Anyone here like Sith Edition for Force Unleashed?

[captmorgan72]

Luckily I never bought any DLC for Force Unleashed so all of the Sith Edition is new for me. I really am enjoying it. Three new levels and tons of skins. Being able to continue the darkside story is awesome. My favorite Sith Lord Starkiller skin is easily the Sith Assassin one. His eyes are the same as Maul and Sidious and he just looks fantastic. I just wished he had a animated face when you use it.   

[bat1987]

I enjoyed it quite a bit, it was actually my first time playing through Force Unleashed, since this is its first time on PC.
That being said, I loved the additional levels, especially the Battle with Luke on Hoth!

[TheMarvell]

I bought this about a year ago when it was the regular edition. I really enjoyed the game and thought it was a blast, but I am kind of annoyed at this "ultimate" edition. Don't get me wrong. I think it's great for those who haven't played it yet. But it seems like a big middle finger when developers come out with a cheaper edition with all the bells and whistles to those who bought the original game on launch for full price and have to pay even more for the extra content. I really think it's unfair. If they're going to come out with that, then the least they can do is make the extra content free as DLC, or at least reduced greatly in price. This isn't the first game to do this, nor will it be the last. There's almost no reason to buy a game on launch anymore, when in a year they'll come out with a new version with more content for a cheaper price.

Other games that did this: Resident Evil 5. Mass Effect. Street Fighter 4. Fallout 3. Left 4 Dead. And those are just off the top of my head.

[Trelau]

There's almost no reason to buy a game on launch anymore, when in a year they'll come out with a new version with more content for a cheaper price.

The only reason to buy a game at launch is to "support" the game. they won't bother making an "ultimate" edition of a game who failed. but for every blockbuster game yes, there's no reason to buy it at first release. it's like street fighter IV, i can't believe people were surprised when they annouced the "new better and improved" version a few month later

otherwise i 'm really enjoying this ultimate sith edition. the bonus mission are really nice (especially Hot). so i'm having fun, except all my friends bought the first version of the game and finished it months ago...

[captmorgan72]

I forgot to mention this one part that I really loved

Spoiler

At the start of the Tatooine mission, Starkiller contacts Palpatine and Palpatine addresses him rather painfully as "my apprentice". Looks like he changed his mind about taking Starkiller as his apprentice.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

I bought this about a year ago when it was the regular edition. I really enjoyed the game and thought it was a blast, but I am kind of annoyed at this "ultimate" edition. Don't get me wrong. I think it's great for those who haven't played it yet. But it seems like a big middle finger when developers come out with a cheaper edition with all the bells and whistles to those who bought the original game on launch for full price and have to pay even more for the extra content. I really think it's unfair. If they're going to come out with that, then the least they can do is make the extra content free as DLC, or at least reduced greatly in price. This isn't the first game to do this, nor will it be the last. There's almost no reason to buy a game on launch anymore, when in a year they'll come out with a new version with more content for a cheaper price.

Eh, that's a stupid argument, no offense.  That's basically the way ALL PC games already work, even if it's not the usual way with platform games.  You can buy games now for a fraction of the original games price that already includes all updates, expansions and such that early players payed full price for.  Nothing at all unusual about this.

[TheMarvell]

I bought this about a year ago when it was the regular edition. I really enjoyed the game and thought it was a blast, but I am kind of annoyed at this "ultimate" edition. Don't get me wrong. I think it's great for those who haven't played it yet. But it seems like a big middle finger when developers come out with a cheaper edition with all the bells and whistles to those who bought the original game on launch for full price and have to pay even more for the extra content. I really think it's unfair. If they're going to come out with that, then the least they can do is make the extra content free as DLC, or at least reduced greatly in price. This isn't the first game to do this, nor will it be the last. There's almost no reason to buy a game on launch anymore, when in a year they'll come out with a new version with more content for a cheaper price.

Eh, that's a stupid argument, no offense.  That's basically the way ALL PC games already work, even if it's not the usual way with platform games.  You can buy games now for a fraction of the original games price that already includes all updates, expansions and such that early players payed full price for.  Nothing at all unusual about this.

PC games work differently since almost all DLC is free by default. Unless that's changed in the last year. It might not be all that unusual, but how can you defend it when several additions aren't even available as DLC? The Hoth mission is one of them. Most DLC is ridiculously overpriced anyways (another argument entirely) but at least it's offered. Otherwise it's a pretty crap tactic just to get you to pay another $30 whatever dollars.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Actally, that has changed recently as far as DLC for PC game.  Dragon Age, Fallout 3, and the upcoming Mass Effect 2 all feature it, Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 also had it.  In the case of the older ones, the DLC was later bundled into much cheaper editions for the PC.

[TheMarvell]

are you talking about official expansion packs or DLC? Because, while they're similar in nature, they're not the same. A good example of what I'm talking about is the Call of Duty games map packs. They're free on PC. They cost $15-$20 on a console. An expansion pack would naturally have more maps, but you'd also get an entire new campaign as well.

In the case of Force Unleashed, the Sith Edition includes features that those who bought the original game can't buy in the marketplace (like the Hoth level). Of course, since this is the first time PC users can buy the game, it doesn't matter, but I'm obviously talking more about the console version.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Yes, I do know the difference, even if it's not that great.

The NWN games were one of the earliest to do this.  NWN 1 had two explansion packs, but also several downloadable campagns that cost $5-10 bucks each.  Some were later bundled with the gold edition.

Fallout 3 also has had several DLC bits, a few of which have been re-released on DVD.  These are the same as on other platforms.

Dragon Age has the same DLC available on PC as on other platfors at the same price.  ME2 plans on doing the same thing.

[Podmark]

The DLC thing is likely the future of gaming. The majority of games will likely do it. Well that's almost true already.

Cheaper packs with all the extras have been pretty common for a while now. I can feel your pain when there's stuff only in that pack that you want to play but have the originals, but I'd guess those are included as an incentive to ensure a certain level of sales.

I haven't played the Force Unleashed yet, so I'll be getting the Ultimate Sith edition sometime in the future.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

DLC certainly is the wave of the future, because there's something about people that they'll pay smaller amount of money more often, even if they end up paying more at the end.  That's why credit cards are so popular and businesses like Rent A Center exist.  Dragon Age has made over a million in DLC sales so far.  Likely two by now, the mil was from a few weeks ago.  Starcraft II apparently will now be doing this as well, selling "premium maps."

[BlueBard]

If DLC is the future, and companies are willing to charge less to make more...

Why then are new games sold at a premium of around $50?  Why pay $50 when I know that one way or the other that game is going to be sold for far less than that if I wait long enough?

With, of course, the bonus that I haven't had to rush into any PC upgrades to play a game... thus saving even more money.

Now if a new game was released for half that but there was a lot of DLC available for a fee... yes, I'd probably pay the fees for the extra content I wanted for a game that I've experienced and know I'll enjoy.  Because I can spread that cost out over time, instead of all up front for a game that I might not even enjoy.

The point is not that companies are willing to charge less to make more.  It's that they're willing to keep charging to suck every potential penny out of every game they make for as long as they can.  Not that there's anything wrong with that... but let's call it what it is.

[Sevenforce]

In regards to Mass Effect 2, I kinda understand their tactic - each game sold will come with a one-time use only code to download a DLC pack. So, to those who will be buying second hand, they don't get the code, they'll get no DLC.

I also agree DLC is the future, and sadly agree with BlueBard as to it being a money-grabbing technique. However, on the flip side, it can probably help combat piracy. Sort of. I mean, look at the Fallout 3 DLC

It's a good idea, and I can see why, leading into the second topic:

If DLC is the future, and companies are willing to charge less to make more...

Why then are new games sold at a premium of around $50?  Why pay $50 when I know that one way or the other that game is going to be sold for far less than that if I wait long enough?

I can't get to the article right now, seems hackers took down their database (!) but there's a study on hyperbolic discounting that states that people will quite happily pay more immediately for something, than wait a long time and pay less.

It has something to do with the way the brain views time in relation to wealth/gain factors, or, to be more precise, the LACK of functions the brain performs for that purpose. In an evolutionary sense, we are economically crippled, because our brains have no in-built realisation for deferred satisfaction, or the concept of future in regards to money. Case in point - credit cards, and loans that cannot possibly be paid back

Basically...we'll pay more for something NOW because it's there, because we can see it and its quantifiable, than wait a couple of months for a cheaper product, because, to our brains, its NOT there, its possible but not certain.

[Trelau]

I also agree DLC is the future, and sadly agree with BlueBard as to it being a money-grabbing technique. However, on the flip side, it can probably help combat piracy. Sort of.

really? because i really feel conforted in my ways when i see dlc pack and dlc pack being released month after month. Games are already too expensive, and intentionally releasing an unfinished game so that the week after you can ask for 10 extra bucks to complete it, that's not good buisiness. They obviously don't respect consumers anymore, i don't see why i should respect editor. Especially when they keep firing employees even thought they're making a buttload of profit. I've work for a video game compagny (don't know if i can say who here), and i've got friends who worked or still works in videogames compagny. The industry don't respect their employees anymore, and consumers are there to get milked. That's their policy. They're still a few responsible studio out there, releasing new games at 40? instead of 60/70, offering great technical support and NO DRM. Those games i buy full price with a big smile. The other one i just grab a pack with "+ dlc" at the end of the torrent name. And i sure as hell don't feel guilty.

[daerdevil]

So, Sith Edition for Force Unleashed sounds pretty good.

[BWPS]

I also agree DLC is the future, and sadly agree with BlueBard as to it being a money-grabbing technique. However, on the flip side, it can probably help combat piracy. Sort of.

really? because i really feel conforted in my ways when i see dlc pack and dlc pack being released month after month. Games are already too expensive, and intentionally releasing an unfinished game so that the week after you can ask for 10 extra bucks to complete it, that's not good buisiness. They obviously don't respect consumers anymore, i don't see why i should respect editor. Especially when they keep firing employees even thought they're making a buttload of profit. I've work for a video game compagny (don't know if i can say who here), and i've got friends who worked or still works in videogames compagny. The industry don't respect their employees anymore, and consumers are there to get milked. That's their policy. They're still a few responsible studio out there, releasing new games at 40? instead of 60/70, offering great technical support and NO DRM. Those games i buy full price with a big smile. The other one i just grab a pack with "+ dlc" at the end of the torrent name. And i sure as hell don't feel guilty.

Unfinished game? I've never seen a DLC that seems like its finishing an unfinished game. It always feels like additional bonus content which I welcome if the game is good and don't bother if it wasn't. DRM sucks, and I hate it in practice (one of the reasons I don't bother with PC games anymore), but it literally is YOUR fault that they add it. And while its all well and good that you don't feel guilty for stealing, companies are going to sell games at a price that makes them the most money which is the right thing to do. I think cars are too expensive but I don't steal them. But I guess most people don't steal cars because its more difficult than a mouse click. Sweet new games are expensive and difficult to make and the good ones are worth the money, and the bad ones aren't and hopefully don't get bought. And really, a responsible company selling a game for 40 is probably just realizing that their game has less hype than the big studios' games and so has to sell it for less. Amateur game makers aside, every company has a policy of getting money from the consumer which is why they take the time and money required to make the games.

Star Wars.

[Trelau]

(this post was off topic and against forum rule, i deleted it myself; sorry for the inconvenience)

[BlueBard]

Trelau, I am not a moderator nor an administrator for FR, but I feel that I should point out that the leaders of this forum have collectively (and likely unanimously) decided that software piracy, which is illegal, is not something that FR should condone in any way.

http://freedomreborn.net/forums/index.php?topic=48894.0

The rule states that members will not advocate this practice.  Whatever your personal opinions on the topic, please don't try to sell piracy as a harmless activity.  Bottom line, it's illegal in the US and many other countries and nothing more needs to be stated.

[BWPS]

About your very capitalist idea that the cheapest game have to be less good than the other most expensive ones (another insanity wich we have maketing all over the world to thanks for) the compagny that makes cheaper drm free game is Stardock.
The games is question are Sins of a Solar Empire and Demigod, both incredibly good games.
They do have a policy to make money from the consumer. But not not "make the most money possible". Putting a fair price on a product and not making insane marge of profit on them is what i called being responsible. Profit is good, but selling 1 million games  1 dollar a piece is in my mind more interesting than selling 1 game at 1 million a piece.

I'm not going to argue with any reasons that taking a game you didn't pay for isn't stealing so we're just going to disagree because I'm not going to be able to convince you and we've already derailed the topic (sorry).

But trust me, I did not say that the cheaper games are less good. I said it didn't have the hype or marketing to compete with a top company's franchise game or one that has an ad next to Brett Favre in a playoff game. I mean look at Freedom Force, one of if not the best PC game ever, it was well-received and was on the $10-20 rack within 2 months. People wouldn't buy it at $50 because it wasn't as huge as Unreal 2 or GTA3 or whatever it had to compete with at the time. They didn't sell it for cheap because they love us (which I really think they do), they did it because that's how much it would sell for.

[Trelau]

Sorry about that;
Let's take a fresh start

So, Sith Edition for Force Unleashed sounds pretty good.

it is indeed

[captmorgan72]

Something I always wondered was why didn't Starkiller have those sith yellow eyes like Palpatine and Darth Maul. He was raised and trained as a Sith wasn't he?

[Trelau]

we could come up with an excuse like "yes, but he didn't embraces fully the power of the dark side" but that really just for looks. he's the main character, he has to look nice 

but on this note, i wish that they would come up with a sytem like fable, where your character's look depends on the way you play. that way if you really go dark side, you could get the yellow eyes and the decrepit skin.  i know there are tons of costume, but i usually end up using only two or three

[captmorgan72]

we could come up with an excuse like "yes, but he didn't embraces fully the power of the dark side" but that really just for looks. he's the main character, he has to look nice 

but on this note, i wish that they would come up with a sytem like fable, where your character's look depends on the way you play. that way if you really go dark side, you could get the yellow eyes and the decrepit skin.  i know there are tons of costume, but i usually end up using only two or three

KOTOR also had this. I remember that the more evil I was the more my appearance would change. You are right, that would have been awesome. I guess you are right about Starkiller not fully embracing the darkside. He was more of a dark jedi than Sith. Using force lightning I would have thought would bring you close to embracing the dark side.

[electro]

Even more DLC comming your way: http://www.starwars.com/games/videogames/news20100218tfu/index.html

[captmorgan72]

Even more DLC comming your way: http://www.starwars.com/games/videogames/news20100218tfu/index.html

Hasn't this DLC already been available for awhile now? I have played it many times already.

[electro]

Not for the Xbox 360 - I dunno about the PS3 or PC versions

[captmorgan72]

This is a part of the Sith Edition, that's what I was thinking of.

[captmorgan72]

Didn't want to start another Force Unleashed thread so I'm using this one. I was looking for mods for the pc version and discovered on youtube that the wii version has duel mode. I was like WTF! I never knew this. It actually looks pretty awesome and I was wondering why the flaming hell this mode wasn't also on the Xbox 360 and PS3. There are 9 different planet arenas and 27 characters to choose from. Vader being one of them. Now that I own a wii however, I am going to have to pick this up.

[detourne_me]

I think it's funny that this game takes up almost 20 gigs.  Seriously, when i run windirstat the game is the biggest thing on my harddrive.