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[Cyber Burn]

Hey guys, what FX do y'all use for Moon Knight?

If you have a visual reference, or some idea of what you might want, I would be willing to give it a try.

[Jimaras8]

Hey guys, what FX do y'all use for Moon Knight?

His arsenal is kinda tricky since it is Egyptian oreinted and there aren't many fx currently for that. I use crescent strike for his shurikens and archangel spike for his scarab darts. Apart from that i use batarang bola for his bolas since there isn't anything else. Maybe you could try tangle wire with that. If anyone else has any ideas i would be happy to hear them.

[Cyber Burn]

If anyone has any pics of Moon Knight's Projectile Attacks (Shurikens, Scarab Darts, or Bola), I would be willing to give them a try.

[BentonGrey]

I'm not too worried about him since I know so little about the guy and am only using him in, like two missions.

On another subject, I've got some odds and ends I could use help with before I finish this batch of characters.

-Would someone mind skoping Gren's Beetle to give him flying melee anims?
-I'm having trouble skoping Powerman's keys.  I'm getting an error, so would anyone be so kind as to rename Luke_Cage_Gren_V2's melee_2_a and melee_2_b into 5 and 5_a and make them both only one contact?

More as it develops.

[Jimaras8]

Benton what kind of error do you get? Can you tamper the other animations fine? I don't know how to change contacts i am afriad. I could rename the animations but it seems strange that you are having a problem. You just tried to reanme it right? Also do you mean Ren's powerman because as far as i know he is theonly one that did multiple versions of Luke Cage. I didn't even Gren had a luke cage mesh. Have you written the missions scripts or you are just bradndin the characters at this point?

[hoss20]

I have flying_melee animations for Beetle that I will send you. I'll set up the Luke Cage keyframes for you. I'm actually surprised I hadn't done that for myself already.

[BentonGrey]

Jim, I did mean Ren's, whoops!  Anyway, Hoss was able to get the animations changed.  I don't know what the deal was, and it seems Nifskope is working fine for everything else, but it would give me an error message that said something about blocks not being aligned or something whenever I tried to save Powerman's keys.

Thanks guys!

[BentonGrey]

Can anyone send me: heroine_afro_nobellbottoms_smallrear?

[hoss20]

It's on its way.

[BentonGrey]

Thanks Hoss!

So guys, I've got a new one for you.  Where can I find the python script that fixes ghosting problems?  I need it for my laptop.

I know that this isn't a skin or mesh, but I figure that folks will see this request here, and it is better not to create another whole thread for one (probably) simple question.

[spydermann93]

I should have all of the files needed for the conversion, Benton.

I'll take a look and see what I have.

[BentonGrey]

Send them my way when you can, Spyder!

So guys, what is out there for Black Cat?

Has anyone made any Spider-Slayers?

Is there any other street-level, Bronze Age character that I should include?

[spydermann93]

You got mail, Benton.

I sent the exact files that I installed and used to get my version up and running.

If you run into any snags, let me know and I'll try my best to help you.

For Black Cat, LP has a great skin (I think the mesh is included) here: http://forceofparadox.yolasite.com/marvel.php

The only Spider-Slayer related character that I recall is JP's "Smythe" over on Alex's Freedom Fortress: http://www.alexff.com/skinmesh_gallery.php?creator=Johnny%20Patches&logo=JP&category=Marvel

As for any other street levelers, I can't really think of any right now, but I'll get back to you if I do

[SickAlice]

I have some real old Felicia's but wow does LP's make mine look like some rubbish then. I'm going to make his my main in game. I'm sort of interested in doing a new take on that now, given I'm up and moving albeit slowly. Maybe doing a version with some fur trim on the costume and little spikes around the choker.

[Jimaras8]

Benton i have a blackcat_fur_cords mesh which is pretty good if you want it.

As for the street level characters if we are talking about heroes Bronze Tiger or Prowler would be a good solution or even Darkhawk.

[Cyber Burn]

For "Street" Level Characters, I would consider:

Prowler
Rocket Racer
Punisher
Black Widow (Maybe)
Deathlok
Ghost Rider (Maybe)
Moon Knight

I'd have to think a little more about the rest.

[Amazo Version 2.2]

For "Street" Level Characters, I would consider:

Prowler
Rocket Racer
Punisher
Black Widow (Maybe)
Deathlok
Ghost Rider (Maybe)
Moon Knight

I'd have to think a little more about the rest.

i'd remove ghost rider, too supernatural, maybe deathlok too, but the rest i think would work well.

[spydermann93]

I'm ok with Deathlok (he does the same type of missions as Cap, basically), but I'd agree about not including Ghost Rider.

He is waaaay too overqualified for street-level missions, even if he does work with hoodlums on a daily basis.

I can't believe that I didn't think of the Punisher! I think that there could be some awesome missions with him when dealing with Crime Lords and such.

[Cyber Burn]

I thought Benton had said he would be using the Punisher for something else, but I figured he belonged here as well.

If time permits (But I don't know if it will), some make shift Spider-Slayers could probably be Skoped up.

[hoss20]

Yeah, guys, I don't know what Benton is using as his definition of "street level" heroes, but Deathlok has the Strength and Durability of characters like Spider-Man and the Lizard, not to mention some body armor also. Plus, he has the fighting skills close to Captain America or Iron Fist. I imagine in a Rumble Room situation, he would completely destroy the likes of the Prowler, Rocket Racer, Punisher, Black Widow, and Moon Knight. I know that there is a variability due to weapons and such, but Deathlok also has a pretty powerful laser pistol.

I'm not trying to be critical, but I know Benton isn't as well versed in Marvel characters as he is DC ones, so I just wanted to throw in something to think about.

I feel really stupid for asking this, Benton, but you've already got Daredevil, right? You could always throw in Elektra, depending on which incarnation of her you would want to use.

[Cyber Burn]

When I think "Street Level", I'm inclined to think of Characters that are more likely to fight Muggers and Bank Robbers as opposed to someone who would fight the Masters of Evil or the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.

But some other Characters to consider:

Cloak and Dagger
Puma
Silver Sable
Solo
Shroud
Sandman (Yes, I would consider him a one-time Street Level Hero)

[BentonGrey]

Thanks for all the great responses and discussion, guys!  This is really helpful.  Let me address a couple of different things:

Hoss, no worries man, you're not being insulting, just accurate!  I've been really struggling with this new batch of Marvel campaigns because, honestly, outside of the Avengers, Fantastic Four, and ESPECIALLY the X-Men, I really don't know Marvel all that well.  I watched the Spidey cartoons and read the early comics, but I've never read any Daredevil, Hulk, Dr. Strange, or the like.  I'm actually watching through the 90s Marvel 'toons now in order to give myself a bit more familiarity with the characters I'm trying to adapt.  While writing a mission featuring Daredevil, I realized I had NO IDEA what his voice is like.  Ha, and I was treading lightly to not just write Luke Cage as a sterotype because I barely know the character.  Ha, I never had these problems with Green Lantern, Flash, or the like.

CB, yep, I do have DD.  He's been in since the beginning of this batch of stories, as I always intended to do a team-up between him and Spidey.

I will take all of these into consideration.  I won't say exactly who I'm using so that there can be a bit of a surprise.

[spydermann93]

Yeah, guys, I don't know what Benton is using as his definition of "street level" heroes, but Deathlok has the Strength and Durability of characters like Spider-Man and the Lizard, not to mention some body armor also. Plus, he has the fighting skills close to Captain America or Iron Fist. I imagine in a Rumble Room situation, he would completely destroy the likes of the Prowler, Rocket Racer, Punisher, Black Widow, and Moon Knight. I know that there is a variability due to weapons and such, but Deathlok also has a pretty powerful laser pistol.

I'm not trying to be critical, but I know Benton isn't as well versed in Marvel characters as he is DC ones, so I just wanted to throw in something to think about.

I feel really stupid for asking this, Benton, but you've already got Daredevil, right? You could always throw in Elektra, depending on which incarnation of her you would want to use.

pfft, shows what I know. After looking him up, he's a LOT stronger than I remember him being.

Class 100 strength (Lifting up to 100 tons), Superhuman speed (running 268 mph), nano-second reflexes ("enhanced human" according to the Official Marvel Handbook), practical invulnerability to all weapons below the strength of a missile, a healing-factor that can replace missing organs, and much more.

Whew, he's definitely no mere "street-leveler"

And for what it's worth, my definition of "street-lever" is kind of screwy.  Most of the time, my opinion of a street-leveler is like Cyber's; pretty much anybody who goes around beating up goons in alleyways and saving a stray baby carriage hurtling down the street is a street-leveler in my book.

Where I start to not consider people to be street-levelers are those beyond a certain point.  At most, I'd say the like of Spider-Man and Luke Cage are the pinnacles of street-levelers.  I get that Spider-Man and Luke Cage are pretty darn strong, but they aren't really capable of being anybody that requires the attention of entire superhero teams (decent-good teams; they don't have to be the Avengers or the Justice League) or one hero who is really powerful (Thor or Superman, for example) to be taken down.

Sure, Ghost Rider might bike around, staring into the souls of hooligans, but when it comes down to it, he's capable of hanging around with characters such as the Hulk and Thor if he so wanted to (not that he'd have any desire to).

I dunno. That's just how I see it

[hoss20]

I was going with the more "old school" version (Deathlok I) from the late 80's/early 90's because I know that Benton prefers this time period. The Marvel Handbook from 1991 only has his strength level at the Superhuman Class 10 range. I figured he had been retconned and/or jacked up like every other hero in the last decade or so. Plus, he's had a few different bodies over the years, so it's a little easier to put his brain in a new model, I guess.

I view the "street level" thing a bit differently. I think we view Spider-Man or Luke Cage at this level because they generally still patrol these areas (the neighborhoods they grew up in) and deal with the standard criminal element. A think a problem that occurs for me is due to the way that a lot of these heroes, and even more powerful ones, are written. Anyone that can lift a bus has more than enough strength to snap a robbers head off with a kick or punch, literally, through his chest. You figure at some point, whether when just learning the extent of their powers or in a rare moment of lost self control, that this would have to happen. I mean, Luke Cage blocking some normal thug's punch would at least shatter the guy's forearm or hand.

Anyway, I didn't mean to derail the thread, Benton. It only matters what your interpretation of "street level" hero is. 

[Jimaras8]

You need to define what you think street level is. If you are thinking heroes who just protect the streets this is somehow accurate. But for me the most accurate definition is heroes who can't go above a group of mugs and thugs in regular basis. They are street-level because the streets are their limit. Well this is actually pretty confining as Luke Cage can wreck a building if he wants to and Iron Fist can deal with dozens of goons in minutes so let's use the first definition.

In that case i think Deathlok more as an operative that takes governement missions than an street protector. Sure in Maximum Carnage ha helped the heroes deal with Shriek, carnage and the others but he doesn't usuaally does that. As for Ghost Rider for me he is definitely not street-level. I read a issue back in the 80s where he took all the Avengers at once and managed to hold his own. I think he is more mystic than gritty.

Some street levels for me  Cloak and Dagger, White Tiger, Solo, Prowler, Black Cat, Moon Knight, Night Thrasher, Shang-Chi.

[spydermann93]

I was going with the more "old school" version (Deathlok I) from the late 80's/early 90's because I know that Benton prefers this time period. The Marvel Handbook from 1991 only has his strength level at the Superhuman Class 10 range. I figured he had been retconned and/or jacked up like every other hero in the last decade or so. Plus, he's had a few different bodies over the years, so it's a little easier to put his brain in a new model, I guess.

I derp'd, again. I was looking at the Official Marvel Handbook, but I wasn't looking at the right Deathlok.

Yeah, you're right. He (Luther Manning, the original Deathlok) does have Class 10 strength.

[hoss20]

I was going with the more "old school" version (Deathlok I) from the late 80's/early 90's because I know that Benton prefers this time period. The Marvel Handbook from 1991 only has his strength level at the Superhuman Class 10 range. I figured he had been retconned and/or jacked up like every other hero in the last decade or so. Plus, he's had a few different bodies over the years, so it's a little easier to put his brain in a new model, I guess.

I derp'd, again. I was looking at the Official Marvel Handbook, but I wasn't looking at the right Deathlok.

Yeah, you're right. He (Luther Manning, the original Deathlok) does have Class 10 strength.

Ha ha, yeah, there's another couple plus a future Deathlok Prime. I didn't mean my comment as a call-out or anything.       I know, for me, that I grew up with so many of these characters and have only have what may be called a passing familiarity with what's going with them now, that it's hard to keep up with all of the changes and upgrades that they've gone through. I guess you saying, "I wasn't looking up the right Deathlok," pretty much says it all. It's hard to keep up with all the different versions of characters anymore.

[HarryTrotter]

Sooo...anyone did those Noir versions of Marvels characters?

[Cyber Burn]

Sooo...anyone did those Noir versions of Marvels characters?

SickAlice has a Noir version of Spider-Man here: http://catman.freedomforceforever.com/pages/spider.html

I don't know of any others though.

Ha ha, yeah, there's another couple plus a future Deathlok Prime. I didn't mean my comment as a call-out or anything.       I know, for me, that I grew up with so many of these characters and have only have what may be called a passing familiarity with what's going with them now, that it's hard to keep up with all of the changes and upgrades that they've gone through. I guess you saying, "I wasn't looking up the right Deathlok," pretty much says it all. It's hard to keep up with all the different versions of characters anymore.

I think I'm pretty much in the same boat you are Hoss. The Characters that I grew up with just aren't the same now. It makes me want to pull out some of my old books just to remind myself of why I've spent most of my life as a Comic Fan.

[BentonGrey]

I think I'm pretty much in the same boat you are Hoss. The Characters that I grew up with just aren't the same now. It makes me want to pull out some of my old books just to remind myself of why I've spent most of my life as a Comic Fan.

CB, THAT is why I mod.  It's also why I collect old comics, but mostly, this is why I tell my own stories.  There isn't much for me in modern day DC or Marvel.  Instead, I try to create a worlds that are more heroic and welcoming.