Wolverine: Origins Film Thread

Started by The Hitman, March 11, 2009, 04:48:14 PM

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NomadX

Some of my nitpicking here...

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I really didn't like that they made Wolverine and Sabretooth brothers. Also, I don't see why they bothered to explain Wolverine's memory loss when this can't logically be in continuity with the Xmen movies. It's kind of like the Star Wars prequels, that don't really make sense when you watch the other movies.

AfghanAnt

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Quote from: daglob on May 04, 2009, 03:12:24 AM
Actually, it depends on when you ask that question. Until just a few years ago, they were add-ons. And I'm pretty sure that in his first appearence, they were just part of the costume.

And I have to say, the whole bone claw thing annoys me too. But they haven't been writing comic books for me for a long, long time...
16 years ago (X-Men 25) is not a few years ago. That is more than half of my life.


Quote from: NomadX on May 05, 2009, 05:28:21 AM
Some of my nitpicking here...

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Also, I don't see why they bothered to explain Wolverine's memory loss when this can't logically be in continuity with the Xmen movies.

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Are you sure? I remember Professor X telling Wolverine he had information on his past in X2.

danhagen

Here's my take on Wolverine: X-Men Unoriginal:
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Wolverine's father, Dr. Thomas Wayne, is murdered before his young eyes. Luckily, he drops in at the farm of the kindly Kents, but unluckily, he falls in love with Vesper Lynd. He yells at the sky, but somehow doesn't manage to turn the Earth backward
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daglob

Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 05, 2009, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: daglob on May 04, 2009, 03:12:24 AM
Actually, it depends on when you ask that question. Until just a few years ago, they were add-ons. And I'm pretty sure that in his first appearence, they were just part of the costume.

And I have to say, the whole bone claw thing annoys me too. But they haven't been writing comic books for me for a long, long time...
16 years ago (X-Men 25) is not a few years ago. That is more than half of my life.



That's funny; the X-Men 25 I got had them fighting some jerk called El Tigre. Wolverine was nowhere in sight. ;)

Blkcasanova247

More dren for the recycle bin. I hope to god that they stop making these XMen movies. I wasn't a fan of the Singer films...X3 was complete garbage IMO and this movie was just to much and to little at the same time. I really hope that they relaunch the franchise and put Wolvie to bed...hell I hope that they do that in XMen comics as well.
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Haljack

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too many inconsistances and Ryan Renolds was wasted in this film, other than that I actually enjoyed it.

Figure Fan

Quote from: danhagen on May 05, 2009, 06:37:09 PM
Here's my take on Wolverine: X-Men Unoriginal:
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Wolverine's father, Dr. Thomas Wayne, is murdered before his young eyes. Luckily, he drops in at the farm of the kindly Kents, but unluckily, he falls in love with Vesper Lynd. He yells at the sky, but somehow doesn't manage to turn the Earth backward


And this..is absolutely hilarious. True, even..

Regardless of when Wolverine's ret-cons occurred, it doesn't change the fact that this movie was generally poor (and unnecessary), and that it was not 'ret-conned' out of our history.

Star

I didn't mind the film. It was clearly an action film targeted at teens, the largest possible audience. Thus Wolverine's complex history was streamlined into something simple, and the film wasn't particularly violent either ... I mean, do we ever see Sabretooth slash someone with his claws?

It was also pretty clearly set in the "movie" continuinity, not the comics. Those expecting it to contain 30-plus year of Wolvey history and not tie into the films would have been disappointed.

I was suprised at how good Will.i.am was as Wraith. Same with Schrieber as Victor. Hell, even Gambit was decent, aside from his disappearing accent.

People complain about Wolverine not being as character-driven or cerebral as X-Men 1 and 2 but, let's face it, Wolverine is an action-based character and this wasn't an ensemble film.

I'm glad the film was a financial success and I'll be interested to see how/what they do with Wolverine 2.

steamteck

Just got back from it. I really enjoyed it. I thought Sabretooth was 1000% cooler and I loved the brothers thing. I will note I am not a Deadpool fan or Gambit fan so I don't know how they translated. I would have rather have heard Reynolds mouth through the last fight though.
I figure modern comic continuity is screwed up anyway. The movie continuity was certainly good enough for me. Most seeming gaffs were cleaned up pretty nicely and Sabretooth was sooo much better didn't bother me.

murs47

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EDIT: Whoops, didn't see there was another thread for this. :banghead:

Ares_God_of_War

I have never been a big fan of the X-men movies in general - X2 was definately the best one by far - but I will go out on a limb and say this was #2 in that line - Renolds as Wade was awesome - Sabertooth was played better than  honestly expected him to be. Even for all the crappy things done in this movie its still far from the worst marvel movie made so far.
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TheMarvell

I just saw the film a few days ago, and I'm honestly surprised at the positive reaction to this movie, even if most of it is reserved. This movie is without a doubt one of Marvels lower quality films, while not as bad as something like Elektra, it was definitely along the lines of the Fantastic Four movies (both of which I liked more than this film, but that's besides the point) and/or Ghost Rider. I was really expecting a lot more bashing in this thread.

It was a disappointment to me. I didn't think it looked very good from the start, but I remained hopeful and open minded. Really what made this movie pretty crappy to me was just how inconsistent it was with the X-Men films, and also from just standard crappy movie-making decisions. There were a lot of pointless scenes, and a lot of really cheesy scenes too. Does Wolverine always have to look directly in the sky and yell "Nooooo!" when someone dies that he didn't want to? And what was with that added Stryker scene during the credits? "You are wanted for the death of whatever forgettable character Stryker killed". Was this some sort of lead-in to a sequel? If so, it was incredibly poor.

The main thing positive, if the only thing, about this movie, was Hugh Jackman's dedication to the character. He's still awesome as Wolverine and you can tell he loves playing the part. The only other part that I liked was Gambit, except for the fact that his fight scene in that alley way was really poorly choreographed and just wasn't very exciting.

I liked Sabertooth, but he was a completely different character here than he was in X-Men 1, and they never said his name once. Deadpool was ok, but completely under used, plus, that ending was really bad. And don't get me started on the Blob or Will.I.Am (of which, I'm still baffled as to why they casted him). Ugh. Blob reminded me of Fat ambiguously foreborn from Austin Powers. Completely goofy and unnecessary.

I want Bryan Singer back.

Figure Fan

Quote from: TheMarvell on May 08, 2009, 09:41:26 PM

I want Bryan Singer back.

Ditto. Loved the first two films and their thought-provoking nature.

JeyNyce

Quote from: Figure Fan on May 08, 2009, 10:46:08 PM
Quote from: TheMarvell on May 08, 2009, 09:41:26 PM

I want Bryan Singer back.

Ditto. Loved the first two films and their thought-provoking nature.

I don't know...some of his last movies weren't the best, and do you really think they'll let him back after what he did with Supes?
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TheMarvell

his last two movies were Superman Returns and Valkyrie, right? While I didn't care for Supes, I thought Valkyrie was an enjoyable film. And yes, I think if Singer was brought back, he could bring the series back to being good. However, I'm sure the studio is still not forgiving Singer for backing out of X-Men 3 (which I actually enjoyed, but still wish Singer would have done it).

Oh well.

After watching Wolverine, I thought to myself "why didn't they just make X-Men 4?" Seriously, there were enough cameos and other pointless characters it might as well have been. There should have been way fewer characters that had much more impact on, you know, Wolverine...

MJB

Took the whole family to see this earlier tonight. We all loved it. Very fun flick.

Sometimes you have to step back and just enjoy a movie. Nit picking and comparing it to other flicks will just drive you batty. ;)


BWPS

Quote from: MJB on May 09, 2009, 05:44:52 AM
Took the whole family to see this earlier tonight. We all loved it. Very fun flick.

Sometimes you have to step back and just enjoy a movie. Nit picking and comparing it to other flicks will just drive you batty. ;)



I really enjoyed everything about the movie until the end, and tried not nitpick or compare the movie characters to the comic/cartoon counterparts. I felt awful because I went with my little brother and he loved it and I started bitching at the end for no reason like I was trying to ruin everyone's time. WHY CAN'T I JUST BE HAPPY?!

But COME ON, he was
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typing in what he wanted "Deadpool" to do at the end like it was Zork. Why would he possibly install that control method? So stupid.
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thalaw2

Quote from: BWPS on May 09, 2009, 05:49:08 AM
Quote from: MJB on May 09, 2009, 05:44:52 AM
Took the whole family to see this earlier tonight. We all loved it. Very fun flick.

Sometimes you have to step back and just enjoy a movie. Nit picking and comparing it to other flicks will just drive you batty. ;)



I really enjoyed everything about the movie until the end, and tried not nitpick or compare the movie characters to the comic/cartoon counterparts. I felt awful because I went with my little brother and he loved it and I started bitching at the end for no reason like I was trying to ruin everyone's time. WHY CAN'T I JUST BE HAPPY?!

But COME ON, he was
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typing in what he wanted "Deadpool" to do at the end like it was Zork. Why would he possibly install that control method? So stupid.

He was getting his SMS on.  Sending quick SMS is popular these days.  haha!
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AncientSpirit

Saw it and enjoyed it.    A LOT better than X-Man 3.

The brother thing didn't bother me; I actually liked it.   The naming of the Blob was well done and funny -- but I have to agree that they made him look a little too much like "Fat ambiguously foreborn" from the Austin Powers film. 

The only thing I missed was not seeing Stan Lee somewhere in the film?    Was he there and I just missed him?  Or do you suppose he chose not to be there because he didn't create this story, as he has all the other origin films?

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MJB

AFAIK Stan doesn't appear in movies when he didn't create the main character. I seem to remember him saying that at one point. *shrugs*

Figure Fan

That review pretty much sums it up. Haha..loves it.

I guess I just have no mercy for bad flicks that shouldn't even be made anyway. Give me well-crafted, thought-provoking material, or at least a brave shot at a genuinely unique film, and I'll pay for the ticket and give kind words. Otherwise, soz.

Reepicheep

I'm on the same train of thought as Figure Fan. If I don't feel intellectually or emotionally challenged by a film, I struggle to enjoy it. Predictability is a pretty massive no-no for me too. Same reason I don't like most marvel films.

Also. Hugh Jackman. Not a fan.

Figure Fan

Quote from: Reepicheep on May 11, 2009, 07:41:41 PM
I'm on the same train of thought as Figure Fan. If I don't feel intellectually or emotionally challenged by a film, I struggle to enjoy it. Predictability is a pretty massive no-no for me too. Same reason I don't like most marvel films.

Also. Hugh Jackman. Not a fan.

See, I'm not a Jackman fan either, but X2 really brought out the best in the Wolverine character. In fact, X2 was one of the few Marvel films to really bring something weighty to the table in terms of theme and undertones. I never cared that there wasn't an excessive amount of action in it, either. There was a good amount, and it was story-driven. Jean's death was genuinely moving, to the point where I got really choked up in the theater. Heck, even X-men had some great material in it, especially between Professor X and Magneto. X3..had the whole 10 minutes or so in Jean's childhood home that was fantastic.

daglob

I actually enjoyed it. However, I had already read most of he comments in this thread, and knew what to expect... or NOT to expect.

steamteck

Quote from: Figure Fan on May 08, 2009, 10:46:08 PM
Quote from: TheMarvell on May 08, 2009, 09:41:26 PM

I want Bryan Singer back.

Ditto. Loved the first two films and their thought-provoking nature.


See their "thought provoking nature" to me was the very predictable message I tolerated to enjoy the  characters themselves. Nothing new there. The character interaction was good though which I really enjoyed.  I guess we want and see different things in films. I will admit their message was less ham handed and more mythic than most.

GrizzlyBearTalon

I liked it.

Meh I can wipe my butt with thought-provoking to be honest. Who cares? Guys in tights? Super powers? You want thought provoking?!?

BWAHAhahaha!

Thought provoking Wolverine? Seriously... wolverine?

I'm sorry I've been reading this whole thread and laughing myself silly.

He fought stuff, there were explosions and most of the silly plot was actually fairly solid for a hollywood film. I was entertained. I seriously think it sounds like some of you sit around writing sonnets and quoting Shakespeare while discussing the finer points of 16th century poetry. I am more than able to enjoy a simple super hero action flick which is what this was.

Good movie.