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[Conduit]

Well, I'm totally sure I didn't see it.  If possible, could you look through the episodes tonight and tell me where exactly it was, and maybe provide a screenshot?

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

For one thing, I'll be at work.

Should I even see it in the future, I'll attempt to do so.

(In other words, I have other things to do than to prove I'm right.  There may even be a chance I'm wrong anyways.)

EDIT:

I just saw the newest episode, and all I have to say is, wow!

Some highlights:

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1.  Nice Peter vs. Sylar fight.  Sylar wins, although Mohinder makes sure that victor is short-lived, but still pretty sweet.  Sylar proves that he's more experienced at this, though.

2.  It's confirmed that Linderman is in charge of the Company and is the unknown person giving the orders.  For the first time, we actually see the Company helping Linderman further his plans.  HRG had no idea of the connection, though, explaining some of the earlier expressed concerns.

3.  Now we know how Ted gets to New York.  Why doesn't HRG put it all together?

4.  Hiro vs. Future Hiro.  Cool!  And Future Hiro doesn't sound too pleased to see him.

5.  Mohinder's not about to be taken in again, is he?  Sheesh, you'd think he'd learn.
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[Sword]

I've fallen back on watching this, but tonight's episode was equal parts "Cool" "Cold" and "Saw it Coming"
My thought on Linderman's plot:
[spoiler] Nathan as the pretty boy candidate for the presidency. Linderman as major contributor. Micah as the one who performs vote fraud in the computers to get Nathan elected. One day later, the destruction in NYC and the newly elected spurs the people to hope or so it might be believed. The very fact though,that, Hiro has not only need but training to wield the blade in the grim future proves that obviously, not all is well with the world. I'm sensing a project wide-awake analog, where all specials are hunted by the new government.[/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Sword:

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Some spoilers leaked earlier have confirmed exactly that.  And Matt is the one in charge of this project.
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[Conduit]

Oh well.  We'll just have to see.

As for the new episode, I thought it was great, and not just because it's the first new episode in 2 months.

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So Isaac's dead.  We all saw that coming.  This is still different from what Hiro saw in the second episode, because if the body had been there for a week, it would have visibly rotted.  Not to mention it should have long since been discovered by then.  It's interesting to see Sylar's art style.  And scary to think of what he'll be capable of now.

HRG is awesome.  'Nuf said.  I was on the edge of my seat during their entire escape.

The same goes for all of the Petrelli family reunion scenes.  It's great to see the characters actually communicating about what happened for once.

The Peter/Sylar fight was very cool, but it moved too slowly.  Peter should have either attacked Sylar or escaped from the apartment long before he threw the glass.

I've seen the "Peter survives the explosion by using Claire's powers" theory tossed around so much on the internet that even mentioning it on the show is enough to make me mad.  If it's even mentioned in the next episode, I'll throw something at the TV.  It isn't about realism, it's about consistency with the portrayal of the powers.  Peter couldn't regenerate because he had a piece of glass stuck in his brain.  How the heck could he regenerate if every atom of his body was blown out of its molecular bonds and scattered over several thousand square miles?  It's just ridiculous, and it would make Claire and Peter way, way too powerful.

It's pure speculation on Nathan's part, and it's already been demonstrated that Ted is completely unharmed by his own radiation, so they have an established way to make Peter survive, but I needed to get that off my chest.

I can't wait to see the next episode.  It's so awesome, I simply can't think of anything to say about it.
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[Gremlin]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stumpy]

Shades of Watchmen, Mr. L thinks he's Ozymandias!

BTW, I am still not liking the long recaps starting out some of the scenes...

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After Mohinder KOed Sylar with the easel, I was screaming, "Now, finish him! Bash his head in while you have a chance! There is a gun laying around there somewhere, grab it and use it!" <sigh> I know there is a storyline that has to happen and Sylar has to get away, but this is just one of those things that makes Mhinder look like an idiot. The writers should have contrived some better way for Sylar to escape. Now, we have to wait and see what sort of dupe Mohinder is played for by Mongul.

No scar for Peter, yet.

Peter (and maybe Matt, too) does a pretty selective job of reading minds. If he really got inside of Nathan and especially Mrs. Petrelli's head, I wonder how he would react. The episode ends before we find out what Peter thinks of the Claire-in-Paris election scheme. I don't think he would be especially happy with it, though it would keep Claire relatively out of Sylar's clutches. My real problem is that it would be tough for Nathan to have any conversation with Peter about that and not be thinking about how he is working with Linderman (who Peter knows as one of his father's mob clients who ADA Nathan was after) and how he is to become President. The idea that Peter picks up on none of that is a little annoying.

In the scene where the illusionist is leaving after snatching Micah and she snarks "cute car" to Jessica, I don't really think Jessica would be so casual about that. She knows that Linderman is after Micah and she knows Linderman rejected her refusal to turn him over; she would be expecting a snatch-and-grab op.

I totally agree that HRG should have made the connection between Isaac's prediction of a nuclear explosion in NYC and Ted going to NYC. Duh.

BTW, Conduit, that's basically what I have been thinking: Peter survives the explosion because he isn't harmed by it, same as Ted doesn't show any harm from the use of his power. There's no need for a different explanation.
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[Mr. Hamrick]

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In the scene where the illusionist is leaving after snatching Micah and she snarks "cute car" to Jessica, I don't really think Jessica would be so casual about that. She knows that Linderman is after Micah and she knows Linderman rejected her refusal to turn him over; she would be expecting a snatch-and-grab op.
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I strongly disagree.  I think she assumed that Linderman took her threat seriously. 

oh and I am glad I am not the only one who thought of The Watchmen after this episode.
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[Conduit]

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Peter (and maybe Matt, too) does a pretty selective job of reading minds. If he really got inside of Nathan and especially Mrs. Petrelli's head, I wonder how he would react. The episode ends before we find out what Peter thinks of the Claire-in-Paris election scheme. I don't think he would be especially happy with it, though it would keep Claire relatively out of Sylar's clutches. My real problem is that it would be tough for Nathan to have any conversation with Peter about that and not be thinking about how he is working with Linderman (who Peter knows as one of his father's mob clients who ADA Nathan was after) and how he is to become President. The idea that Peter picks up on none of that is a little annoying.

Peter isn't like Matt, where it's always on.  He has to consciously switch to Matt's power.  He may not even have figured out how to do that yet (the only time when he used Matt's power was during the "power spazzing" scene in Distractions).  Even if he does know how to switch to Matt's power, he might be choosing not to out of respect for the privacy of his family.
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[OutsiderNo11]

Careful, this one is a bombshell:

[spoiler]Sylar was originally the one who was the bomb.  According to the latest graphic novel (which are canon to the show) Future Hiro comments on how Sylar was the bomb and he regenerated when Hiro tried to kill him.  That means that the next hero to be killed by Sylar will be Ted (it has already set to happen).  This is why Hiro wanted Peter to save Claire.  And when Peter, in his vision, refers to "him," he is referring to Sylar and not Ted.  Looks like bigger things are coming.[/spoiler]

[Nymph]

I hate how no one mentioned Angela Petrealli's line........

[spoiler]"I knew far before either of you did."
Maybe she was once part of the organization when her husband was still alive??

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[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Umm, Nymph, there were several other lines that also indicated that.  Not to mentions some things we already know about her.  You found one oak, but didn't notice the rest of the forest.

[bredon7777]

Shades of Watchmen, Mr. L thinks he's Ozymandias!

BTW, I am still not liking the long recaps starting out some of the scenes...

Really?  I quite liked this weeks guest voice.  Maybe they should rotate narrating duties among the cast.

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After Mohinder KOed Sylar with the easel, I was screaming, "Now, finish him! Bash his head in while you have a chance! There is a gun laying around there somewhere, grab it and use it!" <sigh> I know there is a storyline that has to happen and Sylar has to get away, but this is just one of those things that makes Mhinder look like an idiot. The writers should have contrived some better way for Sylar to escape. Now, we have to wait and see what sort of dupe Mohinder is played for by Mongul. [/spoiler]

[spoiler] Yup. Dumbest smart person on the show, AGAIN. Not to mention that Mohinder took the time to take Peter's body- a huge risk if Sylar is able to wake up.  And yes, Mohinder is going to be played for a fool by Thompson.  I'm starting to wonder if some sort of character assasination is going on here. [/spoiler]

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No scar for Peter, yet. [/spoiler]

[spoiler] While I suppose it was understandable that Nathan and Grandma P didn't know what to do - I lost count of the number of times I yelled "Take the bleep piece of glass out of his head already!".  Still- very nice scene between him and Claire, so I guess I can forgive [/spoiler]

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In the scene where the illusionist is leaving after snatching Micah and she snarks "cute car" to Jessica, I don't really think Jessica would be so casual about that. She knows that Linderman is after Micah and she knows Linderman rejected her refusal to turn him over; she would be expecting a snatch-and-grab op.[/spoiler]

[spoiler] I have no doubt that Jessica would be expecting a smash and grab job. Not a trick.  Shed be expecting to come home and find the house wrecked and Micah gone; not the house locked up and appearing to be in perfect order.  And given that she doesnt know about the shape shifter, I didn't have a problem with her not getting it. Also, keep in mind that we haven't seen her reaction yet- the glare she gave Constance was a little suspicous, sure- but I don't expect her to go through the roof until she goes inside the house and finds Micah gone.  Also, this needed to happen for the planned merging of Niki/Jessica- they needed to find some common ground, and the only thing they agree on is the need to protect Micah.[/spoiler]

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I assume the way to kill Sylar is on the canvas Issac sent to Nathan- under the duplicate painting of Nathan in the Oval office that hangs in Linderman's vault (BTW- Love, loved loved: "Well, next time you see him, tell him I want my sword back").  However, why on Earth didn't Sylar get Issacs art ability when he ate his brain- Peter got it. [/spoiler]

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Oh, and I dont know who else is playing the online game, but I found the shout out we got last night amusing - since WE (those of us playing the game) are the reason Lindermans first plan to rig the election went down the tubes  :D ) [/spoiler]

[bredon7777]

Careful, this one is a bombshell:

[spoiler]Sylar was originally the one who was the bomb.  According to the latest graphic novel (which are canon to the show) Future Hiro comments on how Sylar was the bomb and he regenerated when Hiro tried to kill him.  That means that the next hero to be killed by Sylar will be Ted (it has already set to happen).  This is why Hiro wanted Peter to save Claire.  And when Peter, in his vision, refers to "him," he is referring to Sylar and not Ted.  Looks like bigger things are coming.[/spoiler]

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Yes, except that Sylar has been made a series regualr for next season, which pretty much takes any potential suspense out of it.  I understand that their adopting the comic book model, but really, I still think making him a regular was a huge mistake. [/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

[spoiler]I assume the way to kill Sylar is on the canvas Issac sent to Nathan- under the duplicate painting of Nathan in the Oval office that hangs in Linderman's vault (BTW- Love, loved loved: "Well, next time you see him, tell him I want my sword back").  However, why on Earth didn't Sylar get Issacs art ability when he ate his brain- Peter got it.[/spoiler]

Umm, did you miss the scene with

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Isaac lying dead on the floor while Sylar is using his powers to paint?
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[Zapow]

Prediction time:

[spoiler]The picture Isaac painted of Nathan in the White House is not Nathan at all. It's Sylar after he's stolen the illusion chick's power and taken Nathan's identity. He'll be the one elected president.

Did you notice that when Sylar used Isaac's power the figure in the painting looked more like a crude representation of himself than it did of Nathan?[/spoiler]

[bredon7777]

[spoiler]I assume the way to kill Sylar is on the canvas Issac sent to Nathan- under the duplicate painting of Nathan in the Oval office that hangs in Linderman's vault (BTW- Love, loved loved: "Well, next time you see him, tell him I want my sword back").  However, why on Earth didn't Sylar get Issacs art ability when he ate his brain- Peter got it.[/spoiler]

Umm, did you miss the scene with

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Isaac lying dead on the floor while Sylar is using his powers to paint?
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I said ART ability, not "future prediciting" ability.  Did you SEE the painting? I work with several kids under 10, all of whom could produce a better looking painting than that. Peter went from doodling to competent artist while he was using Issac's ability, I just find it odd Sylar didn't do the same. [/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

[spoiler]No, he didn't.  All Peter painted was a bunch of red blood and a couple of other details.  He had the simplest part of the painting, as 80% of it was already finished.

And I didn't think Sylar's was that bad.  A harsher, darker style, true, but not horrible.[/spoiler]

[Conduit]

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I assume the way to kill Sylar is on the canvas Issac sent to Nathan- under the duplicate painting of Nathan in the Oval office that hangs in Linderman's vault (BTW- Love, loved loved: "Well, next time you see him, tell him I want my sword back").  However, why on Earth didn't Sylar get Issacs art ability when he ate his brain- Peter got it.

Umm, did you miss the scene with

Isaac lying dead on the floor while Sylar is using his powers to paint?

I said ART ability, not "future prediciting" ability.  Did you SEE the painting? I work with several kids under 10, all of whom could produce a better looking painting than that. Peter went from doodling to competent artist while he was using Issac's ability, I just find it odd Sylar didn't do the same.

Like catwhowalksbyhimself said, Peter did not absorb Isaac's artistic talent.  You can clearly see that the portion of Isaac's painting that was finished by Peter was far worse than Isaac's paintings of Claire.  Indeed Tim Sale (the artist who creates the paintings in real life) stated in an interview that he purposely drew that part in a more "amateurish" style.

Prediction time:

The picture Isaac painted of Nathan in the White House is not Nathan at all. It's Sylar after he's stolen the illusion chick's power and taken Nathan's identity. He'll be the one elected president.

Did you notice that when Sylar used Isaac's power the figure in the painting looked more like a crude representation of himself than it did of Nathan?

But the illusion powers would only fool people, right?  If they can't fool cameras, it wouldn't take very long at all for Sylar to be discovered.
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[Zapow]

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But the illusion powers would only fool people, right?  If they can't fool cameras, it wouldn't take very long at all for Sylar to be discovered.

We don't really know how her powers work. Maybe they fool electronics too.[/spoiler]

[Uncle Yuan]

LOL - That's a lot of [spoiler][/spoiler]
I can't read the last 20 posts!  I better get on over to NBC.com and catch up fast!

[Conduit]

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But the illusion powers would only fool people, right?  If they can't fool cameras, it wouldn't take very long at all for Sylar to be discovered.

We don't really know how her powers work. Maybe they fool electronics too.

It was stated in the most recent commentary that her power is a mental one.  The actress described her character as an "illusionist" and her ability as "making people see what she wants them to see" in an interview.

Also, it would make sense if, as with most mental abilities, it would be harder to affect multiple people at once.  So affecting a large crowd might be extremely difficult to do.

By the way, if you want to compare the two paintings, you can find Isaac's version here, and Sylar's version here.
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[Raptor]

Here are a couple of thoughts that I posted on the NBC.com forums

[spoiler]Here are a few of my thoughts.

1)As far as why Sylar's painting looked the way it did, my initial thoughts were that he was trying to use the power immediately after gaining it and he hadn't completely mastered it yet, just like what happened right after he took the super hearing. I think its just a matter of figuring out how to use the ability, which is what Sylar's power really is. He can see how things work and can figure them out for himself, as opposed to Peter who can mimic abilities. Peter's painting was better than Sylar's because he was mimicing (sp?) Isaac's ability rather than figuring out how to use it. Once Sylar has a chance to paint more his paintings will get better.


2)Someone asked if Linderman was good or evil.  I think Linderman is the worst kind of evil. He is one of those delusional heroes. He thinks he is doing what is best for humanity and has honorable intentions, but is willing to make astronomical sacrifices of innocent lives to reach those ends. Evil just for the sake of evil is one thing, but how do you stop someone who is convinced that what he is doing is for the greater good? And how do you know he's not right in the end?


3)The only aggrivating factor for me in this episode was, as others have mentioned, Mohinder not finishing off Sylar while he was unconscious. I understand it is necessary for the plot for Sylar to survive, but I found myself shouting at the TV screen "GRAB THE GUN AND PLUG HIM IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD 3 OR 4 TIMES!!!!!!" (But I often do the same thing with any movie where the bad guy has been incapacitated, is lying motionless on the ground and is presumed dead) It just seems to me that Mohinder, better than anyone, knows what Sylar is capable of, and that he must take advantage of any opportunity to take him out of this world to prevent further death and destruction. The previous episode before the break seemed to imply that Mohinder had learned that lesson. It just didn't make sense to me that he wouldn't now take advantage of it when he had the obvious opportunity. 

4)I am beginning to think that the Petrelli boys got their powers from their mother. Mrs. Petrelli implied, in my opinion, that she had powers when she was talking to Claire. She said that she didn't want Claire making the same mistakes she had made (paraphrasing).

Also, something else to think about. Remember the first few episodes where Peter was having premonitions. We know that Peter gets his abilities by absorbing them or mimicing them from people he's been in contact with. Who do we know that has premonitions? Noone yet. I think its Mrs. Petrelli. She does seem to know an aweful lot about everyone. I think that's why.[/spoiler]

[Tomato]

[spoiler]I don't know about you guys, but I think the whole thing in the difference in paintings had to do with how that person looked at the world. Peter and Iaasic are much clearer thinkers (well... when Iaasic's not high that is) while Silar is insane. It makes sense that a vision filtered through a warped mind would be warped.[/spoiler]

[BentonGrey]

Bingo Tomato, my thoughts exactly.  He's a much darker soul, almost pitch black, and his is a nightmarish vision from a man out of a nightmare.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

About the paintings, several of the series writers and the director have stated:

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That Isaac's power an a person's ability to paint are two separate things.  So a person like me who can only do stick figures would, if given Isaacs power, only be able to draw stick figures.

As mentioned before, Peter only used that power twice, once it was stick figures, another time, only a crudely drawn corner of an otherwise finished painting.  Most of what he painted was a puddle of red paint.  That doesn't exactly take a lot of talent.
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[Gremlin]

Personally, I think Sylar painted in a strange, frelled up way because he's crazy.  Try poking around the internet for images of paintings done by schizophrenics, and combine that with his poor drawing talents.  Voila, instant creepy masterpiece.

It'll sell for millions on eBay.

[Talavar]

As to Linderman being evil...
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Of course he doesn't think he's evil.  No one outside of fiction does.  Sylar doesn't think he's evil, he just thinks other people don't matter: he's a psychopath.  But he wouldn't say "look how delightfully evil I am!"  He might argue that good & evil don't apply to him, that he's beyond such constructs, or that they're artificial in the first place.  Linderman sees himself as a saviour, but one willing to pull an Ozymandias.  I mean, the kind of evil you see in the Emperor from Star Wars, or comics from the Silver Age, where people actually name their own groups the Brotherhood of EVIL mutants or the Masters of EVIL, is really ridiculous.
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[House Quake]

Here are a couple of thoughts that I posted on the NBC.com forums

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4)I am beginning to think that the Petrelli boys got their powers from their mother. Mrs. Petrelli implied, in my opinion, that she had powers when she was talking to Claire. She said that she didn't want Claire making the same mistakes she had made (paraphrasing).

Also, something else to think about. Remember the first few episodes where Peter was having premonitions. We know that Peter gets his abilities by absorbing them or mimicing them from people he's been in contact with. Who do we know that has premonitions? Noone yet. I think its Mrs. Petrelli. She does seem to know an aweful lot about everyone. I think that's why.[/spoiler]

I think you are dead on the money with this thought.
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[Jakew]

Y'know my prediction for the explosion for quite a while has been this ... Sylar kills Ted and the illusion projecting chick, takes on Peter's form to get close to the rest of the heroes, but loses control of Ted's powers. Nathan sacrificies himself by flying him out of the city to explode in space, the desert, etc.

However, after finding out Sylar is a regular in next season, I wouldn't have a clue where the plot is going. I hope the writers do.

Can't say I'm overly stoked with the writers paying so much "homage" to Watchmen either.

Anybody read anything about the ratings slump the last episode experienced? Down 2 million viewers apparently.