For those who don't know, Benton and ips have come to an agreement, all parties are satisfied, so the argument is over.
That's excellent news. I'm extremely happy for BG that he'll be able to release his mod. But, after finding out that the agreement was that BG add Missions to the Mod which use the extra content, which is what the people who spoke out against his mod wanted in the first place,(and it's the same choice in TommyBoy's Poll that only got 5% of the vote, while 85% of the vote (counting the "precedent" and the "it breaks no rule" choices) said it was okay to release it as is), personally, I feel that all my energy and time to defend the DCUG as it was, and to defend content creators rights have all been a waste.
So, if the DCUG is just going to be released per the wishes of those that spoke out against it, then why did we have to go through days of agony arguing about it?
BG requested Polls. Well the two polls (AA's and TB's) have shown clearly what the majority thinks. And my Monopoly thread also shows that no one is concerned about a monopoly. So it would seem that the majority of the community is being ignored - another thing that is bothering me.
Well, here we are again. IPS, I'm afraid that I really can't say much more than I already have. I appreciate the well considered way that you have presented your argument, and I certainly don't want to disregard it out of hand. I also appreciate that you played the mod before coming to a conclusion, and that you acknowledge what this has been and continues to be for me. I will try and make my case again, and then I'm going to make a request about how this be addressed in the future.
This is BG's opening response to IPS in the DCUG thread. In the last sentence he makes a request for how this will be addressed in the future. Many others have also requested that rules be documented to prevent this issue from occurring again. Well, everyone keeps saying that the discussion is over and to move on, but I still haven't seen any specific rules. What are the rules? IMO, this has reached the point, if not past the point, where an Admin should tell us what the rule is for this situation, so this issue can finally be put to rest.
I think that we all wanted to enjoy a bit of peace and normalcy for a day or two.
For one thing, not all the votes are in on the polls. Some only visit infrequently, and even those who do visit may as yet be unaware of the polls, or undecided. I would like to hear from everyone if possible, even if that means it takes a few weeks. So please, be patient. I certainly haven't forgotten the need to have an agreed set of rules where everyone can consult them, nor, I suspect, have many others here.
We do still need to formulate a code or rules, but first need to get an idea of what the community wants, and the individual wishes and needs of the subset that is the creators. Again, that cannot be done overnight.
I don't think that you wasted anything defending the Mod. Or that anyone else did, for that matter.
I understand that the compromise solution on DCUG may not be to everyones taste, that is often the nature of compromise.
Bear in mind that Benton's original plans for the Mod included other creators and himself adding extra campaigns or missions, so I for one feel nothing has been lost, only some stuff added or moved forward. The Mod is to be released, as before, but with extra campaigns and missions not previously in it. I cannot see how anyone should feel robbed of anything by that.
I also fail to see any other way of moving forward, as IPS made it very clear he would not let it go, did not feel bound by my poll of the community. Short of my hunting him down and killing him, we would have just kept arguing, which would likely have kept Benton unwilling to release it, and if not "destroy the community11!" at least make some leave it.
Alternatively, we could have not bothered to defend it, the Mod would not get released and whatever was left of the community in the wake of that could continue under the benevolent protectorship of IPS.
I prefer the compromise.
I think there is merit in continued discussion on the subject of the rules, and thank you for bringing it back up.
But I also think that we should not rush this, and try to get as large and as much of a consensus as we can.
