http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=9&itemid=14008
*waves hands around* Discuss. :D
Hmm..
You know, it actually doesn't look that bad, but I can't shake the feeling that some of the shots are..under developed. Granted, there is still a 6 month stretch. Destro seems interesting, but why are people bouncing around in Halo (the game) suits?
It looks okay for what it is... I'm just glad that we're finally getting a live-action GI Joe film after something like two and a half decades after the property was first optioned... just to give you guys an idea of how long the live-action movie has been in development limbo, I still have the issue of the original series where writer Larry Hama, in the letters page, talks about how actor Louis Gossett Jr. was in talks about playing Roadblock. Freaking Louis Gossett Jr.!!! He's gotta be at least 70 years old by now.
Aside from the generic "black leather body armor" posters, everything else about this film is looking more and more sorta tongue in cheek and cartoony. Which actually has me more interested. The idea of trying to do a totally serious GI Joe movie based on the source material is kinda ridiculous. But if he goes more the route he did with the Mummy movies, then I am actually intrigued.
Quote from: GogglesPizanno on February 01, 2009, 08:13:37 PM
Aside from the generic "black leather body armor" posters, everything else about this film is looking more and more sorta tongue in cheek and cartoony. Which actually has me more interested. The idea of trying to do a totally serious GI Joe movie based on the source material is kinda ridiculous. But if he goes more the route he did with the Mummy movies, then I am actually intrigued.
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Goggles, did you ever read the Hama comics from the 80's? They were serious, or mostly so, and were FANTASTIC. He was a Vietnam vet, and the comics were shot through with brilliantly subtle, human moments for his characters, fascinating social commentary (for a kid's comic), and true heroism. This movie looks to embarrass itself in comparison.
I did in fact go through my GI Joe comic phase. And I liked them. I petered out after a while, so I don't know if I got to the truly serious storylines. But when I say source material, I mean the cartoon, as this movie is clearly based on the cartoon mythology and way less the comic book.
Which is why when a lot of people see potential sillyness I get a little excited. I mean if they have anything even close to the MASS Device (which the eiffel tower scene looks like it could hint at that kind of thing)... then its not meant to be taken seriously at all.
And realistically even if you tried to do some kind of legitimate serious take with social commentary etc... the fact it is being tied to the brand name GI Joe -- hampers that approach by sheer association as way more people are going to go into this through the eyes of a cartoon/toy line and not some semi serious comic book from the 80's.
That's the inherent problem of doing a GI Joe movie is that the line you have to walk to make it credible to all the various perceptions of the characters is so fine.
I kinda don't know how to feel. Somehow I just know this movie is going to be incredibly bad, it just seems so wrong.
To me, the whole G.I. Joe concept is just about perfect for a serious movie.
You have a terrorist organization causing trouble and war on the terrorists being run by a secret branch of the military. Fits right in with modern times.
There aren't really too many fantastic elements to begin with. You just have a good potential for a serious movie.
Quote from: GogglesPizanno on February 01, 2009, 10:29:40 PM
That's the inherent problem of doing a GI Joe movie is that the line you have to walk to make it credible to all the various perceptions of the characters is so fine.
Good point. The producers probably decided early on that they would base the movie more on the cartoon than the comic book, seeing as how more people got exposed to the former than the latter.
But like I said earlier, at this point, I don't even care if they base the movie on the horribly-received early 1990s DiC cartoon. As a fan from way back in the day of the RAH toys and comics, I'll take a live action GI Joe movie any way I can take it. The classic Hama comics will always be there for me to read and enjoy if I want what I think of as "my" GI Joe (and he's also writing an upcoming rebooted series for IDW comics... I read a sneak preview in this month's Toyfare and it's awesome so far... much more Tom Clancy than Saturday morning cartoon from the looks of it) and I don't think this GI Joe film, no matter how bad it might turn out to be, will diminish what's gone before (and really, it doesn't look all that bad considering how many more ways Hollywood could have screwed it up).
it looks like a potentially entertaining summer action movie, with lots of explosions and high arse-kickery. Kind of like the Transformers movie, which paved the way for this film to happen. And honestly, that's all I'm expecting. This is merely a cash-in on a once popular toy line, while hopefully at the same time rebooting interest in a nostalgic franchise. The teaser has my interest, and I suppose that's all that matters. However, while I really liked the first two Mummy movies, the directors third movie after that was Van Helsing, which was downright terrible. So I hope it's much more like the fun action-adventure Mummy movies (especially the first one) and much less like the shriek-infested, cheesy crapfest Helsing.
Personal impressions:
It goes very fast, hard to pick out many characters beyond Baroness and Snakeyes.
The green stuff eating the Eiffel Tower makes me think of the Mass Device mini series, the one that started the cartoon series. This is not necessarily a bad thing.
"From the Director of the Mummy". I hated the Mummy, so not a selling point to me.
Snakeeyes looks frickin' awesome.
Stalker does too...oh wait, it's NOT Stalker. (yeah I know, but I'm still wondering why they decided the go the route they did)
Lots of leaping around and stuff exploding, typical summer movie fare, neither good not bad at this stage (for example, Iron Man could be called typical summer movie fare, and it rocked)
I'm sure more will be leaked as time goes on, we'll see how it goes.
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Why does the Baroness look just like Lisa Loeb? Why are the Joes wearing a lot of black leather-like clothing (the Matrix syndrome strikes again?)? Why is Eccleston not wearing a silver mask? Why does Snake Eyes have, what appears to be superhuman abilities? Do these films really have to have this much CGI?
I agree with CatWhoWalksAlone about the concept being great for a serious film (it could be a fantastic film, if done well), but I am doubting this film will be it.
Dana
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Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on February 02, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
Why does the Baroness look just like Lisa Loeb?
It's really just because of the actress picked to play the part.. who is more or less a cute popular actress. Put her in a black wig, fake glasses or sunglasses, and a skin tight leather outfit with two guns and you end up with a villian who looks like a popular emo-looking singer who is armed. Baroness is supposed to be gorgeous and yet deadly scary at the same time... like her wrapping her arms around you being totally seductive as she snapped your neck and just before you die you realize she also had her gun at your head too. Don't quite get that feeling in the clips they showed. I'll hold my full judgement until I get a scene with actual dialogue and hopefully a scene with her seducing Destro and being blown off because he rather blow up a few Joes.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on February 02, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
Why are the Joes wearing a lot of black leather-like clothing (the Matrix syndrome strikes again?)?
GI Joe is a stealthly strike force that doesn't "exist".. so standing around wearing colored (often neon-colored like the later toys were) individualized costumes and yelling "Yo Joe!' at the top of their lungs before attacking terrorist agents who are also trying to hide in plain site (at this point) doesn't really work too well. Since the movie is about the origins of both Cobra and GI Joe I'm sure that the more recognizeable elements will appear in the movie towards the end. And come to think of it....I'm sure we will get the line-up of GI Joe in their official uniforms (or some variation of them) going "Yo Joe!" at least once at the end when the team is introduced to the world after the events of the movie.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on February 02, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
Why is Eccleston not wearing a silver mask?
I'm getting the impression that since Eccleston requires "face time" they just took part of the roles of Tomax and Xamot and blended them with Destro. Hence we have Destro playing two roles.. A businessman with lots of polictical power in public and does his secret arms dealing in the underground market while weaing his "family" mask.. but when he must deal with GI Joe interfearing with his business dealings then he will join the big battle at the end along with his private army.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on February 02, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
Why does Snake Eyes have, what appears to be superhuman abilities?
He is a Ninja and a Commando... Add those two things together in a big budget movie that must compete with superhero movies and giant transforming robots. You end up with a super ninja that can rival any character seen in an anime series that can do martial arts plus can alter physics and slow down time for action shots.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on February 02, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
Do these films really have to have this much CGI?
This question is answered above... "big budget movie that must compete with superhero movies and giant transforming robots".
- CQ
LOL @ CQ
You pretty much summed that up.
The Destro bit is unforgivable. They should have cast someone with a good voice (his really isn't all that impressive) who wouldn't worry about wearing a mask.
Quote from: BentonGrey on February 03, 2009, 02:40:34 AM
The Destro bit is unforgivable. They should have cast someone with a good voice (his really isn't all that impressive) who wouldn't worry about wearing a mask.
I wouldn't worry about Destro's voice too much... yet....If they plan on keeping his "masked" life secret then he will most likely have an altered voice when wearing it and it will probably be deep and metallic. It would explain why Eccleston needed face time because if he masked up as Destro and wouldn't be recognized visually or by voice as the actor then he would need to be seen on cam for awhile.
I don't count Snake-Eyes under this rule too much because Ray Park is used to being masked up and silent.. they just made his face shield slightly transparent so they can do those close up shots of his eyes when they need an emotional moment from him. I'm not sure if they might have some flashback face time with him in his pre-war days so we can get some idea of how close he was to his fellow teammates before he was muted and disfigured. And please don't tell me I'm spoiling the film by telling this detail about him... if you are reading this thread then you read the comic or watched the cartoon.
- CQ
Quote from: crimsonquill on February 02, 2009, 08:24:44 PM
It's really just because of the actress picked to play the part.. who is more or less a cute popular actress. Put her in a black wig, fake glasses or sunglasses, and a skin tight leather outfit with two guns and you end up with a villian who looks like a popular emo-looking singer who is armed... I'll hold my full judgement until I get a scene with actual dialogue and hopefully a scene with her seducing Destro and being blown off because he rather blow up a few Joes.
It's probably an age thing, too. The actress playing Baroness looks relatively young. In my head, I've always pictured her as the sexy older type. I would've cast Monica Belluci, personally, but then again, I'd probably cast Monica Belluci in every movie.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on February 02, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
Why are the Joes wearing a lot of black leather-like clothing (the Matrix syndrome strikes again?)?
I don't mind that the producers/designers decided to go for a uniform look for the Joes, but yeah, the all-black get-ups aren't really doing it for me... for one thing, it makes Snake-Eyes and the Baroness look somewhat less unique (the Baroness, particularly, could just as well be Scarlett or Lady Jaye but with glasses on and darker hair).
Quote from: crimsonquillGI Joe is a stealthly strike force that doesn't "exist".. so standing around wearing colored (often neon-colored like the later toys were) individualized costumes and yelling "Yo Joe!' at the top of their lungs before attacking terrorist agents who are also trying to hide in plain site (at this point) doesn't really work too well
Good point.
As an aside, black isn't a very stealthy color choice for a uniform in today's modern battlefield. Black shows up much more readily under IR and night-vision devices because of its tendency to absorb all sorts of emitted radiation. In fact, the current ACU (Army Combat Uniform) has eliminated black altogether from its camouflage patterns, as they actually stand out the most in virtually all types of combat environments (night and day) as tested by the scientists at the Natick Soldier Center (there aren't very many tactical environments that consist of extensive solid black areas... even at night, a person wearing solid black tends to stand out from the rest of the darkened environment).
That being said, I think most "civilians" still think that "black = stealthy," so I can't really fault the guys behind the movie's costumes for going with it. Having the Joes suited up in sage green and gray (the dominant colors in most modern military camouflage patterns) would probably have even more fans howling and shaking their fists in rage.
Quote from: crimsonquill on February 02, 2009, 08:24:44 PM
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Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on February 02, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
Why does the Baroness look just like Lisa Loeb?
It's really just because of the actress picked to play the part.. who is more or less a cute popular actress. Put her in a black wig, fake glasses or sunglasses, and a skin tight leather outfit with two guns and you end up with a villian who looks like a popular emo-looking singer who is armed. Baroness is supposed to be gorgeous and yet deadly scary at the same time... like her wrapping her arms around you being totally seductive as she snapped your neck and just before you die you realize she also had her gun at your head too. Don't quite get that feeling in the clips they showed. I'll hold my full judgement until I get a scene with actual dialogue and hopefully a scene with her seducing Destro and being blown off because he rather blow up a few Joes.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on February 02, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
Why are the Joes wearing a lot of black leather-like clothing (the Matrix syndrome strikes again?)?
GI Joe is a stealthly strike force that doesn't "exist".. so standing around wearing colored (often neon-colored like the later toys were) individualized costumes and yelling "Yo Joe!' at the top of their lungs before attacking terrorist agents who are also trying to hide in plain site (at this point) doesn't really work too well. Since the movie is about the origins of both Cobra and GI Joe I'm sure that the more recognizeable elements will appear in the movie towards the end. And come to think of it....I'm sure we will get the line-up of GI Joe in their official uniforms (or some variation of them) going "Yo Joe!" at least once at the end when the team is introduced to the world after the events of the movie.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on February 02, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
Why is Eccleston not wearing a silver mask?
I'm getting the impression that since Eccleston requires "face time" they just took part of the roles of Tomax and Xamot and blended them with Destro. Hence we have Destro playing two roles.. A businessman with lots of polictical power in public and does his secret arms dealing in the underground market while weaing his "family" mask.. but when he must deal with GI Joe interfearing with his business dealings then he will join the big battle at the end along with his private army.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on February 02, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
Why does Snake Eyes have, what appears to be superhuman abilities?
He is a Ninja and a Commando... Add those two things together in a big budget movie that must compete with superhero movies and giant transforming robots. You end up with a super ninja that can rival any character seen in an anime series that can do martial arts plus can alter physics and slow down time for action shots.
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on February 02, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
Do these films really have to have this much CGI?
This question is answered above... "big budget movie that must compete with superhero movies and giant transforming robots".
- CQ
You just have all the answers, don't CQ! GGGRRRRRRR! :angry:
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:spoiler:
First look at Cobra Commander (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/03/and_here_he_is_cobra_commander.php) :banghead:
Oh my gawd...... :huh:
Huh??
Are they serious??
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[there are no words]
Furthering my theory of it being a train wreck of epic proportions, I cant help but be excited by the prospect of so bad its good!
Cheer up. The animated G.I. Joe movie will be coming out soon and will be airing on AS. Behold I am the bearer of good tidings for this actually looks good. :D
http://www.theterrordrome.com/2009/04/finally-a-gi-joe-resolute-premiere-date/ (http://www.theterrordrome.com/2009/04/finally-a-gi-joe-resolute-premiere-date/)
The thing is, Cobra Commander is pretty much the easiest characters get get right as far as looks goes. You pretty much have to not even try to get the character right to get him wrong, which is obviously what happened. He isn't even wearing a military type uniform any more.
French Trailer (http://www.superherohype.com/news/gijoenews.php?id=8291)
In English, French subs
I saw this this afternoon.
I still think it looks like an trainwreck of awesomeness.
Even more so now... Underwater bases, crazy green supergoo missiles, robotic armor suits...
Wow...you know, I was actually considering seeing this, just to enjoy Snake Eyes being awesome...but I don't think I can forgive that crime against humanity which is their design for Cobra Commander. I really, REALLY love CC...and I just can't handle that. So, I'll be skipping this film.
Quote from: Midnite on April 04, 2009, 01:27:37 AM
:spoiler:
First look at Cobra Commander (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/03/and_here_he_is_cobra_commander.php) :banghead:
I choked on my own siliva when I read the comments of the guy who posted the pic:
QuoteWEARING A SLEEVELESS TRENCHCOAT.
HAS A BAZOOKA WITH FIRES A LARGE Bible.
HAS TUBES CONNECTING HIS HEAD AND CHEST, TO EITHER TRANSPORT CHESTJUICE TO HIS SKULL, OR SKULLJUICE TO HIS CHEST.
AND HIS HEAD IS A GIANT CRUNCHBERRY.
Honestly, it doesn't look
that bad. Look at the viper mask in the trailer, I'd imagine CC's won't be
that much of a departure and quite frankly, I didn't expect a full faceplate or a hood even. But according to what they've said so far, CC is supposed to be like the Emperor from Empire Strikes Back, which means his presence will be minimum with Destro and the Baroness being the lead baddies.
What I still find most unforgiveable is the lineup of Joes. Of course you could hardly go wrong with Hawk, Duke, Snake-Eyes and Scarlett, but Ripcord? Heavy-Duty? And I know he's an original, but Breaker?
And
STILL, WTF is with those damn suits? I'm getting
a little use to them and I'm glad I see they aren't exactly as static as they look(I detest the idea of everyone looking alike), but still... :thumbdown:
http://superherohype.com/news/gijoenews.php?id=8296
New trailer.
Looks ok i guess. i never really got into gi joe when i was a kid (i always thought they were like the village people of saturday morning)
It's interesting to see Stormshadow and Snake Eyes.
Also i find it interesting that this is another summer hit movie with a Korean in the cast (posing as a Japanese character). Living in Korea we get a lot of media hype when movies have Korean supporting actors. For example other movies with similar situations are Wolverine, Star Trek, and Speed Racer.
The GI Joe trailer was shown with my Star Trek viewing. After the trailer ended, everyone laughed at it. Yeahh.. this movie is going to bomb.
To tell you the truth...I sincerely hope so.
Anyone see the new clip?
The clip isn't too bad... until Robocops, er... the Joes show up.
So they dress down Cobra and slap on HALO-like wall climbing armour to the Joes. Ugh.
I guess having the Joes dress down too would make too much sense. Nooooooooo, let's make it "cool" instead. Ugh.
RTT
I'm going to reiterate... It will be the greatest and most awsome trainwreck ever.
I cant wait!
I figure Ive been disappointed by all the summer "event" movies thus far (except maybe Star Trek - but I'm hot a huge fan to begin with) so this one has the potential to be great due to my non existent expectations -- or expectations of train wreckitude.
This looks awesome! Bound to be lots of 1 dimensional characters and stupid lines....I gotta see this on the big screen while I'm back in the states. It also seems to be filled with action. The best action movies are those a 5 year old could write.
I like how the recent trailers say "From the director of The Mummy" and not his most recent film...Van Helsing, which was, I thought, one of the absolute worst movies I've sat through. I mean, I know it's a smart move on the marketing team to not mention the guys worst movies, but The Mummy came out such a long time ago. It reminds me of how every M. Night Shyamalan movie trailer HAS to say "from the director of the Sixth Sense," cus, you know, he hasn't made any movies since then. :rolleyes:
this is going to be one big cheese fest. I'll be surprised if Rotten Tomatoes gives it anything higher than a 40%.
I have three major problems with the movie (well, four, but since two involve a particular character I combined them):
1. The accelerator suits, which make the Joes look like black versions of Master Chief from HALO.
2. The casting of Cobra Commander, and from what I've heard he looks pretty stupid.
3. Marlon Wayans being in the movie practically guarantees it to bomb. And if any Joe gets killed off, I hope its him. He's easily my least favorite Wayans brother.
Also not too fond of the fact they made a pre-existing white character (Ripcord) black, rather than using a pre-existing black character, but I can live with it. Stalker and Roadblock are more well known than Ripcord, and even Alpine would have worked, and if there's a sequel I hope they do bring in Stalker or Roadblock.
Well, I never really got into later GI Joe so I really have no investment here but looks kind of fun to me. I'd rather see a Van Helsing sequel myself or a real 3rd Mummy not the one we got instead but this looks like fun.
The audience I saw the trailer with was actually good until they mentioned GI Joe THEN the laughing and derision started. To a lot of the public its just a kids toy line and that's kinda it.
You know... take the Iron-Man suits out.... and this new trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oad-4FZhWOI&fmt=22) is pretty damn awesome.
What made me flip? I still think Cobra taking down the Eiffel tower is very old school Joe. The underwater shots and scenes. THE VEHICLES!!! Did I see the Sharc? The Sky Raven (Which honestly is Cobra's Night Raven as a Joe vehicle instead)? Cobra Sea Ray? Cobra Mantis?
What made me cringe? The goofy parts with the suit. The spacefall.
What actually made me laugh? "What happened to you?" "I jumped over it" "You can do that?"
Pleasant surprise? is that Ozzy's "Crazy Train" I hear?
RTT
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What actually made me laugh? "What happened to you?" "I jumped over it" "You can do that?"
Now he's GOT to get him one of those!
Apparently Stephen Sommers next film is Magic Kingdom for Sale ? SOLD! Which sucks, because I actually liked those books, and I'm not a fan of Sommers at all.
I haven't been following the development of GI Joe: Rise of Cobra, but I never realised it was set 10 years into the future?
Also, Arnold Vosloo as Zartan?
and:
"Brendan Fraser plays a motorcycle-riding sergeant, who is not Gung-Ho as has been rumored, whom he dubbed a "refugee from the Village People". Fraser claimed the character is a descendant of Rick O'Connell from The Mummy, thus linking both of Sommers' films.[35] Fraser said that he asked to have a cameo in the film after producer Bob Ducsay told him that the project had been green-lit."
Quote from: Jakew on June 22, 2009, 04:54:17 AM
Apparently Stephen Sommers next film is Magic Kingdom for Sale ? SOLD! Which sucks, because I actually liked those books, and I'm not a fan of Sommers at all.
Magic Kingdom for Sale ? SOLD! - I love those books. Please I hope they don't screw up this movie
Urg.
Shouldn't the Baroness have an accent....or was that just a cartoon thing?
Side note: I'm so very tired of american media taking stabs at France(destruction of Eiffel Tower in this movie, destruction of Paris in Armegeddon, A-hole Ultimate Cap saying "This "A" doesn't stand for France!", etc, etc, etc) . It's been almost 70 years people. Let it go.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on June 22, 2009, 09:45:15 PM
Side note: I'm so very tired of american media taking stabs at France(destruction of Eiffel Tower in this movie, destruction of Paris in Armegeddon, A-hole Ultimate Cap saying "This "A" doesn't stand for France!", etc, etc, etc) . It's been almost 70 years people. Let it go.
Stop being so French :P
As for GI Joe... I've said it a million times.
The most awesome train wreck ever!
As an aside, since we are talking about monument destruction, has anyone seen the new trailer for 2012? Its like Roland Emerich decided that this is going to be his disaster swan song and makes it a point to destroy EVERY MONUMENT IN THE WORLD that his other movies missed. Its so ridiculous, its amusing.
Quote from: BWPS on June 21, 2009, 11:38:05 PM
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What actually made me laugh? "What happened to you?" "I jumped over it" "You can do that?"
Now he's GOT to get him one of those!
:D :D :D :D :thumbup:
Quote from: Jakew on June 22, 2009, 04:54:17 AM
Apparently Stephen Sommers next film is Magic Kingdom for Sale ? SOLD! Which sucks, because I actually liked those books, and I'm not a fan of Sommers at all.
I haven't been following the development of GI Joe: Rise of Cobra, but I never realised it was set 10 years into the future?
Also, Arnold Vosloo as Zartan?
and:
"Brendan Fraser plays a motorcycle-riding sergeant, who is not Gung-Ho as has been rumored, whom he dubbed a "refugee from the Village People". Fraser claimed the character is a descendant of Rick O'Connell from The Mummy, thus linking both of Sommers' films.[35] Fraser said that he asked to have a cameo in the film after producer Bob Ducsay told him that the project had been green-lit."
hmmm. On the other I don't know the book but I like Sommers, vosloo and Fraiser so unless the source material or adaptation is not to my liking I'm in.
It really, honestly breaks my heart that there are actually really excellent stories to tell with these characters and settings...and instead, we're getting this. This is the ONE time GI JOE will get on the big screen, and they are wasting it. <_<
With Hollywood....rarely anything is ever ONE time.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on June 26, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
With Hollywood....rarely anything is ever ONE time.
Ha, they may turn this into three terrible movies instead of one, and they may even remake it in twenty years when I'm getting up there in age, but then it will be a remake of a terrible translation of a mediocre translation...and still not be the good stories.
My best buddy saw a prescreening of this movie and said it was so bad it makes Transformers 2 look good....honestly. He added that the audience reaction was such that the studio is considering pulling it before the official release date.
There is no way to the studio would pull it at this stage. But I believe it will be awful.
G.I. Joe Will not be shown to critics (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-joe5-2009aug05,0,7961892.story)
Generally, this does not bode well for the movie quality nor the studio's confidence in it.
Quote from: thalaw2 on July 27, 2009, 04:44:16 AM
My best buddy saw a prescreening of this movie and said it was so bad it makes Transformers 2 look good....honestly.
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TF2 was a horrific disaster from beginning to end...but I'll still have to check out GiJoe for myself.
Ive seen a few advance reviews that said Yes its dumb and silly and basically a big loud live action cartoon....but that it does it well and entertainingly if you go in with the right expectations. Then someone compared it to Flash Gordon, and I was even more sold than i was already.
I'm actually kind of excited about it right now.
Quote from: Glitch Girl on August 05, 2009, 03:01:10 AM
G.I. Joe Will not be shown to critics (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-joe5-2009aug05,0,7961892.story)
Generally, this does not bode well for the movie quality nor the studio's confidence in it.
They are following the Transformers 2 rationale ... ie, that reviews and critics are worthless compared to good advertising campaigns.
Quote from: GogglesPizanno on August 05, 2009, 03:29:05 AM
Ive seen a few advance reviews that said Yes its dumb and silly and basically a big loud live action cartoon....but that it does it well and entertainingly if you go in with the right expectations. Then someone compared it to Flash Gordon, and I was even more sold than i was already.
I'm actually kind of excited about it right now.
Exactly!! And I am looking forward to it also. I'm not expecting a "great movie" but I am expecting a fun, loud action movie that doesn't try to be anything other than a cheesy, fun summer popcorn film.
Quote from: Glitch Girl on August 05, 2009, 03:01:10 AM
G.I. Joe Will not be shown to critics (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-joe5-2009aug05,0,7961892.story)
Generally, this does not bode well for the movie quality nor the studio's confidence in it.
LOL....I am not surprised...Unfortunately. I mildly enjoyed the cartoon and have never read the comic book...But this looks more like a cartoon than the original cartoon ever was.
Dana
Ohh man, Dana, do yourself a favor and pick up the original comics, at least the five volumes they've released in TPB's. They are really some of the best comics I've read.
If Larry Hama started up GI Joe again and recruited Aquaman as a new team member, I think Benton would have to call it a day as there would be no more mountains left for him to climb....
Quote from: GogglesPizanno on August 05, 2009, 06:29:23 PM
If Larry Hama started up GI Joe again and recruited Aquaman as a new team member, I think Benton would have to call it a day as there would be no more mountains left for him to climb....
But then Shipwreck would be out of a job..........and what about Optimus Prime?
Don't look now guys but the reviews have generally been positive. Yes, they've said it's a popcorn flick devoid of real substance, but Rotten Tomatoes has it at 75% fresh. Given it has gone from 82% to 80% to 75% and it's only 16 reviews, but we might not have a total egg here.
Honestly, those numbers won't mean anything until they have a good 50-75 reviews. So far, most of those who've seen it were handpicked by the studio so there's gonna be a bit of a slant. The real test is going to be post-general release.
Still, the early opinions expressed are still better than the rumors we've heard over a few months ago. Even with the bad reviews.
from what i've seen over at superherohype which has some of the harshest bitterest fans i've seen, the reviews so far have been decent, it's not fantastic but it great fun.
someone said it's like a throw back to 80's style action films
Saw GI Joe movie.
Went in with relatively low expectations.
Like most of it. Think the writers backed themselves into a hole on a few things, though.
Wish they'd have stuck to one particular comic for the backstory/origin instead of borrowing from several different ones here and there then adding their own.
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I think they chose a variation of Cobra Commander's worst costume mask for his mask at the end.
Love the explanation of Destro's unremovable mask at the end. It made sense and fit the story.
Hated the way they had Baroness has an unwilling bad girl only to turn good. Though, they left an opening for her to relapse in the sequel.
Why kill Cover Girl?? For that matter, why give the Wild Bill shout out only to kill him moments later?
Brendan Fraser's cameo made sense sorta and was a fun cameo!!
One of the most prominent scenes in the trailer was not apparently in the movie unless I blinked and missed it. WTF!!
Joseph Gordon Levitt looked like he was having a blast. He is my new hero. :)
I would almost entirely agree with Hamrick.
The movie is not near the horrendous pile of crap that everyone was assuming it was... provided you go in with certain expectations (ie. I feel bad for anyone Benton is going to see the movie with ;) ). It was just cheesy enough to be fun, while still taking itself seriously enough that it wasn't some self referential joke. It was a giant live action cartoon that succeeded in all the ways that Transformers failed.
And for a PG13 film, while the blood was minimal and limited to cuts and bruises, the action was extremely violent...
No, I ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE. Completely! What they did was a disgrace. It's like not only did they try NOT to stick to the essentials of GI Joe, but they went out to make a gut-wrenching, insulting, senseless and totally useless and horrific movie. I went out and saw it Thursday night and I actually came back and made a long and terrifying post about it and luckly my computer rebooted. But what they did to this was plain and simple unnecessary.
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First, of all, I did come in not expecting Shakespeare. But I'm well familiar with the comics, the cartoon as well as the toyline and additional cartoon series. I know the base material. I'm convinced whoever wrote this movie did not. But that's not even the worse part of it.
I refuse to go point for point about how much they did wrong, a lot we already know. But damn it, I understand if you didn't want to go the route of the comics and have Snake-Eyes and Hawk be the feature characters. Heck, even if you didn't want to go the route of the cartoone and didn't want Duke and Scarlett to be linked romantically. But DAMNIT! Duke and the Baroness?! And worse: RIPCORD AND SCARLETT?!!!?
I'm getting really tired of Hollywood taking liscense of franchises and doing whatever the hell they want to with it, totally and irresponsibly regarding the source material and just slapping the name on it and expecting fans to appreciate what they did.
Okay, I'm a fan of the source material. I know it really well. But because they completely flushed 155 issues of the comic down the toilet isn't the only reason for reasonable people to be turned away from this. This movie was horrible. It would have been a step higher than that if I had any faith at all that someone over the age of nine wrote the script. What the hell were they thinking? And how in the hell Sommers shoot that and have faith that it looked or sounded good? No, I'm not talking about the action, I'm talking about the dialogue, the exposition, the language, everything about the script and how it was filmed. Man, I can't blame the actors, the actors aren't bad actors... but the way they carried their lines and the way it was shot was disgusting. A lot of movies are bad because of ridiculious situations. Some are bad because of horrible writing, directing and acting. this was the whole thing.
Now, to be fair, I can't say it was all bad. The characters, when their charcterizations were right, they were good. The Baroness, was as nasty as she was hot and she was smoking.... up until the last act of course. Storm Shadow and Snake-Eyes didn't disappoint at all(despite being made a child killer and some ridiculious vow of silence when the "Fat Master" was killed). And the scene that most thought we all would hate, the chase in Paris, actually was the best thing about the entire film really(yeah, even with the Robo-Cop suits).
But for as dispicable of a deviation they did with little to no regard to the source material and given how bad the scripting was, there is no forgiving this movie and what they did. This is probably the worse adaptation I've ever seen. Yes, even below Captain America. I mean, why in the name of God did they just totally take a crap over the Baroness' backstory? Not only was she married to some douchebag, but she's a blonde-haired American who's brother is Cobra Commander and engaged to Duke... WTF? Honestly, I could cope with some of the racial and ethnic changes. If you want to make Ripcord black, got it. Make Heavy Duty British, fine. If you wanted Breaker arab, do your thing. But damn, the rest of the changes were just really random, and really unnecessary.
Please, if you have not seen this movie, thank me for this post. If you have, I'm truly sorry that you did. You'll never be able to get those two hours of your life back. Those two hours could have been wasted with something more useful like Last Action Hero or Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo. Not this.
Please excuse my errors, but it's 5:30. But I also wanted to say I'm sorry if my criticism is harsh, but man I feel like apologizing to those who saw the movie becuse that, what you just saw, was NOT GI Joe.
Well... I saw it.
And I want more... NOW!
Didn't expect much and had a blast when I did watch it... it was like Star Trek. Fun.
A few things bothered me, but why let it ruin the fun. I sat back for a few moments and thought what those issues really meant to me. Nothing. GI JOE is a toy that has a few different variations to it. The cartoon, the various comics... but then I thought --- what made GI Joe special for me? The toy... what I read on the back of the cards and that what I imagined myself as I played with them.
So I applied that to the movie.
I got to watch Stephen Sommers and the screenwriters play with their toys... and while he didn't play the same way I did --- I still enjoyed watching him play.
So, I thought this movie was going to be a trainwreck and I'd walk out disgusted. Instead I walked out with a big old stupid grin on my face and went right over to Toys R Us to find me a General Hawk toy.
---RTT
Hehe, I'm hoping they do a few more.
Yeah, got to say I checked it out and I loved it. Can't wait for the next one.
Wow, totally fun. Although the dialog was groan-inducing, the plot was actually pretty interesting, there were definitely some surprises. I didn't watch the show very much or read the comics ever so in my mind this is just a movie based on the toys and I can't complain about any differences. The action was nonstop awesome and OMG Snake Eyes is just so cool. He sworded people much. Scarlett, Duke, Hawk, and Ripcord could have learned something from him by not talking ever. But it was still cool to see them kill people. Also someone in the theater hit a fire alarm and we all got free tickets!
I thoiught it was pretty good. I just like that Brendan Fraiser had a bit part as Flint.
Brendan Frasier plays Flint? I heard his cameo was going to be a soldier on a motorcycle. And if he has a black beret, that doesn't automatically make him Flint, since that's what the Army wears now. (Wish they had Hawk wearing a helmet instead of the beret) Was he actually called, or credited as playing Flint?
Hama's cameo should have been as Tunnelrat. :P
Over at another board, people have been complaining about something in the movie involving the Baroness. I'm beginning to wonder if they didn't read the Marvel Comics series, because if they had then they wouldn't have been complaining.
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I haven't seen the movie, and don't plan to until it hits dvd, but what they were complaining about wasn't her relationship with Duke but the fact she turned out to not be really evil. That's something that was long ago established in the Marvel Comics series; if not for her mistakenly believing that Snake-Eyes had killed her brother, she probably wouldn't have become bitter and ever joined Cobra in the first place, and the only reasons she has ever been loyal to Cobra are because she's in love with Destro and was under mind control for a while.
What I think is stupid, from what I read, is the movie's explanation for why Snake-Eyes doesn't talk. Vow of silence, my rear end!
If the movie is successful enough to make a sequel, and he wasn't killed off in this movie, I hope Ripcord is either left out or gets smoked. I cannot stand Marlon Wayans, and he's one of the main reasons I've decided to wait until it hits dvd to see it. Should have used Stalker or Roadblock, in my opinion, rather than changing an existing character's race.
He was uncredited I thing (or I missed the credit), but since he and Hawk were the only two wearing berets, I just kinda assumed he was Flint.
EDIT: Oop, Wikipedia credits him as Sgt. Stone.
Saw it the other night. I didn't expect it to be good, and for the most part it met my expectations. It's decent for an action movie, maybe worth watching once, but I'd never buy it on DVD, and probably decline any future offers to watch it.
Some things that really bugged me:
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- The CG was TERRIBLE. Most notably on the various jets in the movie, and in the scene where they first fly into the egypt base. Nanobot effects were not bad, but c'mon. My friend, and amateur modeler using Blender, could do better than some of these things in a matter of days, without a multi-million dollar budget.
- The romances were stupid. Especially between Ripcord and Scarlett. Not funny, not cute, not needed in the movie.
- They used a particle accelerator to weaponize the nanobot warhead? Excuse me? The worst part is that it would have been so easy to use any number of made-up ways to activate the nanobots that involved the Baroness' husband. Why would they intentionally go with an option that makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE?
- The super advanced jet responding to "Celtic" commands only was just stupid.
- Ripcord surviving and being able to paracute from what seemed to be low earth orbit was stupid and impossible. It even looked like he was going to get some super high-tech means of surviving as he was ejecting, but in the end he just ends up parachuting...
- Every interaction between Duke and the Baroness was laughably clich?. I know I shouldn't expect anything different from this type of movie, but it was really bad.
- I still can't figure out why the Baroness was married to that french guy at all, especially if she was being mind-controlled and they were just going to break into the particle accelerator and kill the guy anyway.
I...I don't know what happened.
I LIKED this movie. There's so many reasons I shouldn't have, I recognise that it's a bad movie but...I liked it. I think...maybe, hearing all the bad press about it, made it seem better? Maybe?
Oh well. Time to cleanse the slate with District 9 and the Time Travellers Wife (Hopefully. I LOVED that book, and District 9 has been a wait of mine for a looooong time)
Don't know if this was posted
http://www.superherohype.com/news/gijoenews.php?id=8605
Very funny
You know, back when I was a kid playing with the GI Joe action figures, the whole "Snake Eyes taking a vow of silence because Stormshadow killed his master" was canon. It happened like that according to the backstory in either the comics or TV cartoon back in the 1980's, so whether you liked it or not, it was based on pre-existing story line.
Turns out later that Stormshadow really didn't kill him, was chasing down the assassin who did and Snake Eyes was mistaken. Ultimately, Stormshadow turned out to be some kind of double agent - but that all happened after I graduated college. I WAS going to put that it all happened after I grew up, but I haven't grown up yet...
I actually enjoyed the movie - and I love the video game on the XBOX 360....
QuoteThe super advanced jet responding to "Celtic" commands only was just stupid.
It makes some sense. It's plausible that it's being used as a linguistic code and intended to be a form of security feature.
QuoteRipcord surviving and being able to paracute from what seemed to be low earth orbit was stupid and impossible. It even looked like he was going to get some super high-tech means of surviving as he was ejecting, but in the end he just ends up parachuting...
Well.... Anoxia is the only thing that'll really kill you there. That or getting hit by an airplane, no telling where you might glide to.
Quote from: Tyveka on August 16, 2009, 02:21:24 AM
You know, back when I was a kid playing with the GI Joe action figures, the whole "Snake Eyes taking a vow of silence because Stormshadow killed his master" was canon. It happened like that according to the backstory in either the comics or TV cartoon back in the 1980's, so whether you liked it or not, it was based on pre-existing story line.
Turns out later that Stormshadow really didn't kill him, was chasing down the assassin who did and Snake Eyes was mistaken. Ultimately, Stormshadow turned out to be some kind of double agent - but that all happened after I graduated college. I WAS going to put that it all happened after I grew up, but I haven't grown up yet...
I actually enjoyed the movie - and I love the video game on the XBOX 360....
Umm......no...not at all. Unless this happened in the British version of the comic, then I am sorry to say that you are quite mistaken. Snakes' origins were never explored in the original 'toon, so there are only two possible versions. Snake Eyes lost the ability to speak when a helicopter's fuel line exploded in his face as he was trying to rescue Scarlet. The Huey was going down, the other JOEs had jumped, but she was trapped. Instead of saving himself, he is trying to free her, and then WHAM! He walks out of the flames on the ground, carrying Scarlet, with his head "wreathed in flames." Even though he's horribly wounded, and he can't speak, he continues the mission (to save his late sister's fiance's life).
The Storm Shadow connection was thus:
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Cobra Commander, blaming Snake Eyes' family for the death of his brother (long story) hired Zartan to kill him while he was studying with Storm Shadow's ninja clan. SS and SE are practicing one day, and SS uses the "Ear that Sees" to shoot a squirrel THROUGH a stone wall. Zartan steals the arrow, and with technology replicates the ability to kill the Hard Master, who was trying to convince SE to accept control of the clan in preference to SS. Everyone things SS did it, blah, blah, blah, he joins Cobra to try and climb high enough in the ranks to figure out who ordered the hit. Eventually they figure out it was Zartan behind the bow and SS even joins the JOEs for a time.
So nope, it was never canon, and this is just another example of these people having no respect at all for the source material.
No respect for which source material?
The cartoons? The comics? Which cartoon? Which comics? Considering the different versions we have of GI Joe already... why can't GI Joe the movie be its own thing, with its own mythology?
And why is everyone assuming Ripcord and Scarlett have a romance? I really didn't pick that up as much as her just giving him an extra special thanks and glad yer' ok peck. There was no tongue or passion to the kiss, no romantic walk on the beach montage, no sex scene. The most I'd assume, is friends at this point.
RTT
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No respect for which source material?
The cartoons? The comics? Which cartoon? Which comics? Considering the different versions we have of GI Joe already... why can't GI Joe the movie be its own thing, with its own mythology?
And why is everyone assuming Ripcord and Scarlett have a romance? I really didn't pick that up as much as her just giving him an extra special thanks and glad yer' ok peck. There was no tongue or passion to the kiss, no romantic walk on the beach montage, no sex scene. The most I'd assume, is friends at this point.
RTT
If they wanted it to be its own thing, why buy the license? I know the economic reason, because it is more recognizable, but this kind of thing really frustrates me. If you don't want to actually use what the thing is based on, then don't use it at all! RTT, as for your first questions, from what I've heard, there are large elements of this film that conform to NO versions of the JOEs, neither comics nor 'toons.
And by "these people" I am, of course, referring to Hollywood in general, and not the makers of this particular movie.
But Benton, every version of the Joes HAS been different and added there own version of it. How many origins are there of Cobra Commander for instance? The whole vow of silence thing works as well as anything else does. It doesn't change the essential qualities of the character which are that he never talks, never reveals his face, and is enemies with Storm Shadow who have some kind of history. Beyond that, the exact explanation doesn't really change anything.
COBRALA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA.......
I rest my case.
I think y'all are overestimating the differences between the iterations. If you exclude the British Action Force version (which no-one outside of Britain has ever paid attention to anyway), there are exactly two different origins for Cobra Commander (comics and cartoon movie), and precisely one origin for Snake Eyes (comics). Other versions have either accepted one of those two or ignored the question altogether. I'd argue that it changes the core of the character quite a bit. His origin in the comics is a moment of selfless sacrifice and haunted him throughout the rest of his life. There is a moment down the line when SS slashes him across the face (after reconstructive surgery) and he just plain loses it. It was also this great link, but also this profound divide between him and Scarlett. He loved her, but he didn't want to risk that she just felt sorry for him, or felt like she owed him something. That depth and texture is lost with an explanation like "vow of silence."
It seems to me that the argument of "well, there are already different interpretations" is fairly weak. There are, really, only two. The comic and the toon. Everything else has followed the pattern of one or the other. Also, it ignores the fact that the comic is worlds better, and has all of the good points of the toon, with none of the bad points.
Does anyone remember Exo-Squad? Because the last thing I remember from GI Joe and I think this was around Valor vs Venom etc was that both sides had E-Frames like exosquad. So remind me which came first? the Toys? the 30 minute commercial to sell the toys? or the comic book?
New things? This is apparently the only iteration to reveal Cobra's "real" name.
I have to disagree on the comics always following the same take. One version had Cobra start his career as Cobra Commander by trying to kill Snake Eyes, in the other the two were PARTNERS until Cobra Commander decided to go too far. In both version he becomes Cobra commander because of the death of his brother, and he finances it with elaborate scams. But in one his brother died because of heavy drinking brought on by PTSD, in the second the drinking was caused by losing his livelihood due to arson. Oddly in both versions the drnking caused him to die in a car accident that also killed Snake Eyes' family.
But this is a completely new take, I can't say I hate it though. At least it's better than the version with him as a snak-man.
What? Are you talking about GI JOE Reborn? That's an entirely different animal. That's like talking about Marvel 616 and Ultimate Marvel, or better yet, like talking about standard DC and Elseworlds tales.
No Benton, he is not talking about GI Joe Reloaded. That was an entirely different origin than the original Marvel comics origin or the cartoon origin.
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No Benton, he is not talking about GI Joe Reloaded. That was an entirely different origin than the original Marvel comics origin or the cartoon origin.
Where from? Action Force?
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Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on August 17, 2009, 04:02:32 AM
No Benton, he is not talking about GI Joe Reloaded. That was an entirely different origin than the original Marvel comics origin or the cartoon origin.
Where from? Action Force?
After the Marvel run on the series came the run done by the relatively independent press called "Devil's Due Publishing". They were the same people who did the GI JOE RELOADED series but they started out doing just a basic reboot of the Marvel stuff. I have about a dozen or so of those issues (use to have a bunch of the Marvel but let's not go there) and all of the RELOADED titles save one.
The "official" Hasbro reboot of the character dated back to 2002.
There have been several versions of Cobra Commander's origin and some of those done by the same people.
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on August 17, 2009, 11:47:49 PM
After the Marvel run on the series came the run done by the relatively independent press called "Devil's Due Publishing". They were the same people who did the GI JOE RELOADED series but they started out doing just a basic reboot of the Marvel stuff. I have about a dozen or so of those issues (use to have a bunch of the Marvel but let's not go there) and all of the RELOADED titles save one.
The "official" Hasbro reboot of the character dated back to 2002.
There have been several versions of Cobra Commander's origin and some of those done by the same people.
I have all of those issues, and there isn't any substantial difference in their telling in relation to the original (other than Reloaded). They blend a few elements from the toon into the mix, but it is still holding onto the original continuity. They didn't reboot, but instead picked up the thread "a few years" after the team was decommissioned at the end of the original series. The entire bit with Destro's son was given that very context, with the JOEs rounding up retired or inactive members of the roster. As far as Cobra Commander goes, I am only aware of the two origins. Now, admittedly I only own about 2/3rds or 3/4ths of the original comics, but I don't recall ever reading any but the original origin recounted by Billy.
So in which Cobra Commander orgin is he and the Baroness brother and sister?
I'm not saying that I agree with The Baroness and Cobra Commander being brother and sister.
One of my few complaints with the movie (which I for the most part enjoyed) is that I felt like they tried to tie Cobra Commander into too many characters.
Personally, I much prefer the origin established in GI Joe Reloaded where he doesn't have history with any of the Joes or with the Cobra organization apart from bringing them together.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on August 19, 2009, 12:33:43 AMSo in which Cobra Commander orgin is he and the Baroness brother and sister?
I think that's the movie version.
Okay, I'll be honest. MAYBE I've judged the movie too harshly(definitely didn't judge the video game harshly at all, I've burned copies of it already). Unfortunately, I'm afraid to watch it again in fears I'll be disgusted all over again. I mean, Hama's stuff was sound. Not just sound, but really good, really entertaining and even with the fastballs thrown at him by Hasbro, it has held up well in science fiction and military/personal suspense and drama. Hell, even if they wanted to redo GI Joe the Movie as a live-action version, wouldn't have been as bad as some of the stuff they did in this movie. Baroness ditching Cobra, evil and all-around bad@$$ery just to be some wholesome blonde that's enagaged and deeply in-love(still) with Duke? I completely enjoyed them taking a dive into the histories of Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow, but why they have to add some ridiculious vow of silence? Why could they just leave the "He doesn't speak... Why? He doesn't say" line alone. That would have been good enough. Heck, he didn't even speak when he was littler. And why the hell couldn't they give Cobra Commander a better look? He looked rather... ridiculious... if at all uncomfortable. Yeah, I know some stuff can be nit-picky, but some of the stuff they did was just unnecessary, uncalled for and rather insulting.
Shogunn, it is against board policy to talk about or advocate piracy. Whether the game is any good or not, it isn't a good idea to talk about burning it.
No, I'm not talking piracy. I'm talking about buying the game and lighting as many copies as I can buy on fire to prevent any wayward gamers from having a Gamefly commercial moment.
Hahaha.
I'm sorry, in a world with Socom, Full Spectrum Warrior, Metal Gear, Call of Duty, Halo and a buttload of Tom Clancy games, what they did was simply disgraceful.
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Where from? Action Force?
action force if i remember right only changed the joes cobra stayed the same
Well, one of the weirder aspects is that the histories of the two groups are somewhat intertwined.
So what you guys are saying is I should go see this? *ducks*
Yes, just remember not to expect to to be uber-amazing.