AVENGERS: Age of Ultron

[HarryTrotter]

Good points:
Ultron is pretty great and Jeremy Renner improved a bit.
Bad points:
Everything else.
How much will it take for Hawkeyes family to be killed? 
And how are they planing to pull off Civil War if there is less then 10 people with superpowers?Civil Bar Brawl isnt that catchy.Please without the Inhumans from Agents...Just dont.

[crimsonquill]

How much will it take for Hawkeyes family to be killed? 
And how are they planing to pull off Civil War if there is less then 10 people with superpowers?Civil Bar Brawl isnt that catchy.Please without the Inhumans from Agents...Just dont.

Since they officially revealed that Season 3 of AoS is about "Secret Warriors".. MCU is going to be filled with new Inhumans being transformed (FOX owns Mutants.. so Inhumans will be the source of sudden power gain. It's part of the MCU and we just need to deal with it!) and the race between Skye's team to collect them all and Ward's new Hydra rising into power. These elements will be the key storylines going into where Captain America: Civil War begins next year. So, yes..  Inhumans WILL be moving into the MCU at large for being the huge upswing in new heroes and villains popping up everywhere. However, Secret Warriors (Skye's team) will be kept just to the series even thru Civil War because they will be collecting all of the heroes that will be moved into Avengers Academy (that's the huge training facility seen in Age Of Ultron) with Skye keeping her own selected team with her on the new BUS. So, expect to see all kinds of B-List and C-List heroes showing up this season from all over the Marvel comic index.

Spoiler

Now as for Hawkeye's family... well, Hawkeye officially retired from Avengers at the end of Age Of Ultron. Buuuuuttt yet Hawkeye is listed among the cast for Civil War and his family also is listed in the cast as well. What would be the reason why Hawkeye picks up his bow again? To protect his family and make sure their secret hidden life.. stays that way.

- CQ

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

If Tony's agenda would include putting their identity into the open--then yeah, that would probably do it.

[HarryTrotter]

I noticed the Avengers training facility at the end of the movie,thank you.
With 4 people in training.Honestly the whole thing with Terrigen mists leaking out and mutating people didnt really make sense,but hell,roll with it.
The lines in this movie...just...
Hes multiplying faster then catholic rabbits!Seriously,Nick,what does that even mean?
I cant have kids,Im a monster!
Lady,you just redefined insulting.

[crimsonquill]

I noticed the Avengers training facility at the end of the movie,thank you.
With 4 people in training.

You saw the training facility and the 4 new Avengers in costume.. but missed the dozens of young adults with drill instructors all over the scenes of that Academy. Guess you were busy twitching at the Whedon dialog.

There are students already there from the Index that Nick Fury already called into play. The Inhumans thing was just to give the MCU the "mutation" factor for more extreme powers without an origin.

- CQ

[HarryTrotter]

People running around the facility are never addressed as Avengers,so they could be SHIELD agents or something?Now,Im sure there is some tie-in episode that explains all that,but I dont care.
Dialog?Thats maybe a strong word.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

People running around the facility are never addressed as Avengers,so they could be SHIELD agents or something?Now,Im sure there is some tie-in episode that explains all that,but I dont care.
Dialog?Thats maybe a strong word.

They are not, in fact, SHIELD agents.  SHIELD as an organization is separate from the group assisting the Avengers although they did supply.

Spoiler

The new Helicarrier

[HarryTrotter]

Okay,so I gotta ask.How do you know that people running drills are the New Avengers?

[Tomato]

Because there's an entire show dedicated to SHIELD and what we saw at the end doesn't match up to them at all, nor does it feature any insignia or logos dedicated to SHIELD. If the trainees were shield, they'd have the logo on their uniforms. Furthermore, I don't think Cap would want SHIELD back in any capacity, much less be the one leading it.

[HarryTrotter]

So...they are training a bunch of ordinary people to be Avengers?Is Tony gonna give them all armor or something?
That wouldnt be suprising at this point.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

So...they are training a bunch of ordinary people to be Avengers?Is Tony gonna give them all armor or something?
That wouldnt be suprising at this point.

I think you are reading way to much into things. It's just a movie.  Relax.

[HarryTrotter]

I realise that.Not so sure about some other people. XD

[Talavar]

I noticed the Avengers training facility at the end of the movie,thank you.
With 4 people in training.Honestly the whole thing with Terrigen mists leaking out and mutating people didnt really make sense,but hell,roll with it.
The lines in this movie...just...
Hes multiplying faster then catholic rabbits!Seriously,Nick,what does that even mean?
I cant have kids,Im a monster!
Lady,you just redefined insulting.

Why doesn't the Terrigen mist thing make sense?  Random people are going to get exposed to it, and any with inhuman ancestry will get powers.  What's hard to follow there?

And like so much of the internet, you've decided two statements are actually one causal statement.  It's not that she's a monster because she can't have kids, but rather like Bruce, she can't have kids, and like Bruce, she sees herself as a monster.

And if you really don't understand the Catholic rabbits statement, then I don't know what to say, other than that someone who doesn't get it probably shouldn't be criticizing writing.

[HarryTrotter]

^Yes,if I dont like the same thing a you,that makes me an idiot.Didnt see that one coming.
Terrigen mist doesnt just work for random people.And now every superhero is gonna be part Inhuman?Belivable.
IIRC it was:I cant have children.Your not the only monster here.Yeah,thats open for interpretation.
And seriously you think Catholic rabbits is good writing?Again,seriously? XD
There is nothing to gett in that line,btw.But you just trying to insult,so why why you care what I said? XD

[Tomato]

Guys, tread lightly. This discussion is starting to deteriorate, and I don't want things to deteriorate into personal attacks. Again. If you are not capable of making comments without insulting people, DO NOT POST.

That said, Spade, I'm gonna PM you an explanation of the Catholic thing. Because there IS something to get there, but this isn't the place for it.

[HarryTrotter]

Let me make it clear.I was just baffled how dumb the line is in given situation.I KNOW WHAT HE MEANT.

[JeyNyce]

Hey Guys, just remember that it's just a movie.  An awesome movie, but still just a movie.  On a side note, I'm looking forward to the DVD/ Blu-ray to see what was left out.

[crimsonquill]

On a side note, I'm looking forward to the DVD/ Blu-ray to see what was left out.

Completely agree! Remember folks there was almost an HOUR of footage removed from the final film because of scenes that Whedon shot but had to cut down and then Marvel asked him to add all of their tie-in scenes on top of it all.

So, we know there is...

A. Extended Scene In Hel/Asgard with Loki and Heimdall (which we only caught like 30 seconds of the entire scene).
B. Extended Scene In The Pool Of Sight (which we also only caught like 60 seconds of the entire scene) including the Water Spirit which we only caught a glipse of in the trailers.
C. Extended Scene Of Black Widow's Past In The Red Room
D. The Missing Scene Of Hulk's Vision (rumored to be about him seeing the world turning against The Hulk).
E. Extended Scene Of Vision's Origin

and several other scenes.. including a few that never got past the storyboarding stage (least that is the rumor).

- CQ

[BentonGrey]

Man, I want to see ALL of those things!

[Shogunn2517]

You know, I'm not going to be anywhere nearly as critical as Spade is, but I see what he's saying (to an extent).

IMO, the show (MAOS) and the movies are purposely following different tracks.  I think they're not coordinating together, but the show is trying to keep in the movies consistancy.  That said, if the movie has different looks than the show, that's because I don't think they're paying that much attention to what the show is doing.  I doubt the Inhumans movie will pay attention to what the show did.  This also includes the "cadets" at the Avengers facility at the end of the movie.  I don't see how it's remotely possible they are anything but SHIELD agents.  I mean if Captain America had a problem with SHIELD being over protective, how is he suppose to be okay with building an army of Avengers rather than a team?  I mean, he's clearly happy to have SHIELD's help, but his team of Avengers ARE the Avengers(Black Widow, War Machine, Falcon, Vision, Scarlet Witch).  They will be THE ONLY Avengers in Civil War.  Hulk is gone.  Thor is gone.  Hawkeye and Iron Man are reserved members or retired.  They in fact might be on the other side, with SHIELD and Black Panther of the civil war of Captain America: Civil War.  So, no, it won't be a 50 vs 50 or 20 vs 20 brawl.  There will be heroes involved.  But the only folks Capt will have are his Avengers.  Iron Man may have SHIELD, I expect Black Panther(who might be the "Spiderman role"), and maybe Ant-Man based on Pym's prior connections.  And ultimately, MAOS will tie itself in and it will be really cool, but those guys running around the Avengers facility, can't possibly be "Avengers".  Can't imagine a circumstance they would have powers.  That's just a little too much.  Why would they introduce off camera heroes?  That doesn't make sense to me.

[JeyNyce]

This is what I think and then can we please put this to rest before it gets out of hand?

I'm not sure who those people were at the end of Age of Ultron.  The could be SHIELD agents or Stark employees or a combination of the two who are now working for Cap and the Avengers (Remember Tony did say that Cap was the boss).  The whole civil war thing could involved the Inhumans up to a point.  Remember that SHIELD has a list of people who have powers and after what happen in AoU, people may get afraid of super powered people which may start the reg act which would start the civil war.  Like I said, this is just me guessing.

[HarryTrotter]

Why would they even want to adapt Civil War,I dont know.But obviously it will be very loosely adapted.

[Shogunn2517]

This is what I think and then can we please put this to rest before it gets out of hand?

I'm not sure who those people were at the end of Age of Ultron.  The could be SHIELD agents or Stark employees or a combination of the two who are now working for Cap and the Avengers (Remember Tony did say that Cap was the boss).  The whole civil war thing could involved the Inhumans up to a point.  Remember that SHIELD has a list of people who have powers and after what happen in AoU, people may get afraid of super powered people which may start the reg act which would start the civil war.  Like I said, this is just me guessing.

I hear you.  Also keep in mind they just revealed that season 3's SIELD's superhero team will be Secret Warriors.  Whatever that means and if/how it connects to the Avengers is still a mystery.

[BWPS]

Why would they even want to adapt Civil War,I dont know.But obviously it will be very loosely adapted.

Because it's awesome. Everything you like is bad, everything you don't like is good.

[Talavar]

^Yes,if I dont like the same thing a you,that makes me an idiot.Didnt see that one coming.
Terrigen mist doesnt just work for random people.And now every superhero is gonna be part Inhuman?Belivable.
IIRC it was:I cant have children.Your not the only monster here.Yeah,thats open for interpretation.
And seriously you think Catholic rabbits is good writing?Again,seriously? XD
There is nothing to gett in that line,btw.But you just trying to insult,so why why you care what I said? XD

Disregarding most of this, because whatever, but bunches of inhumans in the regular population is something Marvel has been pushing for a while now.  "Every superhero" is hyperbolic nonsense, but this lets them introduce powered people whenever they feel like.  Inhumans are the new mutants, at least for the MCU.

[JeyNyce]

This is the way I see it, Civil War is just like the comic, but instead of Super heroes, replace it with Inhumans.  This will also will have the same sub-plot as X-men as not being treat fair.  This one of the good/ bad thing with comics these days.  Given a certain situation, the people it affects are interchangeable.  Replace Mutants with Inhumans, Ta-Da!

[HarryTrotter]

@BWPS Thanks for that.I havent laughed like this in a long time. XD
But your obviously Mark Millar fan,and I try to avoid persons like you.Expecialy if they act like a fifth grader.Which they ussualy are. XD
Always the same 3 persons and their petty insults.You have monopoly on Marvel thread or what? XD

[BWPS]

@BWPS Thanks for that.I havent laughed like this in a long time. XD
But your obviously Mark Millar fan,and I try to avoid persons like you.Expecialy if they act like a fifth grader.Which they ussualy are. XD
Always the same 3 persons and their petty insults.You have monopoly on Marvel thread or what? XD

I just like stooping to levels.

[HarryTrotter]

@BWPS Thanks for that.I havent laughed like this in a long time. XD
But your obviously Mark Millar fan,and I try to avoid persons like you.Expecialy if they act like a fifth grader.Which they ussualy are. XD
Always the same 3 persons and their petty insults.You have monopoly on Marvel thread or what? XD

I just like stooping to levels.

You obviously a sock puppet,so Im just ignoring you. 

[JeyNyce]

Stop with the insults and name calling.  We are adults (I hope) talking about a movie that we either love, hate, or have mixed feeling about.  We do not always agreed, but we do hear each other opinions with respect.  If anybody have a problem with this please let me know.  Thank you