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[bredon7777]

Come to think of it, yes, he did.  She was in the room when he met with Mohinder, and repeated the conversation to HRG.  Good catch!

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Well, if we are to accept that as an explanation, then thats a big plus for the "two powers at once argument". because IIRC the scene was certainly shot to imply he was invisible when he said it.
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[Gremlin]

See, when I first heard the evil-sounding voice, I thought of one thing: Sylar.  Since Peter's empathic, it makes sense that he might copy emotions and personality traits of those whose powers he mimics (a later danger when fighting Sylar).  So, if he was using telekinesis for more time than he ever had done before, He might've adopted that demonic tone because of Sylar's innate evil sort of leeching through Peter.  Which might be an interesting theme: is it alright to use these amazing powers this guy has collected if when using it you run the risk of going nuts and trying to hurt people?

[stumpy]

Not to poor any water on the two+ theory, which I find compelling, but...

[spoiler]The only time in that scene when I could be sure that Peter was using a supernatural voice was right as he TK-threw Isaac across the room into some canvases. But he was visible at that point because they made a point of showing him turn invisible a minute later when Isaac pointed the gun at him. Of course, I might have missed if Peter used an odd voice later in the scene when he was invisible (he didn't turn visible again until right when Simone started to fall and he caught her). The only thing I heard when invisible Peter was shouting at Isaac was a little echo (and Isaac lives in the sort of loft apartment where that would be common).

Also, this isn't really indicative one way or the other, but it's worth noting invisible Peter didn't use TK or time-stop to save Simone from getting shot.  That could just mean that he was caught off guard or he isn't as instictively fast at defending others as he is defending himself. Or it could mean that certain powers require more concentration to use than others and the invisibility with TK/time-stop is a tougher combo. Or even just that real bullets move much faster than taser bullets (which is definitely true, BTW) and he isn't that skilled yet. Or something else entirely. Anyway, none of those things would mean that he can or cannot use two or more powers at once, but it strikes me as odd that he wouldn't be ready to use either TK or time-stop right away, since Isaac could easily have shot at him by mild luck, just aiming at Peter's voice.[/spoiler]

[Elysial]

Hmm... can't remember where I saw this... old TV guide maybe, but didn't it say somewhere that the dream sequence with the Peter going nuclear was going to evolve?  As in people and things in it were going to change?

[Revenant]

Was that... [spoiler]Linderman?[/spoiler]

*sees previews for next week* Uh... I guess not.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Another fantastic episode!  I think this weeks and last weeks more than make up for the last couple of episodes.  Also changes the general plot quite drastically.

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I think this quite adequately proves the HRG really does love Claire and I think he really does want to be on the good side, but he's now trapped.  He does have the advantage of being able to replace one trusted confederate, the Hatian, with another, Matt.

Now that the Hatian and Claire are out on their own, they'll be more likely to run into the others.  I can imagine her trying to seek out either her real father or Peter.  Neither is really all that safe, though.

This also confirms that HRG has no powers of his own.  Good to know.

And Hiro's father is part of the organization.  That partially explains why his father tried so hard to get Hiro back in Japan.  He's probably afraid that Hiro is telling the truth about his powers, which puts the two fathers in a similar situation.  Fortunately, Hiro hasn't gotten the organization's attention yet.

Speaking of the organization, it's even more creepy now.  Vivisections?  Yet they actively recruit specials, as well as kill them.  I guess they think they're gods or something.

What I hated: the preview, showing Simone standing up and apparently not bothered by the gunshot at all.  WHAT!  What happened to "someone dies?"  Frankly, if they had to kill off someone, she was an excellent choice, for many reasons.
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[Conduit]

Wow.  That could be the best episode yet.

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I love HRG now.  I forgive him for every bad thing he's done so far.  That last scene was so gut wrenching.  I can't wait to see how his bosses react to his actions.  I'm also scared about how much the Haitian took from his memories.

Speaking of the Haitian, he has an interesting backstory.  Also, very interesting about how he reports to someone else.

Ted Sprague's actor is married to Mrs. Bennet's actress in real life.  Kind of puts that whole scene with him threatening to shoot her in a different light, no?

Claire said in an early episode that her parents told her she was adopted when she was very young.  I suppose she considers 12-13 very young.

It's great to see Claude again.  You can really understand his attitude now.

A thought: if Claire hadn't been saved, would Odessa have been blown up?  Maybe future Hiro's actions simply shifted the explosion to a different city.
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[Talavar]

Another great episode...

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I bet that the bit from the preview with Simone is some sort of dream/vision/craziness.  

What happened to Wireless?  Wasn't she helping Nuclear man and Matt?  So Claire and the Haitian (who apparently faked being mute for 14 years, now that's commitment) are on the run together.  If he's going to be on the show regularly now, the Haitian's going to have to get a name and more of a personality in a hurry.

I hope Matt is going to work with Claire's father now; it gives him more direction than otherwise.  

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[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Ah yes, Wireless.  Well, let's just say the comics and the series are starting to effect each other more.  In other words, she left in the comics to do something related.  I'll leave you to read it for yourself.

The series writers are also writing the comics, and they have verified that the events in the comics do impact the series.

[Conduit]

[spoiler]

What happened to Wireless?  Wasn't she helping Nuclear man and Matt?

According to last week's comic, she thought that their approach was wrong and went off by herself to track down HRG's boss.  She followed a string of encrypted emails to a casino in Las Vegas...

EDIT: Ninja'd by catwhowalksbyhimself
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[Nymph]

Im going to agree with Talavar.........
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The Simone thing is seen through Isaac and knowing he just killed her.....he could be seeing
halucinations through stress.....anxiety....and grief![/spoiler]

[The Hitman]

Well...

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Simone's father possibly had powers... athough, I think the writers know enough not to have her develop powers. If she does does, my money's on impervious to things (within reason), like Luke Cage.
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As for this episode...

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Wow. Just... just wow. Ted was so bad at being the bad guy in this, it was almost funny. Favorite line: "I'm not gonna nuke their dog! I'm not fonna hurt... Mr... Muggles...? Guy's got more pictures of his dog than his family." I was suprised to see Mr. Nakamura's involvement. Is he HRG's boss's boss? And finally, Matt has a real focus now. Good.
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[GhostMachine]

Regarding Mr. Linderman, who has been mentioned a lot throughout the series but never actually shown, apparently he's going to be played by

[spoiler]Malcolm McDowell.

Good choice, in my opinion.[/spoiler]

[Shogunn2517]

Hey guys,

[spoiler]If you're thinking Simone's livelihood some sort of product of Isaac seeing things, then what does that say of HRG seeing the same thing with him?  I mean, that was who was with him when he stumbled back...[/spoiler]

And can the comics be found all online?

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

The comics can ONLY be found online.  The show does advertise them.

Anywhere, they're at the official site, nbc.com/heroes

[Shogunn2517]

You know what...

[spoiler]Didn't they say Claude was hiding someone with abilities?  Isn't that why HRG tried to kill him?  I wonder who is this person?  Have we seen them?  If we haven't will they show up later?

Also, you did notice where HRG and Mr. Nakamura met right?  It makes you wonder exactly how much did Simone and her dad knew about what's going on?[/spoiler]

[Gremlin]

Hey, I was just wondering if I could get a favor from my fellow Heroes fanatics.  Since I am cursed with this abysmal dial-up connection, and those comics are way too big for me, could somebody summarize them?  Either here or through PM would be lovely.

Thoughts: [spoiler]Ok, so who's the boss, Takei or Linderman?  What's their relationship, and how much do they know about each other?  How much does Takei know about Hiro's powers?
Who was the Special Claude was hiding when he was ordered killed?
Who is HRG's new partner?  How much did Degauss mindwipe?[/spoiler]

I had a bunch of other stuff, but I'm too tired to recollect it all from my previous conversation.

By the way, anyone who was impressed that Degauss was able to keep hidden the fact that he was mute for 14 years should do well to remember that he successfully kept Mrs. Bennet from discovering HRG's real life for the same amount of time.  Any he undoubtedly slipped up far less than HRG did.

[stumpy]

Good episode.   :)

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It looks like HRG's new partner is Matt. I don't know who the new girl from the lab is or what her power is.

I felt pretty good about HRG after that episode. I may not think much of his methods, but at least he really was trying to take care of Claire and Sandra, at risk of his own life. Also, we now at least know that, if HRG has any powers, he certainly pretends not to (which would be totally believable, given the vivisections and all).

I don't really buy that HRG's boss has no suspicions about him. I guess we'll deal with whatever double-cross that leads to when we get to it. It at least seems like HRG's organization doesn't know about all the specials. They didn't seem to know about Peter (or at least they didn't bag and tag him when they had the chance). They might not know about Hiro.

Which makes me wonder if Sulu really knows about Hiro? I am more and more curious why he would let his son wander around in the US without supervision knowing that his organization is tracking specials and probably knowing that some psycho is trying to kill them. Moreover, if he believes Hiro's story, then Hiro zeroing in on an impending nuclear incident would evoke some fatherly concern, I would think. Of course, it's possible there are other surprises in that regard. For instance, maybe Ando has secretly been Sulu's eyes and ears.

It will be interesting to see what we learn about the Haitian. Does he know much about the locations of the other specials? He mentioned having gotten orders from a higher boss. Do we have any bets on who that might be? A random guess is Sulu or Linderman at this point, but this plot isn't really fleshed out until we have some other higher-level good guy. It seems like the Haitian can suppress Sylar's powers. Can he suppress Peter's? Has Peter been near him?
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[Kitt Basher]

As with everyone i absolutely loved this episode.  I only had one problem with it.

[spoiler]Up to now, whenever the Hatian was around folks couldn't use their powers (except Nathan).  At a moment in the show when they needed that ability more than anything, they apparently didn't even consider it.

So the Hatian is NOT the guy who prevents power use and if it is HRG maybe, that is what he was attempting to do in the house but failed ... or they neglected it for plot movement[/spoiler]

At any rate.  This was the best show yet.

[stumpy]

[spoiler]KB, I have a guess or two. This is just speculation, of course, since we really haven't been given much that's definitive about the Haitian's powers.

Maybe:

• The Haitian can only nullify active powers and not passive ones. For example, Eden's dominance, Matt's mind-reading, or Sylar's TK, but not passive one's like Claire's regeneration or Ted's radioactivity. Of course, Ted can now control his power to some degree, but it still looks like it is on "by default" and he has to concentrate to keep it off.
• The Haitian's power has limits. For instance, by trying really hard, Matt was able to get a glimmer from HRG when he and the fed were sitting outside Primatech (the nosebleed scene). Maybe nullifying Ted's ability is beyond his power.

I still like the idea that HRG has a power. Obviously, there is nothing to lead to a firm conclusion one way or the other at this point, but I think it would be cool nonetheless. On top of which, it seems like he was being a little overly emphatic with his "one of

them" references to the specials, especially many years after he knew Claire might be one and even presently, when he is well-aware that she is one. One way or the other, it seems like an act/cover. At least it's not a father's natural reaction to people who are like his daughter.

BTW, on another topic, the scene where Claire picks out HRG's glasses (HRG's HRG) is touching: we know him as HRG because that's the look that reminded Claire he was her father. Of course, I don't know many people who bring home eight pairs of glasses to try out new frames, but we can let that slide...

Overall, my only problem with this episode was the scene where Ted goes out of control at Rancho Bennet. It was just an inconsistent portrayal of his powers. He was phyisically blowing people away from him, catching stuff on fire from yards away, etc. On top of that, if his powers are supposed to basically be radiation-based (e.g. some sort of fission, as one might detect on a Geiger counter), then everyone in that house (besides Claire) should be really sick in very soon.

(Meanwhile, keeping that kind of radioactive activity a secret is a tall order. The DoE/NRC/DHS/whoever isn't going to accept that this was some random domestic accident like a gas explosion...)
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[thanoson]

Unless the whole town is mindwiped.

[Conduit]

[spoiler]

Up to now, whenever the Hatian was around folks couldn't use their powers (except Nathan).  At a moment in the show when they needed that ability more than anything, they apparently didn't even consider it.

Maybe he can only block mental powers.
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[starlock]

awesome episode,i like the time spent on one story line. [spoiler]great to see the hatian take claire into hiding, i wonder about matt though i am hoping he gets a fair deal,without the hatian who is going to erase his mind or will they threaten him to work with HRG(they dont know he is ok with hrg),anyway might be the best episode yet[/spoiler]

[Nymph]

[spoiler]ummm......HRG has no powers. He works for an organization that
either disposes of or tracks carefully specials.  I doubt he would have powers thats like
a Lion working with a Lion Poacher.

It looks like HRG's new partner is Matt. I don't know who the new girl from the lab is or what her power is.

No...it isn't. The boss did say that he had promise....but in the preview for the next episode..... It shows the Lab Girl asking HRG "Ok...so what's the mission?"

I am agreeing with Conduit in that the Haitian has some....power dampening ability. I am thinking like making their memory fuzzy....like they know they have an ability but the body doesnt know how to use it.[/spoiler]

[stumpy]

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i wonder about matt though i am hoping he gets a fair deal,without the hatian who is going to erase his mind or will they threaten him to work with HRG(they dont know he is ok with hrg)

Good point. Maybe HRG doesn't want to have his bosses know that Matt and he teamed up to deal with Ted, lest the full story comes out, including that he knew about Claire. Then again, he could just tell them that, when Ted started going Chernobyl, it was pretty easy to convince Matt that someone needs to be keeping an eye on people like Ted.

Of course, HRG's boss seemed to have no concern that they wouldn't get Matt to cooperate. Since Matt's ability is one of the best gather enough info to blow the lid off their whole operation, they must have some pretty strong hold on him.

Also, HRG was emphatic to the Haitian that he "go deep" in erasing HRG's knowledge of things that might lead them to Claire. I wonder if HRG's bosses have some other means of psychic interrogation or if he was concerned with more mundane methods? Of course, I don't really know what HRG might know that would lead anyone to Claire, unless he has a list of the Haitian's contacts, hideouts, etc.
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[stumpy]

[spoiler]

ummm......HRG has no powers. He works for an organization that
either disposes of or tracks carefully specials.  I doubt he would have powers thats like
a Lion working with a Lion Poacher.

Maybe, but there is no doubt that the organization does employ people with powers (Eden, the Haitian, etc.). We don't know either way about HRG. Meanwhile, some say, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer." If HRG has powers (which I am not claiming to know), he might be thinking that he is safest working from within, sort of the eye of the hurricane.

It looks like HRG's new partner is Matt. I don't know who the new girl from the lab is or what her power is.

No...it isn't. The boss did say that he had promise....but in the preview for the next episode..... It shows the Lab Girl asking HRG "Ok...so what's the mission?"

Hmm. The in-lab conversation between HRG and his boss makes a strong implication that HRG's boss thinks Matt would be a great partner for HRG. Maybe not immediately, but that was still the gist. I agree that he also makes it clear that the lab girl is going to be working with HRG on whatever cleanup operation is in the offing. Since HRG seems to be the director at least for the Odessa operation, it seems like he works with multiple people. Just like he worked with both the Haitian and Eden earlier.

But, I admit I don't usually even watch the previews. Their main purpose is to titillate and I find that they tend to have too many misleading clues.
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[catwhowalksbyhimself]

About Matt, keep in mind:

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That the organization seems to have no problems with recruiting specials willingly.  I doubt they'd have a problem with Matt's helping HRG, or even the bulk of what really happened.  That would tell them that Matt would be willing to help them, and if he turns against them, they can have him killed or whatever.  Seeing how useful his powers are, it's in their best interest to have him join them, if he's willing.

They also indicated that the Hatian was HRG's partner and that Matt would make a good replacement.

Keep in mind, that HRG said that he needed someone he could trust and that he could trust Matt.  It seems that most of HRG's other friends within the organization that he could trust are dead or on the run (Hatian, Eden, Claire's fake dad) so he needs someone else, and Matt is it.  Plus, it would give Matt more of a purpose other than running around always getting into more trouble.
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[Dr.Volt]

[spoiler]I'm pretty sure Hiro (and thus Peter) can exclude people from the time stop, mainly because of Hope shooting them.  The bullet fired, but then went back into the barrel.  If he had just rewound time, the bullet simply would've gone back, and they still would've been shot.  But if he caused the bullet, and just the bullet, to move back in time, while the gun itself remained in the same time frame, he could conceivably cause the bullet to explode inside the barrel.  Which is what happened.  This incident perfectly illustrates the incredible amount of control Hiro actually has.[/spoiler]

Thought: Hiro's powers involve bending space and time.  According to Einstein's theory of Relativity, guess what else is governed by space-time?  Gravity.  God, he'd be so much more uber.

Wow......good point on the gravity.  I've kind of sensed for awhile now that Hiro and Peter are really the most potentially powerful metahumans on the show.  And if Hiro could master gravity...Whoah!  Look out!

Uhmmm...so, any theories as to why Hiro "needs" the ancient katana for his powers to work?  Do you think it might be a mental block.  So far, most of the powers seem to be genetically based NOT mystical/magical.  I'm not sure why a sword would factor into Hiro's powers in a practical sense.

[thanoson]

Anybody notice in the flashback scene with Claude on the bridge, it looked like the gun went off by itself? 2 times in fact. HRG looked surprised himself.

[Talavar]

Hiro needing the sword is totally a mental block, as evidenced by him subconsciously reversing time to save his and Ando's lives in the episode a week ago.

As to the portrayal of Ted, the Radioactive man, maybe he generates more than one type of radiation.  Microwaves, for instance, shouldn't have any trouble lighting things on fire.  As to people getting knocked away, maybe they were recoiling from the heat produced, rather than being physically knocked away?

HRG's organization employs Specials apparently willingly, though "Work for us or we shoot you" is probably pretty convincing too.  I still lean against HRG having powers; I mean, a couple of main characters have to not have powers, right?