Netflix is making Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, AND Jessica Jones shows!

[HarryTrotter]

Punisher,Daredevil and Mileena from Mortal Kombat?

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Promo, featuring the costumes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=30&v=YO5hHaJclzY

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Luke Cage will be released in September.

[Shogunn2517]

Hey quick question...

I'm rewatching Season 1 of Daredevil and I'm watching Episode 12 and notice the scene where Fisk is looking at Wesley's phone.  In it two of his incoming calls are from a "JF" and a "MKJ".  Of course he also has calls from "WF", which would be "Wilson Fisk", but I'm wondering who could those other two callers be?  Easter eggs?  Anyone have any idea who might they be?

[HarryTrotter]

Just saw the first 3 episodes of season 2.Its okay.Well,points for recreating a scene from MK Punisher.

[Shogunn2517]

Just saw the first 3 episodes of season 2.Its okay.Well,points for recreating a scene from MK Punisher.

Yeah I got through the first 3 last night.  I saw that was what they were doing before.  The scene's different.  Would have apprciated it being much similar.  MK's tension was ratched up far more than this.  Loved the back and forth between the two though.

Really loved Foggy and Matt's first scene too.  And Matt's explanation of why he can't quit.

A few complaints on how they're handling the Punisher, but those might be petty.  Overall, I'm good with it.

[Shogunn2517]

A bit of an easter egg is attached...

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a teaser for Luke Cage is at the end:

https://www.facebook.com/MarvelCinematicUniverse/videos/1326108097405759/

[BentonGrey]

Well, we're three episodes in, and it's still excellent.  I love that they're including the Punisher.  That's a very natural step, but I really don't care for his portrayal.  He's too crazy.  There's nothing particularly compelling about his portrayal, and the Punisher should really be compelling.

That said, the central dilemma is an interesting one, and I'm loving Foggy and Karen.  That fight in the stairwell was amazing.

[spydermann93]

Finished the series last night (I know, no life and what-not)

I'll try and not to reveal too much in terms of shocking twists and the likes

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A few things:

1) I did not care for Elektra, like, at all. She was spoiled, criminal (and took pleasure from it), and she was WAAAAY too annoying, constantly butting into everything.  When she *gasp* died, I didn't really feel anything for her.  I felt more for Matt who was for some reason saddened by her "shocking" demise, despite...

2) The awkward romance between Daredevil and Elektra.  They kept the fact that they met in college, but they did away with Elektra's dad being killed in a fight between Daredevil and some goons. In fact, her "dad" is actually her adoptive father in this series, which I thought was kind of interesting.

Anyways, Matt and Elektra seemed to have something between each other, but I guess it was my dislike for her that kind of blinded me to anything genuine at all.  I get that she had this "I'm a killer" type thing going on and Daredevil seems to always be on the edge, but given his resolute and firm attitude during his debate with the Punisher, I say that can't quite be the real reason.

He keeps telling Elektra that he's "moved on" and that he wants nothing to do with her, but somehow, she keeps roping him.  One time, he's with Foggy and Karen at Metro General about to take the case of a lifetime, and guess what? Elektra sends a limo to him, Matt's like "While, I can't, buuuut..." and hops into the limo! Aggh! Stupid!

3) Bernthal was FANTASTIC as the Punisher.  That graveyard scene was really moving.  Actually made me shed a tear for him, and I loved it.  All of his fighting scenes, especially against Daredevil, were fantastic.  I did appreciate his unyielding nature, and while it's strange that I don't agree with how he does things, there is some sort of "heck yeah!" that comes from me when he kills terrible people.

4) The Hand were great! They kicked butt, they lived up to the fact that they were highly-trained ninja assassins, and they really knew how to give Daredevil and company a hard time.

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Also, Nobu's back!!

This next one is kinda big:

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Kingpin is back, and just as great as ever!!! Willing to literally throw his weight around to get what he wants, he is still one scary man that you don't want to mess with.

When Matt Murdock (in his attorney role) tried to threaten Fisk by making it impossible for Vanessa to come back to the USA, ooooh boy, did that not go well for him! Kingpin is great and I can't wait to see more!

5) Stick is still a d***, as usual, but you can still tell he cares about his students, albeit in a very distant way, lol.

6) Karen and Foggy are fantastic in this! I love 'em both.  Karen has real tenacity and won't back down from getting the truth out to everybody and doing what's right, risking her own life many, MANY times and still being bad***.  Foggy is still his hilarious self and shows why it's Nelson AND Murdock by bringing his Lawyering Skills to the court and the streets.  He's not fearless, but man, does he have a courage of steel.  I want more of 'em!

7) Matt seems to have his priorities messed up.  He could easily do his lawyering AND his hero business, but it seems that he isn't very willing to try to do both as much as he tried in Season 1.  Yeah, I get that in the cases that he gets beaten to near death that he will have a hard time waking up in the morning, but maaan, he makes such little effort compared to the previous season.  There were a few cases where he could have just stayed and waited to handle Daredevil situations, but noooo, the power of boners is stronger (see number 2).

8) Some neat cameos showed up, like Hoggarth and Madame Gao, as well as some name drops like Jessica Jones and some allusions, like Claire mentioning Luke Cage (not by name).  Neat little references. Also, they dropped when Nelson said "It's like a warzone" in regards to the Punisher killings, I chuckled.

Overall, I liked Season 1 better, but Season 2 is definitely worth the watch! 8/10 for me!

[Tomato]

Give it time Benton. They had a balance to walk with the Punisher, because he had to be the primary antagonist of the early part of the season, while at the same time setting him up as sympathetic. He's a lot more compelling in later episodes. I'm not a huge Punisher person, but I loved the portrayal they went with here... he has moments where he's sympathetic and you almost feel for him, but they show time and again how unrepentant he is.

That said... I wasn't as happy with this season as I was with Season 1. It's still good stuff, but it's not really that cohesive... Season 1 and Jessica Jones both had very tight storylines, where the finale was built up throughout the entire season. Here, I feel like the season doesn't truly start until roughly 5 episodes in, and the final episode feels more like the conclusion of a mini-arc (like the russians in season 1 or Will's arc in JJ), rather than something built up all season.

And don't misunderstand: I do like each episode of this season, and the whole thing does feel more like a comic book than either of the other Netflix shows. But the downside to that is that the finale falls kind of flat, and results in a season that didn't live up to all the stuff that they set up. Spoilers below for those who have not seen the whole season.

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OMG that Iron Fist cameo in the last episode, Amirite? OMG, I can't believe they made him asian after all! I can't believe how he and Luke Cage helped take out the Punisher!

But no, SERIOUSLY, I am not going to bother double spoiling this for people who haven't seen the whole season. So if you don't want to be spoiled, STOP READING HERE.

Anyway, back to my feelings on the season... I feel like the biggest issue was that they were trying to shoehorn everything into this season, and the whole thing suffers as a result. The Punisher stuff, while interesting in the moment, really has no place in this season other than to open the door for his own series... which is fine, but there are 4 episodes dedicated JUST to the Punisher before the arc of the series even starts. You could cut out his subplot from the series entirely, and the only thing of value the series would lose is the whole mini arc with Punisher and Kingpin. Seriously, everything Matt contends with regarding his no-kill code is handled much more personally with his relationship to Elektra, and it would only take some minor tweaks to place her in the role as the second vigilante.

Additionally, the whole "Hand" arc just felt a bit flat. The Black Sky thing felt like a forced callback to Season 1, and a cheap way to explain Elektra's desire to kill. It's also frustrating that Punisher is given so much screen time early on, only to have his only contribution to the main arc of the series be to shoot a few ninjas out of Matt's way at the end of the fight. And what's most frustrating is, the fix for this is so SIMPLE. Have Frank show up on the roof for the final fight, have him fight the ninja army with DD and Elektra, and then after Elektra dies, have Matt about to kill Nobu in revenge. Then, at the last second, have Frank shoot Nobu in the head, preventing Matt from crossing that line. It would tie back to his comments on the boat to DD about how it's a line you don't come back from, and give his character a bit of redemption that doesn't diminish the setup he'd been given.

That said, the series is still very good, despite my nitpicking. I really don't care for Punisher (I dislike the whole idea of him) but they did a good job of fleshing him out, while still acknowledging that he's not a good person.

[Talavar]

I'm not through the whole season yet, so I'm avoiding the spoiler tags (8 episodes in myself), but one thing I'm enjoying more in season two is the balance of the characters' storylines.  In season 1, we spend a lot of time with Karen and Ben Urich watching them try to figure out what we the audience, and Matt Murdock already know.  Season 2 has given Karen and Foggy more compelling things to do so far.

[Shogunn2517]

My thoughts?  Well, I'm not the BIGGEST Daredevil fan... but I am a substantially huge Punisher fan.  And overall, I liked season 2, but there were parts that stood out as... annoying? I guess?

First bit about the Punisher.

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Again, as a Punisher fan I am SICK and TIRED of Punisher origin stories. They all seemingly end up being revenge stories which effectively kill what the essence of who the Punisher is.  He's not the Avenger!  Or the Strike-Backer.  He's the PUNISHER.  He doesn't do what he does for revenge, to right a wrong that's been done to him and that was pretty much all he did this season right up to literally the last five minutes.  Which made his kill of the pervert porn shop guy really random.  He goes after the three groups that killed his fsmily, specifically but kills a pervert for.... what?

The Punisher is rather chaotic in his philosophy.  But he's extremely calculating.  The Punisher I know and think of, doesn't laugh.  Doesn't joke.  Doesn't really raise his voice.  He's like the Terminator.  He can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with, doesn't feel remorse, pity or fear.  And here, they humanized him. They made him a dog lover and an Earth, Wind and Fire fan?  His world is dark and bleak.  Not hopeful.  He's not one to reminesce.  His mission is to punish people who commit crime and to do it without prejudice.  Hes focused on that.  Thats it.  While many people had problems with Dolph Lundren's Punisher, the way they potrayed him was right.  Just efficient and cold.  Here, they made it seem like he's a complete headcase.  And angry.  And the rooftop scene, while I enjoyed, it seemed too over the top and way too emotional.  At the same time I understood it.  The actors did a good job with it, but it's purposely suppose to be without emotion from the Punisher's view.  You kill me or I kill him.  That's all.

But JB did a good job with him and I'd much rather see a lot more of him outside of him just seeking revenge.  I did enjoy his prison time with the Kingpin.  That seemed classic Punisher(other than the fact that he wasn't just randomly targeting crime for a entire prison to fear him).  The entire trial was kinda silly.  I don't think it was at all necessary. Why did he plead Not Guilty again?  It just seemed like filler for the real meat of the season with the Hand and I expected the two story lines to cross and they really never did.  He just showed up at the end randomly.  Don't know why and was just a far away sniper at that.  Kinda lame.  I know this all seems really nitpicky and complaining,  but I did enjoy JB's performance and the characterization of how he acted.  And how he was initially characterized, with people thinking there was a military unit killing people and not just one man.  Made him seem more fierce.  Again, I'm just bothered by storits that make sense out of his world.  The reality of what Matt said to Foggy about not taking a night off IS why there's a Punisher.  While I guess it could be true for vigilantism in general, that's the Punisher.

Now in regard to the rest of the other stuff:

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It was a really entertaining season.  There were some slow parts but over all, lots of action.  I really loved how they brought the Kingpin back(and actually referred to him AS the Kingpin too).  That was one thing about season one that bothered me was that for someone as powerful and rich as Wilson Fisk that controls so much he sure did get taken down cleanly.  The entire year and first half of this season I'm thinking to myself that "I'd like to think of course he's bought off judges or killed witnesses and can't be prosecuted they just don't show it or talk about it.  But they talked it through and even in season one they said it might take months to convict and he hasn't been convicted.

Elecktra, I didn't find as annoying as others did (even though I understand their complaints).  I did find it funny with all I was reading about Iron Fist being Asian and not, Elecktra was ACTUALLY played by an Asian actress.  Yeah half-asian, but I still spent at least 10 minutes during an episode googling "Greek models" and could barely square what I was seeing.  Elodie Yung did well though.  I suppose authentically coming across better than Jennifer Garner I suppose.  Stick was extremely entertaining.  Love the character.  Really d***ish in a "nobody's problems are really important but mine" sort of way.  I wish Clancy Brown's character was more Marvel-centric.  I thought the usage of the Dogs of Hell, who were also in Agents of SHIELD btw, seemed odd.  I'm an upstanding citizen and don't know that much about certain aspects of organized crime, but I never knew biker gangs that were heavy narcotic traffickers.  Additionally, I'm starting to dig their pulling all the season's together talking about heroes and vigilantism as a actual thing now.  Makes me look forward to seeing more.  Loved the crossovers and the reappearance, Gao, Nobu, Hogorth, Claire and of course the Kingpin.  Not to mention Turk and the actual Stiltman armor.

I do have to say, my last beef is with Daredevil himself:

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More specifically how he's written.  Because all first season he seemed to be somewhere between "expert" and "proficient" at beating up random thugs.  Admittedly,  he might have been in a beginner stage so to speak or otherwise injured, but at times he would take a punch or would be grabbed.  And even there were quite a few westerners that were skilled enough at challenging him, now including the Punisher.  However, this season he takes on a ninja clan.  And outside of him adapting tactics from hearing swords to breathing, they seemed REALLY easy.  Ninjas.  Armed ninjas.  Like easier than the Dogs of Hell in Episode 3.  The inconsistency in his skill was bothersome.  I know he's good, but I would imagine ninjas who are expertly trained are able to put up more of a fight than some bikers.

Btw, the hallway scene with the gun I though was a clever nod to the "No more Mr. Nice Guy" cover.  Nice touches all around.

[HarryTrotter]

Im at episode 8 right now,so something could change,but I have to agree with you about the Punisher.One case where too much characterization is a bad thing.

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I guess the trial was meant to evoke Trial of the Punisher and a few other similar stories where he wanted to get arrested so he could gain access to someone.

[Shogunn2517]

Im at episode 8 right now,so something could change,but I have to agree with you about the Punisher.One case where too much characterization is a bad thing.

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I guess the trial was meant to evoke Trial of the Punisher and a few other similar stories where he wanted to get arrested so he could gain access to someone.

I never really thought about that... now it makes a little more sense.... maybe.  I'll rewatch.

[Talavar]

I saw the rest of the season, and have to agree with some of what you all are saying. 

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I think that the least successful portion of the show was the final quarter.  Nobu and the Hand are far less compelling than last season's Wilson Fisk, so watching Daredevil struggle against them as the pinnacle of the season was weaker than much of what came before, and the wrap-up of the Punisher's storyline was a little too pat, with him just showing up to shoot some ninjas fairly randomly. 

However, I think the first 3 quarters of the show were superior to last season.  Like I mentioned before, giving Karen and Foggy something to do independent of Matt, that isn't already duplicated effort, made their storylines more compelling.  The stuff with the Punisher in jail with Fisk was great, and I really enjoyed Matt and Electra working heists against the Yakuza/Hand.

Still, I enjoyed it overall, and am looking forward to Luke Cage in the fall--which had a great little teaser at the end.

[Silver Shocker]

So I just finished it tonight, really enjoyed it. Not sure which season is better, my memory of S1 has kinda faded a bit.

Not much at all to say that hasn't been brought up earlier. Yes, Punisher was more intense and angry than pretty much every other iteration but they made it work and it probably works better for this series than the comics or cartoons. I feel a good comparison is that this Punisher is more like John Rambo in First Blood than in the later Rambo movies. More emotional and shell-shocked.

Love Stick. He is very entertaining, and yes, a lovable d*ck. I enjoyed seeing more of him.

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Kingpin appearance was great. Loved how Fisk had the run of the place in prison. Exactly what I expected when he went to jail at the end of S1, since he did that in the comics anyway.

I enjoyed the Microchip reference but it really felt like the kind of reference that will have non-comics fans turning to their comics-reading friends to explain what it meant (and I did get asked about it)

Totally missed Stiltman's easter egg. Gonna have to look that up.

[Shogunn2517]

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Totally missed Stiltman's easter egg. Gonna have to look that up.

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The scene when Gladiator/Melvin is outfitting Elektra and taking her measurements.  The Body and the legs are off in the corner.  I believe as he's looking taking out the Billy Club.

[Podmark]

Season 2 was great! Maybe not as good as season 1 but they go well together.

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Everything with the Kingpin was gold. Him taking over the prison was the highlight of the whole season, maybe the whole show.

Really enjoyed the Punisher in this. I figured he'd be more involved in the final fight on the roof, but at least he showed up by the end. I agree with Tomato's version of the final fight, that would have been the way to go.
I hope they do a Punisher show.

Foggy and Karen were great in this season. As was Stick.

Was disappointed in the Hand. I was looking forward to them but the plot just seemed flat. It felt like a subplot to keep Matt busy between Punisher/Karen/Foggy scenes. Elektra didn't do much for me either.
The final fight itself seemed oddly shot to me. Everytime it switched to a crane shot it threw me off. Stuff like that doesn't usually bother me so this was odd.

The most important thing I took from Daredevil: Don't become a vigilante. Seriously, how does Matt keep going back out every night after the beatings he takes? He should have been down for weeks lol.

[Talavar]

Season 2 was great! Maybe not as good as season 1 but they go well together.

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Everything with the Kingpin was gold. Him taking over the prison was the highlight of the whole season, maybe the whole show.

Really enjoyed the Punisher in this. I figured he'd be more involved in the final fight on the roof, but at least he showed up by the end. I agree with Tomato's version of the final fight, that would have been the way to go.
I hope they do a Punisher show.

Foggy and Karen were great in this season. As was Stick.

Was disappointed in the Hand. I was looking forward to them but the plot just seemed flat. It felt like a subplot to keep Matt busy between Punisher/Karen/Foggy scenes. Elektra didn't do much for me either.
The final fight itself seemed oddly shot to me. Everytime it switched to a crane shot it threw me off. Stuff like that doesn't usually bother me so this was odd.

The most important thing I took from Daredevil: Don't become a vigilante. Seriously, how does Matt keep going back out every night after the beatings he takes? He should have been down for weeks lol.

Re: vigilantes, all I kept thinking was...

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when the Defenders crossover happens, Matt Murdock is going to meet Luke Cage and be so, so jealous of his powers.

[JeyNyce]

The second season of Daredevil was good, but I think the ending was kind of rushed.  If they do decide to make a third season, they have to bring Bullseye into the show.  He would have worked out great in the second season.  I just hope that they put him in the show

[HarryTrotter]

Saw the whole season 2.And it was okay.
About the Punisher;its basicly a year one story,and by the end he seems to have grown into the more familiar version we know and like.

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Whole burning the house thing is meant to symbolize that Frank Castle is dead(the newspapers) and that hes The Punisher now.

I would definitively watch his solo series.
There is less talking about the broader MCU in this season.Which actually works better for the show IMO.

[Silver Shocker]

Best comment about Daredevil right here, from Channel Awesome's Nash:

I can't wait for the Defenders, when Daredevil watches Luke and Jessica *not* get half beaten to death in every fight. He's gonna cry.

[Talavar]

Best comment about Daredevil right here, from Channel Awesome's Nash:

I can't wait for the Defenders, when Daredevil watches Luke and Jessica *not* get half beaten to death in every fight. He's gonna cry.

I thought something very similar.  Too true!

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Since it hasn't been mentioned here yet, some of the actors involved have states that Defenders is scheduled to begin filming by the end of the year and should go live next year.  Sounds like basically as soon as Iron Fist is done.

[Talavar]

Since it hasn't been mentioned here yet, some of the actors involved have states that Defenders is scheduled to begin filming by the end of the year and should go live next year.  Sounds like basically as soon as Iron Fist is done.

I meant to post about this the other day--Netflix & Marvel have chosen the Daredevil showrunners from this past season, Douglas Petrie and Marco Ramirez, to be the Defenders showrunners, with Drew Goddard from season 1 as executive producer.  That's solid, though I hope the creative teams behind the other shows at least get some input, particularly those of Jessica Jones, which was excellent.

[Shogunn2517]

And I suppose I meant to post this...

Set pics.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/19/11459078/marvel-netflix-iron-fist-dude

[JeyNyce]

They show Stilt-man outfit in both seasons of DD, I'm just waiting for somebody to steal it and use it.  Even if its just for comic relief

[HarryTrotter]

http://variety.com/2016/digital/news/punisher-spinoff-netflix-1201763413/
Punisher is getting his own spinoff.After much denying he would.

[Shogunn2517]

I am totally and completely shocked.......  would have never ever thought Netflix would do this...........  yep... never saw it coming..........

[Talavar]

This is a true shock to us all.