The Flash First Look: Don't Blink (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXsnR-2AvU)
The Flash - Extended Trailer (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/the-flash-extended-trailer/)
Boy oh boy this is going to be a good time at the television!
I don't say this often, but SQUEEE!!!!
Okay. that was actually pretty awesome.
Still not sold on the costume when he's still, but I love the lightning effects when he runs. Love Zoom showing up in the very first scene of the trailer, and the overall plot seems to be very good.
I was hopeful, but nearly ambivillent before. I'm sold now.
It looks pretty good
I never really got into Arrow (maybe because of the slow pacing.. :wacko:) but this looks exciting. Something I would look forward to watching. :)
It certainly looks like it'll be fun to watch.
Parts of this look pretty good, but why in the world did they cast a clone of the whiny Spider-Man actor as Barry Allen? :P Ehh, I didn't see anything here to make me reconsider the show. It still reeks of CW-ness.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 16, 2014, 02:22:45 AM
Parts of this look pretty good, but why in the world did they cast a clone of the whiny Spider-Man actor as Barry Allen? :P Ehh, I didn't see anything here to make me reconsider the show. It still reeks of WB-ness.
I think you mean CW-ness, Benton.. If a Warner Brothers owned DC character starts to lack in WB-ness then I will start to worry that they are hiring Marvel people to design their shows.
Secondly, I watched all of the Barry Allen episodes of Arrow that were the set up for spinning him off into Flash.. and I thought he was perfectly cast for the role although a much younger version of the character then the old Flash show in the '90s. It's very obvious they are setting up Arrow and Flash to be running side by side to build their television DC Universe on and the whole disaster which created the lightning which struck Barry shall be the trigger for all of the metahumans to come.
- CQ
Whoops, edited. Thanks CQ!
Ehh, he just doesn't sound, look, or act like Barry to me. That's just from these trailers, so maybe he's better in the show.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 16, 2014, 04:17:24 AM
Ehh, he just doesn't sound, look, or act like Barry to me. That's just from these trailers, so maybe he's better in the show.
Yeah, just let the pilot and maybe a few episodes past that let the show speak for itself. I'm pretty sure the Flash show will have a much different tone to it then what might not have worked with Arrow (since it's more flashback driven with what goes on between the island and present day). And you will get a pretty good look at '90s Flash vs New Flash since John Wesley Shipp is appearing on the show during the pilot (I keep wondering if maybe they use John as Zoom).
- CQ
These trailers look fun, but it still depresses me that Warner Bros. is wasting as high-profile and interesting a character as the Flash on a low budget CW show.
Quote from: Talavar on May 16, 2014, 09:57:59 PM
These trailers look fun, but it still depresses me that Warner Bros. is wasting as high-profile and interesting a character as the Flash on a low budget CW show.
CW proved they can make a superhero show already,didnt they?Well at least nothing can suck like Agents of SHIELD :doh: .
@T Any air dates for the pilot yet?
Not that I can tell, unfortunately. And please, as much as I agree with your sentiments on CW having proved its worth, this is the Flash thread. Lets not start fights about completely unrelated shows.
Also, apparently John Shipp is actually playing Henry Allen, Barry's father (who is falsely imprisoned for Zoom's murder of Barry's mom). Kind of stinks, since that means he won't be playing a speedster... but the role does suit him at the same time.
Quote from: Spade on May 17, 2014, 06:43:04 AM
Well at least nothing can suck like Agents of SHIELD
You apparently haven't been watching the last few episodes.
Looks really good. Zoom appearing was awesome ofc.
p.s the amount of people in the youtube comment section that thought this was a movie was huge!
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 17, 2014, 09:05:37 AM
Quote from: Spade on May 17, 2014, 06:43:04 AM
Well at least nothing can suck like Agents of SHIELD
You apparently haven't been watching the last few episodes.
Were there any superheroes? :unsure: Yeah I thought so.
Hate to sidetrack this so lets just agree to disagree.
Quote from: Spade on May 17, 2014, 06:43:04 AM
Quote from: Talavar on May 16, 2014, 09:57:59 PM
These trailers look fun, but it still depresses me that Warner Bros. is wasting as high-profile and interesting a character as the Flash on a low budget CW show.
CW proved they can make a superhero show already,didnt they?
They did? News to me.
I'd say they have, yes. Arrow has been very well written, well paced, and is easily one of my favorite shows. Flash, similarly, looks very well put together, the graphics are intense, and I'm really excited to see what they do with it.
Compare that to DC's track record when it comes to film (Man of Steel, TDKR, and Green Lantern were all "good" films at best) and I'd much rather have Flash in the CW's hands. Besides, there's nothing that says he can't show up int the movies (Batman is obviously showing up despite Gotham's production, after all), just that DC doesn't like to do that.
Going off of the previews, even though I'm not 100% sold on the costume, the visuals really don't look too bad, and seem to have some pretty decent potential. I just really hope that the stories can keep pace with them.
Quote from: Talavar on May 17, 2014, 02:54:33 PM
Quote from: Spade on May 17, 2014, 06:43:04 AM
Quote from: Talavar on May 16, 2014, 09:57:59 PM
These trailers look fun, but it still depresses me that Warner Bros. is wasting as high-profile and interesting a character as the Flash on a low budget CW show.
CW proved they can make a superhero show already,didnt they?
They did? News to me.
They(CW) do a pretty good job with TV-show.Arrow is great,Supernatural is a good show,Vampire Dieries I dont watch but its pretty popular.So we can expect Flash to be at least good.
Quote from: Spade on May 18, 2014, 10:04:57 AM
They(CW) do a pretty good job with TV-show. Arrow is great, Supernatural is a good show, Vampire Diaries I don't watch but its pretty popular. So we can expect Flash to be at least good.
I really enjoy Arrow, but I've never watched Supernatural though. As for the Vampire Diaries, my wife had wanted to watch it, so I tried to watch it with her... :banghead:.
That is time I will never be able to get back.
It may be "popular", but it's popular with all the Twilight fans, you know, all the people who love annoying, whiney, characters.
Hopefully, Flash will at least be better than that.
Like I said Its popular,not necesary good. :thumbdown:
So the pilot has been leaked! Has anybody else seen it?
I've got to say that I am a huge fan of Arrow, and this show is shaping up to be just as good....if they can keep the special effects budget up.
Of course there was the obligatory CW teenage romance type plots, and a few cringeworthy dialog moments, but I like how this show is going to be a bit more bright and fantastic as opposed to Arrow's grim n gritty.
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first, I guess the race switch for Wally West is going to carry through to the TV show too, if they ever introduce him... I hope they will.
There's already a will they/won't they tension building between Barry and Iris, but mix Eddie Thawne in as her new boyfriend, and of course Felicity is still interested in Barry.
The special FX are outstanding, I'm hoping the budget will stay that way for the series. His costume is really well done, too.
Here are some more specific show spoilers....
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John Wesley Shipp as Barry's dad was a nice touch!
Grodd!!!
Who is Harrison Wells? Could he be a future Bart Allen? Dr. Zoom? Metron even?
Did they predict a crisis on infinite earths in 10 years too? Cool stuff
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Harisson Wells is probably the Chief from Doom Patrol, with his interest on Barry and metas
When you say pilot has been leaked,you mean the whole episode is out?
Yes you can find it online.
And
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its actually pretty good. A lot of stuff happens. They do get right to the point, he becomes the Flash by the end of the episode. The effects are really good for a TV show. Didn't care too much for the villain. Thought it was gonna be Weather Wizard, but he was named Clyde Mardon, not Mark (brothers?). We'll see how it goes. I liked Crisis on Infinite Earths reference at the end. Some nice setups for the future. Grodd! Also Eddy Thawne, we'll see how that goes. All in all I liked it, nice setup and it left me wanting more.
Quote from: bat1987 on June 30, 2014, 09:13:59 AM
Yes you can find it online.
And
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its actually pretty good. A lot of stuff happens. They do get right to the point, he becomes the Flash by the end of the episode. The effects are really good for a TV show. Didn't care too much for the villain. Thought it was gonna be Weather Wizard, but he was named Clyde Mardon, not Mark (brothers?). We'll see how it goes. I liked Crisis on Infinite Earths reference at the end. Some nice setups for the future. Grodd! Also Eddy Thawne, we'll see how that goes. All in all I liked it, nice setup and it left me wanting more.
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Yeah, I think the current WW from before New 52 originally stole the wand from his brother, not sure but I read some Flash comics that reference this
Cool,of to find it.
When stuff like this gets "leaked" I wonder if it was by accident or to get the word of mouth out on the net???
Yeah I wonder about that too. If it's intentional I wish they'd just release it.
I hate that I'm going to have to wait til so much later after so many people have seen it but I'm not going to steal it.
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 30, 2014, 12:52:45 PM
When stuff like this gets "leaked" I wonder if it was by accident or to get the word of mouth out on the net???
I think the same thing at times. You can see the strategy. Its almost a free way of estimating your ratings without too much compromise on views when you actually air your pilot, especially in the cases when "a couple of scenes were omitted from the leaked cut". Folks are still gonna watch TV.
A lot of people work on production, but very few of them actually have access to the final cut.
I happened to find it.. thanks to some friends who were anxiously awaiting Arrow and The Flash as much as I was.
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I was very happy with it.. lots of easter eggs and nods to the '80s Flash show in Barry's Dad. I'm assuming that Metas will be showing up in BOTH Arrow and The Flash from this point forward. Looking forward to what comes next!
- CQ
Great episode.
Grods cage was an interesting easter egg.
So anyone thinks that guy from STAR labs is The Chief?
Quote from: Spade on June 30, 2014, 06:17:52 PM
Great episode.
Grods cage was an interesting easter egg.
So anyone thinks that guy from STAR labs is The Chief?
I know I shouldn't be reading this thread before I watch it but I have a habit on clicking ones where I've made a comment, so I'd really appreciate liberal use of spoiler tags. Sori for being that guy.
I was just going to say that, Guys please put spoiler tags if you're going to talk about the episode. Thanks
Just saw the first episode and this show is going to be awesome. I can see crossovers, the Rogue, Zoom, and much more coming to the show if they continue doing this show right.
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The conversation Barry had with GA was the best part
Sorry,guys sometimes I post from my phone so I cant add spoiler tags.
Solid pilot episode, and I haven't been a booster of this show as an idea so far.
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The FX work isn't bad for a TV budget, something that'll hopefully continue, and CW angsty-ness wasn't as bad as some of their programming can be. The stuff with Barry as a kid, running from bullies was a little on the nose, and the Arrow crossover comes out of left field if you aren't watching that show, but it's got potential.
Quote from: detourne_me on June 29, 2014, 12:01:16 PM
So the pilot has been leaked! Has anybody else seen it?
I've got to say that I am a huge fan of Arrow, and this show is shaping up to be just as good....if they can keep the special effects budget up.
Of course there was the obligatory CW teenage romance type plots, and a few cringeworthy dialog moments, but I like how this show is going to be a bit more bright and fantastic as opposed to Arrow's grim n gritty.
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first, I guess the race switch for Wally West is going to carry through to the TV show too, if they ever introduce him... I hope they will.
There's already a will they/won't they tension building between Barry and Iris, but mix Eddie Thawne in as her new boyfriend, and of course Felicity is still interested in Barry.
The special FX are outstanding, I'm hoping the budget will stay that way for the series. His costume is really well done, too.
Here are some more specific show spoilers....
Spoiler
John Wesley Shipp as Barry's dad was a nice touch!
Grodd!!!
Who is Harrison Wells? Could he be a future Bart Allen? Dr. Zoom? Metron even?
Did they predict a crisis on infinite earths in 10 years too? Cool stuff
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I was hoping John Wesley Shipp was going to be Max Mercury instead of his dad.
I thought they crammed way too much into a single episode. You have Barry's entire tragic childhood backstory, superhero origin, day job, cast of supporting allies and villains, love interest, love rival, costume, mentors, first super villain, Easter Eggs galore, and a pretty decent mastery of his powers all in a single episode. The story seemed to jump around a lot from location to location, and there was a truckload of exposition.
I understand that they probably wanted a strong pilot episode that wrapped up all the "boring" stuff, showed off some cool effects and set The Flash up for superhero adventures immediately in Episode 2, but I really wish they'd paced it a bit better and spread all of this out over at least two episodes.
That said, all the actors, action scenes, costume and special effects were fine and the Easter Eggs were appreciated, particularly
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Gorilla Grodd and the Crisis On Infinite Earths reference
at the end. I also liked the fact that
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Eddie Thawne is introduced as the obvious future bad guy but that Harrison Wells could also be Professor Zoom/Reverse Flash ... I'd actually really prefer Wells to be a villain, tbh, since I like the actor
.
There is plenty of interesting stuff the writers can draw from Mark Waid's and Geoff Johns' run on the comic ... The Flash is generally a lot better comic than, say, Green Arrow. And the CW has churned out some surprisingly cool shows lately, like The Tomorrow People, Star-Crossed and The 100 (two of which have been cancelled, but still...). So, there is potential for The Flash to be good.
Am I the only one who thinks Wells is possibly The Chief and that we could see Doom Patrol down the road?
Could be, but there's a lot of gaps in that theory, and until later episodes fill them in we have no idea what's going down with that.
^ofc,Im just guessing.
BTW we will probably be seeing some metahumans in Arrow,too.
Apparently, Ronald Raymond AKA 1/2 of Firestorm has been cast for the show.
I know nothing about the actor, but he looks entirely CW. At least there's a good reason for Ronny Raymond to be a youngster. It would be cool, unlikely, but still cool, if we got the Ronny/Prof. Stein version of Firestorm. :)
It's Stephen Amell's brother. He was on the Tomorrow People. It was really really stupid but whatever I'm sure he'll be fine.
It's neat, and very surprising, that we're going to see a live action version of Firestorm.
Ugh... just had a forehead slapping epiphany...
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Dr. Harrison Wells... H.G. Wells :rolleyes:
............ OHHHHHH!
SO THAT MEANS..... HE COULD BE........ AAH ERMM GEE......
On another note. Wentworth Miller has been cast as Captain Cold, no complaints there, he's a great actor if you've seen Prison Break.
Speed Trap Trailer (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/the-flash-speed-trap-trailer/)
What Easter Eggs do you see? ^_^
Quote from: Midnite on July 27, 2014, 06:07:43 PM
Speed Trap Trailer (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/the-flash-speed-trap-trailer/)
What Easter Eggs do you see? ^_^
"Can't drive 55" is one! :P
Oh! And if you look really closely after the second car, you can see the Flash running! Don't blink, or you'll miss it!
Interesting casting reported today, Clancy Brown as The General. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=54716)
That's pretty cool, though honestly I find it amusing that both the character and actor appeared in Justice League but not as the same.
Boop, here's a set photo of Miller as Snart
(http://www.flickeringmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/wentworth-miller-on-the-flash-first-set-photos-11-600x897.jpg)
I think this before cold gun Cold, hopefully anyway, while I think that they'll probably design a new costume rather than the goofy eskimo suit. I still hope they keep the glasses.
Edit:
Seems to be Girder is also appearing on Ep6. Cool, it seems that Flash as a series was a good way to go imo, a movie can barely represent his colorful cast of enemies with enough development, and if there's one thing I love about Flash, it's his Rogues.
Quote from: Midnite on July 27, 2014, 06:07:43 PM
Speed Trap Trailer (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/the-flash-speed-trap-trailer/)
What Easter Eggs do you see? ^_^
Billboard for "Palmer Technologies: Bigger Isn't always Better"
On the Crossword Puzzle:
-Grodd
-Starlabs
-Allen
-Ghost... Dad?
-Thunder(Johnny??)
Couldn't see the cup.
Just saw the pilot with my with my wife and we both liked it. Nice story, with a lot of classic comics references and easter eggs, I liked the plot and the promise of a take in the Rogues Gallery (we can't have without the Rogues, right?). The costume works, it have the mandatory "it's not a super-hero costume, it's protective armor" modern look, but it looks like a Flash costume.
The only thing we don't liked:
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The Geoff John take on Barry's parents, I know Johns thinks all DC super-heroes must have a "tragic past", but I like a little diversity, you know. I liked better when Bats and Supes were the orphans with a tragic past, but guys like Barry were allowed the have a normal, happy childhood.
Looking forward to the series.
New Poster For The CW's The Flash (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/new-poster-for-the-cws-the-flash/)
New casting news: Dr. Tina McGee joins this version of the Flash
http://io9.com/another-classic-flash-tv-show-star-joins-the-new-series-1635260640
Reminder: Series premiers tonight.
As long as it isn't at the same time as Agents of SHIELD, I'll be watching.
EDIT: Seems like it isn't, so I will.
8:00 - Flash
9:00 - Agents of Shield
10:00 - Sons of Anarchy
11:00 - Blissful sleep
Yep, that's my Tuesday nights!
Just finished watching it. It was good. Really, really good. The villain was more or less just a side thing wtih all the other things being set up, but still worked well and the fight at the end was done in a very comic book Flash way. I look forward to seeing what else happens.
Quote from: Starman on July 02, 2014, 12:10:05 PM
I thought they crammed way too much into a single episode. You have Barry's entire tragic childhood backstory, superhero origin, day job, cast of supporting allies and villains, love interest, love rival, costume, mentors, first super villain, Easter Eggs galore, and a pretty decent mastery of his powers all in a single episode. The story seemed to jump around a lot from location to location, and there was a truckload of exposition.
I understand that they probably wanted a strong pilot episode that wrapped up all the "boring" stuff, showed off some cool effects and set The Flash up for superhero adventures immediately in Episode 2, but I really wish they'd paced it a bit better and spread all of this out over at least two episodes.
That said, all the actors, action scenes, costume and special effects were fine and the Easter Eggs were appreciated, particularly Spoiler
Gorilla Grodd and the Crisis On Infinite Earths reference
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Eddie Thawne is introduced as the obvious future bad guy but that Harrison Wells could also be Professor Zoom/Reverse Flash ... I'd actually really prefer Wells to be a villain, tbh, since I like the actor
There is plenty of interesting stuff the writers can draw from Mark Waid's and Geoff Johns' run on the comic ... The Flash is generally a lot better comic than, say, Green Arrow. And the CW has churned out some surprisingly cool shows lately, like The Tomorrow People, Star-Crossed and The 100 (two of which have been cancelled, but still...). So, there is potential for The Flash to be good.
I actually agree with all of this. I would have much rather they had stretched the story within another half hour or in another episode. It was a fine start, but they just crammed a whole heck of a lot in one hour. Not too much more I can add from what was said here. Only part I disagree with is Shipp's character.
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Personally, I would have liked to have seen him as Jay Garrick. Don't know how that would work in the show as it is, but... just my opinion. I should also have to add, I'm really curious to see more from Amanda Pays. I remember enjoying her character from the old show, but since she's playing the same character, I wonder how that will be played(if at all).
I liked it. It was jam packed but I like how they've set things up with Star Labs.
A couple highlights:
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I was pleasantly surprised that Detective West has already discovered Barry's powers. A nice way to set it apart from Arrow.
Very happy to see teases of Grodd and Zoom.
It's funny because I didn't mind that they jammed the episode with all that stuff, on the other hand I not a big fan of The Flash. It did bother me when they did it to Gotham. All-in-all, I'm expecting a crossover sooner or later with Arrow.
I was very VERY pleased with the show and agree with both of Podmark's hilights. It's a lot of fun, definitely "brighter" than Arrow, and takes itself just seriously enough.
Really liking the core cast too.
So, I'm Netflixing Arrow before I start watching Season 3. I've gotten up to episode 10 and it makes a little more sense now.
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I thought it was a little funny that they were talking about the Particle Accelerator through the first few episodes of Arrow's 2nd season. But splicing Flash's origin at the same time, fitting the same timeline of Arrow. Barry's storyline was 10 episodes in, December-January, which would put the Flash's costumed appearance about now. A frame-by-frame copy from Arrow to the Flash plays a lot better now. It's not as quick of a start as I thought originally. Now that I saw Barry's intro, who he is, how he acts, characterize him more. It's not really essential, but it explains more about the character than the premiere did. Seemingly.
Real smooth.
Looks like Flash'll get new duds sooner or later, hopefully sooner. The current one doesn't exactly look like The Flash that much.
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(http://i58.tinypic.com/16233uq.png)
Spoiler of upcoming (no doubt late in the season) villain appearance:
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Reverse Flash, on set
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=108943
Goodness, he's a bulky speedster.
I'm trying to figure out if the costume is meant to be black on bottom, or if that's charring from something that happened earlier, possibly plot related.
EDIT AAAAAAAND... they just announced casting for ep 12: Victor Garber as Dr. Martin Stein and Robbie Amell (yes related to Arrow's Amell) as Ronnie Raymond.
They're doing Firestorm.
They're FRICKING DOING FIRESTORM IN LIVE ACTION :blink:
Nothing against Firestorm, only that on the list of characters I expected to get a live action treatment, he's not even on there. This is unexpected.
Yeah, I heard about that a while ago. It's fairly insane.
As for the villain, his costume is half right...and it's sorta' weird. It's like they though, 'ehh, that's good enough.'
Yay!
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Reverse Flash! When the show was announced I was kinda wondering if they'd go there. It might seem like a weird question, but I could see the creators not wanting a second Flash character, or holding off on him for a long time.
I wonder if they'll do Grodd? (yes there was the easter egg but that doesn't mean they'll go any further). I wonder how they'd do Grodd??
I kinda like the costume, but I should really wait to see more before passing any judgement.
BTW, did anyone notice the Easter Egg in the last Easter Egg in the last minute of the show?
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The newspaper that previewed a "Crisis" it also had an article below it mentioning a merger of "Wayne Tech" and Queen Inc.
I know there's been a pretty effective "Bat" Embargo, but I couldn't have imagined this would have made it through without other possible Batman attached items to pop up in the Arrow/Flash Universe.
Episode 2:
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Wow! This show is off to a great start. We found out that Ronnie was MIA because of the dark matter wave. So we know Firestorm is gonna be powered. Also Multiplex got introduced too, along with Simon Stagg... So maybe Metamorpho is still a possibility.
I really like how lighthearted this show is in contrast to Arrow. And the science hero aspects of it are pretty cool!
Okay, silly question...
In the opening scene of Ep 2, the shirt Francisco is wearing... what is that an insignia of? I feel I should know it, but I can't place it exactly. I'm 99.9% sure it's an easter egg of some kind.
I like that they've found a way to bring the supervillain names into it. A pretty great second episode with action, drama and a better take on the calorie problem than the older series. The contrast between the two mentor characters was great and I'm liking all the Star Lab characters so far.
With this show and Agents of SHIELD, Tuesdays are a great tv night for me.
Do you guys know if this show pops up anywhere online (legally)?
I don't get cable nor dish at my house, so I'm limited to what's on the web.
It's currently on hulu. First episode is free and the second one is not. Looks like you can watch them for free there 8 days after they air, which should do it for you. You'll be a week behind, but that shouldn't be so bad.
My one complaint...
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they need to stop killing off the villains in one appearance! At this rate, who is the Flash going to be fighting by the (hypothetical) third season?
Still, really enjoyed the second episode.
Talavar
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C'mon, you really think a guy who can replicate himself is dead that easily? He'll be back I'm willing to bet. Heck, he didn't even get a supervillainy name until the epilogues.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 15, 2014, 11:59:42 PM
It's currently on hulu. First episode is free and the second one is not. Looks like you can watch them for free there 8 days after they air, which should do it for you. You'll be a week behind, but that shouldn't be so bad.
That's fine with me! Thanks, Cat! :thumbup:
I enjoyed the second episode as well. I like how the more heroic, brighter tone contrasts with Arrow.
I'm very curious where things are going with Professor Wells.
Quote from: Glitch Girl on October 16, 2014, 03:36:41 AM
Talavar
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C'mon, you really think a guy who can replicate himself is dead that easily? He'll be back I'm willing to bet. Heck, he didn't even get a supervillainy name until the epilogues.
I certainly hope so. And maybe they'll find an out for the first episode villain as well.
Talavar
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Traditionally, it's his BROTHER who's Weather Wizard. That same brother who was in the plane with him when the pulse happened who we haven't actually seen yet.
Quote from: Glitch Girl on October 16, 2014, 05:26:37 PM
Talavar
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Traditionally, it's his BROTHER who's Weather Wizard. That same brother who was in the plane with him when the pulse happened who we haven't actually seen yet.
Touche. I never caught the character's name, so just assumed they were one and the same.
I finally got to see ep.2 and twas good. I really want to see Wally. Given the angle CW has taken with the West family I think Wally would be interesting.
After being so disappointed with "Gotham" (I stopped watching after episode 3), I was really hesitant to see how Flash would go. I finally watched the first 3 episodes, and I have to say, I am not disappointed in in the least, quite the opposite. So far, this has really been a great show. I really hope it can keep up the pace.
Good news for the Flash: the premiere was the CW's highest rated show. Ever!
Liking The Flash more than I did the first season of Arrow. Captain Cold was great in the latest episode.
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It's weird that he wasn't the one that invented the cold gun, but it's not that bad, the gun creation created a nice conflict in the Flash team. The smirk that Snart had when Cisco called him Captain Cold was awesome. Felicity works really well with Barry, such a great dynamic. I liked the train scene as well. Oh and Heatwave!
@Talavar
Woo hoo!
this latest episode was great! Lots of great bits like
- "When a man... loves a woman"
- the other "freeze gun"
- Felicity in general
- Easter Egg (had to look this one up) - Museum docent Dexter Myles, eventual curator of the Flash Museum.
Quote from: bat1987 on October 29, 2014, 12:02:23 PM
Liking The Flash more than I did the first season of Arrow. Captain Cold was great in the latest episode.
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It's weird that he wasn't the one that invented the cold gun, but it's not that bad, the gun creation created a nice conflict in the Flash team. The smirk that Snart had when Cisco called him Captain Cold was awesome. Felicity works really well with Barry, such a great dynamic. I liked the train scene as well. Oh and Heatwave!
I agree with this.
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I'm not sure if just good acting or what, but Miller really sold that smirk. I like how he had the look of Captain Cold WITHOUT it looking campy and goofy and he didn't just get defeated. I was anticipating how a guy with no powers would able to match up with a guy with super speed and they made it believable enough. And the Felicity/Barry relationship was fun to see. The train scene worked really well. I figured they wouldn't put to characters in two different shows together, but I'm glad they addressed it the way they did though.
I enjoyed it.
A fun ti-bit
https://tv.yahoo.com/news/flash-justice-league-easter-egg-190000657.html
The crossover was an exceptionally good crossover, Captain Cold managed to come across as a real threat, without even needed any powers. Really, really great.
Felicity is the best character on any of these shows.
I am furious... FURIOUS... that they are calling him the Blur. That's not funny even as a joke. I can't deal with that crap again.
Like most of you, I really enjoyed the most recent episode. Bring on the Rogues!
Loved this week episode.
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Captain Cold was awesome, and I am so happy that he got away.
Felicity was a lot of fun in this. I'm actually not a huge fan of her in Arrow, I find that when she's in it a lot she pulls the show away from it's gritty core - she works better on Arrow in smaller bits for me - but she fits perfectly in Flash. I loved the exchange where she had to come up with excuses for Barry disappearing.
Flash is really impressing me. And better yet I think it's existence helps Arrow, I found last season the show strayed from it's core too much and started to remind me of Smallville a little bit here and there (not good for Arrow). But having the Flash the creators seem to have a better handle on each shows identity. And with SHIELD so much better this year it makes for a great line up of comic shows on TV.
Quote from: BWPS on October 30, 2014, 12:19:10 AM
Felicity is the best character on any of these shows.
I am furious... FURIOUS... that they are calling him the Blur. That's not funny even as a joke. I can't deal with that crap again.
Felicity is awesome
Don't put too much about him being called the Blur or the Streak (which had me laughing). Remember the beginning of Arrow, he was called The Hood and the Vigilante
Ya I don't mind it that much since he calls himself The Flash in the intro, and has come up with the name but was interupted before revealing it. He went "the fla...". And lol the hood was annoying Jey, true
It would have been cool if they tied Flash being called Blur or Streak to the Smallville series.
I have come under the conclusion that if DC wants to make a successful movie universe franchise then these are the people they should be putting in charge of it, because they know how to handle like action superheroes. They also seem to realize that the Flash is obviously a fantasy, so how cares if running up the side of a building or across water makes any sense. It's cool. It's the Flash. They're doing those kinds of signature things and it's awesome.
This latest episode welcome Clancy Brown back to the DC Universe. While I loved his performance as Luthor in the DC Universe, it turns out he makes a fantastic General Eiling too. Loved his performance here and look forward to seeing more from him.
Also this episode sets up something that everyone (including the show's producers and writers apparently) assumed was just an Easter egg but now appears to actually be happening
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Gorilla Grodd! We even get his origins as an experiment in psychic interrogation.
This show is really good. Loved the latest episode.
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Ya the thing with Grodd was awesome, can't wait to see how they pull it off.
The symmetry:
Clancy Brown plays General Eiling in the LIVE ACTION show "The Flash"... The Flash is played by Michael Rosenbaum in the ANIMATED "Justice League" and "Justice League Unlimited" series... Michael Rosenbaum plays Lex Luthor in the LIVE ACTION "Smallville"... Clancy Brown plays Lex Luthor in the ANIMATED "Superman", "Justice League" and "Justice League Unlimited" series.
It's like destiny.
So finally he gets his name.
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Reverse Flash's appearance was surprising. Could he be Wells, or is wells as well intentioned as he acts? We know he's hiding something, but is it sinister or merely extreme?
Firestorm is at least mentioned in passing. Nice that they're continuing setting things up.
Villain was only there to service the other plot threads, namely Iris putting herself in danger and Barry continuing to push his speed.
Wells must be part chicken after laying all those Easter Eggs last night.
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He mentions those "killed" by the particle accelerator surge.
Quote from: Kaitie KudaraThey were: the two kids that died trying to save Blackout, Al Rothstein, Ronnie Raymond, Grant Emerson, Will Everett, Bea De Costa, and Ralph Dibny.... otherwise known as Atom, Firestorm, Damage, Amazing Man, Fire, and the Elongated Man.
I had to look it up, because my brain stopped at "Ralph Dibny" too.
I wouldn't be surprised if they all weren't actually dead. After all, Ronnie isn't.
Next week Wells will have to do the chicken dance...LOL
Oooo... look who's going to be making an appearance!
http://www.themarysue.com/mark-hamill-the-flash/
Glorious!
That is pretty amazing news.
Just saw the fall finale. Lots of stuff happened.
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The Reverse-Flash appears and he is--Dr. Wells! Or maybe a robot controlled by Dr. Wells. Something like that.
Firestorm debuts and even shows up to assist the Flash! He isn't quite himself though. My guess is because like the comics, he's a fused person, so he really isn't Ronny. Not entirely.
Cisco realizes after the fight that there were two speedsters at his mother's death. It seems pretty likely that Barry and Reverse will time travel at some point and well will see the death from Barry's perspective.
Definitely look forward to the spring episodes and the debut of the Rogues.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 10, 2014, 02:16:34 AM
Just saw the fall finale. Lots of stuff happened.
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The Reverse-Flash appears and he is--Dr. Wells! Or maybe a robot controlled by Dr. Wells. Something like that.
Firestorm debuts and even shows up to assist the Flash! He isn't quite himself though. My guess is because like the comics, he's a fused person, so he really isn't Ronny. Not entirely.
Cisco realizes after the fight that there were two speedsters at his mother's death. It seems pretty likely that Barry and Reverse will time travel at some point and well will see the death from Barry's perspective.
Definitely look forward to the spring episodes and the debut of the Rogues.
Comics spoiler
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Barry and Reverse do fight at the time Barry's mother died, its more or less what happens in the comics.
On to the episode
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Really strong mid season finale. Hope they expand on firestorm's powers. Reverse was very creppy, I liked it a lot. Can't wait to see more of him. Def seems like Wells was Reverse Flash. He might be Thawne's descendant, that's why he kept him alive I guess. Not much family resemblance though. Can't wait to see Grodd, the rouges, more of the reverse Flash etc. This is IMO the best super hero show on TV.
The last few episodes of The Flash have been pretty great, IMO. They nailed Reverse Flash and I'm actually intrigued by Harrison Wells' identity and motivation. It was always pretty obvious that the red and yellow blurs at Barry's mum's death were going to be The Flash and Reverse Flash fighting via time travel, though.
That last episode was awesome! I usually get my TV series fix while doing some walking on my treadmill. This episode was so good that I kept going even after my required daily amount of treadmill. Reverse Flash was perfect. It'll be good to see how he's pulled off in this series. Firestorm was great...better than expected.
Do we really have to wait until January 20?!?!?!?! Cruel world!
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I didn't like that Barry told his feelings to Iris. I really wish he would chase after Felicity or another woman instead.
Fall finale was awesome!
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Reverse Flash was really cool. And it certainly seems like he's Harrison is him, but I think there might be more to it.
Glad they revealed Barry's feelings for Iris. They could have played card for multiple seasons if they wanted but they didn't. One thing I like about this show is it moves pretty...fast.
I have seen some great theories on Harrison's true identity:
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Some believe he's actually Barry from the future. I think it's true. Tom Cavanagh and Grant Gustin do look similar and the there are similarities in how they act. Not sure what his motivations would be though.
Didnt visit in a while,but besides that...I honestly didnt like Grant Gustin at first,but I like him now.Crossovers with Arrow were awessome.Love how the writers got that "Who would win?" thing going on.
Firestorm costume
http://comicbook.com/2015/01/11/the-flash-first-look-at-robbie-amells-full-firestorm-costume/
It's pretty basic, I hope they add more to it with SFX
There was already a set picture of the actor in the costume quite a while ago, actually.
Anyhow, looking forward to Flash's return.
In a move that should surprise no one, Flash has been renewed for a second season. Also, annual crossovers with Arrow.
I'm so happy this is back on the air. This latest episode left a bit to be desired, but was overall very good.
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Was that Batista from GotG and WWE?
The Scofield brothers are back in action. :)
Ohhhh. that explains why the guy looks like Batista without the size. I haven't seen Prison Break in ages.
Excited for this show's return.
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The episode was not as good as i hoped but was still good enough.
Purcell and Miller went a bit over the top with their performances at times, I knew they were going for it, but they overdid it I think. Heat Wave's scene with Caitlin was good. Cold had some good moments but I prefer his first appearance. After that final fight, maybe Barry is getting a new costume?
Good episode and of course it's the beginning of a bigger story which I think will either end the first season or start off the second season
Cold will be back at least one more time this season, plus Pied Piper coming up next, so it should be fun.
Some BIG things snuck in here about Wells this episode
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He has super speed and is seen using it will out of costume.
His powers are unstable. Specifically, his connection to the Speed Force is unstable. Yes, the Speed Force was mentioned by name!
The tachyon device is the only thing stabilizing his speed, and only just barely--but he has something else up his sleeve.
I'm wondering if all this was so that he could steal Barry's speed.
If what you said is true....
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Then how does that work with them going back in time??
Wasnt that Royal Flush gang in the intro?I thought they already appeared on Arrow,kinda different?
There's always a family or gang that takes up the mantle of The Royal Flush gang
Thats what I thought,too.
So,what do you guys think about Felicity and Ray coming to Flash?
I can't wait to see the ATOM. I wish they would stop teasing.
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Where did Feli get a quantum processor?
From Flash facebook page: Marvel may have Spiderman in 2017,but we have FIRESTORM tonight!
From Flash facebook page: Marvel may have Spiderman in 2017,but we have FIRESTORM tonight!
For some crazy reason I was thinking this show started at 9 and missed it completely.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now I have to either shell out 5 bucks for Hulu subscription or remain several weeks behind for the entire rest of the season.
Can I scream again?
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on February 11, 2015, 02:09:09 AM
For some crazy reason I was thinking this show started at 9 and missed it completely.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now I have to either shell out 5 bucks for Hulu subscription or remain several weeks behind for the entire rest of the season.
Can I scream again?
They'll have the episode up on CWTV.com, tomorrow :)
Quote from: spydermann93 on February 11, 2015, 04:00:59 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on February 11, 2015, 02:09:09 AM
For some crazy reason I was thinking this show started at 9 and missed it completely.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now I have to either shell out 5 bucks for Hulu subscription or remain several weeks behind for the entire rest of the season.
Can I scream again?
They'll have the episode up on CWTV.com, tomorrow :)
So why make Hulu wait a week. Oh well, if I can watch it there, I will, and will be ever so grateful.
I'm still cranky about forgetting the time like that.
I think the lighting chose you,Barry.It makes sense now.
Iris is a witch with a capital B,btw.
Quote from: Spade on February 12, 2015, 06:33:22 AM
I think the lighting chose you,Barry.It makes sense now.
Iris is a witch with a capital B,btw.
No. That's just how women are about these kinds of things.
Does thinking of dead puppies really help with...stamina?
Or at least on CW,they are.
And that Ciskos joke wasnt that funny...btw Barry can vibrate any part of his body?Think about that...
Quote from: Spade on February 12, 2015, 12:15:09 PM
Or at least on CW,they are.
And that Ciskos joke wasnt that funny...btw Barry can vibrate any part of his body?Think about that...
Whoa!
Quote from: Spade on February 12, 2015, 12:15:09 PM
Or at least on CW,they are.
And that Ciskos joke wasnt that funny...btw Barry can vibrate any part of his body?Think about that...
Oh I'm thinking about it Spade. On those cold lonely nights it's all I can think about ;)
Too much info,dude...
Anyway Grodd appearing,how about that? :)
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Quote from: spydermann93 on February 11, 2015, 04:00:59 AM
They'll have the episode up on CWTV.com, tomorrow :)
So why make Hulu wait a week. Oh well, if I can watch it there, I will, and will be ever so grateful.
If it's anything like the Canadian equivalent, which I use for shows quite often (Constantine and CSI, usually) it'll only be on for a week or two. The Hulu version, I assume (if it's anything like Netflix, or the new Canadian Bell service "Crave") will have the episodes for much longer (since, you know, you have to pay for them)
I will say that while I won't call Iris a bad word, she is following in the footsteps of Lana Lang and Laurel Lance in being less appealing than other love interests in the show. Only two episodes in I already think Barry and Linda make a cute couple. Even if it is a little weird that Barry's putting the moves on Wally's longtime love interest.
Incidentally that song Caitlain made Barry sing at Karaoke was stuck in my head for a like a week.
It might be worth investing in a VPN so that you can login to countries that get shows less than 24 hours after they premiere on American TV. I usually watch Flash the morning after an episode aired in the US, because it's up on Chinese versions of Hulu. Yes it is HD.
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Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on February 11, 2015, 04:22:17 AM
Quote from: spydermann93 on February 11, 2015, 04:00:59 AM
They'll have the episode up on CWTV.com, tomorrow :)
So why make Hulu wait a week. Oh well, if I can watch it there, I will, and will be ever so grateful.
If it's anything like the Canadian equivalent, which I use for shows quite often (Constantine and CSI, usually) it'll only be on for a week or two. The Hulu version, I assume (if it's anything like Netflix, or the new Canadian Bell service "Crave") will have the episodes for much longer (since, you know, you have to pay for them)
I will say that while I won't call Iris a bad word, she is following in the footsteps of Lana Lang and Laurel Lance in being less appealing than other love interests in the show. Only two episodes in I already think Barry and Linda make a cute couple. Even if it is a little weird that Barry's putting the moves on Wally's longtime love interest.
Incidentally that song Caitlain made Barry sing at Karaoke was stuck in my head for a like a week.
Nah, if I paid for Hulu, I could watch it the day after. It's us free people that have to wait a week.
But if you pay nothing and watch it on wb.com instead, its available the next day.
It's like wb is intentionally sabotaging Hulu or something.
None of those work in my country,so you shouldnt really complain. XD
Turns out that picture of Firestorm in costume, wasn't actually a costume. It was just Ronny with a device attached to his jacket that lets him control the merging/separating. We haven't seen the actual Firestorm costume yet.
Any, this ends the two-part Firestorm focused episode and I did enjoy it.
Also, more Grodd. Furthermore, they are doing Grodd exactly how I was hoping they would.
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Grodd does indeed talk, but only telepathically. That to me is a good way to do it.
That was more awesomeness. It was so good that I wish I was 10 years in the future so I could keep watching back to back episodes. Firestorm is really done well. I don't expect a spinoff, but some appearances in Arrow would be cool.
Grodd is a little too much in CGI,if you catch my drift...
Grodd is going to be a big issue in the series. They keep mentioning him or dropping hints about all through the season. I hope they keep him around and let him appear every once in a while.
He did appear in this episode and even spoke. Plus we find out that
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He is apparently working with the Reverse Flash.
Never thought I'd live to see the day.
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Firestorm, Reverse Flash, AND Grodd all in the same episode... In LIVE ACTION no less...
Interesting trivia--the actor who plays Ronnie is the cousin of the one who plays Oliver Queen in Arrow.
^Yep,Stephen Amell and Robbie Amell. :)
Maybe there will be some version of Legion of Doom in the future?
From some things said at a con panel, it looks like a version of Wally West/Kid Flash will almost certainly be joining the show for Season 2. I was expecting this, but it's still nice to get confirmed. Definitely looking forward to the new episodes.
Lots of big reveals, a shocking death, and an in-universe retcon in the brand new episode.
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Wells is confirmed to be the assumed identity of Eobard Thawne, who has been trapped back in the present. Eddie is his ancestor. He's been after the flash in order to use his speed to go back to his own time. He apparently went back in time in the first place to kill Barry as a child, but that apparently did not go well.
In the meantime, Eobard kill Cisco, Barry is forced to share his secret with Iris, then he accidentally travels back in time to the beginning of the episode and undos it all.
Time travel wierdness to follow text episode.
Pretty great episode all in all. Good to finally get some solid answers about Wells.
Good episode, and
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the scene with Wells at the end and Barry travelling back through time were awesome. I look forward to the next one.
Tom Cavanagh has really impressed me in this show. I only knew him from his guest spots in Scrubs and I really didn't think he'd work well in a super hero show. Instead he's one of my favourite things in the show. That scene with Cisco was gripping.
Wow, great episode. I'm too hyped right now to say anything else about it....Wooooooo!
Nobody comments about Startacus being WW?
My jaw is still dropped. Awesome stuff!
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Cisco was killed, but I doubt he's dead...besides he still has to become a meta-human himself. I was suspecting that Barry's father would say that he did kill his wife, because he's never straight up denied it in any episode of the flash. I was so hoping there would be no reveal between Barry and Iriis. It would have been much more realistic for me. But...I'm watching a TV program abot a guy who can run backwards in time....
Tom Cavanaugh's acting was great in this episode. What a subtle actor.
The special effects for Weather Wizard were also pretty amazing for a TV show.
The ending to that episode really was intense. The scene with Wells really had me pumped up, as did the stuff with Barry at the end. Really looking forward to the next one.
Never seen Spartacus, so I didn't realize at first the guy from Weather Wizard was him. I'd heard a lot of the actors for villains in Arrow and Flash are from that show though, so it doesn't surprise me.
Deathstroke, Amanda Waller, Captain Boomerang, Nyssa and Weather Wizard are all Spartacus alumni.
BTW, you should really watch Spartacus ... it's a great TV show.
Im expecting Dustin Clare(Gannicus) to appear very soon ;)
Case in point: I have absolutely no idea who that is. :lol:
Spartacus cast,again...
Spartacus was good but after a season I couldn't stand that way of talking. I thought it was cool at first, but it started getting crappy.
Next week's episode can't come fast enough!!!
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I was really sad to see Cisco die! His face was just heartbreaking. Cisco being killed by a man that he respected and cared for so much was such a heart-jerking moment, ESPECIALLY with Wells' dialog as he was about to kill Cisco.
Given what the Flash did at the end, though, it's pretty clear that Cisco has another shot at living (if Barry can figure out Wells' motives before Cisco gets killed again!). Do you guys think that he'll tell Wells that he could time travel, thus preventing Cisco's death?
I was really excited to see the Flash accomplish another really awesome feat, and I was really happy about the homage to the Weather Wizard's "Weather Wand".
I just saw the TV ad for the next episode feature Mark Hamill as the Trickster. Much to my surprise the old TV show's costume and screenshots are used in some photos of the Trickster in his younger days. Quite cool!
This week's episode was good. Not as good as last week's but good.
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Really like Snart's "I'm the smartest guy in the room" attitude. The glitter gun was silly (I'm assuming it's some sort of glitter she's firing, not an actual gold, since they'd be morons if they are still robbers after acquiring that). Wells' and Cisco's scene was really good when you consider how it played out last week. Can't wait to see what's Barry gonna find out about Wells.
I really prefer the seriousness of Reverse Flash as opposed to how camp Captain Cold is being played. Don't even get me started on how OTT Heatwave is.
If they make Mirror Master (who sshould be played John Hannah to continue the Spartacus theme) a silly guy with a Scottish accent, I'll be disappointed.
Captain Cold needs to team up with Cupid from Arrow and be the villains on another show that I can never watch. Oh, or they could team up with that Murmur guy and also cut their tongues out. Or they can just not have them be on the shows anymore.
They're so frelling lame and either bad at acting or they just don't take the show seriously enough to do their jobs correctly. It is very jarring and I dislike them immensely.
On the contrary, I love their version of Captain Cold and consider him my favorite villain on the show, so to each their own.
Captain Cold is... back and forth with me. There's something solid there, and the actor does a good job... but I feel like they're trying waaaay too hard with him right now. I feel like I'll appreciate him more once the character is better established and they can just let Miller do his thing.
That said, the scenes between Cold and his sister in the latest episode were really fun, probably my favorites since they introduced the character. I feel like we got to see some of the humanity to the character, rather than the robotic "I am cold. I am awesome. Watch me be awesome." thing they've been hammering into the ground.
I do think we could use a break from him for the rest of the season. Really looking forward to the Trickster next week.
Cold is the best villain in this show IMO.
You think Eddie will get powers here?
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It should be noted that the above picture contains possible spoilers for Arrow as well.
Mark Hamill was terrific as Trickster Sr. Really great, classic episode and I loved the old series costume making its appearance. We also get Wells' backstory.
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Wells is not actually Eobard Thawne. Thawne killed the real Wells and his wife and stole his appearance and identity. He did so to make the Flash appear early than he normally would have so he could tap into the Speed Force and get back home.
Barry is now fully aware that the man he knows as Wells is the Reverse Flash and Eddie now knows the full story too.
Mark is voice acting genius! Has it really be 20 years since the original Flash series?
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"I am your father" That was classic! I loved it! I'm glad Harrison Wells didn't kill Barry's moms. But still no one is actually up and denying the killing or admitting to it.
So what kind of pseudo-science can be applied here? Can the body absorb tachyons to substitute for Speed Force?
Axel,I am your father! :thumbup:
Brilliant
Quote from: Spade on April 01, 2015, 11:48:10 AM
Axel,I am your father! :thumbup:
Brilliant
Yes it was. That was so brilliant it was worth building an entire episode around just that line.
I've heard someone compare Wenthworth Miller as Captain Cold to Albert Wesker from the later Resident Evil games, which I can kinda see. I don't love him, but I don't really dislike him though. I don't get the impression he's a very good actor on this show though.
Hamill was incredibly entertaining. Not quite as good as some of his best Joker VO material, but definitely a treat to see him do that kind of performance in live action (I've never seen the 90's Flash show, so my only other time seeing that, sadly, was in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back).
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I really wish we saw more of an aftermath of what happened to him and Axel after Flash foiled their plans. It really reminded me of the time in Arrow when Ollie won a fight with China White, fled the cops with her right there and we just didn't see her again until a later storyarc. Superhero comics and many of their adaptations are usually really good about having the obligatory scene of the villain being taken away or in jail.
I'm of two minds of the Thawn/Well reveal in this episode. On the one hand, it strengthens the connection with Eddie and gives some context to Well's backstory. On the other hand, it means that Tom Cavanagh is effectively playing a mask, which cheapens the performance a bit for me, and I think the actor for Eobard Thawn will come up short if we see him more. Secondly, he's a time traveller named after H.G. Wells. That sounds 1) like an alias he would make up, and 2) like the kind of name a Silver Age Flash villain would have for their real name anyways.
[edit] Oh, I just remembered something I wanted to bring up from an earlier episode. "But does your heart ache for me?" Ugh. Pre-quel era George Lucas is looking at that line and going "Yeah, that's a little sappy."
Quote from: Spade on April 01, 2015, 11:48:10 AM
Axel,I am your father! :thumbup:
Brilliant
That and "My Breaking bad season 5" line were beyond awesome!
A deadly bee weapon.Bees.My God.
I had to say that,sorry. XD
It was an okay episode,actually. :)
Quote from: Spade on April 15, 2015, 08:10:27 AM
A deadly bee weapon.Bees.My God.
I had to say that,sorry. XD
It was an okay episode,actually. :)
If you hadn't, I would have.
The whole Eddie/Iris thing felt forced. Wasn't fan of the villain either. Rest of the episode I really liked. Felicity's "never had a nemesis" moment was awesome.
Its a bird!Its a plane!Its Ray?
Who looks like Iron man more and more.He comments about going smaller,thou.
Quote from: Tomato on April 15, 2015, 01:45:00 PM
Quote from: Spade on April 15, 2015, 08:10:27 AM
A deadly bee weapon.Bees.My God.
I had to say that,sorry. XD
It was an okay episode,actually. :)
If you hadn't, I would have.
Me, too :P
Quote from: spydermann93 on April 15, 2015, 06:50:54 PM
Quote from: Tomato on April 15, 2015, 01:45:00 PM
Quote from: Spade on April 15, 2015, 08:10:27 AM
A deadly bee weapon.Bees.My God.
I had to say that,sorry. XD
It was an okay episode,actually. :)
If you hadn't, I would have.
Me, too :P
C'mon guys, not every episode is going to be dipped in golden greatness ( I like that! :thumbup: ) I think you guys have been spoiled by so many great episodes.
Quote from: JeyNyce on April 15, 2015, 08:15:17 PM
C'mon guys, not every episode is going to be dipped in golden greatness ( I like that! :thumbup: ) I think you guys have been spoiled by so many great episodes.
I haven't seen the episode, yet (I really hope to, tonight!). ^_^
It's just a running joke from a bad comic reviewer named "Linkara" :P
Is this Ray Palmer or Christian Grey? It's clear the writers have been taking some of the finer parts of the relationship between Ray and Felicity from the pages of 50 shades of Grey. LOL!
Quote from: thalaw2 on April 16, 2015, 06:44:18 AM
Is this Ray Palmer or Christian Grey? It's clear the writers have been taking some of the finer parts of the relationship between Ray and Felicity from the pages of 50 shades of Grey. LOL!
Oliver: I think you and Palmer could be related;after hearing Ray go into a rant. XD
I like that they want to keep it fun and lighthearted but I wish they'd dial back the corn. All of the villains except Wells and Grodd are awful, with the bee lady being the worst yet. Both Ray and Felicity were written too goofy as well. Still a good episode, I just think they could stand to take the show more seriously.
Quote from: Spade on April 16, 2015, 07:00:46 AM
Quote from: thalaw2 on April 16, 2015, 06:44:18 AM
Is this Ray Palmer or Christian Grey? It's clear the writers have been taking some of the finer parts of the relationship between Ray and Felicity from the pages of 50 shades of Grey. LOL!
Oliver: I think you and Palmer could be related;after hearing Ray go into a rant. XD
Maybe that was a reference to how Einstein married his cousin.
Was Ray driving an Audi at th end of the latest episode of Arrow? Awesome inside joke if he was. I didn't know that Stephen Amell was considered to pay the role of Christian Grey. It all kind of ties in now.
Anyone reading Season Zero? :)
Who sent those drones after Felicity?Bug eyed bandit?
I have only one thing to say about this episode:
Even if the character first appeared in the comic 52......"Hannibal Bates". Really with that name? I can't decide if that's lamer than James Jesse.
Next episode's preview however....oh boy....
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Is Cisco about to become Vibe? Dis gonna be gud.
AT LEAST Cisko likes Laurel as Black Canary.Thats one...
Quote from: Silver Shocker on April 22, 2015, 05:48:11 AM
I have only one thing to say about this episode:
Even if the character first appeared in the comic 52......"Hannibal Bates". Really with that name? I can't decide if that's lamer than James Jesse.
Next episode's preview however....oh boy....
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Is Cisco about to become Vibe? Dis gonna be gud.
I was thinking Hannibal Bates was a bit of homage to Norman Bates and Hannibal Lector...
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imitated his grandma...lol
Next episode looks awesome. I haven't felt so giddy in decades.
Quote from: Spade on April 22, 2015, 12:10:46 PM
AT LEAST Cisko likes Laurel as Black Canary.Thats one...
She was more likable here than in past 3 seasons of Arrow.
I think this past episode did a good job of making you almost feel sorry for poor "Dr. Wells." He just seemed so lonely.
At least she has something a bit closer to her classic Canary Cry now.
Did you see the comic preview for the next episode?Sometime in the future Barry is the founding member of Justice --
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So it was basically just confirmed in tonight's episode that Hal Jordan is currently in space as Green Lantern somewhere. It was mentioned that Ferris Air closed after one of their test pilots disappeared. I doubt we'll ever see him, but it's still cool.
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Spoilers cat. Some of us are stuck at work.
Quote from: Tomato on May 13, 2015, 01:44:59 AM
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Spoilers cat. Some of us are stuck at work.
I really don't see how a side comment which has nothing whatsoever to do with the story of any of the series can possibly be considered a spoiler. I mean seriously, it has nothing whatsoever to do with anything and was a single side comment.
I definitely think that's something you'd rather hear on the show though I definitely don't see why you'd click the thread that warns about spoilers in the title if you weren't up to date on the show.
Alright, fine.
First, I read recent posts all the time. I said as much a week ago when I asked that people be careful with the spoilers on AoU. Second, I didn't expect to see spoilers within an hour of the new episodes airing.
That said, to be fair to cat, its not that big a thing in the episode. But the way I stumbled across it and not having seen the episode yet, I was a bit miffed at what I thought was a huge spoiler from the episode.
Was Deathbolt supposed to Cyclops or is that changed for the show?
Quote from: Tomato on May 14, 2015, 01:34:58 AM
That said, to be fair to cat, its not that big a thing in the episode. But the way I stumbled across it and not having seen the episode yet, I was a bit miffed at what I thought was a huge spoiler from the episode.
I would never do something like that. I only posted it openly because it was basically an easter egg that had nothing to do with the rest of the episode. I'm sorry if you misunderstood it to be more than that, but I would never post a major spoiler openly like that.
I have a few questions
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What were the Snarts' (both of them) purposes in this episode? They really didn't add anything to the plan. My only guess is that Barry asked them BEFORE Cisco thought of the power dampener. Other than that, they really had no purpose of being there.
Another question that I have is why didn't Barry just run them over to the prison? They were clearly capable of gassing the metahumans and knocking them out and Barry running them to the prison would have been much quicker. Perhaps he didn't have the strength to carry them all of the way there? I'm not particularly sure where that island is, so I can't really tell if it would have been feasible for him to run them there.
Also,
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That final fight scene was kind of lack luster. I mean, it definitely wasn't all bad (THEY DID THE THING WITH THE RING!!!). Oliver showed off some cool tricks (I don't watch Arrow, so it's new to me :P). Barry and Wells had their little showdown. It was nice, but it wasn't as epic as it should have been. I really wish they focused on their confrontation with Wells rather than that whole metahuman fiasco, or at least separate the two subplots into two different episodes.
I was disappointed that Firestorm didn't do much in that fight. He was taken out rather quickly, which I didn't mind because I thought that he would be a lot more helpful when he got back, but he only really ever got one or two hits off. Arrow using that special arrow that the Atom made was pretty neat, but I was really happy to see Wells shake all of the nanites out of him.
In all, I just wish the fight was more of an epic showdown. It didn't really feel like anything special, other than Firestorm and Arrow showing up.
We have to remember that they're working with a TV budget and not a feature film budget per episode. That said I totally agree with spydermann93.
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The money used to bring in Snart could have been spent on a more epic fight. I understand the moral of the story that Flash is Flash and Arrow is Arrow, but the execution was lame.
I also thought Catlin going off on Cisco should have had a bit of a psychological angle to it. Cisco didn't seem to mind at all...this was a waste of a very good moment IMO. I hope the writers plan to do more with it later.
This episode kind of put a damper on my hope that
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Ollie would be come the new Rash. We learn that he's only going to live to be 86?!?!?!
Quote from: thalaw2 on May 14, 2015, 11:19:49 AM
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Ollie would be come the new Rash. We learn that he's only going to live to be 86?!?!?!
From his own show we already know that not to be the case. Also, those who froze the scene with the newspaper article from the future know that.
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In ten years, he's known as Green Arrow. Likely next season, but at least by ten years, he will be.
So Caitlin Snow's Danielle Panabaker did an AMA(???), an online interview with fans. She had some things to say about her future, the show and what we may expect sooner or later. Here are the highlights:
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[–]Seanrogie 406 points 1 day ago
Hi Danielle, love the show!
When you were offered the role of Caitlyn, were you told right away that your character is named after the villain Killer Frost? Are you excited about the possibilities down the road to play a villain, if only for an episode or season? Would be very different from most of your roles
[–]DaniellePanabaker[S ] 746 points 1 day ago
yes - from the beginning I knew that Caitlin Snow becomes Killer Frost. And I can't wait to suit up and duke it out with the boys!
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[–]snnowfrostt 134 points 1 day ago
Killer Frost VS Flash, who would win???
[–]DaniellePanabaker[S ] 285 points 1 day ago
Let's find out!
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[–]DeoGame 303 points 1 day ago
Killer Frost hype real?
[–]DaniellePanabaker[S ] 476 points 1 day ago
Watch the season finale on Tuesday!
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[–]Professor_Thawne 203 points 1 day ago
Hello Danielle! Huge fan of the Flash (as evidenced by my username). You do a killer job. Just wondering, you play such a likable character and I definitely get the vibe that you and the cast are like family, what are your thoughts towards potentially sporting a colder demeanor and treading the dark side?
[–]DaniellePanabaker[S ] 205 points 1 day ago
Thanks! I'm excited about the potential for Caitlin Snow to become Killer Frost. It's fun to play so many different emotions
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[–]stileshasbadjuju 47 points 1 day ago
Hey Danielle, thanks for coming on today, it's really awesome of you! I'm Anna, well done on a fantastic first season and on bringing Caitlin Snow to life, I absolutely LOVE HER so much, and your acting is wonderful (your facial expressions make my day)!
So anyway, my question is --- Is there any chance we will see Caitlin show up on Legends of Tomorrow? (I understand if you can't say)
Also, anything at all you can tease about the finale? Not necessarily spoilery, just anything at all to help me survive the waiting until next week?
[–]DaniellePanabaker[S ] 106 points 1 day ago
I really hope Caitlin will be on Legends of Tomorrow.
The finale has lots of tears and lots of emotions. And it might be the end of the world for Team Flash...
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[–]scottydoeskno 38 points 1 day ago
Hey Danielle, love the Flash. What would be the best 'Flash' related pick up line you know that I can use for tinder?
And which actor would you like to see come on the show in the future?
[–]DaniellePanabaker[S ] 73 points 1 day ago
I'm excited about the potential of Jay Garrick. I'm terrible with pick up lines though
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[–]Samablam 34 points 1 day ago
Danielle thank you for your portrayal of Caitlin Snow! She's one of my favorite characters to watch in the show! When will you guys start filming season 2? 😁
[–]DaniellePanabaker[S ] 66 points 1 day ago
Our first day is supposed to be July 7
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[–]Cdawg00 52 points 1 day ago
Has the Killer Frost costume been completed yet? Don't leave your fans out in the cold on this one :)
[–]DaniellePanabaker[S ] 117 points 1 day ago
Yes. They have made a Killer Frost costume.
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[–]Itsgiik 12 points 1 day ago
Hi, Danielle! I am your fan since Skyhigh and I love you in The Flash too! My question is: How was to record Caitlin's marriage scene?
[–]DaniellePanabaker[S ] 30 points 1 day ago
Fun. Emotional. Cold
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/35z1qa/im_danielle_panabaker_from_the_flash_or_sky_high/
LoT behind the scenes photo reveals Jays helmet.Grant Gustin did say something about Earth 2...
Okay, that was unexpected.
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Barry went back in time but did not try to save his mother. His future self cautioned him not to and he listened, but he did get to say goodbye.
Along the way, he stops Reverse Flash from returning to him time. I really don't get this. Yes, he's evil and has done bad things, but there seems no reason why not to let him go back and good riddance to him.
Instead Eddy kills himself to erase RF from history. Which destroys a perfectly good villain.
Oh and all this time traveling created a black hole that is now destroying the city. Good job breaking it, hero.
The various easter eggs and hint were fun though. There were a few in when he's looking at the timeline, including Killer Frost and the Legends of the Future. Rip Hunt is mentioned as the inventor of the time machine, and Hawkgirl also appears at the end in her civilian identity. Best yet was Jay Garrick's helmet coming through the wormhole.
All in all, it was okay. Not great, but okay.
I think it accomplish it's goal
Make you want to watch next season
Yeah. Unexpected. However I my opinion, welcomed, very emotional to see and thought provoking.
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First the cool stuff. Killer Frost, the Flash Museum Rip Hunter and the nod to Vibe. And of course Jay Garrick. I can't help but to think of the possibilities of the other speedster appearing next season. As well as the possibilities for season 2. Already looking forward to it. Definitely more than Arrow.
Now, the not so easy stuff.
First, a friend and I have been talking about the possibilities of a multiverse for a few weeks off and on and I'm glad this episode talked a lot about it. With the theory of a multiverse, you have a few different realities that might be. Take Eddie and Iris for isntance. He talked about the number of random "coincidences" that lead them to meeting each other and getting to where they were. Moreover, as much as Eddie was despondent and ultimately tried to change his future without Iris, he ultimately couldn't. It's almost like the way things happened HAD TO happen the way it did. There was no way for him to get stood up. No way for him to not run into that mugger. No way for him to not meet and fall in love with Iris. No way he could have avoided suicide. Then there's the idea of one being able to change the future for a different outcome. The Flash decided not to save his mother(or perhaps was never destined to save her regardless of his actions). Is there another reality where he does save her and Thawne goes back to the future and Eddie doesn't kill himself and he and Iris live happily ever after? Perhaps. But the last theory the multiverse ignores is not simple predestination but the idea even if you change the future, the past will correct itself as Wells threatened earlier in the season. let's say the Flash saves his mother, Wells goes back to the future. Who's to say Hunter Zoloman doesn't go back and kills her still. Or Eddie doesn't kill himself and he and Iris can have their happily ever after, but a week later he gets shot by a random mugger. At the end of the day Cat, I believe Barry decided to not save his mother because not only his future self told his present self not to, but to do so would undo an entire reality that he knows. The only reality he knows. Why trade in that one life for a reality you know nothing of at the expense where he has so much to live for now?
Now the really hard part. For me at least. That scene with Barry and his mother, it got really hard to watch. For anyone that has had a sudden lost in their lives like that, you always imagine what you would say, what you would do if you had another moment with that person. My brother was killed 15 years ago. It was sudden, random and unpredictable. It's a different experience than having someone in your life die of cancer or something. Not easier. But my brother was in the Navy and the last time I saw him was about six months before his death. You always assume you'll see them again. You'll always assume you'll be able to say good-bye again. But I never got that opportunity. And not a day since October of 2000 have I never regretted that. So watching this really brought all that to my consciousness. But for Barry to have that moment with his mofher, had that time to see her, hold her and to say goodbye, Cat, it almost makes it worth the pain. What we all would give to have a final moment that was never given to us.
It was a pleasure to watch this episode. For several reasons.
I don't know why you keep addressing me specifically. I actually have not contradicted or disagreed on any of those points where you keep naming me. All I said was that it was just an okay episode. I didn't say there weren't some emotional moments, but its an episode where they spend almost then entire time talking about whether or not they are going to do something that is a forgone conclusion so we can then spend only 10 minutes actually doing that. They are a good 10 minutes, but basically nothing happens in the rest of the episode.
I make no judgement about Barry's motivations or lack thereof, nor do I deny certain emotional moments.
I was just responding to what you said, man. Nothing personal.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on May 20, 2015, 02:43:02 AM
I was just responding to what you said, man. Nothing personal.
Actually, no you weren't. The things you were responding to were things that I did not actually say and do not believe. I actually agree with you. You were making assumptions about my opinion that were not true.
This was actually similar to hypertime,and not exactly Multiverse as we know it.If anyone remembers hypertime...
Im calling it right now
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Eddie
survived and will return as the new Reverse Flash. ;)
I was thinking that too Spade.
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Does anybody know if Tom Cavanagh will be coming back? He really made the show fun to watch and it's not going to be the same without him.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Eddie will be coming back. Eobard/Wells made it pretty clear a few episodes ago that Eddie was his backup plan, and the way he manipulated Eddie into taking action (Eddie HAD to do something after the whole talk of "not being important") leads me to think that was his plan from day one. Considering they also left the reason for Reverse Flash's hate unresolved (kind of a big thing to leave out if he's truly dead) I kinda feel like Eddie's ultimately the source.
Also, Jey:
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Yes (http://comicbook.com/2015/05/20/tom-cavanagh-will-return-for-season-2-of-the-flash/)
I believe Reverse Flash WILL be back but it will not be the same person.
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The worm hole/vortex appeared because Eddie's death has caused a time paradox because without Eobard Thawne existing then everything that happened in season one and the death of Harrison Wells have no longer occurred leaving this parallel timeline being torn apart. I'm expecting that Flash will have to journey into the time stream to help undo the damage which results into not only stabilizing the Prime time line but creating fallout of people/objects from other worlds falling into Prime as well. Like Eobard said earlier, "If you change the past to avoid a disaster then time will just create something much worse to stabilize itself." So while the Thawne bloodline had now hit a dead end with Eddie's sacrifice there is another Reverse Flash out there in time along with other speedsters in the Speed Force which will become very aware of this time storm.
- CQ
Not sure if any of you saw this piece on Tuesday, but there was some news released about what we can expect next season.
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Grant Gustin admits that were expected to see multiple time lines in season 2. I know seeing Jay Garrick's helmet might have been an over handed hint to that eventuality, but having a multiverse and knowing it's there, I can onay imagine it guarantees we'll see Cavanaugh back, if not as the real Harrison Wells, but as the Reverse Flash. I suppose there are several realities where both Thawne's are still alive.
Here's a theory. Perhaps Reverse Flash was a arch-nemesis of Jay Garrick's Flash and seeing his helmet come from the wormhole told him that a Eobard Thawne from another reality was going to be spit out along with a Flash from another reality. Which is why he said "that's my queue to leave", so he won't cause some sort of time rift by meeting a alternate of himself.
http://www.tvguide.com/news/mega-buzz-the-flash-multiple-universes/
I'm sad to see this season end. It was a fantastic first season and the Flash has already become my favorite show.
It was a great season with a really great final epi. I expect that next season will see a lot of changes.
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I think Cisco's ability to see into time lines will play a major role in bringing things together in season 2. The real Wells will be back and it will be interesting to see how different he will be from Thawne. Will his wife be back too? Will have kids? By killing off the Thawnes the whole time continuum from season 1 is gonna be different. The particle accelerator is supposed to go off in 2020 not 2015. A new Reverse Flash is needed just to hold the guts of the show together.
It's gonna be a completely new show
Here's a thought:
With everything that is happening with the Flash, how will that affect Ollie and Team Arrow?
You know I've been thinking about that. More specifically about how Arrow might introduce Conner Hawke into Team Arrow. I know he was technically written as Oliver Queen's son, but with Arrow's Oliver Queen being late 20s, it's hard to imagine someone in his late 20s having a son old enough to be an equal. However with the New 52, and what we know of Flash, Season 2, there could be other possibilities.
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From what I understand, Earth-Two has Conner Hawke as well as Jay Garrick. Perhaps both come over from Earth-Two to "Earth-Arrow" and stick around. Honestly, with the introduction of Multiple Earths, as cliche as it sounds, the possibilities become rather endless. With as many Earths, they can remake any reality they choose and bring back characters from other times/realities. Whether it be Harrison Wells, Shado, Eddie Thawne, Ras Al Ghul, etc.
Some castings are being made.Notably a new love interest,Jay and/or Hawkman.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CK2Rf9MUsAATcuZ.jpg:small)
New suit,new suit! :D
Also, Professor Zoom introduced as new big bad. Jay Garrick confirmed as a new character and will be mentoring Barry.
I thought Reverse Flash and Professor Zoom were the same dude, what's up with that?
The Zoom shown in a brief preview appeared to be have an all-black costume, so this may be something original.
Quote from: BWPS on July 26, 2015, 04:29:03 PM
I thought Reverse Flash and Professor Zoom were the same dude, what's up with that?
They are one in the same just as Jay Garrick, Barry Allen and Wally West are all "the Flash".
Right?
I think BWPS meant how Eobard Thawn is called Reverse Flash AND Proffesor Zoom at various points.
Professor Zoom in this case might also refer to Hunter Zolomon, the second Reverse Flash. Given the fact that we're also supposed to have Wally West at some point, it's not that far-fetched.
I was kinda guessing Eddy will return as the new Reverse Flash.That he will be this universes version of Daniel West or something.Just a theory,anyway...
I kinda doubt it? There's no official statement about it, but Grant Gustin (Flash) said in an interview that Rick Cosnett(Eddy) had to leave the show for the time being for personal reasons, but that they've left the door open for him to come back later on. It's somewhat disappointing (I feel like Eddy was originally gonna be Thawne's fallback plan) but life happens, I guess.
The actor has signed on to star on another show, so is unlikely to return.
The Flash Casts Wally West (https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/flash-casts-wally-west-210330546.html)
This is exciting. I don't know much about the actor. I tried to watch Insurgent, but I couldn't get through the first five minutes. Those teen things just ain't for me. What do you guys think of this casting?
Really excited about this.
I find it interesting that the actors for Barry and Wally are only a couple years apart.
First look at live action Jay Garrick, in a beautiful live action recreation of the cover of Flash #123 (if I got that number right)
I must say, I do like that costume. He looks great.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=123882
Wow, that's the first thing I've seen from this show that I like almost unequivocally.
Apparently they're casting Hawkman, which is almost enough to get me watching this show.
Quote from: BentonGrey on August 13, 2015, 04:06:10 AM
Wow, that's the first thing I've seen from this show that I like almost unequivocally.
Apparently they're casting Hawkman, which is almost enough to get me watching this show.
Hawkman is being cast for Legends of Tomorrow, although he might very well appear in the Flash as well.
Wonder what will be Hawkmans origin story here?
Oh wow, eversince they announced Jay appearing i wondered how they would pull off his look. He looks great and the homage poster is fantastic.
Jesse Quick has now been cast for a multiple episode story arc.
http://screenrant.com/flash-season-2-jesse-quick-tokmak-casting/
A new trailer and other tidbits. Biggest thing for me is the revelation that Zoom is actually from Earth 2 and gets let in by the wormhole. That's why we're getting a second version of the villain from the first season--he's the Reverse Flash from Jay Garrick's universe.
http://screenrant.com/flash-season-2-trailer-preview-new-character-spoilers/
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/11221862_1614827012125384_9027433066892632314_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9)
Hawkman and Hawkgirl.
Hrm
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind the brown and I think it'll look fine in the context of the shows, but I think my biggest problem is hawkman... I really would have liked something closer to the harness of the comics, either with him actually bare chested, or at least with a lighter color on the torso to give more variation to the X harness.
Hawkgirl is great though. Love the golden bronze color.
I should note that only Hawkman is confirmed as appearing in Flash (and Arrow) He'll be searching for Hawkgirl since he reincarnates with all his memories intact and she does not.
Of course, some of you may have noticed exactly where she is--in Central City near the wormhole.
Well...that's disappointing but predictable. They really are terrified of color, aren't they? Hawkman's one of my favorite characters...though I suppose it doesn't matter to me too much, since I don't watch these shows anyway.
Quote from: BentonGrey on September 12, 2015, 05:40:50 PM
Well...that's disappointing but predictable. They really are terrified of color, aren't they? Hawkman's one of my favorite characters...though I suppose it doesn't matter to me too much, since I don't watch these shows anyway.
This is sad. I can understand why you wouldn't like Arrow, but Flash is the only recent superhero show to fully embrace the fun, fantasy side of superheroics. Forget "realism," the Flash runs up a building because he's the Flash and it's cool! Why should their be telepathic talking apes? It's a superhero show!
You won't see that kind of thing elsewhere, except maybe on Arrow, now that Arrow's trying to play catchup to its own spinoff, and Legends of Tomorrow.
Have to agree with Benton here,some colour would have been nice...but yeah,expected.
Also...yeah,Arrow was a bit lifeless this past season.
I think they know that, which is why a lot of what we've heard is about embracing the lighter side of the ga character.
But seriously, Benton... Flash, now. Go watch all of it. NOWWWW.
I've seen bits of it Cat, and nothing that really gave me the impression I'd enjoy it. Everything I saw was 'off,' and it bothered me. It still felt too CW.
CW is the best channel on TV right now! 4/5 of my top shows are on it. Though I guess to be fair, the other 1/5 is Pretty Little Liars on ABC Family.
They look ok, not being yellow and green is a plus in my book. Why don't they have wings though? Do they just appear when they have to fly to limit the special effects needed and not be a huge challenge for blocking indoor scenes? Also that mace should be way bigger.
Meanwhile, in less disappointing costume news, full promo shots of Jay Garrick. (http://screenrant.com/flash-season-2-stills-jay-garrick-teddy-sears/) I rather like it... It's a bit more uniform then jays classic costume, but in a way that feels very true to the character.
My only complaint is that the lightning bolt is only an outline. Otherwise I very much like it.
It would be cool if it lights up when he taps into the speed force
Sadly no Jay Garrick (except for about 5 seconds at the end) but we otherwise got a good start to the season with the Atom Smasher.
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The mystery on Roy's not being Firestorm in Legends of Tomorrow is solves as Firestorm is the one who actually shuts the wormhole down by splitting in the middle of it--and only Professor Stein comes back. For now Stein appears to be replacing Wells as on the team, and Barry now owns Star Labs as well.
Good start for season 2.
Think we will see Bart Allen in this season?Or maybe in the third?
Quote from: Spade on October 07, 2015, 04:55:10 PM
Good start for season 2.
Think we will see Bart Allen in this season?Or maybe in the third?
Third probably. We already have Wally West, Jesse Quick, and Jay Garrick. I think that's enough for one season.
I love this show so much. Villains/heroes from earth-2 excite me. You can really feel Geoff Johns' influence and if he's good at anything, it's writing Flash stories. Can't wait to see some races!
Another episode packed full of comic book references.
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Jay's lost his speed, so no races for now.
The comic book cover is referenced, which was fun.
Jay's helmet from last season is explained.
Vibe's name is teased, although it looks like his powers are a bit different.
Lightning throwing. Has the Flash ever done that in the comics?
52 inter-dimensional portals. Heh.
If Zooms wants to eliminate all other speedsters, then the two new ones about to be introduced are going to drive him nuts. Or more so than he already is.
Heavy water still part of Jay's backstory, if modified somewhat.
I totally missed the 1st season of The Flash (thank God Netflix)
Now that I've done a all in 1 day event I'm hooked :thumbup: Now I starting on Arrow (Yea I now I should have done Arrow 1st)
Good episode. Flash is picking up some
momentum ;).
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I found Jay Garrick quite likable in this. Barry's skepticism about him was, IMO, explained well.
I really liked how they beat the villain. Very smart of them.
Not sure how I fell about the new female cop character. I'll have to give it time.
Tony Todd was a great choice for the voice of Zoom. Very intimidating.
Not sure how I feel about alternate world Harrison Wells. Well I really like the actor, it being the alternate versions holds mean meaning to me than the character we knew, and it kinda feels like they're struggling to keep Tom Cavanagh in it.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 14, 2015, 01:36:03 AM
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Heavy water still part of Jay's backstory, if modified somewhat.
Darn, I missed that part.
Quote from: BWPS on October 09, 2015, 01:22:51 PM
I love this show so much. Villains/heroes from earth-2 excite me. You can really feel Geoff Johns' influence and if he's good at anything, it's writing Flash stories. Can't wait to see some races!
Your "favorite's" in it next week though. ;)
I feel like the shows cracks are starting to show for me... The stuff with Jay and Barry was fine, but we once again have a one and done villain who we likely won't ever see again. It's a recurring problem for the show, where I feel like we've only had two truly interesting villains thus far. I feel bad for the actor too, because he does his best to inject some character in there, but he's such a footnote that the episode doesn't take advantage of it.
Don't get me wrong, I still love the show, but its got a serious case of mcu-itis when it comes to the villains.
It would be awesome to have Alan Scott(and he should be played by John Slattery). :D
Im such an optimist.
Quote from: Tomato on October 14, 2015, 06:52:16 PM
I feel like the shows cracks are starting to show for me... The stuff with Jay and Barry was fine, but we once again have a one and done villain who we likely won't ever see again. It's a recurring problem for the show, where I feel like we've only had two truly interesting villains thus far. I feel bad for the actor too, because he does his best to inject some character in there, but he's such a footnote that the episode doesn't take advantage of it.
Don't get me wrong, I still love the show, but its got a serious case of mcu-itis when it comes to the villains.
I just saw ep. 2 and I agree with you. Even according to the dialogue there is plenty of room for freak of the weak drama. I also can't get over how the timeline is just out of whack. It doesn't make sense, but I'll keep watching to see if the fix this cracks.
I like to know how they are going to use Cisco. Vibe emit powerful vibrations, not see vibration of time. I wonder how they are going to convert one power to the other.
We are just 2 episodes in so its a bit early to judge,but we could use more full-time villains.
Anyone noticed that Darkseid is Captain Colds father? XD
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 19, 2015, 01:23:30 PM
I like to know how they are going to use Cisco. Vibe emit powerful vibrations, not see vibration of time. I wonder how they are going to convert one power to the other.
Who says they're going to? He'd hardly be the first character the show has changed quite a bit from their comic inspiration.
I think you posted in the wrong thread, since Supergirl does not appear in The Flash.
Quote from: Spade on October 19, 2015, 05:49:43 PM
We are just 2 episodes in so its a bit early to judge,but we could use more full-time villains.
Anyone noticed that Darkseid is Captain Colds father? XD
I just watched a Michael Ironside the other night, it's called Turbo Kid. He plays a great villain, I'd love to see him as live action Darkseid!
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 21, 2015, 12:56:28 AM
I think you posted in the wrong thread, since Supergirl does not appear in The Flash.
You're right, I had both threads open when I logged in and it automatically selected this thread instead. Whoops.
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 19, 2015, 01:23:30 PM
I like to know how they are going to use Cisco. Vibe emit powerful vibrations, not see vibration of time. I wonder how they are going to convert one power to the other.
Well, after Final Crisis. Multiverse has pretty been about vibrational frequencies, so it's not really that much of a stretch. That was pretty much what his power has been retooled to in the New 52, that's why he was built up as Waller's Anti-Flash since he can cut off his connection to the speedforce by messing with his vibrational frequencies.
King Shark!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=84&v=QfikdHNaycQ
After seeing this episode, I have but one thing to say
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KING SHARK!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Heck yeah King Shark! I almost didn't think he was going to show up in the episode, but then he did, and he was awesome!
I also have one thing to say after tonight's episode:
Will somebody please make a suit for Firestrom!!!!!
Quote from: Silver Shocker on October 28, 2015, 01:03:24 AM
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Heck yeah King Shark! I almost didn't think he was going to show up in the episode, but then he did, and he was awesome!
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The rest of the episode was quite good, but he completely stole the show for me, even if his appearance was brief.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on October 28, 2015, 01:03:24 AM
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Heck yeah King Shark! I almost didn't think he was going to show up in the episode, but then he did, and he was awesome!
He did already debut in Season Zero comic.
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Also Daniel West exists.I guess he will be Reverse Flash of Season 3 or 4.
I can't believe
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King Shark
has now been televised!
Fun fact: King Shark is voiced by David Hayter,who was also Solid Snake,Captain America and Bernie Wiseman.
Watch those Spoilers spade. Just because most of us have seen it, doesn't mean everyone has.
That being said, this episode raises a few questions:
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First, who do ya'll think Iris' brother is? The easy answer is Daniel West, setting him up as a villain for a future series, but they've also cast Wally. It would be a bit of a difference from the comics to have him be Iris' brother rather than her nephew, but the show has taken liberties with the comics before.
The other big one... is this Wells, or is it Thawne? Granted, I'm more inclined to think it actually IS Wells, since the only reason to bring Thawne back would be to resolve the dangling plot threads from last season, and they are bringing back the actual Thawne actor as well.
Good point,But now I remember the answer.
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http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/the-flash-wally-west-keiynan-lonsdale-1201557295/ (http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/the-flash-wally-west-keiynan-lonsdale-1201557295/)
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I'm guessing Wally. Unless time travel is involved(which is possible) there's no way he could be her nephew given the ages involved, but younger brother works well and is close enough I think.
Next week on Flash....
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DOCTOR LIGHT!!!! :D
^You had me worried for a moment about which version will it be.
Quote from: Spade on October 29, 2015, 10:21:25 AM
Fun fact: King Shark is voiced by David Hayter,who was also Solid Snake,Captain America and Bernie Wiseman.
SN: For anyone that plays EA Sports games he's the "If it's In the game, it's in the game."
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So it looks like Dr. Light is a combination of both the heroic and villainous versions of the character, with some original twists.
It appears that the reason why the Earth 2 villains are killing their dopplegangers is to pretend to be them to escape Zoom. It makes sense, they are afraid of both, so that is the obvious third option.
Wells is a bit slimy in any universe, it seems. I don't think Wells 2 is outright evil, but he's not trustworthy.
The actress playing Well's daughter was cast as Jesse Quick. Hmm. I'm wondering if in this version she somehow ends up with Garrick's stolen speed, then gives it back later.
Cisco, outed as a metahuman by Wells 2, names himself Vibe. He powers in this version makes him more of a support character than a superhero though. At least for now.
Also Earth-2 has
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Atlantis,above water.Jay knows a guy there. :cool:
I liked the updated Doctor Light costume though I am kinda sorry we won't be seeing more of her. I'd kinda like to see her redeemed or developed or something.
Cisco easily had the line of the night abotu Wells 2.0 (who is wonderfully awful).
The Atlantis line did make me squee a little bit. :) I bet Benton liked that one.
Is it just me or are all these now villainous heroes reminiscent of the Crime Syndicate's Earth 2 (Morrison/Quietly) rather than the classic Earth-2?
Also, is it just me, or do you think that it's going to turn out to be Barry under the Zoom mask?
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I am also thinking that it is Earth-2 Barry. This would explain his knowing things about Barry that he shouldn't.
Quote from: Glitch Girl on November 04, 2015, 02:43:23 PM
Also, is it just me, or do you think that it's going to turn out to be Barry under the Zoom mask?
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I thought that, but Zoom's build seems a bit broader then Barry's. But the producers said they would show Zoom in the first episode, and I have a theory that fits in with what Cat said. Well two theories actually.
1. Zoom is Henry Allen of E2. This one is a bit of a stretch, but during a Q&A with J.W.S. when asked about putting the Flash suit on again he does a slight pause and hesitates some in his answer. Like I said, it's a stretch, but it would be a helluva mind twist to see.
2. My personal favorite theory is Zoom is Joe West from E2. E2 Joe didn't raise Barry, and went down some dark paths because of his drug-using wife. This leads to him becoming a crooked cop before he gains his speed powers. When he discovers E1, and his counterpart, he uses that information to learn about Barry.
Now my daughter had her own theory that it might be E2 Eddie Thawn as Zoom.
Regaroding what ND said
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Theory one is getting a lot more traction now that there's a photo of Zoom sans creepy black eye effect. Those eyes look awfully similar to JWS. It would also work towards explaining his weird absence since his release - somehow Zoom got to him or something along those lines
LOVED last night's episode, especially the training sequence. And DANG Zoom is a scary creature.
That episode was scary, but good in so many ways. I'm also looking forward to next week's episode with Gorilla Grodd
Tony Todd is such a great voice for Zoom. He has such a perfect "intimidating" voice. Between that and the look of his mask/face it really makes him seem like a supernatural monster.
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Gorilla City!
N'uff Said
We can now add one more to the list of things that Flash has adapted that we never thought we'd see in live action.
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Gorilla City!
I bet Kamandi fans had a kick with the chemical that was namedropped in the last episode.
So the Arrow crossover-
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Vandal Savage is pretty obviously Hath-Set and not actually Vandal Savage.Jay gets his speed back-for a minute.And the whole Nth metal issues is avoided.And Oliver might have figured out he has a son.
The show was great. I love how Arrow & Flash play off each other and Flash comment about Ra's al ghul was priceless!
http://comicbook.com/2015/12/02/exclusive-marco-grazzini-cast-as-tar-pit-in-the-flash/ (http://comicbook.com/2015/12/02/exclusive-marco-grazzini-cast-as-tar-pit-in-the-flash/)
Tar Pit cast.And Mark Hammil returns for mid season finale. :)
TAR PIT!!!
YAAAY!!!! :thumbup:
So great, I love
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Vandal Savage and time travel.
Geoff Johns' influence on this show is very apparent and that just makes me giddy as a schoolgirl.
Barry's speed remains wildly inconsistent but his charming heroics never falter.
Best live action Joker ever. :)
So,Wally West?
QuoteBest live action Joker ever.
In-frickin-deed.
Plus, exploding dredels.
It is so good to be a nerd these days.
Quote from: Spade on December 09, 2015, 02:11:03 PM
Best live action Joker ever. :)
So,Wally West?
I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that. I wonder if he did that on purpose? Plus Zoom is freaking scary!
Quote from: JeyNyce on December 09, 2015, 02:39:42 PM
Quote from: Spade on December 09, 2015, 02:11:03 PM
Best live action Joker ever. :)
So,Wally West?
I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that. I wonder if he did that on purpose? Plus Zoom is freaking scary!
Hes wearing a suit with a purple flower.It was intentional. :)
And every now and then, he'll do the Joker's voice, it was a great show all around.
I'm just wonder how Jessie, Jay & Wally going to tap into the speed force.
Quote from: JeyNyce on December 09, 2015, 03:57:47 PM
And every now and then, he'll do the Joker's voice, it was a great show all around.
I'm just wonder how Jessie, Jay & Wally going to tap into the speed force.
My theory on that
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Since we know that he steals speed from other speedsters to add it in his own, I'm guessing the Flash team will learn to reverse it and take Jay's speed back. In order to stop him once and for all, they will syphon off all his remaining speed and give it to Jesse and Wally at the end of the season. Whether the recepients are accidental or chosen I cannot guess. At the end of the season, Jay returns to Earth 2 with Jesse as his sidekick and Flash gets whatever they call Wally as his.
IDK if anyone mentioned it already,but episode 11 is named Reverse-Flash Returns.And Matt Lescher will actually return as Eobard Thawn.
Quote from: Spade on December 24, 2015, 12:32:10 PM
IDK if anyone mentioned it already,but episode 11 is named Reverse-Flash Returns.And Matt Lescher will actually return as Eobard Thawn.
Oh saucy, can't wait for that!
Killer Frost too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3YTFMxK3kU
Deathstorm has just been confirmed as appearing as Earth 2 Ronnie Raymond. He is apparently married to Killer Frost, so both will likely appear together.
King Shark to return!
http://screenrant.com/the-flash-arrow-crossover-episode-story-details/
Kevin Smith to Direct Episode of The Flash, Vixen Renewed and More from The CW's TCA Panels (http://www.superherohype.com/news/362307-kevin-smith-to-direct-episode-of-the-flash-vixen-renewed-and-more-from-the-cws-tca-panels#/slide/1)
Gorilla Grodd and Gorilla City building up to a multi-episode arc in the future. Sounds like he may even end up as the main villain in a future season.
http://screenrant.com/the-flash-gorilla-grodd-return-gorilla-city/
Okay gotta say I'm loving Earth 2 so far.
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Iris is a cop! Lawton's a cop with lousy aim (did not expect him at ALL)! Mayor Snart! Captain Singh is a petty crook! Barry is STILL a major nerd! And Evil Vibe/Reverb!
BTW If someone finds freeze-frames of the visions in the portal, let me know. I only caught a few of them.
Speculation time - I don't think this is too spoilery to ask who is the guy in the mask at the end? I'm drawing a total blank.
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I believe I saw Supergirl, although I couldn't catch anything else. Given the upcoming crossover, that's both not surprising, and confirms that it will be the show's Barry that appears on Supergirl.
Also, someone got a freeze frame of Barry-2's phone. Bottom 3 names were Bruce, Hal, and Dianna.
Checking the DVR now....
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First was the Green Arrow. Thinking Future Green Arrow with a robotic arm(as suggested in LOT... then is 90s Flash with John Wesley Shipp.... and last before the scene was the aforementioned Supergirl. Back to the scene, first on the right was Gorilla Grodd... then it was Jonah Hex, I think? Looked cowboy-ish with scruff. Yep, got a closer look, Gun and face matches.... After that was a Legion of Superheroes ring.... Lastly, the vision in the middle, not so sure. Looks like a giant emerald. Not sure if it's for Green Lantern or if it's Kryptonite or what.
So that was the best episode ever and it seems like the cast had fun doing it as well
List of the Easter Eggs:
http://comicbook.com/2016/02/09/the-flash-easter-eggs-and-dc-comics-references-in-welcome-to-ear/
Quote from: Glitch Girl on February 10, 2016, 02:09:38 AM
Speculation time - I don't think this is too spoilery to ask who is the guy in the mask at the end? I'm drawing a total blank.
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I'm still sticking with my theory that Zoom is E2 Henry Allen, and the man in the iron mask is ...... Tony Stark. Kidding kidding.
The man in the mask is our (our meaning E1) Henry Allen. The Henry we've seen since he left Central City has been Zoom. When Zoom came to E1 he sought out his doppelgänger and used him for information on the Flash. This could explain why Henry makes a reference to fishing when he returned, and then Zoom mentioning how he prefers to fish using live bait.
And since Zoom doesn't want Barry dead until he drains him drier then a Bond Martini, would also explain him coming back and encouraging Barry to get better and faster AS Henry. Why else would he cripple him but not drain him?
But if I had to have a backup theory, then it's Eddie Thawn from E1. Zoom found his near death body and saved him and locked him away to do the same thing I said in my above theory, information and such.
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A coworker and I have been discussing Zoom at length, and we've been shooting off theories left and right. Right now, the most plausible have to do with Jay Garrick... Now that we know Jay didn't lose his speed to zoom, and instead to Velocity-6, it seems reasonable that Zoom (who acted like a junkie in the scene with Wells last week) would be tied to Jay in some way. It might even be that he's the E2 Hunter Zolomon... Instead of adopting Jay, the Zolomons on E2 adopted someone else and gave him that name. It could also be that Zoom is a side effect of Jay's use of Velocity-6, like the Sentry/Void dynamic back before they retconned it.
That having been said, there are other options too. E2 Wally is still a prime candidate, especially since his absence in the E2 West family was very glaring. Zoom jonesing for more speed would make sense in a Wally gone wrong, and it's possible he'd also fit as being tied to Wally. As ND says, Henry Allen is a prime candidate as well, given the comments Shipp made early on.
As for the masked man... I really dunno. I suspect we'll see more of him next week, so I'll wait until then to speculate.
Okay, not quite as cool as the previous episode (which would be hard to top no matter how you looked at it), but still a lot of fun.
Nerdy Barry was adorkable. :D "Her name starts with 'killer' and this surprises you?"
Latest Man-In-The-Iron-Mask speculation...
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I'm 95% sure MitIM is the REAL Jay Garrick, and a fake one has been hanging out in our universe for some time. This is probably the Earth 2 Hunter Zoloman, as he pointed out his Earth 1 twin earlier in the series. At this point, I do not think he was Zoom ONLY because of the closing scene when Zoom's arm went through him to retrieve him, which means that if this turns out to be a total fakeout I would not be too surprised. I would also not be surprised if he was the mastermind, not Zoom. Velocity 9 is obviously part of this plan, but I'm not sure how exactly.
Which leaves the "who is Zoom" question still open. There was some physical evidence in an earlier post I think that it might be Barry's Dad from Earth 2, but having seen Earth 2, I don't think so. Mama Allen is still alive, though no sign of dad, so motivation through her death is out and if it was him, I think we would have seen at least a glimpse of him these last two episodes to at least set up a Chekhov's Antagonist. The E2 Wally West theory has merit, especially if it turns out Jay is actually in charge. I'm pretty sure this last episode established that it's not E2 Barry. Is there anyone I missed?
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Joe West was also a subject of speculation, but he clearly died last episode, so that's out.
And Jay definitely couldn't be Zoom because he was working on the Speed Cannon while Zoom was being all menacing.
The Iron Mask guy being the real Jay is the most obvious possibility, but these people are very good at twisting our expectations around. Still him being Hunter Zolomon and lying about his counterpart having a different name is an interesting though.
Another possibility that just occurred to me--maybe Jay Garrick doesn't exist at all. That would explain why they couldn't find him on Earth 1. Zolomon made him up. The Iron Mask guy is someone else entirely but is trying to warn him that the identity is a fake. Maybe Iron Mask guy IS E2 Wally West and he is the Flash of this universe, not Jay.
But then again, Jay and Harry seemed to know each other, so maybe not. And Jay was shown as flash in a flashback, so nope. Forgot what I said.
Somethign going on, though.
I have a question:
Is Star Labs still operational? How the heck are Caitlin & Cisco getting paid?
Barry Allen inherited Star Labs and all its finances and resources from Harrison Wells. It's apparently not publicly known that he owns it, but it is still operational. No idea if they are just running off savings or actually making any sort of money.
Well, one mystery solved.
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Jay (or possibly the manifestation of Jay's speed force) is under Zoom's mask. We have a dead "Jay" who may just be a clone (explains the cellular degradation)
Which still leaves the question of who's under the iron mask? Jay-Minus-Speedforce maybe?
My 2 cents
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I'm think that the guy in the iron mask is Earth 2 Jay and the Jay that was Flash was a clone to trick Barry. It could be that Zoom is from another dimension and found out that if he takes out all the speedsters that he can become faster. He's addicted to the speed force
I know that this is really apropos of nothing, but I keep reading "iron mask" and thinking "Ion Mask."
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/the-atom-25-the-man-in-the-ion-mask/4000-8576/
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A coworker and I have been speculating about this revelation for the last few weeks, ever since it was revealed that "Jay" (who I'm not convinced isn't Hunter Zolomon) lied about the reason behind his degeneration. The fact that his cells were being destroyed by his addiction to Velocity-6, rather than by Zoom, hit a little too close to home when combined with his long absences and Zoom's then-recent reaction to Barry's speed force injection. Combine this with the fact that the man in the iron mask is clearly the REAL Jay Garrick (both because of his tapping that name AND because the writers aren't stupid enough to make fan beloved Jay Garrick the villain), the whole Zolomon doppelganger thing... and this unmasking was a bit expected.
Still, the fact that he looks like Jay opens up a TON of new questions, especially since it's more or less a given now that the Iron Masked dude is Jay Garrick. Is time travel involved somehow, with Zoom being a Velocity-6 injected future self who kidnapped his past self to harvest healthy cells? Are we using the face stealing tech that we saw last season with Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne? And how does the dead Jay fit into all of this?
Personally, I'm leaning towards a mix of a couple different theories. Firstly, I think that Zoom is and always has been Hunter Zolomon. Whether he's the version we saw from Earth 1, some kind of twin from earth 2, or from another earth entirely, they would not have dropped the Hunter/Jay lookalike bomb earlier in the season if that had not been the plan of the show's writers. After a few confrontations with the real Jay Garrick, he defeated Jay, imprisoned him, and replaced him with the doppelganger we saw die... who is either a clone, from yet another reality... or is a stooge Zoom picked up and used something akin to Thawne's face stealer to impersonate.
This leaves the real Jay Garrick trapped in his lair. And honestly, the only reason I don't think Zoom has been Jay the entire time (We've only ever seen Jay post being the Flash) is that they would not have covered his face otherwise.
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Jesse takes a bus to Opal city. :)
Maybe we will see the city itself in the future.I hope.
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Quote from: Spade on March 23, 2016, 10:13:02 AMJesse takes a bus to Opal city. :)
Maybe we will see the city itself in the future.I hope.
According to Wikipedia, Opal City has already been mentioned once before in Arrow. Also, although it's a different universe, it has also been mentioned a few times in Supergirl and is the home of a character who appears in a few episodes.
Deathbolt was from Opal city IIRC.
Well, Cisco just RickRolled us.
This episode seemingly confirms my theory that the Supergirl crossover was actually set a big in time ahead of where we are now in Flash.
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The thing on his chest in Supergirl looks like Reverse Flash's Tachyon device--which RF just gave him the data to replicate. So yeah, sometime after this ep they build it and while testing it he runs so fast he ends up in Earth 3.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 30, 2016, 09:49:30 PM
This episode seemingly confirms my theory that the Supergirl crossover was actually set a big in time ahead of where we are now in Flash.
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The thing on his chest in Supergirl looks like Reverse Flash's Tachyon device--which RF just gave him the data to replicate. So yeah, sometime after this ep they build it and while testing it he runs so fast he ends up in Earth 3.
One of the creators commented on this last week:
"The events of Monday's #SuperFlash event will be referenced on The Flash, thought "a little more subtly than we were going to, initially," says EP Greg Berlanti. Also, the episodes "kind of flip order" in that Barry's unplanned trip is set up in the Flash episode that airs the day after his Supergirl appearance. "We're much better at coordinating the viewing patterns when we're crossing over on the same network," Berlanti admits. "But when [it's folded into The Flash], people will get it."" (http://tvline.com/2016/03/25/supergirl-flash-crossover-spoilers-kara-on-earth-1/)
So not sure when they sync up but it will happen.
Really enjoyed the crossover, hope they do more in the future. Actually I'm quite happy with Supergirl in general, I hope it continues and that seems likely based on comments by CBS.
Regarding the Jay situation:
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Color me p.o.'d if Zoom is the Earth 2 Jay, and not one from another Earth. Jay Garrick is my favorite Flash, and having him be Zoom ruins the possibility of any Flash/Flash team ups in the future. Unless they do some sort of time travel thing to stop him from becoming Zoom in the first place, and that would just be stupid.
Also, once Zoom is dealt with, can they please stop bringing in people faster than Barry?
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Ghost Machine, it isn't. They already opened the door to the "real" Jay being the masked prisoner... Zoom is, as suspected, Hunter Zolomon... though how we still don't know yet.
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Quote from: Tomato on March 31, 2016, 06:08:44 PMGhost Machine, it isn't. They already opened the door to the "real" Jay being the masked prisoner... Zoom is, as suspected, Hunter Zolomon... though how we still don't know yet.
The preview for next episode specifically mentions that he is Hunter Zolomon, a serial killer. My guess is indeed that the iron mask person is the real Jay. Either he's altered his appearance, or in this continuity, they are twins separated at birth, since we already saw that Earth 1's Hunter Zolomon looks just like Jay.
I had the same feelings as GhostMachine.
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Jay being the bad guy was just real sour in my mouth. I'd like to see how this plays out, but it better be good
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*sigh*
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First of all, that was the whole point. The reason they picked Jay is because anyone with any knowledge of the comics will instantly dismiss him because "they wouldn't make Jay the bad guy." Jay wasn't even really on my list of subjects until the Earth 2 episodes... Henry, Joe, and Wally were more viable subjects in my eyes. Even the reveal that Hunter Zolomon was his doppleganger didn't really phase us, because there's NO WAY they would make Jay the villain. And they aren't... they've left enough clues that the REAL Jay is the dude we saw kidnapped in the Earth 2 episodes, and the producers have stated that the Jay we've seen under Zoom's mask is actually Hunter Zolomon. We just don't know HOW just yet.
That said, I've been streaming flash with one of my friends who isn't really into comics, and in the first 6 episodes he had figured it out. Jay being Zoom just fits the show's narrative better, and fits with the whole evil mentor figure thing they had last season. The pieces are right there in plain sight, even from the start.
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The thing I'm confused about is who did Zoom kill when he pulled a Jay through the portal?
We know Zoom is a Jay/Zolomon.
We know he killed a Jay/Zolomon.
We know there's a Zolomon on Earth 1.
I'm just not sure yet how the pieces come together.
My current guess is each Earth has a Jay and a Zolomon. Zoom is Earth 2's Zolomon, and he killed Earth 2's Jay who was the hero team Flash worked with. Or maybe there's only one Jay and Zolomon and Zoom has always been from Earth 1?
Am I missing something?
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Reminds me of the Dr. Doom/Kang/Rama Tut/Scarlet Centurion/Immortus business they used to have over at Marvel...
:blink:
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I would have been waaaay more satisfied with this angle if Zoom turned ou to be Barry. To me that makes much more sense. Zoom or Barry would die, turn into lightning, and strike Wally West giving him speed powers. That's how it should have been. Now, they've introduced Wally and done next to nothing with him. Whereas we can already see the makins of Jesse Quick.
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The simple fact is, we don't have all the pieces yet. I think the next episode (which isn't for a few weeks, grr) will lay a lot more out (the episode is wholly about zoom and the preview outright talks about Hunter Zolomon being a serial killer) so I'm content to wait and see for now.
As for Wally... Your point is? Roy first showed up in Arrow season 1, but he didn't officially join arrow until mid-season 2, and he didn't get an actual costume until Season 3. I'm perfectly fine with them slowly building him up, rather than pulling some stupid "oh hey, here's a new character, he's a part of the team now" BS like I've seen on some shows. And while he's definitely been sidelined lately, I like the dynamic he has with Barry, since they've shown that he has his own unique talents and how he could potentially be an ally for Barry even before he gets powers.
One big question on my mind is: Why in the opening credits does Barry say he's "The fastest man alive"? he's already seen so many that a re much faster...is this statement made by a future Barry? Now that's the real paradox.
And maybe we'll see black flash someday
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Quote from: thalaw2 on April 03, 2016, 05:14:35 PM
One big question on my mind is: Why in the opening credits does Barry say he's "The fastest man alive"? he's already seen so many that a re much faster...is this statement made by a future Barry? Now that's the real paradox.
lol :D
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And maybe we'll see black flash someday
At first I thought the that's what the Time Wraiths were.
I'm happy with Wally so far, it's what I was expecting. First they need to build the bonds between the different characters, and I expect around the season finale he'll get his powers, or something that sets up him getting powers in season 3.
I wouldn't expect Kid-Flash (I wonder if they'd actually use that name? I kinda doubt it except as a joke) until sometime next season.
I expect it'll be said in jest, and they'll either give him a proper name, or have him just be another Flash.
Maybe he'll be called Flashy...then Impulse will be called Flashier, and Jesse will be called Flashett.
Flash, Flashy, Flashier, and Flashett....I like the sound of that.
Quote from: Tomato on April 03, 2016, 06:45:04 PM
I expect it'll be said in jest, and they'll either give him a proper name, or have him just be another Flash.
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I'm sure the name will be mentioned, but I'm not sure they'll use it as a full time name (though Thea does go by Speedy...). I'm not clear how old Wally is but he's at least in college already and he might not be much younger than Barry, Keiynan Lonsdale is only a year younger than Grant Gustin.
If they don't use Kid-Flash, I wonder what name they would use?
I wonder why they didn't use a younger actor for Wally. I like the guy they went with but he's definitely not going to be called Kid Flash. I know a lot of people are anti-child which I don't really understand and also it is difficult to find kids who can act well so it makes some sense.
Flash back:
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The time wraith was wearing a Flash costume, right? That opens up some interesting possibilities. The undead version of a Flash whose earth was destroyed by time travel? Spooky. Maybe I didn't see it right though. Bringing the Pied Piper in Michelle Trachtenberg style was pretty neat too. I'm glad this show has embraced time travel and alternate earth shenanigans so well, it really is the best thing on TV.
The Show's people have confirmed that
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Their version of Jay Garrick is most definitely NOT a villain. This seems to me to confirm that they man in the mask is the real Jay.
http://screenrant.com/flash-greg-berlanti-jay-garrick-villain/
I just saw this week's episode and...
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is anyone else concerned that the character's on this show just became terminally stupid? Through the whole speedforce draining and transferal scene I was waiting for the clever plan, the villain double cross, anything, but nope! In the same episode where they learn Zoom was a serial killer before even getting powers, and Barry has finally got the speed advantage against him (as demonstrated by already beating him once that episode) our heroes go along with the villain's plan even after he has returned the hostage. I've been having some concerns this season about the long-term viability of this show, and this episode raised those to a whole new level.
^I second that.Their lack of plan made very little sense.
Quite the episode! A thing we have been waiting to happen all season has now happened as well as something we didn't expect.
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Barry Allen is seemingly killed during the attempt to repower him, but as his disentegrating essence leaves, it strikes both Wally and Jesse, so I'm guessing they now have super speed as well, or will now start developing it.
And of course he isn't dead, and the preview for new episode spoiled what did happen to him.
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Quite the episode! A thing we have been waiting to happen all season has now happened as well as something we didn't expect.
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Barry Allen is seemingly killed during the attempt to repower him, but as his disentegrating essence leaves, it strikes both Wally and Jesse, so I'm guessing they now have super speed as well, or will now start developing it.
And of course he isn't dead, and the preview for new episode spoiled what did happen to him.
It was an episode to watch indeed.
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I'm going to have to rewatch to see how Wally and Jesse gets hit and the others did. Either way, I have doubts we'll see Kid Flash or Jesse Quick this season. Maybe they'll use their powers in the finale, but costumed...
Moreover, I got reminded of the episode "Hearafter" from the Justice League when Toyman "disintegrated" Superman. Batman's theory(or his facts) was matter can't be destroyed, but only changes form. Makes me wonder if this was a similar situation how is his costume torn.
But a good episode. Particularly then latter part.
Anyone have any guesses about the big hint dropped tonight
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Namely that Garrick is the maiden name of Barry's paternal grandmother. Did we even hear Earth 2 Barry's last name? I'm wondering if the real Earth 2 Garrick hidden under that iron mask is in fact the Earth 2 Henry Allen.
Wow... Gotta say I never thought about it, but at the same time it's what I actually wanted from the start.
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From the get-go when they announced that they were bringing in John Wesley Shipp, I hoped that he would play Jay Garrick. It would make sense from the last guy to play the Flash plays the "older Flash". Was disappointed when he was just "dad" and only in for a handful of episodes. But now with them bringing him back, and Teddy Sears is Hunter Zoloman of Earth 2, then that would allow JWS to be Jay Garrick of Earth 2. Knowing that Garrick is the family name, which would also be the family name from Earth 2. Henry Allen of Earth 2 is indeed Jay Garrick. I like that theory so much, I'd be disappointed if he isn't.
Fun fact I just realized: the actors playing Henry Allen and Barry Allen are both from the same hometown as I am.
It was a pretty exciting cliffhanger, and I was thinking in the closing moments of the show the possibilities from a storytelling point of view you could go with from there...
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Can you imagine if they kept Barry dead, or alive but depowered, and actually made Wally and Jessie (with powers of course) the new main characters? How ballsy would that be? But then you have to take a step back and realize that if anything like that actually happened, the media hype machine, rumor mill and promotional circuit (just look at how many plot turns get spoiled in these shows through on set photos of the characters) would have spoiled the hell out of it weeks, if not months in advance. I can just imagine the headlines now: "Game-changing event", "Bold New Direction", "Is Grant Gustin leaving "The Flash?"
Canada didn't even get the next episode preview (showing the preview for this week's Legends of Tomorrow instead, which they've aired like a million times by then) so I didn't even know where they were going. Now that I do, I'm a little disappointing, but the prospect of a "Hereafter" esque story sounds intriguing. Bonus points if Vandal Savage is there at the end of civilization.
I feel like I both like and don't like the current arc in Flash. I like seeing where the story goes and Zoom (as voiced by Tony Todd) is a suitably menacing presence as a villain, and I like the returning characters and such, but it kinda feels like the plot getting stretched out as much as possible at this point.
@Silver Shocker
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First of all, episode preview is up at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq2ocveLT-Y on the official DC Entertainment YouTube channel, since that's how I have to see it (I watch everything on Hulu). Second, I think you've misinterpreted what Shogunn was saying. Watch the preview, because I believe he was talking about more HOW Wells and Cisco figure out Barry isn't dead, more than a "he's in the future" timeline.
Oh ok. Yeah I definitely didn't get his meaning. I'll have to put that preview on and check it out.
The Prophets from DS9 were actually Speed Force?Makes sense. :)
Tuesday's episode was wonderful, I am so glad they added the spiritual nature of the speed force to an already great show... there are so many things they can do with this aspect of the Flash's story.
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The Prophets from DS9 were actually Speed Force?Makes sense. :)
That is exactly what I thought! Though being a good Starfleet officer, I mentally put it as 'Wormhole aliens.'
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It was awesome to see the main characters from the OG Flash back together! I sooooooo hope that they don't kill Henry Allen off. I'd still watch the show, but I was really looking forward to how the writers would fit Henry into the show. I guess their ain't enough money to keep the cast so large. Maybe Dr. Mcgee will still be around.
@thalaw
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I think Henry is dead, but the actor will remain in the series as the "real" Jay Garrick. They hinted at that when Henry said his mother's maiden name was Garrick, and John Wesley Shipp got coy months ago about donning a flash costume again. Not to mention how many fans were hoping he would be Garrick back when he was initially cast.
My thinking on how this will work
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Once Barry takes down Zoom, he will take his speed back, but won't need it any more, so he'll give it to the real Jay Garrick so that Earth 2 can have a Flash too.
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Quote from: Spade on May 11, 2016, 08:36:40 AM
The Prophets from DS9 were actually Speed Force?Makes sense. :)
That is exactly what I thought! Though being a good Starfleet officer, I mentally put it as 'Wormhole aliens.'
What about aliens from the planet Scalos?
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Quote from: Spade on May 11, 2016, 08:36:40 AM
The Prophets from DS9 were actually Speed Force?Makes sense. :)
That is exactly what I thought! Though being a good Starfleet officer, I mentally put it as 'Wormhole aliens.'
What about aliens from the planet Scalos?
Nice reference -- I admit I had to google that one to match the planet to the episode. They definitely struck me as more like the wormhole aliens/prophets though--vaguely helpful, but also kinda pointless most of the time. That, and the using other cast members to talk to our hero through.
My theory was mostly right!
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The man in the mask is Jay Garrick/alt Henry Allen! Only part I got wrong was that he came from a different earth. Very nice to see him in a Flash suit again.
Also, Flashpoint! A season after I was expecting it. Maybe. We actually don't know what the results will be, so it may not be the same.
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A friend of mine who isn't familiar with the comics was discussing it with me, and we hit on an interesting theory... with Flash stopping Thawne, we're actually back to the original timeline... meaning this is potentially the timeline where Barry first encounters the Reverse Flash, AND the one where he ends up telling his younger self NOT to change the timeline. It's also (potentially) the timeline where he inadvertantly creates the conflict with Reverse Flash.
In other words, we're actually coming back to where RF was at the beginning of this whole mess.
Edit: Just because I wanted a clear shot of it after the episode and looked it up-
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(http://i.imgur.com/e8aiWIb.jpg)
John Wesley Shipp as The Flash.
It's not really old fashioned enough, but I like it.
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Shipp just had an interview about this in which he seems to hint that he's not done with the show in his new role as Jay Garrick and seems to indicate that he'll be showing up in Legends of Tomorrow with the Justice Society, or at least a version of the character will.
http://screenrant.com/flash-season-3-jay-garrick-jsa-legends-tomorrow/
http://www.slashfilm.com/the-flash-tom-felton/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/the-flash-tom-felton/)
Draco Malfoy is coming to Central City. :)
Kid-Flash revealed! (http://tvline.com/2016/07/12/wally-west-kid-flash-photo-the-flash-season-3-spoilers/)
And he looks great!
I love it! :thumbup:
I like that the series will be exploring Flashpoint. I'm really excited to see how this is handled in a TV series.
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I like that the series will be exploring Flashpoint. I'm really excited to see how this is handled in a TV series.
Hopefully due to the changes in the timeline, Barry won't be as much of an idiot as last season.
New Flashpoint Trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LGQRbPERaU
Well that was unexpected and even a bit disappointing
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I really didn't expect Flashpoint to end that quickly and for that small (IMO) of a reason.
Still, he's permanently altered his timeline in a number of ways, so we'll see just how that goes. It seems like all the major events are there, but he's altered some relationships and the like. I can't say that I care for using that to add more drama for no good reason.
The action was still good and I liked the Rival.
Episode was alright.
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I was surprised Flashpoint ended in one episode. Kinda thought it might last a while.
I liked seeing Wally in costume. I wonder if/when they'll get him back in it.
I did have one interesting speculation watching the end. Thawne warns Barry about changes to the timeline and I'm wondering if he's left a new surprise for him in the form of Tom Felton's character.
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That's the thing about the episode.. Flashpoint didn't start and end in that episode.. That's the twist.. It's the theme of the whole season. Eobard killed his mother just like should have but he also messed with the timeline to his advantage after returning Barry home. "Oh, you will find out." He knew that putting Barry in a no win situation that he would be let loose and might as well make things worse for everyone.
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I've got big (and growing) problems with how this show is treating time travel. First, they're acting like the timeline where his mother dies is the original, but Reverse Flash changed the past by killing her. Also, while they're demonstrating some long-term changes to the present, some that should happen haven't (or at least haven't been shown). For instance, if the Reverse Flash wasn't stuck in the past now, did Harrison Wells still get killed? Why did the Flash get his powers so early (they said earlier that Harrison/Reverse Flash made the accelerator explode to get Flash his powers sooner than originally) Is Eddie dead? (It's also never made sense that if Eddie is dead, why isn't Flash's mom alive? If Eddie is dead the Reverse Flash should never have existed, so how could he kill Flash's mom? How could he do anything? The whole timeline should have changed when Eddie shot himself).
This show is handling time travel so poorly, and it's such a major part of the show that I'm really getting turned off. Here's hoping things improve.
About his mother and the ending of season 1.
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They earlier explained that past events like that which would be negated by future actions still exist by a pocket timeline. It doesn't make sense if you think too hard about it, but nothing about time travel ever usually does.
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I've got big (and growing) problems with how this show is treating time travel. First, they're acting like the timeline where his mother dies is the original, but Reverse Flash changed the past by killing her. Also, while they're demonstrating some long-term changes to the present, some that should happen haven't (or at least haven't been shown). For instance, if the Reverse Flash wasn't stuck in the past now, did Harrison Wells still get killed? Why did the Flash get his powers so early (they said earlier that Harrison/Reverse Flash made the accelerator explode to get Flash his powers sooner than originally) Is Eddie dead? (It's also never made sense that if Eddie is dead, why isn't Flash's mom alive? If Eddie is dead the Reverse Flash should never have existed, so how could he kill Flash's mom? How could he do anything? The whole timeline should have changed when Eddie shot himself).
This show is handling time travel so poorly, and it's such a major part of the show that I'm really getting turned off. Here's hoping things improve.
Jeez, man I you just ruined the whole season for me. Lol
But heck, you're right.
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It doesn't make a heap of sense. I was think about that after Reverse Flash killed Nora and took Barry back to the future(present). I immediately begin to try to remember "why isn't the reverse flash in the present again?" Oh, he's Harrison Wells. Why is he Harrison Wells? Oh, because he needed to make the Particle Accelerator go off sooner. Why did it need to happen sooner? Oh because he needed Barry to become the Flash. Why did he need Barry to become the Flash? Oh so the Flash can take him back to the future(future). Why couldn't he go back to the future? Oh because he began to lose his speed...
Well, if he begin to lose his speed, then how did he take Barry back to the present to begin with? That bothered me. It bothered me that there was just something randomly wrong with Iris... I'm sure they'll explain it, but now I almost feel like watching a tv show midway through the 3rd season without having watched the previous 2 and a half seasons. Like I didn't watch Supergirl. I saw the first episode, the Henshaw reveal and the Flash crossover. But if I start watching season 2, will feel like I missed some things? That's how I think I'll feel watching the Flash. Okay, Barry was raised by Joe, I get it. He has a thing for Iris, I get that. Joe found Wally... how? He's beefing with Iris?
And now Talavar's annoyingly great points he made(annoying because now the show's having a hard time making sense). If Eobard Thawn can just run up and down the timeline after killing Nora, then what need does he have for Harrison Wells? And if he doesn't need to be Harrison Wells, how is Barry the Flash in 2016 when Wells doesn't build the Particle Accelerator until 2020. And like he said, in 2015 Eddie Thawn killed himself. And thus killed Eobard Thawn... and if Eobard Thawn is dead, then how does he go back to kill Nora? Or when Barry rescues his mom, he also rescued Eddie and Eobard Thawn. He stopped him from killing Nora. So then he doesn't lose his speed, he doesn't kill Harrison Wells, who doesn't build the Particle Accelerator in 2014, which doesn't create the Flash, who doesn't fight the reverse flash in 2015 and Eddie Thawn doesn't shoot himself in 2015 to stop the Reverse Flash from existing... which allows him to go back and kill Nora. But why would he do that if the Flash never existed? Or the Flash did exist, just in 2020 when the Particle Accelerator was built. So what's going on in 2016?
Or maybe just after he dropped Barry off, he went back to 1999 and took Harrison Well's place anyway.
One thing is for sure, when you're dealing with time, everything has to happen the way it did or anything can change. This is getting a little too messy.
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About his mother and the ending of season 1.
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They earlier explained that past events like that which would be negated by future actions still exist by a pocket timeline. It doesn't make sense if you think too hard about it, but nothing about time travel ever usually does.
I guess. But I'm a Doctor Who fan, which has ranged from the awesome to the abysmal in its uses of time travel, and the Flash has been worse than it at its worst when it comes to making any kind of sense.
Yeah, I thought the episode was good, but really... rushed. And that's not an intentional speed pun. :P They did in one episode what should have taken at least 3-5 episodes.
And in reference to the time travel, I was able to make sense of it in season 1, but season 2 was quite inconsistent with itself and often went against the rules established in season 1.
Man none of that bothers me at all on account of time travel isn't real and I definitely can't say "that's not how that works." The show handles time travel in a way that makes it a good show.
Quote from: BWPS on October 20, 2016, 02:55:19 PM
Man none of that bothers me at all on account of time travel isn't real and I definitely can't say "that's not how that works." The show handles time travel in a way that makes it a good show.
It bothers me because it's neither consistent nor convincing, and has mainly been used as a character development reset button/randomizer. But I think I'm coming to the realization that the Flash isn't for me. Like Smallville before it, the promise of the first season is being frittered away on a long slide downhill.
These past few episodes have been kinda...slow.
It's terrible that the science behind the speed force that was established in season 1 has been thrown out the window this season.
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How is Jessie to operate at a high level without experiencing any of the problems Barry had in Season 1?
It seems that the show has been "Nerfed." The plots are simple and uncomplicated in the last 2 episodes. I'm sure most of us can guess what's going to happen in the next episode or two. I really hope things get better soon.
Is it me or is the show getting progressively worse still? It's so sad. I'm still living off residual excitement from the last 2 seasons and that keeps me tuning in to this show.
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I do not like the H.R. Wells non scientist! I suppose he has an idea for a time machine.
Yeah,its kinda falling into same problems like Arrow.
Maybe they should have found Wells whos a lawyer working out of a bowling alley.
Honestly my biggest concern is that they've toned down one of their biggest appeals, and that is Cisco's personality. He just isn't as zany as he used to be.
They turned Shade into smoke-monster-of-the-week.And then Megatron shows up? :|
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They turned Shade into smoke-monster-of-the-week.And then Megatron shows up? :|
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Shade got captured and arrested so I'm sure he will be showing up again and probably more comic accurate (unless he is killed first). Now Savitar thinks he is THE God Of Speed plus there is nods to Godspeed (a current Flash villain wearing a suit of speed force) in his appearance but they wanted to give folks a shock who were tired of Reverse Flash, Zoom/Black Flash, and Rival just just looking like normal looking guys.
Shade was a bit anticlimactic, but otherwise I thought the episode was good.
This ep was better than other eps. this season, but I don't think that's saying much. H.R. needs to ether go or get a serious upgrade IMO.
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This ep was better than other eps. this season, but I don't think that's saying much. H.R. needs to ether go or get a serious upgrade IMO.
H.R. is starting to push me away from the show, he has got to go, period.
Really? I kinda like HR, he's filling the void that Cisco left when Cisco got all mopey.
I agree to a point, but he's not really good at it. He's easily the least interesting cast member right now, and considering how he was THE cornerstone of season 1 that's kind of sad.
That having been said... While I think Flash is easily the worst executed of the 3 main Arrowverse shows right now (Supergirl is kind of doing its own thing) I will say that, overall, I like how the narratives have been structured this season. For a few years the shows have been hampered by having all the long-term narrative focused on a single villain, with most of the other Antagonists relegated to villain-of-the-week status. Arrow in particular has been a victim of this structure, with SO MUCH focus given to Damian last season right from the start that I was just bored of him by the end of the season. This year, the three shows have been taking a more intricate approach... Arrow started off with Church, dropped hints of the season's main threat (Prometheus) before giving him an episode, but now has backed off again to focus on another antagonist. Similarly, Legends may focus on Reverse Flash as it's main baddie, but they brought back Damian, and it sounds like they're setting up a full on Legion of Doom. And Flash has also been spending a bit more time developing secondary antagonists beyond what we're used to seeing.
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BTW, calling it now... Doctor Alchemy is either Julian, or we're meant to think he is. The line about him being absent during the raid was a bit obvious.
I strongly disliked season 3 of Arrow and the first season of Legends, so I haven't been watching them. Would you say they've improved since then?
@Tomato That would be way too obvious.
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I strongly disliked season 3 of Arrow and the first season of Legends, so I haven't been watching them. Would you say they've improved since then?
Both shows have gotten better. Legends especially since they're no longer chasing Vandal Savage around and have some new members of the team.
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I strongly disliked season 3 of Arrow and the first season of Legends, so I haven't been watching them. Would you say they've improved since then?
Legends is practically a different show. Actually, the last couple episodes of the first season are quite good, especially since they are the only ones that matter
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As it's revealed that the entire rest of the season they have pretty much just been unknowing puppets of the Time Masters making the entire season up to that point utterly pointless.
The show no longer had that premise though and is mostly a time travel adventure show. The episodes are mostly stand alone, so no reason not to just jump back in, although the next episodes will be the four series crossover anyway.
First... it's a couple weeks after the fact but... *cough*called it*cough*
Second
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Can we just talk about the fact that they cast Tom Felton to be a villain that wields the Philosopher's Stone?
I admit the show is looking much better now. However, I still want scientist H.R. Wells back. Is Tim C. being punished for something by the studio?
https://medium.com/@demiurgent/my-name-is-eric-burns-white-and-i-have-almost-always-hated-barry-allen-f7a8e79abf86#.weudg5lb0
I've actually read this article a few times (it was written during season 1), but I come back to it every so often. Ironically, it's more poignant in the years since (ala BvS, Suicide Squad, and even Civil War) than it was when I first read it.
^I could agree about Barry being a bit bland(in the comic),but Im not sure if hes a republican. ;)
TBF, even the article kinda disputes that moniker, but I think the intent behind it was not so much a political one... as the article says "for Barry Allen to have politics he'd actually have to have enough of a character to possess a political opinion." It's more his general attitude... he's a clean cut, square jawed CSI who is so perfect he squeeks. People give Superman a hard time for that, but he's got nothing on Barry Allen. He's a good man with no interesting characteristics in the midst of entire Leagues and Societies worth good men who have actual pathos.
But then, what makes Barry boring in the original comics is also why I still love the TV series, warts and all. In a world where Superman has to kill people to stay relevant, Barry Allen laments even the death of his childhood Bully. I have friends who won't even bother with SHIELD anymore, but who still love Flash.
It was the 60's,everyone was bland.On the other hand,competition had sexism and xenofobia.Nobody was perfect.
I'm surprised no one else brought it up yet, so I will.
The Gorilla City two-party just finished and I thought they were fantastic. Probably the best two episodes this season. I like how Grodd really does come across are truly intelligent.
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Since he basically outmaneuvers everyone all at once in the first part in a plot that actually makes total sense once you realize what he pulled off. Even in the second one, he doesn't do the obvious invade the city with apes, but tries a more sophisticated tactic first. Really solidified Grodd as a truly intelligent and dangerous foe, ape or not.
I saw the Music Meister crossover. In reality, the character is Music Meister in name only. His powerset, motivation, background, and everything else about him is completely different. Also the episode wasn't really that good. It wasn't bad, but it was entirely focused on the romantic drama that I have no interest in anyways and appears to have been shoved into both shows just so it could be resolved in this crossover.
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This version of Music Meister seems to be something like a benevolent Mr. Mxyzptlk. He's an extra-dimensional being who "teaches" people in distress lessons by trapping them in a fiction reality based on whatever their current interests are. In this case, musicals. He also seems to be able to siphon superpowers, although that's never actually explained, nor is the way he seems to act like a bad guy only to be revealed to be good. In fact, the name makes no sense either, since his powers have nothing to do with music; Kara and Barry both happen to like musics, so they get trapped in one. It's all quite confusing really.
One thing I did like though, was finally seeing Cisco in costume and one the field. I dont' recall that happening before.
I enjoyed the crossover, but yes, the Music Meister was an odd version of the character.
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nor is the way he seems to act like a bad guy only to be revealed to be good.
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He was "robbing" the bank with heat vision to get Wally's attention, to help Wally out as well. Wally got "back on the horse" per se, said he wasn't afraid, and was laughing by the end of the fight when he knocked out Music Meister.
I really liked the episode. Though, I'm a bit biased I suppose as I enjoy musicals in general. But even the musical part aside,
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The fight with Cisco, Martian Manhunter, and Kid Flash was really, really, really cool to watch.
This week on DRAGON BALL Z..... No seriously, the plot of this week's Flash was totally a plot twist in Dragon Ball Z.
It's also got a subplot straight out of Seinfeld......Ralph Dibney is killing Independent Cisco!
Had one big issue with this week's episode: The last time we saw Jay, he mentioned he was training a new female Flash. So no mention of her whatsoever this episode. When are we actually going to find out more about her? During Crisis?
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Also guessing that Cisco is going to get his Vibe powers back, because why would he even be in costume in the future if he has no abilities?
He did mention that he had retired from heroing, so they did acknowledge that much at least.
We've got the death of a Flash actor, sad to say...
16-year-old Logan Williams has passed away. He played the younger version of Barry Allen seen in flashbacks. A Vancouver-born Canadian actor, which is extra sad for me as a Canadian and a lifelong fan of Canada's active acting industry.
Cause of death has not been disclosed to the public (which seems to be a common practice right now - the Japanese entertainment industry has been doing the same thing) - but what has been disclosed is that the family of the deceased were not able to grieve properly due to social distancing. That's gotta be extra sad and my sympathies towards them.
I do wonder, should Flash continue, what will happen the next time they need to show a kid Barry in flashbacks. They'll either have to recast him, use archived footage, avoid showing his face, or use special effects or digital trickery. I'm curious to see what they'll do in the future.
It's a shame because the most recently released episode of Supergirl featured a cameo by the now-somewhat-older actress who played the high-school-aged version of Alex Danvers which was a highlight of the episode.
I mean, much as I hate to say it, I doubt it'll change anything. Most of that sort of thing tends to be plotted out once they know the actor is available or will be in town or whatever. And any scenes set in the past when Barry was a child/teen would almost have to be digitally put together or re-cast anyway... I was looking at some more recent photos after finding out, and the kid had a jawline that'd make BTAS Batman proud. Not saying some decent makeup and a bit of cgi wizardry couldn't have closed the gap, but they'd for sure have to recast him for kid Barry regardless.
That said, I hope they do a tribute to him somehow. I know Grant was one of the people who first went public about it, but I don't know how far into production and filming they got before the lockdown.
Well you can take my post one of 2 ways. Am I concerned about the mechanics of what they'll do next time we see Kid Barry (I talked about the same thing when Carrie Fisher and Stan Lee passed away?) Or I more bummed out that this kid died and that was the first thing I saw when I turned on my tv tonight (on the news ticker on the TV Guide channel)?
It's the first one. I mean, it's both, but it's more the first one on the ratio.
It just bummed me out more than most because 1) He's a kid, and that's always extra sad, 2) This was my slap of reality moment where "Yes, someone working on someone I love is going to die right now" and 3. He's Canadian, and us Canadians gotta stick together.