So Avengers: EMH season 2 will be starting soon. Here's a pretty interesting pic from the upcoming season:
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/podmark/emhgroupshot.jpg)
Both Ant-Man and Yellowjacket being there intrigues me.
I enjoyed the first season but I never really got into it like I would have liked. Not sure what it is but it hasn't clicked yet like, for example, Young Justice has.
It and Spider-man premiere Sunday morning on Disney XD.
I think the animation style and their lack of a gripping storyline for the first half of the season might be the issue there, Poddington, no?
Quote from: Podmark on March 31, 2012, 02:29:58 AM
Both Ant-Man and Yellowjacket being there intrigues me.
Huh. Didn't notice that when I saw the pic elsewhere, but it does confirm a suspicion I had about one of the early episodes after reading the synopsis:
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Quote"To Steal an Ant-Man"
When Hank Pym's Ant-Man suit is stolen, he takes it upon himself to find the thief.
*cough*Scott Lang*cough*
Starts Friday night in Canada.
Quote from: Previsionary on March 31, 2012, 03:02:42 AM
lack of a gripping storyline for the first half of the season
That's probably it. I'm hoping for more from season 2.
That picture is interesting...
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also having Wolverine, the Winter Soldier and Spider-man, none of which have really been introduced thus far.
Quote from: Talavar on March 31, 2012, 03:27:36 AM
That picture is interesting...Spoiler
also having Wolverine, the Winter Soldier and Spider-man, none of which have really been introduced thus far.
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Well, Logan was in Cap's "prologue" episode, but you're right, he wasn't introduced as Wolverine at the time.
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Quote from: Talavar on March 31, 2012, 03:27:36 AM
That picture is interesting...Spoiler
also having Wolverine, the Winter Soldier and Spider-man, none of which have really been introduced thus far.
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Well, Logan was in Cap's "prologue" episode, but you're right, he wasn't introduced as Wolverine at the time.
I suspect this screen's a bit later on in the season, so we'll get to see a lot of that stuff develop as time goes on. As far as Winter Soldier goes though, they foreshadowed him a lot during the previous season.
Quote from: Tomato on March 31, 2012, 12:06:02 PM
Quote from: Previsionary on March 31, 2012, 03:57:09 AM
Quote from: Talavar on March 31, 2012, 03:27:36 AM
That picture is interesting...Spoiler
also having Wolverine, the Winter Soldier and Spider-man, none of which have really been introduced thus far.
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Well, Logan was in Cap's "prologue" episode, but you're right, he wasn't introduced as Wolverine at the time.
I suspect this screen's a bit later on in the season, so we'll get to see a lot of that stuff develop as time goes on. As far as Winter Soldier goes though, they foreshadowed him a lot during the previous season.
They sure did! I'm pretty excited about seeing that play out.
Yeah, I knew that bit was coming when I saw that one episode. Looking forward to seeing it all comes about.
Quote from: Podmark on March 31, 2012, 02:29:58 AM
So Avengers: EMH season 2 will be starting soon. Here's a pretty interesting pic from the upcoming season:
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/podmark/emhgroupshot.jpg)
Both Ant-Man and Yellowjacket being there intrigues me.
I enjoyed the first season but I never really got into it like I would have liked. Not sure what it is but it hasn't clicked yet like, for example, Young Justice has.
Can you find the hidden Skrull???
Nope?
That's cause they're all Skrulls!!!
:lol:
I notice there's a lady who is dressed like The Black Widow in that screenshot. I only got to see the episodes leading up to Gamma World, so I'm in the dark regarding how the last half of Season 1 played out.
Can somebody sum up how they played out that "Natasha as Hydra's double-agent" twist? And is the Black Widow in the picture a different character?
Black Widow spoilers right here.
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The Black Widow is in fact a triple agent, and was never really working for Hydra to begin with. She really did betray Hawkeye to keep her cover, however.
How did Thing get so tall? Isn't he six foot?
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 31, 2012, 11:20:38 PM
Black Widow spoilers right here.
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The Black Widow is in fact a triple agent, and was never really working for Hydra to begin with. She really did betray Hawkeye to keep her cover, however.
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Oh, that she-devil! So is the Black Widow in the picture above just Natasha with a different hair style?
Quote from: captmorgan72 on April 01, 2012, 01:41:20 AM
How did Thing get so tall? Isn't he six foot?
Yes! I was wondering that too. I guess he's been drinking milk.
Sooooo, Chris Yost and Joshua Fine will be liveblogging the show tomorrow (ET) on Marvel.com for those that care and want to get interactive (or get behind the scenes tidbits).
First episode in and I'm a little underwhelmed...
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my major complaints being that it's the teams' sole female members in the episode who get captured & need rescuing; that the Hulk and Wasp both basically get punked by Doom with no opportunity for any response, and that Doom solos the combined might of the Avengers and the Fantastic Four, grossly overpowering him in my opinion.
One thing of interest - in this episode, Skrull-Cap is wearing a more Ultimates-style costume, but in the picture above, Cap's hood is clearly sporting head-wings once again. Does that imply that Real-Cap will be back soon? And was it just me, or did Captain America's voice actor sound different?
Haven't seen it yet but...
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Doesn't Doom do that all the time in the comics? I mean, just in the past 5 years, he's taken on 1) The Avengers + X-men; 2) Black Panthers, Storm, Wakandian Warriors, Wolverine/NC/Psylocke, Fan4; 3)X-factor & Fan4; 4) Hulk/Fan4/X-men/BP; 5) Thor/Asgardians
It happens so much that at some point you lose the shock value.
While I agree him going after sue+wasp is kind of bogus, of the ones we know about she was arguably the easiest to snatch. besides, there's no guarantee he even knew about cap, or they'd have taken him down too.
Wasp has more than proven herself to be more than trap-bait, even with "lesser" powers than some of the others.
I enjoyed their take on Dr. Doom. He should be a badarse.
Man, I love Doom. He is one step ahead of everyone and can humble anyone. He figured out what the Avengers and the F4 could not.
I liked that Doom was ahead of everyone intellectually; Doom fighting the Avengers & Fantastic Four to a standstill alone = ridiculous. His armour is that much better than Stark's? Then that makes Tony look like a chump.
Anyway, new episode!
This week, AIM attacks Stark Industries:
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While Tony meets with Maria "I'm the worst character ever" Hill, AIM attacks with the Technovore in an attempt to kill Tony and steal his stuff. Captain America and Black Panther are also there with Rhodey, who puts on the War Machine armour to help out. (Skrull)Cap also gets an energy shield to replace his original, which is weird to see as 'new' - when did Cap have the energy shield in comics? It was a while ago. Maria & Tony have to work together to save the day, but she learns nothing and reverts to her standard party line by end of the episode.
I liked this week's installment better than last, despite Hill's presence. I just hope they don't actually get too far into the 'Civil War' storyline, for reasons of its extreme suckiness. Hill's complete lack of flexibility on the issue here and in her appearances last season not only make her the least likeable character in the history of animation, but make her come off as having some sort of brain injury.
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Y'know, I'm actually going to have to argue somewhat in favor of Civil War here. The simple truth is, of all the nonsensical garbage we've gotten since the whole back-to-back event mentality got started at Marvel, Civil War was arguably the most sound conceptually. The basic setup is actually brilliant... a couple of dumb media heroes go out and pick a fight with people way out of their league, and the whole thing ends with an entire city being destroyed. The fact that the government and the population would have a knee-jerk reaction to the whole thing is supported by our nation's history, particularly in the last decade. Conceptually, the entire story is well above any of the others Marvel has put out in recent years (Invasion of the shape changers, alternate reality with Magneto in charge, Hammer time, Osborne leading SHIELD... Ugh).
The problem, both in the comics and unfortunately it might be in EMH as well, is in the execution. The morality surrounding Civil War should have been very gray, with the reader left unsure which side to root for. But at no point reading Civil War did I EVER root for anyone besides the rebels. The government was clearly the bad guy in the situation, and every single action it took made them all more and more unlikeable as the series went on.
There is a legitimate reason for the government and local law enforcement to be afraid of heroes, and to enact Laws that would require some accountability. There are reasons characters like Batman come up with contingency plans to take down other heroes if they go bad. The fact that Marvel epically failed to present that argument and that EMH is seemingly doing the same completely undermines a legitimately interesting concept.
And yeah, Maria needs to get some brain cells here. Her idiocy was almost forgivable in the comics because she was picket specifically to be the government's puppet after Nick Fury's nonsense, but here she was Fury's second in command and there's no indication that her selection was political in any way.
Quote from: Talavar on April 09, 2012, 04:51:47 PM
I liked that Doom was ahead of everyone intellectually; Doom fighting the Avengers & Fantastic Four to a standstill alone = ridiculous. His armour is that much better than Stark's? Then that makes Tony look like a chump.
Yeah, that was a bit far fetched. I think of Doom like I do Batman. Victor knows everyone's weaknesses and how to exploit them. I can see him surprising foes many times his power level, but he couldn't keep it up for long.
Curse you Toon Disney! Curse you for not being in my channel package!
Just watched this week's episode, I enjoyed the preview for next week's episode more than the actual show.
New episode time!
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the Enchantress is seeking revenge on Zemo & his Masters of Evil for his double cross at the end of last season, and the Avengers have to defend the other villains from her. Simultaneously, something escaped/broke in and stole something in Asgard, greatly upsetting folks there. It was a solid episode, and nice to see Thor for the first time this season, even if he didn't do much. That said, it feels to me like the writers keep throwing jimmies into the air, plot-wise, while none of the story-arcs already in motion really advance. To my count, the show is currently working on: the Kree-Skrull War, Secret Invasion, Civil War, and now Surtur?It seems like too much. I'd rather see more motion on fewer plots, like the second half of last season.
In other news, Hank is still MIA. Is Ant-man even still on this show?
I like how the language filter turns any instance of the word "b alls" into "jimmies."
Quote from: Tomato on April 09, 2012, 05:38:51 PM
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Y'know, I'm actually going to have to argue somewhat in favor of Civil War here. The simple truth is, of all the nonsensical garbage we've gotten since the whole back-to-back event mentality got started at Marvel, Civil War was arguably the most sound conceptually. The basic setup is actually brilliant... a couple of dumb media heroes go out and pick a fight with people way out of their league, and the whole thing ends with an entire city being destroyed. The fact that the government and the population would have a knee-jerk reaction to the whole thing is supported by our nation's history, particularly in the last decade. Conceptually, the entire story is well above any of the others Marvel has put out in recent years (Invasion of the shape changers, alternate reality with Magneto in charge, Hammer time, Osborne leading SHIELD... Ugh).
The problem, both in the comics and unfortunately it might be in EMH as well, is in the execution. The morality surrounding Civil War should have been very gray, with the reader left unsure which side to root for. But at no point reading Civil War did I EVER root for anyone besides the rebels. The government was clearly the bad guy in the situation, and every single action it took made them all more and more unlikeable as the series went on.
There is a legitimate reason for the government and local law enforcement to be afraid of heroes, and to enact Laws that would require some accountability. There are reasons characters like Batman come up with contingency plans to take down other heroes if they go bad. The fact that Marvel epically failed to present that argument and that EMH is seemingly doing the same completely undermines a legitimately interesting concept.
And yeah, Maria needs to get some brain cells here. Her idiocy was almost forgivable in the comics because she was picket specifically to be the government's puppet after Nick Fury's nonsense, but here she was Fury's second in command and there's no indication that her selection was political in any way.
Great thoughts, 'Mato! I've always found this to be an annoying flaw of the Marvel Universe. I have yet to read Civil War so I can't comment intelligently on the that arc. But the X-Men's relationship with the U.S. Government tends to only promote one side of the argument (at least in the mediums I've witnessed).
I think DC's Cadmus organization's relationship with the Justice League (as portrayed in Justice League Unlimited, for instance) makes for a much more morally complex story. I found Amanda Waller very interesting.
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Yes, but the one-sided nature of the debates in X-men is considerably more forgivable than that of Civil War for two very important reasons:
-In the case of Mutant registration, we're talking about individuals who are born with a unique power being forced to publicly reveal themselves as mutants by the government. Yes, SOME mutants go on to commit crimes or to become dangerous vigilantes, but SOME black people rob stores and SOME Christians kill people for differing beliefs too. We would never, as a country, allow a public register of all Chinese people, so it is equally wrong to have a public register (which, btw, is something I've only ever heard done with regards to sex offenders) of those who happen to have mutant abilities.
By contrast, the issue with Civil War is NOT a public register of anyone with powers... it's a private registration of people with power who choose to use those powers publicly, aka Superheroes/villains kept within the US government. Now there are issues with any such list being out there, especially in a world of Super-hacking villains, but it's not like this would be something updated on wikipedia every time a new hero's identity is registered.
-The debates in X-men are, almost by default, viewed from the X-men's perspective. Obviously I expect comics to be skewed in favor of the titular characters. The problem is, Civil War isn't supposed to be skewed. The basic premise, the way the comic was marketed (Which side are you on?!), even the game was designed to get the reader/player thinking about the issues presented and to come to their own conclusion.
The problem is that the comic itself epically failed to do that. The Rebels only ever fight for what they believe in and never seem to make any questionable decisions, while the Government never seems to stop... using hardened supervillains, killing some of the rebels, cloning dead allies to use as weapons, building super-prisons... not once, not one single time in the entire Civil War miniseries did I EVER sympathize with anyone but the rebels, and I happen to actually agree with the government mandating some form of accountability on super-heroes.
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I was on the Registration side too, but yeah the actual story really made them out to be bad guys. Tony was portrayed as an evil jerk at every possible opportunity.
I'd hope it is a little better in the show but as it's a kids show they might be even more tempted to paint the sides in black and white.
I do find it neat that the show is adapting the newer material.
This show is on Disney XD and that channel is geared towards 10-15. It's direct competition is NickToons, which airs shows that deal with and hint at death frequently. They can push the boundary a bit if they choose to do so. Heck, the shows on core Disney push the boundaries more than they used to.
Regardless, I think toons in general need to go back to sophisticated storylines that were sometimes present in the 80s/90s. All this sanitizing of today is doing no good and has resulted in some truly blah shows.
Regarding Civil War, I always thought that the concept itself was a really interesting one, but of course, the execution was awful. I'd be happy to see them tackle the idea with this show, as taking great concepts and polishing them up to great stories is sort of the business of Avengers.
I always thought that Tony taking the government's side never made sense to me. Why would he do that? He was adamant about not allowing the military to use his armor tech. He didn't trust them to not use it for their own agendas, so why would he allow himself and other super powered heroes to be under the authority of the government? The whole civil war story just sort of fell flat with me. It just wasn't believable to me at all. I mean if he really supported the government, why not create an army of Iron Man armors for the military?
Rumors are starting to swirl about that Jeph Loeb (Head of Marvel Animation) has cancelled Avengers: EMH. The rumor states that it will be cancelled & be replaced with an Avengers cartoon in the same style of the new Ultimate Spider-Man toon.
Comicbookmovie.com (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/marveltv/news/?a=58063)
No offense to Marvel, I like USM, but if they do something like that I will boycott all marvel TV programming until whatever replaces it dies. I'm dead serious. Loeb can take his crazy and shove it into Joe Q's behind for all I'd care.
I don't believe this is actually true, but if it is, I wholeheartedly agree with 'Mato. Such a move would be unconscionable.
Um... shouldn't they see how well USM actually sustains an audience before even considering that? USM is mediocre at best as of this moment. Don't push your luck, Loeb.
Why does anyone let Jeph Loeb do anything at this point? The man is anti-talent. But until this rumour is confirmed in any way (credibility of source, actual confirmation), I'll take it with a grain of salt.
So Avengers too will go the way of Spectacular Spider-Man? That's not cool :thumbdown:
Pod, that's a good point. If this is true they'll have cancelled two excellent to good shows back to back. That's just outright stupidity...especially when these shows are being replaced by the ridiculously kiddie and insipid Ultimate Spider-Man.
Three shows actually. Wolverine & The X-men, Spectacular, and, if it happens, EMH.
Quote from: Previsionary on April 19, 2012, 03:00:59 AM
Three shows actually. Wolverine & The X-men, Spectacular, and, if it happens, EMH.
Ehh, Wolverine and the X-Men was pretty solid, but it's not in the same league as Spectacular and EMH, in my opinion.
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 19, 2012, 03:10:29 AM
Quote from: Previsionary on April 19, 2012, 03:00:59 AM
Three shows actually. Wolverine & The X-men, Spectacular, and, if it happens, EMH.
Ehh, Wolverine and the X-Men was pretty solid, but it's not in the same league as Spectacular and EMH, in my opinion.
I was really disappointed when Wolverine and the X-Men got cancelled, I was looking forward to the AoA arc hinted at in the final episode.
Quote from: Previsionary on April 19, 2012, 03:00:59 AM
Three shows actually. Wolverine & The X-men, Spectacular, and, if it happens, EMH.
Well specifically I meant being cancelled for an Ultimate show as the rumour MJB posted states.
Don't they already have that stupid super hero kiddy squad or something?
Isn't that enough?
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on April 19, 2012, 03:07:30 PM
Don't they already have that stupid super hero kiddy squad or something?
Isn't that enough?
First, that show's been cancelled for like, a year now (for the same reasons Spectacular and WatX were... Disney bought Marvel, and those shows were made by other animation companies). Second, having sat through several episodes of the show, Super Hero Squad actually wasn't that bad and I think it was a great way to get younger kids into the marvel universe.
The problem here is not that Loeb wants to replace EMH with a show intended for a younger audience, it's that he wants to replace it with a DUMBER show. There's no problem with EMH from a target audience perspective: The bright colors and visuals appeal to younger kids, while the storyline progression and interesting characters appeal to older audiences. The problem Loeb has, from what I can tell, is that he feels EMH has too large a cast and is not episodic in nature, IE: you can't just skip 3 episodes and expect to understand what's going on. It's the same BS we always heard from Cartoon Network about the JL series: the hour long episodes meant that you had to at least run the two-parters in sequence, and having to pay attention to what order you played the episodes in during syndication was too hard for the network. It was lunacy then, it's lunacy now, and it's why I made the statement I did about boycotting Marvel TV.
EMH is not my favorite show ever: More often than not, it's a love letter to classic Avengers stories that were written before my time and that I have little interest in personally. However, what has always appealed to me about the series (and that kept me involved in a way B&B was never able to) is that the story and characters progress in an intricate and interesting manner. There's not a single moment in the first season where the narrative truly ends, because each arc invariably leads directly into another. That, more than anything, is what brings me back to this show every week.
THAT is why I'm so angry to hear these rumors. It's NOT because this is such a fantastic show that I can't live without it... Great and good shows come and go all the time(Spectacular, WATX), and I can at least grasp WHY Disney doesn't want Marvel shows partly owned by other animation companies out there, even if I don't particularly have to like it. But that's NOT the reason Loeb is supposedly doing this: his reasoning is that it's too well written, too SMART for audiences to enjoy. And that, quite frankly, is something I find abhorrent and disgusting.
I don't really see how you can do an Avengers cartoon and not have a large cast. It just doesn't make sense. My already low opinion of Jeph Loeb is plunging, James Cameron-style, to Marianas Trenchian depths.
I don't see how you can do ANY Marvel or DC team show without a large cast. Thinking about it now, I can't recall a Marvel or DC show in the past two decades that didn't eventually swell up in some way, whether it was a team show or "solo." That's the nature of the beast, but I must remember whom I'm talking about and note I haven't been able to track Loeb's thinking for years. For his sake, I'm hoping the rumors are false because he doesn't need to turn even more fans against him and his practices. It would be nice though if Marvel could produce a show that would last longer than two seasons (or 26 episodes). It's a startling trend that they've started, and it makes it hard to root for or get attached to a show when you suspect it'll be ending in under 2 years. I mean, it's shocking that thus far, only Iron Man: Armoured Adventures is in the running for a third season. I NEVER would have expected that.
Putting unpleasant cancellation-by-an-idiot speculation aside, it's time for a new episode: the Kree have arrived!
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Ronan the Accuser comes to judge earth's worthiness for joining the Kree Empire. We see that SWORD has become a thing, run by Agent Brand with Carol Danvers as an agent, and set up base on Kang's Damocles timeship. Danvers also makes her first appearance as Ms. Marvel, helping the greatly reduced team take down Ronan. Oh, and Captain Mar-vell shows up to whine a lot.
A good episode. It's nice to see another female character join the team (which Ms. Marvel does at the end), particularly one with high-end powers (and the voice of Commander Shepard doesn't hurt at all). SWORD seems to be a rapidly acquiring a little space navy, with the seized Damocles, and now a Kree starship joining their collection.
Still no Ant-man, who's joined on the bench by Thor, Wasp, Black Panther and Hawkeye (the latter 3 at least get a shout-out that they're doing something else)
Quote from: Talavar on April 23, 2012, 03:18:45 PM
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Still no Ant-man, who's joined on the bench by Thor, Wasp, Black Panther and Hawkeye (the latter 3 at least get a shout-out that they're doing something else)
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Well, I'm assuming that since the next episode is called "To Steal an Ant-Man," we'll be getting plenty Hank Pym action next week to make up for it.
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Found it amusing that Hulk was swatted away like a pesky fly and Carol was the one that put Ronin down. I suppose it made sense though, its not like Hulk was hurt or anything, he was just knocked away every time he came at Ronin. I'm assuming Carol absorbed the cosmic energy Ronin was shooting at her and blasted it back at him. A pretty decent episode.
Marvel is great with movies and DC is great with cartoons. Too bad we can't merge them or at least share ideas.
Quote from: JeyNyce on April 23, 2012, 10:33:57 PM
Marvel is great with movies and DC is great with cartoons. Too bad we can't merge them or at least share ideas.
That would be nice, since I found this episode of EMH to be at best, just "meh".
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Who wants to guess that some of the missing avengers will be replaced with skrulls?
Quote from: oldmanwinters on March 31, 2012, 08:46:33 PM
I notice there's a lady who is dressed like The Black Widow in that screenshot. I only got to see the episodes leading up to Gamma World, so I'm in the dark regarding how the last half of Season 1 played out.
Can somebody sum up how they played out that "Natasha as Hydra's double-agent" twist? And is the Black Widow in the picture a different character?
which episode was gamma world.
Edit: I'm editing this post to take some of the unnecessary venom out of it (I'm not a morning person, and I hadn't gotten my caffeine yet.) but really, cripp... you should know better man. You're asking a question about a post made over a month ago, specifically about an episode that aired almost 2 YEARS ago, and one that a simple google search and a wikipedia page would have answered. What's worse, the question completely derails the actual thread discussion, IE: the episodes of Earths Mightiest Heroes that are currently airing.
TLDR; Google is an amazing thing. Use it before looking like a dork in public.
Back on topic, I'm really looking forward to "To Steal an Ant-Man." I suspect it'll introduce Scott Lang, and I've always liked the character despite not really knowing WHY half the time.
Edit 2: I'm going to be honest and admit that cripp's post really didn't warrant the response I gave it... it was a silly question, but when you get right down to it, so is complaining that Ant Man hasn't been in an episode so far when "To Steal an Ant-Man" was brought up in the first page of the thread. It was a wrong place wrong time deal on my end, and I overreacted. I've already PMed cripp a sincere apology for my doofusness, and I'm hoping we can put it behind us.
That said, I'm not going to edit the comments out of the post and pretend like I'm not human. I DID overreact here, and pretending like it never happened is just about as dishonest as it could possibly be.
Quote from: JeyNyce on April 23, 2012, 10:33:57 PM
Marvel is great with movies and DC is great with cartoons. Too bad we can't merge them or at least share ideas.
Young Justice is great, but I'd put Avengers above any of the other DC cartoons in production at the moment (the CGI Green Lantern cartoon does nothing for me; 'Beware the Batman' could surprise me, but it doesn't look promising).
You are right Tomato. I should have googled before jumping the gun. I will think twice before posting.
Quote from: Talavar on April 24, 2012, 03:57:48 PM
Young Justice is great, but I'd put Avengers above any of the other DC cartoons in production at the moment (the CGI Green Lantern cartoon does nothing for me; 'Beware the Batman' could surprise me, but it doesn't look promising).
I can't really agree with that right now... Yeah, the first season was right up there and I can appreciate how some people would like it more (opinions being what they are), but this season just seems... meh so far.
That said, EMH is still better than Green Lantern and will probably be better than Beware the Batman (simply because Professor Pyg exists in it), so I wouldn't say DC is unanimously better than Marvel either.
Talavar, I'd agree with you, at least to a degree. I think YJ is very close to the quality of Avengers, but then Avengers has crossed that fine line into excellent more often. Either way, I think the original poster was making their point in light of the rumored cancellation of Avengers. 'Mato, I haven't seen this second season so far, so I can't judge from that. Curse Toon Disney!
I think I'm being misread. I said Avengers is better than any of the other DC shows; 'other' here meaning other than Young Justice. (For reference: Young Justice > Avengers > Green Lantern, Iron Man: Armoured Adventures, Ultimate Spider-man & probably Beware the Batman). Are there any other DC or Marvel animated shows in production right now?
I think Young Justice has superior character development in its leads, better ongoing development of over-plots and sub-plots, and more consistent high quality of animation than Avengers. That said, I prefer the scope of Avengers, with it's top tier characters and villains, over the string of backbenchers Young Justice sometimes uses, but it's not enough to put Avengers over the top.
One gripe about Young Justice however - the Xanatos Roulette-ish tendency of villains to constantly lose yet somehow still achieve most of their aims, and gloat about losing. I know it's a mechanism to let the villains lose to the heroes of the show episode after episode, yet still seem dangerous and menacing, but, as with Weisman's Gargoyles, it starts making it look like the villains actually plan to lose. I think they have low self esteem.
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 24, 2012, 04:21:42 PM
Talavar, I'd agree with you, at least to a degree. I think YJ is very close to the quality of Avengers, but then Avengers has crossed that fine line into excellent more often. Either way, I think the original poster was making their point in light of the rumored cancellation of Avengers. 'Mato, I haven't seen this second season so far, so I can't judge from that. Curse Toon Disney!
Well, to put it mildly, it isn't as good this season. The episodes have been much more self-contained, the stories are less interesting and more generic, and the overall sub-plot of Skrull Cap has been so in-your-face that the inevitable shock from the other team members that "ZOMG he's a skrull!" will just seem forced. I keep hoping they're just taking time to get back into their former rhythm, but it does seem like the writing has taken a nose dive from the last season to this one.
Quote from: Talavar on April 24, 2012, 05:33:43 PM
I think I'm being misread. I said Avengers is better than any of the other DC shows; 'other' here meaning other than Young Justice. (For reference: Young Justice > Avengers > Green Lantern, Iron Man: Armoured Adventures, Ultimate Spider-man & probably Beware the Batman). Are there any other DC or Marvel animated shows in production right now?
I think Young Justice has superior character development in its leads, better ongoing development of over-plots and sub-plots, and more consistent high quality of animation than Avengers. That said, I prefer the scope of Avengers, with it's top tier characters and villains, over the string of backbenchers Young Justice sometimes uses, but it's not enough to put Avengers over the top.
One gripe about Young Justice however - the Xanatos Roulette-ish tendency of villains to constantly lose yet somehow still achieve most of their aims, and gloat about losing. I know it's a mechanism to let the villains lose to the heroes of the show episode after episode, yet still seem dangerous and menacing, but, as with Weisman's Gargoyles, it starts making it look like the villains actually plan to lose. I think they have low self esteem.
Well... in my defense, Benton did it too.
Silly Talavar, you expected much of Bentonami. Reading is difficult for him. He's a sea creature... and not of the Namor variety. *glares evilly at Benton and disappears in a flurry of feathers*
This week: "To Steal an Ant-Man":
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Someone is committing crimes as Ant-man, so Hank Pym hires Luke Cage & Iron Fist, heroes for hire, to track them down and get his gear back. Wasp tries to convince Hank not to quit the Avengers, and the rest of the Avengers do sudoku or something.
So Hank is finally back, moaning and whining like a douchebag. Yay? I think it's really interesting that Hank is here complaining that the Avengers are wrong/useless, when the last time we saw him as part of the team, they helped save the world from an inter-dimensional despot. Still, Luke Cage and Iron Fist were fun and nicely done, Scott Lang exists, which I have no opinion on, but know some enjoy. Cassie Lang is introduced, but much too young to really take on the role of Stature any time soon.
I personally am really sick of the anti-superhero sentiment in a lot of comics & associated media, arguing that superheroes are pointless. Hank in this episode says that the Avengers are basically useless to Jan, not only quitting because of a distaste for violence, but refusing to help the team in any capacity. At my count, however, the Avengers saved the world 6 separate times in season 1: from Kang, Ultron, Loki, the Leader, a detonating Kree sentry, and the Casque of Ancient Winters. All required an Avengers/superheroic response, and only 1, Ultron, was the direct result of an Avenger's actions (even then, since weaponizing Ultron was necessary for the defeat of Kang, it's mitigated somewhat). Therefore, Hank Pym and the producers of these arguments are idiots.
Talavar,
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About your third paragraph, I believe they are going to try to work in something about Hank's schizophrenia, or something along those lines.... did you see when he flipped out in the lab there was a closeup of a yellowjacket?
Quote from: detourne_me on May 01, 2012, 10:27:56 AM
Talavar,
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About your third paragraph, I believe they are going to try to work in something about Hank's schizophrenia, or something along those lines.... did you see when he flipped out in the lab there was a closeup of a yellowjacket?
I hope they do work in something to explain his behaviour, but Hank isn't the only person giving this sort of opinion on the show - Maria Hill is even worse. It was also a general indictment of this sort of attitude, which has also been cropping up a lot in comics over the past couple of years.
Right, well if you take a look at Warren Ellis' example in Planetary, the Fan4 are pretty much the biggest arses in the universe because they have access to such amazing tech but use it all on selfish purposes like exploring the microverse.
if they really wanted to be heroes they'd created sustainable energy and provide the poor with the means to live a comfortable life.
Hank had been mentioning that last season, wanting to help the villains to become productive members of society, not just bashing their heads.
I think Dan Slott has really addressed this issue well in the pages of Amazing Spider-man recently. Peter's work at Horizon Labs is turning into consumer products that really help people, while his new motto as Spidey is "Nobody dies!"
Slott's been able to approach the concept of superhero on both sides, and it's just a fantastic read too.
While their big screen counterparts are getting all the attention, there was still a new episode this yesterday. This week, in Avengers: Earth's Danglingest Plot-lines, a man named Michael Korvac appears, claiming to have been abducted by aliens...
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Korvac here is an amalgam of the comic character's history, jumping from his abduction to super-powered space god and jumping over a middle portion there. The Guardians of the Galaxy show up in pursuit of Korvac, whom the Avengers are sheltering, have the mandatory hero vs hero throwdown, then team up against Korvac who has been blowing stuff up in space for some time before coming back to earth.
It's neat to see the Guardians of the Galaxy in animated form - the most recent version of the team, largely. Star Lord, Rocket Racoon, Groot, Quasar (Phyla-Vell) and Adam Warlock are the members shown. They're interpreted a little weirdly - Groot especially having weird, super-fast regeneration/dispersion & reintegration as a power, and Warlock heavily featuring his soul gem - something he no longer had as a member of the Guardians. Phyla never mentions a link to the Kree, who come up as the abductors of Korvac, which given Kree appearance in the show - I don't think 'white' Kree exist - cuts away her backstory without replacing it with anything for this brief appearance.
A lot is never really explained: how Korvac got so powerful (beyond random experimentation), why he's so crazy and destructive (again, beyond the whole abduction thing), and there's not much resolution. With so many storylines up in the air at the moment, this feels like a wasted episode. It doesn't appear to connect to any of the existing ones (Skrull Invasion, Kree/Skrull War, Superhero Registration, etc); if anything, it's a link to still others (I can't help but think the Guardians of the Galaxy are a connection to Thanos, particularly with the emphasis given to Warlock's soul gem, and it's tie to the infinity gauntlet storyline). Clearly this is all culminating somewhere, farther down the line, but I much preferred the mini-arcs of last season, with two to three episodes to deal with most major plots. The team behind Avengers just aren't as good at balancing satisfying individual episodes with the season-long storyline as the folks working on Young Justice.
Quote from: Talavar on May 07, 2012, 05:05:21 PM
While their big screen counterparts are getting all the attention, there was still a new episode this yesterday. This week, in Avengers: Earth's Danglingest Plot-lines, a man named Michael Korvac appears, claiming to have been abducted by aliens...Spoiler
Korvac here is an amalgam of the comic character's history, jumping from his abduction to super-powered space god and jumping over a middle portion there. The Guardians of the Galaxy show up in pursuit of Korvac, whom the Avengers are sheltering, have the mandatory hero vs hero throwdown, then team up against Korvac who has been blowing stuff up in space for some time before coming back to earth.
It's neat to see the Guardians of the Galaxy in animated form - the most recent version of the team, largely. Star Lord, Rocket Racoon, Groot, Quasar (Phyla-Vell) and Adam Warlock are the members shown. They're interpreted a little weirdly - Groot especially having weird, super-fast regeneration/dispersion & reintegration as a power, and Warlock heavily featuring his soul gem - something he no longer had as a member of the Guardians. Phyla never mentions a link to the Kree, who come up as the abductors of Korvac, which given Kree appearance in the show - I don't think 'white' Kree exist - cuts away her backstory without replacing it with anything for this brief appearance.
A lot is never really explained: how Korvac got so powerful (beyond random experimentation), why he's so crazy and destructive (again, beyond the whole abduction thing), and there's not much resolution. With so many storylines up in the air at the moment, this feels like a wasted episode. It doesn't appear to connect to any of the existing ones (Skrull Invasion, Kree/Skrull War, Superhero Registration, etc); if anything, it's a link to still others (I can't help but think the Guardians of the Galaxy are a connection to Thanos, particularly with the emphasis given to Warlock's soul gem, and it's tie to the infinity gauntlet storyline). Clearly this is all culminating somewhere, farther down the line, but I much preferred the mini-arcs of last season, with two to three episodes to deal with most major plots. The team behind Avengers just aren't as good at balancing satisfying individual episodes with the season-long storyline as the folks working on Young Justice.
I saw it and noticed that it was dedicated to Boyd Kirkland. I hate to admit it, but I had no idea he passed away in January. I was a big fan of his extensive work in animation and I am saddened that he is now gone.
Hate to say it, but season 2 just isn't hitting me the way season 1 did.
Quote from: Cyber Burn on May 08, 2012, 03:14:12 AM
Hate to say it, but season 2 just isn't hitting me the way season 1 did.
I'm in your boat.
I think the next episode would put it more in my stride if anything. Hopefully.
Quote from: Cyber Burn on May 08, 2012, 03:14:12 AM
Hate to say it, but season 2 just isn't hitting me the way season 1 did.
Been feeling the same way. So far it's been "meh".
I think the biggest problem with the second season is all the dangling plot-threads. In the first season there were a variety of mini-arcs. Masters of Evil, the Leader's gamma domes, Kang, Ultron, in addition to more stand-alone episodes. Thus far this season, they've all been largely stand-alone, but tying in here and there to half a dozen different ongoing stories that are advancing at a glacial pace.
Saw the Ant-Man episode tonight. Quite enjoyed it, probably my favorite of the season. Looking forward to the GotG ep.
Hey, a new episode of Avengers that advances a storyline! My stars and garters!
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Nick Fury returns in this week's episode, with Mockingbird and Quake, I want to say, in tow, and looking a little more like Samuel Jackson. He reveals to Tony that skrulls are infiltrating the planet, including the Avengers. Hawkeye is their prime suspect for skrullification, but Tony concludes that any of the Avengers could be skrulls. Ms. Marvel tries to take Hawkeye in to SWORD for questioning, and the team basically breaks up over it. Cap rallies Hawkeye, Hulk and the Wasp to remain as Avengers, then later checks in with his skrully superior that everything went as planned. That superior: Mockingbird!
This was a pretty solid episode. We get real movement on a major storyline, the characterizations are generally well done, and Ms. Marvel confronts Hawkeye in a way where you can legitimately see both points of view -neither comes off as completely in the wrong. That said, the ending concerns me. We have 2 choices for Skrull-motivations: they either want the Avengers together as a useful weapon against their enemies the Kree, or they want the Avengers mistrustful and divided so they're out of the way of the Skrull Invasion. Skrull-Cap rallies some of the Avengers to stick together, suggesting possibility 2, but the only people who found out about the Skrulls were Mockingbird and Nick Fury. The Skrulls could have prevented the information of their existence from ever coming out, keeping the Avengers together completely. That Mockingbird didn't do this suggests possibility 1.
Basically what I'm saying is that the writers have some major hoops to leap through to make this all work without making the Skrulls seemingly working against themselves at some point.
Quote from: Talavar on May 14, 2012, 07:13:02 PM
Hey, a new episode of Avengers that advances a storyline! My stars and garters! Spoiler
Nick Fury returns in this week's episode, with Mockingbird and Quake, I want to say, in tow, and looking a little more like Samuel Jackson. He reveals to Tony that skrulls are infiltrating the planet, including the Avengers. Hawkeye is their prime suspect for skrullification, but Tony concludes that any of the Avengers could be skrulls. Ms. Marvel tries to take Hawkeye in to SWORD for questioning, and the team basically breaks up over it. Cap rallies Hawkeye, Hulk and the Wasp to remain as Avengers, then later checks in with his skrully superior that everything went as planned. That superior: Mockingbird!
This was a pretty solid episode. We get real movement on a major storyline, the characterizations are generally well done, and Ms. Marvel confronts Hawkeye in a way where you can legitimately see both points of view -neither comes off as completely in the wrong. That said, the ending concerns me. We have 2 choices for Skrull-motivations: they either want the Avengers together as a useful weapon against their enemies the Kree, or they want the Avengers mistrustful and divided so they're out of the way of the Skrull Invasion. Skrull-Cap rallies some of the Avengers to stick together, suggesting possibility 2, but the only people who found out about the Skrulls were Mockingbird and Nick Fury. The Skrulls could have prevented the information of their existence from ever coming out, keeping the Avengers together completely. That Mockingbird didn't do this suggests possibility 1.
Basically what I'm saying is that the writers have some major hoops to leap through to make this all work without making the Skrulls seemingly working against themselves at some point.
I tend to watch the 8pm Sunday airings of the Marvel Hour on Disney XD as opposed to the morning airing, so this episode's big reveals were totally ruined by the fact that Disney XD aired the preview for next week's episode immediately before re-airing this week's episode. I was initially confused but soon ticked off.
I saw the Korvac episode tonight. Seeing the DnA Guardians was a thrill, I was a big fan of that book. The characters all looked great but their voices were far from what I'd read them with.
I... need to catch up on this show, so I guess that should tell you all you need to know. USM, I've given up on.
Quote from: Podmark on May 19, 2012, 04:41:59 AM
I saw the Korvac episode tonight. Seeing the DnA Guardians was a thrill, I was a big fan of that book. The characters all looked great but their voices were far from what I'd read them with.
I'd definitely agree with that. Starlord and Rocket Racoon's voices I found downright jarring.
Wow, I totally didn't expect to see the Dwarvian Blacksmith in both Ultimate Spider-man and Avengers: EMH on the same day!
I liked both episodes, but I seem to remember last week's preview for Avengers would continue the Skrull plotline from last week.
I forgot to comment on "the Ballad of Beta Ray Bill," namely that I'm shocked to be seeing an episode of a cartoon primarily focused on Beta Ray Bill. Crazy stuff.
In other news, Avengers is taking a few weeks off, with no new episodes until near the end of June. From episode descriptions though, it looks like the Secret Invasion storyline will become a major focus, to which I say: "thank Neptune." This show has needed a major focus all season.
So about 6 new episodes just got *ahem* released.
Anyone else get caught up?
An amazing storyline... Quite focused and much stronger than the start of the second season
Quote from: detourne_me on June 04, 2012, 11:20:23 AM
So about 6 new episodes just got *ahem* released.
Anyone else get caught up?
An amazing storyline... Quite focused and much stronger than the start of the second season
Is that so.... I'll be back in a jiffy.
Just watched them and now I am caught up. Between this and the Avenger movie, I really want to play a game with these guys. I find myself contemplating buying Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 again. I am a sucker for great graphics and part two has nice graphics.
Is there anywhere I can get a list of all the episodes and description?
When are the xmen scheduled to come in.
Quote from: cripp12 on June 04, 2012, 05:27:09 PM
Is there anywhere I can get a list of all the episodes and description?
When are the xmen scheduled to come in.
Wikipedia. Search for Avengers episodes and you'll find it.
thanks. I had tried that but I didn't realize there were 2 pages.
the list page is perfect.
I'm hoping to take advantage of this re-run period to catch up on a few early Season 2 episodes that I've missed. I watched this weekend (and thought the whole thing could be easily adapted as a loose script for Avengers 2!), but I'm disappointed I have yet to see "The Private War of Doctor Doom" if only to see the Fantastic Four and Skrull Invisible Woman!
I missed the whole last half of Season 1 (only got to see the first 14 episodes on borrowed DVDs), so I'm confused about a lot but still following along with interest.
I am very disappointed in DisneyXD for chopping up the intro theme song and superimposing a lame voice-over narration over the epic "Bad City" song. I have no idea why they would ruin one of the best ever cartoon intros in recent memory like that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbHLEOg5RPo
The lyrics just fit so perfectly well with the characters:
-Tormented and attacked (Hulk)
-Lost from when we wake (Captain America)
-With no way to go back (Thor)
-I'm standing on my own, but now I'm not alone (Iron Man)
All caught up now. Thanks, detourne_me!
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I think this batch of new episodes is a nice return to form for the show. The focus on the Secret Invasion wraps up that arc finally, and does it pretty well. I like that we're seeing Captain America transition into a leadership role on the team, and to see most of the team in action together again. I'm still loving their use of Ms. Marvel. We also see the introduction of (another!) secret conspiracy, this one relating to Red Hulk, Doc Sampson and the Falcon - a weird mix of characters. I'm a little sad that Red Hulk is even on this show, as I hate the character, but at least he didn't get introduced as crappily as in the comics.
For the more standalone episodes, I enjoyed both more than some earlier in the season. It was great to see Cap and Spider-man team up, and Cap's steadfast determination in the face of slander and libel. Speaking of which - how is the Daily Bugle still in business? Libel is a real, litigable offence; you'd think Spidey would own the paper by now. The Vision's introduction and his mission to secure materials for Ultron were done well, and, based on episode descriptions, is going to be followed up on soon.
I agree about the 2nd season's opening credits; I thought the song was a little cheesy, but it was infinitely superior to what they're doing now.
Quote from: Talavar on June 05, 2012, 03:59:09 PM
I agree about the 2nd season's opening credits; I thought the song was a little cheesy, but it was infinitely superior to what they're doing now.
Oh, so DisneyXD aired the entire theme during Season 1? That's at lest good to know. I'd hate to think that you had to buy the DVDs to see the full thing.
Also, in what episodes have Marvel guest stars like Spider-man and Wolverine appeared? I'd love to see those eps.
Quote from: oldmanwinters on June 04, 2012, 10:46:20 PM
I'm hoping to take advantage of this re-run period to catch up on a few early Season 2 episodes that I've missed. I watched this weekend (and thought the whole thing could be easily adapted as a loose script for Avengers 2!), but I'm disappointed I have yet to see "The Private War of Doctor Doom" if only to see the Fantastic Four and Skrull Invisible Woman!
I missed the whole last half of Season 1 (only got to see the first 14 episodes on borrowed DVDs), so I'm confused about a lot but still following along with interest.
I am very disappointed in DisneyXD for chopping up the intro theme song and superimposing a lame voice-over narration over the epic "Bad City" song. I have no idea why they would ruin one of the best ever cartoon intros in recent memory like that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbHLEOg5RPo
The lyrics just fit so perfectly well with the characters:
-Tormented and attacked (Hulk)
-Lost from when we wake (Captain America)
-With no way to go back (Thor)
-I'm standing on my own, but now I'm not alone (Iron Man)
Totally agree, the original intro song was fantastic.
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Quote from: Talavar on June 05, 2012, 03:59:09 PM
I agree about the 2nd season's opening credits; I thought the song was a little cheesy, but it was infinitely superior to what they're doing now.
Oh, so DisneyXD aired the entire theme during Season 1? That's at lest good to know. I'd hate to think that you had to buy the DVDs to see the full thing.
Also, in what episodes have Marvel guest stars like Spider-man and Wolverine appeared? I'd love to see those eps.
Wolverine appeared briefly as 'Logan' during Captain America's origin episode set in WWII early in season 1, but (from a released publicity image) looks set to appear as Wolverine, in costume, at some time later in the season.
Spider-man appears in "Along Came a Spider," the 13th episode of the second season, which has not yet aired in the USA (but has in some international markets like Australia).
The rumors of cancellation have now been confirmed.
http://www.marveltvnews.com/2012/06/06/avengers-emh-officially-cancelled-to-be-replaced-by-avengers-assemble (http://www.marveltvnews.com/2012/06/06/avengers-emh-officially-cancelled-to-be-replaced-by-avengers-assemble)
In my opinion this season has been very hit or miss. It lacks the focus that season 1 had but it doesn't deserve to be cancelled. *sigh*
That stinks....
On the plus side, some new episodes are online.
Just saw "Powerless", it was pretty good.
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I loved how they made Thor limp around using a cane, great Don Blake tribute.
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Quote from: captainawesome on June 07, 2012, 08:59:44 PM
On the plus side, some new episodes are online.
I figured I'd ask:
Is there an official, aka
legal place to watch these episodes online?
That's depressing. Jeph Loeb, you are a jerk.
Though capawesome has perhaps already told you a good as well as indeed a legal website to watch the episodes online but if you are looking for something but similar and has several or at least more than ten mirrors for every episode of AEMH and much more.
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And indeed i as well would also consider this doing total injustice to the complete AEMH series consisting of an excellent and well presented season one and an almost great season two with a slightly weak unplanned plot, But then that does n`t mean Marvel should place a full stop here and cancel the entire epic avengers earth `mightiest heroes series meaning no more season 3 making the whole series totally incomplete.
In fact come to think of it why show cameos of the several major marvel characters and factions such as the x-men ,spiderman and several others in specific episodes when they never even intended to introduce them later on in the series indeed a great disappointment to all AEMH fans including me. Hell i thought or perhaps if Marvel would have tried perhaps introducing Scarlet Witch , Quicksilver ,a reborn Vision , Spider woman ,Wolverine , Hercules and Black Knight , Namor and some of the X-Men ,reintroduced War-Machine , Adam-Warlock , Giant-Man and Wonder man ,initiated the Marvel Civil War , perhaps a war against Dr. Doom , Magneto , Red Skull or maybe who in the right mind to would n`t want them to finalize the saga with season 5 ending it with an epic final fight with the Death-God Thanos.
But Nooo! We are gonna torture the fans to kill all pure classics and just gonna fill our already frigging fat pockets with some more amounts of money replacing it with a crappy show just to fill the spot and to promote the merchandise of our beloved insanely super grosser blockbuster movie 'The Avengers' . What more do they want the film has already grossed 1 and a quarter billion dollars? I am actually referring to the Marvel Studios in this paragraph.
They are repeating the same stupidity , irrelevancy and complete injustice as they did with one of the greatest superhero animated series and my all-time favorite 'Wolverine and the X-Men. It had a unique way of introducing new characters and had a totally perfect plot in fact the introduction of the ending of the final episode was a unique teaser for the upcoming season 2 had it been continued it would have been a great success . Comparing to the likes of Young Justice and several others. And funny i thought 'Wolverine and the X-Men' would have at least consisted of three seasons and Avengers Earth`s Mightiest Heroes would have surely consisted five season to make both true and complete sagas. And Yet again the Agendas of Marvel proved us wrong and tormented us with more and more crappy lies and excuses therefore AEMH like WATX has been discontinued.
Damn! I feel sorry for all the brainless idiots at Marvel Studios and indeed its a really sad news for several of us AEMH lovers and fans. Would n`t you agree? :( :( :thumbdown: <_<
Based on previous comments and discussions, this doesn't seem to be fueled by money so much as ego. 'Earth's Mightiest Heroes' started development before Jeph Loeb took over as media director or whatever his title is; he's on the record as saying he didn't like the show's large cast and ongoing storylines. Basically, the show didn't have a chance because the new boss didn't like it from day-one.
The new Avengers cartoon is likely to have Jeph Loeb's hands all over it, which means it'll be terrible (and supposedly more in line with the Ultimate Spider-man cartoon, which is also terrible).
Is it some sort of rule that DC must always have better cartoons than Marvel?
If anyone wants to read a more unedited version of my feelings on this subject, they're on my tumblr (losts of graphic wording and language, NSFW) but the short version is that I will be watching the rest of EMH and then boycotting any and all marvel tv projects until Assemble is cancelled. Not because I think it'll do anything or because I love EMH all that much, but because what Loeb is doing has me so sick I can't stomach watching anything else he's got going.
Very sad. I liked the build up to seeing new heroes every week.
Indeed a very sad and a very depressing has come for us all. The Chaos has begun and my apologies for my limited knowledge 'Talavar' your truly right this is all and completely fueled by 'egotistic mindsets' especially that of Jeph Loeb the idiotic fool who will eradicate all the hopes and dreams of all dedicated young and old loyal loving classic comic book animation fans in fact come to think of it marvel is really starting to loose its special spark and edginess.
And i totally agree with you 'cripp' like you i also loved to watch the introduction of new and improved characters in every episode even if it was a cameo appearance like such was done in the 'Infiltration' episode. Several characters were introduced at once though in form of photos stuck to a board while Nick Fury was observing them it marked a beginning which was to come in Season 3 . They have killed Avengers Earth `s Mightiest Heroes like they decimated the 'Wolverine and the X-Men'.
And no offence tomato though a very nice and exciting post at your tumblr account they never knew that you had it in you but i was expecting more from you than just this. You have actually brought up some light on perhaps a revolution , a rebellion , freedom of speech for a minor but also a major issue. What i think we should all raise one voice, as a one unit and a unique faction boycotting for all we cared and loved for. There were times where we had several different opinions but this time i am surely with Tomato and you guys hence count me in.
Also Check this out, Indeed i have to agree its a good solution and a good idea all the same.
http://www.change.org/petitions/marvel-entertainment-disney-joe-quesada-and-jeph-loeb-do-not-cancel-the-marvel-avengers-earth-s-mightiest-heroes-cartoon?utm_campaign=share_button_modal&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition
Well, that's just utterly ridiculous. I'm thinking an angry letter is in order. I'll punch it up tomorrow. What a freaking idiot.
EMH wasn't as good as JLU, but it could have gotten close given time. It was the best Marvel team series since the classic X-Men was cancelled, and the only good adaptation of the Avengers on TV ever. I'm beyond disgusted. I'm leaning towards going 'Mato's route, just because cancelling this series was so completely ludicrous.
Quote from: BentonGrey on June 08, 2012, 07:47:30 PM
EMH wasn't as good as JLU, but it could have gotten close given time. It was the best Marvel team series since the classic X-Men was cancelled, and the only good adaptation of the Avengers on TV ever. I'm beyond disgusted. I'm leaning towards going 'Mato's route, just because cancelling this series was so completely ludicrous.
As much as I like both of those Marvel cartoons, I gotta at least offer up some love to the short-lived "Wolverine and the X-Men." Now THAT was a show that could have gotten epic if it was allowed to run another year or two.
Oh, this is not the news I came in this thread for. How unfortunate, but I haven't watched most of season 2, so wevskies. I knew Jeph Loeb being at the head of the TV department would eventually lead to some bad news, but some people around here suggested otherwise. :P. Regardless, there's no point in trying to fight Quesada or Loeb. It'll likely never work. Most of the people involved have probably begun to move on. Quesada is also not one to listen to the fan base. He does what he wants. Loeb is similar except he'll tell you how wrong you are and suggest that you're too inadequate to follow whatever it is he's trying to do.
WatX and Spectacular were both excellent shows, and I'd say Spectacular was easily the best Marvel adaptation to have come out ever. However, at least their motivations for cancellation were understandable... Disney took over Marvel, didn't want to share the rights with other animation studios. Annoying, but at least there was some decent business practice in there. Cancelling EMH because Loeb didn't like it is just petty and disgusting.
Well... I guess disgruntled animation fans can at least look forward to...
HULK and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H. ! :lol:
:wacko:
Well this is a completely needless cancellation. EMH was a great Avengers show. I liked it and I loved how they introduced so many cool Marvel characters, the GotG standing out.
I loved Spectacular Spider-Man, so very sad that it's gone.
Quote from: Previsionary on June 08, 2012, 11:16:44 PM
Oh, this is not the news I came in this thread for. How unfortunate, but I haven't watched most of season 2, so wevskies. I knew Jeph Loeb being at the head of the TV department would eventually lead to some bad news, but some people around here suggested otherwise. :P. Regardless, there's no point in trying to fight Quesada or Loeb. It'll likely never work. Most of the people involved have probably begun to move on. Quesada is also not one to listen to the fan base. He does what he wants. Loeb is similar except he'll tell you how wrong you are and suggest that you're too inadequate to follow whatever it is he's trying to do.
In my defense, my response wasn't so much "Loeb might actually do a good job here" and more of a hopeful "maybe he won't have sufficient time to be a moron and ruin the tenuous stability Marvel TV has."
In my defence, I've thought Jeph Loeb was a moron for years.
In my defence, I knew that the original rumor was true. Jeph Loeb is an idjot.
Quote from: Talavar on June 09, 2012, 04:57:41 AM
In my defence, I've thought Jeph Loeb was a moron for years.
:lol:
I think Prev. nailed it just right. Put guys like Loeb (and Geoff John) in control of adaptations isn't a good idea, since they tend to make only what they think it's good. Like a lot of current writers and editors they don't try to create for their public, the public should accept they views or just go away.
I really liked EMH, the series got a classic + modern mix that was hard to get. It was not brilliant, but it was a lot of fun, and it was enough for me.
Yes but see, the difference is that while he may not be the greatest writer, at least Geoff CAN still write, and DOES have at least a decent understanding of what makes a good story. Loeb has consistently show us he fails at both AND his one major tv credit outside of marvel (heroes) took a nose dive almost as soon as he came on board.
Loeb used to be able to write okay to good stories. He just really fell off after his son passed away, but you can only sympathize with that for so long before you start to call a spade a spade. He's not getting any better at his craft, and I believe he's become very complacent, which is a horrible thing for a creative type of person to be. Loeb, however, has an added issue that his best work came when he was paired with certain artists or editors who would keep him in check. Most of the things he went on to do on his own, including TV (Heroes and Smallville) took a hit as soon as his energy was introduced. He also wrote "Teen Wolf Too" and should never be forgiven for that. However, he did write "Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America," which was said to be a good read. That, though, wasn't even his idea and came from JMS. Loeb just channeled his own experiences into the book, which is most likely why it connected as it did, yet even that was a mixed bag. Very mixed.
While I don't like John's recent work (I find it terrible, to be honest), I agree with both of you about Loeb.
And if they want a writer in control why to call someone who is in such a "bad shape"?
Because on paper, loeb has the most experience with tv. He's written for Heroes and for smallville, and he's buddy buddy with enough of the bigwigs at marvel that Joe Q will basically let him do what he wants. Technically this would be a case where disney should be stepping in, but to their credit they've been very hands off with Marvel and letting them do their thing.
Quesada and Loeb talk Avengers and Hulk:
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Exclusive-Marvel-Assembles-1048788.aspx (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Exclusive-Marvel-Assembles-1048788.aspx)
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TV Guide Magazine: And what's the second project?
Jeph Loeb:The Avengers movie has been the ambassador to the world for the Marvel Universe so we want a show that has the feel and the tone and the incredible adventures like that movie. So the next project that we're working on — and this is down in our lab, top secret, with the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents protecting us at all costs — is Marvel's Avengers Assemble, which will be a brand new and really extraordinary looking animated series dealing with the Avengers in that same world.
TV Guide Magazine: You already have Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes on the Disney XD. How is this new show going to be different?
Jeph Loeb: We're still very early on in the process and we don't give away too much. It's safe to say that we're looking at a show that more closely echoes the tone and the feel of the movie.
TV Guide Magazine: Does that mean it will skew towards an older audience?
Jeph Loeb: No, but it will certainly have that kind of gigantic action and interacting among the characters and their voices that the movie has.TV Guide Magazine: I understand that the African-American superhero Falcon is going to be a part of this show. Why was he an important addition to the team?
Joe Quesada: Falcon is going to be the eyes of the viewer. He's a new member of the Avengers so he's walking through our stories wide-eyed and with wonder and amazed to be a part of it. He's a little younger than the rest of the cast and a little greener, so he adds an interesting dimension to the team that we think will play really well with the audience.
I really, really am growing to dislike this fellow. EMH was pretty darn close to the Avengers movie in character portrayals and interactions. There's no reason they needed to replace this...none at all.
They're completely lying about how popular "Ultimate Spider-man" is. That show is not being lauded, and I'd appreciate if Quesada/Loeb didn't continue to treat the viewing audience like idiots when they know they have workers erasing negative commentary on their feedback pages.
I have a new response to every bit of news about or concerning Loeb (linked because it technically contains a curse word)
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1199/loeb.png (http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1199/loeb.png)
I feel the maturity (or lack thereof) of this image is appropriate to the level of maturity Loeb shows us on a daily basis.
I love how, after Loeb says the new Avengers cartoon will be more like the movie, the interviewer asks if that means it will be more adult-oriented, and Loeb's immediate response is no. Jeph Loeb: 'It's going to be just like the film, except in any meaningful way!'
Quote from: Talavar on June 13, 2012, 12:27:18 AM
I love how, after Loeb says the new Avengers cartoon will be more like the movie, the interviewer asks if that means it will be more adult-oriented, and Loeb's immediate response is no. Jeph Loeb: 'It's going to be just like the film, except in any meaningful way!'
Ha! That's good.
Prev., really? They've got folks erasing negative comments? How sad is that?
That's standard business practice at Marvel nowadays. IIRC, they did the same thing when they started getting backlash after publicly supporting HIPPA/SOPA.
Quote from: BentonGrey on June 13, 2012, 02:22:12 AM
Quote from: Talavar on June 13, 2012, 12:27:18 AM
I love how, after Loeb says the new Avengers cartoon will be more like the movie, the interviewer asks if that means it will be more adult-oriented, and Loeb's immediate response is no. Jeph Loeb: 'It's going to be just like the film, except in any meaningful way!'
Ha! That's good.
Prev., really? They've got folks erasing negative comments? How sad is that?
Yes.
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Marveltvnews.com reports that Marvel might be censoring the criticism the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon has been getting lately. From the article:
"To make things worse, starting 2 days ago, Marvel and Man of action have been deleting most negative comments about the show. In fact i was surprised to find almost more than 70% of the comments that criticized the show have been removed, even though they contained no profanity. The other suspicious part are that new “positive” comments towards the show have been posted just today to stay at the top of the comments."
Whether this is true or not remains to be seen. You can read the rest of the article on the source. Source: Marvel TV News (http://www.marveltvnews.com/2012/06/03/is-marvel-censoring-the-ultimate-spider-man-cartoon-criticism/)
That spread all over the interwebs. People were not happy, as you can imagine. Loeb went as far as to delete one of his fan pages. People were also mad that Josh Keaton (the guy that voiced Peter in Spectacular) was replaced (redubbed) in EMH by Drake Bell. Ultimate Spider-man attracted so much bad press that I was surprised nothing was ever posted here. Then again, no one seems to watch the show here either, so... yeah.
Glad I'm not the only one unhappy with the voicing on USM (among other things, a LOT of other things).
Deleting bad press? Guys guys guys :rolleyes:... you should know by now that's exactly how NOT to handle the internets.
I can't help but think this whole mess could have been avoided so easily by adding Black Widow as a regular to the EMH cast and tweaking the costumes to fit the movie mode a bit. I mean, Cap's gotten a tweak this season (even though he's... you know, Skrully and all) so it's not unprecedented.
I admit, I was not a huge fan of the general production design of EMH, but the writing, animation, and voice acting sold me on it. Even though this second season has been weaker than the first (primarily because it feels far less focused), there's still a lot to like. I will really hate to see it go.
Yes, but that still doesn't solve the fundamental problem of "Loeb didn't create it, so it has to go"
True.
Still, I'd prefer the shorter version:
QuoteLoeb didn't create it, so it has to go
Quote from: oldmanwinters on June 08, 2012, 11:44:38 PM
Well... I guess disgruntled animation fans can at least look forward to...
HULK and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H. ! :lol:
:wacko:
OMFNG I THOUGHT YOU WERE JOKING!!!
Agent X (an insider of Marvel) has apparently spilled the beans for Marvel Animation Studios plans for 2012...
http://www.marveltvnews.com/2012/06/13/exclusive-agent-x-spills-the-bean-on-the-future-of-marvel-animation-and-did-he-just-mention-a-new-x-men-tv-series/ (http://www.marveltvnews.com/2012/06/13/exclusive-agent-x-spills-the-bean-on-the-future-of-marvel-animation-and-did-he-just-mention-a-new-x-men-tv-series/)
First of all he states that Marvel Studios is VERY aware they messed up with Ultimate Spider-Man by focusing it on kids instead of a family audience and has been doing everything they can to minimize bad feedback because the network already had ordered 2 seasons of the show. Fans have been tearing apart the show on Marvel message boards and protesting against watching it that Agent X confirms that under orders the moderators are deleting ALL bad feedback to keep from scaring off new viewers.
Quote"Marvel was so shocked and in awe at the huge number of complaints the company received for Ultimate Spider-man. The company started censoring their social pages (twitter, facebook) to block users from hating on the show, and therefore spreading the hate online."
Marvel already knows they messed up with HULK Agents Of SMASH as well because they ALSO focused that show on kids and used the same levels of humor and juvenile storylines with lots of action and barely any story at all. So if you AEMH fans were hoping that it was a spin-off show to bring more Hulk adventures with a larger cast but with the same respect for the characters you WILL be disappointed.
Quote"According to Agent X, Avengers Assemble is the most ambitious TV animation project for marvel, ever. Unlike, Ultimate Spider-man and Hulk Agents of SMASH, the new Avengers show is taking cues from the successful Marvel Cinematic Universe, and from the thousands of angry fans comments towards the direction of Ultimate Spider-man. As a result the new show WILL NOT be in the same universe as Ultimate Spidey, nor is it in the same universe as Hulk and the Agents of SMASH."
That news alone makes me take a deeeeeeeep sigh of relief that maybe Marvel Animation learned their lesson and is going to try to capture some of the big screen Avengers awesomeness on the small screen too. It makes sense after all. If they only plan to make Avengers movies as a trilogy then it would be a nice way to have more development with an alternate version of the movieverse.
And Agent X teases that additional 2 animated series are in the works.. one is already spoiled and revealed in the link.
- CQ
I hope at least some of that is true Crimsonquill (mainly the stuff about Avengers Assemble), but Loeb has also gone on record as saying Avengers Assemble is going to be like Ultimate Spider-man. I guess only time will tell.
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Who else instantly recognized Brent Spiner as the voice actor for Purple Man?
Any of you folks up to speed on this story?
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/?a=61993
and
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/19/the-boy-who-hated-ultimate-spider-man/
Allegedly, there was a single disgruntled animation fan who A) hates Ultimate Spider-man for replacing Spectacular SM, B) set up a bogus Marvel TV News website, and C) decided to "announce" that Avengers:EMH was cancelled and all the major news sites picked it up and ran with it.
I'm so confused now.
EDIT:
Apparently, the link to the site crimsonquill posted is the one under scrutiny:
QuoteAgent X (an insider of Marvel) has apparently spilled the beans for Marvel Animation Studios plans for 2012...
http://www.marveltvnews.com/2012/06/13/exclusive-agent-x-spills-the-bean-on-the-future-of-marvel-animation-and-did-he-just-mention-a-new-x-men-tv-series/
I'd take that article with a grain of salt too. While we may not have gotten an official article about EMH bein "cancelled" exactly, other articles independant of that one have confirmed that there is a show called Avengers Assemble in the works, (such as TVGuide's interview with Loeb and Joe Q) and there were indications well before this that loeb wasn't a fan of avengers emh.
So yeah, there might be an awful lot of lies in those articles about just how bad usm is doing and marvel's other projects, I wouldn't be too optomistic about emh being safe just yet.
Mmkay. He may have started the rumors or whatever, but to say it was a one man war with all the negativity out there about USM is inane. He was probably one of the more vocal or outstanding, but I highly doubt he did everything himself. It's true that the show is not well liked by many fans who feel like the show is poorly written and panders to its intended fanbase. There's also evidence that Marvel/Q/Bendis aren't fond of negative comments being put on their pages about the show, as you can't find a single one, and one must admit that that is very odd. I understand the idea behind such a practice, but let's not pretend no one has nothing but positive things to say about the show... on the internet.
We've also seen what Marvel animation/TV has done to good shows in the past. This isn't the 90s where good shows had a chance of lasting 5 seasons and then being ripped off the air without a true finale like Spidey: TAS (or poor animation changes as was the case with X-men: TAS). Shows that come from Marvel these days are lucky to survive two seasons (26-52 episodes) and then they call it a wrap. Examples? MTV's Spider-man (13), Fan 4: World's Greatest Heroes, Wolverine & The X-men, Marvel Superhero Squad, and Spectacular Spidey all bit the dust at those numbers despite how well they may have been doing. Looks like Ironman: Armored Adventures might meet the same fate despite it finally coming into its own. Now, back in the day, lasting 52 episodes would be a major accomplishment for a show (X-men Evo), but with the way these show air their blocks now, it's not as great, especially when you take into account pacing of today's cartoons as opposed to the pacing of the shows that came in the 90s and early 2000s.
Toonzone confirms EMH is canceled: http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=831
Marvel tv news responds to the rumors: http://www.marveltvnews.com/2012/06/20/responding-to-the-lies-that-bleedingcool-published-in-their-article-named-the-boy-who-hated-ultimate-spider-man/
For the record: I hate Ultimate Spider-man. I am not the guy who set up a Marvel TV news site. Therefore, it wasn't a one-man smear campaign.
Just watched Avengers Assemble. Is this the last episode of the series?
Yes it was, apparently.
So, I just watched most of what remained of EMH season 2. With the exception of something they really couldn't do anything about (I'm sorry, even as someone who was OK with USM, that redub by Drake Bell in "Along Came a Spider" was just bad. The whole thing just felt forced.) the latter half of Season 2 was at least as good as the first, and it's a damn shame Loeb's got his head up his arse on this.
Just saw the last episodes. While I wish they'd do a third season, I'm glad they gave this show a true finale. It really ended on a good note.
Well, I've seen the rest of
Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes now, and it turned out pretty well. Add another reason to the list of why Jeph Loeb should be forced to work as a Wal-mart greeter from here on out. Spoilers & specific episode commentary follow:
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The second half of the season was definitely an improvement over the first half. The first half of the season introduced lots of new, ongoing threats, but resolved none of them until Secret Invasion, which was a mistake. Skrull-Cap was dragged on for way too long. From that point however, the season played out more like the first, with several mini-arcs - Vision & Ultron, the Red Skull and Winter Soldier, dealing with the Kree threat - and the standalone episodes were, for the most part, better handled than in the first half of the season.
Still, it wasn't all wine and roses. Galactus and his heralds, while a suitably epic finale topic, seemed to be handled easier than a number of other threats, particularly those that took 2 or even 3 episodes to beat. Most of the ongoing storylines were wrapped up, the Surtur one got a lot of development for never coming to a head (along with Civil War, to a lesser extent). The Hulk was barely in the show past the ninth episode, dropping by to help defeat the Red Hulk, and then a little bit in the finale.
Overall, Avengers never got to live up to its promise. The first season had its flaws, but was a solid beginning. The second season compounded some of those flaws with a shaky start to the season, and without there being a third season, we'll never know if this was a good show that could have become great.
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I get the impression that they'd intended to space some of those later story arcs into the next season (such as the Galactus arc) but they had to prioritize certain stories when they found out they were being cancelled. Had it continued, I'm pretty sure the Kree would have ended this season, and Galactus would have been the finale for next season.
There's lots of Jeph Loeb spin/damage control coming out of Comic-Con re: the Avengers cartoons. He apparently went so far as to suggest Earth's Mightiest & Assemble might share a continuity, and compared it to Brian Michael Bendis taking over writing of the Avengers comic. Am I supposed to feel better about that? Ugh.
Quote from: Talavar on July 18, 2012, 05:49:04 AM
There's lots of Jeph Loeb spin/damage control coming out of Comic-Con re: the Avengers cartoons. He apparently went so far as to suggest Earth's Mightiest & Assemble might share a continuity, and compared it to Brian Michael Bendis taking over writing of the Avengers comic. Am I supposed to feel better about that? Ugh.
That makes me want to give the show LESS of a chance. He should be quiet.
Quote from: Talavar on July 18, 2012, 05:49:04 AM
There's lots of Jeph Loeb spin/damage control coming out of Comic-Con re: the Avengers cartoons. He apparently went so far as to suggest Earth's Mightiest & Assemble might share a continuity, and compared it to Brian Michael Bendis taking over writing of the Avengers comic. Am I supposed to feel better about that? Ugh.
Yeesh... dude needs to make up his mind.
To quote the theme song,
"Our world's about to break, tormented and attacked.
Lost from when we wake, with no way to go back..."
^ Lol, that made my day. I do kind of wonder why they didn't just make EMH season 3 and just shift the avengers roster to match the movie. It'd make the fans way less irritated.
Quote from: Previsionary on July 18, 2012, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: Talavar on July 18, 2012, 05:49:04 AM
There's lots of Jeph Loeb spin/damage control coming out of Comic-Con re: the Avengers cartoons. He apparently went so far as to suggest Earth's Mightiest & Assemble might share a continuity, and compared it to Brian Michael Bendis taking over writing of the Avengers comic. Am I supposed to feel better about that? Ugh.
That makes me want to give the show LESS of a chance. He should be quiet.
... Damn you loeb, you're making me agree 100% with prev. I could forgive you for the Red Hulk overhyping, the nonsensical direction Heroes went after you came on board, the Ultimate universe garbage, maybe even (with time and mental counseling) forgive your for the nonsense with EMH... but damnit loeb, making me agree with Prev is unforgivable!
In all seriousness though, I'm really not regretting my decision to boycott marvel tv and all things related to it. I was reasonably ok with USM, but truthfully it hasn't impacted my life enough that I notice its absence. Marvel can call me when Loeb is fired and/or Avengers Assemble is cancelled.