The old Human Torch is the new Captain America

[Mr. Hamrick]

I like the scale mail also, but I'm not sure what kind material they could use to make it.  Metal would probably get prohibitively metal and plastic or rubber would probably be too obviously fake.

I would make the scale mail out of Kevlar.

but Kevlar didn't exist in WWII.  You need something that is based around the material they had then.  I am not saying the costume is great but it's acceptable.  more or less

[BWPS]

Neither did super soldier serum, I'm just sayin'.

[chuckles]

That armor just looks too cumbersome to me, and it took awhile for me to get used to those boots. I don't see a use for the belt, but otherwise I think it'll do...for now.

They could have used "Bakelite" to fashion his outfit back in WW2.

[crimsonquill]

Wait a minute...

How come all of a sudden once we get hints of a costume design we assume that it will be the ONLY costume of Steve Rogers as Captain America...  

I see up to three if not four variations of said costume during the course of the film based on bits of the storyline...

1. Captain America's USO tour costume (this is the one I see as the wing-headed tights look with his classic WWII shield) because it's purely for show and much like an Uncle Sam costume.

2. Captain America's WWII makeshift costume (take the USO costume but throw on lots of standard military belts, clips, hardnesses, pouches, and a combat helmet on his head) which he throws together when he realizes he is needed on the front lines.

3. Captain America's official combat uniform (looks likes his WWII Ultimates Costume) which is made to incorperate his patriotic colors into a more standard military uniform and he also gets his first version of his round shield (which probably might be shown given to him by Tony Stark's father in a military press conference of some kind).

4. Captain America's post-War costume (which looks to me like the design everyone is debating about) which is state of the art for it's time before he has his final run in with The Red Skull and ripped apart by an explosion and he is thrown into the ocean and frozen.

- CQ

[Mr. Hamrick]

Wait a minute...

How come all of a sudden once we get hints of a costume design we assume that it will be the ONLY costume of Steve Rogers as Captain America...  

I see up to three if not four variations of said costume during the course of the film based on bits of the storyline...

1. Captain America's USO tour costume (this is the one I see as the wing-headed tights look with his classic WWII shield) because it's purely for show and much like an Uncle Sam costume.

2. Captain America's WWII makeshift costume (take the USO costume but throw on lots of standard military belts, clips, hardnesses, pouches, and a combat helmet on his head) which he throws together when he realizes he is needed on the front lines.

3. Captain America's official combat uniform (looks likes his WWII Ultimates Costume) which is made to incorperate his patriotic colors into a more standard military uniform and he also gets his first version of his round shield (which probably might be shown given to him by Tony Stark's father in a military press conference of some kind).

4. Captain America's post-War costume (which looks to me like the design everyone is debating about) which is state of the art for it's time before he has his final run in with The Red Skull and ripped apart by an explosion and he is thrown into the ocean and frozen.

- CQ

Great point.  And probably the route they SHOULD go.  Not sure if they will, though.  Each costume would be an upgrade of the last more or less.  The USO one might almost be like "dress blues" (i forget the army, marine and air force equiv but that's the navy one).

With that in mind, add a fifth costume and throw in whatever he has at the time of being frozen as updated by SHIELD or even by Stark.

[GhostMachine]

All I'm going to say is, you could make a somewhat passable, servicable Captain America uniform using a mix of leather (his mask, gloves, boots, the stars and stripes, and the A on his head), chainmail (painted blue) and normal cloth. Hell, just give him army fatigue pants dyed blue and tucked into his boots.

New cast addition: Stanley Tucci will be playing Dr. Erskine.

I know he's too old, but I'm hoping they get R. Lee Ermey to play Sgt. Duffy.

[crimsonquill]

I know he's too old, but I'm hoping they get R. Lee Ermey to play Sgt. Duffy.

Well, one would hope that R. Lee Ermey gets to play a cameo part or minor part in a Captain America film after all he did have a tiny cameo in X-Men 3.. so he definitly is open to appearing in comic based films.

- CQ

[Previsionary]

Tommy Lee Jones has joined the cast as Col. Phillips

Marvel Studios announced today that Oscar? winning actor Tommy Lee Jones has been cast to star as US Army Colonel Chester Phillips in the studio?s highly anticipated movie "Captain America: The First Avenger" opposite Chris Evans, Hugo Weaving, Hayley Atwell, Sebastian Stan and Stanley Tucci.  In the early comics, Phillips recruited Steve Rogers to join Project Rebirth, the secret experiment that created the Super Soldier known as Captain America. The character will be updated for the film.

[docdelorean88]

http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=avengers%20movie&order=9&offset=24&offset=72#/d2um2c9
Just some fan art, but what do you guys think about this poster? I like it!

EDIT: I also ran across this, and think that the subtle changes made to the costume work well
http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&q=captain+america+movie#/d2qzhvi

[Midnite]

Captain America Costume Photos Online

[MJB]

I spy with my little eye head wings.

[Courtnall6]

I spy with my little eye head wings.

It looks like they are just painted on the side of the helmet...which is even sadder than not having them at all.

[crimsonquill]

I spy with my little eye head wings.

It looks like they are just painted on the side of the helmet...which is even sadder than not having them at all.

I'm quite sure the head wings will be quite visible and sticking out in all their glory on Cap's USO costume complete with metal triangle shield.

As I've stated before.. there will be variations of Cap's uniform starting with his USO old school costume, then a nod toward his WWII Ultimate costume once he modifies real combat gear, and then an official special forces Invaders costume with his unique circular shield for his final battle with the Red Skull (which I assume is the one seen in the photos).

Definitely looks pretty good even in just unofficial behind the scenes photos and being a stunt double version at that.. and I don't mind the wings painted on the helmet because really unless they had a real use they would just be pointless. I'm just going to take a bet that someone will walk by Rogers in his USO garb and say "wow...nice costume winghead" and that will be the end of the physical wings.

- CQ

[tommyboy]

Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.
The headwings sold comics, films, and countless other stuff for 60 plus years. That says plenty to me.
You want to make a film about some drab mono-coloured special forces type, add another digit to the Rambo franchise.
I want to see the characters whose decades long popularity and costumes got these films made, not the watered-down, dull, everyone-looks-the-same-leather-catsuit-with-piping nonentities we tend to see all too often.
Ashamed of their "comic-book-sillyness"? Let me remind people, the movies came to us, and Spider-man and Superman made bucket loads of money, in the costumes they wore in the comics The silly, colourful, impractical costumes. Not some leather, forgettable, interchangeable "x-movie" rubbish.
Why are red gloves and boots deemed impractical and unrealistic? Because some idiot who has made nothing anyone will remember in sixty years says so. Red has been used plenty of times in real world armies and police (check the British army redcoat, or the RCMP). The costume is based on the american flag. That is, the "red white and brown"?
Feh.

[crimsonquill]

Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.
The headwings sold comics, films, and countless other stuff for 60 plus years. That says plenty to me.
You want to make a film about some drab mono-coloured special forces type, add another digit to the Rambo franchise.
I want to see the characters whose decades long popularity and costumes got these films made, not the watered-down, dull, everyone-looks-the-same-leather-catsuit-with-piping nonentities we tend to see all too often.
Ashamed of their "comic-book-sillyness"? Let me remind people, the movies came to us, and Spider-man and Superman made bucket loads of money, in the costumes they wore in the comics The silly, colourful, impractical costumes. Not some leather, forgettable, interchangeable "x-movie" rubbish.

O.o Why do I feel like I just got slapped across the face for making a comment that Marvel Studios (who is the same folks who adapted Iron Man, War Machine, and Thor with quite some success thus far) might use multiple costumes including an adaptation of his classic costume.

- CQ

[Talavar]

Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.
The headwings sold comics, films, and countless other stuff for 60 plus years. That says plenty to me.
You want to make a film about some drab mono-coloured special forces type, add another digit to the Rambo franchise.
I want to see the characters whose decades long popularity and costumes got these films made, not the watered-down, dull, everyone-looks-the-same-leather-catsuit-with-piping nonentities we tend to see all too often.
Ashamed of their "comic-book-sillyness"? Let me remind people, the movies came to us, and Spider-man and Superman made bucket loads of money, in the costumes they wore in the comics The silly, colourful, impractical costumes. Not some leather, forgettable, interchangeable "x-movie" rubbish.
Why are red gloves and boots deemed impractical and unrealistic? Because some idiot who has made nothing anyone will remember in sixty years says so. Red has been used plenty of times in real world armies and police (check the British army redcoat, or the RCMP). The costume is based on the american flag. That is, the "red white and brown"?
Feh.

Because what he's wearing in those pictures is a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit.  Clearly.  I personally see blue, white, red and brown, but apparently your mileage varies a great deal.

[tommyboy]

Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.
The headwings sold comics, films, and countless other stuff for 60 plus years. That says plenty to me.
You want to make a film about some drab mono-coloured special forces type, add another digit to the Rambo franchise.
I want to see the characters whose decades long popularity and costumes got these films made, not the watered-down, dull, everyone-looks-the-same-leather-catsuit-with-piping nonentities we tend to see all too often.
Ashamed of their "comic-book-sillyness"? Let me remind people, the movies came to us, and Spider-man and Superman made bucket loads of money, in the costumes they wore in the comics The silly, colourful, impractical costumes. Not some leather, forgettable, interchangeable "x-movie" rubbish.
Why are red gloves and boots deemed impractical and unrealistic? Because some idiot who has made nothing anyone will remember in sixty years says so. Red has been used plenty of times in real world armies and police (check the British army redcoat, or the RCMP). The costume is based on the american flag. That is, the "red white and brown"?
Feh.

Because what he's wearing in those pictures is a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit.  Clearly.  I personally see blue, white, red and brown, but apparently your mileage varies a great deal.

wow, that would be really cool and funny and clever if I'd actually said that in those pictures he was wearing "a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit".
But since I didn't say that, it isn't any of those things.
Still, feel free to come back with another witty riposte skewering something else I never posted if it makes you feel good.

[tommyboy]

O.o Why do I feel like I just got slapped across the face for making a comment that Marvel Studios (who is the same folks who adapted Iron Man, War Machine, and Thor with quite some success thus far) might use multiple costumes including an adaptation of his classic costume.
- CQ

Sorry, aiming less at you and more at the "realistic" costume designs of many movie adaptations.
No, you are right in that they might show multiple variations.
But what I've seen so far looks like somebody there prefers Hitch over Kirby, and I don't.
It just raises the question that people seem to have no problem with people flying, lifting up planes, crawling on walls etc, but costumes are silly and unbelievable?
Because I can wear a costume, but I cannot do any of the other stuff, so how can the costume be the "unbelievable" part of superheroes?
It's that disdain for the source material by people who generally have far less talent and imagination than those whose creations they are "re-imagining" (which is a lovely term for ripping off) that irks me, not your reasonable assertion that what we have seen so far may not be all there is.

[BentonGrey]

Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.

Now that I can agree with.

The costume doesn't look that bad to me, but I do rather wish they went with the real thing.  I'm glad there is SOME nod to the headwings, but it is sort of pitiful this way.

[Panther_Gunn]

I'm *hoping* that what we're seeing is some kind of transitional costume, as CQ has suggested, and that the helmet is a temporary item.  The costume itself looks a little bulky & awkward.  Hopefully it will either look better or make better sense on the screen.  One can only hope this costume iteration doesn't get a lot of screen time.

[herodad1]

i'm not passing judgement until after the movie but i thought them drawing "abs" on his costume made me laugh. 

[Talavar]

Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.
The headwings sold comics, films, and countless other stuff for 60 plus years. That says plenty to me.
You want to make a film about some drab mono-coloured special forces type, add another digit to the Rambo franchise.
I want to see the characters whose decades long popularity and costumes got these films made, not the watered-down, dull, everyone-looks-the-same-leather-catsuit-with-piping nonentities we tend to see all too often.
Ashamed of their "comic-book-sillyness"? Let me remind people, the movies came to us, and Spider-man and Superman made bucket loads of money, in the costumes they wore in the comics The silly, colourful, impractical costumes. Not some leather, forgettable, interchangeable "x-movie" rubbish.
Why are red gloves and boots deemed impractical and unrealistic? Because some idiot who has made nothing anyone will remember in sixty years says so. Red has been used plenty of times in real world armies and police (check the British army redcoat, or the RCMP). The costume is based on the american flag. That is, the "red white and brown"?
Feh.

Because what he's wearing in those pictures is a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit.  Clearly.  I personally see blue, white, red and brown, but apparently your mileage varies a great deal.

wow, that would be really cool and funny and clever if I'd actually said that in those pictures he was wearing "a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit".
But since I didn't say that, it isn't any of those things.
Still, feel free to come back with another witty riposte skewering something else I never posted if it makes you feel good.

No, I guess you didn't say that about those pictures, in your post in the Captain America film thread immediately following a post of pictures of the film's costume.  What was I thinking, expecting your paragraph-long spew of bitterness to follow logically from anything.  My mistake.

[BentonGrey]

Alright gentlemen, play nicely.

[tommyboy]

No, I guess you didn't say that about those pictures, in your post in the Captain America film thread immediately following a post of pictures of the film's costume.  What was I thinking, expecting your paragraph-long spew of bitterness to follow logically from anything.  My mistake.

I accept your gracious and fulsome apology.

We disagree on something that matters not a great deal, but you seem to have some personal issue with me.

I've already done this dance with various other people here and am bored with it.

Time to stop posting again.

[crimsonquill]

Sorry, aiming less at you and more at the "realistic" costume designs of many movie adaptations.
No, you are right in that they might show multiple variations.
But what I've seen so far looks like somebody there prefers Hitch over Kirby, and I don't.
It just raises the question that people seem to have no problem with people flying, lifting up planes, crawling on walls etc, but costumes are silly and unbelievable?
Because I can wear a costume, but I cannot do any of the other stuff, so how can the costume be the "unbelievable" part of superheroes?
It's that disdain for the source material by people who generally have far less talent and imagination than those whose creations they are "re-imagining" (which is a lovely term for ripping off) that irks me, not your reasonable assertion that what we have seen so far may not be all there is.

I can understand your frustration with the costume makers recent habit of making everything in "Realistic Ultimate" style (i.e. leather body suit with less emphasis on costume and more like uniform). You see this in just about every superhero film these days from Wanted, Hancock, Birds Of Prey, X-Men, and even Smallville on some levels. I think the biggest problem is that previous film failures where they got the Captain America costume so wrong (the '70s movies with the motorcycle helmet and see-through shield) and then tried to be exact while still screwing it up (the late '80s movie on DVD with the rubber ears and still being a cloth costume) just have made costume designers gun shy from adapting straight from page to screen. Spider-Man managed to get the costume just right (though not after lots of concept drawings from dozens of artists and fashion designers not to mention also learning from the '70s movies) and actually added to the design by making the webbing stick out from the protective suit under it (which I believe grew on fans but still bugged them that it didn't look like something a poor teenager could make at home) but then you sit and wonder that since everything from Raimi's versions will be dumped that also means that Spider-Man's costume will have to be remade from scratch and forced to be visually different from the pre-reboot films. Yeah, I think we all are getting a headache at this point.

But hold on for a moment... X-Men however is slightly different in the costume department because while fans remember the Uncanny X-Men costumes for being instantly recognizable for each character... they started out wearing uniforms with a team look and only using two colors. The blue and yellow versions of their old costumes with the belts, gloves, and boots just somehow don't seem to fit in modern times (if the film took place in the '60s and '70s you can believe that they might have tried for that look) and they went for the less creative black leather versions with colored piping instead.. thankfully comic artists revisited the classic uniforms in X-Men First Class and simplified them into body suits (and how much you wanna bet that these versions will be the basis of their look in the First Class movie because they fit the body suit style right away).

Getting back to Captain America, the pictured uniform he is wearing definitly looks like the concept drawings but going for red leather on the gloves, boots, and belt does come across as brown the more I look at it. Especially when you look at the other leather pouches and holsters strapped to his bike that are almost the same color as his red leather. I'm not thrilled with how it looks on a regular camera but I also know that color corrections and lightning are always enhanced digitally these days so maybe it might look far better once closer to the finished product. After all most of us were complaining about Thor's fake metal and padded costume until we saw the actual trailer and the helmet wing issue for Thor was put to rest with just one reveal at SDCC.

I'm just getting more curious to see what the other costumes from the film will look like.. especially Red Skull's makeup and uniform.

- CQ

[cmdrkoenig67]

Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.
The headwings sold comics, films, and countless other stuff for 60 plus years. That says plenty to me.
You want to make a film about some drab mono-coloured special forces type, add another digit to the Rambo franchise.
I want to see the characters whose decades long popularity and costumes got these films made, not the watered-down, dull, everyone-looks-the-same-leather-catsuit-with-piping nonentities we tend to see all too often.
Ashamed of their "comic-book-sillyness"? Let me remind people, the movies came to us, and Spider-man and Superman made bucket loads of money, in the costumes they wore in the comics The silly, colourful, impractical costumes. Not some leather, forgettable, interchangeable "x-movie" rubbish.
Why are red gloves and boots deemed impractical and unrealistic? Because some idiot who has made nothing anyone will remember in sixty years says so. Red has been used plenty of times in real world armies and police (check the British army redcoat, or the RCMP). The costume is based on the american flag. That is, the "red white and brown"?
Feh.

Because what he's wearing in those pictures is a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit.  Clearly.  I personally see blue, white, red and brown, but apparently your mileage varies a great deal.

wow, that would be really cool and funny and clever if I'd actually said that in those pictures he was wearing "a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit".
But since I didn't say that, it isn't any of those things.
Still, feel free to come back with another witty riposte skewering something else I never posted if it makes you feel good.

No, I guess you didn't say that about those pictures, in your post in the Captain America film thread immediately following a post of pictures of the film's costume.  What was I thinking, expecting your paragraph-long spew of bitterness to follow logically from anything.  My mistake.

I agree with Tom...I thought the X-Men costumes were pretty bad too (why couldn't they wear their comic costumes in the films, if Superman and Spider-Man did in their films?) and the over-usage of brown in the movie Cap's costume is really unnecessary (I really don't like the scads of pouches thing either).

Dana

[Shogunn2517]

Hey folks, I'm going to have go ahead against the grain here.  Not that I think THIS costume is great, but I'm confident that THIS isn't the final costume.  By the time we see Captain America in the present day, I'm overly confident it will not be THAT costume.  So quite frankly, I'm not sure how much I care how it looks now.  I think they purposely wanted it to look, old-fashioned, bootlegged, something-modern-costume-designers-wouldn't-design, because that's exactly what it supposed to be.

[Mr. Hamrick]

Hey folks, I'm going to have go ahead against the grain here.  Not that I think THIS costume is great, but I'm confident that THIS isn't the final costume.  By the time we see Captain America in the present day, I'm overly confident it will not be THAT costume.  So quite frankly, I'm not sure how much I care how it looks now.  I think they purposely wanted it to look, old-fashioned, bootlegged, something-modern-costume-designers-wouldn't-design, because that's exactly what it supposed to be. 

I think you are on to something there. 

Plus, if I may be a bugger here to a few of ya... there is a really good reason for the color scheme.  Equipment available at the time.  Bear with me...  much of that uniform looks like it could've just as easily been thrown together based on equipment found in the field as it was issued by the military.  The exceptions being the helmet, shield and maybe a few other pieces.  It wouldn't be too far fetched to see equipment salvaged off fallen troops by their fellow soldiers.  Especially if the alternative was the enemy getting their hands on it.

From what I see in that shot, it's Steve Rogers in his first outing as Cap.  By first outing I mean, before he is really "sanctioned" as being in service on the field.  He goes out with a combination of gear from the USO show and what field gear he can find to prove he can be on the front line and not be a liability.  From there, he gets a "red, white, and blue" uniform more in line with his USO outfit.

That said, I think Shogunn is spot on when he says that this is not the final costume.  However, I do agree that its not really that great of a costume.  However, I do not think there has ever been a logical explanation of why Cap never had "real service gear" in the original comics either.  I actually like parts of the Ultimate costume more than the original.

From a costume designer standpoint, and I've a good friend who is one, it's not uncommon for multiple costumes to be designed and used.  The biggest issue that usually comes up is THE MATERIAL.  And just because a material is readily available present day doesn't mean that it was when the action is suppose to happen.  I think this film is going to be a prime example of what happens when situations like that occur.

[murs47]

He looks like Steve.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28518

[JeyNyce]

WOW, I think he can pull this off, the looks, I mean.