[spoiler]One big plot hole that occured to me yesterday, while I was thinking about the fact that's it's strongly indicated in the series in many ways that no two people have the same power (unless they aquired it from someone else, and even then they will have different ways of doing so), which in itself raises a lot of questions- Linderman indicated that he had manipulated LP and Niki into getting together just so someone with Micah's power would be born. But Peter and Nathan, who share the same parents, have different powers. So, having specific parents can't possibly lead directly to a specific power- the exact way the two parents' genes combine would have to have something to do with it, too, and there's no way Linderman could have controlled that (unless he had someone working with him who had the power to somehow control human reproduction in others to an incredible degree).[/spoiler]

Alaric, keep in mind that:

[spoiler]Mr. Linderman's been collecting paintings and other things from specials who can predict the future for a LONG time.  And it Isaac was far from the only one whose things he's been collecting.  It's likely he know from one of them about Micah.[/spoiler]

EDIT: [spoiler]about the sword training scene, episode director Beeman had this to say:

QuoteI remember the only scene that worried me was the one where Kaito trains Hiro to be a swordsman. I was worried that it would seem foolish that Hiro learned so much in just a few hours. Nobody else was worried about this; they told me that as long as it came of magical it would be fine. Still I worried about it.

He went on to say, however, that the actor who plays Hiro really did learn sword fighting for the scene that quickly.  His stunt double wasn't even needed.
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Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 15, 2007, 04:46:10 PM
When Matt and Audrey first show up at the first Sylar murder scene where Matt rescues Molly Walker, they find her father frozen solid, with his head cut open.

Either he had the cold powers already, or Mr. Walker had them.  We know he had to have some kind of power or Sylar wouldn't have done the head thing to him, and we don't know of any other power whose source is unaccounted for, so, although it might not be so, it seems likely that Mr. Walker had cold powers.

Mr. Walker was found frozen solid in the middle of eating his cereal, still holding his spoon.  There's no way he froze himself in that position.  Sylar must have gotten the ice power from someone else.

Quote from: Alaric on May 16, 2007, 05:04:06 AM
[spoiler]One big plot hole that occured to me yesterday, while I was thinking about the fact that's it's strongly indicated in the series in many ways that no two people have the same power (unless they aquired it from someone else, and even then they will have different ways of doing so), which in itself raises a lot of questions- Linderman indicated that he had manipulated LP and Niki into getting together just so someone with Micah's power would be born. But Peter and Nathan, who share the same parents, have different powers. So, having specific parents can't possibly lead directly to a specific power- the exact way the two parents' genes combine would have to have something to do with it, too, and there's no way Linderman could have controlled that (unless he had someone working with him who had the power to somehow control human reproduction in others to an incredible degree).[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I think that Angela Petrelli has the ability to dream the future.  It's not like Isaac's power, where he sees literal events, but it's more metaphorical.  The reason I believe this is because Peter has this ability and it's not explained how or why he has it.  Angela probably had a vision of DL and Niki and the child they could conceive together and how it fit in with their (Linderman and co.) plans.[/spoiler]

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 16, 2007, 04:57:24 AM
[spoiler]The way Ando behaved in this episode would seem to contradict that.  He was very much opposed to Hiro having anything to do with his father and ran off to complete Hiro's mission on his own rather than let Mr. Nakamura influence him.[/spoiler]

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A) Ando might not have known that Mr. Nakamura was ok with what Hiro was doing. Its very possible he was  only told: "Here's money. Keep an eye on Hiro - let me know if he gets in trouble."  Theres no reason to think Sulu told him the whole story, after all.

B) Given that, plus the future he visited and the comic book he saw, its very possible he just lozst it and ran off to try and save his own butt.
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Quote from: Alaric on May 16, 2007, 05:04:06 AM
[spoiler]One big plot hole that occured to me yesterday, while I was thinking about the fact that's it's strongly indicated in the series in many ways that no two people have the same power (unless they aquired it from someone else, and even then they will have different ways of doing so), which in itself raises a lot of questions- Linderman indicated that he had manipulated LP and Niki into getting together just so someone with Micah's power would be born. But Peter and Nathan, who share the same parents, have different powers. So, having specific parents can't possibly lead directly to a specific power- the exact way the two parents' genes combine would have to have something to do with it, too, and there's no way Linderman could have controlled that (unless he had someone working with him who had the power to somehow control human reproduction in others to an incredible degree).[/spoiler]

[spoiler]One of the theories I've read is that Petrelli Sr had the ability to control probability (based on one of the comics on the NBC site). If he does, and remembering that he used to work with Linderman, it means he could have influenced matters so Micah got technopathy.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]A scene thats really stuck in my mind most of today...after Ando ran off, he was walking and looking at the comic book, like he was reading it step by step to get to the next part. Um...wouldn't it be smarter just to skip a couple of pages, see where he dies, and avoid that place like the plague? Or, you know, skip ahead to the bit where he can find out whats going on? :huh:

EDIT: While my sleep-addled mind can still function...where was Nathans wife in the future, and did he get to reveal this 'miracle'? Did Sylar kill her when he took Nathans life (literally)?[/spoiler]

one of the parts that none have mentioned is the great "sword Guy" Mr Claremont.... played by.... Mr Claremont... yes.. that Claremont.. still drooling

Another note... they already said that hiro studied kendo before... so this was more for him to gain confidence, not to learn from scratch, remember he said he dreamed of becoming a kendo master (future hiro and ando talking)

Sorry, but you're wrong their.  Future Hiro had studied kendo, but I'm pretty sure that the present one has not.

ando tells future hiro that he always wanted to become a kendo master..... and ando is dead in teh future, so we can asume that they talked about this in the present.. with present hiro

maybe wrong, but i think it is very possible

just watching the scene again and again now...

Quote from: The_Baroness on May 16, 2007, 05:14:23 PM
one of the parts that none have mentioned is the great "sword Guy" Mr Claremont.... played by.... Mr Claremont... yes.. that Claremont.. still drooling

Another note... they already said that hiro studied kendo before... so this was more for him to gain confidence, not to learn from scratch, remember he said he dreamed of becoming a kendo master (future hiro and ando talking)

I knew it was going to be somebody special and then when I saw the dude I thought "oh, ok, central casting... my mistake". I guess I was wrong, hahaha.

Quoteando tells future hiro that he always wanted to become a kendo master..... and ando is dead in teh future, so we can asume that they talked about this in the present.. with present hiro

So, I've always wanted to be a famous writer.  That doesn't mean I've been published.

In other words, Hiro has not studied Kendo, he's just always wanted to.  Not the same thing at all.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 16, 2007, 06:06:22 PM

Quoteando tells future hiro that he always wanted to become a kendo master..... and ando is dead in teh future, so we can asume that they talked about this in the present.. with present hiro

So, I've always wanted to be a famous writer.  That doesn't mean I've been published.

In other words, Hiro has not studied Kendo, he's just always wanted to.  Not the same thing at all.

Not quite the same. More like if I said I wanted to become a soccer champion, and I spent a portion of my youth learning all the techniques and playing in leagues/tournaments etc, but then never did anything after that. Lots of young Japanese males learn kendo.

Season One of Heroes has ended!  It's been an interesting ride...

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I'm just going to talk about the ending, since it's so fresh in my mind, but, while I'm glad Sylar went down to Hiro like a punk, I'm ticked that he didn't die.  I mean, a Hiro vs. anybody fight isn't really fair, plus the random super-strength beatdown from Niki.  Just, enough with Sylar already.  Let him bleed out in the sewer. 

Nathan's self-sacrifice was interesting - would Peter survive?  In half an hour, is he going to go splat in that square in New York?

Also, Hiro's jump to prevent self-injury apparently lacked the self-control he's developed, but he did get to see one of his heroes in person, and apparently witness the eclipse that features so prominently in all of Heroes promotional material.  Is it the source of their powers?  If it is, its much earlier than I expected, and I suspect that'll be a focus of next season.
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Of course there's also a reference by Molly to a new threat:

[spoiler]An evil far above Sylar that can apparently see Molly whenever she sees it.  Possibly that mysterious monstrous entity that shows up in a few of Isaac's pictures and in other Heroes art.[/spoiler]

Great episode all around. Yay for Hiro, Yay for Nathan, Yay for Niki! Cute bit at the end with Hiro swearing in Japanese and the subtitle being censored comic style.

Well, I deffinetly thought it was a good episode, but am I the only one who was a little disappointed?  I mean, lots of great stuff, but the ending let me down a bit.

[spoiler]Most of it was great, I loved Nathan's return, I knew he was going to redem himself, so cool.  I liked Hiro stabbing Sylar, but I agree with Talavar, I rather wish he'd actually been killed.  It's funny, when he stabbed him, I said outloud "cut his head off, or he's not dead."  Surprise surprise, he slunk away.  Anyway, what really let me down was the Peter/Sylar fight.  Peter did jack...he didn't use his powers AT ALL.  He's got invisibility, telekinesis, time control, flight, radiation, and even super strength to draw from (after Nikki shows up).  Instead, he stands there like a punk while Sylar rides roughshod over him....AGAIN!  He wasn't caught off guard this time, he's had a bit more time to get control of his powers, I REALLY wanted to see a halfway decent fight.  The bit with Nikki was nice, but I'd have rather seen Peter do it, since he kept being built up into a hero who would save the world.  What precisely did he do?  Really?  Kill Sylar?  Nope.  Stop the bomb?  Nadda, Nathan takes the credit there.  So....the big build up to their fight and we get....Nathan throwing a handful of punches....wow....I'm so impressed. :angry:  Am I the only one who feels this way?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I totally freakin' called the ending on that one!   :thumbup:

By the way, Nathan may not be dead.  He may have been able to get him far enough away and then go his own way.  Oh well, wait for the producers to confirm it.
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Quote from: BentonGrey on May 21, 2007, 07:27:04 PM
Well, I deffinetly thought it was a good episode, but am I the only one who was a little disappointed?  I mean, lots of great stuff, but the ending let me down a bit.

[spoiler]Most of it was great, I loved Nathan's return, I knew he was going to redem himself, so cool.  I liked Hiro stabbing Sylar, but I agree with Talavar, I rather wish he'd actually been killed.  It's funny, when he stabbed him, I said outloud "cut his head off, or he's not dead."  Surprise surprise, he slunk away.  Anyway, what really let me down was the Peter/Sylar fight.  Peter did jack...he didn't use his powers AT ALL.  He's got invisibility, telekinesis, time control, flight, radiation, and even super strength to draw from (after Nikki shows up).  Instead, he stands there like a punk while Sylar rides roughshod over him....AGAIN!  He wasn't caught off guard this time, he's had a bit more time to get control of his powers, I REALLY wanted to see a halfway decent fight.  The bit with Nikki was nice, but I'd have rather seen Peter do it, since he kept being built up into a hero who would save the world.  What precisely did he do?  Really?  Kill Sylar?  Nope.  Stop the bomb?  Nadda, Nathan takes the credit there.  So....the big build up to their fight and we get....Nathan throwing a handful of punches....wow....I'm so impressed. :angry:  Am I the only one who feels this way?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I'm beginning to think that crazy awesome superhero fights weren't in their budget this season.  Maybe next season.

Also, it was really cool when Molly and Micah were together.  I really hope we see the two of them more as their powers develop more.
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Wow.  That was really cool.  At the same time, it was a little underwhelming.  It really didn't resolve much or give many answers.  But that's how season finales work, I guess.

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Finally we get a substantial Peter vs. Sylar fight!  That last fight scene was so cool.  Peter also didn't dominate the fight, which is great.  The show shouldn't just be about him.  But, like others, I really wish Sylar had died.  He just doesn't have much dramatic potential left.  Hopefully the writers will come up with something halfway decent for next season.

Hiro was awesome.  From going to save Ando, to teleporting him to Japan and Ando's "You look hardcase" comment, to stabbing Sylar but then getting sent back to Feudal Japan.  And of course, swearing in Japanese.

Niki was awesome too.  She's finally independent of Jessica, and in complete control of her powers. 

Nathan was amazing.  I was kind of expecting what he did, but they really pulled it off.
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Wow, great finale!! Just a few high points for me:

- Mr. Duveau was part of the old "Super Team," which also included Mr. and Mrs. Petrelli, Linderman, and Mr. Nakamura! Awesome tie- in.

- Peter now has Super Strength. Cool. Do you think he was close enough to DL, Micah, and Molly to get their powers too? Nah, neither do I.

- I also hope Sylar bleeds out in the sewer, but I doubt it.

- I bet Nate died, but Pete lived. Just guessing.

- Noah Bennett?!? Wasn't expecting that one.

- Molly and Micah could make an easy system to find every "Super" now! YES!

- No more Jessica! Now Niki's storyline might make sense!

Can't wait for Season 2!
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[spoiler]I called the ending about two episodes ago, too.  I knew Nathan would redeem himself by flying Peter away.. it was the way the show started, after all.

Did anybody notice the cockroach crawling on the manhole cover at the end?  Another reference to the first episode, where Mohinder lectures that cockroaches are the most powerful creatures/God's image..

I liked Molly and Micah bonding as well!  Really cool

Poor Matt Parkman!   :(  I hope he's ok.  What was he thinking?? I guess he didn't know how dangerous Sylar was. 

I cheered out loud when Nikki glared at Sylar like she was gonna smack him down.  Then when I saw the parking meter coming loose, I thought she'd catch it and just wail on Sylar with it (*weild* Freedom Force-style) But still, that was awesome.. was this the first time Nikki and Peter met?  In the now "true" timeline?   

I'm glad DL is okay!  I guess it means Peter and Nikki may not end up together like in teh alternate future.

It was a great fight scene.  I think there was just enough of Peter smacking Sylar around without it becoming solely about the fight.  Any more and it might have lost its impact. 

Hiro showing up at just the right moment was awesome.

So.. does anyone know what Mrs. Petrelli's power is?  And why when we first meet her, she's just been bailed out of jail for shoplifting?  Was it really so she could "feel alive" again?[/spoiler]

 :doh:

I completely forgot this was on!  :banghead:

What I liked:

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Pretty much everything with Hiro, HRG and Claire.  Highlights were: "I already have a family", regarding in rousing cheers from me as Claire threw herself out the window, picked up and ran off.

"Tell me you have a plan." and HRG (btw. Noah?  Any significance there?) on the spot coming up with a revised plan. Kudos to Jack Coleman for taking a character I was sure I was going to hate and turning him into my second favorite character on the show.

Molly. While I'm not too sure about Mohinders sister issues, the actress was amazing, and I hope we see more of her next season.

Jessica realizing Niki doesn't need her anymore and letting go. (Still wouldve prefered a merge into a new third personality, tho)

And of course, as usual Hiro was near perfect: From facing down Sulu, to trickiing Sylar (minor question: How, exactly, did Sylar know Hiro can bend time?  It seems an odd assumption to make on the basis of the last episode.) to ramming the sword through Sylar's chest (which also evicted hearty cheers).

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What I didn't like:
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Richard Roundtrees bland and sappy speeches about how "all the world needs is hope" and how Peter is a true hero because he can love unconditionally. Gag. That scene served no discernable purpose; combine that with the nausea inducing speechifying and it should never have stayed in.

Like everyone else, I am less than thrilled that Sylar survived (liked the cockroach on the manhole cover though- that was a nice touch).  I canot imagine any storyarc for him next season that would not be a) degeenrativley cheesy or b) a warmed over rehash of his storyline from this season. It wouldve been a much more fitting ending for him to have bled out on the plaza.

I am also less than thrilled with the anvilicious foreshadowing of a new villan even worse than Sylar, though the actess who plays Molly sold it very well- her delivery of "When I think about him- he can SEE ME" gave me shivers (btw, how did she find out about him in the first place, then?  She has to think about someone to know where they are, after all).

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Misc:
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Its going to be a very fine line next season with Hiro- having him meet his Idol is fine- having him become the guy is cheesy and I really hope they dont go there.

Mrs. bredon pointed out that since in the timeline Hiro visited Peter was the bomb and was fine, its safe to assume that exploding doesn't kill him this time, either.  Which leaves the questions of :" Will he wake up as he falls back to Earth in time to fly away? or is Claire's power strong enough to repair both rentry damage and the impact of a 50000+ foot fall? "(nathan, on the other hand is toast. Goodbye, nathan- you switched sides so many times you gave me whiplash, but in the end, you turned out ok)

Why did Candace claim she was obese as her real form, when after Niki punches her lights out (yay!) she clearly goes back to being hot?

Why are people being stupid and thinking they who have no powers or powers of limited use think they can stop a super-powered serial killer? I'd give Parkman/Ando the new title of "dumbest smart person on the show", cept I never thought either of them was that smart ot begin with.

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Still. Loved the finale, love the show. Anxiously awaiting the Season 1 DVD :)

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I guess I'm the only one who didn't like Molly and Micah.  My thought when they had their little back and forth about the elevator was, "Oh great, adventures of the super-kids."

Are we sure Mrs. Petrelli has powers?  Couldn't she just be fulfilling her husband's role in Linderman's organization, since he told her about it?

I can understand the writers wanting to take Hiro out of action for awhile, but I hope they don't leave him in the past for too long.  He's my favourite character, but also, now that he seems to be in control of his powers - except maybe for emergency jumps - he should be able to come back to the present fairly easily.

Matt Parkman, while I hope his character makes it, was really dumb.  He's shot Sylar before, to no effect, and thinks that this time it'll do the trick, when Sylar's only more powerful?  Dumb. 

I was also a little let-down by the Peter-Sylar fight, since Peter didn't really use any powers, except possible Nikki's super-strength for those punches - they looked like they stung.  Nikki and Hiro really beat him, both by coming out of left field. 
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My thoughts about the episode:

A couple things I really liked:

[spoiler]Jessica gone and Nikki having her super-strength. Frankly, I was hoping they'd either do that or have Nikki and Jessica both get killed off, as I think the split-personality thing had pretty much run its course and was the most contrived gimmick of all the heroes.

DL not being killed off. I've grown to like DL, and he's got one of the best powers.[/spoiler]

A few thing I didn't like:

[spoiler]We don't know if Matt, Nathan or Peter are dead or not. I'm kind of hoping Nathan is but Matt and Peter aren't.

Sylar stopping Matt's bullets and hurling him back at him. I mentioned this to FN while playing CoH, and he pointed out that Sylar has super-hearing, so he could have very well started to react as soon as he heard Matt pull the trigger. This is the only thing that makes sense, because otherwise nothing short of super-speed would explain how he reacted fast enough to stop the bullets considering his back was turned when Matt fired the gun.

Sylar possibly surviving. I think its a big mistake, as I think he's going to go from being an interesting villain to this season to a character people are going to get quickly sick of last season. And since it looked like Hiro did get him through the heart and blade of the sword came out his back, the only way I can think of him surviving is that he got to Linderman and there was enough of his brain left for Sylar to gain his powers and he healed himself enough to crawl away but was too weak to heal himself fully.

The end fight sucked. It would have been better if there had been more teamwork amongst the characters and they had teamed up to beat Sylar instead of it being as random as it was. That's the ONLY reason I wouldn't mind seeing Sylar survive: for the heroes to team up and beat the snot out of him and finish him off for good next time.[/spoiler]

:( no more Heroes til next season...

[spoiler]Finale was pretty good, not quite as epic as I thought it'd be, but I was still impressed. I was disappointed that Peter did turn out to be the bomb, I didnt really understand why he couldn't control it. I liked Nathan's appearance at the end though. I wonder if they survived, Peter should.

Love Hiro, him and Ando every thing they do is just fantastic and makes me smile.

I'm glad there wasn't a huge death toll in this one. DL looks like he survived, he's one of my favorites. Never liked Nikki but she was pretty cool in this one. I hope the creators have a good idea of what to do next with Sylar, otherwise they should have just let him die.

Thats all, just wanted to say a few things.

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I think it would be cool if they kept Sylar off for a season, only to have him emerge as the new leader of the Company in season 3.

Honestly, it was hit and miss with me.

[spoiler]I liked a lot of it.  It had a lot of good moments, but there are parts that I still don't understand.  Let me explain... or question rather.

Can someone tell me what happen to Molly?  At the beginning when something was wrong with her?  How was she able to be okay to get out of bed and run out of a building as if nothing was wrong in the first place?

Can someone explain to my why is Sylar fast enough to stop bullets like God from heaven, but Hiro coming at him with a sword he can't stop?  I know Hiro can stop time, but I hardly believe he did it then.  Speaking of which...

I see I'm not the only one a bit letdown by the final fight.  Unlike others who were simply letdown, I thought it was a bit dorky.  It started off promising...  frankly, I think everyone would have loved to have seen something along the scale of their battle 5 years later.  I mean, I see the two of them there and then Nikki shows up and smacks him with a meter.  At that moment, I thought we were going to see somre grand-scale team fight, Claire, Peter, Nikki, even DL and Parkman directing from the side. But none of that.  Hiro just shows up and stabs him.  Nothing dramatic.

One other thing I wondered about was why didn't Peter just fly away his damn self?  Why would it be up to Nathan?  Peter can fly.  He didn't need Nathan to detonate the bomb in the sky.

And why was Peter able to control Ted's powers last week, but now?

As for next season?  I'm extremely confident Nathan, Peter, DL and Parkaman will all be back.  Contractual reasons.  I still don't think Linderman's out of the picture.  I'm sure, as we already know Sylar won't be the main villain next season either.  In fact, we may see him transformed to the main villian's muscle.  It's gonna be interesting to see where they take it.  I'm sure their lives won't go back to any sort of normalcy.  They're all now connected and now they all know...  I'm confident we'll get backstories of Mr. Devereau, "Dallas" Petrelli, Mom Petrelli, Linderman and Kaito Nakumura and how they relate and what happened.  It's gonna be interesting to see.[/spoiler]

And man does Tawny Cypruss have some lush and beautiful lips.

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One other thing I wondered about was why didn't Peter just fly away his damn self?  Why would it be up to Nathan?  Peter can fly.  He didn't need Nathan to detonate the bomb in the sky.

And why was Peter able to control Ted's powers last week, but now?

I agree.

I originally picked Nathan flying Sylar away to detonate in the sky. I liked my ending better.