Hey guys! My name is Spectre Lad and I just created a FF content news and tutorial site called Freedom Force Resource. I'll be following following creators work, interviewing community members, and doing tutorials for FFVTR and FF.
Please visit and tell me what you think. :thumbup:
Freedom Force Resource (http://freedomforceresource.blogspot.com)
Looks good!
Nice looking site, and it's always handy to have links grouped together, to help people find stuff.
Welcome to the community.
Cool deal. Interviewing community members? That's interesting considering that was actually an idea someone was pursuing awhile ago before certain things happened. Oh, I think you're technically the second FF/FFVTTR blog. Maybe the first fully dedicated one, but technicalities. :P
Welcome to FR!
Quote from: M25 on March 13, 2009, 07:45:34 PM
Looks good!
Thank you.
Quote from: tommyboy on March 13, 2009, 07:52:26 PM
Nice looking site, and it's always handy to have links grouped together, to help people find stuff.
Welcome to the community.
Yeah, since everything is gone I thought I would make something easy to use and interactive.
Quote from: Previsionary on March 13, 2009, 07:53:03 PM
Cool deal. Interviewing community members? That's interesting considering that was actually an idea someone was pursuing awhile ago before certain things happened. Oh, I think you're technically the second FF/FFVTTR blog. Maybe the first fully dedicated one, but technicalities. :P
Welcome to FR!
I'm sorry! If you want you can interview them still. I just thought it might be nice to actually feature artists of different levels and let the community get to know them besides as people who make stuff. :lol: Who had the first blog?
Nice. Y'know, I've been looking for a nice, easy replacement for the FR Wiki (http://frworld.wikispaces.com/)... if you want, you can post every bit of info from there on your blog.
EDIT:
Quote from: Previsionary on March 13, 2009, 07:53:03 PM
...that was actually an idea someone was pursuing awhile...
*Cough* Nah, go right ahead!
Oh, and welcome to the madness!
Hmmm... Interesting stuff. I wish you the best of luck and if you'd like to interview anybody who is totally awesome but mostly sticks to community sidelines well... I might know a person or two *coughcoughmyselfcough*
Oh what!?
Thank you, Hitman! That will be a big help!
The more the merrier, Unkoman!
This is cool! I like it. And welcome, Spectre Lad! :thumbup:
I really like the newspaper-y vibe in the updates, as well as the site itself. Very cool!
nice resource website :)
off the topic...
AA's retirement i totaly see where he is comming from,
its a shame to see him go on not so good circumstances.
i am very proud to say
I JP had a the pleasure to work with 1 of the greatest legions of this community ^_^
my friend AA take care buddy :thumbup:
I am really liking this! Keep up the great work. It is a shame AA is retiring especially after his recent great work! Was it AA who was working on the many batman costumes, since the boards were wiped(again) i can't remember?
EDIT: UE worked on that great set of BATMAN Skins! Sorry for the mix up.
I like the idea and it'll be interesting to see what comes of it, but on thing i'm confused about how are you going to get sneak previews
Good design and nice idea. Pssh, I pmed you back.
Quote from: Spectre Lad on March 13, 2009, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: Previsionary on March 13, 2009, 07:53:03 PM
Cool deal. Interviewing community members? That's interesting considering that was actually an idea someone was pursuing awhile ago before certain things happened. Oh, I think you're technically the second FF/FFVTTR blog. Maybe the first fully dedicated one, but technicalities. :P
Welcome to FR!
I'm sorry! If you want you can interview them still. I just thought it might be nice to actually feature artists of different levels and let the community get to know them besides as people who make stuff. :lol: Who had the first blog?
Though I'm pretty sure there was one before, FRP2 has had a blog page since its opening. But, like I said, it's not truly FF/FFVTTR dedicated. Also, yes, that was the thinking behind that other idea. Or was...is? was...? is? *loops*
Quote from: The Hitman on March 13, 2009, 08:15:57 PM
Nice. Y'know, I've been looking for a nice, easy replacement for the FR Wiki (http://frworld.wikispaces.com/)... if you want, you can post every bit of info from there on your blog.
EDIT:
Quote from: Previsionary on March 13, 2009, 07:53:03 PM
...that was actually an idea someone was pursuing awhile...
*Cough* Nah, go right ahead!
You will go through with that idea. I will shank you! :P
Quote from: AfghanAnt on March 13, 2009, 11:57:42 PM
Good design and nice idea. Pssh, I pmed you back.
You're a popular guy, no? You were a major candidate for that idea before the drama-rama. *looks at UE* I guess...there's that guy if the idea takes a new form. *shudder*
New post is here: Freedom Force Resource: Night of the Living Dead (http://freedomforceresource.blogspot.com/2009/03/night-of-living-dead.html)
:lol:
I really love your site, man. Keep it up ;)
That article is great, man!
It's a great idea and totally unique, as far as I know.
Keep up the good work.
Your blog is great, man! :thumbup: I love it and going to bookmark you.
Mini-Mussolini...well, I am going to have to write that down. Nice blog!
Bookmarked. Great job. :D
for some one "new" to the boards you sure as hell know a lot of the ins and outs of here
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 14, 2009, 10:21:24 PM
for some one "new" to the boards you sure as hell know a lot of the ins and outs of here
I never said I was new.
Quote from: Spectre Lad on March 14, 2009, 10:23:25 PM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 14, 2009, 10:21:24 PM
for some one "new" to the boards you sure as hell know a lot of the ins and outs of here
I never said I was new.
WHAAAAAAAT?
Oooh...a mystery...
WOW! That is one heck of an article! Great work and keep it up!
not much of a mystery...i smell a trap.
Spectre Lad, i have to say to you...if you are a member with the good of the community at heart, i need to request, respectfully, that you remove the images on your blog of the artistic creations of ips, and probably vlad as well. they are not here to ask this themselves. (plus, it looks like one of the images is kitbashed, the batman joker thing?)
and, if i am wrong, and you do not mean well for the community, i would like to request a mod to remove the entire link due to the sensitivity of the blog posts in regards to all the recent claims made against fr.
i know that the images are not hosted by fr, but i fear a claim could be made that fr is helping distribute them, by hosting the link.
there are many ppl here who would be flattered by an interview for your blog. saying mean things about ppl that have been banned just doesn't feel right to me, but that's just me.
Quote from: bearded on March 15, 2009, 12:05:05 PM
not much of a mystery...i smell a trap.
Spectre Lad, i have to say to you...if you are a member with the good of the community at heart, i need to request, respectfully, that you remove the images on your blog of the artistic creations of ips, and probably vlad as well. they are not here to ask this themselves. (plus, it looks like one of the images is kitbashed, the batman joker thing?)
and, if i am wrong, and you do not mean well for the community, i would like to request a mod to remove the entire link due to the sensitivity of the blog posts in regards to all the recent claims made against fr.
i know that the images are not hosted by fr, but i fear a claim could be made that fr is helping distribute them, by hosting the link.
there are many ppl here who would be flattered by an interview for your blog. saying mean things about ppl that have been banned just doesn't feel right to me, but that's just me.
I'm not exactly sure how to react to this but my blog is not related to Freedom Reborn nor am I breaking any of the forum rules, I am not a "trap", and the images are public domain since they were posted on an internet forum and my usage is protected under parody (http://www.publaw.com/parody.html).
Furthermore, I live in America, I am free to express my opinion on situations whatever way I want. If you personally do not like what I have to say, don't read it.
the 'airing dirty laundry' rule might apply, but that is sketchy due to it being a link to words and not directly in the post.
Quotenor am I breaking any of the forum rules
boy. does that sound familiar?
i'm not directly making any accusations. all i'm saying is the subjects you are linking to are highly sensitive right now, especially due to potential attacks. we need to be wary, cause we have the best intentions, right?
i'm not talking about the forum rules. i'm talking about the good of the community. are you with me? should we discuss how this could be harmful to the community?
Quote from: bearded on March 15, 2009, 12:47:52 PM
the 'airing dirty laundry' rule might apply, but that is sketchy due to it being a link to words and not directly in the post.
Quotenor am I breaking any of the forum rules
boy. does that sound familiar?
i'm not directly making any accusations. all i'm saying is the subjects you are linking to are highly sensitive right now, especially due to potential attacks. we need to be wary, cause we have the best intentions, right?
i'm not talking about the forum rules. i'm talking about the good of the community. are you with me? should we discuss how this could be harmful to the community?
bearded, I respectfully think you are overreacting. I am not going to argue with you, you seem like a nice guy but I am not removing my content because of how you feel. That is unfair to me and I shouldn't have to ask permission to blog about public events.
Internet does not = Serious Business
Now, calm down you two, or I will put you both in time out. ;)
Quote from: Spectre Lad on March 15, 2009, 01:01:54 PM
Internet does not = Serious Business
That is quite true Afgha--I mean Spectre Lad, but you have to take into consideration the timing. I would hate for you to get caught up in the crossfire.
Quote from: vamp on March 15, 2009, 01:08:33 PM
That is quite true Afgha--I mean Spectre Lad, but you have to take into consideration the timing. I would hate for you to get caught up in the crossfire.
I'm not AA.
i'm not trying to argue, or point fingers.
all i'm saying is this:
ips could conceivably make a claim to lunarpages stating; fr is posting links to websites that have unlawful images of my artwork. (i'm not saying they are unlawful. i am saying ips might say they are.)
lunarpages would most likely respond by sending a msg to fr saying, a claim has been made against you. we will be taking down your forum until this claim is settled.
(not exact potential wording.)
do you want to be even the potential cause for that? all i'm saying is hold off on that sensitive stuff for a while. if you care. do you care?
Quote from: bearded on March 15, 2009, 01:31:12 PM
fr is posting links to websites that have unlawful images of my artwork. (i'm not saying they are unlawful. i am saying ips might say they are.)
FR didn't post my link, I did.
There is nothing unlawful about my use of images he posted
publically elsewhere. When he uploaded the images to the third party site, he actually agreed that third parties could reproduce the images.
From the third party hosting site:
By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content on or through the Photobucket Services, you hereby grant to Photobucket and other users a non-exclusive, fully paid and royalty-free, worldwide, limited license to use, modify, delete from, add to, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce and translate such Content, including without limitation distributing part or all of the Site in any media formats through any media channels, except Content marked "private" will not be distributed outside the Photobucket Services.
i'm not saying they are unlawful. law doesn't come into it. i'm talking about reactions from lunarpages. read lunarpages letter. they did not react to lawfulness, they reacted to a claim.
and, ok, fr is not posting links, they are hosting links.
i will stop now. i made clear what i think.
Sorry Bearded, but I'm with Spectre Lad on this. His blog is very fun to read and I think we should stop being afraid of the Big Bad IPS.
Heres my take:
It's unusual to see this type of site, we are unaccustomed to the idea of interviews with or articles about our content providers.
The site is quite well written, nice to look at, and pokes fun at a couple of people in a relatively gentle way. It's fun to read, if perhaps a bit on the light side in terms of depth and length for my personal tastes. But then an ocean of type will put off most people.
Although the articles held them up to ridicule to some extent, they were also complimentary in other regards, so they weren't just attack pieces or hatchet jobs, though I'm not sure the subjects would see it that way.
The questions I have are;
Will lots of people be "roasted" in this way?
Will those roasted have any right of reply on the site?
Given the "outsider" status of the 2 people roasted so far, is it fair or wise to, in the current turbulent climate, provoke or exclude them further (or anyone else)?
I suppose it's all in fun to some extent, and I've said worse myself (not Vlad, who I've personally not had any big problems with), but I am a little uncomfortable with the public lampooning of people who are already excluded. It doesn't sit right with me somehow. I'll insult people privately, or to their face publicly, but this feels a bit like the cool, socially acceptable kids mocking those they've deemed uncool.
That's an exaggeration, to be sure, but it's the closest analogy to what makes me a bit uneasy with it.
Oh, and if you (Spectre Lad) are a former, or current forum or community member, it might put people at ease to reveal who you were/are. It doesn't concern me greatly, because most of us post under a pseudonym of sorts, so in a sense it doesn't matter.
Quote from: tommyboy on March 15, 2009, 03:27:31 PM
The questions I have are;
Will lots of people be "roasted" in this way?
No. I actually have several positive pieces about some long forgotten veterans who really deserve more praise.
Quote from: tommyboy on March 15, 2009, 03:27:31 PM
Will those roasted have any right of reply on the site?
I strongly encourage it.
Quote from: tommyboy on March 15, 2009, 03:27:31 PM
Given the "outsider" status of the 2 people roasted so far, is it fair or wise to, in the current turbulent climate, provoke or exclude them further (or anyone else)?
I actually wrote the VLAD piece first. Here is something I shouldn't admit but I'm fond of him. He's the bad boy nobody likes yet he keeps trying. I respect that a lot. I was not expecting to write the IPS piece actually. It was completely reactionary to the events unfolding yesterday.
I like the new post. It's all in jest, and is a very enjoyable read.
Spectre Lad
i do respect what your doing for your self and the community
i really do like it
but bearded & tommy do have good points about you and IPS
and why hide? i highly doubt your 15 (excuse me for this).
its posted here thru your link and i really think thats a no no
a reason for him to go further in his attack?
wounds are still open. really dont need any salt.
sorry forgive me for expressing my opinion
Quote from: Johnny Patches on March 16, 2009, 11:28:15 PM
Spectre Lad
i do respect what your doing for your self and the community
i really do like it
but bearded & tommy do have good points about you and IPS
and why hide? i highly doubt your 15 (excuse me for this).
its posted here thru your link and i really think thats a no no
a reason for him to go further in his attack?
wounds are still open. really dont need any salt.
sorry forgive me for expressing my opinion
Attack? What? Dude, he's just being anonymous. It's the internet.
I don't completely understand why this blog is even an issue...
Spectre Lad: Like the new post. Got any interviews coming up? Eh? EHHHH? I expect to be constantly entertained!
I like your site.
Its fun.
Weird blog. Sick and tired of reading about copyright law. No interest in guessing who SpectreLad is or why he doesn't want to post under his usual name.
Pass.
like i said here i really do like it and find it comical. :thumbup:
Quotei do respect what your doing for your self and the community
i really do like it
if it was taken offensive i apologize :)
considering some members are alittle iffy
evil does come in many shapes and forms..
and again i was expressing only my opinion :)
Quotesorry forgive me for expressing my opinion
Welcome aboard spectrelad (or welcome back ???). I think you're site has alot of potential, but I agree that maybe bringing up past members may not be in anyone's best interest. This is only my opinion, so please don't take it personally. But I do think that members of the here and now should be the ones who are focused on and promoted. Lots of potential new creators will need a place to help them grow.
I'm just wondering when he's going to talk about Frochub?!
Too busy with the war of light, sorry.
Haha! Oh come off of it, people. This site is hilarious. :)
For all of you who like the blog, thank you very much. All of you who hate the blog, thank you very little.
Newest entry is up here: Once and Future Skinner Supreme (http://freedomforceresource.blogspot.com/2009/03/once-and-future-skinner-supreme.html)
Nice post on Gryphon. You know, you should write something on "Revenant" to see if it'll drag him out of hiding. :P
Good ol' Gryphon.
I still use his Iron Man skins all the time.
I always felt Atomic Robot was under-appreciated. He's still one of my favorites.
That is all from Sector 2814. Back to the war of light...
I like the blog too, keep it up! Love seeing Gryphon get the spotlight, he was the MAN. I eagerly hoarded everything he did back in the day. Nice to see his site is still up, too!! :thumbup:
Can't say I agree with everything in your posting...still entertaining none the less.
Keep it up :cool:
Gotta say I disagree of the ranking you gave Gryphon, while I give him credit for being the first standout skinner.. I wouldn't rank him as you did. But then I have to admit I routinely disagreed with him and his opinions on skinning and FF materials as a whole.
though i would rank gryphon as one of the FF hall of famers( we so need to start this again), i don't agree with all of his views on characters or meshes.
like other i enjoy the blog quite a bit i don't agree with everything you have posted, but thats a good thing as the blog is bringing discussion back to the boards and thats never bad
Quote from: yell0w_lantern on March 18, 2009, 08:06:50 PM
Good ol' Gryphon.
I still use his Iron Man skins all the time.
I always felt Atomic Robot was under-appreciated. He's still one of my favorites.
That is all from Sector 2814. Back to the war of light...
Also a big Atomic Robot fan. I would love to get my hands on the base skin he uses.
Quote from: Cyber Burn on March 18, 2009, 11:24:21 PM
Quote from: yell0w_lantern on March 18, 2009, 08:06:50 PM
Good ol' Gryphon.
I still use his Iron Man skins all the time.
I always felt Atomic Robot was under-appreciated. He's still one of my favorites.
That is all from Sector 2814. Back to the war of light...
Also a big Atomic Robot fan. I would love to get my hands on the base skin he uses.
I also use Gryphon's Iron Man skins. And I would love to see NEW work from Atomic Robot (and get copies of his base skins). The Superman skin I use most in FFv3R is the one AR did taken from a 1940 newspaper strip.
I've always seen Gryphon as the greatest of the early era. I don't think he adapted well to the newer meshes though, he seemed reluctant to use them, but back in the day he was excellent. He'd be one of my first inductees to a hall of fame.
The Gryphon is awesome, as Spectre lad said, not just for the skins but for his characters. The British versions of Freedom Force were fantastic.
May his work rise again one day.
I'm curious as to what Gryphon's stance was on characters and meshes that was mentioned by some members on this site.
LP, to make a long story short...
Gryphon was notorious for keeping his skins as low-res as possible so they would take up very little system resources, i think he usually released skin on a size 256X256 i think or even 125X125, i forget.
Also his logic extended to meshes. So he chose to skin mainly for male_basic, male_alpha, female_basic etc. type meshes, even though there were superior character dedicated meshes available.
I think he was pretty adamant about his decisions, and only recently did he update skins (for example the black adam and captain marvel skins).
In the end though, I think many people do consider his work some of the community's best.
I remember before Alex's site rose to prominence some of the best (in my opinion) skins available were Gryphon's.
Meh, I suppose I'm a bit off the norm then... I've never really been a Gryphon fan, even back in the early days of skinning. His colors always seem muted, he overuses the refl layer (and uses inappropriate lightmaps, meh), and the muscles on his bases seem two-tone.
However, to be completely fair, my issues are much more prevalent in his almost overuse of the MB base skin he created... On the Irrational meshes, the skins are much more colorful, and more professional.
I agree Tomato.
It's also interesting to note how pretty much everyone else strove to update and improve their own skinning, While Gryphon stuck with his style pretty much from the outset.
But I admire his dedication. Plus I love having 5 or 6 different versions of a character, each with their own distinct style.
Not a bad concept or idea.
We could use another site or two which brings something fresh to the table that wasn't there before. :cool:
Gryphon is still one of my favorite skinners, his work is crisp and vibrant and distinctive. His original designs are outstanding. And I still use his base skins constantly.
New blog post: NifTool of the Trade (http://freedomforceresource.blogspot.com/2009/03/niftool-of-trade.html)
About the true identity of Spectre Lad
I was reading over all of the articles and .... hmmmm... I noticed a reference or two used that raised an eyebrow. Plus I noticed a couple other clues I'm not going to mention... but... I think I new for certain who he is. :cool:
I don't care who he is, I know who he's not, and I'm cool with that :P
The following is up in comment form on the blog already, but I'm posting it here as well.
As someone who was notorious for, once upon a time, kittbashing skins (I got expelled from Electric Freedom for stealing the arm bands off a Green arrow, as I recall) then going the complete opposite direction for awhile (All kittbashers must DIE!!!) I've finally settled into what I believe is the normal standing for most skinners, and meshers as well.
The problem, as it stands, is not really kittbashing itself. If a modder messages me, asking to turn my Tomato skin purple and call him Zucchini Man, I not only do not care, I will pull out my high resolution .pspimage/.psd file and turn it purple myself. We don't expect modders to be artists, just as we wouldn't expect skinners to be mapmakers or voice actors.
The problem with kittbashing, and the reason it gets cracked down on so swiftly, has more to do with claiming work as one's own. For example, one guy came on one of the non-FR FF forums distributing C6's skins with new faces. Yes, he put work into the faces, but in effect he was claiming the rest of the work as his as well. And when pressed about the possibility of just releasing the faces, he got upset and started going off on artists not owning their own work.
Yeah, no thank you.
The same, in effect, can be said of 'skoping meshes. Having done several meshes myself, I do not expect 80% of the FF community to know how to use Max any more then I would expect modders to become C6-level skinning gurus. You can couch 'skoping in the same terms as kittbashing, but the truth is that every single one of the meshers gave permission for 'skoping, and if they reascended it, almost everyone would instantly stop. There's an inherent respect for the initial meshers, and very few have been warned more then once or twice to give credit.
Quote from: detourne_me on March 19, 2009, 05:12:34 AM
LP, to make a long story short...
Gryphon was notorious for keeping his skins as low-res as possible so they would take up very little system resources, i think he usually released skin on a size 256X256 i think or even 125X125, i forget.
One of the reasons I loved the guy's work. He stuck religiously to 256x256.
Large textures take up memory and chew up graphics processing power like nobody's business. As a professional games programmer I'm always trying to instill this into artists I work with, and Gryphon knew this from the get go. If only there were more like him!
Bast in the Strangers (a minor character) originally had a 1024x1024 texture - whenever she was about to appear ons creen the frame rate would lurch and start chugging. Thats from one character. I've seen the same on PS2 and PSP, how one rogue texture can drop a game from smooth 30FPS to chugging away at 15FPS. One texture.
I've since mellowed in this stance. I see skins more as an aide to modding than a work of art in their own right, and I realise now that this isnt the case for the actual skinning community. I was wrong.
And I also realised that I could resize skins myself if they were intended for serious use in game, as I did with Bast. She eventually lost her time warping powers :)
Yeah, I've always loved Gryphon's skins, and still do. In fact, I have quite a few of his skins installed.
I remember when he was being hassled about using the latest meshes and what have you. I never understood it. They were his skins, and he was free to choose what meshes they were created for. As for them being 256x256--it made sense considering the original game's distant camera angle. Any meticulous details were lost in the in-game shenanigans anyway. Plus, I was one who hated to have a million meshes on their system. While having some creators' character-specific meshes (Tommyboy, Renegade, Vertex, etc.) was cool and even essential, endless variants with slight changes became obnoxious.
*shrugs*
I may have to echo that simplicity is best.
probably because now I'm going through the task of trying to create hero files for all of the characters i've accumulated over the years. really i've been at it a week and i'm just setting up the characters in EZHero, not even giving them powers yet!
Also, this latest post was nice. Not tool controversial, but had some good ideas in there (got me thinking about making a cerebro map, hehehe)
It's a trip down memory lane to see that stuff again. I remember using those base skins many, many times. Gryphon's British-FF skins had great designs, colours and detail. Great stuff.
New post is up and it is a preview! http://freedomforceresource.blogspot.com/
Uhhh.. is it Neil Patrick Harris? Michael Clark Duncan? Chuck Norris? (He doesn't need a dang 3- word name!)
Seroiusly, I know who it is. Are you previewing a new skin or something?
Quote from: JKCarrier on March 19, 2009, 02:54:13 PM
Gryphon is still one of my favorite skinners, his work is crisp and vibrant and distinctive. His original designs are outstanding. And I still use his base skins constantly.
Agreed. I've come full circle back to Gryphon's bases. I still think his female bases are the best. Male bases sometimes depend on the character I'm skinning.
I just got word that something massive is coming to the FF community soon. Visit Freedom Force Resource (http://freedomforceresource.blogspot.com) for updates as they come in.
Oh, Spectre Lad, you tease. Why must you be so cryptic lately?
Pretty cool. Pretty cryptic. I'm all ears.
New blog post is up: Reppin' The Westside (http://freedomforceresource.blogspot.com/2009/04/wca-all-this-and-world-war-ii.html)
New Blog Post Up - Identity Crisis (http://freedomforceresource.blogspot.com/)
...what.
No, WHAT? Seriously? HAHA!
The belly buttons are still too big. :P
Yup I did 'em.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on May 10, 2009, 03:33:19 AM
The belly buttons are still too big. :P
I haven't touched them since the last time I previewed them. I will probably change them but I don't know. I'd rather try to finish up Beast instead of revisiting them.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 10, 2009, 08:54:34 PM
Yup I did 'em.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on May 10, 2009, 03:33:19 AM
The belly buttons are still too big. :P
I haven't touched them since the last time I previewed them. I will probably change them but I don't know. I'd rather try to finish up Beast instead of revisiting them.
Yeah I didn't know it was you originally and I didn't want to look like I was attacking the new guy...but if I knew it was you I would have complained some more ;)
Wait AA was Emperous? Darn I should have known that.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on May 10, 2009, 11:06:31 PM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 10, 2009, 08:54:34 PM
Yup I did 'em.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on May 10, 2009, 03:33:19 AM
The belly buttons are still too big. :P
I haven't touched them since the last time I previewed them. I will probably change them but I don't know. I'd rather try to finish up Beast instead of revisiting them.
Yeah I didn't know it was you originally and I didn't want to look like I was attacking the new guy...but if I knew it was you I would have complained some more ;)
C6, your opinion is always valued. ;)
Quote from: Podmark on May 11, 2009, 12:31:17 AM
Wait AA was Emperous? Darn I should have known that.
I wanted to tell you guys but blah it was a secret and i was being new and different for a while.
Oh look! A secret I was actually in on!
But hey, now you can release these if you hadn't already put them somewhere. It really was a great show of a drastic style change.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 11, 2009, 01:43:50 AM
Quote from: Podmark on May 11, 2009, 12:31:17 AM
Wait AA was Emperous? Darn I should have known that.
I wanted to tell you guys but blah it was a secret and i was being new and different for a while.
I was suspicious from the beginning, I kept wanting to think they were kitbashed but the drastic style made it unlikely. Also the skoping job was pretty good for a new comer. But I'm pretty good at figuring out who skins were done by so I figure if I had seen them up close I'd have figured it out that it was you.
Anyway, I'm really impressed with the style change, though I gotta be honest I think the faces are kinda ugly - which admittedly I'd probably say so about Quitely's art most of the time. Also I don't like Jean's hair. Neat trick with Scott's jacket though. Also where's Chuck?
Made comments on your blog AA. ;)
Quote from: UnkoMan on May 11, 2009, 11:37:17 AM
Oh look! A secret I was actually in on!
But hey, now you can release these if you hadn't already put them somewhere. It really was a great show of a drastic style change.
Yeah I know. I plan on releasing them once they are done.
Quote from: Podmark on May 11, 2009, 08:58:58 PM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 11, 2009, 01:43:50 AM
Quote from: Podmark on May 11, 2009, 12:31:17 AM
Wait AA was Emperous? Darn I should have known that.
I wanted to tell you guys but blah it was a secret and i was being new and different for a while.
I was suspicious from the beginning, I kept wanting to think they were kitbashed but the drastic style made it unlikely. Also the skoping job was pretty good for a new comer. But I'm pretty good at figuring out who skins were done by so I figure if I had seen them up close I'd have figured it out that it was you.
Anyway, I'm really impressed with the style change, though I gotta be honest I think the faces are kinda ugly - which admittedly I'd probably say so about Quitely's art most of the time. Also I don't like Jean's hair. Neat trick with Scott's jacket though. Also where's Chuck?
Yeah I figured once someone looked at the skins they would know. I like the ugliness of Quietly art on X-Men. As weird as it sounds I hate Michael Choi for the opposite reason. His work is too pretty. I don't know where Chuck is. I guess I should make him.
Quote from: Blkcasanova247 on May 11, 2009, 09:26:30 PM
Made comments on your blog AA. ;)
I'm going to reply now.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 12, 2009, 09:28:43 PM
Yeah I figured once someone looked at the skins they would know. I like the ugliness of Quietly art on X-Men. As weird as it sounds I hate Michael Choi for the opposite reason. His work is too pretty. I don't know where Chuck is. I guess I should make him.
Most of the time I don't like Quietly, but I actually did like most of his New X-Men run. I actually did (and still do to an extent) have the same problem with Choi.
Weirdness...so do I. Mike Choi is a fantastic artist but his X stuff is just too pretty and super clean. Oh in response to your query AA...send it my way and I'll give it a look see. I think I can fix your problem. ;)
I liked Quitely's take on Wolverine and Cyclops, and I'm generally a pretty big fan of his work. I mean, All-Star Superman and We3 are outstanding.
Prem just showed me the comments people made to Spectre Lad's blog (http://freedomforceresource.blogspot.com/2009/05/emperous-identity-revealed.html) <_<.
QuoteReally, if ANYONE could conceivably be guilty of what either of you are suggesting, it's C6... and really, I'd have trouble believing even he'd be that much of an arse.
The two moronic comments made before yours Tomato...basically call AA a glory seeking control freak...and you deflect that crap onto me?
I never realized I was a glory seeking control freak...thanks for letting me know...
I'm sorry
Edit: The self-serving drivel has been removed by it's author.
Apology accepted.
what the hell happened, i seen the comments the other day, i was the one who told prem about them. but i just assumed it was two idiots trying to be big men on the net.
Now that I'm not punching holes through walls(or rather, comic boxes) or almost sobbing into my pillow because I offended someone (I was a blubbering mass of overreaction the entire evening, meh) let me respond to this in a clear-headed, rational way, a way in keeping with the personal morals I have always endeavored to showcase on these boards.
If this idiocy is the fault of anyone on these boards, I have compiled a list of things to do to you that would send grown men to their beds sobbing like little girls were I to describe them to you (and I would too, but I'm afraid the mods wouldn't be very happy with me).
Afghan Ant is, at least in my view, a friend and a peer. My current work would not be at the level it is currently if not for him, and I mean that quite literally. My newest base was done at the level it is ENTIRELY because he came back with his Superman and Lex skins at the same time I was making it and that made me step up work on it. So yeah, saying stuff behind his back like that... I take it personally.
Wow those were simply disgusting. AA is one of my best friends here and one of my biggest inspirations, I certainly don't want to see stuff like that posted. I mean who cares if he didn't stay retired. People change their mind, that's part of life.
Yeah, that's just petty and terrible. People have been leaving the community and returning for years, who cares other than to be glad that they come back?
I really want to tear people a new one, but all that does is prove there points :banghead:
Crikey. :(
Uhmmm wow... I leave for RL world stuff for a couple of days and I'm attacked. Oh well. I would get mad but I honestly don't care. I retired originally because at the time I really did not want to skin again however I was in the middle of a few private projects (which I need to finish up and ship out soon). If anything helping out the Champions with their website made me start skinning again. It pushed me out of this weird place that people were in right after the whole IPS thing (which by the way I think I was hurt the most by seeing as I thought he and I were actually friends). Now, I'm over the whole closing FF site drama and I figured I'd get back to doing what I like doing.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 18, 2009, 04:00:10 PM
Uhmmm wow... I leave for RL world stuff for a couple of days and I'm attacked. Oh well. I would get mad but I honestly don't care. I retired originally because at the time I really did not want to skin again however I was in the middle of a few private projects (which I need to finish up and ship out soon). If anything helping out the Champions with their website made me start skinning again. It pushed me out of this weird place that people were in right after the whole IPS thing (which by the way I think I was hurt the most by seeing as I thought he and I were actually friends). Now, I'm over the whole closing FF site drama and I figured I'd get back to doing what I like doing.
Yeah, and that makes PERFECT sense to me. Of course, we're always glad to have you.
Like Pod said, "People change their minds, that's part of life."
Good words. Good words.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on May 17, 2009, 02:43:25 AM
I never realized I was a glory seeking control freak...thanks for letting me know...
It's ok, C6. I'm an attention seeking elitist. We should totally start a super villain team.
Also I thank everyone for defending me but honestly I'm not bothered in the least by the OC's opinion. Maybe I should try harder to please him because after all I'm his personal content slave. :)
If anyone would like to talk to me, I'm going to be over in a corner laughing at the absurdity they responded to me with. I mean... really?
Not that this isn't a fascinating revisitation of some months-old drama, but I don't know that recapitulating people's varied perceptions of what happened and who supported whom et cetera gossip is productive. And, honestly, it really isn't a shining moment for anyone.
That's especially true here in the FF Discussion forum, which is often the first thing guests and new members check out when they get here. I would really hope folks coming here don't get the false impression that FR is all about members' egos or picking at old wounds or whatever nonsense. If people are discussing that at other sites, that's how they are choosing to spend their lives' energies. Personally, I don't see the point.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 18, 2009, 05:14:24 PM
Quote from: Courtnall6 on May 17, 2009, 02:43:25 AM
I never realized I was a glory seeking control freak...thanks for letting me know...
It's ok, C6. I'm an attention seeking elitist. We should totally start a super villain team.
Oh my God. With your skinning abilities, together you would be unstoppable. *hides*
Well, for what it's worth, I'm really glad you came back, AA. This game is a source of joy and wonder for us, else we would not be here. It is terrible when something poisons that, and I have felt just that effect. I'm just glad you were able to rediscover your hobby, to the betterment of the community. ;)
I thought it was spelled "Quitely" not "Quietly". Which is it?
Quote from: yell0w_lantern on May 19, 2009, 01:01:44 AM
I thought it was spelled "Quitely" not "Quietly". Which is it?
You're right!
Frank Quitely.
Its a play on words of Quite Frankly.
QuoteThird, I've forgive IPS even though we haven't spoken since the whole dramatic fight at FR. If he ever reads this I'd like him to know I don't think you are a bad guy, I just think you handled the situation wrong.
That surprised me.
Indeed, considering he created the whole "situation" to begin with...
I don't think there is much need to rehash that whole thing guys. I imagine that we are all in agreement about IPS' actions in regards to that whole debacle, and if some of our members are inclined to forgive if not forget (and there most certainly is a difference), then I say bully for them. It takes a great deal of character to forgive someone who has wronged you, and it is something that I myself struggle to do.
Why is the notion of forgiveness so foreign to this forum?
Forgiveness isn't about the attacker (or betrayer in this situation), it is about the victim. If I no longer want to have hard feelings towards someone why would you assume I trust or want to continue a friendship with them?
Why should it even be surprising?
I'm sorry if I am not as petty as some people are being about this situation but I honestly don't have time for this drama.
EDIT: I am most surprised at your comment, Zap. Was that even called for?
AA and BG are correct about forgiveness. Forgiveness is a completely different thing than wanting to hang out or get along with someone. It means he's over the situation and doesn't want to continue to harbor bad emotions. That shouldn't be a problem to anyone here as I'm sure we've all forgiven someone either on this forum or in our lives that has done something one would consider bad. Some would consider that healthy growth. *shrugs*
Anyway, isn't continuing on with the drama-rama nonsense considered airing of dirty laundry? I would like to think everyone could just drop it and find something more productive to discuss than dwell on something that has run its course once and obviously still affects people negatively.
I should add, I said I was surprised but it doesn't mean I'm disappointed. I'm sorry if that sounded ... whatever.
I think it's great that AA can forgive IPS. Maturity on the internet! Who'd have thunk it? Life is too short to be harbouring grudges.
OK, as has been pointed out here and in some PMs, whether or not this is dirty laundry, it is drifting in that direction. Whatever the particulars of the past incident and of any remaining animus between those close to it, it's over. I think we are all glad AA is still around and happy to see him skinning again, both because he enjoys it and because we benefit from his passion for it.
I notice Spectre Lad hasn't posted in a over a week. Let's assume for now that he didn't intend to resurrect this other issue and move on.
So, it's a play on words, huh? I hadn't thought of that.
Very true. SO! AA! Gonna try anything with that Quitely-esque style again? I'd love to see something like that applied to Supes. I loved his work on All-Star Superman.
:huh:Please...no. :( No more Quitely! Your skins in your style.
Quote from: Gremlin on May 20, 2009, 09:20:03 PM
Very true. SO! AA! Gonna try anything with that Quitely-esque style again? I'd love to see something like that applied to Supes. I loved his work on All-Star Superman.
I've thought about that and I might end up redoing Super-Lois and probably that white costume Superman wore in All. It would be a completely different from my current Superman skope. Quitely's work is so about proportions and I've like to capture that if I could.
Quote from: Blkcasanova247 on May 20, 2009, 09:28:01 PM
:huh:Please...no. :( No more Quitely! Your skins in your style.
I really think his All Star Superman stuff was stellar but I completely understand when people say they don't like Quitely's work. It is like me and Perez. I get it but it just looks so dated though I have to admit I loved those cover for Legion of Three Worlds.
Some people who don't like Quitely's Superman have complained that he's not quite as hard cut as is some depictions ("he's too lumpy") and a little hunched over. There is some truth to that. (And I don't know if that style is broadly characteristic of Quitely's art or if it's an adaptation for that book.) But, I think that's part of the genius of All Star Superman. Superman can relax.
I mean, he's Superman. Of course, we know him for his heroics in dangerous situations, of the sort where the fate of all life on Earth depends on him saving the day by flying at the speed of light into a red sun with a 50 gigaton kryptonite bomb strapped to his back. But, in the course of the normal day, there really is very little that can actually harm him. He doesn't cross at the crosswalk so that a careless truck doesn't hurt him; he crosses there so that he doesn't hurt the truck. So, it's not like he would be constantly tensed and ready for action. He isn't out to impress anyone and he isn't worried about people thinking he's just some sad sack.
He's been around for years and survived more scrapes with death than the Reaper's scythe salesman. He's saved the world a thousand times and he's probably the most powerful person on the planet (maybe well beyond). And, frankly, if anything ever does take him out, is there any doubt whether he'll end up with wings or horns? No. So who cares if he is relaxed and doesn't keep perfect posture 24-7? Nothing scares him and he's earned it. I think the somewhat "slumpy and lumpy" approach really complimented that relaxed aspect if the character in the All Star book.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 20, 2009, 09:29:59 PM
Quote from: Gremlin on May 20, 2009, 09:20:03 PM
Very true. SO! AA! Gonna try anything with that Quitely-esque style again? I'd love to see something like that applied to Supes. I loved his work on All-Star Superman.
I've thought about that and I might end up redoing Super-Lois and probably that white costume Superman wore in All. It would be a completely different from my current Superman skope. Quitely's work is so about proportions and I've like to capture that if I could.
Quote from: Blkcasanova247 on May 20, 2009, 09:28:01 PM
:huh:Please...no. :( No more Quitely! Your skins in your style.
I understand what you mean about Perez, but I really think it's a matter of who his inker is... it could make his pencils look so much better. And yeah.. current Legion is phenomenal. Are you still doing the main three?
I really think his All Star Superman stuff was stellar but I completely understand when people say they don't like Quitely's work. It is like me and Perez. I get it but it just looks so dated though I have to admit I loved those cover for Legion of Three Worlds.
The quote just got crazy but yup I want to do the original three Legionnaires.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 20, 2009, 03:41:25 AMI am most surprised at your comment, Zap. Was that even called for?
Why? IPS made a non-situation into a situation by his behavior and attitude.
AA--Ooh, that'd be cool. I'd love to see your take on it! I love the detail you put into your work...I mean, here you are talking about capturing Quitely's proportions. Heh.
Stumpy--That's a cool take. I hadn't thought of it in that aspect. I tend to be more story-centric when it comes to comics so I don't notice how visualizations aid characterization. It's exactly the opposite of the Samaritan from Astro City, who's tense as a coiled spring because he's always at the top of his game. You know what'd be an interesting analysis? All-Star Superman and Apollo from Quitely's run on the Authority.
SpectreLad is being away on most glorious Gonja Spititual Journey and he give me and Gonja God watching over his FreedomForceResource. Tank you for hitting FreedomForceResource berry much.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/characters/superman-images/AlexRossSupdesk.jpg
Supes can definitely relax from time to time.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 21, 2009, 01:21:41 AM
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/characters/superman-images/AlexRossSupdesk.jpg
Supes can definitely relax from time to time.
He certainly looks lumpy. :P
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 21, 2009, 01:26:28 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 21, 2009, 01:21:41 AM
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/characters/superman-images/AlexRossSupdesk.jpg
Supes can definitely relax from time to time.
He certainly looks lumpy. :P
ugh i hate ross. every hero he draws looks like the same 45 yr old man.
dont like frank either- he draws ugly people (emma frost and superwoman looked butt ugly)
Quote from: Mystik on May 22, 2009, 03:39:54 AM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 21, 2009, 01:26:28 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 21, 2009, 01:21:41 AM
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/characters/superman-images/AlexRossSupdesk.jpg
Supes can definitely relax from time to time.
He certainly looks lumpy. :P
ugh i hate ross. every hero he draws looks like the same 45 yr old man.
dont like frank either- he draws ugly people (emma frost and superwoman looked butt ugly)
That's not true at all! Here, this is obviously a 35 year old woman:
http://www.fictionmachine.com/images/wonderwoman.jpg
Seriously though, I have always thought that one of the great things Ross does is make his characters really distinctive, as far as faces go. Superman looks different than Batman, much different from Ray Palmer, Carter Hall, or Aquaman. I agree that he goes a bit too far on the chunky side from time to time....but I still love the guy's art.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 22, 2009, 03:46:00 AM
Quote from: Mystik on May 22, 2009, 03:39:54 AM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on May 21, 2009, 01:26:28 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 21, 2009, 01:21:41 AM
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/characters/superman-images/AlexRossSupdesk.jpg
Supes can definitely relax from time to time.
He certainly looks lumpy. :P
ugh i hate ross. every hero he draws looks like the same 45 yr old man.
dont like frank either- he draws ugly people (emma frost and superwoman looked butt ugly)
That's not true at all! Here, this is obviously a 35 year old woman:
http://www.fictionmachine.com/images/wonderwoman.jpg
Seriously though, I have always thought that one of the great things Ross does is make his characters really distinctive, as far as faces go. Superman looks different than Batman, much different from Ray Palmer, Carter Hall, or Aquaman. I agree that he goes a bit too far on the chunky side from time to time....but I still love the guy's art.
gotta disagree with you there BG, i respect ross as an artist but really a lot of his faces are the same with different masks
http://www.jeffpidgeon.com/uploaded_images/JusticeLeague-AlexRoss-706881.jpg
they've all got the same chin and face, his bats is superman in a batman mask, this is mostly cause he uses the same model for most of the characters
Oh geez his Wonder Woman and Supes have the same face in that pic! :o
*shakes head* Philistines.
i'll stick with my adam hughes and terry dodson women thank you very much
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on May 22, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
i'll stick with my adam hughes and terry dodson women thank you very much
Why, yes. Yes indeed.
not to mention Frank Cho ;)
and about aa's x-men skins he was doing is best ok so like them or not it takes a lot of art skills to skin give him a break please
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on May 22, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
i'll stick with my adam hughes and terry dodson women thank you very much
While we're here, I have never quite got Terry Dodson.
The strange V-shaped faces like the central line has been sheared down relative to the outsides, and the concave jaw curves that give his women this kind of feline appearance just doesnt do it for me.
And Alex Ross always looks over-finished to me. In fact, I think I've discovered some kind of profound art-anti-art theory here by mentally comparing him to Kevin Maguire of bwah-ha-ha Justice League fame.
Alex Ross and Kevin Maguire are polar opposites - all finish vs all foundation. Discuss if you will..
Quote from: DrMike2000 on May 25, 2009, 02:25:45 AM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on May 22, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
i'll stick with my adam hughes and terry dodson women thank you very much
While we're here, I have never quite got Terry Dodson.
The strange V-shaped faces like the central line has been sheared down relative to the outsides, and the concave jaw curves that give his women this kind of feline appearance just doesnt do it for me.
And Alex Ross always looks over-finished to me. In fact, I think I've discovered some kind of profound art-anti-art theory here by mentally comparing him to Kevin Maguire of bwah-ha-ha Justice League fame.
Alex Ross and Kevin Maguire are polar opposites - all finish vs all foundation. Discuss if you will..
They should work together to make a comic that would annihilate the universe.
Quote from: Gremlin on May 25, 2009, 03:27:59 AM
They should work together to make a comic that would annihilate the universe.
Hmmn, reminds me of the David Mazzuchelli (spelling... i don't know)
The artist that did Batman:Year One with Frank Miller.
In my hardcover version, David has an endword in comic format, discussing comic book art. He draws an amazing sequence about how the art shouldn't be so realistic, because it would look ridiculous... and oh man that panel is funny, it looks like Alex Ross art with a Kevin Macquire background.
Quote from: Gremlin on May 25, 2009, 03:27:59 AM
Quote from: DrMike2000 on May 25, 2009, 02:25:45 AM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on May 22, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
i'll stick with my adam hughes and terry dodson women thank you very much
While we're here, I have never quite got Terry Dodson.
The strange V-shaped faces like the central line has been sheared down relative to the outsides, and the concave jaw curves that give his women this kind of feline appearance just doesnt do it for me.
And Alex Ross always looks over-finished to me. In fact, I think I've discovered some kind of profound art-anti-art theory here by mentally comparing him to Kevin Maguire of bwah-ha-ha Justice League fame.
Alex Ross and Kevin Maguire are polar opposites - all finish vs all foundation. Discuss if you will..
They should work together to make a comic that would annihilate the universe.
Didn't they both work on Worlld's Funnest? ;)
Boo.
Link removed for inappropriate material.
It seems that the language has gone into the definitely-not-kid-friendly territory there, SL!
Nonetheless, welcome back. :)
awwwwwwww ya! FFR is back! :wub:
questions:
1. what is 4chan?
2. who is considered 'elite'? am i elite? if i'm not;
3. you could use my ghost keyframes as a start for an avatar. i'd be willing to make other shapes.
4. do you have a spectre lad description?
Quote from: bearded on August 20, 2009, 08:35:04 PM
1. what is 4chan?
You don't want to know.
Yay! I'm excited to see this return! ^_^
Quote from: bearded on August 20, 2009, 08:35:04 PM
questions:
1. what is 4chan?
Imagine the worst aspects of all the dumbest people ever to cross this board... multiply by a thousand...put them in a single unified spot... and you have 4chan.
guys knock of the 4chan bashing look what happened to twitter
Freedom Force Resource: Shadow of Doubt
Caution- Suggestive material which may not be suitable for grandmothers, nuns, children, or women named "Nancy".
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on August 21, 2009, 11:31:32 AM
guys knock of the 4chan bashing look what happened to twitter
FR isn't lulz worthy enough. I bet banned guys have tried to cause a raid here before, but /b/'s not their personal army.
Quote from: Spectre Lad on August 21, 2009, 05:02:32 PM
Freedom Force Resource: Shadow of Doubt
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Wow...What a totally inappropriate link to post, Spectre Lad.
What a creep you are.
Dana
Wow, there is some definate unapropriate material posted here. I used to enjoy your posts, but that was awful
I have to agree here, sorry Spectre Lad. I don't know what happened in your personal life, but you have returned a very different person. I really hope things improve, both for you personally, and for your site.
..And I thought his welcome back post was equally inappropriate.
Dana
I knew adding those System Requirements would be trouble.
Out of respect for the forum rules' family friendly policy, the links in a couple of posts have been removed.