The Giant Marvel Ciematic Universe Debate Thread, Mark XVII

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Yeah, Spade, I love how in a thread about the Marvel Movie Universe to prove how bad Marvel is at making movies you bring up all the movies that aren't part of the Marvel Movie Universe and weren't made by Marvel.

As for the actual MU cast you don't like--I love every one of those choices.  They were perfect for the roles they played.

[HarryTrotter]

@Talavar:
Theatrical sucess is NOT a messure of quality.Transformers and Twilight were financial sucesses.
You named DC cast,but you couldnt name any big name in Marvel? XD
About Oscars,do you have a source or your making it up?
And read the article you quoted.
P.S. Green Lantern did Deadpool too,which was waaaay worst.

[Tomato]

@Talavar:
Theatrical success is NOT a measure of quality. Transformers and Twilight were financial successes.
You named DC cast, but you couldn't name any big name in Marvel? XD
About Oscars, do you have a source or are you making it up?
And read the article you quoted.
P.S. Green Lantern did Deadpool too, which was waaaay worse.

1. Scarlett Johansson, Samuel Jackson, Robert Redford, Anthony Hopkins.
2. Avengers, Spiderman films, Iron Man 1 and Iron Man 2.
3. Did you read the article you quoted? because that's not some grand journal of film criticism, that's just some dude blogging his opinion on the internet. Here's his blog profile:

I'm just a kid from a small town you've never heard of who loves to write. I love to write about life, I love to write about sports, I love to write about movies. I can be funny, I can be angry, I can touch you, and I can push you away. And I wanna get to know each and every one of you because you're reading this and I already love you.

Hardly Roger Ebert, that one.
P.S. Ryan was far better cast as the wise cracking Deadpool than the straightlaced, cookie cutter Hal Jordan. It's not his fault the team working on XMO didn't know what they heck they were doing with the character.

[Ares_God_of_War]

Ryan Reynolds was Wade Wilson. They had a completely different person play "Deadpool". I still believe Ryan as an awesome Wade Wilson.

[HarryTrotter]

@Tomato
Get of my case men.Are you freaking stalking me?
Did you watch Origins:Wolverine even?
They kinda messed up Deadpool.They glued his mouth and gave him every possible mutant power.And your saying that was original and faithful?

[Ares_God_of_War]

@Tomato
Get of my case men.Are you freaking stalking me?
Did you watch Origins:Wolverine even?
They kinda messed up Deadpool.They glued his mouth and gave him every possible mutant power.And your saying that was original and faithful?

Maybe not but Ryan Reynolds as just Wade Wilson when they were Team X was spot on.

[hoss20]

Its not my statement,its a quote.

A quote that you didn't bother to check for accuracy. You then want to question someone else's source of information when they dispute what you quoted. If you decide to post a quote and stand by it, you might want to mention where it came from, so that the source with the incorrect information looks foolish instead of you.

[HarryTrotter]

Its not my statement,its a quote.

A quote that you didn't bother to check for accuracy. You then want to question someone else's source of information when they dispute what you quoted. If you decide to post a quote and stand by it, you might want to mention where it came from, so that the source with the incorrect information looks foolish instead of you.

Oh,execuse me.YOUR sources are always correct.Now,how did I forget that. 

[JeyNyce]

Guys, guys, guys,

First off, thank you for starting another thread 

Second, one of the rules here is no flame wars.  I know we can get a little Fanboy-ish when it comes to our favorite heroes, but please, let do it respectfully.  If it gets out of hand or people start complaining, then the thread will be close.  Thank you.  Carry on and have fun!

[HarryTrotter]

If the Americans have superheroes,what do the British have?

[President Raygun]

If the Americans have superheroes,what do the British have?

Dr. Who

[HarryTrotter]

^Somebody probably wrote a crossover.

[XStream]

A friend and I have discussed Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool a few times. I have alway ignored Origins: Wolverine as part of the X-Men movies, but I thought Ryan Reynolds did an excellent job as Wade Wilson. What the movie did with the character was... one of the worst character interpretation of any Marvel character on film. I am hoping Sony has seen the potential of a good comic franchise if they become a little more serious about the material.

But those characters are not part of the Cinematic Universe...

I am very pleased with where the movie universe is going. So far the movies have been accessible by movie goers who do not know the source material, and have included characters and plot lines for those of us who grew up reading about the characters.

My wife was very surprised to find out about Sharon Carter's aunt and her eventual relationship with Steven Rogers. I wish they had given her a little bigger role to the story. She was just a teaser of things to come. I am surprised they did not go ahead and make the connection this film. Fanboys got it but I was surprised they didn't explain it in the end.

[Cyber Burn]

I am with the group that believes that "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" completely trashed the "Deadpool" character. What was it that everyone was calling him..."Barakapool"?

On the other hand, I admit that Ryan Reynolds was probably not the best casting choice for "Green Lantern/Hal Jordan", but he really nailed it as "Wade Wilson", no doubt about it.

[HarryTrotter]

^To bad somebody pressed the MUTE button.And gave him a bunch of random powers he never had.But JUST Wade Wilson is passable.Same can be said for Green Lantern,hes passable.

[Talavar]

"Don't feed the trolls" is good advice, and some I'm going to try and follow, but one last post on the topic for clarification.

@Talavar:
Theatrical sucess is NOT a messure of quality.Transformers and Twilight were financial sucesses.
You named DC cast,but you couldnt name any big name in Marvel? XD
About Oscars,do you have a source or your making it up?
And read the article you quoted.
P.S. Green Lantern did Deadpool too,which was waaaay worst.

Theatrical success is not a measure of quality, I agree, but it is a measure of one form of success.  I notice you don't mention the critical appraisal of Marvel vs. DC films, because any way you slice it, Marvel has been far more successful with their superhero properties than DC has with theirs.  However, since your only criteria for a good superhero movie seems to be a character you think is "kewl" already, and a big name actor which you happen to like (ignoring, as you did, all of the very famous people I listed in Marvel films, and the terrible castings that DC has done in the past), I'm rapidly losing any interest in your opinion.  As to the Oscar nominations, it's easily available information all over the internet.  Try actually researching your claims before accusing people of making things up.  I've got a link to help you: www.google.com

The article you posted is pretty much drivel that you repeated verbatim, that sums up as: "Marvel sucks because the Dark Knight is awesome."  You know what?  The Dark Knight is pretty awesome.  It's one of the best superhero films yet, and though not my favourite, it's up there.  But the 2 and a half good Batman films Chris Nolan made don't put DC on some sort of untouchable plateau, nor do they do anything to hurt all the good and great movies that Marvel's made.  Plus that article is just factually incorrect.  A commenter called the writer out on that, as I did here.

"Green Lantern did Deadpool too, which was way worst," is not the most easily understood sentence.  If I'm deciphering it correctly, you're saying that the first Wolverine movie (a film we both know Marvel didn't make themselves, so pointless to bring up as an argument against the Marvel Cinematic Universe) is much worse than Green Lantern because of Ryan Reynolds.  This helps prove the argument that no one is making, that Fox doesn't make better superhero movies than DC.  If you think casting Ryan Reynolds was the worst decision made for either of those movies however, you're dreaming.  Both were trainwrecks in countless ways.

[HarryTrotter]

^you just claimed Im wrong without providing any arguments.And you say Im trolling?Your crazy,bro.

[Talavar]

^you just claimed Im wrong without providing any arguments.And you say Im trolling?Your crazy,bro.

If English isn't your first language, I apologize, but do you know how debating works?  You posted a nonsensical, factually wrong article, I rebutted it.  You accused me of making up facts about the Oscar wins of Marvel movies, I rebutted that.  Now I don't have any arguments? 

I say you're trolling, because no matter what anyone else says on the subject, you post again and again bashing Marvel movies in comparison with DC, despite every measure you used to bash Marvel applying equally or more so to DC's films.  When people do counter all of your "arguments," you ignore those posts, or sections of posts, and accuse others of not reading yours, often with insulting language.

This is the last I'll say on the matter, because, at this point, I really think you are trolling.  Enjoy.

[BWPS]

He needs to be banned. His prolific discussion style has taken over this whole forum and he's totally aggro and nothing he says makes a lick of sense. What a nightmare.

[BentonGrey]

Apparently Mickey Rourke created a much more 3 dimensional villain in Iron Man 2, but it ended up on the cutting room floor.  Check out this interview with him.  It's mostly about Immortals, and be warned, there is a bit of language in it:
http://www.craveonline.com/film/interviews/177591-mickey-rourke-talks-immortals
I'd really love to see a director's cut of that film.

[Talavar]

Apparently Mickey Rourke created a much more 3 dimensional villain in Iron Man 2, but it ended up on the cutting room floor.  Check out this interview with him.  It's mostly about Immortals, and be warned, there is a bit of language in it:
http://www.craveonline.com/film/interviews/177591-mickey-rourke-talks-immortals
I'd really love to see a director's cut of that film.

I'd be very interested to see these cut scenes, but don't entirely trust Mickey Rourke's take on things.  At best, he's a bit different in his views and choices, and Marvel's gone on to make a series of great sequels.  What he describes as a 3 dimensional villain may have equally been a jumbled mess.  But I'd still love to see the scenes, and wonder if Iron Man 2 could have turned out stronger.

[HarryTrotter]

If I got some articles right,Avengers 2 is happening in Serbia(or an imaginary stand-in)?

[BentonGrey]

I'd be very interested to see these cut scenes, but don't entirely trust Mickey Rourke's take on things.  At best, he's a bit different in his views and choices, and Marvel's gone on to make a series of great sequels.  What he describes as a 3 dimensional villain may have equally been a jumbled mess.  But I'd still love to see the scenes, and wonder if Iron Man 2 could have turned out stronger.

My thoughts exactly.

I hadn't heard that, Spade.

[HarryTrotter]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=96605

So this is the only article I could find in english but you get the idea.

[BentonGrey]

Interesting.  I bet this has to do with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

[HarryTrotter]

What do you mean?

[spydermann93]

What do you mean?

In this universe, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch might be form Serbia.

[BentonGrey]

Indeed.  They were originally from Eastern Europe, right?  It doesn't seem like it would be much of a stretch?  They were from Transia, which is a fictional nation, similar to the real world Serbia.  I think it would work rather well.

[HarryTrotter]

That would be kinda cool.but I doubt it.
I checked Marvel wiki the other day and apparently they had some comics set in Serbia.
Thunderbolts fought Crimson Dynamos there.
Wolverine fought Winter soldier there.
Can anyone who read those comics confirm it,actually?

[hoss20]

Well, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were born on Wundagore Mountain, located in Transia. Transia is supposed to be located in-between Serbia, Romania, and Bulgaria. Being that Marvel Studios can't use the mutant angle due to licensing rights, it would be nice if they were able to keep some part of their comic origins intact.