It seems that WB is going full production with a movie version of the Suicide Squad starring none other than Will Smith...and a cast of other people who have little to do with Arrow. Why is it that cast of Arrow can't be used in the big production? Is there a track record that proves that small screen actors can't play the same role on the big screen? It worked for the original Star Trek movies to keep the original cast...right?
Full article (https://tv.yahoo.com/news/suicide-squad-cast-revealed-011523110.html)
I think it's out of a perverse desire to keep good actors who are already familiar with the roles from portraying popular characters.
Also, am I the only one going wtf from the fact that Joker is apparently in the Suicide Squad?
Quote from: Tomato on December 03, 2014, 05:42:11 AM
Also, am I the only one going wtf from the fact that Joker is apparently in the Suicide Squad?
I'm thinking more of them having Joker starting there in flashbacks with Harley Quinn and then using him in the Batman/Justice League movies if he knocks it out of the park with his performance.
- CQ
QuoteWhy is it that cast of Arrow can't be used in the big production?
I've watched Arrow from the start and I couldn't tell you the name of the actor who plays Deadshot.
Casting name actors for big budget films is just part of the movie biz.
That said ... Ostrander's Suicide Squad is my favourite DC comic run, and this film doesn't really interest me. I don't like any of the actors (and model), generally, and I don't like them for the roles they are playing. Will Smith is getting a bit long in the tooth for Deadshot, and his casting would indicate Deadshot is the central character. Snore. I don't think director David Ayer has ever worked on a film which hasn't suffered serious flaws. I rolled my eyes a lot during "Fury". And if Oprah is cast as Amanda Waller ... yeeeesh. I think Oprah could potentially do a great Waller, but there is no way I see her allowing herself to play such a ruthless role unless it is watered down.
My ideal cast would have been something like:
Deadshot - Vincent Piazza
The Joker - Joseph Gordon-Levitt
Rick Flag - Jai Courtney
Captain Boomerang - Bryan Brown
Harley Quinn - Margot Robbie if you want to go sexy, Ksenia Solo if you want to do the impish, clothed version
Enchantress - Eva Green
Count Vertigo - Mads Mikkelsen
Bronze Tiger - Wesley Snipes (if he can still handle action scenes)
Waller - CCH Pounder
With cameos from Jesse Eisenberg as Luthor, Will Smith as Black Manta, Dwayne Johnson as Black Adam and some monkey as Grodd
Cicely Tyson would be my ideal Amanda Waller. She still looks good at 80 years old and I'm sure she could act the part.
Like Starman I'm not excited about this movie. I like Will Smith, but I can't help feeling that he's out of place as Deadshot. That said, Janet Hubert would make an excellent Amanda Waller too.
I never read much of the Suicide Squad stories and I'm mostly familiar with them through Arrow. The actors in the series did a good job and those were some of my favorite episodes.
Really playing up the most common marketability angles here but that's not out of place. Really no interest peaked here either at this point and sad since I really enjoy SS and the characters in the roster.
Ksenia Solo works period for Harley. So I like Starman's suggestion. Also like the idea of Bryan Brown as Captain Boomerang.
I do not think using the Joker in the movie is a good idea, unless he's the big bad they're going after. Because you just know that he'll turn on them asap if he's on the team.
This is interesting but I'm not that excited yet.
I'm really curious about Will Smith as Deadshot. Doesn't really seem like a Will Smith character, but maybe I'm just thinking about his more comedic roles.
I actually like the potential of the Joker being in it. Could add a little extra to the story, but it all depends on how they play it.
Starman I like your casting. It would be especially neat to see Gordon-Levitt as Joker.
I'm really excited about this one even though it's DC. I do hope Joker isn't on the squad but rather the antagonist.
Quote from: Podmark on December 12, 2014, 04:05:30 AM
It would be especially neat to see Gordon-Levitt as Joker.
Agreed, always thought he could have been a good replacement for Heath Ledger in DKR. Good casting choice for the most part. Like most, not sure about Will as Deadshot. I get the inclusion of The Joker, you need a big name villain in there to generate interest. Very risky movie to be made all in all, looking forward to seeing how they look. Agreed with Starman that CCH Pounder would be perfect Amanda.
As for Oprah
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I'm cautiously interested in this incarnation of the Suicide Squad.
I hope they really take a lot of the thematic source from Ostrander's run, but I'm certain it will be Nu52 inspired. *sigh*
The choice of including Enchantress onto the roster has kind of blown me away, in a good way.
I was thinking the same thing about the Joker. Above all else they're definitely working the core concept which is villains having to do the work of good guys albeit the dirty jobs. The problem of course is not many of DC's bad guys have actual been established to the world audiences in the current cinematic timeline and of those not many who would work in the position. And they need a known face in there lest the audience, most of whom do not read comics ends up with a " Who? " running across their face. It's out of place from my perspective but like yourselves as a comic enthusiast nearly every superhero based movie always contains proponents that are. The thing that makes me a little " eh " about it is the aforementioned marketability angles I see. Which is mainly the specific cast. That cast to me represents two things: The kind of names that grab headlines and will make people talk about the film, not because of what the film is about or what it's based on but because most of these stars are talked about people (Smith a gross example really) and the other is sexiness, going for the sleek and attractive design which works both the approval ratings as well the merchandise aesthetic of course. My experience is that the harder those angles are driven the more likely we see a flimsy story and production at game time. That's what kind of put's me in a bad frame of mind about it. Not that I'd rather it dismissed either. The more superhero entities that make it into households the better for the brand and thus the craft I say, regardless of how shoddy it's handled and in the end that will only contribute to the longevity of the original art form I adore.
Looks like Viola Davis is the front runner for Waller now.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57846
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Someone made a gif from the 3 stills. Creepy :o
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From David Ayer
The Suicide Squad wishes you a Happy Anniversary Mr. J! #Joker75 #SuicideSquad @WarnerBrosEnt @DCComics
Edit:
Zack Snyder tweeted this:
Ha ha ha, the joke's on you Batman... #cryptic #75th
Looks like this photo is for Joker's 75th anniversary. So it's not the official look for Suicide Squad.
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Yeah, OK, that's pretty cool. I wasn't caring for some of the teasers up to now, but that looks OK.
Are you kidding me? :doh:
Let's just wait and see. This could be a promo for Joker's 75th. The only thing we can take from this, is the shade of green hair and perma white skin.
Quote from: Midnite on April 25, 2015, 07:58:48 PM
Let's just wait and see. This could be a promo for Joker's 75th. The only thing we can take from this, is the shade of green hair and perma white skin.
The photo WAS posted by the DC Production team for the Joker's 75th Anniversary (they even stated as such in the twitter post that the photo appeared with) but almost everyone instantly ran with that photo as the Suicide Squad Joker reveal because it was from David Ayer (Director of Suicide Squad). I'm pretty sure it was just testing ideas for Jokers look in the makeup trailer and they decided to go for the extreme for the anniversary tease just to watch everyone on twitter freak out.
Here is the actual text of the twitter post:
QuoteThe Suicide Squad wishes you a Happy Anniversary Mr. J! #Joker75 #SuicideSquad @WarnerBrosEnt @DCComics
- CQ
I mean... does it really matter? Not to be mean, but what's important here is the face, since 90% of the rest is probably going to be covered up by whatever outfit he's in anyway. If I'm bothered by anything, it's that stupid all white suit you can see him wearing in the camera shots... it was stupid looking in TDKR, it's stupid here too. Give the man some damn purple!
But yeah, based on the face alone... probably the closest live action Joker has been to the comics ever. I love that hair.
It says "damaged" on his forehead. It definitely matters and it's definitely stupid. I don't mind them doing something different, but this Juggalo thing is so lame.
Must I remind everyone that while people are crying "FOUL! WRONG! It's a Juggalo!" that those tattoos are just drawn on or applied stencil work that can be removed or changed once they start filming actual scenes.. AND NOT PERMANENTLY TATTOOED ON LETO'S BODY FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE!
*deep sigh*
I have not seen this much freaking out over weird makeup since folks started staying that Heath Ledger looked like he applied his Joker makeup in the dark and used crummy spray coloring on his hair... Oh wait.
and it's not like Joker has never had Tattoos before in the comic version either..
(http://www.flickeringmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/AllStarBatmanRobinTheBoyWonder8OtherCovers.jpg)
I'm just thinking IF Joker had tattoos would he be vein enough or crazy enough in his years stuck in Arkham after Batman retired to just go all fan boy just to relish all of the artistic versions of his legacy that might be shown in street art, comics, and the media. After all Joker in The Dark Knight Returns just loved his former fame as a villain before he lost everything he enjoyed by taunting his arch-enemy.
- CQ
Looks like the tattoos will not be in the movie. I'd like to give a big thanks to all the people who created a backlash against the horrible idea, myself included, for making them change it.
Source for that BWPS? I can't find any articles to corroborate.
Also, CQ... not that I'm opposed to your point of view (I agree that this whole thing smells of Heath Ledger hate all over again, and people need to calm down), but perhaps pointing out a version of the Joker that looks and acts nothing like he does in any other book, in a series universally panned by critics, doesn't help your case very much.
http://moviepilot.com/posts/2015/04/26/calm-down-the-joker-will-not-have-tattoos-in-suicide-squad-2887773?lt_source=external,manual,manual,share_fb,manual,manual,manual
Coolio. While I didn't mind them, it was a bit much.
But seriously though, Suicide Squad guys? PURPLE. SUIT.
Yeah, I'd say the reactions were pretty well justified because of 1) how incredibly stupid and desperately "edgy" the design was, 2) how indicative such would be of what we have seen and continue to see from DC movies, and 3) the quality and faithfulness (or lack thereof) of the previous DC productions. Marvel has earned the benefit of the doubt like crazy-go-nuts, but DC, or rather WB, has me quite ready to believe any such bad ideas.
Meet the Suicide Squad!
(from left to right) Adam Beach (Slipknot), Jai Courtney (Boomerang), Karen Fukuhara (Katana), Cara Delevingne (Enchantress), Joel Kinnaman (Rick Flag – with ONE 'g'), Margot Robbie (Harley Quinn), Will Smith (Deadshot), Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Killer Croc) and Jay Hernandez (El Diablo)
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Well that's...disappointing. Katana and Croc (to a lesser extent) are the only ones who are even vaguely recognizable. Also, Will Smith as Deadshot? Really? I love Will Smith, but I can't think of too many characters who he seems like a worse fit for. I think he'd make a really good Mr. Terrific II.
Boomerang is another former cast member of Spartacus.Is that a theme now?
60 seconds on the clock...bing!
- Dark Reign Thunderbolts: The Movie
- " Thug Life " is stenciled on the backs of all their jackets
- Will Smith mouth was saying " Really interested in the complex and layered Deadshot character yada yada ", face here " Damn. I suppose whatever keeps my aging self in the spotlight and as relevant as possible. I mean have you seen Madonna these days? The 80's, amiright? "
- Brought to you by Carls Jr.
- When the company is spending all the overhead on Superman and Justice League you work with whatever they give you and Pure Atlanta has left over on the valance shelf.
- Everyone's face is saying " Shoulder pads and straps. The 80's, amiright? "
Time.
There is a good wealth of qualified talent in this movie to it's credit so hopefully that will make it interesting. Else as we're just going by a visual here I think the style is garish and flat, sorry.
Croc looks great. I see that they are going for arkham games vibe with Harley, but not a fan of the look. Boomerang didn't look like himself on The Flash either, but if the actor can pull it off, it can work, like it did there. Not a fan of the jacket on Katana, hopefully she wears something else for missions.
Also deadshot looks cool in full getup IMO, still think Will Smith is a weird choice though.
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I can't get it out of my head :banghead:
Killer Croc reminds me so much of Electro from Spidey 2
Behind the scenes: http://www.bttoronto.ca/videos/4220265358001/
Hmm... maybe I should visit the set. :ph34r:
Quote from: JeyNyce on May 04, 2015, 04:12:30 PM
I can't get it out of my head :banghead:
Killer Croc reminds me so much of Electro from Spidey 2
:bandwagon
Urg...the more I see it, the more I hate Harley's look. They've completely lost the concept. How does clown equate to biker chick?
I'm one of those " Harley Hardcores " so I stick by pretty much anything they do with the character even if it doesn't make me do backflips. As long as the character gains more notoriety I'm for it. That said the more I see it the more I'm grimacing Benton. She looks like a fangirl at a Papa Roach concert. Nothing against them but that doesn't " say Harley ". I'm sold that this movie really does have some sort of contract with a specific clothing design company and is advertizing their product. It's a WB movie though that wouldn't be a shocker. No more than when I watch it and see a dragged out scene featuring some huge soda/Subway/IHop advert on the screen.
Because comicbooks are unrealistic,and thus everyone must wear black leather,or something like that??
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http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/watch-jared-leto-margot-robbie-domestic-argument-scene
Leto's body language/ mannerisms is perfect.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 11, 2015, 03:22:21 AM
Urg...the more I see it, the more I hate Harley's look. They've completely lost the concept. How does clown equate to biker chick?
Is that who she's supposed to be?!?!?! The look is so far off that I didn't even suspect. I thought she was someone else. I was waiting for the Harley pics to be released. You're right about the concept being lost.
Okay, So we get one of her outfits in the Suicide Squad group shot... and suddenly folks are up in arms going "THIS ISN'T *MY* HARLEY! OMG! THEY RUINED HER FOREVER!!!!!!"...
Yet, We have gotten word that she has 8 to 10 different costume looks in the film... and they are gotten from ALL of her various looks in comics, cartoons, and even video games...
So, let me pull up a visual list...
(http://media1000.dropshots.com/photos/1006240/20150518/b_231152.jpg)
Okay, THAT'S quite ALOT of looks from over just 15 years or so in several different incarnations. Yet the moment she isn't in her traditional female Jester outfit without holding her sledgehammer or popgun, it's rant time.
Oh, Plus her look in that group shot.. It's kinda similar to her current 52 look with her sexy hot pants and cleavage showing tops. Course lest I forget, Thanks to Convergence.. That's probably going to be changed back to her classic looks.. so let's pretend that never happened. *uses Men In Black memory eraser on himself*
*sigh* I give up!
- CQ
Quote from: crimsonquill on May 19, 2015, 03:19:40 AM
Course lest I forget, Thanks to Convergence.. That's probably going to be changed back to her classic looks.. so let's pretend that never happened. *uses Men In Black memory eraser on himself*
It won't. Harley is still in her new 52 outfit post covergence. Convergence is really not rebooting anything (it's just a filler event after all), any potential changes to characters are due to events in their own books. And while I'm not a huge fan of Harley's movie look, when you take arkham games and new 52 in consideration, it's really not that far off.
Quote from: bat1987 on May 19, 2015, 11:52:02 AM
Quote from: crimsonquill on May 19, 2015, 03:19:40 AM
Course lest I forget, Thanks to Convergence.. That's probably going to be changed back to her classic looks.. so let's pretend that never happened. *uses Men In Black memory eraser on himself*
It won't. Harley is still in her new 52 outfit post covergence. Convergence is really not rebooting anything (it's just a filler event after all), any potential changes to characters are due to events in their own books. And while I'm not a huge fan of Harley's movie look, when you take arkham games and new 52 in consideration, it's really not that far off.
I thought that Convergence was mixing some of the nu52 and their post-Crisis/pre52 counterparts together, kind of like what Marvel is doing with Secret Wars. I could be horribly mistaken, though :P
Guys, can we set the Harley discussion aside and talk about the REAL travesty in costume here? Joker wearing the stupid white suit from tdkr. The Joker without color in his attire irritates the heck out of me.
Quote from: spydermann93 on May 19, 2015, 04:48:16 PM
Quote from: bat1987 on May 19, 2015, 11:52:02 AM
Quote from: crimsonquill on May 19, 2015, 03:19:40 AM
Course lest I forget, Thanks to Convergence.. That's probably going to be changed back to her classic looks.. so let's pretend that never happened. *uses Men In Black memory eraser on himself*
It won't. Harley is still in her new 52 outfit post covergence. Convergence is really not rebooting anything (it's just a filler event after all), any potential changes to characters are due to events in their own books. And while I'm not a huge fan of Harley's movie look, when you take arkham games and new 52 in consideration, it's really not that far off.
I thought that Convergence was mixing some of the nu52 and their post-Crisis/pre52 counterparts together, kind of like what Marvel is doing with Secret Wars. I could be horribly mistaken, though :P
Oh it is, but the aftermath of it is back to business as usual (new 52 continuity, eventhough the books are not labelled as such anymore).
Ya I'd rather they went with classic purple with the joker for sure. I don't neccesarily hate the DKR suit, but not a huge fan either. But like midnite said his body language is spot on!
Quote from: Tomato on May 19, 2015, 04:53:52 PM
Guys, can we set the Harley discussion aside and talk about the REAL travesty in costume here? Joker wearing the stupid white suit from tdkr. The Joker without color in his attire irritates the heck out of me.
So, Harley gets 8 to 10 outfits for all her looks.... and Joker has one outfit in his wardrobe and it's a white suit. Apparently he has a very small wardrobe that fits in his glove compartment. Guess it makes it cheaper for his costuming.
OF COURSE Joker is going to have multiple outfits!!!! *facepalm* Why? So they can cover all of his various Joker looks as well.
- CQ
Quote from: bat1987 on May 19, 2015, 05:39:16 PMOh it is, but the aftermath of it is back to business as usual (new 52 continuity, eventhough the books are not labelled as such anymore).
I might be misunderstanding you, or I might have not been clear in my original statement, but what I meant is that I thought that some of the personalities of the post-Crisis characters would be carried over to their nu52 counterparts. Not complete personality changes, just a few adjustments here and there.
Are the Earth 1 (or is it Earth 0? I can't remember! :wacko:) characters involved in Convergence at all, or is it all "other world" characters. I know that Earth 2's heroes are the "stars" of this event, so I guess I'm just a bit lost on whether or not Convergence is affecting the main Earth. If it isn't, then I definitely know that I'm wrong about the personality thing :P
Since BvS partialy adapts DKR,I guess it makes sense to have Frank Millers Joker in the same universe...and yeah,that does sound bad.
Yeah,Convergence will affect Earth 0 with the whole soft reboot in June.Divergence event that spawns new titles etc....Earth 1 actually isnt involved IIRC.
I don't like anything I've seen about this movie so far except Will Smith. And that doesn't exactly fill me with the same excitement that it did in 1997.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raE2XfnalP4
:thumbup: He can move his head side to side easily. :cool:
Oh wow, did not expect that. Very nice. I'm assuming this is the beginning of the movie and shows how Joker and Harley end up in prison.
The Bat costume looks pretty good, though I'm guessing there are some CGI elements to be added, which is odd.
Ya I think it's weird that they are gonna use CGI for the cape.
Quote from: bat1987 on May 29, 2015, 12:51:32 PM
Ya I think it's weird that they are gonna use CGI for the cape.
The scene is supposed to be Joker & Harley speeding away from Batman with him eventually landing on the roof and cutting his way in. They are NOT going to have a stuntman clinging on during breakneck speed so they just film it during safe speeds using a high frame rate then digitally add the flapping cape. (Try making a practical bat-wing cape look awesome only going 10 MPH without aiming giant fans to get the flapping and still not getting the cape to expand or flap correctly).
- CQ
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 29, 2015, 12:50:01 PM
The Bat costume looks pretty good, though I'm guessing there are some CGI elements to be added, which is odd.
Quote from: bat1987 on May 29, 2015, 12:51:32 PM
Ya I think it's weird that they are gonna use CGI for the cape.
They tried the cape the first night of filming. Probably dropped it because it didn't look great on film and/or safety concerns for the stuntman.
As you can see from here
https://instagram.com/p/3MolGIOUuU/
Car chase scene
https://instagram.com/p/3QaiNdLi-o/
The Batsuit looks so awesome!
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Digitally adding in the cape is nothing new. They did it with MoS with Superman, they've done it with Thor in the Marvel movies, etc. They even considered doing it in TDK, but for whatever reason the batpod happened to cause the cape to flow out behind the bike perfectly.
And let us not forget Spawn....talk about heavy CGI
Hmm, I didn't know that about Superman and Thor. Weird.
Also, the suit does look good...except, he's missing something, and I don't mean his cape. :P
The color blue?
Well, if he had trunks, then what would be preventing the joker from making a joke about......
................. Getting caught with his pants down.
#IllBeHereAllWeek
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on May 29, 2015, 08:05:26 PM
Well, if he had trunks, then what would be preventing the joker from making a joke about......
................. Getting caught with his pants down.
#IllBeHereAllWeek
:banghead:
:D
Quote from: Tomato on May 19, 2015, 04:53:52 PM
Guys, can we set the Harley discussion aside and talk about the REAL travesty in costume here? Joker wearing the stupid white suit from tdkr. The Joker without color in his attire irritates the heck out of me.
In all honesty, I don't mind the white suit. It's a change of pace for the live action medium, it discourages Ledger comparisons (which I'm sure they want to do to begin with), and personally I really enjoyed Micheal Emerson's version of the character in the animated DKR, so I'm kinda pro-white suit at this point.
Not disagreeing with you on the importance of Joker's purple and green though, but here's a different point of view. While re-watching Fullmetal Alchemist, I read a comment from the creator re: a charismatic villain who wore a white suit. They said that there's something about a guy in a white suit that just makes him seem sleazy. I just thought that was a interesting way to look at it.
I also expect Joker will be in captivity for most of the movie, Hannibal Lector style, so it might make more sense then.
As for Batman, I think it's really cool that he's going to be in it. Reminds me of Assault on Arkham, and I imagine his presence will help sell movie tickets (and I also expect they'll make a point to show him in the trailers and tv spots. They did the same thing for Downey Jr. in Incredible Hulk)
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/compare-suicide-squad-movie-versions-to-their-comi/1100-152762/
I thought that this was a fun little article to share.
SDCC Suicide Squad leaked teaser.
Edit: new link, don't know how long its going to last.
https://vid.me/NHC9
Suicide Squad - Comic-Con First Look [HD]
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLQK9la6Go)
Still not sold on Will Smith as deadshot. Margot Robbie seems really good from what i can tell. Joker is creepy, def seems closer to comics in behaviour than DK version. Could have gone without the tattoos and those teeth thugh. All in all you don' get to see much, but I liked it.
Quote from: bat1987 on July 14, 2015, 07:58:37 AM
Still not sold on Will Smith as deadshot. Margot Robbie seems really good from what i can tell. Joker is creepy, def seems closer to comics in behaviour than DK version. Could have gone without the tattoos and those teeth thugh. All in all you don' get to see much, but I liked it.
Yeah. You know I thought it could something that could be overlooked. I mean we've hardly seen Deadshot given that much character in life. But everytime I hear his voice, see him hugging anyone(let alone a child), and hear "let's go save the world", I'm like WTH?? It's Will Smith and the Suicide Squad. Not even Deadshot. Will Smith and the Suicide Squad. Will Smith isn't coming off as a criminal, a bad guy or killer. He's... likable. Will Smith is likable. Never pictured Deadshot as likable.
I really didn't consider Deadshot likable either until I saw Assault on Arkham. He was a jerk, but he was a jerk with a kid and that kinda made him likable.
Deadshot is likable.Secret Six anyone?
There was also Christos Gage's Deadshot miniseries, which focused on his relationship with his daughter and her mother and made him more relatable.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on July 16, 2015, 02:09:54 PM
There was also Christos Gage's Deadshot miniseries, which focused on his relationship with his daughter and her mother and made him more relatable.
Oh yeah,Bulletproof.Also,good. :thumbup:
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on July 16, 2015, 07:04:39 AM
Yeah. You know I thought it could something that could be overlooked. I mean we've hardly seen Deadshot given that much character in life. But everytime I hear his voice, see him hugging anyone(let alone a child), and hear "let's go save the world", I'm like WTH?? It's Will Smith and the Suicide Squad. Not even Deadshot. Will Smith and the Suicide Squad. Will Smith isn't coming off as a criminal, a bad guy or killer. He's... likable. Will Smith is likable. Never pictured Deadshot as likable.
On the topic of Will Smith, I'm not writing him just yet, but I (and a few others online) were kinda hoping he was going to be this intense, methodical sniper-type performance that you usually don't get to see in Smith's popcorn movies. But going off the trailer, it definitely seems like he's (to paraphrase Brian Clevinger) "The Fresh Prince in the Suicide Squad". It does kinda seem like he's there to give this mild gamble of a DC movie the extra star power it might need (see also: Batfleck). I'll say this, he's got more presence than the guy from Arrow, but that's not saying a lot. Not a big fan of Micheal Rowe's Deadshot.
What do I think of the trailer? Why, other than Juggalo Joker's visual look, I really like it. I'm really biased toward Suicide Squad, but it seems like all the pieces are in place. Waller looks like she'll be awesome, Harley seems promising, I'm kinda dying to see that car chase scene as is in the final movie, and while Joker looks weird, the actor looks like he's going to give an intense performance. Jay Courtney as Captain Boomerang is exactly what I was expecting though, that is to say, he sucks.
I've actually been waiting on a trailer for this thing for what feels like a year now, and it didn't disappoint.
Will Smith is easily the biggest pitfall for me here. That whole "let's go save the world" line is just silly, and Will's delivery just makes him come off more as "Will Smith, the likable hero" rather than Deadshot. A friend of mine tried to say it's meant to be sarcastic, but no, that is EXACTLY how Smith is playing the character.
Everything else though? Pitch Perfect. Joker's attire could be better, but I like the performance, and Harley's pretty amazing as well.
Will Smith's problem is that he's too likable, and a comes off as a nice guy/ pretty boy. If Will try to be mean and a thug people would go"Aww ain't that sweet"
Ehh, Harley seems TOO nuts to me. She's Harley, not the Joker. I agree about Smith, though. He's wrong for Deadshot.
I think Will Smith is going to be great. I mean Deadshot is usually a killer but never a mean-spirited one. He's a very charismatic guy. Will Smith is also pretty great in most of his movies even if he does come across as a good guy. Check out Secret Six if you haven't, it's a great comic book and it shows Deadshot at his best.
http://www.polygon.com/2015/10/27/9621814/cara-delevingne-enchantress-suicide-squad (http://www.polygon.com/2015/10/27/9621814/cara-delevingne-enchantress-suicide-squad)
I have to ask:whats up with that? :huh:
(http://cdn3-www.superherohype.com/assets/uploads/gallery/suicide-squad/d4a65bda5131bde968111034cce8f4f33537875d-1.jpg)
Suicide Squad Poster Assembles the Whole Rotten Crew (http://www.superherohype.com/news/363061-suicide-squad-poster-assembles-the-whole-rotten-crew#/slide/1)
You notice how they all look like they are together except for Deadshot? He has his back turned. I wonder if this means anything? We all know how he feels about the squad and stuff from the comics
Suicide Squad - Official Trailer 1 [HD] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmRih_VtVAs)
Ok, that was awesome!
When I like trailers, the movie is terrible.
I liked that trailer. Woe! Woe and alas!
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Apparently, the response to the humor in the trailers has sent the studio into a panic, spending millions to reshoot and add or change scenes. Why? Because apparently they contained every single joke in the entire movie, so it's actually not good if audience expect that kinds of humor in the movie.
We'll see how this turns out.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on April 02, 2016, 12:45:04 PM
Apparently, the response to the humor in the trailers has sent the studio into a panic, spending millions to reshoot and add or change scenes. Why? Because apparently they contained every single joke in the entire movie, so it's actually not good if audience expect that kinds of humor in the movie.
We'll see how this turns out.
The response to Batman v. Superman is widely reported to be a factor as well.
Quote from: Talavar on April 02, 2016, 03:32:55 PM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on April 02, 2016, 12:45:04 PM
Apparently, the response to the humor in the trailers has sent the studio into a panic, spending millions to reshoot and add or change scenes. Why? Because apparently they contained every single joke in the entire movie, so it's actually not good if audience expect that kinds of humor in the movie.
We'll see how this turns out.
The response to Batman v. Superman is widely reported to be a factor as well.
Yes, that too. Although as I've said, that reasoning is a bit silly since it's different material and can be a bit darker, but these people clearly don't really understand comic book audiences.
*sigh*
You know, the Squad is grim at times and gritty at times, but it also has some good humor and some real human drama. I couldn't expect something like that from these people, though.
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 03, 2016, 05:03:34 AM
*sigh*
You know, the Squad is grim at times and gritty at times, but it also has some good humor and some real human drama. I couldn't expect something like that from these people, though.
To be fair, Benton, the Suicide Squad film has a very different creative team than Batman v. Superman, so I'm still holding out some hope.
I have zero hope that the empty suits pulling the strings at WB could find their rear-ends with both hands and a road map, much less make wise decisions about these movies. To succeed as films, comic book movies need folks at the helm who are either heavily invested in the characters (Joss Whedon) or perfect for the tone and themes (Sir Kenneth Branagh). I'll be astonished if they can muster the latter, and I'm quite sure they can't muster the former.
Still, Suicide Squad has a better chance of being what it is supposed to be than anything else they're doing, even though everything I've seen indicates that the main characters aren't going to resemble their comic counterparts much at all.
I didnt like the costumes here,but Im willing to give DCeU another shot.Maybe third time is the charm?
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 04, 2016, 04:42:05 AM
I have zero hope that the empty suits pulling the strings at WB could find their rear-ends with both hands and a road map, much less make wise decisions about these movies. To succeed as films, comic book movies need folks at the helm who are either heavily invested in the characters (Joss Whedon) or perfect for the tone and themes (Sir Kenneth Branagh). I'll be astonished if they can muster the latter, and I'm quite sure they can't muster the former.
Still, Suicide Squad has a better chance of being what it is supposed to be than anything else they're doing, even though everything I've seen indicates that the main characters aren't going to resemble their comic counterparts much at all.
You may turn out to be very right indeed, but I think the DC movie universe, without a strong person overseeing it in its entirety, like Kevin Feige at Marvel, may end up very hit and miss (maybe more misses than hits). Individual movies may still be good, but it'll be luck of the draw.
Suicide Squad - Blitz Trailer [HD] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AwUdTIbA8I)
Quote from: Midnite on April 11, 2016, 03:51:58 PM
Suicide Squad - Blitz Trailer [HD] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AwUdTIbA8I)
Now they went for a more relaxed GotG-style approach.It just might work.
Whole pitch at the beginning comes down to: Have you guys read Irredeemable?Well,we dont want that to happen. :)
Suicide Squad - Official Comic-Con Soundtrack Remix [HD]
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0Xb9BhfVjY)
Well, reviews are coming in on Suicide Squad and they are...not great as a whole. 37% at Rotten Tomatoes, 48 at Metacritic. It's too bad; I had hoped Warner Bros was going to be able to turn things around with this one, but it sounds like the film itself is too conflicted about what it wants to be.
As a big fan of the Ostrander run, all I've gotta' say is: This makes me sad. :(
And strike three for DC movies...
It's almost as if trying to build a cinematic universe without any semblance of a plan and by willfully ignoring pretty much everything important about your source material is a bad idea...
Well,they also ignored the lessons from their own tv shows.And made some odd casting choices.
To quote the illustrious Doom Guy:
"THAT CAN'T BE GOOD!!!"
In "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" news, a petition has been started to get Rotten Tomatoes shut down, as, in the creator's own words: "We need this site to be shut down because It's Critics always give The DC Extended Universe movies unjust Bad Reviews, Like 1- Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice 2016 2- Suicide Squad 2016 and that Affects people's opinion even if it's a really great movies [sic]."
Amazing.
^By that logic,everything except CBR should be shut down.Because you know,CBR...
And to be fair,few reviews I saw were more mixed then outright bad.Some things like Amanda Waller,Rick Flag,Harley and Will Smith seem to be well recieved.And thats kinda where it ends.Then there is pretty much everything else.Thats just what I read,thou.And zombies?Really?
Quote from: Talavar on August 03, 2016, 04:59:42 PM
In "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" news, a petition has been started to get Rotten Tomatoes shut down, as, in the creator's own words: "We need this site to be shut down because It's Critics always give The DC Extended Universe movies unjust Bad Reviews, Like 1- Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice 2016 2- Suicide Squad 2016 and that Affects people's opinion even if it's a really great movies [sic]."
Amazing.
Holy Run-on Sentences, Batman! :o
Yet another example of poor punctuation, spelling, and/or grammar taking away much-needed credibility of a written statement. Because this idea needs all the credibility it can get. I'm surprised there wasn't any demands of needing trigger warnings in the "bad reviews".
Which of course reminds me of this image:
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The petition thing's pretty dumb, but other than that, eh. I'm not that worried about the negative reviews because I've enjoyed plenty of movies that got bad reviews (I still don't agree with the reception for X-Men: Apocalypse for example), and an online reviewer I trust gave a very positive review of the film. So speaking strictly for myself, there's a decent change that I and the people I watch movies with will enjoy when we do see it. It does kinda suck that this is another stumble in DC's attempt to recreate the Marvel magic, but to honest, at this rate, I'm not sure they ever will, short of a reboot years down the line and different talent at the helm. It is weirdly ironic, though, since DC had some of the most well-known superheroes (Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman), and at least Batman had a good track record with movies that had paved the way for lots of other movies.
On a related note, I recently saw Batman V Superman, and while I didn't think it was great or anything, Batflick was really good in the role, as was Jeremy Irons as Alfred; I'm still very much down for a solo Batman movie directed by Affleck.
Strangly,I hear that the Ultimate Edition of BvS was a lot better.
I've heard that too. Mind you, I think some of the people who say that are people who enjoyed the main film to begin with. At least, that's the case for some regulars at my local comic book store.
Ostrander posted an update on his Facebook Page, he liked it. I might give it a chance now.
Seems like a mostly meaningless and utterly toothless petition isn't likely to do much other than draw more attention to Rotten Tomatoes, which is probably not what the petitioner would be hoping for. But, that's sort of a running theme of those petitions, so... mission accomplished?
I might see the movie this weekend, depending primarily on whether the timing fits in with checking out a new restaurant in the area. I have found that going in with low expectations has been a good practice with Snyder's DC movies so far. We'll see.
Quote from: stumpy on August 06, 2016, 05:27:35 AM
Seems like a mostly meaningless and utterly toothless petition isn't likely to do much other than draw more attention to Rotten Tomatoes, which is probably not what the petitioner would be hoping for. But, that's sort of a running theme of those petitions, so... mission accomplished?
I might see the movie this weekend, depending primarily on whether the timing fits in with checking out a new restaurant in the area. I have found that going in with low expectations has been a good practice with Snyder's DC movies so far. We'll see.
The sad and funny part is that WarnerBros is a partial owner of RT. :doh:
I wish the WB Execs had more faith with Ayer's cut.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693
Even with the butchered editing, the movie is tracking to make 140M this weekend. The general audience love it apparently, I will be going tonight. :D
QuoteIn regards to the critical and audience reception for Suicide Squad, it's still up in the air how much mileage this DC feature property has. In relation to its $166M opening, BvS had a two multiple when it finaled domestic with $330.36M (just $2.8M short of overtaking Guardians of the Galaxy stateside). One non-Warner Bros. distribution suit waves off the negative reviews for Suicide Squad, predicting "In its first week, it's going to make $230M to $250M!" This is further bolstered by the fact that CinemaScore crowds under 35 gave Suicide Squad an A-, while 76% females gave it an A-. The pic also earned an A with the under 18 demo (28%).
http://deadline.com/2016/08/suicide-squad-weekend-box-office-opening-will-smith-margot-robbie-1201799046/
Quote from: Midnite on August 06, 2016, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: stumpy on August 06, 2016, 05:27:35 AM
Seems like a mostly meaningless and utterly toothless petition isn't likely to do much other than draw more attention to Rotten Tomatoes, which is probably not what the petitioner would be hoping for. But, that's sort of a running theme of those petitions, so... mission accomplished?
I might see the movie this weekend, depending primarily on whether the timing fits in with checking out a new restaurant in the area. I have found that going in with low expectations has been a good practice with Snyder's DC movies so far. We'll see.
The sad and funny part is that WarnerBros is a partial owner of RT. :doh:
I wish the WB Execs had more faith with Ayer's cut.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693
Even with the butchered editing, the movie is tracking to make 140M this weekend. The general audience love it apparently, I will be going tonight. :D
QuoteIn regards to the critical and audience reception for Suicide Squad, it's still up in the air how much mileage this DC feature property has. In relation to its $166M opening, BvS had a two multiple when it finaled domestic with $330.36M (just $2.8M short of overtaking Guardians of the Galaxy stateside). One non-Warner Bros. distribution suit waves off the negative reviews for Suicide Squad, predicting "In its first week, it's going to make $230M to $250M!" This is further bolstered by the fact that CinemaScore crowds under 35 gave Suicide Squad an A-, while 76% females gave it an A-. The pic also earned an A with the under 18 demo (28%).
http://deadline.com/2016/08/suicide-squad-weekend-box-office-opening-will-smith-margot-robbie-1201799046/
At least Ayer is taking it fairly well. I mean, Trank shelled out tons of excuses for why people didn't like Fantastic 4. Ayer seems to own up that this is HIS vision from what his tweets show.
Unlike the recent Fantastic Four however, Suicide Squad looks like it's at least going to be financially successful.
It's on track to hit 140 million this weekend, which is at the upper end of their projections. I'm also seeing lots of lists of good moments and good characterizations, so it doesn't sound like it's nearly as bad as the reviews suggest, and even many of the reviews considered the first half of the movie to be pretty good.
I felt that the second half was better than the first. The first half felt really jumbled.
So I was a bit hesitant to see this one, so I watched a bit of it off a camrip... not the whole thing, but enough to know this one's worth seeing in theaters, at least for me. I've made no secret of my dislike for the tone the recent DCU movies have taken, but in this case, the darker tone actually works to the film's benefit rather than its detriment. This is a movie about villains, and it feels like it.
Is it perfect? Heck no. The pacing in the early scenes is jumbled and messy, as they're desperately trying to get everyone introduced in a short time frame. But even what I've seen puts it better than some of the worst of the Marvel Studios movies, and that's still a pretty high bar to clear for me.
Well,the movie wasnt bad,but it wasnt all that great either.IDK,you see it and you move on with your life.
My opinion sounds like a popular one: it was alright. It really did feel jumbled and like the above poster mentioned, they're trying to fit a lot of characters into one movie. I kind of thought it'd be funnier too.
Took part of the afternoon off and saw this today. I generally enjoyed it. I agree with the earlier assessments about the movie trying to shoehorn quite a bit into the allotted time.
A couple quick comments:
Spoiler
I was surprised how many Joker-related scenes there were.
Captain Boomerang was sort of wasted in this movie. Not that he should be a lead or anything. But, aside from being a minor agitator within the group, he served no purpose and didn't display any particularly useful or unique abilities that explain why Waller would especially want him on the team.
Amanda Waller was played as pretty evil. I know that it's realistic to portray her as someone who rationalizes her actions as serving some positive goal. But, they didn't really pull any punches. Which is probably the right tone for the character and for the movie, but I am not used to seeing that in these comic book-based movies.
The end credits Easter egg seemed somewhat poorly motivated. Bruce Wayne already has information on the metahumans and we saw that in B v. S. I don't really see him cutting a deal to hide Waller's culpability from what happened in Suicide Squad in order to get information that the World's Greatest Detective either already has or could certainly get on his own.
Quote from: stumpy on August 11, 2016, 10:55:51 PM
Took part of the afternoon off and saw this today. I generally enjoyed it. I agree with the earlier assessments about the movie trying to shoehorn quite a bit into the allotted time.
A couple quick comments:
Spoiler
I was surprised how many Joker-related scenes there were.
Captain Boomerang was sort of wasted in this movie. Not that he should be a lead or anything. But, aside from being a minor agitator within the group, he served no purpose and didn't display any particularly useful or unique abilities that explain why Waller would especially want him on the team.
Amanda Waller was played as pretty evil. I know that it's realistic to portray her as someone who rationalizes her actions as serving some positive goal. But, they didn't really pull any punches. Which is probably the right tone for the character and for the movie, but I am not used to seeing that in these comic book-based movies.
The end credits Easter egg seemed somewhat poorly motivated. Bruce Wayne already has information on the metahumans and we saw that in B v. S. I don't really see him cutting a deal to hide Waller's culpability from what happened in Suicide Squad in order to get information that the World's Greatest Detective either already has or could certainly get on his own.
Spoiler
There were a few Joker scenes, but they weren't extremely prevalent. The ones that I could remember were: the one where he and Harley are in that strip-club and the Joker kills that Thug-dude for "disrespecting the Queen", the one where he and Harley are being chased by Batman, the one where he's in his Knife-Apartment and he's told where Harley is, the one where he breaks into Belle-Reve to disarm Harley's neck-bomb, the one where Harley jumps into the vat of chemicals and he jumps in after her, the one where he saves Harley via Helicopter Minigun, the one where he gets shot down in the Helicopter and pushes Harley out to save her, and some last scene where he is actually alive despite having blown up 30 stories above the ground.
Captain Boomerang was pretty much a waste. The only thing he brought was a pink unicorn which was funny because "ha! A grown man with a pink stuffed animal. How hilarious!!!" Honestly, though. I liked the unicorn scenes. Charmingly funny. Other than that, he was what? Comic relief? Right, because we didn't get that from ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CAST (Deadshot, Harley, heck, even Killer Croc at times). At least Slipknot served a purpose (blowing up to show that those devices are, in fact, lethal)
To be fair, those records probably had info on where Flash and Aquaman lived, making it easier for him. Sure, he probably could have found them himself, but I don't know. It's just easier, I guess?
The Joker was so bad, worse than Lex maybe. They should take both their Oscars.
Other than that, a really "good" movie. Like not actually good good but it was more enjoyable than I thought. I'll watch it again probably.
Definitely an enjoyable movie. A lot of stuff going on, but still it's less messy than BvS. Harley Quinn was really good IMO, and so was Waller. Joker, I'm still not completely sold on.
It also probably has one of the best soundtracks in recent memory
Quote from: Tomato on August 08, 2016, 12:19:14 AM
So I was a bit hesitant to see this one, so I watched a bit of it off a camrip... not the whole thing, but enough to know this one's worth seeing in theaters
Shame on you for doing that , it was worth going to see in theaters just for Harley Quinn.
Quote from: Tomato on August 08, 2016, 12:19:14 AM
So I was a bit hesitant to see this one, so I watched a bit of it off a camrip... not the whole thing, but enough to know this one's worth seeing in theaters
I still haven't gone yet, but that's more because of financial issues (which will finally be sorted by next paycheck) so at this point I might just wait for the DVD to watch the whole thing... still, I liked what little I did see of the film (about 30 minutes or so), and I stand by what I said about seeing it in theaters. It's just a shame I felt so burned by previous DC films that I couldn't trust them enough to just see it.
Saw it actually a while ago. It was... a movie I guess.
Spoiler-free impressions
The good:
Will Smith (basically being a surly Will Smith, but it worked)
Margot Robbie
Viola Davis (great as Waller, too bad the movie had her doing some amazingly stupid things)
The bad:
The villain
Two members who get NOTHING to do
The climax
The logic flaws
The pacing (and basically the plot)
The Joker's laugh
Now for the more spoilery review
Spoiler
I find it odd that I didn't put the Joker himself on my "Bad" list because it certainly wasn't a memorable performance, but the thing is, there were brief moments where it worked. Very brief, but they were there. Unfortunately most of his performance made me think of Marylin Manson as most of the time he lacked the sheer personal enjoyment of his mayhem that I think is critical for a successful Joker. Seriously, the man needs to learn how to smile. Most of the time he fell squarely in the "meh" category. Even his laugh wasn't very memorable, and THAT is a crime.
As for the plot, I think a big chunk of it could have been fixed by rearranging a few things: Have Enchantress be the first attempt, it goes awry, but no one knows about Waller's involvement, she says she can fix it, creates the Suicide Squad AND introduces the nanite element to ensure that we don't have another Enchantress incident. Sadly though, that doesn't change the fact that Enchantress is a pretty boring villain. Once she escapes and releases her brother, she spends most of the movie just gyrating in front of an energy field and occasionally doing mind tricks. Bleah,
I did like the blinky hat though.
Sadly both Katana and Captain Boomerang are so extraneous to the plot they could have been replaced by lamps and it wouldn't have made a difference. Seriously, Katana's whole shtick is cutting things, so who cuts out Enchantress' heart at the climax? Not Katana. Cap Boomerang is barely there except for the rare bit of humor and a drone and the part of the climax where someone has to throw a bomb, not him. Why? I don't know. Killer Croc isn't given much to do either, but at least he serves a purpose during the big climax fight.
Poor Slipknot... He didn't even get a profile introduction. His only purpose was to show the nanites work. What a frickin waste.
I mentioned logic flaws and sure there are some you can ignore if you're being entertained but I found many of these to be distracting. things like
- If this group is supposed to be in there as a force that can be easily disavowed if things go south, why are they running with government troops?
- Why didn't Waller use the nanites on Enchantress (or at least her host body) as well?
- Why did ANYONE let Waller do anything after Enchantress got loose and is destroying the city (they all saw her at the briefing so they knew about her)
- Why the @#$%^ did Captain Boomerang come back after leaving at the bar?
Despite all this, I didn't hate the movie. I didn't love it by any means, but I was relatively entertained. Whenever Deadshot or Harley was on screen things were fun. Some of the title work was very nice, and the use of music added a lot, even though it did peter out as we got to the climax (which was utter garbage as far as I'm concerned). Wouldn't see it again unless it was a slow Saturday and it was on TV, but don't feel like I should demand my money back.
At this point Tomato, you might as well wait for the DVD/ Blu-ray release so you can see the stuff that were deleted from the film. All I have to say is Viola Davis deserves an award for being the best Amanda Waller on film or TV. I was scared of her most of all
Haven't seen the film, but I have some things to add regardless:
Not surprised Viola Davis killed it as Waller. She had a lot of push to be in the role because of her work on How to Get Away with Murder. As for being the best actress to play Waller, that's not saying much. The one on Arrow wasn't very good. Jey, would you say she was better than CCH Pounder from JLU? Because I always thought she was perfect.
Regarding Slipknot:
Spoiler
I just assumed he'd only be in the film to get blown up. Not only did they do the same thing with another character in both the Assualt on Arkham animated movie AND Arrow, but that was his role in the comics too (though in the comics, he only got his arm blown off.
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Edit: Got the name of the tv show wrong. ]
Quote from: Silver Shocker on August 27, 2016, 09:16:03 AMJey, would you say she was better than CCH Pounder from JLU? Because I always thought she was perfect.
Agreed regarding CCH Pounder. She was a perfect Waller in my view. It's hard to compare the animation and voice work to live action, though.
CCH Pounder is on NCIS New Orleans. I think she could handle it.
Da Glob, who remembers her from "Lifepod"...
Quote from: daglob on August 27, 2016, 11:11:46 PM
CCH Pounder is on NCIS New Orleans. I think she could handle it.
Da Glob, who remembers her from "Lifepod"...
There is a New Orleans spinoff?That franchise just wont die...
I always thought Oprah should have been Amanda Waller.
Quote from: stumpy on August 27, 2016, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on August 27, 2016, 09:16:03 AMJey, would you say she was better than CCH Pounder from JLU? Because I always thought she was perfect.
Agreed regarding CCH Pounder. She was a perfect Waller in my view. It's hard to compare the animation and voice work to live action, though.
CCH Pounder has the best voice for Waller, but I hate to admit it, she has gotten too old to play the part. If they had the movie while she was doing JLU, then she would have been perfect.
She was really great on The Shield too, a morally ambiguous figure of authority. Perfect for Waller.
So I just saw the film, and uh....I really thought it sucked. Not just because I'm a huge fan of the classic comics (which this attempts to adapt
very loosely) but also because it's just a bad movie that bungles its premise spectacularly. The group I watched it with, including my non-comics reading friend who has no significant prior knowledge of this property, also thought it sucked. Honestly I thought BVS was better by a large margin (and that's not a very good film either).
I found GG's assessment of the film very on point.
Let's get the
very specific, but notable positives out of the way:
1. The acting from the major characters was excellent. Will Smith give it his all, sold many of the film's various amusing zingers (which comprised the bulk of what I actually enjoyed in the movie). Viola Davis was perfect casting for Waller, couldn't have asked for a better actress for the role, regardless of the writing. Jai Courtney was surprisingly enjoyable as Captain Boomerang, a purely comic relief character (and while I found the unicorn thing stupid, it at least consistently got a chuckle out of me.) And Margot Robbie could not have been a more spot-on Harley Quinn if they dubbed over her voice with Arleen Sorkin or Tara Strong. Jared Leto did a good job with his very specific take on the Joker, even though I don't like it.
2. The soundtrack for the movie was rad. Lots of really great licensed songs. Unfortunately, it's a double edged sword as it was blatantly obvious DC wanted to make it more like the trailers and more like Guardians of the Galaxy.
3. Enchantress was really cool and interesting....for the first twenty minutes. I'll touch more on her in the spoiler section. The sequence where she grabs the guy in the subway bathroom, for example, looked really cool, and I quite liked her "Ring" ghost-inspired design in the film.
4. Ben Affleck's cameos as Batman were the best part of the movie, even though one of them raises some plot hole questions.
5. While I didn't like how he looked or his accent, Rick Flagg was very well written and actually surprisingly true to the comics. I feel very confident in a better version of this movie he would have been the male lead instead of Deadshot and the film would have been better for it.
6. As a fan of the original comics, Slipknot's role was
almost perfect, except for two fairly minor negatives that hurt it a bit.
7. Harley and Joker's relationship was handled pretty well in the movie, regardless of how it is worked into the overall narrative. It's also touching in a twisted sort of way that he seems to care about her more than in other iterations.
8. Some of the stuff involving Deadshot and his daughter was cute.
9. Harley Quinn/Margot Robbie was hot. Might as well tack that onto the end.
Let's get to the negatives, most of which will be spoilers. And for the record, I am fully aware this movie was heavily re-edited before release including reshoots, which might be the cause for some of the negatives.
1. The pacing and editing in this movie is weird at times. Particularly the first twenty minutes. I'm not convinced the first onscreen appearance of the Joker in the film was originally meant to be the character's debut, since it lacks any kind of visual gusto. He's just *poof* on screen in a wide shot. Compare to Heath Ledger's entrance in The Dark Knight or really any of the shots of Joker seen in the trailers.
2. Most of the team added nothing to the film. Several of them (I'll say who in the spoiler section) are underdeveloped characters who lack proper motivation and don't display skills that would make them a good match for this mission.
3. I didn't like Jared Leto's Joker. I just didn't like his look, mannerisms, or voice, and I don't have any strong desire to see more of him in a later movie. My assessment of him is consistent with my assessment of him prior to release.
4. Pretty much all of the dramatic moments that don't involve Harley Quinn and Deadshot (and at least one or two that do) feel forced and don't ring true at all, a few scenes hinge on character motivation that just isn't in the movie and the musical score and use of slow mo somehow managed to ham it up to an almost parody-level.
5. Without spoiling (that comes later) the opposition the squad faces outside of the Joker sucked. Bigtime. This is actually the thing that sinks the movie the most by a huge margin.
6. The premise of the Squad in this universe, that they would be used to fight Superman or the next Superman-like threat that pops up, makes no sense. Other than Enchantress and maybe El Diablo, noone in this team would last 10 seconds against Superman. The movie neither addresses this nor subverts this.
7. The action scenes sucked. Other than the obnoxious amount of slo-motion, there was no style, visual flare, or impact to any of the fight scenes. The whole thing looked about on par with an episode of Arrow at best, and maybe if they didn't spend what had to have been a substantial amount of money licensing those songs to make it seem like Guardians, we might have gotten better action. Say what you will about Zach Snyder's story and character sensibilities, the guy is an
excellent visual storyteller (as many people have pointed out, as tiresome as it was to see Batman's origin again, Zach Syder made the best
looking version in any film.)
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8. Why the hell did Deadshot spare Harley's life? It doesn't make any sense, since the characters have barely interacted together at this point and doing so could jeopardize him getting to see his daughter again which is what he wanted in the first place.
9. The movie managed to bungle one of the core concepts of the Suicide Squad: the bombs. In other iterations, they can go off if the characters stray off too far from mission parameters, but here they only seem to be activated by remote, which would suck if the phone used for this was dropped, lost, stolen or smashed. And what do you know? Rick smashed his in the bar scene.
10. Why in the world did Captain Boomerang come back after the bar scene? Ignoring a joke about him coming back like a boomerang, he has NO reason to do this considering Flag smashed the phone and it's widely out of character for him. He was also so incapable in combat outside of the cannon fodder monsters that it makes me wonder why he's in the Squad or the movie at all other than comedic relief.
11. I didn't like Waller shooting the people in the vault, or Rick Flag being seemingly ok (or ok enough) with it. It also seemed weird considering he had an earlier scene bucking authority with Waller early in the film and this would have been a good spot to play into it.
12. Everything involving Enchantress and Incubus outside the first 20 minutes was a hot mess. You guys thought the Marvel villains sucked? These two make all of them look like Dinofrio's Kingpin. Incubus barely did anything and didn't even really need to be in the movie, since you could have just had Enchantress be the villain by herself. Their endgame and what they were doing was vaguely defined. He and Enchantress's bizarre later form (which was not integrated into the narrative well at all) looked ridiculous and unappealing, and I would have enjoyed it a lot more if Enchantress used her first design for the whole thing. Her bizarre movements didn't help matters either. The two of them are paradoxically too powerful and not powerful enough for this movie and this roster of the Squad. They knew they were going to have to fight her (this might have been different in a different cut) and yet they chose a roster we should have no reason to think could beat them. Yet they managed to beat them using bombs, guns, bladed weapons and El Diablo's powers. That, plus the disposable canon fodder and the fact that noone dies outside of Slipknot and El Diablo makes it feel like there's little stakes or emotional investment to any of what's going on. June Moon being alive after Rick destroyed the heart felt like a cop-out that cancelled out any kind of character arc Rick had other than smashing the phone in the bar. I would have liked the film a lot more if Enchantress fought along side the Squad and they fought one or more different, drastically less powerful foes (such as Joker, or as my non-comics reading friend suggested, Bane). For crying out loud, they did reshoots for the third act and the third act was the worst part of the movie.
13. As GG said, Waller was really stupid in this. She kills several of her own people in cold blood for no good reason other than "they knew too much and this was outside of their clearance" right in front of Deadshot and Rick, the later of which she has (as far as we know) little to no leverage against. It just doesn't make any sense to me. If she was really going to have them killed, why not do it later, more discreetly? And then later she conspires with Bruce Wayne (who she knows is Batman) to cover up the invasion even though, again, she has no good reason to do this since alien invasions and monsters are kinda public knowledge in this movie universe. And if it was simply because one of her own operatives (Enchantress) caused the whole thing, then, as GG said, why have the Squad march through the middle of the street with an armed regiment instead of a more covert approach such as an airdrop and secure-on-site? It doesn't make any goldarn sense.
14. The whole slow motion scene at the end with Deadshot firing the shot, overdone as it was, missed the opportunity for a key visual that would have given Deadshot a nice coda to his character arc. Why didn't he shoot his gun through the head of the hallucination of his daughter? The whole scene seemed to be going in that direction, and it ties back to the flashback with Batman. The only possible reason I can think of for it not being there (and I think this is pretty likely) is the ratings board wouldn't let them put that in and keep a Pg-13.
15. Katana, Killer Croc and Boomerang had no character development outside of the bar scene and no reason to be in the movie outside of the fight scenes and comic relief. It felt like a wasted opportunity, especially for Boomerang, who not only is a Suicide Squad mainstay, but is a Flash villain (which they establish in this film), meaning they could bring have brought him back for the Flash really easily with a built-in motivation for revenge. Sure would have made more sense than him joining the final fight for no reason.
16. Regarding Slipknot:
A) He should have gotten a profile screen so it'd be more of a surprise to people who didn't know about that scene in the comics (or you know, noticed his extremely limited role in the marketing) And guess what? Originally he would have and they cut it out!
B) Why the hell did Boomerang attack the soldiers and try to run? He put himself at risk for no reason when he could have just waited to see if Slipknot got his head blown off (which he did). I don't buy that he needed to do it to convince Slipknot since he seemed pretty convinced as it is. The scene made Boomer look stupider than it should have, and while Boomer's kinda stupid in the comics, he's not thatstupid (and of course, did no such thing in the comics)
17. Why would they bring Deadshot, whose sole skill is that he never misses a gunshot, on a mission against Enchantress, who they know they're going up against, when they already have a bunch of army guys, including Rick Flag? The only real value of such a skill would be sniping, and Deadshot never gets to snipe anything outside of the scene where he's supposed to get a killshot on Harley (which he deliberately doesn't do)
So yeah, I really didn't like it, and I was totally expecting to enjoy it more than I did. Really disappointed by that. The Batman: Assault on Arkham animated movie was a much better adaptation of Suicide Squad.
On that note: here's the Honest Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdiFhv3gsyo&t=306s). Naturally, spoilers abound. I'll say this, I hated the movie, but I love the Honest Trailer for it.
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Edit] Now I really want to know what Tomato will say about the film when he watches it in its entirety. He said he saw 30 minutes of it (the first 30 minutes?) and the first 30 minutes just so happen to be the only part of the movie that's good.
Edit 2: Electric Boogaloo: While I'm waiting for a reply, I'm going to make two predictions:
1. If Benton ever sees it, he's going to absolutely hate it, but reluctantly acknowledge that everything about Margot Robbie except her visual design (and maybe how sexualized she was) was awesome, and maybe praise Viola Davis' performance as Amanda Waller (but not how she was written, since as we've established, this Waller is kinda stupid).
2. Tom will hate everything after the first 30 minutes
except Harley Quinn and Joker, which he'll love, and Viola Davis' performance as Waller, and
maybe Affleck's final cameo..
SS, interesting review. I imagine that's probably fairly accurate, from what I've heard.
Here's the Honest Trailer for movie. It felt pretty spot on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdiFhv3gsyo
As for your prediction, I'd wager you're right about me. :)
What makes all of this even worse is just how awesome the original comic is. I just finished the first volume, and it is one of the greatest comic runs I've ever read. It's up there with the 70s Claremont X-Men.
We now know the movie will get a spinoff based on Gotham City Sirens.Which sounds great,but from everything seen so far,I cant say Im optimistic.
Benton: I actually posted the link to the Honest Trailer in my own post. But yeah, that's probably one of my favorite Honest Trailers of all time.
Yeah, the original Ostrander comics are great. I've read the first 4 volumes and the Deadshot miniseries and they're good stuff. I've got Vol. 5 coming in the mail in early January. I was really intrigued to learn that the actual plot of the movie draws from Ostrander's stories but the execution just wasn't good at all.
Spade: Yeah, I heard of that, along with Will Smith's Deadshot supposedly getting his own movie. The Gotham City Sirens is supposed to have Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn. I'm fine with both of those Smith and Robbie were great in the roles (even if Will Smith was very Will Smith-ish) and I'd like to see them in a better movie.
One other very quick thing I didn't touch on from the film:
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Flash's cameo was great. It was only like 2 seconds, but it was a lot of fun. Between that and the Justice League trailer, I'm actually optimistic for Ezra Miller's Flash movie, DC/WB's just gotta find a way to get a director who will stick around and get it made.
Haha, whoops, sorry SS. It deserves mentioning twice, though. ;)