The old Human Torch is the new Captain America

[Glitch Girl]

If that's the "modern" version, it's better than I expected (then again, my expectations were REALLY low for the modern uniform).  I am hoping that the WWII one will be like the Ultimates WWII one, but considering some of the horrors I envisioned for the modern costume, I can live with this. 

[deano_ue]

See what realism brings to comics kids...horrible costume designs! Yay!

Yet another swing and a miss from Hollywood here. These boys are waaaay behind on the count. It always amazes me when they bury a character in body armour that relies on speed and agility in combat. Plus all those awesome pouches that he'll never use.

It looks like they might get the shield right...I guess that's something.

lol, mate you're getting predictable. I knew you would tear it a new one once i seen it. I do agree with you they have went overboard with the designs but the base concept for me works.

it maintains the look of cap but seems like something i solider would wear, well apart from the multiple ridges and pouches

[Talavar]

Eh, it could be way worse.  Basically, it looks like Cap minus head wings.  Some of the minutiae might be off, but it could be so much worse.  http://bluemoviereviews.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/cap-a.jpg

[BlueBard]

Eh, it could be way worse.  Basically, it looks like Cap minus head wings.  Some of the minutiae might be off, but it could be so much worse.  http://bluemoviereviews.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/cap-a.jpg

You just HAD to dig that one up, didn't you?

[Courtnall6]

See what realism brings to comics kids...horrible costume designs! Yay!

Yet another swing and a miss from Hollywood here. These boys are waaaay behind on the count. It always amazes me when they bury a character in body armour that relies on speed and agility in combat. Plus all those awesome pouches that he'll never use.

It looks like they might get the shield right...I guess that's something.

lol, mate you're getting predictable. I knew you would tear it a new one once i seen it. I do agree with you they have went overboard with the designs but the base concept for me works.

it maintains the look of cap but seems like something i solider would wear, well apart from the multiple ridges and pouches

Don't blame me...blame the clueless producers, directors, writers, and designers. No headwings means automatic fail.

[docdelorean88]

A friend told me that he had read somewhere that even though in the initial concept art there are no head wings, that they still intend to have them. I'll see if i can get a link.

[captmorgan72]

I kinda like it, but just kinda. Definitely agree with Courtnall6, no headwings on Cap means auto fail. They easily could of had the wings painted on the helmet at least. The shoulder armor is completely unnecessary and impractical. The red suspenders are for what exactly? To hold up his pants? To secure the unnecessary and impractical shoulder armor?

Take away the shoulder armor and suspenders. Give him red stripes down his torso. Color his boots and gloves red. Paint wings on his helmet and then the costume will be acceptable. 

[GhostMachine]

Looks:

1. Way too modern to be believable as an outfit he'd have in WW2.

and

2. Too *string of words not printable here* much like Ultimate Cap. Put the head wings on (actual head wings, not painted on the side of the helmet), lose the rig and straps and the red circle with white star from the shoulders and add proper stripes to the shirt, then color the gloves and boots red, and I could live with it.

One thing I hate about movie adaptations of comics is the need to provide an explanation when it comes to costumes. Over at Byrne Robotics a while back, I came up and explanation for the head wings (that I'd hate to see be used in the comics): Make them out of sharpened metal, and explain that they're for defensive purposes, not just costume design. If someone strikes him with a weapon in that part of the head, the wings will block some of the damage, and if someone throws a punch and it lands on one of the head wings, they're going to end up with their hand sliced open.

[Previsionary]

*continuously understands why most people outside the fandom think comic fans are too critical and stuck on their interpretations*

I don't get it. You'd be fine with metal wings that cut skin and add their own restrictions just because you want to see the wings there? Isn't that moving away from what Cap is just to have a visual element you enjoy from the comic? Also, I'd like to think most people would notice those things on his head in their inflexible form and not aim for it... and if they did, it'd also run a high chance of hurting Cap... which goes against your point of them being a defensive tool.

I also don't really get the Ultimate hate. People should be glad artists already provided some more "realistic" Cap gear for the movie designers to get ahold of and manipulate. Imagine what could have transpired if they weren't there? Do we remember how the earlier Cap movie costumes came out? Exactly. I, myself, never fully understood why the army thought it was a good idea for Cap to run around in bright colors other than being a giant distraction for the unmodified soldiers, which makes sense to a degree... except Cap commonly went on espionage missions periodically.

[Courtnall6]

I just want damn headwings on Captain America. You know, like the ones he's been wearing for about 70 years now. I'm insane I know.

People should be glad artists already provided some more "realistic" Cap gear for the movie designers to get ahold of and manipulate. Imagine what could have transpired if they weren't there? Do we remember how the earlier Cap movie costumes came out? Exactly.

Please Prev. You're not really going to use horribly low budget costume designs as a reason why they can't make movie Cap look like comicbook Cap? I wonder if they even tried to make it work on this film...or just went straight to the sad standard "All super-heroes wear body armour now! Thanks Tim Burton! You've shown us the error of our ways! Super-Heroes in anything other than molded plate armour equals lame!"

I, myself, never fully understood why the army thought it was a good idea for Cap to run around in bright colors other than being a giant distraction for the unmodified soldiers, which makes sense to a degree... except Cap commonly went on espionage missions periodically.

The moment you try to reason that...is the moment you out grow super-hero comics.

[Previsionary]

Wait, wait, wait... I grew out of comics because I applied logic to a situation... but yet I still review them most every week... but you didn't despite throwing harsh criticism their way every chance you get. Let's not be silly. Next you'll be telling me Luke Cage originally wore a costume and not street clothing of his time period.

[Velocity]

I don't know. I think it looks alright. I think the reason there are no headwings is because they just couldn't do them without it looking too doofy, too unrealistic. That's one of a reasons why I hated the Adam West Batman show growing up, everything just looked so floppy and silly. Would I like to see the headwings? Of course I would. But if you can't do them so they look good, don't do them at all.

[KRnut82]

It sucks!  Looks too modern and reminds me waaaaaaay too much of Ultimate Cap. It actually churned my stomach.

GAAAAH! Why can't Hollywood get costumes right?! 

[murs47]

They aren't going to make movie cap look like comic cap because the general population thinks comic cap is lame looking. An average movie watcher isn't going to cough up 10 bucks if they think the main character looks dumb. Making $ > pleasing a small fraction of the targeted audience.

As much as I love Cap, I will admit he is Marvel's lamest looking iconic character.

[Ares_God_of_War]

I think the original thor costume looks a bit lamer than Cap

[BentonGrey]

They aren't going to make movie cap look like comic cap because the general population thinks comic cap is lame looking. An average movie watcher isn't going to cough up 10 bucks if they think the main character looks dumb. Making $ > pleasing a small fraction of the targeted audience.

As much as I love Cap, I will admit he is Marvel's lamest looking iconic character.

What do you base this on?  Most people I know who know who he is don't have any particularly strong thoughts on his appearance.  In fact, judging from conversations we've had about this upcoming movie, the regard him simply as a comic book character, and they accept his costume because of what he is.  Could it be made to work in real life?  Yeah, I think there are certainly iconic looking versions that could. 

I think that the general population (almost always) is more capable of suspending disbelief than Hollywood imagines.  I mean, people are intentionally going to see comic book movies these days, DESPITE the fact that we've been told for years that comic books are silly and only appropriate for children.  The populous has proven very accepting of the current spate of movies, including heroes who wear tights and things that are sillier than a super soldier in brightly colored chainmail armor designed to draw fire from the rest of the troops.

[murs47]

I don't have graphs and pie charts but based on current trends it's pretty obvious. Also, a movie studio like any other major business is going to conduct research to help gauge public reaction to a potential product. There's too much money on the line for that NOT to happen. Do I know the results of the research? No. Is it publicly available? No. And, from my own personal experience: Everyone I know that has commented on Cap's design, has said he looks "stupid." Keep in mind I'm the only person among my family and friends that reads comics. So, take that information how you want.

Personally, I could care less which version is used. I define Captain America by his fictional actions and beliefs, not his costume.

[Podmark]

Have any of the recent movies used a mostly accurate classic costume? Can't think of any off the top of my head.

[Courtnall6]

Wait, wait, wait... I grew out of comics because I applied logic to a situation... but yet I still review them most every week... but you didn't despite throwing harsh criticism their way every chance you get. Let's not be silly. Next you'll be telling me Luke Cage originally wore a costume and not street clothing of his time period.

I have outgrown them. I don't read modern super-hero comics. Not because I couldn't enjoy them on some nostalgic level...but because they cater to the shrinking ageing fan base(The characters must age with me! They must have lives that now reflect mine! Everything must be explained to exact detail! It all must make sense to my now logical mind!") and the characters I once loved have suffered greatly for it. I still am a huge fan of the genre...but they are not producing anything I have any interest in reading.

[Previsionary]

Er... even those old comics had some sense of logic to them, so you can't really use that as a "modern" thing. That's a "writing" thing. Writers learn that; It's what they're taught. They had more leeway because of their nature, sure, but creators really didn't get off on destroying their own logical grounding. Heck, even the best fiction adheres to some form of logic, so that's not even an argument I can take seriously, but to each their own.

And I'd even venture out to say they're several companies out there, Marvel included, that still produce books you'd be interested in. Whether or not you go looking for them is on your end. Marvel had a whole line based on the classic setting and even ventured out and created minis for fans of the Classic X-men, Avengers, and etc. They're lesser known companies out there that enjoy putting out those stories. The last Spider-man annual relied on the silver age setting... so again, blanket statement not cutting it for me.

Ironically, I think the things you're trying to pin on the Modern age are actually staples of the golden and silver age. I can recall several upon several panels during those eras where the majority of actions were spelled out to me verbatim et litteratim. "Why was Human Torch able to boil out of this containment cell full of water? Why was Captain America able to hit all these things with his shield? Why did Thor lose his footing? Well... this is why: Caption full of wordy text." Things are a little more ambiguous these days. Besides, characters have always been reflective of the time. Saying they're not when we're talking about Captain America is kinda strange, no? But really, if you've the time or the interest, I'd implore you to go through those letter pages again and see, just like today, people thrived on things making "logical" sense within the barriers of established fiction and liked getting explanations and seeing their theories verified. The "No Prize" was created for a reason.

Back on topic, I just don't see the point of going crazy because something as minute as wings are missing. I think other elements of the costume are way more important, but in the end, if I can recognize what they're going for and can still identify the character, then I don't see the reasoning behind getting hung up on every detail not being translated. They're not making this movie for just "us."

[detourne_me]

Have any of the recent movies used a mostly accurate classic costume? Can't think of any off the top of my head.

ledger's joker maybe?
Kick-arse of course but that's not really a classic.
Spidermans was true to form and sandman was pretty much dead on.

I actually like these concepts. I think the suspenders would be good for parachute straps.   Better for a WW2 era cap. The design looks really modern though. My main complaint is the bulky shoulder pads.
I believe they could justify headwings as radio antennae.
Especially if they were more streamlined art deco styled wings

[GhostMachine]

Have any of the recent movies used a mostly accurate classic costume? Can't think of any off the top of my head.

ledger's joker maybe?
Kick-arse of course but that's not really a classic.
Spidermans was true to form and sandman was pretty much dead on.

I actually like these concepts. I think the suspenders would be good for parachute straps.   Better for a WW2 era cap. The design looks really modern though. My main complaint is the bulky shoulder pads.
I believe they could justify headwings as radio antennae.
Especially if they were more streamlined art deco styled wings

Two-Face was more accurate than the Joker in TDK.

[Podmark]

Yeah Spider-Man, that should have come straight to mind. The only thing about Spidey is that he always wears that costume. 616, Ultimate, all the cartoons - they don't really mess with Spidey's look in anything significant. Superman is pretty much the same way.

Sandman was surprising accurate, and Doc Ock was pretty much prefect save for the fact he didn't wear a costume. I wonder if the new Spidey movies will go in the other direction.

[herodad1]

caps costume is a product of the times.back in the 40's superheroes were a new concept.clothing designs were flamboyant.they went more for a look than practicality and function.also in the beginning,because he was the only one he was never meant to fight.they made him a symbol that traveled around the U.S inspiring our people and our troops.he stepped up at times to put down evil when it reared up.when he went full into fighting in the war his costume was a well known symbol that everyone at the time recognized.even today he's the same symbol everyone recognizes.the head wings are a minor thing.i like them myself because they're as much a part of him as his shield.

[BWPS]

(thought I posted this)
I think it's perfect. Possibly the best thing they could've come up with. It's true enough to the original, it doesn't look stupid and terrible like The Ultimates costume, it looks AWESOME. I really don't know who was expecting him to wear cloth or spandex with wings on his hood. Don't get me wrong, Captain America is my current favorite comic book, but I really don't know how they were going to keep that costume in a movie. They nailed it, this movie is going to be so awesome.

[captmorgan72]

Sorry, but this just looks so much better.

[Podmark]

Yeah I gotta admit that look near perfect in my book, captmorgan72.

[BentonGrey]

Yeah, I really think the scale-mail would have been great.

[Tawodi Osdi]

I like the scale mail also, but I'm not sure what kind material they could use to make it.  Metal would probably get prohibitively metal and plastic or rubber would probably be too obviously fake.

[captmorgan72]

I like the scale mail also, but I'm not sure what kind material they could use to make it.  Metal would probably get prohibitively metal and plastic or rubber would probably be too obviously fake.

I would make the scale mail out of Kevlar.