Dr. Who, Series 6, Part 2, Discussion <SPOILERS>

[B A D]

I would just like to kick off the discussion by noting the total fake out Moffat is trying to pull with the recent trailer release.

Spoiler

River is NOT Madam Kovorian. That eyepatch thingy i Guarantee allows you to see the Silents somehow.

And the Doctor at the lake is a Ganger, obviously.

And I betcha  River kills Rory.

That is all.

[Kommando]

We need a smiley with a Fez now. Fezzes are cool!

[RTTingle]

Never cared for the show before... but I have to say, this Dr has got me.  Enjoyed this season as the first I made a point to watch.  Really got into this Dr and been playing catch up on the DVR.  Digging the whole backstory with River Song.  Hope the big cliffhangers aren't obvious... but no matter what they do --- it'll be better than Lost. 

[B A D]

From what I understand , the next episode "Lets Kill Hitler " is supposed to be brilliant by all accounts.

[martialstorm]

7 Days to go until Lets Kill Hitler, I can't wait.

Anyone else been watching Torchwood Miracle day?

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Matt Smith says that Let's Kill Hitler is his favorite episode.  I'll take it for the title alone.  Can't wait.

[Talavar]

And Let's Kill Hitler has aired!

Spoiler

A far-reaching, major shake-up (and mildly insane) episode, to be sure.  More was covered than I expected, there was a fair bit of the unexpected, and great lines abounded.  Very nice work.  The Steven Moffat era continues its streak of having great "big" episodes. 

[B A D]

That was pretty awesome.

Spoiler

"I've got a gun, you've got a time machine, lets kill Hitler!" that was funny.  The fact that Hitler really had so little to do with the episode made it all the better. Rory had the best reaction when he was shoving  Adolf into the closet.

[Talavar]

Night Terrors - a somewhat by-the-numbers Who adventure, in my opinion.  As always, the leads are great, some of the dialogue sparkles and the monsters are creepy, but otherwise not much to really compare it to last week's wild ride.

[B A D]

Enjoyed this. this had a classic Who feel  . Not arc related, one and done,and  sufficiently behind the couch scary for most kids

[Tomato]

It was a decent, classic who episode... however, I do think it's somewhat telling that it was actually intended to be in the first half of the season, because it doesn't fit into continuity as well as it should.

[Talavar]

It wasn't just the lack of continuity or arc connections that had me call it a 'by-the-numbers' episode rather than 'classic-feeling' - it just lacked the inventiveness and imagination of great episodes like last week's, barring one twist, and was quite similar (if better done) to the Tenth Doctor episode Fear Her.

[B A D]

"The  Girl Who Waited".

Gods, I'm depressed.

And the Doctor is a huge #$#@$@4.

[Talavar]

Now that was a good stand-alone episode!  No real ties to the ongoing arc, but full of imagination, emotion, and character.  Good stuff.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

The first ten minutes it looked like an average, okay episode.

Once old Amy came in, it became a whole lot more than that.

Great episode all in all.  Usually the moral and philisophical implications of some of the things possible in sci fi or fantasy universes are glossed over and ignored, but here we have it confronted head on and it makes for a good emotional and very much thinking episode.  The Doctor is barely even in this one, but it makes for a very good focus of the whole Amy/Rory relationship.

And yeah, you do see the more sinister side of the Doctor, but this is hardly new.  This is the same guy who kidnapped his first two companions, exposed them to dangerous radiation just because he was curious about a nearby city, and stranded them on the Dalek's home planet as a result.  And that's only in his first couple of episodes.

[deano_ue]

brilliant episode.

amy is defiantly proven to be the best companion of the new series, and once again murray golds music is superb, guess its another cd i'm buying

i just love the amy's theme track

[Tomato]

the Doctor is a huge #$#@$@4.

You know... objectively, I'd have done the same thing in his shoes. It's a bit twisted, but there really wasn't too much in the way of options there. He'd have had to cannibalize the tardis (like how the master had) just to maintain her paradoxical existence, and for what? A broken life, without rory, without her family, and with more post-traumatic stress then most soldiers have coming out of Afghanistan today?

[Talavar]

the Doctor is a huge #$#@$@4.

You know... objectively, I'd have done the same thing in his shoes. It's a bit twisted, but there really wasn't too much in the way of options there. He'd have had to cannibalize the tardis (like how the master had) just to maintain her paradoxical existence, and for what? A broken life, without rory, without her family, and with more post-traumatic stress then most soldiers have coming out of Afghanistan today?

Exactly - it was a terrible choice to have to make, but the Doctor made the right one.  I also liked how, after both Rory and Amy have complained about him, that the Doctor left the choice with Rory.  A little bit of perspective for Rory about what it's like to have to juggle people's lives.

[B A D]

Old Amy and Rory was right. This was  all the Doctor's fault to begin with. When Rory asked him about scanning the outside for dangers, his reply was  "that's not how I travel." Great. Plus he lies. All the time. If  I were the Ponds I'd be getting off in Ledworth an never setting foot on the Tardis again. Maybe Madam K has a point...

[Tomato]

I think that's the point of the episode though.... this whole season we've seen the doctor teeter on the brink of becoming something sinister, and the consequences of that. Not only from Ms. K either... We saw a movement rise up in the Doctor's name that wasn't exactly made of good people.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Earlier versions of the Doctor could be sinister too, so this is not really a departure.  He basically kidnapped some of his companions and did all sorts of things of that nature.  The doctor is basically a rogue.  A well intentioned rogue, but he nontheless is not particularly limited by morals or nicities.  There are times when this is not such a good thing.

[Talavar]

Another high-quality monster of the week episode!  It was nice to see the Doctor's completely reasonable hypothesis about the monster be wrong, but darn I wanted to see what was behind the Doctor's door.

Only 2 episodes of the season left!

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Eh, we DID see what was behind the Doctor's door, unless I just misunderstood that bit.  The last room they were in with little Amelia was his door, we even saw the door hanger he put on fall off when it disappeared.  He's afraid of what he does to his companions, hence the ending.

[deano_ue]

Amelia was in room 7, whatever was in The Doctor's room was in 11

[Talavar]

Yes, the room at the end with Amelia was Amy's room, not the Doctor's.  Is there a significance to Amy's room being 7, a la the eleventh Doctor's being 11?

[B A D]

Whatever was in the Doctor's room had something to do with the Tardis, as you could clearly hear the Cloister Bell ringing when he opened it.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Alright, mis-saw that.

So Amy's fear is the Doctor leaving her then, which is pretty ironic, considering. . .

[Mr. Hamrick]

Yes, the room at the end with Amelia was Amy's room, not the Doctor's.  Is there a significance to Amy's room being 7, a la the eleventh Doctor's being 11?

Yes there is a significance.  Amelia was 7 when she first met The Doctor, if I recall.

[cmdrkoenig67]

You guys are missing the point of the rooms, though...The Doctor realized it wasn't what they feared but what they had faith in.  Amy's faith was in the Doctor (hence little Amy waiting and watching)...I'm guessing, the Doctor's was his TARDIS?

Dana

[JKCarrier]

You guys are missing the point of the rooms, though...The Doctor realized it wasn't what they feared but what they had faith in.

Not exactly. The rooms we saw all had scary stuff in them: Gorillas, creepy dolls and clowns, Weeping Angels, being laughed at or yelled at or abandoned. The idea was that scaring the victims would cause them to draw upon their faith as a defense.