Earth's Mightiest Heroes - Season 2

[Podmark]

Spoiler

I was on the Registration side too, but yeah the actual story really made them out to be bad guys. Tony was portrayed as an evil jerk at every possible opportunity.
I'd hope it is a little better in the show but as it's a kids show they might be even more tempted to paint the sides in black and white.

I do find it neat that the show is adapting the newer material.

[Previsionary]

This show is on Disney XD and that channel is geared towards 10-15. It's direct competition is NickToons, which airs shows that deal with and hint at death frequently. They can push the boundary a bit if they choose to do so. Heck, the shows on core Disney push the boundaries more than they used to.

Regardless, I think toons in general need to go back to sophisticated storylines that were sometimes present in the 80s/90s. All this sanitizing of today is doing no good and has resulted in some truly blah shows.

[BentonGrey]

Regarding Civil War, I always thought that the concept itself was a really interesting one, but of course, the execution was awful.  I'd be happy to see them tackle the idea with this show, as taking great concepts and polishing them up to great stories is sort of the business of Avengers.

[captmorgan72]

I always thought that Tony taking the government's side never made sense to me. Why would he do that? He was adamant about not allowing the military to use his armor tech. He didn't trust them to not use it for their own agendas, so why would he allow himself and other super powered heroes to be under the authority of the government? The whole civil war story just sort of fell flat with me. It just wasn't believable to me at all. I mean if he really supported the government, why not create an army of Iron Man armors for the military?

[MJB]

Rumors are starting to swirl about that Jeph Loeb (Head of Marvel Animation) has cancelled Avengers: EMH. The rumor states that it will be cancelled & be replaced with an Avengers cartoon in the same style of the new Ultimate Spider-Man toon.

Comicbookmovie.com

[Tomato]

No offense to Marvel, I like USM, but if they do something like that I will boycott all marvel TV programming until whatever replaces it dies. I'm dead serious. Loeb can take his crazy and shove it into Joe Q's behind for all I'd care.

[BentonGrey]

I don't believe this is actually true, but if it is, I wholeheartedly agree with 'Mato.  Such a move would be unconscionable.

[Previsionary]

Um... shouldn't they see how well USM actually sustains an audience before even considering that? USM is mediocre at best as of this moment. Don't push your luck, Loeb.

[Talavar]

Why does anyone let Jeph Loeb do anything at this point? The man is anti-talent.  But until this rumour is confirmed in any way (credibility of source, actual confirmation), I'll take it with a grain of salt.

[Podmark]

So Avengers too will go the way of Spectacular Spider-Man? That's not cool 

[BentonGrey]

Pod, that's a good point.  If this is true they'll have cancelled two excellent to good shows back to back.  That's just outright stupidity...especially when these shows are being replaced by the ridiculously kiddie and insipid Ultimate Spider-Man.

[Previsionary]

Three shows actually. Wolverine & The X-men, Spectacular, and, if it happens, EMH.

[BentonGrey]

Three shows actually. Wolverine & The X-men, Spectacular, and, if it happens, EMH.

Ehh, Wolverine and the X-Men was pretty solid, but it's not in the same league as Spectacular and EMH, in my opinion.

[Cyber Burn]

Three shows actually. Wolverine & The X-men, Spectacular, and, if it happens, EMH.

Ehh, Wolverine and the X-Men was pretty solid, but it's not in the same league as Spectacular and EMH, in my opinion.

I was really disappointed when Wolverine and the X-Men got cancelled, I was looking forward to the AoA arc hinted at in the final episode.

[Podmark]

Three shows actually. Wolverine & The X-men, Spectacular, and, if it happens, EMH.

Well specifically I meant being cancelled for an Ultimate show as the rumour MJB posted states.

[Shogunn2517]

Don't they already have that stupid super hero kiddy squad or something?

Isn't that enough?

[Tomato]

Don't they already have that stupid super hero kiddy squad or something?

Isn't that enough?

First, that show's been cancelled for like, a year now (for the same reasons Spectacular and WatX were... Disney bought Marvel, and those shows were made by other animation companies). Second, having sat through several episodes of the show, Super Hero Squad actually wasn't that bad and I think it was a great way to get younger kids into the marvel universe.

The problem here is not that Loeb wants to replace EMH with a show intended for a younger audience, it's that he wants to replace it with a DUMBER show. There's no problem with EMH from a target audience perspective: The bright colors and visuals appeal to younger kids, while the storyline progression and interesting characters appeal to older audiences. The problem Loeb has, from what I can tell, is that he feels EMH has too large a cast and is not episodic in nature, IE: you can't just skip 3 episodes and expect to understand what's going on. It's the same BS we always heard from Cartoon Network about the JL series: the hour long episodes meant that you had to at least run the two-parters in sequence, and having to pay attention to what order you played the episodes in during syndication was too hard for the network. It was lunacy then, it's lunacy now, and it's why I made the statement I did about boycotting Marvel TV.

EMH is not my favorite show ever: More often than not, it's a love letter to classic Avengers stories that were written before my time and that I have little interest in personally. However, what has always appealed to me about the series (and that kept me involved in a way B&B was never able to) is that the story and characters progress in an intricate and interesting manner. There's not a single moment in the first season where the narrative truly ends, because each arc invariably leads directly into another. That, more than anything, is what brings me back to this show every week.

THAT is why I'm so angry to hear these rumors. It's NOT because this is such a fantastic show that I can't live without it... Great and good shows come and go all the time(Spectacular, WATX), and I can at least grasp WHY Disney doesn't want Marvel shows partly owned by other animation companies out there, even if I don't particularly have to like it. But that's NOT the reason Loeb is supposedly doing this: his reasoning is that it's too well written, too SMART for audiences to enjoy. And that, quite frankly, is something I find abhorrent and disgusting.

[Talavar]

I don't really see how you can do an Avengers cartoon and not have a large cast.  It just doesn't make sense.  My already low opinion of Jeph Loeb is plunging, James Cameron-style, to Marianas Trenchian depths.

[Previsionary]

I don't see how you can do ANY Marvel or DC team show without a large cast. Thinking about it now, I can't recall a Marvel or DC show in the past two decades that didn't eventually swell up in some way, whether it was a team show or "solo." That's the nature of the beast, but I must remember whom I'm talking about and note I haven't been able to track Loeb's thinking for years. For his sake, I'm hoping the rumors are false because he doesn't need to turn even more fans against him and his practices. It would be nice though if Marvel could produce a show that would last longer than two seasons (or 26 episodes). It's a startling trend that they've started, and it makes it hard to root for or get attached to a show when you suspect it'll be ending in under 2 years. I mean, it's shocking that thus far, only Iron Man: Armoured Adventures is in the running for a third season. I NEVER would have expected that.

[Talavar]

Putting unpleasant cancellation-by-an-idiot speculation aside, it's time for a new episode: the Kree have arrived!

Spoiler

Ronan the Accuser comes to judge earth's worthiness for joining the Kree Empire.  We see that SWORD has become a thing, run by Agent Brand with Carol Danvers as an agent, and set up base on Kang's Damocles timeship.  Danvers also makes her first appearance as Ms. Marvel, helping the greatly reduced team take down Ronan.  Oh, and Captain Mar-vell shows up to whine a lot.

A good episode.  It's nice to see another female character join the team (which Ms. Marvel does at the end), particularly one with high-end powers (and the voice of Commander Shepard doesn't hurt at all).  SWORD seems to be a rapidly acquiring a little space navy, with the seized Damocles, and now a Kree starship joining their collection.

Still no Ant-man, who's joined on the bench by Thor, Wasp, Black Panther and Hawkeye (the latter 3 at least get a shout-out that they're doing something else)

[Tomato]

Spoiler

Still no Ant-man, who's joined on the bench by Thor, Wasp, Black Panther and Hawkeye (the latter 3 at least get a shout-out that they're doing something else)

Spoiler

Well, I'm assuming that since the next episode is called "To Steal an Ant-Man," we'll be getting plenty Hank Pym action next week to make up for it.

[captmorgan72]

Spoiler

Found it amusing that Hulk was swatted away like a pesky fly and Carol was the one that put Ronin down. I suppose it made sense though, its not like Hulk was hurt or anything, he was just knocked away every time he came at Ronin. I'm assuming Carol absorbed the cosmic energy Ronin was shooting at her and blasted it back at him. A pretty decent episode. 

[JeyNyce]

Marvel is great with movies and DC is great with cartoons.  Too bad we can't merge them or at least share ideas.

[Cyber Burn]

Marvel is great with movies and DC is great with cartoons.  Too bad we can't merge them or at least share ideas.

That would be nice, since I found this episode of EMH to be at best, just "meh".

[detourne_me]

Spoiler

Who wants to guess that some of the missing avengers will be replaced with skrulls?

[cripp12]

I notice there's a lady who is dressed like The Black Widow in that screenshot.  I only got to see the episodes leading up to Gamma World, so I'm in the dark regarding how the last half of Season 1 played out.

Can somebody sum up how they played out that "Natasha as Hydra's double-agent" twist?  And is the Black Widow in the picture a different character?

which episode was gamma world.

[Tomato]

Edit: I'm editing this post to take some of the unnecessary venom out of it (I'm not a morning person, and I hadn't gotten my caffeine yet.) but really, cripp... you should know better man. You're asking a question about a post made over a month ago, specifically about an episode that aired almost 2 YEARS ago, and one that a simple google search and a wikipedia page would have answered. What's worse, the question completely derails the actual thread discussion, IE: the episodes of Earths Mightiest Heroes that are currently airing.

TLDR; Google is an amazing thing. Use it before looking like a dork in public.

Back on topic, I'm really looking forward to "To Steal an Ant-Man." I suspect it'll introduce Scott Lang, and I've always liked the character despite not really knowing WHY half the time.

Edit 2: I'm going to be honest and admit that cripp's post really didn't warrant the response I gave it... it was a silly question, but when you get right down to it, so is complaining that Ant Man hasn't been in an episode so far when "To Steal an Ant-Man" was brought up in the first page of the thread. It was a wrong place wrong time deal on my end, and I overreacted. I've already PMed cripp a sincere apology for my doofusness, and I'm hoping we can put it behind us.

That said, I'm not going to edit the comments out of the post and pretend like I'm not human. I DID overreact here, and pretending like it never happened is just about as dishonest as it could possibly be.

[Talavar]

Marvel is great with movies and DC is great with cartoons.  Too bad we can't merge them or at least share ideas.

Young Justice is great, but I'd put Avengers above any of the other DC cartoons in production at the moment (the CGI Green Lantern cartoon does nothing for me; 'Beware the Batman' could surprise me, but it doesn't look promising).

[cripp12]

You are right Tomato. I should have googled before jumping the gun. I will think twice before posting.

[Tomato]

Young Justice is great, but I'd put Avengers above any of the other DC cartoons in production at the moment (the CGI Green Lantern cartoon does nothing for me; 'Beware the Batman' could surprise me, but it doesn't look promising).

I can't really agree with that right now... Yeah, the first season was right up there and I can appreciate how some people would like it more (opinions being what they are), but this season just seems... meh so far.

That said, EMH is still better than Green Lantern and will probably be better than Beware the Batman (simply because Professor Pyg exists in it), so I wouldn't say DC is unanimously better than Marvel either.