NBC's _Heroes_

[Nymph]

What are the chances that Molly Walker.....

[spoiler]a.) has reality warping abilities?
b.) can negate or even destroy someone's powers? (This would look too much like Leech from X-3....because she is kept in this room like chamber.)
c.) kill someone?

I want to vote for B but knowing that Sylar will be a main cast member in Season 2......She might be killed.[/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Sorry, Nymph, but the Hatian already can do that, and I see no reason for a repeat character.

[OutsiderNo11]

I am disappointed in the writers keeping Sylar for next season (unless it was a fake leak to the entertainment media).  Why?  Because unless they drastically change that character's attitude, then it's back to where we started in Season 1 with Sylar roaming around killing people for brains.  He's already quite powerful and any additional powers may make him near unstoppable.  So for next season to be good with regards to Sylar, it has to do one of the two things:

1) Either disable most of Sylar's powers and he ends up becoming a support character for the Company (being able to see the genetic difference and all).

-or-

2) He alters his attitude about taking people's powers and decides that only certain kinds of people don't deserve their powers (those who hate their powers, for instance).

Personally, keeping him on as a main villain is a dumb idea since there are plenty of possibilities for future villains.  If you've seen the latest graphic novel, it ends with some possibilities right there.  The two possibilities I mentioned above also are ultimately lame because number 1 puts him on the sidelines and number 2 makes him into a kind of anti-hero.

Bottom line: Sylar should die and they should be done with it.

[Glitch Girl]

It must be early because I'm getting weird random throughts.

What would happen if Sylar tries to take Jessica/Nikki and the secondary personality was part of the powers package?

[OutsiderNo11]

It must be early because I'm getting weird random throughts.

What would happen if Sylar tries to take Jessica/Nikki and the secondary personality was part of the powers package?

Niki's powers may just be similar to Gladiator of the Shi'ar.  She may just get super strength due to confidence in herself.  The Jessica personality is just a case of multiple-personality disorder brought on by her father's abuse when she was child.

[Tomato]

[spoiler]Ummm... this just might be silly tomato talking again... but Sylar being in season 2 doesn't NESCESSARILY mean he isn't going to die or that he won't be a bad guy anymore. Isaac predicted his death, and given that he not only saw the future, but also (conjecturing) the changes to the future Hiro made(He saw Sylar dying even though Hiro didn't attempt to come back to do it until after the events in the last episode) means that his version is probably accurate.

All him being in Season 2 means is they won't get around to killing him until after they stop Peter from exploding[/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Tomato:

[spoiler]he's been officially announced as part of the main cast, which means more than just one or two episodes in the beginning.  He's still only considered a guest star now.[/spoiler]

[Tomato]

Tomato:

[spoiler]he's been officially announced as part of the main cast, which means more than just one or two episodes in the beginning.  He's still only considered a guest star now.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]So just because he's supposed to die means he has to do so in the first few episodes? Pfft, if they've got any brains at all they'll want to stretch this out as long as they can. What's probably going to happen is Hiro will stab him in the next few episodes, Sylar will avoid dying by preparing for the strike because of Isaac's power, SHOCK!

Then in Season 2 we'll find out that Isaac was talking about some other method of actually killing Sylar, and the entire season will be spent trying to kill him. And given Sylar's ego, he'll probably be so wrapped up in his own cleverness after preventing his own "death" that he won't attempt to prevent the second attempt.[/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

But that still means he'll survive.  The word "survive" does not imply doing so indefinitely, just for now.

Besides, he is not, and will presumable not be next season, the main focus of the show.  Like all the other characters, he's been involved in the main storyline, and has a vital role within it, but is not himself the storyline.  In other words, just another character.  I expect the same to be true next season.

[starlock]

I am disappointed in the writers keeping Sylar for next season (unless it was a fake leak to the entertainment media).  Why?  Because unless they drastically change that character's attitude, then it's back to where we started in Season 1 with Sylar roaming around killing people for brains.  He's already quite powerful and any additional powers may make him near unstoppable.  So for next season to be good with regards to Sylar, it has to do one of the two things:

1) Either disable most of Sylar's powers and he ends up becoming a support character for the Company (being able to see the genetic difference and all).

-or-

2) He alters his attitude about taking people's powers and decides that only certain kinds of people don't deserve their powers (those who hate their powers, for instance).

Personally, keeping him on as a main villain is a dumb idea since there are plenty of possibilities for future villains.  If you've seen the latest graphic novel, it ends with some possibilities right there.  The two possibilities I mentioned above also are ultimately lame because number 1 puts him on the sidelines and number 2 makes him into a kind of anti-hero.

Bottom line: Sylar should die and they should be done with it.

I feel the same way,sylar is (to me) getting old, his character is hardly one step ahead of death(seeing all the times he could have been killed) ,i started not to care about him or how or why he does it right after he was revealed. i dont find him interesting at all

[Zapow]

About the illusion powers...

[spoiler]

Speaking of which, I'm very dissapointed in the writers.  They stated in no uncertain terms in an interview that Candace was an illusionist.  They compared her to Mastermind.  They should have realized that Sylar would need to fool cameras and large crowds with her abilities and made it clear she projected holograms or something.  That was the only dissapointing part of that storyline, however.  The build up and reveal were extremely well done.

Just spitballing here, but what if Sylar also had the kid's power over electronic devices? Coupled with Candance's powers he could fool people and machines?
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[bredon7777]

Wow..just..wow..this was a great episode featuring twists and turns that actually arose naturally from the characters (You listening, LOST? This is how you do it).

[spoiler]
Great conflict between two men both willing to go to any lengths to protect their families. Glad to see it meant HRG continued his journey into reluctant hero.  Sad to see it means that Matt became a villan.

Niki won, and Jessica went away. Heh. Didn't see that coming. Mental health nitpick- not overly realistic; more often than not perosnalities merge, rather than depart.

So Hiro went dark because Ando died. Understandable. BTW "I scare myself", is now my offical favorite line of the season.

Bit of a cheat suddenly having Sylar be adept at using two powers at once, given that he's never done that before, but not impossible. 

Its obvious now that Ted's power doesnt hurt whoever uses it.  That said- thats TWICE now we've been deproved of a kick butt Peter vs Sylar smackdown after a few inital seconds.  I'm going to be upset if it happens a third time.

Future Hiro bought into the lie that Sylar was the bomb. So Present Hiro is trying to change the past based on faulty information. Not good.  That also explains Nathan's odd behavior in the dream- perhaps its Sylar-as-Nathan, having killed both Nathan and Candance.   OOOH! What if it is Sylar -and he SAVES NY by flying Peter off somewhere.

Speaking of Sylar-- given that season 2 is about the descendants and the ancestors of the current crop of heroes, I'm a little less worried about him being a series regular.  I still think its a bad idea, and Sylar needs to die (or at the very least be severely neutered). But I coud cope with Father of Sylar/Son of Sylar both being played by Zach Quinto in order to reduce current Sylar's involvement while keeping Quinto a regular

As for Candace, if her power is "making people see what they want to see", then its not too much of a stretch to include "making people see what they want to see on video" as well.

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[Mr. Hamrick]

[spoiler]

• We definitely know that Nathan Petrelli will not likely survive the season.  Unless the twist is that his survival is as crucial to avoiding that future as "saving the cheerleader".
• Peter and Jessica getting together made sense.  If the only reason being because they are both specials and because of the events described in the season.  IE: the death of DL, Micah and Nikki, mainly the death of Micha. Peter is a nurse and could've tried to help her deal with what happened.  They become an item.
• The biggest flaw to me in last's episode was the whole Claire, and Nathan thing.  Yes, he is her biological father.  It's been alluded though that she views Bennett as more of a father figure to her as he raised her.  Her biological father wants nothing to do with her from all indication (unless there is a major shift in that in the next three episodes). I mean he is asking her to leave to country so she doesn't mess up his campaign.  Bennet cares for her even if he is back to being his usual backstabbing morally GRAY self.  (GRAY not GREY, see Sylar's real name.)  In the end though, Bennett still betrayed Claire or at least this was suggested.  Nevertheless, I don't think Claire would be fond of Nathan now.  I defnintely think that Sylar's words to her as Nathan were a giveaway that it was him.  However, the scene where she is looking "lovingly" at Nathan on the TV seemed to mess with all that.  
• Molly's power = Sylar's defeat and also Sylar's semi-redemption?  I mean at this point is there a way for Sylar to become something of "one of the good guys" next season though one that no one fully trusts because of his previous actions.

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[Conduit]

[spoiler]

Just spitballing here, but what if Sylar also had the kid's power over electronic devices? Coupled with Candance's powers he could fool people and machines?

That would have been a great explanation, but unfortunately Sylar didn't say that.

As for Candace, if her power is "making people see what they want to see", then its not too much of a stretch to include "making people see what they want to see on video" as well.

Yes it is.  "Making people see what they want to see" indicates that Candace actually affects the minds of people with her powers.  Impersonating Nathan would require affecting millions of people at once from thousands of miles away 24/7.
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[KRnut82]

One thing really bugs me. I thought about it last night and I'll put in spoilers to be on the safe side.

[spoiler]There is a slim chance that Future Sylar can or will be able to time travel. Bear with me.

Since Future Hiro is dead (shot in the back I might add), I can easily see Future Sylar going up to Future Hiros' body and opening his skull. "So, you can travel in time? Lets see how that works."[/spoiler]

I hope that I am wrong.

[Xorn]

One thing really bugs me. I thought about it last night and I'll put in spoilers to be on the safe side.

[spoiler]There is a slim chance that Future Sylar can or will be able to time travel. Bear with me.

Since Future Hiro is dead (shot in the back I might add), I can easily see Future Sylar going up to Future Hiros' body and opening his skull. "So, you can travel in time? Lets see how that works."[/spoiler]

I hope that I am wrong.

Well, considering the current Hiro will most likely change the past and thus change the future those events will not have taken place and the future sylar would not have that option... Otherwise a huge paradox would arise... and thier would have to be some consequence to the state of the universe... In short I doubt that will happen...

[KRnut82]

Yeah, I've thought of that too. And I'm actually in full agreement with you.

Buuuut, Hollywood writers usually don't tend to think like us. They can (and will) make up their own rules to suit their needs for any storyline(s).

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

One mistake many of you are making with the future timeline:

[spoiler]It was stated that HRG was hiding Candace.  Obviously, Sylar had to kill her to take over as Nathan.  Therefore Nathan was already likely President and some of the restrictions of supers already imposed BEFORE Sylar kills Nathan and takes over.  Therefore Nathan's impending death is far from certain.  It is some months or even a year or two before that will happen anyway, and who knows what effects the explosion not happening will have on the timeline.[/spoiler]

[bredon7777]

Just rewatched my tape- more thoughts:

[spoiler]
We didn't learn how Peter got his scar. :(  Also, given that Sylar couldn't zip open Peter's head fast enough to kill him, how did he zip open Claire's? I find it hard to believe that a copy is a stronger power than the original.

Mohinder, while an idiot, is not a murderer.  While he redeems himself in the last scene, theres no way in heck I buy him going along with a plan to kill everyone with powers.

[/spoiler]

Edited to add: I think "String Theory" is a much stronger title than "Five Years Gone"

[Conduit]

[spoiler]

Also, given that Sylar couldn't zip open Peter's head fast enough to kill him, how did he zip open Claire's? I find it hard to believe that a copy is a stronger power than the original.

He wasn't expecting Peter to regenerate the first time.  He probably took care to hold the cuts open with TK this time.
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[Sevenforce]

Gonna do it in order of annoyance -

The Agency - Let it slide, ignore it. That company is run all kinds of wrong...seriously. I know its a government agency, but sheesh.

Peter - The powers he absorbs...does he recall them automatically? Claires healing shouldn't really have worked. The way it was explained a few episodes back by Claude, shouldn't he have to 'recall' how they feel or some such thing? He can't do that very well if hes dead can he? I dunno, it was just something bothering me about .07%

Matt - *shakes head* I...just repeating whats been said. Traitor. And also...why couldn't he tell Nathan was Sylar? You'd think a telepath could tell that <_<

[spoiler]
How supers get treated in the future - Hmm. A few years ago I woulda laughed and said thats not how people act. Now, I'm not so sure.

And can someone PLEASE explain to me how they capture some of these? 90% of the powers we've seen so far have an offensive use. The only one I can think of, offhand, that hasn't been offensive is super-hearing lady. That dude that melts stuff can still be offensive if he can project it at guns and can affect organics. Unless the Haitian can duplicate himself, how are they capturing anybody who doesn't want to be captured? And why is he back with the company, after all that hassle he went to to protect Claire!? Shouldn't he have been shot on sight? :o[/spoiler]

The 'science' behind powers and their inheritence - Lalala, I can't hear you. Accepting, since it IS a good drama, which is mostly why I watch it, and considering the subject, it would be really hard to be believable :lol:.

Hiro's powers - *klaxon sound* AGGGGHHHHH!!! Logic circuits, dying! >< Seriously, this guy is a writers nightmare. [spoiler]He gets taken down so many times in this eppy, and so easily! And I seriously wanna know if this is a self-contained timeline ala Time Travellers Wife (good book, bit soppy) or multiple timelines. Self-contained would make a bit more sense...but not much. Speaking of timelines, when exactly did Sylar kill everybody? :huh:

Being denied yet another Peter/Sylar fight - ...Okay, where's my axe? I got me some producers to kill :P[/spoiler]

Seriously, though, I am loving this series. I'm a bit confused on how they're gonna have Sylar in next series, but I can wait. Sorta. *starts twitching* Dammit I need my fix! :(

[Conduit]

[spoiler]

And can someone PLEASE explain to me how they capture some of these? 90% of the powers we've seen so far have an offensive use. The only one I can think of, offhand, that hasn't been offensive is super-hearing lady. That dude that melts stuff can still be offensive if he can project it at guns and can affect organics. Unless the Haitian can duplicate himself, how are they capturing anybody who doesn't want to be captured? And why is he back with the company, after all that hassle he went to to protect Claire!? Shouldn't he have been shot on sight? :o

Dale is the only one whose power wasn't offensive?  What about Claire, Charlie, Isaac, Hana, the dream boy, Sylar (before he stole any powers), Nathan, Micah (unless you have a pacemaker), Claude and Matt?  That's a good half of the specials we've seen so far.  And even among those that have offensive powers, few of them would be able to take out say, an entire SWAT team all by themselves.  Or be confident enough to risk trying.
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[Sevenforce]

[spoiler]Like I said, only one I could think of, heh. Was in full vent mode and couldn't see through the axe rage haze brought on by Pete/Sylar denial. Oh, that battles gonna be sooooo sweet... :lol:

Claires power, in and of itself, is not offensive, but can be used offensively. Heck, she could probably pummel the SWAT team to death before they take her down :P Nathan could pick up, fly up, drop. Rinse and repeat. Claude? Come on. Invisibility, without the infra-red goggles, has a practical plethora of offensive uses.

Despite that, (good counterpoint, by the way) my other point still stands for most of them. How, exactly, do you detain someone who can erase all the data relating to them, making tracing them incredibly difficult? Or someone who can fly away? Even super-hearing lady (Dale, was it? Didn't catch her name) could hear you coming, and get away in time, I suppose. Hiro...theres no way you should be able to capture that guy. YES I'm still harping on about him, he ticks me off that much ;)

And thats still a lot of super powered people. There must be thousands of them. How many super prisons can you build in five years? That's even assuming that there is a way of power-dampening without the Haitian, which I'm still a bit iffy about...(see Eve argument a few pages back)

And when you're dealing with people like Sylar and Peter, who are walking armies, and who, in Sylars case, requires a whole team of supers to deal with? No Dice.

P.S. If the show was perfect I'd say it was too perfect. Just saying, one of my many many faults is I am a horrible nitpicker :D

Although one thing I can't complain about...Sylar flying as Nathan. Oh. So. Cool.[/spoiler]

[Talavar]

At this point...

[spoiler]
my hope about Sylar & next season is that his full-cast member status is disinformation on the part of the show's producers.  Next season should be about new threats, & Sylar at this point has gone too far & done too much to be redeemable. 
[/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Talavar:

[spoiler]Who said anything about Sylar being redeemed?  Main cast does not = good guy.[/spoiler]

[afterburn]

[spoiler]Theory about how Peter gets the scar.  Sylar takes illusion girls powers and Hiro is caught with his sword in front of two Peter's.  Hiro makes the wrong choice, Peter can't regenerate it fast enough as he has to fight off Sylar.  Who knows exactly though?

The person I am really most upset on the show about is Mohinder.  He is supposed to be smart, have some understanding of genetics, the first few times, I let it go, thinking them as rookie mistakes, but come on, this is a main guy in the show and yet he continues to show absolutely no purpose but to let Sylar go time and time again.[/spoiler]

[Conduit]

[spoiler]

Claires power, in and of itself, is not offensive, but can be used offensively. Heck, she could probably pummel the SWAT team to death before they take her down :P Nathan could pick up, fly up, drop. Rinse and repeat. Claude? Come on. Invisibility, without the infra-red goggles, has a practical plethora of offensive uses.

A single SWAT team member should be able to easily overpower Claire and slap some handcuffs on her.  Even if she had a weapon, she'd have to be really really quick to take them all out before one of them shot her (both actual bullets and most of the non lethal stuff should work on her long enough to capture her).  The same goes for Nathan.  And you could get around most of their abilities if you simply snuck up on them, shot them with a tranquelizer dart, then moved in to capture them once they fell asleep.  Also keep in mind that Homeland Security probably had quite a few specials working for them.  In addition to Matt and the Haitian, we see 2 superpowered SWAT team members in the last page of the latest comic.

And thats still a lot of super powered people. There must be thousands of them. How many super prisons can you build in five years? That's even assuming that there is a way of power-dampening without the Haitian, which I'm still a bit iffy about...(see Eve argument a few pages back)

If there isn't a way of power-dampening without the Haitian, there are always sedatives.  And the cells at Primatech prove that it is possible to detain them.  They even managed to keep Sylar locked up for a while
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[thanoson]

Ok, just got through watching this episode. Woo hooo!!! That was awesome. So, who will be the person to kill Sylar?

[Talavar]

[spoiler]
Well, if Sylar is a main character next year he's either redeemed to some degree, or the villain again.  That's why I said next season should be about new threats; I don't want another season of Sylar trying to kill specials for their brains.  When this season's done, he should take a dirt nap, and there should be a new villain or villains next year.
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[Sevenforce]

[spoiler]Maybe he gets cloned? :lol: :P[/spoiler]