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Started by Outcast, September 16, 2007, 12:53:47 AM

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zuludelta

You forgot the 1966 Iron Man cartoons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Ur4ncFvfM

There was also a Namor the Sub-Mariner cartoon from the same era, but I couldn't find any YouTube clips (must not be that popular).

Also, that Superman video you linked to is indeed the first mainstream animated Superman, originally shown in theaters during the 1940s. The excellent animation is due to the fact that it was created by Max Fleischer, the guy who invented the rotoscope (basically a device that allows animators to draw over live-action film footage frame-by-frame). What makes Fleischer's rotoscoped cartoons look better than many other films that used the same technique is that Fleischer wasn't content to simply trace over the actual figures, he exaggerated movements and proportions, making them less realistic and more "cartoony".

stumpy

Quote from: Outcast on September 16, 2007, 12:53:47 AMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU8JdKp5BtI First Superman cartoon? Didn't watch this one.  ^_^

Interesting stuff. I have a DVD of Superman cartoons from this era (they were like $2 on the rack).

I thought even the golden age Superman was raised by the rural couple who found him. But, the intro makes it sound as though Kal-El landed on Earth and then a "passing motorist" drops off the infant at an orphanage where he grew up. I guess, in the nineteen teens and twenties, if you find an infant in a space ship by the side of the road, you just take him to an orphanage and go on with your day.

BTW, the end of that clip with the shot of the newspaper story was kind of funny. There is the "SUPERMAN CAPTURES MAD SCIENTIST" headline above a clear picture of the baddy in a jail cell whose helpful caption reads "MAD SCIENTIST IN CELL".  :lol:

Outcast

Quote from: zuludelta on September 16, 2007, 09:20:53 PM
You forgot the 1966 Iron Man cartoons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Ur4ncFvfM

There was also a Namor the Sub-Mariner cartoon from the same era, but I couldn't find any YouTube clips (must not be that popular).


Yeah, thanks! I forgot they also did shellhead and Namor. Namor wasn't really that popular with me though. I don't know. Didn't liked his choice of costume i guess. :P

Quote from: zuludelta on September 16, 2007, 09:20:53 PM
Also, that Superman video you linked to is indeed the first mainstream animated Superman, originally shown in theaters during the 1940s. The excellent animation is due to the fact that it was created by Max Fleischer, the guy who invented the rotoscope (basically a device that allows animators to draw over live-action film footage frame-by-frame). What makes Fleischer's rotoscoped cartoons look better than many other films that used the same technique is that Fleischer wasn't content to simply trace over the actual figures, he exaggerated movements and proportions, making them less realistic and more "cartoony".

Yes, thought it was too "cartoony". I don't know, the art reminds me of an old Road Runner cartoon,or an old Mickey Mouse cartoon. I kinda like the 1960's version better.

Quote from: stumpy on September 16, 2007, 09:59:59 PM
Interesting stuff. I have a DVD of Superman cartoons from this era (they were like $2 on the rack).

Really? How many episodes did it reach? For a classic, I thought it would have earned a higher market value than just $2. ^_^

stumpy

Quote from: Outcast on September 17, 2007, 09:15:27 AM
Quote from: stumpy on September 16, 2007, 09:59:59 PM
Interesting stuff. I have a DVD of Superman cartoons from this era (they were like $2 on the rack).

Really? How many episodes did it reach? For a classic, I thought it would have earned a higher market value than just $2. ^_^

I am pretty sure it was in the sale rack at the time I got it. I know it wasn't something I had set out to find. It was such a great deal for 8 Fleischer cartoons.

Anyway, this is what I got. It looks like it is still quite a bargain, maybe more so now.

YoungHeros


Panther_Gunn

The 14-disc, Superman Ultimate Collector's Edition included all of the 1940's Paramount Superman cartoons, 17 in all.  The first nine were, indeed, Max Fleischer cartoons.  The second set of eight, which is what Stumpy got, were credited to Famous Studios (as opposed to Fleischer Studios), and the opening credits changed from "Paramount presents, A Max Fleischer cartoon, Superman ... (all the little title stuff at the bottom)", to just "Paramount presents, Superman ... (all the little title stuff at the bottom)".  Although it was done in the exact same style, I'm unable to tell (without sitting down & seriously listening to all the episodes) whether Bud Collier (the radio & cartoon voice of Superman) is still doing the voice acting in the second set or not, and whether the Fleischers had anything to do at all with it anymore.  But, when talking about them as a whole, Max still gets the credit for all of them, with no distinction made between the two studios, even in the on-disc special, The Fleischer Superman Series (they showed clips from the Famous Studios stuff, as well as the Fleischers').  I know *I'm* confused.  :wacko:

BentonGrey

Man, that Fleischer Superman is so freakin' amazing.......they are just PURE Super goodness.

catwhowalksbyhimself

QuoteI thought even the golden age Superman was raised by the rural couple who found him. But, the intro makes it sound as though Kal-El landed on Earth and then a "passing motorist" drops off the infant at an orphanage where he grew up.

I thought all Superman fans realized that the golden age Superman grew up in an orphanage. . .

He didn't have parents until some time later.

Also notice that in this version of Krypton, the whole planet was full of supermen, as opposed to gaining powers under a yellow sun.

This identifies it as a slightly later version, as the first explanation was that Krypton just had higher gravity, and Superman at that time could not fly.

stumpy

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on September 17, 2007, 03:57:56 PM
QuoteI thought even the golden age Superman was raised by the rural couple who found him. But, the intro makes it sound as though Kal-El landed on Earth and then a "passing motorist" drops off the infant at an orphanage where he grew up.

I thought all Superman fans realized that the golden age Superman grew up in an orphanage. . .

Actually, while some of the earliest origins didn't say how he spent his youth, by at least 1939 (before the Fleisher cartoons), Siegel and Shuster had shown the child being adopted from the orphanage by the Kents.

It is well known that the early stories showed Kryptonians as super-powered, even on Krypton. I am not sure when, but the evolution from super-powered-alien-comes-to-Earth to alien-comes-to-Earth-and-gains-super-powers is a little later. Originally, it was Earth's lower gravity that gave him powers, and then the yellow sun was added to the mix, later coming to dominate the explanations for Kal's powers.

Panther_Gunn

Actually, what gives Superman the ability to fly is.....Max Fleischer!  After making the first cartoon, they realized that while sounding cool when reading in a comic or hearing it on the radio, being able to make super-leaps like that just looks kinda goofy (pre-Hulk, of course  ;)).  The people at the Fleischer Studios went back to the DC people and asked if they could just have him fly.  DC's response was pretty much, "eh, Ok, sure, why not."  They made it happen in the comics concurrently, and there you have it.  Scientific explanations be damned!  :D

Uncle Yuan

I also recall reading somewhere that when first named, the Kents were Sarah and Eben.  Don't ask me why I can remember those, but I'm fairly certain those are correct.  There was another set of names (or mixture) before they settled on Jonathan and Martha.