http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/172437-joss-whedons-shield-comes-to-abc (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/172437-joss-whedons-shield-comes-to-abc)
QuoteIt was revealed earlier this month that Joss Whedon had signed an exclusive deal with Marvel Studios to, among other things, help develop a new live action series for Marvel Television at ABC. Today, Deadline has revealed that, now greenlit by ABC, the series will be titled "S.H.I.E.L.D." and will focus on the top secret defense organization featured throughout the Marvel cinematic universe.
I'm very hopeful that this series would give Marvel Studios room to introduce other heroes into their movieverse which might not be big name enough to earn their own feature film. Plus it might allow them to test the waters with revamped characters which have fallen into limbo now that their rights are falling back into Marvel's hands (i.e. Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Blade, etc). I'd love to see them come up with an Avengers Initiative squad for the series which has them investigating superhuman activity allowing them for lots of cameos as well as featuring flashbacks of Agent Coulson, Black Widow, and Hawkeye in their earlier missions.
Guess we will have to see what happens for the 2013 Fall season. :)
Well, one hero that I fully expect to be in there is Ms. Marvel. Could they introduce Wasp and Henry Pym through the series too?
Quote from: crimsonquill on August 29, 2012, 02:53:51 AM
http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/172437-joss-whedons-shield-comes-to-abc (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/172437-joss-whedons-shield-comes-to-abc)
QuoteIt was revealed earlier this month that Joss Whedon had signed an exclusive deal with Marvel Studios to, among other things, help develop a new live action series for Marvel Television at ABC. Today, Deadline has revealed that, now greenlit by ABC, the series will be titled "S.H.I.E.L.D." and will focus on the top secret defense organization featured throughout the Marvel cinematic universe.
I'm very hopeful that this series would give Marvel Studios room to introduce other heroes into their movieverse which might not be big name enough to earn their own feature film. Plus it might allow them to test the waters with revamped characters which have fallen into limbo now that their rights are falling back into Marvel's hands (i.e. Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Blade, etc). I'd love to see them come up with an Avengers Initiative squad for the series which has them investigating superhuman activity allowing them for lots of cameos as well as featuring flashbacks of Agent Coulson, Black Widow, and Hawkeye in their earlier missions.
Guess we will have to see what happens for the 2013 Fall season. :)
While I don't expect them to feature the big names from the movies, at least not very often, SHIELD is a big enough organization that it shouldn't be too hard for them to come up with a cast of characters. If they do it right, it could be a very good things indeed.
I would love some synergy with the show and the movies, so that a (super) character on the show could make a cameo in the Thor movie, or something along those lines.
I'm really interested to see what heroes they are going to have on the show. There's also bound to be a significant amount of villains on the show, so I hope they choose some interesting ones. I have a feeling Viper/Madame Hydra is going to be in there, with the Hydra ties and all from the movie.
This sounds great. I wonder if Maria Hill will be leading the show as colbie smulders (sp?) is pretty comfortable with tv work.
I'd love to see the show go all steranko, with lots of agent 13, contessa, jimmy woo etc. and I guess they could bring back coulson if it was a prequel.
I'm hoping scorpio and the zodiac are major enemies.
Quote from: detourne_me on August 29, 2012, 05:01:09 PM
This sounds great. I wonder if Maria Hill will be leading the show as colbie smulders (sp?) is pretty comfortable with tv work.
I'd love to see the show go all steranko, with lots of agent 13, contessa, jimmy woo etc. and I guess they could bring back coulson if it was a prequel.
I'm hoping scorpio and the zodiac are major enemies.
I've pondered the Cobie question. She's already part of the TV show "How I Met Your Mother" on CBS and I don't see her being written out of the series. A recurring role would be possible. She's signed on to 9 appearances as Maria Hill for Marvel films which is the same deal that Sam Jackson did as Nick Fury. I'd say the odds are not very likely that she'd do both.
I'm actually thinking that they introduce Daisy Johnson as a primary character because she is the "current" executive director in the comics. (from what I understand) From there, the movie cast makes either cameo or recurring appearances.
Very excited to see where this goes!
On Coulson, Spoiler
I really believe they missed the mark by not having him show up at the end of the movie. He could have popped into a scene with Fury on the Hellcarrier and everyone is surprised except Fury, who grins. Or he could have shown up as the heroes were dispersing and been like, "Yeah, sorry guys. Fury thought you needed the push. Cap, can I get that signature? Tony, tell Pepper we are good for lunch on Tuesday. Widow, Hawkeye here is your next assignment."
I still believe they will bring him back. I understand the need for his death in the movie, it was a plot device. But when they bring him back for this show or the next movie it will feel forced. When it could have been better done during Marvel's Avengers.[/color]
Hey hey, that's cool. :) This certainly has tons and tons of potential. I agree with most of what's been said already, and I hope that Marvel will continue to live up to the standard of awesomeness they've set. :thumbup:
I really do they test the waters with this show. It would be a great tie-in to the Antman movie.
We may even get to see the one true Nick Fury, The Hoff!
Certainly some potential with this idea. Here's hoping!
Ms. Marvel (Carol Danvers) would be a perfect character to have as a pilot for SHIELD and somehow introduce her getting her powers at the hands of Kree technology. Plus I could definitely see Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne be introduced as background or cameo appearance characters working/consulting for SHIELD as scientists before they become heroes themselves.
I agree that Hydra and Zodiac would be great regular villains for the show and probably even AIM since they are getting their debut in Iron Man 3.
As far as Coulson..
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Looking closely at how careful that script writers for Marvel Studios have been with all of the Avengers tie-in movies.. something tells me that the Avengers DVD will include a cut scene or surprise alternate ending which has Coulson appearing with a line that nobody in SHIELD is stupid enough to face an enemy alone without a backup plan. Something along the lines of the line Fury used on Maria Hill during Civil War/Secret Invasion hinting that she should always use a life model decoy when she felt a gut instinct that she could be betrayed/killed.
It's just that the writers and Whedon made sure to insert the line "You have reached Tony Stark's life model decoy please leave a message if it's something urgent." when Coulson was calling Stark and before he entered in the elevator. I'm pretty sure that was a deliberate easter egg and foreshadow to what happened with Coulson in the final battle. It pretty much establishes that Stark is aware that SHIELD uses LMD's or might have even designed them for SHIELD knowing they used them way too much.
My guess is the studio probably had plans to reveal Coulson being alive at the end originally but decided to save it for another time or a SHIELD movie/series where they could explain LMD's in much better detail once they showed how he survived his "death" at the hands of Loki.
All of you guys have great ideas as for what MIGHT happen during the TV show, but think about it for a moment. It's a TV show. They will not have the big budget like they would with movies. Even though Disney is probably paying for it, I don't think they will going all out with special effects and stuff. I hope I'm wrong, but I not going to get too excited just yet.
SHIELD (not going to bother with the dots, use your imagination) didn't usually tackle superhuman villains, especially not the big guns of the Marvel U. More likely to see them tangling with Hydra, AIM, other terrorist organizations, and megacorps gone bad with the occasional superhero appearance. All kinds of room for minor Marvel characters to show up, along with a few that aren't superpowered or wouldn't need lots of CGI and SFX.
What's got me wondering is how they're going to handle Tony Stark/Iron Man and Nick Fury.
Tony's always been very involved with SHIELD, but IM would need lots of CGI and I doubt they're going to get Robert Downey Jr. Ditto for Samuel L. Jackson. Cameos, maybe, but even that's iffy.
Jey and BB,
I had the same reactions at first, but then I started thinking of some of the groundbreaking scenes in 24, Lost, Falling Sky, and even No Ordinary Family or such. They could definately do a good TV show with the material. I hated the Knight Rider remake a few years back (with the RK Mustang), but there were some good CGI shots in the show (see the episode with K.A.R.R? He transforms!)
Anyway, one of the biggest summer flicks of all time is getting a television show spin-off, and Whedon is working on it... It really is hard not to get excited about this show.
Quote from: JeyNyce on August 30, 2012, 12:39:38 PM
All of you guys have great ideas as for what MIGHT happen during the TV show, but think about it for a moment. It's a TV show. They will not have the big budget like they would with movies. Even though Disney is probably paying for it, I don't think they will going all out with special effects and stuff. I hope I'm wrong, but I not going to get too excited just yet.
Don't be a dream killer, you dream killer. Allow us to revel in the idea of a TV show with Ms Marvel and Cloak and Dagger and the New Warriors fighting the Masters of Evil, with SHIELD on the sidelines, even if it's not going to happen.
Of course, you are right, though. I'm sure they'll have some special effects going on, but nothing warranting the budget of a movie.
I would not be surprised, however, if they borrowed some effects from the movies. Maybe you won't have RDJ playing Iron Man, but you may see him zoom overhead.
I wonder if they'll use Hawkeye and/or Black Widow, and whether they might recast. Don't know about Jeremy Renner -- I'd never heard of him but it seems he's got an impressive list of credits -- but Scarlett Johansson is definitely big-ticket.
Recasting any of the main characters could be a risky proposition with more movies on the way. But how the heck can you do SHIELD without Nick Fury and the Black Widow?
Fury could be pulled off with short cameos, I guess. Hawkeye and Black Widow they could probably say are undercover somewhere. But having Hawkeye would let them put Mockingbird in there, which would be cool.
Quote from: BlueBard on August 30, 2012, 01:28:32 PM
More likely to see them tangling with Hydra, AIM, other terrorist organizations, and megacorps gone bad with the occasional superhero appearance.
Aliens. I forgot Aliens. And don't we have lots of THOSE to choose from?
Remember SHIELD is a large organization. Most of its agents never even see their director, Black Widow or any of those other specific things directly. We'll probably focus on a small shield team made up of new agents pulled partly from the comics and partly original.
Personally, I'm not expecting SHIELD to be as big budget and effects laden as The Avengers.
What I am expecting is for some various concepts and characters to be introduced into the "Marvel Movie & TV Universe" and thus to mainstream audiences. It is a given that all of us on this forum know what SHIELD is and know more or less about the various characters who are involved with them and groups who have fought against them. However, mainstream audiences have had minimal exposure to much of SHIELD beyond the material presented in the IM, IM 2, Thor, Cap, and Avengers movies. They were barely even mentioned in the Incredible Hulk movie.
So, I expect to see AIM and Hydra introduced as SHIELD adversaries. Key HYDRA and AIM agents will likely be introduced but not as regular villains and I don't expect an extensive amount of them to be introduced. Viper, Taskmaster, Baron Zemo, and a few others at best with maybe the odd "merc type" here and there.
And of course the main focus will be on SHIELD agents. Will Barton and Romanov be in there? Unless they get Renner and Scarlett to come in for a short story arc of episodes then I don't expect they will get much more than a mention. Will Nick Fury be in there? The only points I could see him being needed to show up is as a tie in to Avengers II. There are other "senior agents" who can fill the same function that Fury would have. Also, given that it IS Joss Whedon, I expect to see Ms. Marvel, Jessica Drew (original Spider Woman), Daisy Johnson, or some other high profile female Marvel character or two in there since Whedon likes having strong female characters in his work. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of Whedon's favorites actors and actresses to work with showing up either. I'm just worried we are gonna see Summer Glau in a SHIELD uniform which could be bad news for the series. (Not sure if anyone will get the joke there. Sad thing is that I like Summer.)
However, I don't see anything the scale of The Avengers. It'd almost be counter-productive to even try to produce something that scale on a TV series.
I should add that Summer has been guest staring in Alphas which has done quite well for herself, but the Glau curse may be over. Maybe. We can only hope.
But yeah, I expect Hamrick has it about right.
I'd expect something closer to Item 47 (agents sent out to deal with a threat or investigating an appearance of a new hero) but with a larger cast of reoccurring characters as SHIELD agents.
I'd really love to see Taskmaster show up on the villain side working for Hydra and then flip to join SHIELD so they can have Whedon's classic former villain who joins the good guys plot line.
- CQ
Quote from: crimsonquill on September 01, 2012, 02:24:02 AM
I'd expect something closer to Item 47 (agents sent out to deal with a threat or investigating an appearance of a new hero) but with a larger cast of reoccurring characters as SHIELD agents.
I'd really love to see Taskmaster show up on the villain side working for Hydra and then flip to join SHIELD so they can have Whedon's classic former villain who joins the good guys plot line.
- CQ
but did Taskmaster do that in the comics? (sorry, i don't honestly recall.)
and yeah, hopefully the Glau curse is over.
though personally, I have it on good authority that Felicia Day looks hot in blue "spandex" (or whatever Cobie's outfit was made of in Avengers). *smirks*
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on September 01, 2012, 05:38:13 AM
but did Taskmaster do that in the comics? (sorry, i don't honestly recall.)
Taskmaster went "mercenary for good" for awhile starting in Deadpool (where he adopted a different costume), then later was hired by SHIELD to train new heroes during Civil War/Secret Invasion, and pretty much remained a neutral character for awhile in various titles including Thunderbolts where he was hired by Luke Cage to help rehabilitate the inmates. Not sure what Taskmaster is currently up to in the current AvX story arc but since a cover I saw had him back in his old costume he probably is back to his old villain training ways again.
- CQ
Here's a question for you guys: Have there been any new characters introduced in the Marvel comics recently? I figure Marvel would put the character in the comics and then maybe put then in the show. Then again they just might do the opposite, put them on the show and then in the comics.
Quote from: JeyNyce on September 03, 2012, 03:13:25 AM
Here's a question for you guys: Have there been any new characters introduced in the Marvel comics recently? I figure Marvel would put the character in the comics and then maybe put then in the show. Then again they just might do the opposite, put them on the show and then in the comics.
That's how we got Firestar if I remember correctly, and she's always been a favorite of mine.
BIG NEWS!!!!!Spoiler
Clark Gregg will be headlining Marvel's SHIELD live-action television show as.... Agent Phil Coulson!!!!!
http://www.newsarama.com/tv/nycc-2012-marvel-tv-panel.html (http://www.newsarama.com/tv/nycc-2012-marvel-tv-panel.html)
Great News, but that also mans that it takes place before the Avengers movie, During the 5 yrs before.
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 13, 2012, 09:56:48 PM
Great News, but that also mans that it takes place before the Avengers movie, During the 5 yrs before.
Not necessarily...
Spoiler
Coulson could be revealed to not have died at all - the confirmation of his death is off-camera, and only reported by Nick Fury, known-manipulator, over the radio. Maybe he actually pulled through. Or the internet favourite theory - the Coulson we saw die was a life model decoy.
More about this announcement, with some hints that it was indeed a lmd.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41604
And the rest of the characters:
http://tvline.com/2012/10/01/joss-whedon-s-h-i-e-l-d-casting/
That's great news. I'm glad I was wrong about Coulson.
I've been curious about the timeline of the series since the announcement of it. With the news that
Spoiler
Coulson lives and will be headlining the series
, I'm getting even more curious.
a)
Will the series directly tie into the movies, specifically Avengers I and II? Before anyone goes off, hear me out on this. It doesn't "have" to. It could very easily be what happened prior to the events of the first Iron Man film. Furthermore, it could be events running parallel to the movies prior to Avengers. My point here is that there are ways that this could be made something that runs parallel to the movies with the only direct tie-in being Coulson.
b)
But that guy is there, that is a direct tie in. Yes, and the only one that has been confirmed. There has been nothing said about the series being part of a set-up for a second Avengers or even events just prior to The Avengers. Note: how much of a timeframe was being covered between the events of Iron Man, Thor, Iron Man II, and the END of Captain America (after Steve woke in the SHIELD room in NYC). Personally, I've been hoping that the series will allow for the introduction of a few new Marvel heroes into the "Marvel live-action film and tv world". I want to see them introduce other elements of the SHIELD lore (HYDRA, AIM, etc) into the mix as well as characters. I would love to see some Marvel heroes and villains introduced into the mix and then put into Avengers II. (I'm thinking Ms. Marvel, Henry Pym, Ultron, Taskmaster, Jessica Drew, Wasp for a few.)
c)
How long is that guy going to be there for? Here is a fun question. The second Avengers movie comes out in 2014. Could the first season be a combination of stuff from before the first film and just after? There is usually a mid-season hiatus these days with most series, especially on the networks. So it is possible that this could be the plan. However, it sounds like Whedon is committed to having
that guy has the backbone of the series. Another interesting thought is that with Cobie Smulders possibly ending her run on "How I Met Your Mother" this season, it could free her up to jump to the SHIELD series. She has signed on for seven Marvel projects which is the same amount that Sam Jackson did.
Apparently more recent announcements have confirmed that Coulson will be the main character, that the series take place in the movie universe, and that it takes place after the Avengers movie.
Ohh heck yeah! I would watch the HECK out of that show! I'm definitely in!
Oh, I forgot to mention that shooting on the pilot is scheduled to begin in January, so the show, should it be picked up, and why wouldn't it be, would air next fall.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 06, 2012, 04:37:23 AM
Oh, I forgot to mention that shooting on the pilot is scheduled to begin in January, so the show, should it be picked up, and why wouldn't it be, would air next fall.
I'm pretty sure that the pilot will be picked up. If that is the case then it will definitely be lead up to The Avengers II. I'd venture a guess that one or two characters from the show will appear in the movie or a character who will be in the movie will debut on the show. I'd not be surprised to see a vet like Ming Na jump between the two as she has the "name value" to do it. (She was in the Oscar nominated Joy Luck Club and on the TV series ER. I'm gonna forget her involvement in the awful Street Fighter film.) If you are not aware of what I am talking about then go here:http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/10/24/joss-whedon-shield-ming-na/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/10/24/joss-whedon-shield-ming-na/)
It's going to be interesting to see how they expand the Marvel Movie-verse with this series.
I'm pretty sure the show will get picked up. I'm just wondering, since it will probably be on ABC and Disney will be backing the show will they have RDJ or anybody else guest star on the show?
I doubt he'd do an actual guest spot, but they'd have access to the footage from the movies, might be able to get him to do a scene while filming one of the movies, plus they could probably get their hands on the suit if they wanted to do Iron Man without RDJ.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 09, 2012, 03:09:21 AM
I doubt he'd do an actual guest spot, but they'd have access to the footage from the movies, might be able to get him to do a scene while filming one of the movies, plus they could probably get their hands on the suit if they wanted to do Iron Man without RDJ.
Uh, Robert Downey Jr. was recently in a Call of Duty commercial. I bet he'd show up in the series once or twice.
what occurs to me is how often do you read an avengers and never actually see tony? all iron man, that could work, with a little voicework.
Quote from: bearded on November 09, 2012, 04:09:42 PM
what occurs to me is how often do you read an avengers and never actually see tony? all iron man, that could work, with a little voicework.
The issue with that is Iron Man FX are expensive for a TV show's budget. I could actually see later Avengers sequels potentially going that way, if/when RDJ gets tired of a starring role in them.
What FX? They have a working suit, just have some other guy walking around with it in the background. Boom, instant cameo.
I doubt they'd have any action scenes or anything. The most he'd likely do is fly overhead, or talk a bit. For the former, they could always reuse movie footage, or movie fx.
Sure, if he's just standing there, it's not really FX intensive. I maintain that an actual Robert Downey Jr cameo isn't out of the question either.
Ummmm... you DO realise 90% of the shots of tony in armor since IM1 are pretty much all cgi right? Even the basic dialogue scenes are the actors in masks, gloves, and mocap suits.
Shots of the sets for IM2 have show actual armor being used, so it does exist, even if they prefer not to use it.
Big bump here, but the show's now been official picked up (no shock there) the advertising campaign is already well under way, and early previews intriguingly show a superpowered character who many believe to Luke Cage. Looks to be an action version of X Files in a world of superheroes pretty much, which is exactly the sort of thing I was hoping for.
Good bump, Cat. In case anyone haven't been paying attention, ABC has picked up Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. potentially for their fall lineup. Additionally, it has also hit social media as well on FB and Twitter(Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and #coulsonlives respectively). There you can find the link to the preview that was just shown during the last break of today's showing of "Once Upon A Time".
Here's the official synopsis:
Spoiler
Agent Phil Coulson (Clark Gregg) returns to the worldwide law enforcement organization S.H.I.E.L.D. He puts together a small, highly trained, team of Agents to tackle the cases that haven't been classified yet, the new, the strange and the unknown. That team consists of straight arrow Agent Grant Ward (Brett Dalton), an expert in combat and espionage; pilot and martial artist Agent Melinda May (Ming-Na Wen); and brilliant if socially awkward scientists Agent Leo Fitz (Iain De Caestecker) and Agent Jemma Simmons (Elizabeth Henstridge). They'll be joined by civilian new recruit and computer hacker Skye (Chloe Bennet). Prepare for an epic adventure that showcases the hope and wonder of the human spirit. This is a world of Super Heroes, aliens and the unusual – of action, spectacle and world spanning stories. The show will speak to the human condition through the lens of our very human, non-powered S.H.I.E.L.D agents – that together we are greater than we are apart, and that we can make a difference in the world.
The series will star lark Gregg, Ming-Na Wen, Elizabeth Henstridge, Iain De Caestecker, Brett Dalton, Chloe Bennet and J. August Richards.
And if I may: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDKQ3L6FiRU
Heads up on a new extended trailer for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. that will indeed debut starting Tuesdays in September. Check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4iM14dG5Ug
It gives more details about the characters and the overall story, which is pretty much what Cat said. Marvel's version of The X-Files with more action and more superheroes. Of course, that formula turned out to be one of Fox's biggest blunders.............
Awesome, I'm excited! However, I hope civilian girl really steps up her acting chops once the series hits its stride.
J. August Richards is Luke Cage right? omg I'm so excited this is going to be awes!
sorry for the extra spaces
Luke Cage has not been confirmed that I"m aware of, but it's what everyone seems to think, and it makes sense.
Quote from: BWPS on May 15, 2013, 12:55:26 AM
J. August Richards is Luke Cage right? omg I'm so excited this is going to be awes!
sorry for the extra spaces
That's the current buzz.
I'm quite psyched for this - with one caveat. Joss is not kind to his supporting cast. (WASH! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo)
Honestly the concept doesn't excite me that much, but I'm hopefully optimistic for this. I've liked most of Joss's shows.
#CoulsonLives
They have so much confidence in this show that they are putting it directly up against NCIS, the no 1 show on television.
Or was anyway. I know I'll almost certainly be dumping NCIS for this.
I've never really cared about NCIS. In fact, it somewhat mystified me that it is, or was, the #1 show. That said, I'm all in for S.H.I.E.L.D. Provided I don't have to choose between this and Grimm or Big Bang, I'm set to watch it like crazy-go-nuts.
I doubt it will stay opposite NCIS for too long.. I rather they moved it to across from NCIS: LA.. then again NCIS: Red Team (or whatever the Red Team show will be called) also premieres for the Fall 2013 season hoping to make it a NCIS trilogy night to lock the ratings for Tuesdays.
Either way, I'll be watching NCIS and Agents Of SHIELD regardless even if I have to DVR one of them to watch later that night before bed.
- CQ
Quote from: crimsonquill on May 15, 2013, 08:50:36 AM
I doubt it will stay opposite NCIS for too long.. I rather they moved it to across from NCIS: LA.. then again NCIS: Red Team (or whatever the Red Team show will be called) also premieres for the Fall 2013 season hoping to make it a NCIS trilogy night to lock the ratings for Tuesdays.
Actually NCIS:Red will not be going to series. The suits were not impressed with it and it will not be going to series. I only regret missing the oportunity to explian that it's a spinoff of a spinoff of a spinoff, which is too much fun to say really.
Back to the original subject, while AoS should do just fine going against NCIS, they would have been better off putting it on a different night when wouldn't be facing a show popular enough to hold onto some of it's audience. If the show turns out to be as good as it could be, it could dominate a night, but NCIS is popular enough to hold its own, I think. I'm betting though that the pilot episode's rating will be simply unbelievably massive, although I expect they'll sharply drop the next week.
While NCIS is the number 1 show in overall viewers, it is not #1 in the 18-49 demographic, also known as the demographic advertisers actually care about (that's not a slam on the show, just the reality of how broadcast television gets paid for. Way less popular in total viewers shows are seen as way more important to networks because of who is watching them). Agents of Shield should be able to do just fine at that time slot in the demographic they care about.
Quote from: BWPS on May 15, 2013, 12:55:26 AM
J. August Richards is Luke Cage right? omg I'm so excited this is going to be awes!
sorry for the extra spaces
It has now been confirmed that J. August is NOT playing Luke Cage.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=45510 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=45510)
I wasn't impressed with the trailers for this show, but then again I wasn't impressed with the trailers for Arrow either. I hope it comes out strong and lasts a few good seasons.
So, if not Cage, I wonder if J August Richard is playing a Marvel superhero? Isaiah Bradley? Rage?
Quote from: MJB on May 16, 2013, 06:07:36 AM
Quote from: BWPS on May 15, 2013, 12:55:26 AM
J. August Richards is Luke Cage right? omg I'm so excited this is going to be awes!
sorry for the extra spaces
It has now been confirmed that J. August is NOT playing Luke Cage.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=45510 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=45510)
In the movie/tv business, an outright denial doesn't actually mean much. Think Lost, the Dark Knight Rises, JJ Abrams, etc.
I vote for Morbius. Or Man-Ape.
I'd presume it's someone made specifically for the show, or someone obscure enough they can actually use. For what I can tell, this is a character who might well be part of the main cast, in which case I'm sure they'd rather not get bogged down with a character who has a large fan base, like Cage.
While Richards won't be playing Cage, he apparently will be playing some Marvel character. There was a tease in the article that the character's name started with M. First guy that came to mind was Machine Man. (Due the what looked to be some sort of circuitry in his arm in the trailer which Cage does not have.)
Also, Clark Gregg has hinted that there WILL be some Marvel HEROES AND VILLAINS (and I assuming other characters) will be making appearances throughout the season. http://omg.yahoo.com/news/agents-h-e-l-d-clark-gregg-teases-213013978.html (http://omg.yahoo.com/news/agents-h-e-l-d-clark-gregg-teases-213013978.html)
Oh... and Ming Na is following me on Twitter and I followed her back out of courtesy.
I don't particularly care for the attitude displayed by the statements about the show not wanting to stay too close to the comics in terms of cast and interpretations...but with the state of modern comics, maybe it's for the best.
I don't think it's so much that as it is that I'm sure they don't want to potentially ruin characters that could be in later Marvel films. For better or worse, everything this show does will be canon in the cinematic universe... which means that if they have an arc centered around say... Luke Cage, but Marvel wants to make a Heroes for Hire movie, they're likely stuck using at least the backstory used by the show (possibly the actor as well, and actors who're good in a tv show aren't nescessarily good enough to carry a film.)
Keep in mind, we haven't seen this show yet. We don't know how it's going to re-imagine characters from the comics into a tv show budget. I trust Whedon as much as anyone, but even he's admitted he's not running the show like he has for other shows. I'd rather they DON'T use major character until we've seen them handle the smaller ones.
Just saw the trailer for this, may end up giving it a shot or two.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 16, 2013, 11:07:26 PM
I don't particularly care for the attitude displayed by the statements about the show not wanting to stay too close to the comics in terms of cast and interpretations...but with the state of modern comics, maybe it's for the best.
After the liberties of Iron Man 3 , I agree with you. Marvel stuff has mostly taken characters back to their more primal roots instead of the modern stuff so I actually wasn't too worried before.
I figure this deserves bumping, Uncle Yuan's new thread notwithstanding. This way we can keep early speculation in the same place as actual responses. It is coming on tonight, and I am recording it! I'm excited...and more than a little nervous. I can't wait!
Mine was more of a technical question. This is a better place for discussion of the actual show.
I watched and loved the pilot. They handled Agent Coleson very well writing wise and pretty much gave a hint to how he actually survived his death (and for those who followed my comments about why Stark mentioned a certain technology in Avengers as an easter egg).
So, how many viewers are split on how they handled the superhero origin of J. August Richards character? It's pretty obvious they tweaked the origin of The Power Broker into that of a female scientist we just meet briefly. Since Mike Peterson needed a new name and identity after his recovery.. who takes a bet that he ends up with a familiar name when he discovers that he retains his unbreakable skin and super strength?
- CQ
Whedon said specifically that it wasn't him.
But yeah, the pilot was fun to watch and had lots of humor and action and a great set of characters. Definitely looking forward to the next one.
I really enjoyed it. I'm really liking the character interplay with this team and we've got some very nice groundwork laid for future plot and character development.
I think my favorite scene was the one with the truth serum. :D
I'm two ways about this so far. There was a lot a liked. There were times I was really on the edge of my seat eagerly waiting for the commercial breaks to finish. But then there were times I'm like "Meh. Come on, really?"(It was often directed at Skye)
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I think for a start the show did well. It didn't blow my socks off. I wasn't expecting it to, but it was a nice start, nice intro to the characters. As far as the characters go, I liked what I saw from most of them, the one that really irked the ish out of me was Skye. It's like she wasn't taking the entire show serious at all. Not until Peterson pimp-locked her at least. I don't blame her overall. A lot of the writing seemed rather... cheesy at times. I'd want to say "come on" through half the first bit of the episode. But the actress herself, I think she did well with what she had. I'm not sure if it was the direction or herself making her seem very unlikeable and breaking the 5th wall. (As in, WE know this is a world of superheroes, we read comic books, but this is your REAL world lady, it ain't like that). Speaking of which, I'm really glad to see them connect to the cinematic universe as they have. Using Maria Hill and references to Captain America, Iron Man, Thor and the Black Widow were welcome. I was pleasantly surprised at the use of the Extremis storyline, just as Iron Man 3 comes out on DVD too(Well played Marvel) and I hope to see more of that as the series goes on. However much I'm glad they extended to the cinematic universe, I hope they pull from the overall S.H.I.E.L.D. and Marvel universe too. I'd like to see Clay Quartermaine, Sharon Carter and other SHIELD agents have cameos. I want to see HYDRA or AIM be bad guys(even though I doubt we'd see AIM, since that was kind of killed with Killian). Could that have been Madam Hydra in the Car with the facial injury? I want to see more.
As far as the other characters go, I liked them well enough. I actually liked Ward. He'll carry most of the action in the series and the actor seems capable and believable enough to do it. The banter back and forth with Fitz and Simmons was done well. I'd want to think of them as one instead of a pair because then having a bio-chem, engineer and computer expert all on ONE team seems like having too many nerds in the kitchen, if you will. Agent Coulson was of course good. Gregg does a great job with him and the consistency of the character is very dependable. He delivered his lines with humor when needed it. His stern and aggression when called for was actually as natural even though we really didn't see it in the movies at all, it worked here. However, I do have to say, as much as I like Coulson, it is highly probable that my favorite character will be Melinda May. Even the name itself SPEAKS Marvel, in the same vein of a Peter Parker, Reed Richards and a Matt Murdock. Her character is really intriguing. I like the way she handles herself. And when the action gets heavy she can bring it. As far as the other characters go, I liked the addition of Maria Hill, even if it's just for an episode or two, she WAS Maria Hill. Mike Peterson or J. August Richards did a REALLY good job from beginning to end and I think was one of the stronger parts of the show.
Another thing that bothered me and I hope it doesn't continue like this is the episode framing. This particular episode seemed to wrap itself up too quick. I just hope they don't continue to do that in that way. Most of the best shows today have storylines that can like 3-4 or even more epsiodes. If they are going to wrap plots in a quick 40-45 minutes then views can start to think they can miss an episode or two without any real development and before too long, they skip out on the series. So I hope that doesn't happen. I know there's some intrigue with Coulson's "resurrection", and the story behind the other shooter, but I hope it's more than just a fleeting reference.
I saw it and I liked it, but I didn't love it.
My biggest problem is the characters, I just didn't get into them just yet. Reminds of Dollhouse like that. Hopefully that will work itself out over time.
My favorite character was J. August Richards's Mike Peterson, and I haven't heard if he's returning for any more episodes.
What a boring pilot episode! The only thing this show has going for it is that all Joss Whedon's TV series are slow starters.
The biggest thought going through my head the whole time was "yes. This sure is TV"
I only really watch Breaking Bad and Arrow these days, so I couldn't really compare it to anything else, but about 75% of the central cast is such a bore.
I'll give it a few more episodes.
Well, I watched our taped version, and I certainly enjoyed it. However, like many folks, I've got some reservations.
Updated thoughts after a second viewing below:
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I'm very excited to see where this show goes. Coulson was fantastic, as always. I love that they are getting a chance to explore his character some more, as he certainly deserves it. I love the hints of a mystery with his recovery, and, like many, I'm assuming that he's an LMD with the memories of Coulson. That has some mileage, for sure. I agree with some of the folks who have said that the team seems fairly generic at the moment. I like them, but we really don't know much about them yet. It's only the first episode though, so that's mostly okay. I imagine even the Firefly crew didn't spring fully formed onto the screen. I think Ward is good as an action hero, and there are glimpses of a worthwhile character there. The same is true of Fitz/Simmons. There are glimpses of something interesting, but it's awfully generic at the moment, as if they are purely relying on stock characters. Melinda May and Coulson are certainly the most interesting so far, and I look forward to learning more about their esoteric 'pilot.'
The action, for the most part, looked good. The dialog had some cringe-worthy weak spots, but it also had some really strong moments. Almost all of Coulson's lines were good, and the final monolog of our hero/villain was pretty darn good. On the other hand, there are some majorly painful elements.
I wish that the Sky character would die a rather grisly death as soon as possible. She was incredibly obnoxious. I understand what they were trying to do with her, and while I rather enjoy the self-consciously pop-culture reflective nature of the show, that character was just painful. She was less terrible in the second watching, but I still don't care for her at all.
All-in-all, I'm excited and hopeful. I can't wait 'till next week!
Enjoyed the episode. This one focused largely on characters and bringing the team together, when there aren't action scenes. We have another special guest star, and the beginning of a new ongoing plot.
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Nick Fury makes a brief appearance in what was actually a pretty funny overall scene.
More importantly--Sky is a mole. Although she seems to be more than a bit unsure of herself. It's pretty painfully obvious how that will be ultimately resolved, though.
Definitely looking forward to the rest of the season.
Again, this episode had its share of problems, but the end TOTALLY made up for it!!!
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S.H.I.E.L.D. Director NICK FURY!!!!
Totally was NOT expecting it. Maybe later, SEASONS down the road or some fake hints, but Marvel scores BIG points for that!
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Characters again. Getting better. Skye is still irritating, but I like what they're going to do with her. I was really concerned with Fitz, Simmons AND her it was too many nerds in the kitchen, but if they're going to have her do field and story tell through her, I can work with that. As much as I like Coulson, but that "Coulson smirk" is really weird in some situations. Melinda May CONTINUES to impress. I want to marry her. The action and acting, they tried to make it Big-screen/Avenger-esque but it didn't look as right on the small screen. Some of the movie references, Thor, Hulk, Captain is nice. Still would like extra Mrvel references. They revealed new info for the universe that Hydra has "died off" and if you ask me, I think that was purposely done... Since they are HYDRA and as suggested, it can't die that easy. The effects kinda were wonky. In all, I liked it, but still had some dialogue problems. And again, the VERY unexpected appearance of Samuel L Jackson was a really nice touch. I expects them to mention his name. Make references to his presence, but NEVER did I think he'd appear in the SECOND episode. Maybe a season finale like 3-4 seasons in, but WOW! Good pull Marvel. I'm almost certain SLJ did that for a Big Mac meal too.
Wow, this was definitely a step up. The first episode was a solid beginning, but this was a clear improvement. I'm feeling more confident about the show now. They managed to make all of the characters much more interesting in this episode. As Cat said, it's mostly about character development and action, both of which are well done for the most part. You know, I really like the crossing over this show is doing with the movies. Hopefully they'll continue that with the new releases. Think about that for a moment, though. They're doing with live action what has previously only ever been done with comics, building a shared universe. That is amazing. This is something that really only a comic universe could support, and it's such a perfect fit, it's almost hard to believe no-one has ever done it before (well, other than Bruce Timm, on a much smaller scale).
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Okay, specifics time. Skye was much less obnoxious this episode, but the whole mole thing is a twist I didn't quite expect. I agree with you, Cat. It seems obvious how that will shake out. Still, maybe they'll surprise us. With any luck, they'll play with our expectations. I think everyone got fleshed out nicely in this episode, which is good, as we're only at our second outing. The girl betraying Coulson was pretty well telegraphed, though. I didn't think she did a great job after the reveal, if only because her accent seemed to get a little spotty a few times. Maybe that was just me, though. The whole 'learning how to work as a team bit' was really hackneyed, but I felt it worked out alright, if only because they built up to it fairly well.
Fury's cameo was nice, though I wouldn't have minded more world building and less humor. Still, I enjoyed it.
I can't wait for next week's episode!
Benton,
I completely agree. Marvel has lead the way on this. Ever since the early days of watching the old Superman movies and Incredible Hulk series. Everyone knew ALL these characters live in a SHARED universe. I wanted to see other characters, big or small bleed into other franchises. Marvel did it giving us Thor and Daredevil in the tv movies. But it really did what we all were expecting with Iron Man and then Hulk and no one expected the Avengers to come together like it did. What they're doing with the tv show, Joss is the only one who's done anything close with Serenity/Firefly. We've seen TV shows based on movies before, but not like this. We hardly ever(not that I can remember) storylines and now actual characters and actors bleeding from the big screen to the small. What are the chances we get a Ming-Na cameo in A:AU? Or George's St Pierre(Batroc) featured on a MAOS episode? There are a lot of possibilities with a format like this. I hope they take advantage of them all!
That was alright. I think I liked the pilot better though.
I'm still having the same problem as the pilot where I just don't care about the characters enough. Characters make shows for me. Right now the show feels like Dollhouse where I never really got into the characters and dropped out after the first season. I need it to be more like Buffy, Angel, and Firefly (to use more Whedon shows) where I loved almost every member of the cast. This episode did help me get to know the characters a bit better, especially Ming-Na's. So step in the right direction but I'm not loving the show just yet.
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I did enjoy Nick Fury's guest appearance, it was fun, but I wish they'd used it to further the plot instead of just jokes. ABC is apparently hyping the end of every episode so that's certainly interesting.
I want this show to succeed, but I'm not liking the Scooby Doo gang of Sky and the 2 scientists, and they really need a super power type character in the group. At first I thought Cage would be a good choice, but a friend told me that Jessica Drew would fit perfectly in that group. I would keep sky and let her be a field agent and as for the "wonder twins" keep them on the plane and let them be the "Q" of the team.
I do not wonder a super hero of any kind on the team. I don't want that person to take over the show. So far it's looking to be a show addressing what happens after the hero wins and all the villains weapons and assets are scattered everywhere for anybody to take and abuse and I find that more interesting.
But you'll get your wish with Sky. The preview for the next episode showed her undergoing combat training.
Agree with Cat on this. A super powered character would interfere with the dynamic of the show, and would take focus away from the other characters. This show is about a team of characters, and having any hero show up as anything more than a recurring cameo would not be welcome in my book.
That being said, one thing I noticed that really impressed me about this last episode that I should point out:
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When the team blew a hole in the side of their plane, I was expecting the bad guys to just start being kicked out of the plane. We've seen it a hundred times in spy movies, the unnamed minions just get casually tossed out of an airplane to make the heroes seem awesome or whatever.
Thing is though, they DIDN'T.
In the entirety of the plane sequence, there are all of two deaths: one after the initial explosion, and the one guy whose shirt got torn. Despite the fighting, the SHIELD agents are clearly making an effort to save as many of the villains as they possibly can. Even when the second guy gets sucked out, there is a clear look of regret on Agent Ward's face: even though the dude was fighting him, Ward still wanted to save his life.
It's almost a hollywood mandate that blowing a hole in the side of an airplane is nothing more than excuse for "heroes" to toss minions out of it that seeing these agents tying them down and securing them baffled me, in a good way. Even when I was talking to a friend about it, their immediate reaction when I mentioned he hole was "and did all the bad guys get sucked out of it?" It's so refreshing that they didn't go that route, and that human life was treated with some modicom of dignity in this show.
I think the lack of super heroes in a Marvel show is disappointing. Buffy and Willow and Angel and Spike had powers, that didn't ruin that show.
That said, I really like the show. I can't understand the scientists's stupid accents and I don't like the tough guy. Still my favorite new show and just having a Marvel U show is awesome.
And in all of those cases, the show was about a specific character with a supporting cast, not a team show. If there was a super-powered character on the team, specifically one we know from the comics, the show would instantly be about that character on his own. The only way for there to be equal focus on the entire team if you did have a character with powers would be if the entire team had powers as well, which would disrupt the whole "normal people in a world of heroes" thing the show has going for it. Yes, I think we should get some more superheroes as cameos or even as part of a story arc, but not permanent cast members.
If you put Jessica Drew in the show (not Spider-Woman), let her wear a SHIELD uniform and keep her powers down low, don't use then in every episode, it can work. Just because a person has super powers doesn't mean they are going to come in and steal the show.
Except that BECAUSE it is Jessica Drew, you have fans wanting to see her more because she's a character from the comics, she will, just by being there, upstage the other characters. Plus, because that's an existing Marvel character, they won't be able to explore storyline options that might occur to writers naturally over the course of the show.
Look, I'm not saying none of the cast can ever have powers, nor that we should never have cameos by this or that character that we'll probably never see in the films. I'm merely saying that as part of the CORE CAST, we should not have characters like Luke Cage or Iron Fist on this team. As recurring characters or in a big season long story arc, sure, but the core cast is fine as-is.
Agreed. This is not a show about superheroes, it's a show about the people that deal with the behind the scenes stuff in a world of superheroics. That is different and it is also interesting. As Tomato said, as a once time guest character, or as part of a storyline, heroes make perfect sense, but not in the main cast. I do expects pieces of upcoming storylines from the films will show up from time to time, however. Don't be surprised if the first hints of the Winter Soldier show up in the series, for example.
I'm about a day behind from watching on Hulu, but I will agree that the second episode was much stronger. On the whole I like the cast. I found Fitz Simmons to be much more comprehensible this time around - I could hardly understand a word they said in the pilot. May and Ward are a little too similar in their potential roles, and while I think it's clear that May is the REAL hardcase I hope they keep that seriously under wraps for a long time. Otherwise she becomes the better, cuter Ward and that would diminish both of them. I think Skye is MUCH more interesting this time through, last scene notwithstanding. I worry that Skye may be a little too cookie cutter, though, so we'll have to see how her story line develops. As it stands now it's looking a little predictable. My real concern is actually Colson. I think a large part of the reason he worked so well in the movies is that he is such an understated character. He had a bit of mystery and that famous reserve and I worry it won't hold up well with the brighter spot light.
And of course, the epilogue was AWESOME.
If they introduced a character with powers as a regular cast member that wouldn't bother me. I'm sure they would find a way to work. It just depends on the type of power and the character's role in the series. A precog, psychic, or teleporter could work really well.
Probably be best to use an original character though, or someone really obscure.
There are tons of characters that would fit into the show, in both story context and with regards to "cheap looking" powers. Personally, I'd like to see Mentallo and The Fixer as baddies.
Those who caught the next episode preview have a good hint to the first major super powered origin that Colson and his team discover.
And according to casting sites the character's name is Dr. Franklin Hall (played by Ian Hart).. I'm pretty sure the gravity of his appearance will be the ultimate test for the whole team.
- CQ
Quote from: crimsonquill on October 04, 2013, 09:06:36 AM
Those who caught the next episode preview have a good hint to the first major super powered origin that Colson and his team discover.
And according to casting sites the character's name is Dr. Franklin Hall (played by Ian Hart).. I'm pretty sure the gravity of his appearance will be the ultimate test for the whole team.
- CQ
Ha ha ha ha
I see what you did there....
Shogun, right! There is tons of potential in this idea. I certainly wouldn't mind a cameo in the Avengers 2 from some of the team.
'Mato, that's a great point about the respect for life that the agents display. I hadn't really thought about it, but isn't that awesome? It's interesting that Ward seems a bit conflicted about what he's been trained to do. It's a bit subtle now, but I hope they'll bring that out a bit. I love how this ties into the idea of the non-lethal hero that is so central to American superheroes. It just fits perfectly.
As for the super powered cast-member question, I'm in the camp that thinks they should at least hold of on anything like that. I don't imagine there is much chance of them adding in any super powered team-members any time soon, though. I agree that it would likely overshadow the others. Yes, I'm sure it could be done well, but this show already has a great number of tight-ropes to walk, so why add another?
CQ, nice.
"The Asset" ended up being a pretty good story and very much what I hoped for when I heard which character was appearing. Makes me very curious to how they will handle the villain once he makes his official post-origin appearance in much later episodes.
Skye was handled pretty well this time around and starting to show that her character is working multiple angles not only for herself but the Crimson Tide.
- CQ
This was one of the best episodes so far. The Wonder Twins stayed in the back to give support while the rest was out on the field. Let's hope that they can keep this up
Clip from next week's episode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkbIAOhaEps&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Theme from next week's episode:
I want to marry Melinda May.
it's painful to watch that clip. :(
Good episode. In MY opinion, best so far.
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It might be a coincidence that this was more "super spy" than "super hero", but that's the dynamic I like about this show. At any time it can be a show about super powers and/or spy vs spy fiction. I like how the writing is gelling. I like how they're actually making light about Skye's lack of seriousness(saying bang when firing a gun). I like the science-meets-action theme we saw. Of course, I liked Melinda May being Melinda May. Moreover, I like the direction they're going. How the bad guy their chasing isn't the bad guy, just another pawn, a lingering thread, which is now starting to collect: what really happen to Coulson? What is Skye really trying to do? Who is the villain controlling villains? Could the control via right-eye be a sign for a leader of Hydra? And I have to say, I'm starting to look forward to the "post-episode" scenes that Marvel does well. As for the next episode, could that be Sunfire? Would they even be allowed to do that? Or could he just be a mutant? Could they be allowed to introduce this element?
Good stuff.
It's the best episode so far but still pretty bland.
Interesting to note that people with mental powers and cybernetic enhancements don't exist in the MCU. The bionic eye was technology more advanced than anything they'd seen :/
ok, i retract my previous comment.
it looks like the show is just finding its sea legs.
the mystery behind coulson is pretty interesting.
Yeah the Coulson mystery is one of the things I'm most interested in this show. The two biggest theories I've heard are he was resurrected by magic or he's really an LMD. I lean towards the LMD route myself.
Decent episode, the show still hasn't really drawn me in but it's still enjoyable to watch.
I imagine we'll have to wait for the season finale (if not later) to find out what the deal is with Coulson. The ex-agent's line, "What did they do to him?" is nicely ambiguous -- was she just referring to changes in his personality, or did she actually see something (like robot parts) with her x-ray eye?
The show has gotten incrementally better each episode, but aside from Coulson and May, I just don't like the characters very much. I'd rather see a show about the guest-stars: Super-Strong Dude from the first episode, Graviton, and Cyber-Eyeball Lady. Now that would be an interesting team.
This was definitely the best episode so far. Lady Grey, who has thus-far been fairly unimpressed with this show, going so far as to play on Facebook when we sat down to watch it, gave this episode her undivided attention. That speaks volumes, methinks. This episode had great tension and lots of interesting twists and turns. I definitely like the super-spy bits best, but I also love the variety of plots that this show can employ. They are really working to make Skye less obnoxious, and they are beginning to make some headway with her. She's still got a long way to go, though.
I also am loving the Coulson mystery. I loved the little line from cyborg girl at the end. That's great.
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I'm hoping that this shadowy organization is Hydra, or at least the real A.I.M.!
Well, the whole Sky storyline got resolved a lot more quickly than I expected. Granted, it introduced a new one and wasn't exactly resolved the way I expected, although kinda still was.
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She's caught meeting with her partner/lover who's in turn associated with Project Centipede. Both are arrested, and ultimately allowed to assist in the situation of the week. Sky is allowed to stay with the team, but only after confessing her true motives--her search for her parents who's identity has been redacted by SHIELD for unknown reasons. She's now essentially on parole and forced to wear a tracking/control bracelete.
Also it's revealed the SHIELD's been tagging and monitoring supers for years, although it generally lets them live their lives as long as they behave.
All in all Sky's motives at least make her conflicted behavior make sense, so we'll see where her new arc leads. As for the bad guys, they essentially win this one, which is a lot more interesting than the bad guys always losing and therefore never really being much of a threat.
I really wanted this show to be a hit, but I had my doubt after the first 2 episodes. Now it seems that with each episode the show is getting better and better. For a minute I thought the guy was a mutant and was going to be Sunfire at the end, but I was wrong. So who do you guys think are the villains in this show? Hydra or AIM or somebody new?
I'm really not impressed with this show. Perhaps it's just too fluffy for me. It's like Baywatch in the sky and without the eye candy. I'm trying to get through more episodes because everyone here seems to like it and I really want to like this show, but...maybe I'll be giving up and switching to Blacklist.
I checked the numbers, and it looks like this show has a questionable future. It's premiere was huge, but it dropped to 2/3rds of it ratings the next episode. Good news it that's it's stayed steady ever since, but if the show's as expensive as it looks like it is, it doesn't look so good for it.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 23, 2013, 10:03:14 AM
I checked the numbers, and it looks like this show has a questionable future. It's premiere was huge, but it dropped to 2/3rds of it ratings the next episode. Good news it that's it's stayed steady ever since, but if the show's as expensive as it looks like it is, it doesn't look so good for it.
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It's biggest problem was the network slanting it against NCIS which has a far bigger attraction in that time slot and STILL not having enough recognizable comic elements show up from time to time. I'm sure there is a huge arc that is building up to reveal some major menace for S.H.I.E.L.D. to clash with on a regular basis and possibly some costumed villains to appear near the season end (Graviton among them). I'm thankful it got picked up for a full season so they can allow the team and storyline to play itself out but I'm starting to doubt a second season until they seriously kick it up a few notches.
- CQ
Nothing some superheroes wouldn't instantly fix. It's like making a show about some regular kids who go to school with the Power Rangers but never really talk to them. It doesn't matter how good the show is, there's still a level of disappointment attached to using the Marvel U. That said, I enjoy the show, Skye is the best character, Ward and Fitz/Simmons could all just go home and I wouldn't care. I also think there should be done kind of animal sidekick, perhaps a talking ferret.
A ferret getting poked with a stick...hehehehehe
BWPS...occasionally you say things that just mystify me. Sky is the best character? Really? Are we watching the same show? :P
This episode was about half gold, half dross. There were some pretty painful moments. I like what they're doing with Skye's character, but I still don't care much for her. She's not really a strong enough actress to sell it, methinks.
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I LOVED the conflict between the desire to save lives and the need to put this guy down. Coulson's line, "We don't want to hurt you...but we have to," was really quite excellent. The trouble was, as good as some of those moments were, this loser's descent into madness was pretty bungled. He goes from, 'I want to be a famous magician' to 'I want to see the world burn' almost instantly. It was like Anakin's turn to the Dark Side. One moment he's killing murderous Sand People because they tortured his mother to death, the next he's murdering children in cold blood.
There were only two good things about the episode: Skye's extended underwear dialogue scene, and Ruth Negga as the woman in the floral dress.
Ruth Negga is a dish (despite having a slightly mangled American accent), so I'm glad she is the show.
Otherwise, this episode had nothing that hasn't been done better in Heroes or Alphas. I really wish they'd draw on Marvel comic storylines and characters more.
The thing about this show, in my opinion, is that there is no real central character. It could be Coulson, but it shouldn't be, Coulson should be the guy on the side that can get things done quietly.
They could do more with Ward, but he doesn't really have the gravitas to pull off leading man status, yet.
Maybe that's the issue, Melinda and Coulson aren't Ward's mentors, they're his guardians.
Melinda could probably take on the leading role...she seems like she has a dark past that they could explore, but then what do you do with the four young hangers-on?
Ensemble casts only really work if there are multiple locations/storylines to follow, while in this show, the team is just a bit too big to do one thing well (follow a central character) but too small to be branching out into multiple storylines.
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For a minute I thought the guy was a mutant and was going to be Sunfire at the end, but I was wrong.
I read an article on Wired that surmised that mutants are all off-limits because of Fox having the X-Men licensing locked up. So I would tend to expect that we won't be seeing any hint of Sony-Man's world, either. But the licensing for TV and for Movies can end up being different, so who knows.
Very disappointed that I haven't been able to watch this show yet. :( Am I missing a good thing? Or should I just wait until Netflix picks it up after the season run?
It's on Hulu. I think the whole series is on there, so check it out if you're interested. I personally enjoy it.
Also check out ABC.com if you have cable.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 23, 2013, 10:03:14 AM
I checked the numbers, and it looks like this show has a questionable future. It's premiere was huge, but it dropped to 2/3rds of it ratings the next episode. Good news it that's it's stayed steady ever since, but if the show's as expensive as it looks like it is, it doesn't look so good for it.
I think Shield is reasonably safe, for the time being. It's already been picked up for a full season, and even with the ratings drop remains the season's highest rated new drama. Also, while Shield has less than half of NCIS' total viewers, it's right on its heels of the 18-49 year old demographic share (also known as the demographic that keeps shows on TV). Unless ratings drop precipitously, it'll get a second season.
My concern here is not the ratings number, as you say, they aren't bad at all, but rather how expensive this show might be. I'm not sure, but it looks like it's pretty expensive. It might at least see some budget cuts, unless they decide to throw money at it to use it as promotional material for the movies, which is a real possibility.
So apparently SHIELD is going to pick up on a plot point from the new Thor movie:
http://tvline.com/2013/11/01/marvels-agents-of-shield-thor-crossover/
No Thor characters are supposed to appear though. Still it will be interesting to see how this works out and how they go about handling this in the future.
Well I could think of a few plot points.
But they seem a little over budget, or too important for the next phase of movies.
My best guess would be (no specifics):
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some sort of fallout from what happens in London. Maybe something about the convergence and an otherworldly thing got through
I really liked the second half of last night's episode. I finally really connected with the whole cast, I guess nothing like impending tragedy helps with that.
Hopefully the series keeps it up.
Quote from: captmorgan72 on December 11, 2013, 06:13:48 PM
Sorry if there is a topic for this show already, but I couldn't find it. Just watched the latest episode and was left scratching my head about something. Michael Peterson is shown pushing a bulldozer at a SHIELD training facility and then asks if he beat Captain America's time and the trainer tells him not even close. Since when is Cap that strong? The Centipede program far surpasses the serum given to Cap. It has a variation of the Super Soldier Serum, gamma radiation, extremis virus and alien metal. All of this easily surpasses the Super Soldier Serum. These guys heal like Wolverine and have super strength, stamina and endurance.
You mean the thread half a page down I found on my 2x4" droid screen in two seconds?
Anyway, my response is that while Captain America may not be as super-powered as those guys are, he's had 2 lifetimes worth of combat training and is a great strategist. I'd have no issue believing he could outperform a superpowered muscle-head.
If memory serves the movie Cap is super powered much like the Ultimate version of the character, not the peak human of the 616 comics.
Question on last night's episode:
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I was distracted near the end, did Mike Peterson die? If so I'm very disappointed. I liked his character.
Also did Ward get shot?
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Apparently and apparently.
"You mean the thread half a page down I found on my 2x4" droid screen in two seconds?" Really? Oh man this is embarassing.
Well the show's back, and both Coulson and Sky have had their little mysteries cleared up, with both being pretty disappointingly vague and uninteresting. I suppose both could have more revealed later, but I expected more.
In other news, the show's ratings have stabilized since the initial drop and it looks like the show will likely be renewed for another season, especially since it's about to get some company. Agent Carter, a second SHIELD series is now being developed starring Cap's love interest in his own movie is the main character and one of the first SHIELD agents.
Also Agents of SHIELD will have Sif guest starring, which should be interesting.
I didn't get why...
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they considered Sky's mystery explained at all. "Oh, so you are a baby of unknown origin that tons of people were killed around. No idea why." It's an even bigger mystery. Coulson's was a bit of a letdown though.
yeah. . .
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I also didn't get why the news was supposed to be so devastating to Sky that they didn't want to tell her. Family she doesn't remember died for reasons no one know and other people died to save her. What so life destroying about that? The way that she took it the Coulson said was so remarkable seems to be the only logical way to take it if you ask me. I do like, though, that we finally have SHIELD show in a good light here. There have been too much hints of sinister going on that put the show into too much danger of making the organization appear villainous, so here at least the revelation shows that their actions were purely good.
As for Coulson--yeah. He was brought back through--unexplainable high tech. Really? Not much they can do with that.
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I would say it had to do with them being afraid that the one clue she's been holding onto for her entire life doesn't bring her any closer to her parents. All this buildup, and she still knows practically nothing, at least more than what she did before.
*shrug* I haven't actually seen the episode though, so feel free to ignore me. I'm kinda mehhhh on SHIELD.
Sorry, Tomato, but
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May specifically warns Coulson that the "secret" would be so devasting as to destroying her mentally and emotional. When she finds out he's told her she pretty much reacts as it he's destroyed Sky's life forever and he acts like it's a major miracle that she takes it well. Really don't get any of that thinking.
Yeah, I agree with much of what's been said. I found both the big reveals to be similarly disappointing. I'm moderately hopeful that something else will come from these, but I'm not holding my breath. It's funny, because the episodes themselves were pretty solid, but the build up to these 'bombshells' was something of a waste, it seems.
Oh I agree, the actual episodes were quite good the scene with
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Coulson being operated on while asked to be allowed to die
was quite chilling. To bad it didn't really go anywhere, but was a great scene in a good episode otherwise.
Just to be clear, the show itself is actually getting better, and the Centipede/Clairvoyant stuff appears to be quite good so far, but the other two mysteries brought in at the beginning of the show were what was disappointing. It's almost as if, once the show got off the ground, they realized that they weren't really going anywhere, so they might as well just resolved both of them right away, so they could get back to more interesting things.
Frankly, the whole thing with Sky was a major disappointment. This is one instance where it would actually have been better if they had dropped some kind of major bomb that's usually lame, like Coulson being her father and/or May being her mother. Or her parents being terrorists or HYDRA agents that S.H.I.E.L.D. killed.
Oh, and what Coulson was saying while being operated on?
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Put the initials of those 3 words together. Let Me Die. Some people still think it hints at him being an LMD. I'm not one of them, but wouldn't be surprised if they eventually went that route....sort of. Like Coulson's brain being in an LMD body)
GM, that would be interesting, but they could have given some stronger hints that there was more to the story. This whole "reveal" was just weak-sauce.
Cat, I agree, the show is definitely getting better, though I'd still be quite happy for Sky's character to get written out. They've done a lot to try to make her bearable, but that's about all they have accomplished. I still don't much care for her, and my wife still hates here. Lady Grey is, however, less forgiving than I am. As I've mentioned before, she's just one lab accident away from being a Magneto-style super-villain. ^_^
So another good one, although some people may not like the whole repeating of events thing in this episode. I think it worked well, once you figured out what they were doing (although it was a bit jarring at first.) I missed Stan Lee cameo, sadly. I'll have to watch the first couple of minutes online to catch it.
Also, it turns out Mike was a comic characters all along. His secret identity is:
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Deathlok
I have a theory of who Skye is based on what limited background we have on her character..
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Okay, First we know that she is the child of parents who have been buried deep under red tape to keep anyone from knowing their idenities. Secondly, We know that SHIELD removed her as a baby from some secret organization that had some use for her and used the red tape to make sure she would never be found or would go in search of her parents.
It's my theory that Skye is actually Jessica Drew. If you follow the comic history currently her parents were Hydra Scientists who were conducting experiments on her. It would make sense those very SHIELD agents who were killed protecting her had removed her from Hydra's labs during a secret mission and placed her into protective custody to be lost in the adoption system. I'm pretty sure that the experimental cure the team will use to save her life in the next episode will result in unlocking of her latant powers over time. The problem is would Marvel/Disney be able to show her progress into becoming Spider-Woman or would Sony's death grip on the Spider-Man franchise force them to just have her become only known as Agent Drew (probably altering her powers to be less spidery as well) and later spin-off her character into ALIAS when she becomes a full time detective.
Does anyone else think my idea is a possibility or am I just looking too hard for connecting her into a possible origin story for future superhuman agents in SHIELD?
- CQ
Given that one other character from the show just got revealed as a SHIELD related Marvel character and they've been promising "more Marvel" this half of the season, I'd say it's a possibility that I won't dismiss. The fact that they've basically kept her name hidden--and have been pretty open about the fact that Sky isn't really her name and that she doesn't even know what it is, does fit in with that or similar notions.
Okay, so in the latest episode, we return to where Coulson was treated and that whole storyline actually becomes interesting again, with the additional revelation that
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The drugs that were a crucial part of regenerating Coulson's shredded heart actually come from the body of an alien, possibly a Kree, although it may be something else. Sky has now been injected with the alien-derived drugs and did not react negatively like Coulson seemed to expect. This leads to the interesting possibility that Sky could actually be herself a Kree, perhaps something else like a Skrull, or maybe even the movieverse version of Carol Danvers. All of those guesses could also be entirely wrong, but the fact that she apparently did not experience whatever side effects Coulson seemed expect seems to me to be significant.
Okay Marvel trivia gurus...
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Is there something in Marvel comic history that might have the initials "GH"?
I did some searches and came up blank, but this might be something or someone obscure.
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Kree does seem pretty likely, as we know they are compatible with human physiology and it's been established that Skye is "different". Though I did like one theory I spotted where the "T" in "TAHITI" stands for "Terrigen", I think that might be a stretch.
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The blue corpse being Kree seems very likely...the Kree are in the upcoming Guardians of the Galaxy, aren't they?
The Kree and the Inhumans are connected, so Terrigen might not be such a stretch after all.
Quote from: Glitch Girl on March 05, 2014, 02:06:41 PM
Okay Marvel trivia gurus...
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Is there something in Marvel comic history that might have the initials "GH"?
Clearly it's...
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THE GUEST HOST OFFENGERS!!
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In the Marvel wikis and encyclopedias I've gone through since the shows airing.. "GH" is commonly referred to as Growth Hormone as in the Mutant Growth Hormone which is recently a huge source of mutations/superpowers. I'm thinking for the cinemaverse that it's a nod to the Inhumans and the "GH" formula was being used by the scientists there as another shortcut to a super soldier formula. With Agents Of SHIELD connecting with Captain America 2, I'm thinking it's all part of the corruption in the government and SHIELD being hinted at in previews.
- CQ
Geheneris Hala´son Mahr Vehl or Mahr Vehl, is a fictional character, an alien superhero in the Ultimate Marvel universe.
The character is the Ultimate version of Mar-Vell and was created by writer Warren Ellis and penciller Steve McNiven and first appears in Ultimate Secret #1 (March 2005).
Rumors has it that this is how they are going to bring the Inhumans into the Marvel TV/ Movie universe, since they can't bring mutants in. At first I thought Skye was going to become Ms. Marvel, but now I'm think she maybe an Inhuman and doesn't know it.
I hadn't thought of the Inhumans, but that's a pretty good possibility there.
If Sky is...
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actually Carol Danvers or becomes Ms./Captain Marvel, I will weep bitter salty tears. What a waste of a character who should be getting her own movie.
I daresay this is more what people had in mind for the show, and I really liked seeing more minor characters getting their due. Also couldn't help but notice the Kree getting name dropped there.
EDIT: I was just reading that a recent Marvel one shot released with Thor 2 has reconned Iron Man 2's Mandaran to have stolen the real one's name. The really Mandaran exists in the Marvel universe and may show up in the series. This I would like.
Okay, now after reading spoilers for Captain America 2, I'm wondering what that will mean for the show, I mean with
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SHIELD being disolved
and all.
It does perhaps shed some light on current events though. My guess is that
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Clairvoyant/Victoria Hand is a HYDRA agent as well, which only makes sense now.
What this will mean for the team, however, I can't yet guess.
I was wondering about this after seeing Cap 2 as well. Next week's episode:
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the team hands out resumes, and Fitz gets an interview at an Apple store.
After watching this weeks episode right before seeing Cap 2 I'm finally excited to watch this show. It's been just OK so far & last episode seems to tie into Cap 2 wonderfully. Can't wait for Tuesday to get here!
I quite liked this week's episode. Maybe my brain was on cruise control but there were a number of twists that I didn't really see coming.
What I like most about it is that the current story line can stand on it's own and it could be integrated with the Marvels movies, which in this case it did with the Captain America movie
Loved the twists and turns that came with this weeks episode. I even loved the change in the shows logo to the Hydra symbol during some of the commercial breaks.
Looks like the next 5 episodes will deal with Colsen's team doing status checks on SHIELD's remaining assets and investigating who the Clairvoyant/Deathlok connection is with HYDRA. Not to mention that we get to follow what is going on with Hydra now that all of their plans with taking over SHIELD have failed.
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I'm still taking bets that the Clairvoyant is Arnim Zola's AI and/or his algorithm this whole time and the season cliffhanger will be them finding Zola's new body.
- CQ
If Garrett ripped open his shirt to reveal a steel torso and Zola's face on a monitor on his stomach ala Krang from TMNT ... I would laugh.
I'm interested to see how this show does "The Cube" but, tbh, this show has taken waaaaaay too long to become kind of interesting.
This is just a theory, but I think the reason why it took so long for the show to pick up is because they had it timed with the movies. If you haven't seen the movies, then the show with be a semi-spoiler for the movies. They are trying to keep everything happening "around" the same time. It's like having one big story line running through the shows and the movies, a huge cinematic comic
I only watched like 2-3 episodes,and frankly you can barely tell its in Marvell universe.IMO they could have used that licence a lot better.
Quote from: Spade on April 18, 2014, 05:29:08 AM
I only watched like 2-3 episodes,and frankly you can barely tell its in Marvell universe.IMO they could have used that licence a lot better.
Actually, they've done a pretty excellent job tying it into the universe. Cap 2's now turned the whole show on it's head and it's a better show because of it.
Maybe Ill check it out.Do any superheroes actually appear in the show?
Quote from: Spade on April 18, 2014, 06:15:22 AM
Maybe Ill check it out.Do any superheroes actually appear in the show?
It's not superhero show, it's a SHIELD show. There are several villains that appear and Sif from Thor makes a guest appearance, but it's not really about superheroes. It's a look at how an law enformcement organization deals with a world of heroes and villains. If you didn't like earlier episodes, but have seen Captain America 2, a good place to jump back in would be the last couple of episodes, which complement that movie quite well.
Dont know,when i hear Marvel,first thing that comes to my mind is Spidey,Wolverin,Fantastic Four and not Nick Fury.Dont get me wrong Nick is cool and all,but he isnt a big name.I know,the show is about SHIELD and not superheroes but it could have been an opportunity to introduce a bunch of A and B list charachters to movie universe,but we got Coulson.
*sigh* Spade, please go back and read the rest of this thread, we've all had the "I wish Agents catered to who I want to see" discussion already. You might have only seen three episodes, but everyone else is on episode 18, and we were talking about Deathlock, the alien body that had something to do with Coulson's resurrection, the recent Hydra invasion, the fact a main cast member might be a traitor... We're all basically past this. If you want to continue complaining about an opinion you made after seeing 3 episodes of a 22 episode season, please do it someplace else.
I wasnt complaining,and I said I only watched a few episodes so I cant judge the whole show.But ok,not important,see ya later and all that.
'Mato, no need to be rude, dude. :P
Spade, yeah, you're not alone. There are a lot of folks who would like to see more super characters on the show, but it seems that is not what SHIELD is about. You will certainly enjoy it more if you approach it without expecting to see a lot of four color glory in its episodes. Still, your mileage may vary.
For my part, the show has certainly gotten better after Cap, but it still feels weak overall. It's just...sorta' corny, I suppose. One thing has occurred to me with these last few episodes:
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If they try to do a redemption story with Ward, I maybe be out. He's too far down the rabbit hole. He's shot the dog at this point, and I don't want to see some type of 'ohh no, suddenly I regret betraying my friends, my oath, and murdering tons of people in cold blood!' kind of story with him. If he pulls a Vader and dies in the attempt, I could probably stomach it, but he's a villain through-and-through at this point to me.
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 18, 2014, 02:33:56 PM
For my part, the show has certainly gotten better after Cap, but it still feels weak overall. It's just...sorta' corny, I suppose. One thing has occurred to me with these last few episodes:
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If they try to do a redemption story with Ward, I maybe be out. He's too far down the rabbit hole. He's shot the dog at this point, and I don't want to see some type of 'ohh no, suddenly I regret betraying my friends, my oath, and murdering tons of people in cold blood!' kind of story with him. If he pulls a Vader and dies in the attempt, I could probably stomach it, but he's a villain through-and-through at this point to me.
It seems to me that
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they are setting Triplett up to replace Ward. I don't see him just joining the team again and expect that Triplett's been set up to be his replacement from the time he was introduced. Now, he's suddenly joined the team at the exact same time that Ward has left to do evil things. I do not consider this a coincidence.
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I MUCH prefer Evil Ward to Good Ward. No redemption I say! :twisted:
By making Ward villainous you get an adversary who knows just about everything about the team, even after his deception is discovered. It also makes some of his previous actions much more interesting in restrospect.
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I think they're setting him up for a sort of Vader moment, myself. He's clearly beyond redemption with his actions, and they've made it clear in the script that he has no real loyalty to Coulson or the others. I think it's being set up for him to go completely evil, but then give his life saving Skye. As cat points out, Triplett is already replacing him in the team dynamic... and frankly, is a much more interesting character than "good" Ward was.
Here's a long shot, but what are the chances of Ward becoming a minor marvel villain? I'm think with all that training and skills he have plus the connection the show have with the Avengers, he could be Taskmaster or some other villain. What do you guys think?
Careful JeyNyce...
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But on a serious note... it could be. I doubt it would be an B-lister like Taskmaster (they may not wanna waste him on Agents) but someone at the same level as Graviton or Deathlock is certainly possible.
'Mato if you're going to post pics of pretty ladies, I just may have to spill my guts on everything I know! LOL!
River may be pretty, but she'll also kick your rear end six ways without breaking a sweat if you keep putting spoilers outside of spoiler tags. Just saying.
Anyhow, just finished this weeks episode. No huge revelations, but we finally meet that Cellist Coulson mentioned back in the Avengers. And Marvel Cinemaverse Blackout too. Also, Triplett is the grandson of Gabe Jones, apparently.
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Sky now knows about Ward, but is basically his captive as this point, while pretending that she doesn't know it. Triplett's being the grandson of one of the movie characters is further a sign that he's replacing Ward, not that I think anyone should doubt that at this point.
Anyone have any idea who the teleporting, antique gun-using character that shot someone in Morocco was? It was mentioned while they are scanning for "gifted" activity.
Quote from: Starman on April 24, 2014, 12:04:58 AM
Anyone have any idea who the teleporting, antique gun-using character that shot someone in Morocco was? It was mentioned while they are scanning for "gifted" activity.
I was thinking maybe Paladin (his stun guns are designed on older pistols) but I guess I need to dig out my old Marvel Universe Encyclopedias.
- CQ
Now THAT was a good episode. This show is definitely getting better. My wife, who has been ambivalent to outright hostile (when it comes to Sky) watched with rapt attention this week. She usually has her head buried in her iPad, finding the show boring. I'm really hopeful that they'll be able to stick with this level of quality and hold her interest!
Another good one here
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The team does not pick up the idiot ball like characters on other shows would. Instead of not figuring out the obvious to have more drama, they immediately realize Ward is evil and act accordingly. Lots of drama to be had for sure, but it all actually made sense. I also love the scene with Lola. Sky just doesn't get the implications of a flying car while Coulson instantly does.
Also we finally find out who was running TAHITI--and it's Coulson himself! It was intended to be used to save the Avengers in case one of them were killed but it drove the test subjects nuts, which is why all the elaborate precautions were made. The also explains Coulson begging to be allowed to die--since he knew he'd be pretty much lost anyways.
It's becoming clear now that much of this was planned for the start, but unfortunately the boring stuff that they have since twisted around have already turned a lot of people off who took it all for face value. Too bad, because the show's now pretty good and the early episodes are now put in an entirely new light.
Yeah I'll agree the show is much more enjoyable lately.
This show really turned the corner. So much fun lately.
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Thoughts about the preview for next week... If the writers try to redeem Ward in ANY way I'm done with this show. Evil Ward is the greatest thing they have done. I hated the character with a passion. Watching good guy Ward best Triplett in a fight was a crime. Looking back I see it was just to set up bad guy Ward as a force to be reckoned with. The writers need to keep him evil. In fact they can push him into possible super-villain status if they want to. DO NOT REDEEM HIM.
I want them to take Ward in one of two directions.
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1. Redemption equals death. He dies Saving Sky.
2. He gives up on his interest on Sky, crosses the Moral Event Horizon and because completely irredeemably evil, which seems to be the direction its going
I'd be fine with either, but not with Ward turning good. With Triplett on the team as his apparently replacement, I'm pretty sure that won't happen.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on April 30, 2014, 02:51:21 AM
It's becoming clear now that much of this was planned for the start, but unfortunately the boring stuff that they have since twisted around have already turned a lot of people off who took it all for face value. Too bad, because the show's now pretty good and the early episodes are now put in an entirely new light.
Like I said earlier I think they did that to keep in sync with the movies. Now that the movies are done for now, they can go at their own pace.
I think you've got the right idea Cat.
Cat:
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Out of the two options you posted I would totally choose number 2. Irredeemably evil is the way to go IMO.
Triplett is now one of my favorite characters on the show. Hope he sticks around for the long haul.
Oh dear God I finally caught up, and boy am I glad I did. This show, post Winter Soldier tie-in is at least three times as good as the best it was previously.TWS is my favorite movie, it's so good that it saved a TV show. I really hope this gets picked up for a second season!
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I really didn't realize Sky was half Chinese nor did I realize May was 50. She looks amazing. Anyway, she's definitely Sky's mother.
Ward being evil is the best thing ever. He wasn't a good character but boy is he now! He's absolutely crazy. I can't wait to see May break his neck. The whole Hydra storyline dismantling Shield was exactly what this show needed (maybe even moreso than characters with super powers)
I really like Triplet, he's a great replacement for Ward. Having that episode with Robin was great too, she's tough as nails! Patton Oswald was a great guest too.
It really is interesting how much better the show has gotten. It went from a show I just kinda watched just because, to one that I really look forward to.
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Well I sure hope Fitz-Simmons are okay. They're my favorite.
Agents Of SHIELD was officially picked up for it's SECOND season (I'm sure a lot of it has to do with it's major shift in story after Captain America 2) and just like I heard rumored.. the One-Shot short (from the Iron Man 3 Blu-Ray) Marvel's Agent Carter IS GETTING IT'S OWN SERIES (not hard to believe if they used an extended version of the one-shot as the pilot). So, we will be getting a double dose of Marvel probably on Tuesday Nights for the 2014 Fall/Winter lineup. :)
For those who never saw the Agent Carter one-shot, It's follows Cap's girlfriend Peggy in the years after he vanished during his last mission and her joining the Strategic Scientific Reserve and then joining Howard Stark to help assemble SHIELD. Hayley Atwell (from Captain America 1 & 2) returns as Peggy along with cameos of Dominic Cooper (as Howard Stark) and various members of The Howling Commandos (they already confirmed that Derek Luke will show up as Gabe Jones for a few episodes). Toby Jones (Arnim Zola) is slated to be a regular on the show as the resident mad scientist.
- CQ
CQ, that...actually sounds really awesome! Count me in! I'd love to see a WWII/Cold War era superhero/spy series. Ohh, they could bring in the Invaders as guest stars!
That's great news, the show being picked up for a second season. After they stepped things up so much here at the end, they definitely needed a chance to see what they could do with all this new good will they built up. :)
As for the last few episodes:
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So, this has continued to be good, though it's dipping into cheesy in a few spots. When Sky isn't having a REALLY good performance seemingly painfully pulled out of her by Ward, she's still just not that great. She has gotten better, though, and the whole bit with her and Ward was really pretty excellent.
I agree with Sky, though, her not letting Ward die was DEFINITELY weakness. That wasn't compassion; it was stupidity. Coulson, come on man.
I too am EAGERLY waiting for May to beat the ever-loving tar out of Ward!
Yeah, I also hope Fitz-Simmons are okay. They're my favorites too! The questions about Ward's action there, to my mind, are two-fold. First, did he expect to kill them with that trick? Second, and probably the answer to the first, who is behind the sniper scope targeting Buddy, the dog, in the brief flash back right afterwards?
All-in-all, this show is maintaining its fever pitch, and it is very, very good. I liked the reveal of what was going on with Garrett. That makes a bit more sense, but we still really need some more development of who he is. The whole Hydra thing seems to be really just window-dressing for him. I'd like to see that explored more.
That last moment, though, with the super-soldiers all around the team? Wow. I'm looking forward to the next episode.
I have one MAJOR complaint about this last episode, though:
So, we get the dramatic reveal of Ward's history with Garrett. It's supposed to reveal why he's so fanatically loyal, 'cause he 'owes him so much,' etc...but there's one glaring problem. Nowhere in that episode did I see anything that would point to some type of devotion or bond between them. Garrett gets Ward out of prison, dumps him in the woods for six months, and presumably for years afterward, and then forces him to shoot the only friend he's ever known. That's much more like a nemesis than a mentor. Maybe Ward was desperate for a father figure, but we don't see that, and we don't see anything that even looks REMOTELY like it could justify Ward's actions or motivations. That's a big problem.
The show's ratings have not been spectacular, but they've been at least okay all season. They've been rising steadily since the Cap 2 changes, so they'd be stupid to cancel it before seeing how high it could go. But even without good ratings, they've been getting some huge mileage at of using it as a promotional engine for the big movies. It's worth keeping around even if the ratings had been sub-par just for that reason.
The Carter series could be good. I finally saw the one-shot and it apparently served as the internal pilot, with it being ordered to series with no additional filming. There was a hickup as they took longer to make a decision than was expected, so the actress's option on her contract actually expired, but they she agreed to renegotiate, so it worked out.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 09, 2014, 08:40:28 PM
CQ, that...actually sounds really awesome! Count me in! I'd love to see a WWII/Cold War era superhero/spy series. Ohh, they could bring in the Invaders as guest stars!
I'm pretty sure Union Jack will get a cameo since Montgomery Falsworth was one of the movies Howling Commandos and they did confirm in Captain America 2 (within the Smithsonian exhibit) that all of the commandos except Bucky survived all of their conflicts and retired in some capacity. I wouldn't be surprised that they somehow weave in some background info on Baron Wolfgang von Strucker into both Agents Of SHIELD and Agent Carter before his appearance in Avengers 2 with the twins.
- CQ
Awesome! I love Union Jack!
Great way to end the season. Had action, jokes and mystery. I'm not going to talk about it until enough people have seen it, but it was a great show!
It was some good TV. It was actually fast paced, I thought the show was at the end when it was barely halfway through. Though I like how it tied up and where it's leading, there are some pretty SIGNIFICANT questions that are still unanswered. Not that is a bad thing. Especially since we know it'll be around next season to answer them. Though there are some impressions and questions I have:
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Even though Garrett was the focused of the latter part of the season, I noticed Hydra never really had a "leader" of much of a focus at all that was really explained. I halfway expected to see Thomas Kretschmann(Baron Strucker) or Raina get re-introduced as Madam Hydra or something. Now that Hydra is out in the open and has more than 4-5 episodes to play around with, I really want to know what direction will they go? Will they be like a Outside enemy with opposing interest, like Alias(which I'm rewatch) had with a K-Directorate/Alliance of 12/Covenant? Will there be another enemy? Will they have a larger role?
Another thing that bothered me is them going back to Koenig again, after he was killed... They couldn't use a Clay Quartermain or G.W. Bridge or any number of other SHIELD Agents to introduce the Playground?
What's going to happen with Fitz? He wasn't around and they'd only say that he's "alive" or "breathing" and didn't show him for the last 30 minutes or say that he would be okay. That tells me that rather De Caestecker will not be coming back or the character will be different.
What will happen with the team? If Coulson is the new Director, I doubt he's going to be flying around on the plane looking for unidentified objects anymore?
What will happen to Ward? I know they didn't make him a "Good Guy" all over again, but they definitely left that door WIDE open. I don't have a problem with it as much because they played it well. I doubt he can be a regular, but I doubt he's done either.
I really love Simmons. She puts a smile on my face everytime she's on screen. She is just that happy little nerdy sweetheart that I'd totally go for in High School. Not really a question about the show, just wanted to share.
Now with the last episode, we finally know what the show is really all about and how it will fit into the greater Marvel universe, but great setup for next season.
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The good guys win, of course, and Deathlock is set free to goes off to be a hero. Garrett is killed. Twice. Ward apparently takes over as the big bad.
That's not the interesting part, though. Coulson is now Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. and has been tasked by Fury to rebuild the organization from the ground up. I know SHIELD would be back sooner or later, so its good to see that happening.
I liked it.
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Anxious to see what happens next with Fitz. I'm expecting he'll be in a coma, or a wheel chair, or otherwise disabled for much of the season/series.
Really glad he didn't die, but mostly because Whedon shows have played that card too many times now.
Disappointed Deathlok walked away. I'm sure we'll see him again but I would have really liked to see him become a regular and that appears less likely now.
I was very surprised how much Samuel L. Jackson appeared as Nick Fury. I was just expected a cameo, but he was a legitimate guest star. That was very cool. Sadly his speech at the end makes it sound like this might be the last of him on the show for a long while.
Coulson becoming the new director is a pretty neat development. I hope they get back Colbie Smoulders next year. In the comics Hill is always gunning to run SHIELD, I wonder what this versions reaction would be.
Great Show
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I love the part with Coulson and Fury was talking about how crazy Garrett was. Also I'm guessing by the way Fury left that he will not be in the show any more, but what about the movies? I'm surprise nobody didn't say anything about Skye's father. Who do you guys think he is?
Now that the season is over, do you guys think that they are going to still try to tie the show with the movies (Avenger 2, Cap 3) or are they going to let it go on it own, so it won't have the slow start like this season did?
After watching every episode from this season I can say with certainty that the next season of this show will tie into the next season of movies.
The season finale was neat. Nothing mind blowing from my end. Kind of a safe way to handle everything IMO.
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At one point I thought to myself "Wait... Garrett is going to be next season's big bad as well?"
SPLAT!
"...Nope."
And I too loved that scene with Coulson and Fury discussing the crazy.
All in all, a good season ending. (may add to this post later when my thoughts are more organized.)
Well, I agree with most of what's been said at this point. It was a good finale, and the show is definitely in much better shape going into its next season.
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The episode started sorta' weak, with the escape from all of those Centipede soldiers straining my suspension of disbelief a bit. They just sort of stood there, shot, and were somehow not instantly killed, despite the fact that a single Centipede was previously a match for the entire team. Plus, May got the Berzerker Staff away from its wielder with ridiculous ease.
Still, the show picked up right after that scene, and pretty much everything else was great. It had a ton of really fun dialog, and I'll add my voice to the chorus praising the Fury/Coulson discussion. That was lots of fun. I also really enjoyed the moment when Coulson is handed the super-gun from The Avengers. "I know what this does." It was cheesy, but I still loved it.
Garrett's second death was a wonderful subversion of the usual tropes. That was awesome. I was REALLY not thrilled that he was back because I really didn't care for the character or the actor much. He just seemed awfully 'tv-actor-chews-the-scenary' to me. Still, that was a very satisfying end to him...both times!
I was also SUPER excited to see May finally give Ward his just deserts, and that was a great scene. I was disappointed, however, that she didn't put a few nails into his head as well. She should have finished him off, and I can't think of a single good reason for the character not to have done just that. I was quite ready for Ward to die, because I've still seen no reasonable motivation for him, and I REALLY don't want to see them try to reform him.
The monstrous father of Sky is (partially) revealed! Interesting! I'm wondering if the predictions that some FR folks made regarding Sky being an Inhuman might be correct. That would be a good backdoor way to deal with mutation, which seems to be the direction the show is headed.
Fitz! He finally told Simmons how he felt, which is great. That was a wonderful scene, and both of those guys did a great job with it. I do hope that he's alright, though I imagine we'll definitely seem some kind lasting consequences from his experience. It's possible that there will be a story arc next season about trying to heal him.
Coulson as Director of S.H.I.E.L.D....that's interesting. I'm not entirely sure what I think about it, but I'm glad that the organization is getting rebuilt. It's not the Marvel U. without S.H.I.E.L.D.
Thought this was a pretty good interview, asking Gregg about his thoughts on the Marvel Universe and thoughts about the direction of the next season. Pretty fun view, IMO.
http://marvel.com/news/tv/2014/5/16/22532/watch_clark_gregg_talk_about_marvels_agents_of_shield_season_2?linkId=8293214
School became so time consuming this past year that I missed the entire season (other than the pilot). I cannot wait to have a chance to binge watch it on Netflix or Bluray.
Anyone else watching Cap:tWS on the edge of your seat when Cap was giving Fury what for and expressed his disapproval of Fury compartmentalizing everything? I kept waiting for Fury to say, "Well, I guess I should tell you about Coulson..."
Anyway, I hope I can watch before the Carter series begin.
Soo...did Graviton really appeared here?
Spade:
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Sort of...the accident that gave him his origin occurred, but so far he hasn't emerged with powers yet....though the gravitonium or whatever it was has recently reemerged.
^Thanks.Somebody was saying that Agents are possibly setting up for Thunderbolts because of Gravitons apperance so I had to ask.
Graviton only featured as a bad guy fighting the Thunderbolts a couple of times in the comics. As far as the actual team, we only saw Blizzard on Agents of SHIELD. I doubt that indicates they are setting up the Thunderbolts for an appearance unless they plan on introducing a whole pile of Marvel characters in Season 2.
^Its just somebody blogging.Its not official.
Read a confirmation today (http://tvline.com/2014/07/18/arrow-season-3-laurel-felicity-storylines/) about something I'd been wondering about, that Ward will be returning in Season 2. Not sure if he's still a regular or if we'll be seeing some smaller appearances. Personally I'm guessing he's still a regular.
Hmm, here's hoping he's minor. He's crossed the moral event horizon, and there just isn't that many places they can go with him that aren't just going to tick me off.
It's 4:30 where I am and I don't feel like linking, but I trust someone can back me up.
Apparently, Lucy Lawless will be joining the cast as well as Mocking Bird... Not saying the two are related.
Mockingbird was name dropped at a SHIELD panel held last night, but she is definitely not being played by Lawless. Lawless will instead be playing Agent "Isabelle Hartley"
Article here (http://screenrant.com/agents-shield-season-2-mockingbird/).
I read that mockingbird is being played by an actress from "The Middle" (a show I've never seen)
Not sure how accurate this report is.
Quote from: Tomato on July 26, 2014, 01:14:10 PM
Mockingbird was name dropped at a SHIELD panel held last night, but she is definitely not being played by Lawless. Lawless will instead be playing Agent "Isabelle Hartley"
Article here (http://screenrant.com/agents-shield-season-2-mockingbird/).
Thanks.
Well... She IS Mockingbird. Which would make her 3rd such character from a comic book.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/agents-shield-enlists-adrianne-palicki-726118?mobile_redirect=false
Ok, so I didn't realize she was in G.I. Joe... But she was great in Red Dawn!
I am looking forward to catching up and seeing next season.
Since Mockingbird is on the show, what are the chances of Hawkeye making an appearance?
Quote from: JeyNyce on August 19, 2014, 10:59:27 PM
Since Mockingbird is on the show, what are the chances of Hawkeye making an appearance?
I would say slim to none.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on August 19, 2014, 06:19:09 PM
Well... She IS Mockingbird. Which would make her 3rd such character from a comic book.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/agents-shield-enlists-adrianne-palicki-726118?mobile_redirect=false
What's the other comic book character she played before? Wonder Woman, Mocking Bird, ???
Quote from: Midnite on August 20, 2014, 03:32:21 PM
What's the other comic book character she played before? Wonder Woman, Mocking Bird, ???
Lady Jaye in G.I. Joe: Retaliation.. G.I. Joe is a comic book frachise after all.
Quote from: JeyNyce on August 19, 2014, 10:59:27 PM
Since Mockingbird is on the show, what are the chances of Hawkeye making an appearance?
And as far as Hawkeye showing up in a cameo.. Samuel L. Jackson showed up in the show 2 times as Nick Fury, plus now that the show has established itself.. we might get a few more cameos this season since more villains will be surfacing.
- CQ
Also Jamie Alexander, Sif from the Thor movies had a pretty good cameo. Sure, she's not Sam Jackson level, but the possibility of more film stars to make cameos is always getting better. Maybe Falcon could make an appearance?
Plus they could always film a scene or two while filming one of the movies. This show has itself become a major part of promoting the films, so I expect on that basis alone they can get as many guest stars from the films as they want. Besides that particular actor is not an A class star, so I doubt getting him to show up in a TV show would be all that difficult.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on August 20, 2014, 09:13:01 PM
Plus they could always film a scene or two while filming one of the movies. This show has itself become a major part of promoting the films, so I expect on that basis alone they can get as many guest stars from the films as they want. Besides that particular actor is not an A class star, so I doubt getting him to show up in a TV show would be all that difficult.
But he is a multiple time Oscar nominee and part of 3 major franchises. I'll be surprised (pleasantly) if any of the Avengers shows up on Agents of Shield.
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Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on August 20, 2014, 09:13:01 PM
Plus they could always film a scene or two while filming one of the movies. This show has itself become a major part of promoting the films, so I expect on that basis alone they can get as many guest stars from the films as they want. Besides that particular actor is not an A class star, so I doubt getting him to show up in a TV show would be all that difficult.
But he is a multiple time Oscar nominee and part of 3 major franchises. I'll be surprised (pleasantly) if any of the Avengers shows up on Agents of Shield.
Is he? I've never heard of or seen him outside of Marvel and have no idea what his name even is. Anyhow, if they can get Samuel L. Jackson, they can get him. Not to mention they can, as I said, throw it into a movie's production or include it as part of the promotional stuff they have to do as part of the film anyway. It's doable. I'm not saying it will be done, only that it can be.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on August 21, 2014, 12:47:06 AM
Is he? I've never heard of or seen him outside of Marvel and have no idea what his name even is.
Jeremy Renner, star of the Bourne series after Matt Damon, and also stars in the Mission Impossible series along side Tom Cruise, among other things. He has done some TV work, but he's in pretty high demand so it won't be easy for SHIELD to get him. It's certainly possible though.
I've read that Mockingbird is currently only scheduled for one episode.
Honestly, it's more about how down the actor is. Sam Jackson has grossed more than any other actor in the Avengers combined or has been a part of such films. But he's the kind of cat that would do a small screen cameo because he wants to. Jeremy Renner and Scar Jo, I can see them big timming ABC/Disney though.
Oh by the way... That universe Sam L. Jackson talked about in Iron Man just keeps getting bigger...
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=122161
A picture of Carter on Agents of SHIELD has surfaced. Apparently, she'll be doing flashbacks which will probably lead into her own show when that comes around.
More importantly, Dum Dum!
http://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/pic-peggy-carter-marvels-agents-shield/#!bSQDOx