NBC's _Heroes_

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Seven:
[spoiler]In that case, I suggest they call in g'day to deal with this situation.[/spoiler]

[detourne_me]

One thing really bugs me. I thought about it last night and I'll put in spoilers to be on the safe side.

[spoiler]There is a slim chance that Future Sylar can or will be able to time travel. Bear with me.

Since Future Hiro is dead (shot in the back I might add), I can easily see Future Sylar going up to Future Hiros' body and opening his skull. "So, you can travel in time? Lets see how that works."[/spoiler]

I hope that I am wrong.

Well, considering the current Hiro will most likely change the past and thus change the future those events will not have taken place and the future sylar would not have that option... Otherwise a huge paradox would arise... and thier would have to be some consequence to the state of the universe... In short I doubt that will happen...

i think it makes sense,  its a good out for the producers,  they can kill sylar this season, and an uber-powerful sylar can return next season.

[Protomorph]

[spoiler]In this future relality, originally Sylar killed Claire, and got her powers. Thus, Peter could not get them, and got his scar.  Since that was corrected, and Claire was saved by Peter who gained her power, why would he still have it?

Peter's explosion originally killed Micah, but he and Ando seem to be the only ones (of the cast members), since everybody else is alive and kicking afterwards (until Sylar kills them). Hiro gave DL and Candace to Bennet for relocation, who in turn turned them over to Homeland Security, and were whacked by Sylar. Why would Candace need to do this? Unless everyone who works for The Company is deemed enemy of the State (presumingly including Linderman, hence "The Linderman Act") This would preclude the Haitian, who left the company earlier to protect Claire. But, if she was killed by Sylar, would he have left? His presence within the Homeland Security would probably also be a result of Hiro's time jump. [/spoiler]

[Uncle Yuan]

I'm very disappointed - I went to watch the last episode on line but it keep feeding me the previous one.  :(

[Pyroclasm]

I'm very disappointed - I went to watch the last episode on line but it keep feeding me the previous one.  :(

20 is the current episode and is feeding at this link.
http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml

[Uncle Yuan]

I'm very disappointed - I went to watch the last episode on line but it keep feeding me the previous one.  :(

20 is the current episode and is feeding at this link.
http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml

I don't know why yours works - whenever I tried clicking on episode 20 before it kept feeding me 19.  :shrugs:

[Tomato]

I just had a thought here... Everyone's just assuming the Haitian cancels powers, that he can stop them. If that's the case, how would he be able to remove memories? Does he have two powers now?

What if it's something more basic, like... he has the ability to nulify or manipulate the brain. The brain controls powers, it would make sense that he'd be able to shut them off by shutting that portion of the brain down.

[Conduit]

It's clear that the Haitian can't nullify every power, since Nathan was able to fly while next to him and one of the writers states in the commentary for Company Man that he can't stop Ted's abilities.  Also, in Unexpected, he had to use infared goggles to detect Peter and Claude.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

What if it's something more basic, like... he has the ability to nulify or manipulate the brain. The brain controls powers, it would make sense that he'd be able to shut them off by shutting that portion of the brain down.

That's sort of what I figured.

[SouperIan]

It must be early because I'm getting weird random throughts.

What would happen if Sylar tries to take Jessica/Nikki and the secondary personality was part of the powers package?

I kind of assumed that Nikki's power was superstrength and Jessica had some kind of power to possess Nikki's body. (Jessica goes on a rant to her father at one point about how she always took the beatings for Nikki).

But then, I also tend to assume stuff like "hmm, there's nothing that can possbily go wrong with the combination of marmite and cinnamon!", so I may not be the best person to trust on this.

[Sevenforce]

What if it's something more basic, like... he has the ability to nulify or manipulate the brain. The brain controls powers, it would make sense that he'd be able to shut them off by shutting that portion of the brain down.

That's sort of what I figured.

I figured that too, since he was seemingly able to shut off Hiros powers, but allowed Matts to work. But that doesn't really explain how he can shut down some powers and not others, like Ted's and Claires. Or how he can (maybe) shut down copied powers, i.e. Peter and Sylar. If I remember correct, its not Peters brain that changes, but his genetic coding. Sylar, well, it could be his brain, but could be his code too.

I wonder how far he can control this too. I mean, I assumed at first it was just automatic, anyone around  him shuts down, with the erasing memory thing being on purpose. But this episode, hes able to shut down a whole office floor, and I remember Matt not being able to read minds while near him when Ted went new-clee-ar, but being able to do so when the Haitian went outside. Or (most likely) I could be reading far too much into this :D

[Conduit]

The Haitian seems to nullify powers that require active concentration.  Claire and Ted's powers are involuntary, though Ted can control his with practice.  Claude's seem to require concentration only to turn it on and off.  Flying may be as simple as jumping for Nathan.

[Talavar]

I don't think Nathan is a good case to go by for the Haitian, since it could be as simple as Nathan was too far away to mind-block his power, and only got farther away in a hurry once he started flying.

[Lycus]

Really enjoying the show, and thanks to the lengthy gap in the US, I'm now only a couple of episodes behind (Parasite just aired), so I decided to start poking through this thread a little. Turns out that in my efforts to avoid spoilers, I missed a whole lot of story, because we weren't informed about the comics. Oh well.

[Conduit]

I don't think Nathan is a good case to go by for the Haitian, since it could be as simple as Nathan was too far away to mind-block his power, and only got farther away in a hurry once he started flying.

Nathan was a few feet away from the Haitian when he flew.

[lugaru]

Honestly Im not too concerned about season two, even if they ruin the show so far season one is pure comic book caviar.

[bredon7777]

The Haitian has to be concentrating to use his power. Nathan took him by surprise, and got out of range before he coudl react.  It's also an AOE power, so when he does concentrate, that explains how he can nullify a whole floor.

[Conduit]

The Haitian has to be concentrating to use his power. Nathan took him by surprise, and got out of range before he coudl react.  It's also an AOE power, so when he does concentrate, that explains how he can nullify a whole floor.

He was with Nathan for quite a while.  You'd think he would have activated his power by then.

[bredon7777]

The Haitian has to be concentrating to use his power. Nathan took him by surprise, and got out of range before he coudl react.  It's also an AOE power, so when he does concentrate, that explains how he can nullify a whole floor.

He was with Nathan for quite a while.  You'd think he would have activated his power by then.

Why? He had one arm, HRG had the other.  And at that time, they had no idea what Nathan's power was.

[Talavar]

An interesting, if slower-paced episode...
[spoiler]
We get an interesting look at Sylar's family life, and let's just say that the nut doesn't fall too far from the crazy tree.  A lot of the episode was holding pattern though, except for the very end, with Claire moping over the loss of normalcy, Hiro wanting to be a hero but daunted by his fear/self-doubt, & Nathan struggling with the Watchmen-solution.  I'd have thought for an episode this close to the end more would have happened, but maybe I'm forgetting something.
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[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Plenty of nice little reveals here.

[spoiler]Molly Walker's power--good one!  That also means that she's the new tracking system that HRG and friends are out to destroy.

We see Sylar using those ice powers again.

How did he break out of time freeze, by the way?

Mrs. Petrelli reveals that she's been helping Linderman plan this.  Not good for poor Nathan.  If she only knew. . .  Unfortunately, even Hiro doesn't know that future Nathan is really Sylar.

Sylar meanwhile starts to see the possibilities.

And Peter absorbs Ted's powers, and is already having more problems handling them than he had hoped.

[/spoiler]

[Conduit]

The Haitian has to be concentrating to use his power. Nathan took him by surprise, and got out of range before he coudl react.  It's also an AOE power, so when he does concentrate, that explains how he can nullify a whole floor.

He was with Nathan for quite a while.  You'd think he would have activated his power by then.

Why? He had one arm, HRG had the other.  And at that time, they had no idea what Nathan's power was.

You're right, they had no idea what Nathan's power was.  Which means that it would be incredibly risky not to have his power nullification field on.  What if Nathan had had an ability to kill people with his thoughts?  It obviously doesn't require too much effort for the Haitian to keep his power nullification field up (if indeed, he needs to concentrate on it, it may simply be involuntary except he can choose to exclude certain people from it).  They had absolutely no reason not to use it on Nathan and several very good reasons to.

As for the episode, this was very good.  It felt a little like filler, but if it is, then it's the best filler I've ever seen.  This is what all transition episodes should have been like.

[spoiler]
The apple definitely didn't fall far from the tree.  And it hit every branch on the way down.  I can't imagine what it must have been like for Sylar to grow up under this woman.  It doesn't make me sympathetic at all for him, though.

Sylar didn't break out of the time freeze.  Hiro lost concentration when he tried to kill him.  It's good to see that Hiro isn't totally unstoppable.

Mohinder is starting to get his intelligence back.  Though I'm confused about his cure for Molly's illness.  I would think that Mohinder's antibodies would work on Shanti simply because they're so similar genetically.  But oh well.  It's one of the less implausible uses of genetics on this show.

So Molly Walker can know where people are.  You can understand why Future Hiro wanted her.  It'll be interesting to see what she ends up doing.  I'd like to find out more about how her power works.  If she just has a name, she'd think of millions of people.  She'd need enough info to distinguish a person from 6 billion others, which is quite a bit.

Mrs. Petrelli is apparently allied with Linderman.  She's not completely loyal though, as she's keeping Claire's location a secret.

Speaking of Claire, yay for her and Peter trying to stop Ted.  And unless the season finale is going to deal solely with the aftermath of the explosion, Peter manages to keep Ted's power under control for now.  It makes you wonder how he's going to be set off, especially since he has to consciously switch to Ted's powers.  My guess is he absorbs and switches powers too many times, and overloads like in Fallout and Distractions.  Only this time, he has to worry about a lot more than just falling into a coma.
[/spoiler]

[The Hitman]

[spoiler]
Oh, so today we find out that Sylar's mom is Audrey 1 from the Little Shop of Horrors movie with Rick Morranis and Steve Martin. Glad to see that actress finally get some work.

Candice proves that she really has illusion powers, no just shapeshifting, which makes me believe that Future Sylar didn't kill her. He killed someone else who has shapeshifting. That's how he'd look like Nathan on a camera.

Probably the best part of this ep was the trailer for next week. I know, this one was a "necessary filler," I cool with that, it just looks like that last two eps are going to be fantastic. Best part? The last trailer scene with Sylar standing on a rooftop. The camera pans in to just his face, with his eyes glowing like Ted's before he goes nuclear, and just whispers, "Boom." Cool, cool, cool.
[/spoiler]

Oh, Cat-
[spoiler]

How did he break out of time freeze, by the way?

He didn't. Hiro was so nervous about killing Sylar, Hiro lost his concentration. That's why Audrey 1 fell the same time Sylar started moving again.
[/spoiler]

[OutsiderNo11]

[spoiler]
Candice proves that she really has illusion powers, no just shapeshifting, which makes me believe that Future Sylar didn't kill her. He killed someone else who has shapeshifting. That's how he'd look like Nathan on a camera.
[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Sylar did say that Candice was the one who gave him the ability to become President in the last episode.  Candice herself said that she can make people see what she wants them to see, so it may not be mental illusions, but light-based illusions created with her mind.  This would explain how she (and later Sylar) is able to fool cameras.  Claude's power may be similar, except that he can only allow light to pass through him.

As for this episode, it was really good.  We see the reason behind Sylar's behavior (every monster has a mother) and we see Hiro at his most noble.  Despite Sylar just killing Isaac, Hiro's good friend, he still couldn't bring himself to kill Sylar in cold blood.  I think there is going to be a huge fight involving many of the heroes and it ends with Hiro killing Sylar in self preservation rather then in cold blood.
[/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

[spoiler]

He didn't. Hiro was so nervous about killing Sylar, Hiro lost his concentration. That's why Audrey 1 fell the same time Sylar started moving again.

That makes sense, and gives Hiro a believable vulnerability.

It makes you wonder how he's going to be set off, especially since he has to consciously switch to Ted's powers.  My guess is he absorbs and switches powers too many times, and overloads like in Fallout and Distractions.  Only this time, he has to worry about a lot more than just falling into a coma.

That last time he overloaded, some of his powers started randomly and uncontrollably going off.  My guess is that's what happens to cause the explosion.  We know all the heroes will come together for the last episode.  That's a lot of people with powers in one place.

It seems to me, based on the fact that he could use powers near him even before he learned to recall him, that there's a bit of a power feedback whenever he's near someone with powers.  The power gets activated, and maybe he can learn to turn it off, even when around them, but get enough people feeding him power at once, and I can definitely see his control getting overwhelmed.  And with Ted's power in his arsenal, that's not a very good thing.

It does seem he's getting better at handling it, though.  He's near 3 others right now and doing fine, except for Ted's powers, which were impossible to control for even him at first.  I'd say he isn't doing too bad for a first-timer.  I suspect that after the explosion, future Peter learned to handle an ever-larger number, especially since we seem him around dozens in the last two comics.
[/spoiler]

[bredon7777]

[spoiler]
I think this episode puts to rest that Peter didn't absorb Issac's art ability. Which begs the quesiton why Sylar hasn't yet?  Does Peter have more practice, or is his control simply inherently better than Sylars?
[/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

[spoiler]The writers have and the series creator have stated repeatedly that Peter did NOT absorb the artistic ability.  Yes, that seems to be contradicted here, but it is what it is.[/spoiler]

[Conduit]

[spoiler]
I don't see it as contradictory at all.  It just means that Peter can draw.  His drawings still aren't anywhere near as good as Isaac's sketches.  Just because he first used the power to draw stick figures doesn't mean that that was the limit of his artistic ability.
[/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

That is very true, Conduit, but again, it's confusing the fans.  They should be a tad bit more careful.

Of course the real reason is simply:

[spoiler]
They've hired a comic book artist to draw the pictures.  He's going to want to use his talents.  He's not going to draw stick figures.  Even if he tries to draw badly, he's just going to draw an artistic impression of a person drawing badly, which is hardly the same thing.
[/spoiler]

[Dr.Volt]

One question occurred to me last night:  If Hiro can travel through time...why doesn't he just travel back to a time to where Sylar is helpless and powerless (such as 5 years of age or so)?  That way Sylar can't really put up a defense and the future would be saved.  Then again, the time stream would potentially be altered dramatically.  And Hiro might have several reasons for not doing so...self imposed Bushido/moral code...inability to concentrate on a specific time frame etc.  Any thoughts on other possibilities??