I received an email last night from our hosts which I have included below.
Short version: we have been accused of copyright infringement and trademark violation in the Freedom Reborn Resource section by a former member of this site. This is why, with heavy heart we must close this section for the time being. I cannot say if we will be able to reopen it in the future, if at all. I wish I could, but unfortunately, if Freedom Reborn is to continue at all, we are forced to make this consession.
More information as it becomes avaiable.
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Hello: We are contacting you as the primary registered contact for your site presently on file with Lunarpages.com. We have received a formal copyright infringement claim as to certain information contained on your web site which complies with our established format requirements and 17 USC section 512(c)(3). We are including a copy of the complaint herewith. The claim, among other things, identifies specific material which is allegedly being infringed and states under penalty of perjury that the use of the material on the web site unauthorized and that the complainant is either the owner or is authorized by the owner to assert the right to the work and that no right has been granted for use on your web site. We are not making any determination on the merit of this claim. However, based upon our receipt of this claim according to Lunarpages policy which complies with the safe harbor provisions of 17 U.S.C. section 512(c), Lunarpages must disable access to the pages identified below until we receive from you a counter notification pursuant to 17 U.S.C. section 512(g)(3) which provides the following: (a) Your full and complete name, address, and telephone number, and a statement that you consent to the jurisdiction of Federal District Court for the judicial district in which your address is located, or if your address is outside of the United States, for any Federal District Court judicial district in which you may be found, and that you will accept service of process from the person who provided the original notice of infringement or an agent of that person at your address. (b) A statement from you under penalty of perjury that you have a good faith belief that the material in question has been or is about to be removed as a result of mistake or misidentification of the material. © Your physical or electronic signature. Upon receipt of the above counter notification from you we can release the restriction placed on your site. LunarPages is a strong supporter of Copyright and Trademark rights on the Internet. We believe that we have adopted a fair, comprehensive policy toward the protection of those rights and we look forward to assisting you in any way possible in this regard to ensure a fair, appropriate and expeditious response toward the protection of those rights. Of course if you should have any further questions, comments or concerns regarding this matter please do not hesitate to let us know. Very truly yours, Lunarpages Legal
I am no longer a member of the online game modding community found at www.FreedomReborn.net. Since my moving on, this community continues to provide my work for it's other members when this is not appropriate. This site is hosted by your services. Furthermore, beyond my own work, this online community is a game modding community in which the members specialize in creating content which is primarily the intellectual property of Marvel Entertainment and DC Comics for use in the gaming environment. While I am not an authorized agent of either firm, it may be desirable to pursue having that community remove all content owned by those parties in advance, as I intend to notify those firms of this site, promptly, so that they may exercise their copyright as well. In compliance with your instructions, the below conditions are satisfied with regard to my own copyright claim. 1. A physical or electronic signature of the owner of the copyrighted work or an authorized agent of that owner. italpornstar, ips, or [name deleted] 2. identification of the copyrighted work alleged to have been infringed. all posts works ranging from simple posts to tutorial/instructional posts, to posts distributing my game textures, special fx etc. made by me (ips) initially. 3. identification of the allegedly infringing material sufficiently precise to allow Lunarpages to locate the material. all posts by the member name of "ips" found on the online forum/community at FreedomReborn.net 4. Adequate information by which we can contact the complaining party specifically including a physical postal address, telephone number and email address. [address deleted]. a proper statement that the complaining party has a good faith belief that use of the copyrighted material is not authorized by the copyright owner, the copyright owners agent or the law. No party is allowed to host, distribute or continue to do so, any work I have created without my permission, including online communities which I am no longer a part of, (as in this case). 6. a statement under penalty of perjury that the information in the notice is true and correct. and This statement is completely true and sincere. 7. a statement under penalty of perjury that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the copyright owner. I am authorized to act on my own behalf. Thank you in advance,[name deleted])
Could a mod please "annouce" this? Thank you
UPDATE:Since I posted the abobe, all of IPS's posts have been deleted as per the email's demand. I have informed our hosts of this and the removal of the resource forum. Now all we can do is wait and see what happens. (This information was also posted below, but I added it up here for clarity sake).
Wait, what?! I mean I get it but... sigh...
Quote from: lugaru on March 06, 2009, 03:49:12 PM
Wait, what?! I mean I get it but... sigh...
There is nothing to get. He's being petty and taking it out on us all.
I would hope that at least those who create original work not based on any copyrighted characters can find somewhere to post their works for use in Freedom Force or FFv3R.
As to the rest....no comment, it speaks for itself.
we are a strong community.
so...on to the original character designs! for now, anyway.
i want to say thank you to GG and the titans for keeping the community forums alive, if limited.
maybe a single topic for ppl to showcase original creations?
Also, if you host copyrighted material for Freedom Force on a website, this complaint just painted a big bullseye on you.
We don't host or distribute copyrighted content so this part of his complaint is baseless. Howver, you guys do. Complaints to DC and Marvel open the entire community to C&D orders. I don't know if that was his plan but that is the direct result.
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Also, if you host copyrighted material for Freedom Force on a website, this complaint just painted a big bullseye on you.
We don't host or distribute copyrighted content so this part of his complaint is baseless. Howver, you guys do. Complaints to DC and Marvel open the entire community to C&D orders. I don't know if that was his plan but that is the direct result.
I don't think he realized that his attack on FR would spill over onto other sites but I'm positive we will see some site go offline or dump content soon.
Honestly it does not affect me that much since these day's I'm mostly here for conversation, I have not done a skin or even had FF installed for about a year. On the other hand for the sake of everyone else I hope we can fish his contributions out of the pool, pour in some more chlorine and get back to buisness as usual. Shame too, I always liked the guy, despite the attitude.
Umm... FR doesn't host anything. Not Marvel, DC or IPS stuff. There are just links to sites with such things. Isn't there a difference? Can't it be explained to your hosts that this guy is simply angry at being banned and is making false accusations?
Quote from: TaskMasterX on March 06, 2009, 04:03:33 PM
Umm... FR doesn't host anything. Not Marvel, DC or IPS stuff. There are just links to sites with such things. Isn't there a difference? Can't it be explained to your hosts that this guy is simply angry at being banned and is making false accusations?
i think the issue is his posts. his posts would have to be removed. they provide pics of his artwork that is accessable by this forum.
I'm a fool at the legalese but wouldn't deleting all of IPS's old posts fix his whiny baby problem?
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Quote from: TaskMasterX on March 06, 2009, 04:03:33 PM
Umm... FR doesn't host anything. Not Marvel, DC or IPS stuff. There are just links to sites with such things. Isn't there a difference? Can't it be explained to your hosts that this guy is simply angry at being banned and is making false accusations?
i think the issue is his posts. his posts would have to be removed. they provide pics of his artwork that is accessable by this forum.
Then by all means, do it.
Quoteclaim as to certain information contained on your web site
Quotethat you have a good faith belief that the material in question has been or is about to be removed as a result of mistake or misidentification of the material.
those 2 things seem extremely relevant to me. i would say all of his posts need to be deleted. even the posts in non ff forums.
The problem I have with that whole claim (at least that part of it) is that how can general posts made of his own free will be considered copyright, and not just him posting his opinion and thoughts? I don't think that everything we say and type is instantly copyrightable.
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this is really shocking news :( like there isnt enough b.s. going on in the world today
just more to pile on the mess thats been created
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Can't fault the board admins for protecting themselves and/or the site, though. Hopefully this can be resolved.
The problem is that this site will be shut down very soon regardless of the merit of his claim. Our host doesn't investigate first. They take away access and then the accused has to prove the claim is baseless.
Removing his posts are no problem. But as I've stated before, ips put the entire community in the crosshairs by complaining to Marvel and DC. Removing the Freedom Force portion of this message board is a precaution to protect you guys, not us.
I'm going to break one of our rules here and air some dirty laundry. Given the circumstances I think it is warranted.
This is the reply Randy received from ips when he was banned.
Quotethanks for that honest deposition that just amounts to Zapow and MikeB7 just don't like me.
there was nothing pointless and needless in these disputes at all. and you all know it. the sad thing is that this is all petty vindictive crap. but, that's ok, 'cause i'm pretty good at vindictive.
This is part of message between ips and Gdaybloke from last night.
QuoteSo, you left a bunch of chumps on power trips in charge. While you were gone, they picked on someone who doesn't take crap. What did you expect? Dirty? Not so much, considering. They set the tone and I just kept up the pace. That's my "side". I think it's a little bit unrealistic to not expect this sort of response considering their actions.
I just don't want there to be any misconceptions as to why ips made this complaint.
Unfortunately, if he goes through with his threat to contact Marvel and DC, posting any of their stuff could still get us into trouble.
For me, I mostly do original stuff so I'm not affected that much. I see no reason why original material could not be posted still.
It's sad. Here a long term member of the community gets himself in trouble with the forum and proceeds to try to obliterate us, not just with the web host, but to make legal trouble for us with Marvel and DC. Considering that he did mostly Marvel and DC skins himself, it shows the hypocrisy and utter vindictiveness of his action. He's not just striking out at the people who banned him or those he might have had conflict with on the forum, he's striking out at all of us.
Sorry for the commentary. It's just very frustrating to see this kind of thing happen.
is it possible to use the same web address and have a different server? i'm willing to put up a monthly donation.
I am utterly disgusted by this. How could someone be so selfish and hypocritical? I could rant for pages, but there doesn't seem to be much point. Admins, thanks for the heads up and for working to blunt the blow.
Forgive my ignorance of the matter pertaining to maintaing a forum, but if someone OWNED their own server, and FR was hosted by this person....would we be safe from this kind of thing?
I really wish this wasn't a family friendly forum right now, so that I could express my true feelings, using the language such an occasion deserves. Not that it would be productive, but it would make me feel better.
As BG just said a big thank you to the admins. You don't desrve this.
UPDATE:
All of IPS's posts have been deleted as per the email's demand. I have informed our hosts of this and the removal of the resource forum. Now all we can do is wait and see what happens.
Well, the site's been shut down before. If we have to be shut down for a bit while we dispute the claim, I can think of worst.
The fact is, according to the host's own policies, the complainer has to be the owner of the copyrights, so IPS can only post about his own stuff. To make it worse, all the links to his stuff were ones that he put up, so it's a petty thing.
At any rate, if all his stuff is down we should be able to resolve this.
As to Marvel and DC, I doubt we'll have too much trouble. Fan made works are pretty common. The one site that was pulled down had some stuff going on that went beyond just fan works. In addition, DC seems to be pretty cool about stuff like this generally. Only Marvel has a history of going overboard, and then only about big name, popular stuff, which our community definitely isn't.
Still, I can't believe he did this. If he was trying to get back at the admins, he hurt a LOT more people than that. He could, in effect, shut down the entire community for essentially not agreeing with him.
:angry: all i can say is wow. here i am enjoying the game again. and boom someone really let loose. :doh:
IMo the idea that he will contact Marvel and DC and say 'hey FR has your copyrighted work on it - oh and by the way, A TON of it was put there by ME - is pretty unlikely. He's a 2 year old throwing a fit. Hopefully removal of his stuff will end the issue.
Take heart folks, karma is a real thing - scumbags generally get theirs in the end...
P.S. someone print this post and save it - I think this maybe th eonly time I have ever actually flamed someone in my life!! I'm such a troll!!! :P
the letter from lunarpages states that it is an issue with the individual.
i understand taking down all the things just in case. but it looked to me like, the only way lunarpages would demand the marvel and dc taken down is if an agent of either contacted them.
so, not only does ips have to contact both, they then have to contact lunarpages.
i remember the dc/marvel panic years ago. and they never cared about us at all.
Yeah I was here then too bearded. The reason why they don't care about us is because we are not trying to making any profit in selling anything. :huh: (This is truely like a Marvel comic story right now! Sheesh!) :angry:
Wow. I can't believe this...
I'm a law student myself. And even though codes, legislations and judge criteria may vary from one country to another (and I'm neither American nor living in the USA), from what I understand, he is making two points:
* To remove his stuff (from posts to personal creations). Since this site doesn't host any files, I guess the elimination of his posts will suffice. And it's already been done.
* To contact Marvel and DC. This seems threatening, but it only depends on the companies' attitude towards the subject. On one hand, I find it hard to believe that Marvel and DC don't know about Freedom Force and its community. Okay, we're not big, but back in the day, FF was probably the first successful superhero videogame. And this problem has been mentioned to death since then, without any major repercussions, as far as I recall. Both companies aren't unfamiliar with Modding, and big selling games have been modded too (think X-Men Legends/Marvel: Ultimate Alliance) without any serious legal problem. Those sites are still up and running -I know that those games are Marvel related and this one isn't, and that's quite a difference, but I digress-.
On the other hand, as Cat said, Marvel has a history of avoiding copyright infringements. But I don't think they have closed down sites related to videogames in recent times. They do have demanded the elimination of torrent links containing their comics, but that's a different matter altogether and their position is quite logical and understandable.
Many thanks to the admins for their hard work. Hopefully this will be solved real soon. Let's keep this community together: don't let the vindictiveness of one individual hurt us as a whole. I believe that, in spite of this turmoil, we will end up still standing, somehow - either here or in another site, we'll see.
Still I expect nothing to come from the Marvel and DC angle, I've writen many a post about how we are not really all that on their radar. 90% of the censorship of copywrited material has been self inflicted, and the one website that got smacked hard was mostly for their Sims content since that was much higher profile than FF.
I even e-mailed marvel a long while back asking them to ease up on the mod community and perhaps even celebrate their actions (kind of like they did with that I'm a Marvel guy) since all they do is raise brand awareness for free. Ultimately I realized that as fanatical as most companies are with their brands, the comic book ones are not especially bad or good. I think they where just woried that people where going to take advantage of the vagely sexual undertone of the sims to post some really damaging "marvel vs dc" images. But ever since Sims 2 they have not said a thing.
I'm stunned for all the problems he caused, I always thought he meant well and cared enough about the community to never do anything like this. Well I hope we can just ridden it out. There is still some brilliant stuff being produced. Maybe some of the best ever.
Thats why I'm truly hurt by this. I've seen some of the best stuff of late being produced. And I myself was planing a come back! :banghead:
There's still Vertex's forum but I don't care for it as much and IPS IS over there. I wonder if they know about this over there yet.
i feel you stlyes :(
its a crying shame that 1 person made this happen :angry:
and no one can fix whats been broken :angry:
i think im going to stay away from that forum
sorry Vertex but i cant, :(
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There's still Vertex's forum but I don't care for it as much and IPS IS over there. I wonder if they know about this over there yet.
Of course they do. Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum supports IPS and it's existence is a direct effect of IPS's banning.
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Quote from: steamteck on March 06, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
There's still Vertex's forum but I don't care for it as much and IPS IS over there. I wonder if they know about this over there yet.
Of course they do. Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum supports IPS and it's existence is a direct effect of IPS's banning.
I have to disagree, having just come out of the chatshack where Vertex was posting. Not to go into length about it, but he's not happy with IPS over this, to say the least. At least, that was my perception....I'll let him post his own feelings on the subject if he feels the need to do so. In the light that IPS has painted himself, I don't think anyone will be willing to support him any more.
I'm almost embarrased for him.
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Quote from: steamteck on March 06, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
There's still Vertex's forum but I don't care for it as much and IPS IS over there. I wonder if they know about this over there yet.
Of course they do. Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum supports IPS and it's existence is a direct effect of IPS's banning.
I think you need to make a distinction between people supporting IPS's side in the initial disagreement and people supporting what he's actually done. They aren't necessarily the same thing.
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Quote from: Xenolith on March 06, 2009, 06:39:12 PM
I'm almost embarrased for him.
Almost?
As petty and vindictive as this was, I actually feel sorry for the guy. I think he's always had the potential to become a self-righteously-angry, somewhat-paranoid, unhappy, self-centered individual, but I've known people like that, and, for all the trouble he's causing us, what he's done to himself is much, much worse. He didn't have to go down that path, but, now that he has, I doubt he's ever going to leave it.
(I hope for his sake I'm wrong about that last part, though.)
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I think you need to make a distinction between people supporting IPS's side in the initial disagreement and people supporting what he's actually done. They aren't necessarily the same thing.
Quoted for truth. IPS didn't have a lot of supporters, but even they would not support this latest action, I'm pretty sure.
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I think you need to make a distinction between people supporting IPS's side in the initial disagreement and people supporting what he's actually done. They aren't necessarily the same thing.
Quoted for truth. IPS didn't have a lot of supporters, but even they would not support this latest action, I'm pretty sure.
You are correct.
Not Shocked! :thumbdown: :wacko:
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Quote from: steamteck on March 06, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
There's still Vertex's forum but I don't care for it as much and IPS IS over there. I wonder if they know about this over there yet.
Of course they do. Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum supports IPS and it's existence is a direct effect of IPS's banning.
I think you need to make a distinction between people supporting IPS's side in the initial disagreement and people supporting what he's actually done. They aren't necessarily the same thing.
In the initial disagreement IPS's supporters weren't supporting his side of the argument, they supported
him. There were some that stated that while they didn't agree with him, their friend shouldn't fight alone. While they continued to not support his argument but support
him by creating another forum for him. I base views of people by their actions, not words. Vertex has been asked to ban IPS from FU. Let's see what happens.
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IPS's recent actions aren't at all surprising to me (after all, he's done this before, right?). What I do find surprising are those that claimed to be his friends (those that knew him best) are shocked and now distancing themselves from him. It took this for them to really understand how much of a mule's rear he is.
To tell you the truth, I always thought IPS was a bit arrogant. I didn't like him, but I didn't exactly hate him, either.
I haven't been paying much attention to what's been going on for a while, so I don't know what went on that led to IPS being banned. But if what got him banned wasn't it, him being a petty jerk and stirring up the trouble that led to the resource forums being taken down was crossing the line, and I don't think he should ever be allowed to come back.
Guys, let's not turn this thread into a flame fest, okay?
I wasn't really following the whole debate as it raged on but this is quite the astonishing development. I feel sorry for you guys running this place and any hoops you have to jump through now to deal with this.
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Quote from: steamteck on March 06, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
There's still Vertex's forum but I don't care for it as much and IPS IS over there. I wonder if they know about this over there yet.
Of course they do. Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum supports IPS and it's existence is a direct effect of IPS's banning.
I think you need to make a distinction between people supporting IPS's side in the initial disagreement and people supporting what he's actually done. They aren't necessarily the same thing.
In the initial disagreement IPS's supporters weren't supporting his side of the argument, they supported him. There were some that stated that while they didn't agree with him, their friend shouldn't fight alone. While they continued to not support his argument but support him by creating another forum for him. I base views of people by their actions, not words. Vertex has been asked to ban IPS from FU. Let's see what happens.
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IPS's recent actions aren't at all surprising to me (after all, he's done this before, right?). What I do find surprising are those that claimed to be his friends (those that knew him best) are shocked and now distancing themselves from him. It took this for them to really understand how much of a mule's rear he is.
Um, some of this is pretty incorrect, so I think it's best not to make judgments or calls on things the general public has very little info on. The forum wasn't created FOR him and it was up before he was even banned, so that's just an odd thing to say. Also, Benton is active on that forum, so your initial post kinda paints him as a supporter when we all know the story on that.
Just out of curiosity, what was the debate that led to him being banned about?
That would be airing dirty laundry and clearly against the rules of the forums.
-MJB
Quote from: GhostMachine on March 06, 2009, 08:20:21 PM
Just out of curiosity, what was the debate that led to him being banned about?
Ugh, lets not go there again.... It boiled down to a disagreement about mod content and distribution.
But that's neither here nor there now...
So to move in another direction, i think that one thing we should do is try and compile an up-to-date list (as much as possible) of all the yahoo groups before being lost. Even if some sites go down over possible legal possibilities, those yahoo groups are pretty insulated from all of that and it would be nice to have a list of the stuff that is available.
I'm assuming the admins are at least keeping a SQL backup of the site so that at some point things like the master mesh list or other useful stickied stuff could be retrieved and hosted elsewhere?
Add one more to the people not at all suprised. I thought this community was such a great place until this recent disagreement that IPS led, and it made me come here/contribute a lot less.
This situation is possibly a big problem, but I think right now the best thing going for the community is something I used to see as a disadvantage. We're small. It keeps us below radar. If :ffvstr: was taking in huge numbers and Marvel/DC stuff was still getting made, it would be more likely that they'd see us as a threat. Right now it doesn't look like we're diverting customers from their games. Hell, every good FF video on youtube has comments by people totally wowed by the existance of such coolness, some of who have played the game, yet still "didn't know you could use Spider-man, how can I get him??"
So,fingers crossed. I hope after this we can close on this bad chapter and carry on, happy as we were.
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Quote from: steamteck on March 06, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
There's still Vertex's forum but I don't care for it as much and IPS IS over there. I wonder if they know about this over there yet.
Of course they do. Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum supports IPS and it's existence is a direct effect of IPS's banning.
I think you need to make a distinction between people supporting IPS's side in the initial disagreement and people supporting what he's actually done. They aren't necessarily the same thing.
In the initial disagreement IPS's supporters weren't supporting his side of the argument, they supported him. There were some that stated that while they didn't agree with him, their friend shouldn't fight alone. While they continued to not support his argument but support him by creating another forum for him. I base views of people by their actions, not words. Vertex has been asked to ban IPS from FU. Let's see what happens.
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IPS's recent actions aren't at all surprising to me (after all, he's done this before, right?). What I do find surprising are those that claimed to be his friends (those that knew him best) are shocked and now distancing themselves from him. It took this for them to really understand how much of a mule's rear he is.
Um, some of this is pretty incorrect, so I think it's best not to make judgments or calls on things the general public has very little info on. The forum wasn't created FOR him and it was up before he was even banned, so that's just an odd thing to say. Also, Benton is active on that forum, so your initial post kinda paints him as a supporter when we all know the story on that.
I never mentioned people who just go there. How could I blame a newbie who has no clue to the recent events here and wanders over to FU? Read carefully. I said "Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum", meaning those that have a hand in creating, moderating, and hosting that forum. I think IPS actually hosts the forum (So I think that puts Vertex in a tight spot now), so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that creating those forums gave IPS an incentive to push his fight here. Maybe he (and some others) had planned this.
Wow.
Prem's been catching me up on everything (we still keep in touch a bit even if I'm not exactly active) that's been happening as far as this, and he just linked me here. As much of a jerk as he was/is, I thought he was better than this.
IPS, if you're reading this, thank you for once again proving me and everyone else wrong.
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Quote from: steamteck on March 06, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
There's still Vertex's forum but I don't care for it as much and IPS IS over there. I wonder if they know about this over there yet.
Of course they do. Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum supports IPS and it's existence is a direct effect of IPS's banning.
I think you need to make a distinction between people supporting IPS's side in the initial disagreement and people supporting what he's actually done. They aren't necessarily the same thing.
In the initial disagreement IPS's supporters weren't supporting his side of the argument, they supported him. There were some that stated that while they didn't agree with him, their friend shouldn't fight alone. While they continued to not support his argument but support him by creating another forum for him. I base views of people by their actions, not words. Vertex has been asked to ban IPS from FU. Let's see what happens.
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IPS's recent actions aren't at all surprising to me (after all, he's done this before, right?). What I do find surprising are those that claimed to be his friends (those that knew him best) are shocked and now distancing themselves from him. It took this for them to really understand how much of a mule's rear he is.
ummm one little thing, while I certainly am considering banning IPS over what he's done... (I DO NOT SUPPORT HIS ACTIONS)
I am surprised by you saying that I have been asked to ban him, I came to this conclusion on my own. I told him a long time ago that if there's one rule of the FF community it's that we're a community of peeps avoiding copyright laws.. and you don't call the cops. He's broken that rule.
and for the last time... FU was NOT created for IPS!! I can honestly say that was my idea and my pet project which now is apparently doomed because I"m poor and got a friend to host it for me... who apparently decided it was okay to screw me over.
guys we have to remember not to have innocent members caught in the crossfire, honestly attacking people who arnt to blame is extremely low
You were asked by some, to ban him. Whether or not that was before or after you came to your conclusion (not really a conclusion is it, if you're considering it, and haven't actually done it) is beside the point.
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Quote from: steamteck on March 06, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
There's still Vertex's forum but I don't care for it as much and IPS IS over there. I wonder if they know about this over there yet.
Of course they do. Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum supports IPS and it's existence is a direct effect of IPS's banning.
I think you need to make a distinction between people supporting IPS's side in the initial disagreement and people supporting what he's actually done. They aren't necessarily the same thing.
In the initial disagreement IPS's supporters weren't supporting his side of the argument, they supported him. There were some that stated that while they didn't agree with him, their friend shouldn't fight alone. While they continued to not support his argument but support him by creating another forum for him. I base views of people by their actions, not words. Vertex has been asked to ban IPS from FU. Let's see what happens.
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IPS's recent actions aren't at all surprising to me (after all, he's done this before, right?). What I do find surprising are those that claimed to be his friends (those that knew him best) are shocked and now distancing themselves from him. It took this for them to really understand how much of a mule's rear he is.
Um, some of this is pretty incorrect, so I think it's best not to make judgments or calls on things the general public has very little info on. The forum wasn't created FOR him and it was up before he was even banned, so that's just an odd thing to say. Also, Benton is active on that forum, so your initial post kinda paints him as a supporter when we all know the story on that.
I never mentioned people who just go there. How could I blame a newbie who has no clue to the recent events here and wanders over to FU? Read carefully. I said "Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum", meaning those that have a hand in creating, moderating, and hosting that forum. I think IPS actually hosts the forum (So I think that puts Vertex in a tight spot now), so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that creating those forums gave IPS an incentive to push his fight here. Maybe he (and some others) had planned this.
I read it fine (edited, no) and I didn't say anything about a newbie. :P. Anyone who joined up and posted on the forum is "supporting" it. That was my point. Your original post was a wide brush stroke. Regardless, hosting and moderating doesn't mean "instant support" either. They're people, not robots. Unless they are robots...different story then.
Quote from: TaskMasterX on March 06, 2009, 09:47:20 PM
You were asked by some, to ban him. Whether or not that was before or after you came to your conclusion (not really a conclusion is it, if you're considering it, and haven't actually done it) is beside the point.
Actually sigh for the last time I wasn't. I checked both my inboxes at the forums and there isn't a single post asking me to do so. (which amazes me to no end I must say)
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There's still Vertex's forum but I don't care for it as much and IPS IS over there. I wonder if they know about this over there yet.
Of course they do. Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum supports IPS and it's existence is a direct effect of IPS's banning.
I think you need to make a distinction between people supporting IPS's side in the initial disagreement and people supporting what he's actually done. They aren't necessarily the same thing.
In the initial disagreement IPS's supporters weren't supporting his side of the argument, they supported him. There were some that stated that while they didn't agree with him, their friend shouldn't fight alone. While they continued to not support his argument but support him by creating another forum for him. I base views of people by their actions, not words. Vertex has been asked to ban IPS from FU. Let's see what happens.
EDIT:
IPS's recent actions aren't at all surprising to me (after all, he's done this before, right?). What I do find surprising are those that claimed to be his friends (those that knew him best) are shocked and now distancing themselves from him. It took this for them to really understand how much of a mule's rear he is.
Um, some of this is pretty incorrect, so I think it's best not to make judgments or calls on things the general public has very little info on. The forum wasn't created FOR him and it was up before he was even banned, so that's just an odd thing to say. Also, Benton is active on that forum, so your initial post kinda paints him as a supporter when we all know the story on that.
I never mentioned people who just go there. How could I blame a newbie who has no clue to the recent events here and wanders over to FU? Read carefully. I said "Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum", meaning those that have a hand in creating, moderating, and hosting that forum. I think IPS actually hosts the forum (So I think that puts Vertex in a tight spot now), so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that creating those forums gave IPS an incentive to push his fight here. Maybe he (and some others) had planned this.
I read it fine (edited, no) and I didn't say anything about a newbie. :P. Anyone who joined up and posted on the forum is "supporting" it. That was my point. Your original post was a wide brush stroke. Regardless, hosting and moderating doesn't mean "instant support" either. They're people, not robots. Unless they are robots...different story then.
Ah, then it all must be coincidence that when IPS was banned, two days later a new forum is up hosted by IPS and administered and supported by all those that supported IPS in his Argument. That must be it.
Quote from: Vertex on March 06, 2009, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: TaskMasterX on March 06, 2009, 09:47:20 PM
You were asked by some, to ban him. Whether or not that was before or after you came to your conclusion (not really a conclusion is it, if you're considering it, and haven't actually done it) is beside the point.
Actually sigh for the last time I wasn't. I checked both my inboxes at the forums and there isn't a single post asking me to do so. (which amazes me to no end I must say)
Well, I was told by a trustworthy source that they had contacted you and asked for you to ban him.
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Quote from: Vertex on March 06, 2009, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: TaskMasterX on March 06, 2009, 09:47:20 PM
You were asked by some, to ban him. Whether or not that was before or after you came to your conclusion (not really a conclusion is it, if you're considering it, and haven't actually done it) is beside the point.
Actually sigh for the last time I wasn't. I checked both my inboxes at the forums and there isn't a single post asking me to do so. (which amazes me to no end I must say)
Well, I was told by a trustworthy source that they had contacted you and asked for you to ban him.
I can't comment on this unnamed mystery source but I can swear on my honor, this wasn't done. However, let me state again and again and again I did NOT support that whole fiasco with IPS I told you DURING the event.. AFTER the event and still you keep saying I did... I considered IPS a friend of mine with a bad temper and even worse sense of logic .. and hoped he wasn't capable of something like this. This said let me point out something for ya...
I wanted to create a new forum for a diff view on FF in general and to promote some things I didn't think this one does... and now.. IPS has COMPLETELY screwed me over by poisoning my forum, getting me branded as some conspirator... and otherwise ruining everything I've been trying to do lately. So I think you can take me off the list of "IPS supporters" Logic alone should tell you that ... at this point.
With great sadness I've just discovered and read this thread.
It seems remarkable to me that IPS, who spent so much of his time violating the copyrighted materials of others simply because he wanted to more fully enjoy the FF game(s) more, would try to hurt people who are only doing the same thing.
I hope that he acted in anger with his first action and that removing all trace of him here appeases him, and that in reflection he feels somewhat ashamed of himself for his Marvel/DC threats.
There would be no shame in that. People often regret things said in anger and frustration.
IPS has a wonderful talent, and found within this community the opportunity to display it ... and be appreciated for it. I sincerely hope that he doesn't ruin that same opportunity for others, who may first be starting out.
Seriously people, its this he said she said bickering that got us here in the first place.... can we all just move forward. What happened happened. It sucks, but lets focus on what we can do now...
While this is my opinion, and carries no weight beyond that, this is going in a direction that is not going to help matters in any way.
I think I can confidently say that many are angry here, myself included. But venting that anger at people who are still active and participating members of the community is going to do even more damage, hurt more feelings, cause more resentment.
I, for one, am angry at IPS for lashing out in such an immature manner, not because he zealously defended his point of view. I am certainly not angry at others for being sympathy or agreeing, or whatever, with IPS during that dispute. The only way to settle disputes is to hash them out. The community did that. IPS, in my opinion was a sore loser. Compromise is a bitter pill, but that's life. This is not a comic book reality, with clear cut good and evil. That kind of thinking lead to this whole debacle. I hope that we can put that kind of thinking behind us. Please.
TMX, the forum was up BEFORE he was banned. I said that earlier. The forum was joined by a bunch of people on both sides of that argument. As members and posters, they supported it enough to post and show off works of art they hadn't shown off here. That does not inherently mean they feel strongly one way or another for whatever IPS thinks or holds as his ideals and it certainly doesn't mean they stand by him no matter what.
That's all my point was. It's unfair to paint beliefs onto people who have not stated their beliefs as such. At this point, we can only speak on what IPS perpetrated towards FR and that's about it, me thinks. "FU" and what goes on there is excess.
Quote from: Vertex on March 06, 2009, 09:40:17 PM
ummm one little thing, while I certainly am considering banning IPS over what he's done... (I DO NOT SUPPORT HIS ACTIONS)
I am surprised by you saying that I have been asked to ban him, I came to this conclusion on my own. I told him a long time ago that if there's one rule of the FF community it's that we're a community of peeps avoiding copyright laws.. and you don't call the cops. He's broken that rule.
and for the last time... FU was NOT created for IPS!! I can honestly say that was my idea and my pet project which now is apparently doomed because I"m poor and got a friend to host it for me... who apparently decided it was okay to screw me over.
Honestly, if it was just you and the other Admins there, I'd be a member. I have no problems with any of you guys.
But even before this astonishing display of hypocrisy, pettyness and betrayal by IPS I couldn't join a forum which he hosted, or even one he posted on.
I'm genuinely sorry that what should have been a viable alternative cannot be that for me, and for my part in bringing us to where we are.
I do still feel some of this is my doing, for so publicly arguing with IPS as to force the issue. Maybe if I'd kept my virtual mouth shut, we would not be where we are now.
I cannot apologize enough for that.
Honestly don't see anything you need to apologize for Tommy. Sadly things played out so wrong on this but, you certainly didn't cause it in any way.
No Tommy, IPS did what he did cause he's a sore loser, it's not a mystery.
Wow. I'd never even heard about all of this going on before today. When I stopped skinning/hex editing for FF, I generally stopped checking out the Freedom Force-related portion of the boards and limited myself to the Community Forums area, so all of this just went by without me noticing.
There's a part of me that feels somewhat angry even though I'm not directly affected by the Freedom Force Resource Forums going down (it's probably me sympathizing with the skinners/meshers/modders who've lost one of the best venues for sharing their work and experience).
I guess the upside is that I've seen the FF modding community come back from similar setbacks, although they'll have to do it this time without FR's official support.
Hey, did anyone back up the FF section before it was taken down? When this blows over it'd be nice to not have to restart everything.
honestly this whole thing along with the sly diggs in this thread has really made me consider wrapping the whole thing up and saying b*****ks to it all
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 06, 2009, 10:54:12 PM
honestly this whole thing along with the sly diggs in this thread has really made me consider wrapping the whole thing up and saying b*****ks to it all
Don't do that, man. a) We've recovered from worse than this, and b) people are offended and angry and hurt, so it's no surprise they're lashing out in the heat of the moment, but look at the number of angry posts versus the number of posts AGAINST that. Look at the Ring the Bell thread, look at how people are clinging even tighter to what we have left.
TUE, you're a TERRIFIC talent, and an all-around decent chap. I think I speak for everyone when I say I'd hate to see you go because of this.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 06, 2009, 10:54:12 PM
honestly this whole thing along with the sly diggs in this thread has really made me consider wrapping the whole thing up and saying b*****ks to it all
Sadly I may be heading there with you...
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Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 06, 2009, 10:54:12 PM
honestly this whole thing along with the sly diggs in this thread has really made me consider wrapping the whole thing up and saying b*****ks to it all
Sadly I may be heading there with you...
C6, not you, too. We'd all hate to see you leave.
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Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 06, 2009, 10:54:12 PM
honestly this whole thing along with the sly diggs in this thread has really made me consider wrapping the whole thing up and saying b*****ks to it all
Sadly I may be heading there with you...
If y'all do that, IPS wins. He has attempted to destroy the community (whatever his claims to the contrary), and if we walk away we're letting him win. He's been told he can't play in the game, so not only is he taking his ball and going home, he's throwing it through a window and calling the cops.
I asked VX to ban IPS, not understanding he was hosting FU. VX did not get that message, as I've been having connection problems all day. Leave the man alone, he's gotten a raw deal here.
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Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 06, 2009, 10:54:12 PM
honestly this whole thing along with the sly diggs in this thread has really made me consider wrapping the whole thing up and saying b*****ks to it all
Sadly I may be heading there with you...
If y'all do that, IPS wins. He has attempted to destroy the community (whatever his claims to the contrary), and if we walk away we're letting him win. He's been told he can't play in the game, so not only is he taking his ball and going home, he's throwing it through a window and calling the cops.
I think the community's survival is a more important factor than one person's victory or loss at this point. Losing two high-profile skinners would freaking devastate us. A lot of people would leave, too.
Well, it helps people to focus and endure to personalize things. The REASON I am encouraging them not to go is the community's survival, but that should be subordinate to their own happiness...however, letting IPS get this over on us...that goes hand in hand with self-interest.
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 06, 2009, 11:04:30 PM
If y'all do that, IPS wins. He has attempted to destroy the community (whatever his claims to the contrary), and if we walk away we're letting him win. He's been told he can't play in the game, so not only is he taking his ball and going home, he's throwing it through a window and calling the cops.
agreed BG but honestly i am worried about how this is gonna affect me, if he does go to the big companys and they track down various site, i'm worried how this will work out for separate artists, i have my portfolio site where i try and sell my work all i need is a C&D and my host pulling the plug even though it's images and not files
Wha?
I...
Bwuh??
Feh.
QuoteHonestly, if it was just you and the other Admins there, I'd be a member. I have no problems with any of you guys.
But even before this astonishing display of hypocrisy, pettyness and betrayal by IPS I couldn't join a forum which he hosted, or even one he posted on.
I'm genuinely sorry that what should have been a viable alternative cannot be that for me, and for my part in bringing us to where we are.
I do still feel some of this is my doing, for so publicly arguing with IPS as to force the issue. Maybe if I'd kept my virtual mouth shut, we would not be where we are now.
I cannot apologize enough for that.
hey tommy,
its was going to happen no matter what was said and done,
he had his mind set on this.
Edit: Ninja
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Quote from: BentonGrey on March 06, 2009, 11:04:30 PM
If y'all do that, IPS wins. He has attempted to destroy the community (whatever his claims to the contrary), and if we walk away we're letting him win. He's been told he can't play in the game, so not only is he taking his ball and going home, he's throwing it through a window and calling the cops.
agreed BG but honestly i am worried about how this is gonna affect me, if he does go to the big companys and they track down various site, i'm worried how this will work out for separate artists, i have my portfolio site where i try and sell my work all i need is a C&D and my host pulling the plug even though it's images and not files
Ughh....yeah, something I hadn't really thought about. I would say that I don't see him being that short-sighted and stupid...but....well....yeah....maybe you should keep your head down for a while, but I do hope you won't give it up all together.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 06, 2009, 11:20:00 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 06, 2009, 11:04:30 PM
If y'all do that, IPS wins. He has attempted to destroy the community (whatever his claims to the contrary), and if we walk away we're letting him win. He's been told he can't play in the game, so not only is he taking his ball and going home, he's throwing it through a window and calling the cops.
agreed BG but honestly i am worried about how this is gonna affect me, if he does go to the big companys and they track down various site, i'm worried how this will work out for separate artists, i have my portfolio site where i try and sell my work all i need is a C&D and my host pulling the plug even though it's images and not files
Well, last time I checked, IPS still has copywrighted characters on his personal site, too. Heck, Magneto's on the front page. I doubt much will come of that. But if you DO quit skinning, please don't leave the community itself. Your contribution as a member of FR, creator or no, is invaluable.
I'm surprised, actually. I did not expect that from anyone, especially not someone as active in the FR community as IPS. I was vaguely aware that a disagreement was going on in the background, but mostly I visit the site because I like to talk about the comics and look at the pretty skins for a game I uninstalled years ago. I come back, day after day; I continue to post because I really like it here. I always saw it as an intelligent and mature place for people to discuss their interests in a friendly atmosphere. That image has been shaken, but noy yet destroyed. The community kept me here long after my interest in the game had faded, I just hope it won't fracture so badly that I stop visiting entirely. (And who knows, maybe my postcount will finally reach that elusive 1000 figure!)
why didn't one of you smart guys tempt IPS with the Anti-Life Equation before he killed Superman?!?! now look what you've done! the world has died, screaming!
(points to everyone who knows exactly which JLU episode i'm talking about.)
as always, i mostly lurk in this community, since i am definitely not a creator -- don't have those kinds of skills.
but i did want to say that, while this is one of the darkest moments for this site, that hopefully, people will still stay in this community. this community has always been a fun one to be around -- there are some truly funny, creative and talented people here. selfless, not selfish. people who gave a lot of time and effort into making games that were published years ago, and probably can't even be found today pretty much anywhere, simply an amazing game to play.
it's going to change, but that doesn't mean it has to end. it doesn't. there are fans of comics here. fans of characters. fans of concepts and ideas and "the neverending battle."
i've always found that, when tough times come, the kind of people who come here are usually a good place to start.
it really looks so naked here :(
Quote from: The Enigma on March 06, 2009, 11:28:28 PMmostly I visit the site because I like to talk about the comics...
... I come back, day after day; I continue to post because I really like it here. I always saw it as an intelligent and mature place for people to discuss their interests in a friendly atmosphere. That image has been shaken, but not yet destroyed. The community kept me here long after my interest in the game had faded
Yup. That pretty much sums up how I feel about this place. It's the only virtual community that I've ever felt an honest-to-goodness connection to (well, this and the late NPI community). All it needs is an expanded music section and a sports discussion section and I wouldn't have to visit any other forums :D.
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Quote from: The Enigma on March 06, 2009, 11:28:28 PMmostly I visit the site because I like to talk about the comics...
... I come back, day after day; I continue to post because I really like it here. I always saw it as an intelligent and mature place for people to discuss their interests in a friendly atmosphere. That image has been shaken, but not yet destroyed. The community kept me here long after my interest in the game had faded
Yup. That pretty much sums up how I feel about this place. It's the only virtual community that I've ever felt an honest-to-goodness connection to. All it needs is an expanded music section and a sports discussion section and I wouldn't have to visit any other forums :D.
The sports discussion section would be nice...although I think I'm the only hockey fan around these parts...
I generally don't post outside of the CoX part of the forums, I lurk around the other parts.
But at one time I did make skins and do feel and unhealthy obsession with this site even tho I never really played any of the games :(
I have no idea what happened and don"t really care, I think it sucks that one twisted person and cause so much havoc.
I am soo much more than disappointed... Admins, I have no beef with you, keep doing what you are! Skinners/meshers who are considering retirement... Though i am extremely saddenend by your thoughts i will back you up one hundred percent. It seems that there has been no true copyright infringement due simply to the fact that noone has SOLD anything related. I do however understand the thought process to save those who are deciding to back out, that is a respectable and intellegent move, all i can say should that be your final choice is thankyou for the endless hours of enjoyment you have gifted us with, and i hope (this will be resolved soon so that) we will see your work again some day. Now that i am thinking about it, should the fanfiction and art areas be sweaped out as well(even temporarily, until this is sorted out)?
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Quote from: zuludelta on March 06, 2009, 11:42:39 PM
Quote from: The Enigma on March 06, 2009, 11:28:28 PMmostly I visit the site because I like to talk about the comics...
... I come back, day after day; I continue to post because I really like it here. I always saw it as an intelligent and mature place for people to discuss their interests in a friendly atmosphere. That image has been shaken, but not yet destroyed. The community kept me here long after my interest in the game had faded
Yup. That pretty much sums up how I feel about this place. It's the only virtual community that I've ever felt an honest-to-goodness connection to. All it needs is an expanded music section and a sports discussion section and I wouldn't have to visit any other forums :D.
The sports discussion section would be nice...although I think I'm the only hockey fan around these parts...
nope, you're not the only hockey fan.
and i agree about a sports area
Quote from: Courtnall6 on March 06, 2009, 11:46:45 PMThe sports discussion section would be nice...although I think I'm the only hockey fan around these parts...
I think the problem with having a sports discussion area is the same one that would be inherent in having political and religious discussions: many people tend to get overly emotional or lose sight of rationality when it comes to discussing their favourite sports teams and sports figures. Some of the sports boards I frequent are just about as bad as 4chan when it comes to people taking things way too far and acting juvenile.
I don't really consider myself a "true" hockey fan (especially when compared to some people I know... my mum, for one) but I do keep up with the Canucks games on TV. I'm more of a basketball and boxing fan myself, and I'm slowly getting into mixed martial arts. Heck, my whole extended family's made up of boxing and competitive martial arts fans. We actually schedule our family gatherings and reunions around pay-per-view fights and some of our photo album folders are labeled not by date, but by the principal fighters involved in the match :lol:
Quote from: zuludelta on March 06, 2009, 11:56:04 PMSome of the sports boards I frequent are just about as bad as 4chan when it comes to people taking things way too far and acting juvenile.
No. They're not. The only thing nearly as bad as 4chan is 7chan...
*cowers in a fetal position in the corner as the memories flood back...*
Hockey and Soccer are my main two....but mostly hockey.
I was kinda into Basketball and Boxing in the 90s...never that big on Football...and I hate baseball like poison.
Quotenope, you're not the only hockey fan.
sweet :thumbup:
Quote from: zuludelta on March 06, 2009, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: Courtnall6 on March 06, 2009, 11:46:45 PMThe sports discussion section would be nice...although I think I'm the only hockey fan around these parts...
I think the problem with having a sports discussion area is the same one that would be inherent in having political and religious discussions: many people tend to get overly emotional or lose sight of rationality when it comes to discussing their favourite sports teams and sports figures. Some of the sports boards I frequent are just about as bad as 4chan when it comes to people taking things way too far and acting juvenile.
I don't really consider myself a "true" hockey fan (especially when compared to some people I know... my mum, for one) but I do keep up with the Canucks games on TV. I'm more of a basketball and boxing fan myself, and I'm slowly getting into mixed martial arts. Heck, my whole extended family's made up of boxing and competitive martial arts fans. We actually schedule our family gatherings and reunions around pay-per-view fights and some of our photo album folders are labeled not by date, but by the principal fighters involved in the match :lol:
We've had sports threads before though, Zulu, just not a section of the forums for it. And I don't recall anyone acting uncivil about the discussion. BWPS even took my shots at him being at Auburn in stride and occasionally returned fire in kind . . . in good ol' SEC college football tradition.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on March 07, 2009, 12:01:32 AM
Quotenope, you're not the only hockey fan.
sweet :thumbup:
Who are you a fan of Court?
Ok Im just throwing it out there... Every four years at the Winter Olympics.
I cannot get enough of the Curling.
I LOVE curling.
Quote from: GogglesPizanno on March 07, 2009, 12:13:31 AM
Ok Im just throwing it out there... Every four years at the Winter Olympics.
I cannot get enough of the Curling.
I LOVE curling.
Ok, now you've gone to far. You're now officially dead to me.
QuoteWho are you a fan of Court?
Les Canadien du Montreal...bleu, blanc, et rouge forever :cool:
Parlez-vous le francais? Tres bien!
So I just had to say that on the upside of things, this situation seems to have one positive outlook. We've all seemed to come together against a common enemy. In that sense, IPS is our Squid Monster, like in the Watchmen comic.
Quote from: GogglesPizanno on March 07, 2009, 12:13:31 AM
Ok Im just throwing it out there... Every four years at the Winter Olympics.
I cannot get enough of the Curling.
I LOVE curling.
(http://sitemaker.umich.edu/socio-functional/View/da.data/2280885/%5Bimage1%5D/filename)
:huh:
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on March 07, 2009, 12:02:30 AM
We've had sports threads before though, Zulu, just not a section of the forums for it. And I don't recall anyone acting uncivil about the discussion. BWPS even took my shots at him being at Auburn in stride and occasionally returned fire in kind . . . in good ol' SEC college football tradition.
I guess the FR community can be trusted to keep things civil when it comes to sports discussions, now that you mention it. I tend to get affected by the teams I follow, though (although not as bad when I was younger). I'd sometimes lose sleep over the Toronto Raptors losing close games (thankfully, I've since weaned myself away from an all-encompassing obsession with the sport and the team, otherwise, I'd probably need sleeping pills the way the Raptors are playing these days).
Quote from: Courtnall6 on March 07, 2009, 12:01:32 AM
I was kinda into Basketball and Boxing in the 90s...never that big on Football...and I hate baseball like poison.
Never that much into football myself. As for baseball, I like playing the game recreationally, but watching it on TV bores me to tears. The preference for basketball and boxing, I think, is at least partially a cultural thing for me. They're the virtual national sports in the country where I'm originally from (the Philippines) in terms of popularity, even though the official national sport is sipa (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/90/274632397_3247cce6ca.jpg?v=0), (similar to Indonesia's more popular
sepak takraw, basically volleyball played with feet).
Thank you Gremlin, you gave me the first good laugh I've had all day.
Still no news from Lunarpages. I did have a brief moment of panic when the site was down for all of 5 minutes, but other than that, we seem stable. All in all, it has not been a good day: someone at work lost their child overnight and the funeral is Sunday so that's been weighing as well.
All of this 'not a big of football' nonsense will cease at once before I am forced to deem you all traitors and have you hunted down and whipped with a wet noodle.
i think we're seriously getting off topic
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 07, 2009, 12:42:16 AM
i think we're seriously getting off topic
And that's a bad thing because...?
Quote from: Courtnall6 on March 07, 2009, 12:18:52 AM
Les Canadien du Montreal...bleu, blanc, et rouge forever :cool:
Les Canadiens de Montreal ? Wow, I live in Montreal and I'm a huge hockey fan. :thumbup:
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 07, 2009, 12:42:16 AM
i think we're seriously getting off topic
And you're surprised because.....?
Quote from: Alaric on March 07, 2009, 12:43:37 AM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 07, 2009, 12:42:16 AM
i think we're seriously getting off topic
And that's a bad thing because...?
im sorry
but yes its a very bad thing
its like nobody gives a rat's atrs
and its really blows.
i know i havent been as long as most of you
and this forum means alot to some members..
sorry buts how i feel
Don't take it so hard JP, I think people are just trying to blow off steam. We're all worried and angry, but you can't stay that way forever. Better to goof around a little than let this eat us up. The Admins will do what they can, and the rest of us will chip in any way we can. I for one am not going down without a fight...however, there isn't much we can do until GG hears back from her host.
Quote from: Johnny Patches on March 07, 2009, 12:50:39 AM
Quote from: Alaric on March 07, 2009, 12:43:37 AM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 07, 2009, 12:42:16 AM
i think we're seriously getting off topic
And that's a bad thing because...?
im sorry
but yes its a very bad thing
its like nobody gives a rat's atrs
and its really blows.
i know i havent been as long as most of you
and this forum means alot to some members..
sorry buts how i feel
Trust me, everyone still cares. But this is a very scatterbrained group. If you don't get hit with at least one obscure referrence a day around here, we're not trying hard enough. Threads wandering off-topic for a bit is par for the course.
*wonders if he should ask Zap to shake B A D out of his drunken slumber to post some randomness*
Quote from: Johnny Patches on March 07, 2009, 12:50:39 AM
Quote from: Alaric on March 07, 2009, 12:43:37 AM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 07, 2009, 12:42:16 AM
i think we're seriously getting off topic
And that's a bad thing because...?
im sorry
but yes its a very bad thing
its like nobody gives a rat's atrs
and its really blows.
i know i havent been as long as most of you
and this forum means alot to some members..
sorry buts how i feel
Easy there, JP.
Plenty of people care plenty.
But people also need to blow off steam in other ways, to just be a community of friends rather than a witch-hunt or lynch mob.
Lets all get through this however we can. If you need to vent, PM me or email me.
Quote from: tommyboy on March 07, 2009, 12:57:15 AM
Quote from: Johnny Patches on March 07, 2009, 12:50:39 AM
Quote from: Alaric on March 07, 2009, 12:43:37 AM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 07, 2009, 12:42:16 AM
i think we're seriously getting off topic
And that's a bad thing because...?
im sorry
but yes its a very bad thing
its like nobody gives a rat's atrs
and its really blows.
i know i havent been as long as most of you
and this forum means alot to some members..
sorry buts how i feel
Easy there, JP.
Plenty of people care plenty.
But people also need to blow off steam in other ways, to just be a community of friends rather than a witch-hunt or lynch mob.
Lets all get through this however we can. If you need to vent, PM me or email me.
Well said Tommy. I could vent and rage for pages, but it wouldn't do any good. Better to try and celebrate the community and wait for the verdict.
Quote from: Johnny Patches on March 07, 2009, 12:50:39 AM
Quote from: Alaric on March 07, 2009, 12:43:37 AM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on March 07, 2009, 12:42:16 AM
i think we're seriously getting off topic
And that's a bad thing because...?
im sorry
but yes its a very bad thing
its like nobody gives a rat's atrs
and its really blows.
i know i havent been as long as most of you
and this forum means alot to some members..
sorry buts how i feel
I know it can be frustrating, but this community's been through a lot lately. We're just trying to keep ourselves from cracking under the stress by kidding around. It's certainly keeping me sane.
As sane as I can get, anyways... ;)
yeah your right guys :banghead: its just sad whats happening
Quote from: Glitch Girl on March 07, 2009, 12:31:48 AM
Thank you Gremlin, you gave me the first good laugh I've had all day.
Still no news from Lunarpages. I did have a brief moment of panic when the site was down for all of 5 minutes, but other than that, we seem stable. All in all, it has not been a good day: someone at work lost their child overnight and the funeral is Sunday so that's been weighing as well.
Any time! It's what I'm here for.
I'm really sorry to hear that. The death of a child is always tragic. The family has my condolences.
Quote from: Johnny Patches on March 07, 2009, 01:03:17 AM
yeah your right guys :banghead: its just sad whats happening
Don't beat yourself up. I know it's crazy, but we've gotta stick it out. We'll be just fine. We're a resilient bunch. ;)
Man, it figures....I finally come out of skinning retirement after over 3 years, I post one skin, and the next day the FF stuff has to go, its gotta be my fault....yep...back to retirement for me. ^_^
One thing that is kinda neet to see with all this going on is the amount of "users" that are logged in here today. Normally I see about 6 -10 users, but today I've seen 35, 48, 51....and its neet to see what everyone is doing "by clicking on the amount of guests and members in the users online section"
Alot of people sending messages, checking their messages, viewing hot topics. Very active we are right now.
Not that I wanted to be a late party crasher, but I'm of two opinions.
The first is obvious. This is a sad occurence. This community provided literally years of enjoyment to a game that had a few hours of shelf-life to me, to be quite honest. If this were to be the last of it(which I do have to say I'm quite confident it is not), I've thoroughly enjoyed what everyone has brought to the table and appreciate all contributions meshing, skinning or otherwise(this includes IPS).
Secondly, I'm not sure how effective this removal can be. As it's been pointed out, nothing is being bought or sold with these creations. There's no profiteering. Moreover, several gaming, and non-gaming related sites have created similiar mods, editions and additions that involve copyrighted Marvel and DC characters and these communities thrive and thrive without threat. Lastly, again it's been said, with all the threats that these publishers actually face, this forum(and any affiliated sites) couldn't possibly be of concern when facing actual threats to their copyrights and once looked into, they'll realize what's been pointed out above.
But I could be wrong. I don't know. I wasn't aware of such a problem going on. I've been a casual associate of this site for several years now and have had nothing but friendly interactions with many prominent members, including IPS himself and based on my own experiences, I do not have an unkind word to say about any of these individuals, but thank you.
But I do have to wonder, is my avi-pic no longer allowable?
Quote from: USAgent on March 07, 2009, 02:14:44 AM
Man, it figures....I finally come out of skinning retirement after over 3 years, I post one skin, and the next day the FF stuff has to go, its gotta be my fault....yep...back to retirement for me. ^_^
break the toys and go.. you gotta be from illinois :P
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on March 07, 2009, 02:16:46 AM
Secondly, I'm not sure how effective this removal can be. As it's been pointed out, nothing is being bought or sold with these creations. There's no profiteering.
No, the mods decision to take the FF portion down for a while is indeed prudent.
The trick is not to incur the wrath of the copyright owners (which is why the community's small size is a good thing in this case). Laying low for a while may very well show that the FF community is no threat (assuming IPS alerts/alerted them of course).
People generally don't get taken to court if things weren't sold, but even if not, the copyright holders can tell all those who are making the skins to stop, and delete every byte of offending material (a cease & decist order).
Not as bad as being sued, but I'm sure everyone can appreciate the desire to avoid that.
I think the right things are being done though, and I expect we'll be able to recover in good time.
Maybe the mods could create temp areas for non copyrighted stuff to be posted and discussed - some of us work on original stuff or simply FF stuff. If someone wanted to reskin Minute Man as a hippie, we have permission to do that.
(Please God someone do that!)
FFX related stuff shouldn't be off limits either or scripting.
It might help to keep us from hanging out anticipating the worst because we have nothing else to do...
U.S. Copyright law is quite explicit that the making of what are called "derivative works" -- works based or derived from another copyrighted work -- is the exclusive province of the owner of the original work. This is true even though the making of these new works is a highly creative process. If you write a story using settings or characters from somebody else's work, you need that author's permission.
source: http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
Wouldn't this mean that IPS has no copyright claim to his work as he didn't have permission from the original copyright holders? Seems rather hypocritical of him to even do this. Apparently, respect and an understanding not to abuse someone's work isn't enough for some people. And why did it even have to go this far? Couldn't IPS have asked the mods to remove everything by him instead of going to the host? It's a very petty thing to do, in my opinion.
I'm totally hurt, angry and thoroughly depressed (as are many of you, I'm sure)by what's happened...But truthfully, is there a point to these forums without the FF section? Sports? Y'all are killing me with the sports talk...Blech. I visit the comics section and the movie/music/tv section from time to time, but I'm really here for the FF section...I'm here for FF, the FF community and the game's mod-ability.
So I guess there will be no mods (or maps) from me based on Marvel characters/settings (or DC, etc...)...
Dana
Jeeze! I don't log in for a few hours and look what happens.
I didn't even know IPS was banned. Shows you how much attention I pay. His site is gone, by the way (or at least the link I have to it is dead), so I guess he can honestly state that he is not hosting any copyrighted material. I am kind of sad for him too. He is too young to see that road he is on could twist back around to one of those bridges he has nuked in his wake. At the same time, people who were ambivalent about him previously now have very definite opinions of him.
Well, most of the stuff I post is of characters who are from companies that haven't existed for over fifty years, but still!
Awhile back, Conde-Nast (edit: actually, it was their lawyers, if I remember correctly) sent letters of intent to serve Cease and Desist Orders to several pulp hero fan sites. Some of them posted copies of the stories, others just posted copies of some covers or interior illustrations. All were apparently painted with the same brush, even though none were making money directly off the copyrighted material (advertising may have been a different matter). So, yes, many of us do have something to worry about (although, as I understand it, usually, if you remove the copyrighted material from your site of your own free will when asked to, that is the end of it).
Hey! JP: don't take it too hard. We all care, we just have to crack jokes sometimes so we don't start crying. Or cursing.
Those who talk about quitting-yeah, this kind of thing leeches all the fun out of something, but that is what this act was intended to do. It is an infantile, immature, and spiteful action, intended to make as much trouble for as many people as possible. Including those who had nothing to do with the events that preceeded it, and even some those who were originally on his side.
I don't know what else to say.
:angry: Who would do such a thing?
why would that person do that to us? :angry:
:angry: what next for our community? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :angry:
Quote from: daglob on March 07, 2009, 03:01:13 AM
Jeeze! I don't log in for a few hours and look what happens.
I didn't even know IPS was banned. Shows you how much attention I pay. His site is gone, by the way (or at least the link I have to it is dead), so I guess he can honestly state that he is not hosting any copyrighted material.
Nope...It's still there...
http://ya-media.com/
http://ya-media.com/pages/gamework.html
Quote from: djfredski on March 07, 2009, 03:10:21 AM
:angry: Who would do such a thing?
why would that person do that to us? :angry:
:angry: what next for our community? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :angry:
Who would do this? Have you not read the thread?
Dana
i didn;t really want to get to nuts and bolts here, and i am not a lawyer (though I have studied law in college here and there as a business major), but I am a writer and deal with copyright issues... keep in mind I am no expert...
The copyright owner has the right to assert his/her/its claim regardless of whether or not you are profiting from using their materials. There are fair-use exceptions (education, reviews and parody are common). So, if you draw a picture of Wonder Woman with a carrot for a nose DC can't sue you - its a joke. If you quote a few lines from Harry Potter in a review, J.K. Rowling can't sue you - that's fair use in the review. Sadly, modding the Sims, Freedom Force or whatever is not fair use. The fact that no one sells the skins is meaningless.
Now with the doom and gloom out of the way, let's look at some more heart warming stuff. DC (for instance) is not going to sue you. Period. Why not? you ask. They could! I'll be ruined! They have big shot lawyers and stuff! Exactly. Why the hell would a big shot company sue *you*. Now *you* is a bit of a guesstimation on my part here - I don't know *you*. Let's assume *you* are just like me. DC wouldn't sue me because they are not going to waste time and money suing someone with no money. That's why OJ Simpson got sued but Ted Bundy did not. What are you going to sue Ted Bundy for? OJ was worth millions - suing him had a point. Suing me is a waste. Even if the judge awards DC 100 billion dollars, I don't have 100 billion dollars or anti-copyright infringement insurance, so DC would be out of luck. Sure they get a piece of paper that says they win, but good luck with that.
So those who are worried - don't - at least not for your personal well being. You may lose the ability to distribute your skins and stuff, but if you are ever hit with a C&D just do what it says and it will end. No one is going to take your house in a lawsuit (they can't take your house anyway - at least not in NY where I live :P ) So relax and let's hope this all works out.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on March 07, 2009, 03:11:40 AM
Quote from: daglob on March 07, 2009, 03:01:13 AM
Jeeze! I don't log in for a few hours and look what happens.
I didn't even know IPS was banned. Shows you how much attention I pay. His site is gone, by the way (or at least the link I have to it is dead), so I guess he can honestly state that he is not hosting any copyrighted material.
Nope...It's still there...
http://ya-media.com/
http://ya-media.com/pages/gamework.html
I didn't know he had this one. The link I had was to a FF only site.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on March 07, 2009, 03:00:47 AM
So I guess there will be no mods (or maps) from me based on Marvel characters/settings (or DC, etc...)...
Dana
Ahhh... Just do original characters now. It's not like we're in short supply there.
But, as to this... all I can say is dang. I didn't post much anymore, but I still kept track of every skin thread. I also quite enjoyed seeing what everybody else was doing and maybe filling or finding the occasional request. Heck, I never even checked the general discussion board, really.
...dang.
Those thinking that this ain't worth it anymore, please, reconsider it when you calm yourselves a little.
This is no time for rash reactions. If once you've calmly thought this through, you still consider you must stop skinning/meshing/whatever, that's a decision I can understand. This kind of stuff makes it not fun anymore. If, on the other hand, you decide to continue with your amazing creations, I think the rest of us will appreciate it greatly.
I think we must stick together as a community during these rough times. I am affected too by this copyright infringement, but I would like to continue with my Voicepacks once this situation gets solved. Hopefully, I will be able to announce them in FR, as I have grown fond of this place, so much that I decided to return after being absent for a year because I really like it here - And I like it not only for the goods, but also (and especially) for the friendly and fantastic atmosphere.
Don't let the turmoil discourage you. While there is hope to solve this issue, I'm keeping my positive attitude. At all times.
So does anybody think he's reading this thread, because if he is :P
I'm right behind Sledge on this one... I'm going to ride out the storm and see what happens on the other side. I'm not giving up what I enjoy making (voicepacks) and nobody should quit because they are worried about the fallout of what happened here.
I'm happy that so many people have visited FR today and really showing support that this site is needed no matter which form it has to take on.
- CQ
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on March 07, 2009, 03:00:47 AM
I'm totally hurt, angry and thoroughly depressed (as are many of you, I'm sure)by what's happened...But truthfully, is there a point to these forums without the FF section?
I don't know if you meant this as a rhetorical question or not but yeah, there is a point to these forums without the FF section. I've had some very intelligent and enlightening discussions about comics right here in the General Discussion board. And these are discussions that I don't think I would have been able to have, say, over at the Newsarama or Comic Book Resources forums where I think the average poster is probably a bit younger and more prone to "fan-talk" (not to mention the fact that the large size of their respective communities means a thread could very easily buried by a ton of "Marvel sucks!" and "DC sucks!" threads in a few hours).
He's burned his bridges with everyone in the community now (since he's hurt all of us). The sooner he knows it, the better.
I hope Freedom Reborn will be reborn yet again...Someday.
Dana
Quote from: zuludelta on March 07, 2009, 04:02:30 AM
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on March 07, 2009, 03:00:47 AM
I'm totally hurt, angry and thoroughly depressed (as are many of you, I'm sure)by what's happened...But truthfully, is there a point to these forums without the FF section?
I don't know if you meant this as a rhetorical question or not but yeah, there is a point to these forums without the FF section. I've had some very intelligent and enlightening discussions about comics right here in the General Discussion board. And these are discussions that I don't think I would have been able to have, say, over at the Newsarama or Comic Book Resources forums where I think the average poster is probably a bit younger and more prone to "fan-talk" (not to mention the fact that the large size of their respective communities means a thread could very easily buried by a ton of "Marvel sucks!" and "DC sucks!" threads in a few hours).
Perhaps I exaggerated a bit, but did you catch the rest of my post? For me, the FF part is an important part...It's why I joined almost 5 years ago. It's a great community with some great people, but I joined to take part in my enjoyment of FF and it's mod possibilities.
Dana
I hope too I want download some skins!
Sad that this has happened, but I do not think anything will come up with DC or Marvel. There is not competition here and they are not losing money. The way the economy is this site could motivate a person to go buy their comics. As long as their characters are not displayed out of character. This site is made up of a lot of their fans and it would be bad PR. But in the meantime this site http://fabricadeherois.blogspot.com/ you can design your own heroes even if you do not have artistic talent, like me. I believe things will come around and everything will be back up. :rickbm
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on March 07, 2009, 04:06:44 AM
Perhaps I exaggerated a bit, but did you catch the rest of my post? For me, the FF part is the important part...It's why I joined almost 5 years ago. It's a great community with some great people, but I joined to take part in my enjoyment of FF and it's mod possibilities.
Dana
I know you're on edge because of recent events, but there's no need to get snippy. You asked if there was a point to the forums without the Freedom Force section and I indulged your question by replying as to how the forums are relevant to me without the FF section. I didn't say that you should enjoy the forums
sans the FF material. In no way did I imply that your appreciation of the boards should not be lessened because of the loss of the FF resources board. I was trying to offer you something to hold on to and appreciate about what remains of the boards.
I know that I just recently returned to these forums for a long absence...but I still felt like a part of this community. It is stunning to me personally that someone can be this petty over nothing. Also, I find it very sad that the homage we fans pay to the heroes who have inspired us for years could be construde as copyright infringement. Anyway, I won't rant and raise a ruckus...I just want to say that I hope the community survives this, I really appreciate the opprotunity to share my original ideas with like minded individuals...and I do believe in karma, so he who is responsible(who I shall not name due to lack of respect) will see what comes around goes around.
Hang in there heroes, even when we face bleak times, we can stand together and whether the tide of any Crisis.
the one and only(and saddened)
LiveWyre(Barret Lee Mehaffey)
don't panic.
general rule, hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.
we've been through the cease and desist panic before. and i remember, the only ppl who got them were darkjared, with skindex and sims skins, and an individual received a personal letter from eisner regarding his 'spirit' character not carrying guns!
we are smaller than we were before, and fr has complied completely.
As a long time lurker, I just wanna say thanks to you guys for keeping this game alive. And getting me back into comics.
Just in case this is the end.
Hope it isn't.
Quote from: zuludelta on March 07, 2009, 04:27:57 AM
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on March 07, 2009, 04:06:44 AM
Perhaps I exaggerated a bit, but did you catch the rest of my post? For me, the FF part is the important part...It's why I joined almost 5 years ago. It's a great community with some great people, but I joined to take part in my enjoyment of FF and it's mod possibilities.
Dana
I know you're on edge because of recent events, but there's no need to get snippy. You asked if there was a point to the forums without the Freedom Force section and I indulged your question by replying as to how the forums are relevant to me without the FF section. I didn't say that you should enjoy the forums sans the FF material. In no way did I imply that your appreciation of the boards should not be lessened because of the loss of the FF resources board. I was trying to offer you something to hold on to and appreciate about what remains of the boards.
I think you're reading snippiness, where there is
none, Zu...I didn't mean it to sound that way.
Dana
this cant be the end!
There's really no reason for FR to "die."
Remember that Irrational employees have posted here before, and they have encouraged modding and provided tools to do so. So anything we do with the FF universe or any other original material is fine and does not fall under the wet blanket of IPS' vindictiveness.
There's no reason to stop making maps, FX, skins, meshes, etc.
Hopefully Vertex and others on the FU forum will still post here and let us know when new material is released there. I won't be joining that forum, not just because IPS is there, but because of the stated format. I like the fact that FR has always been moderated and "family friendly." My little girl loves to see the skins and meshes (and is a *huge* C6 fan :)), so that means a lot to me.
FU is billed as, well, less family friendly. That in itself knocks it out for me. Nothing against the folks there at all, just a matter of personal preference. Family comes first, and FF is something my daughter and I share.
Quote from: TaskMasterX on March 06, 2009, 06:28:22 PM
Quote from: steamteck on March 06, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
There's still Vertex's forum but I don't care for it as much and IPS IS over there. I wonder if they know about this over there yet.
Of course they do. Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum supports IPS and it's existence is a direct effect of IPS's banning.
I'm a mod there... and I'm just learning about this now.
Don't make assumptions about who supports what actions.
Quote from: Lionheart on March 07, 2009, 05:18:48 AM
There's really no reason for FR to "die."
Remember that Irrational employees have posted here before, and they have encouraged modding and provided tools to do so. So anything we do with the FF universe or any other original material is fine and does not fall under the wet blanket of IPS' vindictiveness.
There's no reason to stop making maps, FX, skins, meshes, etc.
Hopefully Vertex and others on the FU forum will still post here and let us know when new material is released there. I won't be joining that forum, not just because IPS is there, but because of the stated format. I like the fact that FR has always been moderated and "family friendly." My little girl loves to see the skins and meshes (and is a *huge* C6 fan :)), so that means a lot to me.
FU is billed as, well, less family friendly. That in itself knocks it out for me. Nothing against the folks there at all, just a matter of personal preference. Family comes first, and FF is something my daughter and I share.
:thumbup: yeah freedom reborn will never die!
Quote from: President Raygun on March 07, 2009, 03:48:18 AM
So does anybody think he's reading this thread, because if he is :P
Definitely. If you're cowardly enough to pull this type of stuff, you'd want to sneak back and look at the results. Hopefully IPS' real social life is less catastrophic than his virtual one. Then again, if he had a social life, he probably wouldn't spend so much time trying to shut down an internet forum...
In all honesty, I can't see DC and Marvel caring about Freedom Reborn. Employees of Irrational have posted here, as have Marvel writers (such as a Fabien Nicenza). These companies don't care about the relatively small community that creates mods for an old game sheerly because they love comics.
Besides, Freedom Reborn is indestructible, and impervious to viruses, self-righteous jerks and everything short of nuclear fallout.
Quote from: TaskMasterX on March 06, 2009, 06:28:22 PM
Quote from: steamteck on March 06, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
There's still Vertex's forum but I don't care for it as much and IPS IS over there. I wonder if they know about this over there yet.
Of course they do. Everyone associated with administering and supporting that forum supports IPS and it's existence is a direct effect of IPS's banning.
Whoa.. whoa.. whoa, assumptions are not good things...
Just because IPS works at the place that hosts that site doesn't mean that members there agree with IPS's actions or what is going down with FR. So lets not be spreading rumors because you are not a member or ever want to be and have no idea what is being posted in those forums. I joined there when it opened because I wanted to make sure VPMAX could be found at any FF forum and because Vertex had some great ideas for meshes which I wanted to be part of. Nothing negative has ever been said about FR there and there is nothing there cheering on IPS's actions either.
- CQ
Quote from: Jakew on March 07, 2009, 05:31:54 AM
Quote from: President Raygun on March 07, 2009, 03:48:18 AM
So does anybody think he's reading this thread, because if he is :P
Besides, Freedom Reborn is indestructible, and impervious to viruses, self-righteous jerks and everything short of nuclear fallout.
Truer words were never said
Quote from: House Quake on March 07, 2009, 05:19:26 AMI'm a mod there... and I'm just learning about this now.
Don't make assumptions about who supports what actions.
HQ, you've been a mainstay here for a long time. You've helped me out a few times over the years, patiently answering questions and providing tips. Thanks for your contributions. I have no doubt that this is news to you as well.
I hope when things get going here again, you'll still be willing to post your original works. Quite a few of your older ones still find their way into my Rumble Room sessions. :)
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on March 07, 2009, 03:00:47 AM
I'm totally hurt, angry and thoroughly depressed (as are many of you, I'm sure)by what's happened...But truthfully, is there a point to these forums without the FF section? Sports? Y'all are killing me with the sports talk...Blech. I visit the comics section and the movie/music/tv section from time to time, but I'm really here for the FF section...I'm here for FF, the FF community and the game's mod-ability.
So I guess there will be no mods (or maps) from me based on Marvel characters/settings (or DC, etc...)...
Dana
Don't worry Dana, I for one am not going to let the content side of things fade away. If the Admins decide not to bring that portion of the forums back (a decision which, at this point I would totally understand even as I would be deeply saddened by it), I would be willing to step up and provide a new board for those kinds of endeavors. Also, there are other options, even if that doesn't become one. I'm keeping track of email addys, and I will make sure everyone stays informed. I'm still hopeful that the Admins will be able to sort all this out, though.
IPS is definitely watching. He wants to feel like the center of attention...even if the attention is coming from a lynch mob. He's lurking in the shadows here and on FU. It's funny....or maybe sad...but he keeps claiming that he is no longer part of the community, and that he doesn't care, but he still hasn't left. He's haunting the place, both literally and figuratively, and I know that he is still downloading content.
i know another Marvel artist who has perused this site briefly but doesn't have time to register and post currently. but he has viewed this site and work here.
I know I'm behind the times but ... can someone explain the IPS / Vertex / new forum thing people keep referencing? "FU"?
Quote from: Jakew on March 07, 2009, 05:47:41 AM
I know I'm behind the times but ... can someone explain the IPS / Vertex / new forum thing people keep referencing? "FU"?
Freedom United (http://www.freedom-united.com/) it's just another forum specifically for FF Modding... A place for getting advice on meshes/skins/voicepacks/maps and so forth but without any language censorship (which does make it more adult in nature). It's intended to be a place like HQ's old forum was.. which is part of why he is a mod there. Some folks are apparently getting the idea that alternative forums other then Freedom Reborn are because members are breaking away from the community because of disagreements or huge fights that have occured lately. We are there because of worry that FR would be attacked by hackers again or the server would crash and we would still have a place to get FF material.. no other reason. If anyone thinks that Freedom United will be uneffected by IPS's actions then they have got be kidding themselves.
- CQ
Quote from: crimsonquill on March 07, 2009, 05:57:10 AM
If anyone thinks that Freedom United will be uneffected by IPS's actions then they have got be kidding themselves.
- CQ
Particularly considering the forum is hosted on IPS' webspace...
Quote from: Kommando on March 07, 2009, 06:06:11 AM
Quote from: crimsonquill on March 07, 2009, 05:57:10 AM
If anyone thinks that Freedom United will be uneffected by IPS's actions then they have got be kidding themselves.
- CQ
Particularly considering the forum is hosted on IPS' webspace...
Correct, He can pull the plug at any time (and we have yet to hear from Vertex here but he is probably pretty mad)... I'm sure if he leads Marvel/DC to FF mod sites then any FF site he endources would undermine his position that we are "bad people" for modding games using existing characters and he is an "artist" who just painted on meshes... there are artists here that make skins for FF that no longer play it as well. Not to mension that the place he works would not like the idea of getting C&D letters for stuff on his own webspace.. which probably makes sense why he removed all FF stuff from his own site. Cover his own arse first.. My apologies for getting upset.. but reading all these replies is working me up.
- CQ
Quote from: crimsonquill on March 07, 2009, 06:14:59 AM
Quote from: Kommando on March 07, 2009, 06:06:11 AM
Quote from: crimsonquill on March 07, 2009, 05:57:10 AM
If anyone thinks that Freedom United will be uneffected by IPS's actions then they have got be kidding themselves.
- CQ
Particularly considering the forum is hosted on IPS' webspace...
Correct, He can pull the plug at any time... I'm sure if he leads Marvel/DC to FF mod sites then any FF site he endources would undermine his position that we are "bad people" for modding games using existing characters and he is an "artist" who just painted on meshes... there are artists here that make skins for FF that no longer play it as well. Not to mension that the place he works would not like the idea of getting C&D letters for stuff on his own webspace.. which probably makes sense why he removed all FF stuff from his own site. Cover his own arse first..
- CQ
Well, he removed his FF site a while ago during the mod drama, so this latest issue wasn't the reason it is gone, though I don't know if his mediafire stuff is still up. Regardless, his portfolio still shows FF skins and there's still evidence of his work outside of this site, so if he does go forward with anything, he'd still be in the line of fire. This is ultimately why I think he didn't contact Marvel or DC as he'd be at immediate risk himself.
Quote from: Jakew on March 07, 2009, 05:31:54 AM
Quote from: President Raygun on March 07, 2009, 03:48:18 AM
So does anybody think he's reading this thread, because if he is :P
Definitely. If you're cowardly enough to pull this type of stuff, you'd want to sneak back and look at the results.
Besides, Freedom Reborn is indestructible, and impervious to viruses, self-righteous jerks and everything short of nuclear fallout.
I agree. Let us not give IPS=(Italian Porn Star{Family Forum} The further satisfaction of reading his results. MODS: PLEASE, DO NOT CONTINUE TO FUEL THE FIRE. PLEASE, LOCK THIS THIS THREAD! Let us not lose site of the importance. One man can not destroy us!
Quote from: Zapow on March 06, 2009, 08:08:37 PM
Guys, let's not turn this thread into a flame fest, okay?
You were all warned by an Administrator not to flame. This is going downhill fast.
I'm locking the thread.
-MJB
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