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E2 Superman and Martian Manhunter? Where's Batman? :lol:
Blackest Night website (http://dccomics.com/sites/greenlantern/)
KRYB!
KRYB!!!!!
YES!
And Earth2 Superman looks kinda naff to be honest, but it just might be the size of the picture. Indigo Lantern reveal is good to.
*EDIT* OMG! Doesn't he look just like the black guy in "From Dusk Till Dawn" after he turns into a vampire????
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Martian Manhunter is a Black Lantern??? Damn it somebody change the system he's supposed to be green.
why are the black lanterns wearing tight black t-shirts... are they supposed to be emo or something?
I'm just glad they're finally releasing a "GL Action Series" John. I steadly get closer to finishing my "Core GL" collection.
And isn't the black t- shirt style a nod to the Black Hand? Looks goofy, nevertheless.
Urgh I knew it was going to be Jonn and Kal-L. I was really hoping one would be Conner.
Hey, didn't Conner wear a black t-shirt?
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Urgh I knew it was going to be Jonn and Kal-L. I was really hoping on with be Conner.
But Conner is Nightwing. Is he?
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Urgh I knew it was going to be Jonn and Kal-L. I was really hoping on with be Conner.
But Conner is Nightwing. Is he?
Was that actually confirmed yet?
when does this series start, i read the sinestro corps story and then missed a bunch of Gl so what have i missed
As a super GL fan (see previous thread) I am super stoked about this series.
Here is a quick recap of the GL story since the Sinestro Corps Wars (which everyone should buy and read, RIGHT NOW!)
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Sinestro was imprisoned in a Science cell awaiting his execution. The Guardians enacted the "Alpha Lanterns", a sort of internal police for the GL corps. Basically a volunteer would literally become part Manhunter with a power battery replacing the more "vital" organs.
The main GL book went through a 6 issue arc that retold the secret origin of Hal Jordan. Most remained the way we remember this but there was some interesting twists:
1. Abin Sur was looking into the prophecy of the "Blackest Night" and what he found scared him so much that he couldn't trust his power ring when he was flying Atrocious (sp?) (the red lantern in the previews) to his prison on the planet Yaslmult (sp?) (the same planet that he heard the prophesy on). That is why he had a ship to crash land with the future Red Lantern as the cause of his death.
2. Young Black Hand was shown to be a little tooooo interested in dead people.
The Zamorons have established the Star Sapphire corps based off Love at the same time the Guardians wrote a new law forbidding love between Corps members. The Love Lanterns have been shown to be able to encase opponents in crystal, as well as the crytal they have on their head will show you your true love (which was interesting when Kyle looked at it).
The Blue Lanterns that where started by Ganthet and his love have revealed themselves. They don't seem to need to ever charge as their power is directly proportional to the faith people have in them, making them an almost science fiction version of Catholic Saints. Two of them where able to reignite a sun and they where able to do it on the faith of the people they where saving alone. They also seem to have the ability to charge GL rings to over 200 percent compacity. GL was warned not to get to close to the main Blue Lantern power battery as it would cause his green ring to explode. (Hope reinforces will)
The Red Lanterns have popped up, thank to Atrocious (now Abin Surs original killer) killing everyone on his plane and using their blood to forge the Red Power Battery. Red Lanterns are described as almost wild animals. They are so consumed with their power, their blood is replaced by the red energy (which they cough up often). And their pwoer rings just say hate and rage all the time. Totally consumed by Rage. Atrocious really despises Sinestro, so don't expect them to team up anytime soon.
The two factions that have yet to be revealed are the Orange Lanterns (based off Greed) and the Indigo Lanters (based off compassion.
All that is known of the Orange lanterns is that they are based in the Vega system, an area of space filled with criminals that no GL may enter. The Guardians made some sort of pact with this system. Newsarama has had some previews of the Orange Lanterns and they are all based off of hunters. If you can imagine a trap door spider with a power ring, you get the clue.
The Indigo Lanterns are the ones we know the least of. All we know is what they look like and that they are shaman types based on compassion.
The Preview looks interesting. I honestly think that any and every dead character will be showing up as a Black Lantern.
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Urgh I knew it was going to be Jonn and Kal-L. I was really hoping on with be Conner.
But Conner is Nightwing. Is he?
Was that actually confirmed yet?
Not yet as far as I know. I don't think it will be until Rucka starts his Action run which stars Nightwing and Flamebird.
I got this feeling it won't be Kon, and I'll be so disappointed. If only him and Bart would come back...
Am I the only one who's hoping that:
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At least one of the earth lanterns will move to one of the other factions permanently? In the current GL comics, the Blue lanterns and Ganthet want Hal to become one of them (though he ends up getting a red ring as his rage towards Sinestro consumes him). In my opinion, there is not enough distinctiveness between the earth lanterns, and this is the perfect opportunity to create some.
What I'm thinking is that Hal might need to become a Blue lantern in order to survive having the red ring put on him, as the Red rings replace all of the users blood and removal of the ring = instant death.
I sooooo hope one of the Black Lanterns is
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C'hp
Quote from: GhostMachine on January 25, 2009, 07:53:10 PM
I sooooo hope one of the Black Lanterns is
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C'hp
Naah...
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Gnort.
Pretty sure one of the Black Lanterns is...
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Erik Estrada
The next to be taken by The Red Lanterns:
http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/10322.htm/
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(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/737/adventure04km3.jpg)
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Umm.... looks pretty.
ooooo I'm very interested!
Quote from: ghazkul on January 24, 2009, 12:04:09 AM
KRYB!
KRYB!!!!!
Would someone be kind enough to explain this to me?
-MJB
I guess they mean this character: http://www.comicvine.com/kryb/29-50473/
Lol, sorry. I was just somewhat hyper when I typed that.
... I hate it when a character's "real name" is a bad pun, or their nom de guerre is a badly spelled word...
I just hope they don't decide to introduce a White Lantern Corps to deal with the Black Lanterns. Although, if they did decide to go that route, I guess the White Lanterns could be deceased characters who willingly return - rather than being undead, which I assume is what the Black Lanterns are - to fight. Would be cool if Abin Sur (for obvious reasons) and Ke'Haan (due to what it would mean for a particular Red Lantern) were members, if they decided to have any former GLs as members.
That particular Red Lantern is no longer an issue.
I'm of the opinion that the "White" Lantern...
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... is going to be Hal, and it'll happen when he has one of each of the other Lanterns' rings. Think about it- he has a Green and a Red right now, is about to get a Blue, Carol Ferris could give him her Star Saphire ring (if she gets one, which is likely), and he's been influenced by Yellow power before, so he could concevibly wield a Sinestro ring. All he'd need is an Orange (he could steal one, which would make him worthy of it), and an Indigo (I have no idea), and BAMMO... White Lantern.
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I'm of the opinion that the "White" Lantern...
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... is going to be Hal, and it'll happen when he has one of each of the other Lanterns' rings. Think about it- he has a Green and a Red right now, is about to get a Blue, Carol Ferris could give him her Star Saphire ring (if she gets one, which is likely), and he's been influenced by Yellow power before, so he could concevibly wield a Sinestro ring. All he'd need is an Orange (he could steal one, which would make him worthy of it), and an Indigo (I have no idea), and BAMMO... White Lantern.
Or "Rainbow" Lantern, and he turns around and not only starts to fight for homosexual rights, but says he is gay, and has been for years. He was just living a lie because he didn't know how the rest of the Corps. and JLA would take it. <_<
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That particular Red Lantern is no longer an issue.
Bah.
I was honestly hoping they'd find some way to fix her eventually. I have her first appearance, and you kind of have to wonder what the heck the Guardians were thinking in letting her be a GL, since she was a
ninja and GLs aren't supposed to kill except under certain exceptions.
Still, Ke'Haan being a White Lantern if they went with the idea I came up with would be interesting because of his family being murdered after he was killed off.
(I should note that I've been keeping up with what's been going on in the GL titles through reading things online, rather than reading the comics - I still can't bring myself to read the books due to my dislike of Hal Jordan and belief that Kyle got the shaft.)
Just out of curiosity, is Pat Gleason still doing art on the GLC book? And what's the current status of the Green Lantern Corpse? (I hope I don't have to explain that....)
(I have a Gleason Kilowog head shot posted in my Comic Art Fans gallery that I got at a con last year; had a tough time deciding between asking for Kilowog or Arisia, my two favorite (living) alien GLs)
Red Lanterns? Black Lanterns? Orange Lanterns? Love Lanterns?!
I used to like Green Lantern a lot. Even if I didn't read the books, I really liked the concept. But what's with all this retconning and stuff?
I'm hoping it all makes much more sense on the inside. In passing, it sounds overwrought and needlessly epic.
Blue Lanterns?
My problem with the Skittle lanterns is that they're supposedly based on the emotional spectrum, and there's one big problem with that: willpower isn't an emotion (or even a lack of emotion, like you could argue reason or logic is).
It's the emotionally neutral color, which is why the Guardian's chose it: it's the only one that doesn't effect the user.
The problem is, there isn't a word in English to properly describe it, but emotion is the best they could come up with. I understand what they mean, though.
check this out... which skittle lantern are you?
http://www.quizilla.com/quizzes/6281401/which-lantern-do-you-deserve
guess which colour i got... Blue!
I got tagged as a Green Lantern.. go figure :rolleyes:
Indigo? I didn't know there was an Indigo Lantern?
Man, I'm joing the Star Sapphires. <_<
I'm actually surprised but I'm a Blue Lantern. I should totally skin my avatar as one.
I'm an Indigo Lantern. Neat.
Hmm...Indigo Lantern, not what I would have guessed. I certainly would have thought that I'd be Green. I'm a bootstraps kinda' guy, after all.
I'm a Star Sapphire...
Also, for anyone who read GLC today, by far my favorite part was:
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The inclusion of Imecsub, the fodder Sinestro who looks suspiciously like Steve Buscemi.
sigh I'm a stinking Green Lantern.
I'm a Blue. Go figure.
I'm a pinko. Gotta love it.
Green Lantern here. When I was a kid, a Green Lantern was all you needed. :)
Really, can someone clarify why all these other colors are necessary? I mean, what do they represent as opposed to GLs? They have different objectives?
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Green Lantern here. When I was a kid, a Green Lantern was all you needed. :)
Really, can someone clarify why all these other colors are necessary? I mean, what do they represent as opposed to GLs? They have different objectives?
as a fellow artist and you're questioning the use of other colours
*hits SHJ with a paint brush*
that's a bad artist, bad bad artist
:P I've always been much more a writer than an artist. Hence, the questions. :D
QuoteYou have the ability to overcome great fear. You have been chosen. Welcome to the Green Lantern Corps. Your ring will guide you to Oa where you will be instructed in the proper use of your newfound abilities as Green Lantern of sector 2814.
Man, that commute is gonna be a pain.
Yeah, they told me the same thing. I was really wanting to be a Silver Lantern...
Green Lantern
Of course, my Yellow Lantern Corps was not based on the same premise as Mr. Johns' Sinestro Corps. We're just knock-offs of the GLs.
QuoteYour compassion knows no bounds, and your desire to cure and heal is selfless. You have been given a battery-staff and purple ring in order to do heal all whom you come across in the universe. You are now an Indigo Lantern.
Green Lantern. Bah. I was sure I'd be Blue.
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QuoteYou have the ability to overcome great fear. You have been chosen. Welcome to the Green Lantern Corps. Your ring will guide you to Oa where you will be instructed in the proper use of your newfound abilities as Green Lantern of sector 2814.
Man, that commute is gonna be a pain.
Think of all those air miles you are gonna rack up.
I am a Green Lantern proud and true.
I'm...pink.
Think of it as "light red" ;)
So, do all you green lanterns want to set up a carpool?
green here, surprisingly
Green for me. Didn't think it would choose that based on my answers though.
Indigo, apparently. I don't really know enough about them to say if that's particularly accurate or not, though.
wow, so many greens and indigos... umm is star sapphire pink or indigo...are they the same?
Only three blues so far it seems :)
kinda surprised no one tried to go for an evil colour yet.
Y'know, what might be fun is to try and answer how a comic book character would answer. My personal opinion is that Captain America and Superman would be either blue or indigo lanterns. The Hulk would be red, Kingpin and Luthor would be orange, Wonder Woman (and most other super heroes) green, Dr. Doom yellow, The Red Skull... well, he likes to cause fear, but it's because he has this repressed rage and hate for humanity... Yeah, red, definitely red.
Blue Lantern here.....
I'm a Blue Lantern--cool
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/Thunder_Prime/bluejohn.jpg)
Green here.
I suspect the survey has a priority for the answers. If you're equally qualified for two or more it gives you the one with the highest priority.
As a test I managed to get orange by always choosing the last answer. (4%)
I got Red by using the second(and third) to last. (it's listed as 2%)
Blue as choice 4 on everything. (16%)
choice 3 (or 1) give Green. (44%)
choice 2 is indigo. (16%)
I managed to get star sapphire by cycling through the answers starting at one. (11%)
7532137451 got yellow. (3%)
Huh? 44+16+16+2+4+11+3=96 Must be a rounding issue.
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Green Lantern here. When I was a kid, a Green Lantern was all you needed. :)
Really, can someone clarify why all these other colors are necessary? I mean, what do they represent as opposed to GLs? They have different objectives?
Yes, they have different objectives and there are several reasons why the story line is good rather then "different color means different enemies" of the past.
First they show the contrast between the guardians methods and why they act the way they do.
Second, it is a great allegory on how the forces of those emotions affect our lives. It is a great cautionary tale to never let any one perspective "color" our actions.
Third, it is a great "character study" of these emotion. Red Lanterns are mindless beserkers, Yellow lanterns are sadistic, Blue Lanterns are almost blinded by faith,
Forth, they are a representation of life, whic I am sure plays into the theme of Blackest Night where Death becomes the enemy.
ohhhh i'm indigo.... i though i would be a star sapphire... :doh:
anyway...indigo is cool :)
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ohhhh i'm indigo.... i though i would be a star sapphire... :doh:
anyway...indigo is cool :)
Same. Granted, out of all of the Lantern's, I think Indigo truly is the only one that suits me.
Hope burns Blue for me...I thought I'de be green, but the internet don't lie...right?
Could we see a Black Lantern Batman? DC seems to be teasing it. Debuting the covers and solicit text for the first month of Blackest Night. (http://comics.ign.com/articles/974/974027p1.html)
Y'see, I don't get that. How can Batman be a Black Lantern if he isn't dead, just time- displaced? And, for that matter, how can Batman be dead and a skelleton in the prestent if he's alive in the future?! HUH!?!
*explodes*
I really want to get into this story but it's near impossible to get any GL issue in my comic shop
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Y'see, I don't get that. How can Batman be a Black Lantern if he isn't dead, just time- displaced? And, for that matter, how can Batman be dead and a skelleton in the prestent if he's alive in the future?! HUH!?!
*explodes*
I'm not sure if this is correct but the Omega Sanction sends him backwards in time, so maybe the body is Batman dead - but Batman is still alive in the past. So he could come back as a Black Lantern because in the present he is dead.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/Torch4ff/greenlanternquiz.jpg)
The light within your heart must not go out! Join the Star Sapphires and save love like yours across the cosmos. Show others the joy it brought you. Remember, follow your heart.
"In brightest day, in blackest night,
no evil shall escape my sight,
let all who worship evil's might,
beware my power - Star Sapphire's Light!
Hmm. Not bad, not bad. :P
Also, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h1yAArJe8c&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h1yAArJe8c&feature=player_embedded)
QuoteI'm not sure if this is correct but the Omega Sanction sends him backwards in time, so maybe the body is Batman dead - but Batman is still alive in the past. So he could come back as a Black Lantern because in the present he is dead.
According to wikipedia, the Omega Sanction causes Batman to die and reincarnate repeatedly, with every life being worse than the last. As a result, he would already be dead countless of times, including the present.
Actually, I figure that if Batman were dead, he'd change in his blue and gray costume for a green and white one. And he'd still wear his bat ears under his hood. (Check out my skins thread).
I'm a Green Lantern too (and I'm currently wearing my green jammies...LOL!)...I like green.
http://www.quizilla.com/quizzes/result/6281401/5328039/
Dana
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on April 21, 2009, 04:04:52 AM
According to wikipedia, the Omega Sanction causes Batman to die and reincarnate repeatedly, with every life being worse than the last. As a result, he would already be dead countless of times, including the present.
Well, I was under the impression that he was shot into the future, as the old man that died in the cave with Bats was a grown- up Kammandi, the Last Boy. But, your explainations make sense. Thanks.
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Hi-Res Scans
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Orange is coming up as a dead link for me.
And Sluggy Freelance fans, is it just me or does Red Lantern Dex-Starr remind you of "KITTEN"?
this si going to kick all kinds of arse
so far i know of coming back
earth 2 supes
mirror master
aquaman
john johnz(sp)
i get thefeeling we may see ted kord, and a bunch more dead villians
Cool blue all the way! :thumbup: and this is one of those events i hate. they make me want to buy comics again. :wub:
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this si going to kick all kinds of arse
so far i know of coming back
earth 2 supes
mirror master
aquaman
john johnz(sp)
i get thefeeling we may see ted kord, and a bunch more dead villians
One of the dead heroes rumored to be a Black Lantern is the Ronnie Raymond Firestorm.
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Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on April 23, 2009, 07:43:54 PM
this si going to kick all kinds of arse
so far i know of coming back
earth 2 supes
mirror master
aquaman
john johnz(sp)
i get thefeeling we may see ted kord, and a bunch more dead villians
One of the dead heroes rumored to be a Black Lantern is the Ronnie Raymond Firestorm.
I haven't heard that one.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on April 24, 2009, 02:43:18 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 24, 2009, 09:19:19 AM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on April 23, 2009, 07:43:54 PM
this si going to kick all kinds of arse
so far i know of coming back
earth 2 supes
mirror master
aquaman
john johnz(sp)
i get thefeeling we may see ted kord, and a bunch more dead villians
One of the dead heroes rumored to be a Black Lantern is the Ronnie Raymond Firestorm.
I haven't heard that one.
It was shown in Black Lantern #0 well his grave.
Quote from: Glitch Girl on April 23, 2009, 03:39:09 PM
Orange is coming up as a dead link for me.
And Sluggy Freelance fans, is it just me or does Red Lantern Dex-Starr remind you of "KITTEN"?
Updated the link G Girl
thanks Midnite. I can see now.
Why is there not one for Star Sapphires?
Personally, I cannot wait for "Black Lantern: Jonothan Kent"! :thumbdown:
Well, at least they can't make Martian Manhunter any lousier.
I found the one for Star Sapphire: http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/7/7b/Star_Sapphire_Corps_03.jpg Neato!
Bah for zombie Aquaman.
You "bah" at the chance that DC can/will/should re-introduce the one true Aquaman?
Why is that? I'm sorry if you don't agree with the story line but this is the only way currently that DC can/will re-introduce Aquaman.
I would think that you, BentonGrey, would be happy.
I know what you mean MJB, and part of me is happy that they are putting steps into motion to bring back the real Aquaman. Like I've said before, I think the GL books are probably one of the only areas of DC that make me almost want to start reading modern mainstream comics again. They seem to be pretty well written, and the concepts they are playing with are quite interesting and engaging to me. That being said, I think Aquaman deserves better, and I don't just mean with Blackest Night. Aquaman deserves better than DC has given him for the last twenty years, and the way they squid-ified him and killed him off is just more of the same really. I feel like, at this point, his return should really be something more, not just part of another event. To repair the damage they've done to him they really need to reaffirm that he is a mainstay of their universe, and I feel like zombie Aquaman is going to be lost among all the other zombie heroes. :mellow: So, "yay" for Blackest Night, "yay" for the return of some other cool characters that DC has slapped around, but "bah" that Aquaman is just another dead face in a crowd.
Arthur Joseph Curry wasn't a bad Aquaman, he just wasn't handled correctly by anyone other than Busiek. Besides he had pre-Crisis' Aquaman's origin (which is kinda cool). I always thought it would be interesting if it was revealed that Artie was Arthur Jr.
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Arthur Joseph Curry wasn't a bad Aquaman, he just wasn't handled correctly by anyone other than Busiek. Besides he had pre-Crisis' Aquaman's origin (which is kinda cool). I always thought it would be interesting if it was revealed that Artie was Arthur Jr.
Actually, that was Golden Age Aquaman's origin (waaaaaaay pre-Crisis...)
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 01, 2009, 03:18:11 PM
Arthur Joseph Curry wasn't a bad Aquaman, he just wasn't handled correctly by anyone other than Busiek. Besides he had pre-Crisis' Aquaman's origin (which is kinda cool). I always thought it would be interesting if it was revealed that Artie was Arthur Jr.
Artie being Arthur Jr. I could have lived with, and it would have fixed one of the biggest problems with poor Arthur anyway. Still, I didn't hate Artie, and I thought that at the end of the series he had turned into a halfway decent character. Still, they took away a character I loved and shoved a replacement that simply wasn't
AS good down my throat. I don't care for that.
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Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 01, 2009, 03:18:11 PM
Arthur Joseph Curry wasn't a bad Aquaman, he just wasn't handled correctly by anyone other than Busiek. Besides he had *golden age* Aquaman's origin (which is kinda cool). I always thought it would be interesting if it was revealed that Artie was Arthur Jr.
Artie being Arthur Jr. I could have lived with, and it would have fixed one of the biggest problems with poor Arthur anyway. Still, I didn't hate Artie, and I thought that at the end of the series he had turned into a halfway decent character. Still, they took away a character I loved and shoved a replacement that simply wasn't AS good down my throat. I don't care for that.
I completely understand but do you blame them after what happened to Aquaman? I personally miss Captain Hook Aquaman. That harpoon hand and his angry seadog attitude actually made me like the character. Plus during that time Tempest was actually cool and his resentment towards Arthur made good character development for the both of them.
I've never read much of the PAD series, so I can't say definitively what I feel about that interpretation of the character...HOWEVER, from the echoes of it I've seen in other places, it seems to me that I wouldn't have been too fond of it. I don't much like having my heroes portrayed as irrational, angry jerks. The idea that he would be noble, demand respect, that kind of thing...yeah, I can get behind that. Well, here:
http://frp.unlimited2.net/highlight-on-aquaman/#more-406
Check out number 2. I will say that, given the disaster the character became after they killed his son, it is hard to blame PAD for that characterization. All in all, give me Aquaman from the SAG run, or from Justice. If you want to understand my point of view on Aquaman, (and you've got a few hours ;)) read that.
Now see, it was the PAD run that got me to like Aquaman. I wasn't too fond of the harpoon hand, but the rest really worked for me. I never saw him as irrational. Angry, maybe but not all the time nor without a pretty good reason.
(Admittedly it's been a long time since I read through that run, and my memory's never been the best, but even is, it was one of the books on my pull for a long time, one I looked forward too each month)
PAD and Morrison (his JLA run) were the best of Aquaman in the 90's. The damage I wrote about is directly connected to Laren, Jurgens (urgh...he is not a good writer or a nice person), The Obsidian Age, and especially Rick Veitch's pirate/LOTR Aquaman. Too much was done to Aquaman too quickly so I completely understood Busiek starting from scratch with Aquaman. It was the perfect time especially considering all the time-punching Superboy Prime was doing. I have a problem with DC always doing this though. I know if Aquaman is in fact resurrected, he'll get a new title it will be good for 20 issues and tank and have something dramatic happen to him yet again.
Morrison's stuff I've read, and it was pretty solid. I still remember this moment from JLA 1 Million where Aquaman looks someone in the eye, and says something along the lines of "I just swam through the frozen seas of Titan and killed an ancient octupus god. Don't screw with me." I could respect Morrison's JLA work (for the most part), and like I said, my actual experience with PAD's work is limited. I don't know...even though I haven't read many of the issues, I have a pretty good idea of what went on in that series, and there is a lot of it that I don't like. Obviously I'm speaking mostly about larger trends, and about things that continued to develop after PAD left the book. PAD was handed a book with certain restraints (including the hook hand, dead son, etc), so his hands were, like most Aquaman writers, tied to a certain extent.
I know what you mean AA...DC just will NOT support Aquaman, and every time the book starts to dip or something, they start playing musical chairs with the creative team or whip another mandated change out of their collective hats.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 01, 2009, 07:07:29 PM
PAD was handed a book with certain restraints (including the hook hand..)...
The harpoon hand was PAD's doing, issue 2(?) of Aquaman vol.5. It was right after the mini-series he did.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 01, 2009, 07:07:29 PM
I know what you mean AA...DC just will NOT support Aquaman, and every time the book starts to dip or something, they start playing musical chairs with the creative team or whip another mandated change out of their collective hats.
I think the problem may be the same problem Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Hawkman, and a lot of other popular character suffer from...they aren't Superman or Batman so they just don't sell as well. I hate to say it but most good writers talents aren't wasted on second tier characters.
Morrison's JLA work is, to me, practically the definition of what the character should be (except that weird WW romance subplot - or was that later?). He could hang with the rest of the JLA without having to have every single story set underwater for him to be the hero. In terms of poor writing and especially continuity issues, though, it could be much worse: he could be Hawkman!
Quote from: The Enigma on May 01, 2009, 07:40:35 PM
Morrison's JLA work is, to me, practically the definition of what the character should be (except that weird WW romance subplot - or was that later?).
Are you talking about the flirting with Aquaman (because that sort of makes sense they are both royality) or with Batman (again makes sense, she can't have Kal so she goes after Bruce).
Quote from: The Enigma on May 01, 2009, 07:40:35 PM
He could hang with the rest of the JLA without having to have every single story set underwater for him to be the hero. In terms of poor writing and especially continuity issues, though, it could be much worse: he could be Hawkman!
Very true. I have no clue what to make of the Hawk-family.
There's actually quite a few reports that state in the past, if DC couldn't make a tier B and below character sell, they'd slowly begin to drop the book. i specifically recall a creator talking about how his run on Wonder Woman was editorially mandated, chopped up, and was never promoted because most of DC's resources went into Batman and Superman and everyone else fell by the wayside.
Now, how can I rope in more of you to do highlights on your favorite and misused characters? :P
Quote from: Previsionary on May 01, 2009, 07:56:42 PM
There's actually quite a few reports that state in the past, if DC couldn't make a tier B and below character sell, they'd slowly begin to drop the book. i specifically recall a creator talking about how his run on Wonder Woman was editorially mandated, chopped up, and was never promoted because most of DC's resources went into Batman and Superman and everyone else fell by the wayside.
Now, how can I rope in more of you to do highlights on your favorite and misused characters? :P
It is so sad to know that Wonder Woman would be considered a tier B character when the truth is she has more potential than Superman and Batman. Their stories are told and retold but if someone actually did something amazing with her the title could really work. Don't get me wrong, I love Gail Simone but my god is the title so boringly dull and the art is hard to look at. Even though Allan Heinberg revamp was plagued with delays, it had great art and an action packed adventure for Diana.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 01, 2009, 07:38:09 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 01, 2009, 07:07:29 PM
PAD was handed a book with certain restraints (including the hook hand..)...
The harpoon hand was PAD's doing, issue 2(?) of Aquaman vol.5. It was right after the mini-series he did.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 01, 2009, 07:07:29 PM
I know what you mean AA...DC just will NOT support Aquaman, and every time the book starts to dip or something, they start playing musical chairs with the creative team or whip another mandated change out of their collective hats.
I think the problem may be the same problem Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Hawkman, and a lot of other popular character suffer from...they aren't Superman or Batman so they just don't sell as well. I hate to say it but most good writers talents aren't wasted on second tier characters.
No AA, I see how I didn't make that clear, but what I meant was that PAD had some problems going into the book (the dead son) and others that were editorially mandated IN the book (the hook hand). He wanted to do something a lot more interesting...I can't remember what it was at the moment, but DC forced the hook on him. Now, the hook isn't NECESSARILY a bad thing, JLU did it and I loved that story and sacrifice...but the way it happens in PAD's book was pretty weak.
I don't think there's much of a question about that AA, and all of those characters have been abused (like The Enigma said, Hawkman is the worst example). I'm not as familiar with the publication histories of some of the others, so I can't say for sure, but I really do believe that all of these books COULD be at least moderately successful. The only problem is that it would take a modicum of effort and support from DC. Johns is interested in writing Aquaman, for example. I for one would be totally willing to buy an "Adventure Comics" type title (if we were talking about a less crippled DCU) that included Aquaman, Hawkman, The Atom, or whoever. As a matter of fact, I'd really enjoy that.
I know you would love if DC's second tier characters were giving the spotlight even in a team book but from a business perspective why would you put your most expensive resources on a product that will lose your company money? You can have artists and writers interested in a character or a title but if it isn't going to make money, a comic company just can't afford to pay talent if the title wont bring in a positive ROI. The same problem happened with Nextwave. It was a cult favorite title but it didn't have mainstream appeal (i.e. sales) so they had to put Warren Ellis and Stuart Immonen on titles that made money.
Maybe, DC will do to Johns what Marvel has done with Bendis but I doubt it. The reason tier 2 characters are resurrected and are heavily featured in Marvel titles are 1) Marvel's flag titles are team books and 2) Bendis likes them (Spiderwoman and Ms Marvel prime examples). A lot of people on this forum hate Bendis but he sells a lot of comics a month for Marvel and for that reason he can do no wrong in their eyes.
Also Marvel has more private held money (due to the success of their movies) and less corporate burden (i.e. no Time Warner playing Mother-May-I) so they have greater control over their IP and can afford to promote lower tier titles (Runaways, Black Panther, and the Marvel Adventure titles).
Well that's the rub, isn't it? What makes a successful book? Can a book be profitable, but not successful? According to DC, yeah, it can. Obviously DC doesn't always treat books great if they aren't top sellers, and a book with a big name attached to it is obviously going to cost more to produce. Still, Green Lantern wasn't DC's most successful book (for the same reason, i.e., it wasn't Batman) until Johns started doing neat stuff with it and DC started supporting it out the wazoo. You also bring up another excellent point, though...the albatross around DC's neck that is Time-Warner. :P
lanterncorps quiz.
I know I am a bit late on this topic......but........
Me.....Green
My olde lady.....Indigo.
My Step son.....Red.
~Z23~
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 01, 2009, 07:51:24 PM
Quote from: The Enigma on May 01, 2009, 07:40:35 PM
Morrison's JLA work is, to me, practically the definition of what the character should be (except that weird WW romance subplot - or was that later?).
Are you talking about the flirting with Aquaman (because that sort of makes sense they are both royality) or with Batman (again makes sense, she can't have Kal so she goes after Bruce).
The Aquaman flirting. I accept that they come from similar worlds and whatnot, but I'm surprised he went as far as to tell her he loved her and then she just pretended not to hear? Or did she actually not hear at all? I haven't got the issues to check at the moment, but I remember it being somewhere near the end of Morrison's run, or possibly at the beginning of the next one.
Johns did a run on Booster Gold (with Jeff Katz) that is quite good, though I doubt it's sales were great. And of course he's left by now and it's slipped. So short term DC would probably be willing to put a Johns on say an Aquaman book - and that would probably be somewhat profitable for a while, but eventually they'll want him on something higher profile.
Who thinks that the Carol Ferris became Star Sapphire again just so she can check up on Hal?
Quote from: Podmark on May 03, 2009, 08:17:10 PM
Johns did a run on Booster Gold (with Jeff Katz) that is quite good, though I doubt it's sales were great. And of course he's left by now and it's slipped. So short term DC would probably be willing to put a Johns on say an Aquaman book - and that would probably be somewhat profitable for a while, but eventually they'll want him on something higher profile.
Well, Aquaman COULD be higher profile, if they supported it properly.
If it would stop you from constantly talking about Aqua-dork, Benton, I'd pay DC to erase him from history. Snap. :P
*Kills Prev....again*
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c185/the_ultimate_evil/random/aquaman.gif)
Hey, my hero can dance...you're just jealous.
So will aquaman get to talk to dead fish now?
lol
Who's Aquaman?
IGN: BLACKEST NIGHT: BATMAN #1 EXCLUSIVE COVER PREVIEW (http://gothamknightsonline.blogspot.com/2009/05/ign-blackest-night-batman-1-exclusive.html)
Blackest Night: Batman (http://gothamknightsonline.blogspot.com/2009/04/eccc-blackest-knight-batman.html)
It seems like these BLACKEST NIGHT teaser ads come in pairs (http://dcublog.dccomics.com/2009/05/08/it-seems-like-these-blackest-night-teaser-ads-come-in-pairs/)
Batman of Earth-2? ;)
Blackest Night cover #2 (http://media.comics.ign.com/media/143/14300105/img_6753956.html)
I am a bit afraid "Black Lanterns" will be "DC's Zombies". The idea of the "dear departed" coming back to haunt the heroes has good potential, but Johns is very irregular, so i don't know what expect...
This cover is awful, thou...
http://i.newsarama.com/preview_images/dcnew/aug09/1/blackestnight.titans.1.jpg
Quote from: John Jr. on May 19, 2009, 05:04:04 AM
I am a bit afraid "Black Lanterns" will be "DC's Zombies". The idea of the "dear departed" coming back to haunt the heroes has good potential, but Johns is very irregular, so i don't know what expect...
This cover is awful, thou...
http://i.newsarama.com/preview_images/dcnew/aug09/1/blackestnight.titans.1.jpg
Yeah, someone should be slapped over that cover if it actually makes it to newsstands (an outdated term, I know, but it gets the point across). Seriously. :thumbdown: :ooh
The drool was unnecessary.
...
And awsome.
So Beast Boy is a necrophiliac now?
A list of confirmed Black Lanterns, some heroes, some heroes relatives:
http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/05/19/damn-dirty-zombies-preview/
*is unsure of whether or not to be horrified*
It'll be funny if they don't stay dead. :)
Blackest Night: Superman cover (http://media.comics.ign.com/media/143/14349574/img_6748198.html)
you know I really like the Superman costume he is wearing I just would rather see it on a living Superman
Spoilers's
Well Superboy isnt a Black lantern yet the reserected him in Legion 3 Worlds so hopefully he will stay alive
ALIVE!?!?
The events of Legion Of 3 Worlds saw the triumphant and seemingly permanent return of Bart Allen as Kid Flash in its third installment. And in the fourth, another mind blowing resurrection was acheived.
For months, Starman has been a mainstay in the JSA, his constant excuse being that he was on a mission from Braniac 5. However, it was never really clear what Starman's mission was. That is, it wasn't until he snuck into a cemetery in the middle of the night and began digging up a grave with the Kent name on it.
Fast forward to the future, where the three Braniac 5's are waiting in Superman's Fortress of Solitude for Dawnstar, Polarboy, and Wildfire to return from the past with a strand of Lex Luthor's hair. They put the hair into a Kryptonian Chrysalis hidden bebeath the fortress. The Chrysalis was what brought Superman back from death when he died, and after the hair was added and the Chrysalis' program was completed, Superboy was revived!
Aparently, Starman put Conner's body into the Chrysalis all those thousand of years ago (A.K.A. NOW), and it slowly revitalized him. The only thing they still needed was the other half of Conner's DNA: Lex Luthor's.
Conner went directly after Prime, eager to dish out his revenge. And while Conner is alive and fighting, it is still unclear if he will stay that way, or if he will ever make it back to the presesnt. But there's still one more issue of LO3W to find out
O_O! SWEET! I neeed to find that. :)
Quote from: John Jr. on May 19, 2009, 11:06:20 PM
A list of confirmed Black Lanterns, some heroes, some heroes relatives:
http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/05/19/damn-dirty-zombies-preview/
how am i missing all these books, bloody bandwagoners
SDCC 09: Blackest Night Invades Comic-Con DC Direct reveals exclusive figure set for blockbuster summer storyline. (http://comics.ign.com/articles/994/994259p1.html)
I want the wearable rings! :(
I WANT.
... Does that make me an Orange Lantern?
nope. I'd want the blue one most.
http://dcublog.dccomics.com/files/2009/06/gl_43_p12-13-1-copy.jpg (http://dcublog.dccomics.com/files/2009/06/gl_43_p12-13-1-copy.jpg)
A scan from Green Lantern #43. Contains spoilers on those that we'll be resurrected/zombied out.
Oooooohhh, Sweet Christmas!
I'd be interested in how Deaman will be portrayed, as well as The Question.
Quote from: The Hitman on June 17, 2009, 05:45:25 PM
Oooooohhh, Sweet Christmas!
I'd be interested in how Deaman will be portrayed, as well as The Question.
Deadman is just dumb, considering he's a ghost. I'd like to see it go wrong and he ends up being a wildcard by his spirit possessing his zombified body and turning against the Black Lanterns.
Not too thrilled that Bruce Wayne is one of those mentioned.
You know it's funny....sad? horribly depressing? how many of those depicted deaths are just plain terrible and worthless.
Blackest Night: Superman #2 Cover (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/dccomics/200909/dcu/BLN-SupermanCv2-solicit.jpg)
Quote from: murs47 on June 17, 2009, 05:25:50 PMhttp://dcublog.dccomics.com/files/2009/06/gl_43_p12-13-1-copy.jpg (http://dcublog.dccomics.com/files/2009/06/gl_43_p12-13-1-copy.jpg)
A scan from Green Lantern #43. Contains spoilers on those that we'll be resurrected/zombied out.
Dang that's a long list.... I do like how it has a mix of character types. and reasons for death.
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(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/BlackestNight3.jpg)
So far I think the Black Lanterns look inane.
really? Cause I'm totally loving those outfits.
Hehe... Those ARE some sweet redesigns. :)
:spoiler:
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(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/BlackestNightSuperman2.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/BlackestNightBatman2.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/BlackestNightTitans2.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/GreenLantern46.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/GreenLanternCorps46.jpg)
I don't find the costumes so terrible, and Blackest Night itself might not be too bad. For me, the problem is all of the stories BEHIND it. :P
Quote from: BentonGrey on June 19, 2009, 01:11:49 PM
I don't find the costumes so terrible, and Blackest Night itself might not be too bad. For me, the problem is all of the stories BEHIND it. :P
Imagined story conference at Somethingorother Comics:
"Sales are down after raising our prices again, so we need to boost sales. Who's left we can kill off?"
Superboy looks older than Superman.
I am very excited about the new Bat Family but Tim as Red Robin seem forced. It is like they decided Dick should be Batman because being Nightwing is a dead end and than they do the same exact thing to Tim.
Benes' work is so blah.
The rest look ok.
I like Benes. his is some of my favorite character art.
Quote from: Midnite on June 19, 2009, 05:24:54 AM
:spoiler:
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(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/BlackestNightBatman2.jpg)
There's something strange, in the neighborhood, who ya gonna call?
I think I'm going to be ill personally. I should have known better than to look at this thread.
Zombies are a little hackneyed.
I'm kinda annoyed at how the Sinestro corps member from Shadowlass's home system got sealed inside the Book of the Black. :( I hope she's not dead.
I think Psycho Pirate being one of the Black Lanterns is stupid. His power was making people feel emotions based on his facial expressions, and since he has no face....
This storyline could be good or bad, depending on the outcome and aftermath. The problem I see is that Johns likes to do extreme violence when he can get away with it, and if he's not willing to have heroes cast aside their reluctance to get down and dirty, it'll suck. Since the Black Lanterns are already dead, using what whould normally be lethal force against them SHOULD be an option.
That said, I hope the storyline leads to a few characters being resurrected (Ronnie Raymond and Ted Kord, for instance), and they don't pull the "some of the dead heroes fight it and turn on the Black Lanterns so the good guys win" crap at the end because that would be too cliche.....unless the dead heroes actually turn on and kill the main bad guy, that is.
I'd be interested in seeing the Dead heros or maybe some of the dead villains.... Stop being quite so dead and have that as their reason for changing sides.
That is exactly what I was thinking. All the rules are gone - Barry Allen is back.
Hehe... It'd be really interesting seeing Crystal Frost try to stop the Earth-2 Superman. :)
You know, I REALLY love the Red Robin costume being brought into the Batman books....I just hate who is wearing it. I love that costume, and I think it could have been part of an excellent direction to take Dick, in an Earth 2 sorta' way, instead of all the Nightwing Awfulness. It does look a lot better than his bright yellow Earth 2 costume, or the one that had elements of Batman in it, even if I do like the first one in spite of itself. If I had my 'ruthers, I'd have Dick as Red Robin and Bats back with the cowl until he could find a better ending. That being said, I have nothing against Dick taking up the cowl, just that I hate all of the continuity behind it. :P
Quote from: BentonGrey on June 26, 2009, 02:42:24 PM
... I hate all of the continuity... :P
And get those kids off my lawn! Darn whipper- snappers!
Fixe'd! :thumbup:
All in good fun, Benton, all in good fun.
Ha, hey, that's why I started the DCUG, right? Someone needs to fix these things! ;)
What kills me in all of this is that in these latest events DC has created a chance to correct so many of the wrongs done to their characters throughout the years...instead they seem intent on compounding them.
Quote from: BentonGrey on June 26, 2009, 04:34:30 PM
Ha, hey, that's why I started the DCUG, right? Someone needs to fix these things! ;)
What kills me in all of this is that in these latest events DC has created a chance to correct so many of the wrongs done to their characters throughout the years...instead they seem intent on compounding them.
Did you read "Legion of Three Worlds", Benton? Is a fine example of this problem...
I believe Johns need a looooong vacation, the guy is burned...
nightwing kicks all kinds of arse, sorry BG but it's true
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on June 27, 2009, 08:35:12 AM
nightwing kicks all kinds of arse, sorry BG but it's true
Have to agree with you, the stories are real good and its refreshing. But I dont consider him to be the Batman, just a very good replacement until Bruce comes back sometime next year, if Morrison is telling the truth.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on June 27, 2009, 08:35:12 AM
nightwing kicks all kinds of arse, sorry BG but it's true
Sorry TUE, I just don't see it. Now, I don't hate Nightwing specifically FOR his career as Nightwing, although I am not a fan per se. Instead, I hate him for how he became Nightwing as much as anything else.
Quote from: BentonGrey on June 27, 2009, 09:10:40 PM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on June 27, 2009, 08:35:12 AM
nightwing kicks all kinds of arse, sorry BG but it's true
Sorry TUE, I just don't see it. Now, I don't hate Nightwing specifically FOR his career as Nightwing, although I am not a fan per se. Instead, I hate him for how he became Nightwing as much as anything else.
I'm not really too much of an expert of how Grayson Robin became Nightwing. Can you please give me a brief summary on how this was handled and why you disliked the handling?
I have two problems with how Dick became Nightwing:
1. They made Batman come off like a jerk when they split Batman and Robin up. (Batman more or less fired Robin (Dick) as his partner a bit after the Teen Titans reformed (The New Teen Titans series); sure, it was okay for Batman to run around with the Justice League, but a no-no for Robin to have his own team)
2. His origin as Nightwing is tied to Superman. He got the name Nightwing from a conversation he had with Superman. Superman told him about a dream he had regarding a hero running around in Kandor, and Dick took the name from that.
The one thing I like about how they're handling Dick as Batman now is that they're not doing it the way Marvel handled making Bucky the new Captain America; they're covering the fact Bruce is dead so the Batman myth won't be ruined; as far as the bad guys know, its the same Batman as always.
I can live with Red Robin; what I don't like is that they're keeping Damien around; he killed the Spook (and brought his severed head to the Batcave) and tried to kill Tim Drake, yet they haven't locked him away in a cage or reserved a cell in Blackgate for him.....
A better look at some of the Black Lanterns
http://media.comics.ign.com/media/142/14295096/img_6909789.html
Anyone else think its weird that all the other Black Lanterns we've seen so far are completely dressed in black and silver, yet
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Aquaman still has his orange scale shirt
?
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And I can't believe it, but I'm still ticked off they killed off the original Firestorm (and how they did it), but I actually think he's one of the best designed Black Lanterns.
what mystifies me more is that they chose KRYB as the Sinestro corps member....
Green Lantern #43 Spoilers (http://afghanant.wordpress.com/)
Just finished reading spoilers on your blog AA. And I disagree with one thing.
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It doesnt confirm that Bruce is dead, all that people in the DCU have seen is Superman holding his charring corpse, which Didio strongly hinted wasnt Bruce`s. Plus Morrison also said that final panel in the FC was drawn so that the readers would know that Bruce is still alive. So Black Hand or whoever is mentioning those names (havent read the issue, just that page) is just assuming (like the rest of DCU) that he is dead.
Actually, what I've read, you're both wrong about Bruce.
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From what I understand about the Omega Sanction that was used on him, it basically sets Bruce into a reincarnation cycle. So, yes, he is dead, but he is also alive in a reincarnated form in another time and place.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on July 09, 2009, 09:37:22 PM
Actually, what I've read, you're both wrong about Bruce.
Spoiler
From what I understand about the Omega Sanction that was used on him, it basically sets Bruce into a reincarnation cycle. So, yes, he is dead, but he is also alive in a reincarnated form in another time and place.
This is why I hate major comic deaths. They are confusing.
Actually...
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...you're all wrong! Bruce faked his death to pursue a career in ballet.
What Murs really means is...
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Bruce Wayne is trapped in the past, and he finds himself leaping from life to life, putting things right that once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap will be the leap home.
Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on July 10, 2009, 02:21:30 AM
What Murs really means is...
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Bruce Wayne is trapped in the past, and he finds himself leaping from life to life, putting things right that once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap will be the leap home.
Does that make:
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Dick Grayson Al?
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Barbara Gordon can be Ziggy
You guys gave me a good laugh. Yes, it is all both odd and confusing. Whatever the DC people are smoking can't be legal.
Um, I got a story thing about "Doomsboy". Kinda neat actually. Hehe... New member for Teen Titans!
Quote from: marhawkman on July 10, 2009, 04:56:52 PM
Um, I got a story thing about "Doomsboy". Kinda neat actually. Hehe... New member for Teen Titans!
How did you miss it? It was right at the top - http://afghanant.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/green-lantern-43-blackest-night/
All I know is this...us undead are finally getting our due without all the brain eating involved! :thumbup:
O_O! they're already showing the black version of Ion!?!?!?
For those buying the first issue. Remember to ask your local comicbook store for the black ring. :D
(http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ring-300x300.jpg)
Picked up issue #1 and got the plastic black ring.
I picked it up today, and I thought it was awesome.
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I really enjoyed the short cameos by other DC characters, including Connor and Bart. The shot of the Rogues was cool, The scenes with the Hawks I found kind of boring until the Black Lanterns showed up, and though the issue was mostly buildup, I thought it was really cool when the action started up. Art was really good, but the female guardians looked like males. I didn't even realize they were women until someone else pointed it out to me.
I've read the first issue and my reaction is mostly positive...mostly...
I do have reservations about what could be viewed as yet another late entry to the Zombie bandwagon.
I also think that those opposed to death and extreme violence will not like this series, if the first issues ending is a taste of what to expect.
But, having said that, it's a good read, and seems like a fair attempt to graft a Zombie type story onto the DCU without copping out and saying it's an imaginary alternate universe (waves at Marvel Zombies).
And if you absolutely have to have a Zombie superhero story, it might as well at least pretend to be tied into a larger storyline that fits in with some of the established premises of the universe it's in, rather than just say "heres everyone as zombies, isn't that cool?" (waves at Marvel Zombies).
However, they are several years late to the Zombie party, and this really should have appeared years ago to not feel like a bandwagon-er (waves at Marvel Zombies for at least appearing several years earlier than this).
The art is good, and the story, though a little slow to get going, is genuinely shocking when the action starts, and rather moving. But, I'm sure some will just see what many criticize Johns for, death, violence and a fair amount of moderately angst-y talking.
I enjoyed it. I have no idea what's coming or why, really, and a moderate amount of faith in Johns and co. to get us there.
I liked it. Just thought you all should know....heh. ^_^
I thought it was great.
I really dug it. I'm not sure what to make of the Black Lanterns though. Obviously not run-of-the mill zombies. Still wanting to know if these are the real souls of the characters reanimating the bodies and forced into service by the ring or if the power behind the rings reanimates them with a semblence of the true personality of the characters just to unnerve the heroes...
Aquaman and GL#44 preview
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(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1927/blackestnight2variant.jpg)
(http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/100/1005034/green-lantern-vol-4-20090717023930716.jpg)
Blackest Night: Tales of the Corps #2 Preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/100/1004734p1.html)
Blackest Night's Future: October 2009 (http://comics.ign.com/articles/100/1005192p1.html)
What I think is interesting is that this indicates that, if he had a power ring, The Flash would have a blue one.
Yeah, Superman Blue coming up...
Yeah, I bet there'll be a lot more of that soon.
So, I was looking at IGN's preview for Batman: Blackest Night...
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From the looks of things, the ring animates Deadman's corpse, but his ghost is still out and about completely unaffected by it. This might mean that there isn't actually any of the real person's spirit/mind in the Black lanterns, and they just have access to the memories of the deceased.
As a side note, the cover of Batman: BN seems to indicate that Black Lantern Deadman has deadman's powers (or a varriation). But how would that work, I wonder, if it is his actual physical body? Then again, it might just be cover shenanigans.
Wonder what happens when Jim Corrigan(or whoever is The Specter these days)'s body gets ressurrected. Perhaps Black hand wouldn't like meeting the right hand of the almighty.
I concur Zippo. I don't think it really does.
DAMN YOU GEOFF JOHNS! :angry:
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Kyle is dead :(
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DAMN YOU GEOFF JOHNS! :angry:
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Kyle is dead :(
Technically Johns didn't write that.
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:( :( :( :( He was my favorite
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Kyle was my favorite too. That sucks. :(
Then again, there's probably going to be some serious resurrectin' goin' on after this event is over. Not that that helps much...
Quote from: Podmark on November 12, 2009, 09:05:51 PM
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DAMN YOU GEOFF JOHNS! :angry:
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Kyle is dead :(
Technically Johns didn't write that.
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:( :( :( :( He was my favorite
He was planning his death ever since, he brought back Hal.
I always thought comic fans in general did not like him, but I always considered him one of the best characters for that sort of power, even though writers loved doing awful things to him.
I love making vague statements so I dont have to use spoiler text.
Y'know, I'm not even sure most fans ever did dislike him, it was more that they disliked what was done with Hal to make way for kyle... not that I'd know, really, because most of my exposure to Hal was post mortem.
It is sort of bizzare though... inevitably when GL discussions come up between my Dad and I, he's the Kyle supporter while I'm more of a fan of Hal. Not that I have anything against Kyle mind, but to me Rebirth and the subsequent issues of GL really made me love the character
Quote from: Midnite on November 12, 2009, 10:41:46 PM
He was planning his death ever since, he brought back Hal.
Has he actually said this? I just find it hard to believe considering
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He brought Hal back years ago and could have Killed Kyle in a number of high profile series he's written including the Sinestro Corps war. Only to let Peter Tomasi kill him off in Green Lantern Corps. Kyle's just barely appeared in Blackest Night.
Also I can't say I'm ready to write Kyle off just yet. A lot of characters have died through Blackest Night and I'm not sure all of them will stay that way.
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Sad to hear the news. I was always a Kyle fan. I only just now realized something. Kyle can come back as a Black Lantern now can't he? (haven't read the issue so if that already happened it's news to me.
C'mon guys, We all know how this is gonna end... (http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2009/11/16/lil-formers-172-blackest-night) ;)
(Sorry, could NOT resist.)
On a more serious note, I am tending to agree with Podmark on his theory. There a "whole lotta fixin'" vibe I'm getting for when this event is finally resolved.
I tend to agree with GG's impression.. i think many heroes and villains will come back to life...
Quote from: The_Baroness on November 18, 2009, 12:21:03 AM
I tend to agree with GG's impression.. i think many heroes and villains will come back to life...
Omega Hour?
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Yeah, I find it interesting that Nekron called him "Bruce Wayne" (with quotation marks), and that he didnt respond to any of the people calling him Bruce, there were some speculations that it wasnt Bruce`s corpse, and all of this seems to support that fact. BN 6 will probably make it clearer.
Quote from: bat1987 on November 25, 2009, 10:44:07 PM
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Yeah, I find it interesting that Nekron called him "Bruce Wayne" (with quotation marks), and that he didnt respond to any of the people calling him Bruce, there were some speculations that it wasnt Bruce`s corpse, and all of this seems to support that fact. BN 6 will probably make it clearer.
Hmm good catch. I was wondering about that during the issue.
Really enjoyed the issue too, probably my favorite of the series and the week.
Also in JLA this week, a Blackest Night tie-in, Dr. Light reached an all new low - which is saying alot for him.
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he raped a black lantern?
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Well, he was found licking the salt off of what used to be Firestorm's girlfriend... so you're kinda right, Detourne.
OMG!!! That is so wrong and awesome at the same time. I'm a shock guy by the way. Found new respect for Black Adam when he ripped that guy in two on national television.
That....is...ughh....taken in context of his history, that is precisely the reason I don't read modern comics.
i actually like a lot what they did to light in modern comics. the character really did became a joke when he was just a punchbag for the teen titans, and it really was in contradiction whith his former appearance as a nearly death threat to all the justice league. so what happened in identity crisis was actually a agood surprise for me (for that character i mean) and making him creepier and creepier seems to fit him well, like he's catching up on all the occasion he missed while he was
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brainwashed
he's actually a threat and a serious villain once again; in a sense you're afraid when he shows up, if not for how powerful he is but for how evil he is
Quote from: BentonGrey on November 30, 2009, 05:50:24 PM
That....is...ughh....taken in context of his history, that is precisely the reason I don't read modern comics.
Same here. I can't understand why all "events" must have a blood bath to be "relevant". The sequence with Firestorm's girlfriend was gratuitous IMHO.
Quote from: Trelau on November 30, 2009, 07:39:01 PM
i actually like a lot what they did to light in modern comics. the character really did became a joke when he was just a punchbag for the teen titans, and it really was in contradiction whith his former appearance as a nearly death threat to all the justice league. so what happened in identity crisis was actually a agood surprise for me (for that character i mean) and making him creepier and creepier seems to fit him well, like he's catching up on all the occasion he missed while he was Spoiler
brainwashed
The book where he takes on and dominates all of the Titans from a while back did a lot more to reestablish him as a legitimate threat and worthwhile villain than the defile of a helpless woman or the defiling of a corpse.
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i actually like a lot what they did to light in modern comics. the character really did became a joke when he was just a punchbag for the teen titans, and it really was in contradiction whith his former appearance as a nearly death threat to all the justice league. so what happened in identity crisis was actually a agood surprise for me (for that character i mean) and making him creepier and creepier seems to fit him well, like he's catching up on all the occasion he missed while he was Spoiler
brainwashed
The book where he takes on and dominates all of the Titans from a while back did a lot more to reestablish him as a legitimate threat and worthwhile villain than the defile of a helpless woman or the defiling of a corpse.
But that Titans fight never would have existed without Identity Crisis.
I find Dr. Light to be pretty much a joke villain still, in a "whats that wacky Dr. Light going to do next?" type of way.
I used to love comics as a kid because even I poor guy like me could afford them. These days comics are overpriced, and the storylines are so horrific I could never in good conscience hand one to a kid.
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i actually like a lot what they did to light in modern comics. the character really did became a joke when he was just a punchbag for the teen titans, and it really was in contradiction whith his former appearance as a nearly death threat to all the justice league. so what happened in identity crisis was actually a agood surprise for me (for that character i mean) and making him creepier and creepier seems to fit him well, like he's catching up on all the occasion he missed while he was Spoiler
brainwashed
The book where he takes on and dominates all of the Titans from a while back did a lot more to reestablish him as a legitimate threat and worthwhile villain than the defile of a helpless woman or the defiling of a corpse.
But that Titans fight never would have existed without Identity Crisis.
I find Dr. Light to be pretty much a joke villain still, in a "whats that wacky Dr. Light going to do next?" type of way.
I think that's debatable, Pod. I don't mean to argue that it didn't, in fact, follow IC, but I do mean to say that a story like that was in no way bound to the villain being a sexual predator.
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i actually like a lot what they did to light in modern comics. the character really did became a joke when he was just a punchbag for the teen titans, and it really was in contradiction whith his former appearance as a nearly death threat to all the justice league. so what happened in identity crisis was actually a agood surprise for me (for that character i mean) and making him creepier and creepier seems to fit him well, like he's catching up on all the occasion he missed while he was Spoiler
brainwashed
The book where he takes on and dominates all of the Titans from a while back did a lot more to reestablish him as a legitimate threat and worthwhile villain than the defile of a helpless woman or the defiling of a corpse.
But that Titans fight never would have existed without Identity Crisis.
I find Dr. Light to be pretty much a joke villain still, in a "whats that wacky Dr. Light going to do next?" type of way.
I think that's debatable, Pod. I don't mean to argue that it didn't, in fact, follow IC, but I do mean to say that a story like that was in no way bound to the villain being a sexual predator.
Yes you are correct, the event of IC weren't required to do that, but what I meant was that had that story never happened the Titans story wouldn't have happened. Just no one would have been in a hurry to use Doctor Light as a credible threat again. It's what these events do, they trigger creator and fan interest in characters.
There could have been other ways of making DL much scarier without resorting to defile. Riddler became scarier by making him a little more homicidal rather than making him a rapist. DL could have developed some sort of psychosis that made his power scarier and more unpredictable.
I'm with Benton and Tawodi Osdi here, I feel we have less and less plot and more senseless violence and "shocking scenes" in every new "event". Identity Crisis was only the beginning, but it was like Pandora's Box. Now we have things like the never ending Superboy Prime saga, no plot, no characterization, tons of blood. Light could be used like a revenge driven psycho genius able to menace the JLA without the defile and necrophilia angles.
Super serial rapist and killer for me, thank you.
Y'know... I may just be tired to the point of insanity, but this is the most awesome thing I've seen in a while (http://captaincruiser.deviantart.com/art/Black-Lantern-Abe-Lincoln-137916759).
Quote from: The Hitman on December 06, 2009, 04:59:05 AM
Y'know... I may just be tired to the point of insanity, but this is the most awesome thing I've seen in a while (http://captaincruiser.deviantart.com/art/Black-Lantern-Abe-Lincoln-137916759).
Nono, that's easily cooler then most of the zombie heroes
I saw a cool Michael Jackson BL a while ago. I'd have to hunt down the link though.
Well, due to my connections in the publishing world I have already Bklackest Night Number 6 and the biggest surprise is......
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The new Lantern Corps members!!!
Red Lantern Mera of Atlantis!!!
Orange Lantern Lex Luthor!!!!
Yellow Lantern Scarecrow!!!!
Green Lantern Ganthet!!!
Blue Lantern Barry Allan!!!
Indigo Lantern Ray Palmer!!!
Violet Lantern Wonder Woman!!
I don't know what the future holds for Blackest Night, but it just moved into a whole new level of awesomeness!
Yeah, and Ganthet revealed that he can make any color of Ring that he wants.
Really? That's what they're doing with Mera? After all the actual character development and non-crazy, real heroics that they've given her, that's what they're doing? I guess the Aqua-family just has no luck.
Don't be too quick to judge, Benton. Given the list of "new" Lanterns, I'd almost guarentee this is only temporary. And the same issue had Mera fighting BL Wonder Woman to a standstill. I wouldn't be suprised if one of the book that is spun out of Blackest Night is an Aquawoman book starring Mera.
You know how everyone had come to the idea that Hal would be the White Lantern....I think that instead someone else is going to be it...who you ask...why I think it might be
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Dove because of what happened in BN: Titans.
Heh, then maybe there could be a battle between white lantern and monarch!
Hmm.... Well we know they need to recreate the "white light of Creation" but ATM that seems to be done by merging the energies created by every power ring simultaneously.
Is it just me or are you guys burnt out on our heroes doing nothing but fighting dead folk?I really liked the Blackest Night at first but now just seeing a Black Lantern makes me want to hurl :(And how is it that some can remove the rings on their own,like Superboy in Adventure Comics #7 :huh:and Wonder Woman with a little help from a Sapphire ring.Anyway,the whole story has just kinda fizzled for me :(Sorry for the rant,maybe the last two issues will kick butt :unsure:
Zombie bashing is becomming a little repetitive...but what really bugs me is the lack of concern from the heroes...I mean they don't seem to worry at all for the universe. They were a little annoyed to have to fight their dead loved ones, but they don't even think that they might lose. Hal even went "oh yeah it's nekron, we totally already beat him once" like he was planning to be done by lunch. That bugs me to no end. I have no apprehension whatsoever. Sinestro Corp War had me worried, when people like cyborg superman and prime got their hand on a yellow ring i though there'd be major damage/death, and the battle in new york where everyone teamed up against prime was escellent. But the blackest night battle...not even a chill. There still two issue so maybe the final battle will be more enjoyable.
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Major spoiler for Blackest Night #7
Click if you dare. Leak pic of the last page.
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(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5010/46377084.jpg)
Wow! Is that....
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Sinestro?!?!
That was my impression, GM... I'd agree.
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hum...i though someone said that we were gonna have proof that Guy was right to believe he was the best lantern...what happened to that idea? i had also made the comment that Hal had own almost all ring at one time (green since forever, yellow during the sinestro corp war, red forced on him by atrocitus, blue given by saint walker to free him from red, and orange when he grabbed agent orange lantern) and was in a good position to became the/a white lantern. but sinestro? why him?
Because in the present mythos, Sinestro WAS the greatest GL before Hal Jordan. EVERYTHING he has done has been for the good of all sentients. The fact that you can't see it is YOUR problem, not his.
I still preferred Tomar Re.
Thanks for the uncalled for agressivity and the non-use of spoiler banner.
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i'm aware of current-continuity sinestro's story, the all sacrifice of himself to serve others even if it means being a paria thing. the blackest night books even add nice flashback about his losses (best friend, love of his life,etc). i just don't see any build up to him being the representation of "the white light of creation". the writers threw a number of clues in the air (dove not being resurrected because he is "at peace", the new dove being imune to black lanterns, plus the quote about Guy and the events happening to Hal i mentioned before). Maybe this issue will explain why he's chosen, but i kinda doubt it. and even if he is in fact the greatest lantern ever, i always was under the impression that he was portrayed as "tainted" because of his extremism, but maybe that's just my impression
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The good guys win Blackest Night and there's a follow up called brightest day. Oh, and dead heroes are brought back but not as zombies.
;)
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The good guys win Blackest Night and there's a follow up called brightest day. Oh, and dead heroes are brought back but not as zombies.
;)
Link or it didn't happen.
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Thanks for the uncalled for agressivity and the non-use of spoiler banner.
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i'm aware of current-continuity sinestro's story, the all sacrifice of himself to serve others even if it means being a paria thing. the blackest night books even add nice flashback about his losses (best friend, love of his life,etc). i just don't see any build up to him being the representation of "the white light of creation". the writers threw a number of clues in the air (dove not being resurrected because he is "at peace", the new dove being imune to black lanterns, plus the quote about Guy and the events happening to Hal i mentioned before). Maybe this issue will explain why he's chosen, but i kinda doubt it. and even if he is in fact the greatest lantern ever, i always was under the impression that he was portrayed as "tainted" because of his extremism, but maybe that's just my impression
Hey Trelau...I think he was just doing a little "Sinestro" schtick...not being aggressive but Daglob you shoulda used a spoiler. ;)
Cover spoilers if you haven't read Blackest Night #7
After the events of Blackest Night #7, which came out yesterday, DC reveals two covers for Green Lantern #52 (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/02/theres-a-new-lantern-in-town/)
Embarassed apologies to any and all.
really none needed, as i arlready said via pm, it's my fault for not seing the second degree here
so let's move on ^_^
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the second cover intrigues me, it looks like he's destroying the two lantern batterie to recharge himself, i wonder if that's how the white light works, by sacrificing/merging the existing colors (wich could provide a good excuse for cleaning up all the new corps and leaving green alone, wich i hope will be the case post-blackest night). it might also be cover-nonsense, so hard to tell if these cover are really meaningfull
why would you want all the other lanterns gone? atrocious, agent orange, saint walker are some of best new characters created in the past couple years
probably because i'm a Kyle fan. when i started reading comic books, kyle was the last of the green lantern, that made him "special". then, as time went by and as i got more and more interested in "old" comic books i discovered the originalS green lantern (via JSA and Green Lantern/Green Arrow).
in my mind a green lantern ring is supposed to be the most powerful weapon ever designed (and that's how it's genrally describes), the fact that there's thousands of them floating around is disturbing enough (renegade like sinestro should appear every day; giving nearly limitless power to the closest people who doesn't fear is not a good job interview)
so the return from one lantern to thousands of them was weird at first (it kinda "cheapens" the role of kyle)
but now if they let all the other corps...they would "polute" the dc universe; too many superpowered guys is hard to deal with, and nearly nobody can defeat a lantern.
but it's true that some of the new characters are really compelling, atrocitus and saint walker hace good potential, but i don't see them having any other purpose than dealing with the blackest night. once that's done, they're out of buisness.
just because Kyle(my fav gl) is not the only gl doesnt mean he's less special, he's the torch bearer he rebuilt what hal destroyed. and there thousands of story capabilities with the new lanterns, johns is already hinting that atrocious might go looking for the red entity after blackest night.
I'm willing to bet the new Lanterns aren't going anywhere after Blackest Night.
Gotta agree with Pod here,they're not going anywhere :cool:
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Solicitations for upcoming months show the "New Guardians" (Artocitus, Larfleeze, et. al.) adjusting to life on Earth, so no, they're staying put, at least for a while.
Also, I'd be surprised if Sinestro keeps the White Lantern power for long. If I read it correctly, he wasn't chosen, he just took the power for himself. Personally? I thinl Johns made quite the stretch to get Dove and the Titans into the fight... I'm betting she's going to be the "chosen" bearer of the Light.
Without quoting your post, I hope you're right about the last part, Hitman.
As for the other colors of Lanterns, except for the Black Lanterns (obviously), I have no problem with them sticking around, because I'm sure most writers will ignore them unless forced to used them. The only Corps I don't mind (besides Green) are the Yellow and Violet (or whatever color the Star Sapphires are), because their existences make the most sense. The Black Lanterns hopefully will be completely wiped out.
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Now that Tommy joined the fight, they can form the Mega Zord! So much for all the denials of a white lantern. :banghead:
I think it'd be fairly easy to keep the Blue lanterns and Agent Orange around, as neither corps has many members. The Indigo Tribe could make for some interesting subplots in the future, as they're still fairly mysterious.
The only corps I don't think should be around in much of a capacity are the red lanterns. They just seem like they're way too dangerous to have around in any sort of sizeable capacity and on a regular basis. However, this "new guardians" business might make for a substantially different status quo.
Nah, Guy needs to continue as a Red Lantern. And keep the green Ring too. :) He kicks arse as a Red Lantern! And he doesn't just kill people like most red lanterns.
A little treat for Lantern fans over at Evil, Inc:
http://www.evil-comic.com/archive/20100303.html
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i just read Blackest Night: Wonderwoman 3 today and i wanted to ask you something: does the diana/mera altercation means what i think it means? when the lasso of truth + rings touched mera, we were shown why she hated herself, and i took the background image as meaning Mera's son was in fact not aquaman'son, but black manta's son...that would explain why he kidnapped him back then but...is it even possible? i'm not that familiar with the characters and i wondered if i understood right.
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i just read Blackest Night: Wonderwoman 3 today and i wanted to ask you something: does the diana/mera altercation means what i think it means? when the lasso of truth + rings touched mera, we were shown why she hated herself, and i took the background image as meaning Mera's son was in fact not aquaman'son, but black manta's son...that would explain why he kidnapped him back then but...is it even possible? i'm not that familiar with the characters and i wondered if i understood right.
This is the kind of thing that would make me wonder if I'm better off not reading modern comics.
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i just read Blackest Night: Wonderwoman 3 today and i wanted to ask you something: does the diana/mera altercation means what i think it means? when the lasso of truth + rings touched mera, we were shown why she hated herself, and i took the background image as meaning Mera's son was in fact not aquaman'son, but black manta's son...that would explain why he kidnapped him back then but...is it even possible? i'm not that familiar with the characters and i wondered if i understood right.
No....no, in so many ways.
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I haven't read the book, of course, but if you interpreted that right, it is totally impossible (in the terms of this idiom, that is). Mera was never depicted as anything other than faithful to Arthur, and their relationship to Manta was a purely antagonistic one. The idea that Manta and Mera would have been linked romantically is preposterous, and the idea that it would have been forced just makes that whole storyline with the death of poor Arthur Jr. even more vile.
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i just read Blackest Night: Wonderwoman 3 today and i wanted to ask you something: does the diana/mera altercation means what i think it means? when the lasso of truth + rings touched mera, we were shown why she hated herself, and i took the background image as meaning Mera's son was in fact not aquaman'son, but black manta's son...that would explain why he kidnapped him back then but...is it even possible? i'm not that familiar with the characters and i wondered if i understood right.
No....no, in so many ways. I haven't read the book, of course, but if you interpreted that right, it is totally impossible (in the terms of this idiom, that is). Mera was never depicted as anything other than faithful to Arthur, and their relationship to Manta was a purely antagonistic one. The idea that Manta and Mera would have been linked romantically is preposterous, and the idea that it would have been forced just makes that whole storyline with the death of poor Arthur Jr. even more vile.
Have you noticed that there is a tren towards that kind of thing, Benton?
Well, I don't want to risk derailing this thread with a diatribe against modern comics, Daglob, but it does seem that things like that are being used to show how evil the villains are these days. The important thing to me, though, is that it makes no sense whatsoever. I'm more than a little curious about the sequence in question.
Well, that's what i though, it really doesn't fit the character...
edit:(Benton, you should probably edit your post with a spoiler banner though.)
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So, i'm hoping that i might be wrong, but everytime i read this two pages, i became more and more convinced that it's what they are going for
so this is the double page that shows the moment when wonderwoman use here recently acquired star saphire ring and her lasso of truth to try to read mera's mind/heart, so that she could calm her down
http://img532.imageshack.us/i/blackestnightwonderwoma.jpg/ (http://img532.imageshack.us/i/blackestnightwonderwoma.jpg/)
the upload did'nt fully work i think, so if you can't see the bottom of the page, it's a image of wonderwoman "love" moment (staring in bruce's eyes, getting her diademe from her mother, etc). The choice of images for mera is the key point here anyway, and the top-right corner image is the one that intrigued me, where she looks at a sleeping aquaman with a "cold" look.
and it's followed by this page
http://img130.imageshack.us/i/blackestnightwonderwoma.jpg/ (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/blackestnightwonderwoma.jpg/)
here it's the text that's important: the "no wonder she hates herself" though buble and the "he never knew?" of wonderwoman.
Something occurs to me: maybe i'm focusing to much on black manta and not enough on the child: could those pages mean that Mera is responsible for her son's death, and never told arthur? that'd be better...well, more acceptable than a cheating mera anyway.
If you don't mind being "spoiled" benton, you're the aquaman expert here (and everywhere else i might add :rolleyes:) so maybe you could tell me if my second theory is more credible (i have not read the story of their child's abduction and death, so i don't know what actually happened "on screen")
It's just guilt from eating canned tuna. She doesn't want the secret to get out!
Hah, Murs, maybe so.
Trelau, I didn't think about spoilerizing my post, so I fixed that. Thanks for the reminder. As for your second theory:
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I don't know that the image there really supports your first idea. In all honesty, I can't interpret it that way at all, but I can't say I have any better ideas. What the heck are we supposed to be drawing from that collage? Your second idea is pretty unlikely, as Mera was miles away when Arthur Jr. died, and she only found out about it when Aquaman sent his son's body back with Topo (pet octopus) while he went after Manta. All I can figure is that, since Mera grew to hate Aquaman because of the way he handled the death of their son, maybe it's supposed to be pointing to that, somehow. That doesn't really make much sense either, since Arthur knew that pretty darn well. Mera also went crazy for a while...so maybe that's part of it? She's shown punching Manta right before she's standing over Arthur....but what the significance is, I don't really have a clue.
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It's probably setting up something coming up. Mera is supposed to appear in some book after Blackest Night, probably Brightest Day. From the pages above, honestly it could be just about anything. Regardless chances are you won't like it Benton.
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I think it is that Mera is really his sister.
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It could be possible the Mera feels guilty for not having been there when her son died. It occurs in real life situations, but I don't see why someone who is depicted as being as wise as Wonder Woman would be necessarily surprised, unless she was merely being overcome by sympathy, but I am with Benton and Daglob on reading modern comics. They have gotten too dark for my tastes.
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I think it is that Mera is really his sister.
*Smack*
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Sister from an alternate dimension...well, these hacks have written more ridiculous things.
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Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on March 07, 2010, 11:59:13 PM
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I think it is that Mera is really his sister.
*Smack*
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Sister from an alternate dimension...well, these hacks have written more ridiculous things.
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Mera of Earth 2, maybe?.
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I like the way you are thinking. Maybe Mera isn't his sister but actually the alternate femalve version of him!
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Black Manta: Arthur, I am your father. Aquaman: Noooooo!
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Well, Mera did have a twin sister back on her home world.
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Nah, his mother. That will spawn Aquaman's new battle cry, "Oedipus Rex!"
It seems likely to me that she feels guilty about it anyways even if she didn't cause it.
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That page was epic :)
Really happy with the end of Blackest Night. Interested to see where things go next.
So, how did they all come back to life? :P
I actually liked the ending as well...but this event lost its flavor about half way through, sadly. :(
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So, how did they all come back to life? :P
I don't even know how to explain it to you Benton. White rings I guess...I found it to be on par with Superboy Prime punching walls.
What a twist! Totally unexpected!
Well, I hope one of those characters is valliantly holding on in a fight to remain dead.
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Who would want to read a series about a guy called Liveman.
I have a suggestion for what they could do with one of the characters:
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If there is going to be an actual White Lantern Corps, make Boston Brand a member. DC has replaced the Spectre's host twice, so I don't see why they couldn't make a new Deadman with the same (or similar) powers but with a different origin and costume (since Boston's costume was his circus outfit).
Or....reveal that Boston still has his powers despite being alive; he just becomes intangible then possesses someone.
And where the heck is Blue Beetle? I understand Ralph and Sue Dibny still being dead, but what about good old Ted?
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That... seems like a fairly random hodgepodge of characters to come back from the dead. I mean, Ronnie Raymond was great and a classic and all, but what'll happen to Jason Rousch? And what's the deal with Osirus? He was a throwaway character from 52 at best. And is the the original Captain Boomerang in there?
Oh, and I like J'onn's newish costume.
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You know the resurrections span the emotional spectrum:
Rage: Hawk
Avarice: Captain Boomerang
Fear: Professor Zoom
Will: Jade (literally), Aquaman, Max Lord
Hope: Osiris
Compassion: Martian Manhunter
Love: Hawkman & Hawkgirl
Odd man out would be Firestorm, don't know were he fits in the emotional spectrum.
Also does anyone notice Aliveman :lol: is the only one wearing a white ring?
PANTS? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I've got to say, while I'm not against the green guy wearing pants, those do look somewhat out of place considering he once again is without a shirt.
I like it actually. I mean, I never minded the trunks. But switching from trunks to trousers is okay. Kind of like the Hawks taking of their trunks.
He does have a cape that covers his torso though. :)
Quote from: daglob on April 01, 2010, 02:29:48 PM
Well, I hope one of those characters is valliantly holding on in a fight to remain dead.
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Who would want to read a series about a guy called Liveman.
Would Liveman have the power to possess the dead, and if so, what benefit would it have?
Quote from: marhawkman on April 01, 2010, 10:04:46 PM
He does have a cape that covers his torso though. :)
Which makes him look like a luchador.
Quote from: marhawkman on April 01, 2010, 10:04:46 PM
He does have a cape that covers his torso though. :)
Which helped David Ogden Stiers once upon a time... barely.
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I'm just glad J'onn doesn't look so much like a Skrull anymore. And yes, I've been trying to figure out what a Skrullian Manhunter would look like.
...and I wonder if that's Clevland instead of Boston...
Quote from: daglob on April 02, 2010, 03:40:22 PM
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I'm just glad J'onn doesn't look so much like a Skrull anymore. And yes, I've been trying to figure out what a Skrullian Manhunter would look like.
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Skymax, the Skrullian Skymaster from Squadron Supreme.
My guess about Deadman, or at least how I'd do it, is to give him an astral projection ability that allows him to return to his spirit form, gaining his old powers and appearance while doing so.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on April 03, 2010, 12:52:58 AM
My guess about Deadman, or at least how I'd do it, is to give him an astral projection ability that allows him to return to his spirit form, gaining his old powers and appearance while doing so.
So... Deadman becomes Jericho?
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 02, 2010, 01:25:55 AMQuote from: marhawkman on April 01, 2010, 10:04:46 PMHe does have a cape that covers his torso though. :)
Which makes him look like a luchador.
HAHAH!!! That was great.
Maybe, they could combine elements of Captain Marvel's "Shazam" and Green Lantern's oath and have Boston Brand transform into the Deadman when he quotes John Donnes's Holy Sonnet X.
They could have Deadman disappear for a while, then have some mysterious, never seen vigilante who uses Tombstone Piledrivers on bad guys running around while Batman and other heroes investigate. And it turns out to be Deadman.
(Only wrestling fans may get the joke.)
sigh. I'm a fan.
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 05, 2010, 08:42:06 PM
They could have Deadman disappear for a while, then have some mysterious, never seen vigilante who uses Tombstone Piledrivers on bad guys running around while Batman and other heroes investigate. And it turns out to be Deadman.
(Only wrestling fans may get the joke.)
But they'd have to dedicate 11 pages to him walking up to people.
Tombstone uses piledrivers? ^_^
http://images.gamezone.com/Featureds/FFTombstone%20-%20Pose.jpg
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 06, 2010, 10:04:52 PM
Tombstone uses piledrivers?
http://images.gamezone.com/Featureds/FFTombstone%20-%20Pose.jpg
if he doesn't, he should. Especially an inverted piledriver which is commonly called.... a tombstone piledriver because it was popularized by a guy called The Undertaker.
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http://library.buffalo.edu/libraries/asl/guides/graphicnovels/img/UnderTaker5.jpg (http://library.buffalo.edu/libraries/asl/guides/graphicnovels/img/UnderTaker5.jpg)
The Undertaker happens to be my favorite pro wrestler (been a fan since he first debuted), and since he's supposed to be the living dead, sort of, one of his nicknames is....the Deadman. Hence my joke.
:thumbup: to those who got it. :thumbup:
I about choked when I saw BWPS's post, because its true. Most of the time his entrance is a lot longer than his matches! :lol:
Dong!!!! insert longest intro in biz next to HHH's spitting roid juice and Black and Tan out of his mouth.