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Title: The game STILL won't run... and now...
Post by: daglob on December 18, 2016, 04:18:41 AM
I've looked at other posts on this subject, but I can't quite see how to fix it. I'm trying to open FF1, and get "failed to load character def". I haven't merged any files, and I removed the last few hero files that I made. Still, no go.

Help?

Okay, I got Customforce to load, but there were no characters listed. I don't remember if it is supposed to be this way or not.
Title: Re: Failed to Load Character Def-Fixed?
Post by: daglob on December 18, 2016, 05:32:05 AM
Okay, I kept looking for things that might be wrong. I opened the character.dat file and erased the last entry, and saved as 2character.dat, and closed Wordpad. I went to the directory, renamed character.dat to character.old, renamed 2character.dat to just plain character.dat, and the thing works.

So, this worked for me, but I don't know why it got messed up in the first place.
Title: Re: Failed to Load Character Def-Fixed? Not exactly.
Post by: daglob on December 18, 2016, 05:51:40 AM
I posted too soon. The game loads, but none of the built-in characters are displayed in the character creation section.
Title: Re: Failed to Load Character Def-Fixed? Not exactly.
Post by: Cyber Burn on December 18, 2016, 07:33:41 AM
Now, I've seen this error before, but it was in FFvt3R, and not FF1. I never figured out what caused it, but I ended up having to do a complete re-install.
Title: Re: Failed to Load Character Def-Fixed? Not exactly.
Post by: daglob on December 18, 2016, 02:45:08 PM
 :faint
Title: Re: Failed to Load Character Def-Fixed? Reinstall failed
Post by: daglob on December 18, 2016, 04:37:51 PM
While running the patch, I got a Fetch Error during diff, some kind of error patching the Characters.dat.

Now what?
Title: Re: Failed to Load Character Def-Fixed? Reinstall failed big time.
Post by: daglob on December 18, 2016, 11:56:14 PM
And I discover that the reinstall didn't install the whole game. None of Irrational's generic meshes ever made it nor did the art.ff file.
Title: Re: Failed to Load Character Def-Fixed? Reinstall failed big time.
Post by: daglob on December 19, 2016, 02:16:36 AM
Found out that the original game didn't uninstall. Tried it again, and it worked. Now I can't reinstall it.

Title: Re: Failed to Load Character Def-Fixed? Reinstall failed big time.
Post by: spydermann93 on December 19, 2016, 02:24:44 AM
Is this Steam acting up or something? :blink:
Title: Re: Failed to Load Character Def-Fixed? Reinstall failed big time.
Post by: daglob on December 19, 2016, 03:50:26 AM
Original CD on a Windows 10 machine.

I took possession of the folder where it is supposed to install, and it goes through the motions but doesn't do anything. I checked to be sure it wasn't installing on the C drive even after  I told it to use the D drive.
Title: Re: Failed to Load Character Def-Fixed? Missing .dll now...
Post by: daglob on December 19, 2016, 05:27:44 PM
I got it to install on the C drive with no trouble at all. Now it says it is missing zlib-1.1.3.dll. Even if I found it, where would it go?
Title: Re: Now the game won't run...
Post by: daglob on December 19, 2016, 06:43:17 PM
When I click on the icon, it makes sure I have permission, then the hard drive spins and nothing... The same thing happens when I try to open FFXEdit. I did get CTool and FFEdit to work. Now I have to figure out why it erased several characters.

FFv3R still works.
Title: Re: Now the game won't run...
Post by: Cyber Burn on December 19, 2016, 09:47:33 PM
http://www.mediafire.com/file/clukdzzpb8f3jme/zlib-1.1.3.dll.7z

It goes in your main FF1 directory. I hope this helps get you going.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Now the game won't run...
Post by: daglob on December 20, 2016, 12:53:20 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: The game still won't run...
Post by: daglob on December 20, 2016, 07:12:30 PM
I can click on the .exe file and I get the little whirling circle, it asks if I want FF to alter stuff on the disk, but nothing loads.
Title: Re: The game still won't run...
Post by: BentonGrey on December 20, 2016, 11:39:41 PM
I'm sorry DG, this is a new one on me.  I hope you can figure it out!
Title: Re: The game still won't run...
Post by: daglob on December 21, 2016, 03:36:18 AM
Oh joy; Nifscope doesn't work either.

I've been trying to roll the update back, but so far, it won't let me.
Title: Re: The game still won't run...
Post by: Cyber Burn on December 21, 2016, 06:10:55 AM
Which version of NifSkope are you using, and what kind of error are you getting?
Title: Re: The game still won't run...
Post by: daglob on December 21, 2016, 07:25:02 PM
I don't know, and it won't open so I can check. I don't get an error message, according to Process Explorer it loads into memory then unloads, same as FF.
Title: Re: The game still won't run...
Post by: Cyber Burn on December 21, 2016, 07:49:09 PM
Are you having any Non-FF related PC issues?
Title: Re: The game still won't run...
Post by: daglob on December 21, 2016, 08:19:31 PM
Scads, but it was fine until the forced MS update yesterday. Now very little "Microsoft" software is able to run on my machine.
Title: Re: The game still won't run...
Post by: crosspotts1.0 on December 26, 2016, 10:49:31 PM
i try not to up date cause it screws every thing up for some reason :thumbdown:
Title: Re: The game still won't run...
Post by: daglob on December 28, 2016, 09:30:22 PM
It still won't load.

FFv3R still works. :angry:
Title: Re: The game still won't run... Is there a log someplace?
Post by: daglob on January 01, 2017, 01:01:49 AM
It still won't load. I can peek at Process Explorer real quick when I try to start it. It shows up in the existing process then disappears, just about as fast as you can say it.

Is there a log someplace that might tell me what is going on?
Title: Re: The game still won't run... Is there a log someplace?
Post by: spydermann93 on January 01, 2017, 03:11:05 AM
I've been trying to figure out what's happening here, but I can't make heads or tails of it.
Title: Re: The game still won't run... Is there a log someplace?
Post by: daglob on January 01, 2017, 06:25:53 AM
Here's a thought: The version of FF I have had on this computer was put there by a friend, and it was fixed so that it was not necessary to have the disk in the cd drive. I've re-installed from my original disk, though, so does it still need the disk? The disk is still in there, but I've moved FF to the D drive. Is there someplace I need to tell the game how to find the cd drive? I can't remember if I did this when I put FFv3R on the D drive; I do need the disk in the drive for it to run.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... going into second month
Post by: daglob on January 21, 2017, 08:08:20 PM
I had a funny idea, so I installed FF1 on the C drive to see if I could get it to run there. I patched it, left the CD in the drive, and I get a little spinning wheel, then nothing.

Any suggestions at all?
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run...
Post by: BentonGrey on January 22, 2017, 01:36:55 AM
Hrm.  I'm afraid you've I'm not tech savy enough to know what needs to be done regarding the different drives.  You have CD versions of both games that won't run?  What version of Windows do you have? 

I wonder if the Steam or GOG versions might work better.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run...
Post by: daglob on January 22, 2017, 01:49:02 AM
I'm using WX, but it ran just fine for several months. FFv3R seems to work.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run...
Post by: BentonGrey on January 22, 2017, 09:35:23 PM
Man, that's so weird.  I've not had trouble with either of them in Windows 10 recently.  And it is a disk version?  I think I might try the Steam version and just see if that makes any difference.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run...
Post by: WyldFyre on January 25, 2017, 05:16:47 PM
I had trouble with the disk version too. I think the problem may be in the registry entries for FF. If you uninstall and then reinstall to a different directory, Win10 looks for the first install for some reason. I believe you have to uninstall, reboot, and then reinstall for Win10 to recognize the new directory, and possibly reboot after the reinstall as well, just to make sure. I don't remember exactly, but I think this might force the registry change.

This affected me on the editor installation. I now run the GoG version, and Win10 wanted to use my old disk install directory for the editor. I finally got everything to work, but it was a time consuming process.

Hope that all made sense, and hope you can get it working.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and it's like. April...
Post by: daglob on April 14, 2017, 02:30:10 PM
Spent a couple of hours yesterday trying to fix this. I didn't. I have made sure the files are not read only, took possession of the FF folder, set it up to run under every compatibility mode they had (it worked under Windows 7, but FFv3R runs under the compatibility mode as WXP Service Pack 2 just fine). I've used a program manager to watch as the FF program and a .dll load, then are killed. I believe it is a security issue, and despite being an Administrator, it doesn't believe that I should run the program.

The annoying thing is as time goes by (and I mean weeks), other stuff starts acting funny. At first, I was able to convert FF1 .nifs to FFv3R easily; a few weeks back, I had to create a folder just for conversion,and it took an hour to set up the permissions so that it will let me convert. I suspect that eventually that will stop after a later update.I am going to try again to put it on the C drive, but am open to any and all suggestions.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and it's like. April...
Post by: WyldFyre on April 15, 2017, 01:30:02 AM
The only other thing I can think of is your AV program. Are you using the Win version or a third party?

You may have to create an exception in the AV if it has that ability. Sometime I get a "Windows Firewall has blocked execution of this program" error even though I use third party AV software.

You can also try disabling the AV program for the install.

Sorry if you've tried all this before, just throwing stuff out there.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and it's like. April...
Post by: Cyber Burn on April 15, 2017, 03:21:24 AM
I actually had to uninstall every single Add-On one by one, until every thing FF related was removed from my PC. Then I had to restart my PC, and do a Clean re-Install of everything. It took me a while to figure it out, but once I did, it finally worked.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and it's like. April...
Post by: spydermann93 on April 15, 2017, 04:18:02 AM
Man, I wish that I could help you, Glob, but I have no clue what's going on with this. :(
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and it's June already...
Post by: daglob on June 23, 2017, 04:02:17 AM
Okay, do you have to have Python to make FF work? In among the assorted thing I've done , one has generated an errormessage that Python is incorrectly installed. I need to know which version I need, also.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and it's June already...
Post by: WyldFyre on June 25, 2017, 08:13:53 PM
Not to my knowledge. I never had python installed until well after FFvtTR came out.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and it's like. April...
Post by: Cyber Burn on August 26, 2017, 11:53:36 PM
Quote from: Cyber Burn on April 15, 2017, 03:21:24 AM
I actually had to uninstall every single Add-On one by one, until every thing FF related was removed from my PC. Then I had to restart my PC, and do a Clean re-Install of everything. It took me a while to figure it out, but once I did, it finally worked.

And now Daglob's luck has hit me as well. Both, my Win 8.1 Laptop, and my Win 10 Desktop, have stopped playing both Games.

At least with my Win 10 though, I am getting an error message for FFvt3R:

(http://i.imgur.com/jMrAsCp.jpg)

Not exactly sure what it means though.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and it's June already...
Post by: spydermann93 on August 27, 2017, 12:55:44 AM
Have you modded the game at all since your last run? In particular, have you modified the mod that you're trying to launch?

Sometimes when I modify data files using python scrips like the ChangeActiveDefenseDuration (paraphrasing the name), I get similar errors.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and it's June already...
Post by: daglob on August 27, 2017, 12:58:23 AM
Yeah, I was gonna say; thee is a .dat file messed up. I still have FFv3R, but even after this long, FF1 won't run.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and it's June already...
Post by: Cyber Burn on August 27, 2017, 06:38:06 AM
Quote from: spydermann93 on August 27, 2017, 12:55:44 AM
Have you modded the game at all since your last run? In particular, have you modified the mod that you're trying to launch?

Sometimes when I modify data files using python scrips like the ChangeActiveDefenseDuration (paraphrasing the name), I get similar errors.

This is actually for the Main Game, no Modding done to it except altering the FX and Sounds Dat Files.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and now...
Post by: daglob on October 31, 2017, 11:05:18 PM
FFv3R has quit working. Well, mostly, anyway. I can still open the game and create characters, but actually playing the game is impossible. The Danger Room doesn't work either. I'm pretty sure that it's a memory problem; apparently Windows has a bunch of Svchost files that take up a little memory and either are not supposed to be nor cannot be "killed". There also seem to be some "stealth" programs WX loads into the memory and are not listed in taskmanager (I found this out when I shut down the machine and was informed that such and such was still running and was I sure I wanted to close or something like that).

When feasible I'll see if I can increase the memory.
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and now...
Post by: Deaths Jester on October 31, 2017, 11:18:40 PM
I'd run some heavy duty anti-viral on the machine cause there shouldn't be a whole lot of svchosts running...and stealth stuff always makes me questionable...
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and now...
Post by: BentonGrey on November 01, 2017, 06:53:41 AM
CB, that happened to me once when I accidentally opened the campaign tab while FFEdit was pointing to vanilla FF2.  If you do that, it screws up the campdef somehow.  Just replace that file and things SHOULD be okay, if it is the same thing that happened to me.

DG, DJ is right.  You might also try some programs like CCleaner:
https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/registry-cleaner
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and now...
Post by: spydermann93 on November 01, 2017, 09:51:24 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on November 01, 2017, 06:53:41 AM
CB, that happened to me once when I accidentally opened the campaign tab while FFEdit was pointing to vanilla FF2.  If you do that, it screws up the campdef somehow.  Just replace that file and things SHOULD be okay, if it is the same thing that happened to me.

DG, DJ is right.  You might also try some programs like CCleaner:
https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/registry-cleaner

Is CCleaner good? I hear a lot of people use it, but I've always been a bit wary of it. Would you guys recommend using it?
Title: Re: The game STILL won't run... and now...
Post by: bearded on April 28, 2018, 06:25:42 AM
Are you in admin? I found that win10 will change setting unless you are in as admin user. Then I use the steam fforce.exe. fixed nearly everything.