Days of Future Past(X-Men "SECOND" Class )

[BWPS]

Spoiler

What a great ending. X3 needed to be retconned to hell even if it meant doing the same to the first two movies. That said, I was confused about when the dark future timeline occurred. The movie started out that way, but at the end of The Wolverine none of that stuff had happened, though Trask was referenced. As far as I'm concerned, this movie and First Class started in an alternate timeline to the trilogy and two wolverines, and ended in another alternate timeline. It's a mess and little effort has gone into explaining it, but at least they've made three really amazing movies in a row, I can't wait for more.

[Ares_God_of_War]

Spoiler

What a great ending. X3 needed to be retconned to hell even if it meant doing the same to the first two movies. That said, I was confused about when the dark future timeline occurred. The movie started out that way, but at the end of The Wolverine none of that stuff had happened, though Trask was referenced. As far as I'm concerned, this movie and First Class started in an alternate timeline to the trilogy and two wolverines, and ended in another alternate timeline. It's a mess and little effort has gone into explaining it, but at least they've made three really amazing movies in a row, I can't wait for more.

Spoiler

The end of The Wolverine takes place like 5 or 10 years before the future we see supposedly

[XStream]

I still haven't been able to see the movie, but my thoughts on an Age of Apocalypse movie makes me think that the new timeline will result in creating a new more bleak future where humans are hunted by mutants. So they were successful in changing the future, but it will not turn out as happy as it appears now.

Oh, and from what I have read the Wolverine at the end of this movie remembers the former timeline... sounds like in the next movie Wolverine is replacing Bishop's role. Remember in Age of Apocalypse Bishop had memories of the timeline where Charles Xavier survived. The entire four months of stories were centered around the X-Men restoring the correct timeline due to Bishops memories.

I don't think the reboot is done just yet...

[spydermann93]

I still haven't been able to see the movie, but my thoughts on an Age of Apocalypse movie makes me think that the new timeline will result in creating a new more bleak future where humans are hunted by mutants. So they were successful in changing the future, but it will not turn out as happy as it appears now.

Pretty much exactly what I am believing will happen

[Podmark]

I still haven't been able to see the movie, but my thoughts on an Age of Apocalypse movie makes me think that the new timeline will result in creating a new more bleak future where humans are hunted by mutants. So they were successful in changing the future, but it will not turn out as happy as it appears now.

Oh, and from what I have read the Wolverine at the end of this movie remembers the former timeline... sounds like in the next movie Wolverine is replacing Bishop's role. Remember in Age of Apocalypse Bishop had memories of the timeline where Charles Xavier survived. The entire four months of stories were centered around the X-Men restoring the correct timeline due to Bishops memories.

I don't think the reboot is done just yet...

I realize you haven't seen the movie soo...

Spoiler

Within the context of DoFP we actually know that the future turns out pretty good as we see Wolverine back at the school with everyone still alive and things seeming peaceful. Of course things could change.

As for Wolverine I think the way this works is:
Past Wolverine mentally replaced by future Wolverine
At a point in the film when seeing Stryker the link is damaged and Past Wolverine reasserts control briefly - he doesn't remember what Future Wolverine has done nor knows where he is
Future Wolverine takes control again and changes the future, leaves body
Past Wolverine lives out his life...
Until he is replaced by Future Wolverine, who doesn't know anything about the new time line, only remembers the original.

Which is kinda sad really. Essentially future Wolverine "killed" Past Wolverine - a man who lived a very different life.

Anyway in the following movies I would expect "young" Wolverine won't know anything about the previous timeline and have no idea about what happened in DoFP.

[Ares_God_of_War]

I really doubt they will be using Age of Apocalypse as the story line. I am more inclined to believe his first dealings with X-Factor and turning Angel to Archangel would be a better jumping point.

[HarryTrotter]

Now its called just Apocalypse.Do you think that Apocalypse(charachter) will appear?

[crimsonquill]

Now its called just Apocalypse.Do you think that Apocalypse(charachter) will appear?

Apparently you have not seen the post-credit scene.. it's kinda obvious.

Now will we get the futuristic Apocalypse in his armor (like the comics and cartoons) or will they have a more modern take using a more Egyptian theme of a Arabian God Among Men? Depends on what Singer has in mind. The '80s (the time period in which X-Men Apocalypse occurs) was the boom of the oil trading period and when Ronald Regan was worried about World War III, Terrorism, Hostage/Arms Trading, and the surge in technology which launched Silicon Valley.. so there is lots of events to tie the story around.

- CQ

[HarryTrotter]

I havent seen the movie yet.Ill probably wait for a dvd or something.
While playing X-men legends 2 I thought they should totaly made a movie set in Savage Land.Even if just for lulz.

[Tomato]

Umm... Spade? *cough*Forum Rule 3*cough*

Anway... I've heard people bring that up, but Savage Land is right up there with the Mojoverse... it was created in the X-men comics, but it really doesn't fit with the tone of the comics themselves. Besides, we know Dinosaurs have feathers now. Who here really wants to see the X-men fighting giant chickens?

[HarryTrotter]

Kidding people,just kidding.
Real dinosaurs and movie dinos are very different.But X-men meets Jurassic park would be awessome.But I dont think they could use the name Sauron now.But thats not gonna happen anyway.

[Ares_God_of_War]

Umm... Spade? *cough*Forum Rule 3*cough*

Anway... I've heard people bring that up, but Savage Land is right up there with the Mojoverse... it was created in the X-men comics, but it really doesn't fit with the tone of the comics themselves. Besides, we know Dinosaurs have feathers now. Who here really wants to see the X-men fighting giant chickens?

Can it be Beak? I'd pay to watch it.

[HarryTrotter]

Oh,yeah,was there a Stan Lee cameo?

[Tomato]

No, but they did do cameos with Chris Claremont (who wrote the original story) and Len Wein (co-creator of Wolverine). Truthfully, of all the comics he's responsible for, Stan Lee has had the least to do with the X-men.

[HarryTrotter]

But he still made cameos.

[XStream]

Pod, thanks for clarifying a few things for me.

Spoiler

I did understand that the "new" Wolverine will live his life on screen for us without knowledge of the previous timeline, but I think the whole reason "old" Wolverine wakes up in "new" Wolverine's future is to realize when the crap hits the fan it has something to do with what he did in the past. At least it would explain why "old" Wolverine woke up in "new" Wolverine's future.

I don't think we will see the Age of Apocalypse, but learn that he has been orchestrating things in the past and make a big play while "old" Wolverine is still trying to figure out what has happened to him. There will be something that connects the events of what Wolverine did in the past with Apocalypse gaining control, maybe even Sinister plays a role in connecting the dots for them. Sinister's involvement may even insure that Cyclops and Jean survive.

Of course I am just speculating. I have thought that the continuity rewrite would create the Apocalypse threat ever since Singer's tweet.[/b]

[HarryTrotter]

Strangly fitting or fittingly strange?

[Ares_God_of_War]

Strangly fitting or fittingly strange?

The size, look and presence are there but I cannot imagine The Rock's voice as that of Apocalypse. Apocalypse should have a voice that the thunder would envy.

[BentonGrey]

Strangly fitting or fittingly strange?

The size, look and presence are there but I cannot imagine The Rock's voice as that of Apocalypse. Apocalypse should have a voice that the thunder would envy.

Indeed.

[BentonGrey]

No, but they did do cameos with Chris Claremont (who wrote the original story) and Len Wein (co-creator of Wolverine). Truthfully, of all the comics he's responsible for, Stan Lee has had the least to do with the X-men.

Wait, they had cameos?  Neat!  Where?

[Tomato]

They're both among the senators present for Trask's presentation. Bryan Singer also has a cameo as the one filming Mystique in Paris.

[BentonGrey]

Cool, I didn't know that.

[thalaw2]

I just saw this movie...as in just walked across the street from the theater to my home.  It was awesome!  The story was well put together in spite of some holes.  The horror of X3 was handled very well and it seems that there is great promise for the future of the franchise.  After seeing the movie the Sentinel  designs make sense now.  I didn't find it as stimulating as Avengers, but nonetheless it was a good watch and there is plenty in the movie to please fanboys. 

Spoiler

Tricky Dicky made up some of my favorite scenes.  I couldn't stop laughing.  That guy is a great look alike.

[lugaru]

Watched the movie this weekend with my girlfriend and had a great moment at the end where she asked me to explain 'apocalypse' and I just went off a fanboy tangent. She is like 'no, dont tell me a story, make it brief'.

"Ok... imagine if Xerxes from 300 was an immortal mutant?"
"Awesome, I want to see that movie!"

I'm wondering what he will be like in the 'movie world' but I'm willing to bet given how scrips get written that he will track down powerful mutants and 'collect powers' as an explanation for him doing all sorts of things.

As for Days of Future Past, I found it to be super enjoyable and it was not too muddy despite a time travel theme. Also Beast is a major character, so that makes me super happy. Peter Dinklage as Bolivar Trask was a great villain, he was neither sadistic (I will torture mutants for fun!) nor sympathetic (mutants killed my wife!) but just purely cold and unfeeling. For sure a different kind of villain you dont see often, and really chilling.

[HarryTrotter]

^Like the paralel to Xerxes.Just Apocalyse is a little more ... Straight?

[BentonGrey]

Lu, I like your description of Trask, and you're right.  That isn't the type of villain we normally get.  I remember thinking something similar during his speech monologue before the finale.  He's a man doing something he thinks is important, and everything else pales in comparison.  It was interesting.

[thalaw2]

Trask played out as the perfect villain.  Someone who honestly thinks he is helping humanity.  It was hard to think of him as the bad guy.  This was very well done and well acted. 

Spoiler

The 70s themes were cool.  I was impressed with the 70s New York and Paris.  Too bad there wasn't much disco music or Friday Night fever, but I guess that may have come later. 

[Talavar]

Trask played out as the perfect villain.  Someone who honestly thinks he is helping humanity.  It was hard to think of him as the bad guy.  This was very well done and well acted. 

Spoiler

The 70s themes were cool.  I was impressed with the 70s New York and Paris.  Too bad there wasn't much disco music or Friday Night fever, but I guess that may have come later. 

Yeah, this was only '73, so no Saturday Night fever yet.  Disco didn't get big until the mid to late 70s.

[Cyber Burn]

Well, the original plan was to go see Captain America, I'm thinking that this is not going to happen now because the family wants to see X-Men:DOFP.

That being the case, are there any Easter Eggs I should keep my eyes out for?

[BWPS]

Well, the original plan was to go see Captain America, I'm thinking that this is not going to happen now because the family wants to see X-Men:DOFP.

That being the case, are there any Easter Eggs I should keep my eyes out for?

There's a scene after the credits. Not much else I can think of that you might miss.