AVENGERS: Age of Ultron

[deano_ue]

behold the subtitle of the next avengers movie




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[Talavar]

Interesting.  Ultron makes for a great villain, and very different from Loki, but I don't see how that plays into Whedon's comments about making a "more personal" Avengers movie for the sequel, when Hank Pym isn't even on the team.

Also, I hope this has nothing to do with the recent comic event of the same name, barring the villain.

[Podmark]

Well I'd expect that Hank will be in this one. Whedon wanted him in the first one anyway, just couldn't find room.

Good choice for villain.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Hank could possibly be in it pre-Antman with the Antman movie following after the Avengers.

If Pym isn't in it, though, I will be upset.

[deano_ue]

Interesting.  Ultron makes for a great villain, and very different from Loki, but I don't see how that plays into Whedon's comments about making a "more personal" Avengers movie for the sequel, when Hank Pym isn't even on the team.

Also, I hope this has nothing to do with the recent comic event of the same name, barring the villain.

how is it not personal, no matter how he comes into being be it by pym alone or a combo of pym/stark/banner. the idea is the avengers have created they're own villain. they are responsible for ultrons existence

and they have confirmed its only the name of the arc being used

[BentonGrey]

I'm super excited about the villain, and I'm also really happy to hear that this is only a title, and not an adaptation of the event.  TUE, yeah, I think you're right.  This could certainly be a personal story.  I also hope we get Hank Pym, but I really hope he's in it as Ant-Man, though that seems radically unlikely given the Ant-Man movie's insistence on using the second guy, who I could care less about.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Perhaps they plan on having Pym as Ant-Man in Avengers 2 (perhaps being introduced in a different movie before that) with the events of the movie causing him to quit and leading to the next Ant-Man.

[Talavar]

Interesting.  Ultron makes for a great villain, and very different from Loki, but I don't see how that plays into Whedon's comments about making a "more personal" Avengers movie for the sequel, when Hank Pym isn't even on the team.

Also, I hope this has nothing to do with the recent comic event of the same name, barring the villain.

how is it not personal, no matter how he comes into being be it by pym alone or a combo of pym/stark/banner. the idea is the avengers have created they're own villain. they are responsible for ultrons existence

and they have confirmed its only the name of the arc being used

They've also confirmed no Hank Pym.  Ultron will come about in some other way.

[BWPS]

They don't need Antman/Hank Pym at all. The group is just fine without him, and it makes more sense to reveal that Tony created Ultron and then forgot about it. I think it'll be a really cool story for the movie but I wonder about Thanos being in the end of the first movie. Is he going to be part of this too still or just the villain of Guardians of the Galaxy?

[BentonGrey]

Everything I've read points to Thanos JUST being the GoG villain, which is a bit sad because he's such a cool opponent.

Talavar, bah!  BWPS, I disagree.  They are fine as they are, but they're GOING to be getting new characters, so they may as well get one of the classic Avengers.

[steamteck]

They don't need Antman/Hank Pym at all. The group is just fine without him, and it makes more sense to reveal that Tony created Ultron and then forgot about it. I think it'll be a really cool story for the movie but I wonder about Thanos being in the end of the first movie. Is he going to be part of this too still or just the villain of Guardians of the Galaxy?

I think for this universe Tony makes more sense as a extension of his Jarvis style Ai and the AI run suits. Hank would be kind of left field. I hope Thanos is around somewhere pulling the strings. I have faith in Whedon.

[BentonGrey]

They don't need Antman/Hank Pym at all. The group is just fine without him, and it makes more sense to reveal that Tony created Ultron and then forgot about it. I think it'll be a really cool story for the movie but I wonder about Thanos being in the end of the first movie. Is he going to be part of this too still or just the villain of Guardians of the Galaxy?

I think for this universe Tony makes more sense as a extension of his Jarvis style Ai and the AI run suits. Hank would be kind of left field. I hope Thanos is around somewhere pulling the strings. I have faith in Whedon.

Despite Iron Man 3, I still am giving Marvel a huge chunk of the benefit of the doubt.  I absolutely have full confidence in Whedon, as well.

[Podmark]

Yeah it makes sense to use Tony instead of Hank. That should work just fine.

It is kinda odd that they'd introduce Thanos at the end of Avengers and then go with Ultron, especially since from what I've been hearing the Collector is the main villain of GotG. Perhaps Thanos is being saved for Avengers 3.

[thalaw2]

I like Ultron and all, but I also really want to see Thanos.  Going with IM as creating Ultron is cool with me.  If the movie went in this direction it wouldn't be the first story in which Tony had a significant contribution to the bad bot.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

I suppose maybe.  I just hate changing who created him.  Within the timeline of the movie universe, it does make sense though.

I wonder if maybe Tony, in retiring from superheroics, creates Ultron to replace him so he can stay at home with Pepper, but has to create a new set of armor when that plan turns out the way building Ultron always turns out.

[BlueBard]

I'm going to disagree with the idea that Stark as Ultron's creator is the best path.  It's the easy path.

I think it's also possible for S.H.I.E.L.D. to be responsible, perhaps with a bit of "acquired" StarkTech, and they could even make references to an unnamed scientist who later turns out to be Hank Pym (which also covers the bases for an AntMan).

If they stick with the idea that Ultron is constructed of Admantium, and go with Stark as the creator, then you have to admit that Stark knows how to work Admantium.  That being the case, then why wouldn't Stark create an Admantium Iron Man suit and make himself practically indestructable?

Then there's the other thing about Ultron... in the MU his personality is derived from that of Hank Pym himself, since Ultron's programming included Pym's own brain pattern.  Pym's legendary instability is at least partly to blame for Ultron's corruption.

Now it's not a huge stretch to swap out Pym's instability for Stark's.  Not to mention the arrogance and the belief that better technology can solve every problem.  But Tony Stark isn't even slightly sociopathic.  I try to imagine how a Tony Stark based Ultron would think, how it would come to believe that humans need to be exterminated, and I just can't get my head around it.

Plus, I just can't see him building an Ultron.  He's already been shown as accepting the idea that he's the right guy to use the Iron Man technology, and from what I know about IM3 (still haven't seen it   ) he'll have even greater motivations to make sure he's the one in control of it.  Building an autonomous self-aware robot goes against that.

I know, all of that stuff can be explained away and Stark is still a logical choice.  It's just too predictable.  They also need to do something to make Ultron feel less like Skynet and Terminator all rolled into one.  Some outside influence involved in Ultron's corruption would make a better story.

[Talavar]

I'm going to disagree with the idea that Stark as Ultron's creator is the best path.  It's the easy path.

I think it's also possible for S.H.I.E.L.D. to be responsible, perhaps with a bit of "acquired" StarkTech, and they could even make references to an unnamed scientist who later turns out to be Hank Pym (which also covers the bases for an AntMan).

If they stick with the idea that Ultron is constructed of Admantium, and go with Stark as the creator, then you have to admit that Stark knows how to work Admantium.  That being the case, then why wouldn't Stark create an Admantium Iron Man suit and make himself practically indestructable?

Then there's the other thing about Ultron... in the MU his personality is derived from that of Hank Pym himself, since Ultron's programming included Pym's own brain pattern.  Pym's legendary instability is at least partly to blame for Ultron's corruption.

Now it's not a huge stretch to swap out Pym's instability for Stark's.  Not to mention the arrogance and the belief that better technology can solve every problem.  But Tony Stark isn't even slightly sociopathic.  I try to imagine how a Tony Stark based Ultron would think, how it would come to believe that humans need to be exterminated, and I just can't get my head around it.

Plus, I just can't see him building an Ultron.  He's already been shown as accepting the idea that he's the right guy to use the Iron Man technology, and from what I know about IM3 (still haven't seen it   ) he'll have even greater motivations to make sure he's the one in control of it.  Building an autonomous self-aware robot goes against that.

I know, all of that stuff can be explained away and Stark is still a logical choice.  It's just too predictable.  They also need to do something to make Ultron feel less like Skynet and Terminator all rolled into one.  Some outside influence involved in Ultron's corruption would make a better story.

They may make Stark only be involved in creating the Ultron AI, which then goes on to build its own autonomous, adamantium robot bodies.

[BlueBard]

They may make Stark only be involved in creating the Ultron AI, which then goes on to build its own autonomous, adamantium robot bodies.

Granted.  Even granting that the programming could be based on Jarvis.

I still think that if they abandon the mad-scientist creator route, some outside agent with their own agenda acting to corrupt the AI somehow would fit better than a Stark creation going out of control all by itself.  That could be the seed for future plotlines.

And even then, Ultron's biggest weakness has always been his personality.  There's no reason for a self-aware machine to develop a personality like Ultron's unless it were somehow derived from a human personality.  And Ultron without the personality is just Skynet in a Terminator body.  Ho-hum.

It can't be just another killer robot story.  It's got to be Ultron in all of his paranoid, egotistic, and malicious glory or it's not Ultron.

[Panther_Gunn]

If we stick with the S.H.I.E.L.D. tangent as the origin for Ultron, they've got their hands on recovered Hydra tech that could easily be the source for some such corruption, even going as far as finding some sort of crude encephalitic recording device, which transfers a pattern that's already stored (Red Skull, Zemo, etc) instead of the one they intend to use.  It does throw a big monkey-wrench into the whole "destroy my creator" angle that Ultron likes to follow, but it's something that could be written around.

[hoss20]

I don't mean to go off topic, but since the subject of Adamantium is being brought up, I  have a question. Now, I don't recall what they mentioned Cap's shield is made from in the movies (we all know it's an adamantium/vibranium alloy). Being that adamantium is mentioned in the X-men movies, whose movie rights are not owned by Marvel, then Ultron will have to be made from some other material. I know that there is an extended list of characters that were signed over with the X-men rights, like every mutant created by Marvel, but I don't know if materials and the like fall in there, as well. I am only going by memory here, so those better informed, please correct me.

As far as Ultron in Avengers 2, I love it only if there is an Avengers 3 with Thanos. I don't think this is too out of the realm of possibility with all successful superhero movies going the route of the trilogy. You can't end things much bigger than with Thanos, plus with Ultron as the second villain, it gives us, arguably, the number one Avengers villain and someone we would all love to see on screen.

[MJB]

I don't mean to go off topic, but since the subject of Adamantium is being brought up, I  have a question. Now, I don't recall what they mentioned Cap's shield is made from in the movies (we all know it's an adamantium/vibranium alloy). Being that adamantium is mentioned in the X-men movies, whose movie rights are not owned by Marvel, then Ultron will have to be made from some other material. I know that there is an extended list of characters that were signed over with the X-men rights, like every mutant created by Marvel, but I don't know if materials and the like fall in there, as well.

In the Captain America movie they specifically stated that the prototype shield was made of vibranium. No mention of adamantium was made and this was by design. Fox received the rights to the Marvel created alloy when they purchased X-Men.

[BlueBard]

I don't mean to go off topic, but since the subject of Adamantium is being brought up, I  have a question. Now, I don't recall what they mentioned Cap's shield is made from in the movies (we all know it's an adamantium/vibranium alloy). Being that adamantium is mentioned in the X-men movies, whose movie rights are not owned by Marvel, then Ultron will have to be made from some other material. I know that there is an extended list of characters that were signed over with the X-men rights, like every mutant created by Marvel, but I don't know if materials and the like fall in there, as well.

In the Captain America movie they specifically stated that the prototype shield was made of vibranium. No mention of adamantium was made and this was by design. Fox received the rights to the Marvel created alloy when they purchased X-Men.

I dunno... would they really have given them exclusive rights to adamantium?  CAN they?  Apparently the name of this metal has been used outside the Marvel universe.

At best, they maybe licensed the copyrights to Marvel's version of it.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

In addition there are somethings that are not exclusive to the license.  There are a couple of mutant characters, I believe, which can be used by the Avengers and by the X-Men license.  THey cannot be called mutants, however.

[Ares_God_of_War]

Yeah, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch will be in both Days of Future Past and Avengers 2. I hope Ultron is a SHIELD creation and you find out later that Pym was a big part of it. Basing Ultron of Tony or Jarvis just makes me think we would have the most sarcastic robot apocalypse ever.

[BlueBard]

Basing Ultron of Tony or Jarvis just makes me think we would have the most sarcastic robot apocalypse ever.

+1 to Ares!

[Podmark]

Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige recently heavily hinted that Iron Man will be responsible for Ultron's creation, and that Hank Pym will have a very big role in Ant-Man.
That gives us a decent hint how they're going to handle things but still we'll have to wait and see.

[Ares_God_of_War]

The change disappoints me. Hank doesn't have too many things that are memorable about him and the other thing people would bring up I do not want to see played out. The ONLY thing having Tony make Ultron could possibly add it a way to tell the Demon in a Bottle story with his guilt being a replacement for booze. I hope that they can give Hank something more interesting so that people will be drawn in and I REALLY hope we don't get the movie version of the slap heard round the world.

[captmorgan72]

Ultron will be played by http://us.cnn.com/2013/08/29/showbiz/movies/james-spader-ultron-avengers/index.html?hpt=hp_c4

[Tomato]

As a fan of James' performance in Boston Legal, James Spader definitely has the acting chops... but maybe because I'm so familiar with the show, I'm having a hard time picturing the man who sat on a porch smoking cigars with William Shatner at the end of almost every episode as the heartless Ultron of the comics.

[captmorgan72]

As a fan of James' performance in Boston Legal, James Spader definitely has the acting chops... but maybe because I'm so familiar with the show, I'm having a hard time picturing the man who sat on a porch smoking cigars with William Shatner at the end of almost every episode as the heartless Ultron of the comics.

I'm right there with you Mato. I am a huge fan of Boston Legal and will forever remember James Spader as Alan Shore. The guy is a great actor and I can't wait to see what he does with this character.