If anyone missed RAW last night and didn't tape it, either go find someone who did or smack yourself. The main event saw the return of a legend for one night only in a mixed tag match, though its possible she may return for Wrestlemania. I won't say who, but they were in Toronto, Canada, so you figure it out. :)
Batista is apparently out until at least next June, possibly even until August, with a torn hamstring. This possibly ruins the WWE's plans for Wrestlemania, as there were rumors that they were going to turn Big Dave heel and set up a Batista vs. Cena match at `Mania.
I hate to see anyone injured, but if the rumors were true I'm sort of relieved, as Batista has had waaaay too many title shots over the past two years.
Frankly, I think Batista should consider retiring.
How did she look overall? Still in good shape? any ring rust?
Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on December 23, 2008, 06:40:02 AM
How did she look overall? Still in good shape? any ring rust?
She looked terrific. And she didn't have any ring rust at all. Lawler even mentioned it during the match. Even hit the Matrix fairly soon after tagging in.
She's also grown her hair out some so its a bit longer than it was before. Looked great.
She might be back for a bit more than a one-nighter. She mentioned recently that she would be interested in coming back for a brief feud with Beth Phoenix. I could see that match happening at Wrestlemania. (it should happen there, imo!) In addition, another female on the roster has been very interested in learning from Trish and I would not be surprised to see Trish take the young lady under her wing.
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on December 23, 2008, 02:30:22 PM
She might be back for a bit more than a one-nighter. She mentioned recently that she would be interested in coming back for a brief feud with Beth Phoenix. I could see that match happening at Wrestlemania. (it should happen there, imo!) In addition, another female on the roster has been very interested in learning from Trish and I would not be surprised to see Trish take the young lady under her wing.
never become a spy, you started off in code then just named the mystery she :D
Lol. It's funny though, Trish brought Beth in to RAW. That was her foil to Mickie James. Then Mickie I think, broke her nose that 1st or 2nd night she wrestled. SHe did a Chyna and came back more feminine.
Quote from: thanoson on December 23, 2008, 10:04:36 PM
Lol. It's funny though, Trish brought Beth in to RAW. That was her foil to Mickie James. Then Mickie I think, broke her nose that 1st or 2nd night she wrestled. SHe did a Chyna and came back more feminine.
Actually, Beth had her nose broke after a screw-up in a match with Victoria.
Could have sworn it was Mickie. Wait, did Victoria sub for Mickie in that match?
Edit: Just read the story. It was her mandible that was broken. And yes it was Victoria. Hmm... think age is starting to catch up to me.
Over at another board I go to (which Mr. Hamrick also posts at sometimes), one of the other posters mentioned that according to the Facebooks of the Blue Meanie and Tammy Lynn Sytch (probably better known to those of you who are only WWF\E fans as Sunny), Test has died. :(
really how?
Only 33 too. Man, how am I living longer than these guys? And he was pretty good too.
Quote from: thanoson on March 14, 2009, 11:56:44 AM
Only 33 too. Man, how am I living longer than these guys? And he was pretty good too.
You don't put your body through what is basically a car crash every other night for years on end. The cherry on top is that most of these guys never let their bodies properly heal and turn to painkilling drugs to keep doing what they do. Sure baseball, football and hockey players do the same thing --- but they have off seasons, healthplans and guaranteed money to a certain extent.
Wrestlers are on there own, no support by the company they're employed by. That's part of the reason why the WWE keeps stressing they're entertainment and not a sport so they don't have to go by state and federal regulations that would apply to athletes and such.
They don't wrestle, they don't get paid. Plain and simple. So they keep doing what they have to keep wrestling and getting paid.
My belief as to what also is contributing, is that wrestling has become more brutal and what they're doing to their bodies is more punishing in the last decade. Sadly, ECW may have been the best and worst thing to happen to wrestling. Most matches have become nothing more than a stuntshow with constant high impact spots in crazy situations. The gimmick matches and all these insane spots were held out for the biggest year end shows. People getting hit with chairs, being put through tables and all this insanity was usually the end of something or the big climax to an arc. Now, they're common occurrences in weekly matches.
RTT
Well, Test was a roids user, and roids do make you more susceptible to injury. But its possible he died from drug use; apparently he OD'd a while back but was saved by Kelly Kelly, who he was dating at the time. But they broke up a month or two back.
There's a pretty good text interview Bret Hart did with ESPN where he talks about wrestlers using painkillers (particularly Soma, which is what a few wrestlers have died from OD'ing on) and steroids. (Bret has admitted to using steroids for a while, but he never used painkillers)
Its on page two of this, and he has some pretty good points:
http://sports.espn.go.com/videogames/news/story?id=3965096
I thought the WWE dropped the ball big time regarding Test during his first run in the WWE...especially once they pulled off the Triple-H marrying Stephanie bit. Before he bulked up, cut his hair and went heel I thought he was a pretty good midcard to upper midcard level wrestler. (I don't think I could have ever seen him as a main eventer)
I recently started watching wrestling again, but the one thing that bugs me now, there are NO heroes! It used to be that if someone was getting teamed up on, someone would come out and help them. It just doesn't happen anymore. Dissappointing.
Quote from: Cyber Burn on April 17, 2009, 05:46:02 PM
I recently started watching wrestling again, but the one thing that bugs me now, there are NO heroes! It used to be that if someone was getting teamed up on, someone would come out and help them. It just doesn't happen anymore. Dissappointing.
Ain't that the truth. If you want to REALLY be confused, watch TNA. Sting is a member of a heel stable, despite being a face, and he's currently feuding with Mick Foley, who was first brought in as an authority figure and recently turned heel. TNA has absolutely horrible booking and angles - I swear their bookers are either on drugs or need to be - but good wrestling. Their women's division is actually better than the WWE's, in my opinion.
They just had the annual draft in the WWE, and now is a good time to watch ECW, since they now have Hurricane Helms (not using the super-hero gimmick, just the nickname), Christian and Evan Bourne. The only downside is they sent Vladimir Kozlov to ECW, and knowing the way the WWE book things he'll probably dominate the roster, when truthfully he needs to be repackaged or released.
And to think.... I'll be doing this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlsreLAb2FU) again next month.
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Quote from: Cyber Burn on April 17, 2009, 05:46:02 PM
I recently started watching wrestling again, but the one thing that bugs me now, there are NO heroes! It used to be that if someone was getting teamed up on, someone would come out and help them. It just doesn't happen anymore. Dissappointing.
Ain't that the truth. If you want to REALLY be confused, watch TNA. Sting is a member of a heel stable, despite being a face, and he's currently feuding with Mick Foley, who was first brought in as an authority figure and recently turned heel. TNA has absolutely horrible booking and angles - I swear their bookers are either on drugs or need to be - but good wrestling. Their women's division is actually better than the WWE's, in my opinion.
They just had the annual draft in the WWE, and now is a good time to watch ECW, since they now have Hurricane Helms (not using the super-hero gimmick, just the nickname), Christian and Evan Bourne. The only downside is they sent Vladimir Kozlov to ECW, and knowing the way the WWE book things he'll probably dominate the roster, when truthfully he needs to be repackaged or released.
I'm glad the Hurricane ditched the superhero gimmick. Ugh. I haven't been able to get into TNA, I tried (the wife love's Sting), but it just doesn't work for me.
Quote from: Cyber Burn on April 28, 2009, 12:59:00 AM
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 17, 2009, 09:57:03 PM
Quote from: Cyber Burn on April 17, 2009, 05:46:02 PM
I recently started watching wrestling again, but the one thing that bugs me now, there are NO heroes! It used to be that if someone was getting teamed up on, someone would come out and help them. It just doesn't happen anymore. Dissappointing.
Ain't that the truth. If you want to REALLY be confused, watch TNA. Sting is a member of a heel stable, despite being a face, and he's currently feuding with Mick Foley, who was first brought in as an authority figure and recently turned heel. TNA has absolutely horrible booking and angles - I swear their bookers are either on drugs or need to be - but good wrestling. Their women's division is actually better than the WWE's, in my opinion.
They just had the annual draft in the WWE, and now is a good time to watch ECW, since they now have Hurricane Helms (not using the super-hero gimmick, just the nickname), Christian and Evan Bourne. The only downside is they sent Vladimir Kozlov to ECW, and knowing the way the WWE book things he'll probably dominate the roster, when truthfully he needs to be repackaged or released.
I'm glad the Hurricane ditched the superhero gimmick. Ugh. I haven't been able to get into TNA, I tried (the wife love's Sting), but it just doesn't work for me.
The problem with Helms is that the Hurricane superhero gimmick is what got him over the most, and they really haven't done much to try to get him back up there. Him being out a long time with an injury when he was cruiserweight champ didn't help, either. Truthfully, I wish they'd let him use the Vertebreaker.
As for TNA, its not everyone's cup of tea. Sting happens to be one of my all-time favorite wrestlers, but the fact is TNA is more or less WCW-Lite - that is, they WISH they were WCW - with a somewhat decent women's division. They push older wrestlers who are past their prime too much (Mick Foley is the champ!) and don't give the younger guys enough room to shine. Plus, they have two guys who helped run WCW into the ground on their booking team; Vince Russo, whose crap helped speed up the company's demise, and Jeff Jarrett who is arguably one of the worst WCW champions of all time and was a midcarder until Russo, who is he friends with, took over as booker. (Don't get me wrong: I like Jeff Jarrett, but the fact is some of his WCW title reigns came at the expense of more deserving and more popular wrestlers and he's lousy as a heel)
TNA's booking team is primarily Jeff Jarrett, Dutch Mantel, and Vince Russo (who is more or less an advisor, meaning he doesn't have as much power as he had in the WWE or (thankfully, because the company would already be dead if he did) WCW, with Dixie Carter (unfortunately, not the actress from Designing Women), who has absolutely no clue what she is doing, having some say. She's been the one responsible, for the most part, for the company bringing in celebrities most people don't care about, and she has no knowledge of the wrestling business or from a fan standpoint.
Unless someone else takes over TNA, they will NEVER be anywhere near a threat to the WWE. They do have better wrestling at times, but their booking is atrocious and they sometimee even forget match stipulations during the actual matches!
One of the best things they could do is make Jim Cornette part of the booking team, instead of just an on-screen authority figure. Cornette does have a bad temper and is a bit nuts, but he's got some sense when it actually comes to the fans and booking.
Somebody let Paul Heyman back in booking. That guy was a genius. Why? Because he actually let his wrestlers come up with stuff and considered it. Maybe with a tweek here and there.
So, 1st ken kennedy and now Umaga? Wow. This sucks.
I am sort of shocked by Umaga. Was it a wellness issue or anything?
Thats too bad i always liked Kennedy but he was always injured alot and never around enough to make a real impact.
Kennedy made his comeback and is now released again? I'm shocked by the Jeff Hardy thing...shocked and laughed my behind off! I have to agree there are not enough saves like there used to be in wrestling....no one runs out like they used to when a wrestler was in need. I don't know who is writing the stuff now but they clearly need some emotional help. It's too morbid.
Wellnes policy-2 Umaga-0
Mitsuharu Misawa died in the ring in Japan! :blink:
I don't know the full specifics, but he was in a tag title match, took a back suplex from Akitoshi Saito and had a heart attack. He was declared dead at the hospital an hour and a half later, but may have actually died in the ring. (They stopped the match and tried CPR on him, but he didn't regain consciousness and turned purple)
He would have turned 47 on the 18th of this month.
Bit of trivia: He was the second Tiger Mask, which is why he used Tiger Drivers and Suplexes in his moveset.
Kurt Angle has been arrested.
http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1250384270.php?style=dark
appearently TNA wresting has signed Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff to the company.
Yep, puked a little in my mouth when I read this. Can you imagine AJ Styles or Samoa Joe having to job to the slowest leg drop in the world?
Quote from: thanoson on October 27, 2009, 09:26:32 PM
Yep, puked a little in my mouth when I read this. Can you imagine AJ Styles or Samoa Joe having to job to the slowest leg drop in the world?
Well, honestly this means Vince Russo is either out as booker or will at least have his stupid ideas that don't get anyone over shot down. And either way, that's a good thing. Unfortunately it also means the wrestlers who are all past their prime will be getting pushed over the younger guys.
And Hogan is in no shape to be wrestling any time soon, if ever again.
TNA needs to be renamed "WCW Lite" now.
from what I heard neither he, nor bischoff were awarded any booking power by Dixie Carter in all of this and Russo is still there as well.
Quote from: thanoson on October 27, 2009, 09:26:32 PM
Yep, puked a little in my mouth when I read this. Can you imagine AJ Styles or Samoa Joe having to job to the slowest leg drop in the world?
Hogan was entertaining in his prime, but unfortunately, that was probably before any of the current generation of wrestlers were even born.
I have recently become interested in wrestling again after watching Rourke in The Wrestler. Problem is, I stopped watching it around when Stone Cold Steve Austin left. I caught a episode of Raw and didn't recognize anyone. I was like who the hell are these guys? So what is the best way to be acclimated back into wrestling?
It looks like Umaga has passed away from a heart attack.
:( He was one of my favorites! Always so sad to hear such news when they are so young.
Quote from: captmorgan72 on October 28, 2009, 12:07:24 AM
I have recently become interested in wrestling again after watching Rourke in The Wrestler. Problem is, I stopped watching it around when Stone Cold Steve Austin left. I caught a episode of Raw and didn't recognize anyone. I was like who the hell are these guys? So what is the best way to be acclimated back into wrestling?
My advice to you is if you got interested in wrestling again after seeing "The Wrestler" then turn over to TNA which is on Thursday nights on Spike. Or better yet, watch Ring of Honor on HDnet. Ring of Honor was actually one of the promotions featured in The Wrestler. TNA recently acquired Nigel McGuiness and has him working under the name Desmond Wolfe. Nigel had a cameo in The Wrestler. :) Ok, there were a lot of cameos in The Wrestler by wrestlers who are of note.
TNA also has Kurt Angle, The Dudley Boys, Jeff Jarrett, Mick Foley, Kevin Nash, and some guy named Hulk Hogan is reported coming in. (Hulk Hogan recently became partners with TNA owner Dixie Carter.) TNA also has several younger talent worth watching: AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, The Motor City Machine Guns. They also have the better women's division than WWE... and I am not saying that because I am acquainted with 1/3 or so of their women's division. :P
Oh and TNA's booking is just as screwed up as WWE's so you won't be trading anything off there.
As for WWE...
I can understand not recognizing many of the names on RAW. The only people still vaguely recognizable on RAW from the Austin years are John Cena and Randy Orton (and both were just getting started toward the end of Austin's era), Mark Henry, Shawn Michaels, Big Show, and Triple H. There's a few others probably but those are your major names. Keep an eye out for Kori Kingston and Sheamus as both are getting huge pushes right now.
On Smackdown, you still have The Undertaker, Edge (who in on the injury list), Chris Jericho (who is on RAW too because he is one half of the unified tag champs with Big Show), Batista, Kane, Rey Mysterio (who dropped the Jr. from his name and is on the injury list), and Matt Hardy. You also have CM Punk and John Morrison there who both put on really good matches are a very entertaining promo when they are given the mic. The Hart Dynasty is also working on Smackdown. They are Tyson Kidd (the last graduate of The Hart Dungeon, aka my good friend TJ Wilson), David Hart Smith (son of The British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith, and another friend of mine) and Natalya Neidhart (daughter of Jim Neidhart, and yeah a friend of mine as well)
Gregory Helms (who is also known as The Hurricane), William Regal, Shelton Benjamin, and Christian are on ECW. ECW is basically being used to bring in new talent before moving them to RAW or Smackdown though.
Personally, I prefer TNA. This is despite having a few good friends working on both the Raw and Smackdown rosters. This is the bad part about having friends in both promotion.
Hulk Hogan is actually going to be Dixie Carter's boss. Her father is the actual owner, not her, and Hogan will only have to answer to him. Eric Bischoff is apparently also coming in along with Hogan, and Hogan will more or less be running things and probably not wrestling much. (He's in too bad a shape to wrestle on a regular basis) He's currently doing a tour of Australia with other wrestlers - including Ric Flair, who he IS wrestling against.
TNA has decent wrestling, but its currently being booked by Vince Russo, which should raise a red flag to any fans aware of how he ran WCW. Fortunately, this time he has stayed off camera. Their current champ is AJ Styles, which proves they're not totally stupid. Styles rocks. They also have one heck of a women's division - aside from Lacey Von Erich, who is more or less eye candy and an airhead (NOT a gimmick, sadly; she's legit dumb). (And yes, she's Kerry's daughter) If you follow the indies or followed WWE's old developmental fed Deep South Wrestling, they have Cheerleader Melissa (wrestling as Alissa Flash) and Shantelle Taylor (wrestling as Taylor Wilde) on their roster. And unlike the WWE, most of their female wrestlers actually ARE wrestlers. They also brought in Ayako Hamada recently, which is awesome.
The WWE will supposedly be dumping ECW sometime early next year, possibly replacing it with a show that actually only has younger talent. Sort of a step between developmental and the main shows.
RAW also has the Miz and Evan Bourne (previously known as Matt Sydal in the indies and Wrestling Society X). Evan Bourne is the closest thing to a luchadore RAW has, and uses a Shooting Star Press as his finisher. The Miz is still a heel, while over on Smackdown Morrison is a face. Miz sadly dropped his unique look for trunks so he now looks like most of the other wrestlers and has a new finisher with a lame name: the Skull Crushing Finale, which is the same move as Jeff Jarrett's Stroke, but executed better: a Forward Russian Leg Sweep. (I'm a fan of the Miz, but don't care for his new look)
Chris Jericho changed his gimmick a while back and is now completely serious, rather than a goofball. He also wears trunks instead of tights, and has a finisher called the Codebreaker, which is more or less a forward facing version of Carlito's Backstabber, so basically something like a facebuster onto the attacker's knees. He still uses the Walls of Jericho, but it never gets the job done any more.
So that Hogan stuff about him actually being in power is true? That makes me sad. I love Hogan and all but I really don't want to see TNA become WCW.
Hogan is only part owner of TNA along with Dixie Carter in her role as President of the Company. Dixie's father, Robert Carter, is the owner of Panda Energy which bought a majority of the TNA shares from The Jarrett family. However, Dixie runs TNA not Robert Carter. If you want to get really technical, a guy named Kevin Day is the CEO of TNA Entertainment which is the limited liability company created to manage TNA while, again, Dixie serves as President of the company.
The question I have out of all of this is rather Hogan's part ownership will be strictly to TNA as a promotion or the limited liability company TNA Entertainment.
Now having said that, I think the only serious risk of TNA turning into WCW comes from some of the same talent being being on the roster. And there is not that much. WCW had a parent company that gradually removed its support for them. By time Russo jumped to WCW, Time Warner had merged with Turner, sold off bits and pieces of Turner's properties back to him and then some. They had effectively quit supporting WCW as a company and pretty let the inmates run the asylum. I don't see that happening with TNA in the near future.
Additionally, I think Hogan has some added incentive to help with the development of "younger talent" given his assorted issues with Vince McMahon. Hogan has already mentioned that he is high on AJ Styles so that is a plus.
How can TNA ever become WCW, they don't have the kind of money Turner had to offer those silly up-one manship garanteed contracts that made too many big name stars become lazy as hell because their spots and big checks were not going anywhere, thus making the product boring as hell lol.
That's not gonna happen to TNA, now I'm not saying TNA's future is not in jeopardy though, they are going live against RAW on monday January 4th when Hogan makes his big TNA debut (yawn), so they either put up or shut up, I hope they don't flop miserably but I know I'm still gonna watch RAW that night and catch TNA Impact! online or something later (I'm canadian anyway so my rating don't matter, RAW is on The Score here and I don't have Spike in HD so there). Rumors has it that The Rock is guest hosting that first RAW of 2010 too, so if that's the case TNA won't do as good as they think for sure.
This is interesting time indeed though for wrestling fans, I just hope WWE wakes up and start being less predictable and I also hope Hogan and co can really make TNA better, because right now TNA is a real snooze fest, I've never fast fowarded so much stuff while watching Impact! than I've been doing recently.
R.I.P. Eki "Umaga" Fatu
Honestly I only ever watch TNA for Raven when he makes his appearences there but there was some radio intervier where Hogan wanted to bring in a few people like Knobs and Savage. The only name he mentioned that I would have been interested in was RVD. A side note I thought Savage and Hogan didn't get along so well recently when was that patched up enough for Hogan to want to bring him to TNA?
Hogan and Savage apparently made up but I'm not exactly sure when that happened. I think its a given that he'll be bringing Ed "Brutus Beefcake/nWo Disciple" Leslie and Brian Knobs with him. If I remember right, Jerry Saggs is in shape (he's definitely gotta be in better shape than Knobs from the pics I've seen recently) and on the Australian tour Hogan has been doing, so that could mean the return of the Nasty Boys. And I have to admit the Nasty Boys vs. Team 3D is a match I wouldn't mind seeing.
TNA going up against the WWE will bomb. TNA is practically WCW in every way except the two that matter most: money and popularity. If the Rock hosts RAW that night, Hogan showing up on Impact won't mean much. Especially since Impact is re-aired and RAW isn't.
I just don't see TNA ever being a serious threat to the WWE....unless Vince retires or dies and Stephanie and Triple-H run it into the ground.
What I'd like to see TNA do is not only use their connections with New Japan more, but also form an alliance with CMLL in Mexico (No way they could align with AAA because Konnan is running AAA and left TNA on bad terms). I'd love to see Yuji Nagata or Masa Chono wrestle in the U.S. again, and at one point it was rumored they might bring in Great Muta for a match but that never happened and I'd die if it actually did. (Muta is with All Japan, not New Japan, but still.....) And I want La Parka back on tv!
Unfortunately, one of my favorite Japanese promotions has folded. No more HUSTLE. :(
Quote from: GhostMachine on December 06, 2009, 09:00:28 AM
TNA going up against the WWE will bomb. TNA is practically WCW in every way except the two that matter most: money and popularity. If the Rock hosts RAW that night, Hogan showing up on Impact won't mean much. Especially since Impact is re-aired and RAW isn't.
I strongly disagree that TNA is WCW in every way. The only ways that TNA remotely resembles WCW is
a) that Russo is heading creative which he did for WCW and WWE.
b) they've utilized more than just their main event and upper mid-card guys.
TNA has done several things better than WCW was able to do (for a variety of reasons). Such as:
- Elevating new stars. TNA has done it. WCW tried it and failed with "The New Blood" angle and WWE is just now trying to elevate new talent in a serious manner. TNA has been a lot more open with that talent elevation as well. For every guy that WWE has elevated into the Main Event, TNA has elevated two into the upper midcard or Main Event picture. Despite everyone having a seemingly negative opinion of The Main Event Mafia on the internet, it served its purpose of elevating younger talent up the roster and even took a (much needed) swipe at the closed main event picture that both WCW and WWE are known to do.
- TNA is better at utilizing their whole roster. Yes, WCW often made an effort to utilize their roster. WWE makes a halfhearted effort periodically. TNA does it fairly consistently. Practically everyone on the TNA roster has been involved on some sort of angle. Even the guys that came in for a short stint then left.
- The Women's Division... WWE has never been able to do much with their women's division. The creative team doesn't seem allowed to do much with them. In short, the only time you are going to women in a feud in the WWE (especially recently) is relating to a title. (See Michelle McCool vs. Mickie James and Melina vs. Maryse). With TNA, you have at least five feuds involving the TNA Knockouts right now. Granted, a few of those feuds seem to overlap. And only one of them is currently for the title. (those feuds are ODB vs. Tara, Alyssa Flash vs. Traci Brooks, Hamada vs. Alyssa Flash (though this is not a "major feud", I don't think), Kong vs. Tara (might've been resolved), Hamada vs. Sarita and Tayor Wylde (I suspect Hamada will be getting a tag partner), The Beautiful People were finishing up a feud with Sarita and Wylde as well. Daffney is not feuding with anyone because she is recovering from a legit concussion. The Beautiful People probably won't be involved with any serious feuds until matters with certain talent are resolved. And there is another Knockout who is waiting to be medically cleared to return to the ring. (One who I want to see feud with Hamada BADLY!) TNA utilizes all of their women's division as often as they can and in actual wrestling matches.
As far as Hogan coming, I have mixed feelings. I love the idea of The Nasty Boys vs. Team 3D in a serious feud. Even better... BEER MONEY vs. The Nasty Boys. That's two feuds that would great if done right. Heck, even The Motor City Machine Guns would be interesting to see against The Nasty Boys due to the contrast in styles.
Brutus Beefcake? He'd be great to have come in and help put over some of the guys like Hernandez and Suicide and D'Angelo Dinero.
As for other guys that worked the Australian tour...
well there was Mr. Anderson (formerly Kennedy) but he is supposedly entertaining acting role more than wrestling jobs. Though, I think if Hogan made him an offer that he'd take it. There was also had a guy called The Black Pearl who would be interesting to see in TNA. Sean Morely could show up and that wouldn't be a bad thing. There are others, too. And then of course, you had the late Eddie "Umaga" Fatu. Oh, Rikishi, and Vampire Warrior of whom probably won't come back to TNA.
Nevertheless, TNA is not WCW. People say that to merely try to dismiss TNA or because they miss WCW. Granted, TNA is no Ring of Honor either though there were more along that line at one point.
"The New Blood" angle and "Millionaire's Club" reminded me of the Main Event Mafia deal as well. The reason one works and the other didnt is by the time WCW really attempted to elevate new people singlely other than Goldberg they jumped to WWE and at the same time when they tried the whole "New Blood" thing no one really cared about WCW. It was a sinking ship that Time Warner had already given up on. Basically the "Finger poke of Doom" and blabbing about Foley winning the title in the same night were the mortal wound for WCW and it basically bleed itself to death from then on.
I personally don't want the Nasty Boys or Ed "that's my bag of coke" Leslie on my screen. These guys are way out of their prime wrestling years. Just because you're best friends with somebody doesn't mean you get to ride everywhere with them. I want new, younger faces. We already have Kevin "Father Time" Nash, Scott "destroyer of the english language" Steiner, and the Great Albino Klingon Hulk Hogan in TNA.
My question is, what about Russo? KOKE KOGANS!!!! last appearance on Nitro wasn't the best send off for his new boss. What happens now?
Well it's official now (not just rumors)...
http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/special/allspecialguesthosts/brethartreturns
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Bret "The Hit Man" Hart is back in the WWE!!!!
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I'm so pumped for this, I've been excited ever since Dennis Miller mentioned Bret's name to Vince two weeks ago during RAW's Slammy Award show, then the internet rumors of an alledged WWE contract signed by Bret Hart (supposed to last up to Wrestlemania), then what's-his-face-baseball-player-guest-host asked Vince about those rumors last week and now tonight Vince cut a pretty nice promo with HBK involved (haha) and now it's official, Bret is guest hosting RAW next week, right against TNA live Impact Hulk Hogan's big return (yawns - lol).
The pink and black attack is back baby!
Yep, I'm much more excited about Brett's return than Hogan's. Though, I will be flipping between both.
hulks wrestling? i thought he could barely walk and lived off pain medicine? ive been a hulka-maniac since the 80's but come on...hang it up hulk. your rich!
No Way! Bret Hart? My all time fave!
Bret Hart returning will prove interesting. I loved Bret as a competitor, but he does not need to wrestle given his health. I'd love to see him come in some kind of management capacity whether as a GM or mouth piece for a group or guy who is an excellent wrestler but has no luck getting over (that is just my nostalgia for the likes of The Brain and the Grand Wizard)
I am concerned for the direction that Hogan will be taking TNA particularly with rumors of Hogan being viewed as the benevolent savior of the TNA. I am concerned that Jeff Jarrett is going to run out of the company he built on a rail because of Hogan and Bishoff. The last thing we need is the WCW type booking between Bishoff, Hogan, Nash (and possibly Hall). The old school glad handing I thought was the very reason Jarret worked so hard to make TNA unqiue. Which I think it is. It has sense of the old school over the top characters, but in this surreal alternate reality. WWE did too much in 90's to rumor the stigma of trying to bring the real world into wreslting, they have recovered from this by poking fun itself with the guest hosts on Raw and allowing for some more over the edge gimmicks I.e. the Return of the Hurricane, Jillian Hall, the mainstreaming of John Cena as basically the golden boy. (Alot of similarities in my opinion to the Cena/Orton feud and Superman/Lexs Luthor.) At most I am spot viewing fan keeping up occasionally, but I am excited to see these Icons return.
Aw man...
..."Dr Death" Steve Williams lost his fight with cancer. One of my all time favorites in the sport, he was ferocious.
RTT
I don't watch wrestling anymore, but I did until WCW was bought by WWE. I picked up the Hisotry of the WCW video a few months ago and it was an incredible story. I'd say any company that has Jarrett, Bischoff, Hogan, Nash, and Hall is doomed to failure because of ineptness, corruption, bad judgement, bad writing, bad booking, and bad wrestling.
Maybe they've learned from their mistakes?
Quote from: Xenolith on December 30, 2009, 09:14:57 PM
I don't watch wrestling anymore, but I did until WCW was bought by WWE. I picked up the Hisotry of the WCW video a few months ago and it was an incredible story. I'd say any company that has Jarrett, Bischoff, Hogan, Nash, and Hall is doomed to failure because of ineptness, corruption, bad judgement, bad writing, bad booking, and bad wrestling.
Maybe they've learned from their mistakes?
I've said this before and I will say this again. Don't judge everything that happened with WCW solely based on the "History of WCW" DVD or the reputation of any one person. For a while, several of those names you mentioned were behind the most success that WCW ever had. Starting with the NWO angle, the reinvention of Sting (and betting of his character in the long run), and several other successful and ingenious things that were done under the direction of Bischoff. What killed WCW primarily was the meddling of both Turner Sports and Time Warner. Especially toward the end. Granted there were things that were done by Hogan, Bischoff and Nash that definitely made the problems worse but they do not deserve the sole blame. All three men have a good mind and arguably great mind for the business side of the wrestling industry.
The problem is that much of Hogan's mind for the business stems from the mid to late 80s era of wrestling. If he can update his mode of thinking to what works now instead of what worked 20-25 years ago then TNA will benefit from Hogan being on the creative team. And that will be Hogan's primary role in the company: Head of Creative.
As for Bischoff, I can't think of anyone better to help Dixie Carter raise the bar in TNA and be seen as a legitimate alternative and even competition to WWE. He worked wonders turning WCW around and was even beating WWE in the ratings until Turner started messing with the product. Hall and Nash? Personally, I would love to see them team against Beer Money, The British Invasion, and Team 3-D. I'd rather see them team then Eric Young and Kevin Nash.
As for any of those guys being willing to elevate talent, the only guys working in the ring on any sort of regular basis will be Hall and Nash. Nash has done everything he could to elevate the talent he has worked with on any sort of serious program. See Eric Young, Abyss, and even Jay Lethal. All three of them immediately come to mind when thinking of guys that Kevin Nash has directly helped.
Now there is Jarrett. Jeff Jarrett was never in any sort of serious position of power in WCW. Did he have some "stroke" in WCW? Yes. However, he actually founded TNA along with his father. He has been the minority owner of TNA though for several years now. He has had more of a backstage role since his wife died. He has also not had any sort of major ownership in the company. Yes, he has been back in the ring recently. However, even that as been complicated by the whole Karen Angle situation. He will do what is right for the success and continued existence of the company he founded. If that includes letting Hogan take over the reigns of creative for a while then so be it.
Quote from: RTTingle on December 30, 2009, 08:27:17 PM
Aw man...
..."Dr Death" Steve Williams lost his fight with cancer. One of my all time favorites in the sport, he was ferocious.
RTT
Bummer. I still have a couple of fond memories of Dr. Death from his Varsity Club days.
Quote from: Marmeille on December 29, 2009, 06:47:52 AM
Well it's official now (not just rumors)...
http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/special/allspecialguesthosts/brethartreturns
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Bret "The Hit Man" Hart is back in the WWE!!!!
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
The pink and black attack is back baby!
I'll do you one better. Bret is not only back but
Spoiler
will be working with The Hart Dynasty. TJ and Harry are prepping for RAW in Ohio right now.
You are a glass half full person, Mr. Hamrick. :) I had my suspicions about WCW while those guys were running the show, and the DVD backed up my thoughts. You are right though, they did bring a lot to the table at the beginnnig, but man, they really messed stuff up. The AWA DVD was also very interesting.
If only Paul Heyman could get signed on. Between Russo, Bischoff and Heyman, I believe TNA would have the makings of a serious threat to WWE. The talent that TNA has and underutilizes is astounding. Their womens division is so much better than the strippers WWE pulls out of the clubs. Only Mickie James, Beth Phoenix and Natalya could stand up to the roster of TNA. I'd say Gail Kim as well, but her last outings on tv have been horrible. The guys that have a lot of talent on WWE but are too small for their image (WWE) are the Bournes, Kingstons and Yangs. These guys are great but will never get to shine and move up; with the exception of Kingston. SOmehow he lucked out and got the push. STill, the other guys need a break as well. Problem is, these guys are more suited to cruiserweight or tag team titles. The unified Tag belts is killing the opportunity for other teams to get a shot. And the lack of a cruiserweight title makes these normally tiny guys have to go through the Icopro infused genetic freaks that Vince loves so much. The guys they rarely win against. Yeah, I know, Rey Misterio won the title. He was probably treated worse as a champion than Jericho was when he was the undisputed champ. Rey lost every match as a champion. Jericho had to carry stephanies dog and walk it. This doesn't bode well for the Bournes of Raw. Give him a belt he can win.
Anyways, I'll be watching tonight.
Quote from: Xenolith on January 04, 2010, 08:51:07 PM
You are a glass half full person, Mr. Hamrick. :) I had my suspicions about WCW while those guys were running the show, and the DVD backed up my thoughts. You are right though, they did bring a lot to the table at the beginnnig, but man, they really messed stuff up. The AWA DVD was also very interesting.
The problem is that the DVD you are referring to is not an completely honest and accurate portrayal of everything that went on that led to the downfall of WCW. I wouldn't call myself a glass half full type of person. I am merely being honest. I have some various opinions of Scott Hall and Sean Waltman that mostly negative. However, I can see some benefit of a short term deal with TNA that would allow them to play off the history they have with Hogan. I don't see it being more than a short term deal. Especially with the assortment of issues with those two. Nash? He has been with TNA a while and has been somewhere between being a mostly good thing for the company and mostly harmless. I love the idea of Eric Bischoff being there because he knows the wrestling business. And I think Hogan and company are well aware of their reputation (especially in regards to their WCW antics) and are playing it up as evident by what happened on TNA last night.
TNA was really well put together last night other than a few minor flubs. Most of those flubs were most on the production truck in than anything that happened in the ring. (And may have been just my cable provider, I'm not sure.)
Oh, and just one last note. You know Bischoff's cousin, well second cousin, use to frequent these boards, right? She use to come on here as Lady_Angel100 back when we dated. LOL!
So, I found that when Bret Came out to open the show, I didn't give a rats arse what Hogan had to say. It was good to see the Hitman again, though he hasnt aged very well. He looks like he's still got a fight or two left in his well fit body, but he looks sad in the face. The HBK and him stuff worked really good. However, it was the closer that topped it off. I already knew that Vince was gonna sucker shot him, but for a 2nd there I almost believed that Bret was gonna get the closure right there. Till Vince stepped away. DOOOMMMM!!!!!! Should be an interesting program with those two. Vince will stack the cards in his favor month after month. Brett will eventually overcome and get his rub.
Over on TNA. Man, Vince had to be fuming over all the ingrates. Hardy, Flair, Mick, Val (don't say old names) Venis? I had a friend over who doesn't follow wrestling that much and I kept having to say, WWE made that person a star, and that one, and that one. Must have said it at least 15 times. Wow, you're in tight with Hogan and you are set for life. He got all of his boys jobs. SUprised Bootiesharkbarberzodiacdisciple wasnt there. Brian Knobbs looks horrible. And I just knew they were gonna fued with the Dudleys. sigh. Even Bubba the Sponge off of Hogan's sack got a job. Guess it pays to be loyal huh? It was nice comparing the 2 womens matches with the Maryse/ Bella match. One match was doing hair tosses, the other was doing top rope missile dropkick/Awesome Bombs. It's sad, as before the Diva contest, WWE had Victoria, Molly Holly, Jazz, Trish, Lita, Miss Jackie, and the RTC girl I cant remember at this time. They would have all given the Knockouts competition. Now, nothing. ANyways, I saw of old WCW gimmicks being used. Sting in the rafters, unknown assailents, and people trying to get in. meh.
wasnt Val Venis fired anyway? I dont see him as an ingrate but the others I can sort of see.
Yep. Val was released. Read spoilers for next week's IMPACT, and he's going to be going by his real name, Sean Morley. "Your Feature Presentation" Seam Morley, apparently. Sadly it looks like its going to be crap next week except for the Knockouts Tag Title match and Dinero vs. Joe. That, and Angelina Love's return is next week. Will be skipping it, even if I do love me some Hamada.
Oh, and the masked man who tried to interfere in the Styles-Angle match unmasks next week. Don't want to get anyone's hopes up, so I'll spoil it since his eventual return is already well known to be happening:
Spoiler
Its Tomko, and he attacks AJ Styles.
TNA has proven time and again that they can't do anything right; the Jeff Jarrett-Hulk Hogan segment, both were supposed to come off as faces, with Hogan pointing out that the younger talent hasn't been pushed properly, but the crowd was booing Hogan and cheering Jarrett. The end of the show with Foley being beaten up really screwed things up, if you ask me. But it looks like Bischoff is definitely a heel according to the spoilers for next week, and so are Nash, Hall and Waltman. (Who I jokingly call `the nWnoHogan') So I guess plans changed, or they royally screwed things up.
the situation between Hogan and Jarrett couldn't have been been predicted, though. The plan was for Hogan to out babyface Jarrett. Hogan was shocked that it didn't work as were several others.
I think what that boils down to though is a loyalty to Jarrett by the longtime TNA fans. Just like many Hogan fans feel he can do know wrong.
And just like many critics of TNA feel that they can do no right.
Personally, I thought TNA's Monday broadcast came off rather well. I know several friends in the business who agree with that. Even though it was not perfect, it was much better than expected by many in the business.
All in all I do hope they can compete. I want to see them both raise their game a little.
Not sure if I was implied in that Critics of the TNA thing. I loved TNA in the beginning. Used to get the PPVs every week. Had friends over and everything. I miss the SAT's, the Flying Elvis's, Shamrock and The Truth. XXX was the team for me. Jerry Lynn vs AJ vs LOW Ki ladder match was probably the best thing I ever saw next to AJ, Joe and "the Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels threeway. Hated the Dupps though. Could have gone without that. I appreciated everything the new fed could have done. Even when Russo 1st came over. Then the ECW rejects started showing up, then the WCW oldtimers then WWE recent releases. I liked it better before the big names came. It was raw, it was fresh and you didn't have to be a roided up oldtimer to get the belt. You just had to do your thing. This is what I want back. Not Hogan, or Father Time Kevin Nash, or the Nasty Boys who's prime was over 20 years ago.
Mr. Hamrick, do any of your friends in the business work (or have worked at one time) for TNA?
Most fans I know thought the show was horrible, and I'm inclined to agree. I don't know about you, when I see a 3 hour wrestling show being advertised, I expect more actual wrestling than in a 2 hour show, not less. The cage match was so bad even the fans there were crapping all over it (how does a cage match end in a DQ?!) and they spent too much time introducing new talent. Kind of hard to believe Hogan when he talks about the younger guys finally being pushed and a bunch of has-beens (Nasty Boys), never weres (Orlando Jordan) and WWE castoffs (everyone else except Jeff Hardy) show up. Would have been much better off spending that time on more matches and bringing in Orlando Jordan, Sean Morley and all the others in gradually over the next few shows instead of all at once.
IMPACT looked too much like WCW at its pre-Russo worst, and I'm not just talking about because of Bischoff and the nWo being there.
I'm betting the reason Jeff Hardy is in TNA is either because he needs to make money for his legal defense, or TNA's drug testing is a LOT more lax than the WWE's.
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on January 04, 2010, 07:02:42 PM
I'll do you one better. Bret is not only back but
Spoiler
will be working with The Hart Dynasty. TJ and Harry are prepping for RAW in Ohio right now.
Who are those two you mention? I've been out of the loop since WWE bought WCW.
The people in the spoiler working with Bret is a no brainer, so there's no point in keeping them spoilered:
TJ = TJ Wilson, aka the Stampede Kid, aka Tyson Kidd. Harry = DH Smith, aka the British Bulldog's son. Along with Jim Neidhart's daughter Natalya (aka Nattie), they're a next generation stable called the Hart Dynasty (just glad they didn't name them the New Hart Foundation or Hart Foundation 2.0) and are currently heels, but if they're going to end up working with Bret, I guess they'll be turning face.
I hope Bret doesn't wrestle. He looked like he was in worse shape than Ric Flair. He was very slow..... Hulk Hogan moves faster. For the sake of his health I hope he doesn't intend to wrestle again.
However, the former wrestler I met here in China said he would like to die in the ring.
Quote from: thalaw2 on January 07, 2010, 01:06:54 PM
I hope Bret doesn't wrestle. He looked like he was in worse shape than Ric Flair. He was very slow..... Hulk Hogan moves faster. For the sake of his health I hope he doesn't intend to wrestle again.
However, the former wrestler I met here in China said he would like to die in the ring.
Bret will likely never wrestle again. Multiple concussions and a stroke have seen to that. Its being speculated that if he ever does have a match it will be something low impact or will involve interference. I'm thinking the Hart Dynasty will turn face (at least for the feud) and help Bret, with them attacking McMahon and Bret locking in the Sharpshooter.
I think the most "wrestling" Bret would do is a streetfight of sort against Vince McMahon that probably would not last too long or take too much effort for 2 "old guys" that train regularly at the gym and with WWE being PG and all Bret wont even have to bleed, but no matter what they do I fully expect Bret to put Vince in a sharpshooter at some point, that's like inevitable in my opinion.
I'm totally about to order a Bret Hart t-shirt from wweshop.com btw :cool: it looks so awesome.
As for the Hart Dynasty, with their current tagline/slogan "Better Than The Best... Period!" I would not be surprised if they side with Vince in all this.
Regarding TNA, the special 3 hours live Impact! was kinda disapointing, too much backstage nonsense that didn't belong on this special night, too many random ex-superstars showing up, way too many and way too looong commercial breaks and TNA seriously need to hire new cameramen and switcher/editor if they want to go live again because the camera work really sucked half the time. I'm glad we got an awesome main event between Styles and Angle, but the problem with giving a PPV quality match like that on Impact! is that you just cant follow that up the following week, it was a special occasion though so I'm happy we got to see it.
I know it's bad....but CM Punk is awesome as a heel! I didn't like him before. He's so good at what he does now!
That is an old gimmick that he has perfected over the years.
Quote from: GhostMachine on January 07, 2010, 04:30:58 AM
Mr. Hamrick, do any of your friends in the business work (or have worked at one time) for TNA?
Yes, some people I am well acquainted with do work for TNA. I say acquaintances because they are people I have met but don't really talk with. That would be Christopher Daniels and AJ Styles. AJ Styles and I went to rival high schools and know each other because of mutual friends. I don't talk to AJ much anymore, though. I met Christopher through AJ along with several other guys who passed through NWA Wildside (which is now NWA Anarchy). I know Consequences Creed but we are not that friendly with one another. This stems from a certain worker talking smack about me at DragonCon because he didn't believe that I work in the film and video business and Creed believing him. I am also acquainted with Traci Brooks and Christy Hemme because of former TNA Knockout Gail Kim. I met Gail at DragonCon and she introduced me to them the following year when she returned. I am acquainted with a few other TNA people as well (there were three guys I know who were working security for them as part of a "tryout thing" a few months back and they might still be) Also acquainted with a few of the current and former Knockouts. (Speaking of Knockouts, I wonder what Alissa Flash and Awesome Kong's status are going to be now that Hogan and Bischoff are running the show.) Oh and Mickie Knuckles worked for TNA briefly under the name Moose. She is a good friend who probably could use a few prayers her way as her leg still hasn't healed up 100% from when she injured it.
However, GhostMachine, the friends in question that I was referring to do not and have never worked for TNA. As for who I was implying on the "critics of TNA" thing, I was not referring to anyone in particular but to internet fans as a whole. The point that was made to me about (and I agreed with it) is that that three hour broadcast, for all the good, bad and ugly that it had, made it seem like that the Monday Night Wars could be back and the bar could raised for both organizations. One guy mentioned that what the two put out there that night had him switching back and forth which he didn't expect.
What I will say about the whole thing is that as bad as elements of that broadcast was (Orlando Jones, various people being laid out, and a few others) that RAW was WORSE! And I am saying that about a RAW broadcast in which one of my all time favorite wrestlers was hosting it. I was left not caring about the Shawn and Bret showdown nor about the Vince and Bret showdown. I love that Bret is going to work a program that might help TJ, Nattie and Harry get over but he sucked as a guest host.
Quote from: thalaw2 on January 24, 2010, 03:54:00 AM
I know it's bad....but CM Punk is awesome as a heel! I didn't like him before. He's so good at what he does now!
CM Punk has always been a better heel than face. And he prefers being a heel from what I understand. A lot of his heel attitude is not too far off from how he really is from what I understand also.
Alissa Flash and Awesome Kong have both quit TNA. Alissa Flash is gone, but Kong's status is up in the air. She's asked to be released but hasn't yet, but is clearly fed up with TNA. The incident with Bubba the Love Sponge was more or less the last straw, and she decided to leave after that.
Hopefully Mickie Knuckles will be back in TNA when her leg does heal. I didn't see the match where she got injured, but I read about it after it happened and from that and some comments I've read online from people who witnessed it, it seemed almost Sid Vicious off the top rope bad.
Also feel sorry for Roxxi. Here TNA brings her back, and she's not even been back long before she ended up with a broken ankle. Yikes!
I honestly think TNA is going to go down the toilet with Hogan and Bischoff running it. Its already seeming like WCW 2010....and I don't mean the good WCW. They've already lost two of their best knockouts and have Orlando Jordan (who sucks bigtime) and the Nasty Boys (who last wrestled as a tag team 13 years ago!) winning matches. Plus Bubba the Love Sponge is a piece of no-talent slime who adds nothing good to the show and apparently has a lot of heat with people backstage already, and the "Orlando Screwjob" was plain dumb. Don't even get me started on how much I hate the fact they turned AJ Styles heel.....
And they couldn't come up with a better name for Hall, Nash and Waltman than "The Band"?! I wonder if they bothered to call up Levon Helm or Robbie Robertson for permission?
Quote from: GhostMachine on January 24, 2010, 02:10:12 PM
Alissa Flash and Awesome Kong have both quit TNA. Alissa Flash is gone, but Kong's status is up in the air. She's asked to be released but hasn't yet, but is clearly fed up with TNA. The incident with Bubba the Love Sponge was more or less the last straw, and she decided to leave after that.
Hopefully Mickie Knuckles will be back in TNA when her leg does heal. I didn't see the match where she got injured, but I read about it after it happened and from that and some comments I've read online from people who witnessed it, it seemed almost Sid Vicious off the top rope bad.
Also feel sorry for Roxxi. Here TNA brings her back, and she's not even been back long before she ended up with a broken ankle. Yikes!
I honestly think TNA is going to go down the toilet with Hogan and Bischoff running it. Its already seeming like WCW 2010....and I don't mean the good WCW. They've already lost two of their best knockouts and have Orlando Jordan (who sucks bigtime) and the Nasty Boys (who last wrestled as a tag team 13 years ago!) winning matches. Plus Bubba the Love Sponge is a piece of no-talent slime who adds nothing good to the show and apparently has a lot of heat with people backstage already, and the "Orlando Screwjob" was plain dumb. Don't even get me started on how much I hate the fact they turned AJ Styles heel.....
And they couldn't come up with a better name for Hall, Nash and Waltman than "The Band"?! I wonder if they bothered to call up Levon Helm or Robbie Robertson for permission?
Honestly, Melissa (Alissa Flash) was getting the short end of the deal long before Bischoff and Hogan got in there. I doubt Roxxi will be back from her injury either. And Kong should split as well. Personally, the biggest issue that I have with Bischoff and Hogan taking over TNA is that I figured they'd kill the Knockout Division. So far, I am being proven right. For whatever reason, Bischoff and Hogan are killing the division that has brought TNA some of its best ratings. Those ratings were not brought because of the "Knockouts" being eye candy but because they were actually wrestling.
As for Mickie's injury, don't get me started. The whole story is not out there just the initial footage of the match where her leg broke. A lot as gone down since then. I am not going into all of it out of respect for her privacy.
And Ghost Machine, I am not optimistic about TNA's future with Bischoff and Hogan running it. Though, I think our opinion on what was "good WCW" might vary. I do think in the end that The Nasty Boys will be used to put over Beer Money and Team 3D. I don't mind them building up either of those matches either. Remember this, in order to build up "stars" that can cross over into the mainstream or to the casual wrestling fan, they need to get over against guys who are recognized by at least the casual wrestling fan if not recognized to some extent in the mainstream. I understand what Hogan is trying to do, I just don't know if he really knows the best way to accomplish what he is trying to do.
As for the "Orlando screwjob", I thought it was a great jab at the whole Bret and Vince thing but might have been too soon.
AJ as a heel? I have probably seen more of AJ's career than most. I think he will benefit from learning from Flair as a heel and will likely turn out to be quite a good one due to Flair's tutelage of him.
Regarding Alissa Flash and Awesome Kong, I'm betting Kong ends up going back to Japan. I think she'd be awesome (pardon the pun) in the WWE if they brought her in and used her as an unstoppable monster (I think they could bring her in as part of the current stupid Mickie James `fatty' angle, as a mystery tag partner for Mickie. Kong vs. Beth Phoenix, anyone?), but eventually they'd mess that up and turn her into a freak or something. Alissa Flash I'm not so sure about, though. I honestly think the WWE would waste her talent, and the thought of her being pinned by Michelle McCool or Kelly Kelly makes me ill. (Is Shimmer still around?)
Honestly, I've just about given up on TNA ever being a viable threat to the WWE or anything more than a WCW wannabe, because if they haven't wisened up now, I don't think they're ever going to - at least not as long as Jerry Jarrett and Dixie Carter have anything to do with it. TNA does generally have better wrestling, but they make up with that with stupid angles, match stipulations that sometimes don't make sense and even get ignored, and people who suck being pushed. The fact they let Jim Cornette go instead of pushing Vince Russo out the door should tell you something right there!
The one thing with Hogan and Bischoff I don't buy is the younger and homegrown talent being pushed. They may be for a while, but eventually its going to end up being WCW all over again, where Bischoff and Hogan's friends get pushed over the talent that actually deserves it.
The Knockouts division being killed is something I expected as soon as I heard Bischoff would be involved, because its clear from the lack of it much in WCW and things he said in the WWE that he doesn't care about women's wrestling. Huge mistake, due to the fact the Knockouts segments generally get the highest ratings. And I'd rather watch women who can actually wrestle over eye candy. TNA usually has the good sense to keep the women who can't wrestle out of the ring, unlike the WWE, which does put women who have no business being in the ring in matches every once in a while. I'd much rather watch Hamada headbutt the snot out of people than watch some bimbo pull someone's hair and throw fake punches.
As for the wrestlers that have been brought in:
1. Ken Anderson. Decent wrestler, but he needs to prove he's not injury prone before they give him any sort of decent push.
2. Orlando Jordan. Him beating D'Angelo Dinero is so wrong. He should be a jobber, because he's not that great in the ring OR on the mic and is mainly known for three things: 1. Being one of JBL's flunkies. 2. Being Chris Benoit's personal jobber. 3. Having a hairstyle that made him look like Buckwheat from the Little Rascals at one time.
3. Sean Morley. A waste of talent. Its a crime that the WWE eventually turned him into enhancement talent, and frankly I think the Val Venis gimmick - which he is sadly still using, just without the name - is what held him back from being pushed. Really wish he hadn't gone back to it after he was fired as Bischoff's Chief of Staff.
3. The Nasty Boys. They hadn't had a match on tv as a team in 13 years until they showed up in TNA. So why should anyone but older fans who actually remember them as a team care about them? The Nasty Boys vs. Team 3D would have been a dream feud about 15 years ago, and I have to admit Saggs looks like he's in the best shape I've ever seen him in, but Knobbs looks like a heart attack waiting to happen.
4-5. Scott Hall and Shawn Waltman. I give it three months - at most - before something happens with Hall and he's out of TNA again. Waltman I don't care about, and a Hall-Nash-Waltman stable is a bad idea, even if they had come up with a good name for them. Waltman might make a good addition to the X-division....if Hogan and Bischoff don't decide to kill that off, too....
Pardon me if I forgot anyone, and I'm waiting with dread for Ed Leslie (Brutus Beefcake/nWo Disciple) to eventually come in.
Oh, and as for AJ Styles, I don't like the fact he's gone heel again because TNA has too many top level heels at the moment and I don't think AJ has had any title runs in TNA where he either wasn't a heel when he won the belt or didn't turn while holding it. I was hoping this would be the title run he did completely as a face.
It looks like the WWE is going to be ditching Survivor Series and replacing it with something else. Good news is, they may let fans vote on what type of gimmick replaces it. And one of the choices may be what I thought they should have replaced it with right after the WWE acquired WCW....
WAR GAMES!
:thumbup: :wub: :thumbup:
Just read online that Chris Kanyon was found dead in his apartment at the age of 40 of suicide from an overdose of pills :( I always liked him in WCW as Mortius he had some innovative moves for the time .
As superhero fans I figured you dude would enjoy some flying people in colorful costumes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3NqmZ33ttY&feature=related
(very long and it gets repetitive but there is a OMG moment often enough to keep you watching).
i find it kinda sad, that your current champs are cena and swagger. that just doesn't sound right
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on April 07, 2010, 07:32:06 PM
i find it kinda sad, that your current champs are cena and swagger. that just doesn't sound right
I don't.
With Swagger, you have a young guy who has ability and some degree of charisma. His biggest issues are his gimmick (or character) which they still seem to be working on and his lack of proof that he has any sort of clue about ring psychology. Despite that, he is exactly what the WWE needs: an investment in the future of the company. The same thing that Cena was five years ago or so. He won't have the title for long but he will have future (and better) title reigns.
With Cena, you have a guy who CAN work, when he is allowed to, and does understand ring psychology. He is also the "current face" of the company. The same thing that Bret Hart, HHH, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, and Hulk Hogan have been for the company over the years. Having Cena in the role of "champ" or "pursuing the title" is exactly where they NEED him at the moment. And with the only legitimate guys in the main event picture on Raw are Batista, HHH, Orton, and... um, yeah. You see my point. (I don't consider Big Show in that group anymore and The Miz isn't there yet.)
The WWE needs to develop guys like Sheamus, Ziggler, Swagger and McIntyre. And to their credit, they are trying.
Except for McIntyre, I agree with you. I see nothing from Drew McIntyre that gives me even an inkling of why Vince McMahon is so high on him.
The big problem I have is them trying to push wrestlers by putting titles on them with no real build up. Sheamus went from beating up wrestlers no one cared about to getting a title shot by winning a battle royal that a lot of people were hoping Kofi would win, then winning the title by fluke during a gimmick match. Even worse, he lost the title in a multi-man gimmick match and never had any really good title defenses (his defense vs Orton ended in a DQ due to Rhodes interfering). I like Sheamus, but that and the fact his bicycle kick (let them call it a pump kick if they want; its still just a frickin' bicycle kick) is sold like death I have a problem with.
Swagger had been on a big losing streak until a bit before Wrestlemania, and he's apparently changed his gimmick and is trying to be more serious instead of the cocky jerk since he won the title. I won't miss his stupid `ape dance' taunt, but if he's going to be all serious now, I'd rather he not won the title.
Besides, I have a feeling Swagger won't have a long title reign, anyway. But I don't think it'll be Jericho or Edge who takes it from him. (Any bets on Orton going to Smackdown during the draft, which is on the 26th?)
As for the draft, I'd like to see:
John Morrison to RAW. A Miz vs. Morrison feud for the U.S. title would be AWESOME!!
Hart Dynasty to RAW.
Undertaker to RAW (though there's no way that happens).
Christian to Smackdown. Putting him on RAW was a mistake in the first place, and how he's been used since proves it.
Jillian Hall to Smackdown.
Cody Rhodes to Smackdown. Its about time to split up Legacy for good, and it would be best if one of them switches brands.
I DON'T want to see:
Drew McIntyre or Michelle McCool to RAW. Bad enough they're being pushed on Smackdown.....
Gail Kim or Maryse to Smackdown.
Vickie Guerrero to RAW. That alone would be enough for me to quit watching RAW.
Edge to RAW, unless he's a face. I'm sick to death of Edge as a heel.
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 07, 2010, 08:42:25 PM
Except for McIntyre, I agree with you. I see nothing from Drew McIntyre that gives me even an inkling of why Vince McMahon is so high on him.
The big problem I have is them trying to push wrestlers by putting titles on them with no real build up. Sheamus went from beating up wrestlers no one cared about to getting a title shot by winning a battle royal that a lot of people were hoping Kofi would win, then winning the title by fluke during a gimmick match. Even worse, he lost the title in a multi-man gimmick match and never had any really good title defenses (his defense vs Orton ended in a DQ due to Rhodes interfering). I like Sheamus, but that and the fact his bicycle kick (let them call it a pump kick if they want; its still just a frickin' bicycle kick) is sold like death I have a problem with.
Swagger had been on a big losing streak until a bit before Wrestlemania, and he's apparently changed his gimmick and is trying to be more serious instead of the cocky jerk since he won the title. I won't miss his stupid `ape dance' taunt, but if he's going to be all serious now, I'd rather he not won the title.
Besides, I have a feeling Swagger won't have a long title reign, anyway. But I don't think it'll be Jericho or Edge who takes it from him. (Any bets on Orton going to Smackdown during the draft, which is on the 26th?)
As for the draft, I'd like to see:
John Morrison to RAW. A Miz vs. Morrison feud for the U.S. title would be AWESOME!!
Hart Dynasty to RAW.
Undertaker to RAW (though there's no way that happens).
Christian to Smackdown. Putting him on RAW was a mistake in the first place, and how he's been used since proves it.
Jillian Hall to Smackdown.
Cody Rhodes to Smackdown. Its about time to split up Legacy for good, and it would be best if one of them switches brands.
I DON'T want to see:
Drew McIntyre or Michelle McCool to RAW. Bad enough they're being pushed on Smackdown.....
Gail Kim or Maryse to Smackdown.
Vickie Guerrero to RAW. That alone would be enough for me to quit watching RAW.
Edge to RAW, unless he's a face. I'm sick to death of Edge as a heel.
I'm saying I see anything in McIntyre. While he is not bad in the ring, and be honest there are worse, there is something lacking about him. Personality, maybe? I think it's one of those "European approach" vs. "US approach" to the idea of "characters" and "gimmicks" in pro-wrestling. And the "gimmick" they have given him is just not suited to his persona.
As for Sheamus, he is a work in progress. I think the reason he got the title was for the "shock value". He will continue to get better and his next reign will likely result in better feuds for the title.
Swagger? I think the whole reason they put the title on him amounts to two reasons. 1) Jericho is legit hurt. He is not out with an injury but he is hurt. However, there is the risk of injury and neither the WWE nor Jericho want him on the shelf. Jack took the title on a contingency plan. Edge will take the title from Swagger at Extreme Rules and there will be a set-up for the Money in the Bank PPV. Having said that, Swagger will gain exposure from the short reign and be given a new direction potentially for his character.
The Draft could go a few ways.
With The Untertaker taking time off (again), Khali taking time off, HBK gone, Jericho nearly on the injured list, and Kane pretty much a joke as a contender, I think you will absolutely some shake-ups with the "main event" and "upper mid-card" levels. Basically, the WWE is trying to build a certain group of stars and this would help them do it. Unless McIntyre loses the Intercontinental Title at Extreme Rules then he will stay on Smackdown. Same with The Miz staying on Raw. They will focus the draft around the guys they are pushing and the guys who are already at the top and it will say a lot about the direction of the next year worth of programming for the WWE.
The other route would be trading the guys that really are not doing much on their current shows in hopes they will find a way to push them on the other show. See "Shad Gaspar", "The Hart Dynasty" and my favorite "Matt Hardy". Basically, you have guys are really being used on their respective shows at the moment or who have just broken out of a team and are ready to be pushed. Another thing about trading Shad is that you won't have to waste him in a feud with JTG. I suspect that JTG might not be around the WWE for much longer anyways.
There is a good chance that The Hart Dynasty will be moved to RAW either way for one simple reason: Bret. Couple that with a feud with The Big Slow and The Miz and it could get interesting.
JTG is a pretty darn good wrestler...I would hate to see him go, but heck....Cryme Tyme was always getting the short end anyway.
Quote from: thalaw2 on April 08, 2010, 10:38:57 AM
JTG is a pretty darn good wrestler...I would hate to see him go, but heck....Cryme Tyme was always getting the short end anyway.
but given Shad's size, he will probably wind up being pushed more. Sad to that but that's Vince's thing. I dread the day they break up The Hart Dynasty
The situation with Shad is a bit screwy, because I remember hearing about a year or so ago that he was in the doghouse (due to his ring work) and they were considering firing Cryme Tyme again because of it.
JTG is definitely the better wrestler, but sadly the WWE is all about looks and size, not talent.
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 08, 2010, 01:32:27 PM
The situation with Shad is a bit screwy, because I remember hearing about a year or so ago that he was in the doghouse (due to his ring work) and they were considering firing Cryme Tyme again because of it.
JTG is definitely the better wrestler, but sadly the WWE is all about looks and size, not talent.
The thing with JTG is that he's not a "small guy", he just looks it next to Shad. JTG is 6'1" to Shad's 6'7".
The problem is that I don't think JTG will be pushed as a singles guy. I hope I am wrong. But given WWE creative, they probably don't know what to do with JTG as a singles and thus will release him. If they can find a way to tweak his "gimmick" or a new direction for his character then he will definitely be around for a while longer.
However, look at "Jesse" aka "Slam Master J" aka Ray Gordy. He is pretty much saddled with an awful gimmick and jobbed. Same with Jimmy Yang. And both of those guys can work.
You know what they could do? Have JTG, R-Truth and Slam Master J form a stable or loose alliance (ie, more or less a stable, just with no name), with it being a bit comedic, as JTG and R-Truth try to deal with Slam Master J's gimmick and try to change him without insulting or upsetting him.
I honestly haven't seen enough of Slam Master J to judge, as all I've seen are a couple of matches in Deep South Wrestling when it aired on tv and one on Smackdown (he jobbed, but I don't even remember who to!), since I don't watch Smackdown much. Never saw him wrestle at all when he was teaming with Luke Gallows as Jesse and Festus, except for a match when they appeared on RAW, and that was a 6 man tag where he didn't do much.
Jimmy Yang being used as a jobber is a crime. I was a huge fan when he was in WCW, both as a member of the Yung Dragons AND as a solo wrestler. He's got a lot of talent, but I guess they don't like pushing Asians much. I can't wait for Yoshi Tatsu, one of my favorite wrestlers, to end up being Funaki 2010....
Yung Dragons was a stable in WCW made up of Jimmy Yang, Jamie Noble under a mask pretending to be Asian, and Kaz Hayashi, managed by Leia Meow, who was known as Kimona Wanalaya in ECW. And what the WWE did to Jamie Noble was a crime, too. But his gimmick did more or less scream `jobber' or `comedy character', anyway.
Yang and "Slam Master J" aka Ray Gordy (the son of Terry "Bam Bam" Gordy) were both in NWA Wildside briefly. I got to see Ray (and met him actually) and he was better in the ring than what is getting shown now.
Biggest thing that bothers me about it is that you have a guy who is a second generation star who could've fit well in the mix with Legacy but was overlooked.
I wish they had had enough second generation stars to form a face stable to oppose Legacy. That would have been interesting.
According to F4WOnline, they may be giving Ted DiBiase Jr a new stable, but it may just be conjecture because of the "fortunate son" line he used on RAW. His brother Brett and Joe Hennig (Mr. Perfect's son) have been teaming in Florida as a tag team called "The Fortunate Sons", so its possible they may make those three into a new stable.
Batista may not be around much longer. His contract runs another year or so, and he's hinted in interviews that he doesn't want to stick around too long like some other wrestlers have done.
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 09, 2010, 08:51:36 PM
I wish they had had enough second generation stars to form a face stable to oppose Legacy. That would have been interesting.
According to F4WOnline, they may be giving Ted DiBiase Jr a new stable, but it may just be conjecture because of the "fortunate son" line he used on RAW. His brother Brett and Joe Hennig (Mr. Perfect's son) have been teaming in Florida as a tag team called "The Fortunate Sons", so its possible they may make those three into a new stable.
Batista may not be around much longer. His contract runs another year or so, and he's hinted in interviews that he doesn't want to stick around too long like some other wrestlers have done.
"Fortunate Sons"? could be interesting. It could be a tease for the team to debut and "Legacy" continue. Who knows. I am not really sure that Dibiase NEEDS another stable though right now.
And I hope Batista leaves. I really can't stand him.
CM Punk = Brutis Beefcake 2010 ?
Quote from: Night Dragon on April 10, 2010, 01:27:47 AM
CM Punk = Brutis Beefcake 2010 ?
No, not hardly. Punk has talent and charisma on his side. :D
The whole "Punk cutting hair thing" is suppose to play in with his current gimmick of being the leader of The Straight Edge Society, which is being portrayed as a cult like thing. The idea being that the hair cutting is "like a cleansing or shedding of one's past transgressions".
I like CM Punk a lot more in the Straight Edge Society gimmick. IMO he was lame as a face.
I never thought i would see the day Shawn Michaels retired. At least he got to do it in style and with reasonably good health (from the outside). I guess the Undertaker will retire in a couple of years too...
Ed Leslie, aka Brutus Beefcake and several other names I'd rather not remember because they all stunk, pretty much owes his wrestling career to the fact he's friends with Hulk Hogan. In fact, I'm surprised he hasn't popped up in TNA already! I won't say he's completely talentless, though, because he was decent in multi-man and short (ie, minutes or less) matches, but he's not someone who should have been pushed in any way. Couldn't believe they actually put him in one of the Smackdown vs. RAW games as a Legend; they might as well have added Virgil!
CM Punk made his name in the indies before the WWE signed him - most notably in Ring of Honor. I haven't seen much of his pre-WWE ring work, but he cut some really good promos. And the current Straight Edge Society gimmick he's doing is more or less a rehash of something he did in RoH, just with more religious undertones added.
Punk had his moments as a face, but he's miles better as a heel. He was better as a face in ECWWE than he was as a face on RAW.
My only real gripe with Punk himself (I hate how he was used after he won the title after cashing in the MITB case, but that's the WWE's fault, not his) is that in the WWE he's used finishers taken from Japanese wrestlers without even bothering to change their names! The Anaconda Vice was used by Hiroyoshi Tenzan (who made some appearances in WCW). The GTS, aka Go 2 Sleep, by KENTA.
(Couldn't use his pre-WWE finisher, because it was a Pedigree off the top rope, and would've had to have been renamed even if Triple-H wasn't around and he could have used it. Because it was called `The Pepsi Plunge')
What's with all the Beefcake hate? haha! When i was young I thought he was cool. I haven't seen any of his work since his face injury (or whatever) more than a decade ago. I thought it was pretty funny that he would go out and cut up hair after the sleeper...and wasn't he in the Hulk Hogan cartoon? That's certainly worth of legendary status. WWE is all about being ridiculous.
Ahh.... Ed "That's my coke not anthrax" Leslie. He's horrible. I too am suprised he's not in TNA. Oh, thank god the Nasties are gone from there. Every time Knobbs came to the ring I got winded.
I would love to see Croft and Beretta...gone! They have good moves, but the gimmick sucks! And they really have no chance of being all the great in as a tag team against a well put to gether team......they aint the Rockers!
CM Punk is one of those guys who is okay at best as a face. As a heel, he is golden. Some guys in the business are that way, I've noticed. They can do face or heel but not both. Punk is a bit of a jerk in real life from what I have seen and heard so being a heel in the ring is not a big stretch for him.
As for Croft and Baretta, if there were more decent teams in the WWE, I wouldn't mind them staying around as a jobber tag team.
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on April 10, 2010, 04:30:22 PM
CM Punk is one of those guys who is okay at best as a face. As a heel, he is golden. Some guys in the business are that way, I've noticed. They can do face or heel but not both. Punk is a bit of a jerk in real life from what I have seen and heard so being a heel in the ring is not a big stretch for him.
Yeah. A friend of mine saw him at a diner after an event he went to say hi and he said something really rude and blew him off. I've rarely heard of any wrestler, no matter how horrible of a person they are in the ring (which I love), who is really not appreciative of their fan base (though this friend wasn't really a fan. Likely because CM is just ten kinds of lame).
You know who should never, eh-eh-eh-EVER (yes, I'm channelling old school Chris Jericho) turn face again?
Randy Orton. He was absolutely boring last time he was a face and his microphone delivery style just screams `jerk'. Plus, he looks like one.
Croft and Baretta beng around just points out what's wrong with the WWE; they don't have enough pure tag teams, and now with Cryme Tyme apparently being split up, there's one less. I can't even remember the last pure tag team to hold the tag titles, unified or otherwise, unless you count DX.
Quote from: BWPS on April 10, 2010, 04:44:37 PM
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on April 10, 2010, 04:30:22 PM
CM Punk is one of those guys who is okay at best as a face. As a heel, he is golden. Some guys in the business are that way, I've noticed. They can do face or heel but not both. Punk is a bit of a jerk in real life from what I have seen and heard so being a heel in the ring is not a big stretch for him.
Yeah. A friend of mine saw him at a diner after an event he went to say hi and he said something really rude and blew him off. I've rarely heard of any wrestler, no matter how horrible of a person they are in the ring (which I love), who is really not appreciative of their fan base (though this friend wasn't really a fan. Likely because CM is just ten kinds of lame).
Well, in Punk's defense, though not much... even the nicest guys are prone to being a bit prickly when approached while they are eating. Especially when it's an after match meal. Punk's problem is that he is a hypocrite about a few things and that hypocrisy shows through in the way he deals with most fans. As for his fan base, about half of his "fan base" are smarks (or smart marks) or think they are smarter to the business than they really are. And those fans tend to annoy a lot of the boys (and the girls on the indy scene) anyways.
As for Orton, I think his current "face run" has some promise. The biggest reason is that he really hasn't "turned face" but has been put in a situation where he is being cheered for against people the fans dislike more. It's the same situation that turned The Freebirds face in the 80s. I'm willing to give that sort of thing a chance. I'll go as far as to say its the kind of face turn I enjoy out of heel the most.
Tag Team wrestling has not been taken seriously in the WWE in years. I thought that was a given. It's like saying that the Women's Division has never been taken seriously period. They are halfway trying but they are not really being that serious about it.
I don't follow wrestling any more, but every once in a while I read something online to catch up on the news. Anyway, I've read quotes from Stephanie McMahon-Triple H that stated the WWE sees no value in tag teams from a story telling perspective.
Quote from: Xenolith on April 11, 2010, 02:27:04 PM
I don't follow wrestling any more, but every once in a while I read something online to catch up on the news. Anyway, I've read quotes from Stephanie McMahon-Triple H that stated the WWE sees no value in tag teams from a story telling perspective.
There's a lot of things that the WWE see no value in that even a blind person would recognize.
The script for WWE tag teams is basically the same anyway...just as it is for most tag team matches.
The WWE NXT needs to be taken off the air....It as much a reality show as Joe Schmo (which I actually liked because it was so opposite), but far less effective. I wouldn't be surprised if the audience is told in advance that it's just a scripted TV show and that they are paid to go...just like a Hollywood TV show.
Quote from: thalaw2 on April 12, 2010, 06:43:08 AM
The script for WWE tag teams is basically the same anyway...just as it is for most tag team matches.
The WWE NXT needs to be taken off the air....It as much a reality show as Joe Schmo (which I actually liked because it was so opposite), but far less effective. I wouldn't be surprised if the audience is told in advance that it's just a scripted TV show and that they are paid to go...just like a Hollywood TV show.
The thing with NXT is that I think a few of those guys actually won't make it to the main roster. (Tarver, Slater and Young) However, there are a few who obviously will make it regardless of the outcome of the show. (Bryan, Barrett and Otunga) Gabriel and Sheffield could go either way.
Either way, the show is there to get over new talent and get them exposure. in that regards, it works.
NXT is okay for what it is. Granted, I haven't watched it much, though. However, its painfully clear from him guest hosting RAW that Otunga needs to work on his mic skills a bit more.
I don't watch the WWE or TNA for wrestling as much as I do to see what kind of trainwreck will happen (TNA and WWE) and who will be given a badly done push (WWE). If I want to watch actual wrestling, I download matches from Japan. (And Japanese women wrestlers blow American women wrestlers out of the water; unfortunately Joshi (Japanese women's wrestling) is in a bad decline at the moment.)
If anyone wants to know where I download matches from, PM me. Its all legal, because its mostly Japanese wrestling, including Joshi (with some lucha; has some American stuff, but its mostly from defunct organizations - someone's been posting some WOW, which was a really lame women's fed, for instance) and they don't allow anything commercially available to be posted, so no TNA, WWE, RoH, Chikara, WCW, PWG, etc, since they sell DVDs. They also post wrestling themes to download. Its a message board, and you have to register and be logged in to even see the section with downloads.
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! They released Mickie James. Those bastards! Why god why?
Quote from: thanoson on April 23, 2010, 06:09:57 AM
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! They released Mickie James. Those bastards! Why god why?
Because it was a `last straw' situation. Her being moved to Smackdown was punishment for something, and on the European tour they did she kept showing up late for the bus. That was it, and she got canned.
However, I'm more disappointed that they released Katie Lea and Shelton Benjamin. (Slam Master J, Funaki and Jimmy Yang also got the ax)
Mike Knox too. Still, she was one of the only pure wrestlers they have. Beth Phoenix being the last of the good ones they have. Gail Kim has lost something since coming back. She would have been better off staying in TNA. At least there she wouldn't be buried. McCool is horrible as well as that Alicia Fox. She looks so forced in everything she does. sigh
I am not surprised on the releases at all with the exception of Funaki. I figured if anything, he'd be given some sort of backstage job offer. Maybe he was and didn't take it.
Mickie James has been prepping for some sort of music career in recent months. This has been pretty public knowledge. I think its a similar situation to Jericho leaving to tour with Fozzy with they expected her to ask for the release so they gave it beforehand.
Katie Lea hasn't been used for anything since they signed her.
Natalya and Gail can both wrestle as well. Neither have been allowed to show this. Same goes for Melina and Jillian, though neither of them were all that "great". Melina is often her own worst enemy sometimes, though.
I'm no fan of Alicia Fox or McCool. However, I think Eve, Kelly, and Maryse have become relatively competent with the "WWE style". In a similar way that Trish Stratus developed slowly.
Yang and Slam Masta J both are no surprised. Neither have been much more than jobbers for MONTHS! I suspect they will be both snatched up by ROH or TNA pretty soon.
Yang has already said as much. It was also implied that his being let go might have been due to wellness policy violations. This was on his Twitter account.
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The problem with Shelton is that both he and Haas wanted out of there. They both wanted to jump to TNA and join up with Angle. Don't tell me that Angle's break from TNA will not capitalize on this if at all possible. So, I am not surprised really to see him leave.
Mike Knox was pretty much worthless. You had a big guy with no charisma, a jobber gimmick, and arguably limited talent. He was horrid to watch in DSW and not fun to watch when he was called up either.
I saw enough of Mike Knox in DSW to know that they made a huge mistake when they called him up to ECW as a solo wrestler. He was way too green and not too talented, but a decent enough tag team wrestler. And Knox is one of the wrestlers I was hoping would be released.
Katie Lea was used sparingly on RAW since they broke her and Paul Burchill up. I think she only wrestled in multi-women matches when she actually was used, but I think she's nice looking and I've heard she's actually a decent wrestler.
Gail Kim was fairly lousy when she was first in the WWE (and I think them making her a heel was a big mistake); she had to go to TNA to prove she could actually wrestle. Too bad the WWE won't really let her. Jillian is pretty good, too, but she needs a decent gimmick if she wants to be taken seriously.
Melina I believe is too injury prone. When she returns she needs to prove otherwise before they consider putting a title on her. I think they should see if she can stay off the DL at least a year!
Michelle McCool is THE Diva left that I'd fire in a heartbeat if I was in charge. Its a crime she's been pushed, and that's probably due to her relationship with Undertaker, if the stories are true. She's jobber material at best. The only reason I'd dump her over Layla is because at least Layla is hot! (McCool is facially attractive, but she's too skinny, and Layla is better on the mic)
Alicia Fox is watchable, but she's not championship material. She comes off as just barely above catfighting skills at times.
I'd say the three best female wrestlers on the roster now that Mickie is gone (and I'm not saying she was or wasn't the best), are Beth Phoenix, Gail Kim and Natalya, but unfortunately they haven't let Natalya wrestle much, if any. Eve, Maryse and Kelly have become pretty darn good wrestlers, and you have to remember that Trish didn't start out as a wrestler, either, so they could very well become almost as good someday. (I really hope Maryse turns face someday)
I have to say that I'm really disappointed in the poor and insufficient usage if the female stable in the WWE. I'm wouldn't mind seeing if the women could pull their weight in a show of their own. Maybe replace NXT with the women of WWE. I'm kind of getting bored watching the Gimmicky multi-women matches. I'd like to see the women get their fair share of the spotlight and to have them really have the opportunity to develop as actual wrestlers.
Tonight was the annual WWE draft. I'm happy about some changes, but others....meh.
Spoiler
First of all, new Unified Tag Team champions! Miz kept writing checks with his mouth that his body couldn't cash, and ShowMiz lost the titles to the Hart Dynasty (Hart Attack + Sharpshooter on Miz by Tyson Kidd). Big Show nailed the KO Punch on Miz afterward.
To RAW:
John Morrison - Absolutely thrilled with this pick. I'm betting we get a feud between him and the Miz fairly soon.
R-Truth - Couldn't care either way. Last time I cared about him in the WWE, he was called K-Kwik and was teaming with Road Dogg!
Edge - Was happy about this pick at first, but he *may* have turned heel at the end of RAW. I like Edge, but am sick to freaking death of him as a heel, and would like to see Edge vs. Sheamus. Plus RAW needs a main event face more than it does a heel, with Triple H out of action. (He's taking some time off, which is why they did the injury angle at the PPV)
Chris Jericho - BAD idea. This means that the Edge/Jericho feud might continue on RAW, if we don't get an Edge/Orton one. But at least it means there's little chance of a JeriShow reunion (see the `To Smackdown' list).
To Smackdown:
Kelly Kelly - At least it wasn't Gail Kim. If they had moved her, they might as well shut down the entire RAW women's division.
Big Show - Good move, if they make him back into a singles wrestler. Unless they re-unite him and Kane as a team, I'm not interested in seeing him as a tag team wrestler again for a while.
Kofi Kingston - EXCELLENT move. Kofi's been wasted on RAW since his push stopped.
Christian - EXCELLENT move, as well. I think Christian will fit in better on SD. (Saw this coming when Edge got drafted, because I didn't think they'd have them both on the same brand)
Of course, there will be a `supplemental draft', so that's not all the moves that will be happening. I just hope Drew McIntyre, Michelle McCool and Vickie Guerrero all stay put on Smackdown, and either JTG or Shad goes to RAW.
3 of RAW's 5 picks came from a 5 on 5 team battle royal, so Smackdown actually won the most matches, but two of those wins really weren't clean (interference in one and Maryse being selfish as usual costing her).
Main event stunk huge! And gee goody, we're going to get Batista vs. Cena for the title again, thanks to Edge coming in and spearing Orton! *yawn* (Batista is supposedly on his way out, unless he's signed a new contract, so I bet either Cena gets a decisive victory or Sheamus puts Batista on the shelf next so the match doesn't happen.)
No guest host tonight; Cena was the closest thing to a guest host.
*edit* Supplemental draft results:
Spoiler
Rosa Mendes to Smackdown
Hornswoggle to Smackdown
Goldust to RAW
Ezekiel Jackson to RAW
Chris Masters to Smackdown
Natalya to RAW
Cody Rhodes to Smackdown
Chavo to Smackdown
The Great Khali to RAW
The Hart Dynasty to RAW
MVP to Smackdown
Glad Natalya and the Hart Dynasty are now on RAW (maybe now Natalya will get to wrestle!), but am not happy at all they're moving Ezekiel Jackson to RAW. (WHY do they move injured wrestlers, anyway?)
Happy as sin that Hornswoggle is getting off my tv, since I don't watch Smackdown much (Might change when the show moves to SyFy, because there's no way it stays on Friday nights). But I wish they had moved Carlito there, too.
Big Zeke was injured?!?! Oh no! No wonder I hadn't seen him. The Book of Ezekiel is my favorite finisher (by name not execution).
I'm thinking hooded guy helping Punk is The "A" list David Otunga, but I guess most of you already know that...I'm slow.
1. Ezekiel Jackson was injured on the European tour at a house show in Scotland earlier this month. He tore one of his quadriceps in a match with Kane. And since he's projected to be out six months, it didn't make sense to have him be drafted, because by the time he returns people would've forgotten which brand he was with anyway.
2. The hooded man helping the SES isn't David Otunga, according to what I've read. Its actually an ex-tag team wrestler who was released a long time ago making his return to the company -
Spoiler
Joey Mercury
.
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 28, 2010, 01:19:49 AM
2. The hooded man helping the SES isn't David Otunga, according to what I've read. Its actually an ex-tag team wrestler who was released a long time ago making his return to the company - Spoiler
Joey Mercury
There is another guy that was mentioned in the "hooded mystery man" thing and that was a developmental guy who I believe is named "Alex Price" or something like that. It was mentioned that he was at the PPV dressed about the same way that the hooded guy was and has his head buzzed too.
I wager it's Mercury, though.
However, could go with the ultimate swerve and have it be Darren Young.
I guess it would make too much sense story wise for it to be Otunga...seeing as how when he hosted RAW he screwed Cena to get in good with the Miz. Punk is a pro/judge too so it seems logical (at least to me) that you would go after his vote too.
Apparently Orton's shoulder wasn't injured at Over The Limit. He actually hurt it during a tag match at a house show a day or two before, and the match at OTL just made it worse. And apparently he still has somewhat of an attitude problem, because he threw a tantrum in the locker room after the match.
And it seems we dodged a bullet. Jack Swagger wasn't the original choice to win the World Heavyweight championship. Seems the wrestler they planned to give it to instead has a bit of an attitude/ego problem.
The wrestler I'm referring to? Drew McIntyre.
And I don't care about NXT anymore. Of the 3 left, the only one I care about is Wade Barrett, but I have a horrible feeling David Otunga is going to win.
I don't really care for any of the NXT wrestlers. At least of DO wins he might get his wife to come sing the national anthem. I like her sangin'
Seen on this weeks Smackdown that the Undertaker was found in a vegatative state by his "brother" Kane and will never be back ...which im sure its just to work a storyline for his return after he recovers from his broken nose, concussion, and some occular bone that was broken accidentally during his match last week with Rey Mysterio. Seems alot of the top talent are injured latley
I still think they should have put Kane in the match instead of Mysterio since he is the one that caused the injury to taker and if I remember correctly he is still fighting about money and wants to take some time off.
Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on June 05, 2010, 03:07:55 AM
I still think they should have put Kane in the match instead of Mysterio since he is the one that caused the injury to taker and if I remember correctly he is still fighting about money and wants to take some time off.
Kane replacing `Taker would have made more sense except for the fact he's more or less a midcarder now and Mysterio isn't.
As for the angle....who stole the urn this time? :P
Seems Rey beat up Taker olde skool. I give UT credit for finishing the show. I can't imagine the pain these guys go through for our....entertainment.
Very interesting ending to RAW last nite. WOnder where they are going with this?
I was getting bored with most of the show and the stupid thing with the A-Team but it did get good at the end cant remember the last time the ring got trashed like that.
This is pretty funny http://www.comcast.net/video/wrestler-punches-fan/1516786316/Comcast/1516985485/ there are a couple other news clips before they show the footage of what happens when you try to pull off a mexican wrestler's mask
Ha ha. That looked like La Parka to me.
Quote from: thanoson on June 08, 2010, 03:36:53 PM
Very interesting ending to RAW last nite. WOnder where they are going with this?
What happen? I missed most of th episode and came in after the entire ring was trashed.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on June 10, 2010, 04:40:39 PM
Quote from: thanoson on June 08, 2010, 03:36:53 PM
Very interesting ending to RAW last nite. WOnder where they are going with this?
What happen? I missed most of th episode and came in after the entire ring was trashed.
The 1st season NXT Rookies surrounded the ring attacked Cena,CM Punk,Jerry Lawler,Michael Cole,and the other ring side officials and trashed everything
That IS La Parka in that clip.
Quote from: ubergreendragon on June 10, 2010, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on June 10, 2010, 04:40:39 PM
Quote from: thanoson on June 08, 2010, 03:36:53 PM
Very interesting ending to RAW last nite. WOnder where they are going with this?
What happen? I missed most of th episode and came in after the entire ring was trashed.
The 1st season NXT Rookies surrounded the ring attacked Cena,CM Punk,Jerry Lawler,Michael Cole,and the other ring side officials and trashed everything
Did Bryan Danielson (I'm not calling him Daniel Bryan!) get a piece of Cole?
Quote from: GhostMachine on June 10, 2010, 09:50:18 PM
That IS La Parka in that clip.
Quote from: ubergreendragon on June 10, 2010, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on June 10, 2010, 04:40:39 PM
Quote from: thanoson on June 08, 2010, 03:36:53 PM
Very interesting ending to RAW last nite. WOnder where they are going with this?
What happen? I missed most of th episode and came in after the entire ring was trashed.
The 1st season NXT Rookies surrounded the ring attacked Cena,CM Punk,Jerry Lawler,Michael Cole,and the other ring side officials and trashed everything
Did Bryan Danielson (I'm not calling him Daniel Bryan!) get a piece of Cole?
No one got a piece of Cole (hehe).
What happened is Wade Barrett walked down the ramp (wearing a black armband with a yellow N on it, as were all the others rookies) during the Cena/Punk main event, when he got real close to the ring, Micheal Tarver was shown jumping the guard rail from the audience, then we saw all the others rookies coming from all sides. A few of them then attacked CM Punk and Luke Gallows, as soon as that happened Serena high tailed it out of there really fast, then all 8 rookies went in the ring, David Otunga punched the ref and they all beat the hell out of Cena for a few minutes. After that the real chaos started, Matt Striker was taken down and then Jerry Lawler and I think that's when Micheal Cole vanished (he didnt get attacked by anyone), then the NXTers took down the bellringer and some security guys and started to toss chairs around, turned the announcer table over on top of Lawler, went nuts on Justin Robert (the ring announcer), watching Daniel Bryan strangle him with his tie was pretty funny. They trashed the place pretty good, tearing part of the guard rail, exposing the wood under the ring mat, dislodging a turnbuckle or two. They then went back in the ring to beat on Cena some more, hitting some impact move, CM Punk tried to get some revenge but was taken out fast, Daniel Bryan then started to scream at Cena "You're not better than me!" a few times and spat in his face before kicking his head (hehe that was awesome), it ended with Justin Gabriel hitting the 450 splash on Cena, then they walked to the back to mixed cheers and boos.
The whole thing was cool, but it would have been better and make more sense if a few faces from the back came to try and help Cena, Evan Bourne at least since he's now all buddy with Cena should have come to help, but whatever it was still pretty shocking and the best ending of RAW in years.
And I guess they continued this down in FCW, as they laid out Christian and the Miz as well. I like it. Umm, about season 2 of NXT. Poor Low Ki (Kavel). He doesn't deserve LaCool.
They fired Brian Danielson
Which just baffles my mind. He was the star of the 1st season. He's got more talent then all the other 7 combined. Too violent for tv? That's your excuse? Jesus.
From what I read, they had to release him because sponsors or something were not happy at all with the imagery of Danielson choking Justin Roberts with his own tie, apparently WWE hands are tied, they need a scapegoat, they need things to cool down and they hope to rehire Brian Danielson at a later point.
That's what happens when you go all PG ratings with PG sponsors and... (ahum) Linda MacMahon running for senate. :rolleyes:
If that's all true then I hope Justin Roberts, the careman shooting that intense scene, the cutting editor that put that particular camera shot on live RAW and whomever wrote that angle all get released too, because having Danielson as the only cullprint is not fair at all.
Now, that is if that's really the reason he got released anyway... if he's really released at all... :ph34r: :unsure: :ph34r:
That makes sense. Someone being choked like that should definitely not be part of a family show about people killing each other. This is like when Mohammed Hassan had some minions choke the Undertaker that time. They realized that having an Arabic man whose gimmick was that people stereotyped him unfairly as a terrorist because there were Arabic terrorists in the world was unacceptable when they suddenly realized there were Arabic terrorists in the world so they had The Undertaker seemingly kill him on screen and fired him in real life. I mean choking is absolutely unacceptable. Unless it's like with a boot or feet or something. Let's just stick to barbed wire bats and throwing people from great heights.
:doh:
BTW, the Hassan character was priceless. Went to a show in sacramento when Shawn Michaels kicked Hogan in the face. Buddy of mine and I were totally cheering him with 4-5 guys of arabic decent. They, like ourselves, were totally into it. BTW, I believe he was actually italian.
Wow.... shame I missed this. Sounds like it was a good old fashioned 80's NWA beatdown.
Shame about the whole hanging thing. Considering all the blood, chairs & tables smashed, falls from ladders --- they consider the choking thing most violent? Whatever.
Makes me laugh cause several years back I was part of an E-fed, doing a cowboy & indian tag team --- and to have the feud kicked off I worked an angle out with the other team to have them rush us after a match and then hang us over the top ropes with nooses. Good times. :)
RTT
Any chance the mystery GM of RAW is
Spoiler
The Rock
?
They don't even know yet. It's all done on the fly. WHich is cool as we can have weeks of who is the GM? I just think the payoff is gonna be week. Though, how cool would it be to see Paul Heyman or Jim Cornette revealed as the secret GM?
My guess regarding the mystery GM is it'll turn out to be Triple-H.
I really hope it doesn't turn out to be Shane or Stephanie, and I think its obvious its not going to turn out to be Vickie Guerrero unless they want to drive fans away in droves.
By the way, Bret Hart really is gone from the WWE....for now. He has an insurance policy with Lloyds of London and they were none too happy about what happened on RAW last week. But it was amicable, so he may eventually be back.
Quote from: GhostMachine on June 23, 2010, 10:30:42 PM
My guess regarding the mystery GM is it'll turn out to be Triple-H.
I really hope it doesn't turn out to be Shane or Stephanie, and I think its obvious its not going to turn out to be Vickie Guerrero unless they want to drive fans away in droves.
By the way, Bret Hart really is gone from the WWE....for now. He has an insurance policy with Lloyds of London and they were none too happy about what happened on RAW last week. But it was amicable, so he may eventually be back.
The reason for Bret's departure is he is getting married next month... to a woman nearly half his age.
As for the mystery GM... I think HHH is a definitely possibility. Stephanie is a no-go as she is pregnant with her and HHH's 3rd baby. Shane is not with the WWE so that is not likely. I've heard a few people saw Michael Cole but I don't see that happening. However, I going to go out on a limb here as to who the mystery GM is and say that it might be Abraham Washington. There were rumors he was getting called up to RAW to be the GM before Bret's thing so that might still be the case. Of course, I would love to see the GM be revealed as Bryan Danielson and the whole firing is a ruse.
R.I.P. Lance Cade. He was found dead of apparent heart failure yesterday by his father. He was only 29.
(And sadly, its not a rumor. Has been confirmed)
Yep. Sad, he was cool with Jericho.
Poor guy was really looking like he was coming into his with the Archer team up.
Umm.... Danielson is back. Woot. Now if only Kaval can win the next season, we could see them fued. Btw, Darren Young looks like Cena in Black face if you take the hair away. GF and I noticed this tonight. Same features.
New unified tag belts introduced on RAW, so the Hart Dynasty doesn't have to carry two sets of belts around. The belts would look good if they didn't have Spartan/Trojan helmets on them. They look like they were designed by either Lane Kiffin or a diehard Michigan State fan.
Daniel Bryan being back is good, but they need to stop this crap with Michael Cole trying to bury him on the mic. Even when he's pro-heel Lawler doesn't badmouth faces that bad! (I suspect a Crossface might be in Cole's future, since they seem to be having Daniel Bryan using that instead of the Cattle Mutilation)
Quote from: thalaw2 on August 16, 2010, 10:34:51 PM
Poor guy was really looking like he was coming into his with the Archer team up.
Wrong guy. Archer's partner is Curt Hawkins, who was Zach Ryder's tag partner as the Edgeheads. Lance Cade was tag partners with Trevor Murdock before they were both released. He was also Chris Jericho's lackey back when Jericho had that feud going on with Shawn Michaels in 2008. (Way before that, he wrestled in the WWE as Garrison Cade, with his hair bleached. Was Mark Jindrak's tag partner.)
Oh yeah! Sorry about that. I should check my facts better before posting. Thanks for the correction!
Off to Wiki for me!
finally seen summerslam, was working yesterday. and seriously why
i haven't seen raw yet but the big surprise was bryan danielson, i think we all called that about 90 days ago.
it was an alright ppv untill the last 5 minutes when superman shows up and saves the day, seriously wtf that ending was moronic.
like i said it may get better i haven't seen raw but they had such a great chance to do something fresh and didn't pull the trigger
RAW was stupid.
It was members of Nexus facing members of Team WWE in singles matches, with Nexus members banned from interfering, and Wade Barrett decreed that any member of Nexus who lost was out of the group. The only match not featuring Nexus was a 3 on 3 Divas tag, and the heels won. Two of the matches ended with the Nexus members winning due to countout, two involved interference by people who weren't Nexus members (and those interfering went after the Team WWE members, costing them the match (Randy Orton took Bret Hart's spot and got counted out due to Sheamus, and Daniel Bryan got the old `sneak attack roll up' because he was paying attention to the Miz and Alex Riley). Guess who was the ONLY member of Team WWE to win? Cena. He beat Darren Young, so Nexus is down to 6 members. (And I don't know if he had the new apparel at Summerslam or not, but Cena has a new cap and t-shirt, which are UGLY - in color AND design)
The only thing you really missed if you didn't see RAW was Bret Hart presenting the Hart Dynasty with new belts (which look stupid; they have Spartan helmets on them). They've made new unified tag belts, so no more carrying two different belts around.
A show with two wins due to countouts, one due to a rollup and a face only winning one match is idiotic to begin with.
Oh, and Cole is back to trying to bury Daniel Bryan on the mic. They need to end that crap quick, and I suspect it won't be long. (Cole is the Miz's second biggest fan (after the Miz himself) and Daniel Bryan is now feuding with the Miz; hopefully the feud ends up with the Miz either losing the MITB case or Daniel Bryan costing him the match when he cashes it in.)
Quote from: GhostMachine on August 17, 2010, 08:16:48 PM
Oh, and Cole is back to trying to bury Daniel Bryan on the mic. They need to end that crap quick, and I suspect it won't be long. (Cole is the Miz's second biggest fan (after the Miz himself) and Daniel Bryan is now feuding with the Miz; hopefully the feud ends up with the Miz either losing the MITB case or Daniel Bryan costing him the match when he cashes it in.)
see i'm loving heel cole they need to turn him fully it's the most entertaining he's been in ever
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Quote from: GhostMachine on August 17, 2010, 08:16:48 PM
Oh, and Cole is back to trying to bury Daniel Bryan on the mic. They need to end that crap quick, and I suspect it won't be long. (Cole is the Miz's second biggest fan (after the Miz himself) and Daniel Bryan is now feuding with the Miz; hopefully the feud ends up with the Miz either losing the MITB case or Daniel Bryan costing him the match when he cashes it in.)
see i'm loving heel cole they need to turn him fully it's the most entertaining he's been in ever
Its not Cole being a heel that's the problem. The problem is he's only really acting heelish when the Miz is involved, and verbally trying to bury Daniel Bryan. Even when he was pro-heel Lawler didn't try and bury guys. The payoff HAS to be Daniel Bryan destroying the Miz/beating the Miz in a match with the MITB case on the lone/costing the Miz the match when he cashe in the case OR Daniel Bryan slapping a submission on Cole and keeping it locked on until security gets involved. Attacking Cole would be too heelish unless Cole gives him good reason, and badmouthing him on the mic isn't it.
I'm going to say that Cole is doing a great job of building Bryan up. The best thing that Bryan did in WWE, was beat up Cole. That was simply awesome.
agreed
According to various sources, both "The Nightmare" Ted Allen and Skandor Akbar have died. No cause of death mentioned for either, as of yet.
This breaks my heart cause I knew and worked with her in the biz for a little while. She was truly a sweetheart outside the ring.
QuoteLuna Vachon, a Canadian former wrestler known for her bleached hair, spiky leather outfits and signature scowl, has died at age 48, World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) says.
"World Wrestling Entertainment has been made aware of the passing of Gertrude (Luna) Vachon," the organization said in a statement on its website on Friday. "WWE extends its deepest condolences to the Vachon family."
Vachon was found dead at her mother's home in Canada, where she had been staying after a fire destroyed her house and most of her wrestling memorabilia earlier this month, according to the website Canoe.ca, adding that the cause of her death has not been determined.
Vachon was known as "Trudy" to friends, had suffered from bipolar disorder throughout her life. She was taught to wrestle as a child by Paul "The Butcher" Vachon, her mother's wife whom she considered her father.
"I grew up wanting to be a part of this business so badly," she said in a 2007 interview with WWE. "My family discouraged me at first. My aunt Vivian was a wrestler, so they knew the kind of toll that wrestling could take on a woman's body. I didn't let that stop me though. It was in my blood, and all I wanted to do was become a wrestler."
Vachon joined the now-defunct World Wrestling Federation (WWF) in 1992 and teamed with Bam Bam Bigelow to beat Doink the Clown and his sidekick Dink at WrestleMania X in 1994.
Vachon worked for several other wrestling organizations and was under contract with WWE between 1993 and 2000. She became a born again Christian about six ago and retired from wrestling in 2007. She then worked as a tow truck operator.
"I absolutely love it," she told WWE at the time. "At the end of the day, my hands and face are greasy, there's dirt under my fingernails, and my body is exhausted. But, it makes me feel good to know that I've put in a hard day of labor, and ultimately, I've lent a hand to somebody that needed my help."
Vachon was married three times and is survived by her two sons, who are about 26 and 28.
This one here is sad news. SHe was truly a bad mammajamma. I liked her lots.
I just hope the cause of death wasn't suicide. Sadly, that's the first thing that came to mind when I read that she was bi-polar, since I already knew about her house burning down and her memorabilia being lost in the fire.
Looks like Lucha Libre USA may be done. The show was supposed to be 52 episodes, but they've been talking about a season finale and the wrestlers have been told there won't be anymore pre-tapings this year, just house shows.
Good news: TNA is bringing in Becky Bayless. Bad news: She's coming in with Rob Eckos and they'll have new names and will be doing a Jersey Shore gimmick. (I believe I read somewhere that she's going to be called `Cookie') Meaning there's more ammo for those who believe that the people running TNA have no *censored* clue what they're doing.
Me and Naomi is gettin' married!!!!! Ise in love!
Really....my girlfriend's name is Naomy.
Quote from: thalaw2 on September 08, 2010, 12:03:57 PM
Me and Naomi is gettin' married!!!!! Ise in love!
Really....my girlfriend's name is Naomy.
I wouldn't mind hooking up with Aksana. LOL!
If you're watching Diva Search 2010, aka NXT season 3, they're sending Aloisia back to FCW. The thing with Vickie was NOT an angle to get her jumped to RAW or Smackdown, paired up with another pro, or anything like that. Apparently there are some.....provocative....pictures of Aloisia out there, and the WWE isn't too happy about that, considering they've switched to being PG and Linda McMahon is running for the senate.
Also, please check this out: http://board.deathvalleydriver.com/index.php?showtopic=52959&st=20 - Someone I know from two different message boards has written a story done in chapters about a fictional wrestler, and its pretty good. (I decided to wait until he finished it to post a link here) The thread does have responses by other posters in it, but doesn't interfere with the story. (I'm one of the posters, Blazing Dragon) Victor would like some feedback, so if you like it, feel free to either register at that board or post in this thread, and I'll PM a link to this thread so he can read it. Thanks.
(I've mentioned the board I linked to to a few people here before. Its a really good board if you're a wrestling fan, and there's one section of the Wrestling area that's hidden unless you're registered and logged in. That section has links people have posted where you can download wrestlers' themes and videos of matches that people have uploaded (nothing you can find commercially in the U.S.; I'd say most of it is Japanese wrestling, but there's quite a lot of good stuff) A few of the people who post there are actually wrestlers, but not big names.)
I umm... saw the pics. She's not bad looking. Apparently they switched it back to being about her not being rdy. The new girl is supposed to have even more raunchier pics.
The situation with Aloisa is that she was accused of lying about the existence of some pics. The whole situation is really sad. Basically, she was asked when they signed her if she had any of a certain kind of photo. They didn't ask about the other kind. She answered the question as it was asked. Last Thursday, the pics were found by WWE officials and she was removed from NXT.
There is a bit more too it but some of it shouldn't be repeated here.
They built the show around the huge girl then they take her off cause of some pictures that are barely "racey" (and non nude) what a joke.
Quote from: kobelee on September 09, 2010, 05:21:45 PM
They built the show around the huge girl then they take her off cause of some pictures that are barely "racey" (and non nude) what a joke.
The show was not built around the huge girl. As for the pictures, they claim she lied about the existence of them. She claims she answered the question as it was asked to her and didn't even think about the pictures in question existing. I suspect that it the former. I have spoke to her before on two occasions. She is difficult and has an attitude problem. If I were a WWE official, I'd have thought twice about signing her. I suspect that her attitude played a factor in her getting kicked off NXT.
That said, this season was not built around any of the girls anymore than the previous two seasons. (Don't give me anything about season 1 being built around Daniel Bryan and season 2 around Kaval.) All the guys from season 1 are now on the WWE roster. So far, two of the season 2 guys are on the WWE roster: Kaval and Alex Riley. (Though Riley is not officially on the roster yet, that will change soon. He is involved with the Miz and Daniel Bryan fued.) I fully expect Percy Watson, Husky Harris, and Michael McGuillicutty/Joe Hennig to be on the WWE roster soon, too. The remaining three guys from season two will probably be future endeavored unless they are brought on to Smackdown with McGuillicutty.
The same goes for the 6 divas on this season. All six will be brought up and I suspect that before the end of the season, Aloisa will be back as well. It wouldn't surprise me to see the finals be Naomi and Kaitlyn with Kaitlyn winning and Aloisa attacking her. That said, I think it's a horrible route to go. Nevertheless, all six divas will wind up on the WWE roster. The winner of NXT will get a guaranteed title shot.
Just watched this week's Smackdown and even if predictable, the return of Paul Bearer was awesome and Kane is totally having the best run of his carreer isn't he?
Quote from: Marmeille on September 25, 2010, 07:35:33 PM
Just watched this week's Smackdown and even if predictable, the return of Paul Bearer was awesome and Kane is totally having the best run of his carreer isn't he?
I'd say his best run since the beginning of his career.
It's sad when the antics of an idiot announcer (Michael Cole) is some of the better stuff on WWE right now.
That and The Miz vs. Daniel Bryan feud. I never thought I would be marking for The Miz but he's become a pretty good performer in the ring. He's not on par with Bryan technically but their match at Night of Champions was still the best match on the card.
El Gigante/Giant Gonzalez has passed away, in Argentina. He was only 44, but has had health problems for years. (Confined to a wheel chair and had to have kidney dialysis)
Christian tore a pec muscle and it looks like he is going to be out for around 6 months.
I read a post at another board that the Nexus logo t-shirt has proven to be a merchandising flop. Not sure it its true, but I wouldn't be surprised, as its a simple AND stupid design. I don't know which is worse: it, or Cena's ugly new purple and yellow hat and shirt....
Quote from: GhostMachine on September 26, 2010, 08:05:31 AM
El Gigante/Giant Gonzalez has passed away, in Argentina. He was only 44, but has had health problems for years. (Confined to a wheel chair and had to have kidney dialysis)
Christian tore a pec muscle and it looks like he is going to be out for around 6 months.
I read a post at another board that the Nexus logo t-shirt has proven to be a merchandising flop. Not sure it its true, but I wouldn't be surprised, as its a simple AND stupid design. I don't know which is worse: it, or Cena's ugly new purple and yellow hat and shirt....
I'm not sure that the Nexus shirt has been a complete flop. However, I think it's probably not sold what they expected. I don't expect The Nexus to be around much longer anyways. I mean Cena losing and joining Nexus isn't likely.
As unlikely as Kane beating the Undertaker?....or Cena losing to Shamus?
Kane beat a de-powered Undertaker (and may be about to get his comeuppance), and Sheamus didn't beat Cena by pin or submission.
I'd like to point out that having John Cena join Nexus and/or turn heel would be an incredibly bad idea, since the only main event faces RAW has right now are him and Randy Orton. RAW is too heel heavy as it is, even with Chris Jericho possibly leaving or taking some time off.
Plus Cena is still hugely popular with kids, so his merchandise sales would likely go down the toilet if they turned him heel.
Quote from: GhostMachine on September 26, 2010, 10:03:25 AM
Kane beat a de-powered Undertaker (and may be about to get his comeuppance), and Sheamus didn't beat Cena by pin or submission.
I'd like to point out that having John Cena join Nexus and/or turn heel would be an incredibly bad idea, since the only main event faces RAW has right now are him and Randy Orton. RAW is too heel heavy as it is, even with Chris Jericho possibly leaving or taking some time off.
Plus Cena is still hugely popular with kids, so his merchandise sales would likely go down the toilet if they turned him heel.
The flip side of that argument is that they really have nothing else to do with Cena. They've pretty much built him into this "Superman" babyface that has pretty much decimated the rest of the roster in one manner or another. I do think it's too soon to turn Cena heel. However, I would not be surprised to see it happen by Wrestlemania next year.
The bigger problem is that Cena is in a position much like Hogan was in the 80s. The "unstoppable, superman" babyface that is over at the expense of the credibility of just about everyone else on the roster. Well, all the heels at least except Sheamus. The fact that Orton has emerged as a strong face to rival Cena merits some credit to Orton and to the crowd. For WWE to be trying to build up several of their younger talent, they are doing so in a very unconvincing manner.
Those things said, I would not be surprised to see The Miz as a face at some point next year.
I suspect Jericho will be a face sooner than that. If not Jericho then Edge due to the GM feud. It's a curious situation, though. One would assume that the Anonymous GM was a heel at first due to the favors to Nexus and to Sheamus. Now, we are getting this pushed the GM could be a face? I don't buy it. The results is going to likely turn one of the two face but not both.
Plus, Triple H will be back either by Survivor Series or Royal Rumble. Though, I don't know know that he will be back on a full time basis. He has a nice cushy office in Stamford at WWE Headquarters, now. I think HHH will come back and feud with Sheamus and finish up what was started when he was injured. Then, Triple H will move on to probably Drew McIntyre (who I wager will be on RAW after the draft next year). Drew and Cody having the tag titles is not by accident. It provides an opportunity to get Drew exposure on both brands.
Oh, and if you haven't noticed. They seem to have an easier time building new talent up as heels than as faces. I don't know why this is but it definitely is. John Morrison, The Miz, Dolph Ziggler, Wade Barrett, Sheamus, Randy Orton, the list goes on... all began to get over strong as heels. Morrison turned face and stalled somewhat. I actually think Drew McIntyre would be over more as a face than he is as a heel but who knows. There's a lot of things I think that lad needs.
As for Kane beating The Undertaker, it was totally believable given the way they built the angle. I was surprised they did the right thing there. The Undertaker doesn't have much of a career left while Kane is having the best run of his career.
Jericho should turn face, not Edge, in my opinion.
Edge works okay as a face, but is much better as a heel. Jericho is great either way.
Big fan of the Miz, but if there's any heel on RAW I'd like to see turn face, its Sheamus.
Not impressed by Drew McIntyre at all, so I'd hate to see him on RAW. The best thing about him is his entrance music.
If you're going to bring up the WWE pushing people as heels, I'd like to add that Kofi Kingston's push was more or less ended so they could push Sheamus. I don't know if they're afraid to try pushing new talent as faces long term or if they just find it easier to push heels.
Undertaker is my favorite wrestler (and Kane's pretty high on my list, too), but he needs to hang it up sometime next year (last match at Summerslam at the latest) . His knees are pretty shot and he takes too much time off, even though he doesn't wrestle nearly as much as everyone else. I would like to see him retire with the Wrestlemania streak intact, though.
Quote from: GhostMachine on September 27, 2010, 11:07:55 AM
Jericho should turn face, not Edge, in my opinion.
Edge works okay as a face, but is much better as a heel. Jericho is great either way.
Big fan of the Miz, but if there's any heel on RAW I'd like to see turn face, its Sheamus.
Not impressed by Drew McIntyre at all, so I'd hate to see him on RAW. The best thing about him is his entrance music.
If you're going to bring up the WWE pushing people as heels, I'd like to add that Kofi Kingston's push was more or less ended so they could push Sheamus. I don't know if they're afraid to try pushing new talent as faces long term or if they just find it easier to push heels.
Undertaker is my favorite wrestler (and Kane's pretty high on my list, too), but he needs to hang it up sometime next year (last match at Summerslam at the latest) . His knees are pretty shot and he takes too much time off, even though he doesn't wrestle nearly as much as everyone else. I would like to see him retire with the Wrestlemania streak intact, though.
McIntyre's music is the best part of him to this point. He's not a bad worker if you think about it. However, he is missing something as a heel that might suggest he'd work better as a face.
I don't really like Sheamus. I cringe almost every time he gets on the mic. I don't know what it is about him. That said, he kinda strikes me the same way that McIntyre does. Something is missing from both of "their characters" and their mic work. But I can pinpoint my issue with Sheamus: the "Celtic Warrior" thing is kinda passe and something that might've worked better in the 90s than today. He's getting better but he still grates on my nerves the same way that John Cena does when he says "The Champ is here".
The issue with Jericho and Edge is this: They can avoid turning both of them if they play their cards right. However, the two big problems here are: the fans and the anonymous GM. The fans love Jericho even as a heel. He is a heel they love to hate as much as they love to cheer. It'll be a similar situation to what has happened with Orton. As for Edge, the fans almost seem to be cheering him on with regards to this whole "feud with the anonymous GM" thing.
Which brings me to the "anonymous GM". I have the GM narrowed down to a few people. I strongly suspect that it's Triple H but it doesn't explain the favoritism toward The Nexus. However, it bares noting that the first few targets of Wade and the boys were all people who HHH had beefs with. I will include Bret on this note because of the Montreal incident. Another key person that it could be is Stephanie McMahon. However, there isn't much evidence other than Vince's initial comment to the "anonymous GM" and the animosity toward Jericho. McMahon suggested it was "someone affiliated with the WWE" and someone he was on reasonably good terms with. Those two are the most logical choices given that Shane is no longer with the company. A lot of people think it's Michael Cole but I doubt it and personally hope not. Cole's new "heel persona" would clash with a lot of the face choices made as of late by the GM. Whoever it is, the reveal of the GM is going to direct how the situation with Jericho and Edge plays out.
As for Kofi, his push being where it is has nothing to do with Sheamus getting pushed. It does has everything to do with them not wanting Kofi burned and buried in the middle of this whole Kane and Undertaker thing. This feud with Dolph Ziggler has been pushed perhaps a bit too long but the hoped for payoff is that both men will be able to occupy the main event picture in the near future.
Some people think the mystery GM might be Abraham Washington. I absolutely hope not, because he stinks.
Cole being the GM would not make sense. How the heck is he sending the e-mails to himself if its him? They've shown some of the e-mails, some of them are clearly being done in response to things said or done in the ring, and he doesn't have a computer at the announcers table.
Triple-H makes sense. He could have allowed the Nexus-Sheamus truce for a while because he wants to save beating Sheamus for himself.
And Kofi's mega-push was more or less killed before he even moved to Smackdown. Sheamus winning the battle royal over him was pretty much when it was killed. Going from feuding with Randy Orton to Dolph frickin' Ziggler is NOT being pushed!
Quote from: GhostMachine on September 27, 2010, 08:43:05 PM
Some people think the mystery GM might be Abraham Washington. I absolutely hope not, because he stinks.
Cole being the GM would not make sense. How the heck is he sending the e-mails to himself if its him? They've shown some of the e-mails, some of them are clearly being done in response to things said or done in the ring, and he doesn't have a computer at the announcers table.
Triple-H makes sense. He could have allowed the Nexus-Sheamus truce for a while because he wants to save beating Sheamus for himself.
And Kofi's mega-push was more or less killed before he even moved to Smackdown. Sheamus winning the battle royal over him was pretty much when it was killed. Going from feuding with Randy Orton to Dolph frickin' Ziggler is NOT being pushed!
I agree that Cole makes no sense. But they've done dumber things.
As for the Kofi push, the intent was never to push Kofi directly to the main event. The feud with Orton was to push him into the upper midcard and potential main event picture. It also served to further the Orton vs. Legacy build for Wrestlemania that was essentially Orton's face turn cemented.
The same thing is going on with Ziggler. The Kofi/Ziggler feud is just that an upper mid-card feud against two guys who work well together and who will both be future main eventers most likely. The same goes for The Miz vs. Daniel Bryan. It's a feud designed to elevate to push both men in various ways and end with Bryan being an upper midcard guy and Miz being poised to enter the Main Event.
I love the booking. I hate the "creative teams" manner of getting there with Kofi and Dolph. The only reason I hate it is that Kofi is not really getting much mic time out of the equation though he's not that great on the mic.
It would be Awesome if the mystery GM is Abraham Washington....lol! I like the guy. He was my favorite part of ECW. I had hoped that M.Cole was gone for good. Seeing him return to NXT made me disappointed. Him and M.Striker really get on my nerves. However, I would like to see The Big Show do more announcing.
As for the Kofi push...I think the ol' Nation of Domination had a good point...The WWE has never promoted a black World Champion...except The Rock who was part of the NoD.
Umm... I look at Dwayne and I see more samoan than black. Black Lesnar (Bobby Lashely) was a champion and he was pushed. Not to the levels of anybody worth a damn, but he was pushed. They missed out with Booker T. He should have been a 6 time champion. NoD was right to a point.
The Raw GM clearly is HAL 9000.
"Cole please... stop him..." :lol:
That whole Edge destroying the GM laptop segment make me laugh, especially when Edge went all Ric Flair on the broken laptop and dropped an elbow haha.
Quote from: thanoson on September 28, 2010, 05:39:04 AM
Umm... I look at Dwayne and I see more samoan than black. Black Lesnar (Bobby Lashely) was a champion and he was pushed. Not to the levels of anybody worth a damn, but he was pushed. They missed out with Booker T. He should have been a 6 time champion. NoD was right to a point.
I have wondered for a long time why exactly BL left WWE for UFC. My only conclusion is what the NoD said. BL could be ECW champion, but WWE champion?!?!?!?! Not bloody likely! As for Dwayne, if he wasn't black then why did he join the NoD? I had a Samoan friend in China who always went around telling everyone that he's a black man.
Quote from: thalaw2 on September 28, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Quote from: thanoson on September 28, 2010, 05:39:04 AM
Umm... I look at Dwayne and I see more samoan than black. Black Lesnar (Bobby Lashely) was a champion and he was pushed. Not to the levels of anybody worth a damn, but he was pushed. They missed out with Booker T. He should have been a 6 time champion. NoD was right to a point.
I have wondered for a long time why exactly BL left WWE for UFC. My only conclusion is what the NoD said. BL could be ECW champion, but WWE champion?!?!?!?! Not bloody likely! As for Dwayne, if he wasn't black then why did he join the NoD? I had a Samoan friend in China who always went around telling everyone that he's a black man.
Dwayne is half black and half Samoan.
IMHO Edge needs a gimmick make over. He has grown stale for me. Edge was a heat magnet a few years ago, before his relationship with Vickie Guerrero (which i consider a low point, despite a few great matches with Undertaker). I don't know how to fix Edge to make him workable in the PG Era.
I want to see Cena forced into the Nexus. This not because I hate Cena, I actually caught on to his "Hogan of the 2000's" gimmick and I was ok with it to a point, but it has lost steam. I think him being forced to be the to heel things would be compelling for a little while and could be the cause for a Nexus split in the future possible allow for a few face turns in the group under Cena's influence.
I also want to point out, that much like Austin in 1997, Randy Orton is not a face. Orton is still a heel, he is just a heel the fans are cheering, much as Austin was a heel fans cheered. Orton is being cheered because adult fans are tired of Cena, and they are giving a reason for Orton's actions on screen instead of him just being a sadist and a butcher, they have established that he has an obsession with the championship and is zoning out during matches becoming overly aggressive. I just want to point out, that just because a heel does heel things to other heels, it does not make him a face. Orton is bad guy we can understand, who isn't trying to get heat from the fans, but still a heel.
I hate Edge. And not in a good way. I used to be a fan, but the way he was pushed as a heel for a long time, plus the fact his Spear is the worst I've ever seen (I've actually seen comedy wrestlers do better at times!) has more or less killed that. Him winning a title in an elimination chamber thanks to Vickie....and the win not being overturned.....more or less killed that. The only thing that would cure my attitude toward him would be a loooooong run as a face, with a different finisher. The Running Hug Of Doom is second only to Scotty 2 Hotty's W-O-R-M (opponent should be back up and kicking the snot out of him by the time he hits O in the dance.....and its just a chop!) and only slightly ahead of Jeff Jarrett's Stroke (opponent's hand is clearly absorbing the impact) on my list of worst finishers.
I've already explained why I think turning Cena would be a bad idea (the lack of enough faces, the fact it would likely hurt merchandise sales), but I'm all for it if:
1. He joins Nexus and destroys it from within by causing some infighting or turning some members face. Meaning he's actually a face pretending to be a heel.
or
2. (This is unlikely) He actually turns heel and either gets a new theme or goes back to using `Basic Thuganomics'. I never have liked `My Time Is Now', while `Basic Thuganomics' is in my top ten list of entrance themes with lyrics. (Its no `Real American' or `Badstreet USA', though.
Rumor is the WWE may `retire' Jillian, with her going to FCW as a trainer. Too bad, because I'd like to see her get a run as a face without a stupid gimmick.
As for Bobby Lashley, I can give you one reason he may never have made it as a WWE champion: His voice. If there's any wrestler in WWE (not WWF, WWE) history who should have had a manager and never spoken a word, its him. Lashley looks pretty bad a, but he's too soft spoken.
Failed makes a good point about Randy Orton. But I'd also like to point out that Orton does not work well as a face. He's a natural heel, and when he was a face before he was absolutely boring on the microphone.
I was a huge Edge and Christian fan, as well as Hardy Boyz (then again any guy out of NC I give a chance because I like to see guys from my state make good).
I wish that Edge would get a new finisher. The spear being used by a guy his size has always been a point of contention with me. Edge had plethora of moves that were finisher levels, the Downward Spiral (Flatliner), Edgecution (Lifting DDT Facebuster), heck even the Edgecator (Inverted Sharpshooter). And they kept having him use the spear, I just wish he could channel some of is charisma and turn face, perhaps against CM Punk.
Ghost, you are dead on about Kermit the Lashley. His first promo, my friends and I were watching, we thought he was a being voiced by Jim Henson. Had he been Goldberg'd kept quit and just dominated for a while and then had him speak had a longer run in the WWE.
The problem with Edge's Spear isn't just his size. Its his execution of it. He's hit some rather lousy looking Spears that would have been unbelievable as a match finisher even if a 380 lb 7 footer had hit them.
Late last year there was a multi-man tag (I believe it was 3 on 3), and the finish was Edge Spearing Kane for the win. The problem wasn't just that Edge Spearing someone that size shouldn't be believable as a finisher, but the fact it literally looked like a running hug more than a Spear.
And just a few weeks ago, Edge finished a match with a `Spear' that was more or less a shoulder block from about 2 feet away from the victim rather than anything resembling a Spear in the slightest.
Edge does still use the Edgecution some, but I believe it rarely is used as a match ender. There's been a few times where he's hit it but still had to use the Spear anyway. Frankly, I prefer the rarely used implant DDT version that was closer to the Impaler move from the Brood era to the usual facebuster version.
Goldberg has said he'd wrestle again if the money was right - even for the WWE - because his wife and kid(s) have never seen him wrestle and he'd like to give them the chance. If the WWE actually did sign him to wrestle, a great way for him to return would be to have him Spear Edge out of his boots from out of nowhere. Maybe even have Edge cough up blood from the hit.
I used to have a WCW Goldberg t-shirt that said `Fear the Spear' (the only wrestling t-shirt I've ever owned, incidentally, though I'd still love to get my hands on a yellow and red 80's era `Hulkamania' t-shirt). An appropriate one for Edge would be `Jeer the Spear'. :P
Edge was traded to Smackdown on RAW this week, but they didn't say who he was traded for.
The rumor going around is that he was traded for CM Punk. I read spoilers for Smackdown this week, and Punk isn't on it, so that could very well be true.
Is Under Taker planning to retire soon or is this all just a work up for another Kane vs. Under Taker Wrestlemania? Who would UT fight in a retirement match anyway? I would choose HHH over Kane. I can't think of anyone else with enough seniority to retire the deadman.
is anyone else disappointed at the anti-climax that was bound for glory. The monkeys that write Jersey Shore could tell a better long term story line
Failed, the thing you have to realize, if you haven't by now, is that TNA is run by idiots.
The only reason TNA still exists is because Dixie Carter is a total mark who wanted to be in the wrestling business despite having no experience whatseover, and she's more or less starstruck. If anything bad happens to Dixie or she gets bored with it, TNA will be stone cold dead unless someone buys them out. And I doubt someone would be willing to buy them out, because TNA is a money pit.
When wrestling promoters/bookers/wrestlers take a dig at fans who think they could book wrestling, I point to TNA. Because I honestly think fans could book TNA better than the people booking it.
Quote from: GhostMachine on October 12, 2010, 05:26:02 AM
Failed, the thing you have to realize, if you haven't by now, is that TNA is run by idiots.
The only reason TNA still exists is because Dixie Carter is a total mark who wanted to be in the wrestling business despite having no experience whatseover, and she's more or less starstruck. If anything bad happens to Dixie or she gets bored with it, TNA will be stone cold dead unless someone buys them out. And I doubt someone would be willing to buy them out, because TNA is a money pit.
When wrestling promoters/bookers/wrestlers take a dig at fans who think they could book wrestling, I point to TNA. Because I honestly think fans could book TNA better than the people booking it.
The problem is Ghost that the booking for both TNA and WWE is ruined by the internet. I'm sorry but it's truth. I read it best when someone said on another site: "What the heck do you want exactly?" (a rhetorical question in this case, I don't care what you want.)
I get what TNA was trying to do with the "They" angle but the thing was spoiled by internet marks. And honestly, internet marks who think they can book better than everyone ARE amongst the cancer in the wrestling business. They are not true fans anymore, they are whiners in most cases who really are not as smart to the business as they think they are. That's the truth rather you agree with me or not.
Turning Jeff Hardy was ingenious to an extent though I don't think the execution went off exactly as planned. There were a few subtle hints. The bigger issue is that there are several "news sites" and "fans" who hate a mindless hate of TNA because of various factors. They either gripe about how "their favorite star isn't booked like he was in another promotion" or "They hate Russo" or "They hate so and so getting pushed." What most fans don't understand is that NOT everyone can be on the top of the card. Not everyone is going to can get the level of push that this fan or that fan or their biggest fan thinks they deserve.
A clear example of this would be Tyson Kidd, Natalya, and David Hart Smith over in WWE who I happen to be acquainted with all three of. As TJ (Tyson) put it too me a while back, he "doesn't care about the win-loss record that he gets in the WWE, he cares about how the match looked. He cares about how well he and the other guy (or guys) in the ring looked." Another words, even in the matches that he jobs, he has a goal to do in that ring. Another example, would be a guy who use to be with NWA Anarchy named Ace Rockwell. Ace and I were chatting about a match he actually booked. During that conversation, he explained to me that the match was being booked the way it was because of various factors. In this order: The way the fans would respond to it, the way the guys involved should be able to work with one another, and then who was actually being pushed in the match. Now, this is not the way every promotion does it. However, it's a good bet that most fans do not think about all those factors or they over analyze it.
It's fine to disagree with the way a promotion is booking. I've quit supporting NWA Anarchy for the most part over the matter. However, the BLIND HATE for all things TNA is idiotic. The "THEY" group isn't really reflect on Dixie Carter at all yet she is getting the blame for it. It's a Bischoff and Hogan project. It's a project designed to emulate The NWO, of which the copyright is owned by Vince McMahon. Bischoff had gold initially with that concept. However, I don't think he will repeat it.
That said, you are free to "honestly think fans could book TNA better than the people booking it." For the most part, I honestly think and KNOW you'd be wrong with regards to a VAST MAJORITY of the "FANS" out there.
I never said ANY fans could book TNA better. I said SOME fans. And I'll admit right now that I am not one of them.
And I don't have a blind hate for TNA. The problem is the booking has been sketchy way too often in the past, which is why I believe there are fans out there would could book it better. They've done really stupid things as:
Run matches where they ended up completely ignoring the stipulations. (Fortunately, that has only happened a few times, but even once in one time too many).
Dropped angles/feuds with no resolution or explanation why. (Its like `well, this isn't working, so lets just forget about it and hope the fans do, too')
Done heel turns that made no sense in the way they were executed. Example: The MEM angle. Sting was more or less acting like a face while Samoa Joe was acting like a total heel. Yes Sting ended up being the heel and Joe the face throughout the whole build up to the MEM's debut.
And lets not forget some old crap with Jeff Jarrett. Such as that time he fought the members of 3 Live Kru in a gauntlet match and won in a superhuman fashion, DESPITE being a heel. And especially what went down when fans were chanting "DROP THE TITLE!" week after week when Jarrett was the champion. What did they do? They let Rhino win the title....then put it back on Jarrett a month later! And rumor is that when Kevin Nash was supposed to be the opponent in the match (Rhino replaced him due to Nash having a staph infection, if I remember right), they were going to have Jarrett retain! I'm sorry, but when the fans can't even stand your champion so much they chant "DROP THE TITLE!", the last thing you do is keep the belt on them OR put it back on them that fast. That's not good heel heat, its almost X-Pac "Please go away and never come back" heat.
The problem with TNA since Hogan and Bischoff came in - even before, really - is that they're trying to emulate the past way too much. You can only catch lightning in a bottle so many times, and what worked in WCW may not necessarily work in TNA. Fans are going to know that they're rehashing old gimmicks and angles.
Fortune is a good idea, despite a lot of fans crapping all over it as a Four Horseman ripoff. The only thing Fortune has in common with the Four Horseman is that its a heel stable and Flair is involved. Its a good way to push some of TNA's talent, by associating them with Flair who is giving them the rub by managing them, while keeping him from wrestling too much.
But at the same time EV 2.0 and "They" are bad ideas. Most of the ECW guys are too past their prime to be of much use (hence why Kendrick was involved at Bound For Glory, and why certain ECW guys didn't do much of anything at Hardcore Justice), and Fortune beating them up isn't as much of a rub as you'd think.
I agree with you that the internet has ruined wrestling. But TNA's booking has always been spotty and shady. TNA is too much like WCW Lite in a lot of ways, and that's not a good thing (and I was a huge WCW fan, so I'm not knocking WCW). And that comment has nothing to do with Hogan and Bischoff's involvement; TNA was too much like WCW Lite way before either of them were even mentioned in the same breath as TNA.
The Jeff Hardy turn I think is a good thing in some ways, bad in others. I'm not sure he'll be able to back it up on the mic, because lets face it, Jeff Hardy has charisma but he's never had great microphone skills. He's certainly no Chris Jericho, for instance. It won't be as detrimental to TNA as it would be to WWE if they turned John Cena, for instance. I've read people whining that it should have been Anderson or RVD in Hardy's spot, but I just shake my head and ignore those types of comments.
I generally compare TNA and WWE this way:
TNA has better wrestling than the WWE, but is badly booked. WWE has better booking, but tends to shove who they want down the fans' throats rather than pushing who the fans want.
The WWE also seems to have forgotten how to push anyone new/relatively new as a face. Heck, if they ever break up the Hart Dynasty, I'll be surprised if one of them (Tyson or DHS, that is) doesn't go heel and get pushed while the one who stays a face ends up being a jobber or stuck in the midcard if they both stay on RAW.
The thing with putting The Hart Dynasty against each other is that they can work matches with one another. The turn you mentioned is already set to happen.
The "blind hate" for TNA runs across the internet community for the most part. I wasn't trying to direct it solely at you or at you period. However, you do tend to jump on that band wagon. It's an easy one to jump on, though.
The Sting turn with the MEM made sense. TNA knew the fans were gonna cheer Joe initially. Sting knew it. It was easier to get over with the fans that Sting was joining this bunch of "old timers" and have him be pushed away from them by conflicts with Angle. The purpose of the angle was to get over some of the other talent on the roster. The notion being ran with is that some of the talent in question could be gotten over without having to "be dominate in a feud." Was the MEM successful? Not really. However, this can be blamed on guys like Steiner and Booker T than Sting and Angle. And it should be.
How many times has the booking team changed since the Jarrett and 3 Live Cru stuff? That said, Jarrett did go away from the in ring stuff when his wife got sick and eventually died.
As for Fortune and They being a bad idea.
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Forture are a part of THEY along with Hogan, Jarrett, Bischoff, Hardy, and Abyss.
It's not a bad idea at all. As long as...
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Some is turned face out of the group.
That said...
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It might be easier to build a few new faces than needed to turn anyone heel.
I agree with you on Hogan and Bischoff's tactics being predictable arguably stale. However, they are angles and gimmicks that have been around for years. WCW was not the first to use an "out invasion" into a company. The only thing they did different was turn Hogan heel. The thing here is that "They" are not "The NWO v3.0", they are a different thing with different motives. (Will be explained on IMPACT.)
The biggest thing that I have against Bischoff and Hogan is the complete disregard for the Knockouts division. They came and managed to run off three of their best workers with one of those workers nearly filing a lawsuit. They have meanwhile managed to demean the strong women's division that TNA had when they got there.
The biggest reason that TNA will always be seen as WCW light is that they are an alternative for guys let loose from WWE. ROH is becoming one but not in the same way that TNA has been. WCW had worse booking issues than TNA has ever had minus the Jarrett issue you mentioned and that is the ONLY thing to rival the bad booking there. And it's the fact that fans still wanted WCW back that has led to the "blind TNA hate". The fans realized that it wasn't quite what they thought they wanted.
My heavens wrestling fans having a conversation about TNA without it turning into haven for trolls.
I was a huge TNA fan when they got the Spike TV deal. I only had limited exposure before then, I quickly became a fan of Samoa Joe, AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels. I also became a fan of Abyss when paired with James Mitchell.
I was really swerved with BFG I was expecting something substantial, and walked away disappointed.
I admit there is great deal of poison in the water with me regarding Hulk Hogan, Eric Bishoff, and Vince Russo as I view that their booking and presence led to the demise of my favorite promotion in WCW. Eric is a great marketing man, Hulk in his prime was superstar across the universe, and when Vince he had an editor he could really sell an angle. But these guys together do scare me.
I love Fortune, these guys have massive potential and talent, with Ric Flair in a proper role as a manager not a wrestler, this stable could be great.
I totally agreed about the knockouts division, these women made me care a about a women's division because was action and diversity, what it has become is sort of a joke even with the recent addition of Mickie James. The same situation is happening with the X-Division, even with the clinic Jay Lethal and Douglas Williams put on at BFG.
Don't even get me started about the treatment of the Knockouts division. I happen to enjoy women's wrestling - when the women can actually wrestle, unlike most of the WWE Divas - and the state of the Knockouts in TNA is pathetic.
I don't have as nearly many problems with the WWE Divas as I do with the TNA Knockouts. The problem with the Knockouts is that TNA has either run off or let too many of their best female wrestlers go, so that the focus has been on the feud between The Beautiful People. And now Tara (Victoria) and Mickie James are in the hunt. There's also really no point in a female tag team title right now, sadly.
My only problem with the WWE Divas is the unification of the two titles while Michelle McCool has it. Should have waited until either Laycool broke up or someone else was the Divas champ. But I suspect they may keeping the belt on McCool until Beth Phoenix returns. Was disappointed that Natalya won the title match by DQ, so she didn't get the title, but I can understand why. (The two main Divas I don't want to see with the title are Melina and Alicia Fox. Melina needs to be kept away from it because she's injury prone, and Alicia Fox is a walking botch machine)
If you want to see some good women's wrestling, look up Joshi (Japanese women's wrestling) on Youtube or other sites like Dailymotion. ESPECIALLY if the WWE and TNA have been your main exposure to women's wrestling. Most Joshi wrestlers would blow 90% of the women you see on tv here out of the water. (I recommend checking out Manami Toyota, Mariko Yoshida, and Ayumi Kurihara especially.)
Ok, I've followed TNA since the wed ppv days. I liked it as they spotlighted wrestlers I had never seen before. This unknown Talent was using moves unseen before on regular television (SAT's Spanish Fly), Styles Clash and the Siakoples Now. Jarret, Elix Skipper and Shamrock were really the only names I knew of. It suffered a bit with groups like the Dupps, but it was fun to watch. Jerry Lynn, Amazing Red, Low Ki, Abyss, Aj Styles, Alex Shelly(dark AJ) and AMW were awesome. Then Russo got involved and it changed. S.E.X was formed along with XXX. Ron Killings became champion. Jarret and AJ switched roles of face/heel. And Jarrett was getting the god push. I felt that was actually the decline of the good times. Still, I followed it when they did both their moves, hoping for something new. Daniels, Samoa Joe, Robert Roode, Eric Young were all good starts. But we started getting the refugees then as well. Talent from ECW, WCW and WWE started coming in by droves. The original talent that made this company so awesome was now being put in the background by guys from other companies. It took some of the power away from the company. Don't get me wrong, I marked out when Angle's silouette appeared and he showed up at the end of that ppv. I understand the need for named recognition. But look at all the original guys from TNA and where are they in the importance of this company?
Well Survivor Series come and gone ...
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Orton retained Cena was fired but was allowed to make a farewell speech on RAW is he really gone or is this some injury and surgury he needs and will be back in 6 months?
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On Raw Wade Barrett was granted a rematch Nexus jumped Orton before the match and injured his leg. He still won the match but afterwards The Miz appeared to cash in his money in the bank briefcase and is now the new champion
A wrestler has been killed.
Chris Long, who worked in Lucha Libre USA Masked Warriors as Solid, was working as security in a strip club in Georgia this weekend when he and the other bouncers tossed three people out of the club. Unfortunately, they returned with guns and started shooting, and he was shot and killed. He was 33 years old and married with two kids.
Solid was the manager (if you can call a guy who stands outside the ring during someone's matches and doesn't actually do anything a manager) and tag partner of Marco Corleone, aka Mark Jindrak. (The name `Solid' was sort of a joke, as he was fat, not ripped)
Quote from: GhostMachine on November 23, 2010, 09:05:35 PM
A wrestler has been killed.
Chris Long, who worked in Lucha Libre USA Masked Warriors as Solid, was working as security in a strip club in Georgia this weekend when he and the other bouncers tossed three people out of the club. Unfortunately, they returned with guns and started shooting, and he was shot and killed. He was 33 years old and married with two kids.
Solid was the manager (if you can call a guy who stands outside the ring during someone's matches and doesn't actually do anything a manager) and tag partner of Marco Corleone, aka Mark Jindrak. (The name `Solid' was sort of a joke, as he was fat, not ripped)
Chris was a good guy. He and I had a mutual friend not in the wrestling business but I didn't know him personally. I got to hear from the mutual friend a bit about the guy. He seemed like a really good guy and it sucks that this happened to him.
Don't know if anyone follows (or followed) Combat Zone Wrestling (I don't), but...
Quote'Combat Zone' wrestler wanted in S. Jersey bank heist
Inquirer Staff Report
Officials are looking for a professional ultra violent wrestler known as Nick Gage on charges of robbing a bank in Collingswood last week.
Gage, whose real name is Nicholas Wilson, 30, allegedly stole $3,000 from the PNC Bank on Haddon Avenue about 1:40 p.m. Dec. 22, Camden County Prosecutor Warren Faulk and Collingswood Police Chief Richard Sarlo said in a joint statement.
Officials said Wilson handed a teller a threatening note saying he would shoot her if she did not hand over the cash.
Wilson's last known address is Lakeshore Drive in Camden.
In 2005, he was burned in a Combat Zone Wrestling tournament when he was thrown out of the ring into a platform of burning plywood.
In a YouTube video that apparently was supposed to be a public service announcement warning children not to imitate extreme wrestlers, he goes off on Combat Zone Wrestling and claims he was dead for 8 minutes after one bout.
Anyone with any information is asked to call Sgt. William Townsend of the Camden County Prosecutor's Office at 856-225-8400 or Det. Frank Lee of the Collingswood Police Department at 856-854-2401.
Funny thing is, at another board someone posted a picture of the robber and pointed out that it looked like Nick Gage, and we joked about it. I even made a joke about Gage facing two cops in a handicap Handcuffs On A Pole match. And now it turns out it really was him!
And in other news, John Cena suffered a hip pointer injury at a house show that may keep him out of the ring for a few weeks, so I expect an injury angle from the attack at the end of this week's RAW. Big Show has been moved to the RAW brand to fill in for the Cena at the house shows (though I'm guessing he'll still be on Smackdown and not RAW on tv), and they're now doing Edge vs. CM Punk vs. Kane for Smackdown house show main events. Apparently Cena was injured taking Wade Barrett's lame Wasteland finisher, and he reportedly can't even breathe heavy or laugh without it hurting.
That 2-21-11 promo clip during RAW tonight...
That's Sting, right? Tell me it's the Icon finally getting in the WWE before he can truly retire.
It could be for the Undertaker (but that would be kinda lame), it could be for Awesome Kong (I guess) or even Jericho making his 3rd coming (probably not hehe), but it has to be for Sting, I mean it just has to be.
Considering Diesel and Booker T were in the Rumble it could very well be Sting.
Only problem with it being Sting is that he's practically coming in to lose to Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Assuming that it's Undertaker that he is coing in to feud with.
I'm more interested in the story I heard on Undertaker and Barrett (but only if it's true as it involved Taker passing the torch to Barrett) than I am seeing Sting job to Taker for no reason.
However, if it is Sting then he is certainly coming in to be inducted into the WWE HoF. There is a chance that Booker T and Nash might go into the HoF too.
I'm a huge Sting fan, and I'd rather see him come in to team with Undertaker rather than face him. But I see one huge problem with Sting coming in: There's absolutely no way they let him use the Scorpion Death Lock and the Death Drop is actually a fairly lame finisher. Most WWE fans, or even the announcers, would rip on Sting for using Bret Hart's move, despite the fact that Sting actually used it first. In fact, Sting's version is actually the properly move while Hart's is a variation, as it was first used by a Japanese wrestler named Riki Choshu and its original name translates into English as `Scorpion Hold'.
And I thought it was cool that Nash entered the RR as Diesel. Apparently the plan was for him to come in as Diesel the last time he was with the WWE but they had decided against it because the fans already knew he was coming in and they only wanted to go that route if his return had been a surprise. I actually first saw Nash wrestle as Oz (Live; I was actually at Clash of Champions XV), but became a fan when he was Diesel. And Diesel being the lowest drawing champion should be blamed on how he was booked, not on him.
I don't know about Kevin Nash, because I've heard a few different things, but apparently Booker T being in the Rumble wasn't a one time deal. He may be back with the company, and word is he may be being groomed for a possible announcing gig. BAAAAD idea if true. Nash would make a better commentator than Booker T, but the problem with that is Nash would spend more time putting himself over than anyone else! I've always thought Nash could have a bright future in wrestling after he retires from the ring, because he's one of the best wrestlers to work a mic, and could make a decent commissioner, color guy or manager.
Quote from: GhostMachine on February 01, 2011, 04:06:28 PM
I'm a huge Sting fan, and I'd rather see him come in to team with Undertaker rather than face him. But I see one huge problem with Sting coming in: There's absolutely no way they let him use the Scorpion Death Lock and the Death Drop is actually a fairly lame finisher. Most WWE fans, or even the announcers, would rip on Sting for using Bret Hart's move, despite the fact that Sting actually used it first. In fact, Sting's version is actually the properly move while Hart's is a variation, as it was first used by a Japanese wrestler named Riki Choshu and its original name translates into English as `Scorpion Hold'.
Teaming with Taker might be interesting. And could work to with what is being described as a potential problem with Taker being 100% for Mania. But why have his teasers end up on Raw then? Though there are other advantages to Sting and Taker teaming. The primary being that Sting would suffer from coming in merely to job to Taker.
Another possibility is that Sting could face Bret in a Sharpshooter vs. Scorpion Death Lock. Long shot given Bret's health but would be a possibility. Bret would not lose anything by losing to Sting.
nash has signed a legends deal, eg figures dvds games etc. and rumours are he's taking a seat on creative
FINALLY,THE ROCK HAS COME BACK.......to Monday Night Raw. It's so weird to hear a decent promo nowadays. It was like it was 2004 again. Nice that he called out John Cena and they are going to work that program that Cena's been elluding to for years. Question is though, is he really gonna stay and wrestle? He sounded like he was.
He said before that he wasn't going to wrestle again, so it may just end up being a war of words or the Rock being the special ref for a Cena match.
I loved it when he made fun of "You can't see me" and did that voice. Its right up there when he ripped the Diesel gimmick (and I am/was a huge Diesel fan) on RAW when he confronted Hogan, Nash and Hall the night after he beat Hogan at Wrestlemania.
The Rock has come back... and I could care less.
Don't get me wrong, I use to be a Rock fan and still am one more or less. BUT... his coming back to "host Wrestlemania" is not enough to make me want to purchase the PPV or even a ticket to the show and sit in the nosebleeds (as it's in Atlanta).
I'm not sure anything would actually get me to drive down to the GA Dome to the PPV actually.
I might go watch it somewhere like I did last year but even that is doubtful at the moment.
Necro post...Sorry.
I have to say that both WWE and TNA are both really disappointing me with their women's rosters right now, no real diversity there.
TNA's Aces and Eights, this is just a poor man's NWO invasion and has been going on for long enough, time for a conclusion.
Couldn't agree with you more about both women's divisions. I actually think the WWE's is worse right now, but both are pretty disappointing.
Someone taped the episode where the Aces & Eights masked leader had Hogan and Sting held prisoner and made the deal for the match where the stable got access to TNA if they won. They used software to prove that the masked leader was Eric Bischoff.
Which makes me question if they'll go with someone else as the leader when they do the eventual reveal. If they reveal Bischoff as the leader, it will make no sense whatsoever that his son Garrett is a member, considering what Eric put him through beforehand.....unless Garrett turns out to be a mole, which I doubt.
As for the WWE.....
The Undertaker showed up at a house show in the Texas a few nights and tagged with Sheamus against Damien Sandow and Cody Rhodes. There is video out of part of his entrance, and screenshots from the match. He's got a bit of a gut on him but otherwise looked pretty good. Strange thing is, he had his usual entrance but no entrance gear on. He came out ready to wrestle. And yes, he still has the crewcut mohawk.
I like where they're going with The Shield, but Ryback is a poor man's Goldberg rip off. I'm glad they didn't bring him back as Skip Sheffield, but they need to make Ryback stand out more instead of acting like a Goldberg wannabe with a garbage catchphrase ("FEED ME MORE!" sounds like he has an eating disorder. Seriously.)
In regards to the Aces and Eights:
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Bully Ray being involved was pretty much a no brainer. Which was really disappointing at best.
Still think that the women's roster of both TNA and WWE need some life brought back into them, and no,
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the Bella Twins
don't really cut it for me. They weren't that great before, I don't see where bringing them back will improve anything.
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In regards to the Aces and Eights:
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Bully Ray being involved was pretty much a no brainer. Which was really disappointing at best.
The only reason that it was disappointing is that we are in the Internet Age where everything is speculated and spoiled online then griped about afterwards. I find it amusing that the same people griping the most about it are still tuning in the next week to gripe about it further.
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Still think that the women's roster of both TNA and WWE need some life brought back into them, and no, Spoiler
the Bella Twins
Nothing that WWE or TNA does will satisfy the internet fans.
NOTHING And I think because of that, creative has stopped trying and most of the divas have accepted it as well. They have opted to go out and do their thing and to let the fans cry on their keyboards about it later. Meanwhile, Kaitlyn is improving with every outing she has. So is Aksana. Tamina and Natalya are legacy talent. Out of the people you have left, there aren't many who have the experience for Kaitlyn (most notably) to have wins against that mean anything.
And don't give me Beth and Eve coming back. They left of their own accord, on good terms with the company, for their own reasons that had nothing to do with booking. The only reasons that the Bellas were lured back so quickly is that they aren't getting the offers they expected to in the entertainment world AND they are (or were last I heard) dating Daniel Bryan and one of the other stars respectively (don't recall if it is Cena or Ziggler).
As for AJ, she has a defined role. She is running with it.
In regards to TNA, I really am not the fanbase that tunes in every week anymore, I do enjoy the Gut Check though, I think it's an innovative way of bringing in new talent to the roster. I'm just tired of the repetition that the Aces and Eights brings to the game. It's been going on for a long time and I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel so to speak. I also think that they need a larger women's roster to diversify the matches a bit.
In regards to WWE's women's roster, seeing Natalya reduced to being Khali's arm candy is just kind of insulting. As you said, she's legacy talent, with an emphasis on the talent part. I guess I just want to see the women's division return to the strength that it held with the likes of Lita and Trish. In regards to Ryback, his marching shell shocked really isn't a powerful finisher considering the dominance that he's been given, like was stated before, he's a poor man's Goldberg who could be much more. I'd actually like to see the match with Mark Henry though, it looks like it might be entertaining. I never order the PPV's, but Wrestlemania seems to have a decent card going in. I'm assuming that the Rock is going to lose his title to Cena since he hasn't actually been actively competing, and I'm really hoping that it's not CM Punk that breaks the Undertaker's streak.
I also don't wanna see CM Punk break the streak. Speaking strictly as a fan with no ties to the business I don't think CM deserves to break the streak.
Hell, you guys are griping about how bad WWE and TNA are...you should look up Ring of Honor Wrestling...now there's some bad wrestling and all! Horrid, horrid stuff!
Quote from: Deaths Jester on March 20, 2013, 03:12:48 PM
Hell, you guys are griping about how bad WWE and TNA are...you should look up Ring of Honor Wrestling...now there's some bad wrestling and all! Horrid, horrid stuff!
Never heard ot the ROH promotion before, but looking it up, there are actually a few familiar names there, been wondering where Matt Hardy went.
am i the only wrestling fan that has no interest in mania and i'm a major punk and taker mark
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 20, 2013, 10:48:58 PM
am i the only wrestling fan that has no interest in mania and i'm a major punk and taker mark
Nope. Sadly, a lot of my interest in pro-wrestling has been diminishing in recently years.
I'm not too interested, either. Its too obvious the streak will continue, because there would be too much outrage if `Taker lost to someone who is disrespecting the memory of Paul Bearer. And none of the other matches on the card look all that appealing.
TNA's booking has gone south again. The Aces & Eights reveal was disappointing, and the whole lead up doesn't make any sense unless the eventual payoff is Hogan wrestling again. And by `wrestling', I don't mean doing a tag match where he tags in, throws one punch and tags back out. Problem is he's too physically wrecked to actually wrestle and doing the Leg Drop (aka the greatest finisher in the history of pro wrestling) is an outright no-no.
In addition to Ring Of Honor, which Cyber Burn mentioned, I'd advise checking out Chikara Pro. The gimmicks are fun (and sometimes outright goofy), but the wrestling is good.
And take it for what its worth, but it looks like Kharma may be returning to the WWE. She's been wrestling again as Awesome Kong (lost to Eddie Kingston at a Chikara show recently, in fact), and apparently the WWE has trademarked the Kharma name. Personally, I'm hoping she returns at Wrestlemania and destroys whoever the Divas champion is then.
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Quote from: Deaths Jester on March 20, 2013, 03:12:48 PM
Hell, you guys are griping about how bad WWE and TNA are...you should look up Ring of Honor Wrestling...now there's some bad wrestling and all! Horrid, horrid stuff!
Never heard ot the ROH promotion before, but looking it up, there are actually a few familiar names there, been wondering where Matt Hardy went.
Yeah, they got Hardy along with Rhino, Charlie Hass and Shelton Benjamin...and a few other former WWE stars that disappeared but the whole thing is so sad. I mean, instead of fireworks they have what little crowd that attends the matches throw colored toilet paper into the ring. Sad...sad...sad....
For those that want to know what's going on in ROH, seems next week every match they have on the card is some type of specialty match...something about ROH versus SCUM...haven't followed it enough to know what the storyline is but it's seems like SCUM members are ROH wrestlers who've forsaken the honour or some such.
Hmmm, it seems that I can't actually find ROH on TV, bummer.
But I did find CWFH Wrestling, very cheesey, I couldn't watch it very long.
Also found reruns of AWA Wrestling on ESPN Classic (I think), it had some old school Sgt. Slaughter.
Seriously??? Fandango gets a debut match at Wrestlemania??? How does he rate a Wrestlemania slot over all the guys who have already put in their dues with the WWE??? Did I miss something???
I don't even think I want to see Fandango wrestle. The guy needs to be repackaged.
Quote from: Cyber Burn on March 25, 2013, 10:42:14 PM
Hmmm, it seems that I can't actually find ROH on TV, bummer.
But I did find CWFH Wrestling, very cheesey, I couldn't watch it very long.
Also found reruns of AWA Wrestling on ESPN Classic (I think), it had some old school Sgt. Slaughter.
ROH comes on extremely late where I'm at...like 11:30 pm...it wasn't listed in the schedule, I just happened upon in one Saturday night.
Quote from: thalaw2 on March 27, 2013, 08:59:24 AM
I don't even think I want to see Fandango wrestle. The guy needs to be repackaged.
No. He needs to be released. Fandango is Johnny Curtis, who won the fourth season of NXT, appeared in some dark matches for the Smackdown brand on tv a few times, then went back to NXT after that. I don't think he's ever going to be able to get over, so he needs to be put into a tag team, transitioned into a jobber, or future endeavored.
Him wrestling Jericho at Wrestlemania is a joke.....unless its a squash by Jericho that's about as fast as when Sheamus beat Daniel Bryan for the championship, then Fandango is told to go go (aka fired).
Well, I've been watching WWE a bit here and there, Bray Wyatt and his cronies were finally introduced after quite a long period of promotion. Basically it just seems that there's another three man group (Along with the Shield and 3MB) who are around with no real purpose other than to target and beat on other characters. I'm really hoping that these multiple 3-Man teams don't lead to the introduction of a 3 person Tag Team Championship Belt.
I also checked out the premiere of E's "WWE Total Divas", it was alright, kind of interesting to see the behind the scenes look at some of the WWE life.
In regards to TNA, I'm not watching a lot, but:
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I'm not liking the direction that Mickie James has taken, I'm alright with her turning heel, but she just comes across as being really overly dramatic to the point where I really don't care who takes the title from her, just as long as she's no longer the center of attention. Chris Sabin winning the TNA World Heavyweight Title was a joke, I'm glad that Bully Ray no longer has it, because I am bored with the Aces and Eights (And now the Main Event Mafia), but one lucky shot with a hammer to the head after getting tossed around like a rag doll the entire match? I really don't think that he could , or should, keep the Title for long, I am really hoping that after the BFG Series, he loses the Title, if not sooner.
you know, i consider myself a sporadic wrestling fan at best, but i have to say that im a bit disapointed with wwe right now. they have the big "antibully" push going on , and then theyre glorifying ryback as a bully. wth?
Quote from: Amazo Version 2.2 on August 28, 2013, 12:34:42 AM
you know, i consider myself a sporadic wrestling fan at best, but i have to say that im a bit disapointed with wwe right now. they have the big "antibully" push going on , and then theyre glorifying ryback as a bully. wth?
He needs to be sent in a new direction at the very least, as was stated before, he's a poor man's Goldberg with really nothing unique to offer to the medium.
I'm liking WWE Total Divas. I always enjoy fake reality shows as I never could stand real ones. The last time I enjoyed a reality show was Joe Schmo. TD is a good behinds the scenes look at WWE complete with some of the over the top drama that we've all come to love from wrestling. The fakeness of it all makes it really entertaining...so does looking at all the divas.
Oh WWE, what the heck are you thinking...Paul Heyman proposes to Ryback? Seriously?
OK, I've gone back to just watching WWE and TNA shows sporadically, but I'm really starting to get bored with them. I grew up watching these larger than life characters, who have been replaced by a bunch of guys who are really boring to watch. Not to mention the fact that the storylines for both companies are pretty much the same right now, there's no real variety. The women's division for both companies has sunk again, at least in my opinion. I liked WWE's Kaitlyn, and TNA's Taryn Tarrell, so I'm a bit disappointed that Kaitlyn is leaving the WWE, and that Taryn has been absent for quite some time. And lastly, TNA's roster just keeps shrinking and shrinking, disappointing.
I am curious though, I did like AJ Styles, does anyone know what the deal is with him? Is he staying with TNA, or will he be leaving?
With WrestleMania coming up, I figured I would check out the current events in WWE to see who doing what for it.
Hall of Fame Inductees:
So far, we have:
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Ultimate Warrior
Jake the Snake Roberts
Lite (A Personal favorite)
Paul Bearer
As far as matches go the only two that I know of so far, are:
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Batista vs Randy Orton
Undertaker vs Brock Lesnar
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I've always been an Undertaker fan, but he's getting up there in years, I'm concerned that he may not be able to match the physicality of Brock Lesnar. That said, I'm really hoping Lesnar's not the one to break Undertaker's WrestleMania streak.
Soooooo.... Why didn't anyone tell me the Green Arrow has a wrestling match at Summer Slam?
https://www.facebook.com/stephenamell/videos/909280462490555/
The Arrow works in secret, and his secrets cannot be divulged.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on August 22, 2015, 01:30:02 AM
Soooooo.... Why didn't anyone tell me the Green Arrow has a wrestling match at Summer Slam?
https://www.facebook.com/stephenamell/videos/909280462490555/
I belive I mentioned that in the Arrow thread.
And rumor has it that he will be wrestling in his arrow gear.
Poor Stephen Amell,the things he has to do to promote his show.
I heard something completely different... supposedly he's going to be wrestling shirtless, but I suspect he'll come in wearing the Arrow gear for the spectacle.
And Stephen won.Who knew,right?
Well his partner did that insane jump off the turnbuckle and pinned the guy, but it was a pretty good showing. Don't see too many other celebrities doing a la plancha like that.