The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes

[herodad1]

did anyone notice wolverines tiny cameo in the mini-sode where cap and the howling commandos attack red skulls castle? i thought he looked familiar and then cap called him "logan". 

[thanoson]

So, I'm betting that Black Widow is the one that released the prisoners. Any takers?

[Talavar]

"Everything is Wonderful" has aired, the episode introducing (an evil) Wonderman, and also featuring MODOK and AIM.  Actually, MODOK talks about being "only for conquest," so maybe that last letter in the acronym should be C.

It was another enjoyable episode, except...

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the entire plot is predicated on a bad misunderstanding - like a 'Three's Company' level misunderstanding, the sort that could have been resolved by half a line of dialogue, dialogue that easily could have been shouted over Simon's objections.

[Podmark]

I saw the episode that introduced Captain America yesterday. Really enjoyed it. I'm not sure how I feel about the combining of Helmet and Heinrich but he looked great. I love how they're seeding stories throughout all the episodes.

[Cyber Burn]

"Everything is Wonderful" has aired, the episode introducing (an evil) Wonderman, and also featuring MODOK and AIM.  Actually, MODOK talks about being "only for conquest," so maybe that last letter in the acronym should be C.

It was another enjoyable episode, except...

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the entire plot is predicated on a bad misunderstanding - like a 'Three's Company' level misunderstanding, the sort that could have been resolved by half a line of dialogue, dialogue that easily could have been shouted over Simon's objections.

Agreed...

It was a fairly decent episode, except...

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I was really hoping to see Wonder Man in action wearing the Green and Red costume.

[thanoson]

So, I liked the mini episode of Antman because of the merc that looked liked Billy Bear actor that was in predator. Then I saw it again and noticed they were all from Predator. Thought it was kinda funny.

[Previsionary]

It was another enjoyable episode, except...

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the entire plot is predicated on a bad misunderstanding - like a 'Three's Company' level misunderstanding, the sort that could have been resolved by half a line of dialogue, dialogue that easily could have been shouted over Simon's objections.

So it followed comic conventions to a T?

[Talavar]

It was another enjoyable episode, except...

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the entire plot is predicated on a bad misunderstanding - like a 'Three's Company' level misunderstanding, the sort that could have been resolved by half a line of dialogue, dialogue that easily could have been shouted over Simon's objections.

So it followed comic conventions to a T?

I can't think of a comic published in 30 years with such a weak misunderstanding as a major plot device.

[Previsionary]

Really? I can name more than a few, since that's a "team-up" stronghold and a classic motivation for early villains. In fact, I'll name one from just a few months ago. Prince of Power #2... Amadeus Cho vs. Thor. . To go back a few years ago, "Gravity" hinged on that from the very first issue. Obviously in different veins, but the "misunderstanding" aspect from "weak" allegations remains intact.

Besides, wasn't Simon irrationally mad and ignoring any and everything Tony said?

[herodad1]

or when superman beat up capt. marvel because he wouldnt stop and listen to what he had to say. ahhh, he's just jealous of cap! SHAZAM!!!!

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

"Everything is Wonderful" has aired, the episode introducing (an evil) Wonderman, and also featuring MODOK and AIM.  Actually, MODOK talks about being "only for conquest," so maybe that last letter in the acronym should be C

Actually, it looks like all show promotional and summary materials do indeed list him as MODOC.

[GhostMachine]

The Cap episode is the first episode I've watched (and the only one so far), so I've got a question:

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What's the deal with the Black Panther hiding in Avengers mansion?

I though combining both Zemos into one was an interesting idea, but I didn't like the way Cap was drawn unmasked. Specifically the cleft in his chin being drawn as a line going down his neck as well. Made it look like a scar, almost.

Will have to look out for the Wonder Man episode. Which outfit did they use, the red safari jacket one?

[Cyber Burn]

So, I'm betting that Black Widow is the one that released the prisoners. Any takers?

Yeah, I'm right there with you.

The Cap episode is the first episode I've watched (and the only one so far), so I've got a question:

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What's the deal with the Black Panther hiding in Avengers mansion?

Will have to look out for the Wonder Man episode. Which outfit did they use, the red safari jacket one?

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It hasn't been explained yet, hopefully soon.

Ionic Wonder Man.

[detourne_me]

Just watched the black panther episode.
It was excellent like always.  Good one-liners from Tony and Hank.
Although

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a little peeved how wakandan tech seems to trump everything. But I guess it's like that in the comics though, and tchalla does recognize the culture/tech split in his own country.
Also it's unfortunate we saw "freak of the week" energy monster instead of the classic Klaw.

[lugaru]

Loving the show so far... Wakanda tends to be a tricky thing to pull off but I liked how they did it. Black Panther is a really cool hero.

[Talavar]

This past week's episode was less great in my opinion.

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For instance, Black Panther insists his people hate Man-Ape, but are only following him out of respect for tradition.  However, when Black Panther challenges Man-Ape, and Man-Ape disregards tradition entirely, his bodyguards continue to follow his orders and beat on Black Panther/Cap.  Speaking of which, Cap's awesome fighting style and animation from two weeks ago is largely absent here, as two normal people (the Wakandan body guards) seem to give him a serious run for his money.

In a larger context, does Wakanda bother anyone else?  I mean, it's supposed to have really advanced technology, and that technology still manifests as spears?  Outsiders have to save the populace from their outdated political beliefs and a nearly absolute monarchy that's based on single combat?  While I like the character of Black Panther, Wakanda itself has always stuck in my craw more than a little.  Not the episode/show's fault, but it still hampers my enjoyment of the episode a little.

Next week's episode is a two-parter (though both seem to be airing on the same day) called "Gamma World."

[lugaru]

In a larger context, does Wakanda bother anyone else?  I mean, it's supposed to have really advanced technology, and that technology still manifests as spears?  Outsiders have to save the populace from their outdated political beliefs and a nearly absolute monarchy that's based on single combat?  While I like the character of Black Panther, Wakanda itself has always stuck in my craw more than a little.  Not the episode/show's fault, but it still hampers my enjoyment of the episode a little.

For me this was middle of the road... I hated wakanda in the Ultimates cartoon and loved it in the Black Panther cartoon. But yeah, I really want to see Wakanda looking like a modern african nation with science fiction weapons and inventions. Sci-fi spears and loincloths has always rubbed me the wrong way, although I love the idea of a non westernized utopia of warrior scientists.

[herodad1]

what day is gamma world airing?

[Talavar]

According to Wikipedia, Gamma World, parts 1 and 2, is airing November 26 - tomorrow.  What time, I'm not certain, as it's not the usual airdate, it's a two-parter, and it's an American holiday.

[detourne_me]

Did anyone else see Gamma World?
Another great episode in my opinion

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The inclusion of Hawkeye and Black Widow was a nice treat,  their characterizations were pretty interesting but their backstories should be fleshed out more,  probably soon in a future ep.

It was cool seeing the Ufoes and other gamma powered cameos, and Thor's maneuver with Creel was great.

Also it looks like they're going to start discrediting Tony as the leader of the team, as a number of his decisions were less than stellar.
I think this is a good way to get Cap in charge of the team.

[lugaru]

The show is really good, and gamma world was a ton of fun. Cool foes, hulked out heroes and Hawkeye as a major bad@$$.

And yeah, Thor was really cool too, and clever to boot. I hope this show is doing good in ratings so we see another season.

[tommyboy]

I like this show.
There are a few things I'd quibble about, (like Zzaxx, Creel and the Wrecking Crew being lumped in as Gamma-powered villains), but they are mostly minor details that don't ruin my enjoyment of the show.
I actually like the Panther costume tweaks, (definitely better than the "add lots of gold jewelery" version in the comics). Not quite so keen on him running along walls like Spidey, but otherwise he's well depicted.
Thor's costume I still don't especially like, but I don't hate it, either. I'm getting used to it.
Wasp's hair still irks me, but her personality and powers more than offset the dumb 'do.
Everyone looks more or less as they should, talks and acts as they should, and have the powers they should.
I hope this continues for a long time, it's good.

[Talavar]

A couple more episodes have aired, Masters of Evil and 459.

Masters of Evil deals with Baron Zemo, Enchantress and the other villains they've gathered coming after the Avengers. 

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It's another quality episode.  The Masters (never actually calling themselves the Masters of Evil, to my relief) take out the Avengers one at a time or in small groups where they can be overwhelmed, until it's up to Hawkeye and Black Panther to save the day - oh, and Ant-man, who the Masters seem to have forgotten for no good reason.  A quibble, I suppose, but I can see them overlooking Hawkeye and Black Panther because they're new to the team as well as relatively low-powered.  Neither explanation works for Hank.  Also, like some of the X-men cartoons and the first season of Justice League, the animation crew need some work on large group battles - at a couple of points it some seems like characters must just be standing around off camera.

459 introduces Captain Marvel and the Kree/Skrull War, along with Major Carol Danvers. 

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A Kree sentry robot comes to Earth to claim the planet for the Kree.  Hank and Jan try to hold it off, along with new reveal, Captain Marvel.  Marvel is much more like his Ultimate version, both in appearance and powers, than his traditional version.  With Thor, Hulk and Iron Man helping they're able to defeat the sentry bot, but its nega-bomb will still destroy life on Earth.  Marvel makes to sacrifice himself to fly it into space, but gets an assist from Thor and Iron Man so he doesn't have to.  This episode also sets things up for the Hank-Jan relationship to develop further, and for Ms. Marvel to be joining the team down the road - which I welcome, as the Avengers are a total sausage fest at the moment.

[detourne_me]

Yeah, I really enjoyed the last two episodes as well,
About Hank in the Masters Ep.

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Wasn't he still in Wakanda studying Vibranium at the time?  I thought that was the explanation why they weren't too worried about him

[Previsionary]

Correct, Det.

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They addressed the Antman situation in two scenes. Baron even said they needed to go after him, which Abomination laughed off. It was brought up again moments later when we saw that Hawkeye and Panther picked him up at the embassy and filled him in on the situation.

I don't think any new characters are joining the team. Cameos here and there maybe, but I think this is our full roster until after the 26 episode mark.

[detourne_me]

Are you sure about the roster?
It seems like last episode only the heavies were called in to help (Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man). I'd like to see a sort of rotating cast (kind of like jlu).
Also another really cool Easter egg thing about the show is the silhouettes during the opening... You can see the roster of the team changes each episode,  I think if they were to go with a rotating cast, the silhouettes would be a nice bit of fan service to tell you who will be in that ep.

We seriously need more women on the team though.  Are quicksilver and scarlet witch off limits(because they are mutants, and still under Fox' licensing)?

[Previsionary]

Keyword: "Think."

I don't believe we're at a point where they can constantly switch around characters in and out. They still need to flesh out the ones we have on the team already, and I definitely don't think season 1 (the first 26 episodes) is a good place to be overwhelming the viewer. From a fan perspective that may be cool, but as a regular viewer (and especially one that may have no idea about the comics) that may be too much. The team is pretty big as is at 8 main leads, no? Hence, the cameo (and guest-starring) statement.

The title screen does actually rotate depending on which characters are involved in the story.

I think a good comparison piece would be "Super Hero Squad," which featured an all male main team in season 1, but constantly featured guest stars when the need arose.

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver have both appeared in hero squad, and Wanda is actually a main character in the second season of that show, having replaced Silver Surfer. I'm sure she can be used if they have a story in mind for her as Marvel Animation now owns the rights.

[Podmark]

Yost said somewhere that they now have access to the X-Men (specifically Wolverine and the X-Men) and Wolverine already cameoed, so Wanda and Pietro should be possible.

[Mystik]

secret invasion begins

[Talavar]

I'm surprised that they're going with a storyline like 'Secret Invasion' this early in their version of the Marvel Universe - it's something that doesn't have as much impact when the characters potentially replaced by alien duplicates are ones we've just met, and haven't had time to do much that might be damaging.  Given last week's episode, I think it highly likely this will tie in to the Kree-Skrull War, and the doppleganger elements will be downplayed compared to the comic's version of the storyline.