Hi everyone,
Is there a skin and/or mesh for Duke?
Thanks in advance.
its possible to make one
no theres no duke nukem i think
Well, that'll be great! :)
I'm working now in some new maps and also trying to finish a mod (Gotham Nights). It's taking me time 'cause I had to recode all the missions again, but I think now I'm on the right track...
I'm saying this because I was thinking about a mod based on Duke but first I'm checking how much work would it take: meshes, skins, etc. I also want to know if there is any interest or support for this idea because I can't mesh or skin, but I can code and map... so I couldn't do it all by myself.
So if anybody is interested in skinning or meshing something for this project, please let me know and we can talk about it!
well duke nukem is an easy skope though... i'll give it a try, if i have time... :thumbup:
Try skoping the solid_snake mesh.
I gave it a try, If you want it pm me your e-mail.
Sent to lmalonsof@yahoo.es :D
Uuuuuaaaaauuuuuuuh!
Give me one minute to put together some ideas and the pic of what you sent me...
What happened?
Are you happy?
Or are you sad?
No, no, that's great!
one minute more, please!
I'm hexing other parts to make it look like the real duke nukem.
Give me a minute or two.
I was trying to paste the pic but I can't.
Anyway, the mesh looks great. As you said it needs a skin, but tha's a great beginning. Absolutely.
Duke sometimes wear a Jetpack. Is it possible to include it for flight animations?
In ranged animations, could it be possible to include (in the same way as for the jetpack) more weapons, like the RPG?
Anyway thanks for your interest and your work. It's superb!
I'm sending you a hex of Nick_Fury_Gren Mesh.
Skin needed too.
Thanks, for liking my hex. :D
Ok, a few things:
Jetpack added but M16 lost... a pity!
I like very much the animation walk_1, it fits with Duke. Could it be used to run?
A silly thing... I prefer the hair (head) of the first one rather than the hair of the one of the jetpack, what do you think?
Sure, I'll edit the keys for you. :D
Give me a minute.
Sent!
This is for the jet pack one.
Just sent another duke.
I'll try the one with glasses like this. :cool:
Let me show the community your work
:thumbup:
(http://imgnation.net/images/vato.jpg)
Currently trying to skin this:
(http://www.bluesnews.com/miscimages/dukebig.jpg)
Note: I will remove extras. ^_^
just a WIP on the Duke... :P
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/kitbasherFF/duke.jpg)
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/kitbasherFF/nukem.jpg)
comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated... :thumbup:
Thats a great skin for Duke Nukem! Kaede. Got it right in almost every detail :thumbup: Love the various weapons. Is there are skin with no sunglasses? :P Maybe an army sort of attire would also be nice. :cool:
Cool. :cool:
Are you finishing it any time soon?
Just asking but where did you get that bazooka? :D
Quote from: Outcast on August 10, 2007, 09:00:29 PM
Thats a great skin for Duke Nukem! Kaede. Got it right in almost every detail :thumbup: Love the various weapons. Is there are skin with no sunglasses? :P Maybe an army sort of attire would also be nice. :cool:
the sunglasses is not a skin but a part of a mesh itself... what i mean is, that it's a hexxable part of the mesh that i skoped... hehehe... and yeah it can be removed easily by hexxing it... an army attire is nice too, i only referenced this skin from the picture given by GGiant... and there are more weapons from this mesh too, but you just have to find that one your self... hehehe...
Is this a solid snake mesh?
Quote from: GGiant on August 11, 2007, 06:02:47 AM
Is this a solid snake mesh?
nope it's not a solid snake mesh... but i did get the catridges of his harness from solid snake mesh though... but that's about it...
Is it finished?
i still need to find a nice jetpack... any of you guys got a copy of that Nick_Fury_Gren mesh? or do you guys have any other better suggestions for the jetpack? coz i would really like to see duke on a jetpack... if you guys have a copy, please send them to newradmercz@gmail.com ... thanks... :thumbup:
Sending it now. :D
ok, then i'll just have to wait till you send the mesh... :thumbup:
I'm having problems.
Since GGiant is having some problems, May i lend a hand? Don't know much about hexxing and stuff Kaede, but I believe i have the nick_fury_gren. Just sent it to your email address. Hope it's the right one. :D
Good luck with the Mesh! :cool:
Sent it already outcast. ;)
did u put a pistol/desert eagle on duke mesh?
Kaede, Please I really want to play with that duke.
Can you inish it and send a copy to:
davythextreme@gmail.com
PLEEAAASSEEE!
:paplease
Quote from: Raijin on August 12, 2007, 10:01:46 PM
did u put a pistol/desert eagle on duke mesh?
well the mesh i skoped with also has a pistol with a scope... but if you guys want a desert eagle, that's doable also... :thumbup:
I just have 1 question.
After you finish this, will you want to share it with other FR members.
Or will you be selfish about it?
Sorry, Just curious because I really want that mesh so bad!
I'm getting crazy about it.:direcub
Does the duke mesh have any parts from meshes created by Texas Jack? (some of the weapons etc. look like they are from his punisher_tj mesh). If they are, and you have used Nifskope to alter or swap pieces of the mesh you probably wont be able to release or distribute it because TJ isn't able to be contacted to give permission for his meshes to be altered in such a way.
Are you sure about this Carravaggio?
I saw TJ's txt file in every mesh and it did not state that you can't hex the mesh. ;)
Speaking of TJ still haven't seen him a while.
Quote from: GGiant on August 13, 2007, 03:23:50 AM
Are you sure about this Carravaggio?
I saw TJ's txt file in every mesh and it did not state that you can't hex the mesh. ;)
Quote from: Carravaggio on August 13, 2007, 02:32:31 AM
If...you have used Nifskope to alter or swap pieces of the mesh you probably wont be able to release or distribute it because TJ isn't able to be contacted to give permission for his meshes to be altered in such a way.
Well, TJ did not put in his txt files that you could not hex the mesh.
And he also did not put in his txt files that you could hex the mesh.
Quote from: GGiant on August 13, 2007, 04:01:44 AM
Well, TJ did not put in his txt files that you could not hex the mesh.
And he also did not put in his txt files that you could hex the mesh.
It has been established that hexing TJ meshes is acceptable. I never said it wasn't.
If you will observe my last post:
Quote from: Carravaggio on August 13, 2007, 03:44:04 AM
Quote from: Carravaggio on August 13, 2007, 02:32:31 AM
If...you have used Nifskope to alter or swap pieces of the mesh you probably wont be able to release or distribute it because TJ isn't able to be contacted to give permission for his meshes to be altered in such a way.
I was saying that you can't release the mesh IF you skoped it. I didn't know if it were skoped or not, I was pointing out IF it were, releasing it is a big no-no.
So, lets have a look at the mesh, shall we?
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/carravaggio/nukem.jpg)
Wow thats some cool cartridges on his harness. i wonder where they came from?
Quote from: Kaede on August 11, 2007, 06:07:58 AM
Quote from: GGiant on August 11, 2007, 06:02:47 AM
Is this a solid snake mesh?
nope it's not a solid snake mesh... but i did get the catridges of his harness from solid snake mesh though... but that's about it...
Huh, so someone has taken parts from a TJ mesh and put it on another mesh.
Wow. that requires nifskope, which means the mesh has been skoped. Now who made the solid snake mesh?
let me check the README file form the solid snake mesh...
Solid_Snake
By: Texas Jack
standard skin by: Zuludelta
************************
So parts have been skoped off of a TJ mesh onto another? then the mesh should not be released.
By the way what mesh is it skoped onto?
that bazooka/grenade launcher looks familiar...
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/carravaggio/Clipboard01-2.jpg)
oh wow, it is from TJ's punisher mesh! so thats two TJ parts. In fact if we look at the belt and other weapons we see on duke with we can assume that the base mesh is in fact TJ's punisher mesh. So we have parts from a TJ mesh skoped onto another TJ mesh.
Also punisher_TJ doesn't have that hair (so far as i know it might be hidden and shown via hexing) but if the hair has bee taken from another mesh and placed on a TJ mesh...yep, skoping again. And where did the sunglasses come from? I don't think they are native to the punisher mesh.
If that duke mesh has any single part skoped onto it from another mesh, even another TJ mesh, the skoper shouldn't release it.
There has been big arguments and lots of conversation to decide that hexing does not = skoping. It's possible that newer members might not be familiar with the difference.
Its possible that somehow they missed all the discussion about this very topic.
Now you know.
Hexing is hiding or revealing parts that already exist on the mesh as the mesher created it. Skoping is taking parts from other meshes and slapping them on someone else's mesh with no regard to what they think about it. Lots of very generous and talented meshers have given us permission to skope their meshes so long as they are given credit, and we are grateful. Some have not, and we respect that. I'm sure all you newer members will respect that too.
Hi everyone,
I don't have time now to read all the messages since my last one, but I'm very glad and quite surprised of all of your work. I'm working now in the DN mod, I've done 4 maps and coded 3 out of 4 missions. I'll give you more info ASAP, but I'll wait for any meshes / skins you may want to add on it.
Thanks to everyone!
yep this was the problem why i still can't release the mesh/skin... but don't worry once TJ is contacted, then i'll distribute it to you all if you want it...
How will you contact him?
Quote from: Carravaggio on August 13, 2007, 05:02:39 AM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/carravaggio/Clipboard01-2.jpg)
thats a pretty cool punisher whered u get it carravagio?
Yeah can you send it to me:
davythextreme@yahoo.com.ph
I'm stuck with other punishers.
Carravaggio, Can I ask you a couple of questions?
First of all, Did TJ let his meshes be skoped?
Second question, If he did then why can't Kaede release it?
Third one, Did TJ ever let his meshes be redistributed?
Fourth, If he did not then why is it here (http://www.newpowerinc.com/zuludeltafiles/)?
Fifth, Is there anyway to contact Texas Jack?
Please use quotes to answer each question.
I hate to break this to you, but that skin is also a kitbash (jeans are from UE's wolverine skin). So even if there wasn't the mesh issue there's the major issue of the skin being a kitbash.
How do you know this? :huh:
It's fairly obvious just by comparing the two skins.
Where is this skin?
So your telling me that Kaede is kitbashing TJ meshes and a wolverine skin? :blink:
P.S I don't get it. :wacko:
Quote from: GGiant on August 13, 2007, 08:25:06 PM
Carravaggio, Can I ask you a couple of questions?
First of all, Did TJ let his meshes be skoped?
You are asking questions that i have already answered. Did you actually read my post?
TJ has not given permission for any of his meshes to be skoped. As i stated above, skoping is not the same thing as hexing. again i explained the different processes above.
We can hex TJ meshes, with the intent or redistributing it as a 'new' character with a skin, but you have to give him credit for the original mesh and essentially separate yourself from any intent of 'ownership' or authority of the work (in this case, the mesh). hexing is dead easy and require only two or three clicks of the mouse, that is not enough work to make any sort of claim of credit. For example, some of the characters i have cvreated and released use meshes from such greats as Renegade and Grenadier (among others). i clearly state in the README file that I make no claim of authorship or effort in relation to the mesh, all i do is hide or unhide the work of other artists.
We CANNOT skope TJ meshes. This has been established MANY times as a general rule respected by all the community. As permission was not explicitly given by TJ, we cannot, under any circumstances ASSUME that we have any right to mesh with his work in this way.
In summation:
Hexing at TJ mesh? Yes, it can be done and released provided you give all due credit and respect the standard protocol for that sort of thing.
Skoping a TJ mesh?: No never, not unti the man himself comes back online to this community and EXPLICITLY states he is ok with it. until that day comes (which may never happen because he is unable to be contacted thus far by anyone from the community) all his meshes and creations are off limits to any sort of skoping or similar manipulation.
Quote from: GGiant on August 13, 2007, 08:25:06 PM
Second question, If he did then why can't Kaede release it?
See above. Meshes made by TJ that have been skoped are not allowed to be distributed
Quote from: GGiant on August 13, 2007, 08:25:06 PM
Third one, Did TJ ever let his meshes be redistributed?
Fourth, If he did not then why is it here (http://www.newpowerinc.com/zuludeltafiles/)?
See above. The meshes ZD distributes are hexed only, not niskoped, and you better believe ZD is the kinda guy that gives due credit. you give credit and you ask permission (and reciecve it) distribution is usually allowed. Kaede has done niether so distribution is not allowed
Quote from: GGiant on August 13, 2007, 08:25:06 PM
Fifth, Is there anyway to contact Texas Jack?
Please use quotes to answer each question.
if there was he would have been able to answer the skoping question. No one has thus far been able to contact him.
I proved multiple times in my last post that the Duke mesh is composed of PARTS of different meshes, which is done via SKOPING. As many of those parts and meshes are those greated by TJ, and skoping TJ stuff is off limits, Kaede CANNOT release, distribute or hand out that mesh he has skoped together, no matter how much work he might have put into the skoping, all he (and i and other skopers ) have done is move around the building blocks that make up the meshes created by talented artists.
Quote from: GGiant on August 13, 2007, 10:11:47 PM
So your telling me that Kaede is kitbashing TJ meshes and a wolverine skin? :blink:
P.S I don't get it. :wacko:
There is a definition of kittbashing elsewhere on this forum and its about the worst thing you can do in this community. Again as above newer members often dont realise they are doing it, adbn they usually get cut a little slack. However i dont buy that defence. How can anyone, even a newb, believe its ok to steal, change and rearrange the work of another artist, then display it under the pretence that it is theirs with no attempt to give credit or recognition to the real artist? Thats not a mistake, thats not ignorance, thats wanton theft.
I dont have UE's skin of wolverine on hand at the moment, but i'm sure he could tell you if its his or not. I'll say i believe NomadX's judgement, he has been here long enough to know.
IF, Kaede, you have used the work of another artist, especially one form this community, you have a few options: You can apologise, not do it again and skin your own stuff in the future, you can contact the artist who it belongs to and ask if its ok for you to use it (most will say no, and for good reason. Its not fair for someone to spend hours on a pair of jeans, admittedly a hard material and subject to render, then you STEAL it, slap it on your own frankenstien of a skin and say its yours. thats not fair and thats not how this community works.)
Again, this is IF you have used the work of other people. I cant tell from here, but it seems very possible (this goes for all skinned parts weapons, belts, extras etc. The duke skope mesh has a grenade launcher on it. the skin for that weapon was done by C6. If you didn't ask him to use it, if he didn't give you the go ahead, then you have committed theft).
None of the skinners or meshers in this community HAVE to release anything they do. They don't have to let us hex and butcher and skope their meshes, but MANY of them do (thanks guys!). Some don't allow us and we respect that.
IF Kaede has used the skins of other people, even parts of them he cant release the mesh cos its not his work. The parts clearly come from a TJ meshes adn other meshes, combining meshes requires nifskope, and skoping TJ meshes is not allowed.
i dont see how Kaede can release this mesh and skin in any form to the community as it is right now.
He will have to find a new, non TJ base mesh, find non TJ mesh parts for weapons etc. and skin his own work.
Style, a mad skoper, has created a range of great skoped meshes. You better believe he is only releasing those whose original meshers gave permission to skope, and he will get permission to use other peoples skins or have new original ones made.
We don't steal at FR.
New members, my advice is this. Don't ASSUME anything. You and we, have no right to do anything with these works, skins or meshes. they are a gift bestowed by generous artists. don't spit in their faces by stealing and butchering what they have done. Ask permission for everything, ask questions of the general community about whats allowed (most are nicer than me and are glad to help). Email the creators, check old threads for examples of what you want to do and see how this is handled. Check the stickied topics, especially those labelled NIFSKOPE PERMISSION THREAD. By checking that one thread you could have avoided this whole lecture.
Well put Carravaggio.
Kaede, i hope you're ok, but think about this, you've already got a good foothold into creating a releasable version.
I asume you're using Renegade's Major Force as the body?
what if you placed him into maybe one of Tommyboy's or Grenadier's meshes (like why not directly into Nick Fury, that way your keyframe problem is solved for the jetpack. Or another option would be to use Gren's Punisher mesh. while it doesn't have as many gun options, it does have many different ranged keyframes. and since it's alsa a Gren mesh, made around the same time as the Nick Fury mesh, it might even be easier to skope together - and use both setsa of keyframes..
Now I understand. ^_^
Thanks, Carravaggio.
So Kaede can't release the skoped mesh but he can keep it for himself.
Such a shame TJ can't be contacted. :cry:
Thanks for the reply.
I owe you one making me understand the difference of skoping ang hexing.
Since I got nifskope I always thought they mean the same thing. :doh:
Thanks again! :thumbup:
Dear all,
I don't want to be controversial but:
1.- There's been no butchering, stealing, spitting on someones face, etc. The mesh was not released (as far as I know, and I'm the one who asked for it). Caravaggio warned everybody that it can't be done and the mesh was not released.
2.- I'm sure Kaede did their work with his/her best intention. Everybody does mistakes and everybody has not read a readme.txt sometimes.
3.- I respect all the work that FR community does. Tommyboy, Renegade, Texas Jack, Benton Grey, Stumpy, Prev, M25 and so on. I know that if we have this community so alive is for their work and their talent, and I'm very happy of being part of it with my little and sloppy part. I also want to state that Kaede's work deserves all of our respect too (at least mine) even if it can't be released.
4.- Thanks for the advices Caravaggio. I'll keep them in mind. :)
Sorry to bug again but Carravaggio but,
if someone is creating a "hex" of the punisher_TJ mesh will he be able to release it even with TJ not around?
I think TJ has returned for a while now.
See in his profile. (http://freedomreborn.net/archive/index.php?action=profile;u=548)
TJ last active was November 6 2006 I think but he was active yesterday.
HE RETURNED!
Kaede, If you somehow manage to pm Texas Jack,
then you can release this:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/kitbasherFF/duke.jpg)
And another thing all who posted here pls. read this:
http://freedomreborn.net/archive/index.php?topic=41320.msg580989#msg580989
I wrote a PM to Texas Jack this morning (european hour)
Let's cross our fingers
On the other hand, the link you wrote seems very clear. One of the things I said to TJ in the PM was including him as original author of some parts of the mesh anyway.
Let me quote the words from TJ:
QuoteHowdy
Yeah, you dont need any permission from me, although it would be nice if the mesher just kinda mentions where the mesh came from in the read me, other than that, you've got free reign, good luck with it
-TJ
But I'd wait some time before making a decission in order to wait for a response from TJ. Besides Caravaggio was quite clear about this (and he was right, because we don't have direct permission from TJ).
Anyway, great news for the Duke Nukem mesh!
The skin can't be released though.
http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeansua2.jpg
Ultimate Evil's Logan skin on the left, Kaede's kitbash on the right.
Quote from: NomadX on August 17, 2007, 01:39:43 PM
The skin can't be released though.
http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeansua2.jpg
Ultimate Evil's Logan skin on the left, Kaede's kitbash on the right.
dude, don't you understand the meaning of WIP? that means, it's a work in progress, that means that the only thing that featured in the mesh was the skoped design and not focus on the skin yet... and didn't you even noticed that, the belts and the cratridges in the harness are just the same as with the solid_snake mesh and the Punisher_TJ mesh? it's like you specifically searched for a skin that was the same as what i used, man just try reading my post here, http://freedomreborn.net/archive/index.php?topic=42001.720 , i already told them that some are just default skins from the mesh, and as a WIP as it is, i will only finish the skin if lmalonsof was already granted by TJ to release it... so the mesh/skin won't be realesed, and not because of kitbashing, but just because there's no permission from TJ yet...
Quote from: Zivon23 on March 20, 2007, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: UnkoMan on March 03, 2007, 08:52:13 AM
Does anybody know of a way to contact Texas Jack about this?
Long time ago I asked TJ about hexing his meshes......
Quote from: Texas Jack on May 09, 2005, 09:57:35 AM
QuoteHello Texas,
I was wondering, since you have released alot of your MAX files, does that mean you have given meshers permission to use them(without having to ask for permission)? The reason I am asking this is I am planning on getting ahold of Shevek to see if he is willing to add your Warblade ponytail to his Deadpool mesh. I am sending this pm out first to get permission to use your hairstyle.
Thanks in advanced
Zivon23
Awesome meshes by the way. keep up the great work. I have in the past tried to mesh.....so I know how frustrating it gets.
Howdy :D
Yeah, you dont need any permission from me, although it would be nice if the mesher just kinda mentions where the mesh came from in the read me, other than that, you've got free reign, good luck with it :D
-TJ
Quote from: Shevek on March 17, 2004, 09:48:00 PM
If you wanna hex the mesh, I would have no problem with that at all so long as it is stated your readme file where its hexed from and, ideally, my readme is included as well. Also, you may wish to ask the good folks at NPI as well. They were nice to host my mesh and may like the model and its hexes to be exclusive to them (i am not sure as I am new to this community).
I believe he would say the same for skoping...IMHO. I know this is not Direct permission and I do not speak for TJ or Shevek, but I leave inturpretation to the inturpreteurs.........
But explicit permission has not been given. Hexing is not the same as skoping, in fact we have meshers here who have given permission for hexing but withheld permission for skinning. Its possible a mesher is ok with hexing but not at all with skoping. Until we know we can't assume.
If you guys spent your time looking for alternate, skope safe meshes instead of trying to win an already lost argument, you'd have a releasable duke already.
OR those of you who want this duke mesh so bad, you could spend an hour of your time learning a bit of skoping and then maybe you could make it yourself. While releasing skoped TJ stuff is not allowed, what you do with it in the privacy of your own home is not an issue. Kaede can obviously use this Duke skope all day and TJ, me or anyone else cant do anything about it.
TJ might turn around and give the go ahead on all his stuff one day. He might let us skope his stuff, and that would be grand, but until we have it in wiritingf rom the man himself, we can't assume we have any right to do what we want with his work.
Quote from: GGiant on August 17, 2007, 08:34:24 AM
Sorry to bug again but Carravaggio but,
if someone is creating a "hex" of the punisher_TJ mesh will he be able to release it even with TJ not around?
Yeah so far as we know a hex is fine, all that involves is hiding and unhiding parts of a mesh that exist already. You aren't adding or removing anything, you're just removing the ability to see parts of the mesh. The authors original vision is still present in some form within the mesh. It should be fine to release it, as evidenced in a previous post that shows TJ giving permission for such a thing.
The problem with skoping is, you can change the original mesh to a point where it no longer resembles the original...imagine painting an image only to have someone download/photograph it, change it, then claim ownership for it, claiming its their talent that made it. Then they get credit for it. That would seem, to you, like stealing.
In communities like this over the net, credit can get lost disturbingly easy. Thats why some people tend to come down so hard on this sort of thing.
Kaede, lots of people, AA, Podmark, and Detourne among them all said how amazing that duke skin looked. You did mention that it was parts from other standard skins, but i think the problem was you didn't say you intended to replace them. Kittbashing (using other peoples skins parts) is a lynching offence 'round here, and when a newer member previews something that includes work from other artists, some people tend to think 'kittbasher!'. While you never said you would release it with the kittbashed skins, you didn't say you would replace them with your own either. (you since have but in your original posts i couldn't see it). It seems that NomadX was alerting you to the fact that particular duke combo can't be released as is. If you had mentioned you would be replacing the 'borrowed' skin bits, we would all be fine with it. Saying its a WIP could refer to the skin, parts of the skin and not others, keyframes or the mesh/skoped parts itself, if you don't specify, we wont know which bits you are doing urself, or which parts come from other artists.
Ok now to make things clear... I am putting Duke on hold, and not releasing it, until TJ says the go... coz i'm caught up with Anime projects as of now, and as i release this Duke, it will have new skins made by me, and not kitbashed from any other skins... :thumbup:
But Carravaggio,
Shevek wanted to put the warblade ponytail on another TJ mesh.
Isn't that what Kaede is doing now?
And perhaps he let us a free reign to skope his meshes.
GGiant, Zivon23 asked TJ if Shevek (another mesher, and author of the Deadpool mesh) would be able to take the ponytail from TJ's Warblade mesh, and put it onto his Deadpool mesh.
TJ was ok with that. however this doesn't give us license to interpret his comments in any way that benefits us. in the link you posted, someone else had replied with the reasonable comment that the only person that know Texas Jack's intention is Texas Jack himself.
For now we just have to wait and see.
i think think some tutorials could help u skinning is on fr wiki and the sticky note here
This is not about having desperately a Duke Nukem mesh at all costs to play myself with it and become mad of fun thinking 'I'm Duke, come on alien scum!', it's about having a mesh/skin that can be released as part of a mod. That's why I started the thread and if it can't be done, it won't be done.
As I said, I'd wait until any new from TJ. If we don't have any after some time, I'd re-evaluate the situation and then think in possible options.
Can someone make a good skin for duke in the solid snake mesh?
Its too bad you can't do a "rip their head off and _____ down their neck" animation!
Hi everyone,
waiting for a TJ response, I was working in the mod and this is what I have:
Duke Nukem skin for GREN's Punisher:
(http://imgnation.net/images/ompj.jpg)
Duke's ally, Helen Heater and alien1 (for Female basic guns by Interceptor and Male basic rifle by The Beyonder)
(http://imgnation.net/images/xrtc.jpg)
Two more aliens for Male basic wings by The Beyonder and Male mindhammer by Jason DaSilva
(http://imgnation.net/images/ifvq.jpg)
Let me know your thoughts about it :)
Why the punisher_gren?
Solid_Snake is cooler.
I made a hex didn't I? :blink:
HEX OKAY!
SKOPE REJECTED!
Ok, the skin should work for both.
Let me check wich one is the one you say...
Ok, Ok... I know the one you're talking about. The one with the cool keyframes.
I used the GREN's one because it could be skoped (permission given in http://frworld.wikispaces.com/Nifskope+Permission+List)
I thought it could be easier to work from that mesh. Anyway, the skin works fine with your work, in fact it was done for it.
I'll put some pics of the skin with the solid_snake mesh too.
Quote from: lmalonsof on August 27, 2007, 03:37:44 AM
Ok, Ok... I know the one you're talking about. The one with the cool keyframes.
I used the GREN's one because it could be skoped (permission given in http://frworld.wikispaces.com/Nifskope+Permission+List)
I thought it could be easier to work from that mesh. Anyway, the skin works fine with your work, in fact it was done for it.
I'll put some pics of the skin with the solid_snake mesh too.
You skoped it? :blink:
That is too much for me...
I learned to skin this last week, and I have no time for more (and finishing the EZscripts missions)
This is the skin with the hex that GGiant did for TJ solid snake mesh:
(http://imgnation.net/images/dygi.jpg)
It looks pretty good :thumbup:
Try skinning the man_shark mesh. :)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/webridermeshes2/
Kssaints, has a skope in his ninth yahoo group.
there is so much in this thread that is pissing me off, and if i actually posted what i'm thinking i would be banned
there are so many people who give and give for this community and then there are bunch of stupid morons who cant seem to read the simple rules and respect the wishes of other
they have really started to make this place lose a lot of its appeal.
Texas Jack has yet to give permission to skope his meshes. So until then I think that it behooves all of us to think of them as untouchable. Moreover I don't believe that any of us are skoping or skinning Webriders meshes out of respect to him. He was taken from us to soon. Look guys...poke around and read the posts here....you'll find out the do's and don'ts by simply reading and getting to know the people in this forum. Just try to be respectful and when in doubt you can ask anyone here...for the most part we're a tolerant and helpful bunch.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on August 30, 2007, 09:18:19 AM
there is so much in this thread that is pissing me off, and if i actually posted what i'm thinking i would be banned
Welcome to my world :angry:
I suppose I'm part of this 'bunch of stupid morons', so let me quote myself:
Quote...There's been no butchering, stealing, spitting on someones face, etc. The mesh was not released (as far as I know, and I'm the one who asked for it).
Any work made here by me (skins and ezscript missions) was doing in a respectful way towards the original authors of the meshes and FFX32. Any work showed here has not been released as I said in other post:
Quote...I'd wait until any new from TJ. If we don't have any after some time, I'd re-evaluate the situation and then think in possible options...
There is no response from TJ, so all the thing was changed to merely skinning. These skins have not been released. You won't find any kitbashing in the skins in any male_basic.tga file posted as pic., the parts/accesories skin files are from the original authors.
The aim of this thread was to be the beginning of a mod about Duke Nukem, but there won't be any Duke Nukem mod (at least made by me). All this work would have went back to community WITH THE EXPLICIT PERMISSION OF THE AUTHORS. I don't know if I' making myself clear, so let me again:
Without explicit permission from the authors, nothing would have been released.
I WOULD HAVE NEVER RELEASED ANY UNATHORISED SKOPED, HEXED OR WHATEVER WORK, AS I SAID IN PREVIUOS POSTS. I don't know if anyone cares but
NO WORK ALREADY MADE BY ME AS PART OF THIS PROJECT (for being more presice, skins and ezscript missions) WILL BE RELEASEDso calm down and relax.
On the other hand, I don't want to go personal with any of you. I have tried and I'm trying to be as polite as I can and my personal formation lets me. I don't know what to say when someone calls me in internet 'stupid moron'. Nobody has ever called me that in person, face by face. I want to think that one reason for that is because I have never earned such calificative. Other reason might be that is very easy to say that in your home, in front of your keyboard and your screen. I suppose one knows when one writes something offensive, someone can be offended.
If any of you have felt insulted or offended in any way by what I have posted here or in any other posts by me, I'm really sorry.
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lmalonsof, Luis Manuel Alonso Fernández.
'Stupid moron'
OMG! That's one tough proposal!
I felt kind of a loser as well posting in this thread. :(
So to all that was insulted and felt despicable about us I say just as Imalonsof said, sorry. :(
Quote from: lmalonsof on August 31, 2007, 01:23:12 AM
I suppose I'm part of this 'bunch of stupid morons', so let me quote myself:
Quote...There's been no butchering, stealing, spitting on someones face, etc. The mesh was not released (as far as I know, and I'm the one who asked for it).
Any work made here by me (skins and ezscript missions) was doing in a respectful way towards the original authors of the meshes and FFX32. Any work showed here has not been released as I said in other post:
Quote...I'd wait until any new from TJ. If we don't have any after some time, I'd re-evaluate the situation and then think in possible options...
There is no response from TJ, so all the thing was changed to merely skinning. These skins have not been released. You won't find any kitbashing in the skins in any male_basic.tga file posted as pic., the parts/accesories skin files are from the original authors.
The aim of this thread was to be the beginning of a mod about Duke Nukem, but there won't be any Duke Nukem mod (at least made by me). All this work would have went back to community WITH THE EXPLICIT PERMISSION OF THE AUTHORS. I don't know if I' making myself clear, so let me again:
Without explicit permission from the authors, nothing would have been released. I WOULD HAVE NEVER RELEASED ANY UNATHORISED SKOPED, HEXED OR WHATEVER WORK, AS I SAID IN PREVIUOS POSTS. I don't know if anyone cares but NO WORK ALREADY MADE BY ME AS PART OF THIS PROJECT (for being more presice, skins and ezscript missions) WILL BE RELEASED
so calm down and relax.
On the other hand, I don't want to go personal with any of you. I have tried and I'm trying to be as polite as I can and my personal formation lets me. I don't know what to say when someone calls me in internet 'stupid moron'. Nobody has ever called me that in person, face by face. I want to think that one reason for that is because I have never earned such calificative. Other reason might be that is very easy to say that in your home, in front of your keyboard and your screen. I suppose one knows when one writes something offensive, someone can be offended.
If any of you have felt insulted or offended in any way by what I have posted here or in any other posts by me, I'm really sorry.
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lmalonsof, Luis Manuel Alonso Fernández.
'Stupid moron'
right obviously this was for my benefit. so can be please act like grown ups and not throw temper tantrums. i never once actually singled anyone out with my post. if i wanted to i would have. my post was basically a statement at the mentality of the of some of the new breed of posters that seem to have appeared on this board.
but you can see where i stand i come to a thread to see something that may be of interest to me and find my work stolen. you can see why i would be angry. the state of i was getting at was simply a large amount of new posters don't seem to want to learn the rules of the board and are treating this place as nothing more than simply a buffet.
Quoteright obviously this was for my benefit. so can be please act like grown ups and not throw temper tantrums. i never once actually singled anyone out with my post. if i wanted to i would have. my post was basically a statement at the mentality of the of some of the new breed of posters that seem to have appeared on this board.
You must have singled on the first place. You can't say 'If I wanted to I would have'. If you have the guts to write what you did, you must have the guts to single because if you don't do it other people can be offended too. Besides, there shouldn't be any room here for insults of for offensive words. I think we all here are grown ups to accept critics (critics are not insults). On the other hand, I have every right of throwing a temper tantrum after reading things like 'stupid moron'. I suppose that you know it already but I'm going to be straight: you have offended me. You have had a great oportunity in your last post to apologize and say something like:
'Sorry if any have felt offended for my words, I shouldn't say that. I'm just saying that there are too many good work done here by talented artist and we should respect them'.
Quotebut you can see where i stand i come to a thread to see something that may be of interest to me and find my work stolen. you can see why i would be angry. the state of i was getting at was simply a large amount of new posters don't seem to want to learn the rules of the board and are treating this place as nothing more than simply a buffet.
That's why you should have singled.
Anyway, I can't understand why after reading my words in red from the last post you're still saying that. I dare you to find in Internet or anywhere any unathorised (or even authorised) work related to this mod. If you find any, I'll agree with you. If you don't you'll realise that in this thread I was respecting the desire of the authors. There wasn't any stolen work here. There was a point in the thread when we were skoping what we shouldn't. We were warned, we ask for permission and the permission didn't come so that skoping was stopped. THAT WORK WAS NOT RELEASED. All further work was done following the rules: no kitbashing, no unathorised skoping, etc.
In your own words, you can see where I stand too. I try to say things politely, to apologize when I'm wrong or when I offend someone and to respect the work of everyone here (because I try to contribute with my own work and I want it to be respected too).
Keep it civil. Veteran poster or newbie, the rules are there for a reason.
It's pretty simple in the end.
Nothing should be hexed or skoped for distribution without the permission of the original creators. To do otherwise if flat out disrespectful. If you want to hex or skope meshes for distribution, get permission, and give credit.
Some creators have provided blanket permission for hexing in their readme's. Don't assume the absence of express permission equates to permission. If it doesn't say you can do it, don't do it.
Kitbashing for distribution is out, full stop.
I'll also remind all that we have a moderation team for a reason. If you spot a flagrant breach of forum rules, notify the moderation team. It's one thing to take it upon yourself to help newer members understand the way things work (and we appreciate such efforts), but leave the policing up to those authorised to do so. If you spot something that you think needs our attention, then PM us or use the "notify" button. That's what it's there for.
As always, it's never a good idea to let personal feelings enter your posts - don't post angry. More often than not that's where flame wars start, and then I have to start banning people.
Now, go about your business, there's nothing to see here.
great news texasjack has givin permission on the mesh and the bad news is make your own skin :thumbup:
Yes we all know that.
I will attempt to gain more information.
Until then all of you I suggest you bump this thread.
GGiant, there was no need to double post with-in a minute of your last post. You do this a lot actually, there is nothing wrong with posting but sometime it feels like you are posting just to post especially if it is double posting.
yes.
u should edit your post next time. :)
If I'm not mistaken there was a Duke Nukem skin for the male_heavy_chaingun
Since there's no mesh, does anyone here has that skin???? PLEASEE =/ :D
I wish I had a DN mesh, thx. ;)
I thought this thread was dead! :o
Looks like you've brought it back! :o
Seriously, did you ever read the thread?
Quote from: GGiant on November 30, 2007, 05:08:17 AM
I thought this thread was dead! :o
Looks like you've brought it back! :o
Seriously, did you ever read the thread?
Yes I did read, and there's nothing wrong about posting here since it is a DN request(it is a Duke Nukem mesh / skin thread after all), I know what happened to the other mesh, but I need the skin for the male_heavy_chaingun or some new mesh...Do I need to create another post/request for Duke it out? ;)
Sorry if I did something wrong... :huh:
Quote from: Kaede on August 10, 2007, 08:51:38 PM
just a WIP on the Duke... :P
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/kitbasherFF/duke.jpg)
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/kitbasherFF/nukem.jpg)
comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated... :thumbup:
I still don't understand why this nif can't be release all of the original creators are fine with it, why not get someone to skin it and release?
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 30, 2007, 04:52:08 PM
Quote from: Kaede on August 10, 2007, 08:51:38 PM
just a WIP on the Duke... :P
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/kitbasherFF/duke.jpg)
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/kitbasherFF/nukem.jpg)
comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated... :thumbup:
I still don't understand why this nif can't be release all of the original creators are fine with it, why not get someone to skin it and release?
If he doesn't release it, well umm...I know some of the meshes he used.
Perhaps we can remake it?
Major Force
On of Gni's meshes that has glasses
Solid Snake
Punisher
Quote from: GGiant on November 30, 2007, 05:08:17 AM
Looks like you've brought it back! :o
I bet now you're happy with this topic beeing brought back :P