FANT4STIC: Now, let me get this straight...

[daglob]

...they took the names and powers and threw out everything else that made The FF The FF, and tried to foist this thing on the public. Am I right?

[spydermann93]

Pretty much, yeah.

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Was it just me, or did Doom look and act suspiciously a LOT like Annihilus?  The origin of being from another dimension; having a chitinous armor; wanting to spread death and destruction 'just cuz'; etc.

[HarryTrotter]

Actually,the movie does a good job at adapting Ultimate FF origin.Everything else...well...you saw it.
And there will be a sequel.

[kkhohoho]

Actually,the movie does a good job at adapting Ultimate FF origin.Everything else...well...you saw it.
And there will be a sequel.

I refuse to believe it until I see it. Though by that token, I've never actually seen the first film, so I suppose I can refuse to believe that film even exists if I want to.

[Jimaras8]

Fox insisteing on grounding properties that should be fantastical, upbeat, vibrant and bizarre is really baffling. It works for the X-men for the most part because the mutants have a strong political layer and commentary but for the life of me i can't understand why the F4 should be realistic and gritty. Guardians of the Galaxy worked, Ant-man worked, Avengers is regarded one of the best cbms of all time without being dark or grounded. The opposite i would say. Why are studios so hellbent of doing cbms so afraid of their legacy? I know it worked wonders for the Dark Knight but it's Batman. he was always a different beast.


Rant over

[Shogunn2517]

What I'm trying to figure out is with Doctor Doom,

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not just why they crapped all over one of the best villains ever, literally.  He looks like he's made of actual crap.  But also, how inconsistent he was written.  We're first introduced to him as a villain when he's popping people's heads right and left.  But the moment he comes up against the Fantastic 4, he throws rocks at them?

[bearded]

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It was a good movie before they got the powers. I was interested in the love triangle developing. And I was hoping for some world exploration. But they got their powers and no more story, just explosions.

[daglob]

In my opinion they crapped all over Doom in the two previous movies (WHY would he need to steal from Reed? On a scale of 1-10, Reed is a 10, Doom a 9.999999999 et cetera. Doom doesn't NEED powers-he's freaking Victor Von Doom). And, all us old f**** know that Doomsie didn't even show up until FF#5. Why is it that motion picture makers want to do all the good stuff in the first movie?

[hoss20]

I'm with you, Daglob. With all of the CGI stuff movie studios are capable of, you would think someone would be chomping at the bit to recreate the cover of Fantastic Four #1. Yeah, the Mole Man isn't the most exciting villain in the world, but he fits the mold of a lot of the supervillains in movies; essentially pulling the strings and letting minions do the dirty work. Can you imagine how awesome all of those Moloids and other subterraneans would look? You would probably want to have some Victor Von Doom backstory in the first two movies. Throw the Super Skrull in the second movie and finish it off in the finale with Doom in all of his glory.

[HarryTrotter]

Doctor Doom is kinda like Batman,with elements of Iron Man,Doctor Strange and Pope.
You just cant fit all that into a single movie.

[daglob]

I'm with you, Daglob. With all of the CGI stuff movie studios are capable of, you would think someone would be chomping at the bit to recreate the cover of Fantastic Four #1. Yeah, the Mole Man isn't the most exciting villain in the world, but he fits the mold of a lot of the supervillains in movies; essentially pulling the strings and letting minions do the dirty work. Can you imagine how awesome all of those Moloids and other subterraneans would look? You would probably want to have some Victor Von Doom backstory in the first two movies. Throw the Super Skrull in the second movie and finish it off in the finale with Doom in all of his glory.

In a darkened room, a mysterious figure watches viewscreens playing back scenes from the other movie(s). A metal-gauntleted hand reaches out and throws a switch, and a shadowy figure in a cloak is seen walking from the room...

[hoss20]

I'm with you, Daglob. With all of the CGI stuff movie studios are capable of, you would think someone would be chomping at the bit to recreate the cover of Fantastic Four #1. Yeah, the Mole Man isn't the most exciting villain in the world, but he fits the mold of a lot of the supervillains in movies; essentially pulling the strings and letting minions do the dirty work. Can you imagine how awesome all of those Moloids and other subterraneans would look? You would probably want to have some Victor Von Doom backstory in the first two movies. Throw the Super Skrull in the second movie and finish it off in the finale with Doom in all of his glory.

In a darkened room, a mysterious figure watches viewscreens playing back scenes from the other movie(s). A metal-gauntleted hand reaches out and throws a switch, and a shadowy figure in a cloak is seen walking from the room...

Sounds like a nice post-credits scene to me. 

[HarryTrotter]

I have to mention Mark Millar was the consultant for this movie.That probably explains a lot.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

It took them long enough, but the sequel has officially been pulled from it's release date.  It's still not cancelled yet, but it might as well be.

[BentonGrey]

Gah.  About time.  Sell it to Marvel already.

[kkhohoho]

Gah.  About time.  Sell it to Marvel already.

What I'd really like to see happen is that Marvel gets the rights, but decide to let Pixar make the film, seeing as they're both owned by Disney. After they did such a good job with a movie that is in every way shape and form the best FF film ever made despite not even being called FF, (the Incredibles,) it's safe to say they'd do a bang up job with an actual FF movie.

Mind you, that probably won't happen, but a man can dream.

[JeyNyce]

Lets just say that Marvel does get the rights back to the FF, it's kind of too late to add them into the MCU.  The FF was Marvel first superhero team and too see them after the avengers would be weird in my opinion.
Let's play a game then:

How would you bring the FF into the current MCU???

[baley]

How would you bring the FF into the current MCU?

Set it a decade or two after Agent Carter and make them slightly elder contemporaries with the first Ant-Man and the first Wasp. They are the quintessential '60s team and the setting might as well be part of their characters. They were kept from the public eye for ... reasons. Their successful anti-Skrull measures during 1968 --- the summers of assassinations and student revolutions --- inspired the need for the Avengers Initiative. Perhaps in the modern day they're called back into service when the Silver Surfer shows up as the scion of Galactus.

For my money, there is no Dr. Doom.

There could be some kind of time-travel plot making their movie a commentary on the grimdark parts of the MCU, a la Austin Powers or The Brady Bunch Movie, but that would be a bit much.

BTW: If I'm not mistaken, Reed Richards was alive to be targeted by Hydra during Winter Soldier.

[Talavar]

A period-piece set in the 60s of the MCU could be awesome, but I also think you could find a place for them post-Infinity War.  Whatever else Infinity War ends up being, it's going to be big, messy and very high stakes.  Afterwards, a movie more about family, adventure and humour could be a good palate cleanser. Play up the Fan 4's role as explorers of the unknown, play the angst way down, skip the origin, and it could work.

[baley]

After Infinity War, IMO, all bets are off. I have no idea how they're going to use Inhumans in the movie called Inhumans, and I'm betting that universes crashing together are going to be involved in those two Infinity War movies.

[HarryTrotter]

Or you could name the movie Future Foundation and work your way from there.Maybe have Annihilus as the bad guy and Doctor Doom as an ally.
Have similar approach like Marvel to Spider-man,assume people already know the origin story and are familiar with the setting.Because they probably are.
But MOST IMPORTANT-do not let Mark Millar near it!

[baley]

I just saw the first modern Batman movie, the one by Tim Burton with songs by Prince. It's dated --- but it's still one of the best superhero movies, I think, because it avoids wasting time on the origin story. The story is much more subtle than that, spending the first half hour building character, getting people talking about Batman, and that sort of thing. There are so many little touches in this movie that just work.

For that matter, for the first appearance of Bruce Wayne and Alfred and even Jack Napier (Joker) to a certain extent nobody has to address them by name, and nobody has to say that they're important to the story, and if you don't know anything about Batman or which actors are famous it isn't clear that you would care at all about these characters.

It isn't like people all knew Batman's origin story per se, only what they saw from the TV show --- but you can tell a Batman story, even the first in a franchise, without merely starting it at the beginning and telling an origin story. Bah! Heaven forbid a modern superhero movie could have that kind of subtlety!

[HarryTrotter]

^That my problem with a lot of adaptations.They hold you by the hand and lead you thru a whole origin story you heard 100 times.With the obligatory -With great power etc,etc...