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Hmmm. I guess I'll need to add another Cap variation. Paging C6!


And for the record, I don't care for the costume design. Reminds me of the golden age Shield too much. But we'll see how it plays out, eh?

Bucky? Is that you?

:o Whoah! That is great news! Though, they are still not sure who this new Cap is.  :blink: I really thought Steve Rogers had come back to life there for a moment.  :P

Quote from: Podmark on October 11, 2007, 09:25:28 AM
Bucky? Is that you?

Gotta agree its Bucky, the gun and knife seem to fit his winter soldier persona. Cant say I care much for the costume, the top half looks shiny. :thumbdown:

The idea of Cap carrying a gun and a knife is AWESOME!   Makes him more of a man.    That's also why the new costume is so GREAT!   The point of the old shield design points directly to his MANHOOD!   How macho is that?

Can't wait for what's next.   Maybe Cap can do a drive-by?   Or pop a knee cap?   Or join a really cool gang?

Kudos on the team who re-imagined this historic icon.   They're almost as the team who so brilliantly killed him.

:doh:

I'm totally on your side AS, but to be fair, it's not like Cap (the real Cap) never used a gun before.

Quote from: AncientSpirit on October 11, 2007, 10:01:45 AM
The idea of Cap carrying a gun and a knife is AWESOME!   Makes him more of a man.    That's also why the new costume is so GREAT!   The point of the old shield design points directly to his MANHOOD!   How macho is that?

Can't wait for what's next.   Maybe Cap can do a drive-by?   Or pop a knee cap?   Or join a really cool gang?

Kudos on the team who re-imagined this historic icon.   They're almost as the team who so brilliantly killed him.

I hate to tell you but Alex Ross did the costume redesign with nods toward the Ultimate design (like we needed another 616 character redesigned to look more like their Ultimate counterpart) and a mourning look for the original.. but I'm still at a draw that it's between Winter Soldier or a new soldier under the suit.

- CrimsonQuill

Is this some sort of joke? April isn't until next year Marvel. :rolleyes:

I'm fine with Bucky taking up the mantle, along with sporting the knife and gun (Winter Soldier-esque and because I know this whole thing is temporary) but that costume is ugly. It's pretty much a black leather suit with a Cap cutout for the chest and Cap's mask.

:thumbdown:

Epic fail, Marvel.

You know, this isn't the fist time that Ross's redesigns haven't been awesome....but it is pretty rare.  I'm rather surprised.

Y'know, I'm okay with it.

At least Ross was thinking about the character when he did the design.  I don't mind that it hearkens back to old-timer Cap in a way and the reflective armor looks kinda cool.

It's rather sad that an artist spends more time thinking about the character's history than the writers do...

Ha, true BB.

Heh... I've seen worse. Does anyone remember Cap's Exo- Suit he wore when the Super Soldier Serum overloaded Steve's nervous system?

The costume is pretty cool. I agree with Crimsonquill though. This "new" design has aspects of the old and the ultimate Cap costume. It just has some black areas and it's shiny. Otherwise, it's all something in another Cap outfit.

Guns and knives? Hmmmm. I know Cap is (was- Steve?- now someone else...) a soldier, so a gun wouldn't be out of the question. Steve used guns in WWII, but didn't in the modern age. This new guy will definitely use them. I'm not sure what message they are sending by having the symbol of America running around with a gun and a knife drawn (pun intended). I'll have to think more about that.  :unsure:

Hmm...

Warning: artistic nattering to follow.

In all honesty, I have not been a big fan of Alex Ross' original costume designs.  There's something about the line of them that I often find unflattering.  It's... hard to explain, but it's just in the way they're put together that just never works for me even if the overal concept feels sound.  This is another one of those cases.  The way the point of the red/white/blue segment curves outward as it enounters the black gives Cap's body an usual shape (his lower chest almost appears rounded).  I know he's going for the shield shape, but for that to work on the frame, I think  the point wound need to stop at the base of the sternum and keep the curves, or lose the curves altogether and make it a straight cut between the color and black.   I also feel a belt wound break up the costume, but I think Alex and I differ on the usefulness of belts in general.  ;)  And finally, I think the the flexable chrome is a bit off-putting.  I think it would work better to have the chromy parts as rigid armor, or preferably, not use the chromy shininess on the costume.

The gun and the knife don't bother me that much actually, as long as he isn't written like the Punisher with them.  Non-lethal should be the primary method of attack, falling back on the other weapons as a last resort.

Gonna have to see what they do with him though  before I can really do a verdict.

Quite simply, it sucks.

I don't care for that type of gloves at all. The only character I can think of offhand that it works on is the Spectre. I can deal with the red, white and blue parts being shiny, but most of the suit being black sucks. It would look less awful if the belt and boots were colored differently, and with maybe red, white and blue stripes down the side of each leg.

Here's hoping someone at Marvel gets some sense and Steve is back by #50, if not sooner.

ummmm.....ICK!!?

While I might have liked the basic costume design (shiny/black) on a *new* character, it's definitely NOT Cap.  All it does evoke from me (aside from the initial revulsion) is "ooh, look, someone is disgracing Cap's memory."  I predict this will go the route of all the *other* post-WWII non-Steve Rogers Caps......unsuccessful and mostly forgotten. (no offense, USAgent  ;))

Upon reading the article, a couple things stuck out that bothered me:

Quote from: Alex Ross"Well, funny enough, there's this awful movie serial made in the '40s with Cap where he had no shield, no wings on his mask, no white sleeves, little tiny gloves, and he carried a gun."

If it was that awful, why bother incorporating anything from it???

Quote"Well I think in many ways we want people to react with whatever emotions that come to mind," says Ross. "The idea that Captain America would have an offensive weapon like a gun...if it's an upset feeling, we want it to be so. We want it to feel like, 'Oh, he's got a gun now. Captain America with a gun?!' You know, it should stick in your mind that that's something."

Quote from: Brubaker"I'm not worried about it that much because the costume design looks so cool I figure everybody [will] love it, but I'm sure that there'll be people who are furious about it."

So, not only are we still stuck with the "every thought & reaction is valid", but we're also getting "I love it, so everyone else will, too!"?  How blind, ignorant, and arrogant is that?

Quote from: Brubaker"You know, nobody's really complained about it, but after nine months I think people will be glad to have at least somebody running around in a Captain America costume in the book.

So, in essence, we should just be happy with what we get, and not make waves.......or they'll just take him away again.  <_<

Quote from: Alex Ross"This is not your father's Captain America, so to speak. It's a more brutish interpretation, at this point, for the modern age."

Do you have any idea how *tired* I am of hearing that "this is not your father's _____" garbage?  It has become such a way overused catch-phrase for anything that was successful and been reworked into something almost completely different, just so that it could be "hip" or "current", and usually fails miserably.  And if I understand that second line right, he's saying that the "modern" age is much more brutish than what came before.  I guess the next cool title Marvel will be doing will be Captain Caveman.

gah....*throws up hands in disgust*.......Every day, Marvel gives me more reasons to celebrate that I got out of comics when I did.   :thumbdown:

Not a fan of the chrome but the rest works for me. I find it funny that people automatically called it a Ultimate style costume. To me thats a modern style costume, anything that somewhat utilitarian is a fairly modern costume style that most newer costumes follow.

Bru's been doing a pretty good with the Cap title so I have faith this will work well with what he's doing. To be honest, I didn't agree with killing Steve, but I'm in no hurry at all to see him back. I'm not big on resurrections, unless there's a reasonable out in the story (it was somebody else or a body double do NOT fit under that category). So as long as the Cap title is successful I'm not in any hurry to see Steve return.

Alex Ross designed that monstrosity!?  :huh:  :lol:

I would have expected much better from him. He usually makes fantastic costumes. A swing and a miss here that's for sure!

Whatever...when Steve gets back (in his classic costume)...he'll send this chump running!

Quote from: Podmark on October 11, 2007, 09:25:28 AM
Bucky? Is that you?

Here's a hint! *Bucky transforms into a cannon*

Kind of iffy on the design.  Like GG - um...  belt?  Anytime Steve get's snagged somethings going to pull.  As for the weapon, he better be carrying something like a Desert Eagle or an AMT Automag V, using the .50 Action Express round.  Maybe even have it use vibranium slugs.  After all, how are you going to take down Juggernaut with something smaller?  The knife is a good idea, a decent commando knife is infinitely useful, though perhaps a boot sheath would be more appropriate.  Maybe after Cap finds a belt, he could replace the knife with an adamantium billy club or something.  The sheild seems to be right out of place, only thing I could see him doing is using it to pin someone on the ground or against a wall while he dispenses justice with the automag.  Of course being the comics, he'll probably jump in the air, do fifty flips, throw the sheild, shoot the sheild with each bullet defelcting perfectly to hit a bad guy, then catch said sheild just in time to twirl and holster the pistol.

And then when the story line plays out, Death will let Steve find the revolving door...

Quote from: Courtnall6 on October 11, 2007, 03:10:07 PM
Alex Ross designed that monstrosity!?  :huh:  :lol:

I would have expected much better from him. He usually makes fantastic costumes. A swing and a miss here that's for sure!

Whatever...when Steve gets back (in his classic costume)...he'll send this chump running!

Does that mean you won't be skinnin' this version?    :D  Just out of curiosity, of course.   :D

on a side note......has anyone concidered Vance as the NEW Cap?  I have been out of comics for a bit but is Vance not a possible candidate?  the costume is Vance-like.

Quote from: Zivon23 on October 11, 2007, 04:35:25 PM

on a side note......has anyone concidered Vance as the NEW Cap?  I have been out of comics for a bit but is Vance not a possible candidate?  the costume is Vance-like.

Vance as in Vance Astrovik aka Justice? I thought about him as Cap, along with Falcon he was one of my preferred choices for a new Cap (I'm not a big Winter Soldier fan). I actually had a story idea spinning out of Civil War starring the surviving original New Warriors going up against Stark that culminated with Vance taking up Steve's mantle. I had a costume design too. One for Falcon as well.

But that's not him, Vance would never use a gun or knife he's too much of good guy to do so plus he has no need what with his telekinesis.

Quote from: Podmark on October 11, 2007, 04:59:20 PM

Quote from: Zivon23 on October 11, 2007, 04:35:25 PM

on a side note......has anyone concidered Vance as the NEW Cap?  I have been out of comics for a bit but is Vance not a possible candidate?  the costume is Vance-like.

But that's not him, Vance would never use a gun or knife he's too much of good guy to do so plus he has no need what with his telekinesis.

Picture this.....Vance was Cap's Biggest fan.......Cap dies......Now Vance has no one to look up too.....he goes 'Dark'.  The Gun and knife are just props to honour Cap's memory.  Since the US is at war...they would fit the soldier persona......Future Vance wore a similiar costume.... as Major Victory.  What is to say the Future Vance didn't call on a memory for the design.........?

Quote from: Glitch Girl on October 11, 2007, 01:12:54 PM

In all honesty, I have not been a big fan of Alex Ross' original costume designs.  There's something about the line of them that I often find unflattering.  It's... hard to explain, but it's just in the way they're put together that just never works for me even if the overal concept feels sound.  This is another one of those cases.

Ah, and here I thought it was just me. From my perspective, I think the problem (if it can be called that) is that Ross' designs harken back to the garish (for lack of a better term) style of the Golden and Silver Age comics, but he renders them in his distinctly "realistic," on-model style, which makes for quite an odd fit. Many of the classic Silver Age and Golden Age costumes were designed with little concern for practicality or how they would look like if worn by an actual human being, many were created with a very simple thought-process in mind: it looked good in the context of comics art at the time.

When rendered "realistically" by Ross, many of these superheroes end up looking like costumed fans who just walked out of a comic book convention. Superman cuts a powerful and imposing figure in the comics, but a real person wearing a Superman costume, even one with an athlete's build, is invariably still going to look like a weirdo who wears his underwear on the wrong side of his pants.   

Quote from: Zivon23 on October 11, 2007, 05:11:43 PM

Quote from: Podmark on October 11, 2007, 04:59:20 PM

Quote from: Zivon23 on October 11, 2007, 04:35:25 PM

on a side note......has anyone concidered Vance as the NEW Cap?  I have been out of comics for a bit but is Vance not a possible candidate?  the costume is Vance-like.

But that's not him, Vance would never use a gun or knife he's too much of good guy to do so plus he has no need what with his telekinesis.

Picture this.....Vance was Cap's Biggest fan.......Cap dies......Now Vance has no one to look up too.....he goes 'Dark'.  The Gun and knife are just props to honour Cap's memory.  Since the US is at war...they would fit the soldier persona......Future Vance wore a similiar costume.... as Major Victory.  What is to say the Future Vance didn't call on a memory for the design.........?

If anything would have truned Vance dark it would have been the death of the New Warriors at the start of Civil War or maybe the collapse of his engagement to Firestar, but he's fine in Avengers the Initiative as far as I'm aware.

That's not Vance, I'm positive of it. I'll eat my hat if it's not Bucky. I think Vance could make a decent Cap, but he's too far removed from the mainstream and creates too much of a different dynamic with his powers.

Quote from: zuludelta on October 11, 2007, 05:24:02 PM

Quote from: Glitch Girl on October 11, 2007, 01:12:54 PM

In all honesty, I have not been a big fan of Alex Ross' original costume designs.  There's something about the line of them that I often find unflattering.  It's... hard to explain, but it's just in the way they're put together that just never works for me even if the overal concept feels sound.  This is another one of those cases.

Ah, and here I thought it was just me. From my perspective, I think the problem (if it can be called that) is that Ross' designs harken back to the garish (for lack of a better term) style of the Golden and Silver Age comics, but he renders them in his distinctly "realistic," on-model style, which makes for quite an odd fit. Many of the classic Silver Age and Golden Age costumes were designed with little concern for practicality or how they would look like if worn by an actual human being, many were created with a very simple thought-process in mind: it looked good in the context of comics art at the time.

When rendered "realistically" by Ross, many of these superheroes end up looking like costumed fans who just walked out of a comic book convention. Superman cuts a powerful and imposing figure in the comics, but a real person wearing a Superman costume, even one with an athlete's build, is invariably still going to look like a weirdo who wears his underwear on the wrong side of his pants.   

You may have a point with original designs ZD, but I really love his realistic renderings of characters.  I think Superman never looks more imposing and heroic than when depicted by Ross.

Quote from: BlueBard on October 11, 2007, 12:10:44 PM
Y'know, I'm okay with it.

At least Ross was thinking about the character when he did the design.  I don't mind that it hearkens back to old-timer Cap in a way and the reflective armor looks kinda cool.

It's rather sad that an artist spends more time thinking about the character's history than the writers do...

Just out of curiosity, are you reading Cap?  Bru has been doing a terrific job with it; I'm wondering why you think he doesn't respect the character's history.

I've got the same feelings as Zulu about most of Ross's art. I'd never go out of my way to get a book done by him. Not my thing.

Captain America is one of my favorite comics. In fact, its the ONLY Marvel title I have in my subscription box at my local comics shop (which is actually a Sci-Fi City store in a mall here).

I do NOT like the costume design, but if its Bucky in the suit, I'll probably keep reading. However, if they pull some bs and do something like having USAgent suited up as Cap again (and I don't consider USAgent "Captain America #whatever", but an imposter), I'll drop the comic so fast it'll make heads spin.

Alex Ross mostly sucks at costume re-designs, quite frankly. I did like his un-used Spider-Man redesign for the movie and one of his Wolverine re-designs, but that's about it. Some of his Kingdom Come designs were also pretty good, but I am talking for original characters in that case. I can't think of a single hero re-design in Kingdom Come I liked that wasn't more or less a minor change (ie, the new Superman logo).

No... no... no... no!!!

Please dont let the new movie follow this crap.

Someone needs to so burn in hell for this.

RTT