I recently had a trip down memory lane, back to my college days and one of the comic shops down there and the fun we used to have chatting up the owner when we'd pick up our lists. It was the mid-90s and Image/Rob Liefeld were big, which should explain the following.
The owner got a promo poster for a new book from image by someone I didn't know but was obviously a Liefeld protege.
It was "Knightmare"
It was comedy gold.
Spoiler
(http://stkp.com/knightmare_ugh.jpg)
Even the owner thought it was hillarious. Besides being mostly generic 90's grim-n-gritty, strap-ilicious, pouch-tastic, and armor-ific, it has the SHOULDERPADS. Yes, we must say it in all caps because these were SHOULDERPADS, so big we concluded that if he raised his arms above shoulder hieght, he'd crush his little head. We'd mime it out from time to time "I AM KNIGHTM-CLAAAANG!! owwie"
The actual issue of course had the SHOULDERPADS changing size from panel to panel, not because it was a power, but because the artist was of questionable talent. We were mildly dissappointed, but had expected as much.
EDIT: And here are covers for those curious.
So, I ask you out there... what are you all time favorite examples of bad super costume design?
My only critera:
- It is a costume, not part of the character's body (like hair, horns, etc.) We can't help the way we are born/mutated
- It is something that would have looked dumb in the period it was designed. For example, some of the stuff in the 60's looks goofy now, but at the time, it might have been quite trendy.
- It wasn't designed to be bad. (unless it's a really choice piece, in which case, post it anyway)
- Bonus points if the outfit physically hinders the wearer by getting in the way, restricting movement, hampering vision, crushes their head if they move their arms, etc.
I know someone out there has got to be able to top Knightmare and his SHOULDERPADS.
I love bad costume threads, I cant wait until I get home so I have access to photobucket and can post a few choice ones I love/hate.
Mento from the Original Original Doom Patrol. His first costume was bad, his second costume was hilarious and made the first one look good, and his third costume wasn't an improvement.
Bruno Premani was a good artist, but he just never got the hang of Mento. Can't remember if George Perez designed the third one, though.
Then there are all the Golden Age exhibitionists running around in briefs, boots, cape, cowl, and gloves. I've seen a lot of 'em while looking at GA stuff. I know Copper Age has theorized that some were actually supposed to be clothed, and the colorist just colored the body suit "flesh" tone, which says a lot more about the colorists than it does about the characters.
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb287/lonespaceranger/279756892_0b714fe590.jpg)
I can't find any illustrations of Mento's second or third costumes at all.
that horrible huh?
I've found a lot of the 80-90s costumes to be insanely insane.
Thick metal plates in random places with exposed skin between? SUCK!
Random cloth strips instead of sleeves/pant legs? SUCK!
then there's this trend with female characters not wearing pants... DOUBLE SUCK!
By comparison a skin tight body suit with weird pockets and straps is positively awesome!
markhawkman, find some links, post some examples! I wanna see the trainwrecks! :)
Moving on...
Quote from: Any episode of Chicken BooHe's a chicken, I tell ya'... A GIANT CHICKEN!
At first, I thought this character was designed as a joke. After reading his entry, I'm not so sure as it sounds pretty dark and serious - adept of Necromacy and voodoo, human sacrafice, zombies, deals with death and all. Heck, they even used him in Marvel Zombies so I hear.
Too bad he dresses like a giant chicken.
Okay..."rooster", but still.
Behold the Mighty Black Talon (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/blacktalon.htm)
I think Deadpool sums it up really well here (http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6844/1176727893187ew5sv7.jpg)
(note, the above was from my first comic exposure to the Black Talon, hence why I thought he was 100% gag based. )
This one may hurt
Spoiler
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e40/jfig92/2384new_storyimage1711570_full.jpg)
:lol:
The point of view in the last panel is entirely gratuitous!!
My eyes, my eyes!
vamp, that is one of the greatest costumes ever!
I love that Deadpool costume.
The costume I really hate is this one -
Spoiler
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2ziva7d.jpg)
Jackpot's gold, silver, studs, color choices, it is all wrong.
More deadpool mistakes
Spoiler
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e40/jfig92/430936-Deadpool_costumes.jpg)(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e40/jfig92/430930-Deadpool_AndySmith01.jpg)
The X-men outfit really did suck. I don't know, I just don't like it.
I never liked this one:
http://onceuponageek.com/images/aquacover19.jpg
Or this one:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/thumb/9/95/Ocean_Master_1.jpg/200px-Ocean_Master_1.jpg
Villains shouldn't wear pink.
And I hate how Ross draws Black Manta:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4b/Blackmanta.PNG/250px-Blackmanta.PNG
He just looks ridiculous, like he could tip over at any minute. That helmet is just ludicrous.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 23, 2009, 06:08:44 PM
And I hate how Ross draws Black Manta:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4b/Blackmanta.PNG/250px-Blackmanta.PNG
He just looks ridiculous, like he could tip over at any minute. That helmet is just ludicrous.
But... but I love it when Black Manta looks like an evil chess piece!
Anyways for your perusal I give you...
The Walrus (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/walrus.htm)
Gotta' love the rainbow "W."
AA: The thing about that outfit is that it might have worked... in the 70's, NOT in the year 2000+ And what exactly are her earrings hanging on? It looks like the mask covers her ears. Oy...
Vamp: Ah Deadpool. I'm surprised you didn't post his "Pimp my Armor" suit. That one's a classic. Truly though, that Marvel Girl Deadpool one is horrific. Even Beast is doing a facepalm.
Benton: Oh yes, the pastel wave outfit. That one didn't even last a year did it? Gads I hope not. I remember cringing when I saw solicits for that one.
Griz: Woo woo! That outfit will strike fear into the hearts of men. :P Love the clarification at the bottom
QuoteClarifications: The Walrus shouldn't be confused with:
A real Walrus. They're stronger, quicker, smarter, and can learn nifty tricks.
My turn again!
What does the name "BloodThirst" bring to mind? I bet it's not something like this:
http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/5000/4571/4571-38557-1-superman-the-man-of_400.jpg
eeeeeeeyeah.
I suspect this may be the reason he's one of Superman's lesser-than-lesser foes.
And... file this under "Nice Costume, where's the rest of it?" Marvel's "The Blue Blade"
Can you spot him in this cover from the recent series "The Twelve" (http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/twelve/TWELEVE001_cvr-06-tif.jpg)? I bet you can!
Some more images, including an original appearance just to prove that yes, it looked silly even back then (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/b/blueblade.htm)
There are some things that even updating can't save.
Oh oh oh.. And one more!
Now I admit, I do kinda like this character, but usually he dresses a little better than his first appearance.
Yes, nothing says "master thief" like hot pink tiger stripes and matching patent leather speedos and boots.
Guess who (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/punch360/2605_4_0266.jpg)
Glitchy I have gotta say... Blue blade... wow....
He looks happy... very VERY HAPPY... gay even...
That being said my first thought was GENERAL CUSTARD YOU FIEND!
Now for my other additions...
Speedball
He is secretly David Lee Roth (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/GrizzlyBearTalon/Freedom%20Reborn/speedballprofile.jpg)
And his updated self... Penance...
Mmmm... spikey... (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/GrizzlyBearTalon/Freedom%20Reborn/penance.jpg)
He is very emotinal (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/GrizzlyBearTalon/Freedom%20Reborn/glipenancejpgix7.jpg)
I'd like to clarify... I hate Speedballs' costumes... there MIGHT be one I can stand... however his Gigolorific costume is not that one. I'd also like to mention that I don't mind Penance' costume... my problem is that he went from Goofy Gigolo to CAPTAIN SPIKY BONDAGE so quickly as to be disturbing. I wouldn't mind seeing another character with the Penance costume... but seeing someone like Speedball rocking that... not so much...
Also everytime I think or say Speedball I think it is some bizarre drug reference.
Personally I never thought Vibe from the Justice League deserved to die, but then I remember his 1st costume.
(http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt226/raygunn6/96282-115070-vibe_super.jpg) (http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt226/raygunn6/vibe_breaking.jpg)
Quote from: President Raygun on May 23, 2009, 11:10:57 PM
Personally I never thought Vibe from the Justice League deserved to die, but then I remember his 1st costume.
(http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt226/raygunn6/96282-115070-vibe_super.jpg) (http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt226/raygunn6/vibe_breaking.jpg)
I would like to take this moment to point out that Vibe's real name was Paco Ramone. I have no idea if that would be considered a realistic name or not... but is really sounds stereotypical to me. I think I'll make him a partner named Sunstorm his real name shall be Muhammad Jihad. Together they will fight crime with the power of... I have no idea... but they'll probably go wreck a Trailer Park to take down Texas Twister! The evil redneck whose real name shall be Billy Ray Donny Bobby Lee Hunter Johnson, Jr. the Third.
Quote from: GrizzlyBearTalon on May 23, 2009, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: President Raygun on May 23, 2009, 11:10:57 PM
Personally I never thought Vibe from the Justice League deserved to die, but then I remember his 1st costume.
(http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt226/raygunn6/96282-115070-vibe_super.jpg) (http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt226/raygunn6/vibe_breaking.jpg)
I would like to take this moment to point out that Vibe's real name was Paco Ramone. I have no idea if that would be considered a realistic name or not... but is really sounds stereotypical to me. I think I'll make him a partner named Sunstorm his real name shall be Muhammad Jihad. Together they will fight crime with the power of... I have no idea... but they'll probably go wreck a Trailer Park to take down Texas Twister! The evil redneck whose real name shall be Billy Ray Donny Bobby Lee Hunter Johnson, Jr. the Third.
That's because someone so cool needs two first names
There are alot of bad designs out there...but these are the first ones I thought of.
Astonishing X-Men Beast - I'm not a fan of "Cat Beast" to begin with and this look just makes it worse.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v35/Courtnall6/beast.jpg)
The New Wasp - Ugh...he looks like he should be leading a college band or something.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v35/Courtnall6/250px-Henry_Pym_Earth-616.png)
Nothing is more boring to me than a plain clothes super hero/villain (there are very few exceptions). Superboy here is a good example of that. Yawn.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v35/Courtnall6/CK.png)
I don't mind street-clothes-wearing superheroes, but I don't like it when the artist can't commit to the idea. For example, in that Superboy pic, either those form-fitting jeans are made of something much stretchier than denim (e.g. spandex) or he needs an extra superpower to pull the narrow knee section over his calves. So, it looks like they aren't really committed to the costume idea: Either the artist wants to draw muscles, so he drawn an impractical-to-get-into pair of jeans, or the jeans are really spandex anyway, so why bother with the street clothes idea at all? At that point, he's not a superhero who is too cool or nonconformist to bother with a costume; he's just a superhero with a spandex costume that he's gone to extra trouble to make not look like a costume.
(BTW, I am an un-fan of the telekinetic clone Superboy, so forgive me if I am forgetting that he is secretly a shape shifter or something.)
:o
C6 I'll give you X-pants Beast and new Wasp (I kinda like both though), but Conner's t-shirt is one of my favorites!
I've got a couple I could add but I'll need to hunt down some pics.
Stumpy: for the record, there is such a thing as spandex jeans. I have a pair of boot cut ones, amazingly comfortable, and they fit... well not THAT tight, but pretty snug. I don't think they make them for guys though, at least, not at the stores I shop at.
Not saying I'm a huge fan of the Jeans/T-shirt look on him though.
C6: That's the new Wasp? Ugh. Pym can't design a costume to save his life. And poor Beast looks like he's wearing a diaper. Seriously, that waistline doesn't look good on ANYTHING and I see it pop up here and there lately. On guys it just makes them look like a muscular ice cream cone.
Must add a classic, the epitome of what was wrong with early 90's male superhero costumes.
Behold, the grandaddy of 'em all...
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/c_3d/cable.gif
I love this pic. You'll note on the side view there's a HUGE gap between the blue SHOULDERPADS (yes another one that earns caps) and his body. And if they're rigid, how does he bend over? And if they're not rigid, why the heck are they there? Bonus points for limiting your own movement!
Those SHOULDERPADS are pretty horrible...but Cable has had LOTS of terrible costumes...he's pretty much the poster child, along with Shatterstar, for everything that's wrong with 90's comics....pouches...ankle pouches!
RAWR! Blade before he learned of the joys of black leather.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/GrizzlyBearTalon/Freedom%20Reborn/342911-48536-blade_super.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/GrizzlyBearTalon/Freedom%20Reborn/Blademu2.png)
The 90s may have been horrible to most but they were good to ol' Blade. Ghost Rider too.
Quote from: GrizzlyBearTalon on May 23, 2009, 11:01:51 PM
Also everytime I think or say Speedball I think it is some bizarre drug reference.
Not that bizarre. ;)
Well, everyone knows that Liefeld is a master of costumes. Shoulderpads? check. Coils? check. Pouches? Gotta have more pouches. check. Ooh, kneepads. check. Well, here you go.
http://robliefeld.net/xf17.htm
Is Shatterstar wearing a half shirt? A since when did Proudstar have metal arms?
http://robliefeld.net/xf13.htm
http://robliefeld.net/xf30.htm
http://robliefeld.net/xf49.htm
Cable's diaper is full here.
http://robliefeld.net/past18.htm
http://robliefeld.net/past11.htm
http://robliefeld.net/past2.htm
http://robliefeld.net/past24.htm
http://robliefeld.net/past13.htm
One shot in the arm and pow!
http://robliefeld.net/xfc8.htm
Those are some excellent examples of awful Liefeld. I've gotta' ask though....is Domino...uneven? Also, color choice for part of her unmentionables there...unwise.
i give you ... the invisible woman:
(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/501318-invisible_woman_drew_johnson01_super.jpg)
'nuff said.
Gotta' love the cleavage in the 4. :P Who does she think she is, the White Queen?
i remember the issues she actually wore this. it was around the same time the thing had the metal helmet. does anyone know who the other invisible woman in the background is?
Quote from: Glitch Girl on May 23, 2009, 12:54:00 PMmarkhawkman, find some links, post some examples! I wanna see the trainwrecks! :)
thanoson provided a few:
http://robliefeld.net/xf30.htm
http://robliefeld.net/xf13.htm
http://robliefeld.net/xfc8.htm
another I found:
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/marrow-bigcostume1.jpg
And of course that hideous costume that Bearded posted a pic of....
Quote from: bearded on May 24, 2009, 03:44:03 AM
i give you ... the invisible woman:
(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/501318-invisible_woman_drew_johnson01_super.jpg)
'nuff said.
Ah yes...I remember that one. I wonder what the artist was thinking before he put pencil to paper.
"Hmmm...how can I really whore up Sue Storm?"
That sounds about right.
The Sue Storm costume was used when she was being influenced by the Malice personality again, which explains why she wore it. But it was still a bad idea.
There was a more toned down version of it (ie, showed less skin and no 4-logo cleaveage), which I actually liked somewhat. But this version just screams bad.
Hank Pym's Wasp costume beyond sucks. There's no point in the headgear unless the lenses have some kind of sensors or special lenses and the color scheme is downright awful, to begin with.
And lets face it, Superboy's street clothes may be bad, but they're miles better than what he was wearing when he was first introduced - even without the bad haircut and earring. Maybe put him in a modernized Superman type outfit, but with gloves or wristbands, the cape attached in a different way, and black instead of blue for the main color?
I've always liked this look for Superboy:
http://hallofheroes.free.fr/Images/Heros/superboy.jpg
So much so, in fact, that it is the version in the DCUG. :unsure:
But yes, even jeans (however tight) and a t-shirt are better than this:
http://paratime.ca/dclegends/pics/dcl/superboy001.jpg
Ahh...the 90's....
Quote from: Glitch Girl on May 24, 2009, 02:08:15 AM
Stumpy: for the record, there is such a thing as spandex jeans. I have a pair of boot cut ones, amazingly comfortable, and they fit... well not THAT tight, but pretty snug. I don't think they make them for guys though, at least, not at the stores I shop at.
Not anymore as far as I know. Back in the 80s Chuck Norris (Of course!) had some "action" jeans sold through martial arts magazines. They had stretch fabric and extra inseam.
RTT
QuoteBut yes, even jeans (however tight) and a t-shirt are better than this:
http://paratime.ca/dclegends/pics/dcl/superboy001.jpg
Ahh...the 90's....
Not a fan of that look either...but at the very least he
looks like Superboy and not just a fan of Superboy.
If you're going to pick on Blade's original costume, you have to pick on Luke Cage.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/11/Luke_Cage.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/11/Luke_Cage.jpg)
Angel also rocked a pretty crappy costume at one point:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/SHV2IkmoIMI/AAAAAAAACqQ/yc8TU6rrr3s/s400/ax+10.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/SHV2IkmoIMI/AAAAAAAACqQ/yc8TU6rrr3s/s400/ax+10.jpg)
The first time I saw it was via a C6 skin in his X-Men pack. My reaction was "did Angel really have that costume?"
Yeah, that's definitely one of the worst non-joke X-Men costumes. There was that one joke one though....
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/a/ae/Sh8.jpg
*cough*
Genocide in Gail Simone's Wonder Woman run takes the prize for the "I just pressed the Random button in City of Heroes" look.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_(comics) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_(comics))
I've never minded odd-looking costumes, like say, Al Pratt, the original Atom. But this one hurt the story in that it took all credibility away from what should have been a major threat.
Hey, I LOVE Al Pratt's original costume...it's just so...perfect for him. I'm a short man who's angry...'cause I'm short...I don't know, it's always completely worked for me, visually.
Dr Mike: Does she actually have spikes coming out of her eyewear? Bonus Points for limiting her field of vision on purpose!
RE: Sue Richards
I hated that costume so much. There's no way that "4" could hold it's shape unless it was lined with something which insulted my logic, and it was so non-Sue it insulted my common sense, and it was just kind dumb which insulted my taste. Didn't know there was a Malice connection to it, but that still doesn't salvage it. Bleah.
Quick rewind since I didn't get a chance to address Thanoson's Liefeld entry....
http://robliefeld.net/xf13.htm
Further proof that men should not wear strapless bustiers.
http://robliefeld.net/xf30.htm
Quote from: BentonGrey
Those are some excellent examples of awful Liefeld. I've gotta' ask though....is Domino...uneven?
They both are, and sadly, these are some of the better women he's drawn too.
http://robliefeld.net/past18.htm
Big shoulderpads, though not quite SHOULDERPADS. Close though. (and what the [bleep] is a "shetherd"? Should I know this? Should I care? Probalby not.)
http://robliefeld.net/past11.htm
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!
[gasp] Oh good grief, that is HILARIOUS!!! Leg pouches, belt pouches, back pouches... It's a pouch-tastic overload! Can we possible cram any more gear on him? And those boots, how does he WALK in those things? Oh lordy that's a keeper!
http://robliefeld.net/past24.htm
I've heard of helmet hair, but this is a little too much. Still, I remember this guy, and his shoulderpads used to be SHOULDERPADS. I wish I could find the shot - his head practically disappears into them.
http://robliefeld.net/xfc8.htm
Argh, my eyes. It's an even worse pouch-tastic overload. Does Liefled have a pouch festish? And the costumes... yerk. Unflattering cuts and designs, too many accessories, and the colors just claw at my eyeballs.
heh, I counted 47 pouches in that last pic GG. Wish I still had the Rob Liefeld drinking game.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 25, 2009, 02:19:55 AM
Hey, I LOVE Al Pratt's original costume...it's just so...perfect for him. I'm a short man who's angry...'cause I'm short...I don't know, it's always completely worked for me, visually.
The original Atom costume is basically a weightlifter/strongman getup with a cape and hood added. It even makes
sense for him to have bare arms and legs if you consder it that way. Not like The Blue Blade, Captain Wizard, Black Condor, Grim Reaper, and host of other GA heroes.
I think it's a game some artists are playing, like the "Headlight" game they played in the '40s and '50s. Then, the idea was to draw a woman's... headlights... as large and as prominently as possible and see if you could get away with it.
Nowaday's "headlights" are passse', so the artists are tying to see just how... extreme (I wonder if the censor software will get "fetishistic"?) and tasteless a drawing they can get away with, or how close to... let's call it
Strange &
Mysterious gear they can get past the censor. It's basically little boys drawing dirty pictures and seeing if they can get away with it.
That does not explain Rob Liefield's pouch obsession. Nor his problem with thighs.
Whaddya mean Daglob? Black Mary Marvel is an inspiring costume choice :P
http://fortressofortitude.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/final-crisis-5-8.jpg
Quote from: daglob on May 25, 2009, 04:38:48 AM
That does not explain Rob Liefield's pouch obsession. Nor his problem with thighs.
Or feet.
Right Daglob, that is what I was trying to get at about good 'ol Al.
Quote from: detourne_me on May 25, 2009, 06:33:23 AM
Whaddya mean Daglob? Black Mary Marvel is an inspiring costume choice :P
http://fortressofortitude.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/final-crisis-5-8.jpg
Ughhhh.....well, my fast of modern comics is reinforced once more. :(
Just to make sure we're clear, I was holding up Al Pratt as an example of a "bad" costume that works really well.
Its not sleek, the colours dont match up nicely, and it looks kind of homemade, just like it should for the tough little bruiser who hangs out with the superpowered crowd through sheer determination and guts. Something slick and designer-y would be wrong for him.
Regarding Mary Marvel - it works in the context of the story. She's been possessed by a creepy old man evil New God (Desaad) who's wearing her body. Yes, there are sexual undertones to this, but its well thought out and explicit in the sense of being up-front. Its not "little boys" trying to slip stuff in below the censors. I'm not saying that this doesn't happen ever, but thats one example where the costume was appropriate to the story.
Along those lines is the original GA Red Tornado's costume: it IS homemade. It works for the character too...
And I know all this is right out in the open (It's not something I'll let my granddaughter read until she's at least 21-but neither is The Spider), still, I wonder how much of that is the feeling they're putting one over on "the Man"... And while I aggree that if Desaad ever took over a woman's body, that this is the way he/she would probably dress (I mean, look at his NAME-if anything, it's rather tame), is it necessary? I mean the whole story and everything?
I will not get into a discussion about the apparent obsession with the literary defloration of Mary Marvel that seems to surface periodically, despite the fact that those seem to result in some particulary bad costumes.
Might as well bring this one up, since for some reason no one has...
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6376/astonishingxmenv30503.jpg
Now this was obviously a joke... but it has pouch overload and a tutu, so I'm posting it anyway.
O_o?
It has so many pouches that some are attached to his(?) gloves!
I have to say, I LIKE pouches, in moderation. the spandex body suit idea is one of the most impractical ideas ever. (easy to draw though...)
I can't believe that this (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6060/185964-2190-7067-2-daredevil_super.jpg) one hasn't been brought up yet. It had to be god-awful even back then, if it didn't last a full 12 issues.
Then there's this (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/m/marsman.htm) costume....or lack thereof. :o
Or this (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/q/quherc.htm) one.
Or this (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/h/hummet2.htm) one.
Can we detect a creepy trend? blech.
Here's a bunch for ya:
here (http://www.toymania.com/customcorner/cc19/worth.shtml)
Quote from: JeyNyce on May 26, 2009, 09:00:27 PM
Here's a bunch for ya:
here (http://www.toymania.com/customcorner/cc19/worth.shtml)
some of those are pretty cool.
Quote from: Panther_Gunn on May 26, 2009, 08:55:32 PM
I can't believe that this (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6060/185964-2190-7067-2-daredevil_super.jpg) one hasn't been brought up yet. It had to be god-awful even back then, if it didn't last a full 12 issues.
Then there's this (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/m/marsman.htm) costume....or lack thereof. :o
Or this (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/q/quherc.htm) one.
Or this (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/h/hummet2.htm) one.
Can we detect a creepy trend? blech.
Well, I hate to break the news to you, but all the cool kids will be wearing that kind of gear in the 30th Century. Lets hope you dont live long enough to see it! :P
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5bcfpMCxb6I/ST4V1CtkY9I/AAAAAAAADfQ/TXosHz7IUf0/s400/CosmicBoy4.jpg
I've got to say, Marsman's wonky silk bathing cap and shorts and gloves combo is an instant classic! I'm off to make a 30-mission mod anout him, right now!!!
Quote from: marhawkman on May 26, 2009, 08:19:57 PM
I have to say, I LIKE pouches, in moderation. the spandex body suit idea is one of the most impractical ideas ever. (easy to draw though...)
Me too actually. A few belt pouches seem infinitely practical for holding gadgets and gathering clues/evidence or whatnot. Anything more than a utility belt sort of thing is too much though.
Ughh....Cosmic Boy....*shakes head*
Quote from: Zippo on May 27, 2009, 12:06:15 AMQuote from: marhawkman on May 26, 2009, 08:19:57 PMI have to say, I LIKE pouches, in moderation. the spandex body suit idea is one of the most impractical ideas ever. (easy to draw though...)
Me too actually. A few belt pouches seem infinitely practical for holding gadgets and gathering clues/evidence or whatnot. Anything more than a utility belt sort of thing is too much though.
well, maybe toss in a few strategically located pockets. Cargo pockets RULE!
Please tell me that Cosmic Boy just came from a revival of "Rocky Horror" and that wasn't his standard uniform.
[shudder] What did I say about men and bustiers?
And Dr. Mike, you scare me.
Panther_Gunn: Man you found the treasure trove of shirtless wonders. Kinda creepy in a way.
Tomato: That's funny. He's got three X-men "X"s and a crop top as well. What issue was that from, I gotta know.
Pouches are like wine, good in moderation.
Re: Mary Marvel
I know the costume makes sense in context but... Well, it feels like Mary's been raked over the coals lately in a lot of ways, but I guess that's a whole other thread there.
Speaking of costumes....
Marvel Villains Assemble (http://www.flashring.com/xes/be7fbbc5/content/toons/tfunny/marvelvillainsassemble.shtml?content/toons/tfunny/marvelvillainsassemble.shtml), a flash animation. Very funny.
("I feel pretty." snicker, "That's.. a LOT of pink" snrk!)
Astonishing X-men #5. Gotta love the mullet too.
Quote from: Panther_Gunn on May 26, 2009, 08:55:32 PM
I can't believe that this (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6060/185964-2190-7067-2-daredevil_super.jpg) one hasn't been brought up yet. It had to be god-awful even back then, if it didn't last a full 12 issues.
Then there's this (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/m/marsman.htm) costume....or lack thereof. :o
Or this (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/q/quherc.htm) one.
Or this (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/h/hummet2.htm) one.
Can we detect a creepy trend? blech.
Daredevil's costume looks pretty good considering it was designed by a
blind guy. Most of these others don't have that excuse.
Yeah, I said that a lot of the Golden Age heroes were probably supposed to be in leotards and tights (just miscolored), but you seem to have found the mother lode of the ones who WERE NOT.
That particular costume of Cosmic Boy's always bothred me. I'd
like to think that it was miscolored, but I know it wasn't. It was misdrawn.
Hey, I like Marsman. Didn't Copper Age do the skin?
Or misdesigned? Some of the LoSH characters seem to have costumes that were created as afterthoughts...
I'd say his is by far the worst.
You could argue that Jack Kirby's New Gods and Eternals have either the best or worst costumes ... it comes down to personal taste.
Quote from: marhawkman on May 27, 2009, 03:28:32 AM
Or misdesigned? Some of the LoSH characters seem to have costumes that were created as afterthoughts...
I think I saw an interview with Dave Cockrum (referencing X-Men) in which he mentioned often taking some costumes out of his sketch book. Not an afterthought so much as trying to shoe-horn and existing design on to an existing character.
And when he wasn't in a leather-boy costume, Cosmic Boy wore pink...
I don't see why he bothered.... some of those designs SUCK.
Quote from: daglob on May 27, 2009, 02:53:16 AM
Yeah, I said that a lot of the Golden Age heroes were probably supposed to be in leotards and tights (just miscolored), but you seem to have found the mother lode of the ones who WERE NOT.
That particular costume of Cosmic Boy's always bothred me. I'd like to think that it was miscolored, but I know it wasn't. It was misdrawn.
Hey, I like Marsman. Didn't Copper Age do the skin?
I cannot really take credit for finding all of those.....I was perusing Vigilante's site again this morning, and was reminded of all three of those. I suppose I left out Cosmic Boy because I was trying to block out *most* of the Legion costumes from that era. *shiver*
Cosmic Boy's costume was neither miscoloured or misdrawn.
He was actually doing his bit for Earth during the great fabric shortage of the 2970's, when a massive cargo of silk, cotton, spandex and wool was hijacked by the space-pirate Nakedo and his sidekick, um... ShortsFinger.
Some inhabitants, like Cosmic Boy, opted for limiting their square centimetrage. Some just wore the same old costume for 20 years without washing it, like Ultra Boy. Other opted to have half their body removed and replaced with a naked robot duplicate. They were pretty exciting times, alright...
So lay off the poor guy or I'll have to provide some photographic evidence that this is all true!
Quote from: daglob on May 27, 2009, 04:28:15 AM
Quote from: marhawkman on May 27, 2009, 03:28:32 AM
Or misdesigned? Some of the LoSH characters seem to have costumes that were created as afterthoughts...
I think I saw an interview with Dave Cockrum (referencing X-Men) in which he mentioned often taking some costumes out of his sketch book. Not an afterthought so much as trying to shoe-horn and existing design on to an existing character.
And when he wasn't in a leather-boy costume, Cosmic Boy wore pink...
Yeah, but back then a lot of characters wore pink....I maintain it was just miscolored purple! Baron Zemo, Galactus, Ocean Master, and many others. :P
Welll... Not everybody can wear the "manly" colors. Otherwise comics would be boring.
Here are more.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7192/liefeld42pg.jpg
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/busted/images/060703/berzerkers.jpg
http://www.comics101.com/guestlecturer/images/view.php?src=../news/Guest+Lecturer/48/20thor.jpg&w=
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9453/newmutants09113yx2.jpg
Quote from: thanoson on May 27, 2009, 03:47:23 PM
Here are more.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7192/liefeld42pg.jpg
Internal organs? Who needs 'em!?
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 27, 2009, 04:18:20 PMQuote from: thanoson on May 27, 2009, 03:47:23 PMHere are more.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7192/liefeld42pg.jpg
Internal organs? Who needs 'em!?
I just assumed they were in the pouches.
BTW, I have a question about the girl in the red (the one whose left thigh is almost twice as large as the right, despite the thigh band armor restraining its aberrant growth). Is she actually wearing some sort of
armored metal waist tiara
and a diaphanous chiffon "baby doll" skirt? (Nevermind that I have no idea what that piece of armor is supposed to do, except bruise her sternum if she ever bends forward.) Why not have a Prussian spiked helmet on her head along with a wedding veil?
This is another thread that reminds that I have only seen Liefeld's art in forum threads decrying how bad it is, never in an actual comic. :lol:
Link to 40 Liefeld drawings with commentary (http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html)*
Looking through it I never realized just how much the man hates backgrounds but loves crayons! Who needs buildings when you got color outside the lines! woot!
Also amusing are how he tries to hide feet.
*Thar be salty language! Only talk fit for a pirate and/or adult!
Quote from: stumpy on May 27, 2009, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 27, 2009, 04:18:20 PMQuote from: thanoson on May 27, 2009, 03:47:23 PMHere are more.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7192/liefeld42pg.jpg
Internal organs? Who needs 'em!?
I just assumed they were in the pouches.
I lol'd a little.
Griz, might want to warn about the salty language there. Still some painful examples. like this one:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1298/liefeldbill23do1.jpg
Okay besides the phantom hand about to grope Deadpool, this thing is just unflattering yuck. On guys, emphasizing the abdomen instead of the waist rarely looks good. You start getting the "old-man" pants feel, like the waistline has wandered up to mid chest. The jacket may have worked on the Ray but on this guy, especially closed like that, no. Thumbs down.
http://www.comics101.com/guestlecturer/images/view.php?src=../news/Guest+Lecturer/48/20thor.jpg&w=
Nothing says "God of Thunder" like running lights down your thighs.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7192/liefeld42pg.jpg
Besides the painful bad anatomy, the tutu just isn't happening. And look, MORE POUCHES!!!
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/busted/images/060703/berzerkers.jpg
This is going to sound odd, but I don't hate any of these costumes. I DO hate how the characters wearing them are drawn (anatomy, shamatomy, it's supposed to be DYNAMIC! :P ). I honestly can't make heads nor tails out of the guy in the lower right, he looks like some kind of beetle the way he's bent over and I know that's not the effect they were aiming for. I also can't tell if the guy in the middle is holding weapons or his hands are guns. Overall the design of the costumes aren't remarkable but they aren't eye-clawingly bad either, they're just meh. It's the art that makes the characters suck.
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9453/newmutants09113yx2.jpg
"oh I'mmmmmmmmmmmmmm the maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan in a box!" :P
You know, if he ever has to bend over to tie his shoes, he's in trouble.
The real question is... what do you keep in that many pouches?
Quote from: daglob on May 28, 2009, 03:14:29 AM
The real question is... what do you keep in that many pouches?
Catnip
Quote from: Tomato on May 28, 2009, 03:53:44 AM
Quote from: daglob on May 28, 2009, 03:14:29 AM
The real question is... what do you keep in that many pouches?
Catnip
"Why do you...?"
"It's personal."
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7192/liefeld42pg.jpg
Try to get you wife/ girlfriend to wear that for Halloween.
http://i.somethingawful.com/fashion/comicSWAT/1.gif
Don't know what to say about that one.
There's a whole site about this:
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2916
Quote from: JeyNyce on May 28, 2009, 01:21:32 PM
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7192/liefeld42pg.jpg
Try to get you wife/ girlfriend to wear that for Halloween.
"Honey, it's not the pouches or the implants or the gallons of conditioner, it's having 20 feet of my intenstines removed that I object to..."
Quote from: JeyNyce on May 28, 2009, 01:23:54 PM
http://i.somethingawful.com/fashion/comicSWAT/1.gif
Don't know what to say about that one.
Space Jesus?
I like the "punched right through two ghosts" one myself.
http://i.somethingawful.com/fashion/comicSWAT/9.gif
QuoteWhoopie Goldberg: Mexican Samurai
:lol:
Quote from: JeyNyce on May 28, 2009, 05:23:09 PM
http://i.somethingawful.com/fashion/comicSWAT/9.gif
QuoteWhoopie Goldberg: Mexican Samurai
:lol:
Sweet Christmas! This needs to be a comic book/animated series/video game RIGHT NOW!!
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7192/liefeld42pg.jpg
That is a PERFECT example of what I was talking about earlier.
*lols at the many insane comments*
*reads the 40 picture Liefield suckitude*
It is SO much fun to hate him. I mean really.... I don't get how he became a professional artist.
I'm looking at that horrible pic above and I'm thinkinking Leifeld is so proud of that work.
Leifeld-"Let's see, they need swords, check. Ooh, cracked swords. Those are awesome. Damn, I wish I knew how to draw hands holding swords. Hell, holding anything. Hmm... I don't know what real girls look like. They have S-spines right? So, I either made one girl super tiny, or I made the other girl ginormous. Eh, still looks AWESOME!!! Hey, the big girl needs a tutu. There, that's looks tough AND sexy. Wait, pouches. Lot's of pouches. But the small girl will look like she has no waistline. Girls come in all shapes and sizes I say. Still, I think a couple of more pouches should do the trick. Now to sit back and watch the praise come in. I am so cool."
I think Leifeld isn't marry and/ or never seen a woman before.
Quote from: marhawkman on May 29, 2009, 01:22:51 AM
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7192/liefeld42pg.jpg
That is a PERFECT example of what I was talking about earlier.
*lols at the many insane comments*
*reads the 40 picture Liefield suckitude*
It is SO much fun to hate him. I mean really.... I don't get how he became a professional artist.
Yeah, it boggles the mind that the man got a job in the first place...but what really can make you crazy is trying to figure out how he managed to work SO FREAKING MUCH.
cheap labor?
Quote from: Glitch Girl on May 23, 2009, 12:54:00 PM
markhawkman, find some links, post some examples! I wanna see the trainwrecks! :)
Moving on...
Quote from: Any episode of Chicken BooHe's a chicken, I tell ya'... A GIANT CHICKEN!
At first, I thought this character was designed as a joke. After reading his entry, I'm not so sure as it sounds pretty dark and serious - adept of Necromacy and voodoo, human sacrafice, zombies, deals with death and all. Heck, they even used him in Marvel Zombies so I hear.
Too bad he dresses like a giant chicken.
Okay..."rooster", but still.
Behold the Mighty Black Talon (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/blacktalon.htm)
I think Deadpool sums it up really well here (http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6844/1176727893187ew5sv7.jpg)
(note, the above was from my first comic exposure to the Black Talon, hence why I thought he was 100% gag based. )
Chicken man got a new suit... that never stopped Deadpool from harassing him though...
Spoiler
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/GrizzlyBearTalon/Freedom%20Reborn/Marvel_Zombies_4_Vol_1_1_page_17_De.jpg)
If that is what he looks like now, I like it honestly.
However since this is about goofy costumes!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/GrizzlyBearTalon/Freedom%20Reborn/At-29-p00a.jpg)
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 29, 2009, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: marhawkman on May 29, 2009, 01:22:51 AM
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7192/liefeld42pg.jpg
That is a PERFECT example of what I was talking about earlier.
*lols at the many insane comments*
*reads the 40 picture Liefield suckitude*
It is SO much fun to hate him. I mean really.... I don't get how he became a professional artist.
Yeah, it boggles the mind that the man got a job in the first place...but what really can make you crazy is trying to figure out how he managed to work SO FREAKING MUCH.
I don't care about the visual aspect myself, since I view comics for the stories and characters more than anything else (shut up, Scott McCloud). But that's no excuse.
Also, I love how this thread is rapidly turning from "crappy costumes ahoy" to "Rob Liefeld sucks pouches."
No, he just happens to make horrible costumes as well :P
Umm... what is wrong with Charlie up above? That is, uh, hmmm.... uh.... wow.
Well, the fact is, Liefeld is responsible for a whole lotta crappy costumes, including the whole "Big shoulderpads, pouches, 'n guns" movement. It some ways it's too easy to find Liefeld stuff to pick on.
Griz: Who the heck is that in the middle? The Might Barrlel?
Quote from: Glitch Girl on May 30, 2009, 01:13:58 AM
Well, the fact is, Liefeld is responsible for a whole lotta crappy costumes, including the whole "Big shoulderpads, pouches, 'n guns" movement. It some ways it's too easy to find Liefeld stuff to pick on.
Griz: Who the heck is that in the middle? The Might Barrlel?
Those are apparently the earliest appearances of the Guardians of the Galaxy. So that would make the barrel man Charlie-27.
So from left to right:
Major Victory
Charlie-27
Martinex
Yondu
As I remember, Charlie didn't look quite like that inside (and Vance didn't have blue arms, either).
Quote from: daglob on May 30, 2009, 04:58:59 PM
As I remember, Charlie didn't look quite like that inside (and Vance didn't have blue arms, either).
That's actually from the cover of Astonishing Tales #29 (Apr 75), which was a reprint of the Marvel Super-Heroes! Presents: #18 (Jan 69) seen here (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Comics:Marvel_Super-Heroes_Vol_1_18). The Astonishing Tales cover was recolored to fix obvious errors (such as Yondu), but apparently introduced errors of it's own. The next appearance I can find for them is Defenders #26 (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Comics:Defenders_Vol_1_26) (Aug 75), by which time, they mostly all look like they did for quite a while after that (at least until getting their own title in the 90's).
The original cover makes it look more like Charlie is wearing a space helmet, but neither colorist was exactly sure what he was doing.
Not a comic but comic related, and probably the CLASSIC example of how NOT to do a superhero costume
Too Icky (http://www.starpulse.com/news/media/clooney_batman.jpg)
Ohh the humanity!
I've got one for you: The Human Flying Fish!
http://www.comictreadmill.com/CTMBlogarchives/2009images/HumanFlyingFish-thumb.jpg
Definitely not one of Aquaman's best villains, although the redesign a year back wasn't too bad. He still needed a name change. :P
Yeesh, both of those are horrible. The robin is good, though.
Quote from: marhawkman on June 02, 2009, 07:12:50 PM
Yeesh, both of those are horrible. The robin is good, though.
Two words: Nipples. Codpiece.
Yes, the Bat cod-pieces are disturningly pronounced. The only reason the Robin costume is slightly better is it's based on Nightwing's costume at the time, which was simple but pretty cool. The silver spattered all over the place (legs, groin, arms) make it so busy and non-stealthy, and the molded nipples do not help.
Quote from: Glitch Girl on June 02, 2009, 08:43:06 PM
Yes, the Bat cod-pieces are disturningly pronounced. The only reason the Robin costume is slightly better is it's based on Nightwing's costume at the time, which was simple but pretty cool. The silver spattered all over the place (legs, groin, arms) make it so busy and non-stealthy, and the molded nipples do not help.
I'll 1 up ya GG
http://filmonic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/halle_berry_catwoman_hq_001.jpg
eww...
Oh gads, Jey...
I SO hate that costume. It reminds me of a hairless sphynx (http://www.sphynxandchis.com/11.JPG).
You can't see it in that picture Jey posted, but she's got open-toed heels on. Opened-toed, as in "stub your toe when you kick someone" opened-toed. I look at this thing and go "oh COME ON!!!"
That Catwoman costume ain't all that bad considering who's wearing it.... :wub:
Quote from: thalaw2 on June 03, 2009, 02:59:38 AM
That Catwoman costume ain't all that bad considering who's wearing it.... :wub:
Okay, Halle Berry is a fox but that costume just looks slutty.
That Gene Colan Guardians of the Galaxy is pretty classy. I love the way Yondu appears to be wearing just a pair of red shoes and a strategically placed bow and arrow. What a noble savage!
And yeah, it took a couple of views to realise that Charlie-27 wasn't wearing a helmet.
Quote from: Gremlin on June 03, 2009, 03:11:10 AM
Quote from: thalaw2 on June 03, 2009, 02:59:38 AM
That Catwoman costume ain't all that bad considering who's wearing it.... :wub:
Okay, Halle Berry is a fox but that costume just looks slutty.
Well, she IS a comic book character and that goes with the territory. All of these are pretty slutty/manslutty:
Here are some bad designs
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/Superman.jpg
What is that cape attached to?
Not so much a costume as it is just paint n' undies. Seriously, I think people will be able to tell you're muscular by the planet-moving without you having a magic shirt that is skintight, but also somehow surrounds every single muscle. It's paint, I know it is! The outside undies might seem silly at first, but I am glad he has them after seeing:
http://loknar54.com/images/NewFlash-Allen1.JPG
Fantastic genitals, there. Thank you so much for sharing. I hope he isn't vulnerable to yeast infection. I'm sure that being able to move faster than the speed of light is helped by those ears making him aerodynamic. But the real question is how does he put that thing on? The face-hole certainly isn't big enough for him to fit through and that lightning bolt certainly isn't a belt. I assume that he has to rely on his ability to vibrate his molecules to go through solid objects to put on his costume every time he wears it. Now that seems like such a hassle (and is just so impossible), So maybe just carry a bucket of paint. Or go naked since we can see everything anyway.
http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/wonder-woman.jpg
Making Catwoman look like a nun is Wonder Woman. She's from the Amazon or ancient Greece or something, but wears an American flag so she'll fit in with all the fourth of July-themed strippers. She also wears Armor to protect her wrists and she can put those over her face. Meanwhile someone shoots her in her giant legs. Her job is to fight super-villains.
http://people.ucsc.edu/~jkli/Batman-color.jpg
Why is the utility belt yellow? The whole costume is designed to NOT be seen at night and he somehow manages to have a yellow utility belt. I've never even seen a store sell a utility belt in that color. I'm pretty sure most of them are black or brown to begin with. He went out of his way to get the worst possible color for a utility belt. And unlike Supes or The Flash, he can't use his super speed to squeeze into his costume, so he's just wasting time he could be spending fighting crime, in the lab, or sleeping. Just kidding, he doesn't sleep.
http://xrayvision.today.com/files/2009/01/martian-manhunter.gif
The straps and underwear and boots all just scream colorful S&M. Which is cool if that's what he's into, I personally WOULDN'T wear it to work. He's normally a naked Martian, then he comes to earth and to fit in, he shapeshifts into this?! Was the first place he landed the tour bus after a Queen concert and thought that's how humans dressed? It really makes one react to the name Manhunter with less of a "run, he's a tough superhero!" into "run, he thinks we have purty mouths!"
Bats HAS worn grey colored belts in the past. :p
WW's outfit is apparently some sort of magic armor forged by Hephaestus. too bad she didn't get to choose the style. but yes, the whole my-costume-is-a-one-peice-bathing-suit idea is lightyears beyond tired.
BWPS you straddle the line between comedian and troll... :P
Quote from: marhawkman on June 04, 2009, 07:28:19 PM
Bats HAS worn grey colored belts in the past. :p
WW's outfit is apparently some sort of magic armor forged by Hephaestus. too bad she didn't get to choose the style. but yes, the whole my-costume-is-a-one-peice-bathing-suit idea is lightyears beyond tired.
True somewhat but Wonder Woman did it first, and if she didn't she at least popularized it... so meh. I've still not been able to figure out why someone who is bulletproof needs bullet reflecting bracers? I guess she just wants to practice for when someone actually shoots something dangerous at her?
Quote from: Gremlin on June 04, 2009, 08:52:54 PM
BWPS you straddle the line between comedian and troll... :P
Gotta admit BWPS post had me rollin'. Still though the only reason I've been able to uncover for underwear on the outside is simply to break up the color scheme on Superman, Batman, Aquaman, etc. My question is... what is it? Panties? A kevlar "junk" protector? Or is it just a different colored part of the tights and not really a seperate piece?
I guess Batman with all the women he's punched over the years decided "No one kicks Batman in the jimmies! That won't be my Bat-Weakness."
Supposedly, the whole undies on the outside thing is becasue the original costumes were based on the costumes of curcus acrobats. I don't recall acrobats wearing their undies on the outside, but...
And it too awhile of reading old GA Wonder Woman stories to realize that she isn't wearing a swim suit; she is wearing a corset, spike-heel boots, short pants (or a girdle), and slave bracelets. Fredric Wertham wasn't completly wrong (just 99.999999999999999...%), although William Moulton Marston probably knew EXACTLY what he was doing.
HAHA! I KNEW IT!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/GrizzlyBearTalon/Comic%20Stuff/SuperheroUnderwearAnswer.jpg)
I've always hated WW's costume. It's completely ridiculous. I HAVE seen versions that make it look like actual Greek armor, with the bloomers replaced with a "skirt" of leather strips, a-la such armor. Ohh, and originally she wasn't exactly bullet-proof.
Anyway, I unabashedly love most of those costumes...can't say much. I DO hate the Aquaman costume with the black underoos...only person who could make that look natural was Aparo.
I am love this thread, this makes me want to do a contest where you redesign some of this stuff.
Where is the challenge in that? Now, you really want a CHALLENGE, make 'em worse.
Quote from: GrizzlyBearTalon on June 04, 2009, 10:04:40 PMGotta admit BWPS post had me rollin'. Still though the only reason I've been able to uncover for underwear on the outside is simply to break up the color scheme on Superman, Batman, Aquaman, etc. My question is... what is it? Panties? A kevlar "junk" protector? Or is it just a different colored part of the tights and not really a seperate piece?
In most it's almost certainly #3. but in some cases(Like Robin and Bats) it's either #2 or a combination of #2 and #3.
Quote from: daglob on June 05, 2009, 06:29:55 PMWhere is the challenge in that? Now, you really want a CHALLENGE, make 'em worse.
*rolls around laughing*
for WW.... it's easy. a bustier that doesn't meet in the middle.
Bats: more yellow.
Worse, eh?
Batman (http://www.darkknight.ca/images/comics/azbat.gif)
Wonder Woman (http://wonderwoman.50webs.com/images/WonderWoman1970s.jpg)
Superman (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/dimension/2090/superman-blue2.gif)
=P
Yeah, I, like most people, hated the electric Superman phase.
Quote from: BentonGrey on June 05, 2009, 07:03:46 PM
Yeah, I, like most people, hated the electric Superman phase.
But it was 50 3DGY D00D!!11!
I......can't read that....and I'm rather pleased by that fact.
I am sad to say I understood what he said
What... You mean that not everyone speaks 733T? :p
Honestly the electric Superman look worked GREAT! As the costume for a totally different character. It just wasn't SUPERMAN.
You guys can't read it, but I can *sobs*
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Brought to you by Leet speak translator (http://www.brenz.net/l337Maker.asp)
Quote from: Gremlin on June 05, 2009, 07:01:07 PM
Worse, eh?
Batman (http://www.darkknight.ca/images/comics/azbat.gif)
Wonder Woman (http://wonderwoman.50webs.com/images/WonderWoman1970s.jpg)
Superman (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/dimension/2090/superman-blue2.gif)
=P
For some rason, the Batman and Wonder Woman links aren't working.
However, the "worst" WW costume had to have been during the time she was basically an Emma Peel clone, running around with I Ching. There that thing with the hip waders...
There was a pulp version of The Black Hood, who, as you all know, hss a costume that is a yellow body suit with black accessories. Now, in the pulps he had a cape, and he would close the cape, put his head down, and dissapear into the shadows.
A guy decked out from knee to neck in canary yellow.
So, if Batman were to close his cape, that bright gold (it wouldn't really be yellow, probably) would not be visible. The new Robin costume would work the same way.
Besides, the New Look Batman had more yellow...
Remember her?
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/b/blakscor.jpg
http://mutantreviewers.com/rblackscorpion3.jpg
All you need is a gun and good aim and she's a goner
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 06, 2009, 05:46:36 PMRemember her?
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/b/blakscor.jpg
http://mutantreviewers.com/rblackscorpion3.jpg
This make me wonder if maybe the shoulders are the most vulnerable area of the body in combat? Several of these costumes have shoulder pads as the most armored part of the costume. I guess a superhero may get thrown from moving vehicles a lot. :lol:
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 06, 2009, 05:46:36 PMAll you need is a gun and good aim and she's a goner
And, if people generally hit what they are looking at... Well, there are better places to have scars.
Apparently the 2001 remake had the bar for costume design set with the 1995
Black Scorpion show (http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_product_static.asp?master_movie_id=19488&sku=159642). That costume reminds me of an old
Legion of Superheroes (the same issue in which Wildfire was introduced) where they once had open tryouts and one of the hopefuls was called Infectious Lass. I think she later joined the Subs. (And, though I was too young to think of it at the time I first read that comic, that's really not a great name if one is hoping to get a date.)
BTW, I did a quick search on Joan Severance (of the earlier
Black Scorpion show) and saw that she was in a movie called
The Last Seduction II. That's sort of a peeve of mine: If something is supposed to be "the last" or "the final" or "the ultimate" or whatever unique superlative of its kind,
then there should not be TWO of them. Yeesh. It's like having "Johnny Apocalypse: The Last Man On Earth... And His Brother Chester Apocalypse, Also The Last Man On Earth". :doh:
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Getting back to bad costumes... I give you one from a low point in Avengers history:
DeathCry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathcry)
Better artist so you can see more of this mess. (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/326879-24145-deathcry.jpg)
It's almost like an alien female Cable. She's got the shoulder pads, the lopsided armored limb, warpaint, and restrictive armor (seriously, can she bend over to tie her shoes in that thing?) Speaking of shoes, I'm amazed she doesn't trip herself with those boots. All she's missing is a plethora of pouches and a big gun.
Oh wait, I was wrong (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5586/796521-dc4.jpg). There it is. (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/21571/387121-148328-deathcry.jpg)
Then again, this was a dark time for the Avengers in general. I mean, check out the dud duds Hercules has in this shot with her. Gym rat gear anyone? (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/yuckhercules.JPG)
She has since changed her costume I think and kicked the bucket. And as a side note, I found this in her OFFICIAL Marvel listing (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Deathcry).
QuoteDeathcry became enraged with Captain Universe, when he killed her opponent in battle, causing her to fall into a dangerous berserker rage, and she lounged at the hero, who was inexperienced with his powers and she was presumably obliterated.
One can only hope.
Seriously, "lounged" at her opponent? Someone should have caught that by now.
Quote from: stumpy on June 06, 2009, 06:56:21 PM
It's like having "Johnny Apocalypse: The Last Man On Earth... And His Brother Chester Apocalypse, Also The Last Man On Earth". :doh:
Too bad! you failed to copyright that! I'm using that idea in a game as of now! :D
That really had me laughing, Stumpy!
On the subject of Electric Superman - I actually really liked him. It probably helped that I was introduced to him in "Rock of Ages".
I only read about him in Morrison's JLA, but it served to differentiate him from Jonn Jonnz nicely, and also seemed like a cool update on the Superman theme. The 1929 one was "more powerful than a locomotive", a human crane who functions like heavy industry. Back when he was created, the "common working man" (who Supes kind of represents) would have been engaged in far more lugging physical material around than now. The electric Superman was more like a 21st C Superman for an age where we mostly work in offices moving information around.
That said, You dont mess with Superman and not get a backlash. I fully understand that, and havent missed his blueness since he mysteriously reverted a couple of years after the irreversible change kicked in.
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 06, 2009, 05:46:36 PM
Remember her?
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/b/blakscor.jpg
http://mutantreviewers.com/rblackscorpion3.jpg
All you need is a gun and good aim and she's a goner
Hey, thanks; she's on my list. More referece...
Quote from: daglob on June 06, 2009, 04:26:58 PM
So, if Batman were to close his cape, that bright gold (it wouldn't really be yellow, probably) would not be visible. The new Robin costume would work the same way.
Besides, the New Look Batman had more yellow...
i think of it the way miller put it, from batman, 'why do you think i wear a target on my chest?'
Quote from: DrMike2000 on June 07, 2009, 07:18:03 AMQuote from: stumpy on June 06, 2009, 06:56:21 PMIt's like having "Johnny Apocalypse: The Last Man On Earth... And His Brother Chester Apocalypse, Also The Last Man On Earth". :doh:
Too bad! you failed to copyright that! I'm using that idea in a game as of now! :D
That really had me laughing, Stumpy!
On the subject of Electric Superman - I actually really liked him. It probably helped that I was introduced to him in "Rock of Ages".
I only read about him in Morrison's JLA, but it served to differentiate him from Jonn Jonnz nicely, and also seemed like a cool update on the Superman theme. The 1929 one was "more powerful than a locomotive", a human crane who functions like heavy industry. Back when he was created, the "common working man" (who Supes kind of represents) would have been engaged in far more lugging physical material around than now. The electric Superman was more like a 21st C Superman for an age where we mostly work in offices moving information around.
That said, You dont mess with Superman and not get a backlash. I fully understand that, and havent missed his blueness since he mysteriously reverted a couple of years after the irreversible change kicked in.
Actually.... he knows how to trigger the change now. :p In part of the lead up to Imperiex war he changes himself into Superman Blue in an attempt to better fight Brainiac.