I'm not a major Avengers fan, but my three choices I presented earlier were just thrown out. :P

My explanation for Ultron and Loki come from the potential of them being built up or referenced in the Thor and Ant-man movies if they are ever made. If they're even seen in cameo shots or seen in books or, in ant-man's case, being worked on, then we already have the building blocks in place for the first Avenger's level threat. Kang only came to mind since he's been a constant threat throughout the years to pretty much every avenger lineup and some of its spinoffs. But really, it depends on how the ironman/hulk movie does and how far they're able to go with this idea. I would really like if they got the comic writers to be involved since there's less of a chance for the idea to come across as uberly sloppy, but eh. This seems like the decade of risks, so it'll be interesting to see how far Marvel pushes it.

From wikipedia:

QuoteLeterrier changed the Abomination's design from the comics because he felt the audience would question why he resembled a fish or a reptile, instead of "an über-human" like the Hulk. Instead, his hideousness is derived from being injected multiple times into his skin, muscles and bones; creating a creature with a protruding spine and sharp bones that he can use to stab. His green skin is pale, and reflects light, so it appears orange because of surrounding fire during the climactic battle.

I wonder why they made the action figure brown?
Oh, and the new action figures are small.  They are probably an ok size compared to the small figures released for Spider-man 3.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on April 28, 2008, 10:51:01 AM
From wikipedia:

QuoteLeterrier changed the Abomination's design from the comics because he felt the audience would question why he resembled a fish or a reptile, instead of "an über-human" like the Hulk. Instead, his hideousness is derived from being injected multiple times into his skin, muscles and bones; creating a creature with a protruding spine and sharp bones that he can use to stab. His green skin is pale, and reflects light, so it appears orange because of surrounding fire during the climactic battle.

all well and good but i still don't see how they couldn't have updated the ears as well

Just throw finny ears on this guy and I think he'd look sweet. Nobody questions sweet stuff, either.

He did have only two toes a foot, right? Because it's sweet?

Also... I would loooove to see the Avengers fight Kang. Actually, I'd love to see them fight Ultron first, then somebody else, THEN have it turn out Kang is behind everything in the third movie. I don't know why, but I just always liked the guy.

new trailer released:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/theincrediblehulk/medium.html

Saw the new trailer before Iron Man.
I'm still a bit unsure about the new Hulk movie.  There's something about him that looks like a 3D rendered comic drawing.  However, from the trailer it looks like it might not be completely tossing out events from the first movie, as it appears he is hiding out in South America just as he was at the end of the first movie.

I remember reading an interview with the director, and they noticed the South America connection too, but the director insisted that it was just a coincidence, and that the movies really have no connection with each other at all.

There has been a fight scene (Hulk vs Emil Blonsky (pre-Abomination)) from the new film posted on MySpace.

It'll be at the first link for today (working), and probably will be at the second link afterwards, I guess. (it's giving me errors right now)
http://movies.myspace.com/

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=34758499

Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on April 28, 2008, 12:18:31 PM

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on April 28, 2008, 10:51:01 AM
From wikipedia:

QuoteLeterrier changed the Abomination's design from the comics because he felt the audience would question why he resembled a fish or a reptile, instead of "an über-human" like the Hulk. Instead, his hideousness is derived from being injected multiple times into his skin, muscles and bones; creating a creature with a protruding spine and sharp bones that he can use to stab. His green skin is pale, and reflects light, so it appears orange because of surrounding fire during the climactic battle.

all well and good but i still don't see how they couldn't have updated the ears as well

Yeah the new abomination in the new Hulk series has a modified design as well in regards to the fins on his face. They're sort of merged into his jawline and looks just like some additional spines coming out of his face instead of strange fin like reptile ears. They could have done something like that with the abomination in this movie I think considering he already has bones protruding out of his body.

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808495230/video/795013

click on street fight

Nice!

It's just not possible to have a big green fella NOT look like a cartoon.

So... he uses cars like boxing gloves? Like in the video game? Is that... cool or something?
I'd rather see him just throw it at the guy or something.

But I am still pumped to see the movie because, heck, I love the Hulk. The dumb one. Who smashes stuff and gets depressed because nobody likes him because he smashes everything.

Is it just me or does anyone else get visions of the Hulk going: "First Rule of Fight Club: Hulk say no talk about fight club"?

I'm wondering why Abomination looks like Doomsday.

See, my hopes are dashing now. The Hulk is too CGI. Just like the last one. They made Hyde look good in League of extrordinary Gentlemen, why can't they do it here. He looks like I'm watching that cgi movie with spider-man, Iron man and Hulk in it. If they could tone it down like they did with Iron Man it would be so much better. However, I did like the fight scene with Blonsky vs the Hulk.

I don't think it's possible that the Hulk could ever not look CGI.  He's just too non-realistic of a character to ever really look good in live action.

Where is Lou Ferrigno now that we really need him?  :D

Quote from: thanoson on May 28, 2008, 08:35:07 AM
See, my hopes are dashing now. The Hulk is too CGI. Just like the last one. They made Hyde look good in League of extrordinary Gentlemen, why can't they do it here.

You're not the first person I've heard (or read) make this comment.

I think part of the reason why the Hulk looks "fake" or overtly CGI to some people is because of the animation: he looks very "springy" and lithe. When we see large mammals, we don't expect them to move very fast or be light on their feet. When you see a bear, you don't expect to see it move with the grace of a cheetah (even though we know that bears can run at impressive speeds and can even outpace horses for short distances). Likewise, we all know that rhinos can run relatively fast, but we don't expect them to have the same movement lines as a gazelle when they run (or gallop or whatever it is they do). This is actually tied in with our minds' innate ability to perceive momentum and predict the motion of moving masses in space.

So when we see something as massive as the Hulk, there's the expectation that he should be a lumbering brute... not necessarily slow-moving, but there should be an implication of mass and weight, i.e., if the Hulk swings his massive and heavy fists, we expect a prominent wind-up (anticipation, or what animators call "antic") prior to the movement and some slight "over-throw" or end-of-movement correction (what animators call "settle"). The guys who animated Mr. Hyde in "League of the Extraordinary Gentlemen" did a great job of implying weight and mass in his movements, and that's probably why you remember it looking like a very good CGI portrayal of a Hulk-sized character.

From the trailers and footage I've seen, it doesn't look like the Hulk has that type of motion going on. Now, I'm sure there's a good reason for that... the Hulk is supposed to be superhumanly strong and fast, so all our preconceived notions of how a 1000 lbs. oversized human should move (if we had any) must be thrown out the window (I mean these guys are pro animators, after all... they were probably instructed to animate the Hulk as if swinging cars around and whatnot is effortless).

As catwhowalksbyhimself said, the Hulk's appearance (and his attendant abilities) are just too far out of our realm of realistic experience that he'll always look "fake" in film to a certain degree, whether he's portrayed using CGI, prosthetics, or a combination of both (and no, as much as I loved it, the 1980s Lou Ferrigno Hulk was not a "realistic" portrayal of the Hulk, it was a realistic portrayal of a champion bodybuilder covered with green body paint  :lol:).

Hmm, I guess I'm alone in thinking that CGI street fight looked incredible and tons better than the first Hulk movie. My girlfriend keeps calling Hulk "rubber man" cause she thinks the CGI is really really bad, even in this newest Hulk movie. It was a big mistake taking her with me when I saw the first Hulk movie. The first time Hulk made an appearance she started laughing out load and couldn't stop. I don't know, when I saw this street fight scene, my jaw dropped to the floor. I thought it looked very good and as realistic as you can get for the Hulk.

For the most parts, I think the animations are pretty good. That fight scene did look good, although a little too fast ala Transformers. Iron Monger pulled off bulk and speed just fine. Hyde in Van Helsing pulled it off fine as well. My main issue is with the plasticity of his skin. It looks like plastic. Or rubber if you will. I bet if you freeze framed Blonsky vs Hulk it would glare out at you. His skin just doesn't look alive or real.

 :spoiler:


[spoiler]Captain America linky[/spoiler]

couple of questions...1.) is emil subjected to a form of the super soldier serum in their first encounter.he sure is agile for a normal human.no special ops guy could pull that off.  2.) is there going to be a teaser scene at the end of the credits like in ironman? 3.) could someone post the teaser seen from ironman.i missed it.

Yes, that was revealed on attack of the show and the interview is available on their site. IIRC, he said there's no end credit scenes/teasers. Herodad, youtube is your friend.

Don't know if this was posted before, but sorry kids, no Cap in this movie.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Captain-America-Cut-Out-Of-Hulk-To-Protect-Your-Kids-9131.html

The last part of the story is my favorite.

Apparently, it's now official that Lou is the voice of the Hulk.  You can read it here, but I quote the relevant parts.

Quote
The next scene is a quick one where Banner encounters the original Hulk, Lou Ferrigno, who is still as ripped as the days he was painted in green some two plus decades ago. As it turns out, Ferrigno wound up with more than just a cameo in the new movie.

"Louis offered him on the stage of New York Comic Con to come in and do the voice," Feige says. Although most fans thought the moment was little more than a joke, Ferrigno's barritone pipes were ultimately used to voice the new Hulk.

"A few days after that he came in and recorded a few lines that, along with having been processed...Lou is now the credited voice of the Hulk... He was great at it... He'd been practicing... He lost his whole voice..."

QuoteDon't know if this was posted before, but sorry kids, no Cap in this movie.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Captain-America-Cut-Out-Of-Hulk-To-Protect-Your-Kids-9131.html

The last part of the story is my favorite.

It does say something about our society, that no one worries about kids being exposed to scarey big monsters that rip everything and everyone to streds, but add a depressing scene that might, heaven forbid, make them cry, and everyone goes out of their way to pull it.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on June 12, 2008, 08:55:34 AM

QuoteDon't know if this was posted before, but sorry kids, no Cap in this movie.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Captain-America-Cut-Out-Of-Hulk-To-Protect-Your-Kids-9131.html

The last part of the story is my favorite.

It does say something about our society, that no one worries about kids being exposed to scarey big monsters that rip everything and everyone to streds, but add a depressing scene that might, heaven forbid, make them cry, and everyone goes out of their way to pull it.

Two words:  Director's Cut

They already said it will be on the DVD, along with 70 other minutes of cut scenes.

That's right, 70 minutes!

They also claim that scene will be released online soon, but this from the same people who promised it would be in the film in the first place.