New Ghost Rider

[ghazkul]

Can anyone help me with a mesh for the new Gohst Rider? Thanks

[UnkoMan]

A girl Ghost Rider?!

[XPTO]

A girl Ghost Rider?!

Hahaha! i said the same thing 

[cmdrkoenig67]

"Girls" can be Ghost Riders/Spirits of Vengeance too, you know?

Dana

[Courtnall6]

Do you hear that sound? It's the sound of broken bloody fingernails scraping at the bottom of the idea barrel at Marvel.

[Panther_Gunn]

Do you hear that sound? It's the sound of broken bloody fingernails scraping at the bottom of the idea barrel at Marvel.

pffft...., please.  You need to get your hearing checked.  That was what it sounded like probably 10 years or so ago.  The sound you're hearing now is raw and bloodied finger bones scraping along the bedrock 20' below the shredded and broken-out bottom of the idea barrel.

[ghazkul]

Yeah, not to fan the fan-flames, but she is also a black female possibly lesbian Ghost Rider.... that's all the boxes ticked!

[Courtnall6]

Do you hear that sound? It's the sound of broken bloody fingernails scraping at the bottom of the idea barrel at Marvel.

pffft...., please.  You need to get your hearing checked.  That was what it sounded like probably 10 years or so ago.  The sound you're hearing now is raw and bloodied finger bones scraping along the bedrock 20' below the shredded and broken-out bottom of the idea barrel.

You're right! I guess I do need my hearing checked!

[AfghanAnt]

I'm exactly not sure how a character known for changing hosts is a terrible idea. Johnny Blaze is not the only Ghost Rider nor was he the first.

The real reason why Marvel and DC have to tie minorities to existing characters is because if you let them stand on their own, the majority of comic fans (middle-age white men) won't buy the series - no matter how good it is.

This whole commentary was just really in bad taste because it implies being a female somehow makes a character "the bottom of the barrel" or even 20-feet below it.

[cmdrkoenig67]

I agree with AA...Not to mention, this isn't the first female Spirit of Vengeance Marvel has tried out...

Phantome...


..And Barbara Ketch...


I apologize for the derailing of your request thread, Ghazkul...I wish you the best in finding a mesh or perhaps finding somebody to Skope it for you.

Dana

[ghazkul]

Having a female version of a character isnt a bad thing. Look Rescue, Spider-Woman and She-Hulk! I think the problem is how Marvel focus on it when they change characters. It's one of the things all their characters have had at one point. Remember She-Thing?? It's sad in my opinion that they just make female versions of other characters rather then make originals.

[deano_ue]

if you actually read the book the concept behind her was a pretty cool idea, a girl raised by a cult led by adam as in adam and eve, to wipe sin from the entire world. she ends up with the rider demon and turns on the cult

if it had a better writer it would not have been cancelled

[Previsionary]

Some things become tiresome. Vury, vury tiresome.

UE, I don't know who wrote the Ghost Rider book, but I very HIGHLY doubt the book would have survived with another, "better" writer on it. Female led books just don't do well in the mainstream comic industry. Neither Marvel or DC have much success in that field, and when they do, they eventually do something very insulting to the character that the book ends up canceled anyway. It's more about how those characters are marketed and how the fans react towards female characters in general outside of ensemble based lineups.

[ghazkul]

Just realised, can anyone help on this one? Went down fandom arguement road so quick I never got an answer! lol.

[Randomdays]

Could try skoping the flaming head onto a female body, maybe with a small size reduction, or go the other way and skope a female body on the GR mesh, and have the FX and the motorcycle if she uses it. Not sure I've ever seen gloves like that on any mesh before.

[ghazkul]

How do you do that? So far all I've managed is to paste arm guargs and hide things. How do you replace the base male_basic with a female_basic?

[Randomdays]

I don't know nifkope that well but I've seen posts from other people that make it sound possible. Mabe someone who knows it really well can tell you if it can or can't be done.

I do know how to do it in Blender.

You would just select all the vertices for the head, delete them, import the Ghost rider mesh, delete everything but the head, align it with the female body,resize it, and assign it to the armature. Done.

The other way, you would import the female mesh on top of the male, resize the male down to the female size, and try to transfer weight paint. Then just delete the original male mesh and you're done. If transfer weight paint doesn't work, you'd have to rig the mesh the long way.

I'll try to look at it if no one does when I get the time.

[Randomdays]

If you still want it, I went ahead and Blended a mesh for you. I couldn't use Tommyboy's or X-Dud's Ghost Rider as it "locked" when working with Blender. Since I couldn't keep the bike, I just took the collar and skull from Vertex's Vx_Ghostrider, removed the head from Beyonder's female_bald_fx and combined the two. It worked, but I lost the Flame fx somehow - maybe something to do with materials. Hopefully you or someone with more knowledge can bring it back.

Let me know where you want it if you still do.

[Scorpion13mk2]

I'm exactly not sure how a character known for changing hosts is a terrible idea. Johnny Blaze is not the only Ghost Rider nor was he the first.

The real reason why Marvel and DC have to tie minorities to existing characters is because if you let them stand on their own, the majority of comic fans (middle-age white men) won't buy the series - no matter how good it is.

This whole commentary was just really in bad taste because it implies being a female somehow makes a character "the bottom of the barrel" or even 20-feet below it.

I have to disagree. The implication of theyre saying, and I happen to agree with it, is that this character really isnt creative. Its just friggin Ghost Rider as a woman. Thats it. Its seeming to become more standard in comics nowadays to just make a character that is essentially a copy of another one, change the appearance (Red Hulk, Red She-Hulk) and claiming its a whole new character. There is precedent for this, Im not claiming that Supergirl or Batgirl or all the others arent legit characters, but the way theyre doing it now seems pretty shallow to me.

[AfghanAnt]

I'm exactly not sure how a character known for changing hosts is a terrible idea. Johnny Blaze is not the only Ghost Rider nor was he the first.

The real reason why Marvel and DC have to tie minorities to existing characters is because if you let them stand on their own, the majority of comic fans (middle-age white men) won't buy the series - no matter how good it is.

This whole commentary was just really in bad taste because it implies being a female somehow makes a character "the bottom of the barrel" or even 20-feet below it.

I have to disagree. The implication of theyre saying, and I happen to agree with it, is that this character really isnt creative. Its just friggin Ghost Rider as a woman. Thats it. Its seeming to become more standard in comics nowadays to just make a character that is essentially a copy of another one, change the appearance (Red Hulk, Red She-Hulk) and claiming its a whole new character. There is precedent for this, Im not claiming that Supergirl or Batgirl or all the others arent legit characters, but the way theyre doing it now seems pretty shallow to me.

Don't buy new comics. Problem solved.

[Podmark]

I have to disagree. The implication of theyre saying, and I happen to agree with it, is that this character really isnt creative. Its just friggin Ghost Rider as a woman. Thats it. Its seeming to become more standard in comics nowadays to just make a character that is essentially a copy of another one, change the appearance (Red Hulk, Red She-Hulk) and claiming its a whole new character. There is precedent for this, Im not claiming that Supergirl or Batgirl or all the others arent legit characters, but the way theyre doing it now seems pretty shallow to me.

There are reasons for it, not simply shallowness. The biggest one is a lack of willingness to try new characters on the buyers part. Now in here we're largely talking about Marvel and DC where a book is expected to make a certain minimum amount, independent publishers have different expectations so it's easier to get something else running. Where an essentially new character most people will ignore, if you introduce a new Hulk, for instance, everyone will at least take a glance. That should guarantee a certain level entry point, then it's up to the creative team to keep that audience. With Ghost Rider that didn't happen as it was recently cancelled.
In the early days of comics, the Golden and Silver age, everything was new so readers were more willing to try anything. And of course comics weren't as expensive and didn't have as much strong entertainment competition as we do now.
Continuing on this point Marvel has recently been cutting down on low selling books and mini-series, instead double shipping more popular books, for cost saving reasons. So expect to see even less new original characters from them.

The second reason is that we've reached a more introspective time in comics writing where often it's less about the adventure and more about exploring the character. So a common target for character exploration is creating a new version of that character. "What if Wolverine had a son?" "What if Venom was being used by the military?" "What if Dick Grayson was Batman?" All of these are the same idea where you're rolling a new version of the character to see how it would play out differently and how the original character, allies, enemies, and world will react to it.

I can admit that sometimes I groan when these types of characters are announced but ultimately I only care if the characters and their stories are interesting.
I certainly groaned when I first heard "female Ghost Rider" but having heard a little about what the story it sounds a little interesting, and I kinda like the design. Haven't read anything with her, likely won't because I have almost zero interest in Ghost Rider. Well I may end up reading the Circle of Four story in Venom and she's in that so I'll get some exposure. Flash Thompson as Venom is cool.


Anyway raise your hand if you'd rather read a good story starring Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, or [insert your favorite character here] over a somewhat interesting new character that you've just heard about? If you raised your hand you proved the first point.
(And yes I raised my hand)

[Previsionary]

This thread has gotten so sidetracked that it should just be in the comics forum. Sorry for contributing to that, Ghazkul. My apologies.

Podmark, I agree with a lot of what you've stated. Usually, the people who are complaining about these "old" characters being replaced with "female" or other "minority" copies are the same ones who A) don't read the books anyway or B) aren't reading any books with COMPLETELY NEW characters in them. Caps are for emphasis. Let's be honest, both Marvel and DC have tried what has been suggested before. How many people went out and read Gravity or Sentry (original version, not the Bendis copy) before they were forced into Avenger books? Okay, now how many of you gave Jackpot's mini a read? I assume not many of you. It's a weird thing for me to defend because I was tired of female copies, and I was certainly over the Hulks, but I've also seen how the fans treat new characters when they're in their own books, and it's not very appealing. I've also seen how many fans have reacted towards female characters when they're off on their own, and that's also not appealing. At least Marvel attempted to flesh out the current Ghost Rider and kept Johnny Blaze ALIVE and AROUND to mentor her. Usually, replacements rise up when the predecessor is killed, lost, or severely injured (as was the case with Black Panther). Johnny escaped all of that.

And just to put it out there, Red She-HUlk and Red Hulk were created as basic clones by Loeb, but under the right team, they grew into very compelling characters with actual depth. Lyra, who many considered a She-hulk replacement when they finally saw her (I.E., those who missed her origin story), was already pretty good when she was introduced and continued to grow.

In addition to the questions Podmark posed, I think readers also need to question how open they would have been to characters like Supergirl, Batgirl, Spider-woman, and She-hulk (Jen) if they were introduced today as opposed to their original 1st appearance dates. Would your reactions still be the same? For me, I hold this basic belief. Before something is championed as being shallow, one-dimensional, or digging at the bottom of a barrel, at least put some effort into finding out the character's backstory, how they were introduced, and what effects his/her inclusion is having on continuity, if any at all. You could end up surprised or, at the very worse, confirm your initial thinking. Either/or.

[tommyboy]

Comics are full of Copyright Protection Devices like Super-Girl/Boy, Bat-Girl/Woman, Spider-Woman/Girl, She-Hulk etc. etc. etc.
Sometimes these get written well, and are in good comics, but it doesn't make them some sort of pinnacle of creativity.
Then there are the even weaker derivatives like Red Hulk and Red She-Hulk, who aren't even published to protect the copyright, but are a naked attempt to wring a few more dollars out of a limping old property with the least amount of work or imagination possible.
The most recent trend towards making a female version of existing male characters is usually the same thing as the above two cases, but with some less than wholesome sexual exploitation thrown in in the guise of "diversity".
Look! Ultron has breasts now! So does Black Panther! and Bullseye!
It reeks of laziness and stupidity and creative bankruptcy, coupled with an opportunistic nod to a culture-wide objectification of women.

Not having bothered to read Ghost Rider With Breasts, I cannot make a judgement on it's value as a comic.
But the idea that these female versions are any sort of shout out to feminism or diversity or empowering women makes milk shoot out of my nose.

None of which is to say you cannot have good comics with Copyright Protection Devices, Derivatives or Knock-offs in. You can, and there are some good comics featuring these types of characters.
But to generalize, they are almost always weaker as concepts than the originals from which they derive, and I for one do not welcome the news that "*insert name of character* now has breasts!".

Oh, and on-topic,  I wont be making Female_Ghost_Rider_tf any time soon.
But knock yourselves out if you can 'skope her from any bits of my meshes.

[Previsionary]

I don't think anyone even made a claim that the female comic character in question (or any for that matter) was meant for the feminist movement.... In fact, most of the commentary has been to how, typically, male READERS react to and treat female characters in general. Period.

[Tomato]

Ok guys, the level of dumbness in this thread has gotten outside of acceptable parameters. Unless someone actually intends to fulfill this request (Y'know, the reason this thread was started in the first place) I suggest you leave the thread alone, or go discuss it in the comics forum WHERE IT BLOODY WELL BELONGS.

Let me make myself clear here: I think the idea of a female Ghost Rider is kinda dumb... but on that same footing, I think Ghost Rider in general is dumb. But I'm not on here making a beach of myself by posting about a book I have never read and thus have no possible footing for making judgements (good OR bad judgements mind... I'd estimate over half of the people defending the book haven't read it either) on other then wild speculation on what I THINK I know about the book, much less doing so in a request thread rather then an actual comic discussion.

Now, someone please end this nonsense already and skin female Ghost Rider. Bajezus.

[Randomdays]

This thread had died for a few days till I posted this morning - I was very surprised to see so many new responses, and none dealing with the request at hand.

So, here's a pic of the Blend I made. As said, she lost her fx somehow when I added the skull, but if anyone wants her to try to work with her or skin her, let me know.

I have no opinion on her either way, just trying to help Ghazkul out by filling his request as best I can.