MUA 2

Glitch Girl · August 19, 2009, 11:18:12 PM

Probably why it doesn't look like they're releasing a PC version, they know you guys can come up with better costumes.

Actually does anyone know why Marvel ditched Raven software? They've done a pretty good job with XL, XL2, and MUA. I never heard the reason given for them not to continue the series.

captmorgan72 · August 20, 2009, 10:28:51 PM

Songbird's alt costume http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n301/captmorgan72/songbird.jpg

clownprince · August 20, 2009, 10:43:17 PM

wow thats ugly

Tomato · August 21, 2009, 07:26:41 AM

Quote from: clownprince on August 20, 2009, 10:43:17 PM
wow thats ugly

I'd write my own analysis, but this really does sum it up.

daerdevil · August 21, 2009, 01:21:04 PM

Quote from: captmorgan72 on August 19, 2009, 09:37:16 PM
Iron Fist's alt costume http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n301/captmorgan72/IronFist.jpg

IIRC, Indiana Jones shot this guy during the Cairo Bazaar fight scene. It was a classic movie moment.

Yep, this game is an also ran. I'll be buying Arkham Asylum and skipping this red headed step-child.

Glitch Girl · August 21, 2009, 02:28:59 PM

Quote from: captmorgan72 on August 20, 2009, 10:28:51 PM
Songbird's alt costume http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n301/captmorgan72/songbird.jpg

I didn't know Songbird/Screaming Mimi had a rockstar/hooker phase.

(Still wondering why Marvel ditched Raven software.)

BWPS · August 21, 2009, 03:07:08 PM

Every time someone posts a costume and says something bad about it I think Oh it can't be that bad then I click on it and its worse. Seriously, Its like they're hitting random on s ome create a character thing.

Talavar · August 21, 2009, 03:08:20 PM

Wow, a lot of negativity here over costumes. I admit, they are not good, but the proof of the game is in the playing, not looking at screen and concept shots.

Glitch Girl · August 21, 2009, 03:59:13 PM

True Talavar, but until we have some actual game play to judge, this is all we got to decide if we're gonna preorder it, buy it, wait for the bargain bin, or skip.

Let's face it, visual appeal IS a major factor in a game. Image counts, it can make or break a game. Gameplay has to be really REALLY stellar to overshadow bad graphics, though I'm not saying it can't happen.

Previsionary · August 21, 2009, 04:20:04 PM

Quote from: Glitch Girl on August 21, 2009, 03:59:13 PM
True Talavar, but until we have some actual game play to judge, this is all we got to decide if we're gonna preorder it, buy it, wait for the bargain bin, or skip.

Let's face it, visual appeal IS a major factor in a game. Image counts, it can make or break a game. Gameplay has to be really REALLY stellar to overshadow bad graphics, though I'm not saying it can't happen.

But I posted links to actual gameplay vids (live demo) and no one talked about it. Just seems all the focus thus far has been on, "eeew, bad costume," followed by, "EEEEW, worse costume!"

So, gameplay... I'm glad they moved the camera closer to the action. Improvement over XML1-MUA.

Glitch Girl · August 21, 2009, 04:48:21 PM

I'll be honest Prev, I don't consider videos like the Penance video a true gameplay video, more of a character showcase. For one thing there are a lot of fast cuts to various camera angles and closeups which I doubt will be in actual gameplay lest it completely disorient the players. I'm talking about watching a quartet of characters actually go through a part of a level they way it'll actually look. Quick cuts and editing is good for showing the character model, but are deceptive towards actual game mechanics.

EDIT: I just reread your post.. trying to find the live demo link you mentioned. May end up eding this in a moment...

murs47 · August 21, 2009, 04:51:12 PM

prev's talking about these gameplay vids

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x5ttjGvkQA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pxqLnNUv1I

Glitch Girl · August 21, 2009, 04:52:25 PM

Yeah, I just found them. Was going back to edit my post but murs beat me to it. Somehow I missed these the first time through...

Quick thoughts: Gameplay looks pretty solid what I could tell, the same squad based beat'em up my friends and I have grown to love. Lots of brekable stuff in the environment, nice. Juggernaut using a soldier like a club is further nice evolution on the grapple moves from MUA. Not 100% sold on the look yet; the screen seemed washed out (might be the video itself, not the game) and everything has a "sculpted" look to it, almost like they're made of plastic, it's kinda odd. Fusion moves look like a nice ugrade of combos from the previous game, that part I like. Swapping out characters in the fly... I'm curious about that - did he really mean that in the middle of a level, you could just pause it and suddenly make your energy drained/low health Iron Fist become full health/energy Gambit or something like that? Wonder if the "heroic deed" that flashed on the screen was an achievement or part of something in the game that unlocks some actual content. The boost system mentioned reminds me of Justice League Heroes a bit, except it seems you can swap them around more and it's for the whole team.

Tomato · August 21, 2009, 05:43:45 PM

ok, just to put my 2 cents in about the game in general...

Basically, how I feel about games right now is this: While I argue about the over-dependence on graphic software for recent games, I've done enough 3D and pixel art to realize that, at the end of the day, whatever you do has to be visually interesting. It's not like we're talking about one boss that we don't have to look at for very long... we're talking outfits we have to stare at for hours, days, or weeks. And those seemingly nit-picky things we point out are things that will be the focus of our attention when playing, instead of the games as a whole.

But even then, a good game can still overcome bad graphics (*looks at FF7*) if the story and gameplay are fun, to which I'll agree with you Talavar. But then, even on those points it has a major hurdle... because the entire game is based on the "Civil War" books, which to me were sort of... not the low point I guess, but was in my mind the beginning of the mess that is modern Marvel.

That isn't to say I don't think that story could be dealt with properly, mind you... Civil War faltered, in my mind, primarily because it wasn't written as a legitimate political divide so much as a "Tony Stark has gone evil" story. Things really got... silly afterwords though.

My only issue with the gameplay is not that it won't be good... I love MUA's play system, you have to WORK to mess it up... but with all the other issues with this game, will the changes be worth it, or am I better off waiting, and hoping this bombs so they can get back to basics again?

Talavar · August 21, 2009, 07:48:03 PM

But bad costume design does not necessarily mean bad graphics. The graphics for this look pretty good, with less than stellar costumes.

captmorgan72 · August 21, 2009, 10:14:20 PM

Guys, it just keeps getting worse. I mean am I looking at Luke Skywalker with blonde hair or what? http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n301/captmorgan72/Torch.jpg

thalaw2 · August 21, 2009, 10:28:45 PM

Gameplay looks good. I'll probably get this title because I really enjoyed the first MUA (only hated the Glactus part).

I really gotta build a new computer first though.

captmorgan72 · August 21, 2009, 10:45:34 PM

Quote from: thalaw2 on August 21, 2009, 10:28:45 PM
Gameplay looks good. I'll probably get this title because I really enjoyed the first MUA (only hated the Glactus part).

I really gotta build a new computer first though.

I don't think that MUA 2 is going to come out for the pc.

MJB · August 22, 2009, 06:22:18 AM

The MJB clan is looking forward to this game. It can not come out soon enough.

thalaw2 · August 22, 2009, 02:56:27 PM

Quote from: captmorgan72 on August 21, 2009, 10:45:34 PM
Quote from: thalaw2 on August 21, 2009, 10:28:45 PM
Gameplay looks good. I'll probably get this title because I really enjoyed the first MUA (only hated the Glactus part).

I really gotta build a new computer first though.

I don't think that MUA 2 is going to come out for the pc.

They wouldn't dare! Would they?

Talavar · August 22, 2009, 04:23:49 PM

Speaking of the gameplay, those clips look like a lot of fun. The level shown looks more open than MUA 1 (a complaint of mine was that most levels felt closterphobic), and I like the closer-in camera perspective, while still allowing you a long field of vision. In MUA1 you could zoom in close, but only at the expense of being able to see more than a foot in front of your characters.

The graphics look pretty good in action too (still not the costume design; bad costume design =/= bad graphics, remember, despite opinions voiced above). I like that at least some of the game is taking place in street & city levels. I missed that in MUA1, where every level is a fantastic environment.

captmorgan72 · August 23, 2009, 12:22:15 AM

I'm disappointed that vs mode will not be in this but the developers hinted that it could be available in DLC form later.

Courtnall6 · August 23, 2009, 03:59:08 PM

QuoteJust seems all the focus thus far has been on, "eeew, bad costume," followed by, "EEEEW, worse costume!"

Character visuals are very important to me especially in the superhero videogame genre. I absolutely hated playing the opening mission in MUA1 on the helecarrier. Forced to use Ultimate Cap, Ultimate Thor, and a T-shirt and jeans wearing Wolverine...booooooorrrrrrrriiiiiinnnnng! I had to suffer through those dull costumes until I finally unlocked the classic ones. Then I really began to enjoy the game.

If there are no classic costumes to unlock in MUA2...I have nothing to look forward to.

murs47 · August 24, 2009, 09:04:57 PM

That's frickin awesome!

Tomato · August 24, 2009, 10:23:26 PM

It's good. I'm not a huge fan of Ultimate Juggernaut's look, but that's better, I guess. Didn't much mind their regular juggernaut though.

captmorgan72 · August 24, 2009, 10:32:44 PM

Quote from: murs47 on August 24, 2009, 09:04:57 PM
That's frickin awesome!

Dang it, you beat me to it.

Courtnall6 · August 25, 2009, 12:52:11 AM

It looks like he should be fighting Mel Gibson in a Thunderdome.

captmorgan72 · August 25, 2009, 01:27:38 AM

I think this costume really reflects what Cain is and that is the physical shadow of the dark god that powers him, Cyttorak. I like it.

captmorgan72 · August 25, 2009, 10:52:32 PM

Thank god they gave us Brock http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n301/captmorgan72/venom.jpg

murs47 · August 25, 2009, 10:55:11 PM

very cool

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