy's second acronym. His first was "Asgardian". At the end of Heinberg's first YA arc, Kate Bishop suggested he change his name because people will make jokes "once they find out about him and Teddy" (Wiccan and Hulkling are of course, an openly gay couple. And yes, I was on forums back then, and people did make jokes.)
On the topic of NA, Spade, since we've both made our opinion's on Geraldo Sandoval's art (you said you didn't like, I did), I was wondering: What did you think of Marcus To in this week's issue? Personally I quite liked it (he had a really nice run on Red Robin over at DC), I would be quite please if he stuck around.
I might have mentioned that,but the change of artist was welcome.I like Marcus To for now.I think his artwork kinda fits better here.
Don't get me wrong,I have nothing against Sandoval,just IMO his artwork was a bit rushed here.
I did read the first volume of Young Avengers,but not the second series.No reason,it just didn't click with me.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/03/18/spider-mans-uncle-ben-may-be-dead-no-more (http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/03/18/spider-mans-uncle-ben-may-be-dead-no-more)
Also feauturing tentacles.I thought Doc Ock is mostly alive.
Here's the thing about that (which I went over on here a months back:
Spoiler
Doc Ock's consciousness is stored inside the robot called The Living Brain. I assume this was the countermeasure Doc Ock put in place during the events of Spider-Verse, which he appeared in as Inferior Spider-Man via time travel. That wasn't even the first backdoor Slott left open for Ock's return; At point near the end of Inferior (I don't remember exactly when, and I don't care enough to look it up), we are shown that someone had dug up Doc Ock's corpse and stole it from the cemetery. To my knowledge this plot point has not come up again, and last I checked the Ock/Living Brain plot hasn't really been moved forward much (Slott tends to go all over the place when it comes to setting up and developing subplots. Actually reminds me quite a bit of Robert Kirkman on both Invincible and Marvel Team Up, now that I think of it.)
So while Doc Ock's mind is currently alive, his significance in "Dead No More" could very easily refer to his actual human body being brought back to life. This isn't even the first time that happened. He was killed by Kaine during the Clone Saga in the nineties and was brought back in the late 90s (I don't remember the details, it was either magic or advanced technology).
Speaking of Dan Slott's Spider-Man, I've been keeping track of how much of "Renew Your Vows" had been added to Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited and I noticed a week or two ago that they have the whole thing now. I might read it sometime in the near future (I'm currently reading the early issues of Duggan's Deadpool, and I often read during shows like Flash and Arrow since my compy is near the tv) and I do and I have anything interesting to say about it I'll chime in here. If nothing else I hear Slott actually did a good job with the family man Peter and MJ stuff and Regent has been somewhat relevant in the current volume.
I guess thats the only possible revival.
Duggans Deadpool is so-so for me.He started strong with Dead Presidents,but trailed off as time went by.Current series is okay.I liked the Mercs,but confusion over who killed DPs parents annoyed me a little.
Also talked about it,but I donts see how RYW reinvigorated Spider-man as some say.Pretty average story IMO.
I know Im boring with this but DEAD NO MORE:
http://www.newsarama.com/28602-scarlet-spider-more-in-latest-dead-no-more-teaser.html (http://www.newsarama.com/28602-scarlet-spider-more-in-latest-dead-no-more-teaser.html)
Scarlet Spider.Madame Web and Prowler
http://www.newsarama.com/28617-rhino-electro-the-lizard-join-marvel-s-dead-no-more-event.html (http://www.newsarama.com/28617-rhino-electro-the-lizard-join-marvel-s-dead-no-more-event.html)
Rhino,Electro and Lizard.
Now Im just confused. :huh:
Maybe Marvel is going to bring back every character who ever died in the Marvel Universe... :rolleyes:
Quote from: daglob on March 31, 2016, 02:38:51 PM
Maybe Marvel is going to bring back every character who ever died in the Marvel Universe... :rolleyes:
But Electro,Lizard and Rhino are still alive.(Well Rhino 2 is dead)
We dont know who is Scarlet Spider,but Kaine is also presumed alive.
Well he was shown alive at the end of Spider-Verse, right? I think he was in a different dimension though.
Oddly enough, characters being previously dead was a important plot point in Blackest Night.
http://www.newsarama.com/28628-gwen-finally-makes-her-spider-man-dead-no-more-teaser-debut.html (http://www.newsarama.com/28628-gwen-finally-makes-her-spider-man-dead-no-more-teaser-debut.html)
Its Gwen Stacy.Is she a villain now?Is this some Hush style story?
http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/asm-dnm-0512d.jpg (http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/asm-dnm-0512d.jpg)
Whole thing.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-teases-death-x-fall-2016 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-teases-death-x-fall-2016)
They finally decided to just kill every mutant and be done with it?Wouldn't surprise anyone...
New Avengers #9 American Kaiju,the lovechild of Nuke and Godzilla.That was hilarious.
Empress #1 That was pretty good actually.Somewhat in vein of Millars Starlight.And there are dinosaurs.
Death of X: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/10/marvel-comics-massively-discounts-all-its-x-men-tpbs-and-hcs-for-death-of-x-sale/
We're getting another big X-Men event this fall, which might just seem like business as usual, but there's a little snag this time around. Apparently, Marvel is doing their best to clear out their warehouse of any and all X-related titles, with TPB's getting very large discounts for retailers who wish to help them do so.
I hope this doesn't mean what I think it means...
Doubt that they would shut down X-men like they did the FF.Sales are strong and there is a movie coming up.Ofc,we know that movies dont really affect the comic sales,but Marvel doesnt.
Guessing here,but the event might be a sequel to the Age of X.
The death of Professor X?
Quote from: daglob on April 11, 2016, 01:42:03 PM
The death of Professor X?
He's already dead. I'm thinking more of the death of the X-Men in general more than anything else. (Unfortunately.)
Quote from: kkhohoho on April 11, 2016, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: daglob on April 11, 2016, 01:42:03 PM
The death of Professor X?
He's already dead. I'm thinking more of the death of the X-Men in general more than anything else. (Unfortunately.)
Shows you how well I keep up.
Quote from: daglob on April 11, 2016, 04:32:19 PM
Quote from: kkhohoho on April 11, 2016, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: daglob on April 11, 2016, 01:42:03 PM
The death of Professor X?
He's already dead. I'm thinking more of the death of the X-Men in general more than anything else. (Unfortunately.)
Shows you how well I keep up.
It's not like you're missing much. Do you know how Professor X was killed? By a Phoenix possessed Cyclops, that's how. Who is now a hated pariah by just about everyone despite it not really being his fault.
There's a reason I don't read modern Big Two comics these days...
I follow and raise. :)
Cyclops is also dead after doing something so horrible that nobody is saying what it is.
Presumably trying to kill Inhumans.
But X-men '92 was good.
As you probably heard by now-Civil War 2 FCBD was leaked on 4chan.Its way dumber then anyone imagined.It could be fake,but its too Bendis-ian to be fake.
Spoiler
Rhodey and Carol kiss,Black Pather wants to throw up.Then Inhumans show up.Then Thanos shows up wielding a liefeldian gun.Carol tells him hes under arrest.Seriously.A stray rocket hits She-Hulk and she goes down saying ''Son of a...'' War Machine just stands confused and Thanos kills him.Then other heroes get mad and beat up Thanos.
My brain hurts. :thumbdown:
New Wasp is
Spoiler
Nadia.Which is a Russian variation of Hope.
I mean,who saw that coming? :rolleyes:
I knew NOTHINK.
That being said, I read the fake spoilers. Poe's Law is in full effect. That could be the actual plot, but it also sounds like a parody of some of Bendis' worst, most underwhelming traits, and an example of how un-suited he is to the big, cosmic Avengery Avengers stuff. If it is accurate though, then I'd say Bendis hasn't gotten any better at writing Avengers since his Avengers run ended.
Now, a few months ago there was also a troll-tastic set of fake X-Men spoilers on 4Chan, which included Morph being the mystery X-Men character to join Uncanny Avengers, with a redesign to look like the 90's cartoon version of the characters, while the Young X-Men became villains and terrorists because they were duped or something. It sounded absolutely dreadful and thankfully didn't happen (though the cameo in that issue of Uncanny Avengers wasn't much better, and yes, that's yet another topic I'd been meaning to bring up for a while)
Actually, regarding New Wasp, that was already revealed in a preview book that came out last week (we didn't learn her name there though).
I dont mean the plot has leaked.The entire comic has leaked.Complete scan of the comic is online.
Doubt anyone would go thru so much trouble of faking it.
Quote from: Spade on April 12, 2016, 05:53:35 AM
As you probably heard by now-Civil War 2 FCBD was leaked on 4chan.Its way dumber then anyone imagined.It could be fake,but its too Bendis-ian to be fake.
Spoiler
Rhodey and Carol kiss,Black Pather wants to throw up.Then Inhumans show up.Then Thanos shows up wielding a liefeldian gun.Carol tells him hes under arrest.Seriously.A stray rocket hits She-Hulk and she goes down saying ''Son of a...'' War Machine just stands confused and Thanos kills him.Then other heroes get mad and beat up Thanos.
New Wasp is Spoiler
Nadia.Which is a Russian variation of Hope.
It has leaked, I was in that thread. It was hilariously bad. and yes as Han Solo has said in TFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip9tIwYd-8M
Quote from: Silver Shocker on April 12, 2016, 07:21:45 AM
I knew NOTHINK.
That being said, I read the fake spoilers. Poe's Law is in full effect. That could be the actual plot, but it also sounds like a parody of some of Bendis' worst, most underwhelming traits, and an example of how un-suited he is to the big, cosmic Avengery Avengers stuff. If it is accurate though, then I'd say Bendis hasn't gotten any better at writing Avengers since his Avengers run ended.
Now, a few months ago there was also a troll-tastic set of fake X-Men spoilers on 4Chan, which included Morph being the mystery X-Men character to join Uncanny Avengers, with a redesign to look like the 90's cartoon version of the characters, while the Young X-Men became villains and terrorists because they were duped or something. It sounded absolutely dreadful and thankfully didn't happen (though the cameo in that issue of Uncanny Avengers wasn't much better, and yes, that's yet another topic I'd been meaning to bring up for a while)
Actually, regarding New Wasp, that was already revealed in a preview book that came out last week (we didn't learn her name there though).
I'm betting that you're referring to the one that had the Future Seeing Inhuman was named Homer right? Yeah it's pretty dead close outside of the Inhuman not being named Homer.... I bet Marvel's feeling high and mighty now that they proved those spoilers wrong right? It's not Homer, it's actually ULYSSES :D not that that codename/name makes more friggin sense.
Ulysses is the roman name for Odysseus,which Homer wrote.So there is that motif.
I guess they realized most people will think of Homer Simpson,rather the the Greek poet. :)
in the meantime,Bendis denied that a leak was possible,since the comic wasn't lettered yet.
So somebody had access to finished pages and wrote a fake script?If that's the story he's sticking with...
Quote from: Spade on April 12, 2016, 03:02:45 PM
Ulysses is the roman name for Odysseus,which Homer wrote.So there is that motif.
I guess they realized most people will think of Homer Simpson,rather the the Greek poet. :)
in the meantime,Bendis denied that a leak was possible,since the comic wasn't lettered yet.
So somebody had access to finished pages and wrote a fake script?If that's the story he's sticking with...
CIVIL WAR 2 #0 isn't lettered however CIVIL WAR FCBD #1 is. It was the latter that's leaked.
EDIT:
Don't worry, a lot of people were confused too. Yes Civil War 2 #0 is a separate book that launches alongside DC's Rebirth #1 guess what I'm getting *hint it has 80 pages and costs $3*
That's what I said in the first post.FCBD issue was leaked.Yes,it requires 2 prequels for some reason.
However I don't know what issue was Bendis referring to.
Speaking of Rebirth,you know how DC is having a midnight sale on may 24?Well,Marvel is also.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/07/marvel-comics-also-to-allow-midnight-sales-on-may-24th/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/07/marvel-comics-also-to-allow-midnight-sales-on-may-24th/)
Thou ,I believe Comixology has the titles after midnight anyway,so they are not really gaining much anyway.
Quote from: Spade on April 12, 2016, 04:08:52 PM
That's what I said in the first post.FCBD issue was leaked.Yes,it requires 2 prequels for some reason.
However I don't know what issue was Bendis referring to.
Speaking of Rebirth,you know how DC is having a midnight sale on may 24?Well,Marvel is also.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/07/marvel-comics-also-to-allow-midnight-sales-on-may-24th/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/07/marvel-comics-also-to-allow-midnight-sales-on-may-24th/)
Thou ,I believe Comixology has the titles after midnight anyway,so they are not really gaining much anyway.
Yeah, that's a pretty sly move stealing someone's thunder but hey, all the better for us. It's not like I have to go the midnight release, when I can just ask my LCS to keep it for me (Even so since LCS here in my area are located in malls which close down at 10PM). Still, maybe once the consumers see that DC releasing a $3 80 pager among Marvel's $4 and $5 books (Yeah, they no longer have any books on their main line at $3 last I checked) maybe they'll finally realize that comics could be a lot more cheaper and that Marvel pushing that "Special Issue Price" to $6 (Which seems to be the way with Civil War 2 #1 being $6) and $10 is pretty insane and expensive and will just hurt the industry more. I want to get my friends into comics but I doubt I will when they see it's around $4 to $5 a pop.
We already discussed the state of industry several times,so I got nothing new to say.
To return to earlier discussion about Death of X-despite everything,I doubt they would actually kill all mutants.Because that would require canceling 4 titles + possibly AN Wolverine and Uncanny Avengers.Canceling 4 to 6 titles that sell reasonably well?They are not stupid.Well,that stupid.Oh,and Old Man Logan.So 4 to 7 titles.
Still think its a sequel to Age of X.
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/articles/preview-extraordinary-x-men-9/1100-155289/ (http://comicvine.gamespot.com/articles/preview-extraordinary-x-men-9/1100-155289/)
The fourth Horseman is Man-Thing.I was right.
Venom, Deadpool and Man-Thing. Who is the other one?
Moon Knight.
Ext X-men: I see Apocalypse has been playing some Sim-city.Or maybe Dungeon Keeper.
New Avengers: I got a feeling Larry,Agent of AiM is gonna be a mini-series one of these days.Some familiar faces return.And a giant robot fights a kaiju.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BenJMorse/status/723603974797033473 (https://mobile.twitter.com/BenJMorse/status/723603974797033473)
Somebody returns in Standoff: Omega.Richard Rider?Captain Mar-vell?Genis-vell,going by the Thunderbolts theme?That would be tricky,thou...
Quote from: Spade on April 24, 2016, 05:08:30 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/BenJMorse/status/723603974797033473 (https://mobile.twitter.com/BenJMorse/status/723603974797033473)
Somebody returns in Standoff: Omega.Richard Rider?Captain Mar-vell?Genis-vell,going by the Thunderbolts theme?That would be tricky,thou...
As much as I wish it was Richie Rider, it doesn't look like the Nova corps symbol.
Standoff is over.
Spoiler
It was Wendell Waughn.But hes there just to pass on his powers.Don't get too excited.
Red Skull decided to be a more classical terrorist.Bully for him,I guess.
In the end it was an okay event,from the pieces I did read.
Thunderbolts #1 next month.I wish I could say I was optimistic,but I really cant. :(
(http://www.theouthousers.com/images/jce/S.F._Jude_Terror/2016/04/MosaicCombined4.jpg)
The whole Mosaic.Its a head.
Whose head though?
Quote from: Talavar on April 30, 2016, 01:39:55 PM
Whose head though?
Mosaics?My theory is that its a characters name.
Empress #2 Hey look,mini Lando. :)
X-men 92 #3 Council of multiversal Draculas.Thats pretty cool.
Punisher #1 If your familiar with Steve Dillons work on Punisher,you know what to expect.Thou its only 1 scene and Punisher is barely in it,so I cant really form an opinion.
Thunderbolts #1 Its like somebody dusted off an issues from 1992 and put it in print.I have to hand it to Malin,he can ape Rob Liefeld perfectly.Sadly,thats the best thing I can say about his artwork.Story isnt that much better either,They fight Shield agents in green armors to find some intel.Then there are some Inhuman cocoons(?) and Kobik kills a team member.Well,probably not... So in general :thumbdown:
So I'm not going to the shop until the weekend since that Free Comic Book Day, so I haven't actually read T-Bolts yet, but...
Inhumans...in My T-Bolts? It's more likely than you think!
I'm hoping they swap out Malin for somebody else, just about anybody else, as soon as they do most other books, because what I've seen just isn't appealing at all.
Really hope they didn't just kill an original T-Bolts character in the first issue (no, I don't know who it is, and there's no way in heck I'm looking it up before I read the issue). Talk about getting off on the wrong foot. Well, Fixer got trapped in a time loop in Parker's run and he came back from that so hopefully it won't stick.
Well its either Inhuman cocoons,or the (God)Zilla eggs left from the 1998 movie. :wacko:
I think the person in question survived.Not exactly a great start.
Btw,they have Mark Bagley around,why isnt he drawing this?
New Avengers #11 New New Avengers?There is this solitary issue between Standoff and Civil War 2.1 issue between 2 events.Seriously?
No, it's more Inhuman B.S. they outright say it in later solicits.
Re: Bagley: Apparently they didn't want the Thunderbolts comic with a nostalgic roster to git gud.
Re: New Avengers: In all fairness, the Standoff issues didn't have that much to do with Standoff. They were mostly moving the New Avengers along, so I'm actually kinda ok about it. They needed to get back to Wiccan and co eventually anyway.
It was more of a comment on how often events happen.And since when is Scarlet Witch all New Age and super relaxed? XD
Getting real sick of Inhumans now.Other heroes in the MU seemed to have accepted them suprisingly well.Considering the whole thing with eugenics,caste system and slavery.
Just finish reading Amazing Spider-man and here is what I figured out:
Civil War 1 happen and Peter helped Tony create the Iron Spider suit
Tony doesn't know that Peter is Spider-man, in fact the only person who knows is MJ
Tony Stark has heard of Peter, but doesn't know him personally
So this is how Marvel is cleaning up One More Day and Civil War
A quick video review of the book:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rffZ0jM1kX4
Quote from: JeyNyce on May 05, 2016, 12:37:30 PM
Just finish reading Amazing Spider-man and here is what I figured out:
Civil War 1 happen and Peter helped Tony create the Iron Spider suit
Tony doesn't know that Peter is Spider-man, in fact the only person who knows is MJ
Tony Stark has heard of Peter, but doesn't know him personally
So this is how Marvel is cleaning up One More Day and Civil War
A quick video review of the book:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rffZ0jM1kX4
The only way they can clean up Civil War and One More Day is to nuke them off the face of the Earth. It's the only way to be sure.
Did One More Day happen?Im confused.
Both One More Day and Sins Past need to be undone/never acknowledged.
See, I actually was under the impression that the ONE good thing OMD did was retcon Sins Past out of continuity until recently. But nope, they brought up Gabriel in a post Dark Avengers storyline, so it's still completely canon <_<
What bothers me about that most is that, there's SUCH an easy fix here that lets writers expunge the icky topic of Osborn and Gwen having kids, without removing the fundamental conflict Gabriel represents. We know Osborn was involved with Miles Warren, and that he was the one responsible for the Clone saga. Now, he had access to Gwen's DNA because of Warren, so what if the whole "Oh yeah, I banged your old girlfriend" was something he had on the backburner, just to mess with Peter's mind. Gabriel is still Norman and Gwen's son, at least in terms of DNA, but it would explain why he and his sister had rapidly aged, AND still permanently removed the implication that Gwen would have EVER slept with Norman Osborn.
As for OMD... I don't want that story ignored, because I feel like that's the lazy option, and that's what we're doing anyway. What I'd like to see, if we're not going to outdo it outright, is to have it acknowledged and dealt with properly. No story, however awful, is unsalvageable. A good writer can take something stupid and make something good out of it. What *I* want is for Peter to take proper responsibility for the deal he made.
There was a visual gag on the cover of the latest Spider-Man/Deadpool, #4, where they're at a restaurant and Spidey's got a note on the table: "call me: 555-0666". Now there is a good reason for that in the story, but when I first saw that I thought it was a joke about One More Day.
I'd rather see it dealt with in the comics too. Preferably written by just about anyone other than Dan Slott or Joe Quesada. The problem I have is they like to do this thing where they refuse to do the story everyone wants them to tell for years, then when they do decide to do it, they exploit that by trumpeting it as a big event as if they ever cared what the fans wanted. They did it with One Moment in Time, they did it with Renew Your Vows, they did it with the arc of Bendis' Guardians of the Galaxy that showed what happened after Thanos Imperative, and DC did it with Stephanie Brown aka Spoiler.
Quote from: Tomato on May 06, 2016, 12:09:11 AM
See, I actually was under the impression that the ONE good thing OMD did was retcon Sins Past out of continuity until recently. But nope, they brought up Gabriel in a post Dark Avengers storyline, so it's still completely canon <_<
What bothers me about that most is that, there's SUCH an easy fix here that lets writers expunge the icky topic of Osborn and Gwen having kids, without removing the fundamental conflict Gabriel represents. We know Osborn was involved with Miles Warren, and that he was the one responsible for the Clone saga. Now, he had access to Gwen's DNA because of Warren, so what if the whole "Oh yeah, I banged your old girlfriend" was something he had on the backburner, just to mess with Peter's mind. Gabriel is still Norman and Gwen's son, at least in terms of DNA, but it would explain why he and his sister had rapidly aged, AND still permanently removed the implication that Gwen would have EVER slept with Norman Osborn.
As for OMD... I don't want that story ignored, because I feel like that's the lazy option, and that's what we're doing anyway. What I'd like to see, if we're not going to outdo it outright, is to have it acknowledged and dealt with properly. No story, however awful, is unsalvageable. A good writer can take something stupid and make something good out of it. What *I* want is for Peter to take proper responsibility for the deal he made.
No, I want Sins Past ignored, not explained away or retconned out. Sins Past actually takes some retconning to even be viable, because JMS has no sense of how time passes in comics. When Gwen went away, she was actually gone for a short period of time - something like a few weeks - not long enough to have conceived and given birth to children. Also, the whole thing creates two problems: 1. It gives more motivation for Norman having killed Gwen, when none was needed. and 2. It makes Gwen a heck of a lot less of a sympathetic character.
If they do have to have it in continuity, then yes, I'd like it explained away with it not actually being Gwen....and with both twins being killed off, if they haven't been already.
Except they aren't ignoring it. They brought Gabriel (the male twin) back and gave him this weird jekyll and hyde thing, where he would do stuff like kidnap Harry as the Gray Goblin, but then freed him as American Son... basically making him the new Harry Osborn while the actual Harry is on the straight and narrow working for Parker industries. It's not awful, in and of itself... it's just that it does mean Sins Past is still technically canon, which is frustrating. Again, my preferred solution is to make it all a revenge plot by Norman... Explain the two away as clones made from Norman and Gwen's DNA (and the rest of it as Norman messing with Peter), so writers can have their "forgotten son of Norman Osborn" cake and the rest of us can all stop thinking of Norman and Gwen producing kids.
Actually,JMS operated on some weird meta timeline in which 50 years did pass,but Peter never aged.Or thats the feeling I got.
His run started really good,but went downhill more and more.And the September 11 issue...
http://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-goes-on-mutant-kill-spree-promising-not-a-dry-eye-in-the-house/ (http://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-goes-on-mutant-kill-spree-promising-not-a-dry-eye-in-the-house/)
Variant covers are all the rage these days.Ones for Death of X feature X-men being killed.Like,Nightcrawler is being burned at a stake.Lovely...
Remember that FCDB CW2 leak thing?It was the real thing.100% the real thing.Bendis. :banghead:
Yep, I got it on FCBD and read it. At least the art was pretty, but then it's Jim Cheung. He can phone it in (and I think he did) and the end result will still be in excess of 99% of Marvel's artistic output these days. I'll be honest, by the time I read the actual comic I kinda forgot what some of the things we already decided were stupid were.
The Wasp story was fine for what it was. The art was by Alan Davis, can't complain there. It's was a tease of course, not much of a story.
Didn't get the Spidey/Cap book cuz they were all out. Read spoilers online. Meh.
^Jackal is back?Again?Hes probably the one "reviving" people.And Slott does like him.
Honestly I thought there will be a last minut script change in CW2 prologue.
Why would there be? I don't think they have a tendency to do that. The only instance I can recall is an issue of Abnett and Lanning's Nova featuring the Thunderbolts, which had a small dialogue change between the preview and the released issue. I did like the change though.
See, Marvel's always stood by Bendis and let him do what he wants, see, it's not a "bug", it's a "feature". Changing the story would an admission that Bendis' work was bad.
Quote from: Tomato on May 06, 2016, 04:11:40 AM
Except they aren't ignoring it. They brought Gabriel (the male twin) back and gave him this weird jekyll and hyde thing, where he would do stuff like kidnap Harry as the Gray Goblin, but then freed him as American Son... basically making him the new Harry Osborn while the actual Harry is on the straight and narrow working for Parker industries. It's not awful, in and of itself... it's just that it does mean Sins Past is still technically canon, which is frustrating.
While that is true, that story came out in 2010, and to my knowledge Gabriel hasn't made so much as a cameo since. That sounds like ignoring it to me.
Well,it was leaked,so I expected some script changes because of that.Just to mess with the readers.But I guess it wouldnt matter anyway.
-Spirits of my ancestors,let me not barf in my mask.
-Son of a...
And why does everyone writen by Bendis sound the same?
Quote from: Spade on May 11, 2016, 05:00:31 AM
Well,it was leaked,so I expected some script changes because of that.Just to mess with the readers.But I guess it wouldnt matter anyway.
-Spirits of my ancestors,let me not barf in my mask.
-Son of a...
And why does everyone writen by Bendis sound the same?
Apparently, he won't write down so much as a single sentence unless it 'rolls on the tongue.' If if this means that he won't write characters unless they sound exactly the same, than I guess it make sense. <_<
Doesnt matter if your a king or Sorcerer Supreme,they all talk "street".Spiderman,Son of Satan,same thing... XD
I rechecked Terror Inc. And Terror did have a metal hand.Cant believe I forgot the whole series...
Quote from: Spade on May 11, 2016, 03:09:07 PM
Doesn't matter if you're a king or Sorcerer Supreme,they all talk "street". Spiderman,Son of Satan,same thing... XD
That makes them edgy and "cool". If you believe that, I have some swampland you will be interested in, and a beautiful bridge...
Quote from: daglob on May 11, 2016, 04:51:14 PM
Quote from: Spade on May 11, 2016, 03:09:07 PM
Doesn't matter if you're a king or Sorcerer Supreme,they all talk "street". Spiderman,Son of Satan,same thing... XD
That makes them edgy and "cool". If you believe that, I have some swampland you will be interested in, and a beautiful bridge...
To me,it makes them all look like the same person wearing different costumes,but okay...Im not a comic book writer,what do I know...
You are the comic book reader, and you are who the books are supposed to be written for. Sometimes it seems like the story suddenly veers off into some kind of personal experience for the writer, and for some reason the book continues to be published. Or, if the book is cancelled or the writer is replaced, the writer blames the readers for not "getting" what he was doing (basically literary onanism).
Cerebus effect?
With Bendis its more along the lines of everybody having the same quips.Which gets annoying fast.
So I've been catching up on a few Spider-Man related books... just finished reading ANAD Avengers (the one with Miles) and they introduced a new Wasp... and while she does seem to exist solely as a backhanded way of tying into the movies (She's basically an altered version of Hope Van Dyne) I like what they came up with for her origin...
Spoiler
Instead of being Henry Pym's daughter with Janet, Nadia Pym is Henry's daughter with Maria Trovaya, his first wife. It's an interesting twist on things, and allows her to have the whole dead mother thing without killing Janet for the 12th time.
So. Apparently, the first issue of the new Steve Rogers!Captain America comic has a big twist at the end that, you guessed it, changes everything, but in this case it just might. Supposedly, Steve is now a HYDRA agent, and has been one ever since childhood, his mother having inducted him into it when he was just a kid living in Brooklyn. If you don't believe me, here's the link: http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135410-exxxclusive-bad-guys-the-outhousers-will-spoil-captain-america-steve-rogers-1.html
...
BULLHOCKEY!!!
Hrm... I... hrm.
Ok, so listen... the idea that he's always been Hydra and is complicit with Hydra is BS and I won't defend it at all. BUT... please hear me out here before you kill me... BUT... there is a plotline from Earth X where the Red Skull reveals that the entire Super Soldier program was secretly a Nazi project, that Erskine was working for Germany the whole time, and that the man who killed Erskine was there to kill Captain America once they had proven that the serum worked. The plot rang true because the whole idea of a blonde haired, blue eyed super soldier IS the fundamental Nazi ideal, and I wouldn't mind seeing something like it fleshed out in the mainstream stories.
This though... hrm. No. Nononono. Steve being complicit with Hydra makes no sense.
Quote from: Tomato on May 24, 2016, 08:24:03 PM
Hrm... I... hrm.
Ok, so listen... the idea that he's always been Hydra and is complicit with Hydra is BS and I won't defend it at all. BUT... please hear me out here before you kill me... BUT... there is a plotline from Earth X where the Red Skull reveals that the entire Super Soldier program was secretly a Nazi project, that Erskine was working for Germany the whole time, and that the man who killed Erskine was there to kill Captain America once they had proven that the serum worked. The plot rang true because the whole idea of a blonde haired, blue eyed super soldier IS the fundamental Nazi ideal, and I wouldn't mind seeing something like it fleshed out in the mainstream stories.
This though... hrm. No. Nononono. Steve being complicit with Hydra makes no sense.
I've read Earth X too, (and it's pretty kickass, dry dialouge aside,) and the reason that works is that Steve is still Steve. His entire creation may have turned out to be a Nazi plot, but Steve himself was completely unaware of this. He was still the star-spangled man with a plan we knew and loved, who as it turned out just happened to be an unwitting and unfortunate pawn in a rather insidious scheme, and none of that mangled his character or nullified his accomplishments.
This? This, assuming this isn't some big brainwashing plot or something, (which I hope it is,) is anything but that. (As you pointed out.) This not only alters Steve's origin, but also alters his
character, assumedly turning him into a card-carrying member of
the Nazi Party Hydra, therefore tainting everything he did, regardless of the good that was done, because he wasn't doing it simply to help people and save the world. All this time, he's now secretly been working to
take over the world, (Gosh knows how that makes any sense...) and it paints everything that's come before in a rather sinister light. And even if it is a brainwashing plot or some sort of undercover plan on Cap's part, keep in mind that this same sort of crap was done to Falcon back in the day, and the fact that it eventually turned out to be a load of BS doesn't change the fact that it was a load of BS. Even if it's all some big hoax, it's still something Marvel shouldn't have even suggested in the first place.
Oh, I completely agree. The fact that Steve would be complicit in this just does not smell right, but without knowing the context it's hard for me to say "F U Marvel"
But ho boy... if they try to seriously tell me this has always been the case... then NO. Nononono.
Geez, just when I thought Marvel couldn't stoop lower.
Do they ever care when they massively upend a character's entire history? They've done it a few times before, and it's never worked.
EDIT: ...I have no words: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/24/captain-america-theyve-only-gone-and-done-it-final-page-spoilers/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I thought Outhouse is just taking potshots at Rebirth.But this is real.Killing a B lister,how original.
Now,could this be the 50's Steve who somehow switched places with the real one?
Literally outrageous. I can't even express how much this offends me.
It's the Captain America of Earth-3. Either that or it's an abysmally STOOPID idea.
I wrote several other things, but kept having to erase them. I probably should stop here.
Except to say that it looks like another way to deconstruct the superhero. An asinine way.
My whole theory on Captain America is the new younger version was pulled from an alternate timeline and another easter egg planted from the Secret Wars team. Anything surprise related from comics these days is just rehashing the "WTF? shock moment!"
- CQ
Well,they had to compete with Rebirth.And congrats,they won.This was way weirder.
The Captain America thing is garbage. And you can be assured that I'm using a stronger word than `garbage' in other places. Steve is my favorite Marvel superhero, and I can't believe anyone sane approved the idea.
What's next? DC decides Alfred killed Bruce Wayne's parents?
Quote from: GhostMachine on May 25, 2016, 06:28:40 PM
What's next? DC decides Alfred killed Bruce Wayne's parents?
Ssh! Don't give them ideas! ;)
Anyhoo, I've managed to calm myself down now, (which was quite a feat, I assure you,) and as much as I love Cap, and as much as I was borderline outraged yesterday about all this, I don't think it's that big of a deal. Apparently, back in the recent Captain America crossover Standoff, Red Skull (who still has Xaiver's telepathic powers due to surgically implanting them from Xaiver's rotting corpse,) said, 'The seed is planted.' For all we know, it could just be some big brainwashing scheme that'll be finished up by the end of the year. It actually kind of reminds of me of Legacy from Superman TAS, and if anyone's seen it, they'll know how good that turned out. So, after getting my initial anger and frustration out of the way, I'm actually kind of looking forward to see where they take it from here. Of course, if this
doesn't turn out to be a big brainwashing scheme or some equivalent thereof, than Marvel will basically be dead to me. :mellow:
EDIT: And now I'm wondering if I should take all of that back: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/comics/marvel_comics/comics-todays-captain-america-steve-rogers-1-features-a-a142018
Didn't they do evil Alfred already? I'm pretty sure they turned him into a secret supervillain and he ended up dying a few decades ago, only for DC to retcon him back to life later on.
That being said, I'm not stressing this. Yes, it's a stupid marketing ploy, and I don't believe it for one hot second... but while Marvel is doing some crazy shenanigans, they're not THAT crazy. Captain America 3 made what, just shy of a billion? They're not going to do anything to permanently ruin the character, they're just playing around with it to tell some good stories... Eventually Cap's going to realize this is just brainwashing shenanigans, and he'll overcome it... because that is what he does.
Quote from: Tomato on May 26, 2016, 02:26:40 AM
Didn't they do evil Alfred already? I'm pretty sure they turned him into a secret supervillain and he ended up dying a few decades ago, only for DC to retcon him back to life later on.
That being said, I'm not stressing this. Yes, it's a stupid marketing ploy, and I don't believe it for one hot second... but while Marvel is doing some crazy shenanigans, they're not THAT crazy. Captain America 3 made what, just shy of a billion? They're not going to do anything to permanently ruin the character, they're just playing around with it to tell some good stories... Eventually Cap's going to realize this is just brainwashing shenanigans, and he'll overcome it... because that is what he does.
This I know... but it still bugs me that we'll have to wait months, possibly until the end of the year, to get unbrainwashed Cap back, because that's just how most of these long-arse storyarcs work these days. <_<
At worst,it only lasts until the next reboot/relaunch.
Which is Marvel Now(again) this fall.Yey,another relaunch.
That time of year again, huh?
Its a day ending in Y for Marvel.
On a funnier note,no way somebody is gonna take the Captain development as a political commentary,right?
Too later. Every source I've seen mentioning this ties it to the current Presidential election. Even though it has nothing to do with said election. I really don't see the parallels.
Hail Hydra!And vote Hillary. :blink:
So I posted a big mini-essay about the whole 'Captain Hydra' thing on another forum, and I figured that I might as well post it here. So without further adue:
"Here's what I'm getting from all this: Yes, it's probable that this is all just some big brainwashing plot on the Skull's part. Yes, it's probably going to be done away with by the year's end. And yes, within a few years time, this might well be swept under the rug like it never happened.
The problem though is that, in the here and now, all most people know for sure is that Steve is apparently a Nazi. Now, some of us are willing to put that aside and wait to see what happens, but many more aren't so patient. All that matters to them is what this particular issue here is saying about Cap, and they couldn't care less about what's to come until it comes. They don't want to wait several months for this to be undone; they want it be undone this very second. They want Marvel to come out and say right now that this is all just some hoax, and than to come out with a new Cap comic that undoes this ASAP. Because until that happens, as far as they're concerned, Cap's a freaking Nazi.
Now, as far as why this is such a hot issue with Cap, compared to how it might be with some other Superheroes? For one there's the whole 'created by two Jewish people' thing, which understandably rubs a lot of people the wrong way. But, as some have been trying to say, (and maybe not going into enough detail about,) Cap is more than just 'the white guy.' He's an inspirational figure; a kind, caring, and yet commanding and respectful hero who fights for the spirit of the American dream rather than how it's actually practiced, because the American dream as it's practiced is a load of BS. But Cap represents the ideal American dream, and believes that it's something worth fighting for. And so to subvert this representation of the dream into everything Cap was against is understandably going to rub people the wrong way. Cap isn't your average Superhero; he's basically Marvel's version of Superman in some respects, and anyone who loves Superman (as I finally did a few months ago when I had a goshdarned epiphany about him,) would probably feel the same way. (Though if you don't, than more power to you I guess.)
And on top of all of that, most who are ticked about this don't even really read the comics; they just read up on the important stuff while only bothering to watch the movies and TV shows. They aren't necessarily as in tune with just how comics actually work, and so as far as they're concerned, Cap is just a Nazi, because they don't know about comic cycles and the like. In most other media, a change is a change, and while there can still be twists and the like, I don't think there's going to be as many people suspecting that it's all one big brainwashing plot compared to your average comic-reading audience who's familiar with this sort of thing. Hence the vitriolic reactions and the death-threats.
So all in all, we have a mix of people who aren't that familiar with how comics work combined with those are upset at just the principle of the thing regardless of how it turns out, as well as all of this centering around a character equivalent to Superman in the ways that matter. Are they acting incredibility irrationally at all of this? Maybe. But who can blame them?'
In the meantime,Brevoort is convincing people that its not a dream,hoax or an imaginary story.
Does it really matter,if the whole universe is rebooted again in october?
On a similar note,this and Rebirth spoilers seem to be the only thing people are talking about.And I really wanted to discuss Spiderman/Deadpool. :(
Quote from: kkhohoho on May 26, 2016, 03:35:45 PM
So I posted a bit mini-essay about the whole 'Captain Hydra' thing on another forum, and I figured that I might as well post it here. So without further adue:
"Here's what I'm getting from all this: Yes, it's probable that this is all just some big brainwashing plot on the Skull's part. Yes, it's probably going to be done away with by the year's end. And yes, within a few years time, this might well be swept under the rug like it never happened.
The problem though is that, in the here and now, all most people know for sure is that Steve is apparently a Nazi. Now, some of us are willing to put that aside and wait to see what happens, but many more aren't so patient. All that matters to them is what this particular issue here is saying about Cap, and they couldn't care less about what's to come until it comes. They don't want to wait several months for this to be undone; they want it be undone this very second. They want Marvel to come out and say right now that this is all just some hoax, and than to come out with a new Cap comic that undoes this ASAP. Because until that happens, as far as they're concerned, Cap's a freaking Nazi.
Now, as far as why this is such a hot issue with Cap, compared to how it might be with some other Superheroes? For one thing, there's the whole 'created by two Jewish people' thing, which understandably rubs a lot of people the wrong way. But, as some have been trying to say, (and maybe not going into enough detail about,) Cap is more than just 'the white guy.' He's an inspirational figure; a kind, caring, and yet commanding and respectful hero who fights for the spirit of the American dream rather than how it's actually practiced, because the American dream as it's practiced is a load of BS. But Cap represents the ideal American dream, and believes that it's something worth fighting for. And so to subvert this representation of the dream into everything Cap was against is understandably going to rub people the wrong way. Cap isn't your average Superhero; he's basically Marvel's version of Superman in some respects, and anyone who loves Superman (as I finally did a few months ago when I had a goshdarned epiphany about him,) would probably feel the same way. (Though if you don't, than more power to you I guess.)
And on top of all of that, most who are ticked about this don't even really read the comics; they just read up on the important stuff while only bothering to watch the movies and TV shows. They aren't necessarily as in tune with just how comics actually work, and so as far as they're concerned, Cap is just a Nazi, because they don't know about comic cycles and the like. In most other media, a change is a change, and while there can still be twists and the like, I don't think there's going to be as many people suspecting that it's all one big brainwashing plot compared to your average comic-reading audience who's familiar with this sort of thing. Hence the vitriolic reactions and the death-threats.
So all in all, we have a mix of people who aren't that familiar with how comics work combined with those are upset at just the principle of the thing regardless of how it turns out, as well as all of this centering around a character equivalent to Superman in the ways that matter. Are they acting incredibility irrationally at all of this? Maybe. But who can blame them?'
Agreed. There are some characters who are bigger than the often crappy stories they appear in monthly. Superman is one. Captain America is another. Now, both characters have survived various indignities, but to do this, now, as Captain America is reaching maybe his largest pop culture moment doesn't make me want to read this Marvel comic to discover the tantalizing controversy; it confirms my belief that I was right to largely drop the entirety of my Marvel pull-list.
Quote from: Spade on May 26, 2016, 04:37:45 PM
On a similar note,this and Rebirth spoilers seem to be the only thing people are talking about.And I really wanted to discuss Spiderman/Deadpool. :(
I haven't read SP/DP yet, (cuz I was reading Rebirth, for one) but when I do I'd be all for discussing it. I still haven't decided if I'm going to pick up the fill-in issues coming up.
Quote from: Talavar on May 26, 2016, 04:43:07 PM
...but to do this, now, as Captain America is reaching maybe his largest pop culture moment doesn't make me want to read this Marvel comic to discover the tantalizing controversy; it confirms my belief that I was right to largely drop the entirety of my Marvel pull-list.
Same here, sort of. I'd actually stopped reading modern Big Two comics for a couple of years now due to a plethora of different issues, including too high a price for too little content, too many 'big' events, and too many crappy stunts like this. (Though I do dabble in Ms.Marvel from time to time. Good stuff.) I was actually thinking about getting back into modern comics though, just prior to this. It seemed that, with Rebirth on DC's side and the recent All New All Different Marvel on Marvel's side, maybe it was time to come back in... and then they pull this freaking stunt. I understand that it's probably not going to last, and that it's probably all one big hoax, but it's still another attempt at shock value to get more sales. That doesn't make me want to buy more comics; at best, it makes me want to switch over to indies only, and at worst, it makes me want to drop comics altogether. Just because it's a stunt instead of something permanent doesn't make me any less ticked. :thumbdown:
Quote from: Tomato on May 26, 2016, 02:26:40 AM
Didn't they do evil Alfred already? I'm pretty sure they turned him into a secret supervillain and he ended up dying a few decades ago, only for DC to retcon him back to life later on.
Yeah, there was an older story, an alternate universe version, and they revived the concept for Forever Evil.
QuoteThat being said, I'm not stressing this. Yes, it's a stupid marketing ploy, and I don't believe it for one hot second... but while Marvel is doing some crazy shenanigans, they're not THAT crazy. Captain America 3 made what, just shy of a billion? They're not going to do anything to permanently ruin the character, they're just playing around with it to tell some good stories... Eventually Cap's going to realize this is just brainwashing shenanigans, and he'll overcome it... because that is what he does.
And will the B-lister be coming back to life at the end of the story? Of course not. They rarely do these days.
I really want to see the entirely of Marvel's writers take on a challenge: NO character deaths for 5 years. If they're good, imaginative writers, who can find other ways of building stakes and tension (as so many other series, genres and mediums do), it should be easy.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on May 27, 2016, 07:13:08 AM
I really want to see the entirely of Marvel's writers take on a challenge: NO character deaths for 5 years. If they're good, imaginative writers, who can find other ways of building stakes and tension (as so many other series, genres and mediums do), it should be easy.
I'd be down for that. The problem with Marvel's 'musical deaths' setup is that they keep on killing off and bringing back characters so freaking often that, rather than feeling shocked and raising the stakes when someone gets killed off, you just shrug and to say to yourself, 'Meh.' Which is probably not the desired effect that most writers and companies would be aiming for.
Well,big characters.Spiderman was dead for a half a issue before hes back to life.It will take some time before somebody remembers to revive Jack Flag.
Which reminds me of
Spiderman/DeadpoolSpoiler
Mephisto
was behind everything?Or at least Mysterio was working for him.
So yeah, I just finished
Spider-Man/Deadpool. Really liked it, I've been quite pleased with the book.
Spoiler
I've enjoyed the use of Mysterio in the book. It really feels like Joe Kelly is trying to reconcile the current Quentin Beck with the take Peter David wrote in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man (which Slott ignored entirely; while it was never explicitly said in the book, Peter David confirmed in a Q&A on his website that Beck was in fact working for Mephisto, and the bio for Mysterio in the video game Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions, which Slott was the head writer on, listed him as a "demonic minion".
Mephisto cameo was awesome. I feel like this is the true Spider-Man book all Spidey fans frustrated about One More Day need to check out (someone needs to tell Linkara about it :D.) I'm just gonna say it: get Slott the frack off Amazing Spidey, replace him with Kelly, and have him do a follow up for One More Day, because he was awesome at it here, and this was just fanservice. I always thought Kelly was one of the better writers on Brand New Day anyway. I didn't realize how much I've missed him on Spidey.
I'm not entirely convinced Mephisto was who Beck was working for in the story. In the final scene, we see Patient Zero and there's an evil face in the windshield of the limo. I was wondering if that was supposed to represent Beck and he was working for Zero?
[edit] Here's a detail I had forgotten. Earlier in the series we saw Zero put some magic orb on the nightstand next to the bed Beck was comatose in. Then later on we see Beck's empty bed and the orb's still there. So I'm pretty sure Beck's in with Zero, but is Mephiso in with one or both of them?
The Madame Web cameo was neat. The Doc Ock cameo, less so. It fit in with the tone and the other cameos in that sequence, but it just reminds me how bullcrap it is that the creators and some fans consider SpOck a hero. There's also the fact that he's shown alongside Ben and Gwen, implying Peter's responsible for his death? Oh please.
While the first issue of this book had a lot of crude humor, this issue really seemed to double down on the pitch black humor (mind you, both are staples of Deadpool). We had Peter shot dead, resurrected, shot dead again, resurrected again, and Deadpool's kinky demon wife wanted to have an orgy with his dead body. I've got nothing against dark humor, especially in Deadpool, but when Peter's the butt of all the jokes it seems especially morbid. Still funny though.
And perhaps best of all, Deadpool calls Peter a philistine for only seeing the Harry Potter movies and not reading the books. The books are superior though.
Actually,is this related to Dead No More?
Spoiler
Is Patient Zero somehow related to Jackal?Assuming its Jackal,under the jackal mask.
Also,from the creators of "Is Wolverine still dead" and "Has DC done something stupid today" comes- Captain America Grammar Nazi:
http://captainamericagrammarnazi.com/ (http://captainamericagrammarnazi.com/)
^ Slott only knows, and he's laughing like the troll he is.
Spoiler
Joe Kelly lays on the "Peter is unfulfilled without his One True Pairing" thick, though that was what Mephisto said back in One More Day.
I choose to believe Kelly's a member of the OMD/BND "fan-haters" working on the inside. VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
As for the grammer Nazi thing: This is my favorite (http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/105/838/d0c.jpg)
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 26, 2016, 09:57:29 AM
Too later. Every source I've seen mentioning this ties it to the current Presidential election. Even though it has nothing to do with said election. I really don't see the parallels.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but you haven't seen the Red Skull's speech from Spencer's run have you?
Here's a hint: He's Not Bernie Sanders.
The one about immigration?Wasn't that more of a jab at Europe situation?
From what I've read people have differing interpretations on it but I just read the scene and I got a very deliberate Trump vibe. There's also a scene with the Sons of the Serpent where Falcon debates immigration policy with them instead of, you know, just beating them up and arresting them. Can't remember if it came out here but the Sons of the Serpents in his run ruffled a lot of feathers, despite them being well established villains and (from what I've seen) pretty in-character.
It's worth noting Bru's run also had a pretty infamous dig at the right wing, which actually got edited in the reprints.
I'm actually a bit torn on Spencer's Cap. On the one hand, from what I'm reading/hearing, it's very heavy handed on the political digs, and even when I agree with such references they can be a bit distracting in a superhero comic, but on the other hand, I'm of the opinion that his issues of Standoff were the best part of the storyline, and I've sworn by his Superior Foes and Ant-Man many times (mind you, they're both heist comedies and are pretty apolitical). Mind you, I still gotta read the rest of Bru's run, and Remender's....
[Edit]
Addendum 1. Tom "I Can't believe this man was the editor on Busiek's Avengers and Thunderbolts" Brevoort addressed the Cap controversy in this friday's CBR column (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/axel-in-charge-brevoort-talks-captain-americas-shocking-controversial-twist). Spoiler desu: he blames the audience for getting their panties in a bunch and having a knee-jerk reaction, and then dredges up two other "kerfluffles" from years ago both of which I felt Marvel handled poorly.
Addendum 2: Actually this is just as good a time as any to ask: does anyone else want to start a separate thread for the Cap thing? It might keep other topics like the Spidey/Deadpool discussion from getting lost in the wake.
Oh yeah,Fox News were ticked off about the Sons of the Serpent thing.Because,Fox News.Anyway,problem with political commentaries is that they dont age well.Just look at Futurama episode where they spoof 2012 elections.True,some thing became even more relevant with time,but not everything is American Flagg.
-Superior Spiderman isnt the best example for Brevoorts case.Seeing it was Marvels own promotional artwork that "confused" people.
(http://www.theouthousers.com/images/templates/galleries/ramaspiderpuss2.png)
IDK how they got the wrong idea. :blink:
So in his opinion,people haven't read the comic,they complain just because?By sending chain emails?
If people are cynical because they think this isnt going to last,who made them cynics in the first place?You reboot every six months. :rolleyes:
I know rite? I don't even have a problem with the constant reboots. Spencer's Ant Man is still Spencer's Ant-Man, it just has "Astonishing" on the front. And guess what, IMO it deserves it. The book rules.
Well, that was post-cancellation Futurama. In my opinion, it wasn't as good as the originals. On the other hand? The Simpsons episode where Sideshow Bob runs for mayor? That's still funny and a lot of it resonates as well if not better today.
That's the thing that pisses me off to no end. Brevoort, Wacker and Slott
to this day claim people didn't read the books. Yet they bicker online publicly with Rich Johnston, who posts all the juicy scans week after week. Not to mention scans_daily, CBR and Newsarama,
Marvel's own site, and over 9000 blogs.
We don't need to read the whole book to know what's in it, guys. I'm not currently buying or reading Amazing and I can tell you what the current arc is about. Welcome to the internet. You just posted a cover to the book. But as far as they're concerned it didn't happen. 2 + 2 = 5. There are FIVE lights. And there is no Kaiser Soyse.
Can you imagine if these guys were the ones who made Game of Thrones?
"Oh they don't even watch the show! That battle with Stannis' army totally happened on screen you guys!"On an unrelated note:
Here's a few more topics I've been meaning to post about:
1. Thunderbolts.
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Preview pages from Thunderbolts #2. Moonstone confirmed. Jim Zub, you've earned +1 point. And after issue one, you could probably use it. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/axel-in-charge-marvel-civil-war-dead-no-more-fcbd)
2. Uncanny Avengers.
So I've been meaning to post my thoughts on UA for a few months actually. The book IMO got a heck of a lot better at the end of the first arc, and has kept that momentum since, even if the plots took a break for Standoff.
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The Avengers declared a mission statement to catch Red Skull and get Xavier's brain back, though with Skull back in Cap's book I'm guessing failure is the only option for now. The art got better, with Stegman, who I don't really care for, replaced with Pacheco doing some of the best art I've seen from him in years.
But all of that is trumped by a big plot development that's been prominently shown in covers, solicits, previews and interviews by now: HANK PYM IS BACK! And he's not an a-hole anymore! Well, he's got a bit of a rough side, but he's also fun, and adventurous and acting like a superhero. I'm loving this. Suck it Remender!
3. Ant-Man
Only one thing need be said.
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Cassie Lang (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Cassandra_Lang_(Earth-616)) is (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Cassandra_Lang_(Earth-982)) Stinger (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Cassandra_Lang_(Earth-11051)) now! Hoo woo! :thumbup:
Funny that Brevoort only count the mails as fan reactions.I mean open Marvels facebook page or something.Like your own tumblr you so like.
Problem with Thunderbolts is with John Malin.Thou the story was pretty generic itself.I will give it 1-2 more issues and see if anything improves.
Noticed that Mercs for Money have a bit of MAX theme.If they ever change lineup,I think Destroyer would fit in.Or Fantomex,that would be cooler.If hes still alive.
The thing I find funny is that Marvel loves to reference and pander to internet culture and trends, but have failed to accept that message boards and social media have undeniably usurped letters pages as the place for fan feedback (even though some books, like ANAD Avengers and Ant-Man, still have them). It doesn't count. They once went to so far as to plaster pull quotes from various reviews on a Spider-Island ad, despite nearly every one of those reviews criticizing Carlie Cooper in the same reviews, something Marvel liked to dismiss as just negative fan haters who don't read the books. Years ago the message board on Marvel's own site banned people from posting about Quesada, OMD or even Mephisto himself. You weren't allowed to critisize the villain of the story, and no not his role in the story, the character himself. Isn't that just silly? See, their own site and the letters page are two much of an echo chamber (ironic, considering "Echo chamber" is one of Slott and Wacker's favorite go-to strawman arguments against the fan haters), though in fairness, it didn't used to be this way. The much derided Byrne and Mackie era of Spidey in the late 90s, considered one of the absolute low points, had letters saying they're too hard on poor Peter (who at the time was actually living on the street, though being Peter it was because he was too ashamed to crash at Aunt May's or a friend's) I remember a letter from Dan Jurgen's Thor: Lord of Asgard story line that absolutely bashed it, and even ANAD Avengers has letters deriding the "diverse" cast.
re: Thunderbolts: the solicits make it clear they'll still be battling newly hatched Inhumans by then, so I wouldn't bet on it improving by then unless Baron Zemo crashes the party again (or failing that, another character dressed as Zemo as a test, as seen in Parker's run).
Speaking of Mercs for Money, I saw in the August solicits that Negasonic Teenage Warhead, as in the girl sidekick from the movie, will be in the book. Since she's dead, and barely resembles the movie version, it might be a brand new one. Solicits tend to take a few months to actually reflect what's been in the book (see Uncanny Avengers) so I'm gonna have to keep my eye on that book to see exactly when she's gonna pop up. I'd love it if she turned up in Spider-Man/Deadpool, which wouldn't surprise me considering the Mercs for Money showed up in issue #2.
[edit] heh, according to Marvel Wikia: "Ellie's codename was so poorly received, that many fan sites put her name on the Worst Superhero Names category." So of course DP loved it. The creators for the movie flat out admitted they chose her because of the name (and no doubt because Fox would let them use her)
Im pretty sure movie NTW was meant to be Cannonball.Speaking of that-characters from Grant Morrisons New X-men.Why is Glob of all people still in X-men?Hes not that interesting.Outside of his crush on teen/Jean he has no characteristics what so ever.And Xorn resurfaced in Uncanny,I think.At least Quentin isnt around anymore.Small mercy.
Yeah, I read that about Cannonball. Quite a few characters were supposed to be characters who actually have a history with Deadpool but got changed. That's why we got the super-obscure mutant Angel Dust (Gina Carano's character). I actually really like Quentin Quire. He was one of my favorite parts of Aaron's Wolverine and the X-Men run which I really liked. I know it was an acquired taste though. The guy who runs my local comic shop hated it.
Now, Jason Latour's run, before I dropped the book? That was crap. And Quinton was not great in it.
Well,Quentin and Wolverines relationship was a highpoint.But it was pretty much the only thing in the book.So okay,he had some personality,but Glob?Why is he interesting?
Another thing i was sorta brainstorming recently,was POD meant to be Marvels answer to Rom?Now that they dont own Rom.
Heads up everybody. If you thought that Captain Hydra was bad enough, well, good for you, but Marvel obviously didn't think so. Marvel's put up a new poster for their upcoming second round of 'Marvel Now', but the curious thing is that the 'Now' is cracked, as if something has caused the MU to shatter. And as for what that would be, the poster apparently comes with the headline, 'You Thought You Knew the Whole Story.' All of which suggests that some sort of big fancy revelation coming up that might make Captain Hydra just the frosting on the cake, depending on just what exactly this all means. Mind you, it's a bit too early to really jump to conclusions, but I wouldn't past anything past Marvel these days.
Here's the link: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/01/everything-you-knew-about-the-marvel-universe-was-wrong/
Little did we all know, Red Onslaught created this new universe and it had nothing to do with Secret Wars!
It was all a ploy! Now, witness the crumbling of all your childhood heroes for the pleasure of the RED SKULL!!!
MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
The proof is all there! Take "Marvel NOW", change some of the letters and BOOM! You have "Red Skull!"
Also, I guess that Marvel really
didn't think that Captain Hydra was bad enough because the first issue of Civil War II's out, and according to people who've read it...
Spoiler
...both She-Hulk and War Machine/Rhodey are dead. With She-Hulk dying thanks to a missile to the boob. Something you would think that a Hulk could not only survive but also eat for breakfast. Classy Marvel.
MUAHAHAHA!!!
The Red Skull strikes again!!!
I think it will be revealed that Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, Larry Lieber, and Don Heck had nothing to do with creating the Marvel Universe. They have been retconned out of existence. So quit complaining that "comics aren't as good as they used to be" because those comics never existed.
Only NFL Superpro can save us now...
... from The Red Skull.
-Civil War thing- didnt that happen in FCBD prelude?The one that got leaked?
-I think your all reading a bit too much into Marvel Now teaser.Its just a photoshop template with an effect.And they reboot every 6 months,what could possibly be new this time?
-X-men '92 No More Vampires.So V-day?Nice that they use X-statix characters,anyway.
Maybe...
Wolverine isn't dead anymore!
Like that would suprise anyone. <_<
No, of course not. I should have said "Wolverine isn't dead anymore... again!"
My theory is that Magneto will pull him out of the statue just in time for Wolverine 3.
http://www.iswolverinestilldead.com/ (http://www.iswolverinestilldead.com/)
Yup,85 weeks now.
Anyway,its hard to get worked up over a reboot/relaunch/renumbering/something,when we barely started this reboot.Series that ship twice a month are at their,what, 13-14 issue?
Thunderbolts #2 Blood is brown.Even the colorist is phoning this one in.And the team had an encounter with Inhuman pods in Cage-bolts IIRC.Somewhat different line up,but somebody should remember( also hashtag bring Ghost back)?So my second point,similar to Ext X-men,everyone here has at least 5 in-universe years of experience.They should be a bit better at this.Actually,they spent a good deal of their career as a team.They should be bit better at whole team work thing.And speaking of Inhumans,guess who comes to dinner?
New Avengers #12 Looks like the CW2 here will be AIM vs Shield.With Maker having his own plans.Which would actually happen anyway.So I have to admit,Ewing can write around events.
Deadpool and Mercs #5 Interesting ending.Poor Highwayman.
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He only had 666 payments left for that truck.
From a story perspective,I dont see why this just couldnt continue with #6,instead of starting a new series.
Thunderbolts:
But doood, brown blood matches the nineties aesthetic. They're just being authentic! [devil horns] ;) Can't remember about the Cage-bolts run. Not saying you're wrong, I just don't remember; it's been a few years. I've realized the art looks like Marc Silvestri or Whilce Portacio. I hate the way he draws Kobik.
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I've had time to contextualize my thoughts on the writing too. I find the writer has condensed Atlas down to his least desirable qualities. I.E. he's brash, headstrong and kinda a jock/tool. None of these are out of character-per-se, but the better writers such as Busiek and Fabian imbued him with a little more depth. Moonstone's in line with her characterization since Ellisbolts, that is to see she's opportunist diva whose past character development is largely undone. And of course there's Fixer. Here's he still the jokey wisea$$ of the group, but he's neither the crude pervert of Fabian's run or the more "heroic" take Parker inexplicably wrote him as. Now you could say that it depends on what part of the timeline this Fixer is from since his death in Parkerbolts involved a time-loop, but if the writers aren't going to ever factor that in, why should I? Did Kobik will him back to life too? Because that's not the vibe Standoff gave off.
Speaking of which, why the crap were the T-Bolts in Pleasant Hill anyway? The recap says their "criminal pasts caught up with them" which is bullcrap since they worked for the government. Atlas, sure, since he helped Wonder Man attack the Avengers, but the others really shouldn't.
I also really dislike the way Kobik is written here compared to Standoff. There I found her a really neat clever idea with a lot of potential. Here she's an impulsive, staggeringly stupid brat. I can't imagine people warming up to her after what she did to Moonstone, unless they've got a really twisted sense of humor (and I don't mind dark humor, but I still thought that was stupid and kind of a lazy forced cliffhanger, as if the monster pods couldn't have filled the bill.
: All I've really got to say is that the art by Paco Madina is servicable, but not great. Characters in the background look a bit rough in the face area, making me think he didn't do his best work. I didn't think to check if his habit of upping the female character's bust sizes was present and accounted for though. :blink:
re:
Deadpool and Mercs: I dunno about story wise, but it's very rare for a Marvel mini to continue as a ongoing instead of having a followup ongoing starting at #1. Just about the only example I can think of is the Marvel Transformers series, and maybe the original Marvel Star Wars run. You could say with a mini they just focus on making a finite storyarc, whereas with an ongoing they might wanna get more ambitious and tell a longer, more elaborate yearn. But then it's Deadpool, he's had multiple books since 2009 or so and with the success of the movie I doubt that'll change.
The Highwayman from US.1 eh? Crazy. I always thought it was weird that U.S.1/U.S. 1 ended up getting the resurgence he did.
I know hes been an enemy of Ghost Rider during Jason Aarons run and thats pretty much all I know about Highwayman.
I didnt notice so much similarity with Silvestri or Portacio,but Im sure its not a coincidence,seeing Malin learned the trade at Image.
On the other hand,I would really like to know how Marvel higher up assign writing and art duties.Is there a dartboard involved?
And I dint really get how they ended up at Pleasant hill either.Fixer was working there,I think.Abe also,I guess.Thou I have no idea how Moonstone got there.I lost track of her after Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts.But universe got rebooted so who knows what changed.
And something I sorta touched in a different thread-Steve Dillon on Punisher.Judging by #2,it looks to be a serious story about super drugs.And Dillon isnt really a great man for the job.It worked with Garth Ennis,but doesnt really function here.
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/400/0/1/ConspiracyGifsection-c5b3e.jpg)
So all previous adds were a lie?The adds got rebooted?
Also,notice the same font as Clone Saga era Spider books.And its the 20'th anniversary.
The Red Skull brainwashed Peter Parker into thinking he is the clone, and now it will be revealed that the whole Clone Saga was a fake. "Ben Reilly" is actually Peter and "Peter" is actually Ben (again). Tony Stark is an LMD and has been for years. The Skull has replaced most of the super heroes with brainwashed clones. We'll figure it out when all the Marvel big guns start saying "Hail Hydra". The Avengers will sit around for a few issues and discuss how cool it is to work for The Boys in Green. The FF comes back and we discover that Reed is actually a clone of Victor Von Doom, who isn't really Dr. Doom. Doom is actually Mephisto. Magneto is actually Lucifer. Dr. Druid is actually an Asian (or at least he looks like one). Pepper Potts and Mary Jane are actually sisters of Medusa. The Mandarin is actually a character Marvel no longer has the right to, and Shang Chi moves to the attack. All the X-Men who are dead aren't really dead again. Woodgod never happened.
It's up to NFL Superpro and Squirrel Girl to save the Marvel Universe, with an able assist from U.S. 1, Chuck Norris and his Karate Commandos, Planet Terry, and Wally the Wizard.
Okay, okay, I'll try not to do this again.
I've been told (not by anyone here), that I can't complain because I don't read mainstream comics anymore, but, I ask you, why should I when stuff like this keeps happening?
Actually.Peter being outed as a clone all along,is pretty much everyone's theory.
Marvel universe will never be the same again.Or at least you know,for the next 3-6 months.
Quote from: daglob on June 15, 2016, 03:44:12 PM
I've been told (not by anyone here), that I can't complain because I don't read mainstream comics anymore, but, I ask you, why should I when stuff like this keeps happening?
Exactly. Maybe we'd read more modern comics if they didn't keep pulling crap like this, but they do. As far as I'm concerned, if they're going to frick up the place, then I'm not even going to bother with it.
Well,the situatuon isnt that bad outside Marvel and DC.Its just that they are the most exposed.
Deadpool #14 "Are we getting rebooted again?"Because the sky was red.Get it?And Cable is here.Just like the previous Civil War.Not gonna spoil it for anyone,but its a funny situation.
Quote from: Spade on June 14, 2016, 12:37:48 PM
Fixer was working there,I think.Abe also,I guess.Thou I have no idea how Moonstone got there.I lost track of her after Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts.But universe got rebooted so who knows what changed.
I actually finished reading Parker's Dark Avengers recently. After time-travelling shenanigans Moonstone ended up with Carol Danvers Captain Marvel costume (inexplicably didn't change back by the end of the book) when seemingly killed Al Apeac by stepping on him (he was tiny for reasons I can't remember) without anyone noticing.
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The problem with Fixer was he was in fact imprisoned with the others. Remember the big reveal at the end of the first Standoff one shot with him and Zemo? Since the recap for TBolts claims their criminal past caught up with them, the only reason I can think of is because he was slipping away to help Zemo during Parker's run and Zemo's appearances in Brubaker's Cap, which was happening at the same time. The actual reason is course, is the writers just wanted to have the T-Bolts there and weren't too concerned with the why and hows. Yet they made a point of having Abe as a staff member there instead of a prisoner. Whatever.
^IIRC,he also did some freelancing in Cable an Deadpool.
Maybe the pool paintings got him arrested? XD
About Moonstone-Im still missing the time between Dark Avengers and Standoff.Did she resurface in Captain Marvel,maybe?
I actually looked up Moonstone when I finished Dark Avengers. Apparently she didn't appear at all until now.
At best-mismatched.IDK who had the idea of teaming up a D&D writer with a Liefeld wannabe artist and expected good results.Just imagine Thunderbolts by Mark Waid and Mark Bagley.But like,in a perfect world.
About Standoff,did new Quasar show up anywhere?Did that have a point anyway?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/16/civil-war-the-fallen-to-get-a-jack-kirby-variant-cover/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/16/civil-war-the-fallen-to-get-a-jack-kirby-variant-cover/)
Rich has a theory that Hulk will die in CW2.His first theory was that Mary Jane will die.If you list everyone,you have to be right.
Quote from: Spade on June 17, 2016, 09:32:47 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/16/civil-war-the-fallen-to-get-a-jack-kirby-variant-cover/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/16/civil-war-the-fallen-to-get-a-jack-kirby-variant-cover/)
Rich has a theory that Hulk will die in CW2.His first theory was that Mary Jane will die.If you list everyone,you have to be right.
Like I said before, clickbait merchant. All his articles might as well read: "10 poorly-reported controversies that guarantee me hits! #9 will shock you!" With the obligatory misleading thumbnail.
Yeah, Mark Waid and Bagley on T-Bolts needs to just happen.
Speaking of which I forgot to mention Ghost has actually been appearing in Slott's Spidey man. Don't look at me like that, last I checked he's fine in it. Hopefully Slott won't kill him to put another notch on his belt and establish his run matters + stakes are high for realz yo desu ka.
Maybe when Slott finally gets canned for insulting his audience too many times and Zub and Malin get fired for sucking we'll get a better team on T-Bolts and Ghost will glide on over to there.
Not yet. That hasn't come up again. Considering a lot of people found that debut a little half-a$$ed and cliched, maybe they're holding off? I will see, I'm not a fan of the whole "let's have a established character pop up out of nowhere then make up a bunch of b.s. that was not in play last time for the sake of our current story whims" The bigger surprise is that it
wasn't written by Bendis.
Speaking of which.....
Guardians of the Galaxy:
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So after darn near a year we finallyget an explanation as to why Kitty and Gamora lost their Black Vortex powers. They fade over time, and in the case of Gamora, she was saving it so she could raise her power level later on Dragon Ball Z style. That isn't even her final form! :rolleyes:
Also, since I brought this up earlier in the thread: memo to Bendis: making up bullcrap a year + down the line to answer long-running questions fans had and playing it up as a big reveal is not a suitable excuse for "I'm too lazy and didn't want to fit it in".
Also we finally find out who the prisoner the Guardians have been trying to rescue for the last few issues is, and it's....Angela. Guldarnit. Admittedly, I'd have known that ahead of time if I actually remember anytime about GotG between issues at this point but they really did have me hoping that it was going to be a Guardians character people actually like and care about, like Mantis. Marvel, stop trying to make Angela happen.
Yeah,Hulk will die,no wait MJ,no Jean Grey,wait shes dead already,yeah Elf with a Gun,lets go with that...
Since Wendell shows up in Standoff only to pass on his powers,I assumed thats gonna go somewhere.If you introduce a new character,do something with them,I guess?
Bendis is still on GotG?That puts him at what,12-13 monthly titles?
Noob question,is this still the same Angela from Spawn?Who somehow made a jump to Marvel universe and is now Thors halfsister?Am I close?
And to return to earlier Steve Rogers,Agent of Hydra thing-meta irony sets in that it was out on the same day as DC Rebirth,so it ended up making Johns-es case about modern comics.
Yeah, same Angela. The only thing I'm not clear about is if Angela has the Image history/memories and honestly I don't care. Like with Rom Marvel will have to keep vague about it anyway.
What point was that? The modern "darken-ing" of comics? Cuz Marvel's been supplying that since at least the original Civil War. Not in short supply at all. Plus John's been accused of being hypocritical about that point more than once as it is. I saw one amusing comment online, where someone said, while reading Rebirth, they had to stop every 2 minutes to say "and whose fault was that, Johns?" And I don't rag on Johns, cuz I like his work, but the guy ain't wrong (though I'd probably point the blame squarely on Didio, who doesn't even have the good stories to back it up)
I said pretty much the same thing about Rebirth myself,that Johns and his 3 buddies at DC editorial share a lot of blame for darkening.(And all the fault for New 52.)DC actually has some 2 years on Marvel there.Identity Crisis and that.Which now got retconed anyway according to Secret Six.But thats for the DC thread.
Just sorta ironic that a pretty dark twist happens on the same day Rebirth tries to "brighten" stuff at DC.We are not so dark as the competition.Or something.
Also,the twist isnt that original(or that plausible btw),considering Spiderwoman also worked for Hydra.Or was that the Skrull Queen?Its Bendis. <_<
And Wolverine was also brainwashed by them during Enemy of the State.Notably he kills Northstar then.But he didnt kill anyone important,right?In his own words.
I'm sure that was a great condolence to Hornet's teammates from Slingers. :thumbdown:
It was Mark Millar,so...yeah...
Wolverine: You killed Professor X!
Cyclops: You killed thousands!
W: Well,I didnt kill anyone important.
Thats the actual dialogue from Jason Aaron.No wonder people hated Wolverine.
On the other hand,killing heroes to prove villains are "for real,yo" is kind of a norm at Marvel.Like the entire Alpha Flight,just to prop up The Collective/Xorn.Or Jack Flag,in the most recent case.
The competition isnt all that better either.Looking at you Venditti and your future/Flash.
Ok, seriously, EVERY instance of that debate in the X-Men comics was cringe-inducing. Particularly the "Last Will of Xavier" arc by Bendis were Cyclops and Wolverine interrupted the plot to get into it again, someone made a smart-alek remark resulting in Cyclops blowing a hole through the window AGAIN (see Astonishing X-Men #1), and they called out on it by the other X-Men themselves, who were as sick of it as the readers by that point. I understand there was a personal element at work, but these two leader figures were reduced to petulant children (admittedly, almost everybody in Bendis world has a tendency to act more childish than they should)
The reason why I so heavily criticize the C-list cannon fodder trope is not just because it's cliche and predictable at this point, nor exploitative and manipulative, nor that it takes characters people might want to read about or that you could re-energize (*cough Squirrel Girl*, *cough* Deadpool*)off the board, but that I hear both fans and writers talk about the art of the story, yet 99.99% of these stories barely even acknowledged who these characters are, let alone why we should care or why people liked them in the first place. Some don't even bother to identify the characters onscreen. See also the character assassination of Hank Pym in Rage of Ultron (which is currently being repaired in Uncanny Avengers). We only value Hank because of OTHER STORIES that came before, not what we're presented with in the new story.
This is why I almost always give an enthusiastic pass to the same trope in other media. Particularly when they were born of the exact same singular series. You won't see me complain about a death in Game of Thrones like I do here. Ditto say, the manga series FullMetal Alchemist, or the anime Fate/Zero, or heck, even Naruto. They build up the character, so we do care what happens to them. You know, like a good story. Good movies, including ones based on Marvel properties, tend to do this too. (some better than others of course. *cough Cyclops in X3*)
Oh don't get me wrong. I like Johns a lot, but he does that crap in darn near every story he writes, especially the event books. Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters in Infinite Crisis, EVERYONE who got it from Superboy Prime, the obscure Doom Patrol members in Forever Evil. Once again, I give him a pass specifically because the stories are in fact good.
Well,Superboy Prime ripping off somebodies arm and beating them to death with it tended to happen a lot.
Character deaths are one thing,but if its just for Worf Effect,its pretty pointless.Once again-Bendis.We get that Sentry is Superman,he didnt have to rip up Carnage (in orbit)for readers to figure that out.Excessive?
Considering who they leaders were in the Marvel Now era,Im surprised mutants still exist.See Cable and X-force.Or call-me-Alex speech.
Also,CW2 related,Tony is attacking Attilan?So its only bad when Cyclops does it?
Considering how much Marvel's shilling the Inhumans, I'd root for Tony. If you have to kill anybody, kill the Inhumans. Except the ones I like, of course. ;)
Bendis with Carnage is a perfect example. When he was writing the Venom arc of the original Ultimate Spider-Man arc (which was actually really good, except for that atrocious pacing he's known for), he was asked in an interview if he'd ever do Carnage. His answer was telling: "No. Carnage is crap." Fast forward later to the Carnage arc of USM, and he does Carnage (and Bagley being Bagley, does a bang up job drawing him), but completely changes the character's backstory and premise. Fast forward again to New Avengers, and Carnage appears strictly so Bendis can kill him, perplexingly, without any sign of the human host within the Carnage body; something that got explored years later. And yes, I realize I have a double standard, since that counts as the same thing I complained about earlier. The difference is it was an author's saving throw. The writer, Zeb Wells if I recall, was undoing it and revitalizing Carnage. Now several non-stop minis later, he has his own ongoing series. Mission accomplished.
I think everybody roots for Tony at this point.
Ultimate Spiderman was good,and Daredevil by Bendis was pretty good.Truble started with Avengers.Then spread to X-men and GotG and basically everything else.I guess its more the fault of Marvel editorial for not realizing what his strengths are.
And speaking of Spiderman:
(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/dnm-600x915.jpg)
Begun the Clone wars,have.You know the drill by now-massive,game changing,nothing will ever be the same,yada-yada,Clone Saga 2 and so on.
And the guy with the jackal mask-THE JACKAL.Mindblowing,I know.
Here is how Dan Slott describes it:
We live in a day and age of comics where you're always seeing another important death. 'Here's someone who dies!' We're subverting all of that. Here's people coming back.
QuoteWe live in a day and age of comics where you're always seeing another important death. 'Here's someone who dies!'
And whose fault is that, Slott?
QuoteWe're subverting all of that. Here's people coming back.
Blackest Day did that over 5 years ago. Premise has potential, but I don't expect something satisfying from Slott. I doubt believe he'll bring back any of the characters I'd like to see come back (aka the ones that never should have been killed off in the first place) and even if he did I doubt it'll stick. Slott likes to talk in interviews of the "Monkey's Paw" ("be careful what you wish for") he plays off and exploits fan's expectations. In short, he be trolling.
Also, why the crap is he doing a mini outside the main book? Slott can barely get his regular ongoing out on time on a regular basis since he wastes time online arguing with fans. Maybe he's coasting on the fact that Cheung's doing it so it'll come out late no matter what and it'll get a free pass because of that.
A previous teaser showed everyone who died in Spider-books.Its on a page or two back.
Spider Island already revisited Clone Saga,so this is sorta like Clone Saga 3.Or Spider Island 2?
Also Necrosha did a similar thing like Blackest Night.And contrary to Slotts opinion,people coming back to life isnt that groundbreaking.
(http://media.comicbook.com/2016/03/dead-no-more-top-174838.jpg)
This is the teaser I was talking about.
Unrelated,CW2 will have Jack Kirby variant covers.Hmm,that isnt exactly right after everything Marvel did to Kirby and his legacy.
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/204647/nazi-captain-america?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=post&utm_content=The%20New%20Nazi%20Captain%20America%20Is%20the%20Hero%20That%20Bigoted%20Comic%20Book%20Fans%20Deserve&utm_campaign=june2016
Interesting take on the Captain America thing I came across via Tumblr. I'm not sure how to feel about this, tbh... On the one hand, if this was the reason for it, I do absolutely get it. On the other... I feel like a character should transcend the pettiness of the fandom. Personally, I like both "Red, White and Black" AND "Captain America: Sam Wilson"... one for adding to the lore of the Captain America mythos, and the other for giving a Cap's long standing partner his due.
See, that's an interesting take...but my problem with it, kind of ties in your comment about the character transcending the fandom. Until now I actually had never heard that people thought of McDuffie's JLA run as a "black people book" I just enjoyed it as a Justice League book with characters and villains ect. that interested me. I had no idea there was backlash to Sam Jackson being the likeness to Nick Fury (though I remember thinking it a pretty funny example of the Ultimate line changing stuff from what you recognized as it went). And I haven't really thought about "The Truth: Red, White and Black" in a long time (though it helps that one of the Young Avengers has a connection to that story) but I didn't really remember how much of a backlash there was to that. Anyway, what I mean to say I feel like sabotaging the character and the direction of the book (if you were to call it sabotaging, I suppose) to spite a group of people who complained is kinda unfair to everybody else who just wanna read their Captain America. Keep in mind, I have no problem with Sam as Cap. I think it's cool and I've enjoyed him in the books I've read (such as ALL New Avengers). I do want to read the current run at some point. But I'd also want to read the Steve book. I'd want to read both. So I feel like that's kinda unfair to me. Selfish I suppose, but I think that's how I feel. I feel like, with all the political digs that are apparently in Spencer's run, they could have found a different way to get that point/theme across, without mucking around with the character.
As for people who won't get it, well, from what I've seen, Spencer's run isn't very subtle about the political digs, so I imagine the commentary will be clear in the book. After, the meta message of DC's Rebirth was loud and clear.
Throwing everybody who doesn't like the reveal in with the bigots is unfair too. I seriously doubt the people calling it disrespectful to the Jewish creators are the same people complaining about Sam. Other people just don't like seeing a hero turn heel, especially in the modern stunt-driven market Marvel's become.
On the other hand, we don't know how it's going to end, though people have their theories. The final story could be really rad and make sense. I do remember there was a backlash about bringing back Bucky as the Winter Soldier, and that ended up being one of the best storylines they ever did, and I really the character (or the version of that character I suppose) we got out of it.
Its a tumbler rant...so...
That being said.just like everything-This is going to be forgotten by the time next writer takes over.After that it will take its place on a figurative shelf next to Clone Saga and The Crossing and be mentioned only by bad comic book reviewers.So why make a fuss about it,in any case?
Actually the article wasn't from Tumblr. Tomato just said he saw it linked to or posted from Tumblr.
The body type of the guy in the Anubis mask looks more like Norman Osborne than Miles Warren. Of course, with different artists, anything is possible.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on June 19, 2016, 12:48:24 AM
Actually the article wasn't from Tumblr. Tomato just said it saw it link to or posted or Tumblr.
Anyway,it wasnt exactly balanced.Since it kinda paints all Marvel detractors as one monolithical,monochrome group.Then links them to Gamersgate and KKK.
Thou,the readership is a lot smaller and way more flamable then it was,say,20 years ago.And they have the internet now.
I still cant remember people raging over Nick Fury or mentioned JLA run.I cant even remember people raging over Josiah X.
Again,lets not give Spencer more credit then he deserves.DC was doing a not-reboot that day and Marvel just did something to compeate with that.Thou why to they bother compeating with somebody way below them in sales is beyond me.Its not a political/social/racial commentary.Its a gimmick to sell new issue #1.Same as a variant cover.
Also,remember that Hydra brainwashes people.See Wolverine example.Implanting fake memories probably isnt a big deal.And there is the 50's Steve.
Yep, I didn't appreciate the Gamer Gate dig myself but I didn't bring it up in the final post because some people online (on other forums ect) get upset if you bring up such things. The irony is the Gamer Gate movement has well-meaning people associated with it who get lumped in with the trolls and jerks who make everyone else look bad. The other side gets it bad too, really. Same thing with people who don't like the new Ghostbusters. I read a fantastic Tumblr post the other day from a female Ghostbusters fan who found the strawman tactics just as obnoxious as many of us dudes do.
I was rolling my eyes with this Cap thing when it first came out (#2 isn't even out yet, is it? I haven't checked) but honestly with the passage of time my opinion has changed a bit and I'm not sure what to think.
QuoteAgain,lets not give Spencer more credit then he deserves.DC was doing a not-reboot that day and Marvel just did something to compeate with that.Thou why to they bother compeating with somebody way below them in sales is beyond me.Its not a political/social/racial commentary.Its a gimmick to sell new issue #1.Same as a variant cover.
Eh, I don't know if I agree with that honestly. The thing is, that's one week with the DC book. After that, you have to
keep writing this controversial storyline for at least a few months. That's a pretty bold story to be writing and flak to get (though I'm not even sure Marvel cares after all these years) for the wrong reasons, and Spencer IS a outspoken liberal (not hating, I'm one too) and the political references in the run are decidedly left-wing. Did Marvel actually know the book would launch alongside Rebirth all along? I don't actually know.
Now, going back to that article, it mentions Marvel's editor-in-chief (which would have been Quesada at the time) saying the backlash was nothing but a bunch of bigots when an argument was raised about the continuity (I seem to recall I was wondering about the continuity myself back in the day when I heard about the story). That's equally as disingenuous and manipulative as anything Tom Breevort has to say these days (mind you, I don't think I have to convince comic fans that Quesada of all people is a jerk).
On the topic of Spidey, I'm seeing articles that say that a follow up to One More Day may be in the works. Even ignoring the stuff we discussed earlier, there's quite a few references to it in a recent Amazing Spider-Man, something they usually avoid doing for no reason. I'm actually surprised there haven't been way more discussion of this online. I guess it's just been so long that a lot of people have moved on to other things and I think there's a good chance a lot of the people who are currently reading Amazing don't really care about One More Day anyway or prefer a non-married Spidey anyway.That being said, CBR took the opportunity to run another poll about whether Peter and MJ should be married and last I checked the pro-marriage side won by a massive landslide. Pretty good considering the massive glut of Slott/Wacker sycophants that CBR's community has been full of for years.
But with such an opening,maybe people will buy #2?
Like I said,its going to be forgotten anyway soon.Dream,Hoax,Imaginary Story,Body snatchers from dimension X...
Im not following Spencers run(I did caught up with his Ant-man,thou,fun stuff) and I dont care much for politics anyway.Or for Red Skull VS Immigration.
American Flagg,Judge Dredd America-now those were political commentaries worth reading.Pretty much only ones worth reading.
You ever read V for Vendetta? I loved the movie, but I've heard the comic was a lot better. Unfortunately, I never finished it (and the parts I did read, which was about the first issue or two, was almost exactly the same as the movie). Of course, now the mask is know more for the internet group anonymous, but that might actually work in V's favor, since he was always a terrorist and an anarchist to begin with.
Still havent so I cant judge.I heard Alan Moore hated the movie.Knowing him,kinda expected.
According to a google search,only reason Angela is in Marvel universe is because Neil Gaiman wanted to troll Todd Mcfarlane.She wasnt exactly interesting in Spawn to begin with.
Btw,is Thing now with the GotG?At this point Im not sure who benefits from Wolverine publicity there,The Thing or Guardians.
Yeah, but it's Alan Moore. I'm not sure it's possible to make an adaptation of his work he'd approve of. Even the much quoted JLU "Man Who Has Everything" urban legend was debunked.
The main difference between the movie and the comic as I understand it is that the movie's reworked to be a take that at the George Bush war on terror, while in the comic (published in a U.K. magazine originally in the 80's) it was a take that at Margaret Thatcher whose policies I know pretty much nothing about. I think if the comic's really good, and it was good enough to make into a really good movie, then that stuff will resonate regardless.
Watchman I thoroughly enjoyed. The changes were a bit of a disappointment (no jumping out of the fridge = epic fail; the bone crunching thing was kinda juvenile and nonsensical), but it was very faithful otherwise in a way no comic book movie is (you'd have to go to a Lord of the Rings or a YA novel series for something comparable).
As for Thing? He sure is. You must have forgotten when you quoted Bendis as saying he wanted "Jews in space".
Guardians is a weird book post Secret Wars. It feels WAY lower profile, like it's just quietly doing its thing and everybody (including me reading it) kinda ignores it and forgets it even exists. I always seem to forget where it left off between issues due to a lack of investment. Compare that to last year when we had the Black Vortex crossover.
But it's got nothing on Nova, whose main plot got stolen by All New All Different Avengers (there's a scene that's in both books, but otherwise Nova gets sidetracked for what I only assume is filler pointlessness for the Civil War II tie-in). I'm kinda expecting Nova to get cancelled in a year or so at this point.
His words,not mine.Like I said,I have a lot going on these days,so forgive me If I forget something.Just hundreds of things I have to think about.Life,what can I say.
Adding Iron Man,Venom and Captain Marvel was a bit of an overkill the last time.Post 2008 Tony took Wolverines job of appearing in every comic,I guess.
Johnny is with the Inhumans IIRC.So is Beast.How doesn't that kill him,actually?
I think V is not a super soldier in the comic.Or something along those line.Speaking of Thatcher policies and it commentaries,you should see Jaime Delano's Hellblazer.(Thou,bankers being demons is a pretty timeless thing.)Also,government is hunting hippies,to feed fear to some elder entity.
Well, as much as I'd like to take shots at the Inhumans, I've got to concede that as I understand it from reading comics it's the Terragen Mist exposure from Inhumanity that affected the mutants. I don't think being near the Inhumans themselves actually hurts them more or anything (could be totally wrong though). There's also the idea of "well, I'm already sterilized and poisoned, so I'm already screwed" and as petty as Beast has been in the last few years of comics, he is a man of science who believes in the betterment of mankind, as well as a superhero, so I can totally buy him trying to help find a cure, even at the risk of his own life.
Speaking of X-Men, I read that Emplate is appearing in the Uncanny X-Men book. That's kinda neat. My knowledge of him and the Generation X book from the 90s is rather poor, but he was in X-Men Legacy by Mike Carey and I liked him there. One of the only times I liked Daniel Acuna's art as the horror movie vibe and Emplate's grotesque design fit the aesthetics of his art.
It is left uncertain if V is a "super soldier" in the comic. There is a scene that implies that he is blind, comments on his being inhumanly dexterous, a couple of panels showing his mental alterations during treatment; things like that.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on June 19, 2016, 02:40:01 PM
Well, as much as I'd like to take shots at the Inhumans, I've got to concede that as I understand it from reading comics it's the Terragen Mist exposure from Inhumanity that affected the mutants. I don't think being near the Inhumans themselves actually hurts them more or anything (could be totally wrong though). There's also the idea of "well, I'm already sterilized and poisoned, so I'm already screwed" and as petty as Beast has been in the last few years of comics, he is a man of science who believes in the betterment of mankind, as well as a superhero, so I can totally buy him trying to help find a cure, even at the risk of his own life.
Speaking of X-Men, I read that Emplate is appearing in the Uncanny X-Men book. That's kinda neat. My knowledge of him and the Generation X book from the 90s is rather poor, but he was in X-Men Legacy by Mike Carey and I liked him there. One of the only times I liked Daniel Acuna's art as the horror movie vibe and Emplate's grotesque design fit the aesthetics of his art.
Which reminds me,the whole Illuminati thing seems to be forgotten.
Im not sure being close to the source of Terrigen Mists actually helps his health.Oh well,Death of X is probably gonna kill every mutant anyway.
X-men: Crisis of Infinite Movie Rights.Im positive I mentioned this before(really sorry for repeating myself),but X-Factor?Quicksilver and other mutants actually getting powers from Terrigen mists?And the same mist mutating regular people(not in a good way) in Thunderbolts?I know it was just a handy gimmick,but still its a bit confusing.
I have to stop talking about Inhumans soon.
Oh man, I totally forgot about that Quicksilver stuff. Weird how that works. I should mention Pietro didn't explicitly get his powers back from the Terrigen mists? I was a little vague about it. Peter David (the writer of X-Factor) had an interesting answer though. When someone asked him about it in a Q&A on his site, he said he saw it as God giving Pietro his powers back because he forgive him his sins, and that seemed as good an explanation to him as any. According to the Marvel wiki, a hallucination he had while in prison told him the Terrigen mists had "ran their course" in his body. I haven't read the comic myself in years, so my memory of it is kind of poor.
I wanted to stop talking about Inhumans,but I see Thunderbolts #3 is Thunderbolts VS ALL-NEW(new new new new new) Inhumans.Looks like Marvel just wont give me a break.I should probably just cut my loses right now.
I saw the poll at CBR.Its around 90% to 10% in favor of the marriage.Who knew?
Mephisto does seem to be taking a more active approach towards Spidey judging by Spiderman and Deadpool.I already talked about that.
Well Thunderbolts #2 (like #1 before) ends on a direct cliffhanger. Not sure what you were expecting. I do think it's complete bullcrap is Marvel's gotta shove these guys into the book from the outset without giving the team (both the creative team and the roster of characters) a single arc to themselves to establish a tone and direction. I dunno. Maybe Marvel considers the Inhumans showing up a sales stunt. Maybe the Inhumans books actually sell well (though considering they put guys like Steve flippin' McNiven on them...). Don't know, don't care. The Inhumans have TWO ongoings PLUS Civil War II, PLUS Uncanny Avengers. What the heck are they doing in Thunderbolts? They might as well have Malin draw Tom Breevort giving you the finger on the cover. *lol* Actually, that's pretty funny. Now I actually want to see someone make a mock-up cover that's basically that.
It would be nice if something could be resolved by talking in the Marvel universe.Or Black Bolt could learn sign language and thus eliminate 70% of conflicts here.
I never seen anyone talk about the Inhuman titles,so does anyone read them at all?
McNiven is an odd choice for any title.I understood something like Old Man Logan,but New Avengers?Thou considering Howard Chaykin also did 1-2 issues there...
Recent events(pun not intended) reminded me that I miss Fabian Nicieza at Marvel.
Fabian,he is our god.-Quantum and Woody
Yeah, funny thing about - not sure if you were serious - Black Bolt already knows sign language. He's used it in the comics featuring the "Illuminati".
Well, you see it wouldn't matter if they did talk about them. Because as we all know, those people talking on the internet don't even read the books. :rolleyes:
Hey, Fabian did Deadpool/Cable Split Second less than a year ago at Marvel, so at least there's that.
I was just kidding on that part.Solved by talking,but he doesn't talk so...never mind :)
Yes,but where are the chain emails to Marvel?Thats how people express their opinion,right?
But for a group with such a big presence,they have a pretty small presence,if you get my point.
And it managed to work in even their first encounter.It was pretty good.And there was the Age of Apocalypse tie-in to Secret War.Also good.We talked about that.Adam X(aka Burner) was the third Summers brother.
Btw,look like the other Mercs want to leave Deadpool and work for Cable.Whos not really open to the idea.Or he wants them to think that.
We know Deadpool 2 will include Cable(unless that was just trolling),so Im sure there will be a series to match it.
I see Nick Spencer has been going crazy on twitter this morning.Fully expect Captain Britain to reveal himself as an agent of Hydra pretty soon. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Spade on June 24, 2016, 10:12:20 AM
I see Nick Spencer has been going crazy on twitter this morning.Fully expect Captain Britain to reveal himself as an agent of Hydra pretty soon. :rolleyes:
Just as I predicted; everybody is a Hydra Agent.
Seeing the current track record at Marvel,BrExit will hardly go uncommented.And it will just as hamfisted as everything they commented upon.So lets just have Red Skull rant it out,Have Excalibur kill Euroforce or something and get it over with.
Wonder what 2000AD will have to say... :)
Quote from: Spade on June 24, 2016, 03:58:25 PM
Seeing the current track record at Marvel,BrExit will hardly go uncommented.And it will just as hamfisted as everything they commented upon.So lets just have Red Skull rant it out,Have Excalibur kill Euroforce or something and get it over with.
Wonder what 2000AD will have to say... :)
"I
AM the Law."
(http://www.theouthousers.com/images/jce/sdsichero/2016/06/marvelnowpuzzlecomplete.jpg)
A teaser for Marvel Now(2?)
Weird gathering.
Jeez, my Marvel knowledge is getting out of date. I don't know who a lot of those characters even are, especially on the right.
^You are not the only one.
So Doctor Doom VS new War Machine?I assume thats a new War Machine.Older heroes VS newer?
According to some rumors,Foolkiller and Slapstick are getting solo series,so I can see why they are here.
I know some of you will hate me for this,but stop trying to make America Chavez happen,Marvel.Its not gonna happen.
Wait, is Misty Knight the new War Machine? :huh:
Who's the big guy in the back, Fin Fang Foom?
Giant green foot?I have no idea.
And I guess Phat took over as Miss Marvel?
Another thing thats not going to be a thing-Gwenpool.Give it up Marvel.
No offense to their fans,but I just dont care about the new generation of heroes.In the current forms I hardly care about the old ones either.
Miss Marvel's always had the power to change the size of her body. At least in all the stuff I've read with her in it.
New Avengers is being relaunched as U.S. Avengers, still by Al Ewing and Paco Medina, starring Sunspot, Cannonball, Squirrel Girl, Tony Ho as the new Iron Patriot, Red Hulk, Pod, and the Dani Cage Captain America from the future. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-gets-patriotic-with-usavengers-series-from-ewing-medina)
Cuz I've been thinking "I like Ewing's New Avengers, but you know what I want to read? A version without Hulkling, Wiccan, and Songbird."
It's especially weird considering Squirrel Girl's still on the team. If Hulkling and Wiccan end up in a Young Avengers book, then I'd consider that a good thing. You could also get Songbird in the new Thunderbolts. Speaking of which:
There was an interview with Jim Zub about Thunderbolts, and he said he'll be playing off Captain America: Steve Rogers, and also the Thunderbolts will run into the Squadron Supreme and Miles Morales. I can dig that; certainly better than the Inhumans. Plus, the T-Bolts have tangled with a version of the Squadron before.
JK on that part ofc.Thou they should bring Phat back.
US Agents?I just started liking the New Avengers.There goes that.
From the letters page,I got the feeling Zub(and readers) are more concerned about shiping Steve and Bucky then about Thunderbolts as such.Why isnt this just a Winter Soldier book?And why is Kobik even here?
Maybe Miles joins as a reference to Jolt and/or Charcoal.Which was kind of an unfortunate name,come to think of it.
(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/image.jpeg)
Another line of teasers,futuring younger heroes quiting.Readers expected to follow suit.
Saw the Previews;Bucky is trying to kill Miles.Because?
And Warrior Woman want to revive Namor.Well it was a matter of time,I guess.
Quote from: Spade on July 02, 2016, 06:02:41 PM
Another line of teasers,futuring younger heroes quiting.Readers expected to follow suit.
Oh, I already have. ;)
Yeah,a lot of people said the same.Im pretty much in the process of quiting myself.
Amoung thousands of comments like "me too" and "already did" there was "I quit if Miss Marvel isnt in Iron Man 4".Because that somehow makes sense.
I could say a lot about the whole synergy buisness,but what would the point be anyway?Millions of people watching movies are obviously not the 50 000 or so people reading comics.
Actually, I've had a great idea on how to get Miss Marvel into the movies.
Somebody online suggested that the post credit scene for the Captain Marvel movie be a Muslim girl (Kamala Khan) putting up a Ms. Marvel poster in her room. My take is to follow that up with a post credit scene in Inhumans where we see her come out of a cocoon. And that's probably the only pro-Inhuman comment you're going to get out of me. ;)
Throw in the post credit about Cassie Lang getting superpowers that SHOULD have been in the first Ant-Man and my dream project of a Young Avengers movie becomes a reality. Make it happen Feige!
Re: Cyclops:
Whatever. I just can't keep up with X-Men these days. It's too bad, because I'd probably enjoy some of the books if I read them. I read the first 5 or so issues of Extraordinary a while back and I thought those were pretty decent.
Like Alonso said about CW2-we are not writing a comic,we are writing a movie in the next 10-15 years.That pretty much covers it.And my main problem with their current line.
Young Avengers-first series was okay,second by Gillen is massively overrated.I know people will hate me for this,but its people talking about relationships,people whining about something,and people trying to prove they are hip by referencing Game of Thrones.Characters are one dimensional,pop culture references are incredibly forced.I really didn't have the stomach for it.Actually I mostly attempted reading it because it was kind of a sequel to Journey into Mystery.Which was pretty much Sandman-lite btw,but it provides a nice take on Mephisto of all people.
Just quoting that to illustrate people have different reasons for quitting.And I don't think Iron Man 4 is going to happen anytime soon.Ofc,we hear a lot about quitting all the time.Remember how everyone quit reading DC after 2011?Me neither...
I mostly cut down to Deadpool titles by the look of things.
Something earlier about FN Spider-man- wasn't Mysterio(Quentin) revived there because he made a deal with the devil or something?Its probably been sorted out later,but that could explain his connection to Mephisto now.
About Mysterio, I think I mentioned this earlier, but Peter David outright said in a a Q&A that Mysterio was supposed to be working for Mephisto.
I wasn't huge on Gillen's Young Avengers either. Cast was alright but the writing never clicked for me.
I kinda thought that was adressed after FNS,since I missed a ton of Spider-man titles.Well,there is an odd collection here and there,but Im not really following Spiderman.For a while now.
I think there will be at least few years until a Young Avengers movie,seeing Cassie is 3 or so,and MCU is sorta booked till 2020.Ofc a different line up is possible.Thou I would rather have an Avengers Academy movie. :)
Also,there were some rumors that Marvel and Fox ironed out some things,so maybe some new possibilities will open.
I don't know how long you guys have been collecting comics, but for someone who has been collecting since the late 70's/ early 80's, I have seen a lot of changes in Marvel and here is my theory:
Marvel is working in waves or generation of heroes. Spidey, Hulk, Cap, Iron Man are consider the first gen. Heroes like Wolverine, Punisher, Power-man & Iron Fist would be the second gen. Now we have another generation of heroes: Ms. Marvel, Spider-Man (Miles) Thor (Jane) and so forth. What do you guys think?
Quote from: JeyNyce on July 05, 2016, 01:12:52 PM
I don't know how long you guys have been collecting comics, but for someone who has been collecting since the late 70's/ early 80's, I have seen a lot of changes in Marvel and here is my theory:
Marvel is working in waves or generation of heroes. Spidey, Hulk, Cap, Iron Man are consider the first gen. Heroes like Wolverine, Punisher, Power-man & Iron Fist would be the second gen. Now we have another generation of heroes: Ms. Marvel, Spider-Man (Miles) Thor (Jane) and so forth. What do you guys think?
I'd mostly agree with this, but I think that after the second gen, there should also be third and fourth gens; the third made up of heroes in the late 80's and the 90's like Darkhawk, the New Warriors, Generation X, etc., and the fourth gen made up of early 00's heroes like the Young Avengers or the New X-Men. Which would make the current crop of heroes the fifth gen by my reckoning.
Quote from: kkhohoho on July 05, 2016, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: JeyNyce on July 05, 2016, 01:12:52 PM
I don't know how long you guys have been collecting comics, but for someone who has been collecting since the late 70's/ early 80's, I have seen a lot of changes in Marvel and here is my theory:
Marvel is working in waves or generation of heroes. Spidey, Hulk, Cap, Iron Man are consider the first gen. Heroes like Wolverine, Punisher, Power-man & Iron Fist would be the second gen. Now we have another generation of heroes: Ms. Marvel, Spider-Man (Miles) Thor (Jane) and so forth. What do you guys think?
I'd mostly agree with this, but I think that after the second gen, there should also third and fourth gens; the third made up of heroes in the late 80's and the 90's like Darkhawk, the New Warriors, Generation X, etc., and the fourth gen made up of early 00's heroes like the Young Avengers or the New X-Men. Which would make the current crop of heroes the fifth gen by my reckoning.
Seems pretty reasonable, though a couple, like Cap and Namor, should really be an even earlier generation than Spidey, Hulk et al.
I got into a discussion years ago when they started paying royalties on character that a writer/artist created. I was worried that this would make it financially beneficial for the old creations to be wiped out and replaced by new ones. The friends that were in the discussion didn't think that would ever happen. One said that there would always be a Fantastic Four...
In a way there will be.Maybe not now,but in a few years when Crisis of Infinite Movie Rights is over.
Imo Marvel is sorta fluid like that,one year its about something,another about something else.Nobody cares for Daredevil in years,then he gets a whole event.Iron Man was pretty much forgotten,now he shows up in every comic.
So who knows who will be popular in 2020's or so?
And we got the resolution to "I quit" teasers.Younger heroes are starting Champions.By Mark Waid and Humberto Ramos.Yey,I totaly missed his artwork...well,not like Im gonna be reading it anyway.
Also,a new Great Lake Avengers series will start in Marvel Now.Because those always worked well in the past.
Marvel has always gone with what was popular, ever since Martin Goodman was the boss. Of course, that was one reason we got the Fantastic Four in the first place.
Quote from: daglob on July 06, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
Marvel has always gone with what was popular, ever since Martin Goodman was the boss. Of course, that was one reason we got the Fantastic Four in the first place.
Or was it them who created the trends and defined the zeitgeist(s) of comics? :huh:
And on another earlier teaser,Riri Williams is the new Iron Man(not War Machine).Im not sure who that is,but retiring Tony was a weird choice,considering the MCU synergy and all that.
Quote from: Spade on July 06, 2016, 02:47:17 PM
Or was it them who created the trends and defined the zeitgeist(s) of comics? :huh:
Originally Marvel was the follower, but you are right in pointing out that they are the leaders a lot of the time now.
Well,they have the biggest market share.Its hard to tell does that reflect the actual readership,due to the sales model itself.But yeah,they are the industry leader now,in any case.
Deadpool:Too Soon-Deadpool gathers Marvels funniest characters,like Forbush Man,Howard the Duck,Squirell Girl and Punisher(?),and one of them ends up dead.No prizes for guessing who.
Well, it's not like it matters. It's not like they'll stay dead.
Quote from: daglob on July 06, 2016, 06:25:08 PM
Well, it's not like it matters. It's not like they'll stay dead.
Don't be too sure. Jean Grey (the original, not Teen!Jean from the past,) is still dead, and Gwen Stacey (the original, not Spider!Gwen from a parallel universe,) is still pushing up the daisies. And never mind all of those minor hero and villains still rotting in their graves. So there's a chance that whoever dies, they'll stay dead. Not a great chance, but a chance nonetheless. ;)
And RIP Thunderbird I, the proud Apache warrior of the X-Men!
Its a murder mystery,so I guess Forbush Man has to stay dead for a while.Or he was never dead and this is just his weird plan.It is a Deadpool comic.
Also Ben Rilley,Banshee(I think),Xavier and probably a few other mutants.And a lot of people from Exiles.
http://www.newsarama.com/30017-marvel-s-death-of-x-fills-in-the-post-secret-wars-x-inhumans-gap.html (http://www.newsarama.com/30017-marvel-s-death-of-x-fills-in-the-post-secret-wars-x-inhumans-gap.html)
Death of X covers the 8 months post Secret Wars that were time-skipped.So the question of what Cyclops did will be answered.Which we kinda guessed already?
And another funny story,a new IM series-Infamous Iron Man is starting in Marvel Now.Supposedly,Victor Von Doom takes over as Iron Man after Tony retires.
So the earlier teaser was about 2 sides fighting for a legacy name?That is...almost clever.
Quote from: Spade on July 08, 2016, 01:05:33 PM
And another funny story,a new IM series-Infamous Iron Man is starting in Marvel Now.Supposedly,Victor Von Doom takes over as Iron Man after Tony retires.
It's going to be Superior Spiderman all over again, isn't it? <_<
Somehow I think Vic's ego will require that everyone know who the new Iron Man is.
I guess Vic needs a hobby now that Reed's gone...
Quote from: kkhohoho on July 08, 2016, 03:15:55 PM
Quote from: Spade on July 08, 2016, 01:05:33 PM
And another funny story,a new IM series-Infamous Iron Man is starting in Marvel Now.Supposedly,Victor Von Doom takes over as Iron Man after Tony retires.
It's going' be Superior Spiderman all over again, isn't it? <_<
We already had Superior Iron Man,so Infamous it is.Thou,I have seen theories that this is Kristoff,not Victor,but I haven't been following current IM series so I cant tell does that make sense.And something tells me next(ish) event will be Armor Wars(again).Two groups of people led by an Iron Man facing off?We can see where this is going.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/tag/marvelnow/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/tag/marvelnow/)
Once again.via 4chan,Bleeding Cool has the scoop on Marvel Now(2)
Spoiler
Richard Rider is back.So is Namor.Darker Avengers series.Ongoings for Solo,Slapstick and Foolkiller.Thats like 10-11 Deadpool-family titles?Ongoings for Kingpin,Bullseye and Thanos.Unstoppable Wasp.Venom is back to Earth.Renew Your Vows again.Looks like that Spider-family made a jump to the regular universe,in the style of Lois and Clark.A Prowler series.
And most importantly,not a single X-men title in sight.Not.A.SINGLE.ONE.Perlmutter finally did it...
Quote from: Spade on July 12, 2016, 09:40:10 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/tag/marvelnow/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/tag/marvelnow/)
And most importantly,not a single X-men title in sight.Not.A.SINGLE.ONE.
You forgot Death of X. ;)
Quote from: kkhohoho on July 12, 2016, 01:34:58 PM
Quote from: Spade on July 12, 2016, 09:40:10 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/tag/marvelnow/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/tag/marvelnow/)
And most importantly,not a single X-men title in sight.Not.A.SINGLE.ONE.
You forgot Death of X. ;)
Not really,this era comes after Death of X.
And yeah,I think that name is quite literal.
(http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11114/111148050/5315439-9116104261-14682.jpg)
I guess that confirms it.
RIP X-men 1963-2016.
So... no X-Men, no Fantastic Four?
I guess the closest thing to X-Men is "Uncanny Avengers"
*sigh* At least DC's doing well :mellow:
Captain Marvel's getting another #1? Didn't they just relaunch her series? Also, a new #1 for Nova--could Richie Ryder be back headlining?
Quote from: Talavar on July 12, 2016, 08:47:59 PM
Captain Marvel's getting another #1? Didn't they just relaunch her series? Also, a new #1 for Nova--could Richie Ryder be back headlining?
...or could it be a plot to get money from all the people who gave their comic shop instructions to pull all #1s...
Quote from: Talavar on July 12, 2016, 08:47:59 PM
Captain Marvel's getting another #1? Didn't they just relaunch her series? Also, a new #1 for Nova--could Richie Ryder be back headlining?
You know Marvel and their #1's. It's like DC and their Crises :P
Yes,Richard is back,I said that in the spoiler above.
I said a few weeks back,that there is just no way Marvel would cancel 4-6 titles just to spite Fox.Well,they are dumber then I gave them credit for.
Not like Fox makes money from the sales of COMICS.3 team titles still sold over 50 000 each,so why cancel them?
So,for the first time in 53 years,there will be no X-men comics on the (proverbial) stands.A black day for the fans.
Quote from: Spade on July 13, 2016, 04:51:08 AM
I said a few weeks back,that there is just no way Marvel would cancel 4-6 titles just to spite Fox.Well,they are dumber then I gave them credit for.
Not like Fox makes money from the sales of COMICS.3 team titles still sold over 50 000 each,so why cancel them?
So,for the first time in 53 years,there will be no X-men comics on the (proverbial) stands.A black day for the fans.
Thank the management suits between FOX and Marvel not sharing.. so mutants/X-Men are being written out of active X-Titles because they ALL agree that promoting competition is a bad idea so FOX now has the Mutants to themselves AND Marvel has to put them into a dark corner.
FOX is finally getting an X-MEN series pilot which follows an all-new New Mutant entering the world of the X-Men Universe and hopefully connecting into the '80s-'90s universe that X-Men Apocalypse set up. When you have a whole new world to establish post Days Of Future Past and nothing but Deadpool and New Mutants on the horizon then you have to build quickly using whatever shows you can. With HELLFIRE CLUB and LEGION being pushed into FX cable territory because of darker content then you need to push an X-MEN title forward somewhere. Even more clues that FOX may have let the rights for Fantastic Four lapse back to Marvel Studios for Phase Four in return for pushing forward with merchandising (for the movies and TV shows) and FULL TV show rights.
- CQ
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135761-heres-all-the-promo-art-for-those-leaked-marvel-now-books.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135761-heres-all-the-promo-art-for-those-leaked-marvel-now-books.html)
The promo art for new titles.Hey,lets get rid of anyone people might care about in the new Avengers,relaunch it as U.S.Avengers and add Red Hulk with a mustache and 'uge gunz-its EXTREME. :banghead:
@Crimsonquill Surely there is more to a series them just movie promotion?Cant it just be its own thing,unrelated to movies?Obviously not at Marvel.And for someone not keen at promoting the competition,they have an awful lot of Deadpool titles.
Ofc,we might all be wrong and there will be relaunch of X-men post Death of X.Doubt that,but I guess it could happen.
And its really time to face the fact-Synergy doesn't work.You will not sell a million issues of something just because there is a movie around.Millions of people will not rush out of the cinema and go buy comics.It just doesn't happen.
Quote from: Spade on July 13, 2016, 05:57:16 AM
@Crimsonquill Surely there is more to a series them just movie promotion?Cant it just be its own thing,unrelated to movies?Obviously not at Marvel.And for someone not keen at promoting the competition,they have an awful lot of Deadpool titles.
I meant that like they introduce us to someone like say Goldenballs (for an obsure example) who has an ackward social life in school already as an outcast.. suddenly one morning his powers are unleashed and creates lots of property damage. The MRDs are called in (obviously not Sentinels because the CGI would be way too expensive so of course we get guys with military gear) and then everyone freezes and we get our cameos from the B-Level X-Men (with someone like Cordelia Frost, the younger Frost sister) with her team. They get away and we get to the mansion and see our cameos of '80s Cyclops and Jean along with Xavier welcoming this new student to the school. All of the stuff that usually is cut from the X-Movies lately seems to be those moments of students hanging out playing baseball, going to class, being social, hanging at the mall even... those are cut because the Singerverse movies have to be "darker and more serious" but in a TV series we have more room for that. This series can introduce us the student body and probably tie into New Mutants which should be coming out the same year. FOX has room to seed cameos of the A-Level movie X-Men over a 22-episode arc. They have to use the new cast they established.. we are NOT going to get another major recasting of everyone so the X-Men series can be the '90s cartoon show in live action. I really doubt FOX has the CW level jimmies to throw something like the budget of Legends Of Tomorrow into a flagship series so it can be X-Men Lite until Singer returns from filming 2,000 Leagues Under The Sea (which is a 2 year project and why the movies are going to focus on Deadpool 2 and New Mutants in theaters). FOX also can't afford the risk of making the show Agents Of SHIELD either with barely any cameos at all and just dancing around the edge of their mutant universe because it would step on movie continuity.
- CQ
I meant the comic series(several of them) that got canceled,not the upcoming TV series.Which I obviously cant judge yet.
Whole welding of comics and movies is what bothers me.Your not really attracting any new readers that way.Or at least not any notable numbers.
Suppose a regular muggle,who never heard of,lets say,Nighthawk,sees the Nighthawk movie and likes it.Will he/she run off to buy the newest Nighthawk #1 and all of its 20 variant covers?Probably not.Will the regular readers be mad because they got a number #1 instead of number #483 they expected?Probably yes.
So in the end the company loses more then it gained.
Lets face it,if you read DC or Marvel in the 21. century its because your a life time fan.There haven't been new readers to the Big Two since 1997.And movies wont change that.You just risk alienating the current readership with the movies-to-comics approach.
No X-Men titles *smh* It never should have gotten this bad...
Incidentally, that Death of X cover? ****ing despicable. X-Men bodies piled as far as the eye can see in what had to be an intentional reference to the holocaust. (Once again, Jewish creators) While the Inhumans are frolicking and happy without a care in the world. This IS marvel giving a middle finger to the fans. Pure and simple. I'm glad I haven't been buying a single X title since All New Marvel Now.
Spade, we already talked about U.S. Avengers like a week ago or so. The cover art was shown when they announced the book. Did you forget?
No,just that the previews reminded me how stupid the retool is.And I think its worth repeating that Red Hulk has a mustache now. :|
I not that forgetful.Yet. XD
General development seems to be villains and anti-heroes getting their own books.I guess Bullseye will be in season 3 of Daredevil if hes got an ongoing now.
Apparently there are X-men titles coming, they're just being mum about them at the moment, presumably waiting for details from/in Death of X. Several X title writers confirmed as much on twitter, only for the tweets to get deleted later.
Quote from: Spade on July 14, 2016, 05:49:27 AM
No,just that the previews reminded me how stupid the retool is.And I think its worth repeating that Red Hulk has a mustache now. :|
I not that forgetful.Yet. XD
General development seems to be villains and anti-heroes getting their own books.I guess Bullseye will be in season 3 of Daredevil if hes got an ongoing now.
Yeah, I was wondering why it seemed like a lot of the bad guys had comics. If asked, the creators would probably say something like "Oh, they aren't the heroes; it's showing how bad they are." They are the protagonists, though. A little (okay, a LOT) of that happens with Fu Manchu; while you don't want him to win, people read the books to see what skullduggery he was up to this time. The series could (and did) get along without Dennis Nayland Smith just fine. And don't get me started on Freddy Kreuger.
Fredrick Wertham would either be appalled or feel vindicated.
I imagine Wertham would be appalled about a lot of current trends.
We all cheered for the villains at one point or another. They get to have all the fun. :)
This was something I said on G+ to someone who had posted about Cap being all Hail Hydra and I think it pretty much sums up how the comic book industry, esp Marvel, is looking at the moment. Definitely reminds me of the time for sure:
QuoteEither way, the comic scene is looking alot like it did in the Ninties for both companies. Poor due to too many large convaluted, poorly thought out, universe wide events, one right after each other) overseen by a small group of writers (Marvel: Civil War, Secret War, Thanos' Invasion, Inhumanity, ect; DC: Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, Flashpoint, New 52, ect).
That's what started this whole thing rolling and it just won't stop until they start to really lose customers, like they did in the 90s. And that is all I'm saying about the comics cause I'm not really reading the current batch of stuff and my money doesn't go to the companies any more (the issues I do buy are back issues that I buy from places like Half-Priced Books and such).
Another way comics are like the 90s right now: how well they're selling. June was the biggest sales month in the comic book industry in nearly 20 years http://www.vulture.com/2016/07/june-comics-sales-2016.html#comments (http://www.vulture.com/2016/07/june-comics-sales-2016.html#comments)
As the article mentions, it's still not the early 90s heyday of comic book speculation, but still interesting to see.
Like DJ, I seldom if ever buy newsstand comics anymore (except for Future Quest). I get old, musty, Silver Age comics, or Showcase Presents, or Marvel Essentials, or download REALLY old comics from defunct publishers from a couple of sites out there. When I do skins of more-or-less contemporary characters, I look them up, and am often dismayed (we'll use that work) at the complicated, silly, sometimes STOOPID, arcane, contradictory, and convoluted histories some characters I used to read have now. At one time DC said that the whole multiverse things kept new readers away from their books, thus we got a Crisis. Then a Zero Hour, then...
What I read here, as well as what I read on other sites, does NOT make me want to read most of what is out there now. The care package Benton sent me was the most contemporary comics I've read in years. And now I read that there is a new Doom Patrol. The way I feel about this reminds me of something one of my friend's mother said about Elvis "I just wish they would let that poor man stay dead." And I realize this statement belong on the DC forum, but the sentiment applies to both Marvel and DC. They make decisions with consequences that can be felt throughout the company, and if (or when) sales don't rise, or peak, or hold steady, it seems they try some other stunt.
I havent really seen anyone who was excited about Gerard Ways Doom Patrol.Funny how that worked out.
A lot of people pointed out Marvel is doing the same things they did in the 90's.Events,variant covers...same things that led to the crash of 96's.
Due to the sales model itself,its hard to tell how many copies make it to actual readers.We know how many were ordered by retailers,which is a bit of a bloted number.Sales are up,but the readership has probably never been smaller.
Can't speak for all retailers, but at my local comic book store, the guy who runs it said he gets nailed by these big event books. Buy too few copies, and not all of the customers get it (Axis). Buy too much, and you've got excess comics (Convergence). He's said it's hard to gauge how many people are going to buy the big event books at his store so he doesn't know how many to order. He tries to keep up on them so he knows what the stories in like in case that'll help him get a sense of how many people are going to want to read this. As such, he says he read EVERY Convergence book, which he didn't enjoy, partly because he didn't like the event, partly because it replaced DC's entire line, and partly because reading all of the book meant reading a lot of material that covered the same ground.
Somebody else probably got stuck with a bunch of Secret Wars tie-ins,or Civil War 2 #1 copies.
Another interesting piece of trivia I saw a while back is that digital comics still sell a lot less then physical copies.Force of habit,belief in paper copies,piracy,IDK,but seems like digital readership isn't really all that big.
Quote from: Spade on July 15, 2016, 06:06:45 AM
Another interesting piece of trivia I saw a while back is that digital comics still sell a lot less then physical copies.Force of habit,belief in paper copies,piracy,IDK,but seems like digital readership isn't really all that big.
Digital Comics are going to be the future. There is no question there. But it's the same debate of folks who read eBooks and those who enjoy the experience of holding and reading that hardback or paperback. There is lots of folks who have iPads, Kindles, and Android devices that read books more then ever before because of the convenience of downloading and using it on a plane or waiting room or whatever when they left their paperback at home. Comic fans and Longboxes are a bit of a tradition among the collectors and it's usually passed from the parents to the kids. Those huge collections are so hard to protect and transport around and something like a fire or weather disaster can wipe them out especially when all you can grab is your portable hardware (laptop, phone, pad, and a grab bag) but no time to pull out those 5 longboxes in the bedroom or storage area. Most of the comic lovers right now are investing in the Marvel Movies and TV shows because it's a whole new world build for fans and new viewers (some movies hit more then others) but you don't have a huge amount of storyline to make sense of. Least not compared to a Marvel Chronology right now that could fill a Wikipedia or a phone book size Encyclopedia. 10 years from now the MCU probably will get that massive but right now it all fits on a medium size bookshelf in Blu-Ray cases (including the collected TV and Netflix shows). I have more friends who pick up the comics that tie into the movies usually because they have characters on the covers pulled from the movie designs.
It's why ALOT of the story arcs coming will be setting storylines of new legacy characters who will take over for the major movie heroes as their contracts end. You will see trade paperbacks in stores that push older characters finally appearing in the movies and new story arcs in series that might seed heroes to come. X-Men and mutants in comics are becoming the punished puppy left in the dog house thanks to FOX and DISNEY not getting along. It's the suits dealing with the rights issues telling the editors who they can't use and then they dump that news on the writers/artists. I really doubt the X-Men Bullpen was thrilled with being told that Inhumans were becoming the "enhanced" folks of the MCU when they were mostly an offworld group of half-human people that didn't even have the same issues that mutants have in that universe. To long term Marvel fans it just doesn't make sense. Fans of the MCU were introduced to these enhanced people caused by fish oil pills and the Royal Family from that "lost civilization" is pushed way way into Phase Four right now. All of the mythology will be simplified down and the classic Inhuman family will get modernized and whole new looks which fit the movies and probably revamped down the line in the comics as well.
I'm still expecting to hear that the X-Men Universe will be forever changed by some huge story arc that separates them into a pocket universe separated from the main comics. Marvel then can have X-Men titles separated into their own merchandising and TV/Movie tie-in stuff while FOX does their own thing. It gets to be incredibly frustrating when you see Marvel Comics promotional stuff including reprints of older retro posters but the Fantastic Four and X-Men have been removed. Then you look for X-Men and Fantastic Four promotional material and it's hard to come by and often using older versions of the characters pre-FOX movies. Because Disney is in control of the promotional department of merchandising and they refuse to promote the competition. FOX needs the merchandising rights so they can form their own FOX/Marvel branch of the bullpen and not be tied down by everything on the Disney/Marvel branch.
- CQ
I already said everything I could about the movie-to-comic synergy.So just check the previous page for that.In ten years the MCU itself will be so big they will have to reboot it anyway.
I sure there is an actual statistic somewhere,but I think its more likely that your computer will die or your phone will fall in the toilet then your house burning down.Not denying that a phone is easier to carry around.And again its still 3,99 and there is the issue of piracy,just like anywhere else.Which is a different and complicated story.And we touched upon it once or twice IIRC.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/08/04/champions-1-to-get-a-1-1000-cover-and-this-window-cling/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/08/04/champions-1-to-get-a-1-1000-cover-and-this-window-cling/)
1:1000 variant cover.For Champions #1.What retailer is going to order 1000 copies of Champions #1?
Thank frak, a new artist is taking over Thunderbolts. (http://marvel.com/news/comics/26573/sean_izaakse_strikes_thunderbolts)
He looks kinda like Discount Bagley. He's not amazing or anything, but he's good enough. He's certainly better than Malin. Interestingly, it looks like he'll be joining just as the book gets more interesting.
Cant say I heard about Izaakse,but I guess taking inspiration from Stuart Immonen or Alan Davis is better then taking inspiration from Rob Liefeld.
Did Marvel listen to the fans this time,or did Malin decided to imitative his mentor in missing deadlines too?
Almost certainly the latter, but possibly both. Very few artists these days can do a monthly by themselves for an extended period of time. The Ghostbusters comic has a history of delays and occasional guest artists.
Eh, call me jaded, but I don't know about Marvel "listening to fans". Seems most of the time they don't give a rats' arse about what fans think as long as they buy the books. Besides, when it comes to artists, the writers and editors in interviews will always talk them up like they're the best artist around. There was a time years ago on the Gauntlet era of Amazing Spider-Man, when Eric Canete did an issue (the one with Deadpool) and fans hated the art. Editor Steve Wacker told them on CBR he didn't care what they thought, and was considering having Canete do more. He never did, but I almost think Wacker said that just to spite his audience, per usual. So glad that tool isn't working on the Spidey books anymore. Not that they're any better with Slott at the helm.
Marvel executive being a jerk in a CBR interview?Must have been a day ending in Y. :rolleyes:
They should really hire new PR guys.And ban Dan Slott from twitter.
On the others hand;if fans are willing to buy a rehash of a 10 year old event at 5,99(peak Bendis writing),they deserve all the crud shoveled at them.
Quote from: Spade on August 10, 2016, 03:17:53 PM
Marvel executive being a jerk in a CBR interview?Must have been a day ending in Y. :rolleyes:
They should really hire new PR guys.And ban Dan Slott from twitter.
On the others hand;if fans are willing to buy a rehash of a 10 year old event at 5,99(peak Bendis writing),they deserve all the crud shoveled at them.
I should stress, it was the CBR
forums, not an interview. Though the forums weren't any better (after all, Wacker and Slott
literally caused the entire forum to be wiped clean because of the hostilities they caused there)
Eh, as much of a jerk as Slott is to his audience, if he was banned from twitter we'd lose him calling out Rich Johnston, and that's too precious to lose. :thumbup:
[edit] Ok, I missed two months worth of solicits, so I have a LOT to talk about. So we're going to make this a numbered list!
1. So there was an ad in today's comics for Thunderbolts #5 with a cover I'd never seen before (I just found out I'd missed two months of Marvel solicits, nuts) which treats us to Malin's take on (Miles Morales) Spider-Man: (http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/TBOLTS2016005-cov-147bc.jpg)
And apparently his nineties influences also include Todd McFarlane. ;)
1.5 Totally forgot about this one...wanted to talk about my thoughts on TBolts #3. I thought it was actually the best issue yet. The stuff at the end with S.H.I.E.L.D. and Cap and Kobik was great, and has me excited for future stories, but in addition to that......THE INHUMANS GOT THEIR A$$ES KICKED!!! I choose to believe editorial forced Inhuman B.S. on Jim Zub and he decided to rebel like a boss. This is the most cathartic enjoyment I've had since the last time someone in the industry called out Rich Johnston.
2. Speaking of Spider-Man, September's issue promises "The moment you've all been waiting for. DOC OCK IS BACK!"
Umm.....NO, the moment I've been waiting for is for Doc Ock to go the frak away. He can't "come back" because he's been in the book non stop for
four bloody years! I was never a big fan of Doc Ock (though the cartoons and movies did good by him), but even if I loved him, I'd understand that like Green Goblin, Ultron, Kang, the Joker, and Darkseid (and according to some people, Call of Duty), you have to take them off the table (which ironically enough, was the mentality behind Brand New Day and The Gauntlet), make people want it, and let the anticipation simmer like fine cuisine. Instead what we've got is warmed over leftovers and Danny Boy Slott's hubris. Bringing back the Human Brain was pretty rad though! :thumbup:
3. Also Spidey related, the cover for the finale issue of Web Warriors is kinda awesome. I really need to read this book. I've gotta get the trade for the miniseries, and then I've got the 3-issue reprint from a few months ago...
4. This Deadpool and the Mercs for Money solicit amused me though:
"The Mercs have spoken -- Deadpool sucks!
• At being their leader, I mean! Deadpool is still awesome.
• Please keep buying his comics."
Somehow I don't think that'll be an issue.
5. I know complaining about spoilers in the solicits is a little bit like complaining about spoilers in a movie trailer, but this bit involving New Avengers simply cannot go unchallenged:
Spoiler
'NEW AVENGERS #16
The A.I.M. vs. S.H.I.E.L.D. vs. W.H.I.S.P.E.R. war screams towards a heart-shredding climax!
• It's a battle to the finish aboard a crashing Air Force One! And no matter who wins, Marvel-Earth will never be the same!
• WE BEG OF YOU, TRUE BELIEVER -- DO NOT REVEAL THE SHOCKING TWISTS WITHIN THESE PAGES TO MAN OR BEAST!
NEW AVENGERS #17
Roberto Da Costa — SHOT THROUGH THE HEAD! A.I.M. — UNDER SIEGE FROM S.H.I.E.L.D.!
• Air Force One — TUMBLING FROM THE SKY LIKE A DYING SWAN!"
WELL THANKS FOR GIVING IT AWAY YOU NIMRODS!
So I was reading the solicit for the new Champions book (aka one half of All New Avengers) and I was thinking: with all the interchangeable team/book names for young superhero teams, like Young Allies and the Battleworld Runaways book, which they confirmed was called Runaways in order to keep the trademark on the name -- Wouldn't it make more sense to call this book Young Avengers? I mean, I know it's kinda sacrilege to call it that when it has nothing to do with Heinberg's book and characters, but Gillan's run was like a third Heinberg's YA and 2 thirds completely different characters. This on the other hand, literally stars Young Avengers. As in Young superheros who migrated from an Avengers book. Heck, Amadeus Cho as the Totally Awesome Hulk is in this, and he was a member of Slott's Mighty Avengers roster. Plus having the Avengers name in the title helps brand recognition/sales. I kinda think Marvel dropped the ball on this one. Maybe they needed to renew the Champions name? In any case, It's still Mark Waid and I like the roster so I'll happily pick it up.
I guess it depends on following creators or the characters.But Im not that optimistic about Champions.Or at least not like Marvel is.
IIRC there is a Spiderman by Todd McFarlane omnibus coming out(or is it out already?) so maybe Malin decided its a good time for a homage.Or something.
IDK if I commented New Avengers,but Warlock is back.And Toni is Rescue.Im surprised Marvel allowed any of that,but it was cool anyway.
^ Re: New Avengers. Not sure why they wouldn't. Warlock might be from the X-Men books, but he's not a mutant. And yeah, I know that's not even remotely how the tv/movie rights issues work, but the comics don't (and can't, see: Firestar, Deadpool, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch) afford to work on that logic. Every character in the Marvel U is Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon (how sad is I almost wrote "Fifty Shades of Keven Bacon"? Though I maybe I still had that joke from Spider-Man/DP on the brain.) As for Rescue, that actually was pretty cool. I've liked Toni Ho the whole time, but that felt like the testing grounds for her role in U.S. Avengers. Actually that makes her the character I'd most want to read about in that book. Still not picking it up though.
^ Champions baffles me. Not just because of the title, but because splitting the kids and adults into two books seems like a self-defeating ploy for double the money. I'm going to pick them up, because I've liked Mark Waid and All New Avengers is fun, I've always been done for an Avengers ongoing if the creative team/roster/direction is solid (see also: Al Ewing New Avengers biggest disappointment since Secret Invasion: X-Men by Mike Carey) and I like both rosters (though Hercules as a nineties anti-hero with a Dragon Ball Z Scouter is as bizarre a direction as they come. It's like if Thor randomly decided to become a Ghostbuster. Hey, I can write for Marvel!) But think of it in terms of the fans. The Tumblrites are going to drop Tony Stark and Vish and make a beeline to Kamala Khan and Her Amazing Friends, while the "hardcore", "oldschool" "traditional" "Avengers-y" Avengers fans are going to flock to the former. I'd think that making BOTH groups have to buy the book like in All-New would be the smarter gamble (kinda like the Wolverine Publicity trope) Marvel could have even been more devious and kept All-New and sold all three. Hell, if Danny Boy Slott is expected to write three Spidey comics a month with one of them drawn by Jim freaking Cheung (I'm calling delays), then Waid can probably write them all (though I wouldn't begrudge them a good co-writer or replacement).
On the topic of Civil War II, I'm not reading it. It's a Bendis book, it's going to adhere to expectations as such, rather than subvert them. Bendis is the Micheal Bay of comics writers: you know exactly what you're going to get, for better or worse. Interestingly enough, the guy who runs my local comic book store says he really likes it, saying it had a good story to justify why the characters are at odds. He also still likes the original, and so did I at the time; don't hold that against me though, I was under 20 at the time and knew virtually nothing of politics. Then again, I skimmed Linkara's review and the main thing I took from it was "man, McNiven's art wasn't nearly as good as I remember. He's come a long way." Some dude in the Youtube comments actually, I kid you not, mistook McNiven's art for Greg Land, saying they look "exactly the same".
Anyway, back to Civil War II. My local comics shop guy likes it, but I won't hold that against him. He's not a Bendis-hater like we are are, and I get the feeling he has odd tastes. He was alive during the silver age and thought Spider-Man sucked back then to begin with, isn't a fan of Deadpool, and hated Jason Aaron's Wolverine and the X-Men (though, as I've said before, it's an acquired taste). Now mind you, I've only read the FCBD story, so I could be totally wrong, but the buzz I've repeatedly is that it's actually worse than the Mark Miller original, but considering it's Bendis-written ensemble book that hinges on the characterization of the extended Marvel cast (something he's always been terrible at) AND is conceived as Inhuman B.S. from the very start, Failure was pretty much The Only Option.
I dont hate Bendis(he had a lot of good stuff),only ones deserving hate here are Marvel editors for assigning him to write pretty much everything.I mean,give the man Daredevil,or something.
I did read the FCBD issue,and I said all that I could there.What also bothered me was that characters were not individuals,but a hive-mind speaking thru multiple mouths.Everybody is cracking the same jokes,and others are finishing those same jokes.
Thats kinda the thing about Champions,lets gather all the Tumbler stars into one comic,its gonna sell like ramen on a Naruto convention.Not to go full Brevoort,but Tumbler audience blogs and complains,but doesnt really buy comics.If they actually did,Angela would be supporting 3-4 montly series.
Actually Bendis' Daredevil run is supposed to be one of the all time greats. I read a few issues on Marvel's site back in high school and I thought it was awesome. Even Bendis' most staunch supporters have always contented he's at his best doing street level crime series (so basically Marvel's Netflix lineup). Why he never wrote a Luke Cage solo outing I'll never know. I'll give him that, he did more for Luke than any other writer. No Bendis, no Mike Coulter Luke Cage.
In related news, the Gendy Tartokovsky Power Man comic is finally coming out after over a decade. I assume Kevin Smith's Daredevil: The Target will come out any minute now. Wait a sec....Target and Tartokofsky starts with a T, just like Three.....HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED U GAIS!
Dude don't get me started on that Angela comic again....I've said it before and I'll say it again....you never go full SJW.
As for reading the books, actually I pointed out about a year or two ago that if you count digital sales Ms. Marvel outsells the X-Men books. Take from that what you will. No idea if it's still the case now if it applies to other books.
Also I may have touched on this before, but is Sam Alexander Nova a fan-favorite? I've haven't heard people talk about him in years, Richie's coming back, which feels like an admission of failure if there ever was one (though apparently the premise will be Rich mentoring Sam, which sounds like just the shot in the arm the book needs. Even though Rich keeps losing his arm. YOHOHOHO!). I might have said this too, but Nova's book feels like it's been going through the paces for a while and kinda lacks direction (right now it's doing a Civil War tie-in, and sometimes tie-ins keep the main story going; in this case it definitely feels like the plot stopped in its tracks) and All-New Avengers kinda did a bit of a pseudo-crossover with Nova (which, like a similar sojourn during McDuffie's JLA, ended up being a big waste of time, now a nod to Quasar was a nice touch)
Speaking of which, still waiting for more Quasar, Marvel. Unless that pops up again, that's gonna be the biggest non-starter since the Fred Van Lente Chinese Twins from the Point One story years ago (anyone remember that? That went nowhere)
Thats what Im saying.His DD run was great and he should be writing DD again,instead of team titles,which he isnt really suited. :)
Its actually pretty amazing how Bendis arranged the pieces there and kinda established Matt as his own worst enemy.A bunch of bad things happen to Matt,but not because a fat guy in the tower is orchestrating things,but just because s*it happens.Thats life.And he doesn't even meet the people responsible for the mess.And they didnt even knew him.Or I would like to see Bendis write Amazing Spiderman.
Angela was just an example I like to use.As in it was all over the internet,but nobody was really buying it.Since you know,it got canceled with issue 6 or 7.
I cant know if Champions will suffer the same fate,but I can tell that nobody is gonna order 2000 copies of #1.
And I mentioned it in a different thread,so Im just throwing it in here,There will be a new Ghost Rider series with Robbie Reyes(third or second in 2 years),because you know,Agents of Shield.That will get its 50 viewers to buy Marvel comics,for sure.
Yeah, that sounds really good for Daredevil. Maybe I'll have to read that, Frank Miller's Born Again, and Brubaker's run one day. I did pick up the 3-dollar reprint set for Charles' Soule's Daredevil, which I've heard good things about. Haven't read it yet though.
Eh, I'm not sure I want Bendis writing Amazing Spider-Man. Not just because he's always been at home writing Ultimate Spider-Man and Miles Morales, but because his Peter Parker Spidey in his Avengers run was always such a goober (arguably as much or more than Slott's). Mind you, I never did read Spider-Men. I really will have to read that one day. Speaking of which, that sequel hook never did get followed up on, did it?
Yaknow, on the topic of Bendis and Daredevil, I kinda wonder why Bendis doesn't end up writing for television? You'd think his chatty dialogue and constant quips and obsession with having any given comic just be guys standing around talking would lend itself to tv perfectly.
Yaknow, I just remember I still read his Guardians of the Galaxy run. I actually regularly buy and read a Bendis book and totally forgot. That's how not-invested I am. To me, of the stuff I pick up, Guardians and Nova, those are my least favorite at the time.
On the topic of the Ghost Rider, I didn't know anything about that version of the character until the S.H.I.E.L.D. thing, and then I learned he rides a car instead of a motorcycle? Really? Lame. The one thing everyone remembers Ghost Rider for, why would you get rid of that? Heck, his name doesn't even make any sense that way. When someone is in a car, we don't call them a "rider", we call them a "driver". :rolleyes:
It was pointed out to me though that having that version of the character in Agents of Fail means they get to use all that lovely automobile company product placement that tv shows and movies love so much. Yay.
Back to something from the solicits: The October cover for Ant-Man. If this really is the last issue of the series, what a nice image to bow out on. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=80535&disp=ilib&oty=1&oid=79589) If the book doesn't get another volume, I really hope both of those characters pop up in something else. And I'm very confident they would. Even if Marvel's done with an Ant-Man ongoing, there's no doubt the Paul Rudd version from the movies has given the character enough exposure to keep him around. Plus Marvel's said to this day they're still interested in doing more Young Avengers stuff, and Hulkling and Wiccan are being phased out of Ewing's Avengers book, so maybe them, Cassie and whoever (Kate Bishop?) can do more Young Avengers. Or Champions for that matter.
Something in a different topic reminded me-and I know its waaaay too late to joke about it-but Robbie Morrison called it? ;)
(http://shop.2000adonline.com/images/product_full/nikolai_dante_amerika.jpg)
Yes,homages to other superheros also show up in the story.And it ran in 2008 IIRC.
Im just gonna skip the "Its not the Ghost Rider I like and remember" and go to the part where-if a character cant hold a series(or two) past issue 10-12,why would the next reboot be any different?I mean it could work if you bring in a superstar creative team,but I doubt thats the case here.
I guess Nick Spencer is too busy tweeting how Hillary is great to actually write comics. :rolleyes:
I have fallen a bit behind in Ant-man btw.I guess it was a bit of a cult book so the sales might not have been that great.And nothing really last long these days.
Which reminds me,looks like Marvel gave up on renumbering,and now they just put a number #1 in the other corner when another story starts.For example Deadpool #21(Not a Tumor #1).Not the happiest solution,but better then outright renumbering.
??? Sorry, ya lost me.
Eh, I haven't actually heard an explanation on why the current volume of Ant-Man is ending. It could easily just be sales. There's a difference between a Paul Rudd/Evangeline Lilly rom-com that doubles as a Marvel movie attracting an audience and a comic that is unabashedly "Superior Foes 2.0" doing the same. For one thing, as soon as I saw Ant-Man I predicted that Micheal Pena and the other buddies of Scott would migrate into the comics but surprisingly that never happened. And with Hank Pym and the extremly loose approximation of Hope Van Dyne being tied up elsewhere the Ant-Man comic really can't play off any of that synergy other than it being a heist comedy with a down on his luck superhero and his daughter. I'm a little disappointed, but really, I can't complain. That's how it goes. I still like the book, if for no other reason than I'm a big fan of the characters of Scott and Cassie Lang, but I liken the book to the IDW Ghostbusters in that I was really into it for a while, and that enthusiasm died out a bit and it went down a few notches. Neither book has ever been bad, they've just settled into a kind of pleasant familiarity. Like a really good pizza place after you've eaten it enough times.
Long story short,Nikolai Dante is assigned to the russian occupied America,and the leader of the resistance is basicly black Captain America.As in,it predicted the later development in Marvel comics.Not so funny when I explain it like that,I know.
Well,none of the movie audience really filtered down to comic readership.Its almost unbelivable that superheroes have never been more present in the pop culture,yet comic sales are at an all time lowest.
Quote from: Spade on August 11, 2016, 02:50:46 PM
Well,none of the movie audience really filtered down to comic readership.Its almost unbelivable that superheroes have never been more present in the pop culture,yet comic sales are at an all time lowest.
We've gone over this before, but that is demonstrably untrue: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/12/the-resurgence-of-comic-books-the-industry-has-its-best-selling-month-in-nearly-two-decades/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/12/the-resurgence-of-comic-books-the-industry-has-its-best-selling-month-in-nearly-two-decades/) http://www.businessinsider.com/the-comic-book-industry-is-on-fire-2014-8 (http://www.businessinsider.com/the-comic-book-industry-is-on-fire-2014-8) http://www.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales.html (http://www.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales.html)
Comic sales have been generally rising over the last 5 years, with some monthly dips and spikes along the way. The lowest point since the 90s appears to have been 2010, with sales rebounding since then. Now, this is the industry as a whole, not just DC & Marvel, but the doomsaying seems unwarranted.
I would like to point out that we have the numbers for what comic shops ordered,there is no way of finding out how many of those actually got to the readers.
And lets not forget that Marvel sales have been bloated by variant covers and constant number #1.There is just no way in hell that 381 737 actual living people bought Civil War 2 #1.
And going outside the top 10 we see X-men at around 45 000,Avengers and Thunderbolts at around 35-36 000.Which are sad numbers compared to their former glory.But are actually more realistic numbers,seeing it was not a super-mega event with 3000 variant covers.
So yeah,millions of people who saw Marvel movies have not rushed to buy comics.Also,looks like DC and Image are gaining in Market share.
Tal, not saying you and the article are wrong in general, but I love the irony that the article flat out starts out by implying that movie Ant-Man has helped sales of the comic soar when me and Spade just finished establishing that no, sir, that is, as you put it, demonstrably untrue. Now, if there's a new volume of Ant-Man, awesome, but if that were the case wouldn't they have announced it by now? The X-Men creative teams wasted no time in confirming that the X-Men books weren't going anywhere, soo....
In addition, you are aware that a few years ago comics sales numbers were gouged to absurd degrees due to their inclusion in Loot Crates? (http://www.the-gutters.com/comic/511-cliff-richards/) See, that's the thing, your "demonstrable" sales data is open to interpretation and there are any number of variables that have to be factored in. The variant covers one Spade mentioned is a good example. This week my comic book store had like ten sketch variant covers of All-Star Batman and nothing else because fans put ASB in their pull list but noone wanted the sketch variants. That's unsold comics.
My local store also got absolutely nailed by Convergence. He was selling nearly every book for a dollar each mere months after they came out.
See also Secret Wars/Battleworld. My store's "value packs" (aka the whole mini for half price) box is full of them to this day.
http://www.comicsbeat.com/tilting-at-windmills-252-this-retailer-wrote-252-columns-and-what-he-found-out-might-shock-you/ (http://www.comicsbeat.com/tilting-at-windmills-252-this-retailer-wrote-252-columns-and-what-he-found-out-might-shock-you/)
Somebody explains it better then I could.
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/features/135996-overthought-bubble-27-on-wednesday-it-is-old-news.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/features/135996-overthought-bubble-27-on-wednesday-it-is-old-news.html)
And another one,about Marvel spoiling their own books.
If your reading Spiderman its because you always read Spiderman,not because you care whats gonna happen to him.Sad,but true.
Re: Champions: Oh boo hoo. That happens literally all the time. That's like complaining about Thunderbolts covers "spoiling" that the Thunderbolt who "died" in issue #1 didn't stay dead, or solicits for Uncanny Avengers giving away when exactly Hank Pym would appear again. Besides, I read the first issue of Vision and didn't think it was all that great anyway.
re: Spider-Man. But I always read Spider-Man and I'm not reading it anymore, precisely because I didn't care what happened to him in Amazing anymore.
I didnt read Vision so that example is lost on me.But to be fair,I see the point that the article was making.As in,Marvel is more focused in teasing new things,then respecting the ongoing series.
Spiderman was just an example.He was trying to say that we read comics more out of habit then out of enjoyment.I dont really buy that,but there might be a sliver of truth there.
Well, it's possible they could have kept her off the cover and then updated it later. I'm pretty sure they've gone that before (heck, the Hawkeye stuff in Civil War II might quality) but then you can't promote her as being in the book until Vision's story is concluded.
Even though I thought the first issue of Vision was overrated I predict Mark Waid will make me a fan of Viv. I like the idea of the character and the Vision series more than the book itself based on the issue I read. It's been too long so I can't remember what it is I didn't like about it but I know I walked out with it with a clear sense of "that was it?"
Skimmed the article. Don't agree that promoting Death of Wolverine spoils the death of Wolverine. That's the point of the story, you're supposed to know he's going to die. In a story like that, it's the sense of urgency and mortality that informs the story. Breaking Bad is a good example. You know from the first episode that Walt has cancer and as such he's aware of his mortality. Every time he coughs his guts out in the show, that's like a ticking time clock there to remind both the viewer and the character. That's the motivations for his getting into drug dealing in the first place.
I realize we only know sales figures for what stores order, rather than total sales, and the reasons why are up to interpretation (though I don't see why discounting the movies entirely makes sense), it doesn't change that there's been an upward trend over the last 5 or 6 years in the numbers of comics ordered from all retailers. Sure, stores get burned some of the time ordering comics that don't sell, but if they were always getting burned, they'd stop ordering more, especially when we're talking about growth over a number of years, not just quarters in a calendar year.
If you look at the Comichron yearly unit sales for all Diamond distributed comics (which is basically all of them) 2015 sold 25 million more comics than 2010. That's a lot of comics. Now, has Marvel's share significantly dropped? Maybe. Image and IDW definitely seem to have expanded, but some of that is probably at DC/Vertigo's expense as well. Has it dropped enough that they're actually selling fewer comics today than the end of last decade, despite market growth of around 25%? I doubt that.
Anyway, the claim was that comic sales are at their all time lowest, which is BS. I'm not saying millions of movie viewers all started reading comics (though maybe some did to account for the upward trend), and I'm not saying this is the highest comics have ever sold, but it is significantly higher than recent low points, particularly 2000/2001, and 2010 as examples.
Okay,Death of Wolverine wasnt the best example.But like I said,I can kinda see the point.
For example,if people see that Hulk dies in CW2 #3,will they go and buy that issue?Is that preview helping sales?Anyway,I mostly posted it because it mentioned similar things as the first article.
Tal, didn't mean to imply I was discounting the influence of the other films at all, I was strictly talking about Ant-Man. For the record, Nick Spencer or whoever (might have been the editor) claimed when the previous volume of Ant-Man came out that they didn't do the book because of the movie, which I'm reluctant to believe considering they redesigned his costume to look more like the movie one. I imagine if the character sold well enough in the comics, he'd appear in other books and be on an Avengers team; probably Uncanny Avengers so he could interact with Hank Pym. In terms of the comics, Marvel doesn't seem to care much about Ant-Man. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if we see more Ant-Man in the comics in time for the second Ant-Man movie though, so if the book's really cancelled I can at least look forward to that.
Okay,granted the sales may not be at lowest possible point,but they are not nearly what they could/should be,considering the popularity of Superheroes right now.
And again,we have no way of knowing how many issues make it ACTUAL readers.Real readership would probably be closer to 50-60 000 the 300 000.
Lets also count that Marvel(and DC and Image I assume) now have more series then 10 years ago.For example,if they had 50 new issues per month,now they have 80.Readership didnt increase,they are just selling more comics to the same people.
Civil War II has been extended to 8 issues, adding one extra than they originally planned.
Yay?!
Also I just finished my Marvel books from last week:
All New Avengers:
It's a Civil War II tie-in starring Vision, but it really doesn't have that much to do with Civil War II. It's more continuation of All-New Avengers plot. The whole thing's about Vision. I liked it, and I interested in seeing where Waid's going with it. But there was one aspect about it that bothered me.
Spoiler
So the whole thing is about Vision, who we're told is getting "too emotional" these days and has to keep moving his newly formed emotions to what's effectively an external hard drive. He'd been controlled by Kang the Conquerer recently, and wants to eliminate him from the time-line once and for all before he becomes Kang. There's extensive narration explaining Vision's thoughts on this, and he even says that he's aware that the timeline could be badly screwed up if he does this, but he ends up doing it anyway. He is pursued by some kind of time-wraith, who says that time is equally effected by Kang's presence as it is his absence, which Vish seems to take as justification to go through with his plan. The part that bugs me though, is that at no point is there a reference to Kang being Iron Lad and forming the Young Avengers. You'd think that'd be kinda important to the timeline and that preventing that from happening would have significant ripples. Not only that, but the very first arc of Young Avengers showed that New York becomes a post-apocalyptic wasteland if Iron Lad doesn't go on to become Kang. So this story feels kinda redundant. Oh, wait, is this a "post-Secret Wars" thing? :rolleyes:
Then we have *sigh*
"All New All Different Avengers Annual: The Fan Fiction World of Ms. Marvel" Make no mistake, this is NOT an All-New Avengers book, despite the completely misleading cover showing Sam Wilson and Nova. The team doesn't appear in the book in any capacity; this is a Ms. Marvel book through and through that Marvel called "All-New Avengers" to try to get more people to buy it. Well, apparently they succeeded; They got my money. I assumed that because Waid himself along with Mahmud Asrar were working on stories for this that it would actually count as an extension of his run but I was completely wrong. Worse still, it's pretty goldarn terrible. The writers must have an especially low opinion of fanfic writers, because not only do they portray the fanfic as the most ineptly written stuff you can think of (inadvertently bashing the styles of the guest writers/artists in the process) but they even go so far as to stereotype fanfic writers as pathetic basement dwellers writing fanfic as a cry for help. Classy. :rolleyes: Waid's fanfic also serves as a strawman mysogistic take, going far as to ironically use the term "Social Justice Warrior" to refer to Ms. Marvel. Ehhhh. I'm going to make a little educated guess and guess that Ms. Marvel fans probably love this annual. Well, as someone who no significant problem with the character in All-New or her few appearances in Nova, if this book was meant to be an ambassador to the character for me, it failed. Here she's an immature brat that whines to the guys running the fanfic site to try to get other people's fanfic taken off the site because she doesn't like it. When she complains that the fanfic doesn't portray her and the other heroes the way they are in real life, she's immediately told "....This is a fanfic site." Um, yeah, that's kinda how it works. As a writer of fanfic (terrible fanfic, judging by the titles she lists off), you'd think she'd get that. instead she says "I don't care!" Our hero, ladies and gentleman! A petulant child who complains when she doesn't get her way and wants to impede on other's rights to write fanfic on the same site as her. The sad thing is this framing device is written by Ms. Marvel's own writer. So I guess between what little I read of the first issue of her book (I literally couldn't finish it, that's how bad it was) and this, I guess Ms. Marvel sucks in her own book but is fine in other books. That's what I got from this.
On the other hand, the one thing I did out of this book (other than that the Spider-Ham-esque animal parody was mildly cute) was that the She-Hulk story was by the creator of the charming webseries "Bee and Puppycat" I really liked the character of Bee in that, but she is not She-Hulk, so trying to use that style on her didn't really work. It's like how people say "Because it worked in one medium, it must work in another."
In the future, I'll have to make sure to be more scrutinizing and exercise more discretion (like say, reading the official preview) before buying a book like this to make sure I don't waste my money again.
[edit] so I just checked the preview for the annual, because I wanted to know if it actually would have helped, and the answer is NO. Other than the credits page, the worded preview only covers the first 3 pages, as in the framing device. It doesn't get to the actual fan-fic (though the initial bit with Ms. Marvel would have been a turn-off, I was under the impression that the actual All-New Avengers would turn up in the fanfic. Which didn't happen, other than Miles. Also, the solicit text is also a lie. It claims you're going to be reading Kamala Khan's fanfic, but you don't. It's other people's fanfic that
she's reading. Way to botch your premise there, Marvel.
My arch-nemesis;Fanfic.net!
On the other hand,you pretty much summed my problems with Ms Marvel.
It really is a shame, because like I said, she's fine in All-New Avengers. A little bratty, but that's it. Despite the "diverse" cast, ANADA is as apolitical as it gets. Yet, the second Waid writes a story for this annual, out come the political digs! Even though it still carries the All-New Avengers name.
Its more of a dig at fandom,I guess?Outside of SJW bit.
And from what I saw,the book often took jabs at people complaining about diverse cast,so not really a new thing.But I admit I havent read an actual issue of it.
I ended up reading Thunderbolts #3.Points to Zub for remembering these characters have 10 or so(in universe) experience.And he could pretty much rename the whole thing Bucky and Friends.
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Its a day ending in y as a Marvel employee takes to CBR to insult readers.Because that was so deep and philosophical,and everyone who didnt like it is an idiot.
Quote from: Spade on August 18, 2016, 04:47:18 AM
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Its a day ending in y as a Marvel employee takes to CBR to insult readers.Because that was so deep and philosophical,and everyone who didnt like it is an idiot.
I remember Tom Brevoort and Dan Slott complaining about how sites like Bleeding Cool were spoiling stories and taking the fun out of comics then immediately the day after Civil War II Issue #3's big death is then reported by CNN (or Time, I forgot). Like how the heck is that any different?
Quote from: Spade on August 16, 2016, 07:27:21 PM
Its more of a dig at fandom,I guess?Outside of SJW bit.
And from what I saw,the book often took jabs at people complaining about diverse cast,so not really a new thing.But I admit I havent read an actual issue of it.
I ended up reading Thunderbolts #3.Points to Zub for remembering these characters have 10 or so(in universe) experience.And he could pretty much rename the whole thing Bucky and Friends.
I really wanted to like this series but the art, it just looks so Rob Liefeld-Lite, and the writing isn't really something to write home about. Parker-Bolts it is not.
We have been complaining about Malins artwork for few months now,so I cant really add anything there.Good news is hes leaving soon.
Also recently,we mentioned Marvel spoiling their own works,a bit further down in this thread.My point was,that once again,somebody at Marvel adopted an incredibly straw-men tactic.Surprise,I know.As in,if you didn't like Spencers Captain America,its because you were too dumb to get it,not because he might have done something wrong.You can find a million excuses,but your not fooling anyone into thinking your one gimmick C.A comic is the best work of literature in this century.Red Skull mind controlled Captain America.There is nothing deep,grand in scope or even remotely new there.
Quote from: Spade on August 18, 2016, 06:43:22 AM
We have been complaining about Malins artwork for few months now,so I cant really add anything there.Good news is hes leaving soon.
Also recently,we mentioned Marvel spoiling their own works,a bit further down in this thread.My point was,that once again,somebody at Marvel adopted an incredibly straw-men tactic.Surprise,I know.As in,if you didn't like Spencers Captain America,its because you were too dumb to get it,not because he might have done something wrong.You can find a million excuses,but your not fooling anyone into thinking your one gimmick C.A comic is the best work of literature in this century.Red Skull mind controlled Captain America.There is nothing deep,grand in scope or even remotely new there.
Is he leaving? I thought that there'll just be a different artist for 2 issues then he's back? The only Marvel Book I'm really buying is Vision, I've temporarily dropped Cho Hulk since I don't want anything to do with Civil War II, shame that Frank Cho left art duties though, was that ever explained? I'm not even sure if I am gonna pick up Cho Hulk since I'm almost sure that nearly post-Civil War II the book would all be launching back at a "Special" $5 Price like the start of ANAD (How no one gives Marvel dren for this I have no idea why, Image and IDW I can see, they have waaay better paper and print quality compared to Marvel's almost see through pages, not even kidding some pure white pages you can almost see through the next page). I still find it hilarious how Rich (the guy who runs Bleeding Cool) was hyping up Spencer's CA saying how it's gonna be Cap's Anatomy Lesson Moment (Straight outta Moore's Swamp Thing) and then the next issue it's revealed that surprise, it's another fakeout.
Another funny thing we commented before,Rich said the EXACT same thing about Al Ewing.(He compares pretty much everyone to Alan Moore,for some reason.) :rolleyes:
Thou,I have kinda changed my opinion on Al Ewing.Hes pretty the best writer Marvel currently has.Which is pretty much like having the biggest **** in the Unsullied army,as Bron said once.
Don't agree on Ewing. Spencer on Ant-Man and Kelly on Spider-Man/Deadpool are both better. I also think Waid on All New Avengers is better. I care about what happens in those books. New Avengers just kinda exists. It's T-Bolts-tier in my book.
I love a good Game of Thrones reference as much as anyone (vulgar as it may be) but I'm not nearly that jaded when it comes to Marvel. Most of the books I'm buying are Marvel to this day and the only ones I can say I'm not entirely enjoying are NA and TBolts, and even those have some redeeming qualities.
I was actually considering posting the Spencer CBR article here, assuming it's the same article. He said he didn't expect it to be a controversy. Maybe I'm overly jaded, but I have a hard time believing that. Breevoort already lied, so in for a penny, in for a pound, right? I think they just needed to bring up the run again because people aren't talking about it as much anymore. No publicity is bad publicity, right?
QuoteI remember Tom Brevoort and Dan Slott complaining about how sites like Bleeding Cool were spoiling stories and taking the fun out of comics then immediately the day after Civil War II Issue #3's big death is then reported by CNN (or Time, I forgot). Like how the heck is that any different?
I probably shouldn't say anything, but you asked, so I'll answer. The difference is one side is a thief, and the other side isn't. Say what you will about CNN or whoever blowing the big reveal in CWII (I do agree it's a d*ck move, but I'm also not reading Civil War II), they play ball with Marvel. They go through the official channels, and everyone involved (except the readers, obviously) benefit and get what they want. It's a symbiotic relationship. (Sadly, I must concede that that is equally true for sites like CBR and Newsarama). Bleeding Crap's relationship to Marvel (and DC, ect) is that of a parasitic one. It's "gimmie gimmie gimmie" with very little respect to the creators who make this work possible. I'd say they're scans_daily with ads, but scans_daily members will ban a creator's work from the comm if that creator doesn't want them posting scans of it.
JK about that(we all know Kelly is the best there is :)),but considering the overall roster,Ewing doesnt look so bad.Just my opinion,but New Avengers got a lot better with time;after a pretty weak start.
Call me cynical,but the only reason Spencer and some others got the "big" titles is because Fraction,Remender and Hickman left.He was not picked because hes the next Alan Moore,but because he was around.And Im still convinced that writing and art duties are decided via a dartboard at Marvel,btw.
On the second thing;do Brevoort,Slott and Rich really need a reason for an internet argument?It just what they do.
Re Spencer ect: agreed. Superior Foes and Ant-Man are fun, but I don't look at those and go "YES! This is the guy who must write the next majorly-hyped status quo-shaking event book storyline". Sometimes it's ok to for books to just be a low-key fun affair and not some epic thing you "have" to keep up on.
Second thing: yep. And the funny thing is, Breevort, Slott and Wacker, when he was doing the books, really seemed to think they could say anything they wanted online and it wouldn't effect sales positively or negatively because the people complaining online "didn't count". Yeah, ask Sony how that worked out for them. :D *troll hat firmly on*
Well,my point exactly.But,ofc,Spencer has a higher opinion of himself.And tries to sell the story that average reader cant get his story.So grand in scope it will involve 2-3 super-mega-events.Deflecting the blame a bit?
Which kinda ties into the second thing,since Marvel executives have been doing it since they discovered internet.(And a good number of fans adopted that policy.Because if somebody doesn't like your newest change-hes a racist,or sexist or something *ist.)Just accuse fans that they didnt read the comic,but got the wrong info from some nefarious blogger.Problem solved.
I know that style has been really off-putting to me,but I wonder how many other readers got the same feeling?
Well, I don't know about the majority of people reading the books, but online there's definitely no shortage of people who can't stand those kind of disingenuous assertions. Speaking for myself, I get a sense of "pick your battles". There are some who spend all day going back and forth with Slott or whoever on CBR or Twitter or what have you. Me? I don't have the energy for that. I don't see the point either; the other side is never going to see your point so it's almost a waste of time to debate with them. I'll talk about it here sometimes, but that's about it.
Haven't read the Spencer interview, but you know what? From the sounds of it, I think maybe that's for the best. I still like him as a writer, and I'd rather not rapidly lose respect for him. That "the average reader can't understand my story" bit sounds like the height of arrogance. Some say you should try to separate the artist from the art, and I think that might be sound advice.
I try to avoid online argument in general,so same thing.
Variation on "never meet your heroes",but when you see people who are supposed to be professionals arguing over dumb things,it kills the magic.
Thou there are almost reverse cases.His tweets are the best thing Rob Liefeld wrote,for example.
http://www.popsci.com/marvel-announces-stem-devoted-comic-book-campaign?src=SOC&dom=tw (http://www.popsci.com/marvel-announces-stem-devoted-comic-book-campaign?src=SOC&dom=tw)
Variant Covers.Yey...
Im only sharing it because for a split second I thought they hooked up with Steam(game distributor). :)
Which maybe wouldnt be so stupid as it sounds.But no,different STEAM.
Thou Im not sure how variant covers should get kids interested in science.Seeing kids are not a big part of Marvel audience.
Quote from: Spade on August 19, 2016, 06:42:13 PM
http://www.popsci.com/marvel-announces-stem-devoted-comic-book-campaign?src=SOC&dom=tw (http://www.popsci.com/marvel-announces-stem-devoted-comic-book-campaign?src=SOC&dom=tw)
Variant Covers.Yey...
Im only sharing it because for a split second I thought they hooked up with Steam(game distributor). :)
Which maybe wouldnt be so stupid as it sounds.But no,different STEAM.
Thou Im not sure how variant covers should get kids interested in science.Seeing kids are not a big part of Marvel audience.
Not the first time Marvel used a kid-friendly cause to push out more variants. I think nearly every title has like 2-3 or even 5 Variants (Off the top of my head, the Death of X Variants, the just a variant Variant, the Action Figure Variant, the Civil War 2 Variants) and they're all incentive based too, so that's even more moolah. And supporting STEAM, that's gonna net them more brownie points with the casual audience.
Im aware they have a bunch of variant covers,I mentioned these because of a bit odd theme(well odder?).And I dont really understand how Spiderman with a microscope should get kids interested in science.And all the profits from the covers still goes to Marvel,so they are not helping anyone but Marvel.
Apparently they've announced that they new Iron Man isn't going to be named Iron Man, but Ironheart. Which means she's not Iron Man.
I mean, I don't care what they call her, but whey say she's the new Iron Man, when they aren't going to call her that.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on August 23, 2016, 01:14:17 AM
Apparently they've announced that they new Iron Man isn't going to be named Iron Man, but Ironheart. Which means she's not Iron Man.
I mean, I don't care what they call her, but whey say she's the new Iron Man, when they aren't going to call her that.
More Page Views = More Ad Money
I mean what would get more clicks? "Invincible Iron Man gets new main character Riri Williams as Iron Heart" or "Black Teenager replaces Iron Man in Invincible Iron Man"? It's not like this tactic is working much other than the first issue anyway. Hydra Cap sold tons sure but now it's being overtaken by Aquaman on the same issue # no less.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-comics-november-2016-solicitations-civil-war-ii-avengers (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-comics-november-2016-solicitations-civil-war-ii-avengers)
Yeah,IVX #0...thats happening.Just noticed they have Mike Deodado--drawing Thanos?Seriously?I guess Foolkiller sounds interesting.Bemis is pretty good with comedy.
Spiderman/Deadpool #11 is yet another fill in issue-where they meet Penn and Teller.I can live with that.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cqz6gj8WcAAwCHW.jpg:small)
Moo?Marvel Universe?Also,notice the creative team?
Yeah, about that.....I recently rewatched Death Note and was reminded of this during one of the eyecatches....
"Mu", as part of Buddist/Zen beliefs, is Japanese, Chinese AND Korean for "Nothingness".
I have a bad feeling about this....
Also, I know it gets said all the time, but arc fatigue.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on August 27, 2016, 07:49:09 AM
Yeah, about that.....I recently rewatched Death Note and was reminded of this during one of the eyecatches....
"Mu", as part of Buddist/Zen beliefs, is Japanese, Chinese AND Korean for "Nothingness".
I have a bad feeling about this....
Also, I know it gets said all the time, but arc fatigue.
And is also a mythological lost continent.But Im guess this is just a new event.
BTW,why are Marvels teasers always lazy Photoshop templates?
(http://www.theouthousers.com/images/jce/S.F._Jude_Terror/2016/08/marvel-now-champions.jpg)
See this cover?
(http://www.theouthousers.com/images/jce/S.F._Jude_Terror/2016/08/Change_the_World_21-600x922.jpg)
(http://www.theouthousers.com/images/jce/S.F._Jude_Terror/2016/08/Change_the_World_11-600x922.jpg)
Notice the copy/paste work there?And yes,there are three more.
So what's the significance of the creative team? McNiven been on all sorts of stuff. Bunn makes me think it's a Deadpool mini. Not sure what it'd be.
Wouldn't put it past Marvel to misdirect with those two letters, given what they mean to Marvel fans. Normally I'd be snarky to suggest Marvel are a bunch of nihilists who want to destroy everything, but here it might be appropriate.
Doesn't really bother me that it's a photoshop using pre-existent art. that happens all the time.
Anyway, read New Avengers and Uncanny Avengers.
New Avengers:-Not sure what to say about them ripping off a twenty-year old Simpsons joke during a pretty dramatic story. Seems odd tone wise, though it was definitely going for the same kind of dark humor as the original bit. I felt like this issue wanted to be way more awesome and narratively satisfying than it actually was.
Spoiler
The prospect of Songbird being on a team with Hulkling and Wiccan apart from the "U.S. Avengers" is appealing to me though. Hope that goes somewhere.
This was a fantastic end to a pretty darn good arc. Very satisfied with it. Art by Pepe Larraz was great. Much better than Rage of Ultron.
Spoiler
Loved that Hank character assassination by Rememder in Rage of Ultron wasn't brought up once in this arc. It was laid on thick throughout the whole thing that Ultron's either controlling/corrupting Hank, or the real Hank is dead and Ultron is "wearing his skin" (it's arguably the good thing that the story doesn't give us a definitive answer). I'm surprised Starfox's attempt to turn Ultron good in RoU never came up at all. They completely went in the other direction. Ultron's plan in this one was actually quite chilling. I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing what comes of this storyline, and when Hank/Ultron appears again.
In Captain America news:
Spoiler
-Hydra Cap kills Red Ghost. Personally I don't really care about Red Ghost, and I'm pretty sure he's been dead before.
-Spencer finally brought in the new Quasar again. Figured it had to be in his Cap run.
-Bit of a tie-in with Thunderbolts with Bucky and Kovik showing up.
Newsrama has a theory that it stands for Marvel United,because the previous teaser was "Divided we Stand".
Well,Bunn has a very mixed record IMO.McNiven is mostly okay,but he has a bit of a problem with deadlines.But I would need more info anyway.
Funny story,but I got the feeling New Avengers were meant to channel the cinematic style of (various),but never really lives up to that.Just for reference;which Simpsons joke exactly?
QuoteJust for reference;which Simpsons joke exactly?
In an early Halloween special, the Comic Book Guy is walking down the street, reading an Aquaman comic (don't tell Benton! ^_^) saying "But Aquaman, you can't marry a woman without gills! You're from too different worlds!" (that's actually funnier in retrospect, but not for the reasons they intended). Then a meteor (or a missile, can't remember) immediately flies towards him and his final words before he dies are "Oooh, I've wasted my life!". That line was actually the signature of a member of this community back in the MyFF days.
Here, it's used in virtually the exact same gallows humor context, but without the context for
why the entities in question would say they've wasted their life. Which I found made it a very pandering and lame reference indeed. Incidentally, in an issue of Amazing Spider-Man, Dan Slott also had the Living Brain utter "Why was I programmed to feel pain?!"
I forgot to mention, the same issue of NA for some reason (presumably so we know he's a bad man) has Agent Garrett say (while dissing Maria Hill) "God, I love the patriarchy". Seriously? Stop, Marvel. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself. Who talks like that?
I wazzzted my life. :) I remember now.
Because they worked for The Maker?Funny how some things like The-Radioactive-Man-movie episode got funnier and more relevant later on.
It was meant to be funny because nobody talks like that?But fell a bit short.Uncle Ruckus,he is not. :rolleyes:
(http://www.theouthousers.com/images/jce/S.F._Jude_Terror/2016/08/mu2.jpg)
McNiven didnt last long there.
Greg Land and Cullen Bunn? Kinda a perfect storm there....
Quote from: Talavar on August 30, 2016, 02:22:34 PM
Greg Land and Cullen Bunn? Kinda a perfect storm there....
They had practice with Uncanny X-men.Yeah,thats how much Marvel cared.
LAAAAND!
They used to say there was something called "The Uncanny Curse" where for the last ten years ago or so, Uncanny would suck no matter what creative team was on it. Considering it's had the likes of Brubaker, Fraction and Gillen (whose run, IMO, was almost good) it's hard to dispute that.
Gillen did a good job,BUT AvX happened.Which he does manage to write around,but its obvious he had other plans.And at least a few more issues mapped out.I know I said it,but X-men spinoffs have been better then the main book in the past dozen years.Pretty much every incarnation of X-force was really good.
Brubakers Rise and Fall of ShiAr empire was good.Discounting the fact he takes a retcon hammer to Giant Size X-men #1.And is really just a prequel to War of the Kings.
Fractions run Im not that familiar with.Land was also on the art duties then?Whole San Francisko era was a bit of a filler,IMO.And Fraction gave us: Scott Summers,owner of a jet-pack.
But his Hawkeye,Iron Fist and Iron Man(up to a point) were pretty good,no denying that.
An earlier discussion,but I remembered one thing Paul Jenkins did good.Marvel Knight Inhumans.You would think thats a terrible combination,but it works out.Its the only take on the Inhumans thats really count IMO.Since it also shows the darker side of their society,and how would humans react to that,and does a pretty subtle job at using Terrigenesis as a metaphor for puberty.Its actually pretty hard to believe Jenkins wrote this.
(http://cbr.imgix.net/2016/08/upload.png?auto=format&lossless=1&q=40&w=791&h=1087&fit=crop)
So its an anthology of some kind?Also,what I said about lazy photoshoped teasers still stands.
Now I'm just confused.
Well, seems Cullen Bunn is a given :P
Unless they start changing that, too :wacko:
Well, given his work on Aquaman, I'm sorry for you Marvel folks that Bunn is involved in this.
Quote from: BentonGrey on August 31, 2016, 11:22:16 PM
Well, given his work on Aquaman, I'm sorry for you Marvel folks that Bunn is involved in this.
Im sure his Lobo was way worst.Way worst.There was also Sinestro,but I didnt read that so I cant say was it any good.
On Marvel side,he does an okay job with Deadpool titles.And that's kinda it.Not really my first choice to write Marvel Universe.If MU really stands for that in this case.
Thunderbolts #4 An outbreak of Youngblood disease!Run for your lives!And so much censored swearing.Every other word is ****. How edgy.
Squadron Supreme shows up to remind everyone they killed Namor.I see this is becoming a Doctor Light thing.Just change you name to We-Killed-Namor Squadron and get it over with.And not like that's gonna stick btw.
Looking at the letters page for the past 4 issues-90% of the readers asked if Bucky and Steve are going to hook up,and other 10% thought everything about the comic is super-special-awesome.Seriously,NOBODY had anything negative to say about this?NOBODY?
X-men 92 #6 Deaths Head shows up!What more do you want from a comic? :)
MU has a new teaser.Not worth posting,since its exactly the same as the previous 3.Only exception being that Lenlil Yu is now listed as the artist.
Bunn is scaring off artists at an alarming rate.
The "MU" Mystery is finally revealed! It's multiple artists on a huge event!
(http://media.comicbook.com/2016/09/monsters-unleashed-197928.jpg)
Monsters Unleashed will be a series featuring classic Marvel monsters being introduced into new stories with all of the previously listed artists involved PLUS all alternate covers during that month will feature monsters as well.
More details coming this weekend.
- CQ
Quote from: Spade on September 01, 2016, 06:02:40 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on August 31, 2016, 11:22:16 PM
Well, given his work on Aquaman, I'm sorry for you Marvel folks that Bunn is involved in this.
Im sure his Lobo was way worst.Way worst.There was also Sinestro,but I didnt read that so I cant say was it any good.
On Marvel side,he does an okay job with Deadpool titles.And that's kinda it.Not really my first choice to write Marvel Universe.If MU really stands for that in this case.
Thunderbolts #4 An outbreak of Youngblood disease!Run for your lives!And so much censored swearing.Every other word is ****. How edgy.
Squadron Supreme shows up to remind everyone they killed Namor.I see this is becoming a Doctor Light thing.Just change you name to We-Killed-Namor Squadron and get it over with.And not like that's gonna stick btw.
Looking at the letters page for the past 4 issues-90% of the readers asked if Bucky and Steve are going to hook up,and other 10% thought everything about the comic is super-special-awesome.Seriously,NOBODY had anything negative to say about this?NOBODY?
X-men 92 #6 Deaths Head shows up!What more do you want from a comic? :)
Sinestro was awesome, had a cool issue where Sinestro makes Warworld his Mogo and the one where he teams up with Black Adam, and the one where he grins smugly.
Isnt Sinestro smug in every issue? :rolleyes:
Im cool with Monsters Unleashed.Im not so sure about Bunn,like I said.
Another piece of news:after Death of X and Inhumans Vs X-men;we get X-Men/Inhumans Resurrxion.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/01/a-look-inside-death-of-x-ivx-and-the-free-promotional-calendar-from-marvel/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/01/a-look-inside-death-of-x-ivx-and-the-free-promotional-calendar-from-marvel/)
Let me guess,they plan to turn all mutants into inhumans and thus create a legal loophole?Or just show how Inhumans are kewler because Marvel still owns the movie rights to them.Or something.
Anyhow that's 3 X-men events one right after another.Just after still going CW2 and recently finished Apocalypse Wars.Overkill?
Btw,long story short,Marvel motivated the comic-focused part of the internet to discuss direct market and its influence on new readers(the lack of them) in these past few days.Funny how everyone is saying pretty much the same things we said last week in the DC thread.
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/features/136176-doubling-down-comics-is-burning-and-im-playing-the-fiddle.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/features/136176-doubling-down-comics-is-burning-and-im-playing-the-fiddle.html)
So...Marvel Previews
I noticed the upcoming Captain America arc is called Hail Hydra.First collection of this series is also named Hail Hydra.Spencer is just so full of ideas,isn't he?
Thunderbolts do get a new artist. :) And Songbird will (re)join the team.
Kaine is back for Clone Conspiracy.Told ya he survived Spider-Verse.Also Cage is co-writing it,so that gives me some hope in the event.
Quote from: Spade on September 05, 2016, 06:38:24 AM
So...Marvel Previews
I noticed the upcoming Captain America arc is called Hail Hydra.First collection of this series is also named Hail Hydra.Spencer is just so full of ideas,isn't he?
Thunderbolts do get a new artist. :) And Songbird will (re)join the team.
Kaine is back for Clone Conspiracy.Told ya he survived Spider-Verse.Also Cage is co-writing it,so that gives me some hope in the event.
Oh thank god, that Liefeld-Esque Art was just the spinach in the broccoli of bad in that book, literally the only reason I'm even bothering catching up on it online is to finally find out how they got Fixer back to the current timeline. I freaking hope they don't just handwave it as "The Molecule Man did it" just like how Miles is just ok with how literally more than 75% of the people he knows are gone. Aah Songbird, damn then I guess New Avengers is really cancelled and not being written alongside USAvengers. Clone Conspiracy, man how much are they gonna reuse that idea for another event? Then again reusing events seem to be Marvel's forte. I sure hope that teased "Divided We Fall" thing is actually supposed to be about the thing in Falcon's book about how Hydra planted multiple Sleeper Agents in all the super teams AND not just another damn stupid Hero vs Hero event. You can't go a month in Marvel without Heroes beating the crap out of each other.
Sleeper agents in the hero teams... didn't the Skrulls already do that?
(http://www.theouthousers.com/images/jce/S.F._Jude_Terror/2016/09/SquirrelAndRaccoonCover.jpg)
Well,that actually looks interesting.But it will probably turn out to be just a prequel for Guardians of Galaxy VS Mercs for Money or something along those lines. :rolleyes:
And a bit of an old news at this point,but Marvel started their own loot crate service.Im sure that will boost their "sales" in no time.
Quote from: Spade on September 05, 2016, 06:38:24 AM
So...Marvel Previews
I noticed the upcoming Captain America arc is called Hail Hydra.First collection of this series is also named Hail Hydra.Spencer is just so full of ideas,isn't he?
Actually, there was a Cap miniseries a few years ago also called "Hail Hydra". So a lot of Captain America Hail Hydra out there. The second trade of Spencer's arc could be called Hail Hydra vol. 2. I've seen that before, and it is an ongoing storyline.
I did see that "Year of Marvels" Infnite Comics storyline before, but I'm pretty sure it's an anthology series with a different character or characters in every issue. The first issue focused on Spider-Man for example.
I meant that this team up of Rocket and Tippy Toe looks interesting.
I kinda thought Monsters Unleashed would be a series or an anthology,but its an event.
Monsters invade Marvel Earth,heroes have to fight them on individual basis in their own books,and so on.Yeah,nothing like that Batman event going on.
At least it doesnt count like heroes fighting heroes,right?
Once again,Marvel Previews
-Bunch of IvX stuff
-Spiderman/Deadpool #12 is another filler issue :rolleyes:
-X-men '92 end with #10.For once,I hope thats just a renumbering
-Deadpool Back in Black
-Zub and Malin will not leave Thunderbolts after all #UpYoursMarvel
-Doctor Stange/Punisher series.Inspired by a SW tie-in,I guess.But its still a weird team up.
Foolkiller looks interesting,I guess?
Quote-Spiderman/Deadpool #12 is another filler issue
Yeah, this bugs me. They supposedly need to keep doing this to "give Kelly and Mcguinness enough time to do their storyline". But I call bullcrap.
No other book that I'm aware of does this. If it's that hard to get Kelly and McGuinness to get the book out on time, get a fill-in artist. I don't take such a statement lightly, because I really like Mcguinness' art, but having the story come on on a regular basis is more important. I think I would say that about any book, by any creative team.
Quote-Zub and Malin will not leave Thunderbolts after all #UpYoursMarvel
Yeah, I was going to comment on that. Little disappointing that Malin's staying on as artist, but oh well. I was never under the impression that Zub was leaving. Anyway, I don't have as much of a problem with Zub, he's not great but I don't think he's terrible.
Speaking of T-Bolts, I just read the latest issue, and I've got a few things to say about it:
-There wasn't a lot of plot to it. Mostly a fight scene and some stuff with Bucky. Not much of a T-Bolts issue.
-I found it noticeable in both this issue and the last (I meant to comment on it last issue) that Malin is, like the 90's artist he emulates, a very poor storyteller.
-The issue features an image of the Death of Captain America, and it looks pretty bad drawn by Malin.
-In the letters page someone asks about Fixer's time travel shenanigans and the editor says issue #6 will have the answers. Good to hear.
Also the cover is a homage to Amazing Spider-man #129.And somebody in the letter pages isnt asking if Steve and Bucky will hook up?Thats the first.
New Avengers are in their final lap.If there is one thing that is Ewings own,its the sudden mood shifts.From standard superhero fight to Tippy Toe convincing Vermins rats to go on a strike,to a named character getting shot in the head.
SM/DP #9 was pretty good.We get two new villains and the bromance is dialed up to 11.Whose costume is Shekilah wearing?I didnt get that reference.
On the fill in issues,I would understand if the book was bi-weekly,but here Im not sure whats the need.I guess Kelly and Mcguiness have other projects?Or they are finishing the next 39 issues in advance.
So stuff from NYCC
-Deadpool the Duck series.Cuz that makes sense.
-Thunderbolts #10 is an oversized anniversary issue.A back-up story by Busiek and Bagley features the return of Jolt.
-Alex Wilder from Runaways will return.As one of the most important villains in the Marvel universe.
Ooh, I really hope Werewolf By Night will get some major comic page time.
Edit: Darn, I just saw that Spade said this may be an event and not a series...poop!
Dana
Quote from: crimsonquill on September 02, 2016, 05:10:08 AM
The "MU" Mystery is finally revealed! It's multiple artists on a huge event!
(http://media.comicbook.com/2016/09/monsters-unleashed-197928.jpg)
Monsters Unleashed will be a series featuring classic Marvel monsters being introduced into new stories with all of the previously listed artists involved PLUS all alternate covers during that month will feature monsters as well.
More details coming this weekend.
- CQ
Its an event.Monsters from Marvels pre-superhero days are invading Earth,or so the previews say.
Gonna have to dissapoint you,I think Deadpool killer Warewolf when he caught him with his wife.
Also,not that anyone cares,but it looks like Demolition Man is gay now.
Yeah, I know about Deadpool shooting Jack's head off :( , but Jack also died at the end of
Mrs Deadpool and the Howling Commandos miniseries.
I'm guessing he'll come back yet again at some point.
Dana
Quote from: Spade on November 11, 2016, 01:18:09 PM
Its an event.Monsters from Marvels pre-superhero days are invading Earth,or so the previews say.
Gonna have to dissapoint you,I think Deadpool killer Warewolf when he caught him with his wife.
Also,not that anyone cares,but it looks like Demolition Man is gay now.
Remember Larry Talbot (paraphrased): "I can't die..."
Empress has a pretty impressive ending.Im willing to overlook a bit of deux ex machina there.There will be a sequel. :thumbup:
Venom #1 So yeah,we got a new Venom.Who is bit more on the villainous side.As far as origin stories go,it was okay.Sandoval is still trying to channel Todd McFarlane,but it mostly works here,so I can forgive that.
New Avengers #18 mostly does a lot of setup.For US Avengers,Thunderbolts and a new Power Man and Iron Fist series.So I guess that's happening.
Thunderbolts #7 Yey,Songbird is back.And that's pretty much it.Artwork is a bit better.But granted,after Malin,everyone would look like Chris Weston.That is,everything would look really good,for those who missed the reference.
Here's a limited comics roundup from me. I'm hoping to write up more in the future but for now, this is what I've got:
FR comic comments:
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New Avengers #18: First we had Garrett saying he loves the patriarchy like the cartoon character he is, then in the previous issue he complained about how how much flak you get for being prejudiced against mutants, and now in this issue the two White Tigers randomly reference the Bechdel test for no particularly good reason. Man, Al Ewing is really playing Bingo here isn't he? On a more positive note, Hulkling and Wiccan talk about a possible Young Avengers reunion. Yes please!
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Thunderbolts #7: -While the art for the last two issues is certainly better than Malin, the faces can be a bit odd in places. As a result characters (Cap and Bucky being the biggest offenders) manage to overact in a comic book.
-Fixer says "We followed Zemo and Norman Osborn before." An odd comment to make, considering Songbird and Moonstone were the only ones there who worked under Osborn. In fact Fixer and Abe helped Songbird go against Osborn.
-Captain America: "That's Funny, I thought they called you 'Maria Hill, Director Pending Criminal Investigation'" Ooh, sick burn!
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Guardians of the Galaxy #14: Ah nuts, this issue was pure filler. It was fun but filler regardless. I do find it amusing that at one point Kevin Mcguire draws Drax just like he drew J'onn J'onnz in the JLI run in the late 80's early 90's.
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Guardians of the Galaxy #15: As soon as I started reading this issue my immediate reaction was "Oh screw you Bendis". A entire issue devoted to the Thing and Bendis' Iron Man run. Bendis, if I wanted to read The Thing, I'd read Fantastic Four, Dan Slott's Thing series, or Marvel Two-In-One. If I wanted to read Iron Man, I'd read that. But I bought a comic called Guardians of the Galaxy so where the frak are they? Also according to Bendis Thing considers being in "Atlantis Attacks" (and yes, he phrased it like that like he's breaking the fourth wall) one of the saddest things he's ever witnessed. Glass houses and stones, B.
Spoilers desu, including the now-spoiled fate of Tony Stark:
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-Bendis writes Thing out of the book. Good. Then we can get to some actual Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, I know it sucks that Perlmutter put the kibosh on FF but I don't read Guardians of the Galaxy for the Thing. Though I do find it amusing that issue starts with Ben being super bummed out, waxing nostalgic for the FF, and being told by shopkeepers that he's the greatest and being giving free stuff and even money. It's like Bendis giving his own two-finger salute to Perlmutter.
-According to this comic, Tony Stark is dead (not a big surprise) and the media/Stark Industries/superhero community (???) are covering it up.
Eh,Ewing is nothing if not cartoonish. :rolleyes:
From what I saw (people complain about it,as usual) Infamous Iron Man came out before GotG ended,and pretty much spoiled everything.Or at least the part about Thing working for the SHIELD now.
That's not actually the last issue of GotG though, they advertise the next issue in the book itself.
Speaking of Marvel spoiling books in other books, I meant to talk about this for a while but I'll get straight to the point. Champions #1 spoiled the ending to Astonishing Ant-Man. But of course it's Ant-Man, so noone except me cared.
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Ms Marvel says that she's been spending her free time writing fanfic, and Miles says "Tell me you're not shipping me with Stinger". As soon as I read that I felt confident that this wasn't just Waid not actually understanding the plot in Ant-Man or not doing the research and messing up the reference, and that it was in fact a spoiler for Ant-Man. And guess what? I was right. The ending of Ant-Man has Cassie Lang publicly fighting crime as Stinger. See, if Champions #1 came before the end of Ant-Man, then those characters would have NO WAY of knowing who Stinger was, since her existence wasn't public at the time and the other iterations of the character are from alternate universes and Miles ect wouldn't be privy to them. Ant-Man explicitly takes place before Civil War II, Which Champions takes place AFTER, so there's no doubt about it. The only way the line would have worked otherwise if it Miles referenced Cassie's earlier identity of Stature. And that's all ignoring how creepy it is that Kamala apparently writes shipping fanfic of her close fellow superheroes and they treat it as business as usual.
Now don't take that to mean I dislike Champions. Three issues in, I actually quite like it. And yes, I'm now a fan of Viv Vision.
And btw,CW2 is apparently still ongoing.Why do their events always end up running so late,their aftermaths start halfway into the event book itself?
Well, I dunno about the other events, but I was told that the main artist for CW2 just had a child with his wife, so he couldn't get the art done on time and several artists are filling in. Marvel might want to consider either setting up multiple artists to begin with (worked for AVX, actually of the few things about AVX that did work) or assigning an artist who's really good at meeting deadlines. But the problem is those sorts of artists, your Tom Grummets, your Ron Lims, your Andrea DiVito, aren't sexy in-vogue artists who bring that "widescreen action". Actually I find a fair number of the big artists working at Marvel overrated, so I wouldn't be shook up by that. Plus I value the story more. I value the story coming out on time.
Which brings me back to Champions spoiling the ending of Ant-Man. It was completely unnecessary. In the case of Civil War II and Secret Wars, you have to move forward. You just have to. But there was no reason to spoil Ant-Man in Champions; the plot didn't hinge on it; and for a groaner of a joke to boot.
If only they somehow knew that he was going to have a child a planed accordingly...
(http://www.theouthousers.com/images/templates/thumbnails/136071//babies_size3.jpg)
Wow, that pic of Bendis is horrifying.
They really need to start having these events complete before they start publishing them at this point. The delays are getting ridiculous.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on December 18, 2016, 12:56:59 PM
Wow, that pic of Bendis is horrifying.
Best Uncle Fester cosplay ever. :)
Venom #2 was okay.I like the fact the dynamic is reversed;with the symbiote being the good one here.TBF,as everyone said,it does bear similarites to Darkness,but it doesnt bother me all that much.
And btw,I thought the symbiote has a weakness to fire?Another thing everybody mentioned.
Let's do a comics roundup:
1. Guardians of the Galaxy's new creative team will be Gary Duggan and Aaron Kuder. (http://ca.ign.com/articles/2017/01/10/all-new-guardians-of-the-galaxy-comic-features-baby-groot-and-pacifist-drax)
I'm fine with Duggan as the writer. I like him fine and he's proven he can blend humor and drama. I also trust him to actually have a direction unlike Bendis who really didn't seem to have much to say about anything other than "Aren't Kitty Pryde and Ben Grimm great characters? Don't you love these characters? I'm so glad I get to write these characters in
my book". Both of those characters are out so hopefully it'll feel more like an actual Guardians book. Groot will be Baby Groot in it.
I'm not happy about the art either. I'm not familiar with Kuder, but the cover is by him and I find the cover art rather ugly. It reminds me a lot of someone, but I can't think of who. Then again, I can take solace in the fact that he won't be on for long. Few artists are.
2. The next Marvel event maybe "The Secret Empire" as in the thing from Captain America. I don't really have anything to add to that, since we know pretty nothing about it other than a story is being teased involving TSE. If it's an event comic and it has tie-ins, I'll at least pick up the tie-ins that are in books I buy, but other than that I don't want to jump to conclusions. I need more info.
3. Bendis is doing a Defenders series with David Marquez, starring Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones. Makes sense. I like to rag on Bendis, but I've got no issue with him doing a book like this since it is his element and on Avengers he was always pretty upfront about his interest in writing those two and putting a lot of emphasis on them, and while I found their were quite a few problems with Bendis' Avengers run, I wouldn't say would Luke and Jessica were among them.
4. Here's an interview I looked at for Jim Zub's Thunderbolts, Zemo and the Anniversary issue. (http://www.cbr.com/interview-jim-zub-baron-zemo-thunderbolts-anniversary/) On the one hand, he sounds like he has a good handle on Zemo as a character. On the other hand, *sigh* more Malin art. Watch as every member of the T-Bolts displays the same slack-jawed expression:
Dull Suprise!Bagley's art, on the other hand, looks great. It's especially neat to see him draw Jolt's energy form. We now know that the Busiek and Bagley story will actually be the prologue to the issue. Sounds pretty sweet to me. I can't wait to see the O.G. Thunderbolts creative team run circles around the current one.
Zub also says that when he got the gig, he read every issue of Thunderbolts ever and took notes. I think that's great, but I find it disappointing that he read all that and still writes Atlas as more of a meathead that I'd prefer.
On that note, here's my comments on two books I read recently:
Thunderbolts #8: Malin's back...and I could swear his art is worse than ever! Ugly faces, lousy anatomy in places, poor storytelling and composition, and vaguely defined backgrounds. On the plus side:
Spoiler
Ghost!
Uncanny Avengers #18: I saw this issue has a different artist (Kevin Lebranda, who I've never heard of) so I was looking forward to seeing what he's like.Turns out he's pretty good. Particularly, he draws a effectively menacing Red Skull, and since this is an issue that puts the spotlight on him, that suits me fine. It's also a spotlight issue for Quicksilver, who I'm a big fan of.
Spoiler
This exchange stood out to me:
Red Skull to Quicksilver: "You're Gene-Trash. You're not even the garbage you thought you were." You gotta rub it in, don'tcha Marvel?
"Nobody loves you." Clearly Fox does.
A full-page splash of one of my favorite characters, Quicksilver, with blood running down his nose and tears running down his eyes, as Red Skull mind-r&pes him. Oh, Marvel. Don't stop never stopping. But seriously, I'm still really enjoying this book and that includes this Red-Skull/QS plot.
-I got the feeling Zub read maybe the first tpb and said "Yeah,okay,I got this".But Im impressed if he did read every issue.
-Secret Empire had a role in the USavenger #1.They piloted a heli-volcano.And thats only the 5th most random thing in the issue.But I leave that for another day.
-Defenders were to be expected.And Bendis does some like the natural choice for the netflixian direction of them.Should we be worried that Bendis now has Thing,Doctor Doom and(I think) Ultimate Reed?
Quote from: Spade on January 12, 2017, 05:34:07 PM
-Defenders were to be expected.And Bendis does some like the natural choice for the netflixian direction of them.Should we be worried that Bendis now has Thing,Doctor Doom and(I think) Ultimate Reed?
WHERE'S MAH HULK STRANGE&NAMOR?! (AND VALKYRIE NIGHTHAWK HELLCAT HELLSTROM GARGYOLE—) {Is shot}
Seriously though, I get that they're trying to promote the TV show and all, and I don't have a problem with making the Defenders a street-level team in an adaptation, but this isn't an adaptation. This is the comics, and the Defenders in the comics are far from street level.
So in February, starting next week, there will be $1 reprints of Wolverine comics, including:
-"Wolverine Vs. Hulk" (the first appearance of Wolverine)
- Wolverine #1 (the first issue of the original Frank Miller miniseries set in Japan)
- "Wolverine - Save the Tiger" (a story that ran in Marvel Comics Presents)
- "Wolverine - Weapon X" (the original Barry Windsor-Smith story)
- "Wolverine - Origin" (the first issue of the original Origin miniseries)
- Wolverine - Enemy of the State, "Wolverine - X23" (the first issue of the original X23 mini)
- Wolverine and the X-Men #1, Wolverine - Old Man Logan (based on the cover, it's the 2nd mini, from 2015)
- All-New Wolverine #1.
Obviously to promote the new movie Logan, because apparently Marvel's willing to promote the X-Men movies after all. (well, apparently the Inhumans vs X-Men B.S is about to end) I've got about half of those, so I'm going to get the ones I don't have yet.
In addition, the April solicits just came out and they're doing the same thing with X-Men.
-X-Men (1961) #1
-Giant Size X-Men
-New Mutants #1
-"Cable & The New Mutants #1" (the first appearance of Cable in New Mutants)
-X-Force #1
-"X-Men Blue #1" (the first issue of the 90's Jim Lee X-Men series)
-"X-Men Gold #1" (the first issue of 90's "Gold" team in Uncanny X-Men)
-Generation X #1
-Astonishing X-Men #1
I would guess this batch is to promote the new line of X-Men comics. Once again I've got roughly half of these, but I'll pick up the ones I don't have yet.
Speaking of the new wave of X-men;few of the upcoming #1 will be 4,99 and biweekly titles will still be 3,99.
They really want all the money.
Eh. I can't just work up any kind of outrage over prize increases in comics anymore. I just kinda accept it. On the other hand I hated when Netflix raised the rates twice in a year. But unlike Netflix, at least Marvel, et all let you KEEP the comics you bought.
Here's another comics roundup:
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Thunderbolts #9: Not bad. Probably one of Malin's better efforts, not that that's saying a lot. The Power Rangers-esque suiting up sequence was cute (especially Fixer's "Kiss Tha Fix!" coffee mug. Nice.) I also enjoyed Fixer's "Sleep is for the weak." I can relate. And of course,
Spoiler
GHOST!
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Nova #2 & 3: Death's Head! I notice Richie Rider claims DH has a Canadian accent. Is that actually a reference to David Kaye's Megatron from Beast Wars and his tendency to end his sentences with a "Yes"? If so, neat.
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Champions #5: Gwenpool guest stars! And she doesn't really add much. She's really only there to be a not-terribly-well-written strawman for the others (mostly Ms. Marvel, naturally) to wag their finger at and tell her she's wrong. I also don't feel it was a good ambassador for the character. I knew literally nothing about this character (other than that she started out as a Gwen Stacy-themed variant cover) until the day the book came out, and only one element (that she's from the "real world", like Superboy Prime) comes up in the book.
As for the issue itself, it's a super topical (not sure if intentional, but wouldn't be surprise)
Very Special Issue about how life's complicated and bigotry and police corruption is not necessarily the work of a super villain's scheme. I've enjoyed this book, but it's undeniably the super-political counterpart to Waid's apolitical All New Avengers (which I've mentioned before, and I'm still thoroughly enjoying.) The book is entirely a power fantasy for young people i.e. what would I do if I had superpowers and could use them to solve the world's problems? I'd really enjoy seeing an issue/story where they overextend their reach and abuse their power and get a dressing down for it (that sorta happened in a earlier issue, but not quite and it came down pretty positive in the end) But I kinda doubt that's going to happen in this book. Then again, I already saw that done well (Cable & Deadpool), poorly (AVX) and "awesome at the time, has probably aged poorly" (Ultimates) so there you go. Anyway, this is the issue where the political activist superhero premise tows the line a bit.
Gwenpool's strawman role in the story is kinda where the premise falters a bit. She claims on her world in "these kinds of stories" it's always a villain plot. The hell Marvel comics was she reading? Clearly she never read Spider-Man. Or X-Men. Or you know, as detailed by others on this forum, literally anything by Steve Ditko ever. Superheroes are often belittled and judged by the people they protect, who often aren't supervillains but rather just jerks. . Hell, it's pretty much the A plot of Waid's Avengers Point-One flashback issues.
Ms. Marvel's also kind of a bully in this book. I said in my review of that annual that she's selfish, hypocritical, and wants to enforce her own will over others (at least where fanfic is concerned) but in this book she's a major killjoy to almost every other character on the team. In this issue she makes the other members agree to "no punching down", an admirable thing to encourage right around now, but when she says and does this kind of thing in every issue, and pretty much every
scene, it basically makes her...well, as discussed in Benton's Bronze Age thread about Green Arrow....Lisa Simpson. While I haven't read her ongoing, I'm genuinely curious what Kamala Khan would have to say or do in a story to make her fans turn on either her or the writer for it.
The weird paradox thing from a critique standpoint is I can't really blame Waid for any of it...from what I've seen Ms. M is 100% in character. It's just that character is a brat. I can totally put the blame on him for how Gwenpool was used in this issue though.
Only problem is,its a shared universe(Marvel universe,no less),you cant solve the worlds problem.Because that would move too far from ours and you cant have that.
Which is to say,Im really tired of that plot.And Im tired of Mark Waid,for that matter.
See, I really like Waid. Haven't read his Daredevil, so can't really critique it first hand. But to me, this issue has me thinking of the hypothetical video game that's a great game but has a story that you might find reprehensible. In this case it's I really like the writer, and I'm ok with the artist [Ramos], and I love teen superhero books, and I really like all but one of these characters, and the one I don't like as much I can enjoy if she's not being preachy, but I'm not sure I want it to be Social Justice: the comic. Which it totally is. Supposedly we're getting a villain team in an issue or two, so we'll see about that.
We all liked Waid.Mark Waid,the comic writer,not Mark Waid,the influential twitter writer of today.
Eh,I guess its hard to separate the work from the creator(and vice versa) these days.
And yet, he can't stand Rich Johnston, which makes him all right in my book. And yes, I feel the exact same way about Greg Capullo. And Ron Marz. Not Slott though. #NeverSlott
Well,nobody can stand Rich.
With the risk of sounding like a jerk,I had waaaay more of Waids rants then I asked for,and for free even.Also,from everything I gathered so far,I don't see the draw of Champions.There is hardly anything there that hasn't been done better before.Or currently.
Oh I'm pretty sure I passed "jerk" a galaxy ago. If I was on a different comic site talking bad about Kamala Khan I'd probably be getting death threats by now.
Well I'm lucky, I would guess I've read way less of Waid's rants than you have. And I imagine I'm better off that way.
That's fine if you're not interested. I don't imagine you'd like the stuff I just described. As for your other comment, well, I'm struggling to think of another young heroes team book I could be buying right now. Young Allies got cancelled, Young Avengers got cancelled, Avengers Academy got cancelled, Avengers Arena/Undercover got cancelled, and I was sour on that one by the end anyway, I'm not buying All-New X-Men cuz X-Men and cuz I don't like Hopeless, I sure as hell am not buying an Inhumans book, and Generation X isn't out yet. Over on the DC front we've got Titans. I just got the trade of Titans Hunt, I haven't read it yet. And I'm not really that interested in Teen Titans Or Red Hood and the Outsiders at the moment. I already buy the trades of TMNT.
I think that's it.
Actually, I just looked at Tv Tropes page for Champions and apparently I'm not alone in thinking the socio political issues aren't being handled as well as they could be. Then again, they also say Ms. Marvel is a "Moe" who is "always happy". Hmm, based on what I've read I'd say she's more of a Tsundere, and I usually don't like those type of characters in anime and manga...
Yeah,Titans are pretty good so far.I think I commented a lot upon it in DC thread.
Now that you mentioned it,I admit I cant name a lot of teen(or so) superhero on-goings.I could name far too many comics trying to be relevant,on the other hand.
Nothing against Waid personally,he really just ended up being an example here.
Haven't weighed in in awhile though I don't have much to say for House Of Ideas. To me this feels like the usual character expansion run, toss out a bunch of characters, so which ones stick and shove the rest under the rug with Echo. I like the costume designs, I'll give it that. For titles in short.
Champions is meh. Reads like a Saturday morning cartoon pitch. These characters were either better reads in Avengers and/or their native books. USAvengers...I liked NA but this is almost trying to be too out there. The former book didn't let me down so we'll see where it goes. I could care less about Ironheart. The Doom book is acceptable. Thunderbolts is so so but not really riveting. Might Captain Marvel did not impress me out of the gate. Occupy and Ultimates 2 are probably my favorite Avengerish books. Hawkeye is in it's own zone but reads well. Totally Awesome Hulk is losing my interest while Hulk has grabbed it immediately.
ASM still is anything I expect from Slott which is good and bad and the same goes for Miles. Spider-woman and 2099 still are great reads. Prowler is an amazing read, issue #3 in particular neared book of that month for me just in prose alone. All of the X-books remained standard so standard for me as well, digestible. Deadpool, Gwenpool and related are enjoyable but when I turn to the silly books it means the mains are not going well for me in turn. Steve Rogers is captivating and The Oath probably earns #1 Marvel title of the year from me, incredibly so as the entire book was nothing but dialogue even. I can't make heads or tails of Venom. X-23's book remains interesting to me as does Logan. Could care less about the new Wasp book.
Monster Unleashed is boring. IvX is standard Vs stuff, the mini prelude read much better. Why they didn't carry over the dynamic eludes me. Characters strategies on page or all well to do but a story is nothing without personal tragedy, that's what made the first Civil War such a hit. Overall Marvel is my old buddy but it doesn't have me in anticipation each month. DC is a bit stronger reading right now at least in Action Comics and the Bat books but more than either IDW is filling the void and nailing it. Marvel needs to focus less on what jumps off the page and more on core traditional story telling technique.
Thunderbolts #10 Saddest thing is,I have seen worst anniversary issues.The first part (By Busiek and Bagley) is really the only reason to read it.There is even a sticker saying the same thing.
(http://www.comicbookcritic.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Thunderbolts_10_Cover.jpg)
Spoiler
Jolt is back.Zemo is back with Masters of Evil
,everything is great,but then Zub and Malin take over and do what they do beast.F*ck everything up.Seriously,next to Zub,Mark Millar is a master of dialogue.
Yeah, the Busiek and Bagley story was great. The main story, not quite so much. I didn't hate the writing the way you did, but I'll say this, the art sure was a downgrade from Bags, that's for sure.
Anyway, if you don't Zub's writing, you're not going to like what I'm about to post :cool:
Jim Zub taking over Uncanny Avengers. (http://www.cbr.com/jim-zub-writer-uncanny-avengers-marvel-comics/)
I'm a bit disappointed about this. Duggan's been a really solid writer on UA, and Zub is just not as good a writer. I'll probably pick it up, since it sounds like it's going to be a continuation.
The artist will be Kim Jacinto. He did some issues of Venom, which I thought where fine, but they were pretty scratchy which wouldn't fit UA. Fortunately I just looked at some more recent work by him and that was quite a bit more fitting so I'm not really worried about the art.
Well,Im not reading UA,so it doesnt really concern me.
Not surprised though either, I felt like Duggan was reaching the end of his run there anyways. Plus he's hot right now, he should be doing other ventures and applying his creative writing on more unique subjects. I look forward to seeing what he does in place of this honestly.
So the next revolutionary Nick Spencer twist is...Magneto joins Hydra for the next super mega giga event after which nothing will ever be the same.Classy as always,Nick.
That makes no freaking sense! Hydra was tied up with the Nazis. One of Magneto's first adventures was killing a whole bunch of Hydra goons that had attacked his and Charles' hospital. Mags isn't exactly one to let bygones be bygones.
Hes a Holocaust survivor;forgiving and forgeting is not an easy thing in this case.
Unless this is some poetic puchline about becoming what you hate.But this is Spencer,I doubt he could have come up with that.
Not only that, there's a fairly well known story arc (I wanna say from the 80's or 90's, I think it was during "Acts of Vengeance") where Magneto kicked Red Skull's butt and chewed him out for being a Nazi.
In addition to that, there was an issue of Uncanny X-Force where Magneto hired X-Force to assassinate a former Nazi war criminal, and he seemed very conflicted, as if he was ashamed to be doing so. You know, because Mags was a good guy at the time, X-Men don't kill (well, they're not supposed to) and that incarnation of X-Force was a secret kill squad.
^ Also, I think that's unfair to Spencer. Whatever folks think of his Cap run (I haven't personally read it, though I plan to) He's a good writer. Superior Foes, Ant-Man, that Cloak and Dagger mini he did, that .1 issue of Uncanny X-Men, that, funny enough, was a really good Magneto spotlight issue; those were all really solid books. And I thought Standoff was great, and Standoff was pretty much just an extension of his Cap run (as is Secret Empire). If his Cap run's junk, well, guess what, even good writers can write lesser work. A good example to me would Mike Carey's thoroughly mediocre Secret Invasion: X-Men mini. Or even better, Fraction's X-Men run.
Of course, taste is subjective, but I'm not even sure it's a matter of "he could not come up with that" so much as "he has his own take on things"
[edit] So after doing some research...
So it's just the variant cover that started this? As Spencer himself said, let's save our energy until the story comes out. Variant cover is not the story. The story is the story. I'd like to remind you all that the all-iconic-villains covers of Vengeance were incredibly misleading (to the point that most of the villains depicted didn't appear in the book at all, and while Mags did, he was still a good guy/member of the X-Men), and variant covers often do not reflect the story. I assumed it was actually announced that this was going to be in the book (or at the very least, that rat fink Rich Johnston blew it as an actual story twist) but if it's just the covers, let's wait and see.
And screw Rich Johnson for once again posting sensationalist B.S. and fanning the flames of controversy for the clicks and ad revenue.
[and yes, I did in fact just hear about Spencer's real life politics "incident". Personally I'd rather not hold that against him writing the book. That's all I'm going to say because real life politics]
Good ol' Hydra. Then again AIM is good now. And most of the good guys are bad. It's Opposites Day at Marvel!
@SS Ofc,its possible its just a rumor.But knowing Marvels tendency to repeat plots,it seems pretty likely.And I said it before,Superior Foes was a funny title.But Spencer is not much of an idea man from everything I saw.LOST in boarding school seems to be his limit.
All of his tweeting aside.
Now,for the new Man-Thing;I wasnt expecting Steve Gerber,but the result is still underwhelming.
A full sentient Ted/MT is trying to make a movie career.Because,if Ant Man can do it...
A clever jab at the state of movie industry,but its not really a Man Thing-thing.
I'm not enjoying my favorite Marvel monster, Werewolf By Night, being target practice every few issues of Deadpool. :angry:
I also haven't really been digging Alpha Flight's use or lack of use in Captain Marvel, but they're just there for support..I shouldn't be expecting much.
Unfortunately, another favorite of mine, Spider-Woman, I've just given up on...her series seems to have devolved into domestic nonsense.
A very sad,
Dana :(
So Marvel retailer summit...
Alonso claims a lot of people said they regreted leaving them for Image.Yes,who wouldnt regret earning twice as much?
And a really weird one,David Gabriel said that readers have come to see their diversity push as just another gimmick.It did boost sales for a while,but they ended up alienating a lot of older fans and now the books outside "core Marvel" are not selling that great.Not like everyone warned them that would happen.
Yeah, it's not surprising that happened. It's surprising they're surprised.
I've heard one online reviewer person speculate that the diversity push is Marvel's preemptive "backup plan" for when Chris Evans, Downey, ect, are done with the movies and they need to replace them. Supposedly fans are so attached to their versions of the characters that recasting won't cut it. I'm personally not sure I buy that, but it's not the worst idea.
I think the part that irks me is how short-sighted and goldfish-like Marvel is about it all. They don't seem to care about the young, diverse heroes they already have and thus feel the need to make new ones that will probably fade into obscurity or be killed off in a few years if they don't stand the test of time. Consider Kate Bishop. An already existing character. The only reason she now has her own book is because Fraction made a point to use her in his Hawkeye run. Squirrell Girl would never have gotten her own book if writers like Dan Slott and Bendis didn't make a point to revive her and have her pop up in other books (her original story was already a kinda internet meme anecdote in the superdickery mold, or Hostage Fruit Pies or Forty Cakes, so she had that advantage). By comparison, of the Loners, Young Allies, Young Avengers, the Avengers Acadamy kids, The cast of Avengers Arena/Undercover (the ones that didn't die, of course) and the large number of characters created for Matt Kindt's Infinity: The Hunt and Inhumanity: Awakening, the vast majority have made zero, or very few appearances in all the years since. It's like the G1 Transformers show. By creating new characters over and over and flooding the cast, you just end up devaluing your own characters and they end up as cannon fodder while Marvel just keeps making more and hoping they'll stick. It's an endless, self-defeating cycle, and it doesn't stop until Marvel makes it stop. They should be doing what they did with Ewing's New Avengers and give these characters team book roles to increase their exposure in books that will sell regardless, instead of gambling on solo books that will be cancelled. At which point people complain about the cancellation when it's really nothing new. Dude, I was there. I read Slingers, and Darkhawk and Power Pack and New Warriors and the Loners and Young Allies, and Generation Hope and Avengers Acadamy. I know what it's like to see young, promising characters you like run their course and fade out.
In other news, I read T-Bolts.
Quick comment regarding the previous issue:
My only problem with the Busiek/Bag prologue is that Atlas was an idiot and didn't follow orders causing the Masters to get the jump on him, but since that had to happen in order for the main story to happen, I blame Zub for that; I don't think Busiek came up with that. Zub's Atlas is dumber than Busiek and Fabian's take on the character, and Busiek spent the bulk of the prologue having Atlas be introspective (something that earlier era of comics had; god, I miss the era of comics where writers weren't ashamed to put words in a book).
As for this new issue, it's all Bucky stuff. That's ok with me, because I like me some Bucky and IMO he is the best thing in this book even though the classic T-Bolts lineup should be the most appealing thing to a fan of said lineup like myself, but it means the Masters of Evil plot doesn't go anywhere. Which brings us to 2 comments from the letters page:
1) Next issue is apparently the conclusion of the Masters of Evil arc. Pretty short arc. Feels unworthy of Zemo.
2). Sean Izaakse, the guest artist who I liked a lot better than Malin, is supposed to do more T-Bolts. Good.
Blaming the lack of sales on forced diversity alone is a pretty big scapegoat. There were a lot of contributing factors, and I'd say the constant events, renumberings, reboots, and pisspoor writing were a bigger factor than the forced diversity.
I loved X-Men 92, and Batman 66. I never got a chance to pick up the (was it) Wonder Woman 77, but if there was a Superman comic centred on Christopher Reeves Id probably read that.
Just give me a few core titles that are stand-alones with classic casts and good writing. I dont care if they are connected to the greater universe.
Yeah,higher ups at Marvel seem to live by Homers mantra: Everyone sucks but me.
Its the readers fault,its DCs faults,its a masonic conspiracy...but its never their fault.
They figured that replacing heroes is a great way to create some online buzz and justify a new #1.Now when the long term effects are showing,again,its somebody else fault.
Ethnic diversity isn't the problem they think it is. The problem is, that instead of coming up with completely original characters, they decided to replace existing characters. The same way DC did it, with Blue Beetle and Firestorm. That's what alienated some readers. I don't care at all for the new Ms. Marvel's costume design, and I like that instead of replacing Peter Parker, we have Miles Morales as a second Spider-Man. But making one of the new `Iron Men' a black teenage girl and the other Doctor frickin' Doom doesn't exactly grab me. I wouldn't mind the Doom thing if we didn't all know he's going to eventually go evil again. Just like we know Old Man Logan will eventually go away when they decide to bring the real Logan back, and X-23 is only filling in as Wolverine.
And incidentally, I like that they made Carol Danvers into Captain Marvel, but I don't like her costume at all. Especially since her Ms. Marvel/Warbird costume is one of my favorite female costume designs. Also, Captain America is one of my favorite heroes, but I'm not a fan at all of Steve's new costume or shield. The mask just looks wrong without the wings, the glove and boots design are awful, and that shield looks like something Battlestar would carry if they ever brought him back. The whole HYDRA thing is also one of the dumbest things that Marvel has done in ages.
Again,kinda what we all said.It would make more sense to spotlight some of your existing characters then invent new ones.
(Firestorms was a really stupid death,btw.)
Is it time for Marvels Rebirth?
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/137948-marvel-issues-statement-about-x-men-gold-1-art.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/137948-marvel-issues-statement-about-x-men-gold-1-art.html)
Oh boy...
I actually wrote an email to the X-Office last night. I was really hoping for a return to form from the X-Men. Prime and Gold #1 were the first Marvel conics Ive bought since the end of Secret Wars, and the first X-Men comics Ive bought since Bendis introduced his new ultra-powerful mutant out of nowhere after unceremoniously killing Dark Beast off-panel.
Im still hopeful for RessureXion, and maybe this incident will lead editorial to take their jobs more seriously for telling great stories again.
That's a bit weird, but honestly unless I missed something it doesn't seem all that bad to me. It sure as heck isn't bad as that graffiti in that one episode of Homeland. That being said, an artist really shouldn't be hiding a political/religious message in the comic without permission just to save everyone involved a lot of trouble. An visual easter egg reference to another series is one thing (Homer Simpson, Comic Book Guy, Jay and Silent Bob, ect) but this is a bit much.
On the topic of an actual X-Men story that came out, I skimmed an article about the final issue of the O5 X-Men title before Resurrection....and I'm still not not sure what the hell happened. All I know is somehow the O5 are still around, damn be the timeline, and ensuring that mainstream superhero comics will never not be convoluted no matter how many retcons and reboots they do.
Incidentally, curious to see if anyone thinks the new Blue and Gold titles are any good. I'm only planning to try out Gen X and Charles Soule's Astonshing, so it'll be a while for me.
Gold wasnt too bad in my opinion, just a few issues with Kitty and Rachel.
For some reason Kitty doesnt need to go by a codename because she is 'indecisive' but tells Rachel to start going by 'Prestige' when in my opinion she's probably more well-known as just Rachel Summers/Grey.
Other than that, its good to see a mansion again.
The titles that I am enjoying more are:
Hawkeye: Great storytelling here and a pretty good support cast introduced during first arc.
Hulk: When many people boast about mature storytelling as a way to show death and sex, come a very dark book... but why dark? Because it realistically deals with depresion and PTSD. If you want mayhem and destruction, this is not a title for you. If you want a legal and psychological character piece, this is the title you need.
Wasp: And to counter the previous book darkness, we get Nadia's optimism. If you want a comic to leabe you with a silly grin after reading, this is for you.
Occupy Avengers: pretty good title and slowly introducing the core members of the team. I dont like Clint, in universe people dont like Clint... and that leads to pretygreat characterizations.
Funny thay, as usual for me, what attracts me of Marvel are more urban stories with street level or close enough characters.
Have to catch up Ms. Marvel... dropped it when event madness ruined my fun of it...
But rather keep this positive so not going to talk about "character assassination II" or "but there are some good fascist for realsies"
Read part of an interview with someone at Marvel. They said that whenever we read old Captain America stories, we will have information that no one in the comic has-that Cap is a fraud. He said it would deepen the understanding of comics, and affect the way we see them forever (and sparked a bit of satire on my part). But it hit me: that is not all. I've complained that a lot of the writers these days are like the secondary antagonists in a Steve Ditko story (I know; "Da Glob's at it again..."), insisting that heroism is somehow a sick, unhealthy reaction, and we should all be miserable, cowardly worms, wallowing the muck and slime of our existence. It seems like these writers want to tear down all the heroes and deconstruct the genre (again), like Alan Moore. Or maybe they intend to create some replacement hero, Americaman or something, that will show everyone how much better they are than Stan Lee, Jack Kirby. Maybe they figure that after all this we will never want to see Steve Rogers as Captain America again (like they did by making Hal Jordan a villain). Or perhaps they intend to "break" Cap, destroy his faith in grandpa HYDRA, finally turn against his serpentine masters, actually becoming the lie he has lived for 70 years. I've also complained about the characterization of the Ultimate Cap as being different enough that he is not the same character, and he is definitely not a better one. I read something a few weeks ago about Cap being the moral heart of the Marvel universe, and that has been destroyed. The thing is, this means something else. I have joked that the next big even would retconn Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, Dick Ayers, Don heck, and the rest out of existence, so that all those stories we used to read and love no longer exist. This actually does that. Every time Cap thinks patriotic thoughts has been eliminated, every time he recounted his philosophy and offered hope to others as been rendered a lie, and every word any writer ever wrote about him has been rendered invalid. They may explain it that Cap was under self hypnosis, just in case some telepath should stop by and eavesdrop on his inner dialogue, or that those thoughts just "didn't happen". It means that, despite the professed respect and adulation they give Jack Kirby, they consider one of his greatest creations expendable. It tosses everything written about cap in the toilet. It also makes part of the JLA/Avengers crossover unlikely. So, all those stories from the '40s, '50s, and all the other decades have been retconned out of existence, replaced with "darker, edgier, more mature", but not better, stories.
I haven't read a current Captain America book in years and it still pisses me off. And I refuse to support this dreck by checking out this "new direction". Sadly, I have read that sales, at least on the first few issues, are up. :(
Me, I think it's the Captain Amerika from Earth-3...
Yeah, my hip still hurts, and I don't sleep well; I just sit around and brood.
Well, I at least thought someone would politely disagree with me.
Quote from: daglob on April 29, 2017, 07:01:35 PM
Well, I at least thought someone would politely disagree with me.
Well, I guess we can politely disagree that anyone would politely disagree with you, can't we? ;)
Honestly, my only real response is... the whole Hydra thing isn't real anyway, so why stress? It's already been revealed that Steve thinking he's Hydra is the result of Cosmic Cube shenanigans, so in my mind it doesn't taint what came before at all: Those events happened as they were originally depicted. The fact that Cap currently THINKS they happened otherwise is immaterial and does not impact my enjoyment of other cap stories.
And really, that's my opinion on the entire matter: they're not ACTUALLY retconning anything, and the entire thing with Cap "being Hydra" is, at least based on my understanding, just like an extended version of that spider-man story where Doc Ock tricks Spider-Man into thinking he's his partner. I PERSONALLY have no interest in that sort of story, but I had no interest in Superior Spider-Man either, and then when I finally read it the book was actually pretty good.
Most importantly though, I refuse to rise to Marvel's bait. They want us to be all nerd-rage over this, which sells books. But even just a basic understanding of Comic book lore gave a dozen different explanations for this "revelation."
Events are tough to say anything imo because they tend to be spread thin and disjointed. At it's core the deeper personal trials extending from the Steve Rogers series can be very telling. The overall story is a bit cramped and trying maybe too hard to be in my face. Well written though, I'll hand it that. Else I only bite down when it comes to "Age" events because it means titles get stirred, cancelled and new ones released as Marvel becomes All-New-New-New All-Different-Than-Different Marvel Now-But-Not-The-Now-That-Was-Before-Or-Other-Two-Before-That. Historically not something I'd fuss about, books have their time and such but moreso Marvel has been imo flipping the game board way too quickly and as such not giving me a proper chance to enjoy what they're putting out.
And yeah, come the finale and with it Dues ex machina (or usually already in other books before said wrap?) and Steve is back to proper, selling a New #1 issue at that (see Superior Spider-man>Amazing relaunch, Superior Iron Man>Iron Man relaunch). Speaking of I'd think there would be harder fan snaps about some others like Tony Stark speaking of. At least Steve is still Steve albeit reality-washed. Tony's well, see Superior Spider-man with a glowing blue character following a different character. All in the name of line expansion I suppose. And of course there's Cyclops and Jean...sorry True Believers.
Myself it does give me designs to contemplate for FF characters and these days I'm not greatly shaken. Since at least DC's New 52 this just became par the course for flagship books and honestly I can't say how often most of those are better than decent reads. "My" comics are always about and oddities that usually remain untouched, lest cancellation but again I'm okay with when they need to and can always back read.
Otherwise throwing in par the course my top Marvel book is currently Jessica Jones, I mean of course it is. Hawkeye, Squirrel Girl, Deadpool, Ultimates2 and ANWolverine are also ones I'm enjoying. If Weapon X goes as well as it's forefather I'll probably be a taker. Scarlet Spider isn't fare enough yet for me to say of it and Hulk, well if your not reading it spoilery but as many issues in and she hasn't Hulked-out or fought at all, in fact every ish just repeated the previous ones plot. I get excited about Jen's books so that's a low point to me.
I've read a couple of more interviews (that I haven't been able to brood about), and it seems strange. One guy says it's all true, Hydra Steve is the one, true Captain Amerika, and the guys we've been reading about for most of the last 76 years is the alternate universe one (I knew it; Earth 1), and this is a "reset" back to the real universe (Crisis on Infinite Earths? Marvel is having a Crisis?). Another says that we shouldn't worry, all this will be make clear and everyone will live happily ever after. The annoying thing is, I can't tell you who said what, so I can't back it up. If it isn't a drug-induced hallucination, then it looks like the left hand of someone doesn't know what the right hand of somebody else is doing, or yet another person isn't quite so sure this was a good idea.
Of course, if it was on the internet, it has to be true...
I'm reading the books, regarding Steve Rogers:
Steve Rogers is currently the 616 version, or whatever canon is now in place after Secret Wars. Anyways a being comparable to the Beyonder rewrote his history but only his history personally so that he was corrupted by Hydra. So like brainwashing but rather his own personal canon was now lived out in an alternate timeline that only he experienced while the rest of the Marvel Universe experienced the standard history with him that we had always read. Hope that clarifies a little.
Quote from: SickAlice on May 09, 2017, 06:25:16 PM
I'm reading the books, regarding Steve Rogers:
Steve Rogers is currently the 616 version, or whatever canon is now in place after Secret Wars. Anyways a being comparable to the Beyonder rewrote his history but only his history personally so that he was corrupted by Hydra. So like brainwashing but rather his own personal canon was now lived out in an alternate timeline that only he experienced while the rest of the Marvel Universe experienced the standard history with him that we had always read. Hope that clarifies a little.
It does clarify it, but only 'til someone changes it again...
More easily just read an official synopsis of the Pleasant Hill story arc. That's where all that happened anyways. Like I said could be worse when you think of it. At least in the reading anyways, there's warrant and in depth explanation for it (and I mean exposition down to the rug tufts here) and the character is still the same character except subdued (so not unlike Nomad or something).
Many other Marvel characters these days, and DC for that matter are simply another character all together with flat reasons for, like magical time travel whatsahickey so it just is stuff. Else both traditionally have characters whom are the same character yet undergo frequent enough characterization changes with little to no canonical reason at all that they end up a different character all together and have no logical continuity anymore. Examples would be Barbara Gordan (New 52><Convergence>DCYou-Rebirth) whom inexplicably became a different character as well seemingly younger and into today's teen trends, Superman...well every four to six months historically I guess and then aaaall the way back to go? Teen Titans across the board. Guardians Of The Galaxy just relaunched as mirrors of their 2nd movie counterparts, again no reason given. Psylocke, Magneto, Monet, Bishop and umpteen other mutant characters have no standard "characterization" and any development from one writer seems brushed off by the next one. Then over to shriveled characters like Apocalypse now being an awkward polite teen. Heroes Reborn>Return speaking of Steve and others. Wasp, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, and so many others at Marvel are just other characters now. And so on.
Really all they're guilty of with Steve is giving him the AXIS treatment he wasn't present for that the rest of his teammates did (you BFF, Sabretooth). I'm saying I get you here, especially when your deeply invested in the character but truth is at least as far as I can see is this is par the course so there isn't a reason to be shocked by it. At the end of the day these aren't people nor is it art, it's a product plain and simple and relies on that first to even keep it in play. And like any product it needs frequent repackaging and rebranding for it to stay on the shelves because human's have variable palettes. Could be worse again I say. Like Steve could just be cancelled or not in the books at all anymore (Reed, Sue and the Future Foundation). Instead he's just having his Gone Turbo phase like any hero does next to the death, resurrection and grimdark attitude shifts all eventually go through. I mean just before this he was a crabby grey haired old fart, so what's different today?
I really wish Marvel would do something with their horror characters (other than have them be comedy relief in Deadpool).
Dana
Quote from: SickAlice on May 09, 2017, 11:46:27 PM
I mean just before this he was a crabby grey haired old fart, so what's different today?
Hey! I resemble that remark.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on May 14, 2017, 08:21:59 PM
I really wish Marvel would do something with their horror characters (other than have them be comedy relief in Deadpool).
Dana
They tried that with Howling Commandos. It didn't take. (Sadly.)
Horror has moved away from classic monsters like Frank, Drac, and Wolfy...
@daglob: Lol, you could always ask the brass at Marvel or DC to change that for ya. ;)
And yeah typing way off point before. Truth is both Marvel and DC already shredded their canons albeit using different techniques but all the same and Steve's canon as the original readers knew it was long gone anyways. Not to snub either I get a few reasons they had to particularly rights issues as well no longer holding franchises that impacted their respective canons at their base. I just don't see it as worth breaking a sweat over anymore.
@horror: Monsters Unleashed going VERY classic horror but honestly it's a big turd anyways, imo. And really they have tried multiple times, they were even pushing for an Avengers style team back when (fished it with Marvel Zombies 3, really the last I recall seeing the monsters in their full form). I guess it just doesn't sell. Then again neither do classic versions of the Mummy, Wolfman, Gillman and so on in modern cinema either so that sort of adds up. For comedy I felt the Mrs.Deadpool held up, or at least the characters were front and center enough rather than backdrop. At any rate I'm sure they'll keep trying again, no company worth their salt likes wasting a registered copyright. Else there's the fact that *spoiler for Death Do Us Part*
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the monsters disbanded after the event anyways and Deadpool is no longer associated with them.
Or nvmd all that, turns out we all overlooked something or so says Secret Empire #2
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Since Steve's history was rewritten as an isolated alternate past timeline that makes him an alternate counterpart. That also means the canon Steve also exists.
Like I said, Cap of Earth-3...
I guess it makes sense, like having Ben Reilly become Spider-Man, but have Peter still in the background in case the whole idea sinks like a lead brick...
Actually,Ben is Scarlet Spider.That was a really bad first issue btw.
I mean in the late '90s.
More like the Superman 2 movie really. I will again give it that it does read really well. IMO good story is what's important. And yeah agreed, that first ish of Ben's didn't live up to the hype, not especially everything already generated by the event before it. Personally I'd rather have Kaine back in a solo, he was more compelling and still had a lot of character development to build into stories.
New theory regarding Hydra Cap, brought up by The Nerdist:
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Hydra Cap may be the Captain America from the Ultimate universe, and the `other' Cap running around is the real Captain America.
Sounds plausible, and I am all for it if the payoff is that Hydra Cap ends up dead.
Quote from: SickAlice on May 17, 2017, 04:11:56 PM
Or nvmd all that, turns out we all overlooked something or so says Secret Empire #2
Spoiler
Since Steve's history was rewritten as an isolated alternate past timeline that makes him an alternate counterpart. That also means the canon Steve also exists.
Didn't Marvel say that Cap was the "real deal" when they announced him being an agent of Hydra?
Quote from: spydermann93 on May 30, 2017, 02:24:39 AM
Quote from: SickAlice on May 17, 2017, 04:11:56 PM
Or nvmd all that, turns out we all overlooked something or so says Secret Empire #2
Spoiler
Since Steve's history was rewritten as an isolated alternate past timeline that makes him an alternate counterpart. That also means the canon Steve also exists.
Didn't Marvel say that Cap was the "real deal" when they announced him being an agent of Hydra?
Marvel says a lot of things.
Not a hoax,dream or an imaginary story.Except when it is.
Haha, that reminds me of a DC comic I read where on the cover it showed Batman and Superman locked in combat. It proclaimed that this wasn't an imaginary story, or symbolic picture. And yes, it wasn't either of those... it was a robot. *sigh*
Yeah,thats an actual DC disclaimer.Because superdickery.
Btw,the next event(after a dozen currently running) is Venomverse.You can guess what its about.
Honesly I was fine with the first two issues of Ben Reilly Scarlet Spider. Yes, they weren't the most epic things but I wasn't expecting them to be. So far the book is pretty much the same kind of thing as the Kaine Scarlet Spider. Except, yaknow, written by Peter David instead of Chris Yost, so it has better pacing, better characterization, better humor, better pathos, and of course, has better art. As as for coming off Clone Conspiracy, as far as I'm concerned, roughly 98% or so of the writers currently writing for Marvel are going to look good following Danny Boy Slott, so yeah.
Been meaning to post other thoughts on Marvel comics for a while.
I'm reading Secret Empire. I enjoying it. I know a lot of people are angry about Hydra Cap and Marvel has not handled the PR well (do they ever?) but I'm sorry, from where I'm sitting, Nick Spencer is not a bad writer. He's sure as hell not as bad as Slott. Plus so far the thing's coming out on time, which I can only imagine is because of the rotating artists, so can't argue about that.
I recently got into U.S. Avengers and I'm pleasantly surprised at how much I'm enjoying it. I got all of the issues on sale during Free Comic Book Day, read the whole thing, and went "yep, I'm be picking this thing up new". The irony is that despite dropping all of the characters I picked up its predecessor for, I've found that for whatever reason the story has clicked for me in a way NA didn't. Maybe it's the smaller cast resulting in a more focused narrative. Maybe it reads better in bulk. I dunno. I mean I love the art in it, but that was no surprise for me as I'm a fan of all of the artists featured in the book so far.
I don't think I brought this up but I meant to. Thunderbolts is on hiatus for the duration of SE (which is getting an extra issue, btw, as tends to happen with these event books go) I really hope it's not cancelled, but who knows. Also Nova appears to be stealth cancelled, which really sucks, as it means the new run will be cut short before the story's even gotten much of anywhere. Too bad too, because I've been enjoying it. The latest issue revealed how Richie Rider came back and I was totally satisfied with it. And it had been far too long since I'd been reminded how delightfully creepy the Lovecraft-inspired "Cancerverse" was.
In August Marvel will be honoring 100th years of Jack "The King" Kirby with All-Kirby $1.00 reprints. Featuring the debut of Ant-Man and the Wasp, some Cap and Iron Man, Hulk vs Thing, the debut of Groot, Black Panther, and some other cool stuff.
I'm sure someone else thought of this too but I've been offline a bit due to injury. Anyway's an oddball thought popped in my head about Secret Empire. So the emotional skeleton is two fold: One, the hero characters feel betrayed by their friend turning face, especially those who were close to him as Avengers. The second is the heroes are in a management that declares them outlaws, really nothing new when you think of it given Civil War, Dark Reign, Axis and so forth. Nor is any hero character switching alignment and almost always because an outside force made it so. But speaking of that and Axis most of the proper named heroes recently when grimdark themselves, that is except Steve Rogers and a bunch of villains who turned white knight. Which brought me to the thought: Why do none of the other heroes have any cognitive dissonance about Roger's current state in light of their own recent experience? Just saying relation is a core aspect of humanity, in other words if a person commits a disagreeable act generally those who haven't will be more likely to throw stones out of lacking a point of reference whereas those who faltered and/or where victims of plight in the same manner will generally empathize and go as far as to play devils advocate. Yet despite noting the canon reason Steve has gone turbo is not of his own doing the heroes really don't show any understanding rather " Take the bad guy down " seems to be the play. Not a quip about it past it does it make the characterization inorganic, but just one of those things that clicked in my think pan.
Selective amnesia? Plot hole? 'Cuz it had to be that way or no story?
Nah, no-prize. Because forced characterization. The evidence against the fact is the characters remember and frequently point out other events and plotlines, in this one alone they've trudged up Civil War and Civil War 2 a few times now in depth. I don't think the writer missed it either just choose not to incorporate it and really I think it would have been more compelling if they had. Like say have Hawkeye have a struggle with the idea after what he did to Banner recently or again most of the heroes dwelling on AXis (and Peter on the Superior event for that matter). In fact Tony just went through the Superior thing himself anyways. No-prize is the public knows all this stuff and readily accepts it so there's no reason the heroes couldn't go public and viral and just announce what happened to Steve. Though that would deflate the political metaphor going on here that we've seen in most of Marvel's events since House Of M, this one of course being the current atmosphere where people feel betrayed by "America" (hence why it has to be Rogers) and as if a fascist regime has snagged control of the government. But it would be interesting, I like reading about those human conflicts as opposed to scripted mannerisms. Again though else this is well written stuff, maybe one of Marvels best written events in awhile by comparison when I'm looking at it.
You are reading Secret Empire?You enabler! :p
Scarlet Spider #3:
"Well, it's your costume, man. I mean, look at it."
"What's wrong with it?"
"Well, first off, the coloring is a rip-off of Spidercide. And I can see your mouth. It's just...it's all wrong."
Gotta love Peter David! :thumbup:
Course I'm reading it. " Enabler ", pssht, lol. " Caesar must die! " :P
I like comic books and more captivating stories. It's well written or at least CA: SR is as is CA: SW, thus the mini-series. Thus far I can't speak too highly for the tie-ins. Some of the world structure is flimsy, like I said the utmost black and white acceptance of things by the characters but again I get the political statement in play. As well the New Tian comparison to Californias current stance with the government as is though that still comes off kind of silly as well. The Inhumans being the Muslim angle, no surprise to have Ms.Marvel at the front of it, also an obvious ploy to put the Inhumans in the hated and feared mutant status quo for the future.
And props to Peter David as well. And that and specifically the sudden Spider-fan characters showing up to justify the costume change literally quoting people online riffing on the new look. " Jerks! " from Ben as he skulks away in his original costume, lol.
Wow,somebody actually enjoys Marvel events and their myriad tie-ins.That's new.
Hey, I said earlier in this thread that I'm reading Secret Empire and enjoying it.
Yeah, the Secret Empire United tie-in was just ok, but i quite enjoyed Secret Empire: Uprising. Then again I'm a fan of Champions and that comic delivered on that front. Looking forward to SE: Underground this week.
This latest issue featured the big appearance by Hank Pym/Ultron, and I found it extremely entertaining. That was the thing in the solicits that made me go "Yep, definitely picking this series up", and it didn't disappoint.
I get your dissonance Spade. I had the same going in. Events have been more often a let down over the decade, usually the story getting dissolved in favor of advancing the next status quo and certain character fights. This one however just has solid writing like Civil War did. Sometimes they hit the mark and perhaps editorial gives them more rope. *shrug* Really Marvel and DC for that matter have come back to the era where they followed indy style books (Image, Dark Horse, Vertigo) so the stories have had much more depth than usual. Not withstanding both are now employing from the indy sector of course. To Marvels credit they're finally following the Bullpen formula again as opposed to the Big Name one. In the Big Name the idea was put a popular team on a book despite them not actually being a fit for the series (Bendis on Avengers). Bullpen rules of course more like baseball where talents where assigned to the position their skills and style flourished most (Bendis on street level). Though I'm sort of gulping at this Legacy thing. I mean I suppose everyone get's what they want then and it worked with the classic X-Men. When I said they will eventually revert characters to their original form I didn't mean it so literally, lol.
Eh,its your thing,Im not judging.
Peter Parker The Spectacular Spiderman #1 Im sure that sets a record for the most guest appearances in one issue.And most continuity references.We get it Chip,you read Spiderman before.
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Oh,and Peters sister is back.At least I think its the same character as before.It was one GN and that was a long time ago,who can keep track of long lost relatives?
So apparently there's another new Thor running around wielding Ultimate Thor's hammer, and in a rather bizarre twist, it is, all of people,
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Volstagg. Whose children were apparently murdered and, now that he's had a Bad Day ™, he's become a crazy MOFO.
Benton's gonna love this one. ;)
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That was a weird twist. Also sort of nonsensical. The reasoning is he was traumatized by war. Doesn't make sense though, he has surely seen so much carnage in his eons of existence that it's hard to believe one more would push him that far over the edge. Also I didn't like that they took his girth away and made him buff. Muscle isn't everything and fat is part of who people are, in fact in this era art should promote it more not less. Kind of feeling a " Hulk Family " thing happening here otherwise, like all of the close cast are becoming Thors where all of Banners close cast became Hulks.
Another great Marvel idea,take away everything that made She Hulk unique and turn her into a generic Hulk character.
I recently finished Excalibur v1 and Spiderman v1: Tombstone(weird numeration there).But who would care anyway?
Looks like we fully agree on something Spade, regarding She-Hulk here. Literally the worst She-Hulk comic series I've ever read. Almost every issue that came out thus far in fact there is no hulking out. Jen eating cookies and watching online clips, some no name character in a ratty apartment, repeat every issue. Hits a little hard since She-Hulk comics are generally celebrated by me and usually end up being the standby comic when everything else fails. Yeah actually I would recommend to anyone not wasting their dollar on it, close to dropping it myself. And I would care. Excaliber V1 was top shelf stuff, good for you. Really your on the right track I think to be reading older stuff in trades and I've been doing more of that myself. Not that all new comics are poorly made, quite the opposite but what they tend to be is something completely new and for me as a nostalgic that's not why I pick them up every month. In that vein though I'll give it to the X-Men books for finally getting back to much of what worked rather than trying to steer away from it all the time.
Actually,Im not sure if that was sarcasm.
I didnt say everything new suck,and I obviously follow a lot of stuff.But not everthing is God Country.
So the 52(seriously) new Legacy titles are revealed,and there is nothing new about them.For all the bs about doing a Rebirth of their own,its a standard quarterly reboot.And judging by the reactions,Im not the only one who stopped caring.
Quote from: Spade on June 25, 2017, 05:25:07 PM
So the 52(seriously) new Legacy titles are revealed,and there is nothing new about them.For all the bs about doing a Rebirth of their own,its a standard quarterly reboot.And judging by the reactions,Im not the only one who stopped caring.
I stopped caring years ago. I guess I was just ahead of the curve. ;)
I gotcha beat... I never cared in the first place. :lol:
Not that anyone believed Alonso in the first place.
And again I ask,how long can you continue with this?Each reboot experiences diminishing return.You lose more and more readers with every super-mega-giga-status quo changing forever-event.
At this point I think a blank slate reboot would be the only way to salvage anything.
Quote from: Spade on June 26, 2017, 04:41:17 AM
At this point I think a blank slate reboot would be the only way to salvage anything.
200% Agree. They even had the perfect spot for that "bright flash and everyone wakes up in a new world" moment when Secret Wars ended but Marvel had so many titles still in the middle of the old story arcs before the "crossover event" started. They let those arcs conclude while stalling with "All-New All-Different All-Confusing" storylines in the main titles while wedging in characters from the Ultimate Universe but lots of interesting concepts from the Secret Wars tie-ins were just left to waste instead of having the All-New All-Different Marvel Universe become the melting pot of all of the alternate characters from all kinds of worlds left homeless. It seems we are getting that NOW with Marvel Legacy which seems to be the core timeline justing itself to some drastic event in the past creating a time quake which brings back older version of modern characters who may or may not remain once the plotline is resolved. Which just gives me the feeling of Marvel pulling from DC's reboot bag of tricks after their grand plan of their fresh start just stumbled and fell apart with critics and fans alike.
- CQ
Not really.While the teasers implied a mix of old and new heroes and some returns,none of that is actually happening.Everything continues as it did till now.Just back to #1 ofc.
I think the only new series is Marve-two-in-one,but that will probably go to Bendis,so I wouldnt celebrate.
Not to be jerky or something but your reading things I'm not posting for some reason. It's kind of weird mate.
To be fair,your stream-of-thoughts writing style doesn't make you easy to understand.
Anyhow,like I said before,if you enjoy the current titles,great.Good for you.
To be fair that's true. I tend to ramble rather than get to the point. What I said though was I wasn't enjoying the event tie-ins, just the Captain America Steve Rogers book as I think the writing is that solid even if the premise is wacky. My top books every month are out of the mainstream really but I try not to prejudge either Marvel Or DC nor it's staple writers. Every now and then they can pull off a win. Bendis likewise I attest is a great writer, he just more often suffers from being on books that do not match his writing style, like Avengers for example. But I'd swear by Jessica Jones and Scarlet from him.
In fact to note why I don't enjoy big events, Marvel especially but DC gets faulted here too.
1.) They tend to be editorial run causing too many books to be in the series just to sell titles that otherwise don't need to be. Likewise this interrupts the story in progress and sometimes leads even to cancellation (see A-Force).
2.) Whichever silly new status quo is utterly pointless in advance. In the promos Marvel will sell this as " the state of the Marvel Universe going forward ". But we all know that's a lie. None of this will matter, the Marvel Universe will up-heave once again in a month or two and everyone (Steve Rogers in this case) will just be back to normal and forgiven as if nothing happened anyways. Gosh the whole Legacy thing especially is just too on the nose here. A story is empty when the aftermath is anti-climatic, that's just basic story structure.
3.) Stemming from two Marvel is in too much of a rush to get to the next event and status quo. The huge problem is we are not given ample time to enjoy what they have laid out. Your reading and liking a new book and/or character then...poof, new status quo doesn't have room for them. I call this "The Echo Effect", pointing at Maya Lopez.
Hopefully that clarifies. It's not like an event has to be weak either. Infinity Gauntlet was a good example. Then again it was pretty self contained and had long lasting effects that weren't just waved away thereafter.
I also give a lot of rope to the fact that both Marvel and DC often, and nowadays more than ever, have a huge legal issue to deal with. After several noted lawsuits the fact is that they just don't fully own the rights to their own canon anymore. Add to this they don't own certain franchises either that they're canon was established on. In Marvels case this is two-fold. One being Conan whom much of Marvels history was built on. The other being Hasbro (now with IDW of course) and specifically ROM, The Micronauts, the Microverse and the Dire Wraiths. Marvels canon is heavily invested in those characters but now it can't be so have to do something to compensate. So really not a fault of theirs, neither Marvel nor DC in the past really believed their respective franchises would become as big as they are now so it's reasonable to think they couldn't have predicted any of this. DC is of course in better shape. The only canon flub they need watch for are certain origin specifics of their flagship characters, and mainly Superman. Solved by rebooting and just re-writing/modernizing those little story details of course.
Thing with Rebirth was that,first time in a while,DC put some effort into it.They figured out they screwed up and decided to adress it.They reached out to some old writer,gave a chance to some newer(which also involved Tom King,but this isnt a perfect world).
Marvel wants to emulate that succes without doing any of the work.And the advertisment arent fooling anyone.
Maybe. But circular point. Marvel and DC have been admittingly been copying each others moves for decades in what sells. When you work backward on that line of logic you arrive at neither of them anyways. For reboot you find yourself at the Image walk-off. Not a surprise that both companies then tasked the same persons you made Image have high numbers to redesign their respective franchises (Heroes Reborn and New 52 respectively). For all else everything tracks back to radio shows and strips: Popeye, The Shadow, The Phantom and so forth. Just saying I wouldn't go as far to say copied as applied a regular business move. Really I finger either of them though because they're so eager to get that #1 sales boost they again don't give us a lot of time to enjoy what they're making. DC though did plan this one out clearly as it's an extension of the storyline going back to Flashpoint. Marvel however...well it seems like they didn't have a cohesive plan past Secret Wars really? Like the Marvel NOW that came after was it but sales bombed and they found themselves stuck at a point. Sort of like the DCYOU attempt that DC went through recently I suppose. Marvel added seems to be stuck in a rut in that they're having to cater more to their notable film franchises. I fear in that DC will have to also follow suit after the Justice League movie. Then again that attention seems to have pulled a stellar team on Aquaman so it all shakes out. Honestly though Marvel should follow suit but more in a universe that's about what people want to read: The heroes in their daily lives fighting big name foes. Not another "altered landscape". I mean it's a fine concept and all but how often do you get to read about the Marvel characters just doing as they do in the normal Marvel universe as is? Not enough time given between world shaking events I say.
^Yes,obviously,status quo shake-ups work only if you have a status quo.If your still sorting things out after the last reboot...
My point being;its not enought to give a car a new coat of paint,when its clear you need an engine overhaul.
Agreed. Also and I should have said it in short but DC is making better comics right now. No love lost for Marvel, I like comics any way I can get them. But fact of the matter is that most other companies are saying the same. More on that in that thread though. Hopefully Marvel will get their head out their creative butts soon and get back to what they should be doing: Delivering the goods. I will give them on that they are doing it with the X-books right now though, maybe for the first time in a long time. And the Peter Parker book is a wise move, not that I don't like seeing Peter as a corporate CEO fighting alongside SHIELD or anything *cough*.
OH NO,they killed Angelo!Wait,who's Angelo?
Linkara
Anyway,I dusted off Generation X,and it still holds up surprisingly well.Ofc,some of the pop-culture references are dated,but that's to be expected 20+ years later.
Yeah, but if you were there, the dated pop references are still funny.
If you count Baywatch as being relevant again.
They haven't rebooted WaterWorld yet?
Got a book on Marx Brothers movies. There is a reference in one of them (Horse Feathers?) that has a scene where Groucho makes an offhand remark to a woman when she describes her living arrangement. It makes no sense nowadays, but at the time it was a reference to a scandal. I never thought the line was funny, and still don't really after I found out what it meant (except in the broader sense that it's Groucho being a smart a$$). I was never part of the culture which spawned that line. Two things, though, in more recent (but now kinda old) movies: in Mystery Men, when Mr. Furious leaps and you hear "WHUMUMUMumumu..." as the motion slows, I laughed the first time I saw it (along with a bunch of other people). My daughter looked at me like I was crazy. Then, in The Sand Lot, when Benny comes up with the sneakers, I laughed because I knew what brand they were the moment I realized what was in the box. My daughter worries about me a lot...
Anyway, if you were part of the culture that is referenced in a dated reference, it's still funny... to you (provided it was funny to you in the first place). For some of us, dated references are all we have left.
Waterworld II: The Postman Only Rings Once?
Quote from: Spade on July 01, 2017, 04:53:30 PM
They haven't rebooted WaterWorld yet?
Shh! Don't give them ideas!
Like if your a Gen X-er yourself,you mean? :)
Yeah,I read it before;thats why Im rereading it.It holds up a lot better then most 90's Marvel titles,all in all.
Makes sense, it held up better then most titles in it's time too. Which is saying a mouthful since the X-books where at the top of the sales charts then. I like to think of it (then) as sort of the lovechild of the zenith of the X-books in that era. It's what made it work so well.
Well,its not timeless like Busieks works,but it certanly holds better then say,Secret Defenders.
Speaking of dusting off things,Marvel Knights(2000 series).I guess it just ended too soon,but in the end,its just...meh.
Okay, okay, okay... I found some electronic copies of Squirrel Girl, and in issue #5 someone makes up a story about The Red Skull turning Cap into a totalitarian fascist. This means they are so creatively bankrupt they are now using old plots from Squirrel Girl for their Major Events...
:roll:
(Hey... Maybe Squirrel Girl has secretly become editor-in-chief at Marvel?)
Dusting them off here as well last night. Thanos Quest and Infinity Gauntlet to prime for the movie of course, still holds up to this day and some of the best and most ingenious science fiction of it's day.
Heroes Reborn Doom (?). Sorry, I've never been clear on the title or if it even has one properly. The order is their are fourteen months of Heroes Reborn. The first six manned by Jim Lee and Rob Leifeld. The next six months by Jim Lee, the twelfth a cross-over final battle with Galactus for the fate of Earth. The Thirteenth a rebooted reality that's a meld of the Heroes Reborn canon and Wildstorm. After this Heroes Return occurred where the heroes went home to 616 Earth but exiled Dr.Doom. These stories tell a roundabout of how the Heroes Reborn Earth basically went to pot after being abandoned by it's heroes. They also outline the nature of that world a bit more and how it's managed internally and without. Dr.Doom ends up becoming the savior of said world and these follow his plan to do so all save Remnants which is Deadpoolish funny book. Not bad stuff at all really.
Supernaturals. Another alt in which Chaos Comics! founder Brian Pulido reinvents the Marvel brand as if, well if he reinvented it. Do to a Chaos Event most of the super powered beings on Marvel Earth are gone leaving only the mystical and supernatural. The Earth is Halloween-centric much like Chaos Comics. The story follows Brother Voodoo gathering a select group of characters to battle a new Jack-O-Lantern whom is set to enact a second Chaos Event on Halloween. Fun stuff, veeery 80's of itself. In the end I do wish Marvel would have modeled some of their characters after these designs specifically Jericho Drumm. The concepts for Black Cat and Satana are also pretty original.
Damn your right Spade. Just looking over my PSC submission and I am too heavy-handed.
In that vein grabbing positives, some of this weeks new reads were pretty good though they were the otherwise better stock all in one place. Speaking in regards to Jessica Jones, Spider-man and Hawkeye. But the real winner was this Avengers issue being a solo tale about Jane. Really well thought out and touching stuff, may be my pick for comic of the month. There's your short and sweet then. <_<
What are we talking about,again?
Personally I thought the Avengers issue was just ok. Nice art for sure, but I've seen this kind of story before in Marvel comics, and I didn't much care for it the previous times.
I haven't finished this week's issue of All-New Guardians yet, but I can say that so far I'm loving Duggan's run. In only a few issues, it's already better than the entirety of Bendis' run IMO. It actually feels like a Guardians of the Galaxy comic!
@Spade: Beats me. I thought you were keeping track. <_<
@Silver_Shocker: What can I say, I have a spot for storybook looking comics in my nostalgia hut. I liked this last issue of GOTG as well, read like Shade which is a good thing. Not hard to be better than Bendis's though, science fiction combined with light-hearted fun isn't his bag. Duggan is a good match for the series. I liked Mother Entropy as well but again, nostalgia = Starlin +Davis + Pip The Troll. I mean I got to have me some of that Pip.
So Thunderbolts, which was only supposed to be "on hiatus" during Secret Empire, is nowhere to be found in the Marvel Legecy 2017 October solicits, which cover the stuff after SI. I only recently found out that Jim Zub talked about it on Twitter in late June. He said he "pitched" a new Thunderbolts series and that he needs fans to write in to Marvel to show fan support to make sure it happens. I'm a little curious why he needs to "pitch" his own series that was never cancelled....well actually no, I'm not, I know exactly why. It's because Marvel frakking cancelled the book and didn't tell us. I'd have a lot more respect for Marvel if they had, it's insulting to the reader's intelligence. We're not stupid, we can tell the book's gone.
In any case, I made sure to email Marvel asking for the book to come back. Hopefully I'm not too late. I urge anyone here who wants T-Bolts to continue to do the same. email addy is mheroes @ Marvel .com.
With the same creative team?Im not sure thats worth it,honestly.
Probably won't be the same artist, because Jon Malin is now doing the art for Cable, which is featuring a new New Mutants/X-Force roster. Appropriate book for him really, and the art I saw by him for the book probably looked better than T-Bolts anyways, sadly.
Sean Izaakse, the guest artist on T-Bolts, is doing some art for Jim Zub's Uncanny Avengers (which so far I'm enjoying), so that makes it more likely that there isn't more T-Bolts planned at the moment, at least not right away and not with the same artists.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/30/marvel-comics-someone-from-the-top-up-for-the-chop/ (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/30/marvel-comics-someone-from-the-top-up-for-the-chop/)
According to Rich,a scapegoat is needed.
If it has to be someone (and it isn't Slott) make it Alonso or Brevoort. They represent a lot of what's wrong with modern Marvel, and I honestly believe that the good stuff in the last few years of Marvel have been despite them, not because of them (just like how I will never credit Steve Wacker with the well-received Waid's Daredevil run, since Waid's a good writer IMO and has continued to be without Wacker). And while I saddens me slightly to say that, given that Breevort was the editor on Busiek's Avengers and Thunderbolts, the Brevoort of that era simply is not the Breevort of today, and if he was, he hid it well.
I really hope Spencer doesn't take the fall for Secret Empire. Unlike, I imagine, a large contingent of the people who complain about Hydra Cap, I have actually been reading Secret Empire, and it's quite good IMO. Then again, if he does get kicked out, and DC snatches him up, he might end up on something cool, so I'd enjoy that.
I dont think firing a writer would be treated as a big deal.And its hard to assign blame to Slott here.
Safe bet would probably be David Gabriel their VP of sales.As in the guy who said their push for diversity ended up hurting their sales.
In case it is Alonso or Brevoort,I would hazard a guess that Bendis would be kicked upstairs,which would probably mean another set of problems.
Quote from: Spade on August 01, 2017, 04:30:30 AM
I dont think firing a writer would be treated as a big deal.And its hard to assign blame to Slott here.
Yeah, that's why I said it can't be Slott. I just wish it were him because I have issues with his issues (in more ways than one, YO HO HO HO!) Though in fairness I should say I've heard his newest volume is an improvement. I do plan to read it at some point because I do want to see for myself.
QuoteSafe bet would probably be David Gabriel their VP of sales.As in the guy who said their push for diversity ended up hurting their sales.
So here's the thing here's the thing:
1. I don't think I've ever read a actual transcript of what he said, so that might influence my feelings on the matter.
2. Which is the bigger issue, that he said that, or that Marvel has pushed heavily for diversity and (to some degree, I don't know to what degree but it's certainly present) alienated a section of their readers by putting somewhat less influence on their older established readers (the Hulk would be a good example).
On a semi-related note, Secret Empire spoilers:
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1. The Hulk is back and he's a weapon of Hydra. I wonder, are people happy or angry about that? Or both at the same time?
2. Black Widow appears to be dead. Please tell me there isn't a backlash against that already... :unsure:
That stands,but it all depends-are they trying to fix things or just find a scapegoat?In the second case,it could be anyone(and any excuse will do).If they are trying to fix things,then it would be Alonso or Brevoort.
But,lets not get are hopes up.This is still Things Rich overheard around urinals during SDCC. Its just that it sounds more logical then most.
Yeah, I could have said "Like I care what the guy who has an active monetary incentive to lie to you has to say.", but honestly, I've said that kind of thing a few times before and I'm kinda tired of adding it. It's an unspoken obligatory precursor. I don't like calling attention to him because I know that's what he wants.
Marvel really are in this weird transitional growing pains kinda stage right now. It kinda feels like they've basically run this whole thing as far as they can take and they're going up on the breaking point. They never stopped doing the big events and event stories and rotating status quo changes and now they're doubling down on the legacy heroes and hipper diverse new characters, and it kinda feels like something's gotta give.
I had a huge post I was originally going to post, but it really does boil down to that above sentiment.
Which kinda highlight another thing- seems like they have no clue who there targeted audiences are.Old fans?New fans?Movie fans?
Idk,its like they are pulling on all the wrong sides.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/31/marvel-comics-executive-restructuring/ (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/31/marvel-comics-executive-restructuring/)
About the earlier thing,its general manager Peter Philips and VP of digital product Kristin Vincent.Okay,nobody guessed that. :blink:
Yes,two people nobody heard about before.If nothing,its a bit weird the restructuring is going on the digital side.I thought everything was so great there.
And I finished Generation X.Emma goes crazier,Sean starts drinking,school gets blow up and everyone just figures: Screw it,Im outta here.
Say thanks to Joe Quesada,kids.
I thought school blowing up built character?
Calvins dad would have you believe so,but I doubt it.Thou,for X-men thats a casual Friday.
Next up:
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That is some campy stuff.Which actually makes it pretty accurate to the tone of Godzilla movies then.Ah,the wacky stuff of Showa era... :)
Pulse.What a mess.Funny thing is,this was back when Bendis actually tried.Its a sequel to Alias,based in Spidermans corner of the world,carrying over some stuff from Daredevil,with tie-ins to Secret War and House of M,that also tries to set up New Avengers. :banghead:
Also,does Doctor Strange delivers all Avenger babies?
Steven Strange,gynecologist to the Avengers. :huh:
Quote from: Spade on August 09, 2017, 02:57:58 PM
Pulse.What a mess.Funny thing is,this was back when Bendis actually tried.Its a sequel to Alias,based in Spidermans corner of the world,carrying over some stuff from Daredevil,with tie-ins to Secret War and House of M,that also tries to set up New Avengers. :banghead:
Also,does Doctor Strange delivers all Avenger babies?
Steven Strange,gynecologist to the Avengers. :huh:
...I liked it. :(
IMO it just tries to be too much at once.If it was just Jessica,Luka and Daily Bugle,that would have been great.But Bendis tried to work it in everything else he wrote at the time(now that's like 60% of all titles),but the parts never come together.
Hell,Wolverine shows up to reference Enemy of the State.They r*ped me!They r*ped my brain!
And Im just like...why? :blink:
Wolverine sells comics?
Quote from: daglob on August 09, 2017, 04:41:13 PM
Wolverine sells comics?
Other then the obvious;I mean.
Oh, well then, never mind.
Which reminds me of a recent discussion from a diffrent forum.For such an iconic character,Wolverine doesnt have a lot of iconic stories,does he?
There is the Claremont/Miller series,Old Man Logan,maybe Jason Arrons run(depending on who you ask)...
So when I first read your post, I was like, "huh, good point, hadn't thought of that". But with the hindsight of a few days, I thought of something else...
Wolverine is a spin-off. He was spun-off from a team book, X-Men. Generally the iconic stories for a spun-off character tend to be found in the book he spun off from.
Wolverine vs. the Hellfire Club, Wolverine vs the future Sentinels in Days of Future Past, Wolverine vs. Wendigo and Hulk in his first appearance in Hulk's comic, Wolverine teaming up with Captain America happened in Uncanny X-Men...Wolverine being crucified by the Reavers, Wolverine almost getting married and teaming up with Rogue and Yukio in Japan....Bone claws happened in the main X-Men books didn't it?
It applies to other characters too (with Deadpool as a major exception). Deathstroke has had his own book for years, but many of his iconic stories are to be found in Teen Titans. The Judas Contract, fighting Beast Boy, forming his own team to go up against the Titans, even that not-terribly well-handled curb stomping in Identity Crisis was in a book he didn't headline.
Hawkeye? His infamous fake death in Bendis' Avengers ("Not like this!") was in Avengers, as was the classic Ant-Man/Hawkeye team-up where Hawkeye fires an arrow with Ant-Man on top of it.
On another topic, I haven't given my thoughts on the two new X-Men books I've been picking up, have I?
Generation X is very much what I was expecting and wanted. A youth Team book X-Men title (which I'm sure will be cancelled within about a year and a half) starring characters I've liked in earlier titles. Nature Girl, a character I loved in Jason Latour's not-terribly good X-Men run, is finally in a good book and used better IMO. Eye Boy unfortunately seems to have lost the skill set he developed in Jason Aaron's Wolverine and the X-Men (I.E. He was basically Mutant Karnak: he could use his extra eyes to "see" people's weak points) but oh well. And there are some fun cameos by super obscure mutant characters. Like 1-appearance-in-a-Wolverine-book-nearly-a-decade-ago obscure, so that's fun. The new Hellfire Club introduced in Aaron's WatXM is apparently going to show up in future issues, so a dropped plot involving Quinton Quire from Latour's run may resurface. I do wish the art were a bit better but we're getting a fill-in artist or two in future months so that might help.
I'm also picking up Astonishing X-Men by Charles Soule. It's a team of X-Men who have done "bad stuff" vs. The Shadow King. I actually really like it. Fantomex steals the show, as usual. But it was the opening scene of the latest issue, #2, that I knew I had to share on here.
Spoiler
So the previously teased reappearance by the recently-killed-by-Inhuman-B.S. Jamie Maddrox was, unsurprisingly, just an illusion on the astral plane to screw with the X-Men. I initially was thinking Maddrox would be a villain; The image teased showed him in front of a stage curtain, so that's partly what got me thinking that; that and the fact that they never would have shown him in advance without there being some kind of "gotcha" twist; otherwise they would have let it be a "spoiler"
moment. I wonder what Peter David think of this appearance? By the time issue #1 came out, and I got an idea of what the book was going to be like, I kinda assumed Maddrox was just going to be an illusion. The book tries to have its cake and eat it too by having one of the characters say that people they see on the astral plane might actually be the souls of the people who died. On that note, Xavier is back and also he might be evil, but we only see him on the astral plane so who knows what's really going on.
Anyway, onto the thing I really wanted to bring up: the big meta gag in the opening scene of the comic! The X-Men are watching a play on the astral plane, reenacting the X-Men's lives:
Fantomex: MM. Haven't we already SEEN this play?
Old Man Logan: Making something new is risky. Safer to go with something FAMILIAR. Comfort Food. If something works, do it again...until it doesn't.
Gambit: Don't care if it's new. Just hope it's GOOD. Four dollars a ticket!
Rogue: Ah, that's cheap, Remy. I bet they're barely breaking even!
Beast: You paid full price? HA! I SNUCK in--and I'm glad I did. [Beast is later revealed to be Mystique in disguise...which makes this joke work on more than one level!] But it does look a bit fake, no? [...]
Fantomex: Eh, Come on, McCoy. You expect too much. Let's just try to enjoy ourselves.
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In other news, I've got Duggan's Guardians of the Galaxy on my desk this very moment! Duggan's Guardians...still awesome! It would have great even without the years-later return of the Darkhawk-derived Raptors, but with them an already savory dish become that much more delicious! Also original Nova Richie Rider confirmed for future issues! :thumbup:
Which is true,I guess;but for a guy who was,almost,Marvels mascot for a few decades,it hard to find some defining solo stories.
Funny,now that you mention Deadpool,its even harder to remember a defining Deadpool story.He had 2 good series,but its hard to pick THE iconic story.First T-ray saga,maybe?
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/21/matthew-rosenberg-writes-punisher-marvel-legacy-guiu-vilanova-draws/ (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/21/matthew-rosenberg-writes-punisher-marvel-legacy-guiu-vilanova-draws/)
Frank Castle,War Machine...I guess thats unexpected enough to work.Hell,he was Frankensteins monster. :lol:
Im now sure how they got the number 218,just the main series must have run for more issues,right?
So Secret Empire is finally more or less over, Captain Nazi got the stuffing beaten out of him, and Real!Cap (sort of,) is back in action. Thank God.
http://www.comicsbeat.com/emergency-actions-that-must-be-taken-when-it-is-discovered-that-thor-is-a-woman/ (http://www.comicsbeat.com/emergency-actions-that-must-be-taken-when-it-is-discovered-that-thor-is-a-woman/)
The fallout is here.But ofc,its all the fault of the shop owners.Heidi really doesnt get how this works. :rolleyes:
Quote from: kkhohoho on August 31, 2017, 04:13:17 AM
So Secret Empire is finally more or less over, Captain Nazi got the stuffing beaten out of him, and Real!Cap (sort of,) is back in action. Thank God.
Which actually means that,unsurprisingly,Marvel did the exact thing they promised they wouldn't do- restored the status quo.So yeah,another pointless
hero punchfest with no consequences at all.Other then the obligatory pointless deaths.No hard feelings as Iron Man would say.
But lets examine that Captain Nazi thing once again-for the people who hated the plot twist this is
too little,too late.For the people who found it interesting,this is just a middle finger on the reset button.
So faced with Sophie's choice (how unfortunately appropriate),Marvel does the impossible and somehow gives up both its children.
That article makes my head hurt. "Oh no! These people are terrible because they aren't accepting Thor is a woman! Clearly the problem is with them and their stupidity!'
I'm being grossly reductivisit, but I'm getting rather sick of seeing this kind of foolishness. Essentially, a comic store owner is closing his shop (an old and established one, adding to the sadness of the event) because of a declining customer base. One of the reasons he points to for this is the disconnect between the popular movies and the current comics, causing customer confusion and scaring off new fans. The author holds him up as a strawman and basically says, 'why don't you just give those customers classic books that match that continuity and get onboard with the current changes?!'
The problem is, that's moronic because it doesn't take into account the business model of comic book stores and the nature of the industry. People do buy TPBs at comic stores. Occasionally, but most of those are sold online or in more accessible venues. Comic stores, for the most part, survive with subscriptions and recurring customers. If you sell one Jack Kirby Thor omnibus, that's great, money in your pocket, but it doesn't get that customer buying a monthly book. And if they find nothing of what they loved in the films in the modern comics, they may never start buying a monthly book, and that one sale may be all you get. This is, essentially, what I've been saying for a decade. The industry is dying because people are too dense and too desperate to take advantage of the resources that they have. They'd rather keep desperately throwing everything including the kitchen sink at their characters and hoping against hope that this latest 'bold new direction' will magically create the new readers they are eternally scaring off.
Quote from: BentonGrey on September 03, 2017, 02:56:57 AM
That article makes my head hurt. "Oh no! These people are terrible because they aren't accepting Thor is a woman! Clearly the problem is with them and their stupidity!'
I'm being grossly reductivisit, but I'm getting rather sick of seeing this kind of foolishness. Essentially, a comic store owner is closing his shop (an old and established one, adding to the sadness of the event) because of a declining customer base. One of the reasons he points to for this is the disconnect between the popular movies and the current comics, causing customer confusion and scaring off new fans. The author holds him up as a strawman and basically says, 'why don't you just give those customers classic books that match that continuity and get onboard with the current changes?!'
The problem is, that's moronic because it doesn't take into account the business model of comic book stores and the nature of the industry. People do buy TPBs at comic stores. Occasionally, but most of those are sold online or in more accessible venues. Comic stores, for the most part, survive with subscriptions and recurring customers. If you sell one Jack Kirby Thor omnibus, that's great, money in your pocket, but it doesn't get that customer buying a monthly book. And if they find nothing of what they loved in the films in the modern comics, they may never start buying a monthly book, and that one sale may be all you get. This is, essentially, what I've been saying for a decade. The industry is dying because people are too dense and too desperate to take advantage of the resources that they have. They'd rather keep desperately throwing everything including the kitchen sink at their characters and hoping against hope that this latest 'bold new direction' will magically create the new readers they are eternally scaring off.
Honestly, I think the fact that the comics aren't all that much like the movies isn't the real problem, nor do I think we should just try and force the comics into being like them just up sales. (Which Marvel is doing anyway, and look how that's turned out.) Nor is that they keep on taking the characters in new directions. The problem is twofold. One is that nearly every single one of the 'new directions' they've taken is freaking moronic. Captain Nazi anyone? That said, that doesn't mean new directions are in and of themselves a bad thing, but they have to feel organic and come naturally from the characters and their situation. Trying to make a character something they aren't isn't the way to do it.
But another problem is that modern Big Two comics just aren't very welcoming to new readers. You could pop open any comic from Marvel these days and suddenly find oodles of continuity thrown at you, as well as find yourself thrown into a giant-arse eveny that you probably couldn't give two figs about even if you
did already read the comics when all you want to do is just pick up one single comic -- not a franchise of comics or an event, but
just one comic -- and enjoy it. And a lot of Marvel's comics these days don't really let you do that. That doesn't mean there aren't any, but it's usually stuff on the fringe. If your average newcomer just wants to sit down and enjoy the titles he knows from the movie -- Captain America, Iron Man, Avengers -- then tough luck.
See the previous page for my thoughts on Secret Empire and the Captain Nazi situation.
And what Benton said.
You cant make people read what you want them to read.And average muggle,and I have seen this happen,will look up,say,Hulk,see this isnt the guy from the movie,but Amadeus Cho on a quest to catch them all,and say : This is stupid.Comics are stupid.And probably be done with comics.
And even if there is a will,he/she will be welcomed by 4 or 5 similary named titles(looking at you Spiderman) and a confusing numbering system.Do I need ASM #3 from 2015 or 2017?
Holy crap. I actually used to shop at that place.... almost 15 years ago. I actually only bought a few trades there. There is a much better comic shop just around the corner though, called Heroes, and it is in much better condition with a better location. Nicer staff, too, actually.
I actually visited London for the first time in about 6 years this summer (used to live there) and honestly I was kind of shocked. The local economy downtown is not doing well. My wife was actually kind of scared. Blaming the decline of his shop on the big two publishers is entirely disingenuous.
EDIT: actually I was thinking of another shop downtown called LA Mood that was losing out to heroes. The Comic Book Collector is further East, and isnt in a nice area of town. They actually had a better collection of Indie comics, and Ive bought older graphic novels by Sienkiewicz and Peter Bagge there.
They have bad parts of town in Canada?Who knew? :)
On the more serious topic,ofc Marvel isn't solely responsible here,but they are certainly not helping the stores with the current marketing/business model.
Also see the lenticular cover boycott of the past few weeks.
Heheh. Just google 'East of Adelaide'. Sure, its not East Hastings, but it could get rough there.
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Now that I got it out of my system...
Fact is,comics are confusing,and renumbering and events dont make it easier...But we discussed all this several times before,so no point in repeating it again.
Meanwhile,its easier to give your money to DC or IDW or someone fourth.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on September 03, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
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Now that I got it out of my system...
Fact is,comics are confusing,and renumbering and events dont make it easier...But we discussed all this several times before,so no point in repeating it again.
Meanwhile,its easier to give you money to DC or IDW or someone fourth.
How is it any easier to give money to DC? Their continuity's more screwed up than a screwdriver.
Maybe,but that they are prducing better comics right now IMO.
And new readers would probably have easier time accepting that Superman is married then the fact Iron Man is Doctor Doom/a teenage girl.
http://www.screengeek.net/2017/09/02/marvel-comics-could-be-in-trouble/ (http://www.screengeek.net/2017/09/02/marvel-comics-could-be-in-trouble/)
Now,it could be fake,but a lot of it makes sense.
I will regret this,but what the hell happened with Punisher in Secret Empire?
Some of the predictions are: Waid off the brat pack and writing Captain America and Iron Man,at least for a while.Spencer on ASM and Slott on the FNSM.Ewing on Spirits of Vengence.Buccelato on Daredevil.
We already saw legacy renumberings to #150 and #218 so #600 and #700 are a given at this point.
Ok, cause Harry brought up Iron Man being Doom and a girl. I've no prob with those, except Doom should be doing it to get at FF, but the idea of Tony stuck as an AI is wrong. If you go back to the nineties, Tony was killed and uploaded his mind to a computer. He then had Stark Enterprises grow/build him a new body that his brain waves were uploaded into. So why can't he just grow a clone body again?!? It's not like he doesn't know how. Just seems weird...and a bit forgetful by the writers.
I was illustrating how it would look to a new reader.
Was that the time when he was a teenager?Crossing,was it?
It was before Crossing. It was back whe Rhodes was wandering around as Iron Man for a bit before switching to War Machine to distance himself from Tony. Right around the end of West Coast Avengers and the beginning of Force Works. If memory serves me right. I've got the comic around here somewhere...it's the 30th anniversary issue of Iron Man (March 1993, issue 290) that they show Tony rebuild himself...
And I know you were making a point on how it looks to new readers, I just saw the Iron Man reference and the thought hit me.
Quote from: Deaths Jester on September 04, 2017, 09:17:05 PM
just seems weird...and a bit forgetful by the writers.
The writers probably didn't read the comic in the question. It wouldn't be the first time. Back during Warren Ellis' time on the title, he said he hadn't read a single Iron Man comic aside from the first several, so it's not as if most writers actually take their time to read through every single issue a given series has. Granted, they should still have the general history down, but chances are, they're not always going to remember every little thing that happened. Sad but true.
True kkhohoho, but this isn't the only time Tony "rebuilt" himself. Even the recent Exterminis run Tony kinda "rebuilt" himself and of course during Secret War they showed that Rhodes had been "saved"/brought back by being made into a cyborg. True, none of those aren't complete body cloning/creation like the one I mentioned but still, you'd think a writer would remember one of these.
As a fellow Canadian myself, yes, there is some amount of "bad parts of town". The guy who runs my comic book store (well, used to, it's under new management now) told me the building literally across the street was a crack house. And yes, not all Canadians are nice.
QuoteThere is a much better comic shop just around the corner though, called Heroes, and it is in much better condition with a better location. Nicer staff, too, actually.
Sounds like the comic book store that used to be in Niagara Falls that I would go to as a back-up if the local place didn't get my books. That place was cluttered and with an owner who was pushy and unpleasant. I always thought of that store closing as a clear cause-and-effect of that. Sadly, there was a much nicer store in NF that had a nice bookshelf for the trades, like you would see in a big chain bookstore like Chapters or Barnes and Noble, automatic sliding doors that made the same sound as the doors on the starship Enterprise, and even an arcade downstairs. And it shut down too, what a shame. If it was 10 minutes away like my local place I would be have been a regular there for sure.
Not one bit of that rumor you posted sounded unbelievable to me. Slott finally leaving Amazing would make me happy, it's been a longtime coming. A Whedon Astonishing X-Men type book where he can be as late as he wants sounds like a decent idea. Spencer on Amazing recapturing the Superior Foes magic sounds appealing, I'd pick that up. I'm not convinced any writer working today could do more lasting damage to Spidey than Slott has. Spencer very much included and with the possible exception of Chris Yost, who was actually pretty decent on Inferior Spider-Man Team Up. Though he was writing a tie-in/spin-off; I'd shutter to think what he'd do if he was in control. Not one bit about the X-Men and the Inhumans B.S. sounds surprising. No status update on Generation X? Lemme guess, cancelled already? :P Oh well. If this report is true, not surprised to hear that Remender's X-Men stuff got kneecapped by Bendis O5 X-Men. You could kinda tell by the end.
I'll be sad if Waid is really leaving Champions. I complained about some of the preachy elements of the book but I do enjoy it. Mind you, I seem to against a lot of popular opinion on Spencer and Waid but I can live with that. I'm glad to see in recent months that I'm not the only one who thought Bendis was phoning it in on Guardians. Very happy to hear, that, if that report is true, Duggan's sticking around on Guardians. As I've said a few times before, I really like his Guardians run. Marvel seems to like Duggan so he's probably fine.
While I'm hear, I'd almost forgot: I'd been meaning to talk about the most recent issue of Peter David's Scarlet Spider. In fact, it ties in with the comment that modern Marvel comics are very poor at being accessible, which they are, but they're a lot better than they were about 10 years ago or so. At least we sometimes get editorial recap boxes now.
Spoiler
Rick Jones wife Marlo showed up. Gotta love Peter David. Apparently she's been doing a reality show called (sigh) "Keeping up with the Joneses". Also she's all aloof and off-putting in this, so basically Layla Miller. It was neat, but I knew right then and there I'd have to look up the character on Marvel wiki to find out if this was a new development that happened in a book I didn't read. And sure enough, there were some trippy supernatural developments in the Greg Pak Hulk run including Chaos War. That might be the cause for how she's acting, or it could be a new development, I don't know, and the book refuses to tell me because modern Marvel doesn't respect their audience enough for that. I should have said this about 10 years ago and I say this now: it is not Wikipedia or Marvel Wikia or any other unaffiliated site's job to get you up to speed so you can enjoy your ongoing story. That's the job of the writers and editors. Not every body wants to hit up the wiki. Not everyone has TIME to hit up the wiki (I usually don't). This whole "oh we're not going to explain important developments that are totally in play for the story you're currently reading" thing? Shouldn't even be an option. The one exception being, like, a Deadpool comic where the continuity being confusing is the joke "Stewart or McAvoy? This timeline is so confusing."
On the topic of Hydra Cap (and by the way, guys, Spoilers):
QuoteWhich actually means that,unsurprisingly,Marvel did the exact thing they promised they wouldn't do- restored the status quo.
In fairness, Marvel promised to do that months ago. When the FCBD comic came out, people were destroying it in protest because they didn't like the development in it, and Marvel promised them it'd be undone in hopes they would stop. And here's the thing: creators are allowed to change their minds. We all snarked about Joe Quesada saying a crossover between Ultimate and 616 would mean they've "ran out of ideas" but to quote Daniel Craig: "I'm not allowed to change my mind?" I want my writers to improve in areas where they doing poorly. I know it's usually not going to happen because most of them are too stubborn, but it'd be nice. As for the lying part, well, that's the rub. They don't want to say it's temporary even though it totally is. They probably should have said "wait and see". I've found that kind of response kind of obnoxious in the past, but it might not be as disrespectful as spouting an obvious lie.
A question for you all: Wolverine was brainwashed and a bad guy and starting things off by kiling off an obscure hero Marvel didn't care about keeping around (It was Hornet; his new successor and former teammates are about to show up in Scarlet Spider). That was about 10 years ago. Did people get this upset at that? I know it wasn't Captain America becoming a Nazi, but with that element removed, it was a very similar story premise.
QuoteSo yeah,another pointless hero punchfest with no consequences at all.Other then the obligatory pointless deaths.No hard feelings as Iron Man would say.
So let's rap about that for a sec.
Spoiler
I'm not sure which deaths you're talking about, or if you're up to date on the events of the book. The major deaths in the main book were undone by Kobik. Black Widow and Rick Jones were clearly shown standing around while Kobik was doing her thing. Bucky was also revealed to be alive near the end of the story (unsurprisingly). Jack Flagg was revealed to be alive, albeit in a vegetative state, before SE even started. Unless I've forgotten someone, and not counting characters who died in tie-ins (Coulson), the only characters who died were minor villains (I can't remember, did Boomerang die?). And villains dying isn't as bad as lesser heroes dying. Villains come back. Often with no explanation or even acknowledging their death. Black Widow and Bucky were always going to come back. Tony and Banner will come back. Hank will come back, separated from Ultron one day. Rick Jones was probably going to come back. Red Ghost, who I personally don't care about, will likely come back. Are people upset Blackout died? Because he died in the classic storyline he was most remembered for "Avengers Under Seige".
QuoteBut lets examine that Captain Nazi thing once again-for the people who hated the plot twist this is too little,too late.For the people who found it interesting,this is just a middle finger on the reset button.
So faced with Sophie's choice (how unfortunately appropriate),Marvel does the impossible and somehow gives up both its children.
I can't speak for everybody obviously, but I enjoyed the story and I was fine with the ending. Granted, it felt a little rushed and possibly rewritten to address backlash (and if that report you posted is accurate, it was) but other than that I had no significant complaints. I always thought of it as a temporary story/status quo. No different than the Inferior Spider-Man (though
vastly better written, in my opinion and the opinion of many others.)
To be the devils advocate here(I seem to be doing that a lot),they were trying to do something new with a character whos thing of man-out-of-time wore itself out 30 years ago.And obviosly they were (again) aping Civil War,right down to Punisher working for CA.Rosenbergs run better be freaking great after this,btw.
But Im going off topic here...Civil War was stupid,but at least it had consequences that were adressed.And I did like Dark Reign and Siege.And there were a few good series in the aftermath.
Secret Empire doesnt bother.Will CA suffer now that his reputation is ruined in-universe?Ofc not.Again the whole thing ends with Iron Man more or less saying: Hey,no hard feelings. :rolleyes:
Oh,and no news on Thunderbolts.Was it canceled?
Way back to the store closing- I cant say what all the reasons were;but the article really makes the guy sound like like a strawman,nothing unusual from companies extended PR arms,but the person who wrote it clearly doesn't get how that business functions.
On that crackhouse across the street...comics these days contain strong heroines. :D
They certainly do. But then they always did. Chris Claremont did write some strong female characters.
On the topic of SE, something I should have said two weeks ago but I'll say now. Y'all should have waited for SE Omega, cuz there was one more issue!
And I personally dug it. The entire issue is literally just good guy Cap saying to the evil Hydra version "Hey you just peed in my cheereros. Now everyone thinks I'm some A-hole." And he's like "I did do that, didn't I. It's almost like.....I won. [Troll Face] "
Yeah, that's pretty much the entire issue. That and a vague comment I'm going to assume is a tease for the Marvel Legacy one-shot.
On a slightly unrelated note, this came up in a different thread but I actually had been meaning to bring this up so here it is in its entirely. The topic was comic stories that were responses to anti-heroes including Mark Waid's Kingdom Come:
[...] Mark Waid's recent issue of Avengers, a brilliant tie-in to Secret Empire where he rejected the whole damn story and every thing he hates about anti-heroes (and I really hope people realized that's what he was doing), which I'll get to in a second cuz I've need an excuse to talk about that one. There's always that added layer that is 100% intentional and 100% the point.
[Snip]
The thing about Mark Waid is he HATES anti-heroes. Hates hates hates. He hates a Superman who kills, he actually hates Deadpool, and he'd says he had no interest in writing him these days (ironic, considering he wrote one of the formative Deadpool minis that introduced the memorable Wade/Siryn ship, which I dubbed "WaidShipping". But the key is that it's a kind of morality he's against.
So guess what he did when he tasked with a Secret Empire tie-in in his Avengers book, starring the Evil Avengers (yes, another one). he spent the ENTIRE issue telling you how much they suck! No seriously, the whole damn issue. Doc Ock's an insufferable jacka$$ (no change there), Deadpool's incredibly annoying, not a big stretch there, though Waid does have him take a dig at Batman V. Superman, because of course. Taskmaster and Blank Ant are a bunch of opportunistic thugs, evil Scarlet Witch is a r@pist, and they're not fooling around on that one, they outright say it. Comic Marvel NEVER does that these days. And in the end Tasky and Black Ant find the alien horde they're sent to kill and it turns out the aliens are peaceful and they want to help humanity and Earth become a paradise and they're just like "Kay, but we're bad guys so we're going to kill you anyway" and they do it and they all just walk away like "Good job team, aren't we just a bunch of bada$$es". The final panel might as well have been Waid dropping the mic and being like "Yeah, that @#$% just happened." It was bloody brilliant! I'm not fronting, it was one of the most brilliant comics I've ever read. I seriously think Waid should get an Eisner for it (considering some of the utter garbage that got nominated for an Eisner). It really was that damn good.
I saw the spoilers for Legacy...My theory is that Alonso and the gang are trying to do as much damage as they can before they are fired.:|
Can you point me toward those spoilers? I want to see what kind of hot garbage it is.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/09/26/fifteen-big-spoilers-marvel-legacy-1-order/ (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/09/26/fifteen-big-spoilers-marvel-legacy-1-order/)
Next event will probably be "Revenge of the fallen". :D
I....have no words....
That would be acceptable on this forum, that is.
It gets even more absurd.Next Avengers event is a redo of Avengers Dissasembled (because that was so great),co-written by Waid,Ewing and Zub.Also something about Earth being stolen.Because Slott isnt the only one who can ape Doctor Who. :|
Legacy was a weird one. I actually did expect it to better. The Caveman stuff was even more unappealing to me than I was expecting. It also spoiled two significant plot points (one of which was a major reveal) from the previous week's Guardians of the Galaxy, which I had only a few pages left to read when I read Legacy (which I made sure to read first BECAUSE I didn't want that spoiled) without any way of knowing Guardians had anything to do with it.
On other news, I read the two newest Scarlet Spider issues. I got my answers about the weird stuff going on in that previous issue I mentioned earlier...and the answer was even weirder than I could have possibly expected. Like, one of the weirdest things Peter David's ever written weird. Like, final issue of his Captain Marvel weird.
Spoiler
So Marlo Jones is not Marlo Jones but Lady Death pretending to be Marlo, and warns Ben Reilly that his soul is damaged because he's come back from the dead too many times. Even though every single one of those times was a genetic copy made in a lab and NOT the SAME PERSON, but whatever. And yes, I have pondered whether a clone has a soul of its own many times. Apparently I've gotten to see a fictional story explicitly address that, and it makes no sense even by fantasy/sci-fi/genre fiction standards. If two Ben Reillys, both clones, obviously, co-exist, side by side, do they each have a separate soul? Do they share the same soul, like Rampage in Beast Wars? It should be a moot point, since all Ben Reillys and Kanes are clones of Peter Parker, so any theoretical "one soul" should be Pete's. This concept is no bizarre and contradictory, I've surprised Slott didn't come up with it (it reminds me of the bizarre mechanics of the Doc Ock mindswap in Inferior, which WAS heavily criticized). I made a point to do the research, and it seems Jackal, in Clone Conspiracy, insisted they're not clones because they have memories. To quote Bob from Reboot "Copies can have memories." Unsurprisingly, noone in-story bought it. Strangely, PAD seems to have taken the concept and ran with it. It makes no fruity-toot-tooting sense. He didn't get out of the cockadoodie car!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVzX22lrWxA) (and no, I'm not the first to use that reference when criticizing the plot of a Slott-era Spider-Man story)
So, ahem...
Lady Death posits the ultimate hanging sword of Damocles to Ben Reilly. He can't die. He has to make sure not to die, or his soul will never be able to repair itself. It's for keepies now, he can't cheat with the revolving door like comic book characters do. PAD found a interesting spin on a character who's defined by his ability to reappear long after his original death. So Ben pleads with Death to also bring Kaine back to life (cuz you knew there was no way he was going to stay dead) and the little sick girl Ben's been trying to treat this whole series, and she says she's going to make him choose one of them to come back. After some philosophical debate (a recurring motif in Peter David comics) Ben convinces her to bring both of them back, but at a price. She turns the previously Deadpool-esque looking Ben Reilly, into a handsome, unscarred Peter Parker looking Ben. I believe Tvtropes calls that "Cursed with Awesome".
The next issue, which I'd been greatly anticipating, starts off an arc that features the return of Hornet and the Slingers. Now, for those of you keeping score, Hornet was murdered off-screen by Wolverine in Mark Millar's Enemy of the State when he was brainwashed by Hydra. It's not just for Captain America! So here we have a new character taking over the Mantle. At the end of the issue, fellow Slingers member Ricochet (who was featured as a member of superhero support group Excalibur/The Loners, a group that, last I checked, Marvel hasn't acknowledged since the Christmas issue a good 10 years or so ago, other than a brief sequence involving Phil Ulrich in Slott's Spider-Man run) shows up and talks about Hornet to Ben...and refers to his deceased friend and former teammate by his first name in front of Ben. Now Peter David might make good on this in the next issue (I personally doubt it myself...) but in any case, I'm iffy on this otherwise minor detail for 2 reasons:
1. Is it policy for the authorities (who found Hornets body in the original story) to out his secret identity to the public in the Marvel Universe? While I'm sure this has been touched on, on a case-by-case basis (Civil War?), it seems like poor form in Hornet's case.
2. Assuming Hornet wasn't outed (and really, even if he wasn't, is every Marvel superhero going to remember the name of any other Marvel superhero whose real name is public knowledge? Especially one who died years ago?) would his friend really blurt out his name like that to someone he doesn't know? I don't doubt it's possible someone in an emotional moment might do such a thing (Richochet is shown smashing his flatscreen tv in a scene in The Loners during an emotional moment), it seems like, again, bad form for someone who's part of the superhero community.
Also, it's been announced that Scott Lang a.k.a Ant-Man will be in the Guardians of the Galaxy comic, as part of the team, and Beta Ray Bill will show up at some point (I'm hoping Dan Abnett and Andy Lannings "Annihilators" team will be involved, and considering Duggan's run, they probably will). And I know I say this after seemingly every issue, but Duggan's Guardians....still awesome!!! The latest issue is about the fate of long forgotten character Robbie Rider, brother of and fellow Nova Corp member of Richie Rider. Very satisfying to get a continuation of that plot point after all these years, and like so much of the run, the story just leaves you wanting more (had a decent artist this time too, that was nice).
Im sure its a typo,but the guys chasing after Runaways (which makes them a bit lamer then Team Rocket) were Excelsior.But Stan Lee had that phrase trademarked so - Loners.
Excalibur is the British team that's been neglected even worse.
You are correct. One thing that I've learned time and time again, is I make a LOT of typos.
Cable #150 Hey look,its Cable.And Shatterstar.And Longshot.And Doop.And Jon Malin.But at least he works a bit better here then for Thunderbolts.Btw,that was canceled,right?
Its pretty sad that fans care more about characters then Marvel does.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on October 18, 2017, 02:55:57 PM
Cable #150 Hey look,its Cable.And Shatterstar.And Longshot.And Doop.And Jon Malin.But at least he works a bit better here then for Thunderbolts.Btw,that was canceled,right?
Its pretty sad that fans care more about characters then Marvel does.
These days, Marvel cares more about MAKE IT THE MOVIE than anything else. Which leaves the writers free to pursue their own agendas rather than actually tell good stories. Which is how we got Secret Empire. Dagnabbit.
Way back in CW2,Alonso said they arent making a comic,but a movie in 15 years.Also,they apparently let Bendis run free with his pet projects,because they cant afford to lose him.How sad is that?
We all know they are sabotaging X-men and F4,but why Thunderbolts?They have the movie rights there.Unless somebody really hates them.And everything since 2012 onwards tells me there might be some truth there.
I still haven't heard anything about Thunderbolts, but I just found out Moonstone appears in the role of psychiatrist in the digital-first series "Thor Vs. Hulk: Champions of the Universe". You can even see her on the cover of #4.
I read an article from someone involved at DC just prior to the implosion. He said that the attitude of far too many of the people was that this was a temp job on their way to Hollywood. I know Jack Kirby did designs for cartoons (Thundar), as did Doug Wildey (Johnny Quest) and Alex Toth (Space Ghost and others), but each of these had been working for years in comics and illustration. Besides the whole thing that Jack Kirby was The King (and Wildey and Toth were no slouches either). I don't think that most of the present creators really give a darn about the characters, except for the ones they have created themselves.
A lot of creators have moved on to TV,animation and video games.Money is better.
Or at least went to Image to pitch their own movies.
So,I may be a bit late,but #ComicGate.
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This being Marvel,they took up arms against several Youtube channels and their subscribers.Yeah,even if you shut down every youtuber who said something against you,that wont solve anything.
And no,this isn't like GamerGate.This is about creators vs fans.
Sounds ugly. And sounds like an unfortunately natural progression of what I've seen over the years.
I always said majority of readers doesnt want Waid and the rest shoveling their personal politics down their throaths.
And before somebody says: Comics were always political because Captain America punched Hitler;its not the same.
Personally,its not about disagreeing or agreeing with your message;I just dont want to hear it,and I think thats not too much to ask.
Or the short version,Waid is an a-hole who cant write any more.Avoid Marvel.It shouldnt be hard.
Looks like the attention of mainstream media is slowly turning towards the comic industry.And it looks like Mark Waid and Dan Slott might also be guilty of sexual harassment.So far its all just rumors,but somehow,I wouldn't be surprised. :unsure:
I can for sure see Slott being guilty of sexual harassment, hands down. Just the way he acts pretty much says so. As for Waid, I'm unsure. True, he's been shoveling his personal politics into his writing lately but he used to be a pretty good guy. Not sure...wouldn't be amazed though if it did come about he was guilty of sexual harassment...just not sure if it's a current thing or something that happened back in the day.
He sure does act like somebody with a chip on his shoulder.And being a good writer (long time ago),doesnt mean he cant be a horrible human being.
Ofc,its all still just rumors.
Very true.
Different kind of big news; Alonso is no longer the editor in chief.C.B Cebulski is the new EiC.
His achivments dont seem that impressive,but he cant be worst then Alonso.Right?Right?
Slott's a jerk for sure, but for whatever reason I don't believe he's a sexual harasser. And I don't buy Waid is one either unless it was a long time ago since he's far more social justice orientated as late. I'll say though Avengers and Champions haven't been bad about the politics for a long time because they've been in a lengthy crossover right now where they fight the High Evolutionary. The only real thing "political" is the heroes kinda rolling their eyes at the HE's followers calling him God and the fact that characters like Jane Foster Thor and Kamala Khan are present. But I don't think them being present automatically should be considered shoving politics into the book.
As for avoiding Marvel, if you mean the online personas, I'm fine, I don't personally engage any of them and I don't read about that that often (I'm not reading any of their twitters right now or anything like that) Avoiding the books, though? Brother, I ain't going to do that. Comics books, at their core, should be entertainment, and I'm only buying books I enjoy and I enjoy them quite a bit. If I stopped buying any Marvel I'd literally be picking up 2 titles (and before this week it would have been 1), not counting trades.
As for the Alonso leaving, probably for the best. C.B. is potentially good. I'm not super aware about his contributions but I think he could probably do a good job. When people talk about the jerks he doesn't tend to come up.
Iv been told I complain too much on the internet,so I will try to keep this short,and brutal.I just dont care.
This isnt the Marvel universe I liked.Or even the one I came to tolerate.
You cant go home again,I know.Whatever the mercenary nest of washouts,journalists and deviant artists wrapped in foil and sold as chocolate;I wont be there to check it out.Everything aside,they are not making good comics,thats the bottom line.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on November 22, 2017, 03:41:38 PM
Iv been told I complain too much on the internet,so I will try to keep this short,and brutal.I just dont care.
This isnt the Marvel universe I liked.Or even the one I came to tolerate.
You cant go home again,I know.Whatever the mercenary nest of washouts,journalists and deviant artists wrapped in foil and sold as chocolate;I wont be there to check it out.Everything aside,they are not making good comics,thats the bottom line.
Felt that way for decades...
Quote from: daglob on November 22, 2017, 03:57:41 PM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on November 22, 2017, 03:41:38 PM
Iv been told I complain too much on the internet,so I will try to keep this short,and brutal.I just dont care.
This isnt the Marvel universe I liked.Or even the one I came to tolerate.
You cant go home again,I know.Whatever the mercenary nest of washouts,journalists and deviant artists wrapped in foil and sold as chocolate;I wont be there to check it out.Everything aside,they are not making good comics,thats the bottom line.
Felt that way for decades...
Oh come on. Everything up until recently was fine. Yes, there's been crap, but there's always been crap. That said, SE makes you wonder...
No,its been crap for a while now,its just that some things provided a final nail.At least IMO.
Event fatigue, decompressed storylines, betraying classic characters for short term gains, a lack of basic editing, and poor writing and art for more expensive comics. Yeah, I havent bought a Marvel book in a while, canceled my Marvel Unlimited subscription a few months ago, but signed back up for a free month with the Punisher promo code.
In the meanwhile I gave DC another chance and have really been enjoying Batman, Mister Miracle and Bug! About Forager of the New Gods.
The problem is Marvel has fanboys and people who would rather be doing something other than comics running the company......into the ground.
I keep starting this and it develops into a rant that I can't follow after I write it.
Very little that I knew about characters I read in the '80s is still true. The characters are revamped, re-imaged (made more like an Image character?), updated, rebooted, re-invented, matured, re-designed, retconned, and sometimes regurgitated.
...and if I go much beyond this I start to rant again.
Okay, so I'm old; I started Spider-Man with #11 (got #9 and #10 next week), and the FF with #19. I read these characters for years, until... I think they started writing them more for the writers than the readers.
I keep ranting.
The skill and care, possibly love for these characters, of the guys and gals in the Bullpen made me care for them. Stan Lee and any combination of artist, Roy Thomas, Archie Goodwin, Marv Wolfman, Gerry Conway and all the other writers and artists treated these characters with a kind of respect. That no longer happens. I understand the desire to create you own character (hey, look at my icon), but re-writing an existing character to make them your own doesn't always please the existing readers nor always draw new reader to the mag. The changes come faster and faster so the failures do too. I quit reading the X-Men because I couldn't stand to see characters I cared about in pain all the time. Claremont did that. But the writers and artist on the series before that made me care that he was torturing them every issue. Maybe some people love the unrelenting angst and pain, but I don't.
Look at Captain Mar-Vell: if you read a synopsis of the character over the past 40 years, including the other Captain Marvels, it reads like most of the character histories since the '90s. The changes in Cap during the last few issues of his comic were confusing at best... and now there are a lot of "Captain Marvel"s out there, changing from issue to issue trying to find a formula, make a connection with a group, tap in to a feeling, all in the pursuit of sales. Sales is what it is all about, but obviously what they are doing is not working... so they do it again... and again... and...
No one seems to have learned the lesson of The Scarlet Spider/Spider-Man Ben.
Constantly reinventing characters without letting the new direction stick will pretty much kill them.Captain Britain shows up every 5 years or so,for example.
Also,constant reboots will drive away even the most hardcore fans.Case in point;Legion of Superheroes.
I have seen creators complaining that if the readers had just given them a little more time they would have seen what they were trying to do (the readers didn't understand us, the readers didn't get us, the readers have no patience, it's all the reader's fault they don't see that this is pure genius). How many issues did they get? How long before the lack of sales caused the powers that be to pull the plug?
Look at mini-series. A good mini tells it's story in four, maybe six issues. But you have to make the readers come back each issue to see what happens, and the last issue has to have a "pay off" that makes the other books worth having read. They talk about "story arcs", which can be considered mini series within the regular series. You have to treat them almost like a novel, with a beginning, a middle, and an end, even if that end is just a pause before the next arc, or it is part of a series of interwoven arcs. Sometimes it reads more like mental... lets call it self abuse. It might be fun for the writer and artist, but not anyone else. I quit reading The Maxx and Shi because it got to where it was like the writers were talking to themselves.
I dunno, but I'm pretty sure I care more for Marvel's character than most of the writers and artists do.
(Lots of ranting excised)
Which is expected when you recruit people who never had any contact with comics.Alonso being a good example;he was a newspaper editor who landed a job at Vertigo in its twilight days,then went to Marvel and got to be EiC.
Im not saying they should just hire fans (after all,owning shoes doesnt make you a cobbler),but recruiting journalists seems like a wrong approach.
Anyway,I dont believe a new editor will change much.At this point,the damage is done.
Its really sad, actually. On this forum you've got some of the most dedicated fans out there. We've been reading comics for decades, and supporting a game for nearly 2 decades with new content from all of our favorite comics. We talk glowingly about the movies and TV shows but no one has a good word to say about the current state of their comics...
Well, it's good that Bendis is gone...does that count?
As mentioned earlier in the thread,they never managed to capitalise on the succes of the movies.
And apparently schwama sales skyrocketed after it was mentioned in the Avengers,so that should put things in perspective.
Quote from: detourne_me on November 24, 2017, 12:27:34 AM
Its really sad, actually. On this forum you've got some of the most dedicated fans out there. We've been reading comics for decades, and supporting a game for nearly 2 decades with new content from all of our favorite comics. We talk glowingly about the movies and TV shows but no one has a good word to say about the current state of their comics...
Indeed, we have passionate fans here.
Well, if nothing else, I'm still enjoying a handful of books. At the moment I'm struggling to finish this week's comics, but I can say from what I read of Spider-Man/Vs. Deadpool (the second issue of the new run) I'm enjoying the run. It had some good DP quips, such as him making fun of editorial boxes.
I'm not nearly as harsh about the last few decades of Marvel and DC (though there are certainly stories I do dislike and have talked at length about here); a big part of that might be I wasn't around for those older stories the first time.
World War Hulk 2.Nice to know Alonso is still with us in spirit.
Good news,everyone.Dan Slott is doing his final arc of Spiderman.
I actually bought a new Marvel comic this week! :thumbup: Ed Piskor's Xmen: Grand Design #1 was everything I'd hoped it would be and more... now only need to wait a year for #2.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on December 20, 2017, 05:19:40 AM
Good news,everyone.Dan Slott is doing his final arc of Spiderman.
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It's about damn time. [
EDIT In the event that my image hosting provider is being an enormous arse (as is the case at the time of this writing) and in the event it wasn't clear what I'm referencing, it's a picture of Hope Van Dyne from the end of the Ant-Man movie. On the plus side, YAY, cute cat photo and my current profile pic is now a cat without me having to do anything!]
I look forward to seeing who the new writer will be. Depending on the creative team and story direction I may be picking up Amazing for the first time in about 2-3 years. I'm still going to read the rest of Slott's run at some point, since He started Renew Your Vows and I mean to read that, and because he's doing a nifty crossover with Venom right now which I definitely want to read at some point in the future.
Also,around 7 titles got canceled.Ok,seriously,guess which ones? 😀
And Jim Starlin quits Marvel.Over a feud with Tom Brevoort.
I heard about both of those. Of those, Iceman, Luke Cage, Gwenpool, Generation X, Hawkeye and America. The writer of Captain Marvel says on Twitter it's not ending, though it's apparently off the March Solicits.
I've been expecting Gen X to be cancelled since pretty much since it was announced. I'm ok with that. I quite like the book, but the nice thing about X-Men books like this one is most of these characters will bounce off to some other book (indeed, Gen X was aplenty with X-Men student cameos, Anole and Transsonic made cameos in this week's issue) Assuming some writer like Chris Yost doesn't just kill some of them off.
Hawkeye's a shame, but I never read the rest after Fraction's run, and I like to think Kate will bounce on to some other book in the future. I hear Champions is having a membership drive! (that's not a joke, they're literally doing a membership drive in an upcoming issue)
Speaking of Champions, the now-wrapped up Avengers/Champions crossover had some important ramifications:
Spoiler
Viv Vision was turned into a human (or humanoid) by the High Evolutionary, then "died" (but really was transported to some other world) then was "downloaded" into a new Synthezoid body by Vision...but in the process was split into two different beings, one Synthezoid and one human. Crazy.
I actually quite like this story. I actually called before Champions launched that Mark Waid would make me a fan of Viv and he did, and so I was very invested in seeing what would happen to her.
Though this does bring up a recurring issue I have with modern Marvel and DC superhero comics. Accessibility. They have this thing where they like to play off earlier stories without actually telling you what the past continuity is in the book you're currently reading, even if it informs the current events. And this issue is no different. In this issue Vision is asked who Viv's brain patterns are based on and he doesn't answer, because he's grief stricken, but the scene is clearly evoking something from Tom King's Vision, which I didn't read; and while a reference to Viv's deceased brother much earlier in the series also did this, the context was far more self-evident; he died. So, this was a "I'll have to look this up later once I've gotten caught up in this week's books" moment and hey, what do you know? Turns out not only was the answer "Vision's now-dead wife, as seen in Tom King's Vision" but in fact this new "Viv 2.0" body wasn't even something Waid came up with out of nowhere, it was an explicit plot point in King's Vision as Vish wanted to revive his dead wife with a new robot body. And guess what? Not one bit of that was even hinted at in the issue I just read! See, this is the part that vexes me. In situations like this it feels like I'm being "punished" for not reading a completely different series. And it's funny, because modern Marvel and DC do use recap boxes (for a few years they outright refused to use them, even going so far as to airbrush them out of Busiek Avengers trades) but they're selective about it to a fault, for whatever reason. This does just further reinforce something I already kinda decided, which I'm going to have to go back at some point and read the rest of Tom King's Vision.
As usual,Bleeding Stool gang are offended becuse they canceled 2 titles with gay leads.Maybe because they werent selling?Just guessing.Which can happen when you have books about characters nobody cares for,written by people nobody heard off.
Love him or hate him, but Stan Lee turned 95 Thursday.
There are people who hate Stan Lee? That's news to me.
Congrats to him. I've been saying all year that if he made it out of 2017 alive, it means he's effectively immortal. Which certainly seems to be the case in his movie appearances.
I like the idea that he's The Watcher of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
'Stan Lee' was a category on yesterday's Jeopardy. The first and last questions were videos of him doing the asking (like Alex's Clue Crew).
Naturally, I got them all right. :thumbup:
Quote from: Silver Shocker on December 31, 2017, 02:56:01 AM
There are people who hate Stan Lee? That's news to me.
About that,truth is probably in the middle.He probably did claim more credit then he deserved,but I doubt he was a Bob Kane level douchebag some people make him out to be.
Looks like there are good chances that the new creative team on ASM will be Nick Spencer and Ryan Ottley.Kind of a perfect storm in the making.
Well, Spencer was rumored awhile back. I'm apparently the only person in comics fandom who doesn't hate Spencer now so I'm all in. You'd think I hate the prospect since the argument could be made that Spencer's Cap was very much of the same "comics as open hostility" vibe as Slott, but the difference is I personally never found any of the stuff Spencer did in his run offensive (not meaning to belittle anyone who did, I'm just saying I didn't dislike it) I'm not sure what the approach will be (I'm personally hoping for "Anti-Slott") but it'd have to actively try to suck to be as bad as Slott's run. As for Ottley, he can suck a lime. I didn't like him on Invincible and I don't expect I'll like him on Spidey. But I've accepted at this stage that the universe assigns artists on my books specifcialy to spite me and (Why hello there Aaron Kuder and Nick Bradshaw on Infinity Countdown
gag me with a spoon) At this rate I'm expecting when Thunderbolts finally comes back it'll be drawn by Frank Miller circa Holy Terror.
Jim Zub and Charles Soule each have mystery projects to be announced in the future. I've got my fingers crossed, (
for a little freaky deaky) not necessarily for Thunderbolts but at least for something I'd be interested in. Also Gail Simone is writing a Domino series. I don't expect to read it myself but good for her.
Over in Astonishing X-Men:
Spoiler
Stewart is out, Macavoy is in!! :thumbup: In a move I have to assume is half synergy and half ripping off the Buffy comic wholesale. And yes, he's actually just inhabiting Fantomex's body but everybody keeps saying he's "about thirty" so he's clearly supposed to be Macavoy. And as dopey a plot turn as this is I'm an unabashed Macavoy fan so I'm loving it. The jury's out on how Deadpool feels about it though. Also Proteus is back...somehow.
There will be a new Exiles series.With the movie/Valkyre as one of the characters.How creative. #houseofideas
And Marvel got Conan back.Because they are not satisfied with driving their own heroes into ground.
Also,I wont find out what was up with that guy from Busieks run.Okay,it was obvious who he was,but the plot is left unresolved.
Dan Buckley is kicked upstairs and John Nee is the new Publisher.Im not at all familiar with him.He was doing some manga related work for DC and Wildstorm.
Another reboot/relaunch/whatever is announced and seem to be doing what Legacy promised and returning original heroes back.
I finished first volume of Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider,and its not as bad as I gave it credit the first time.It still feels like a failed Deadpool pitch at parts,however.
Im also slowly catching up with Venom.Its got Stegron,so that a big plus.But thats probably just me.
Marvel needs to do a reboot, ala Crisis On Infinite Earths or 52....
There's a pic out of the Avengers after this "refresh", and I have one problem with it:
Spoiler
Ghost Rider on the team makes less sense than Spider-Man and Wolverine. The whole Spirit of Vengeance thing will clash with the rest of the team, and I expect he won't be a member for long.
Quote from: GhostMachine on February 24, 2018, 02:53:31 AM
Marvel needs to do a reboot, ala Crisis On Infinite Earths or 52....
There's a pic out of the Avengers after this "refresh", and I have one problem with it:
Spoiler
Ghost Rider on the team makes less sense than Spider-Man and Wolverine. The whole Spirit of Vengeance thing will clash with the rest of the team, and I expect he won't be a member for long.
They don't need to do a reboot. They just need to have good writing. And they need to remember what the Avengers are actually about.
Spoiler
As for Ghost Rider, Marvel has been turning the Avengers into a Justice League clone ever since Bendis came on in 2004, and that means putting just about every previously established big name on the title at some point even if it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Wolverine, Daredevil, Blade, you name it. With JL this works better because back when the team first started, barely anyone had a real personality, so they could just put in anyone without worrying about whether or not they clashed with the rest of the team. Which isn't the case with Avengers. And Marvel doesn't care. The real reason GR's on the team isn't because of anything in-universe, oh-no. It's because GR is a semi-known name which means he should be on the Avengers. That's all there is to it.
Avengers dont need a lineup change as much as a writer change.TBH,that part of Marvels franchise has been in the dump since Busiek left.
About the other point,nobody really knows what the hell are Avengers about.They just decided to hang out one day and Wasp came up with a name that sounded cool.There is really no mission statement or a guiding spirit there,ever.
They had a kind of reason to hang out together: that they could handle more dangerous menaces if they worked together... which was a real problem with The Hulk, Thor, and Iron Man (and then Giant Man): anyone less than Thanos (who hadn't been created) or Galactus (ditto) could be handled in a couple of pages. This is also the reason that the "big guns" took a hiatus, leaving Cap with Hawkeye, The Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver. These Avengers were 'way less powerful than the ones they replaced... an then they added Goliath/Giant Man back... kind of experimenting to see if it worked.
Im trying to say that Avengers were always kinda random.Ask a few people about the Justice League linup,you will get very similar responses.Ask them about Avengers (lets pretend the films didnt happen) and you would get very different takes.
Not saying I can really justify the inclusion of Ghost Rider here.Other then as another pointless attempt at synergy.
IIRC correctly,he was in Ultimate Avengers.But that was a Suicide Squad setup that included Punisher as well.So that doesnt really prove anything.
I'm not disagreeing about your take on including Ghost Rider. It seems a strange choice. Who will be next; Morbius? Man-Thing?
Quote from: daglob on February 25, 2018, 08:20:08 PM
I'm not disagreeing about your take on including Ghost Rider. It seems a strange choice. Who will be next; Morbius? Man-Thing?
If either of them gets a movie, then yes.
Well, Man-Thing had one... :D
Well,Im not that against it.Like I said,its been,sort of, done; Ghost Rider was in several teams,and Avengers had a rotating lineup.Thou,I dont think the reasoning went beyond- he was in AoS,so lets get 3 people who watch that to buy a comic.
Still,in a hands of a competent writer(ha ha ha),there is potential.
Lockjaw has a miniseries? :blink:
Another series about a character nobody cares about,written by a person nobody heard of.Its a day ending in Y for Marvel.
Quote from: daglob on March 01, 2018, 04:05:39 AM
Lockjaw has a miniseries? :blink:
Pretty simple logic, MARVEL discovered fans at Cons were asking about Lockjaw from the Inhumans series simply because he was the ONLY character in the TV show that folks could get attached to.. especially dog lovers. Plus it's way cheaper to do a Lockjaw mini series comic then a Lockjaw mini series TV show.. unless someone at Marvel Animation gets an idea for a Marvel Pets series.
- CQ
Didnt they close down their animation department recently?
Quote from: HarryTrotter on March 01, 2018, 10:30:56 PM
Didnt they close down their animation department recently?
Marvel Animation is undergoing a major revamp since it's being fully moved under the Disney Animation umbrella now (which was rebuilt by the PIXAR team).. The Big Hero 6 series on Disney XD is part of that division however the newest Spider-Man cartoon, Avengers Assembled, and Guardians Of The Galaxy were shut down once their remaining episodes in production were complete. Rumors are that upper management within Marvel Entertainment (i.e. Jeph Loeb) wasn't pleased with recent ratings and wondering why they are not getting a huge boost from the popularity of the movies even if they borrow from the cinematic universe designs. What plans they have in store ahead is unknown.. something tells me we will not know until D23 or San Diego Comic Con.
- CQ
We can only hope they do a better job in the future.Should be hard to top 3 guys with flash animation program,thou.
I always thought they should do Power Pack as an animated series,but that probably wouldnt fly today.They would have to be diversified and all that.
And its true,Nick Spencer {of Secret Empire fame} and Ryan Ottley {of Invincible fame} are taking over Amazing Spiderman.
So again,Fresh Start...isnt going to be Marvels Rebirth.Sure,OG heroes are back,but its still Waid,Waid,Waid,Slott,Young,Slott,Slott.Only this time,with origin stories.Because thats really what we need at this moment.
While I kinda hate the term paradigm shift; I dont think Marvel noticed the paradigm shift happening in the industry.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on March 08, 2018, 07:19:31 PM
So again,Fresh Start...isnt going to be Marvels Rebirth.Sure,OG heroes are back,but its still Waid,Waid,Waid,Slott,Young,Slott,Slott.Only this time,with origin stories.Because thats really what we need at this moment.
While I kinda hate the term paradigm shift; I dont think Marvel noticed the paradigm shift happening in the industry.
Yes indeedy. A fresh start. With an Avengers team consisting mostly of characters with their own books like they've been doing since Hickman/Bendis. Who needs character development in an Avengers book, am I right? ;)
And I've been meaning to say this for awhile, but in response to when you said the Avengers was never really about anything,
that's what it was about. A focus on characters who didn't have their own books rather than those who did, allowing for some decent character development that gave the book its' own identity separate from something like Justice League. Hell, you could argue that when JLI came around, they cribbed from the Avengers model, the only difference being that they injected a hefty dose of humor into it. Only now Marvel seems to want to turn Avengers into the League, and that's just not what Avengers should be.
Id love to see an anthology book like Marvel Comics Presents for the characters/creators that can't seem to handle a monthly book with good quality. Since most team books now are used for events, an anthology book with d-list heroes would probably be better. It gets a bit tiresome seeing a team like The Champions school the Avengers.
KK,only not really,like I said,Avengers were always a weird spontanous thing.They were never a family like say X-men or a "workplace" like JLA.They were in a weird grey area.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on March 09, 2018, 02:33:31 PM
KK,only not really,like I said,Avengers were always a weird spontanous thing.They were never a family like say X-men or a "workplace" like JLA.They were in a weird grey area.
...And that has to do with mostly having characters not in their own books
how?
Im not sure if If I catch your drift here' your problem is with the Wolverine publicity of modern age line-ups?
Quote from: HarryTrotter on March 11, 2018, 05:50:27 AM
Im not sure if If I catch your drift here' your problem is with the Wolverine publicity of modern age line-ups?
Sort of, but that's not just it. I wouldn't mind someone like Spiderman or Wolverine being Avengers if they didn't have their own books. But they do. And because of that, they can't be properly developed in Avengers itself and you need to go read their own books to see them developed instead. Whereas if you had characters like Vision or Wonder Man in their place, you could have actual, meaningful character development. Prior to Bendis, Avengers was NOT about Marvel's greatest heroes teaming up. It was about giving the spotlight to characters without their own titles that couldn't hold their own books. Which also allowed for actual character development in Avengers itself. I don't see how this is hard to understand.
Ideally, I want Avengers to be completely self-contained. To have absolutely no characters with their own titles so so the book can do whatever it wants with its' cast. And some of the classic runs came close to that. Remember Cap's Kooky Quartet?
I agree wholeheartedly, kkhohoho!
Quote from: kkhohoho on March 11, 2018, 05:59:10 AM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on March 11, 2018, 05:50:27 AM
Im not sure if If I catch your drift here' your problem is with the Wolverine publicity of modern age line-ups?
Sort of, but that's not just it. I wouldn't mind someone like Spiderman or Wolverine being Avengers if they didn't have their own books. But they do. And because of that, they can't be properly developed in Avengers itself and you need to go read their own books to see them developed instead. Whereas if you had characters like Vision or Wonder Man in their place, you could have actual, meaningful character development. Prior to Bendis, Avengers was NOT about Marvel's greatest heroes teaming up. It was about giving the spotlight to characters without their own titles that couldn't hold their own books. Which also allowed for actual character development in Avengers itself. I don't see how this is hard to understand.
Ideally, I want Avengers to be completely self-contained. To have absolutely no characters with their own titles so so the book can do whatever it wants with its' cast. And some of the classic runs came close to that. Remember Cap's Kooky Quartet?
Or that one time when a bunch of nobodies wore matching jackets and got involved into way too soap-operific antics.Eh,Im so depressed that I can even make fun of Bob Harras... :unsure:
But I digress...there are no bad characters,only bad writers.Who is on the team shouldn't be a problem as long as you can tell a good story.And thats the problem with this reboot and every else since Marvel Now (2012).You can switch the players around,but its still the same team.And their results have been spotty at best in this decade.
If you didn't care for
Totally Awesome Hulk,you probably wont care for
Immortal Hulk.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on March 11, 2018, 07:19:29 PM
Quote from: kkhohoho on March 11, 2018, 05:59:10 AM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on March 11, 2018, 05:50:27 AM
Im not sure if If I catch your drift here' your problem is with the Wolverine publicity of modern age line-ups?
Sort of, but that's not just it. I wouldn't mind someone like Spiderman or Wolverine being Avengers if they didn't have their own books. But they do. And because of that, they can't be properly developed in Avengers itself and you need to go read their own books to see them developed instead. Whereas if you had characters like Vision or Wonder Man in their place, you could have actual, meaningful character development. Prior to Bendis, Avengers was NOT about Marvel's greatest heroes teaming up. It was about giving the spotlight to characters without their own titles that couldn't hold their own books. Which also allowed for actual character development in Avengers itself. I don't see how this is hard to understand.
Ideally, I want Avengers to be completely self-contained. To have absolutely no characters with their own titles so so the book can do whatever it wants with its' cast. And some of the classic runs came close to that. Remember Cap's Kooky Quartet?
Or that one time when a bunch of nobodies wore matching jackets and got involved into way too soap-operific antics.Eh,Im so depressed that I can even make fun of Bob Harras... :unsure:[/i]
Hey, I liked that run. (Up until the end of the Proctor arc anyway.) It was good stuff.
Except... Avengers has ALWAYS been a book that's had characters from other books. It STARTED as a team up of characters with solo books that they put in one book. Yes, Stan whittled that down very early on (with the original team leaving and putting Cap in charge) but even at that point Cap had his own solo book in which he was having solo adventures and character development. That's not to even go into Iron Man and Thor, who have almost always had solo series runs running alongside their tenures in Avengers. Ideally, having a character in both can work fine in the same way that having Avengers films and Captain America films do... the solo films progress the story of the character while the team up movie allows you to deepen the relationships and explore the character from the standpoint of the team/social dynamic... how does Cap get along with IM, etc.
That having been said, the problem with Wolverine especially is that Wolverine is ALREADY in like 4 teams. We SEE Wolverine interacting with teams pretty consistently, and his character growth when it comes to leading the Xavier school was more interesting then anything he's done in any avengers book. Even Spider-Man, who I personally like having in the Avengers because I feel the character has earned A-list status on the A-list team (even if Marvel itself wants to consistently regress the character for no reason) has had a series of team up books that make him being on the Avengers prior to Bendis' run kinda pointless.
Quote from: Tomato on March 12, 2018, 06:15:07 AM
Except... Avengers has ALWAYS been a book that's had characters from other books.
I know that. But for the most part, it usually only had a few of them. Often no more than 3. Most of the rest of the team was strictly contained to Avengers, and that was who the book focused on.
Do you count characters who were in other team books,like New Warriors or X-men?
Funny thing about that, I was writing a lengthy response that I ultimately didn't post because I didn't feel it said anything important that wasn't said already, but one of the things I mentioned was that Busiek's run had Firestar and Justice in it. Since New Warriors had ended and they weren't in the short-lived Jay Faerber run, Busiek was free to use them without restriction, such as have Justice spend an entire arc with his leg in a cast.
I'm currently trying to get through the Spider-Man/Deadpool arc where they're both old men in retirement homes (I somehow managed to miss pt 1 when it came out, and as with the Kelly volume, they go back and forth with the different storylines) and it's really not that good. As with the non-stop string of Cullen Bunn minis, it has surprisingly little comedy that works, even with a premise that has potential.
Well Wondercon just happened and comics announcements are pouring out at a steady pace. Let's do a quick Marvel comics roundup:
1. April will feature $1 reprints of Thanos and Adam Warlock stories as well as the first appearance of Carol Danvers as Ms. Marvel. These include the earliest appearances of Thanos, Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity War, The Starlin/Ron Lim Silver Surfer run, and Thanos Rising.
2. May will feature $1 Wolverine reprints (which they already did a little over a year ago, but now they're doing it again with different books. This is obviously to tie-in with the Hunt For Wolverine books. These include Kitty Pryde & Wolverine, the Claremont solo series, more material from Marvel Comics Presents, a 90's Venom comic that includes Wolverine, issue #50 of Loeb's Wolverine. As a bonus, they're also putting out a $1 reprint of the first issue of Exiles, to promote the new series. It will be 48 pgs, as was the original comic, but will still be $1.
3. June will feature $1 Ant-Man and Wasp comics. These include early stories featuring Hank and Jan, the issue featuring the famous, often replicated visual of Ant-Man riding on Hawkeye's arrow, the first appearance of Scott Lang, and an issue of Iron Man featuring Scott. There's also going to be a Ant-Man and the Wasp miniseries by Waid, featuring Scott Lang and Nadia, and a one-shot featuring Scott Lang and Jan by Ralph Maccio and Andrea Divito (in April, the same creative team is doing a Infinity Gauntlet Gems-themed Avengers one shot).
4. There's going to be a Quicksilver mini series spinning out of the current Avengers storyline. As a huge Quicksilver fan, I'm looking forward to it. The writer for it is the guy who wrote Black Bolt's comic. No idea if he's any good, but at least he's writing something better than Black Bolt.
5. There's going to be an immediate followup to Infinity Countdown called Infinity War. Very much looks like more of the same. I'm fine with that, because Duggan's Guardians of the Galaxy was my favourite Marvel book at the time and this book and Infinity Countdown are direct continuations of that, but I'm sure there will be (and indeed, is) much snarking about Marvel rehashing. At least this new one's set to have better art than Infinity Countdown and thank Kirby for that.
6. Fantastic Four returns....written by Dan Slott. To directly quote someone from the CBR comments: "Oy. Not Dan Slott. Fresh Start is the same old Marvel that we've been getting, but playing musical chairs." I'll say that between Slott taking over Iron Man and Slott taking on FF, I'm of two minds. On the one hand, I don't like he's getting rewarded for his terrible Spider-Man work with primo assignments, but on the other hand, he's not ruining anything I particularly care about, yet, so it's no hair off my back. Plus after all these years, he's finally off Spidey, and hopefully Spencer or a later writer can start repairing some of the damage he caused. Fantastic Four and Iron Man fans, however, should start picking out funeral tuxes, taking bets in the Dead Pool, and get ready for Superior Iron...oh wait, they already did that...Superior Fantastic?
7. Marvel's teasing something involving Amazing Spider-Man and something else involving Uncanny X-Men...yay?
Superior Four has a better ring to it.Actually,if he does pull Doctor Doom,Annihilus and/or some big name villains in there,I would check it out. :)
Saladin Ahmed?No,hes terrible.
All in all,Marvel continues to drive itself into an early grave with the same tactics they were using for the past 5 or so years.Good Game,everyone.
I was thinking a variation on the name "Mr. Fantastic", but you're right, Superior Four does sound a lot better. And while the premise you posited does sound promising, that kind of thing, I would say, is really not in Slott's wheelhouse. In that issue where the Sinister 6 curb-stomped the Intelligentsia, he didn't come off well in terms of handling a villain team dynamic. During a serious fight, he had Mysterio slacking off playing Angry Birds because "Lol so random" + "Pop Culture Reference". I and some other Spidey fans thought it was lame comedy and went against what the tone of that story should have been.
QuoteSaladin Ahmed?No,hes terrible.
You saying that does make me tempted to do some further research. I'm tempted to say I shouldn't hold it against any writer that they wrote an Inhumans book, since modern Inhumans are cancer because Marvel has/had an agenda. Then again, I can imagine in my head the way the ways the actual writer could be terrible. I guess I've just read enough terrible and/or flawed comics by poor writers. That being said, I did read an interview about the Quicksilver miniseries and it actually does sound like he has a good handle on what the character is all about. Compare to Remender who made Quicksilver too jokey so he was just another Spider-Man (and I know I was right about that because every single writer since has written Quicksilver properly. Not that I doubted myself, mind you)
Speaking of Inhumans, Marvel just teased "Death of the Inhumans". About time. X-Men had "Death of X" so it's only fair Inhumans get their turn.
QuoteAll in all,Marvel continues to drive itself into an early grave with the same tactics they were using for the past 5 or so years.Good Game,everyone.
The funny thing is, I have no doubt comic fans were saying the same thing 5 years ago and another 5 before that. Yet, for better or worse, they're still here. Keep in mind, I'm not saying some of the books and practices aren't crap, some of them certainly are.
About the last part,thats true up to a point.Fans always complained,but these days its a bit worst then usual,because,honestly Marvel is worst then ever IMO.Putting personal politics above the story and generaly being an a-hole online (Im talking about Marvel employees in general) has driven a number of fans away.
I think Marvel will be around in 5 years,but I dont think it will survive in its current form.Current owners never showed interest in publishing comics,they just want to harvest IP.Yeah,Disney ia pretty much Borg.
Anyhow,Fractions FF...aged terribly in just 4 years.Was it trying to go for a Superior Foes style humor?Was it just trying to let us know Fraction hates Doom?Was it even trying?Well,Fraction is a bit overrated anyway.
The series even pulls off a John Byrne and shows Fraction and Brevoort visiting Future Foundation.How clever.
Fraction and Brevoort aren't even worthy to carry Byrne's writing and drawing tools....
John Byrne witnessing the trial of Reed Richards is dramatic,Mark Millar and Wally West sitting in a pub is charming,this case is just forced.In a "we are so meta" way.
Fraction had good runs on Iron Fist,Iron Man (up to the point Tony has to kiss Doc Ocks tentacle) and Hawkeye,but I never found him to be "American Grant Morrison".Not to say he isnt a better writer then Marvels current batch of has-beens and never-were's,but Im going wide again...
Fraction is okay,but really overrated.And FF isnt his best work.Also,did he mention he really hates Doctor Doom?
And I might as well cave in and finish Astonishing Ant-Man at this point.
Fraction was especially poor on Uncanny X-Men. Yeah, there's the "Uncanny Curse" but he seemed especially out of his element there. Greg Land on art certainly didn't help.
Honestly,Im not familiar with his X-men work.He borrowed a lot from New X-men,I think?
Anyhow,there are oddball cult books and books trying to be oddball and cult.Fraction writes the second kind.Sometimes it works to a moderate degree.In case of FF,it doesnt.
Rocket vol. 1 Classic Ewing.You got element of prison break,heist film,noir and a Deapool guest apperence.As usual,everything and the kitchen sink but all those element never come together.
Hey look,those guys from Captain Britain,and Halfworld,and Deadpool,and a Daredevil parody...and where was I going with this?
Spiderman FCBD issue leaked online.And its actually interesting.In terms os status quo it seems to be a return to Jenkins days.It might draw in some old fans,but its not all that welcoming to new readers.(ha,new readers :lol:)
Spoiler
Boomerang
is Peters roomate,so expect some wacky situations,I guess.
So I did read that FCBD Spidey story when it came out. I quite enjoyed it. Color me intrigued for Spencer's run. I do conceive that there are some niggling flaws (as others pointed out online, such as Rhino being out of character) but none of the that matters because
finally Amazing Spider-Man not written by Slott. It could only be a massive improvement graded on the biggest curve in the history of comics. Turns out that's not even necessary. It's just a fun Spidey story that, I agree, hearkens back to the Jenkins days, which was right around when I started reading comics, and so for me Spidey will always be more in that mold, a somewhat dorky, somewhat world weary adult, instead of an embarrassing pathetic manchild. Speaking of which, in the preview for Spencer's first issue we see Spidey show up to a big Super hero bruhaha and crack a joke as he showed up, only for everybody else to groan because apparently everyone in universe hates Spidey now too. Not surprisingly this got some groaning of its own from fans online and I get it, I do. But once again,
someone other than Slott is writing the damn book, just roll with it. Spoiler
LOVE the prospect of more Boomerang. That one thing made me REALLY on board for something I was already on board for. I love it when that happens.
In less stellar news, Amazing Spidey-Man #800 just came out, the culmination of Slott's big Red Goblin arc (I haven't read it and it still feels so tedious I feel like I did). It landed with all the anticipation of a rotten gourd hitting a wall for obvious reasons. It's a microcosm of everything wrong with Slott's run, but none of the other stuff matters because there's only one thing I want to talk about, the big spoiler, the thing everyone wanted to comment on (and apparently called well in advance)
Spoiler
Dan Slott kills Flash Thompson, the former (awesome) Agent Venom-turned Agent Anti-Venom. :thumbdown: Boo! Shame on you, Slott. He just had to find a way to make his mark and do the most damage before he left, as if he hadn't done enough. One more notch on his belt, killing a Lee-Ditko original. You know, Inferior Spider-Man made me annoyed. Spider-Verse made me angry. Now I'm just tired. I'm tired of the B.S. I'm tired of "kill characters because that's the only way we can think of to tell interesting stories". Pro tip to all writers everywhere across all mediums. If you are incapable of telling good stories without killing off pre-established characters, if that's the ONLY thing you can do to hold people's interest, you are a BAD, limited. uncreative writer.
So Danny Boy gets his way, a great character dies meaning no more stories told about him, and he won't be back for a least a few years, and I'm just thinking back to a month or two ago when I read the trades of Venom: Space Knight, starring Flash as Venom, and how enjoyable a series that was and how great it was to get closure on the Mania plots from his earlier title. Here's hoping there's more stories to be told with Mania (that don't involve her being killed off in a story not about her). And I sincerely hope Doc Ock never, ever shows up again in mainstream comics because I am so bloody sick of him (LOL, we all now he's going STRAIGHT to Slott's Iron Man and/or Fantastic Four)
In other news, a new Spider-Verse event is coming out called Spider-Geddon, complete with "Edge of" tie-ins once again. I'm already half-dreading it just from the title alone, but I don't think it could conceivably be as bad or worse than Slott's Spider-Verse. Mind you, the tie-ins to Spider-Verse were actually pretty damn good, so as long as it's not Slott it's going to be fine. I really hope Slott's not writing it.
Mania and Flash showed up in the current(now rebooted again) Venom series.I havent gotten around to Venom Inc yet,so I have no clue how that ended.
Yeah, I remember, they showed up in Venom Inc, which was a crossover between Venom and Amazing. I mean to read the new Venom series at some point.
Also,Slott isnt an idea man.This is the guy who turned Silver Surfer into a Doctor Who rerun and describes his upcoming Iron Man as Black Mirror meets Rick and Morty.We can probably expect Pickle Tony somewhere down the line. :rolleyes:
He's not even that good of an idea man. When he did Horizon High, everyone (myself included) just said "This already happened in Spider-Man. It was called "Tricell" and it happened in the much maligned Byrne-Mackie run." Oh and while I'm on the topic, the Byrne/Mackie run? Better than Slott's run. FACT. Spider-Island: "What if EVERYONE had Spider-Powers". Inferior Spider-Man was really just a dragged out version of
part of the plot of Kraven's Last Hunt, which I haven't actually read, but I have to imagine is better than Inferior. I mean, just about everything other than Spiderverse is.
But all of this is academic, since a premise live and dies, rises and falls on its execution and the execution in Slott's Spider-Man is flawed at best. You can't build a house if the foundation is rotten. Heck, I rooted for his Mighty Avengers and honestly that wasn't even that good (and Christos Gage wrote like half of it anyway) Now, I don't know much about Black Mirror, but I loves me some Rick and Morty, and I don't see where Iron Man comes in there. Iron Man and Rick Sanchez are not the same character, and tone wise the show is closer to Deadpool than anything featuring a conventional Marvel superhero. And maybe, just maybe, an Iron Man comic should remind you of, oh I don't know, Iron Man?
[Edit] Oops, you said isn't an
idea man. Well don't I feel silly. Everything I said still stands. I'll give him one thing, and this is something he gets sore about so I like to think he'd appreciate me saying this: his books are at least well paced. You get a nice meaty story when you read a Slott book. You don't get something that's over in 5 minutes. But as people said about Spidey #800, it's throwing a million ideas at the reader and none of it sticks. Also 10 bucks? Screw right off Marvel.
[Edit] You know, I meant to respond this, because you really did pique my curiosity:
QuoteAnd Marvel got Conan back.Because they are not satisfied with driving their own heroes into ground.
Also,I wont find out what was up with that guy from Busieks run.Okay,it was obvious who he was,but the plot is left unresolved.
Can you explain what was going on with who? Because I'm actually very curious, and I seem to recall I made a quick half-arsed attempt to do the research myself and failed miserably (which probably means I checked TvTropes and then gave up). My knowledge of Conan is fairly limited, so not sure if I wouldn't figured it out, but then again, I have very context to go off.
Oh, here's one I meant to do:
Avengers #2 by Aaron and McGuinness, aka "Marvel, PLEASE for the love of Rao kill off Loki forever!"
So pretty standard Avengers story, meet, fight, team up, followup to that godawful hot garbage caveman thing from the Marvel Legacy One Shot, whatever. But because someone really hates me, it's interspersed with Loki-sempei going on a Doc-Ock rant about how great he is and how much Daddy mistreated him and how he's the REAL greatest Avenger ever and why won't everybody just bow down and acknowledge his greatness and blah blah blah get a blog already! I don't think I've ever been more sick of Loki-sempei than I am after this comic, and I really really REALLY hope this arc ends with someone giving him an epic Luffy-style punch in the face. It doesn't matter who. It can be Jarvis for all I care. On the plus side, apparently Comic!Loki fans hate it too because at the moment it appears to be ignoring years of Loki development, but that requires you to start from a scene logic that posits that Loki snarking his way all over the place because movie isn't the most tedious effing thing ever.
Also, She-Hulk, has, I think, never, ever been this ripped before?! Gotta figure that's somebody's fetish.... :unsure:
Anyways, I've got a epic rant cooking right now about a certain Marvel comic I've been reading lately so look forward to that.
[Edit]: Ok, here we go:
Infinity Countdown #4. Tl;dr: Aaron Kuder's art in this issue sucks. Longer rant under the cut:
Spoiler
You know, Guggan's Guardians of the Galaxy, which got replaced with this miniseries, was my favourite book at the time. I'm still enjoying this miniseries, though not as much, but that's in spite of some truly horrendous art. One thing
that always annoys me to no end, is when a terrible artist (or previously passable-to-decent artist) degrades over time and stays at that level of poor quality in perpetuity, seemingly out of spite, spite towards me. This is one of
those examples. Aaron Kuder, I'm calling you out. Please never work in comics ever again. Because you're terrible, and you should be ashamed of your art in IC #4. Hell, everyone on the creative team on this issue should be ashamed of
your art on this issue. The collective comics industry and fandom should be ashamed for you for this issue. The collective comic art of the planet Earth, from the most inspired artistic psychedelic sequence to the most blatant fanservice
shot, is lesser because of your art in this.
So I was trying to read this damn thing, finish it and Ant-Man and the Wasp so I can check three days worth of comic news without having to worry about front page spoilers (and screw you
comics news websites for making that the norm every single week) and I was getting through the book way slower than usual because the terrible art is so distracting I can't focus on the story and character work. There isn't a single
page here (by Kuder, he's not the only artist on the book) that isn't one of the worst comic pages I've ever seen. I've seen 90's Image books that look drastically better than this dren. I've seen webcomics and fanart better than this
(which is no insult to webcomic artists and fan artists. Some of those blokes are stunningly talented)
In previous issues my big "Why aren't you better" question for Kuder was "Why does everyone look like they're made out of clay?" But that's not the problem in this one. No, I have a bunch of other questions, such as:
-When the Guardians come out of a portal, why do half of them look like cardboard cutouts? I mean, there's a decent chance it's intentional because it's supposed to be some kind of 2D fold in space but that doesn't it excuse it looking like crap.
-Why does a scene of Drax trying to pull off a very Batista-esque line look so much...crappier than it should?
-Why does Peter Quill with his stupid beard always have to look like Lame Dad?
-Why is Nova's mouth located where the brim of the nose would be on a actual human being?
-Why is Rocket's mouth open to an absurdly large degree so that he could not possibly close his mouth properly, making him look like an anaconda about to swallow an animal whole, as opposed to Kuder's Rocket simply looking like a dog or a wolf, instead of, you know, a racoon?
-Why does Rocket not have pupils?
-Why is he drawn to look like he's yelling at the top of his lungs, despite the total LACK of explanation points in his dialogue, indicating that he's speaking at normal voice (for the record, the thing he's actually saying doesn't warrant him yelling at the top his lungs anyway. It's basically just the kind of snarky comment Rocket's known for)
-Why is Rocket's index finger the size and shape of a paintbrush?
-Why does every wide shot in this scene (which is one third of the panels) have an embarrassing lack of detail in the figure work?
-Why does a different third of the panels have no backgrounds whatsoever, resulting in the colorist trying to compensate by adding a garish pink gradient, making it look like the Guardians and the Nova Corp are standing inside the galaxy's largest bottle of Pepto Bismol?
-Why is an entire sequence tinted entirely in red, for no apparent reason?
-Why does Kuder's version of Grandmaster suck so much?
-Why is Gamora's forehead huge in one panel, and her neck huge in another?
-Why does Star-Lord look like his shoulder is melting in one panel?
There's a two page sequence that includes the last two things I mentioned, with 8 panels total, where literally the only thing that is decently drawn is Gamorra's butt. That is pathetic. Jon Malin's art on Thunderbolts is better than this. Every digital promotional tie-in comic by Marvel I think I've ever read (many of which are drawn by solid, reliable, hard working artists like Tom Grummett, Ron Lim, and Andrea Divito who are stuck slumming it on lesser assignments when they deserve to be drawing this) has better art than this. Thank Rao that Kuder isn't doing the followup. Kuder's art on this issue was clearly rushed, but that's no excuse because Kuder hasn't done a single decent or even passable issue this entire run. Now compare that to this
week's Astonishing X-Men. It's drawn by Geraldo Sandoval, an artist I really like. He's also clearly rushed in this issue (I have no clue why, it's the only issue he drew of the book, as every issue is drawn by a different artist) so it
looks more blocky and low-detail than usual for him, and yet, I still enjoyed it. Kuder, when you're best effort is worse than Sandoval's worst work, that's no good.
I decided to look through a earlier book Kuder did, Death of X, in order to see if his work on that was any good. There had to be something I'm missing. Maybe he used to be good and now sucks? Nope, his art in Death of X was even worse.
After looking even through a single issue of it, there's no doubt in my mind. Aaron Kuder is one of the single worst artists in the history of the medium.
And no, I do not give a fraction of a pig's knuckle that Kuder's a Young Gun. Just cause Marvel says he's one of the best doesn't mean I have to agree with. I learned a long time ago that according to someone working at Marvel or DC,
every artist working at Marvel or DC is the best artist ever! They're never going to say an artist currently working at their publisher sucks. As for Kuder's place among the lineup of 2018 Young Guns, he isn't fit to pour cereal for Pepe
Larraz, Javier Garron, Marco Checchetto, Mike Del Mundo and Russel Dauterman. That's like comparing Jon Malin to George Perez. And again, Malin's better than Kuder.
It's abject garbage like this that's made me recently say that I was too harsh to Tom Grummett. I'd debase myself to have him draw this instead of Kuder. Heck, there are few artists I wouldn't rather have draw this.
On the story side:
Spoiler
Phyla and Moondragon are back! Except lol not really because it's an alternate reality version of them. But they take a moment to tease the upcoming villain of the sequel series, Requiem: "Scan their minds before we
leave. Let's see if we can learn who Requiem is." " I already did. They know nothing." Requiem also got randomly teased in the Daredevil tie-in. Literally the only relevant thing that happened in that book (so far, there's one issue left of this, and some more tie-ins). Is this the first time Marvel's made a meta gag about a plot point or character being teased online before they/it actually happens in the book? The fans want to know who this new character is and apparently the characters in-universe do too.
Also we have this:
Star-Lord: "Well I'm going to the bar. I never want to hear about the Infinity Stones again." I imagine more than one fan is saying the same thing.
Also, Marvel's teaser for Death of the Inhumans: "Kill the Useless. Take The Useful. Break The Unwilling." Sounds good to me! :thumbup:
Also, after Infinity Wars (the comic) Marvel's putting out a book by Cullen Bunn and Mateo Lolli called (I kid you not) "Asgardians of the Galaxy" featuring Angela, Throg, Valkryie, Skurge (back from the dead apparently) the Destroyer armor, and Thunderstrike (Kevin Masterson). I was ready to write this whole thing off with a "why?" but actually Thunderstrike makes me happy. Could do without him looking like Strong Guy for some reason but oh well.
[Update]
More info released for the new Spider-Verse event, Spider-Geddon. Creative team is Christos Gage and Joge Molina. I can live with that. Good for Gage, he's payed his dues and he deserves a primo assignment by now. But, of course, more importantly, thank Rao Slott isn't writing it. I would have liked a better artist but maybe Molina will impress me in the time since I last saw him. All the usual Spider-people you'd expect are shown in the teaser. I may pick this up.
Guardians contracted Youngblood disease?
Also,I can see Black Mirror like themes about dangers of technology working their way into Iron Man,but I can also see that going south with Slott.
Spoilers,I guess.Busieks Conan has the framing device of vizier reading Conan's chronicles to a prince (Know ,O prince,that...).Its heavily implied the vizier is Thoth-Amon,Conans old enemy.I think this was a build up for something,but nothing really came of it.Following series/writers got rid of that framing device.
I cant say anything about the Avengers,that I havent already.Franchise needed a kick in the rear,but I doubt Aaron is the man for the job.Well,I cant think of anyone who would be at this point.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on June 09, 2018, 07:40:37 AM
I cant say anything about the Avengers,that I havent already.Franchise needed a kick in the rear,but I doubt Aaron is the man for the job.Well,I cant think of anyone who would be at this point.
Get Al Ewing. Probably one of the best writers Marvel's got. He already wrote a kickass Avengers book with Mighty Avengers. Bring him on and it'll be golden.
Speaking of Al Ewing, I just picked up The Immortal Hulk #1. It's good. Darn good!
Reminds me a lot of classic Man-Thing/Swamp-Thing. The Horror direction is really a smart new interesting way to go with the Hulk.
I still gotta read his Mighty Avengers run, cuz you guys have been really me it's really good since back when Ewing was announced to write New Avengers.
I enjoyed New Avengers/U.S. Avengers. I didn't love it but I liked enough of it. And he took part in Avengers No Surrender which I found pretty great. If he was given the main Avengers book I'd probably pick it up.
So Slott's final issue of Spidey came and went. I totally forgot until just now, and it's basically a Tangled Web story. How appropriately mundane and inert.
I've been waiting for Slott to get off Spidey for years now and now that it's finally happened I should feel happier but I don't feel much of anything. It's it's mostly just that it ws a war of attrition. His long, intensively damaging Spidey run just grinded my enthusiasm to dust. Plus we never had to settle for his run anyway. I dropped it years ago and I'm happy I did so, because I know I wouldn't have enjoyed continuing to read it. We already got the first installment of Spencer fun run, and unlike years past, we have healthy alternatives. Spider-Man/Deadpool is still a fun, if superfluous book. I've heard really good things about Renew Your Vows, which I absolutely plan to read. There's also Chip's PPSM, which people seem to like. And then there's Peter David's Scarlet Spider, which I'm still reading. It's a nice, fun low stakes book with a touch of PAD's playful humor. I like it's nice that we live in a world where Slott is no longer on Spidey but PAD's SS is still around (for now). Plus Gage's version of Spider-Verse is coming, so yeah, things are looking like an upswing.
Over in the Actually-Is-Required-Reading-For-The-Main-Series Infinity Countdown: Champions:
Spoiler
Sam Alexander has had his Nova helmet taken away from him by the Nova Corp. It begins...He's not on the cover to #24 (#22 and 23 don't show the whole team) which doesn't bode well for Sam. Is Sam out with Richie Rider (or a new character) set to take his place?
Also, Riri Williams aka Ironheart is getting a new costume...whose color scheme looks a LOT like Hornet of the Slingers. I wonder if that's intentional or if they were going for "feminine, but not too feminine, and distinct enough from Iron Man to stand on its own" and magically landed on Hornet's color scheme by coincidence?
Amazing Spiderman #1 wasnt exactly amazing.Spencer tries a bit too hard to throw in predictable jokes in every panel.And homaging his earlier works.While trying to return things to their classic status.Even going as far as returning Peter back to school.There is a lot of foreshadowing with Kingpin,and the dream sequence and...Still,Im kinda interested to see where this goes from here,so we could say it worked.
There is also a very Bendis-ian problem here,characters are all part of them same hive mind speaking thru different mouths.
So IDW will be doing a whole bunch of Marvel comics aimed at younger readers.
I would question the sanity of farming out your comics to somebody whos in even deeper $hit then you,but at this point,Im not all that surprised.
The specter of Star Comics comes shambling into view...
This more like a Heroes Reborn case.
And who knew we would miss Alonso?
Just read asm #1 and #2.
On the one hand, I'm annoyed that we're further backsliding this character after we already backslid him to the daily bugle. On the other... It always left a bad taste in my mouth that he didn't earn his own degree (which he was more than smart enough to do) so if this means him actually having a chance to earn it legitimately and have some growth, awesome. I just want it to not linger on is all.
As for the cliffhanger... I'm reminded of a JLA story that I am quite fond of despite the goofyness of the concept.
It was okay.But I give it a issue or two before we see the middle finger Marvel so likes to flip to its fans.And Spencer has to explain this comic wasn't for you anyway.
Not enough time to go big into detail like I want to but I'll just say I'm loving it for the same reason the good ol' boys over at Crawlspace are: It's not Slott.
HT:
Maybe, but we aren't there yet.
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I'm letting Spencer off the hook on that because: quite possibly the #1 criticism of Slott's run (and post-OMD Spidey in general) is that Spidey was a "manchild" (a criticism I 100% agree on), and it's been 3 issues (the FCBD comic very much included) and Slott had, what, 9 years and well over a 100 issues and NEVER improved on that front. And no, the fact that Pete owned his own company and was scmhoozing around Tony Stark-style doesn't matter, because he was STILL acting like a manchild. To give the perfect example, the first issue of that era had a scene where Peter went on stage, gave a presentation, and the punchline was his fly is undone. That was pretty much Slott's run in a nutshell. Well, that, and sexual assault, casual bigotry, Doc Ock worship and killing characters without earning it.
I'm also cool with the degree part because 1. It reminds me of one of the first Spidey comics, I ever read, a Roger Stern Hobgoblin issue where Peter has to drop out of college and 2. Because it's fallout for Spock and one of the big sticking points of that era, arguably the #1 issue (it's certainly up there for me) is there wasn't ENOUGH fallout for Doc Ock's little joyride. Everything was wrapped up in a neat little package WAY too quickly (even with Doc coming back so many times, that he was never really absent from the book at all) so I actually like Peter having to take some responsibility for it (it's his mantra, after all), even if in this case, it comes off like something he has no control over. That's life, and it's something Spider-Man stories (good Spider-Man stories, and bad ones for that matter- I've got a bit of a guilty pleasure for the Byrne/Mackie era) have demonstrated with aplomb.
And yes, I assure you, that is the short version. I didn't touch on Ottely's art (I don't care for it) The villains that are popping up (I LOVE IT!) the individual little details in the issues (the alien invasion sequence for example, the backup story in #1, which I LOVED) the fact that Slott's confirmed to be co-writing Spider-Geddon (and now I'm not buying it; might buy the tie-ins) or the fact that Scarlet Spider is totally ending with October's issue.
As an aside, I just wanna express my annoyance about the fact that we're back to a #1 issue again... normally I couldn't care less about that, but because it's TECHNICALLY a new series, Marvel/comixology counted my previous asm subscription as complete even though the series is clearly continuing, making me have to resubscribe to a series I was already following. I've had issues with subscriptions "sticking" in the past, and every time I subscribe is a gamble on whether it ACTUALLY subscribed or I'll have to do it again in a few weeks when it's become apparent my book isn't coming.
Well, you're not alone on the "getting screwed by reading digital" front. Marvel recently redesigned their website and to say me and my fellow Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited subscribers got screwed is to do a disservice to getting screwed. The MDCU section is just terrible now. It's harder to find anything, you apparently can no longer add titles to your library/must reads list, it's just a mess. Based on this, I'm starting to suspect Marvel is going to discontinue the entire service in the next year or so, but otherwise I hope this part sooner rather than later because as it stands I can't imagine putting up with this nonsense for another two years or more. Maybe I should send Marvel a politely worded email about it...
Anyway, back to the comics:
Ant-Man and the Wasp: There was a cute little moment where Cassie made a cameo and the artist (Javier Garron) and the colorist directly based her civilian clothes after her Stinger costume, Purple-and-Black color scheme and all. Nice touch. I especially enjoyed it since I got that awesome Ant-Man and Stinger Toys-R-US Two-Pack (Toys-R-Us lives on in Canada! :thumbup: ) for my birthday in June from a close family member and its been sitting on my table ever since.
Infinity Wars: Lots of big "shocker" moments in this storyline that are REALLY predictable but still kinda enjoyable.
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The new villain Requim is, as many guessed, myself included, Gamora, who chops off Thanos' head (indeed, Thanos is dead in the first chapter of IW, before his tie-in one-shot even comes out), opposes the Guardians and the rest of Doctor Strange's new Infinity Watch and during an altercation she stabs Quill Electra-style. To Be Continued. But of course he's not going to die-or-stay dead.
We also have Drax leaving with Adam Warlock and Kang, who, during his time visiting Earth where all the action is, is using the disguise of Iron Lad so yay Young Avengers reference. Side-note: how many people in the superhero community knew Iron Lad was Kang? I actually hadn't thought about that, but if the answer was "all the major Marvel heroes/Avengers" Kang's disguise might not work for long. Plus the Guardians already know Adam's teamed up with him so it almost makes you wonder why he bothered at all.
We also see more of Daredevil hood Turk Barret, who's in possession of the Mind Gem, and starred in the Infinity Countdown Daredevil One-Shot. I passed on that one but looked into what went down in it so I was curious when the events of it would pay off (Duggan wrote it). Well, we see that here. Turk's got a gang of supervillains (I guess he's the new Hood?) including Bullseye, who we saw him recruit at the end of the one-shot. I may have to see about picking up that one-shot on a future visit to the shop and add it to the rest of this books. Typhoid Mary is also there. Strangely Marvel seems to be giving her a big push in the comics, possibly because Alice Eve is playing her in Iron Fist Season 2 (cue Dan Slott claiming movie audiences everywhere know who she is because an in-name-only version of her appeared in the Jennifer Garner Electra movie).
Also, we have some stuff with Loki. The big takeaway is a very meta plot that Duggan's seeded throughout his Guardians/Infinity Countdown/Infinity Wars run: that the continuity has changed IN UNIVERSE as a result of Secret Wars 2014 and possibly other cosmic retcons and that the characters themselves have discovered this. It's very DC. We even have sequences implying that DC's Captain Marvel (as in SHAZAM) exists in the Marvel multiverse (that part got a lot of press online, I think I saw that DC returned the favor recently). This continues into Infinity Wars with Loki looking into his "past continuity" (he also encounters a heroic Loki who wields Thor's hammer and him and his version of the Avengers fight what I can only describe as a Cancerverse Venom Symbiote, which notably appears on the cover to a later issue where the Infinity Watch are fighting it.
Amazing Spider-Man #3. The least fanservicey issue so far from my point of view but one that did elicit a few comments and commentaries from me. Using bowling as a backdrop for the story is different, I don't recall ever seeing that in a Spidey story before.
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A quick broad hot take on the "double Peter Parker" story angle; it's a neat story angle, one that plays on the main story conceit of Spidey i.e. the burden of that responsibility ruining his social life as Peter Parker, but one that would be more interesting if Peter hadn't had approximately over 9000 clones over the course of his lifetime.
I admit to some bias about Pete and MJ being back together because I've gotten swept up in the post OMD Spidey backlash, but honestly? They make a cute couple. They did back when JMS wrote the book (and I have seen people compare Pete and MJ here to that run, which I agree with) and they do here.
other observations:
Some cute banter to be sure:
Peter [while bowllng with MJ] All those 3 AM viewings of The Big Lebowski finally pay off.
MJ: I'm a Kingpin gal myself.
Peter: You know, that sentence could be easily misinterpreted.
MJ: It has Bill Murray, Tiger. It wins.
She's got you there Peter. [SS hasn't actually seen either film.] Then again, Bill Murray was in the Charlie's Angels movie and that movie was terrible.
Hey, Norah Winters is in this. I wonder if she's still going to be portrayed as a casual racist?
Spidey, on the obscure villain the "Tri-Sentinel": "Yeesh. Who even asked for this thing to come back? It's like the Arrested Development comeback -- How do you even hope to recreate that magic, right? You can't! Still some funny parts, though. I'm just worried culture is becoming too dependent on nostalgia, you know? Like it's eating itself..."
Hmm, how very meta. Is Spencer being hypocritical, or self-depreciating?
Spidey: Which super villain did we make up a catchy theme song for?
Peter: Trick question -- we make up theme songs for all of them. It's how we remember their names!
Me: I do not accept this as my personal canon.
SS did a pretty good job of summing up my own feelings on the issue.
Ok,show of hands,who didnt see that revelation at the end coming?
Is this your first Spiderman story ever?
*first comic book ever. Heck, it's been done in Animorphs.
Heck, the original Star Trek did it. "IIIII'MMMM CAPTAIN KIIIRKKKK!!!"
I meant the power without reaponsibility thing.
I like how we trust Peter as the narrator, and I understand why he trusted the device so much
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since he is a dummy and thought he could trust the clone
ASM #4 So that guy,right? :)
Oddly,I find myself enjoying Spencers run so far.Also,in the first version (which was actually a caption,and NOT Uncle Ben) its With great power there must also come great responsibility.As in responsibility is something you must have,not something that is granted.Small thing,but it makes a difference.
So,while Im generaly okay with Spencers sitcom vibe of ASM,he has a very Kevin Smith-like idea that referencing a whole bunch of thing actually makes a story.
A trivia contest,look I know who made the spider-buggy.Also something about Kingpin,but who cares?Also,with the whole Patient Zero thing still somewhat fresh,it might be too early to have another bandaged mystery guy connected to Peter.
I enjoyed it. Eh, I didn't really have a problem with the trivia contest. I especially appreciated the reference to Will O' The Wisp. I remember those stories fondly from the Essential reprints.
As for the bandaged villain, I and others online predict he's
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the Phil Ulrich Hobgoblin working for Mephisto.
ASM #8 just kinda pinballs from one random funny to another.I guess Im supposed to be up to date with the Avengers?
Apparently,they changed Captain Marvels origin story to Aquamans origin story,more or less.I guess its because of the movie.
Yeah, it was pretty silly. It kinda reminded me of something I'd seen on The Muppets as a kid or some 90's cartoon or something.
Was David Wise writing this,cuz this is an 80's cartoon plot,by the numbers? :lol:
I was hoping they will do more with Peters supervillain identity.
And there is apparently a possibility of John Byrne returning for an elseworld X-men story.
Re: David Wise: impossible, it didn't end with Shredder and Krang arguing in the Technodrome/Galvatron and that Headmasters guy nobody cared about (Zarak?) arguing where their ship floats through space. :lol:
The kleptomanic thing is fun in dopey way, the problem is it feels WAY out of place in the mainstream Marvel U. There's a part of my brain that demands a extensive explanation for how the gang of thieves was able to pinch every one of these things, even though the other part of my brain knows it's missing the point. It's kinda like asking how Deadpool and She-Hulk know they're in a comic book.
Re: John Byrne: Yes, I'd heard about that on and off, I wonder if that would happen, if anyone actually wants that, and if it would be any good. Is Claremont coming with him? Cuz I heard that inexplicably his recent Nightcrawler was actually good somehow. Is Byrne still as outspoken as he was known to be back in the day? And will Peter David leave Marvel in protest if this happens? ;)
On a totally different note, Spidergeddon is currently coming out. It can be summed up as: second verse, same as the first. I'm so glad I skipped it.
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Spider-Man Noir and Spider-Man U.K. die in the first issue. Because Marvel has to keep stride with DC's Heroes in Crisis, you see. And also gosh darnit we have new Spidey varible characters to sell you, which I realized way, WAY too late was the actual reason for all the killing in Spider-Verse. Are we sure this is Spider-Man and not Yu-Gi-Oh! Or Transformers G1 and/or Beast Wars?
Fun fact, Spider Man Noir making it out of the battle against the Inheritors (aka the most boring villain group ever) is actually how I realized with one issue left to go that Spider-Verse wasn't going to bring back ANYONE they killed (except Kaine, the one character I think should have STAYED dead. Yeah, Kaine sucks. And Peter David just finished spending an entire Ben Reilly series demonstrating how much he sucks. Anyway, I knew they were serious because they made sure to keep Noir, who had been showing up in video games and cartoons and such.
Speaking of which, am I the only one thinks actually killing him this time (he might come back to life by the end of the story) is a terrible business move, what him set to appear in a Spider-Verse movie in two months? Someone dropped the ball there. Unless he turns out alive as the actual villain, but, no, that was the Clone Conspiracy.
Also, here's food for thought. I was just watching a video that described the ninties as the "least quality-controlled era" in comic book history. Do you guys think that's true? Is 90's Marvel, for example worse than Marvel circa 2004 (the year Bendis' Avengers run started) to 2018? Also 2004, geez that makes me feel old. And yes I'm aware of the irony.
For that matter, the Clone Saga is considered not only one of the worst comic stunt storylines from the ninties, it's considered one of the worst Spider-Man stories ever made. Thus I posit the question: which was better, Clone Saga or Clone Conspiracy?
Claremont recently wrote some of the X-men Black.TBH,I dont even know what X-men Black is,but Claremont was there.
They might as well bring Byrne back,considering they have been canibalising his stories for years.
Speaking of which,they really shoul leave that one villain from JMS Spiderman alone.Actually,leave that whole run alone.
Read the first 2 issues of Slotts F4.Its mostly people standing around and talking how cool they used to be.Then Slott tries to pull off "Once an Avenger"
As mentioned a few times before,there was a LOT of good stuff in the 90's.I would use Vertigo as an example of capable editing.
Marvel in the 90's is a topic that everyone and their brother went over already,and Jemas years have been weird.Btw,anyone remembers early 2000's and the industrys attempts at aping manga? :) Also,Jemas and Alonso are starting a comic company together.Im not making this up.
Funny story,Bendis' Avengers recently came up on a different board,and one poster
defended it as a nececary step forward.Because Avengers were living in a mansio and had a butler and so on.And thats probably what Marvel editors at the time also thought.They "knew" they have to modernize,but didnt know how to approach it,or even whats the end goal for the modernization.
I dunno, but there was a stretch in the '70s-early '80s that I think DC was just putting something, anything in some comics. I started dropping titles even as they were cancelling them, and gave Marvel a bit more of my money. I came back in the late 80s, as I dropped Marvel titles, mostly the X-Books, as I believed Claremont just got burned out on mutants, and he was doing the same story over and over and over again. By that time, I could choose from the independents, and in some cases I did.
Quote from: daglob on November 01, 2018, 12:06:28 AM
I dunno, but there was a stretch in the '70s-early '80s that I think DC was just putting something, anything in some comics. I started dropping titles even as they were cancelling them, and gave Marvel a bit more of my money. I came back in the late 80s, as I dropped Marvel titles, mostly the X-Books, as I believed Claremont just got burned out on mutants, and he was doing the same story over and over and over again. By that time, I could choose from the independents, and in some cases I did.
That does sound right based on a smattering of old DC comics from around that time that I read over the years.
QuoteJemas years have been weird.Btw,anyone remembers early 2000's and the industrys attempts at aping manga?
Yeah, I actually forgot about the Jemas era. The books that were still good were good, but a lot of other stuff was eh. I remember writing for the trade, I remember Nuff Said (which let's face it, had like 2 or 3 books that actually benefited from the gimmick. Spider-Girl and Thor had funerals as the story that worked. I distinctly recall Tischman's Cable outright cheating and not doing a Nuff Said at all. I remember covers that told you nothing about the story (heck, we still have that; the final issue of Scarlet Spider and the newest issue of Amazing Spider-Man are just pictures of SS and Spider-Man in the city. Spidey has a LOT of covers like that and Ultimate Spider-Man especially did that) and as I've discussed earlier, we had an era where editorial recap boxes were straight up verboten, to the point that Marvel airbrushed them out of some of the trades. Boy, am I glad that era is over.
And Avengers had the issue where Kang nukes Washington and Earth surenders.You think that would be noticed in other titles,but no.
About Clone Saga,funny that its remembered as lasting the whole decade,when it actually took two years.But when you have 4-5 Spiderman titles a month,it adds up.
OH yeah, look up how many trades Marvel did with "The Complete Clone Saga Epic" AND "The Complete Ben Reilly Epic".
Ah, yes, The Kang Dynasty. I loved that arc. But yeah, no other book reflected that, and the very first issue of Johns run had Hank and Jan flying around outside the White House talking about how rebuilding Washtington DC. Convenient.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on November 01, 2018, 12:13:41 PM
And Avengers had the issue where Kang nukes Washington and Earth surenders.You think that would be noticed in other titles,but no.
About Clone Saga,funny that its remembered as lasting the whole decade,when it actually took two years.But when you have 4-5 Spiderman titles a month,it adds up.
I've had years like that...
Actually,Kang dynasty was so good that nobody dared to use Kang after that.Well,not everyone,but this is THE Kang story and you just have nowhere to go with the character after that.
Yeah, I was going to say, I loved Kang Dynasty, to the point I didn't want anyone to use him again just because you couldn't top it. And while he has appeared in a few things since then (Young Avengers, Abnett and Lanning's Guardians of the Galaxy), they always seem to be decidedly lower-key stories in terms of how he's used.
Asm #9 Spencer has some weird boner for support groups.I didnt know
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Jarvis
is still alive.Seriously,why did I think that?
A support group for the loved ones of superheroes...actually not a bad idea. I'm surprised I'd never seen it before in a superhero story before. Has it been done before?
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I'd imagine you thought Jarvis was dead because he was hospitalized and almost died in Avengers: No Surrender. While it does show him bedridden during a flashback/montage in this issue, the gauze over his eye makes it clear it was a reference to Under Siege.
This issue was thankfully less goofy than the last, but I'm not that interested in the Thieve's Guild stuff. I'm kinda hoping for this story to get over with so we can get back to our mystery villain and Pete's roommates.
"If Tigra's bikini is in this mess I'll be set for life". Har har.
It reminds me of Loners a bit.
Its not No Surender,so I must have misremembered something earlier.Probably because Iron Man did have a computer JARVIS,to tie into the movie.
So...Marvel and DC have just giving up on anything approaching an actual story concept for their big events? First it was 'let's give everyone hammers!' Then DC said, 'let's give everyone armor!' And now Marvel responds with, 'What if everyone become a fantasy character?' Sheesh.
http://majorspoilers.com/2018/11/17/the-war-of-realms-is-coming-to-marvel-comics/
All true, DJ, all true.
They dont really have any big names left.Its what happens when you CAST writers and hire webcomic artists to save money.Also,be sure to cater to people who dont read comics.
To me, the wake-up call should have happened years ago. Namely when DC hired Alan Heinberg, a tv show writer known for `The OC', to write Wonder Woman. He couldn't even wrap up his first storyline before the first Annual came out. Why was this a problem? Because the storyline and Annual featured the same villain, Circe, and the Annual was not a storyline continuation. The end of the storyline was delayed a few issues, so we were subjected to an all-new conflict with a villain whose previous arc hadn't been finished yet.
And I want to completely ignore the majority of JMS' Spider-Man run. "Sins Past" should be tossed into an alternate universe or retroactively made into a "What If?", for example. Requires too much retconning, and was complete garbage that ruined Gwen Stacy's legacy.
Tv and movie writers have no business writing comics until they can prove they actually know the material and can deliver in a timely manner.
Riot Games and Marvel are teaming up.Thats actually a perfect match.
Sins past was also editorial mandate... But I do maintain there's an easy fix that keeps what little creative benefit that story added (having grey goblin as a foil for Harry as the other Osborn son) without the ick... Norman used cloning tech and Gwen's DNA (both of which he canonically has access to) in a bid to mess with Peter. Mary Jane's confirmation can be hand waved as a memory implanted during a kidnapping or something. If it MUST be Canon, FIX IT.
#ASM #10 Ok,are we meant to take this comic seriously or is this some sort of selfparody?I honestly cant say.We have Mary Jane in the support group,Black Cat and Spiderman trying to sort their relationship...and Avengers trying to find their junk.Good thing Miss Marvel had a tracking app on her phone.Tony Stark,Doctor Strange and Jean Grey are uselles,but good thing Miss Marvel had a funting app installed.I cant deal with Spencers sitcom bs anymore...
Yeah, that was a little dopey. I could have done without that level of "because the plot says so". When I got to that scene in the book, before I actually read the pages, I assumed Ms Marvel, Miles and Ironheart were prominently displayed because Ramos used to work on Champions, but no, Spencer specifically pulled a Dr. Strange by way of Bendis and had a character who had zero bearing on the story before this resolve the problem for a cheap gag at the expense of Reed and Tony. Quite lame and not actually funny.
I also had other issues with this issue. Spidey's back to acting like a neurotic man-child around Black Cat, and MJ's going on about how much stress Pete's life puts on HER, which, yeah, that's the point of the support group, but those two things put together remind me (and I have to imagine, others) of two of the big negatives people had with Slott's run.
On the plus side, the way the story got back to the big ongoing mystery of this run, that I liked. That I want to see more of going forward. Beyond that, this two-parter was a noticeable step down and I'm glad it's over and we can move onto something else.
We spent the first few issues talking about getting back to basics and not doing random wacky cr@p Slott is so fond of...only to keep doing random wacky cr@p Slott is so fond of.
Again,another Hush-like villain?Its a bit hard to care.
"Marvels history is destroyed"
Interesting tagline if you didnt already do that.Several times.
Next Avengers crossover will involve them meeting Conan.Thats why they needed the licence back.
Avengers crossing over with Conan. Oh joy. Is Kulan Gath going to be the villain? :huh:
"Marvel's history is destroyed"
Never a good sign when a tease like this feels more like a threat than a promise of good stuff coming.
Like I feared, they are retconning the Gold, Silver, and Bronze Ages out of existence. That way if someone says "Comics used to be better in the [whichever] Age", they answer "Those never happened. Neither did Stan Lee or Jack Kirby. It's always been thus."
Last I remember Kulan Gath showed up in Red Sonja,so I dont think thats going to happen.
Yes,I admit I read Red Sonja 13 years ago.
#ASM #11 Toy segment was actually funny.Also,Hip Flask is here.
And more of Kingpin playing 4D chess.Im sure that will pay off.Eventually.
Both Kull and Red Sonja have appeared in "modern" Marvel comics; both in Team-Up, I believe (Byrne art on Sonja). Then Rune was also present in a Conan comic or two. So I always assumed that, provisionally, The Hyborian Age was part of The Marvel Universe's history.
Thats not the problem.Problem is that they are currently owned by Dynamite.
So it turns out this whole 'History Destroyed' thing is nothing more than a five issue Cosmic Ghost Rider miniseries. Yay?
Cleverly named Cosmic Ghost Rider destroys Marvel history.Catchy.
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#ASM #11 Toy segment was actually funny.Also,Hip Flask is here.
And more of Kingpin playing 4D chess.Im sure that will pay off.Eventually.
Got to this one super late. I'm surprised you read it, I thought you said you were done with Spencer's sitcom antics.
In any case, Hip Flask = The Hippo?
Also, I've been meaning to say, someone's going to have to explain to me how Ottely kept his job after sneaking religiously charged imagery into an issue of Spidey when an X-Men artist from a few years ago got sacked for doing basically the exact same thing. Well, other than blatant favoritism of course, but I'm not satisfied by that answer.
In any case this issue was primarily about the modern take on J. Jonah Jameson, which happened in a different book. Since I was already interested in reading that story (and since Marvel did an atrocious job of recapping it in this issue, because of course they did. Seriously, not even a footnote to help you actually track down the story in question?) I went onto my Marvel Unlimited account and read every single issue of Chip's Peter Parker: Spectacular Spider-Man I could (it abruptly cut off in the middle of one of the more recent sub-arcs, oh well). Oh, I also took the opportunity to finally read Family Business since I still hadn't read it yet and that run is a direct followup to it. (For the record, PPSM did a better job of recapping FB than Amazing did of recapping PPSM) And the run itself IMO was ok-decent. The Dinner With Jameson issue, however, was fan-flipping tastic. I adored it. It really was every bit as good as I'd heard. Not only was Pete calling Jonah out on every bit of Jonah's B.S. over the years very cathartic (including calling out Slott's B.S. writing on Jonah in earlier stories, such as completely ignoring his dying wife's wises) I honestly did feel sorry for Jonah.
Spencer's version, mind you, is a little bit more of a mid-way point. The new hook with Jameson is there, but he also still acts very Jameson-esque, being a glory hound who argues with Spidey and seems more interested in promoting himself than being heroic. Not sure who exactly to blame that on (that sometimes throws me in Spencer's run, until I do research. Thanks for failing to provide such context in the actual book BTW Marvel) but it feels very Spencer-esque, if that makes any sense.
On a related note, I was reading an interview with Spencer about the book a while back and 1. Superior Foes was originally pitched as a Black Cat series, and 2) It was Joe Quesada of all people who suggested Peter get back together with Mary Jane. Weird eh?
Also Blade's in the Avengers now, because why not I guess. Time to reboot Blade in the movies?
[EDIT] Oh, I almost forgot. The final issue of Infinity Wars: Sleepwalker, released last week, teased its eventual followup-in-the-form-of-a-different-book just as Darkhawk did for Sleepwalker.
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The Secret Defenders of all things are set to make a comeback. I actually kinda like the idea. One of the things that doomed the original series to be remembered as a crappy 90's comic (see the Atop the Fourth Wall review) was terrible artwork on top of random assortments of trend-chasing 90's characters, but in a modern comics era where a lot of beloved characters who starred in a lot of really good books 10 or more years just can't seem to get one now, this might be just the thing to give some old favorites more chances to shine. Or you know you could just put Miles Morales, Miss Marvel ect in there, but let's not give them ideas. I'm expecting it to be another miniseries leeching onto a big event mini for extra sales anyway ("Realm of Kings" perhaps?)
I did say that,but truth be told...I got nothing better to do.Im only following ASM and Tmnt at the moment.And an occasional #1.
At least Spencer stays away from politics so far.I guess he learned his lesson with Secret Empire.And we reached a point where we have to give a Marvel writer points for not sounding off identity politics and #OrangeManBad rants.
Hip Flask is a charavter from Elephantman.Another thing I remember being good,but I never finished it.
Yeah,the Mormon thing...At least the issues is now a collectors item because they will fix that in collections.What are they,IDW?
Yeah,I felt like I missed something big with that JJJ status quo.
Im guessing these are new versions of Darkhawk and Sleepwalker?And they will go on to join the Champions...er,Secret Defenders?
Quote from: HarryTrotter on December 19, 2018, 11:52:54 AM
And we reached a point where we have to give a Marvel writer points for not sounding off identity politics and #OrangeManBad rants.
Please don't tell me you're seriously going there.
Yes,because thats tottaly not all they are doing.Oh wait,it is.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on December 19, 2018, 01:19:10 PM
Yes,because thats tottaly not all they are doing.Oh wait,it is.
That's not what I meant about going there.
Man, it sounds like the Thing has really burned some bridges over at Marvel....
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Quote from: HarryTrotter on December 19, 2018, 01:19:10 PM
Yes,because thats tottaly not all they are doing.Oh wait,it is.
That's not what I meant about going there.
You meant we are not allowed to say that for a while now,personal politics have been put before entertaiment?That Marvel fires people for calling Hitler an SJW (which part were they bothered with?)?That they alianated most of their fans?That most of their employees are on twitter 24/7 telling you they dont need your money?Did you mean we are not allowed to say any of that or was this just another "your racist/sexist/something for not liking x" kind of thing?
Oookay. I think you're being overly sensitive, HT.
Let's keep it friendly here. Give each other the benefit of the doubt, and don't assume other folks have negative motives for their posts.
Based on my previous experiences where its always the same people going : "Your not allowed to say that" and "My opinion is a fact" Im not that quick to believe they have good intentions.
So I'm busy with some other stuff but I want to pop in real quick, since I've missed some debates here on the board before and I want to say my peace.
Benton, with all due respect, there is truth to what Spade/HT is saying, even if his lack of tact brushes up against people. I do notice some patterns he points out, and him and I have become good friends because we've managed to discuss things without arguing about really anything. You and I also discussed similar territory when that Spider-Man movie came out about two years back or so.
Making vague comments like what he's responded to don't help but it does tend in result in trying to figure out what the intent is, but even if it was intended to be obvious, it's not a very nice look. I've noticed this in an earlier thread or two. No voice equals no tone of voice ect.
But once again we're brushing up against the issue the comic industry laid out for us. All the little political digs aren't just stuff in interviews, message boards and twitter. These are things that are in the books themselves. We've discussed this before with, for example, Preist's topical/politically charged recent Justice League arc. The new season of Daredevil on Netflix had some political digs in it as well. I recall reading that an issue of, the new Marvel Two-In-One, I believe it was, had a little political joke from Spidey that was edited out before release, because while it's a joke someone might realistically make, it was unnecessary to the story and people would dwell on it instead of what the story's actually about.
When you have, say, the female Thor vs Absorbing Man fight from Thor (2014) #5 (not going to link to it, quote it, or describe it here, because it's not appropriate for this board, despite being in a non-mature rated book) How does one discuss that scene, and criticize it if you don't like it (I don't like it) without actually describing it? That's on the writer, they chose to put that in the book. And if they chose to put it in the book (or movie, or show, or game...) it should be fair game for criticism. Problem is actually discussing it gets you in hot water.
I'm not going to comment on that negative motives/good intentions part because that's not appropriate for the board IMO, and it's been addressed well by other people.
Hopefully I haven't ruffled any feathers, or at least too much, but I wanted to get my 2 cents in.
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As for your other comment Benton, I haven't heard anything about the Thing in Marvel's comics right now, other than he's apparently marrying Alicia Masters, so I'm actually not sure what you're referencing. Haven't really been paying much attention to the current FF comics. I have however, been discovering quite a bit of the Lee/Kirby stuff for the first time because of Marvel's $1 reprints.
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OOh, I totally missed this comment:
QuoteIm guessing these are new versions of Darkhawk and Sleepwalker?And they will go on to join the Champions...er,Secret Defenders?
Actually no! They're the originals, Chris Powell aka Darkhawk (brought back as part of Gerry Duggan's attempt to bring back as much stuff from the DNA Cosmic books as possible) and the original Sleepwalker with his human host Rick Sheridan. The Sleepwalker story, while technically a light continuation of the Darkhawk mini, was overall pretty dopey even as part of Infinity Warps . It included an Ant-Man/Hulk hybrid that was basically an Ant-Man sized Hulk, and a Rick Sheridan fusion with Nick Fury of all people, seemingly so they can A. Use Nick to form the Secret Defenders instead of Dr. Strange like it was back in the 90s, and B. Give him the So-Bad-It's-Good name "Rick Fury". I assumed they were inspired by "Ric Grayson" over at DC.
Silhouette from New Warriors was teased as a potential member of the team. She made an Early Bird Cameo at the beginning of the first issue, where she name dropped....sigh, "Hummingbird" aka Aracally from Yost's Scarlet Spider and New Warriors. Wolverine also will apparently be a member, as in Wolverine with his yellow-and-blue costume Wolverine, or at least some version of Wolverine. Umm, I think they forget to check the current status quo of Logan.
The nice thing about miniseries like this is you don't need to worry about whether it can sustain an ongoing. Quicksilver didn't need to be an ongoing after Avengers: No Surrender, and that string of minis following the cancellation of Sean McKeever's Young Allies didn't need to be ongoings. I miss those characters, and the Young Avengers. Seems like such a long time ago.
In all of this,I forgot What I was going to say about Asm #12...
Or X-men fighting the Russian Collusion,or Captain America defending Antifa from red-hat-wearing Hydra supporters,or Angela,or Storm trying to secede Harlem...I could go on,but you get the general idea.And no,Im not kidding or abridging anything,all of those things happened exactly as described.And we have every right to make fun of them.
Oh yeah,I think YA came up before...I liked that series that wasnt writen by Gillen.Thats a recurring theme.
So are we saying that comics, hell, any piece of media can't have something to say about politics? That they aren't allowed to make a point? Is that seriously what everyone's trying to say here?
Oh for the love of...
You know,Marvel provided the answer last week.They reprinted Stans editorial where he says Marvel first priority is to ENTERTAIN.Well,not this Marvel,their first priority is to preach,Brian Griffin style.Thou,Brian gets called out on his hipocrisy once in a while,but we are not allowed to criticise Marvel,apparently.
And is there nothing saying you can't make a point while also being entertaining? Don't get me wrong, I know this can easily go horribly wrong and you can wind up with BS like Captain Hydra. But as long as you don't overdo it, there's nothing wrong with making a point. Especially if it involves sticking it to the Orange.
Quote from: kkhohoho on December 25, 2018, 06:07:08 AM
this can easily go horribly wrong and you can wind up with BS...
You answered your own question there.
If they want to do this BS,they can do their BS.But we have every right to comment on it.Or as Linkara once said: I will stop making fun of them once they stop doing stupid things.
Or another example,some 10 years ago,a right leaning writer was writing a team book for DC.And he sometimes used a revived 90's parody as his mouthpiece.And that guy from Kingdom Come had things to say about gun control.It was a bit cringy and people called him out on that.A bit different group of people piled up on the same writer because his Vertigo comic was pro-Israel.Which was a real streached theory IMO,but people complained.
BUT now,we are not allowed to mention anything about the preaching going on in Marvel comics.Hypocrisy?
But hey,if you like tha direction,cool,buy the books.But dont call people racist/sexist for not buying them.And dont dox them if they make fun of them on Youtube.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on December 25, 2018, 02:29:38 PM
Quote from: kkhohoho on December 25, 2018, 06:07:08 AM
this can easily go horribly wrong and you can wind up with BS...
You answered your own question there.
If they want to do this BS,they can do their BS.But we have every right to comment on it.Or as Linkara once said: I will stop making fun of them once they stop doing stupid things.
Or another example,some 10 years ago,a right leaning writer was writing a team book for DC.And he sometimes used a revived 90's parody as his mouthpiece.And that guy from Kingdom Come had things to say about gun control.It was a bit cringy and people called him out on that.A bit different group of people piled up on the same writer because his Vertigo comic was pro-Israel.Which was a real streached theory IMO,but people complained.
BUT now,we are not allowed to mention anything about the preaching going on in Marvel comics.Hypocrisy?
But hey,if you like tha direction,cool,buy the books.But dont call people racist/sexist for not buying them.And dont dox them if they make fun of them on Youtube.
The heck? That's not what I'm saying. At all. If someone's trying to make a point but that point is frigging stupid, then by all means they should be lambasted for it. But if they actually have a
good point to make, then they should be allowed to make it. Or are you saying no-one should be allowed to make a point even if it's a good one?
Quote from: kkhohoho on December 25, 2018, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on December 25, 2018, 02:29:38 PM
Quote from: kkhohoho on December 25, 2018, 06:07:08 AM
this can easily go horribly wrong and you can wind up with BS...
You answered your own question there.
If they want to do this BS,they can do their BS.But we have every right to comment on it.Or as Linkara once said: I will stop making fun of them once they stop doing stupid things.
Or another example,some 10 years ago,a right leaning writer was writing a team book for DC.And he sometimes used a revived 90's parody as his mouthpiece.And that guy from Kingdom Come had things to say about gun control.It was a bit cringy and people called him out on that.A bit different group of people piled up on the same writer because his Vertigo comic was pro-Israel.Which was a real streached theory IMO,but people complained.
BUT now,we are not allowed to mention anything about the preaching going on in Marvel comics.Hypocrisy?
But hey,if you like tha direction,cool,buy the books.But dont call people racist/sexist for not buying them.And dont dox them if they make fun of them on Youtube.
The heck? That's not what I'm saying. At all. If someone's trying to make a point but that point is frigging stupid, then by all means they should be lambasted for it. But if they actually have a good point to make, then they should be allowed to make it. Or are you saying no-one should be allowed to make a point even if it's a good one?
And who decides what a good point and whats a stupid one?
Captain America fighting red hat wearing Hydra supporters,for example,is that a good point?What if think its a cheap jab at people the creative team didnt like?
X-Force #1 There is some potential here,but its pretty amateurish.The story is all over the place and trying to do too much.And the art is inexperienced while trying to imitate Ottley.At least I think thats who they were trying to imitate.
Its raw.
So hey I'm back.
*looks above my own post*
So yeah that was a thing. I've got nothing. I missed breakfast and lunch, haven't eaten anything except Christmas snacks and I need a nap. I got nothing.
Anyway:
Amazing Spider-Man #12: Whether or not Spencer did Chip's J.Jonah Jameson justice (I do think he backslid a bit) takes a backseat as we get Spidey/JJ. Buddy Cop comedy, Arcade deathtraps (notice Arcade's big role in Avengers Arena might as well have never happened? I mean, if the rest of Marvel wants to pretend that book didn't happen, I suppose I can, but you know, I really did like Deathlocket before she turned mopey. Heck, put her in Champions!) and the reveal of the mystery villain of this arc (no, not that one, a different one. Yes Spencer had two mystery villains at the same time):
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The Big Man. Ok, it's a villain a decent number of people probably have never heard of. I rather liked Frederick Foswell, he was a legit good character in the original Lee/Ditko run and it was surprisingly you didn't see him in more adaptations when pretty much everyone else from that era did (he managed to make it into Spectacular Spidey) but this? Meh. Is is Foswell? Is it someone else? Does it matter?
Quotewhile trying to imitate Ottley
While acknowledging that there are many out there who would disagree with me....why would anyone WANT to imitate Ottley?
Who draws comic art and goes "You know what my art needs? More arkward, bad-looking angular jaws, knees the shape of bricks and beady little black eyes".
QuoteYou know,Marvel provided the answer last week.They reprinted Stans editorial where he says Marvel first priority is to ENTERTAIN
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. That was actually a really cool thing they did. I thought it was a nifty time capsule that was a good example of how things were different from the way Marvel interacts with its audience these days.
QuoteOh yeah,I think YA came up before...I liked that series that wasnt writen by Gillen.Thats a recurring theme.
I'm sure I've said it before, but Kieron Gillen's Young Avengers run was very much just his book Phonogram with the Young Avengers in it and slightly more coherent. Same artist too.
In fairness, Gillen's Uncanny X-Men run was
almost good. I still
really liked Unit as a villain.
Ottley might just be the closest comparison,its an odd halfbaked noodle-person clay faces artstyle.
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Marvels bill of reader rights,just for a then and now comparison.We can still call the editors by their first names and talk about comics in public.Anything else?
Quote from: Deaths Jester on December 27, 2018, 07:43:36 PM
To Silver Shocker:
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It's going to be hard for the Big Man to be Foswell seeing as he was killed back in the 80s or so. In fact, Foswell was only the first Big Man, the most recent one to dress up as Big Man was Foswell's daughter. Why do I get the feeling that Spencer will turn Jonah into the next Big Man?
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Not even. He died in Amazing Spider-Man #52, 1967, back when Stan was still writing the book. John Romita Jr. was the artist by then. According to the Marvel Wiki (I made sure to look this up) he came back as a clone during the Clone Conspiracy and then died again. In any case, he could be back from the dead, this is superhero comics after all. Kinda hard for Jonah to be the new Big Man considering the new Big Man was going after Jonah and was in the same room with him by the end of the issue (unless you mean after THIS one) and I hope Spencer doesn't turn Jonah into the new Big Man (unless he's a good guy, like Foswell was as "Patch")
QuoteAlso, Deathlocket can't be in the Champions, see turned into a villain at the end of Avengers Arena and joined Zemo's Masters of Evil group...
Yeah, I read that one too, Avengers Undercover. But they can change her back into a hero if they want. Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver all had a face turn, as did Rogue. So did Zemo for a while, and all of the Thunderbolts. And while she did join some villains, she didn't actually carry out her assignment (which was to kill Captain America) The one who did got shot, Chase from Runaways, didn't die, so I feel she wasn't made irredeemable. As I said in this thread at least a year ago, I'd be perfectly happy to ignore the events of Undercover in a a future story (again, they ignored Arena and Undercover for future Arcade appearances, including the one in this arc of Spider-Man) and just have Death Locket appear again as a young hero. To my knowledge, and according to the Marvel Wiki, she hasn't actually appeared again outside out of a one-panel cameo in an issue of S.H.I.E.L.D when talking about all the different versions of Deathlocke.
Conan #1 was actually good.I honestly didnt expect that.
Im dreding the next 2 or 3 issues.
On an unrelated note,why didnt any of the recent hip young team books use Jolt?Probably best they didnt,but they could have.
We are now getting Old Man Quill.Seriously,Marvel...
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The comics industry, Marvel in particular, mirror the video game industry a lot in their obsession with chasing trends and jumping on bandwagon. Peter Quill sounds especially not-fun. Considering how beat down and miserable Old Man Logan was, I shudder to think what the emotionally stunted man-child that is Peter Quill will be like as a run-down, miserable old man. (and keep in mind, I love Star-Lord when he's written well; when he's not, as seen in Guardians of the Galaxy cartoon, he's insufferably whiny)
Come to think of it though, between Marvel and Star Wars, Disney/Marvel sure likes to turn our childhood heroes into miserable, aging failures, don't they?
In regards to recycling one complete series,comic industry is pretty unique.
Can expect Old Man Deadpool or Old Man Black Panther soon?
"Old Man Thor... AT The End of Time."
Quote from: daglob on January 08, 2019, 04:04:24 PM
"Old Man Thor... AT The End of Time."
I
think Jason Aaron did that already.
I can see an Old Man Tony movie happening in a few years as a farewell to the character.Or at least thats how I would play it.
What I wouldnt do is have Old Man Hawkeye brutally murdering other Thunderbolts,but I guess thats why I dont write for Marvel.That and I dont have a blue checkmark on my twitter profile.
Time for a Marvel comics roundup:
Champions #1: This is one of those issues that's basically just setup until you get to the final page that's the premise of the actual opening story (see also, the new Shazam #1):
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Mile Morales makes a deal with Mephisto. I wonder if people are angry about this like they were with OMD? Though, in this case, we do not yet know what the deal is or why he made it.
:
Same thing, only there's a hook at the end of the main story, and then at the end of a backup story; the latter is the more interesting:
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Aunt May got tested for cancer, may have cancer and hasn't told Peter. Considering what that dumb bell did last time she almost died, can you blame her? Guess Spidey better make a deal with Mephisto again LOL! That could be an important event in the life of Spider-Man. Now, on the one hand, I would say that if it really was an important plot point, it would have happened in Amazing, but the Jameson plot happened in PPSM (which this book is the direct replacement for).
Though this is a perfect opportunity to share a quote from Jim Shooter I read a few years ago that comments on the modern state of superhero comics:
Quote"Whether Aunt May dies or not isn't the question. If she dies, does it mean anything beyond a brief sales spike because collectors/speculators think they'll be able to make a profit selling the book later? That is the question. Back when, Stan and company won our hearts and minds. I cared about Spider-Man and the other Marvel characters as though they were friends. I cared every time Aunt May got sick. That's what good creative work does."
Can't say I disagree with that assessment, jaded as it is.
:
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Jason Aaron has opted to bring some old buddies from the X-Men books over to this one: Broo and Dr. Nemesis! Neat.
I have not bought comics in years but now and then read up on some goings on.
I gladly enjoy not reading today. I loved comics back in the 80s and 90s before life changed and I had to stop.
Some of the stuff going on today, I would not waste time or money on.
Asm #13-14
Frank Grimes.Junior. ☺️
The Simpsons didnt invent that one,but I keept thinking Frank Grimes Jr the whole time.
From #14___ Peter,you are only in your mid 20s.
No,not even in comic book time.No way.
^_^ I was thinking the same thing, in both cases.
Maybe Im just being obsessive about it,but by last count Fantastic Four #1 happened in 2001 (and Reed and Ben were WW2 veterans,but thats a story for another day) and assuming Peter was 15-16 at the time thats means hes now around 35-36.
Either avoid that question or at least try to keep up with your own internal logic.
Granted,quite a few people pointed out that 2001 date doesnt really work in the scope of the greater shared universe,but lets go with that for the sake of having a starting point.
Oh I know what you mean. I've been thinking about it since last night. Flash Thompson no longer served in Vietnam because if he did that'd make him around Stallone's age. But he did serve in Afganistan. Ditto Tony Stark being in the middle east, as adapted in the Iron Man movie.
But I was thinking about "teenager-turned young-adult" characters that debuted at least a decade after Peter Parker. If Pete's in his mid twenties, then what does that make Richie Rider, Cannonball, Sunspot, Danielle Moonstar, Wolfsbane, Speedball, Kitty Pryde, Jubilee, Darkhawk, and probably a bunch I forgot about?
Of course, I remember when Roger Stern did a sequel to "Nothing can Stop The Juggernaut" in post-OMD Spidey, and claimed the original 1982 storyline happened "months ago."
Then again, over at DC, Batman's entire comic history apparently happened in the span of 10 years.
Few that I can remember...Hellblazer ran in real time.So does Judge Dredd.
Punisher is also no longer a Vietnam vet.But Magneto is still a Holocaust survivor.Granted dying and coming back to life a few times could explain that.And Magneto was at one point de-aged to a baby.
IIRC sometimes in the new 52 Batman said hes been doing this for 12 years so he has to be at least in is mid 30's or close to 40.
Asm #16 We reached our first event.I knew how this was going to play out,but clone army of Kravens would have been cooler.
Also the animal theme/totemism from JMS era.I hope Morlun isnt around at least.
So I want to interject the constant asm bashfest (which... Yeah no I dropped the book awhile ago. I tried, even caught up because the new scorpion design looked decent enough... But no, didn't hold my interest.) to bash the Xmen books right now because I recently caught up with a few things and dang if I don't hate what I've read.
Execution/xtermination/that book that finally put an end to the past Xmen in the present nonsense- Now, let's be clear: it's a move that's been needed for awhile. I enjoyed them while they were around, but with real Jean alive again, it was time for them to go back.
That does not, however, excuse how that book was handled. In order to "neatly" wrap up the original Xmen's return, side characters from their book are killed off in gruesome fashion, several characters are killed off just... because, character growth is jettisoned for the sake of magic mind control hound nonsense, and the entire book exists to tease Cyclops' resurrection.
Return of Wolverine- I don't even know where to begin here. So... Wolverine is resurrected by a mutant who controls zombies but she let his mind go for reasons and even though she knows he's rebelling she takes him to her murder satellite expecting the mutant superhero to... Not stop her from killing all of Earth's population? Also she built this without being detected in a world with Tony Stark, Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom? Whaaat?!?!
It then insults me by plugging a follow-up book involving the infinity guantlet that involved the spirits of the infinity stones and I just wanted to read a freaking Wolverine story.
Uncanny X-men- I hated the whole story with Xman and Legion. It's dumb and full of false depth and gives Xman a Messiah complex out of nowhere (I know they justify it in the ending but the justification is stupid) and it all ends up with another "no more mutants" mess in which all the Xmen are supposedly dead.
The only, ONLY good thing to come out of the xbooks is... Despite hating the lead in and hating the tone and not caring for either's resurrection, I DO appreciate the Wolverine and Cyclops putting aside their problems and working together dynamic. They haven't done much but fight off some hate groups and urine off cap, but I do like the dynamic.
Sorry, binged some various xbooks last weekend and needed to vent.
This weeks quote from Stans soapbox is how they are always trying to entertain and not editorialize.As such they try to keep their personal opinions out of their sagas.
Marvel in 2019 is quoting this.Are they being sarcarstic or are they that funting self unaware?
You are editorializing and personal opinions far outweight the entertainment in your book.So dont spit in our faces and then try to hide behind Stan Lee.
Has anyone else been reading the Age of X-Man stuff?
I loved AoA so much i thougut I'd try all of the first issues for this. NextGen and Marvelous X-Men were pretty good. While Nightcrawler was so-so and Xtremists was just garbage. I just read Prisoner X, and its interesting seeing Bishop be the one linked to the real world again. I'm looking forward to tye Apocalypse book, cause it seems interesting. It seems like the AoA analogues will carry over in terms of quality of the book too. Marvelous X-Men is like Astonishing X-Men, which was good. Both Generation Next and NextGen are really great, and X-Tremists is more like Factor X... weak.
Haven't read any new X-Men stuff in a long while. The last one I read was Soule's Astonishing X-Men. I thought that was decent. It seemed like it was doing a little cross-media synergy with the Legion Tv show and the newer movies.
There was an annual by a different writer that I didn't read, but it brought back the alien that called himself Luficer from the original Stan Lee run of X-Men. The one who was originally responsible for the loss of Xavier's ability to walk, before that got retconned. The character made very few appearances after that.
Haven't read any X-Men books since around 2014 or so. If they let mutants make some darn progress instead of facing extermination every other week, maybe I'll start picking them up again.
As I've said before, I did a hard boybott on X-Men during the X-Men vs Inhuman business. Only Spider-Man/Deadpool was exempt from it. Mind you, the X-Men books weren't really putting out anything I wanted to pick up at the time anyway. Astonishing came out after IVX, so I picked that up, which I liked, but the later stuff has lost me.
And yes, I think X-Men especially has a problem we see a lot with Marvel and DC these days; they're doing status-quo shaking events too often to tell enjoyable stories with the status quo and characters they do have. Well, that and they keep going "Let's just kill off whoever editorial will let us kill, and let the readers look them up on the fan wiki" as a substitute for a good story.
Right now, I'd rather just read my Essential reprints I never got around to reading. Much more enjoyable, honestly. With those, even the stuff that's kinda bad is still good, because it becomes a charming element of the era the books came from. The modern comics really do not benefit from this factor.
Shaking up the status quo is only needed if you have a status quo.If you cant have 2 issues without tying into some event,then your events ARE the status quo.
Event-aftermath/prequel-Event+Spiderman crossover+X-men event-aftermath/prequel-Infinity something...
Just read Uncanny X-men 13...
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Sorry Marvel, putting the X-men in "iconic" costumes isn't going to make me love them again. Also... I get they're supposed to be a bunch of random outfits Scott found in the basement... but MAN is that an eclectic selection. 80s Wolverine, 90s Cyclops, early 2000s Havok... Don't get me wrong, I love me some Brown Wolverine, but like... it's just a *bizarre* collection of outfits.
Not to hijack the movie thread- IIRC Wasp came up with the name Avengers because she thought it sounded hip.Was that ever retconed?Or any other explanation given?
You are correct. That was in the very first issue of the Avengers. Was it ever further retconned or expanded in the comics? I don't recall. I'd guess if it was, the most likely place would be in those Joe Casey "Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes" miniseries that go back to the early days of the team (which also includes the mini "Hulk Smashes the Avengers") but I haven't read those yet. Maybe I'll have to give them a read sometime.
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It still seems like thats the case.And you think Tony should remember,he was there.
Man, I read that when it came out, and didn't even remember.
Also, yeah, I enjoyed that run, but that's some bullcrap. Tony doesn't remember (or pretends not to, which is a d-bag move, even for post Downey Tony) And Ms. Marvel knows (how? Well, I guess that's less important than having her "Um, actually" a founding Avenger) and Tony basically bashes the Wasp behind her back? Are we sure Remender didn't write this?
Oh, on a not-particularly-related note, I'm reading some recent Marvel comics the other night, when I see an ad for a War of the Realms tie-in, and what do I see?
"War of the Realms: Journey into Mystery" featuring, among other characters, Death Lockett! So she does exist and somebody decided to use her? Coolio, Now if they could just do that for Gravity, the Eli Bradley Patriot, Wiccan, Hulkling, Speed, Cassie Lang, pretty much all of the Thunderbolts.... (oh right, just gotta wait for the movies to come out)
Also, I love how you can tell just from the cover that she's still "Angsty, unlikable" Death Lockett. I mean Arcade can make later appearances that don't reference or play off Avengers Arena/Undercover in any way, shape or form, but apparently the same does not apply to her...ok...
Because she a super special awesome fangirl?And Tony might have been drunk?
Wasp was only around for a month?Just the first team or do you count her entire tenure as an Avenger?She left and rejoined a few times,but its probably a bit more then a month?
Its funny that you can pick any page of any post-2015 Marvel comics and find at least 2 things that dont make sense.
Seems like the current batch of "writers" only knows about 3 villains:Doctor Doom,Taskmaster and Arcade.What is this opsession with Arcade?
QuoteSeems like the current batch of "writers" only knows about 3 villains:Doctor Doom,Taskmaster and Arcade.What is this opsession with Arcade?
So a recent issue of Avengers: No Road Home had a text page in the back where the various writers on the mini talked about what villains they enjoyed writing or just liked in general. It included a juggling-themed villain team, Loki and Doctor Doom. It was kinda neat and gave a pretty good insight into where their heads are at and what their preferences and sensibilities were. Like how Loki can work as both a good guy and a bad guy.
Waid talked about Doom, and talked about how flexible he is as a villain in terms of how "noble" he is. Which isn't surprising. Waid, in his FF run, did a Doom arc that started with what he called "deconstructing his nobility". It involved him finally getting his mother back with dark magic like he always wanted to and then immediately sacrificing her for more power.
Anyway:
Jonathan Hickman is going to be doing some X-Men.
I got nothing. I did read his Avengers a few years ago, but I never finished it. I had trouble latching on to his writing, so I don't know about this. If I look into it and something grabs me maybe I'll get into X-Men with it but I kinda doubt it. I've got at least 5 weeks of new comics to get caught up in right now as it is.
It's convention season so time for a comics roundup:
-Marvel's about to put out a Spider-Man mini where Spidey fights Mysterio, obviously because of the upcoming movie. It actually takes place during the original black suit saga, which, according to an interview I was looking at, never featured Spidey fighting Mysterio, so it's somewhat uncharted territory. The editor of the book insists it will fit into continuity.
The good news: it's written by Peter David. Yay! The bad news? It's "drawn" by Greg Land. Boo!
I'll give it a pass on first release. Might read it a lot more down the line.
-Marvel's doing a War of the Realms tie-in mini where Spidey leads a team of Asgardian-themed characters. Not all that appealing to me.
-A new Death's Head mini where he teams up with, of all people, Wiccan and Hulkling of the Young Avengers! I'm probably not going to pick it up on first release, but I'll keep an eye out for it, yeeesss.....
-At a C2E2 convention panel, C.B. Cebulski was asked about the Young Avengers, and he replied that It's definitely going to be a good time to be fans of the YA, "but I can't confirm or deny Allan Heinberg or Jim Cheung's involvement." Kinda weirdly specific there. I mean, it's not like they were the only creative teams that worked on the original YA. I mean, even if you discount the Gillen lineup there was Zeb Wells, Chris Yost, Brian Reed, Ed Brubaker, Paul Cornell...
-I can't remember if I mentioned this before but they're doing a War of the Realms: Giant-Man mini, which should really have been called "Giant-MEN" because there's four of them: Scott Lang/Ant-Man, the new Giant-Man that was introduced in Astonishing Ant-Man, Atlas from Thunderbolts and Black Goliath's nephew Tom Foster. They fight an army of frost giants led by Moonstone of all people. Mind you, Moonstone lost her Moonstone during the recent "Thor vs Hulk: Champions of the Universe" but this was ignored after as she was seen fighting Carol Danvers in a recent Captain Marvel comic. Oh well. I'll be keeping my eye on this comic (I lost my other eye by trusting the wrong person :P)
Also very recently in Immortal Hulk:
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Rick Jones came back to life.
[EDIT] oh and here's one I missed. I had to track down where I saw this:
There was an ad running in Marvel comics a few weeks ago for a story involving Venom that showed a bunch of Marvel characters being engulfed in pinkish/reddish tentacles with Venom at the top (a Carnage storyline I think; I vaguely recall hearing about that online) with the tagline "Everyone is a Target" The part that made it notable for me though? The teaser image was drawn by Greg Land, so in my mind it was "Everyone is a Target.....Of Terrible Greg Land Art" :D
Suppose it could have been worse,could have been Salvador Larroca.No wait,thats the same thing.
It could have been...Javier Pulido?Or any of the ton of people with that webcomic/tumblr artstyle Marvel likes so much these days.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of a lot of the work Larrocca puts out these days. But he didn't use to look like that. You go back far enough, say, Extreme X-Men, I don't think it looks as photorealistic-style as it does now.
Does Larocca constantly recycle his own work, his own faces? Does he ripoff other artists' work constantly? Because I'd still put him above Land.
QuoteIt could have been...Javier Pulido?Or any of the ton of people with that webcomic/tumblr artstyle Marvel likes so much these days.
I have trouble remembering what Pulido's art looks like, but I'm sure I've read stuff by him. Yeah, there's a lot of artists working for Marvel these days I don't care for, including some a lot of people really like. I do find it a, let's say, detriment to the enjoyment of some of the books I do read.
I mean, right now mostly I'm just happy the artists of Avengers: No Road Home actually know how to draw Rocket Raccoon. It's been a long time coming.
Larocca does a lot of tracing.And like really lazy- I googled "Han Solo" and traced the first picture that came up - kind of tracing.
Ok,I had to look up who did that cr@ppy webcomic artstyle and Pulido came up.Thou,I assume hes not the only one responsible of that.
Pulido is great! Especially his Robin Year One stuff. He's been around a while too, and comes from the same era as Michael Allred. Hard to lump him in with the tumblr crowd.
Okay,not the worst example.Take for example Brittney Williams or Kate Niemczyk.
I'm happy to say I've never heard of either of those. I've got it lucky I guess.
Quoteand comes from the same era as Michael Allred
Sorry to say, I'm not a big fan of Micheal Allred. But you're right, he does come from that era.
Everyone saw that Mockingbird cover,but nobody looked inside...
Food for thoughts- with Disney buying Fox,Marvel might get Alien and Predator licences.Considering the sad state of both franchises,even Marvel-2019 couldnt funt it up any further.
Spiderman Life Story #1 and #2 - Its actually good.We follow Peters life from '66 and in real time with (Im not gonna say realistic) naturalistic consequences.Vietnam war,Green Goblin,Professor Warren,Peters love triangle.And a lot of things play out differently due to the real time aspect.Like Flash dying in Vietnam,or Reed being divorced.But it doesnt feel dark,it just feels like life.
Yeah, I meant to talk about this mini series in this thread a while ago. I was reading the solicits for it recently and thought it sounded kinda nifty. I wouldn't mind reading it some time down the line.
Savage Avengers #1- Its some goofy $hit.And thats not a bad thing.You got Wolverine and Conan,cults kindnapping opera singers,elder gods... there is potential.However it wouldnt be the first time Duggan started good but just dissolved 10 issue in.
Deodados art is great as always,but the coloring is that super-digital in-house style and it screws it up royaly.
Oh,and its called Avengers but the team is more like Marvel Now Thunderbolts + Conan.
Seeing as no-one else has brought this up, I guess I will. This week's Uncanny X-Men dropped a few days ago and apparently it had Rahne (AKA Wolfsbane) beaten to death by a human mob as a metaphor for trans deaths. The author has apologized after his twitter feed exploded in outrage, but the deed is still done.
For the record, Rahne is one of my favourite X-characters of all time. She's adorable and awesome and I love her to bits. So to see her not only killed off in such a fashion that highlights the problem with the franchise of late, but to do so to address a topic that the writer clearly has little to no experience with is nothing short of rage-inducing. Nevermind that she's not even trans. It's f***ing tasteless.
https://www.newsarama.com/45039-uncanny-x-men-writer-addresses-controversial-scene-spoilers.html
I quit reading mutant books years ago because I just got tired of them dumping [censored] on them every month. It was unnecessary, just a kind of mental onanism in the disguise of being "edgy". Earlier writers and artists worked hard to make us care for these characters, to want them to succeed and to have an occasional "up" with the "down". Sounds like things haven't changed.
Rahne's pointless death just annoys the hell out of me because it just once again shows that current writers don't follow ANY character development OR even their own official handbooks. Heck, Rahne during her X-Force membership could charge into crowds of heavily armored Purifiers with weapons and leave with only a few scratches. Now she has been nerfed down to being taken out by a group of random haters without not fully cutting lose on them if her life was threatened?!?!
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She literally is attacked then shifts into her half-wolf mode to defend herself wounding one of the attackers and then suddenly shifts back and apologizes for lashing out then after begging them to stop advancing on her she curls into a fetal position and they kick and attack her with blunt weapons. Seriously, She suddenly reverts back to her post-New Mutants frightened little girl state when Moria found her being chased by her fathers religious mob in Scottland. Seriously??! I'm sorry but after all of her character development in the last decade into becoming a tougher girl and even a member of X-Force that Cable and Deadpool were impressed by.. she now needed to become a normal defenseless human and reject her mutant side and die as a result.
OH HECK NO! Not even close to her wanting to leave her old life behind. She did that before when she thought she lost her powers and became an adrenaline junkie because she needed something to fill her need for action. This almost reminds me of that stupidity of writing we got when a story arc started with random mutants crucified on the lawn of the X-Mansion just to make a story impact and most of those deaths were retconned during Age Of X.
- CQ
Yeah, that sounds pretty bad. I haven't read X-Men in general in a few years (not counting Spider-Man/Deadpool, I picked up Charles Soule's Astonishing and Generation X, I think that was it) and it doesn't seem like I've missed anything good.
I have a longtime fondness for Rahne too, so yeah, that sounds pretty crappy.
QuoteThis almost reminds me of that stupidity of writing we got when a story arc started with random mutants crucified on the lawn of the X-Mansion just to make a story impact and most of those deaths were retconned during Age Of X.
So the X-Books are Chuck Austin bad these days? If so, that does put things in perspective.
As I'm sure I've said quite a few times lately, I've been reading a lot of older Marvel (and DC) comics in recent years, and I find it kinda refreshing. There's some good, fun, oldschool stories from back then that seem detached from the modern trends and instances of "because x writer says so" (not that that kinda thing didn't happen sometimes in comics written before 2005 or so, just it doesn't feel like it happened AS much).
It's a shame too, because Fox was
supposed to release a New Mutants movie sometime in the future, featuring Maisie Williams (Arya Stark from Game of Thrones) as Wolfsbane, which could have made some people fans of her, but in the comics, you get this.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on May 04, 2019, 02:38:16 AM
It's a shame too, because Fox was supposed to release a New Mutants movie sometime in the future, featuring Maisie Williams (Arya Stark from Game of Thrones) as Wolfsbane, which could have made some people fans of her, but in the comics, you get this.
During the Cinemacon event a few weeks ago that Disney/FOX stepped out to show they are working together to bring new life into the franchises they purchased in this buyout, They confirmed that Deadpool will remain under the FOX banner with Ryan Reynolds leading all of connected films (I'm assuming that X-Force will be part of the Deadpool Universe) and letting the X-Men pass into the Marvel Cinematic Universe once X-Men: Dark Phoenix is released.
But they showed New Mutants among the films to be released this year but it didn't seem obvious if it was theatrical, Hulu, or otherwise. I'm getting the feeling they are waiting to see how Dark Phoenix does and use New Mutants to change the discussion of the last FOX mutant project they release.
- CQ
For a NoPrize-- It was those evil white nahzeeees from the south? :banghead:
Quote from: crimsonquill on May 04, 2019, 03:29:30 AM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on May 04, 2019, 02:38:16 AM
It's a shame too, because Fox was supposed to release a New Mutants movie sometime in the future, featuring Maisie Williams (Arya Stark from Game of Thrones) as Wolfsbane, which could have made some people fans of her, but in the comics, you get this.
But they showed New Mutants among the films to be released this year but it didn't seem obvious if it was theatrical, Hulu, or otherwise. I'm getting the feeling they are waiting to see how Dark Phoenix does and use New Mutants to change the discussion of the last FOX mutant project they release.
That is a pretty good option, that I didn't actually think of prior. However, they're now saying it will be release theatrically in 2020.
Anyway, time for a comics roundup:
Avengers: No Road Home: I found this weekly series had some noticeable similarities to the last two Avengers movies that I would guess are intentional. Most people would recognize this story as the one that introduces (or perhaps it would be more accurate to say reintroduces) Conan The Barbarian into the Marvel Universe. But there is quite a bit more going on. For one thing, Al Ewing being one of the writers involved, there are a bunch of references to his Mighty Avengers run.
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The story includes a subplot of Rocket Raccoon spending time with Hawkeye and Hulk for a while, The Avengers largely getting curb-stomped by an overpowered villain who kills a LOT of established Marvel characters, and who has a miniboss team who the Avengers kill one by one. Then there's the ending, which sees Hercules going into space (possibly to appear in Guardians of the Galaxy)
There's also a heavy focus on Vision, which culminates in what I took as an extended tribute to Stan Lee, in which Vision chases down the villain to a magical house referred to as the "House of Ideas" and whups her butt by summoning the collective cast of Marvel comic's rich history, all drawn in the style of the Golden Age and Silver Age comics (including a visual homage to Vision's old backstory of being made based off the body of the original android Human Torch.
Even with all that going on, I found myself not enjoying it as much as I would have liked; I think its predecessor series, No Surrender, was better, and this one felt a little bit forced as a followup.
Avengers #18 A War of the Realms tie-in that's also a proper introduction to the newest incarnation of the Squadron Supreme, introduced earlier in Jason Aaron's run, and with a hefty dash of wink-wink Justice League references.
-There're now called the Squadon Supreme of America
-They're based in Washington DC, and are referred to more than once as "DC's Greatest Heroes!"
-Power Princess has a redesigned outfit that makes her look much more like Wonder Woman than ever before.
-Hyperion is a high school history teacher, teaching American history.
-Nighthawk is black (I think this is the first time that's happened?) And is the newly elective representative of the District of Colombia. It seems to be implied that his secret identity is public knowledge, or at least is known to his closest aids. He's also obsessively driven, fixated on his dead parents and suspicious of his teammates, just like Batman. (Or perhaps I should say, modern takes on Batman). As one character puts it "He's best when he's brooding."
-Power Princess is reimagined as an MMA fighter in her civilian life.
-Instead of Whizzer or Speed Demon, we have Blur, who works an office cubicle job and sometimes works multiple jobs due to his super speed. He's also a social media addict.
-It's drawn by Ed McGuinness, who's worked on Batman/Superman and JLA Classified, making it look very reminiscent of JLA.
-Apparently S.H.I.E.L.D. has/had a database of celebrity sex tapes. "Who knew Vision was such a freak in the sheets?" Yes, really.
-Ontario and Lake Eerie gets namedropped in this issue, which amuses me, since I live in Ontario. The SSA, being very gung-ho America, aren't as concerned about protecting Canada apparently.
Spoiler
When the SSA was introduced several issues ago in this run, they were revealed to be organized by Agent Coulson, who was miraculously brought back from the dead after dying in a Secret Empire tie-in. They reveal how he came back during a big reveal at the end of this issue. He was brought back by Mephisto, who's secretly behind this incarnation of the SS. Man, Mephisto's getting around these days. Coulson, surprisingly, seems to have turned heel too. He seems perfectly happy to be wining and dining (literally and figuratively with Mephisto, and, like Agent Garret in Al Ewing's New Avengers/U.S. Avengers run, is written, for one scene at least, as a stawman. He describes Power Princess as "Thor, but with boobs. Or Wolverine, you know, the OLD them. Before they went all SOFT." (I assume that's a reference to X23 taking over the role of Wolverine?) I'm curious how fans online feel about this take on Coulson. I may have to look that up later.
It features a Spider-Man story by Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man writer Tom Taylor that may very well be the most pointless Spider-Man story I've ever read, if not ever published. It's a team-up between Peter and Miles (I'd assume motivated by the success of the Into the Spider-Verse movie) and features them teaming up to battle The Shocker and discussing what pizza places in New York they think makes the best pizza. That's literally all that happens in the comic. (There's also a lead in to an upcoming Venom/Carnage story, but I'm specifically talking about this story)
Supreme power had a black Nighthawk.He was even in the last Squadron Supreme series and had two series of his own.
/Checks wiki/ He got killed in Occupy Avengers,so I guess its not the same guy.
No, it's definitely not the same guy. There's a running concept in the issue that this new Squadron Supreme is being "groomed" to be the NEW Squadron Supreme that's kinda vaguely defined but also clearly supposed to be subversive (some online have claimed that this version of Hyperion and Power Princess being a couple was a dig at The New 52's most criticized Supes/WW coupling, which I could believe) but also can't be too subversive because it's yet another retread at a team that was always an on-the-nose wink-wink reference to the "Distinguished Competition". So basically every version of them is either "Get it? They're the Justice League!" Or "This is not your father's Justice League" (which is funny, since the official DC does that with every other iteration anyway), or, in this case, a bit of both.
I enjoyed it, but the big twist seemed engineered to make fans angry (I'm one of those people who heavily suspect DC and Marvel often do that on purpose as a marketing ploy) and I'm only mildly curious to see where it actually goes since Aaron's run has been nothing if not all over the place (It's about caveman Avengers! It's about Namor! Now it's about the Russian superheroes! Now it's about The Squadron Supreme! Now it's about vampires!)
Also,as I probably mentioned a few times,DC dropped the "of America" part 10 years ago,so this is a bit of a late jab.
And when your heroes only ever bother with New York,do you have the moral highground here?
Well, at least in this case, that myopia is intentional, and meant to mark them as bad dudes.
I get that,but its kinda lazy.
I've read the FCBD Avengers story now. It somehow managed to be even less subtle :o
Tony Stark: Look, I've never considered myself an
enemy of DC. There have been times you could even say I was a big fan. No matter the regime, they've always had people there who do great work. It's in all of our best interests that they do great work. But it's always seem to me they spend too much time worried about us, and annoyed we spend so little worried about them. [...] So hate us all you like. But deep down, you damn well know you wanna BE us. You wanna scream with all your might...MAKE MINE AVENGERS!
That's not to say we always know what we're doing around here. Even when it looks like we do, we probably made it up on the fly. We're good at that. It just means things get WEIRD sometimes. But you know what ol' Tony Stark always says...If ain't weird, you ain't trying.
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Gee, Jason Aaron, tell us how you
really feel! I mean, come on! Half of that barely even fits the metaphor, if at all! To quote Giles from Buffy: The subtext is rapidly becoming text.
[EDIT] And now for something completely different:
Going over some older posts in this thread, this part stood out:
Quote from: HarryTrotterLarocca does a lot of tracing.And like really lazy- I googled "Han Solo" and traced the first picture that came up - kind of tracing.
I was looking at a Disney/Marvel Star Wars comic recently (can't remember which one - it was one of the recent $1 reprints) and the tracing for the Original Trilogy cast was
really blatant. Like some of the most blatant tracing I've ever seen. It doesn't help when you're tracing the main cast of the one of the most iconic genre fiction franchises of all time.
People are going to notice you traced live action visuals of Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford.
Im sensing some resentment there.Did DC did something to you while you were young,Jason? This is Warren Ellis level of "spontanous" rant.
#DiDioManBad I guess?
We are almost at the end of this ASM crossover.And unless something really stupid happens in the last issue,it was...decent,I must say.Thou I will have the words "Thats so Kraven" stuck in my head.Spencer is down with the pop culture,he knows what kids are into. 🙂
X-men are getting a line wide reboot by Hitch.They must have funted up pretty bad,since they barely reached 20 issues.
Wow; that many?
Around that,I think?2-3 less,maybe,I wasnt really keeping up.
And speaking of numbering,Marvel is doing a Marvel Comics #1000.Since the first issue of MC came out in 1939 I dont think this math adds up.But DC did it,and we need a landmark,dammit.
Spiderman Life Story #3.It doesnt bring back as many elements as the previous issues.Mostly covering Kravens Last Hunt.But it still does an interesting spin on that.
And the WW3 thing pushes this a bit too much into What If territory.
Oh and quoting Stan Lees columns...even if you are not doing it ironicly,it doesnt work in your defense.Things changed.Stan said people told him there are too many Marvel titles,but also wanted new titles.He was kinda joking.Because you demanded it,Hulk gets a series and all that.Back when there were maybe 20 titles.
Now there are 70+ Marvel titles every month.There indeed IS too many titles.And nobody asked for them.Nobody wanted five Squirrel Girl books.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on May 20, 2019, 12:44:53 PM
Spiderman Life Story #3.It doesnt bring back as many elements as the previous issues.Mostly covering Kravens Last Hunt.But it still does an interesting spin on that.
And the WW3 thing pushes this a bit too much into What If territory.
Oh and quoting Stan Lees columns...even if you are not doing it ironicly,it doesnt work in your defense.Things changed.Stan said people told him there are too many Marvel titles,but also wanted new titles.He was kinda joking.Because you demanded it,Hulk gets a series and all that.Back when there were maybe 20 titles.
Now there are 70+ Marvel titles every month.There indeed IS too many titles.And nobody asked for them.Nobody wanted five Squirrel Girl books.
Except there aren't five Squirrel Girl books.
Methinks you're exaggerating just a wee bit.
1) You are really trying too hard
2) Its a figure of speech.There are plenty of titles nobody asked for and that sell under 10k.
How many Iceman titles we had by now?
3) You did say your not buying any Marvel books,so why do you have a problem?Is it just me?
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I swear it's always heated here. It's easy to get buried under all the details and more the nonsense in the world. In the people, in the communities, in life and in consumerism. It's a complex time to be alive. Don't let it drag you, even when it comes to your passion for the comic industry. This group has and always has been something special I don't see around the internet a lot. This is a very selective place for unique individuals with strong hearts for art coming together. Never let things like counter-opinions pull you from the importance of that and of the potential for great friends here. These people helped me through some of the most tragic times in my life and helped lift me up when I was at my most tragic. The thing to remember that for all the painful bologna is it's to serve as a reminder to focus and appreciate the good things when they are there and the good people. And you're all good people in my book. Else political stuff...yeah, that's what social networks are for now I think, or at least for political memes? Anyways love ya all, peace and killer whale.
On topic well, I don't care for the event but that's okay. Keeps me cut down on reading and I have too much else to do. And pay for for that matter. Let's me focus on the books I think are gems. I consider this and across the board here is it's a different time for superhero comics, like then we've ever seen. Both major companies are owned by entertainment giants now and all other properties are either trademarked by someone or at least all people working in the field are keeping themselves upon to being eyed by the industry so they can make some of that hot dollar. And who wouldn't really? That and we are at the cusp of an era where style is changing for the next generation, sort of like when the alternative music scene became a huge thing. With that happening it's all changing fast as the older folks running these publishing houses are trying to make sense of what the next generation will want to buy, noting the future of print itself standing on a ledge here, and what the die-hards still will as well. I think that accounts for why the state of comics are so strange right now and very scattershot for lack of a better term. It's a fun time to be watching it all at least. My stepdad has a plastic Rocket Raccoon on the dash of his truck, I mean he knows who that character is and I never would have dreamed of this day. I guess that's my sum and I say don't let yourself see it for anything it isn't. They're still people trying to entertain and do their jobs, it's just that they live in a time where it's not really concluded what that actually is. Me, I've just been reading old TPB's anyways. I figure if my love is for how the classics where told then why not give them a go again. Best I have to offer on the topic.
My mom makes fried bologna. Looks like zombie Pac-MAN.
Fried is the only way I like bologna. And I like to cook it until the edge starts to turn black.
It's been a while since I popped a comic open but I hear Jonathan Hickman is making a comeback and Marvel is giving him full reign over the X-Men. Any details on what he's planning? Inside trade secrets? Stolen personal diary? Spill it folks!
Most is all over CBR and what not about that. I'm a fan so sounds good. Mostly covers, he likes to surprise his readers and doesn't seem apt to say much. Though in the interviews they kept coming at him with fan assumptions and it seemed to be making him upset a little. This is the interview in question but it's as verbal as I've seen him about the whole thing so far and the least cryptic.
https://www.cbr.com/jonathan-hickman-house-of-x-powers-of-x-interview/ (https://www.cbr.com/jonathan-hickman-house-of-x-powers-of-x-interview/)
There's some other sort of answers linked in it. This tweet by him is just fun.
https://twitter.com/JHickman/status/1131373624273887232 (https://twitter.com/JHickman/status/1131373624273887232)
That was an intriguing article. A bit cryptic. Or perhaps void of many details. It looks like each issue will be 40+ pages if I read that correctly; without relying on cliché cliffhangers at the end of every issue. Yup, I'll be trying this.
That tweet :lol:
Right? I mean Hickman is a bit of a snob but he's so eloquent and funny about it. And for sure, what else is new with him. Year one and two of keeping everyone guessing then he drops the bomb on it, it works so well for his writing. His Fantastic Four run speaks for itself here.
"The most important scene in X-Men history." wasn't just hype and marketing. The latest issue(House of X #2) really blew my mind. I think Hickman just out-Morrison'd Grant Morrison, but without drugs.
Heh. Funny way to put it. Interesting method and I mean cleaning up continuity errors at the start of the story rather than at the end like he did with Time Runs Out. Complicated too, bless him for the included infographs explaining all that. Any read you have to sit and think about after is a worthwhile read.
Quote from: SickAlice on August 08, 2019, 02:33:44 PM
Any read you have to sit and think about after is a worthwhile read.
Right? I read it before heading to bed last night and thought to myself:
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"Moira, you knew everything this entire time and every event was you trying to manipulate the future to fit your goal." X-Men events sped through my mind. Each one sparked by Moira's actions. We've known her for so long, but really, she didn't have many layers. But it's always been her. Everything has been her. It sounds so ridiculous, but reading the issue, it works so darn well. Hats off to Marvel for allowing Hickman to be bold and daring. And to Hickman for executing it like a champ.
Exactly tho, he is one of the few that can take something that on paper would sound silly and make it work. The fun part is this just the start. Knowing how he writes we haven't even seen the real double take yet and that's saying something.
Just when you think you saw the most unnerving piece of nightmare fuel Immortal Hulk had to offer you read the next issue and find out how wrong you were.
Typing it somewhere just because it's a bit of a tick in my brain but I noticed Marvel very recently put out at least four direct sequels of established storylines without naming nor promoting them as such, in some cases rather applauded and well known ones. Just seemed odd that they wouldn't attempt to notify fans of those stories they had continued them.
QuoteTyping it somewhere just because it's a bit of a tick in my brain but I noticed Marvel very recently put out at least four direct sequels of established storylines without naming nor promoting them as such, in some cases rather applauded and well known ones. Just seemed odd that they wouldn't attempt to notify fans of those stories they had continued them.
The funny thing is I knew a guy at the previous comic book store I used to go to. He was one of the most insufferable people I'd ever met in my life. I used to watch an old Canadian tv show as a kid and one of the characters had a nickname for someone: "Pretentious Idiot". Before we threw around the word "hipster". This guy is that guy.
With Marvel he'd be all like "What is there to like? They just rehash all of their old stories?" And I'm just like 1) Nice oversimplification for the benefit of bashing them. 2) I KNOW you haven't read a Marvel in years and 3) You can do that for EVERYTHING. (and in many cases, we do) You can do "DC? What is there to like? They just reboot their universe every few years, then undo it, then reboot again, rinse and repeat"
That one, shallow, stubborn, narrow-minded criticism (from someone who would later praise some DC books for doing their own takes on classic Marvel characters) got me thinking for a longtime, and my conclusion was that originality is 1) overrated and 2) ultimately worthless. It's going to come down to execution. "Originality" (or rather "the illusion of originality") is ultimately only going to get you so far.
Back to Marvel, if we're at the point where they actually don't want to use the name of the story they're making the new story a sequel to, because they are worried people will see that name with a number or a subtitle at the end ("Annihilation: Scourge", for example) and will actually be
discouraged from reading them, I actually can't fault them for that. It's kinda a problem they created for themselves over time, but it is what it is.
In any case, Empyre, for example. That book can be complete trash. It can be a pointless retread, ect. And ultimately, I'm probably not going to care because Hulkling from Young Avengers in it. That's the fanboy in me, I supposed, but darn it, I've been waiting a long time for some YA content. Sometimes I'll take what I can get.
[edit] Returning to this point months later....I must have been pretty tired when I wrote this because the middle paragraph was so awkwardly, poorly writing, I myself had trouble telling what I was originally trying to say and opted to rewrite a good chunk of it for clarity's sake.
Annihilation: Scourge was one example, can't recall the rest I read when I said that. It was the continuation and closure of several dangling plotlines from over the years yet they made no mention of it in the adverts for it. Oh and the recent Death's Head mini speaking of YA was a continuation of every Death's Head versions story but moreso a Young Avengers sequel, focusing on Wiccan and Hulking. Yet again they didn't promote that. Seemed odd to me, I would think they'd want to alert the fans of those characters.
Not sure I understand where the rest of that is stemming from sorry, it wasn't in my post? I was just wondering why they didn't tell the public. Though yeah, my comic shop guy was a nightmare when I was a kid. It was Batman or nothing, I eventually found a different way to get comics because I didn't feel like dealing with him. And holy moly did he hate the Archies Turtles with passion. Had a huge mural on the wall that said "Death To Archies" with a middle finger painted on it and refused to sell anything by the company as a result. Not sure if it's an LCS thing or a fandom thing, I think the latter. At some point it can become like a clubhouse and the fans become confused into thinking the medium is owned by and supposed to cater to themselves solely. Noting that in any fandom, music ones as well can be rife with it. I got to a point where I filter all that out, full time job online of course and choose to indulge whatever I feel like. No different than someone hating on a type of pie, won't prevent me from eating and enjoying it.
I'll add my stance for completions sakes here, "I like comics". There's never been a home team for me. Same applies to any arts, I like any music depending on the mood and the individual case. I note that I grew up in an era where B was acceptable. A movie could for example be poorly done in fact they spit out tons of them back in the day but it didn't mean a person could enjoy it any less. At best I consider this idea of picking apart the arts to the point of being hostile about it a result of growing up in a consumerism. "My way right away" as the slogan says. I never became acclimated to that, perhaps from growing up in poverty. As far originality well comic books, and I mean the very structure and foundation are based in trends so it's really a moot point. And not the devils handiwork some would make it out to be. The compromise with art when trying to share it with the masses is in order to do that it must become a product and thus confined by the structure of a product. It has to cater to what sells otherwise it doesn't. This will become more relevant in the coming year I think with the stock market in the hole and shops closed as series end up cancelled or just delayed. Naturally instead of minding the market trends most of fandom will probably just as well direct that frustration over not getting it their way right way in the form of dissing and/or blaming the rival product to the one they desire the most. Then again that itself is just a trend and in an odd way just some peoples way of showing appreciation for the arts so it might not be a bad thing. It's passionate interest I mean and thus supports the industry one way or another in the end.
#1 of WH40k Marneus Calgar is out- I guess it okay. Burrow artwork is passable here,even if Im not a fan usually. Oh,and Ultramarines are still boring.
I don't like that kind of artwork linked to Warhammer 40k universe, is to clean and bright to let me understand that is a " dark future", also the story don't enthusiasm me till now. W40k is a very cool universe but you have to push the right buttons i guess.
Again,Burrows artwork is the last thing from clean and bright; but the coloring is pretty bad for this type of thing. Its your generic Marvel-since-2016 look.
And the only remotely interesting Ultramarine already had 6 books. Which I do recommend,even if the last one is kinda underwhelming.
So sorry for the late reply. I'm surprised I never saw the new posts in this thread for so long.
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Not sure I understand where the rest of that is stemming from sorry, it wasn't in my post? I was just wondering why they didn't tell the public.
Oh I wouldn't worry about it. It's just some things I'd had on my mind for a awhile. Your comment got me on a bit of a tangent.
QuoteThough yeah, my comic shop guy was a nightmare when I was a kid. It was Batman or nothing, I eventually found a different way to get comics because I didn't feel like dealing with him. And holy moly did he hate the Archies Turtles with passion. Had a huge mural on the wall that said "Death To Archies" with a middle finger painted on it and refused to sell anything by the company as a result. Not sure if it's an LCS thing or a fandom thing, I think the latter. At some point it can become like a clubhouse and the fans become confused into thinking the medium is owned by and supposed to cater to themselves solely. Noting that in any fandom, music ones as well can be rife with it. I got to a point where I filter all that out, full time job online of course and choose to indulge whatever I feel like. No different than someone hating on a type of pie, won't prevent me from eating and enjoying it.
That's a pretty amazing anectode. There was a fellow who worked at the local EB/Gamestop who was like that. Then there was the guy who ran my local comic book shop in recent years. He drove me away like the one in your story.
Metroid was my Gamestop guy. I have a massive nostalgia for classic Nintendo, grew up with the 8-bit system and went in there looking for Prime series. He just went off and it was silly. He had this problem with the characters gender reveal add the character remaining a woman. Yeah it doesn't make sense but he was like seriously angry about it. Anytime I came in after which was mostly to pick up Nintendo plushes and old Wii parts he'd see me and it would trigger a rant about Samus. And I get the way fandom acts mind you, I understand the reasoning. And someone once explained it about comics that fans ranting is how they express their love for comics, like they're type A personalities so it's just the way they experience things. But it's just not me and if anything I think people end up depriving themselves. I did have a brief stint where when they introduced new versions of characters I wouldn't let myself enjoy them but thought about it, took a break then tried stepping back and seeing it from a different angle. Now I try and look at revisions and revivals as another medium, like a fresh slate and I get to enjoy both worlds so to speak. Pretty much the same method I look at movies with, they to me are a separate entity from the comics themselves and I tend not draw "should be like" comparisons that way.
Read Marvels X. Totally suggest that for Earth X fans. I wasn't expected much, Marvels and Earth X spin-offs tend to be decent but not essential. This was exactly essential. It acts as the bridge between Marvels and Earth X though more so the prelude to Earth X and fills in the major plot holes for that by the end of the six issue. Very essential reading by the same people who made the rest of them.
King in black: Thunderbolts #1 Well,that sucked. The story is the same basic Suicide Squad setup that we saw 50 times already (Marvel wants to do SS almost as bad as DC wants to do a Punisher) with a tacked on Thunderbolts name because Kingpin owns the trademark to it. How wacky and selfaware. <_<
Art is bad,and not in the usual deviantart style bad. It looks like a 10 y.o. tried to ape Frank Miller and then edited it on a tablet.
Oh that's out now eh? Can't say I'm unhappy I missed it. Doesn't sound very good.
QuoteIt looks like a 10 y.o. tried to ape Frank Miller and then edited it on a tablet.
So it's The Dark Knight Strikes Again?
"This book looks great. It looks like someone drew it and got their girlfriend to color it on their computer." ACTUAL pull quote on the back of a trade of DK2
Im pretty sure there is a quota on tie-ins to every event since there is no actual reason for this to exist. Maybe as a pilot episode,but I don't see energy or love here. A group of C-list villains is threathened at gun point to go into a dangerous zone and rescue a guy,who isn't what they expected. It's the same setup since 1986. 🙄
So coming soon from the Ol' House of Ideas.....a revival of Heroes Reborn, because apparently the trademark is at risk of running out sure why not.
This version will a twist on Amalgam and the recent Infinity Wars miniseries, a mash-up of two characters in one, only good guys and bad guys. So we have, for example, Doctor Doom and Juggernaut as one heavily armored being.
Now, normally I wouldn't have much interest in this, but it was just announced that part of this storyline will feature Phil Coulson running for President of the United States.
See, THAT I'm actually kinda interested in.
Also, X-Men Legends by Fabian and Brett Booth, in which Fabian tells the TRUE story of the "Third Summer Brother" and YES, Adam-X The X-Treme is in it.
Yeaaaaaah, I'm probably going to have to read that at some point.
Also Hulkling and Wiccan are joining the Guardians of the Galaxy. NICE.
Ruins of Ravencroft/Ravencroft. This being an intersection of 2 events and current Spider-Man stories I was a bit lost. It generally tries to build up Marvels Arkham Asylum...built on the ground of a tribe of cannibal Indians who worshiped the super huge villain of the upcoming event. Then there is a bunch of mutated-vampire-failed-experiments,because Dracula did some experiments here back in WW2. And Sabertooth fought a werewolf there back in 1909. And Kingpin is the new warden and he hires Norman Osborn as the consultant. And doctor Kafka is alive. And Misty Knight is around. So is Reed Richards. And Kingpin hires Moonstone, Hobgoblin and Taskmaster. That should have been the new Thunderbolts reboot IMO. And Punisher is one of the inmates. And D-man is a guard.
Plenty of things I like in there but geez,Im getting a headache from it all.
Oh, I see. The Spider-Man-specific stuff in there comes up in Spencer's Amazing, so now I know where that came from neat. Didn't realize the T-Bolts (or characters who have been T-Bolts) were in it, I may have to check in on it sometime.
Moonstone is in it and thats about that. But this would still be a better Thunderbolts reboot then the KiB tie-in we got.
Did I mention Grizzly is in it? And I should get around to catching up to ASM. Im somewhere in the low 40's.
Still counts, even only if slightly, since Tasky was in the T-Bolts during the first Civil War.
Just saw this - Heroes Reborn will be Jason Aaron and Ed McGuinness and Blade will indeed be a major character in it.
So I read the first volume of Jason Aarons Avengers...Hearing about it,it seems like it should work,but on the actual page,its a mess. Prehistoric Avengers SOUNDS like a cool idea,but if you think about it for 5 seconds,its just dumb. Which is how I could sum up the whole thing. It tries to be this big,cool,epic,cosmic thing...but its all just dumb and kinda hollow. Final verdict- mediocre at best.
Yep, pretty much.
The thing with that book is you have to to kind of view it as an unintentional comedy ala The Room and laugh at it for how bat guano insane it is, in order to enjoy it. And also every single issue that spends the whole time on prehistoric Avengers is boring as sin, makes little sense and contributes little to the overall narrative. You can pretty much skip or just skim over all of them.
It's pretty much industry level fan fic (and that's a bit of an insult to fanfic. I've read some very good fanfic, and written a fanfic or two myself) And almost makes me question if Jason Aaron was ever a good writer, or, as I said a few years ago, if he's actively trolling the audience, with stuff like Coulson turning heel and leading a villainous Squadron Supreme and She-Hulk spending a whole issue opining on her status as a sex symbol and then ending the issue with her jumping into a hot tub with the other Avengers.
His Star Wars run is also pretty much fanfic by the way. Both runs almost entirely on the phrase "wouldn't it be neat with"? Wouldn't it be neat if the human race was descended from Celestial vomit? Wouldn't it be neat if Blade joined the Avengers and they fought vampire supervillains? Wouldn't it be neat if Ghost Rider rode a mastodon? Wouldn't it be neat if Ghost Rider rode the Silver Surfer's surfboard (that one was kinda cool, I concede?) Wouldn't it be neat if Black Widow had a War Machine armor? Wouldn't it be neat if Blade had a baby Man Thing on his shoulder that could form full body armor? Wouldn't it be neat if Mephisto was a Norman Osborn-esque big bad pulling the strings?
And the sheer amount of Marvel Universe wide retcons....I don't even want to think about it. The people working on the Wiki's must have been pulling their hair out when this run started coming out.
And most recently
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Wouldn't it be neat if Namor had the Phoenix Force (again?) and Wouldn't it be neat if an evil Moon Knight and Khonshu curb-stomped the crap out of the Avengers, gained power over Thor's Hammer and took over the world?
At that point I just 100% just go "I don't even care anymore, just do whatever you want" and roll with it. I asked myself the question "Why am I still buying and reading this?" and the answer was 1) I don't hate it enough to drop it 2) The art is usually pretty good 3) I always read Justice League and Avengers if they have a good character roster and creative team. 4) It is kind of compelling to keep reading to see what absurd development is going to drop next.
On the plus side, Agents of Wakanda is a pretty sweet spin-off book. :)
Yeah,all of this is cool on its own. Like Namor starting his own team,or Gorilla-man,Winter Guard,but somehow it doesn't work. It basically Aaron immitating Hickman immitating Morrison.
Oh yeah,build up for the first arc is Loki going: What if humans are the real virus,maaaaan?
Squadron Supreme OF AMERICA. In case we couldn't figure out they are a parody/, homage of the JLA.
"You went double gods,Dimitri. Never go double gods." Seeing that Tony Stark said this I assume its a reference.
CA to Namor: "Damn you,you nearly killed Stingray!" Nearly?He sicced the sharks on him,how the hell did he survived that?!
Well some of this we talked about that in this very thread when it came out.
Here's me, June 2018:
QuoteOh, here's one I meant to do:
Avengers #2 by Aaron and McGuinness, aka "Marvel, PLEASE for the love of Rao kill off Loki forever!"
So pretty standard Avengers story, meet, fight, team up, followup to that godawful hot garbage caveman thing from the Marvel Legacy One Shot, whatever. But because someone really hates me, it's interspersed with Loki-sempei going on a Doc-Ock rant about how great he is and how much Daddy mistreated him and how he's the REAL greatest Avenger ever and why won't everybody just bow down and acknowledge his greatness and blah blah blah get a blog already! I don't think I've ever been more sick of Loki-sempei than I am after this comic, and I really really REALLY hope this arc ends with someone giving him an epic Luffy-style punch in the face. It doesn't matter who. It can be Jarvis for all I care. On the plus side, apparently Comic!Loki fans hate it too because at the moment it appears to be ignoring years of Loki development, but that requires you to start from a scene logic that posits that Loki snarking his way all over the place because movie isn't the most tedious effing thing ever.
Here's you right after:
Quote from: HarryTrotterI cant say anything about the Avengers,that I havent already.Franchise needed a kick in the rear,but I doubt Aaron is the man for the job.Well,I cant think of anyone who would be at this point.
Here's me, Aug 2018:
Quote(Toys-R-Us lives on in Canada! :thumbup: )
We talked about this in the "best comics of 2020" thread.
In May 2019, pg 124 of this thread, you and I extensively discussed the Squadron Supreme of America, and I specifically mentioned the "Of America." part.
Man, going over my original posts about this run, I'd forgotten just how poor some of the writing and dialogue in it really was. And the fact that these plotlines are still going on a year and a half or so later. Wow, Jason Aaron really had the freedom to play the long game. Not every writer gets that freedom.
Quoteand I'm only mildly curious to see where it actually goes since Aaron's run has been nothing if not all over the place (It's about caveman Avengers! It's about Namor! Now it's about the Russian superheroes! Now it's about The Squadron Supreme! Now it's about vampires!)
Here's you:
Quote from: HarryTrotterAlso,as I probably mentioned a few times,DC dropped the "of America" part 10 years ago,so this is a bit of a late jab.
Me again:
QuoteTony Stark: Look, I've never considered myself an enemy of DC. There have been times you could even say I was a big fan. No matter the regime, they've always had people there who do great work. It's in all of our best interests that they do great work. But it's always seem to me they spend too much time worried about us, and annoyed we spend so little worried about them. [...] So hate us all you like. But deep down, you damn well know you wanna BE us. You wanna scream with all your might...MAKE MINE AVENGERS!
That's not to say we always know what we're doing around here. Even when it looks like we do, we probably made it up on the fly. We're good at that. It just means things get WEIRD sometimes. But you know what ol' Tony Stark always says...If ain't weird, you ain't trying.
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Gee, Jason Aaron, tell us how you really feel! I mean, come on! Half of that barely even fits the metaphor, if at all! To quote Giles from Buffy: The subtext is rapidly becoming text.
You again:
QuoteIm sensing some resentment there.Did DC did something to you while you were young,Jason? This is Warren Ellis level of "spontanous" rant.
#DiDioManBad I guess?
Here's me, Dec 2019:
QuoteAlso Blade's in the Avengers now, because why not I guess. Time to reboot Blade in the movies?
Huh, in that same post I pointed out that Infinity Wars: Sleepwalker was setting up the return of the Secret Defenders. I don't think that ever happened.
And now I'm back.
Quote"You went double gods,Dimitri. Never go double gods." Seeing that Tony Stark said this I assume its a reference.
I understood that reference. Probably one of the
better moments of writing in Aaron's run, really.
Stingray (not the guy from Cobra Kai): I surprisingly didn't comment on this at the time, but yeah, that was some bullcrap. Guy was attacked by Namor, then left to the sharks. If the wound from Namor's attack wouldn't kill him, and the sharks wouldn't, the pressure's of the ocean floor would. Duke's "coma" from G.l. Joe the movie was more convincing than that.
I don't think I've ever seen
less effort to have a character not be dead other than just having them appear in a story like their death never happened.
Well,this is kinda embarrassing. Or this whole run isn't all that memorable.
Speaking of Loki and Odin...makes me wonder how much of Norse mythology happened in the Marvel universe. Cuz at one point Thor wears a dress so he could marry this giant and steal his hammer back.
Btw, Ultimate Avengers did an arc about vampires and Blade (okay, probably every superteam fought vampires once or twice),and did it better. Say what you will,but Millar can write a fun superhero comic when he wants.
Also,we are clearly going to have another arc with Dracula. And Red Widow is probably somebody we know. Just guessing.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on January 29, 2021, 12:24:18 PM
Well,this is kinda embarrassing. Or this whole run isn't all that memorable.
Oh I left out an ENORMOUS amount of discussion between you and me about the Squadron Supreme of America.
QuoteSpeaking of Loki and Odin...makes me wonder how much of Norse mythology happened in the Marvel universe. Cuz at one point Thor wears a dress so he could marry this giant and steal his hammer back.
Well, considering in Norse lore Loki also turned into a female horse and bred.....yeah, some stuff doesn't make it in. As for Thor having to be in drag.....yeah, I'm not going to lie, I kinda wanna see Hemsworth do that.
QuoteBtw, Ultimate Avengers did an arc about vampires and Blade (okay, probably every superteam fought vampires once or twice),and did it better. Say what you will,but Millar can write a fun superhero comic when he wants.
I read that back in the day. I liked it!
And of course, Red Son is genuinely great. It's the most tasteful thing I've ever seen from Mark Miller that wasn't aimed specifically at kids. I want to stress, the gritty deconstruction about Superman being raised by Soviet Russia was Miller's most tasteful story. That says a lot.
QuoteAlso,we are clearly going to have another arc with Dracula. And Red Widow is probably somebody we know. Just guessing.
Well considering ol' Vlad is on one of the recent covers front and center...
As for Red Widow:
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They still haven't revealed it yet. But an upcoming issue has a silhouetted figure on the cover, which is always code for "SPOILERS! START GETTING CAUGHT UP!" So I'll be reading some more terrible Avengers fanfic very soon.
Oh right, Hyperion punts somebody over the Canadian border. I completely forgot.
I know Im something of a Millar apologist,but he gets Superman. His run on Adventures of Superman is great. And Superior is basically a love letter to Christopher Reeves movies. So Red Son is far from his best stories. On the Marvel side,1985 is pretty good. Its like Last Action Hero with 80's Marvel.
Like I mentioned before,Dracula also plays a role in Ravencroft. It would be funny if he gets the next event.
Adventures of Superman is indeed quite good. But that hardly takes away from Red Son. Lex gets a lot more done in that story than in Superman TAS.
I forgot to mention, ol' Dracul also makes a cameo in King in Black, according the Marvel wiki.
Oh yeah,Thors son Modi is a villain in the Ultimates,so somebody remembered that part. Well,I tied the two topics together.
Anyway,moving on,Dracula planned for the whole thing,because ofc he did. Plot twist. Good thing the Russians went with it instead of just killing him after he told them whatever it is they wanted. Blade gets Boy-Thing. :D And Thor transforms into a dog? Hm,must have missed something.
I checked the wiki and this plot pick up in Wolverine,with Dracula getting a transfusion of Wolverines blood so he can withstand sunlight. Congratulations,current Wolverine writer,you actually outdid Aaron. :D
QuoteAnyway,moving on,Dracula planned for the whole thing,because ofc he did. Plot twist.
As I said, Aaron does like to make the run as long and complex as possible. As I said earlier, he does the same thing with Mephisto.
QuoteAnd Thor transforms into a dog? Hm,must have missed something.
Thor also half-transforms into a Brood when they go into space, because...I assume, Wolverine did in Claremont's run of X-Men, and if one character in Marvel transforms into something or takes on a certain superhero mantle, then whole swaths of them have to at some point. I mean, who HASN'T gotten a symbiote at this point?
QuoteI checked the wiki and this plot pick up in Wolverine,with Dracula getting a transfusion of Wolverines blood so he can withstand sunlight. Congratulations,current Wolverine writer,you actually outdid Aaron.
Well, if Captain America's blood and the Hulk's blood can give people powers, and Khan Nunien Sigh's powers can heal you, then Wolverine's blood giving people powers seems pretty reasonable. Which raises a Galactus-sized plot hole during the "Death of X" storyline, unless they covered their tracks, and I'm guessing they didn't cover their tracks on that one.
They do revamp Dracula a lot, but they also change him several times in the Coppola movie (to say nothing of the Castlevania games), so I can't really complain about that.
Eh,I don't have a definite version of Dracula... probably Christopher Lee...
Khans blood being magical is probably the dumbest thing in Into Darkness. Which is really saying something.
Back to ASM,well Last Rites was kinda anticlimactic. But clearly,this Kindred thing isn't over,so there will probably be another showdown...And the Spider-people call themselves The Order. Thats a terrible name on several levels.
It's also taken. There was also a super hero team called The Order, as part of the Fifty States Initiative, in their own series by Fraction that tied into his Iron Man run by using Ezekiel Stane. I read it back in the day. I remember liking it.
In ASM the group of Spider-Man-adjacent characters were also called "Spider-Friends", which was the in-universe term used in Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends.
Right,the California team. Its also been used out of the universe. And it's just generic.
Fractions Iron Man started strong,but I lost interest after Tony had to bow down to Doc Ock and kiss his tentacle.
Oh yeah,whatever happened to Doc Ock in the cloned Spiderman body? I think Superior volume 2 lasted for only 12 or so issues.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on January 30, 2021, 08:33:37 AM
the Spider-people call themselves The Order. Thats a terrible name on several levels.
I know, right. They could have went with 'The Web' or 'The Cluster' (what a group of spiders are called.) and that's right off the top of my head. I swear though, I was half expecting them to name the group 'The Spider-Friends'.
Ohhhh, and just as I was typing this, another name popped in my head... 'The Collective'.
According to the wiki its the Order of The Web...so less generic?
Mr Negative is back. Never really cared for him,but okay.
See, I was a fan of Mister Negative, and he was one of the main villains in the Spider-Man PS4 game and that's game's awesome and he was done rather well in it.
He's also getting at the very least a brief reference to him in the next Spider-Man movie, so you may be seeing a lot more of him.
Also, yes, Order of the Web was mentioned earlier in the storyarc.
QuoteI swear though, I was half expecting them to name the group 'The Spider-Friends'.
If you didn't see my post earlier in this conversation, I did in fact mention that they DO call themselves that in the book as well, including the recap page. They just don't do it in an official capacity.
QuoteFractions Iron Man started strong,but I lost interest after Tony had to bow down to Doc Ock and kiss his tentacle.
I actually forgot about that. Ugh.
QuoteOh yeah,whatever happened to Doc Ock in the cloned Spiderman body? I think Superior volume 2 lasted for only 12 or so issues.
Check my post about Otto in the "Marvel - bring someone back and kill someone off" thread. I went into detail about what ol' Otto's been up to short version, he's back as the classic style Doc Ock and back to being a villain, without the brain damage, after making a deal with (of course) Mephisto, who implied Ock was faking or exaggerating the brain damage as an excuse to be an a-hole.
I refuse to read the book because I know full well I'm not going to enjoy it, but bless our beloved based Christos Gage for sabotaging the "Superior" Spider-Man from the inside. He is truly one of us. He outright admitted to the fans he had Otto torture Blackheart in the annual for the main Superior book because it was "the kind of thing that character would do."
The "original" Otto is dead. The current one is a "duplicate" that he transfers his memories and personality into. And all the supposed morality he downloaded from Peter, that in no way deterred him from being a power mad, insufferable jerk? All gone, like it didn't happen. Every single thing Slott did with the character is now undone. As the fans on reddit said when Spencer took over, "Get wrecked Slott." :D [Edit: my bad, it was Tumblr. Not reddit.]
Meanwhile, in Champions/Outlawed:
I just started reading issue #1 the other night. I'm actually really enjoying it, as I said in the other thread. Yes, it's literally a retread of Civil War but specifically for underage teenage superheroes (which begs the question why Power Pack have a book that's part of it, since every one of them should be over 21 by now and Alex and Julie especially, but oh well).
It's handled....mostly well. While I should be peeved that the inciting incident is Viv Vision exploding and I adore that character, she's on the cover to a later issue and she's a synthezoid, like her father before her, AND she's been dead before, so I'm just assuming she'll be back by the end of the mini.
Anyway, Miss Marvel's big broadcast is of particular note. It's a very large wall of text and we can get a few different comments, observations and digs out of just that one scene.
Spoiler tag for story details and because this is a long one. And a little bit ranty.
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All commentary by me added in brackets and bold.
"It is now illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to operate as a super hero. [You know, there's an old saying: old enough to kill, old enough to frak (only they don't say "frak")] They say this law is about our safety, but noone seems to care about our safety when adults are doing harmful things all over the world [...] The Champions have always been about standing up against what's wrong [...] and doing the work that the ADULT super hero community is too busy fighting amongst themselves to DO. [Don't worry, I'll get to it at the end. I can sum up a lot of this with one joke.] We will be the generation that refuses to accept injustice [Hey, Injustice is a really good game! Sure, the narrative might be a bit forced and tiresome, but the actual game is fantastic!] Even if that makes us the Outlaw Generation."
Spidey, You want to field this one:
Peter Parker: I am so tired.
Nick, you want to field this one?
Nick: %^&* please, you've been to space.
"I take it she didn't consult you on this, Miles?"
Miles: "Not at ALL. She's speaking for the whole team. But this is a decision she made on her own. That's really not like her."
There, we're up to speed. Okay, guys, I just need a minute to say, Spoony, you want to field this one?
Spoony: BUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLL CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPP! (only he didn't say bullcrap)
Look, I know Kamala has her fans. I enjoy her half the time, I hope her Disney Plus show is good, it's Marvel Studios, so I KNOW it will be, and the young actress playing her looks promising, and I like the voice actress that plays her in the cartoons. But the other half of the time, as I talked about before with this specific team book (and its direct predecessor, All-New Avengers), she's a brat, a hypocrite, and a bully. And she did this specific crap all the damn time, and got called out for it by the audience AND the characters in the book.
I understand it's a new writer, and otherwise I've been enjoying it. But I expect the writer to at least do a once over on what actually happened in this team book, and be honest about it, and not sugar coat it because the characters are friends, because teenage ansgt and conflict within the team is kinda the name of the game.
Even Mark Waid, by his own admission in an interview (I mentioned this in this very thread years ago) knew to tone this crap down in Champions because people didn't like it, hence them going into space and whatnot. And it was a better book for it. No, not because it wasn't tackling social issues anymore, that's ludicrous. It's the lifeblood of science fiction and superhero comics have done it for decades. But because they didn't make the main character and leader of the team a glorified tyrant and fascist in the progress. She was one gunshot kill away from being Rick Grimes, aka The Rictator, from The Walking Dead. And what do you know, here we are.
Congrats, Ms. Marvel, you have in fact made it to the big leagues. Because you are now Tony Stark. Civil War Tony Stark. But then again, that WAS Carol's role in CW II as I understand it (I didn't read it), so that's kinda appropriate. But if you really think the young generation knows better, you should know NOT TO DO THIS CRAP AND TO TALK TO YOUR TEAMMATES FIRST. Even Tony did that.
Somewhere out there Cassie Lang is flipping you off, which is appropriate, because you wrote fanfic of her where you shipped her with another character I don't think she's ever actually interacted with.
This isn't Civil War. That was Team Fascist vs Team Not Fascist, this is Kamala fighting fascistic behavior with the same at her own team's expense for no logical reason. Even the X-Men would call this crap out. (And PLEASE don't bring real life politics into this. We clearly can't talk about that in a "civil" manner and there's plenty here from just an in-universe context to pick apart)
And it's not even Cosmic Cube tampering either. She's just this stupid and badly written. And the funny thing is, most of the young heroes would have probably have stood with her in solidarity if she didn't throw them under the bus, but after this, she deserves to be thrown off the team like Batman from Tower of Babel or Carol from Live Kree or Die or Cyclops after he killed Xavier, because every single bad thing that happens going forward in this book is her own fault.
So yeah, book's still pretty good, but that part was kinda dumb. Kinda really dumb actually.
But hey, maybe I'm overreacting. Let's see what the scans_daily community had to say about this storyline:
""(Hey, who put "well-meaning but misguided" on this thing? Get that crap off there!)"
Ah, you found the Val Cooper / Senator Kelly spot.
It's right between Henry Gyrich's "well, the a$$hole does have a point" and Maria Hill's "stop helping, you're making it worse" spots."
"Stories like this are why I stopped buying Marvel."
"This will lead to nothing but horrible, terrible and bad outcome scenarios in the super-community."
"Every time the Marvel Universe tries to legislate minors with superpowers, the end result is *always* government-sanctioned child soldiers.
Never forget Cloud 9."
Yeah, that's about right. And those were some of the more
polite comments. And that was for the Outlawed one-shot, one issue before this.
You know what? After I'm done reading this mini (it's not all out yet), depending on how it shakes out, I'm tempted to support Linkara's Patreon in order to get him to review the book, because he did a Patreon review of the Champions arc where Miles makes a deal with Mephisto and gave it a good review on the grounds that it was a lot better than One More Day. And it WAS, though me and Linkara have different reasons for WHY we consider it vastly superior (no pun intended). But I'm kinda curious what he must think about this one. It's Civil War with bad writing turning Kamala Khan into Tony Stark. Yeah, that's a conversation starter right there.
Continuing with the Avengers,this is the Family Guy of comics. I only keep up with it to see how absurd can it get.
-She-Hulk spends 2 issues complaining how she used to be objectified. Deadpool shows up to remark how she used to be like him,before him. :rolleyes: Then everyone jumps into a jacuzzi.
- An actual troll: Thor is his name,not a legacy.How could anyone else be...[gets beat up]. This really is a Family Guy skit.
- Only reason for the She-Hulk change is that they couldn't use the Hulk because he was being rebooted. Why didn't they find another big guy,thou?
- Ghost Riders origin story is that he used to be a street racer,then got killed by drug dealers. But the car possesed by the spirit of his serial killer uncle. Congratz dude,you are the second edgiest person around.
-Frank Castle, Cosmic Rider. Why is this fanwankery even a thing? This really is fanfiction territory.
-I don't want to repeat the things about Squadron Supreme of America...this is a General Glory level parody. Only this is meant to be taken seriously.
-Black Widow having an armor is another thing from the Ultimates.
-Something about Namor and Squadron Supreme. Nobody points out that the previous Squadron killed him. Missed opportunity.
QuoteContinuing with the Avengers,this is the Family Guy of comics. I only keep up with it to see how absurd can it get.
Yep, pretty much exactly that. I'm pretty sure I called this run a "glorious trainwreck" at one point.
Quote-She-Hulk spends 2 issues complaining how she used to be objectified. Deadpool shows up to remark how she used to be like him,before him. :rolleyes: Then everyone jumps into a jacuzzi.
Yep, I mentioned that further up too. Did not remember that it was 2 issues, that arguably makes it worse because - guess what - I'm one and a half-arcs away from being caught up in the comic and - you guessed it -
nothing in that ever comes up again in any capacity. Cool story bro. And the fill-art in that issue wasn't too great either. Man, She's been a weird character over the years, hasn't see? I'm curious to see how she'll be handled in the live action D+ show, as I've mentioned several times before.
Quote- An actual troll: Thor is his name,not a legacy.How could anyone else be...[gets beat up]. This really is a Family Guy skit.
I think I forgot about that, but it does sound vaguely familiar, but yeah, Aaron was doing a lot of straight-up trolling in the earlier issues, as a direct follow-up of his Thor run. I didn't read it, I only saw a few scenes, but this does feel like the spiritual successor to his Thor run, and it's not overtly trolling anymore, it still feels very much Aaron is straight up taking the proverbial pi$$, and is whizzing away all his past cred as a writer and turning his work into an unintentional (maybe?) parody of itself Frank Miller style.
QuoteGhost Riders origin story is that he used to be a street racer,then got killed by drug dealers. But the car possesed by the spirit of his serial killer uncle. Congratz dude,you are the second edgiest person around.
Is the first Johhny Blaze or someone else? Now I did read the first arc of All-New Ghost Rider and, funky art aside, I kinda liked it. GR is actually one of my favorite parts of Aaron's run, as I've probably made clear many times, I like it when younger, less experienced heroes come onto a team like Avengers or JL and see how they interact with the more experienced heroes. My favorite examples of that are Firestar and Justice.
But yes, the Mephisto stuff is kinda an example of why the Peter Parker "I am so tired" meme exists.
QuoteFrank Castle, Cosmic Rider. Why is this fanwankery even a thing? This really is fanfiction territory.
Yes, indeed. I think I've heard the actual comics he first appeared in are really good (It's Donny Cates - I liked his GotG a lot - I have no flipping clue what the heck's going on in Venom these days those - geez) but yeah, Frank as Cosmic Ghost Rider is so, so dopey. So it's perfect in Aaron's Avengers. :lol:
Quote-I don't want to repeat the things about Squadron Supreme of America...this is a General Glory level parody. Only this is meant to be taken seriously.
In the context that they're a serious threat and it's a running on-and-off plot (and apparently a huge part of the plot of Heroes Reborn), sure, but as I've said before, I do get the impression stuff involving them is supposed to be tongue in cheek, though the humor's just a bit too on the nose and unsophisticated to be particularly funny.
Quote-Black Widow having an armor is another thing from the Ultimates.
It was. And I liked it better there because War Machine's armor forms out of his car, which Batman also did in the Brave and the Bold cartoon. I thought that was cool.
Quote-Something about Namor and Squadron Supreme. Nobody points out that the previous Squadron killed him. Missed opportunity.
That is a good point. But I think it's well established at this point that Aaron has zero effs to give on this book. Maybe he's trying to see how much he can get away with before his editors either reign him in or kick him off. That would make more sense than pretty much anything that actually happens in the run.
GR here is Robby Reyes. Johnny Blaze shows up and challenges him to a race...and that's pretty pointless even by the standards of this comic. Because Johnny is now the ruler of hell and Mephisto is "imprisoned" somewhere? You know,I think its easier to get into comics with no knowledge then with outdated knowlege. At least Im beginning to think so,since I keep trying to figure out what I missed and it gets distracting.
#1 of All New Ghost Rider is collected here,and the art is kinda mangaesque with speed lines and all that. It would probably look better in BW.
Tony is stuck in the past and becomes Ice Age Man. 🤣
And now Moon Knight stuff,which I can only assume Mephisto being behind somehow.
QuoteTony is stuck in the past and becomes Ice Age Man.
It was either this part or that business with Namor like, one (?) issue later where I completely checked out.
QuoteAnd now Moon Knight stuff,which I can only assume Mephisto being behind somehow.
Oh Mephisto's in there, but
I promise you, while I haven't finished the arc yet (I'm on part four of "The Age of Khonshu") the actual plot of that arc is far, far, FAR dumber than you're thinking.
Here's a sample for your palate:
Pirate Mephisto. And yes, it's
exactly what you're picturing in your head. Actually, on closer inspection, I think it's more like "Cowboy Mephisto." I'm not sure if that's an improvement or not. 🤣
Reading it, I feel so very blessed to know little about Khonsu or Moon Knight because if I did, I would might very well be
furious at this storyline. Instead, as always, I'm just Peter Parker, going "I am so tired."
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Oh, lest I forget, I read a few more pages of Champions: Outlawed #1, and I can't let this bold-faced lunacy go unchallenged (literally giggling like a Adam West Batman villain as I write this)
*Miles swings in to catch what appears to be a purse snatcher. Covers him completely in web (how's he breathing?)*
Miles: Here you go, ma'am. Got your purse back.
Me: You all know what this is going, boys. "Purse-snatching victim": *Pulls out badge* Thanks, but you're under arrest for
youth vigilantism. Me: What part of "I am so tired." Didn't you chuckleheads get?
Nick, what have you got?
Nick Fury: See now that's some bull$%&. When the shootout from the Gengis Khan episode of Legends of Tomorrow is less stupid than this, you know you put out something dumb.
I have exactly one question.
What's the point of a sting operation if you don't bring people who can actually immobilize and catch the young vigilante you laid the trap for?As Mystery Science Theatre put it: "~I'm the government, I'm the governement, I'm the reason nothing WORKS!~" :banghead:
Miles: A sting operation?! Does this mean I get to KEEP the purse?
You know what, good for you Miles! I'm glad you're taking this nonsense as seriously as the rest of us. Bebop, what have you got?
Bebop: Ho ho, you all got jokes now, huh? *Miles swings away without any difficulty*
Me: Guys, you really suck at this. This was one part the first Civil War storyline actually got right. You should know by now that wasn't going to work in the slightest.Now, you may be thinking, do I mean the law enforcement agents in the story, or the writer and editors?
The answer, as so often is the case, is simply "yes."
Moon Knight...I recommend the series from around Civil War. That was volume 5 or 6 IIRC.
Mephistos from different realities. 🤣 I believe we get both pirate AND cowboy Mephisto. 🤣 Phoenix force. Young Jean is still a thing?
I fogot this detail from ASM when Nora and Jonah debate releasing Sin Eaters interview.
Jonah: Are you sure we should be giving him platform to spread his hate?
Nora: See,thats why nobody believes the mainstream media.
What strawmen. Both of them. Ofc,everyone puts on green masks and riots,because this is the MU and we need the story to happen.
Also binging this,I notice that every issue has an "In memoriam". Damn,2020 sucked. :(
I suppose so.
QuoteMoon Knight...I recommend the series from around Civil War. That was volume 5 or 6 IIRC.
Funny thing, I think that's the
only Civil War tie-in I didn't get around to reading. I read the first issue or two and fell out of it. It is indeed on the ol' list.
No wait,it gets funnier...Phoenix force is here and it,I $#!t you not,traps everyone in a tournament arc. 😂
Also,Red Widow (maybe) kills
Spoiler
Howard The Duck
,Doctor Doom gives up because this is just like in a movie,and Hyperion can't handle the PF making him more open minded. That's an actual quote.
Also,Black Panther speaks like a Batman parody all the time.Btw, instead of telling us how hardcase and a chessmaster he is,maybe actually SHOW us that. All of this spymaster stuff he does,so far went nowhere.
Speaking of Batman parodies...Nighthawk and BP fight. Well,argue over taxes because Nighthawk is now an ambassador to Wakanda.
A tournament arc.....because of course.
The alternate universe Mephisto's are collectively known as the "Council of Red". How appropriate. "Hey, what if the Council of Kangs, except it's that guy from some old 80's comics that showed up at the very end of an infamous Spider-Man arc as a blatant plot device who became an ironic internet meme?"
Once you've already completely checked out, Khonshu wielding M'jolnir and taking over the world with the help of Moon Knight and an army of mummies barely registers, does it?
Black Panther: M'Jolnir knows my tribe. Knows us well. The blood of the panther kings flows through my veins. And I assure you, we have ALL been fighting Mephisto...for a very long time.
Well played, Aaron. Dumb, but well played.
I'll get to the other stuff a bit later because congrats, you have passed me in this entire run in about a week (I'm actually switching behind the physicals copies AND the digital now to try to get thought it faster, which is also how I got caught up on ASM)
That being said...I already figured out that Jason is trying to tie all of his other work together into this run because he wants he wants to be Rick Remender and Jonathan Hickman so bad it hurts.
And that's BEFORE Nick Fury from Original Sin shows up!
"I am so tired."
Iron Man and Captain Marvel in space:
Tony: Carol...Do you hear THUNDER?
I have so many questions based on this one moment.
Robbie Reyes: If you thought I was going to miss this fight, well....no offense...but you're even crazier than Moon Knight.
Well, Cap did rent the exact same movie from a video store multiple times just so he could talk to the cute girl running the counter instead of renting a different movie or asking her out, so...
Jason's Aaron's Avengers, the book where Moon Knight punching himself in the face is the least stupid, goofy, bat guano insane thing you'll see in the book!
*Moon Knight gets the Phoenix Force*
I'd make a joke, but the cover to the issue I bought today features everybody with the Phoenix Force, so yeah, this doesn't register one bit.
I got hooked on this. Its just so... bizarre. And modern comics being decimpressed,you can easily finish 6-7 issues in a day. Probably way more if you really tried.
Oh yeah,Watcher/Old Nick Fury is in it. Because Moon. Also,Moon Knight beats up Thor with his own hammer because its made out of Moon rock. 🤣 Btw,Thor is a bit of a jobber in this run.
And Tony is carrying around baby Starbrand...because IDK,Batman carried around baby Darkseid?
Heroes Reborn will give us Young Squadron,which is a mashup of Squadron Supreme and...Champions? Idk,Marvel used the same roster for 5 young heroes books.
QuoteI got hooked on this. Its just so... bizarre.
Dude, real talk. I just picked up the first issue of Transformers: Beast Wars by the writer of IDW's Ghostbusters, and on the
first page we see the Tripredacus Council and
learn Beast Wars Megatron's original name, and I'm reading this instead.
QuoteAnd modern comics being decimpressed,you can easily finish 6-7 issues in a day. Probably way more if you really tried.
Well, sure if you really try, but man, those Khonshu speeches and the prehistoric Avengers issues weren't exactly nail biters for me.
QuoteAnd Tony is carrying around baby Starbrand...because IDK,Batman carried around baby Darkseid?
My local comic book guy claimed Aaron is ripping off Scott Snyder's Justice League. He specifically said he thinks Baby Man-Thing might be a rippoff of....I believe he said Batman carrying around a Baby Starro? (I haven't read it)
QuoteHeroes Reborn will give us Young Squadron,which is a mashup of Squadron Supreme and...Champions? Idk,Marvel used the same roster for 5 young heroes books.
Oh boy, don't know if that sounds like a good thing or a bad thing. I just pulled it, and apparently it's a weekly series about 4 or 5 issues long, so that doesn't sound too bad unless there's a whole bunch of tie-ins. But from what I read, the premise is that in the new universe the Avengers never became superheroes and so the Squadron took their place. Which, like I said, sounds kinda like Thunderbolts with the T-Bolts swapped out for the Squadron. Yaaaay.
When I pulled it at my local comic book store, I said to the guy (we have roasted Aaron's run on like three or more separate occasions) "and...Lord help us all....Heroes Reborn by Jason Aaron".
QuoteDude, real talk. I just picked up the first issue of Transformers: Beast Wars by the writer of IDW's Ghostbusters, and on the first page we see the Tripredacus Council and learn Beast Wars Megatron's original name, and I'm reading this instead.
I saw the previews for that. Hot take,but I don't think they crashed on Earth this time around.
QuoteMy local comic book guy claimed Aaron is ripping off Scott Snyder's Justice League. He specifically said he thinks Baby Man-Thing might be a rippoff of....I believe he said Batman carrying around a Baby Starro? (I haven't read it)
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That happened apparently.
QuoteI saw the previews for that. Hot take,but I don't think they crashed on Earth this time around.
You know? This ALSO warrants a unique thread. Let the Battle Be Joined.
QuoteThat happened apparently.
Great Rao, it's even sillier than I thought. Is.....is Scott Snyder
also straight trolling? Because I saw the other day that they're doing a Dark Knight's Death Metal starring
Ozzy Osborne.
QuoteHeroes Reborn will give us Young Squadron,which is a mashup of Squadron Supreme and...Champions? Idk,Marvel used the same roster for 5 young heroes books.
Ok, so I finally saw the article for this, so now I know what you're talking about - a tie-in book with Kamala Khan as Girl Power (Power Princess), Miles as Falcon (Nighthawk) and Sam Alexender/Nova as Kid Spectrum (Doctor Spectrum).
Written by Zub, who - as harsh as I was to his Thunderbolts book a few years back - I've consistently enjoyed.
Yeah, I'm not going to front -I like the look of this quite a bit!
I like the costumes a fair bit - yes, they are a bit garish (especially Nova's) but they also are meant to evoke the Squadron Supreme monikers and costume designs. Not entirely sure about the story, but I cannot imagine Zub doing anywhere near as dumb as what might be the worst writer on a Marvel Civil War yet.
It's Champions with a different name. I'll be getting it.
Finished Avengers #38 overnight. The issue before Enter The Phoenix (Oh, like Enter the Dragon - how clever :rolleyes: )
Kid Thanos.
KID.
THANOS.
When I got to that I just laughed and I was like "I frigging hate this."
On the plus side Ed McGuinness drew that issue so it looked....pretty good? Like if you told me he phoned it in, I wouldn't call you a liar, but I liked it enough.
And also Mephisto doesn't just have to be a d*ck, he's got to play the longest con ever because he's apparently that patient when it comes to that guy and only that guy. And hey, he turned into a Terror Dog from Ghostbusters but with gore. Yay.
Also Doom the Living Planet. Sure, why not.
Prehistoric Avengers continue to be a terrible idea terribly executed.
Avengers Mech Strike #1 So they fight "Cronenberg Godzilla" and Tony made mobile suits for everyone. Okay,you have my attention. :)
Keeping with the there I read a bit of Marvel Action Avengers (IDW kids title) and its mostly Avengers fighting 50's Marvel monsters. Fing Fang Foom. Count Nefaria. Its awesome.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on February 05, 2021, 09:28:43 AM
QuoteMy local comic book guy claimed Aaron is ripping off Scott Snyder's Justice League. He specifically said he thinks Baby Man-Thing might be a rippoff of....I believe he said Batman carrying around a Baby Starro? (I haven't read it)
That happened apparently.
Actually Jarro (his name) was kinda cool. He started off kinda odd and strange, but he grew on me. Of course I may be a bit forgiving as the writer also brought back one of my favorite characters (Starman) in the same run.
Quoteought back one of my favorite characters (Starman)
Which one?
*resists jokes about Super Mario and Earthbound*
I kinda liked the one with the blue face who showed up in pre-Flashback JL a few times.
Quote from: Night Dragon on February 06, 2021, 05:19:02 PM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on February 05, 2021, 09:28:43 AM
QuoteMy local comic book guy claimed Aaron is ripping off Scott Snyder's Justice League. He specifically said he thinks Baby Man-Thing might be a rippoff of....I believe he said Batman carrying around a Baby Starro? (I haven't read it)
That happened apparently.
Actually Jarro (his name) was kinda cool. He started off kinda odd and strange, but he grew on me. Of course I may be a bit forgiving as the writer also brought back one of my favorite characters (Starman) in the same run.
I don't doubt it. It's Scott Snyder. I'm sure the whole book is some kinda good. I hated that Lex is a villain again but I'll try not to hold that against the run when I get around to reading it and I did like the Lex story he did in Action 1000.
QuoteAvengers Mech Strike #1 So they fight "Cronenberg Godzilla" and Tony made mobile suits for everyone. Okay,you have my attention.
So it's like Batman: Mechs vs Monsters? Pacific Rim with the Avengers? Could work. Do they actually use the descriptive "Cronenberg" in the book, like Rick & Morty? Because that's fun. My buddies who used to watch R&M learned that term from R&M (we're not big horror fans, and only I knew the reference before that episode)
Speaking of Cronenberg, he played a recurring character in Star Trek Discovery Season 3. Apparently he's a fan of Star Trek, like the many, many odd real life figures, actors and musical artists who have done so for the same reason.
Oh, and one other thing I realized last night while I was reading that issue of Avengers.
Aaron's run would work better as an Elseworlds tale. A lot of the problems with it, especially everything related to prehistoric Avengers, would be less of an issue in an Elseworlds tale.
Also the next issue blurb says our red-haired young female host for the Phoenix was born with "the only sin being having red hair" and I'm like, Is she a rippoff of Red Sonja? I'm not the only one thought that, am I?
Words "Cronenberg Godzilla" are used. Somebody was a fan of Rick and Morty.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on February 06, 2021, 05:26:51 PM
Quoteought back one of my favorite characters (Starman)
Which one?
Will Payton.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on February 07, 2021, 02:42:35 PM
Words "Cronenberg Godzilla" are used. Somebody was a fan of Rick and Morty.
Who isn't? :lol: PICKLE RICK!
Mech Avengers does look interesting. If I had a bigger budget, it would be on my pull list. But if it does come out in TPB, I wouldn't mind picking it up. And someone correct me if I'm wrong ,but didn't they do a toyline awhile back that had some of the Marvel heroes in mech suits?
Quote from: Night Dragon on February 07, 2021, 04:21:53 PM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on February 07, 2021, 02:42:35 PM
Words "Cronenberg Godzilla" are used. Somebody was a fan of Rick and Morty.
Who isn't? :lol: PICKLE RICK!
What if I told you the person you were directly responding to isn't particularly fond of it?
Also season 4 sucked and we all know it. Yes, creators, Jerry is pathetic, we know that, can we please get on with it? And Morty did not used to be this dumb. Morty, what part of "actually talk to Jessica for 2 minutes and stop basing your whole life around Rick's stupid Sci-Fi nonsense" isn't sinking in? And the plot not going anywhere or being paid off in a satisfyingly way was a joke in that season at least twice. A lot of us were very patient waiting for those plots to pay off, and that was a pretty crappy way to pay it off.
That dialogue-free Morty sequence with that girl he met, however, was brilliant - and of course the punchline was that Jerry sucks. Yay.
Also S4ep 6 "Never Ricking Morty", aka, the one on the train, if you watched the trailer before that episode, was one of the biggest troll jobs I've ever seen, and not in a fun way. It made The Last Jedi look like Mando S2.
And yes, I'm sure I sound like one of those R&M fans who missed the point of R&M, but I still thought that season was well below par. And keep in mind I tried to convince my buddies who I watched the show with a few years ago that I didn't think PhoenixPerson was
ever meant to be taken seriously as a plot point, and yet, here I am. (This thread is apparently now about Rick & Morty)
And besides, and perhaps most relevant, it used to be
funnier IMO.
Man, just thinking about how disappointing S4 was (and S5 is set to come out this July - yikes.) Just makes we hope that we get more Bravest Warriors in the near future (such as the cat getting his own spinoff - YAY) because that show knew how to be funny, creative in a sci-fi context AND pay off plots in a way that wasn't really cynical and passive-aggressive.
QuoteMech Avengers does look interesting. If I had a bigger budget, it would be on my pull list. But if it does come out in TPB, I wouldn't mind picking it up. And someone correct me if I'm wrong ,but didn't they do a toyline awhile back that had some of the Marvel heroes in mech suits?
Yep, unfortunately I can't remember what they were called, and I'm reasonably sure they were repurposed from other toyline (tempted to say Transformers)
Haven't seen S4 yet. Alot of shows I tend to catch the whole season on DVD and I haven't bought the set yet. (I caught S1-3 on a Black Friday sale)
The Marvel mechs I was thinking about were done by Playskool. Here's Spider-Man (https://toywiz.com/marvel-playskool-heroes-super-hero-adventures-mech-armor-spider-man-action-figure/)
[offtopic]And just a quick off topic comment. Playskool?!? Seriously, how the FRAK are you supposed to be an 'educational' toyline or whatever, and you bloody spell the name for where you go to learn wrong?? WTH man! Is this the stem of where alot of improper grammar has seeded from? Is this the root of all misspelling evil? GAH!
Sorry, sorry! It just bugs me. (heh, Spider-Man... bugs.... :rotf: And yes I kniw spiders are archnids not bugs,but I thought it was funny.)[/offtopic]
Anyways, Lego also did a few Avenger mech sets too, such as Thor. (https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/thor-mech-armour-76169)
Now you weren't wrong about Transformers either, Marvel did a crossover with them too. Here's a sample. (https://www.entertainmentearth.com/product/marvel-transformers-wave-7/hmv78443g)
So the Marvel Mech story isn't new, but I don't think any of those toys had comics. Now if they made these new mechs into toys, I'd be interested. I'd love me a Spider-Mech, or either of the Captains.
Ah, now we're getting somewhere.
QuoteHaven't seen S4 yet.
Ah, I kinda suspected. I'd be curious what you'd think after you have seen it.
As I've kinda said before elsewhere, I've learned in recent years that
any show can downslide. R&S S4 hurt more than most, because of how mighty S1-3 were, with the massive delay especially rubbing salt in the wound.
Playskool: The reason might be because it's easier to trademark if you give it a unique spelling.
QuoteNow you weren't wrong about Transformers either, Marvel did a crossover with them too. Here's a sample.
Neat. Still not what I'm thinking. Oh, how I wish I could remember the name of it.
QuoteSo the Marvel Mech story isn't new, but I don't think any of those toys had comics.
The one I'm thinking of did indeed have a comic book tie-in! :o
*Googles* FOUND IT! "Mega Morphs." Action figures made by Toy Biz. 2005, written by Sean McKeever. UDON style art.
A digital collection of it collecting the 4 issues of the comic was added to Comixology Dec 2020. I wonder which is better, this or Mech Strike? It's also on Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited. Tempted to give it a read, maybe later.
The hits keep coming from Heroes Reborn: Thunderbolts are on the loose (!) in something called "Siege Society" because Marvel hates me and wants to make it as difficult to remember the name of my books as possible. I"m going to have to write the name of this and Champions aka Young Squadron just to pull the darn things.
Paco Madina on art? I can dig it. But we got Scott Lang Ant-Man, and that's an automatic buy from me, we got Sabretooth, sure why not. We got Black Widow and Hawkeye, nice, they were in the original Busiek/Fabian run. We got "Silver Witch" a mix of Wanda and Pietro, interesting, and we got Zemo. Yep, getting it.
Not having read the book, I'm a little lost. Is this an alternate reality? Because last I know, the regular 616 Sabretooth was imprisoned on Krakoa in a deep, deep, dark, dark, deep, dark hole. (Fraggle Rock reference heh) And second question, is Songbird in it?
Back to the topic of Avengers...it doesn't feel really Elseworld-ish. Outside of prehistoric Avengers,maybe. It doesn't really mess up the continuity (It was messed up long time ago),and nobody is really out of character because nobody has a character.
And we learn who's Thors real mother (take a guess). I wasn't aware that was a mystery.
Quote from: Night Dragon on February 08, 2021, 02:01:54 PM
Not having read the book, I'm a little lost. Is this an alternate reality? Because last I know, the regular 616 Sabretooth was imprisoned on Krakoa in a deep, deep, dark, dark, deep, dark hole. (Fraggle Rock reference heh) And second question, is Songbird in it?
1. Well, it's Heroes Reborn, so yes. It's an altered reality where the Avengers never became the Avengers, resulting in the premiere heroes being the Squadron Supreme, who in this story are evil and are working for Mephisto. As a result, Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) became "Girl Power" (as in Power Princess), Mile Morales became Falcon (referencing Nighthawk) and Sam Alexander (Nova) became "Kid Spectrum").
2. It's not out yet, so we don't know for sure, but I'd guess no. These aren't the T-Bolts we know with their history intact. So as much as I'm happy Scott Lang is in it, it's not the Scott Lang I know (so Cassie Lang as a superhero likely won't be in it at all).
Personally, I'm still waiting to find out what happened to Jolt. Been waiting since *checks wiki* Mid 2017. Wow, that's a long time.
Alright, get ready:
Jason Aaron's Avengers:
Avengers #39: Enter The Phoenix Prologue:
1. My local comic book guy said Aaron screwed up on the dialogue in this comic by claiming that our prehistoric Phoenix talks in anachronistic language in this comic. Except....no, she doesn't. Since he was telling me about the issue the week and day it came out, I think perhaps he was reading it while working the store and wasn't capable of giving it his full attention and got distracted, or maybe he's just not that perceptive, or thinking about what he read enough, because she only speaks in two methods in this comic - past-tense narration to an unidentified listener (possibly the reader) and telepathically linked (with the person forming the link acknowledging this is what is happening)
"I didn't understand his mind-sounds. I didn't understand even the idea of words. But somehow I could feel his meaning [...]"
Like, they explained it in the comic.
2. Prehistoric mutants. Umm, maybe I'm being overly literal here, or unreasonably harsh because it's Aaron's Avengers run and nothing in this makes sense and the Prehistoric Avengers stuff is boring as heck, but mutants have been repeatedly said to be the NEXT stage of humanity. So how can they be the next stage of humanity if they exist alongside humanity at the prehistoric stage?
3. I take it back. Prehistoric Phoenix is not Red Sonja. Red Sonja is far more interesting than this. Probably any part of that IP.
4. Was this Highwalker guy supposed to be prehistoric Prof. X? Because if so, that really highlights why this prehistoric Avengers thing is dumb and doesn't make any sense. (though in this case it would be prehistoric X-Men, which is fine I suppose, since Wolverine just got brought into this goofy story, but he was an Avenger for several years, so). The interesting thing about Charles is his character, not his powers. There are several X-Men characters with telepathy, so what makes them interesting characters is their personality, history and relationships with other characters. Which is why this whole thing is dumb and dreadfully dull.
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Avengers #40 Enter The Phoenix Part One:
Or as I like to call it: POOR MAN's KOMBAAAAT!!!
Gotta admit, Phoenix Cap does look kinda cool in the comic itself. Which reminds me of another snarky comment I made at the comic book shop when discussing this run. They can make so many toys based on this one run.
"I can do this all day." What else is there to say except "I understood that reference."
*Steve Rogers, minus Super Soldier serum, as Phoenix* Sure, why not.
Doom: "I see. You will not LET him die. Like the hero in some American cinematic FAIRY TALE, the Captain will keep rising again and again from my savage assaults."
Doom's a DCEU man, isn't he? Is that you under that helmet, Snyder? Are you going to tell me I'm living in a dream world?
Apparently Cap thinks victory is like, among other things, "everyone making it back to base for cold beers." Does Cap like beer? I never really thought of it. I know from the first movie that at the very least the movie version can't get drunk, but that might not be true for the comic version.
Narration: There are no winners here.
Me: There certainly aren't.
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Enter the Phoenix spoils She-Hulk's new status quo, as seen in Empyre and/or The Empyre: Aftermath She-Hulk one-shot, so I won't be reading any more for now until I'm caught up in Empyre, so back to Champions: Outlawed:
#1. Justice shows up to capture some of the kids. However, the writer uses his history (he accidentally killed his father with his powers, and, like Abe Jenkins aka Beetle aka Mach, decided to let justice take its course by serving his prison sentence, hence the name) to inform his decision to fall in with the government, so I'm giving his role in this a pass.
Also, Viv's alive, yay!
#2 (part of it, haven't finished it). I like that they also mentioned New X-Men character Wither having a similar backstory to Justice, nice touch considering the X-Men have rarely had much to do with the Civil War storylines.
Also from the original New Warriors run, Timeslip is in this, as a government lackey. Neat, but I'm choosing on reserving judgement on this one because so I don't know if this is in character or not, because 1. I haven't read a lot of NW with her in it, and 2. I don't particularly remember the issues I have read
Also this miniseries was heavily delayed, resulting with a second artist taking over for half of #2 and all of #3. In addition to that, a new creative team will be taking over the final issue to get it out on time, then taking over for a new ongoing in April. Apparently there was going to be a 6th issue, but now it will end with #5. The most recent issue released is #3 and #4 is set to release next week.
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In other news, look like I spoke too soon about Secret Defenders, as yesterday they announced a new Defenders book with the new Masked Raider (oh, so that's where he's popping up next) and Doctor Strange picking characters from tarot cards. On the cards on the cover you can see Hulk, Silver Surfer, Namor, Beast, the original Valkyrie, Hellstrom, Moondragon and what I have to assume is Red Raven.
Also Deadpool is celebrating the 30th Anniversary with a special one-shot called "The Nerdy 30" With a "murderer's row" of returning Deadpool creators:
* Joe Kelly and Geraldo Sandoval
* Scottie Young
* Kelly Thompson and Kevin Lebranda
* Gail Simone
* Daniel Way and Paco Medina
* Gerry Dugan/Brian Posahn and Scott Koblish
* Rob Liefeld writing and drawing
I'm getting it. ^_^ I got the wedding special a few years ago, which is very much the same thing, and I really liked it. Characters such as Copycat (Vanessa), Garrison Kane, Outlaw, Agent X, Sandy, and Rhino appeared in stories in that, by the creators who wrote them in their runs on DP.
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1. My local comic book guy said Aaron screwed up on the dialogue in this comic by claiming that our prehistoric Phoenix talks in anachronic language in this comic. Except....no, she doesn't. Since he was telling me about the issue the week and day it came out, I think perhaps he was reading it while working the store and wasn't capable of giving it his full attention and got distracted, or maybe he's just not that perceptive, or thinking about what he read enough, because she only speaks in two methods in this comic - past-tense narration to an unidentified listener (possibly the reader) and telepathically linked (with the person forming the link acknowledging this is what is happening)
"I didn't understand his mind-sounds. I didn't understand even the idea of words. But somehow I could feel his meaning [...]"
Like, they explained it in the comic.
Man, they keep changing the rules of telepathy. In older issues of X-Men, they make comments that Prof. X and Jean can mind-speak to anyone, despite the language barrier. That telepathy acts like the ultimate universal translator. A couple examples from all the way back to 'Giant Sized X-Men#1' (yeah,
wayyyy back) Prof. X's telepathy was how he 'spoke' to Colossus and Nightcrawler. Both didn't speak English at first an this was how Xavier communicated with them. Plus, later in the same issue, he did an 'info-dump' into the non-English speaking mutants of the English language so they were able to speak and understand the language.
And A Space God/Goddess couldn't do this just as easily. :rolleyes:
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2. Prehistoric mutants. Umm, maybe I'm being overly literal here, or unreasonably harsh because it's Aaron's Avengers run and nothing in this makes sense and the Prehistoric Avengers stuff is boring as heck, but mutants have been repeatedly said to be the NEXT stage of humanity. So how can they be the next stage of humanity if they exist alongside humanity at the prehistoric stage?
Oy Vey! No. Just no. Shock, you're right, and IIRC, Apocalypse is supposed to be the oldest known mutant in the MCU. (Namor was Marvel's first published mutant, but in the timeline, En Sabah Nur was the first.) Hell, his name literally means 'The First one'!
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Doom's a DCEU man, isn't he? Is that you under that helmet, Snyder? Are you going to tell me I'm living in a dream world?
Synder is not cool enough to be Doom! Only Doom possesses the appropriate amount of "the cool" to be DOOM! All lesser "jabronies" bow before the coolness of DOOM! Doom's sparring partner 'The Rock' taught him this.
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Apparently Cap thinks victory is like, among other things, "everyone making it back to base for cold beers." Does Cap like beer? I never really thought of it. I know from the first movie that at the very least the movie version can't get drunk, but that might not be true for the comic version.
Yes, yes he can. Comics Cap can indeed imbibe the brew. As seen HERE (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWUOO7XU8AkE9mi?format=jpg&name=large) from the opening of Captain American #269, Capt, Falcon, and Capt's neighbor, Josh Cooper, all get sloshed. (Granted it's sangrias and not beer.) I think the immunity to alcohol might have came from Ultimate Captain America. And, hell knowing Marvel now, might be part of 616 Capt. now.
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Narration: There are no winners here.
Including the readers.
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Also Deadpool is celebrating the 30th Anniversary with a special one-shot called "The Nerdy 30" With a "murderer's row" of returning Deadpool creators:
* Joe Kelly and Geraldo Sandoval
* Scottie Young
* Kelly Thompson and Kevin Lebranda
* Gail Simone
* Daniel Way and Paco Medina
* Gerry Dugan/Brian Posahn and Scott Koblish
* Rob Liefeld writing and drawing
I'm getting it. ^_^ I got the wedding special a few years ago, which is very much the same thing, and I really liked it. Characters such as Copycat (Vanessa), Garrison Kane, Outlaw, Agent X, Sandy, and Rhino appeared in stories in that, by the creators who wrote them in their runs on DP.
No Fabian Nicieza? He is the co-creator after all. He may not be the one who installed the humor DP is known for, but he's one of the guys who brought him to the party. But still, I'm all for some non-serious DP hi-jinks. (Marvel needs to turn their collective Angst dial
down from 11.)
Quote from: Night Dragon on February 10, 2021, 04:19:53 PM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on February 10, 2021, 11:57:04 AM
1. My local comic book guy said Aaron screwed up on the dialogue in this comic by claiming that our prehistoric Phoenix talks in anachronic language in this comic. Except....no, she doesn't. Since he was telling me about the issue the week and day it came out, I think perhaps he was reading it while working the store and wasn't capable of giving it his full attention and got distracted, or maybe he's just not that perceptive, or thinking about what he read enough, because she only speaks in two methods in this comic - past-tense narration to an unidentified listener (possibly the reader) and telepathically linked (with the person forming the link acknowledging this is what is happening)
"I didn't understand his mind-sounds. I didn't understand even the idea of words. But somehow I could feel his meaning [...]"
Like, they explained it in the comic.
Man, they keep changing the rules of telepathy. In older issues of X-Men, they make comments that Prof. X and Jean can mind-speak to anyone, despite the language barrier. That telepathy acts like the ultimate universal translator. A couple examples from all the way back to 'Giant Sized X-Men#1' (yeah, wayyyy back) Prof. X's telepathy was how he 'spoke' to Colossus and Nightcrawler. Both didn't speak English at first an this was how Xavier communicated with them. Plus, later in the same issue, he did an 'info-dump' into the non-English speaking mutants of the English language so they were able to speak and understand the language.
And A Space God/Goddess couldn't do this just as easily. :rolleyes:
It's been many years since I checked back in on those old Claremont-era X-Men comics (and I'm still reading my way through the 60's run - it's not exactly Marvel OR X-Men at its best IMO, so it's a bit hard to get through - don't get me started on Magneto's astral projection or his plan to "make" an army of mutants) but I do remember in the movies, when Xavier came back to life (in the post credit scene of X3 in a different body). This wasn't spelled out in The Wolverine, (as I understand it was explained in the novelization) but in the post credit scene of that movie he shows up still looking like Patrick Stewart, and the idea is he uses his telepathy to make himself appear as Xavier to the other characters.
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2. Prehistoric mutants. Umm, maybe I'm being overly literal here, or unreasonably harsh because it's Aaron's Avengers run and nothing in this makes sense and the Prehistoric Avengers stuff is boring as heck, but mutants have been repeatedly said to be the NEXT stage of humanity. So how can they be the next stage of humanity if they exist alongside humanity at the prehistoric stage?
Oy Vey! No. Just no. Shock, you're right, and IIRC, Apocalypse is supposed to be the oldest known mutant in the MCU. (Namor was Marvel's first published mutant, but in the timeline, En Sabah Nur was the first.) Hell, his name literally means 'The First one'!
Now they never outright said they were mutants, but it was pretty clear that's they there supposed to be. I mean, it was a psychic helping out a younger red-headed female with the Phoenix powers.
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Doom's a DCEU man, isn't he? Is that you under that helmet, Snyder? Are you going to tell me I'm living in a dream world?
QuoteSynder is not cool enough to be Doom! Only Doom possesses the appropriate amount of "the cool" to be DOOM! All lesser "jabronies" bow before the coolness of DOOM! Doom's sparring partner 'The Rock' taught him this.
This run is.....not exactly Doom's most impressive outing. It's not his worst, but it's not exactly John Byrne's run or anything like that.
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Apparently Cap thinks victory is like, among other things, "everyone making it back to base for cold beers." Does Cap like beer? I never really thought of it. I know from the first movie that at the very least the movie version can't get drunk, but that might not be true for the comic version.
Yes, yes he can. Comics Cap can indeed imbibe the brew. As seen HERE (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWUOO7XU8AkE9mi?format=jpg&name=large) from the opening of Captain American #269, Capt, Falcon, and Capt's neighbor, Josh Cooper, all get sloshed. (Granted it's sangrias and not beer.) I think the immunity to alcohol might have came from Ultimate Captain America. And, hell knowing Marvel now, might be part of 616 Capt. now.
My knowledge of Cap's own books from the 60's to the late 90's is very limited, but I'm not remotely surprised that the comics do indeed show Cap getting drunk. And indeed, this line doesn't contradict it, it instead leans into it, I can definitely see Cap having a drink with his war buddies to celebrate, and if anyone could be trusted to drink responsibly, it's Cap.
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Narration: There are no winners here.
Including the readers.
That was what I was getting at there, yes.
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No Fabian Nicieza? He is the co-creator after all. He may not be the one who installed the humor DP is known for, but he's one of the guys who brought him to the party. But still, I'm all for some non-serious DP hi-jinks. (Marvel needs to turn their collective Angst dial down from 11.)
The lack of Fabian is a disappointment, (he's probably my second favorite DP writer after Simone; Cable & DP wasn't a perfect book, but it was definitely a fun one) but they are releasing creative teams info as they go, so it's possible he'll be in there when it's released, and if nothing else, he is busy writing Juggernaut and the "true" story of the third Summers Brother.
Quote(Marvel needs to turn their collective Angst dial down from 11.)
Yeah, probably, and I got Empyre (which I know has at least 1 notable death in it - I don't know who yet, but I have a guess) and one more issue of Champions: Outlawed to read (with more coming starting next week) to read through, so they'll be plenty more melodrama of dodgy quality for me to roast going forward (without even getting into the last few years of X-Men comics at that! :o )
Haven't read DP since Spider-Man/DP came out - so another big milestone DP comic could be just the fun palate cleanser the doctor ordered (Just as long as it's not Doctor Bong)
Finished Champions: Outlawed #3 and am thus caught up to the book until #4 releases this week.
Book's getting better by degrees. Speedball, Timeslip and Silouette are in it, as is Jake Oh from Agents of Atlas (he was also War Machine at one point), Viv helping the "pro-registration" side is strangely not explained, despite being mined for character work. I have a sneaking suspicion Sam Alexander Nova is out of character in this, but I don't feel up to looking through his older appearances to double check. Sam gives a speech to Kamala about how the older generation of heroes ("Iron Man, Spider-Man, Captain Marvel and the Nova Corps") are the only reason they're superheroes now, which seems a lot like foreshadowing to the upcoming Young Squadron book.
In a move that's particularly lazy on the part of the writer, There's a lady in the series representing Cradle who is never once identified by name, causing me to have to hit up the Wiki, because it wouldn't be a modern Marvel comic without me having to hit up the fan wiki to follow the plot because they can't be bothered to include the relevant details in the book itself despite every book having a recap page. The character is apparently Carolina Washington, who was featured exclusively in the Shattered Heroes issues of Bendis' Avengers (I read those issues years ago, but I didn't remember the character) Another character featured heavily in this storyline is Starling, the granddaugther of Adrian Tooms aka Vulture, who apparently debuted in Miles Morales: Spider-Man. Near the end of the book, the heroes are holding out in a treehouse at the home of a new character named Jesse who Kamala met through the Champions message board (yes really), who is then threatened with jail time by Washington despite being a minor, because, according to her, the house belongs to Jesse's parents, and not him, and therefore doesn't count as private property. Um, ok.
And then, the issue ends with Sam, Miles and Kamala about to make what is presented as a heroic final stand against....a handful of non-powered government soldiers with guns and jetpacks, and for some reason we're meant to believe that Nova alone couldn't wipe the floor with these guys in about 2 minutes. But never mind that, because the issue ends with a hum-dinger of a twist. The Champions are assisted by....
Cyclops, whose time-displaced teenage self used to be on the team. He also arrives with Young X-Men Dust, who is also a member of the Champions. Well played indeed. Considering all the times Cyclops has been an utter twit in the last ten years or so, this actually does a lot for his image in my book.
Over in Amazing Spider-Man:
Spoiler
Kingpin has assembled a team of baaaad guys....including the still-disembodied cyborg head of Silvermane. Good ol' Nick Spencer. The Lifeline Tablet is also a part of the plot again, and it seems Boomerang will be in the story again. Tombstone is also in the group, and considering Randy is dating his daughter, it looks like a Superior Foes reunion is once again in the works.
Between Ravencroft, Thunderbolt and this,Kingpin assembled a lot of bad guy teams lately.
Kingpin's assembling some.....top men.
Who?
TOP. MEN.
In other news, The Heroes Return tie-ins are one-shots. I'm glad. It would have been a bit much otherwise, especially since the main book is coming out weekly.
Also, spinning out of Outlawed, a Reptil miniseries?
I saw a comment online that says "Who asked for this?" And I'm thinking "I don't know if anyone did, but it is kinda neat."
And also he's not green for some reason like he was in that brief cameo in Bendis' Iron Man, so that's cool.
The preview pages look decent, and you can see the Avengers Acadamy kids in flashback material so that's fun. Haven't decided if I'm going to pick this up, so I'll wait for now and figure it out.
Ok, here's something else. It's the stupidest, most trivial thing ever, but we're comic nerds, Power Pack is back in the comics and darn it this frustrates the ever loving crap out of me.
How the hell does teenage superheroes aging work?
Kitty Pryde's an adult. Every single New Mutant is an adult. Jubilee's a single mom, and I did research while I was writing this and Kamala Khan was introduced as 15 in 2013 and is now 17 in 2019's Magnificent Ms. Marvel, which is nonsense of the highest order because Cassie Lang was introduced in 1979 and was "15....in June" in Young Avengers #2 in 2005, and she's 15 in Ant-Man #1 in 2015.
Like what the actual crap? Cassie Lang was introduced a good decade or so before I was even born, and she was introduced before Jubilee and Tim Drake were, and she was 14 8 years before Kamala was introduced and Kamala aged faster than she did. She wasn't dead for that long!
Avengers #43 So Black Panther has vibranium teeth? Like,why? 🤣
Other Phoenix-related stuff happens, but I can't get over this. Oh yeah,Thor talk with his mother and Jane steals jokes from Big Bang Theory. 🙄
Avengers Mech Strike #2 Okay,the Mech Suits are not as cool as I was led to believe and the characters are a bit off but it has
Spoiler
Kang
. That helps a lot.
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Avengers Mech Strike #2 Okay,the Mech Suits are not as cool as I was led to believe and the characters are a bit off but it has Spoiler
Kang
You have my curiosity. I may have to look into this.
Here's a quick, curious comic roundup:
Amazing Spider-Man:
Because Spencer is taking a page from the Jason Aaron page of writing, where having a 3 year + gig means you can drag a running plot down to hell and back again:
Spoiler
Mephisto's back and he's got some explaining to do about Peter Parker's magically damaged soul....
Oh snap, are they going there?
Next issue is a wacky storyline about Boomerang and the little space critter. Had me excited for a minute.
Non-Stop Spider-Man:
Spoiler
Baron Zemo of all people is the villain in this, and he is so bizarrely out of character in this story by Joe Kelly I'm half-convinced it's Deadpool or some other imposter under the mask. He literally says the phrase "I can't even" and has two other lines in the backup story he appears in that seem to indicate he's been on social media a lot. Including one line "they have drip" I had to look up (apparently it means a sense of style and fashion sense).
And lastly, Deadpool 30th Anniversary (which I haven't actually finished):
QuoteNo Fabian Nicieza? He is the co-creator after all. He may not be the one who installed the humor DP is known for, but he's one of the guys who brought him to the party. But still, I'm all for some non-serious DP hi-jinks. (Marvel needs to turn their collective Angst dial down from 11.)
It's my pleasure to confirm that Fabian and Patrick Zircher have a story in this book, with Fabian's story revisiting Wade's time in Weapon X and Zircher exaggerating Wade's skin condition to what has to be the most extreme it's ever been. He looks like Swamp Thing if he was made out of maggots.
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Also Gail Simone's story featured Agent X, which made me quite happy.
A Cable-centric story also featured a smorgasbord of Cable designs from across the characters' history. "Soldier X" even made it in. Another story namedropped Vanessa aka Copycat.
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And lastly, Deadpool 30th Anniversary (which I haven't actually finished):
It's my pleasure to confirm that Fabian and Patrick Zircher have a story in this book, with Fabian's story revisiting Wade's time in Weapon X and Zircher exaggerating Wade's skin condition to what has to be the most extreme it's ever been. He looks like Swamp Thing if he was made out of maggots.
You forgot the biggest thing in the whole book. It only took 30+ years, but Levi-Boy finally learned basic anatomy.... and how to properly draw feet. :shock2: It actually seemed his section was done to contradict his naysayers by showing what is shockingly good art work. (Oh I have such a bad taste in my mouth, but truth is truth)
Now excuse me, I need to go rinse my mouth out with bleach.
Ben Affleck: No, bullcrap! Because I hadn't turned to that part ha-ha!
Yeah, it IS an improvement, it's some of Liefeld's best work (but let's be honest, part of the reason, as often is the case, is the colorist) but I've noticed a subtle improvement in the feet area for years, and some of it is....still not the greatest.
It still amuses me to no end that the feet joke actually made it into Deadpool 2, meaning mainstream audiences might actually know that the person who created Deadpool, Domino and Cable was known for an inability to draw feet.
But hey, Paco Medina learned how to draw noses somewhere around 2006, and Bachalo just got out a book with only one inker (admittedly, Non-Stop was delayed by almost a year, but oh well). #progress.
ASM #61 where Spider-Man gets relegated to a supporting character in his own title. Because Boomerang is about to throw down with Kingpin (he even remembers to parody Batmans speech) and Tombstone finds out his daughter is dating Randy Robbinson. I hope you all remember Superior Foes and Conways run on Spider-Man. Otherwise,this wouldn't make any sense.
Anyway,Im fine with all of this,but can we finally wrap up the Kindred thing?
I haven't even finished it, but this issue is definitely not a highlight.
On a related note, the letters page included in the previous issue had a nice variety of comments, some positive, some negative, and yes, Spider-Man getting relegated to a supporting character in his own title did come up. And Slott's run came up in the positive. Yeah, cuz Slott didn't do 30+ issues of Spider-Man replaced by a terrorist and have Pete standing around with his hands in his pockets for most of Spider-Verse while everyone told him he's "important" or whatever the phrasing was.
QuoteAnyway,Im fine with all of this,but can we finally wrap up the Kindred thing?
Some runs (Zub's T-Bolts, DNA's Guardians/Nova content, Yost's Scarlet Spider) end so abruptly they don't actually get to resolve their plots and characters and they just disappear without a trace for years. (Never forget poor Jolt)
And then you have Aaron's Avengers and Spencer's Spidey where they go on for over 3 years and they just drag out stories until they start to get annoying (though at least Aaron's Avengers is fun in a so-bad-it's-good way).
Somewhere in the middle lies the sweet spot. And you know, more consistently decent writing helps.
So anyway, here's my long delayed thoughts on Champions: Outlawed #4! :P (I haven't read #5 yet)
Ms. Marvel gets lectured about "doomscrolling" (which as I understand it, means being addicted to reading bad news and upsetting comments on social media). Whatever else I have to say about this mini, Eve Ewing gets all the praise in the multiverse for that, because it's actually a really good idea. I have no idea if that came up in her own book, but that was a good moment. Probably be better if it wasn't the Sam Alexander Nova giving the speech. I'm reasonably sure he's out of character in this book (I have been reading his content from the start, after all), but there's a
slight possibility I'm getting him mixed up with the smug jerk from the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon?
Also Cycops is actually a nice guy, and not a tool, and that's nice and refreshing. And I am not going to ask why Shadowcat is now Captain Harlock minus the eyepatch (or if you prefer, Corsair from the Starjammers). Also Attuma shows up to cause trouble because there's no escaping Jason Aaron's Avengers. And the art is very noticeably rushed in spots to get this issue out in time (I took a look at the first two pages of #5 and it seems to be better).
Anyway, issue #3 had a letters page, and one person who wrote in had this to say:
"How about including some of the Avengers Academy generation from ten years ago here? And if we're talking young Avengers - not those ones -- then how about using Silverclaw or Triathalon/3-D Man? Those are some of the shortest tenured Avengers in history, natch -- but are they really that bad? Rage ended up with the New Warriors, right?"
The response from the writer herself was simply a joke about the book being packed with characters.
Of course I can relate. There's a lot of characters like that I wish would show up more. Nevar forget poor Jolt. And are Silverclaw and Triathalon/3-D Man that bad? They are not. No worse than some of the newer characters, and better than some. if you can't get content out of Jarvis' foster daughter, then you're just not interested in trying. And once again,
Reptil has a new mini coming out.
Im reading Alan Davis' Excalibur. Great art,even if I never really got into Excalibur. And I can always go for some Technet. I think they were last seen in a Rocket Racoon mini.
I think I've only read the opening graphic novel or one-shot or whatever. In a world of X-Men spinoffs, Excalibur was certainly unique. And Claremont got to indulge in some of his more wacky and strange elements.
Amazing Spider-man 63- so hes literately looking at memes of himself. Tune in next time to see Spider-man check his Kiwi Farms thread?
Avengers- So
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Echo
is now Phoenix. Because...random? I mean,this is the comic where Black Panther has vibranium grills,so probably best not to apply logic to it.
Avengers Mech Strike- Oh look,its's
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Thanos
. Great. I could be reading Grendel Devils Odyssey #5 instead of this.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on April 15, 2021, 03:32:49 PM
Avengers Mech Strike- Oh look,its's Spoiler
Thanos
You got me beat. I haven't even look at any of the interiors of that book.
Spider-Man's pretty dopey at the moment. After this they're doing a big arc about the Chamelion. Not sure what to think about that but oh well.
Heroes Reborn is almost out. I don't know whether to be looking forward to it or dreading it.
Right,the one where they replaced everyone with parodies of Justice League. By Jason Aaron. That can only end in good.
Darkhawk: The Heart of the Hawk: The 30th Anniversary special
I've been looking forward to this for months. The original creative team doing a classic era story, plus Abnett and Divito doing a modern style story. So good.
Mike Manley art...I was never the biggest fan of it, and I'm not here, but the sheer novelty of him and Danny Fingeroth returning to the character is too nifty to ignore. I'll admit, I don't especially remember some of the characters popping up in Fingeroth's story - it's been years since I read the original Darkhawk series - but I didn't feel too punished for it.
Didn't even realize Abnett returning to the character would be an opportunity to make up for the dropped plots from Realm of Kings (which WERE already picked up in the post-Bendis GotG stuff, mind). It's nice.
And that ending?!
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They KILL OFF Dawkhawk in his own 30th anniversary special?!
I'll say this, having him reflect on his accomplishments with a sense of pride....it's a better death than some characters have gotten, but it leaves me with a unsettling sense of melancholy.
And the Amulet flies off like a GL ring to find a new host, with the end of the book promising a new Dark Hark comic. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm uneasy as how to feel about it. Nova worked out all right. I like both Sam and Rich and they're both in the books these days. I guess I'll just have to stay open minded and see what I think of it when it comes out.
I did have the ending spoiled just a bit before I read the book, and that's frustrating in the moment, but it's still an enjoyable book and it's nice to see how the plot shakes out in the actual book.
Is the King in black event still going? I feel like Avengers aftermath issue kinda misses the timing. Which involves Echo and Ghost Rider bonding over being on fire and Blade becoming the sheriff of the vampire country. Never change,Aaron.
And I guess Sinister War is the big Spiderman event of the summer.
I mean to do a comics roundup in the near future (ASM, Champions and maybe Empyre, which I am close to wrapping up) but for now I've got this:
From the Marvel August 2021 solicitations: August 2021 is apparently the month of the miniseries:
-KANG THE CONQUEROR is getting a 4-issue miniseries, with the first issue being 40 pages, and the solicit message mentioning Kang sending advice to his "younger self" which might imply a cameo by Iron Lad from Young Avengers.
I may have to get that.
-The Winter Guard is getting the same treatment. 4 issue mini, first issue 40 pages. That's different.
-The new Defenders book is a 5 issue mini written by Al Ewing, paying off the Masked Raider plot from Marvel 1000 and 1001 and Incoming.
-The new Darkhawk book, which is a 5 issue mini by Kyle Higgens and introducing a new Darkhawk. Looks cool. I'll probably get that.
-Avengers: Tech-On, a Sentei-inspired series created in association with Bandai Namco of Japan, written by Jim Zub. Interesting.
Marvel's doing another Annihilation storyline only a year or two after the last one, "The Last Annihilation" (sure, and "Final Crisis" was the Final storyline with "Crisis" in the title), running not only in Guardians of the Galaxy but also, for some reason, in Cable of all things.
Maybe Marvel has some plans for Kang,seeing he's also in Avengers Mech Strike. They could lay off Thanos for a bit,anyway.
I'm almost curious as to what will current year Marvel do with a Russian super team.
Random drop off from me here but points to Heroes Reborn: Young Squadron (2021) for the big and obscure shout-out it gave to the dime bin title Heroes Reborn: Young Allies (200). The HR: Doomsday series is one of my hidden gems so I was pleased to it.
Cool stuff. I might give more extensive thoughts on recent comics at a later time (catching up is hard right now - the current writer on Champions is so incredibly wordy he'd make Chris Claremont sweat) but I'll say for now I literally bought the old Heroes Reborn spinoff one-shots from the bargain bin years ago and enjoyed them quite a bit. Was also a fan of Sean McKeever's Young Allies series and the Onslaught mini that wrapped it. So having them get referenced in this new one is probably the most pleasant surprise I didn't see coming.
I thought immediately of Remnants partly because there's a similarity in the plot as well here. Like I said a soft spot for those complete obscurities. Power Pachyderms, X-Nation 2099, Epic Anthology, That Malibu imprint Exiles book with Juggernaut in it, so on. And that HR: Doom stuff was pretty much all obscurity so it sticks in there as well. Liked the above mentioned YA and Onslaught mini you're talking about as well. Under-rated stuff. Just when they do those clapbacks but never really say outright it's happening but if you had been there then you catch that wink of course. Makes me smirk.
So I haven't had quite the time or incentive to give the Marvel comic reviews I used to extensively write but I have chipped away at a bunch of stuff, so here's a rather short and sweet comics roundup:
Jason Aaron's Avengers:"Enter the Phoenix" was indeed goofy and so-bad-it's-good. The King In Black tie-in following that features Blade becoming the sheriff of a vampire town in Russia, in Chernobyl of something similar, ran by Dracula.
Then we get
Heroes Reborn. Which I've not finished yet. But it's basically a mix of House of M, the original Heroes Reborn and Thunderbolts. I gotta admit. I actually legit like it. It's goofy, unnecessary, derivative, played out and chock full of that Jason Aaron hubris, but it's
fun. And that's without even reading the tie-ins yet.
Champions:I don't like Lecchio's art. There's a lot of cringe banter that is called out for being groaners which means the writer gets away with it. Kamala Khan is rude and disrespectful to her own teammates, and at one point threatens to physically assault her best friend out of annoyance in what is clearly meant to be a harmless joke. At point Bombshell says she has to go to two different kinds of therapy as a result of being in a concentration camp, something that was partially Kamala's fault, and this never comes up even though Viv Vision is repeatedly wrecked with guilt for ratting her out her friends to the Feds for reasons that were never spelled out.
And yet, I don't hate it. Ironheart is one of the better characters in it, and she's used fairly well (not surprisingly, the writer of the Outlaws arc previously wrote her book)
Avengers/Fantastic Four Empyre: Empyre is about two things: Mantis' son being a villain for some reason, and Hulkling and Wiccan getting married. At one point Mr. Fantastic gets an Iron Man suit because of course the comic corner of Marvel would do that. Also Tony Stark talks about putting an "armor" (forcefield) over the Sun to keep it from being destroyed.
I liked it. :) It's not great, it runs a bit too long and has too many tie-ins (it is an event book, after all.), but of the ones I've read, and I'll admit I haven't read all of them (didn't read Original Sin, Civil War 2, War of the Realms, or King in Black, haven't read an X-Men since the Inhumans crap started), but honestly, I think it's one of the better ones. The art is decent and consistent, and that's a massive improvement on Secret Empire, which of course also had way too many tie-ins.
Less thrilled was I when Speed from the Young Avengers got downgraded to a token love interest to an X-Men character based on a throwaway joke from Gillen's YA run, turned into Bart Allen knockoff when the original writer wrote him as a loose cannon bad boy, and then finally carted his poor butt off to the X-Men books. Pretty crap for a YA fan like me.
Amazing Spider-Man: Mephisto's back, in a twist straight out of shonen manga/anime Kindred is not really Harry Osborn but some other person who or may not ALSO be Harry Osborn, it's hinted repeatedly that Spencer's run might be ending with One More Day being reversed, and Doc Ock is back with a Sinister Six.
As of the recently released first issue of Sinister War:
Spoiler
Peter's got a ring and is going to propose to Mary Jane. One of the covers for the final issue of Spencer's run has Pete and MJ happily swinging through the city. So even if the deal with Mephisto isn't reversed, the two might be getting married again anyway.
An upcoming story coming out is "The Dark Age" which was teased in, of all things, a Free Comic Book Day X-Men comic, and will be some kind of dark future scenario involving the Avengers, the FF, and, apparently, the Heroes for Hire and the Champions. It's written by Tom Taylor, who IMO is probably the most unappreciated rising star in Marvel and DC comics these days, or close to it. I'm unclear on whether it has an impact on the mainline books or is purely an elseworlds tale, and if I can I'd to decide whether to get it based on that, but we'll see.
So the guy behind the Injustice comic is doing a bad future event? I can't see that going well.
I've really gotta read that Injustice comic one of these days. Both because you've been saying it was crap, and because two of my comic book owners in my lifetime swore by it. And also animated movie coming out.
Thing you gotta remember about the Injustice comic is 1) It was a video game tie-in comic and 2) It was a 52-style series with an enormous amount of comics coming out for a long time. Its quality and the final product will stem largely from those two factors.
QuoteI've really gotta read that Injustice comic
Trust me,you don't. It's a comic that starts with Superman killing his pregnant wife and then gets way worse. Reading the inscriptions in Dagons temple would probably be better for your sanity.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on July 28, 2021, 04:20:01 AM
QuoteI've really gotta read that Injustice comic
Reading the inscriptions in Dagons temple would probably be better for your sanity.
Hahaha that was funny.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on July 28, 2021, 04:20:01 AM
QuoteI've really gotta read that Injustice comic
Trust me,you don't. It's a comic that starts with Superman killing his pregnant wife and then gets way worse. Reading the inscriptions in Dagons temple would probably be better for your sanity.
I've read Ultimatum. I can't imagine the Injustice Comic being especially worse than that.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on July 28, 2021, 06:03:33 AM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on July 28, 2021, 04:20:01 AM
QuoteI've really gotta read that Injustice comic
Trust me,you don't. It's a comic that starts with Superman killing his pregnant wife and then gets way worse. Reading the inscriptions in Dagons temple would probably be better for your sanity.
I've read Ultimatum. I can't imagine the Injustice Comic being especially worse than that.
Nightwing trips on his trucheon and breaks his neck Scary Movie style. And that's just one of the myriad of stupid, pointless character murders that happen. So yeah, it's worse then Ultimatum. It's the worse DC comic in the history of DC comics, possibly ever.
QuoteHahaha that was funny.
I see you were not around for my Lovecraft read.
Oh hello.
Has anybody been reading
Immortal Hulk much? I only found it mentioned a few times. I only started at #27 and it was weird but I quickly got sucked in. Then I had to wait a bit so I'm catching up now.
I think it's pretty cool. I'm sure everybody here knows about The One Above All, who is basically Marvel's version of the JudeoChristian God and has been portrayed as both Kirby and Stan on separate occasions.
Well, and maybe this is a spoiler:
Spoiler
Now they've got the One Below All, their devil. Cosmic rays/power might come from the one above, an gamma power from the one below. It's an interesting development.
I really like how this comic uses a bunch of Hulk history shout outs, and builds on stuff that is there to provide its own good story. I don't like a lot of serialized comics, but this one just goes for it. And they use The Leader in a great way, making up for stories where he was used poorly, in a logical, in-universe way. Excellent!
Anyhow, I think it's pretty good! Though I hope it ends with a solid conclusion.
I also randomly read through the first new
Defenders today. It was pretty cool! I'm on board for some weird magic stuff, and hopefully it delivers.
It mentions some other Marvel Universe developments that I was less enthusiastic about. Primarily... they made ANOTHER Adam Warlock? Who instantly turned on his creators in the most cliched way possible? Wow, for super scientists who can create a perfected being, they sure are dumb. (I think only one of the group was involved in making this one, but still)
The dialogue from the actual Iron Man comic this happened is quite cliche.
Anyhow, pumped for Defenders. Hope that turns out good.
Other than this I don't know what's going on in Marvel comics, ha ha ha. The first story run of the latest Exiles was okay, but a bit too fast paced.
Defenders book interests me a bit. Both because it's by Al Awing and I like him, and it's continuing the Masked Raider story from Marvel 1000, 1001 and Incoming. Never really got into the classic Defenders lineup though, so I'll likely read it down the line.
So I caught up with Amazing Spiderman. Basically every storyline starts with
X is back and ends with
well,that went nowhere. I hope Sinister War actually delivers on something here. Its going well so far,but so did every other event in this run.
Also,Peter legit says:
"Kingpin just wants to use the tablet to bring back his dead wife,it's not the end of the world". Dude,are you aware of the tropes of your own universe? Does that sound like something that's gonna end well? Thou,he actually brings back
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his son
.so like yeah,that guy existed...
Indeed. This run is often not bad per say, but it is getting a bit long in the tooth.
Sinister War is fun, just for the sheer free for all of the various villains coming to the battle royale of it all, but one part has me shrugging at it:
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The return of Sin Eater. Guy comes back from the dead, dies again, and now he's back again with a posse of the guys whose powers he stole, including Morlun, who used to be a big bad main villain all his own, and Juggernaut, who's an X-Men character who recently had his own miniseries.
In other news, She-Hulk is apparently being shipped off to the Fantastic Four books after the World War She-Hulk arc in Avengers, Spider-Man's getting a one-shot tie-in to Death of Doctor Strange, in the main book Spidey's meeting the Daughters of the Dragon.
Also Larry Hama is writing the next arc of X-Men Legends. I gotta read that book sometime.
Is She-Hulk still bulked up and thinking photographers trying to take pictures of her rear is a worse situation than what Bruce has to go through?
Last time I checked, she looked like Hulk. Because Hulk was being rebooted as a zombie or something.
Based on that Fantastic Four cover in the solicits, she's back to looking like her old self by the time that storyline comes out.
Hulk's not a zombie but he CAN come back from the dead, but so can all Gamma characters, and also... all super heroes.
The current run makes mention of it, but specifically about Gamma characters coming back, and what they see, and what is the ultimate nature of Gamma in the Marvel universe. It's a whole big thing.
She Hulk is there a little bit, and she's used pretty good, but it didn't explain why she got big now. It does use her pretty good with her mind thinking regular human thoughts but her Hulk form being unable to express them in full sentences, or with full meaning. It's pretty neat and works for the Immortal Hulk series, of which she had her own standalone Immortal She Hulk issue.
I don't know how well this storyline is working in the other comics? I tried to look at an Avengers and it just wasn't for me, ha ha.
But Jen becoming fun again and being with the FF again is always good. What is going on with them these days?
QuoteI tried to look at an Avengers and it just wasn't for me, ha ha.
As discussed earlier in the thread,Aarons run really is something special. It's the American Dad of Avenger runs.
Ha ha, well that might be why it isn't for me.
To each their own.
Reading Cable Reloaded, which is part of a crossover with Guardians of the Galaxy, and it features - I kid you not...
....a two page spread you have to turn on it's side. I'd almost think Al Ewing and/or the artist did that on purpose.
So the next event is Devils Reign (generic enough that Matt Wagner can't sue us,haha). It's about Kingpin and the NY based heroes (which is every single Marvel character, basically). It sounds like a Voltron of 3-5 previous events,but I might at least see the ASM portion of it.
Only 6 issues? That doesn't seem so bad. Looks kinda interesting.
Meanwhile, in Amazing Spider-Man:
Spoiler
Boomerang died taking a hit for Spider-Man, Doc Ock pulled a fast one on Kindred, Sins Past got retconned so that Norman never slept with or had kids with Gwen Stacy - it was a plot by Harry as the Goblin, Mysterio, and Mendel Strom that involved hypnotizing Norman and MJ, and growing test tube babies, and also Harry never came back to life, every version of Harry we've seen in this storyline is a fake.
Crazy stuff.
I'm okay enough with what they're doing in ASM in so much as resolving storylines however needed that have been known eyesores in the canon directing at OMD/OMIT/BND (looking ahead at the next ominous cover here) and SP and things that came out of it as Silver brings up. This leaves one dangling plot point by my count left.
Equally good with how Daredevil is wrapping the entire long saga now. Hoping we don't see a final issue flub like in Shadowland but given how they're doing it so far I think they'll pull this one better than that.
I honestly haven't cared about Spider-Man since the whole OMD/BND thing. But "Sins Past" never should have happened. The editor at the time should have nixed that garbage. It requires retconning to be feasible to begin with, as JMS apparently doesn't understand how time works in comics. (Gwen was only overseas for a few weeks.)
I stay with since it's a childhood standard but that's the size of it for me as well. If this is how they're bring those plots to life in order to bury them finally and move forward, if the later soliticians are any indication than more power to all the weird stuff going on now I say. And I'm with you on Sins Past as well though it goes without saying that's been a subject of great contempt here since even before the internet was big and just in magazine articles in the day. Good riddance. This is me saying as such as one whose known for giving a ton of grace to even the hacky stuff out there.
ASM revisiting Sins Past and OMD - the most unfortunate thing about it (other than that Spencer's run has been horribly dragged out and bloated with overpriced one-shots) is that it is too little too late. I haven't checked on sites that have actual people, I'll admit, but this would have blown the barn doors off a good 5+ years ago, now it's more like "Oh they finally did it? Good for them. Ben Reilly and high tech stuff again next run, sure, why not? House of Ideas, am I right?"
That oddball Legacy theme over at Marvel. I don't mind when they're rehashing the title but doing something unique with it now otherwise yeah, kind of flat. Maybe it's aimed at newer readers who hadn't picked up the old stuff, would make sense since they run ads for those TPBs in the backs of these. Otherwise I wouldn't say I'm stoked about this in it's a backward step. The every now and then need to to be unable to write Peter Parker, well I don't care for it in a book I get for that character. And if I read about Ben then I want to read about his character going forward and likewise in his own back. There's a lot there they simply did and acted like the character never went through it of course. I dunno about the 5+ year marker. Now I wanted them to tie it personally back during Spider-Island when the identity spell broke. But I know around that time people were still hot about the OMD thing and I can partly understand why they might of wanted to stay distant from it until enough time passed that the fanrage had died down. Ultimately they probably didn't want to go through a boycott again. But I feel you storywise there.
Props to Kaare Andrews on Amazing Fantasy. Real stimulating stuff. It's directly to treasury edition so I suppose it speaks for itself.
Note: Just if I can manage to head anyone off don't read the Jan. solicitations. They blow the end of Death Of Strange in one of the other solicits in the listings.
Finished Darkhold. I have to give it thumbs down. The story is almost nonexistant. The bookends contain it, the rest are just macabre versions of What Ifs. The art is inconsistent. The only worthwhile point is it resolves dangling threads between the characters of Scarlet Witch, Dr. Doom and Chthon. Things related to The Darkhold and Chthon are in the story (bookends) but it pretty scattershot and likewise inconsistant. It's like what a low budget Darkhold themed Saturday morning cartoon might have looked like. Also a very obscure character is returned to Marvel but it happens for no given reason out of the blue with no tie to the story nor is explained. I feel what happened here is the aforementioned dangling plotlines and character relationships came up in a convo somewhere but it was never worked out how to cohesively go about it and they sort of slapped together what is otherwise videogame DLC costume fodder. I could say the individual books have merits though just approaching it as a story and event (not really even that though, more a label) else it isn't a must read for anyone.
Wastelanders: Doom: I got this on a whim. I have a fancy with certain characters that are obscure enough to considered urban legends. This one happens to drop a character from the old defunct Epic (collected Epic Anthology) for only the second time now in print since the original. I won't say past that but it's a pretty cool moment for fans of that stuff.
Quote from: SickAlice on January 06, 2022, 03:59:50 AM
Finished Darkhold. I have to give it thumbs down. The story is almost nonexistant. The bookends contain it, the rest are just macabre versions of What Ifs. The art is inconsistent. The only worthwhile point is it resolves dangling threads between the characters of Scarlet Witch, Dr. Doom and Chthon. Things related to The Darkhold and Chthon are in the story (bookends) but it pretty scattershot and likewise inconsistant. It's like what a low budget Darkhold themed Saturday morning cartoon might have looked like. Also a very obscure character is returned to Marvel but it happens for no given reason out of the blue with no tie to the story nor is explained. I feel what happened here is the aforementioned dangling plotlines and character relationships came up in a convo somewhere but it was never worked out how to cohesively go about it and they sort of slapped together what is otherwise videogame DLC costume fodder. I could say the individual books have merits though just approaching it as a story and event (not really even that though, more a label) else it isn't a must read for anyone.
Wastelanders: Doom: I got this on a whim. I have a fancy with certain characters that are obscure enough to considered urban legends. This one happens to drop a character from the old defunct Epic (collected Epic Anthology) for only the second time now in print since the original. I won't say past that but it's a pretty cool moment for fans of that stuff.
Let me guess who the obscure Darkhold character is: Modred the Mystic?
Quote from: GhostMachine on January 06, 2022, 07:07:57 PM
Let me guess who the obscure Darkhold character is: Modred the Mystic?
Spoiler
https://www.marvel.com/characters/omega-the-unknown
....
They brought back a character who was not only definitively dead, but also one of the lamest characters of the era they were introduced in?
Spoilers and secrets but...
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I quite liked the 2007 version of Omega. Definitely not for everybody, but it had the feel of an indie comic and was more like the sort of thing I'm into.
I'm assuming, as was said, this is zero percent like that.
I can't say for the character. A lot of obscure characters are popping up noting a few Casey creations so there must be a fan or two working there. Also that very specific character everyone has been waiting for is confirmed now. But just in terms of rating the story and looking at the elements like story structure and all in regards to the Darkhold book it was just, well it was out of the blue but much of what happens there is. Else they introduce characters to expand the line, that's a given trope for either of the big two so I get that one. Or staging for upcoming events though that character doesn't seem to fit the events coming up so I'm not sure what's up there.
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Notable revealed returns are Aron The Watcher, The Badoon, Jack Of Hearts and Miracleman
I suppose, comic props. Final of Marauders was next to flawless writing. Devils Reign tie-in Spider-woman issue is a big surprise and speaking of other characters returning. Much of Devil's Reign has been well done so far, I expected as much as the Daredevil run was too. Hopefully it keeps that trend and doesn't go off the rails and have some oddball ending like Shadowland did.