Captain America (spoilers for Cap 25)

[Dweomer Knight]

I'm just guessing here, but I think what Marvel was trying to accomplish was to create a thought provoking issue.  How far do you go to ensure safety and security?  What freedoms are you willing to give up to do so?  An early issue of CW had an undecided Thing saying that while he didn't like or agree with every law made, he still fought to uphold them because that's how you maintain a stable society.  That right there is what I think Marvel was trying to get readers to think about.

Unfortunately, the pro-reg side was written so one-dimensionally and they commited acts and employed people that were so villainous that instead of provoking intelligent reader thought on the issue, it caused vast reader discontent instead.  And now Marvel is trying so hard to make it seem like the pro-reg side really wasn't that bad; kind of like trying to put a crashed train back on the tracks and get it to move again (which just makes the portrayals in CW more idiotic than they already were).

Disassembled, House of M, Cicil War all had some good ideas but the execution was sloppy at its best.  I think it would be an insanely stupid idea on Marvel's part to permanently kill Steve Rogers, and at first I believed that they would certainly bring him back.  Now...I'm not so sure.

DK

[JeyNyce]

Does anybody see the familiarities with Batman:

1- Batman back gets broken he gets a replacement/ Cap is dead they get a replacement

2- The new batman take justice in his own hands & go crazy/ The new cap does the same.

3- Bruce comes back and it's a "fight for the mantle"/ Wanna bet Steve Roger comes back and does the same.

[The Pwime]

Does anybody see the familiarities with Batman:

1- Batman back gets broken he gets a replacement/ Cap is dead they get a replacement

2- The new batman take justice in his own hands & go crazy/ The new cap does the same.

3- Bruce comes back and it's a "fight for the mantle"/ Wanna bet Steve Roger comes back and does the same.

Hey...that's true.  interesting...

[bearded]

maybe the yellow impurity is actually a demon that made him act out of character.
point i'm saying;  bad writers make bad things happen.  or editors, whatever.  then good writers come along, retcon it and make it all better.
interesting challenge:  instead of thinking in present terms, what would be a good way to have all this make sense?  the aforementioned 'ruse'.

[konbiz]

I think he's gonna be gone for quite a few years, probably until the Captain America movie comes out. I think the issue itself was a very well written one, and if anyone was given the task to kill Cap, I'm glad it was Brubracker. On another note, I saw the cover for Captain America #28 and it shows Winter Soldier/Bucky with Cap's shield.

[GhostMachine]

Does anybody see the familiarities with Batman:

2- The new batman take justice in his own hands & go crazy/ The new cap does the same.

3- Bruce comes back and it's a "fight for the mantle"/ Wanna bet Steve Roger comes back and does the same.

Hey...that's true.  interesting...

They sort of already did that when Mark Gruenwald had Cap quit and be replaced by John Walker, aka USAgent. Walker was too violent as Cap and killed the Watchdogs, who had murdered his parents. They do something like that again, I want to personally slap the taste out of the writer's mouth.

[thanoson]

I was thinking the same thing. But not the slapping part. John's fight with Left/Right Winger I thought was fun. The ending was cool.

"Hey, I got my arm free!" Boooom!!!!!

[starlock]

i had a crazy idea,i know its crazy but..
What if Scott Summers-Captain America
He Has the skill needed to throw the shield(knowing angles and such knowing where everyone is in a battle) He has been around a long time,trained alot(In his power but still had H2H)
And a chance to show Mutants can be trusted,this came up with some friends and i and i thought i would throw it out there

[BlueBard]

i had a crazy idea,i know its crazy but..
What if Scott Summers-Captain America
He Has the skill needed to throw the shield(knowing angles and such knowing where everyone is in a battle) He has been around a long time,trained alot(In his power but still had H2H)
And a chance to show Mutants can be trusted,this came up with some friends and i and i thought i would throw it out there

Won't happen for a lot of reasons. 

Mainly it would be so far out of the Captain America concept.  Nobody would think "hey, Captain America has optic blasts!"  Everybody would think "hey, why is Cyclops carrying Captain America's shield?"

But for the sake of argument, why would Scott bother throwing a shield when he's got optic blasts?  It would make more sense for him to hang onto it for protection.

Even assuming he might throw it for some unforeseen reason, aiming a beam by sight and throwing something are two different skills.  Scott would have to train long and hard with the shield to do anything like the kinds of tricks that Steve Rogers did.

That is, if we were talking realism.  Which is generally in short supply in Marvel's world.

[Alaric]

On the other hand, Scott probably comes as close as anyone to Cap's leadership and strategic abilities (at least, he used to... Have to admit, I haven't read X-Men in a long, long time, so I don't know if Scott's still written that way).

[The Pwime]

i had a crazy idea,i know its crazy but..
What if Scott Summers-Captain America
He Has the skill needed to throw the shield(knowing angles and such knowing where everyone is in a battle) He has been around a long time,trained alot(In his power but still had H2H)
And a chance to show Mutants can be trusted,this came up with some friends and i and i thought i would throw it out there

Won't happen for a lot of reasons. 

Mainly it would be so far out of the Captain America concept.  Nobody would think "hey, Captain America has optic blasts!"  Everybody would think "hey, why is Cyclops carrying Captain America's shield?"

But for the sake of argument, why would Scott bother throwing a shield when he's got optic blasts?  It would make more sense for him to hang onto it for protection.

Even assuming he might throw it for some unforeseen reason, aiming a beam by sight and throwing something are two different skills.  Scott would have to train long and hard with the shield to do anything like the kinds of tricks that Steve Rogers did.

That is, if we were talking realism.  Which is generally in short supply in Marvel's world.

I haven't really read comics in eons, especially marvel, but isn't Scott unable to use his powers at the moment?

[GhostMachine]

There have already been four Captain Americas - five, if you could Isaiah Bradley - we don't need another one. And I most definitely don't want to see John Walker back in the costume again. Ever.

There are only two people I'd be willing to accept as the next Captain America, and only as placeholders until Steve is brought back: Sharon Carter (if she wears a female version of the costume (maybe with her hair exposed, ie mask cut off above the A to let her hair flow) and not something like American Dream's which has several changes) or Winter Soldier without carrying any guns.

[thalaw2]

Does anybody see the familiarities with Batman:

1- Batman back gets broken he gets a replacement/ Cap is dead they get a replacement

2- The new batman take justice in his own hands & go crazy/ The new cap does the same.

3- Bruce comes back and it's a "fight for the mantle"/ Wanna bet Steve Roger comes back and does the same.

The ending to was so horrible I wanted to slap somebody.   Comeon....Azbats gets stuck in a hole then comes out and sees the light!!!!!   

[Dweomer Knight]

There are only two people I'd be willing to accept as the next Captain America, and only as placeholders until Steve is brought back: Sharon Carter (if she wears a female version of the costume (maybe with her hair exposed, ie mask cut off above the A to let her hair flow) and not something like American Dream's which has several changes) or Winter Soldier without carrying any guns.

I agree about the placeholder thing.  Sharon would be good but I'm more than a little tired of the "put a female in the male's costume" schtick.  I'm not so up on Winter Soldier's personality; isn't he a little on the violent side?  I also wouldn't mind seeing Isaiah Bradley as Cap though they'd have to de-age him for it to work (which would unfortunately be done in the most ridiculous manner possible).

DK

[lugaru]

There are only two people I'd be willing to accept as the next Captain America, and only as placeholders until Steve is brought back: Sharon Carter (if she wears a female version of the costume (maybe with her hair exposed, ie mask cut off above the A to let her hair flow) and not something like American Dream's which has several changes) or Winter Soldier without carrying any guns.

I agree about the placeholder thing.  Sharon would be good but I'm more than a little tired of the "put a female in the male's costume" schtick.  I'm not so up on Winter Soldier's personality; isn't he a little on the violent side?  I also wouldn't mind seeing Isaiah Bradley as Cap though they'd have to de-age him for it to work (which would unfortunately be done in the most ridiculous manner possible).

DK

Heck no, do it Dark Knight Returns style. It would be pretty compelling to watch an old and tough Isaiah battle foes and occasionally stop to settle his heart, worried that wounds arent going to heal as nicely as they did when he was young.

[starlock]

i had a crazy idea,i know its crazy but..
What if Scott Summers-Captain America
He Has the skill needed to throw the shield(knowing angles and such knowing where everyone is in a battle) He has been around a long time,trained alot(In his power but still had H2H)
And a chance to show Mutants can be trusted,this came up with some friends and i and i thought i would throw it out there

Won't happen for a lot of reasons. 

Mainly it would be so far out of the Captain America concept.  Nobody would think "hey, Captain America has optic blasts!"  Everybody would think "hey, why is Cyclops carrying Captain America's shield?"

But for the sake of argument, why would Scott bother throwing a shield when he's got optic blasts?  It would make more sense for him to hang onto it for protection.

Even assuming he might throw it for some unforeseen reason, aiming a beam by sight and throwing something are two different skills.  Scott would have to train long and hard with the shield to do anything like the kinds of tricks that Steve Rogers did.

That is, if we were talking realism.  Which is generally in short supply in Marvel's world.

In the Astonishing X-Men Cyclops can not use his power
I did mention crazy idea hehe
Who has to know its cyclops?just one idea
And the whole leadership thing,the whole mutants and mutants get along thing
just somthin my friends and i were talking about,i know it wont happen buti think it would be great
And i was thinking,using his optic blast to make the shield do more angles and more force,just thinking crazy

[bearded]

there is/was a mutant that carried the shield.  i can't remember which one it was...wasn't nova.
the tk-er.  he used his tk the way you are talking about.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Hi Bearded, How are you?

Vance Astro (Vance Asrovik, A.K.A. Justice) carried Cap's shield in the far future (the mutant you mentioned).

Dana