Heroes Season 2

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Idiotic news broadcasters!

It's 15 minutes before the end of the show, and an ad for tonight's local newbroadcast spoiled part of the show!

ARRRGGGGHHHH!

[bredon7777]

Holy <bleep> they actually did it!

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Yeah, that's the part they spoiled.

Didn't give the details, but it wasn't that hard to guess.

Not that it's that surprising, but still, I'm this close to calling the station and giving them a piece of my mind.

Of course, a few thousand people are probably doing the same thing right now. . .

[bredon7777]

Holy <bleep>, they undid it!

[Podmark]

Oh man [spoiler] I knew he couldn't be dead. Also I love Hiro.[/spoiler]

[kkhohoho]

Thankfully for me, I had my viewing unspoiled. :thumbup:

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Holy Mackeral!

What a twist ending!  Didn't see that coming!

[spoiler]
The quadruple father/child parallel was well done.

Matt can give mental commands.  Interesting.  And he's abusing it.  Like, a lot.

Anyway, I'm guess I'm still processing the rest of it.  Glad to see West actually do something useful, finally.
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[Conduit]

That was very good.  I'm very glad to see how much the pacing has improved.

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Matt and Hiro's storylines were great.  The Generations story arc is really picking up speed.  I loved everything Hiro and his dad did.  George Takei was just amazing.  I liked Hiro doing the monologue too.

Matt was awesome too.  The new application of his power was interesting, and the scene with Angela was awesome.  I loved the "if you take this secret from me, then you are your father."

Parts of the Bennets' storyline were great too.  I loved the part where he sprayed water on Elle (good guess, whoever speculated that water might not mix well with her powers), his first fight with Mohinder, and when West took him and flew him into the air.  His death scene was gut wrenching.  I'm glad he'll still stick around.
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[BWPS]

[spoiler]Well that was pretty good. Not as good as last week but it didn't have Niki in it (yay). Of course it did have 'L... and she only got an arm shot instead of the forehead I was hoping for. Stupid annoying lame characters. Also there was no Peter <3. Sadness. Anyway, I totally guessed they'd use Claire's blood to save human resources guy. I'm so smart/handsome. And as much as I hate West (ok, it's still my favorite second favorite show on tv I just get annoyed by lame characters on shows), he wasn't too too aweful in this one. Parkman was a total meanface to Momtrelli, but the way I see it, she was just saying that stuff about his dad to try to stop him. She deserved what she got, especially a bloody nose. Hiro's so great, but Child-From-Past Hiro was even more awesome, amirite? I don't really see what the problem with saving Ensign Sulu's life was if they don't have any problems breaking pretty much the first rule of time travel. Did Sulu not notice himself ten yards away in daylight? Or not care that his son suddenly grew a big brother out of nowhere? Anyway, it'll be great to see how the second half of the season plays ou- What's that you say, recent knowledge? Writer's strike? 2 MORE EPISODES?!?!

Those bastards. Those damn dirty writing bastards. So... so... greedy.... *shakes stick in air*[/spoiler]

[Conduit]

Um, BWPS, there were some pretty negative comments in that post.  Cat has asked that that sort of thing be kept out of this thread.  You can, however, post them here.

[Talavar]

Great episode...
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...fast paced, suspenseful and revealing interesting character growth.  I'm glad that HRG's death was undone, because I like the character and actor, though an important character death could really help continue the positive shakedown the show's been needing.  Mohinder's actions are really painting him in an unpleasant light for me - why is he so convinced the Company is good again?  He knows Elle is a killer, has been asked to experiment on unsuspecting people by them, and knows they've been creating viruses that could leap to the normal population without a lot of effort.  With all of that, he still choses to side with them against HRG?  That doesn't seem like a moral decision to me, particularly when they've already got what they wanted out of all this, namely some of Claire's blood.

Matt's new power application has interesting ramifications - mind control has to be the most easily abused super-power of all.  We also got confirmation on Sulu's killer, something many of us have suspected.

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[catastrophe]

[spoiler]Agreed, that episode was epic...i totaly agree, mohinder's doing was foolish but im suspecting he was the one who arranged for HRG to get claires blood as a bargain with Bob. I kinda suspected Adam/Kenzei to be the killer, especially of Kaito Nakamura. He has multiple reasons, one being that he swore to hiro he would never stop hurting him and the one he loves.

Man, Sylar seems so small compared to this season...[/spoiler]

[Viking]

[spoiler]That was, indeed, an epic episode.  Mr. Horn-Rimmed Glasses is THE MAN!

At any rate, to play Devil's Advocate in defense of Mohinder:

It would seem that Mohinder knows some important things that HRG does not, and which would take a fair bit of time to explain.  Time which neither seems to have, given the fast pacing of things.  Mohinder's learned of the anti-powers serum project, that it has caused a virus infection in Nikki, and that the former failsafe (his blood) failed to work.  Hence, he's operating under a desire to stop that virus from spreading into a plague. 

HRG seems to be unaware of these elements, but is well aware of what the Company has done via experimentation.  Hence, he appears to be motivated by his "protect Claire at all costs" instinct, and the belief that the Company would do horrible, unspeakable things to Claire if they got their hands on her.

Now, I'm not sure to what extent Mohinder knows about the extent of the Company's past actions.  HRG has shown that he's repeatedly warned Mohinder of how the Company tries to sink its hooks into its employees.  I imagine that either Mohinder is blissfully ignorant of the true depths to which the Company is willing to sink, and/or he believes that the Company has changed and can be salvaged as a force for good.  Rather naive, but as Bob said, Mohinder's moral compass always points due North.  With a capital N, which again stands for Naive.[/spoiler]

[OutsiderNo11]

I called it on Elle and her weakness.

Also, it's good that they actually explain why Kaito was standing on that ledge for so long after Angela left him.  I kept thinking in the premiere about why he would be standing there when he said he was going to Japan that night.

[kkhohoho]

Also, it's good that they actually explain why Kaito was standing on that ledge for so long after Angela left him.  I kept thinking in the premiere about why he would be standing there when he said he was going to Japan that night.

But he only stood there because Hiro told him of his death.  But for Hiro to know of his death, his father would have had to die without Hiro intervening.  But his father stood there because of Hiro. But for Hiro to know of his death, his father would have had to die without Hiro intervening. But his father stood there because of Hiro.

I hate time travel. :wacko:

[Adamence]

I finally got around to watching the episode, I must say, I'm rather pleased with just about everything that happened.

[spoiler]

Of course it did have 'L... and she only got an arm shot instead of the forehead I was hoping for.

Had that happened, I would have given up on the show for reasons I got into last week in the other thread and won't repeat here.  So I'm very happy that it didn't happen. 

At any rate, to play Devil's Advocate in defense of Mohinder:

It seems to me that Mohinder was probably aware that Bob got some of Claire's blood and maybe the plan the entire time was to shoot HRG and then bring him back.  If he knew that was the plan, then there's no harm in shooting him because you know you're just going to bring him back.

Matt can give mental commands.  Interesting.  And he's abusing it.  Like, a lot.

I definitely like it too.  It's nice to see how he's evolving with his power, and I think it'll get even more interesting to see where this takes him now.  I'm left with a thought though, Peter has Parkman's mind reading ability, will it naturally evolve for Peter as well, or will he need to run into Parkman again to get it.

I think that's about all I've got for now, gotta say again, loved the ep.
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[catwhowalksbyhimself]

It's been stated before that Peter gains the full potential of a special's powers, rather than just what they can do at the time.

Since he switches out powers, however, he doesn't quite have as much chance to develop them.

[Adamence]

It's been stated before that Peter gains the full potential of a special's powers, rather than just what they can do at the time.

Since he switches out powers, however, he doesn't quite have as much chance to develop them.

Cool, thanks for clearing that up for me.

[Figure Fan]

AMAZING

Wow, I just watched it on NBC.com and man it was good.

[Podmark]

if Molly dies I'm going to be sad :(

[thalaw2]

Also, it's good that they actually explain why Kaito was standing on that ledge for so long after Angela left him.  I kept thinking in the premiere about why he would be standing there when he said he was going to Japan that night.

But he only stood there because Hiro told him of his death.  But for Hiro to know of his death, his father would have had to die without Hiro intervening.  But his father stood there because of Hiro. But for Hiro to know of his death, his father would have had to die without Hiro intervening. But his father stood there because of Hiro.

I hate time travel. :wacko:

Most likely Papa Hiro stood there not knowing about his death the first time around...it's recursion that makes it messy.  I love that stuff!

So...when is Matt getting his lightsaber?

[Conduit]

That was pretty good.  A good amount of filler, but it was good.  I can't think of any specific thoughts to say, so I'll just leave it at that for now.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Some comments:

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Well, it's comfirmed that Adam is the big bad, and the Company is indeed not an evil monster, more of a organization with good intents, but an end-justifies-the-means philosophy that sometimes makes them a bit sinister.

Peter, with is stuborn refusal to listen to anyone who tries to warn him about Adam, especially when he can read their minds to see if they're lying, is not the smartest dumb guy.

Sylar is just as creepy as ever, and without needing any powers.  He also proves himself a master of manipulation.  I also thought it interesting that everything he said about his mother's death is actually true.  All these ruthless murders and he tells the truth about the one death he didn't intend.

We now see a demonstration of why superheroes don't really exist.  I hope Micah learns his lesson.
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[Sevenforce]

Theory:

[spoiler]Claires Blood is what mutates the virus when injected into Niki? A self-healing, immortal, pretty indestructible virus would be a pain. I mean, it's not got a head! Heh. I know its been established theres a strain 138 that will be it...but it would be a pretty cool twist, no?[/spoiler]

Just a theory.

[Jakew]

A bit annoyed to see

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Alejandro bumped off. The guy was a decent actor and I was hoping he'd be given something to do, or they'd at least explore some of the relationship between him and his sister considering she wiped out his entire family. Maybe just mortally wound him and have him come back in the ninth round to stop his sister from going "Dark Phoenix".

I'm also a bit peeved that Sylar is now a hand-to-hand killer of superpowered victims. Meek guy turned psycho with powers, yes. Manipulator, yes, but kind of stretching it ... considering how poor his social skills are in past episodes. Physical threat, and he's on the verge of being an omnipotent comic villain.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Actually, he has been shown to be quite the manipulator in the past.  He's been shown convincing people that he was all sorts of things, which is how he gets close enough to kill.

And I was actually expecting what he did to happen, although you're right about exploring that relationship more.

[bredon7777]

Re: Alejandro/Sylar

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First, I've gotta disagree with you- the emo wonder twins storyline has been terrible- a huge drag on the season, and has done nothing to justify making Zachary Quinto a full cast member(which I was against). I'm glad Sylar killed him- I only wished he'd done Maya as well.

Second: Alejandro's power was cancelling out Maya's power. Hardly a "superpowered" victim; more like one man against another.  After all, it's not like Sylar went up powerless against Niki and killed her - that would be unbeliavble.

Thirdly: theres one and only one acceptible reason to bring back Sylar (and it shouldn't have been done till season 3 or 4) - to have the knock down, drag out, kick butt fight with Peter that they've cheated us out of so far, and then he needs to go away for 5 months to a year again. The Joker's a dang fine Batman villian, but if he appeared in every Batman comic hed get real old real fast.

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[Figure Fan]

I wondering if Sylar will actually grow to love Maya..

If so, it would be nice to see him actually keep somebody around to kill all the heroes with. With this, Maya would have to go evil, which I see happening.

I'm hoping Maya's encounter with Dr. Siresch (sp?) will explain what her power is, how it works, and why it is so vital to this season...

And why Sylar seems to want it so badly.

[Sevenforce]

Suresh. And I'm looking forward to their meeting too...except I have a much more morbid reason for it :lol:

[catastrophe]

I was always against Sylar coming back, he made a good first season villain but Adam is so much more interesting.

my idea about the virus is it mixed with Maya's power somehow, i also think someone well liked will die in the next episodes :S