Wolverine: Origins Film Thread

[Figure Fan]

I liked it.

Meh I can wipe my butt with thought-provoking to be honest. Who cares? Guys in tights? Super powers? You want thought provoking?!?

BWAHAhahaha!

Watchmen did it. The book did it better, but the movie did well enough with it. *shrugs*

[MJB]

I think the point Grizz is trying to make is that it's Wolverine... not Alan Moore's Watchmen.

[GrizzlyBearTalon]

I think the point Grizz is trying to make is that it's Wolverine... not Alan Moore's Watchmen.

Pretty much.

My point stands!

I liked it.

Meh I can wipe my butt with thought-provoking to be honest. Who cares? Guys in tights? Super powers? You want thought provoking?!?

BWAHAhahaha!

Watchmen did it. The book did it better, but the movie did well enough with it. *shrugs*

Also about Watchmen, boy that sure outsold Wolverine tickets at the theater didn't it? Ah wait...

It didn't!

Watchmen clocks in at around 180 million, Wolverine clocks in at 210 million. Hrm... what does that say? We don't care if it is thought provoking, we all just want to be entertained. Any extra stuff be it violence, sex. comedy or "thought-provokingness" is simply extra.

Do you feel you have to justify your nerdy/geeky hobbies by deriding anything that is simply fun & violent? Me I can just enjoy stuff.

To quote Patton Oswalt, "I just love the stuff I love"

[Figure Fan]

I think the point Grizz is trying to make is that it's Wolverine... not Alan Moore's Watchmen.

True, but Wolverine is and has been an incredibly deep character that could be more eloquently explored within a film, especially one of his own. Keep the violence, definitely. Just give me something more substantial to chew on after the claws are done slicing and dicing. Otherwise, save it.

The material is there. It really is. They just need to think about what makes it worthwhile.

[Figure Fan]

I think the point Grizz is trying to make is that it's Wolverine... not Alan Moore's Watchmen.

Pretty much.

My point stands!

I liked it.

Meh I can wipe my butt with thought-provoking to be honest. Who cares? Guys in tights? Super powers? You want thought provoking?!?

BWAHAhahaha!

Watchmen did it. The book did it better, but the movie did well enough with it. *shrugs*

Also about Watchmen, boy that sure outsold Wolverine tickets at the theater didn't it? Ah wait...

It didn't!

Watchmen clocks in at around 180 million, Wolverine clocks in at 210 million. Hrm... what does that say? We don't care if it is thought provoking, we all just want to be entertained. Any extra stuff be it violence, sex. comedy or "thought-provokingness" is simply extra.

Do you feel you have to justify your nerdy/geeky hobbies by deriding anything that is simply fun & violent? Me I can just enjoy stuff.

To quote Patton Oswalt, "I just love the stuff I love"

Actually..your point doesn't stand.

A lot of the really worthwhile films don't make a lot of money at the box office. Ticket sales are meaningless, as the only thing they can prove in this case is that a poor movie made a lot of money. The quality of the movie is what counts, and people will flock in droves to see terrible movies. The general populace isn't the smartest or most sophisticated bunch. According to the "ticket sale model", Titanic is the best movie in history? Doubt it. I've seen plenty of better movies. Anyway..

My nerdy hobbies? No. I just deride crappy material, and Wolverine was a stinker. I loved X-Men and X2, though. Of the comic book movies, they were some of the more worthwhile ones to watch. I guess..I like movies that you can talk about after and analyze, regardless of what it was adapted from or what genre it is. I don't really read comic books anymore, and will freely admit that most current comic books today, well, suck. I'm not the only one. Even some of the older ones were kind of stupid.

Still, it's no excuse to make a movie like Wolverine lackluster. Even as an action movie that doesn't attempt to challenge a single nerve cluster in your brain, it was pretty bad. Soz.

[Tomato]

I guess I disagree with both of you to an extent... Wolverine definitely should be an action oriented character, but If you're going the route of an action fest (which I didn't feel this necessarily was) at least make the writing reflect that.

Spoiler

We got what, 30 seconds of what could have been a cool Wolverine/Gambit fight before Sabertooth came in? If you're going to make gambit useless in the story and fail utterly to define him, at LEAST give me a fleshed out fight scene with him, grah!

Instead, what we got was really neither one, it didn't focus enough on action to be completely an action movie, and it didn't focus on the story enough to be really interesting.

Don't get me wrong though, I liked the movie... wasn't as great as X2 or anything, but it was good. It just wasn't enough to satisfy me on either side of the fence.

[Silver Shocker]

Oh I definitely agree that Wolverine wasn't as good as the first two X-Men films.  The first one? I originally didn't like it, I still don't, but there are certain things I did and still like, certain action sequences, casting choices, individual scenes. I LOVED X2. It's a movie I can watch multiple times without getting sick of it. For me it hit many good notes. X3 is like X1 to me, not good as a whole, but there were certain ideas, characters, casting choices, ect (ie Beast) that I liked. And all three of them are films I've watched more than once and will likely watch again in the future. Wolverine? I saw it once, enjoyed it for what it was, and don't really have any desire to see it again.

I'd heard the old joke that Wolverine was really the fourth Wolverine film after the first three X-Men films, and it's pretty much true. But you know what? I liked the use of Wolverine in the X-Men films. He played off the other characters well, he was interesting, he showed a soft side to contrast his "brooding loner" exterior, and he had some amusing lines. Most of these were not there or greatly reduced in the Wolverine film. That's why I think the X-Men films (well, at least the first two) were better than this recent film.

As for sales, yeah, I definitely don't agree that sales determine what makes it as a worthwhile movie and what doesn't.  I thought Watchman was way better than Wolverine. Thought-provoking? Well, look at the Watchmen movie, it had a couple of action scenes, and the ones that it had were heavily extended from the graphic novel version. So I think you can definitely complain that an action movie could be a little deeper, the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. I'd probably rather see it get more money, but this way at least the executives are asking "so what about Watchmen 2?" I actually look forward to the extended DVD. By contrast, I loved the film "Shoot-em-up" which was very much intended to be a over the top ridiculous action movie with little to no plot, so I can enjoy an "popcorn action movie" too.