Of Wreckers and Crews

BentonGrey · December 13, 2010, 07:14:00 PM

Howdy guys, I'm working on the Wrecking Crew, and I was wondering what insights y'all might have for their builds. I like to make my herofiles distinct, and I'm having a bit of trouble with these guys. Their powers are relatively easy, but their attributes give me pause. Here's what I've got at the moment. What do y'all think?

The Wrecker:

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Stats:
Strength: 6 Extremely Strong
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 5 Very Agile
Endurance: 6 Extremely Hardy
Energy: 6 Extremely Powerful

Attributes:
Temperature Control
Radioactive
Hot Tempered
Physical Resistance
Disciplined

Powers:
Wreckers toughness (Passive Defense):
Block Type:
Success Rating: Rare
Level: 4
Animation Name:
Attached FX Name: sky_king_bulletproof
Damage Blocked: Acid
Radiation
Crushing
Piercing
Energy
Cold
Fire
Defense Flags: Always Active
Attacks Blocked: Melee
Ranged
Area
Direct

Crowbar cruelty (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Minor
Stun: Medium
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 4
Animation Name: melee_8
Attached FX Name: manbot_punch

crowbar crunch (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: Medium
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 4
Animation Name: melee
Attached FX Name: manbot_punch

crowbar hurl (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Trace
Stun: None
Knockback: High
Velocity: Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Long
Accuracy: High
Level: 4
Animation Name: ranged_crowbar
Attached FX Name: crowbar_throw2

steel uppercut (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Very High
Energy Point Cost: Minor
Stun: None
Knockback: Extreme
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee_3
Attached FX Name: manbot_punch

stabbing crowbar (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Trace
Stun: High
Knockback: Low
Swiftness: Very Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee_7
Attached FX Name: legionnaire_melee

Thunderball: (trying to keep in mind what Prev. has kept saying about his intelligence)

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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\Thunderball_Heavy\character.nif
Skin: standard
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CGenericHero
Voice: TG

Stats:
Strength: 6 Extremely Strong
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 5 Very Agile
Endurance: 6 Extremely Hardy
Energy: 5 Very Powerful

Attributes:
Temperature Control
Level Headed

Powers:
steel hardened skin (Passive Defense):
Block Type:
Success Rating: Rare
Level: 4
Animation Name:
Attached FX Name: sky_king_bulletproof
Damage Blocked: Acid
Crushing
Piercing
Energy
Cold
Fire
Defense Flags: Always Active
Attacks Blocked: Melee
Ranged
Area
Direct

wrecking spin (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Minor
Stun: None
Knockback: Medium
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: 360 Degrees
Level: 4
Animation Name: melee_2
Attached FX Name: bullet_chainedpunches

wreckingball blow (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: Low
Knockback: Medium
Swiftness: Slow
Arc: No Arc
Level: 4
Animation Name: melee
Attached FX Name: minuteman_patriotswing

thunderous smash (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Very High
Energy Point Cost: Trace
Stun: None
Knockback: High
Swiftness: Slow
Arc: 90 Degrees
Level: 4
Animation Name: melee_4
Attached FX Name: manbot_punch

wrecking ball hurl (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Trace
Stun: None
Knockback: High
Velocity: Normal
Radius: No Arc
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 4
Animation Name: ranged_2
Attached FX Name: ballandchain2

thunderous combo (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Minor
Stun: Low
Knockback: Low
Swiftness: Slow
Arc: No Arc
Level: 4
Animation Name: melee_3
Attached FX Name: default_punch

brains over brawn (Direct):
DamageType: Genetic Damage
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Trace
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Range: Medium
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged
Attached FX Name: mentor_cerebralnormalisation

tangling chain (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Density Max
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Trace
Stun: Low
Knockback: Low
Velocity: Normal
Radius: No Arc
Range: Long
Accuracy: High
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_2
Attached FX Name: ballandchain

Piledriver:

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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\Piledriver_Heavy\character.nif
Skin: standard
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CGenericHero
Voice: TB

Stats:
Strength: 6 Extremely Strong
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 3 Normal
Endurance: 6 Extremely Hardy
Energy: 4 Powerful

Attributes:
Temperature Control
Physical Resistance

Powers:
toughened skin (Passive Defense):
Block Type:
Success Rating: Rare
Level: 4
Animation Name:
Attached FX Name: sky_king_bulletproof
Damage Blocked: Acid
Crushing
Piercing
Energy
Cold
Fire
Defense Flags: Always Active
Attacks Blocked: Melee
Ranged
Area
Direct

wrecking punch (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: Medium
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 4
Animation Name: melee
Attached FX Name: theant_punch

piledrive (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Trace
Stun: Very High
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 4
Animation Name: melee_3
Attached FX Name: supercollider_massivepunch

driving blows (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Minor
Stun: Low
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 4
Animation Name: melee_4
Attached FX Name: bullet_chainedpunches

spinning piledriver (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Minor
Stun: Low
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: 360 Degrees
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee_2
Attached FX Name: minuteman_patriotswing

Bulldozer:

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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\Bulldozer_Heavy\character.nif
Skin: standard
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CGenericHero
Voice: TG

Stats:
Strength: 6 Extremely Strong
Speed: 5 Very Fast
Agility: 3 Normal
Endurance: 6 Extremely Hardy
Energy: 5 Very Powerful

Attributes:
Temperature Control
Grim Resolve
Physical Resistance

Powers:
dozer Charge (Special):
Special Type: Speeding Bullet
Energy Point Cost: High
Level: 2
Animation Name: run
Attached FX Name: bullet_speeding_bullet

dozers hide (Passive Defense):
Block Type:
Success Rating: Rare
Level: 4
Animation Name:
Attached FX Name: sky_king_bulletproof
Damage Blocked: Acid
Crushing
Piercing
Energy
Cold
Fire
Defense Flags: Always Active
Attacks Blocked: Melee
Ranged
Area
Direct

dozer HeadButt (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Very Low
Stun: Very High
Knockback: Low
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 4
Animation Name: melee_3
Attached FX Name: supercollider_headbutt

bulldozing blow (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Minor
Stun: None
Knockback: Low
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 4
Animation Name: melee
Attached FX Name: nazi_soldiers_melee

bulldoze (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Very High
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: Extreme
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 4
Animation Name: melee_6
Attached FX Name: mechanical_smash

bulldozing carnage (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: Low
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 4
Animation Name: melee_4
Attached FX Name: default_punch

What do y'all think? As they are right now they give my Thor a serious challenge. I have to use a heropoint as often as not.

freegentile · December 13, 2010, 07:23:54 PM

One of our fine friends, can't remember if it was herodad, usagent, or hoss...had a slew of herofiles he had made available to me & others. He distinctly had all the Wrecking Crew on there. I've used them & they behave pretty accurately. That's odd that you mention them vs. Thor since that was the match-up that was recently in the Thor mini-episode of that newest cartoon take on the Avengers...World's Mightiest Heroes, I believe is part of the title. Anyway, I can send you those if you're interested in test-driving, but I think your take...as always...is spot-on & will work just fine.

BentonGrey · December 13, 2010, 07:28:57 PM

Quote from: freegentile on December 13, 2010, 07:23:54 PM
One of our fine friends, can't remember if it was herodad, usagent, or hoss...had a slew of herofiles he had made available to me & others. He distinctly had all the Wrecking Crew on there. I've used them & they behave pretty accurately. That's odd that you mention them vs. Thor since that was the match-up that was recently in the Thor mini-episode of that newest cartoon take on the Avengers...World's Mightiest Heroes, I believe is part of the title. Anyway, I can send you those if you're interested in test-driving, but I think your take...as always...is spot-on & will work just fine.

Well thank you FG, both for your compliments and for offering to send me those herofiles, but I actually used USAgents files as the basis for my builds.

I do that whenever I can because he does such great work. However, I usually like to rename and rebalance powers, and I almost always add several new powers and attributes. I actually decided to pick these guys back up after having watched their appearance in the new Avengers cartoon. They did a great job of portraying both the Crew and Thor, and that made me want throw them together in FF.

herodad1 · December 13, 2010, 08:48:15 PM

i gave my wrecking crew a level 6 strength level also. as far as the marvel universe goes the wrecker by himself is 40 ton strength but when he's shared his power with the crew, him and them are only 10 ton strength. i try to give my characters strength levels in game according to the MU stats. my thor is a level 10 in game.

Xenolith · December 13, 2010, 09:21:29 PM

Physical Resistance is a good trait to use. I don't like Invulnerablity. Good to see it PR in there, Benton.

My guys only have one or two powers at most, unless they need more, so I don't have anything constructive to add about your power selection.

I'm curious why you chose Radioactive and Temperature Control for the Wrecker? Stan and Jack were pretty creative with powers way back when, and I usually avoid replicating one use powers (like Thor's magnetic/gravity control powers) or Reed Richard's 'master of the martial arts' power.

Scorpion13mk2 · December 13, 2010, 10:00:06 PM

I dont have much problem with the magnetic-gravity powers for Thor, and that kinda all ties in with the whole storm god thing, and even if it didnt, he is a hero who's powers come from magic.

As for the WC, when I did them in

, I just gave the Wrecker a 6 in strength, everyone else gets a 5. They really are just overgrown thugs who are only really dangerous to powered heroes when they drastically overpower them or outnumber them. They have low agility, and the Weak Mind attribute. One on one with my Thor, they got no chance in hell. All of them together, they have a good chance to knock him down, and keep him down for the count.

BentonGrey · December 14, 2010, 03:35:49 AM

Quote from: herodad1 on December 13, 2010, 08:48:15 PM
i gave my wrecking crew a level 6 strength level also. as far as the marvel universe goes the wrecker by himself is 40 ton strength but when he's shared his power with the crew, him and them are only 10 ton strength. i try to give my characters strength levels in game according to the MU stats. my thor is a level 10 in game.

Yeah, I try and match my characters to their RPG stats too. I make heavy use of Ben Riley's Marvel RPG page when I'm creating herofiles. I often have to tweak that for balance reasons (especially at the top and bottom of the scale), but it provides a great starting point for building.

Quote from: Xenolith on December 13, 2010, 09:21:29 PM
Physical Resistance is a good trait to use. I don't like Invulnerablity. Good to see it PR in there, Benton.

My guys only have one or two powers at most, unless they need more, so I don't have anything constructive to add about your power selection.

I'm curious why you chose Radioactive and Temperature Control for the Wrecker? Stan and Jack were pretty creative with powers way back when, and I usually avoid replicating one use powers (like Thor's magnetic/gravity control powers) or Reed Richard's 'master of the martial arts' power.

I have really come to love physical resistance. It's just a great attribute for making characters tough, but not so tough that nothing can hurt them. In the DCUG I used a mix of both, a few points of invulnerability and PS (which made for a really excellent Superman, in my opinion), but I'm trying for a different feel in my Marvel builds. After all, Thor is very tough, but he doesn't seem to have the clear-cut invulnerability of Superman. The same goes for the Thing. As for the Wrecker's attributes, USAgent had those in his herofile, and I just kept them. I wasn't sure about it, but I trusted his judgment. Rapsheet does have this to say about the Crew:

QuoteThe Asgardian enchantments have provided Thunderball with some resistance to cold, heat, fire, corrosives and toxins.

Quote from: Scorpion13mk2 on December 13, 2010, 10:00:06 PM
I dont have much problem with the magnetic-gravity powers for Thor, and that kinda all ties in with the whole storm god thing, and even if it didnt, he is a hero who's powers come from magic.

As for the WC, when I did them in , I just gave the Wrecker a 6 in strength, everyone else gets a 5. They really are just overgrown thugs who are only really dangerous to powered heroes when they drastically overpower them or outnumber them. They have low agility, and the Weak Mind attribute. One on one with my Thor, they got no chance in hell. All of them together, they have a good chance to knock him down, and keep him down for the count.

Hmm...do you think I should lower their agility? Yeah, Thor could clean any one of their clocks, but all together they can dog-pile him and hurt him. I think I'll give a few of them Weak Minded...maybe Piledriver and Bulldozer?

Shogunn2517 · December 19, 2010, 03:08:54 AM

I have similar stats for the Wrecking Crew. Bulldozer, Piledriver and Thunderball all have 5(str), 5(spd), 4(agl), 7(end), 5(engy). The Wrecker is a little higher 7, 7, 5, 7, 7. All have Physical Resistance, which all-in-all makes them pretty tough. Like Scorpion, one on one against Thor, they don't stand much of a chance, but four on one and they're able to take him out.

But it's always interesting to find that balance between being really durable and being practically invulnerable and of course being Invulnerable. Though Thor isn't as invulnerable as a Superman(or more accurately the Hulk), he still should be able to go toe-to-toe with them. But yet, weak enough not be able to take on all of the Wrecking Crew.

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