MUA 2

[JeyNyce]

New Video online:

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=8053

Looks like we're going with the Civil War story line.  It would be so cool if World War Hulk is a playable character.

[electro]

Seems my worries of this being another clone of there former games but, with better graphics is now completly gone away - The gameplay looks very new & refreshing & the camera seems to be down in the action a bit which is a good thing - That Thor sceen in the video blew me away - He actually looked really powerfull & deadly - I probably won't use him thow because i'll have Daredevil & Luke Cage at my disposal - Having uber super powers like flight, force fields & mega laser beams that destroy whole planets is great & all but,  I like my Heroes down in the streets breaking jaws & knee's with there bare hands - In fact i hope theres an Achievement for the 360 version for 1000 Haymakers

[BentonGrey]

It's pretty....and the gameplay (what I could see of it) looks nice....but the fact that they are using that storyline REALLY hurts my interest in the game.  If it gets really good reviews and the story is handled really well, I might still pick it up, but it isn't very likely.

[lugaru]

It's pretty....and the gameplay (what I could see of it) looks nice....but the fact that they are using that storyline REALLY hurts my interest in the game.  If it gets really good reviews and the story is handled really well, I might still pick it up, but it isn't very likely.

If it is any consolation you have to admit it is a better storyline for a videogame than it was for a comic.   

And I agree with Electro, I'm huge on street level heroes and Daredevil in particular.

[BentonGrey]

Haha, that may be true, Lu.   I really wish that DC would get on the ball and make a game like this.  JLH was just so weak in comparison. 

[TheMarvell]

I'm looking forward to this, but I have to admit that I'm less than thrilled about the graphical look of the game. Are the graphics in that trailer in-game or prerendered cutscenes? Because if those were the cutscenes, then they look damn awful and a huge downgrade from MUA1's cutscenes, which were incredible, especially for a PS2 game. I hope this is just some sort of mock up trailer or something. If it's in-game, then that's more understandable, but I'm still not impressed since they've been working on it for so long and on current gen consoles. It could look a whole lot better than it is...

I'm actually pretty surprised they haven't shown more at this point. Isn't the game being released sometime in the first or second quarter of the year?

[BentonGrey]

Hey Marvell, I think that only a very small portion (near the end) was actual in-game footage.  Most of it, I think, was pre-rendered, but maybe not cutscenes.

[BWPS]

I'm really excited. But I agree with Marvell. The graphics looked very dated and lifeless. But these games are all about how fun they are, and I'm sure this one will be. I liked Civil War in the comics, except what happened at the end with (I'm sure I can say this, it was in the news, but spoiler)

Spoiler

Spoiler

Cap being killed while his comic was so good.

but it definitely makes for a good video game setting.
The biggest problem I have is there are so many characters. It was hard enough picking 4 favorite X-men in XML, not that any of them but Storm ended doing anything toward the end. Though of course that's not a real problem.

That Thor sceen in the video blew me away - He actually looked really powerfull & deadly

Yeah, and he's just an evil clone!

[captmorgan72]

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/142/14233937/imgs_1.html

I absolutely love the look of Thor. That costume is fantastic! Is it just me or does Thor look like Coipel's vision of Thor in the face and body? Anyway, you know an alternate costume will be Coipel's Thor. I am so looking forward to this game!

[electro]

The biggest problem I have is there are so many characters.

What

[BentonGrey]

Well, I have a feeling that the cast of characters is going to end up making me angry, after all, I'm sure I won't get the Angers line up that I want (and that the game deserves) because they'll be too busy making room for freaking Elektra and others.  Still, even with worries like that already on my mind, I was surprised by one of the characters already revealed.  Songbird...who the heck is she?  I've never even heard of her before.  I bet we won't see Wasp, but darned if they didn't put miss nobody in the game.

[Talavar]

Songbird was Screaming Mimi, and has been in Thunderbolts for quite some time (though I don't think anymore).  She's not that new of a character by any stretch, with a first appearance in 1979.  I'm not exactly sure why they've gone with her, but the wasp not being in MUA 2 is no skin off my nose. 

[lugaru]

Yeah, songbird is pretty cool in her current incarnation, nice powers, costume and personality. And while she is a total B (or C) lister she was a big part of recent events by association. I'm looking forward to MUA2, I felt that they got a lot right in MUA but there was a lot of room for improvement.

[Previsionary]

Well, I have a feeling that the cast of characters is going to end up making me angry, after all, I'm sure I won't get the Angers line up that I want (and that the game deserves) because they'll be too busy making room for freaking Elektra and others.  Still, even with worries like that already on my mind, I was surprised by one of the characters already revealed.  Songbird...who the heck is she?  I've never even heard of her before.  I bet we won't see Wasp, but darned if they didn't put miss nobody in the game.

Shhhh, speak less, Benton. . We all know you only know old school avengers and Aquaman characters. ^^.

Songbird is currently off the Thunderbolts team and is being hunted down by Osbourne. She probably has more fans than Wasp ever has and really...no one really likes her character. Besides, Songbird is basically like a GL or Sapphire in her current form, so they could potentially do quite a lot with her AND offer a bit more diversity than the last few games had. Wasp really doesn't offer that much in gameplay, me thinks, unless they reduce the power slots from 6+ back to 4-5...and even then she's no real powerhouse or prize in combat.

As for why she may be in the game, the T-bolts had a mediocre part in Civil War, which part of the game's storyline is based off of. The T-bolts were used to capture rogue heroes...so...enter Songbird, who at this time was too moral for the team and openly opposed Norman's rule. IIRC, Green Goblin is in the game, so that may come into play somehow.

[Glitch Girl]

I just hope they debug this one a little better than the last ones.

Never played X-Men Legends, but XL2 had a TON of bugs in it, a few completely handicapping gameplay (bosses who wouldn't come out if killed someone too quickly, bos fights which would not register a win if you timed something just right).  MUA was a little better, but even it had far too many bugs in it (most notable in my experience was the fact that if you had two controllers active, even if only one person was playing the solo training missions, bosses would not fight back and you got no rewards).

Seriously, do they playtest these things?  Don't get me wrong, I loved both those games, but the fact that some serious issues slipped in is sloppy.

[BentonGrey]

*Kills Prev...mostly for fun*  Well, I like the Wasp.  Tommy did an excellent job incorporating her into MUA 1, so it seems to me that she'd be just fine.  In fact, there is a lot you could do with her in the speed/stealth/hard-to-hit kind of way.

Ohh...and I'm familiar with MOST old school characters...it's not my fault modern comics stink so bad.

I'm still moderately looking forward to it, but I just picked up MUA to play on my friend's 360, after having been playing Tommy's oh-so-excellent Avengers mod for it on the PC, and I was struck by how little the vanilla cast of characters interested me.  I wouldn't mind playing roughly half of them, but I only really cared about a handful (guess which ones).  Characters like Elektra, Storm, Colossus, Wolverine, Power Man, Spiderwoman, and Iceman are just taking up slots that could be used by characters I care about more, or who I haven't gotten to play with yet in a game like this.

[Talavar]

*Kills Prev...mostly for fun*  Well, I like the Wasp.  Tommy did an excellent job incorporating her into MUA 1, so it seems to me that she'd be just fine.  In fact, there is a lot you could do with her in the speed/stealth/hard-to-hit kind of way.

Ohh...and I'm familiar with MOST old school characters...it's not my fault modern comics stink so bad.

Somebody likes the Wasp?  Weird.  I guess just playing the odds someone had to (though what really throws the curve off is that it's the same person who likes Aquaman) . 

I wouldn't call the '70s "modern comics" though.  Even '79 was 30 years ago now.

[Tomato]

*Kills Prev...mostly for fun*  Well, I like the Wasp.  Tommy did an excellent job incorporating her into MUA 1, so it seems to me that she'd be just fine.  In fact, there is a lot you could do with her in the speed/stealth/hard-to-hit kind of way.

Ohh...and I'm familiar with MOST old school characters...it's not my fault modern comics stink so bad.

I'm still moderately looking forward to it, but I just picked up MUA to play on my friend's 360, after having been playing Tommy's oh-so-excellent Avengers mod for it on the PC, and I was struck by how little the vanilla cast of characters interested me.  I wouldn't mind playing roughly half of them, but I only really cared about a handful (guess which ones).  Characters like Elektra, Storm, Colossus, Wolverine, Power Man, Spiderwoman, and Iceman are just taking up slots that could be used by characters I care about more, or who I haven't gotten to play with yet in a game like this.

*kills Benton... mostly for fun* Let me see if I understand the mentality here... despite the fact that the X-men are one of Marvel's consistently hot items since Second Genesis (an era I'm quite the fan of, btw) and make up a huge chunk of the universe, they should all be nixed? Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing more X-men in MUA2... Beast at the very least, because we haven't seen him since XML 1 and he's such a big proponent of the universe.

[lugaru]

I like the wasp, but mostly from her modern incarnation in recent avengers and in the ultimates. I like how she is tough, how her shrinking powers are cool, I loved it when she started becoming a giant as well and her character has been this intelligent beautiful woman who refuses to pronouce her life over because she got married.

* Character may vary depending on the writer and storyline.   

[BentonGrey]

Somebody likes the Wasp?  Weird.  I guess just playing the odds someone had to (though what really throws the curve off is that it's the same person who likes Aquaman) . 

I wouldn't call the '70s "modern comics" though.  Even '79 was 30 years ago now.

Haha, yeah, I know.  What can I say, I'm a sucker for the underdog. .  I like 70's comics...I even like 80's comics sometimes...

*kills Benton... mostly for fun* Let me see if I understand the mentality here... despite the fact that the X-men are one of Marvel's consistently hot items since Second Genesis (an era I'm quite the fan of, btw) and make up a huge chunk of the universe, they should all be nixed? Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing more X-men in MUA2... Beast at the very least, because we haven't seen him since XML 1 and he's such a big proponent of the universe.

Ackkk!!  Ha, yeah, that's pretty much my stance.  Now, don't get me wrong, I love the X-Men, I just feel like I've already played with them and I'd rather play with new characters.  If the cast were bigger, or really, even if the 360 version were mod-able, it wouldn't bother me as much.  I wouldn't mind seeing Beast in it, since he was an Avenger too.  See, in my mind, this is and should have been an Avenger game.  I can't shake that.  We had X-Men, and going to the wider Marvel U is great, but the core of it should be the Avengers.  That means Cap, Iron Man, and Thor, of course, but it also means Hawkeye, Giantman, Wasp, Hercules, the Black Knight, and others.  Notice I didn't say that I thought the X-Men had no place in the game (although Elektra?  Really?), just that they didn't really mean anything to me in MUA.  Ideally, we'd have a game that would give us a nice, big chunk of both teams.  Especially if we had a rumble room type affair.  It would be great fun to pit the X-Men against the Avengers.

I like the wasp, but mostly from her modern incarnation in recent avengers and in the ultimates. I like how she is tough, how her shrinking powers are cool, I loved it when she started becoming a giant as well and her character has been this intelligent beautiful woman who refuses to pronouce her life over because she got married.

* Character may vary depending on the writer and storyline.   

Lugaru, I like her from 80's and 90's tales, where she became a leader.  She was really on top of things and competent, and they played up her experience to make her a good field commander.  It was a really nice departure from the Sue Richards/Lois Lane syndrome that she had in her early incarnation.  I haven't read anything about her recently, and I avoid the Ultimates like the plague, but it sounds like the same kind of things about the character.

[daerdevil]

Got ninja'd but it's an Op Ed anyways.

Have to disagree with Benton and Tomato on the lineups.

X-men are just so boring after awhile in video games.  We already had 2 XML games and they were great, let's move on.  And really, do we need Iceman in every game?  I always felt he was the most overrated character.

As for Powerman and Elektra, well those are two of my staples whenever I play  MUA.  I always loved the "lone wolf" type characters...Daredevil, Heroes for Hire, Elektra, Black Widow, Black Panther.  Alright, Spiderwoman, Dr. Strange and Blade is going a bit overboard, but I think some of these characters deserve some game time.

I'd rather see a lineup that covers some of the name brands (Cap, Spidey, Thor), some of the lesser known (Ironfist, Daredevil, Elektra) and then some that just never make the cut (Black Knight, Wasp, Alpha Flight).

If they could just keep a good mix, give them multiple costumes, and leave room for some add-ons later on, I'd be a happy man.

Now that I see the last post, I whole heartedly agree that MUA would be better as an Avengers-centric game.  Granted it's Marvel Ultimate Alliance not The Avengers, but like I said do we really need more X-men games I can think of about 12 in recent times off the top of my head, and Wiki lists more than 25 X-men specific titles.

[AfghanAnt]

If Thor, Ares, Cloak and Dagger, Cable, and any Young Avengers appear in this game I'm in.

[BentonGrey]

I wouldn't mind seeing Cable it the game.

[Previsionary]

Thor is in it for sure as, like Storm, he's more or less a mainstay with a variety of powers and easy to combo off. It'd be nice for Cable to actually appear outside of XML2 where he was in...the psp version? *hopes there're no uber exclusive characters this time around as that's truly an annoying feature each game post XML has had*

[AfghanAnt]

Thor is in it for sure as, like Storm, he's more or less a mainstay with a variety of powers and easy to combo off. It'd be nice for Cable to actually appear outside of XML2 where he was in...the psp version? *hopes there're no uber exclusive characters this time around as that's truly an annoying feature each game post XML has had*

I hated that with MUA. I really wanted to play as Captain Marvel but refused to buy another system just for a game I could play on my PS2, Wii, or Xbox.

[BentonGrey]

Yeah, I know EXACTLY what you mean AA.

[Glitch Girl]

Ditto.  I wanted to play as Nightcrawler in MUA but I didn't have the system for it.  

the console exclusive character concept kinda sucks in general.  Only possible excuse I can think of if it's a console specific character (ie: MasterChief on the X-Box, Kratos on the PS3, and Samus on the Wii), but even that's kinda weak.  

[lugaru]

I agree about console exclusives, if it is not a mascot (Link in Soul Calibur) then it feels more like a restriction than a bonus.

Personally I would love to see a lot of the classic spiderman villains, imagine a MODOCK'S 12 level where you fight through villanous henchmen and face people like "The Puma" who are fighting your heroes and the henchmen at the same time as they attempt to steal some technology. Also I would love to fight the Rhino playing as The Punisher...

[Tomato]

As far as exclusive characters go, I'd say either hold out in case they maybe(stupid VV! not make a profit my butt.) sell it for the PC (which will inevitably have everyone, fans being as awesome as they are) or get the X-Box 360 version, which will have all of them on X-Box live soon enough anyway.

And as far as the X-men thing... Grah. I got this game originally on the PS2, and they didn't even have a full X-men lineup (3 characters), so how can you say there were too many? Even the Xbox 360, with it's 8 bonus characters (is that right? I'm not sure) and next-gen staples, bringing it up to 31 characters in all, only had 6 X-men. They added 6 characters just in the Xbox live bonuses, for goodness sake!

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this mentality... we keep talking about slots they take up, but what it comes down to is playability. Cyclops is a great ranged guy. Wolverine is awesome at melee. Nightcrawler is a teleporting swords guy. Iceman can freeze everything. All of them serve a purpose, as does Songbird (whose powers I'm looking forward to using.) Wasp doesn't. Beast, despite my love of the character, didn't in XML1 (I'm sorry, but he was pretty useless).

If you wish to talk slots, talk about what the character can actually do, that is unique compared to the rest of Marvel, and that can add to the game. In that case, there isn't a competition between Wasp and Songbird, they're completely different in terms of abilities. The only slots Wasp is competing for are with the Ant-man/Goliath crowd, not with X-men or Songbird.

[BWPS]

I know in SCIV you can buy the SW char that didn't come with your system's version, but that's still lame because you have to pay for them. I'd imagine other games do that as well.