Who's better at sorcery Loki or Stephen Strange?

[captmorgan72]

Even though Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme I would think that title applies to humans/mortals who are magic users. Loki is a frost giant dwarf from Jotunheim who was raised as a Asgardian in Asgard. He is thousands of years old and has a natural talent for sorcery. Thousands of years of practice/study I imagine would make him far better than a mortal who is around 50 years old.

[thanoson]

Yes, I believe that Loki could beat Strange any time. However, Strange has defeated elder Gods. That right there could make him a little more formidable.

[danhagen]

Much of Loki's magical power comes from his nature as a divine being, whereas Strange's power derives entirely from his knowledge. Loki may be much more powerful, but the fact that Strange can hold his own against Loki testifies to his intelligence and diligent erudition.

[daglob]

Remember too that Loki uses the dark side of the force: quicker, easier, but not more powerful.

[herodad1]

i dont think loki being an immortal would give him an edge.i think it would be who studies the books more.even though loki has more time under his belt i dont believe he actually applies himself like he could.he seems lazy and easily bored.he would only learn what he wanted or needed at the time and always asks someone for a power boost or some mystic weapon or totem to cheat.i'd go with doc.he looks at himself as earths only mystic line of defense and has a rep to uphold so he really has to know his stuff.

[danhagen]

Loki is not merely an immortal, he is a "god." Don't gods by their nature have access to divine magic?

[herodad1]

immortality and enhanced physical abilities are what they have naturally.what they become afterwards is up to them.some dabble in the dark arts,some swordsman ship, ect.some may be able to put an enchantment on objects like amulets,armor,swords, ect but that would be it.you never see balder,fandral, or hogan casting spells or shooting energy beams.just my opinion of course.

[daglob]

Loki is an adopted god, also. At least in the Marvelverse. I imagine he's eaten a few golden apples, so he's immortal, but, beyond Odin and The Enchantress, you don't see a lot of Marvel norse gods using spells and casting bolts of mystic might, much less a shield like that of the Saraphim. Even Thor usues his hammer to call up a storm. I can't recall him ever summoning a storm without it.

Anyway, with Doc and Loki, you aren't really comparing apples to apples (especially since one of the apples is a rotten egg). Doc is a stand-and-fight combatant, and Loki is a throw-a-sneaky-spell-from-behind-and-run-away fighter.

I aggree with those that gfeel that, despite his age, Loki has probably not sutdied as much as Doc. He probably has access to research and materials that Doc does not, but, in a fair fight, Loki would probably make a strategic retreat before there was a definite outcome. And Loki would never fight fair.

[steamteck]

They fought in an early strange story drawn by Ditko and Strange very barely held his own. Now who knows?

[captmorgan72]

Remember too that Loki uses the dark side of the force: quicker, easier, but not more powerful.

I hated that Yoda said that in Star Wars. He must have forgotten that Palpatine defeated him with the dark side of the force.

[marhawkman]

I'm going with Loki. Why? as many have said he has had much more time to learn magic. Also, unlike Strange, Loki has a considerable amount of magic of his(her?) own. Strange mostly channels power from others. Sure Strange has beaten Loki, but it was never easy and he had to borrow power from several others.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Remember too that Loki uses the dark side of the force: quicker, easier, but not more powerful.

I hated that Yoda said that in Star Wars. He must have forgotten that Palpatine defeated him with the dark side of the force.

Yoda and the Emperor battled?  I don't recall that happening in the Star Wars Trilogy...

Dana

[marhawkman]

It was in episode 3. (keep in mind that the "original" Star Wars was episode 4.)

[bearded]

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Image:StrangeTales182.jpg
how did this one end?

[captmorgan72]

I would imagine that Thor would crush Strange. Mjolnir can easily absorb any magic that Stephen can cast at him. Then Thor could just flick his finger and Strange would break in half.

[GhostMachine]

The Asgardians aren't true immortals like the Olympians are; they have to eat those magic golden apples every few hundred years to stop from aging. They even age a bit if they don't eat them in time.

And unless I've missed something, Loki isn't even a true Asgardian; he's a half-giant or a giant who ended up being born human-sized. I forget which.

They way I see it, Loki has centuries of experience, but Dr. Strange has extradimensional entities on his side and was trained by the Ancient One, who was centuries old. Loki vs. Strange should be a heck of a fight, not Loki wiping the floor with Strange.

[AfghanAnt]

The Asgardians aren't true immortals like the Olympians are; they have to eat those magic golden apples every few hundred years to stop from aging. They even age a bit if they don't eat them in time.

And unless I've missed something, Loki isn't even a true Asgardian; he's a half-giant or a giant who ended up being born human-sized. I forget which.

Full frost giant but he was different the rest of his kind. He was smaller but more intelligent.

I would imagine that Thor would crush Strange. Mjolnir can easily absorb any magic that Stephen can cast at him. Then Thor could just flick his finger and Strange would break in half.

Mjolnir doesn't work that way.

[Alaric]

Honestly, I don't think there's an easy way to answer this kind of question. "Better at sorcery" could mean so many different things- for example, who's more magically powerful, who's better at casting spells, who knows more spells, who's more experienced, who would beat the other in a fight or some sort of contest, not to mention the various different types of "sorcery" in the Marvel universe. I will point out, as far as a fight between the two goes, that Dr. Strange routinely defeats beings who are more powerful, more knowledgeable, and more experienced than himself- elder gods, demon lords, extradimensional entities, etc.- it's almost his job description. On the other hand, considering the number of times he's almost been beaten by much less powerful sorcerers (such as Baron Mordo) who had particularly clever plans, and that Loki, when well-written, is a master of clever plans... well, let's just say I can see it going either way.

It's funny how Strange tends to do better against opponents who are more powerful than himself than he does against opponents less powerful than himself, though...

[captmorgan72]

The Asgardians aren't true immortals like the Olympians are; they have to eat those magic golden apples every few hundred years to stop from aging. They even age a bit if they don't eat them in time.

And unless I've missed something, Loki isn't even a true Asgardian; he's a half-giant or a giant who ended up being born human-sized. I forget which.

Full frost giant but he was different the rest of his kind. He was smaller but more intelligent.

I would imagine that Thor would crush Strange. Mjolnir can easily absorb any magic that Stephen can cast at him. Then Thor could just flick his finger and Strange would break in half.

Mjolnir doesn't work that way.

I don't know AfghanAnt, all the sources I am reading from online is telling me that Mjolnir can absorb all forms of energy and redirect it back.

[marhawkman]

Honestly, I don't think there's an easy way to answer this kind of question. "Better at sorcery" could mean so many different things- for example, who's more magically powerful, who's better at casting spells, who knows more spells, who's more experienced, who would beat the other in a fight or some sort of contest, not to mention the various different types of "sorcery" in the Marvel universe. I will point out, as far as a fight between the two goes, that Dr. Strange routinely defeats beings who are more powerful, more knowledgeable, and more experienced than himself- elder gods, demon lords, extradimensional entities, etc.- it's almost his job description. On the other hand, considering the number of times he's almost been beaten by much less powerful sorcerers (such as Baron Mordo) who had particularly clever plans, and that Loki, when well-written, is a master of clever plans... well, let's just say I can see it going either way.

It's funny how Strange tends to do better against opponents who are more powerful than himself than he does against opponents less powerful than himself, though...

I think it's a matter of fighting smarter. Strange knows that against Dormamu he's dead if he makes one tiny mistake. Lesser opponents do not "deserve" such intense focus.

Loki's specialty is misdirection. Loki also knows Asgardian Runic Magic. What good that would do in a fight I do not know, as it has been shown in action too rarely. But it seems to be very useful outside fights.

[BWPS]

I think Loki is better at sorcery and Dr. Strange is better at instants

[Xenolith]

Don't forget that Dormammu is a pretty major bad guy...in his own dimension, and has whupped Strange there many time.  It's only when he tries sneaking into Strange's dimension that he runs into trouble.  Asgard is kind of it's own dimension, so I imagine that Strange could hold his own except in Asgard, where Loki would have the edge.

Strange is the Sorcerer Sumpreme of this dimension, so that tells me there are few better than him, even gods.