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[BentonGrey]

Howdy guys, I know Heimdall has been done, but I can't find him on the master mesh list.  Does anyone know where he can be found?

[Mystik]

should be in one of grens yahoo groups

[hoss20]

You can find it here, Benton: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Grenadiermeshes6/files/

[BentonGrey]

Alright gents, most of my Asgardian requests have been fulfilled in excellent fashion.  I was just getting back to my Marvel mod after a bit of job related distraction, and all this talk about the Guardians of the Galaxy has given me an itch to do a very minor something with them.  What is out there for the original Guardians?  I know I've seen Yondu someplace, but I don't know the others well enough to remember seeing them.  I'm looking for:

Vance Astro
Charlie 27
Martinex
Yondu
Starhawk
Nikki

[devilance]

Gren has versions of all of the above here:  http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Grenadiermeshes14/files/. Laughing Paradox did skins for Vance Astro, Yondu, Starhawk, and Nikki here:http://forceofparadox.yolasite.com/marvel---2.php. I believe they are all for the Grenadier meshes.

[BentonGrey]

Well heck, one-stop shopping!  Thanks Devilance!

[Previsionary]

Well heck, one-stop shopping!  Thanks Devilance!

Please. Like you know anything about shopping. You're a fish. 

*disappears in a blast of bubbles*

[hoss20]

Well, Gren redid everybody, but all that stuff is temporarily lost to the ether at Champions. I'd send you all that I have, but I lost everything a few weeks ago. In the meantime:
Vance Astro - LP did a skin for Gren's mesh, but I imagine it will fit on any male_basic type
Charlie 27 - DeathsJester and Zuludelta have skins for male-heavy on their Yahoo sites
Martinex - the only other one I know is available besides Gren's is from Vertex, but his site is in limbo along with Champions
Yondu - Beyonder has one http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/BYD_hero_meshes/files/ and DeathsJester has a skin on his Yahoo site
Starhawk - Gni has a mesh here http://gamesource.groups.yahoo.com/group/gnimeshes/
Nikki - Tommyboy has one at his site and LP is hosting a skope he and I collaborated on (w/his skin)

LP has all of Gren's meshes skinned here: http://forceofparadox.yolasite.com/
He also has an Aleta skope and skin made there.

Edit: That's what I get for taking so long to research where everything was. Devilance beat me to the punch. 
Edit2: LP actually only previewed his Martinex and Charlie 27 skins to me and hasn't released them yet. I just sent you Gren's new Charlie 27 mesh with the skin that LP had sent to me.

[hoss20]

By the way, thanks, Devilance. I had only looked on Gren's 15 and 16 Yahoo groups for all of his new stuff. I didn't realize he had posted stuff to his 14th group, as well. I can continue to rebuild my collection now.

[Deaths Jester]

For the GotG origianls:

I did a Vance Astro long time back along with Charlie-27, Yondu and Starhawk.  Not sure where they are at.  Actually mgiht just redo the whole team just fot eh fun of it....depends on how much you beg and plead for it!

[Amazo Version 2.2]

begs and pleads for bentongrey. 

[laughing paradox]

Grenadier created all six characters as meshes, which I skinned.

Champions of Freedom is down, unfortunately, but I have all six meshes/skins.



Seeing those skins now make me want to redo Nikki. Maybe just a facelift.

I can send them to you, if you'd like. I just need your email.

[BentonGrey]

Wow LP!  They look awesome.  I'd love to have them.  Please send them to username@yahoo.com.

[BentonGrey]

Ohh, I almost forgot!  I need the Badoon!  Has anyone done them?

[BentonGrey]

Well, I've been kicking this one around for a while, but I've decided that I need some help.  In my Fantastic Four campaign the Fab Four take on the Mole Man and his Moloid army, but the trouble is, the Moloids are so freaking weak.  I'm trying to stay relatively comic accurate, but these guys, even with me fudging things a bit, are completely helpless against the Thing, and are only a minor threat to Mr. Fantastic.  Sue and Johnny can both fly, so these mooks can't even touch them.  What I really need to make this mission more interesting is a way to give the Moloids a bit more of a bite.  I was hoping someone might skope a hi-tech rifle or pistol onto Tommy's Moloid for me, and perhaps skin the resultant creation.  Any takers?

:EDIT: Curses, the Alpha Primitives in the latter missions have the same problem.  I also need them armed with some sort of weapon.

[Panther_Gunn]

I *think* that the Badoon were on the list of races that hadn't been done yet.  I think that thread is about a year old now.

The Moloids aren't very useful out in the open.  They're much better in cramped conditions where they can crowd tight around the thing, hang on to him, and generally limit his use of his strength.  Same for Reed & Johnny, especially if they have places they can jump onto a flying Torch from.  At best they're a subdual, delaying force.  They're almost never going to take a hero down on their own.

For some reason, I can only picture Alpha Primitives wielding weapons that have a very Kirby-esque look to them.   

[Deaths Jester]

begs and pleads for bentongrey. 

It has to be Benton who begs and pleads for me to re-skin the team.

[BentonGrey]

Haha, DJ, I had missed your post.  Well, we've got some excellent versions of the GoG thanks to LP, but we can never have too many awesome skins!  I'd love to see your take on them, DJ. 

As for the Badoon...well, if they don't exist, I suppose I can use Unko's Gordanians from the DCUG.  I think they'd work alright.  Anyone have any suggestions for the Monster of Badoon?  What might work for him?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/82/Monster_of_Badoon.jpg/220px-Monster_of_Badoon.jpg

PG, that's true about the Moloids, and I've given them relatively accurate designs, but the trouble is that it makes for pretty lousy gameplay.  I've got some subterranean monsters to back them up, and they can keep the Thing busy, but there are pretty much no threats for the fliers.  I think what I may do is just give them a spear throw, using the built-in FX.  That would work reasonably well.  I'd like to give them a jump attack, a-la the raptors, to emulate how they always piled on Johnny to pull him down.  Sadly, they don't have the requisite KFs.

I do need some armed Alpha Primitives, though.  Any takers on that?  I'm thinking that a stripped down version of the Bishop mesh might work well for them, or perhaps the Cable mesh.  Cable's rifle would look about right for Inhuman tech.  I know what you mean PG, these guys are so very Kirby-esq.

[Panther_Gunn]

I'd like to give them a jump attack, a-la the raptors, to emulate how they always piled on Johnny to pull him down.  Sadly, they don't have the requisite KFs.

I was just about to suggest this very thing as I was reading about the spear throw!  I think it would work quite well with some sort of grapple/gravity max combo attack.  Do the raptors have a special jump kf that they use for that attack, or is it just the standard jump?  I'd be a little surprised if the moloids didn't have some kind of jump kf, unless it was a custom mesh, and required custom kf's to be created.  The mesh isn't compatible with other kf's, is it?  No way to copy it from another set of kf's, is there?

[BentonGrey]

The raptors have an actual melee animation that includes a jump, and that's the catch.  The Moloids have a jump, which would work okay, but it doesn't have a contact entry.  I know how to do some basic editing of kfs in Nifskope, but I'm not sure about adding in a contact entry.  Does anyone know of a basic tutorial?

[hoss20]

It's actually pretty simple (I think  ). I'll download the Moloid mesh and see what I can do. Would you like me to add a spear or something to the mesh itself?

[BentonGrey]

If you could, Hoss, that would be fairly awesome.  Thanks man!

[Cyber Burn]

I've already got a stripped down Bishop mesh, as well as a stripped down Cable mesh, but the weapons skins are the standards that came with the meshes.

I also have an Alpha Primitive for both Male_Heavy and Male_Basic by Flash_22798.

Also, I believe that C6 skinned the Alpha Primitives as well, you may want to check his Yahoo Groups.

[BentonGrey]

Yep CB, the one I've got is a C6 skin. Who skinned the Cable and Bishop meshes?  If they were done by C, he might let me just mix and match.

[Cyber Burn]

Unfortunately, it looks like both were done by Ink, but I'm sure there are probably C6 versions floating around somewhere.

[BentonGrey]

Well, perhaps I'll get lucky and someone will volunteer to skin these poor souls.

On the plus side, I just threw together some slightly updated versions of the Moloids with a spear throw, gave the monsters an acid spit, and ran the whole thing through the AI generator.  It has created a much more entertaining mission.  If Hoss can get a raptor-like melee jump working, I imagine it will really change the mission.

[Cyber Burn]

I'll send you what I have, then all you'll need is the weapons skinned.

[BentonGrey]

Thanks CB!

[hoss20]

I don't know if this one of the ones you have, Cyber, but here is an Alpha Primitive hex by KennX with a skin by C6: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whatever_happened_to_Ken/files/Marvels/
It really captures the feel of their classic look.

Benton, how high do you want these Moloids to be able to jump? I know in FFEdit you can actually adjust the range for a melee attack which will have to be done so the attack will be available to attack someone in the air. Can't you set melee attacks for "Airborn Targets Only" or something? Also, the actual distance covered by the jump animation is only (in game dimensions) a couple of feet, so setting it as a ranged attack (like flying_melee) won't work either. Lastly, the standard jump action actually involves two separate animations (jump and land_from_jump). I added a contact to the jump animation and it works, but once the the contact is made in mid-air, the Moloid just reappears back on the ground. I have found a good jumping melee animation in Valandar's Acrobatic keyframes, added it to the Moloid keyframes, and it looks pretty decent.

So, let me know what ideas you guys have and I'll try to get this done.

[BentonGrey]

Yep, that's the one I actually had to start with Hoss.

How high should they be able to jump?  Well, the raptor pounce attack actually has a minimum range of 3 and a maximum of 2.  I'm not quite sure what to do with that.  I'll have to figure out the best settings by trial and error.  Yes, you can tag an attack as "Dinosaur Melee" and "Airborne Only."  I'm fairly certain that the combination allows for grounded characters to attack flying ones.  I used that setup in the DCUG to good effect.  The acrobatic keyframe attack sounds pretty cool.  Why don't we go with that?