Earth's Mightiest Heroes - Season 2

[Talavar]

All caught up now.  Thanks, detourne_me!

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I think this batch of new episodes is a nice return to form for the show.  The focus on the Secret Invasion wraps up that arc finally, and does it pretty well.  I like that we're seeing Captain America transition into a leadership role on the team, and to see most of the team in action together again.  I'm still loving their use of Ms. Marvel.  We also see the introduction of (another!) secret conspiracy, this one relating to Red Hulk, Doc Sampson and the Falcon - a weird mix of characters.  I'm a little sad that Red Hulk is even on this show, as I hate the character, but at least he didn't get introduced as crappily as in the comics. 

For the more standalone episodes, I enjoyed both more than some earlier in the season.  It was great to see Cap and Spider-man team up, and Cap's steadfast determination in the face of slander and libel.  Speaking of which - how is the Daily Bugle still in business?  Libel is a real, litigable offence; you'd think Spidey would own the paper by now.  The Vision's introduction and his mission to secure materials for Ultron were done well, and, based on episode descriptions, is going to be followed up on soon.

I agree about the 2nd season's opening credits; I thought the song was a little cheesy, but it was infinitely superior to what they're doing now.

[oldmanwinters]

I agree about the 2nd season's opening credits; I thought the song was a little cheesy, but it was infinitely superior to what they're doing now.

Oh, so DisneyXD aired the entire theme during Season 1?  That's at lest good to know.  I'd hate to think that you had to buy the DVDs to see the full thing.

Also, in what episodes have Marvel guest stars like Spider-man and Wolverine appeared?  I'd love to see those eps.

[captmorgan72]

I'm hoping to take advantage of this re-run period to catch up on a few early Season 2 episodes that I've missed.  I watched this weekend (and thought the whole thing could be easily adapted as a loose script for Avengers 2!), but I'm disappointed I have yet to see "The Private War of Doctor Doom" if only to see the Fantastic Four and Skrull Invisible Woman!

I missed the whole last half of Season 1 (only got to see the first 14 episodes on borrowed DVDs), so I'm confused about a lot but still following along with interest.

I am very disappointed in DisneyXD for chopping up the intro theme song and superimposing a lame voice-over narration over the epic "Bad City" song.  I have no idea why they would ruin one of the best ever cartoon intros in recent memory like that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbHLEOg5RPo

The lyrics just fit so perfectly well with the characters:
-Tormented and attacked (Hulk)

-Lost from when we wake (Captain America)

-With no way to go back (Thor)

-I'm standing on my own, but now I'm not alone (Iron Man)

Totally agree, the original intro song was fantastic.

[Talavar]

I agree about the 2nd season's opening credits; I thought the song was a little cheesy, but it was infinitely superior to what they're doing now.

Oh, so DisneyXD aired the entire theme during Season 1?  That's at lest good to know.  I'd hate to think that you had to buy the DVDs to see the full thing.

Also, in what episodes have Marvel guest stars like Spider-man and Wolverine appeared?  I'd love to see those eps.

Wolverine appeared briefly as 'Logan' during Captain America's origin episode set in WWII early in season 1, but (from a released publicity image) looks set to appear as Wolverine, in costume, at some time later in the season.

Spider-man appears in "Along Came a Spider," the 13th episode of the second season, which has not yet aired in the USA (but has in some international markets like Australia).

[MJB]

The rumors of cancellation have now been confirmed.

http://www.marveltvnews.com/2012/06/06/avengers-emh-officially-cancelled-to-be-replaced-by-avengers-assemble

In my opinion this season has been very hit or miss. It lacks the focus that season 1 had but it doesn't deserve to be cancelled. *sigh*

[captainawesome]

That stinks....
On the plus side, some new episodes are online.
Just saw "Powerless", it was pretty good.

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I loved how they made Thor limp around using a cane, great Don Blake tribute.

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[oldmanwinters]

On the plus side, some new episodes are online.

I figured I'd ask:

Is there an official, aka legal place to watch these episodes online?

[Talavar]

That's depressing.  Jeph Loeb, you are a jerk.

[danzrocker]

Though capawesome has perhaps already told you a good as well as indeed a legal website to watch the episodes online but if you are looking for something but similar and has several or at least more than ten mirrors for every episode of AEMH and much more.
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And indeed i as well would also consider this doing total injustice to the complete AEMH series consisting of an excellent and well presented season one and an almost great season two with a slightly weak unplanned plot, But then that does n`t mean Marvel should place a full stop here and cancel the entire epic avengers earth `mightiest heroes series meaning no more season 3 making the whole series totally incomplete.

In fact come to think of it why show cameos of the several major marvel characters and factions such as the x-men ,spiderman and several others in specific episodes when they never even intended to introduce them later on in the series indeed a great disappointment to all AEMH fans including me. Hell i thought or perhaps if Marvel would have tried perhaps introducing Scarlet Witch , Quicksilver ,a reborn Vision , Spider woman ,Wolverine , Hercules and Black Knight , Namor and some of the X-Men ,reintroduced War-Machine , Adam-Warlock , Giant-Man and Wonder man ,initiated the Marvel Civil War  , perhaps a war against Dr. Doom , Magneto , Red Skull or maybe who in the right mind to would n`t want them to finalize the saga with season 5 ending it with an epic final fight with the Death-God Thanos.

But Nooo! We are gonna torture the fans to kill all pure classics and just gonna fill our already frigging fat pockets with some more amounts of money replacing it with a crappy show just to fill the spot and to promote the merchandise of our beloved insanely super grosser blockbuster movie 'The Avengers' . What more do they want the film has already grossed 1 and a quarter billion dollars? I am actually referring to the Marvel Studios in this paragraph.

They are repeating the same stupidity , irrelevancy and complete injustice  as they did with one of the greatest superhero animated series and my all-time favorite 'Wolverine and the X-Men. It had a unique way of introducing new characters and had a totally perfect plot in fact the introduction of the ending of the final episode was a unique teaser for the upcoming season 2 had it been continued it would have been a great success . Comparing to the likes of Young Justice and several others. And funny i thought 'Wolverine and the X-Men' would have at least consisted of three seasons and Avengers Earth`s Mightiest Heroes would have surely consisted five season to make both true and complete sagas. And Yet again the Agendas of Marvel proved us wrong and tormented us with more and more crappy lies and excuses therefore AEMH like WATX has been discontinued.

Damn! I feel sorry for all the brainless idiots at Marvel Studios and indeed its a really sad news for several of us AEMH lovers and fans. Would n`t you agree? 

[Talavar]

Based on previous comments and discussions, this doesn't seem to be fueled by money so much as ego.  'Earth's Mightiest Heroes' started development before Jeph Loeb took over as media director or whatever his title is; he's on the record as saying he didn't like the show's large cast and ongoing storylines.  Basically, the show didn't have a chance because the new boss didn't like it from day-one. 

The new Avengers cartoon is likely to have Jeph Loeb's hands all over it, which means it'll be terrible (and supposedly more in line with the Ultimate Spider-man cartoon, which is also terrible).

Is it some sort of rule that DC must always have better cartoons than Marvel?

[Tomato]

If anyone wants to read a more unedited version of my feelings on this subject, they're on my tumblr (losts of graphic wording and language, NSFW) but the short version is that I will be watching the rest of EMH and then boycotting any and all marvel tv projects until Assemble is cancelled. Not because I think it'll do anything or because I love EMH all that much, but because what Loeb is doing has me so sick I can't stomach watching anything else he's got going.

[cripp12]

Very sad. I liked the build up to seeing new heroes every week.

[danzrocker]

Indeed a very sad and a very depressing has come for us all. The Chaos has begun and my apologies for my limited knowledge 'Talavar' your truly right this is all and completely fueled by 'egotistic mindsets' especially that of Jeph Loeb the idiotic fool who will eradicate all the hopes and dreams of all dedicated young and old loyal loving classic comic book animation fans in fact come to think of it marvel is really starting to loose its special spark and edginess.

And i totally agree with you 'cripp' like you i also loved to watch the introduction of new and improved characters in every episode even if it was a cameo appearance like such was done in the 'Infiltration' episode. Several characters were introduced at once though in form of photos stuck to a board while Nick Fury was observing them it marked a beginning which was to come in Season 3 . They have killed Avengers Earth `s Mightiest Heroes like they decimated the 'Wolverine and the X-Men'.

And no offence tomato though a very nice and exciting post at your tumblr account they never knew that you had it in you but i was expecting more from you than just this. You have actually brought up some light on perhaps a revolution , a rebellion , freedom of speech for a minor but also a major issue. What i think we should all raise one voice, as a one unit and a unique faction boycotting for all we cared and loved for. There were times where we had several different opinions but this time i am surely with Tomato and you guys hence count me in.

Also Check this out, Indeed i have to agree its a good solution and a good idea all the same.
http://www.change.org/petitions/marvel-entertainment-disney-joe-quesada-and-jeph-loeb-do-not-cancel-the-marvel-avengers-earth-s-mightiest-heroes-cartoon?utm_campaign=share_button_modal&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

[BentonGrey]

Well, that's just utterly ridiculous.  I'm thinking an angry letter is in order.  I'll punch it up tomorrow.  What a freaking idiot. 

EMH wasn't as good as JLU, but it could have gotten close given time.  It was the best Marvel team series since the classic X-Men was cancelled, and the only good adaptation of the Avengers on TV ever.  I'm beyond disgusted.  I'm leaning towards going 'Mato's route, just because cancelling this series was so completely ludicrous. 

[oldmanwinters]

EMH wasn't as good as JLU, but it could have gotten close given time.  It was the best Marvel team series since the classic X-Men was cancelled, and the only good adaptation of the Avengers on TV ever.  I'm beyond disgusted.  I'm leaning towards going 'Mato's route, just because cancelling this series was so completely ludicrous.

As much as I like both of those Marvel cartoons, I gotta at least offer up some love to the short-lived "Wolverine and the X-Men."  Now THAT was a show that could have gotten epic if it was allowed to run another year or two.

[Previsionary]

Oh, this is not the news I came in this thread for. How unfortunate, but I haven't watched most of season 2, so wevskies. I knew Jeph Loeb being at the head of the TV department would eventually lead to some bad news, but some people around here suggested otherwise. . Regardless, there's no point in trying to fight Quesada or Loeb. It'll likely never work. Most of the people involved have probably begun to move on. Quesada is also not one to listen to the fan base. He does what he wants. Loeb is similar except he'll tell you how wrong you are and suggest that you're too inadequate to follow whatever it is he's trying to do.

[Tomato]

WatX and Spectacular were both excellent shows, and I'd say Spectacular was easily the best Marvel adaptation to have come out ever. However, at least their motivations for cancellation were understandable... Disney took over Marvel, didn't want to share the rights with other animation studios. Annoying, but at least there was some decent business practice in there. Cancelling EMH because Loeb didn't like it is just petty and disgusting.

[oldmanwinters]

Well... I guess disgruntled animation fans can at least look forward to...

HULK and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H. !   

[Podmark]

Well this is a completely needless cancellation. EMH was a great Avengers show. I liked it and I loved how they introduced so many cool Marvel characters, the GotG standing out.

I loved Spectacular Spider-Man, so very sad that it's gone.

[Tomato]

Oh, this is not the news I came in this thread for. How unfortunate, but I haven't watched most of season 2, so wevskies. I knew Jeph Loeb being at the head of the TV department would eventually lead to some bad news, but some people around here suggested otherwise. . Regardless, there's no point in trying to fight Quesada or Loeb. It'll likely never work. Most of the people involved have probably begun to move on. Quesada is also not one to listen to the fan base. He does what he wants. Loeb is similar except he'll tell you how wrong you are and suggest that you're too inadequate to follow whatever it is he's trying to do.

In my defense, my response wasn't so much "Loeb might actually do a good job here" and more of a hopeful "maybe he won't have sufficient time to be a moron and ruin the tenuous stability Marvel TV has."

[Talavar]

In my defence, I've thought Jeph Loeb was a moron for years.

[MJB]

In my defence, I knew that the original rumor was true. Jeph Loeb is an idjot.

[murs47]

In my defence, I've thought Jeph Loeb was a moron for years.

[John Jr.]

I think Prev. nailed it just right. Put guys like Loeb (and Geoff John) in control of adaptations isn't a good idea, since they tend to make only what they think it's good. Like a lot of current writers and editors they don't try to create for their public, the public should accept they views or just go away.
I really liked EMH, the series got a classic + modern mix that was hard to get. It was not brilliant, but it was a lot of fun, and it was enough for me. 

[Tomato]

Yes but see, the difference is that while he may not be the greatest writer, at least Geoff CAN still write, and DOES have at least a decent understanding of what makes a good story. Loeb has consistently show us he fails at both AND his one major tv credit outside of marvel (heroes) took a nose dive almost as soon as he came on board.

[Previsionary]

Loeb used to be able to write okay to good stories. He just really fell off after his son passed away, but you can only sympathize with that for so long before you start to call a spade a spade. He's not getting any better at his craft, and I believe he's become very complacent, which is a horrible thing for a creative type of person to be. Loeb, however, has an added issue that his best work came when he was paired with certain artists or editors who would keep him in check. Most of the things he went on to do on his own, including TV (Heroes and Smallville) took a hit as soon as his energy was introduced. He also wrote "Teen Wolf Too" and should never be forgiven for that. However, he did write "Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America," which was said to be a good read. That, though, wasn't even his idea and came from JMS. Loeb just channeled his own experiences into the book, which is most likely why it connected as it did, yet even that was a mixed bag. Very mixed.

[John Jr.]

While I don't like John's recent work (I find it terrible, to be honest), I agree with both of you about Loeb.
And if they want a writer in control why to call someone who is in such a "bad shape"?

[Tomato]

Because on paper, loeb has the most experience with tv. He's written for Heroes and for smallville, and he's buddy buddy with enough of the bigwigs at marvel that Joe Q will basically let him do what he wants. Technically this would be a case where disney should be stepping in, but to their credit they've been very hands off with Marvel and letting them do their thing.

[Previsionary]

Quesada and Loeb talk Avengers and Hulk:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Exclusive-Marvel-Assembles-1048788.aspx

TV Guide Magazine: And what's the second project?

Jeph Loeb:The Avengers movie has been the ambassador to the world for the Marvel Universe so we want a show that has the feel and the tone and the incredible adventures like that movie. So the next project that we're working on — and this is down in our lab, top secret, with the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents protecting us at all costs — is Marvel's Avengers Assemble, which will be a brand new and really extraordinary looking animated series dealing with the Avengers in that same world.

TV Guide Magazine: You already have Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes on the Disney XD. How is this new show going to be different?

Jeph Loeb: We're still very early on in the process and we don't give away too much. It's safe to say that we're looking at a show that more closely echoes the tone and the feel of the movie.

TV Guide Magazine: Does that mean it will skew towards an older audience?

Jeph Loeb: No, but it will certainly have that kind of gigantic action and interacting among the characters and their voices that the movie has.TV Guide Magazine: I understand that the African-American superhero Falcon is going to be a part of this show. Why was he an important addition to the team?

Joe Quesada: Falcon is going to be the eyes of the viewer. He's a new member of the Avengers so he's walking through our stories wide-eyed and with wonder and amazed to be a part of it. He's a little younger than the rest of the cast and a little greener, so he adds an interesting dimension to the team that we think will play really well with the audience.

[BentonGrey]

I really, really am growing to dislike this fellow.  EMH was pretty darn close to the Avengers movie in character portrayals and interactions.  There's no reason they needed to replace this...none at all.