Alaric and Conduit:

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QuoteIt looked to me as though Jessica willingly gave up control to Niki so she wouldn't have to kill DL.

I wasn't meaning that she didn't, I meant that Niki had enough of an influence or pull, or whatever on Jessica that she'd be willing to do so.  In the past she hasn't really cared so much what Jessica wanted and has not allowed Niki to take control like that.

About HRG and the little girl, he did hesitate once he saw that Walker was a young girl, he started to say "I knew it was a person but I didn't know. . ." and was dropping his guard a bit as Matt was trying to get him to stop before Mohinder went and knocked out the guy who was actually on his side.  Then HRG reacted exactly as his experience and training taught him to react, he's using her to keep Mohinder from shooting him, plus he no longer has the luxury of having enough time to think it through.
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Did anyone else notice the FF4- Rise of Silver Surfer plug?

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Candice: I heard you like comic books, so I picked you up a few.

Micah: Oh, man, that's Silver Surfer #1! It must have cost a fortune!

Candice: Yeah...
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They should've had "Shameless Promotion" flashing underneath it.

Well, there was an ad for it during the show, and they have been merciless with the Nissan Versa, especially in earlier episodes.

Quote from: Talavar on May 14, 2007, 09:10:05 PM
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Is it just me, or did Hiro pick up sword-fighting pretty fast?   
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[spoiler]I thought Hiro and his father were in some kind of time-free zone.  It seemed like he could train there indefinitely, and time flowed differently in the real world.  Ando left to attack Sylar because Hiro disappeared for so long; maybe for Ando, it seemed like he was waiting over the course of a day.  But if Hiro was using his powers to warp time, it could have been months...

That was my impression but I did get distracted during that scene, I have to re-watch it[/spoiler]

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Quote from: Talavar on May 14, 2007, 09:10:05 PM
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Is it just me, or did Hiro pick up sword-fighting pretty fast?   
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[spoiler]I thought Hiro and his father were in some kind of time-free zone.  It seemed like he could train there indefinitely, and time flowed differently in the real world.  Ando left to attack Sylar because Hiro disappeared for so long; maybe for Ando, it seemed like he was waiting over the course of a day.  But if Hiro was using his powers to warp time, it could have been months...

That was my impression but I did get distracted during that scene, I have to re-watch it[/spoiler]

[spoiler]If so, they must have had a LOT of food with them...[/spoiler]

Hey there! I love the show and watch every week, but I am wayyyy late getting into this thread. Qucik question that I hope hasn't already been brought up. When did Sylar get cold powers? Just curious, because I don't remember it.

Good episode, I am curious about what people mentioned with Hiro's training. A quick learner, or another time zone kind of thing? Hmmmm....  :cool:

QuoteWhen did Sylar get cold powers? Just curious, because I don't remember it.

WAAAY back at the beginning of the series.  Possibly some time before the series began, in fact.

When Matt and Audrey first show up at the first Sylar murder scene where Matt rescues Molly Walker, they find her father frozen solid, with his head cut open.

Either he had the cold powers already, or Mr. Walker had them.  We know he had to have some kind of power or Sylar wouldn't have done the head thing to him, and we don't know of any other power whose source is unaccounted for, so, although it might not be so, it seems likely that Mr. Walker had cold powers.

[spoiler]So...Nathans dad did have a power. Interesting. Hiros dad must, too. Maybe its to enhance someones training in a really short space of time? :P

I always thought Mr Walker had the cold powers, but who knows how many people Sylar has killed, or what their powers were.

I wonder what Candace REALLY looks like...it seems, in this eppy, that she doesn't naturally look like Candace. I wonder if her power stops if shes killed? And when do people become aware/gain their powers? If Ted obviously hasn't had this ability all his life, but Micah has had his from a (relatively) young age. Candace hints that she was bullied/abused for the way she looks naturally. There doesn't seem to be any rules to powers, which I suppose, given that they only have so much time to film and air an episode, is a good thing. Imagine going into the physics behind Candace and Micahs powers in that small scene alone...heh. And its just oh-so-more comic-booky that way, just look at Green Lantern (I'm being eaten alive by fanboys ARGGGHH!)

Speaking of Sylar...

I'm scared of the boogey man too :([/spoiler]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone else find Sylar a very UN-scary villain?  Yeah, he's a little creepy, but he's this pasty, nerdy looking guy who only has one expression....not exactly Magneto level here.

Quote from: BentonGrey on May 15, 2007, 06:48:11 PM
Just out of curiosity, does anyone else find Sylar a very UN-scary villain?  Yeah, he's a little creepy, but he's this pasty, nerdy looking guy who only has one expression....not exactly Magneto level here.

The first time I saw him without a baseball cap and jacket I was like "oh..."

^_^

Im enjoying the "pathetic" angle they are giving him, a sympathetic serial killer who wants to be stopped.

I think he can be VERY scary at times.  More so because he's modeled in many ways on real serial killers.

The actor who plays him ... not exactly a graduate of the Strasberg school. He doesn't have much presence, creepy, pathetic or otherwise - just bland. I agree with Lugaru, when you see Sylar for the first time out of the shadows ... zzzzzz.

And in terms of character development - the shows writers have all of Sylar's opponents/victims roll over for him, so he doesn't really come off as being formidable to me, just ... unchallenged. He really should have duked it out with

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Ted a little before killing him.

Agreed Jakew, especially about the spoilerific part.

Yes, but all those things make him more real, and to me, more creapy.  Real serial killers usually are quiet, nerdy and not imposing or scarey at all.  Nor do that particularly like to fight it out with their victims. 

Yeah, but his victims have superpowers, which should lead to SOME decent fights.

Quote from: BentonGrey on May 15, 2007, 07:15:47 PM
Yeah, but his victims have superpowers, which should lead to SOME decent fights.

Let's see...

The memory waitress was snuck up on from behind.

The ice guy was also probally snuck up on from behind.

All the hearing lady could do was...hear.

Ted was strapped to an upside down seat.

I don't think that any of Sylar's victims who he has killed had the chance to fight back. ;)

Peter was almost a victim, if not for Mohindar. He fought back.

Sylar's a sneak, and, deep down, a coward. Like most villians.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 15, 2007, 07:03:34 PM
I think he can be VERY scary at times.  More so because he's modeled in many ways on real serial killers.

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That seen on the rooftop with him going "Boom"- I've seen it a dozen times, and I still get a chill every time he does it.

Quote from: BentonGrey on May 15, 2007, 07:15:47 PM
Yeah, but his victims have superpowers, which should lead to SOME decent fights.

They've deliberatley underplayed his otehr victims to set up for the Sylar/Peter smackdown in the finale.

Quote from: The Hitman on May 15, 2007, 08:39:40 PM
Peter was almost a victim, if not for Mohindar. He fought back.

Yes, I know, but Peter was able to fight back, unlike everyone else Sylar faced.

Quote from: kkhohoho on May 15, 2007, 09:06:51 PM
Yes, I know, but Peter was able to fight back, unlike everyone else Sylar faced.

I know. I'm just saying that, if not for Mohindar, Pete would've been the first victim to fight back and lose.

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Something which niggles me about the non-event that was Ted vs Sylar ... Ted had been shown to blow up given the slightest provocation (hurt, angry, etc). According to the logic of the show, Sylar really shouldn't have been able to slice open Ted's head while he was conscious without triggering Ted's powers.

So the set up was right there for a decent rumble ... but the writer's let it fizzle out.

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I'm not a terrorist!
Yeah, right. Next stop for you: Guantanamo Bay!

That line made me cringe. The sheer cheesiness of it. Firstly: There are other places that they bring alleged terrorists you know. There's plenty of other places She sounds satisfied when she says this, when everyone knows the place is known for holding people indefinetely without charging them (meaning quite a few are probably innocent of terrorism), and mistreating them horribly.

Audrey might as well have said: Hoo-rah! I bagged myself a man I'm not sure is innocent or guilty, now I can hand him off to the CIA, to be imprisoned without trial...and tortured!
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I did like the not-so subtle jab at the electronic voting machine fraud...

About the training scene, the first thing I would have done would be: "oh, you're going to train me Dad? That's great, just let me tell Ando I won't be back for a while..." but no, nothing has to make sense on this show...
How did Hiro's dad know he was headed for the sword shop? are we supposed to believe that his dad also owns an out of the way sword shop in NY? The sword guy seemed to be "loyal" to his Takei. I'm sure someone here will be able to come up with an explanation for this, but its just a pattern repeating on this show: characters are able to meet up without explanation of how they knew where said character was going to be, just because the writer said so (remember when Ando met with Nikki? how did he know where she lived??

this show's director doesn't seem to have any respect for time.  The whole training thing, and Ando just up & leaving... reminds me of the time Claire "died" and her body was found that same night floating in the river, and given an autopsy  that same night, and managed to walk back home by next morning.
Yeah, I'm a big complainer. :P

Quote from: EGD Eric on May 15, 2007, 09:29:50 PM
How did Hiro's dad know he was headed for the sword shop? are we supposed to believe that his dad also owns an out of the way sword shop in NY? The sword guy seemed to be "loyal" to his Takei. I'm sure someone here will be able to come up with an explanation for this, but its just a pattern repeating on this show:

The pattern that is repeating is that symbol... It's been seen as a tattoo and it was on Hiro's sword among dozens of other places that I have seen it but not remember at the moment. Ando flipped through the phone book and showed Hiro the ad and pointed at the symbol which seemed to make it fate that peticular store was where they should go. Considering that Takei obviously knew about Hiro's talents and that he figured/foresaw that symbol would lead him to that particual place at that time and give him the final training that he needed.

- CrimsonQuill

Quote from: Jakew on May 15, 2007, 09:27:36 PM
Ted had been shown to blow up given the slightest provocation (hurt, angry, etc).

Heh... you're right. Please excuse my bluntness, but, yeah, Ted would explode if he had a "fart caught sideways." Where was the boom?

QuotePlease excuse my bluntness

You're excused.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 15, 2007, 07:13:04 PM
Yes, but all those things make him more real, and to me, more creapy.  Real serial killers usually are quiet, nerdy and not imposing or scarey at all.  Nor do that particularly like to fight it out with their victims. 

Oh dont get my wrong, I totally consider the character sylar creepy but the actor only conveys 80% of that. But yeah, I love it when he dresses up as his old self, totally Clark Kent looking with the spectacles and maybe a touch of Peter Parker with the sweater. Oh yeah, anyone else catch Sylar in Grindhouse?

About Hiro's dad... I think he's been stalking Hiro as well as you can stalk somebody who teleports and travels through time. But yeah, more than likely had Isacs apartment bugged. Btw... are they ever going to report Isac to the police? His body has just been laying there for like 3 episodes and several days... I guess that's the tragedy of drug users, you get found dead a WHILE after like Lane Stanley.

Remember, it seems likely that Mr. Nakamura has a power and that may have something to do with the fact that he seems to know everything Hiro's been doing.  Even little details, like his loss and regaining of his powers.

Guys- Let's use Occam's razor here.

While I don't doubt that Mr. Nakamura has a power, isn't it far more likely that he's simply paid Ando to keep watch on Hiro and issue him regular reports?

[spoiler]The way Ando behaved in this episode would seem to contradict that.  He was very much opposed to Hiro having anything to do with his father and ran off to complete Hiro's mission on his own rather than let Mr. Nakamura influence him.[/spoiler]