Game of Thrones

[Shogunn2517]

To each his own. But I, myself put every major plot development in spoilers. That way anyone who doesn't want to get spoiled can read the entire thread without any risks and see whether people recommend the show or not. This way both people who are up to date and those who are behind can discuss without any risks. Anyone who watched the show can open the spoilers and discuss freely.

The only reason I mentioned separate thread was to discuss things that are yet to happen, since I don't see the point discussing that unless you've read the books.

This is what I mean though.  Some folks are putting SPOILER on their post and I'm not entirely confident at all that they are just talking about the TV show.  I'd like to think they're talking about the show, I'd like to talk about it, but just putting SPOILERS about plots and characters of things currently happening in the book but not the show, particularly on a thread about the show, is gravely misleading.

[Shogunn2517]

But oddly enough, on topic of the show... Which might be doing what I'm asking for those who read the book to NOT do.

In other words, despite not even cracking a page of the books open once, I might be spoiling the TV series with this question...

Has anyone noticed...

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that pretty much everything Melisandre has predicted since season 2 has come true?

Since the premiere of the second season, I would begin each season by watching the entire series, one episode a night to end on the Saturday night before the start of the season.  While dong this for this season I noticed that its pretty much true.

[HarryTrotter]

^Voodo leeches do work.Oh yeah,Balon has yet to die.

[bat1987]

So,I hope the next episode is finaly Wildlings attacking the wall?

Yup, def seems that way. Should be pretty epic.

[HarryTrotter]

Some action would be great.This season overall was very slow.Im not sure if I will be watching the next season.

[bat1987]

It is a bit of a slower season. But i think the dialogue is strong enough and there were some pretty big moments, so I enjoyed the season for sure.

[HarryTrotter]

Imo the show degenerated after season 2.Or I just got bored of it.
Villans always wining is repetative,frankly.

[Reepicheep]

Good God, you people don't know how hard it is to NOT want to click on those SPOILERS.  It's too much to resist.  Especially when they're given NO sort of prefix like with Reepicheep just did.  Are you talking about the guy who just died in Tyrion's trial or are you talking about the death of another Baretheon?  I never read the books and I'm not saying that's happening.  I'm just remarking on the paradox of wanting to talk about a book on a thread about a TV show where this stuff doesn't happen.

Seriously Reepicheep.  What are you talking about?  Are you trying to discuss what just happened in the last episode or episodes prior without trying to spoil for someone who hasn't caught up yet or are you talking about a book?  Because there's a big difference.  Huge difference.  And you're not even saying which, which I may assume with this being a thread about a TV show, you want to talk about a TV show, but click on your tag and you tell me something that's going to happen midway through next season...

Apologies for the confusion! I haven't read the books and my limited horizons on the internet have gifted me with a blissful ignorance of what is happening next. My post was a comment on how banal Starman's hint was, since major characters drop like flies on this show - I'd be more surprised if we get to the end of the season with a 100% survival. This spoiler is for you, 100% uneducated speculation!

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It was a quote from Sir Jorah. I think he's the next major to die. Or at least soon. This show has a habit of preparing someone for a major development, then killing them.

But yes, I would rather be surprised. Please do refrain from giving suggestions or hints as to what is happening next, even if it is imminent. Instead, please lean back in your chair and smile sagely and knowingly, that we are all suffering in suspense and you are elevated in your omniscience. Otherwise the folks who are watching the show sans book will be avoiding discussion in this thread.

[HarryTrotter]

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^Jorah will not die.

[Reepicheep]

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^Jorah will not die.

Don't tell me this stuff! Now I have to go back to speculating!

[HarryTrotter]

Its impossible to have internet and not know these things.

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Tywin
Ygreete

are marked for death.

[Starman]

Spade, seriously ...

[HarryTrotter]

Come on people it like not knowing Titanic sinks...

[BentonGrey]

Spade, that is really not cool.  If people don't want to be told what happens in a story, even if it seems glaringly obvious to you, it is mean-spirited to tell them.

[Tomato]

Ok guys, here's what we're going to do, since some of you seem incapable of NOT talking about spoilers and this is starting to get out of hand.

For spoilers for the show itself, you do this:

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I'm a spoiler about the show. I'd put something here, but since I don't actually watch GoT, I know nothing to spoil

If you are determined to talk about the book spoilers, or if you have a reasonable suspicion that something THAT HAS NOT YET AIRED is going to happen, do this:

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I'm a book spoiler. Because even though a good five members requested that you not spoil stuff from the books, people just can't help poking the tiger.

Fair enough?

[stumpy]

I have edited a couple posts to put spoiler tags around the reveals. It only takes a second to use the spoiler tags. And, in a thread where so many posts have been about how people don't want to hear book-informed spoilers about what's going to come, using the spoiler tags is a trivially easy courtesy.

If people who have read the books want to discuss how the books and the television series differ or how soon the plot points in the books are likely to appear on the TV show or similar topics, just start another thread. "Game of Thrones: Book Learnin' Edition" would do nicely. ;-) [EDIT] Or adopt a system for spoilers, like the one Tomato proposes above.

[HarryTrotter]

We are actually doing very little disscusion here about the show.Ok lets use spolilers,not that everyone is gona click them anyway.
So lets get the ball rolling,anyone?

[stumpy]

I had a comment about Daenerys. I like that they are making her wiser as time goes on. Her move in the last episode

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where she changes her mind about summarily executing the Wise Masters of Yunkai, was a smart move tactically. On top of showing mercy that will increase her popularity among the people (while still taking blood from unrepentant Masters), she will gain allies by doing things that way. She is giving a choice to those who live and their taking the way out that she offers them will be seen as an endorsement of her regime. But, she is additionally clever by having Jorah tell Daario that Jorah changed her mind on the matter. That gives Jorah something to save a bit a of face, since he is clearly jealous of the physical encounter Daario has had with Daenerys. And, it lets Daario know that their encounter doesn't elevate him in influence over her other advisers.

On the other hand, either she is less wise than she would seem to be from scenes like that one, or the show is pulling some Three's Company-esque miscommunication games.

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It's not surprising that Daenerys is upset to find that Jorah was sent to her and has been sending information back to Varys. But, her decision to toss him out is ill-considered. First, while he obviously feels some obligation to Varys, I think it's clear that Jorah is loyal to her. Second, from what we have seen, he has only sent Varys information that pretty much anyone following her movements (even from a distance) would know. Even her pregnancy wasn't really much of a secret. Third, why not use his position as a known mole to send disinformation back to Varys, when it suits her? A well-timed misdirect when she is planning an attack somewhere could be a huge advantage to her.

And, I understand that she has an axe to grind against Varys, but that's all the more reason to use his own weapons against him.

[HarryTrotter]

IMO she did some stupid things lately.

[Reepicheep]

On the other hand, either she is less wise than she would seem to be from scenes like that one, or the show is pulling some Three's Company-esque miscommunication games.

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It's not surprising that Daenerys is upset to find that Jorah was sent to her and has been sending information back to Varys. But, her decision to toss him out is ill-considered. First, while he obviously feels some obligation to Varys, I think it's clear that Jorah is loyal to her. Second, from what we have seen, he has only sent Varys information that pretty much anyone following her movements (even from a distance) would know. Even her pregnancy wasn't really much of a secret. Third, why not use his position as a known mole to send disinformation back to Varys, when it suits her? A well-timed misdirect when she is planning an attack somewhere could be a huge advantage to her.

And, I understand that she has an axe to grind against Varys, but that's all the more reason to use his own weapons against him.

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If I'm watching it right, I would say that Daenerys is choosing to settle down and rethink invading Westeros. By choosing that moment to banish Sir Friendzone, he can only reveal that she isn't posing a threat to the realm. That may be her own way of feeding (false?) information, while also eliminating Jorah as a spy.

Spade:

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Dammit, Spade!

I never finished watching Titanic!

[stumpy]

Spade:

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Dammit, Spade!

I never finished watching Titanic!

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No worries. I am pretty sure everything turned out okay. It didn't get much plot development in the early part of the movie, but there was a secret evil bad guy, Count VonMoustachetwirl, who was planning on kidnapping Rose. However, he slipped on some spit on the deck and fell overboard. He landed in just the right spot to cushion the Titanic from the ice berg and there was only minimal damage to the ship. But, part of the refrigeration unit for the kitchens was disabled and the passengers had no choice but to eat the delicious ice creams and cakes before they went bad. The movie ends with Jack and Rose happily sitting together overlooking the waters near the Grand Banks, their faces still covered in chocolate sauce and cream cheese icing, as Jack looks adoringly on several polar bears riding the ice floes and comments that he hopes it never gets so warm that the polar bears disappear. Fin. 

[Reepicheep]

Spade:

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Dammit, Spade!

I never finished watching Titanic!

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No worries. I am pretty sure everything turned out okay. It didn't get much plot development in the early part of the movie, but there was a secret evil bad guy, Count VonMoustachetwirl, who was planning on kidnapping Rose. However, he slipped on some spit on the deck and fell overboard. He landed in just the right spot to cushion the Titanic from the ice berg and there was only minimal damage to the ship. But, part of the refrigeration unit for the kitchens was disabled and the passengers had no choice but to eat the delicious ice creams and cakes before they went bad. The movie ends with Jack and Rose happily sitting together overlooking the waters near the Grand Banks, their faces still covered in chocolate sauce and cream cheese icing, as Jack looks adoringly on several polar bears riding the ice floes and comments that he hopes it never gets so warm that the polar bears disappear. Fin. 

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So who was Keyser Soze?

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Sorry for derailment

[Shogunn2517]

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^Jorah will not die.

Case in point.....

I'm not even looking at this as I type hoping I saw a NOT or didn't are  something to tell me that I didn't read what I just freaking read trying to tell people to STOP SPOILING THE SHOW!

[Talavar]

On Dany & Jorah:

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I think Dany acted with understandable emotion regarding Jorah - he was her most trusted, longstanding ally, and he'd betrayed her from the start.  The poisoning while she was pregnant was also key; sure, Jorah saved her, but he was also the reason the poisoner was there in the first place.  What she did makes sense, but may not have been the most politically savvy move.

I personally think the 3rd and 4th seasons are high marks for the show.  The first two seasons, while still very entertaining, had too many instances where you could see the low budget.  Crowd scenes with ten people, supposedly major cities that felt like sets, and so on.  The recent episode showing Roose Bolton's army in the north was impressive, or the well done scale of Meereen.  HBO has clearly relaxed the purse strings, which is fitting considering Game of Thrones has passed the Sopranos as the most-watched cable show.

[Shogunn2517]

On the other hand, either she is less wise than she would seem to be from scenes like that one, or the show is pulling some Three's Company-esque miscommunication games.

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It's not surprising that Daenerys is upset to find that Jorah was sent to her and has been sending information back to Varys. But, her decision to toss him out is ill-considered. First, while he obviously feels some obligation to Varys, I think it's clear that Jorah is loyal to her. Second, from what we have seen, he has only sent Varys information that pretty much anyone following her movements (even from a distance) would know. Even her pregnancy wasn't really much of a secret. Third, why not use his position as a known mole to send disinformation back to Varys, when it suits her? A well-timed misdirect when she is planning an attack somewhere could be a huge advantage to her.

And, I understand that she has an axe to grind against Varys, but that's all the more reason to use his own weapons against him.

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If I'm watching it right, I would say that Daenerys is choosing to settle down and rethink invading Westeros. By choosing that moment to banish Sir Friendzone, he can only reveal that she isn't posing a threat to the realm. That may be her own way of feeding (false?) information, while also eliminating Jorah as a spy.

That's kind of what I was thinking too...  Lol@Sir Friendzone though.  Good one.

[Shogunn2517]

On Dany & Jorah:

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I think Dany acted with understandable emotion regarding Jorah - he was her most trusted, longstanding ally, and he'd betrayed her from the start.  The poisoning while she was pregnant was also key; sure, Jorah saved her, but he was also the reason the poisoner was there in the first place.  What she did makes sense, but may not have been the most politically savvy move.

I personally think the 3rd and 4th seasons are high marks for the show.  The first two seasons, while still very entertaining, had too many instances where you could see the low budget.  Crowd scenes with ten people, supposedly major cities that felt like sets, and so on.  The recent episode showing Roose Bolton's army in the north was impressive, or the well done scale of Meereen.  HBO has clearly relaxed the purse strings, which is fitting considering Game of Thrones has passed the Sopranos as the most-watched cable show.

I actually remember hearing them say that where it would take them months to film certain scenes in the first two seasons only takes a matter of days by season 4.  So not only has the production value increased, they know what they're doing now and it's making the show easier to produce as well, which bodes well for it continuing another 2-3 seasons, where other HBO shows are dropping off like flies!

[Shogunn2517]

Great episode!

Good action.  Very cinematic.  Really loved the scene where it showed the fight across the entire castle.  Feel a little cheated out of about 8 minutes of my hour though.

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Sad to see some of the long time characters go.  Pyp and Grenn.  Guess with this being GoT and this being a major battle it was to be expected.  Would have appreciated Gilly putting a knife through Janos' eyeball or something.

But did anyone ACTUALLY see Thorne die?

Any thoughts on next week?

[bat1987]

Yup very focused and fun episode

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-Alliser was actually an effective leader eventhough he realised he should've listened to Jon regarding the tunnel. Can't say I've seen him ACTUALLY dying shogunn.
-Ygritte being killed by the boy was something I deffinitely saw coming. Also expected the"You know nothing Jon Snow" moment.
-Sam was so, so, but definitely more likable than usual IMO.
-Pyp and Grenn RIP 
-That massive arrow shot was epic and so was the Giant rushing the gate.

No idea what to expect next week. Looking forward to returning to King's landing in any case.

[Reepicheep]

Holy moly, that was a crazy hour of my life. Don't even know where to start.

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I'm not convinced Alliser is dead. I don't particularly dislike him, so I didn't find myself cheering when he was killed/injured. Unlike that bald maniac guy. He had to go. No better way than a punctured skull.

There were some amazing visual bits to this. Absolutely stunning to watch. I will definitely second the nod to the giant's arrow.

But very sad about Pyp and Grenn. I'm pleased to see that Sam survived, though - I was so certain he'd die when he promised he wouldn't.

(On the book:)

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I read up to try and see if Alliser was dead. Interestingly in the books, both Pyp and Grenn survive the battle while two other minor characters that haven't appeared in the series met their ends. Goes to show that even those who have read the book may still be surprised by the series.

But yeah, I've been in way more anticipation about Tyrion's fate than I was with the wall. Kinda bittersweet to have it postponed a week. Maybe.

[captmorgan72]

I am getting a good laugh at this thread. I haven't read the books so I don't know what is coming next. I stay away from anything GoT related online because of spoilers. I saw this thread and looked (not read) and its turning into pretty much spoiler tags.