The First Avenger: Captain America - may contain spoilers eventually

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Even so, it would be higher than a lesser actor, and I would like to bet that the price would suddenly get much higher for later films.

[stumpy]

I don't know what these guys are willing to work with, pay-wise, when they like a character and like a script, but it seems like Pitt is in a more rarefied crowd as a box office draw than even RDJr and Edward Norton. And I consider both of the latter to be excellent actors and big names (of about equal stature) in their own rights.

Also, I don't know how this would translate into ticket sales for a comic book movie, but there has to be a certain beefcake factor to Brad Pitt that the others don't quite have. When Troy came out a few years back, a few female friends of mine were psyched to see it, which was a little surprising to me since it's a movie largely centered around a war and featured highly cinematic and violent battle scenes. When I asked about their enthusiasm, there was no hesitation, "A tan, oiled Brat Pitt strutting around shirtless? Of course we're going to see it." I don't know what the demographic profiles of the Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk movies have been, but I'm sure Marvel would be happy to attract a large female audience to a comic book movie.

Anyway, I would be happy if they got someone like Brad Pitt to sign on to do a few movies as Cap, even though I'm am not sure he's really in the right age range for a movie based on Cap's early career. And, he would be pushing fifty (and normal human fifty, not frozen-in-ice fifty) by the time a movie could come out.

BTW, they can make any actor's hair (and eyebrows, etc.) believably blond. This is a big budget Hollywood movie - they have the technology to do a good dye job. :lol: You'd think no one liked Buffy as a blonde because SMG is a natural brunette.  :rolleyes:

Anyway, no matter how they go here, I hope they find someone who can act. I don't want them to pick some wrestler or soap star who's never carried a movie on his own stumbling through Cap's dialog.

[House Quake]

Another nod for a Brad Pitt is that he works very very well in ensemble movies.  In spite his 'lead' role status... he can play well together with others.  Money wise... I'ld see him signing a deal similar to his Ocean Eleven's cotract.. 10 mil up front with a cut on the back side.  Plus with his 'kids'... I think he'd get a kick out of doing a movie like this.  Age wise... he still looks 30 something and with the right make up... even younger than that.  Even though Marvel may be going WWII... I think his 'look' would be about the right age. (The same with Thomas Jane)

Speaking of Ocean's Eleven (and sequels)... another person I wouldn't mind seeing is Matt Damon.  He'd come at a nice price as well... but less than Brad and would still be a name that would bring in viewers. Him being a comicbook fan is a plus as well.  He'd be better if they want to go with the young buck private Steve Rogers,

But if Marvel wants to go inexpensive with an actor in the lead role.. then Thomas Jane would be a good choice.  He's familiar with Marvel and I don't blame him for his version of 'The Punisher' not being what many hoped it would.  Though i liked him in the role and as an actor period.

Based on the trend of the current movies Ironman and Hulk... I'm sure Marvel is going to cast a name actor for the role.  They won't go for a nobody.






Now for Thor I have different feelings...


Paul Levesque aka 'The Game'... Triple H   :P

[B A D]

I honestly think Pitt could be a great choice.  But honestly, how much good fortune can one man be given in one  lifetime? Handsome, TWO hottie wives, a film carreer, and silky hair? Its just not fair.

[thanoson]

I was just thinging. What about Mark Walberg? Since we're going action guys. Mark can act and I can see him going through ith this role. However, the hair color may be rough. Yay for dye. Maybe John Cena as a roided up super soldier Steve Rogers? I always thought those 2 looked similar.

[House Quake]

I was just thinging. What about Mark Walberg? Since we're going action guys. Mark can act and I can see him going through ith this role. However, the hair color may be rough. Yay for dye. Maybe John Cena as a roided up super soldier Steve Rogers? I always thought those 2 looked similar.

heh-heh... as you posted this I was cropping a pic of ole' Marky Mark



His hair naturally isn't to dark and could be lightened (if necessary).  But otherwise he is another guy who can act and is very familiar with physically demanding roles.

i know I mentioned they are most prob going to go for a known actor... but I'll toss in another name to make my choices an even (???) five... Tahmoh Tenikett aka 'Helo' from Battlestar Galactica.



Ok... I'm done before I get too carried away.   But in order of preference
1. Brad Pitt
2. Thomas Jane
3. Mark Wahlberg
4. Matt Damon
5. Tahmoh Tenikett

[detourne_me]

Red Skull should be either Hugo Weaving or Daniel Craig.
Both would bring a good physical presence, and hugo weaving is comfortable under prosthetics.

edit: oh man,  just saw on IMDB the new movie Hugo Weaving will be in.. The Wolfman, looks cool, great cast.

[GhostMachine]

Brad Pitt would be a better choice for Hawkeye than Cap. I've heard some people suggest him as Thor, but I don't see why; he looks decent enough with long hair but they'd have to use CGI and camera tricks to make him look bigger than everyone else.

Matt Damon would be a good choice for Cap, I think.

[Protomorph]

My Cap movie would definately have the bulk of it set in WWII. We really need to get a feel of who this guy is, and why he's such a great addition to the Avengers. As has been stated, the Cap Movie is being released a month before the Avengers movie. Thus, the burden of the modern reveal can mostly be done there. In my opinion, the biggest hurdle of a Cap movie is getting him to the present time in the first movie. With another film following it this quickly, much of the transition can be done there.

I'd start it out with Cap on the scene, in the trenches, and newsreel stuff. Cut back to the war and meeting Bucky. He relates his origin to him.  With the recent development of Buck being not the "Golly-gee" kid we knew in the 1940-60's, he can be a butt-stomper also in his own way. Occasional team-ups with Invaders would happen as missions overlap but usually just the 2 of them. Near the end, they stop the Red Skull and Zemo from launching their doomsday missile and Cap and Bucky get themselves frozen/blown up. Cut to Bruce Banner in the frozen north discovering the Cap-sicle (re: the scenes that were supposed to be in the Hulk movie, but without the suicide references). Cut to Cap waking up on the table, going nuts on the room, and Fury calming him down.

I would like to see Ult.Cap costume during WWII scenes, as they are way more believeable for that time period than a spandex costume...Perhaps a blend of costumes. I'd also like to see Bucky and cameos of the Invaders: Human Torch, Toro, Namor (set him up for the next Fantastic Four movie), Spitfire and Union Jack. I also would like to see an appearance by Sam Jackson as Sgt. Fury with some Howling Commandos.

I can live with Brad Pitt being Cap. He can play younger and war-grizzled, I'm thinking. He doesn't need to be as built and bulky as a pro-wrestler, like John Cena (who wouldn't be a bad choice-if he could act)

I wouldn't mind a Hitler appearance in conjunction with Red Skull arriving to save his Fuhrer, etc.

[JeyNyce]

Sorry guys, i can't see Brad Pitt being Cap.  He's too big of a star and it would take away from Cap.  For example when you see Iron man and you see Robert Downey and the way he acts, you will believe that he is Tony Stark, with Brad it would be more like "that's Brad Pitt in a Cap outfit.  I say get a not-so-well-known actor, (who can act) and let him be Cap.

[Previsionary]

Sorry guys, i can't see Brad Pitt being Cap.  He's too big of a star and it would take away from Cap.  For example when you see Iron man and you see Robert Downey and the way he acts, you will believe that he is Tony Stark, with Brad it would be more like "that's Brad Pitt in a Cap outfit.  I say get a not-so-well-known actor, (who can act) and let him be Cap.

I never understood statements like that. After one good movie, wouldn't that be a problem for every actor and actress? That should never really be a problem that takes away from a movie unless the actor doesn't "act" very well. When I saw RDJ in the trailers of Ironman, I went, "hrm, RDJ" as I did with every other movie I've seen him in and he was a fairly big star back in the day before his drug problems got way out of hand. To use a more common, bigger named star, seeing (or hearing) Angelina in every other movie hasn't distracted me yet. Now...Keanu Reeves? :P


Jokes, jokes.

[GhostMachine]

How about pro football player Brian Urlacher with a wig, if he can act?

[BlueBard]

There's such a thing as being too popular.  The big name actors can basically pick and choose their projects.  They might contract for a sequel or two, but after that you're going to have a harder time getting them back without throwing a lot of extra cash at them.

If Marvel wants a certain amount of crossover in their movies, having an "all-star" cast will make that more difficult and expensive.

I want them to find good actors who are actually fans of the character so they can do a good job of it.  Then they'll be worth whatever they're paid and they'll make time to do it.

[Ares_God_of_War]

Cena would be very interesting and I would actually really like to see him in a Cap costume now. Do you think Vince would actually let him do something like that without being like an executive producer on the film?

[JeyNyce]

Cena can't act.  Don't mean to sound rude, but they need somebody with some experience and who is a fan of comic (Nick Cage is an exception to this rule)

[House Quake]

Sorry guys, i can't see Brad Pitt being Cap.  He's too big of a star and it would take away from Cap.  For example when you see Iron man and you see Robert Downey and the way he acts, you will believe that he is Tony Stark, with Brad it would be more like "that's Brad Pitt in a Cap outfit.  I say get a not-so-well-known actor, (who can act) and let him be Cap.

i couldn't disagree more.  This is a problem for big name actors who can't...well... act... or should I say... they don't know how to let the character they are playing rise over thier own personalities.    For instance... when I watch movies like Troy, Mr & Mrs Smith or Fight Club (among many others)..... I see strong characters.  And they are strong because Brad Pitt actually can act..very well and not overwhelm the character with thier personality.  Just like when I watch Tom Hanks in any roll.... I see the character because of his superior acting ability... not Tom Hanks.

However... some actors who can act but tend to put a bit too much of themselves into thier roles used to include actors like Jack Nicholson.  Now he is the type of actor who no matter what role he plays... you see 'Jack'.  Which brings to mind the first Batman movie.  Michael Keaton was an 'A-list' megastar then.... but he played the role of Bruce Wayne /Batman well... you saw him in the movie and you thought 'Batman'.  Jack on the other hand... you saw Jack playing the Joker..no matter how you looked at it or whether you thought his rendition was good or bad.... it was all Jack.

Brad is a very... very good actor... who happens to be a beef cake and can bring the type of charm and 'moxie' you'ld want from a Captain America.

[Shogunn2517]

Brad is a very... very good actor... who happens to be a beef cake and can bring the type of charm and 'moxie' you'ld want from a Captain America.

That's my problem with Brad Pitt.  I just don't think he looks the part at all.  Not gruff, not rough enough to pull off the soldier part, which I think is crucial.  He's too much of a pretty-boy to be someone to convey the type of dedication and drive someone like a Steve Rodgers character would.  If I had to pick outside of my choice(Channing Tatum) and go with a bigger name, who can work well in an ensemble, who can be gritty, who can be a soldier with drive, emotion and pull off arse-kicking and make it look good, definitely I'd say Matt Damon.

How tall is Matt Damon?

[House Quake]

Brad is a very... very good actor... who happens to be a beef cake and can bring the type of charm and 'moxie' you'ld want from a Captain America.

That's my problem with Brad Pitt.  I just don't think he looks the part at all.  Not gruff, not rough enough to pull off the soldier part, which I think is crucial.  He's too much of a pretty-boy to be someone to convey the type of dedication and drive someone like a Steve Rodgers character would.

Me thinks you haven't seen any of these movies...

The Assassination of Jesse James...
Babel
Troy
Spy Game
Seven Years in Tibet
and Fight Club

[House Quake]

I was thinking about the concerns some have expressed about actor salaries and such... and thought of something a few may not have considered.

Some of the actors who have been hired on to these movies have signed deals which will contract them for multiple films.  Downey I'm almost certain is in for the duration already... thus no matter how much Ironman makes or it's sequel... he has already been paid...or his earnings are already set.  Norton on the other hand... was contracted for the one film only... though he may do the rest still.  The odd thing is that his co-star Liv Tyler is contracted for three movies already.  Terrance Howard is also contracted if memory serves me right for multiple films.

What I'm getting at is that since Marvel is doing these movies in house... and if they are being smart and sticking to plan... they can contract the actors they wish prior to filming the Avengers and in most of these cases it will probably count as one of the movies towards some of the multi-film contracts.

Another aspect I read someone mention was a problem which derived from the X-Men franchise... ie people wanting more money to do sequels.  I don't see that problem facing these set of movies if Marvel continues to get actors whose market value is already set.  With the X-Men.. you had several actors who were virtual unknowns who became big primarily due to thier roles in the film. Hugh Jackman comes to mind first.  So by not going the cheep route and hiring 'unknowns' to begin with... they can avoid a ballooning salary demand for the later films.

Ed Norton, Robert Downey Jr, Liv Tyler, Terrance Howard, Gweneth Paltrow, Jeff Bridges, Samuel Jackson, William Hurt, etc.... are all known commodities.  Some of who have been in block busters before.  Thier market values are pretty much set.

I'm pretty sure in RDJr's case that he is likely contracted for three films... Ironman, Ironman II and Avengers already... with considerations such as cameo appearances in the other films.

[stumpy]

Which, as much as I like the idea, is another disadvantage to the really big names. They are harder to pin down for a three-picture (or whatever) movie deal. If Marvel wants to keep a consistent face for Cap for the next several years, they have to pick someone who is willing to do three movies over about five or six years. That's not likely to be someone like Brad Pit. It seems like Marvel may have tough choice between a top-tier A-lister and someone who is willing to hitch his wagon to Cap's horse for a fairly long time.

I agree with what you said about the skill of the actor in making the role believable. I think getting "the look" close is important, but it's worthless unless the guy can act well enough to pull off the role. Phillip Seymour Hoffman is a great actor, IMO, but he doesn't have the look for Cap. But, there are probably dozens of former football players, body builders, wrestlers, (and even some soap stars whose experience is basically just standing there and looking pretty) or whatever who have blond hair and a decent physical build who would still fail miserably because they lack the acting talent and experience to do anything other than play two-line roles as "Bodyguard #3", "Roadhouse Bouncer", or "Boy Toy".

[House Quake]

I dunno about not wanting to sign a multi-movie deal.  Even a-list people do it at times if they want to remain part of a project.  Or at the worst are easily persauded to do sequels.  Pitts in Ocean's 11,12 and 13 comes to mind. But in the Cap America scenario... it really would only have to be a two movie deal.. with both films being shot consecutively.  Esp if rumors are true and I think they would have to be in order for Marvel to release CA and the Avengers with in weeks of each other.

One name however which seams to be running rampant in the peanut gallery is Leonardo DiCaprio!  Lets just say i would literally puke if his scrawny a** landed the role.  Nor would I want an actor like Mathew Machoney.  Even though he has the physical tools and acting ability....... I just can't stand him.

And I said i wasn't going to toss any more names in the basket.... but i keep remembering actors who I believe could do the role justice.  ie look the part... got the physique... can handle action... and can actually act (though some better than others)

Paul Walker

[Shogunn2517]

Thought about him last night.  Might be good, but he's going to have to hurdle that whole acting thing though.

[BentonGrey]

Are you kidding me!?  I mean, Brad Pitt may not look the part, but at least he is one of the greatest actors of our time....Paul Walker is such a bad actor that his screen presence causes me physical pain.  "Timeline" was a bad movie to begin with, but with him as the lead, I found myself cringing every time he opened his mouth.  I will give you this though Quake, he DOES look fairly right.

[BWPS]

Are you kidding me!?  I mean, Brad Pitt may not look the part, but at least he is one of the greatest actors of our time....Paul Walker is such a bad actor that his screen presence causes me physical pain.  "Timeline" was a bad movie to begin with, but with him as the lead, I found myself cringing every time he opened his mouth.  I will give you this though Quake, he DOES look fairly right.

I agree. Has the look but ruins movies.

Cena would be very interesting and I would actually really like to see him in a Cap costume now. Do you think Vince would actually let him do something like that without being like an executive producer on the film?

There's no person in this world I hate more than John Cena. Also he is the worst actor on a show that uses terrible acting for humorous appeal. I don't think Marvel is stupid enough to bring a terrible wrestler type, they seem to want good acting in their movies. Even the Rated R Superstar, the greatest and most hilarious wrestler of all time, Edge, who I'd like to see in a movie, wouldn't be a good enough actor to be in a real movie.

A rapping John Cena Captain America complete with terrible insults that evoke cheers from the crowd with that hit-in-the-head-with-a-brick voice... I cringe, I CRINGE!

[House Quake]

Are you kidding me!?  I mean, Brad Pitt may not look the part, but at least he is one of the greatest actors of our time....Paul Walker is such a bad actor that his screen presence causes me physical pain.  "Timeline" was a bad movie to begin with, but with him as the lead, I found myself cringing every time he opened his mouth.  I will give you this though Quake, he DOES look fairly right.

Hey... about acting I said, "...some better than others."  ;)  Though I did like him in 'The Fast and the Furious'

Walker is... limited.  Esp when compared to some of the other names I tossed up... but hey he could be worst like... John Cena  :huh:

I'm not going to knock wrestlers as a whole because in the right situations... some can actually act.  Maybe no Oscar winners... but still do a decent job.  Triple H is one of those whom I believe can be coached and directed well enough to play Thor for instance.  John Cena just isn't there and may never be.

[GhostMachine]

Are you kidding me!?  I mean, Brad Pitt may not look the part, but at least he is one of the greatest actors of our time....Paul Walker is such a bad actor that his screen presence causes me physical pain.  "Timeline" was a bad movie to begin with, but with him as the lead, I found myself cringing every time he opened his mouth.  I will give you this though Quake, he DOES look fairly right.

I agree. Has the look but ruins movies.

Cena would be very interesting and I would actually really like to see him in a Cap costume now. Do you think Vince would actually let him do something like that without being like an executive producer on the film?

There's no person in this world I hate more than John Cena. Also he is the worst actor on a show that uses terrible acting for humorous appeal. I don't think Marvel is stupid enough to bring a terrible wrestler type, they seem to want good acting in their movies. Even the Rated R Superstar, the greatest and most hilarious wrestler of all time, Edge, who I'd like to see in a movie, wouldn't be a good enough actor to be in a real movie.

A rapping John Cena Captain America complete with terrible insults that evoke cheers from the crowd with that hit-in-the-head-with-a-brick voice... I cringe, I CRINGE!

Cena hasn't done the rapping bit in a long time. If it wasn't for his entrance music (which I'm totally sick of - "Basic Thuganomics" was 10x better than "My Time Is Now"), you wouldn't even know he raps.

Edge had a bit part in Highlander Endgame, by the way.

[herodad1]

the right person for cap would be hard to find.triple H as thor?hmmm?i always thought triple h would have made a good sabretooth.paul walker has the look,dont know about acting,but he'd really have to start working out.

[House Quake]

the right person for cap would be hard to find.triple H as thor?hmmm?i always thought triple h would have made a good sabretooth.paul walker has the look,dont know about acting,but he'd really have to start working out.

The only question with a Paul Walker would be acting.  Pretty much every guy I listed know there way around a gym.  Matt Damon was the only sfty on the list until he beefed up for his 'Jason Bourne' rolls.

[Ares_God_of_War]

If I had my choice I would say Matt Damon is my #1 so far. Brad Pitt would be #2. I like Matt over Brad for the fact I think Matt seems to have that "softer" side and can see being a sympathetic Rogers as wel as kicking some arse. Brad I think would be great if this was Ultimate Cap


on a side note I second Herodad HHH would be an awesome Sabertooth look wise.

[Adamence]

I must say, I think Matt Damon would make a pretty good Cap.  I think he's close enough to look the part, without looking all 'roided up like a wrestler.  He's shown a willingness to do trilogies and such (The Ocean's movies and The Bourne Trilogy) so he'd likely be willing to commit to multiple movies under the right conditions (maybe good script, good character, right amount of money?)

But, there's an ace in the hole to get him as Cap... have Kevin Smith direct it...haha.