The old Human Torch is the new Captain America

[BlueBard]

well guys we're talking about the 40's.the head wings fits perfect with that era.i dont have a problem with them because thats just part of caps look.when people start changing things its not done right then years later we have a cap reboot movie.from what ive read its gonna have a indiana jones,rocketeer,phantom feel to it.i cant wait to see cap fighting nazi's in ww2.let's not go with what we thinks gonna be better..lets go with whats worked all these MANY years.classic red, white, and blue CAPTAIN AMERICA!

I'm not talking about the 40's Cap.  I'm talking about the costume that we will (eventually) see in the Avengers movie.  I have no problem with the head wings if they look right... I simply have my doubts that they can make it look right (and not campy) in a live action film.  Aside from that, I would totally prefer them to get as close to the classic Captain America look as they can without losing believability.

What I mean by that is, the actor wearing the costume has to be able to move as if he were Cap.  If it makes him move stiffly or if it looks like wearing it is an effort, it's not going to work as well.  If the costume does not look as streamlined as it is in the comics, it's also not going to work that well.  Further, I would argue that Cap doesn't need an armored suit.  That's what the shield is for.  Anything Cap can't block, he evades.  And he really, really needs to move well with that shield; a bulky costume will just interfere with that.

[docdelorean88]

True, the sheild is relatively heavy from what i recall. Light enough to glide, but it has to be a bit hefty already so i can see your point on that. I LOVE the Ultimate Alliance 2 look, and i think it could be done well. I do think, that WWII Ultimates needs to be the main look for Cap in the Cap movie if it is a time piece, only because at that time he wasn't really a super hero... He was a soldier first and foremost. When he came to the present he became a superhero partially because of the avengers and partially because of the legend he had become.

[crimsonquill]

The main thing I'd like to point out about that Concept Art piece is that he based it on REAL technology that currently exists for military body armor. Sure it looks bulky but those that read the specs detail sheets on his deviantArt gallery show that the suit is made of heavy plastics, kevlar enhanced leathers and material, bulletproof glass over the chest and shoulder logos, and fireproof material for pants and joint areas... doesn't sound like a heavy suit of metal armor made by Tony Stark to me. Sounds like a state of the art combat suit and not any less unusual the prototype armor explained in the Batman Begins movie that Wayne adapted into his Batman suit. Captain America would want his uniform to withstand combat stress and small-arms fire that he can't swing his shield around to protect himself from. We also know from the Incredible Hulk movie that the original formula for the super-soldier enhancement would provide his body enough of a strength boost to more then make up for any extra weight that the suit would have on his movement in combat. And if you read the commentaries to the art design an actual soldier approved the design and stated that it would be very much like a suit of combat armor used in the field today if budget allowed for it. So while we may not see anything like a hi-tech suit in the Cap origin movie it would definitly be a good point to start from for his look in The Avengers.

The Iron Man movies also established that Cap's shield would be his classic round version at least once during his movie because Tony has a damaged shield that he keeps as a momento inside of his lab (it's seen on his desk in the first film and is rumored to be actually picked up and used in the second). I personally hope they use a version of the Ultimates WWII design for combat missions in that time era because it would make sense to be dressed like his fellow soldiers but still have enough of his traditional costume there to also be recognized as the inspirational icon he is meant to be. Now I wouldn't be surprised that we see a more classic costume version when he is first revealed to the general public during the USO tour.

- CQ

[docdelorean88]

CQ, you always know how to prove a point! Nicely done! That was kinda what i was thinking, just really well executed.

[Ares_God_of_War]

True, the sheild is relatively heavy from what i recall. Light enough to glide, but it has to be a bit hefty already so i can see your point on that. I LOVE the Ultimate Alliance 2 look, and i think it could be done well. I do think, that WWII Ultimates needs to be the main look for Cap in the Cap movie if it is a time piece, only because at that time he wasn't really a super hero... He was a soldier first and foremost. When he came to the present he became a superhero partially because of the avengers and partially because of the legend he had become.

Actually this is my whole reasoning with the Ultimate WWII costume as well. Add some wings to that helmet and maybe make it slightly brighter colors or something. I just think people would think a bright red, white and blue spandex costume in a period peice might be a little tough to swallow. Just like him having a teenage sidekick. He should have more of a costume in the present then in the past.

[GhostMachine]

I don't read the Ultimate line of comics, so I'm not too thrilled that they decided to use Ultimate Nick Fury in the Marvel movies. But I can let it slide since its Samuel L. Jackson. But Captain America is my favorite Marvel hero/ so if they give Cap a costume that looks more like the Ultimate Cap's than the regular Marvel Universe Cap's, I may very well get homicidal feelings. (Wouldn't mind it if he has WWII gear similar to Ultimate Cap's, but NOT the regular outfit!) Absolutely HAS to have the head wings and exposed ears.

One idea I thought of that they could do to explain the head wings in the movie that I would NOT want to see adopted in the comics is to have them be made of sharpened metal. That way they provide some protection to the area of his head around them AND could cause damage to anyone who hits him there with a bare hand.

[BlueBard]

The main thing I'd like to point out about that Concept Art piece is that he based it on REAL technology that currently exists for military body armor. Sure it looks bulky but those that read the specs detail sheets on his deviantArt gallery show that the suit is made of heavy plastics, kevlar enhanced leathers and material, bulletproof glass over the chest and shoulder logos, and fireproof material for pants and joint areas... doesn't sound like a heavy suit of metal armor made by Tony Stark to me. Sounds like a state of the art combat suit and not any less unusual the prototype armor explained in the Batman Begins movie that Wayne adapted into his Batman suit. Captain America would want his uniform to withstand combat stress and small-arms fire that he can't swing his shield around to protect himself from. We also know from the Incredible Hulk movie that the original formula for the super-soldier enhancement would provide his body enough of a strength boost to more then make up for any extra weight that the suit would have on his movement in combat. And if you read the commentaries to the art design an actual soldier approved the design and stated that it would be very much like a suit of combat armor used in the field today if budget allowed for it. So while we may not see anything like a hi-tech suit in the Cap origin movie it would definitly be a good point to start from for his look in The Avengers.

I admit, I did not read about the specs for the armor.  And I won't argue that it would be nice for a normal soldier to have such advanced combat armor.

BUT...

#1 - It looks so radically different from the classic Captain America look that it will be hard to accept.

#2 - Any armor that restricts full movement is by definition bulky.

#3 - The character may be a super soldier, but the actor wearing the armor won't be.  Yes, I realize a lot of the fighting will probably wind up as CGI and it probably won't matter so much.  But, again, anything that makes the actor appear as if he is wearing bulky armor, or move stiffly, is going to be a bad choice.

#4 - I don't like it.  You can refute points 1-3 all you want, but this one stands firm.

[BlueBard]

Another thought occurs to me...

Batman's armored costume allows him to shrug off weapons fire.  Not only does it protect him, a human of normal physiology, but it contributes to his fearsome, inhuman appearance.  Batman basically walks right through it and the bad guys have to wonder if he really is human.  You don't lose the essence of who Batman is by using the armor, and besides that it doesn't look much like armor.

Now, apply that to Captain America.  If he has literal armor that allows him to ignore weapons fire, what does he need a shield for?  Plus, I don't want to see Cap walking through it.  We get that effect with Iron Man.  I want to see Cap using his agility to avoid being hit in the first place and to close in for the fight.  It's a different visual effect.

One thing that the Spider-Man movies got right was translating webhead's fighting style from the comics into visual effects.  He moved like we expect Spidey to move.  That's really powerful immersion.

We need a similar viewpoint for Captain America's fighting style.  He needs to move like we expect Captain America to move, and it is probably going to be very consistent between the WWII movie and the Avengers movie.  We don't expect Cap to move like he's wearing armor... therefore he shouldn't wear any costume in either movie that makes it look like he is.

[Previsionary]

In other, non-speculative news, Red Skull has been cast! What say you, FRers. Is he up to your individual standards?

Marvel Studios announced today that Hugo Weaving has been cast to star as Johann Schmidt aka the Red Skull in the studio's highly anticipated movie "Captain America: The First Avenger" opposite Chris Evans and Hayley Atwell.  In the early comics, Johann Schmidt was drafted into loyal service of The Third Reich and renamed "The Red Skull."  The character will be updated for the feature adaptation.  Joe Johnston will direct the film penned by Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely.

...

Weaving was last seen in "The Wolfman" and his voice is very recognizable as Megatron from "Transformers" and "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" as well as Noah the Elder from "Happy Feet."  His other film credits include starring in "V For Vendetta," "The Matrix" franchise and "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy.

[Podmark]

Wasn't that confirmed a while ago? I can see him being a good Skull.

[Previsionary]

Wasn't that confirmed a while ago? I can see him being a good Skull.

I don't recall it being confirmed, considering Marvel just did so today. . It was reported that he was in "final talks" a few months ago though.

[BlueBard]

Looking at the banner for that press release, I'd say any questions about his WWII costume have most likely been answered.

Spoiler

I don't think it's a terrible stretch to assume that is based off actual concept art.  Doesn't have to be, of course, but it's a strong possibility.

[docdelorean88]

Hmm. Interesting!

[JeyNyce]

I'm surprise nobody didn't say this:

Maybe Cap will have 2 types of outfits.  One from WWII and one for the Avengers movie, or at least it will get updated.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

New villain announced--Arnim Zola.

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/05/captain-america-toby-jones-to-play-scientist-supervillain.html

[JeyNyce]

New villain announced--Arnim Zola.

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/05/captain-america-toby-jones-to-play-scientist-supervillain.html

He looks just like him. 

[Podmark]

Supposed description for the Cap movie costume:
http://www.spinoffonline.com/2010/06/01/close-your-eyes-and-imagine-the-captain-america-costume/

[BentonGrey]

If that's accurate, it sounds like more or less what I expected, though I can't say I wouldn't be disappointed if it turns out to be true.

[deano_ue]

thats fan art that been passed around sites

[BentonGrey]

thats fan art that been passed around sites

TUE, the article isn't actually about the fan art.  That is just there for color.  The article is about someone who supposedly saw it describing the Captain America costume.

[BlueBard]

For the WWII movie, I can deal with that description of the costume.  I would hope that Cap gets the more iconic look in the Avengers movie.

Interesting that we'll get both the Red Skull and Arnim Zola in the WWII movie.  It fits pretty well, I'd say.

[docdelorean88]

I agree with the description up to the red straps. I really like the suit shown on the redskull banner though, i really like the way it looks.

[Podmark]

Newsarama has another article about the costume with some art.

[BentonGrey]

Well, if that's true (and I am still not ready to accept it until I see an actual picture), it could be worse.  I really miss the head wings.  I feel like the head of the costume is just too boring without them.  Anyway, if they were gonna' go this route, I would have actually prefered they do something like this: http://www.ifanboy.com/files/images/marvel/Ultimate%20Captain%20America.jpg

As much as I hate the Ultimates, at least that costume makes a certain amount of sense, since it looks like a modified service uniform.

Either way, I agree with Bluebard, I hope we'll see a more iconic version in the Avengers.

[deano_ue]

cap costume designs

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45326

[docdelorean88]

Now THAT I like(and i change my mind about the stripes)! I do agree with Benson however, i feel that the classic war garbs should be used in this one. I feel the concept art is a modernised version of the wwII garbs. I think this real design would work well for his modern look. Its definitely good lookin though. EDIT: Might i also add that the model is clearly based off of Chris Evans. Perhaps a bit more aged, but if Evans can buff out a tad, than i think this could be good.

[Podmark]

If that is the actual costume:

1. the design looks too modern to be used in WWII.

2. Overall I like. Again I'd prefer something closer the MUA2 look but I could live with Cap looking like this.

[murs47]

That doesnt look very WW2-ish. What Benton posted (Ultimate Cap WW2) is what I was hoping it would look like. At least cut out all those leg seams so it doesn't look too modern.

If it's his look after he's revived then it's fine.

[Podmark]

possible art based on this description again surfacing:

http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/captain%20America.jpg

Yeah me and UE posted that above.

[Courtnall6]

See what realism brings to comics kids...horrible costume designs! Yay!

Yet another swing and a miss from Hollywood here. These boys are waaaay behind on the count. It always amazes me when they bury a character in body armour that relies on speed and agility in combat. Plus all those awesome pouches that he'll never use.

It looks like they might get the shield right...I guess that's something.